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<v Speaker 1>In twenty thirteen, a Florida couple was arguing in their home.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't out of the ordinary, In fact, it was

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<v Speaker 1>rather common for their relationship. However, things took a turn

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<v Speaker 1>for the worse when one pulled out a gun and

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<v Speaker 1>shot their partner dead. Then, for whatever reason, they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to post pictures of their body on Facebook, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they walked into the police station to turn themselves in.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the cold story of Derek Medina and the

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<v Speaker 1>murder of Jennifer Alfonso.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked

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<v Speaker 2>and Grim.

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<v Speaker 3>A true crime podcast. The following.

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<v Speaker 1>Your audience.

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<v Speaker 3>Rush happy end of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>It is Friday, or if you're listening to this on

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<v Speaker 1>the day it's posted, it's Friday, which means the weekend's

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<v Speaker 1>just a few hours away.

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<v Speaker 2>Or a lot of people might listen on the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>You know exactly we posted this. It's almost the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's the weekend while you're listening, just celebrate that weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Take that extra little relaxing time you deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you do, you know, working for ourselves, though I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even really know what a weekend is anymore. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to change that because like, my busy time is

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<v Speaker 2>usually the weekend. Like SAT people are like, oh, have

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<v Speaker 2>a good weekend, But that's usually when I'm like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>going hard here.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're working on the weekend, you can still say

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<v Speaker 1>have a good weekend. A weekend is like a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, but it's not necessarily a weekend where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you get to rest a break. Yeah, have your little

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<v Speaker 2>break and all that jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, but you can still have a good weekend

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<v Speaker 1>whether you're busy or working or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Touche touche. But I'd like to have a weekend where

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<v Speaker 2>it's actually resting.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you were going to be booking yourself a week

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<v Speaker 1>off here soon. Maybe make sure that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>an effect and you're actually going to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe that will happen. We'll see. Maybe we'll keep

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<v Speaker 2>you updated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen for a while, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm rooting for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just say that, Hey, it's as happen next week.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen in March. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, Yeah, Well this is a concept we've covered

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before where someone has done something and

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<v Speaker 1>then posted explicit photos of a violent act onto social media,

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<v Speaker 1>And in all honesty, I think in today's age, where

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<v Speaker 1>social media is so ingrained into our society, we may

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<v Speaker 1>see this happen more and more.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very odd though it is, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I do have high hopes because I mean a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are against AI for many reasons, and I

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<v Speaker 1>totally get it, but I do have high hopes that

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<v Speaker 1>AI may actually be able to block these things from

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<v Speaker 1>being seen as soon as they're uploaded.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean AI can be used for so many things,

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<v Speaker 2>and I sometimes think we're using it for the things

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<v Speaker 2>we should.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do think that we are just in the

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<v Speaker 1>tip of the iceberg when it comes to AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Very true, so very true. I just saw something online

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<v Speaker 2>though about it like potentially being able to predict breast

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<v Speaker 2>cancer or certain cancers and stuff, and I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be amazing. That could save a lot of lives.

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<v Speaker 3>That would honestly, we should get into this though. Are

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<v Speaker 3>you ready?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is as I mentioned the story of Derek

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<v Speaker 1>Medina and the murder of Jennifer Alfonso. This story has

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<v Speaker 1>also been dubbed the face book Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>The Facebook Killer.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, in a little bit of a Google search, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not the only quote unquote Facebook killer story, but

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<v Speaker 1>this story has been given that title along with a

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<v Speaker 1>few others. Now, Derek Medina came into the world back

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty two, right in the heart of Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>He finished up high school at Coral Gables in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one. Now, if there's one thing you could

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<v Speaker 1>say about Derek, it's that this guy couldn't really seem

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<v Speaker 1>to pick a lane. He dabbled in just about everything.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his proudest claims was that he was an

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<v Speaker 1>undefeated amateur boxer, supposedly racking up twenty five wins with

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<v Speaker 1>zero losses. Now, that's honestly a very impressive record, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's also just according to him. Okay, Yeah, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I could find, there was no backup, nothing, no

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<v Speaker 1>information to back up this claim.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, Yes, okay, I mean, you can make up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of shit if you wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>You can.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been to space, was I've an astronaut.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been to the International Space Station, stayed there

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<v Speaker 1>for three days and it came back down right on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that must have been quite an adventure.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>It lasted only eight hours because it was a dream

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<v Speaker 1>that I had the other night. But I digress. So

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<v Speaker 1>now here's the thing though about Derek. He wasn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>shy about putting himself out there, and to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like probably also his downfall.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, as far as I can tell, there wasn't that

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<v Speaker 1>boxing record, But whether it was actually knocking people out

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<v Speaker 1>in the ring as he so claimed, or maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was shooting hoops or trying his hand at golf. Derek

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<v Speaker 1>saw himself as a guy that was destined for greatness

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<v Speaker 1>at something. Writing was just another one of those things,

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<v Speaker 1>one of his many hobbies, and he went on to

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<v Speaker 1>publish a bunch of self published books. Now what kind

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<v Speaker 1>of books.

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<v Speaker 3>Did he write.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's just let's just say that writing and editing

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff it was not his strong suit.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He seemed to think that the key to writing a

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<v Speaker 1>best selling novel was apparently cramming as many words as

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<v Speaker 1>he could onto the title of a book as he

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<v Speaker 1>possibly could.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of the title itself, means.

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<v Speaker 3>Into the title of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so this is the title of one of his

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<v Speaker 1>books that he wrote quote, how a judgmental, unselfish attitude

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<v Speaker 1>is destroying the world we live in because the world

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<v Speaker 1>is vanishing beneath our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy okay, I've never heard of anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he also wrote quote humans who are gifted and

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<v Speaker 1>can see the supernatural spirit ghost world we live in

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<v Speaker 1>called ghost haunted adventures.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's also quote how I saved someone's life, on marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>on family problems, true communication, attention, world, save yourself, and

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<v Speaker 1>if the world ended today, how would you react to

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<v Speaker 1>saving the world or helping the world or would it

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<v Speaker 1>be all over for you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that one book?

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<v Speaker 3>That was one book?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Because for some reason I thought there was a

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<v Speaker 2>numerous in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I listed three books in totally Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But that last one, I'm like, that seems like that's

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<v Speaker 2>too many topics.

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<v Speaker 1>For one book that is a singular book title.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, but I also do have to say that I

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<v Speaker 2>love Cake like the confidence because sometimes confidence is key

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<v Speaker 2>to success, right, and he isn't lacking that. How he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I am going to be great at something

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, he's whatever. You said like that, I do

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>That is true.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, ignorance is bliss, as they say, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was very ignorant to his lack of writing skills, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was certainly confident that he was going to do

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<v Speaker 1>it regardless.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do something and do something great. So I'm true

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<v Speaker 2>right now, I almost feel like I'm rooting for him,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'll be changing my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>You most certainly will. But I mean, yeah, props to

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<v Speaker 1>him for going out there and doing his best at

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things. Hey, fly at it, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, he didn't do the greatest.

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<v Speaker 3>Put it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>But no matter what he was chasing, whether it was boxing, writing,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever, new obsessions popped into his head all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>it all seemed to and it all seemed to boil

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<v Speaker 1>down to one thing. He wanted to be famous. He

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<v Speaker 1>even took a crack at acting, managing to land a

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<v Speaker 1>few tiny like background roles on TV one where he

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<v Speaker 1>even had like a one one word line.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, and he probably thought that was just the

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<v Speaker 2>best shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, basically, he basically just was in enough to say

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<v Speaker 1>he was technically on television. Okay, But for all his hobbies,

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<v Speaker 1>his self published books, his dreams of stardom. Derek did

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<v Speaker 1>eventually become famous, just not in the way he was hoping.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of landing in the spotlight for his quote unquote talents,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say he secured a place in history as a

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<v Speaker 1>full blown grade a piece of shit murderer. So congrats, Derek,

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<v Speaker 1>you made it. I just want to say that, But

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<v Speaker 1>I am getting ahead of myself, so I digress.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not making it. No, No, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>like not in a good way.

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<v Speaker 3>No, But he accomplished his goal technically.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, yeah, you could say that. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while, Derek tried his hand at a more

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<v Speaker 1>regular job too. He worked as a property manager, though

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't seem to hold down a gig for long,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, much longer than a few months at best.

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<v Speaker 1>And no surprise there with his what seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>like ADHD bouncing back and forth. Right now, At some point,

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<v Speaker 1>Derek did cross paths with Jennifer Alfonso. Jennifer had her

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<v Speaker 1>own challenges growing up. She attended South Dade High for

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<v Speaker 1>a bit, but after having a baby girl as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 1>she ended up leaving school. Later, she managed to go

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<v Speaker 1>and earn her ged and by two thousand and nine

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<v Speaker 1>was working as a waitress at a Denny's over on

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<v Speaker 1>Bird Road near eighty seventh Avenue. That's where Derek came

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<v Speaker 1>into the picture. He was a regular at the restaurant

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<v Speaker 1>and the two hit it off. Derek was twenty six

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<v Speaker 1>at the time and Jennifer was twenty one, and it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't take long before the tour a officially a couple

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<v Speaker 1>after just a few months of dating. They got married

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<v Speaker 1>in January of twenty ten, just a couple months of

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<v Speaker 1>dating and they were officially tying that nongl They knew, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>they knew now. At first, things looked pretty good. From

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<v Speaker 1>the outside. Derek, Jennifer and Jennifer's young daughter Isabella.

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<v Speaker 3>Played you know all. It was all just a big,

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<v Speaker 3>happy family.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a played out picture that we all see

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<v Speaker 1>in our heads, a cinematic thing, you know, a happily

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<v Speaker 1>ever after moment, and they made it all work. But

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, the not so picture perfect was the reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Their relationship was rocky. To put it mildly. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>there were fights, breakups, and Derek reportedly kicked Jennifer out

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<v Speaker 1>of the house more than once. One of her coworkers

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<v Speaker 1>even remembered her showing up to shifts with fresh bruises.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. They ended up getting a divorce in February of

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<v Speaker 3>Two years later.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was hardly the end though. Just four

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<v Speaker 1>months after the divorce, they were back together and remarried

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>By May, Jennifer had officially moved into Derek's two bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer seemed hopeful about their fresh start. In a journal

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<v Speaker 1>she was keeping, she wrote about moving in to what

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<v Speaker 1>she described as a beautiful new home. But she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>just write about the townhouse. She poured all kinds of

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<v Speaker 3>Now, she gave this journal.

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<v Speaker 1>A pretty telling title, one that wasn't nearly as long

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<v Speaker 1>as many of Derek's books. In fact, it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good title, The Mind of an Insane Woman. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>Just say.

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't have laughed at that, but it was just

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<v Speaker 2>that little dig at his book titles was good.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, I didn't even write that down. I just off

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<v Speaker 1>One passage summed up things pretty pretty clearly. In her journal,

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<v Speaker 1>she wrote quote, when we love each other, it's great.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we hate each other, we hate each other.

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<v Speaker 1>In another entry, she admitted on her own struggles with jealousy,

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<v Speaker 1>writing quote, I became uncontrollably jealous, like want to murder

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<v Speaker 2>Who Okay, Well, yeah, it definitely sounds like their relationship

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's almost like a magnet situation. When you

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<v Speaker 1>get the poles correct on a magnet. You know they attract,

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<v Speaker 1>but you flip those magnets around, all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 1>they're pushing apart. And I think it's just these poles

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<v Speaker 1>switching constantly and it's this push pull between the two

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I also feel like passionate relationships are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like that too, where it's like it's so good,

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<v Speaker 2>but then it can be so low too, Like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, haven't you heard that about passionate relationships sometimes? Right? Definitely, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's kind of stressful though.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean like the other day when you made me cookies,

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<v Speaker 1>that was so good, but then when you made me

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<v Speaker 1>walk the dogs out, I was like, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to, so I get you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I made a batch of cookies and they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even really last the night, so they were delicious.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, one thing Derek and Jennifer definitely had in common

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<v Speaker 1>was their fascination with all things weird, ghosts, the supernatural,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it. They'd even go ghost on ghost hunting

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<v Speaker 1>trips together, chasing down spooky stories and unexplained bump in

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<v Speaker 1>the night sort of situations. Jennifer wrote about some of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff in her journal too, including her belief in

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<v Speaker 1>zombies and her anxiety about a possible zombie apocalypse. One day,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they moved into their southern Miami townhouse, Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>became convinced that their place was haunted as well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually set up cameras inside their home, hoping to

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<v Speaker 1>catch some of this evidence of ghostly visitors and such,

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<v Speaker 1>but those cameras would later play a key role in

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<v Speaker 1>this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Jennifer's brother David Alfonso, a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>interests were sparked or at least encouraged by Derek. David

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<v Speaker 1>had a few others who knew Derek, and they saw

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<v Speaker 1>him as a pretty pretty bizarre guy. He was always online,

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<v Speaker 1>constantly posting to social media, often sharing stuff that left

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<v Speaker 1>people kind of scratching their heads. Most people knew who

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<v Speaker 1>he was, but at the very least they also knew

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<v Speaker 1>he was an odd ball. But Derek, he wasn't just quirky.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a darker side to him too, one that

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<v Speaker 1>showed up in Jennifer's journal. She wrote about both of

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<v Speaker 1>their short tempers, but Derek's it could especially get nasty.

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<v Speaker 1>One time, they were at a concert in West Palm Beach,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mayhem Festival, which is apparently a metal music festival,

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<v Speaker 1>and some guy accidentally spilt a beer on Jennifer. Most

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<v Speaker 1>people would you brush it off, apologize or like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>watch yourself, whatever, right, maybe even curse a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>and move on.

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<v Speaker 3>But not Derek. In this situation, he pulled a gun

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<v Speaker 3>on the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, I can't. He probably shouldn't even have that gun

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<v Speaker 2>in there. No imagine their security, no kidding him, How

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<v Speaker 2>the hell did he get it in?

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<v Speaker 3>No idea, no.

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<v Speaker 1>One around them, no one in the park. Your group

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<v Speaker 1>of friends that went had any idea, idea that Derek

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<v Speaker 1>even had this guy who was carrying at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>So it completely shocked everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>No shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, luckily, no one got hurt and the situation didn't

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<v Speaker 1>spiral out of control, but it was a clear sign

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<v Speaker 1>Derek was always riding at that edge. Even with all

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<v Speaker 1>the drama, it seemed like Derek and Jennifer did have

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<v Speaker 1>love for each other, though they just couldn't keep things steady.

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<v Speaker 1>The relationship swung back and forth between passion and pure chaos.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's friends were worried, and they had every right to be.

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<v Speaker 1>They tell her straight up, quote, we think Derek's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>He might kill you one day, and I mean, Jennifer

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of laughed it off.

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness for a friend to be saying that, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't feel like that would come easy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, definitely not.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that friend most likely was was thinking on

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<v Speaker 1>how to approach this accordingly right and clearly concerned for

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer's safety, but she never really thought anything of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>On the night of August seventh, twenty thirteen, Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 1>Derek were supposed to have a date night, but Derek

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<v Speaker 1>being Derek, he overslept and never bothered to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>his wife or.

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<v Speaker 3>His stepdaughter either.

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<v Speaker 1>Jennifer was furious, and the next morning the argument kicked

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<v Speaker 1>off almost as soon as they were both awake. In

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of their fight, Jennifer messaged her friend on Facebook.

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<v Speaker 1>She vented about Derek and how he was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>wake her up the night before and how pissed she was.

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<v Speaker 1>She described the tension between them, the frustration, the resentment,

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<v Speaker 1>but there was no mention of anything getting physical at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. After a little back and forth, her and

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<v Speaker 1>her friend tried. Her friend sorry, tried to calm her down,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jennifer actually thanked them for helping her feel better.

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<v Speaker 1>That calm, though, didn't last long.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Morning, the fight escalated further. Jennifer started throwing whatever was

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<v Speaker 1>nearby at Derek. I mean, nothing dangerous, just random stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like mascaratubes, some boxes and towels. Now you want to

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<v Speaker 1>say throwing things that someone isn't exactly Okay, let's be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>let's be real. But these were hardly deadly weapons, right, so, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that is physical violence. Don't be doing that, but also

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<v Speaker 1>don't escalate beyond that either, and Derek, well, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>having it. Instead of walking away or cooling off, he

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<v Speaker 1>stormed into the bedroom, opened up the closet, and grabbed

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<v Speaker 1>his gun. Oh okay, he came back gun in hand,

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<v Speaker 1>and things took a much darker turn. Now, what exactly

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<v Speaker 1>happened next depends a bit on who you ask and

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<v Speaker 1>what the I guess what side you are in the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>let's put it that way, but the general version goes

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<v Speaker 1>something like this. Derek pointed the gun at Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 1>threatened to shoot her if she didn't cut it out

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<v Speaker 1>and stopped throwing things at him. Now, Jennifer stopped, and

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<v Speaker 1>she told him she was done, that she was leaving

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<v Speaker 1>for good. She was done period.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if your partner pulls a gun on you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably should be done. I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that too.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, I won't be here when you get

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<v Speaker 1>back home later. Now, after that, she had a downstairs

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<v Speaker 1>to the kitchen, probably gonna make breakfast for her ten

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<v Speaker 1>year old daughter, Isabella, who was still upstairs. Derek wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>done though, He put the gun away, but at around

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<v Speaker 1>ten am, the home surveillance camera caught parts of what

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<v Speaker 1>happened next. Derek went back into the bedroom, back to

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<v Speaker 1>the closet and pulled the gun out again. Then, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of staying, you know, right there, he followed Jennifer downstairs

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<v Speaker 1>into the kitchen, gun in hand, ready to pick a

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<v Speaker 1>fight again. What happens next comes straight from Derek's own

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<v Speaker 1>statement to police. According to him, Jennifer grabbed a knife

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<v Speaker 3>That's a quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes down to the kitchen with a gun

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<v Speaker 1>pointed out her again and Jennifer grabs a knife to

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<v Speaker 1>defend herself, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>He claimed.

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<v Speaker 1>He managed to wrestle the knife away from her, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when, according to Derek, she started hitting him in

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<v Speaker 1>the chest and in the arm, punching him. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Derek pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>And her daughter is literally upstairs or wherever is in

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<v Speaker 2>the home.

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<v Speaker 3>She's upstairs in the home. Yet.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem though, when Derek pulled that trigger, he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled the trigger more than once. He emptied the entire

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<v Speaker 1>magazine into Jennifer, eight shots in total, leaving Jennifer with

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one entry and exit wounds, and by his own admission,

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<v Speaker 1>every single bullet hit its mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy I was not expecting that. Yeah, that is some

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<v Speaker 2>serious rage. Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Minutes later, Derek stood over her body and snapped a photo.

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<v Speaker 2>What the shit is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Then, as if it was just another day, he went upstairs,

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<v Speaker 1>told his stepdaughter not to come down stairs.

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<v Speaker 3>He got dressed.

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<v Speaker 2>She's probably already fucking terrified.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably.

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<v Speaker 1>He walked to the front door, and before leaving, took

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<v Speaker 1>another last look at Jennifer's lifeless body laying in the

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm just like left the home and left the home. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, at exactly eleven eleven am, Derek posted to his

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page with the message that read, so this is

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<v Speaker 1>the following caption that accompanied that photo quote, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to prison or death sentence for killing my wife. Love

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, miss you guys. Take care of Facebook people.

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<v Speaker 1>You will see me in the news. My wife was

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<v Speaker 1>punching me and I'm not going to stand anymore with

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<v Speaker 1>the abuse. So I did what I did. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>you understand me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really think anyone can fully understand that they

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<v Speaker 2>should have just left each other like no, no, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's so much easier than done.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, It's way easier said than done.

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<v Speaker 2>But but he was done with it then just like leave.

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00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:12.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess right, exactly, you don't have to kill someone.

435
00:21:12.680 --> 00:21:13.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, put it that way.

436
00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Empty, Uh, all the bullets and a gun kill someone

437
00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:19.559
<v Speaker 2>right when the kid is upstairs?

438
00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:20.599
<v Speaker 3>Exactly. Now.

439
00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:26.559
<v Speaker 1>He even said she pulled the knife in defence. He

440
00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:29.720
<v Speaker 1>brought the gun to her first, he admits that.

441
00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so he yeah, he literally just like dug

442
00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:35.559
<v Speaker 2>himself a grave there.

443
00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

444
00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.839
<v Speaker 1>So, not only he wasn't trying to hide, he wasn't

445
00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:41.160
<v Speaker 1>trying to defend himself. He wasn't trying to get out

446
00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:46.079
<v Speaker 1>of a situation. He was following her and pursuing a

447
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>situation with a weapon in hand. That is the key

448
00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:54.200
<v Speaker 1>difference between someone in a toxic situation and can't get

449
00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.799
<v Speaker 1>out and him doing what he did.

450
00:21:57.880 --> 00:21:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Let's put it that way.

451
00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, she was clearly the one in the toxic situation.

452
00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:02.720
<v Speaker 3>I agree.

453
00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:07.039
<v Speaker 2>And also she must not have like, I don't I

454
00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.559
<v Speaker 2>bet anything. She didn't believe that he would actually pull

455
00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:10.319
<v Speaker 2>the trigger on her.

456
00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:14.000
<v Speaker 1>No, and I do think that. I mean, hey, I'm

457
00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.079
<v Speaker 1>not saying she wasn't toxic either, because she very well

458
00:22:17.119 --> 00:22:21.160
<v Speaker 1>could have been. I mean, clearly she was throwing stuff

459
00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:22.759
<v Speaker 1>at him right like that in itself.

460
00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:25.000
<v Speaker 2>That's not not totally innocent kind of thing.

461
00:22:25.119 --> 00:22:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, But it doesn't mean that any of this is okay,

462
00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, like you can't fucking pull a gun on

463
00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:35.279
<v Speaker 1>someone and chase them, which is exactly what he did.

464
00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Not innocent, but not deserving whatsoever.

465
00:22:39.759 --> 00:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>Now, as if this wasn't horrifying enough, though, this caption

466
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.400
<v Speaker 1>that he put on Facebook. The photo following was her,

467
00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.519
<v Speaker 1>her dead body sprawled on the floor, with the caption

468
00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>rip Jennifer Alfonso.

469
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<v Speaker 2>What is he thinking now?

470
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<v Speaker 1>At the time, Derek worked as a front desk supervisor

471
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<v Speaker 1>at an apartment complex, and before turning himself in, he

472
00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:04.039
<v Speaker 1>actually called two of his coworkers to let them know

473
00:23:04.119 --> 00:23:06.839
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't be coming in the reason, of course, you

474
00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:09.599
<v Speaker 1>know we as we know he told them because you know,

475
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.079
<v Speaker 1>he just shot and killed his wife.

476
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine getting that call? Yeah, I don't think

477
00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I would believe.

478
00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:17.200
<v Speaker 3>It, I know.

479
00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:21.119
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after, Derek and his father walked into South Miami

480
00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Police station, where Derek turned himself into authorities.

481
00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Just like that, Just like that.

482
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Officers of course rushed to the townhouse to the scene

483
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.680
<v Speaker 1>where the murder took place, and there they found Jennifer's

484
00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:41.440
<v Speaker 1>body right where Derek had left her. And even worse,

485
00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:44.279
<v Speaker 1>her ten year old daughter was still upstairs in the

486
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:46.440
<v Speaker 1>home alone with her mother.

487
00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Murdered, and she didn't know she like stayed upstairs. I'm

488
00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>imagining or who knows.

489
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:55.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm unaware. I couldn't really find much detail on the

490
00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.359
<v Speaker 3>daughter and her situation.

491
00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so sad.

492
00:23:59.000 --> 00:23:59.119
<v Speaker 3>Now.

493
00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.319
<v Speaker 1>During Derek's entar, detectives asked him about any injuries he

494
00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:05.640
<v Speaker 1>might have gotten during the so called fight with Jennifer.

495
00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>He talked about bruises, said his temple was in serious pain,

496
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and even claimed he was worried she might have hit

497
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:16.920
<v Speaker 1>him hard enough to cause life threatening damage. Cops weren't

498
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>buying it. No fair enough, especially when Derek claims his

499
00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:29.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty five and oh professional, Well, I guess amateur boxing.

500
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:34.519
<v Speaker 2>Record, right, Okay, I forgot about that. She wouldn't have

501
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>stood his change against him?

502
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:40.400
<v Speaker 1>He No, she shouldn't have. Yeah, theoretically she shouldn't have.

503
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Jennifer was smaller, not as strong as Derek would have been,

504
00:24:46.720 --> 00:24:48.559
<v Speaker 1>and definitely would not have been a match for him

505
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:52.559
<v Speaker 1>physically if he was a trained boxer. Now I have

506
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:57.640
<v Speaker 1>found some other stuff regarding Derek and his fighting abilities. Reportedly,

507
00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.839
<v Speaker 1>he walked into a martial arts studio at one time.

508
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.200
<v Speaker 1>I believe it was a mixed martial arts studio claiming

509
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:05.079
<v Speaker 1>to have you know, some like martial arts skills and

510
00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff and was like training for the day or something.

511
00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:10.160
<v Speaker 1>And the guy heading the gym, I don't know if

512
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.559
<v Speaker 1>you want to call him a sense a trainer, whatever

513
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:14.839
<v Speaker 1>he was, I'm not not exactly sure, but so we'll

514
00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:17.599
<v Speaker 1>just say the guy heading the gym, he went out

515
00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:19.599
<v Speaker 1>to give some pointers to Derek, like, you know, like

516
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>your techniques a little bit sloppy, you don't do this this.

517
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Derek was pissed and challenged the guy to a fight.

518
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>The guy kicked his ass and kicked him out of

519
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the gym.

520
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow, this just sounds like a complete idiot.

521
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Hey, he really is. So I personally have very serious

522
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:44.440
<v Speaker 1>doubt about his training as a boxer. I'm sure maybe

523
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>he's gone to a boxing gym, taking some boxing classes,

524
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:48.759
<v Speaker 1>even for a couple of years, but I don't imagine

525
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.720
<v Speaker 1>it's very extensive, right, let's put it that way. Still, though,

526
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:57.839
<v Speaker 1>that can come in handy in a fight, one, especially

527
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.759
<v Speaker 1>against a smaller opponent like Jennifer or would have been.

528
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.240
<v Speaker 1>So this idea that she was some kind of serious

529
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:09.079
<v Speaker 1>threat to him in a physical alter physical altercation did

530
00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 1>not add up to police. And if he was so

531
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>concerned about his life, why didn't he call nine on

532
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:14.559
<v Speaker 1>one right.

533
00:26:14.400 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Away or go to the hospital or something exactly.

534
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:19.880
<v Speaker 1>Now, when they asked him this, you know, why didn't

535
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you call nine one one, his response was, quote, because

536
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:28.039
<v Speaker 1>I figured we had to solve it on our end, basically,

537
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.799
<v Speaker 1>in other words, no cops, no outside help, just him

538
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:32.279
<v Speaker 1>handling like that.

539
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.240
<v Speaker 2>They had to handle, oh, like him and his wife.

540
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:36.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they had to solve it on their own.

541
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 2>And so him solving and is murdering her apparently. Gosh, yeah,

542
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is just so much like other stories

543
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:45.279
<v Speaker 2>you hear too.

544
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 1>It's just brutal, it is, and it's so fucking sad

545
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:52.319
<v Speaker 1>that people getting these situations with the toxic individual like.

546
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.960
<v Speaker 3>That, and it's there's no escape.

547
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

548
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, Derek was arrested and charged with first degree murder,

549
00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.599
<v Speaker 1>and when it came time for his trial, things got

550
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:05.759
<v Speaker 1>a little weird. As if Derek wasn't weird enough, during

551
00:27:05.799 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 1>one of one of the hearings, he actually had to

552
00:27:08.279 --> 00:27:12.680
<v Speaker 1>be removed from the courtroom after multiple outbursts, and by

553
00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>then he was sporting a full on Charles Manson look, long,

554
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>scraggly haired wild beard, the whole thing, and at one

555
00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>point he even got kicked. He got himself kicked out,

556
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.240
<v Speaker 1>like entirely when he started yelling his testimony at the judge,

557
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:27.440
<v Speaker 1>completely unprompted.

558
00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 3>The judge is just.

559
00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Like stop it, stop it, like shut up, I'm going

560
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 1>to remove you. Andy.

561
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Derek didn't carry He just keeps fucking going.

562
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, really disrespectful. Exactly is he trying to make it

563
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:42.400
<v Speaker 2>seem like he has mental health or issues of sorts.

564
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>I think he definitely does have mental health issues of

565
00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>sorts that way.

566
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.039
<v Speaker 2>In the way that you're not going to get, you know,

567
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>convicted to the full extent.

568
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Or he very well might have been. That might have

569
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>been a ploy he was trying to put into play.

570
00:27:57.720 --> 00:27:59.519
<v Speaker 1>But he just made himself look like an idiot, let's

571
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>put that way. So the defense tried to paint Derek

572
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 1>as a victim in the situation, the poor battered husband

573
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:08.519
<v Speaker 1>pushed to the edge by an abusive, violent wife. According

574
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.799
<v Speaker 1>to them, Jennifer was the aggressor, both physically and emotionally.

575
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 1>They claimed she would torment him, insult him, and even

576
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>mock him by calling him quote the woman in the relationship. Eventually,

577
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 1>they said, Derek just snapped. Now, I'm not a lawyer,

578
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>let's put it that way. I'm definitely not a lawyer.

579
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 1>But when you shoot your spouse eight times then post

580
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>pictures their body on Facebook, that's not exactly the strongest

581
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>self defense claim I've ever heard.

582
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:39.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, I guess they had to come up

583
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 2>with something too.

584
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Che So it really was, though, those Facebook posts that

585
00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 1>took this from a tragic domestic incident to something far

586
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>darker and far more public, because it was completely unnecessary

587
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 1>to do something like that. Critics called it the ultimate

588
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.880
<v Speaker 1>symptom of a society obsessed with social media fame, and

589
00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.920
<v Speaker 1>as we know, Derek very much so was pursuing that

590
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>that fame.

591
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 3>Right.

592
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 2>He wanted his name to be known and.

593
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Remembered exactly, so he did two posts to Facebook. I

594
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 1>believe I kind of like mixed it up a little

595
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>bit when I originally said it. I said he'd put

596
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the first post with the picture. Yeah, it was the

597
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.240
<v Speaker 1>first post where he did that big like I killed

598
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>my wife, Okay, and then it was a picture with

599
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>the rip.

600
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh, so like the first post didn't have a picture.

601
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.319
<v Speaker 1>No, so that's that's my mistake from earlier. The first

602
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:32.279
<v Speaker 1>post didn't have a picture. Then he posted the picture

603
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:33.160
<v Speaker 1>with the caption rip.

604
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>It's still completely fucked up because loved ones and friends

605
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:43.319
<v Speaker 2>and stuff are learning about this through that. Exactly, you're

606
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>opening your Facebook to that.

607
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, and I don't know if I've actually wrote it

608
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>in the script. I don't think I did. The reason

609
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.960
<v Speaker 1>why he claims he did post to oh, I do

610
00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 1>have it here, it's like the next sentence. The reason

611
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 1>why he claimed he was posting those photos to Facebook

612
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 1>was his way of notifying Jennifer's family about her death.

613
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.440
<v Speaker 3>That's what he claimed it was. And I'm sure they

614
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.200
<v Speaker 3>appreciated that thoughtful gesture.

615
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>That's terrible, but asked.

616
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 1>After posting, what was his next next step? Calling into

617
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:17.039
<v Speaker 1>work was an interesting He called two co workers, two

618
00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>coworkers to tell them, yeah, I killed my wife from

619
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>not coming into work.

620
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.880
<v Speaker 2>So he was I feel like he was enjoying these

621
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:26.119
<v Speaker 2>reactions right one hundred percent. YEA.

622
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 1>Now, when he turned himself into authorities, he was accompanied

623
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 1>by his father as well, which means he went and

624
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>got another person roped into this story. He's enjoying the

625
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>attention one hundred and ten percent.

626
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 2>That is so messed up to be enjoying that sort

627
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:40.960
<v Speaker 2>of attention.

628
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I full heartedly agree with these critics calling

629
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 1>it the ultimate symptom of a society obsessed with social

630
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.799
<v Speaker 1>media fame, because that's exactly what he was chasing. So

631
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution, on the other hand, had a much simpler theory.

632
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Derek's ego couldn't handle losing. When Jennifer threatened to leave him,

633
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 1>it was too much for him to take. He reacted

634
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the way fighters do by trying to win at all costs.

635
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 1>And I don't exactly think i'd call Derek much of

636
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a fighter, more of just an aggressor.

637
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

638
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 1>So, once he quote unquote one he had, he had,

639
00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he had what he had wanted right to make sure

640
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that the whole world knew, and that's what he pursued.

641
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Just like, I'm just sitting here and I can't stop

642
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.759
<v Speaker 2>just thinking that he's a complete selfish asshole. The fact

643
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:35.319
<v Speaker 2>that he did this, posted it to Facebook, that there's

644
00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:39.799
<v Speaker 2>like the little girl upstairs, It's just I don't know, well,

645
00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>he is he is only thinking about himself and like

646
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>just the people that he is also, well, he's murdered

647
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 2>one and then just hurting just so many other people.

648
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 3>He's impacting so many people.

649
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And speaking of Jennifer's daughter, like Isabelle, when she

650
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.119
<v Speaker 1>was like, because she's you know, interviewed with this whole

651
00:31:56.119 --> 00:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>court process, right when she's asked if there's anyone she

652
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>was scared of. Want what her answer was him, quote,

653
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 1>the only person I was afraid of was Derek because

654
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 1>he was mean to mommy.

655
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, this is like a little ten year old girl.

656
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. After six hours of deliberation, the jury found Derek

657
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 1>guilty of second degree murder.

658
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I kind of wondered because I thought first degree.

659
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 2>He didn't go about, you know, really planning it thoroughly.

660
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:28.960
<v Speaker 2>It seemed like it was kind of a little bit

661
00:32:29.000 --> 00:32:30.319
<v Speaker 2>in the heat of the moment as well.

662
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>But three months later, at the sentencing, Derek made it

663
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:38.039
<v Speaker 1>clear he wasn't going down quietly. He stood up, addressed

664
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the courtroom and he ranted and rambled, threatening to quote

665
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>get his lawyers involved.

666
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 2>For what.

667
00:32:46.079 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Sentence he started.

668
00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:50.359
<v Speaker 1>Calling out, I mean this it was a weird like

669
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>rant that he made in the courtroom, he started calling

670
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>out the President of the United States, babbling about how

671
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 1>a movie that came out before his trial somehow made

672
00:32:58.160 --> 00:33:01.160
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing unfair, and for the record, the movie

673
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>had absolutely nothing to do with his case. He announced

674
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.119
<v Speaker 1>that he was going to sue the court.

675
00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 2>Okay, checks out.

676
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all these things that he's going on about confused

677
00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>so many people.

678
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:15.680
<v Speaker 3>It had nothing to do with the case.

679
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Like he's just talking about how Barack Obama and people

680
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:20.640
<v Speaker 1>are so corrupt and he's got to do something about it.

681
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.160
<v Speaker 3>What the Okay, I agree with you.

682
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I think he's trying to make himself look a certain

683
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:30.039
<v Speaker 1>way to the courtroom, to the jury, to the public, or.

684
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Just prolong his like moment in spot the Spotlight potentially

685
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>right by, like I don't know, having this big today

686
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.359
<v Speaker 2>and people listen to the shit that I have to say.

687
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 1>And I think he's just searching for notoriety. He's trying

688
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>to get people to talk about his story. I mean,

689
00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we're doing it right now. But I think he's trying

690
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>to be all like very Marilyn Manson esque, you know,

691
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 1>like he was this crazy guy and like, oh my god,

692
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:03.119
<v Speaker 1>massive Headliners. No Derek you're just a fucking loser, and

693
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:09.599
<v Speaker 1>it baffles us how you can be such a douche canoe.

694
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, there's nothing like that makes him. I

695
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 2>mean sometimes the serial killers do get like that attention.

696
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.000
<v Speaker 2>They've killed like numerous people and they go about it

697
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.760
<v Speaker 2>so many in so many different ways and stuff. But

698
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.480
<v Speaker 2>he is literally just an abuser. Yeah, and he took

699
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>like his wife's life. I don't know, that is just

700
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing really there to talk about it. Like, he's

701
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>just a complete idiot.

702
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

703
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Now he was sentenced to life in prison, with the

704
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>possibility of parole after twenty five years. He appealed, of course,

705
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 1>but his conviction was upheld. Once all of this hit

706
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the public, people quickly discovered Derek's whole side career as

707
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>a self published author.

708
00:34:56.840 --> 00:34:59.119
<v Speaker 3>And as the Internet does what the Internet does.

709
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Do Seriously, they're not becoming popular, are they?

710
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Nope?

711
00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Nope, tru Okay, the internet went and they did Internet things,

712
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>because before long, Amazon was flooded with sarcastic reviews of

713
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>his books. Some of the highlights include great book, the

714
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 1>author really sticks to his guns, Oh fantastic book, gave

715
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.679
<v Speaker 1>my marriage a shot in the arm, Oh boy, I

716
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:28.239
<v Speaker 1>had my doubts about reading this, but I finally decided

717
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>to pull the trigger.

718
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so yeah, yeah, the internet really did go and

719
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:36.400
<v Speaker 2>do a thing.

720
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 1>There, Yes they did. Now his books have bad, terrible reviews.

721
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>Apparently they are just absolutely horrendous, with Barnes and Noble

722
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:49.159
<v Speaker 1>having him like super low, like like it was in

723
00:35:49.199 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like the tens of thousands on the bottom list of

724
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.800
<v Speaker 1>like best sellers. It's like when you're like number one

725
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:57.559
<v Speaker 1>best seller. Yeah, this was like thirteen thousand best sellers

726
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:58.119
<v Speaker 1>like bottom.

727
00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Ye. You probably just have to read the Tide to

728
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>like place it that way.

729
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Probably, right, Even if you look at the books, it

730
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 1>looks like an elementary school project.

731
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

732
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>So even in prison, Derek, he became exactly what he

733
00:36:16.360 --> 00:36:20.039
<v Speaker 1>always wanted famous, just not for the reasons he hoped.

734
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Like, are you saying like the inmates had

735
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 2>attention on him?

736
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm saying because the reviews on Amazon and the

737
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>mockery the story that we're telling right now.

738
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Because sometimes like people when they go into prison and

739
00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 2>if they have you know, abuse, like a woman or

740
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>a child, they don't do very good in there. That's

741
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:44.559
<v Speaker 2>what I kind of was thinking. You meant, I have.

742
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 1>No idea how he's doing behind bars, and I hope

743
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that he is, let's say, feeling some retribution. That's how

744
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I hope he's doing behind bars. And yeah, that's the

745
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.159
<v Speaker 1>story of the Facebook Killer.

746
00:36:59.239 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>And he's still there.

747
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:00.840
<v Speaker 3>He's still there.

748
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>When did he get sentenced? Sorry, because I'm just curious

749
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 2>how long he's going to be in there, because that's

750
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 2>so again I hate when they're just of an age

751
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:14.480
<v Speaker 2>where they'll get back out and and he'll probably use

752
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:18.840
<v Speaker 2>his time in there to carry on his you know,

753
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:20.519
<v Speaker 2>wanting to be famous and stuff.

754
00:37:21.159 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I don't think he will.

755
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I believe he was sentenced in twenty sixteen, of February

756
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 1>twenty sixteen, so he's got.

757
00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Some time, he does. He's been in there nine years though,

758
00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. Yeah, doesn't feel like twenty sixteen was nine

759
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:36.760
<v Speaker 2>years ago.

760
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, thanks for just giving me that slap in

761
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:43.119
<v Speaker 1>the face of reality.

762
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.199
<v Speaker 2>Appreciate that one there anytime. It's my job.

763
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

764
00:37:50.239 --> 00:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>So what was his like title again? Facebook?

765
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.599
<v Speaker 3>The Facebook Killer?

766
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, the Facebook Killer?

767
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I know you're talking about like the title

768
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of the book Boks, which honesty. Like, no, I can't

769
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.480
<v Speaker 1>get over some of these book titles like where are

770
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>they here? How I Saved Someone's life, on Marriage, on

771
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 1>family Problems, True Communication, Attention, World, save yourself? And if

772
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.199
<v Speaker 1>the world ended today, how would you react to saving

773
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the world or helping the world or would it be

774
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>all over for you? I could barely do that in

775
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 1>one breath.

776
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Is there any comma? Is there anything?

777
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:27.159
<v Speaker 3>Or it's just like I mean, yeah, there's some commas

778
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:27.840
<v Speaker 3>in there.

779
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but still that is unreal. People wouldn't even have

780
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.320
<v Speaker 2>because you know how they they assist. The people have systems,

781
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 2>like bookstores have systems. They probably wouldn't even fit the

782
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:41.480
<v Speaker 2>fucking title into the system of you know, where you

783
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:42.519
<v Speaker 2>put a title of a book.

784
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Could you imagine going into a bookstore and requesting said title.

785
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I think the person would think that you were, I

786
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know, a little bit.

787
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Cuckoo or something.

788
00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I think so now, to be fair, I do believe

789
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that these books. I don't know if there's hard copies

790
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 1>of the books. I think they're all in digital form.

791
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:03.280
<v Speaker 1>M okay, but even still, could you imagine like recommending

792
00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 1>this book to a friend, Oh, you should check this out.

793
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Here's a notebook that I wrote down the title of

794
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 1>the book and it covers the next four pages.

795
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, here's still hoping that. Honestly, his time away

796
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.559
<v Speaker 2>is spent reflecting really on what the fuck he does

797
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.840
<v Speaker 2>he's done, And I also just feel so bad for

798
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 2>that kid, Like her daughter just lost her mom. Yeah,

799
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>that's not okay. That like that is not okay to

800
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 2>have an issue with someone like that and your relationship

801
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 2>is so fucked up, and then you take her life

802
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and no regards for the fact that she's a mom, Like,

803
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 2>oh man, that makes me angry.

804
00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, he clearly had no regards for anyone because he's

805
00:39:46.760 --> 00:39:49.400
<v Speaker 1>so drawn into getting the attention himself. Look at how

806
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:53.960
<v Speaker 1>many people he threw the murdered image in front of,

807
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 1>like her lifeless body body. He threw it on a

808
00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:01.199
<v Speaker 1>public media forum where there's children foundly with your grandparents.

809
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 3>You know.

810
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I just had the thought, like I wonder if he

811
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 2>had thought about that, because would you kill someone and

812
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>then later just have that idea or is it something

813
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>that you would have been, like, had thought about previously.

814
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he would have thought about it prior

815
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 1>to I think he just posted so often and was.

816
00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 2>Just like about his day and stuff that it just

817
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 2>kind of felt natural.

818
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah, he's just like, oh this is post worthy?

819
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Why just fucking twisted to even think if that someone's

820
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 1>going to say this is postworthy. But I do think

821
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 1>that that's what goes on in his head because he

822
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>was so much like, I'm going to post things about

823
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 1>my day or stuff that I do, and I'm going

824
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 1>to get famous. You know, Like there's kids out there

825
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.119
<v Speaker 1>who are like, oh, I'm going to do YouTube and

826
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>become YouTube famous, right, and they post the cool things

827
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 1>about their summer and their day. And I think that's

828
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>just what it was for him. He's just posting, you know,

829
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a big thing that happened to him. I can get

830
00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:59.920
<v Speaker 1>YouTube famous off this. Yeah, look at the Logan policy

831
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>situation back in the day when he was off in

832
00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the Japanese forest and posted a video on YouTube when

833
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.639
<v Speaker 1>he found someone who committed suicide.

834
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 2>But that actually did well for him, didn't it in

835
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.800
<v Speaker 2>the end in the long run.

836
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it did.

837
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it didn't help him in any way.

838
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.519
<v Speaker 3>No, Okay, I don't think it did.

839
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.599
<v Speaker 2>I know I remember that. That's just like disgusting. I

840
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>actually just came across something. It was like today or

841
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>yesterday about just people. You know, it's kind of a

842
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>known fact that a lot of times people who post

843
00:41:32.800 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot about how great their life is or their

844
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 2>relationship is that they're doing that and they're kind of

845
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.840
<v Speaker 2>like overcompensating. Oh yeah, right, and in reality it isn't great.

846
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:46.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's some instances where there they do actually

847
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 2>have a good relationship or whatever. But yeah, social media

848
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:53.880
<v Speaker 2>is just I don't know, I used to like social

849
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>media a lot more than I do now because I

850
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 2>so want It's just not real.

851
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.039
<v Speaker 3>It's really not. For the majority of it.

852
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>It's not real, and it honestly kind of just makes

853
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>you feel like shit most of the time.

854
00:42:04.599 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 1>True, which, in all honesty is one of the big

855
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 1>reasons that our podcast is the way that it is

856
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>because we try and keep our stuff as real as

857
00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 1>we can. We don't really edit stuff out. I mean

858
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:16.480
<v Speaker 1>there's minor edits here and there once in a while,

859
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>but I mean, majority of it it's just us shooting

860
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the ship, talking about a story, having a drink, and

861
00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:24.239
<v Speaker 1>being us keeping you know, the reality to our posts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, which I mean, yeah, it's getting more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>This world is just not like that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>No, so if you want to see more of it,

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<v Speaker 1>stick around form.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, what a pitch at the end that wasn't even plun.

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<v Speaker 1>More social media is in the description of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>In case you're lacking in those.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, thank you for being here, Derek. You suck

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll talk to you next episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, we're about to go and record.

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<v Speaker 3>Our Patreon exclusive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, if you want to be a patron,

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<v Speaker 2>now would be time because you get at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the month elusive.

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<v Speaker 1>Episode exactly, and there's a whole library you can go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to a whole wack load more too,

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<v Speaker 1>whole wackload. It's a whole whack load. You gotta get

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<v Speaker 1>the quack in there, the wack load, a whole wack load.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you're not gonna go and tune into that

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<v Speaker 2>one until next time, stay wicked.