Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season three,
episode forty two of Clips in Dip. We got the
full crew back. We have myself, Chuck Mockler, Adam Oslin,
and William Updike here to talk all things Clippers. We're
talking going to and two and the four and five,
which I was pretty happy with. We're gonna talk some
trade ideas, and then the Clippers have a ton of
games coming up that we're going to try and make
some sense of. If you watch our last episode, thank you.
That was a Lakers preview. Pretty much nailed everything in
there from Will and Adam's point of view, So great
job on that, guys. But if you want to watch
our stuff as opposed to listen to it, find us
at YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. Will Adam,
how the hell are you guys doing on this very
sunny Friday evening in Los Angeles?
Speaker 2: Ready for the week to be over? Yeah? I mean,
I bet the Clippers are too. Four and five absolutely brutal,
and it's not over yet. The schedule is is unrelenting.
But hey, maybe we'll get an All Star not out
all of this. Who knows.
Speaker 1: I like that you said unrelenting and yeah, Norm was
on ESPN today which was awesome. Adam, do you want
to break the news about what's happening later today?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'm not ready. I can't get there yet.
Speaker 1: All right, fair Adam, how are you doing? You've been
busy with the four and five?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I did ask the lot Murray pregame Yester. Now,
I was like, do you know what day it is?
Because it's one of those type of weeks. But I said,
if they go two and two with a win over
the Lakers, that is successful. And even though the second
half of the game last night was a little bit
disappointing with the effort, they still pull it off. So
I think they're in a good spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the four and five. Will and I were talked
about this last night. It was at home at least,
which is nice. Right, there was no travel thrown. I'm
not trying to justify the four and five here, but thanks.
Speaker 3: To the hook up at them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the good part they beat the Lakers. Kawhi looked awesome,
he dunk Zoo looked good like that. I think you're right.
Two and two with the win over Lakers is great.
But that game against the Celtics was one of the
more fun losses I think any of us will have
ever watched.
Speaker 3: That would have been one of the best regular season
wins of the Tyleru era. And that's saying something because
they've had a thirty five point come back, second biggest
in NBA history. That would have been an all timer.
Speaker 2: The drubby though of the Celtics by the Lakers, Does
that take anything away from that? Uh? Near wind. I'm
gonna call it a near wind. Could call it near
loss as well, but it's a It's a near win
in my book. Does that take anything away from that?
Speaker 3: For either of you?
Speaker 2: Fellas here, you still still.
Speaker 3: No because that happened because the Clippers pushed him to
the break the night before and made him really did
I was so annoyed. I knew the Lakers were going
to beat him last night. I'm like, okay, this was
warm out. They soften him up, and now the Lakers
get to beat him.
Speaker 2: Tatum played one like forty three minutes.
Speaker 1: It was incredible. If you missed that game and you're
able to replay it, just watch, maybe just watch the
fourth quarter. But the starting five of Kevin Porter, junior
Terrence Man a mere coffee, Derek Jones Junior, and Mo Bamba.
Speaker 2: The future is now.
Speaker 1: The future is now, everybody. I had some thoughts about
this Celtics game. I want to fire off the craziest
one first, and I know there's some people on Twitter
who agree with me on this. Kobe Brown, Yes, he's
a little old for for where he's at. Well doesn't
left where I'm going with this. Um, he just knows
how to play basketball. I don't know. Yes, he does
eleven boards. He was good in that game against the Celtics.
Speaker 2: He didn't shoot what the rest of the sample size?
Speaker 1: Very not elite, I'll say, not elite is what I'm
going to say.
Speaker 2: I think there's rotation ready, though, is what you're not?
Speaker 1: Rotation ready? I just think I wish he wasn't twenty
five because there's some bench potential there to be an
actual bench player in the NBA, which is hard to
do and what the Clippers need. And he has size
I put I believe I put in here, Diet great value,
Shasta Light, malto Mates, Draymond Green. If you had to
have knockoff Cereal, you know what malto Mat says. Ummm,
that's how I feel. About it. I don't know. I'm
not saying give him any minutes. I just you know,
I guess I wish it would have worked out differently, because,
like I said, he's twenty five and only getting time
when six rotation guys are out.
Speaker 3: Hey, if the difference is if he plays and Mobama
plays less, who isn't okay with that? Although I did
think mo was sauld last night, But if Kobe Brown
was getting some backup centerment minutes as we approached the
trade deadline, I'd be interested in that, just to see
what exactly they're dealing with, and maybe there doesn't need
to be as much of a sense of urgency. I
did think he was pretty darn good against Boston, and
it's just the outside shooting is the only thing missing
right now. But I asked coach lup Pregame about him
yesterday because he had been playing back up five or
been playing some minutes at the five in training camp,
like he was being groomed for that role. And then
you saw it play out against Boston and that's the
right team to do it against because he can switch
on a lot of different guys and what else.
Speaker 1: Are we gonna do with that? Many guys out you
might as well put Kobe at them.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he played in the game in Boston too,
if I recall, but I don't know. I thought he
looked good, like his rebounds were fifty to fifty balls,
a lot of those. His hustle was very much a
parent out there. It's just if he could knock down
three balls, I think he'd be getting consistent minutes for
this team. Like that is the one thing, and that's
part of why they drafted him. He shot forty six
percent last year at MISSOO and it just hasn't translated,
not just to this level, it hasn't translated to the
G League guys.
Speaker 1: It hasn't. Wasn't the I'll look up as status in
a second. But wasn't that kind of an anomaly shooting
year for him too?
Speaker 3: It was, but it was like.
Speaker 1: Last Yeah, he had a break to shoot them all
of a sudden.
Speaker 3: He hadn't taken him much before, so.
Speaker 1: Right fair Kevin Porter Junior. Also in the third quarter,
I mean third quarter versus the Celtics was insane. Then
you go six for six or something like that.
Speaker 3: Ye had thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was good to see And I thought like
and Adam, You've talked about this a bunch, but like
when he lets the game just when he plays like
a actually like a real point guard, I guess looking
to get other guys involved is when we see, well
we saw it last night we were watching the game. Like,
when he's getting other guys involved, it's like, yeah, this
is good, like this this with a nice back of
the you know, the stuff you can do individually with
the ball in his hand. But like there's something kind
of there if he just continues to let the game
slow down.
Speaker 2: Like, look, I understand watching it on the floor, like
you can kind of understand Tylo's methodology and thinking and
why he has had so much leeway this season despite
some of the more terrible performances. I think the issue
is just, you know, it's like we said, it's can
you do it consistently? So far the answer has been no.
And I think on a lot of teams that would
be fine. I think, you know, assuming health on this
team and what their aspirations are. I just don't know.
I don't know how great of a fit that ultimately is.
Speaker 1: Long term or just for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: I think even like for the postseason, Like what what
in the postseason will have given? Giving Kevin Porter Junior
all these minutes this year have done for this team
the postseason is a good point. I will say, you disagree,
you're making a face. I want to put in one
one thing real quick though.
Speaker 1: For for KPJ, he is the only other person other
than James Harden who I'm not.
Speaker 2: It is he has to handle Yeah, he has to
handle the ball. That is like a team that has
so many damn guards. I don't even understand how this
is an issue, but I yeah, I feel like my
point still stands, Like if this Clippers team is trying
to do what we think they can do in the postseason,
like what we'll have playing Kevin Porter Junior all these
minutes have men.
Speaker 3: I mean, he has probably like three of the worst
turnovers of the season still, but like a backcourt violation
where nobody was pressuring him, but he's dancing with the
ball and it just goes on the back court or
he fad that one play was that preseason or regular
season where he threw it to somebody in the front
row was not a Clipper. Yeah, but I agree with you. Yeah,
like if he's passing first. He is a talented passer.
If he's looking to get others involved, that's kind of
the key right there. Look for your shot a little
bit less, okay a lot less, and pass the basketball
more because you can do it, you can make it.
Speaker 1: That's the thing we've seen him have, you know, like
the crooked number and the assists column before and it's like,
oh cool, okay, less points but more assists. Awesome. And
that quote, Adam that you posted where Tyleru talks about
wanting him to like I can't remember the phrasing exactly,
but it was like run the system or not system,
but like run the team, command the team on court.
It's like, yeah, more of that, which again he's shown
flashes of being able to do. Just like Will said,
it's just a consistency.
Speaker 2: Part of it.
Speaker 3: And that's a different thing than looking, you know, looking
for your shot or looking to get yours. You can
do that. You can be one of those types of players.
But he's never going to he's never going to turn
into I think, a winning basketball player if he doesn't
just try to to get them more, get them into
their offense, regardless of he's taken the shot at the
end of the possession or.
Speaker 1: Not right, Yeah, and he's here though, like I saw
two and three Hoops tweeted like, I wonder if his
you know, his leash is gonna get shorter from Tyloo
at this point, and I'm like, I don't think it is.
We're halfway through the season.
Speaker 2: But one thought, one thing I thought was kind of
interesting is like when they talked about like what it
could mean that that game at Boston in the post game,
Tyler basically said like, you know, we'll see, like, yeah,
you know, he he's and of course, I mean he
has the like the larger stample size. He's he's not
gonna put a whole lot of eggs in a basket
from one game that was, you know, as incredible of
a game as it was, so yeahs that game, Yeah,
oh yeah. It wasn't perfect. It was a view from
an effort perspective.
Speaker 3: I thought the game against Chicago was telling in terms
of this minute and god.
Speaker 1: That was in my bad cat category of the breakdown
for the four and five of the bat that was
gross that game.
Speaker 3: Well, specifically though he's one for ten, Terror's man is
playing well out there, and Terre's man got taken out
of the fourth quarter for James Harden instead of KPJ,
who blows up about that game. He's one for ten. Yeah,
that was not good a read on the situation and
the hierarchy going on.
Speaker 1: And we've seen that a couple other times too, right,
didn't we see a game recently where KPJ closed over done?
I can't remember what. Yeah that was. I think the
Clippers ended up winning that game, but it was still
kind of like, that's odd. No, So it just feels
kind that's like kind of the one weird thing right now,
I guess for Clippers fans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I you know, I can see the flashes, I don't
see the vision.
Speaker 1: M I like that take on that. Derek Jones found
his groove against the Celtics and against the Wizards, which
was really good to see. We're gonna talk about, is
anything else good we want to talk about before we
talk about the second half versus the Wizards and the
bad parts of the four.
Speaker 3: And five, and Derek Jones has been pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the blessings in disguise of
having that many guys out in the Boston game, and
it sucks that you lose that game because it's going
to be forgotten and it would have been an all
time regular season Clippers win. But it gave him the
ability to get up twenty freaking shots, which got him
out of his shooting slump, and it carried over until
the next night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely a plus there. Let's talk the second half
of that Wizard's game, because that was horrible. The first
half was going as the first half against the Wizards
should go, with our guys being healthy relatively except for
Chris Dunn, which we're gonna talk about you a little bit. Well,
what was happening in the second half? Out of you
were there?
Speaker 3: No, I was frustrated on the air. I said it
multiple times. By the midway point in the third quarter,
I said, the process here is really bad by this
Clippers team. It looks like they're just trying to run
out the clock and do the bare minimum of work
to secure this victory. That's what it looked like. And
while you can say, well, it's the game four, four
and five, Okay, they just had five guys return that
didn't play against Boston the night before, so I don't
think you can use they were tired excuse when a
lot of the main guys didn't play the night before.
I think it just it was one of those games
that does happen during a regular season, even with the
team that has been as locked in as the Clippers
have for the most part and have not had many
times when they played down to their opponents. But this
was one of those games where it just seemed like
we're just gonna get this over with and we're not
gonna have good process out there, actually run our offense.
We're gonna try to hit a couple threes. Hey, you
take a three, get it. If somebody catches a heater here,
we can put them away. I mean Kawhi Leonard was
basically just cherry picking on one end of the floor
in that third quarter for the most part. Like if
Kawhi had a level of unseriousness or whatever out there,
like what's where the rest of the guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was not one of the more enjoyable
games to watch. Well and I were watching the second half,
we were just like, this is just bad basketball, Like
by both sides. It was sloppy. Harden had some inexplicable turnovers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, Yeah, it was. It was ugly basketball,
and it started out so well. It's it's interesting this
Clippers team, Uh, the way they can get off to
hot starts, like we didn't see as much in the
two and three era, and then it really it really
sort of tapers off, but it did look I mean,
it just looked like a lack of focus out there.
And then the effort on the defensive end is not
what we've seen as of late. As you know, it
looks a little bit more when they were when they
were a little bit more waderless sort of in December.
Speaker 3: Yeah, honestly, it's almost a credit to them that it
stood out so much last night, how bad that third
quarter was and how bad the fourth was, even in
a game they win by seventeen, because it's just goes
against everything they've shown us so far this season. But
I'm telling you, other teams you see way more of
that basketball more consistently, and you might become numb to it.
It really stood out from this Clippers team last night
because they have been a really good squad when it
comes to being consistent, especially on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I like looking at it like that, that,
Like it really was kind of like jarring some of
that third quarter basketball, which is refreshing because, like I mean,
even with other Clippers teams recently, you would be you
would just be kind of used to playing down to
your opponent that kind of thing. Thank god it was
the Wizards, though, because I think maybe any other team
in the NBA might have been able to make.
Speaker 2: The Probably it's probably coming back from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like a twelve point lead. I think
it was that that was in the fourth, they were
up by twelve, and it was just kind of like,
this doesn't feel like twelve points Like this feels like
this could just slip away at any moment. Thanks, I
think it was norm hit a couple of big shots.
Will what's your level of concern with Chris Done missing
two games with Knie soreness in a row.
Speaker 2: It's concerning. I mean, it's less concerning with Kawhi back
in the lineup, just defensively, like you know, we're not
taking any sort of fall off there, And I think
I think it's it's it's frustrating because running the second
unit like the next the next option is still definitely
a better ball handler than Chris Done, but not not
as well run out of a player in Kevin Porter Junior.
But I don't know, it's only a couple of games,
so I'm not super concerned about it right now. Long term, yeah,
long term, it loses a lot of versatility, especially I
think in closing lineups and what we want to do.
What we want to do there from a versatility perspective,
And we talked about this so many times that this
team just because of sort of the players and the construction,
like there's not a lot of margins, there's not really
as much interchangeability and versatility.
Speaker 1: As we've been used to.
Speaker 2: So even losing like one aspect of that, and even
if it's majority going to be minutes outside of closing
lineups like with the second unit, I still think that
that can make a huge difference for a team who
was operating on narrow, narrow margins.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's a lot of games coming up too,
in like every other day, Adam, I know, we said
Tyler kind of said he wasn't super worried about it yesterday.
Not for sure what else he's supposed to say, But
what's your vibe with this? Because I'm a little I'm
probably like a three and a half out of ten.
I'm worried about that.
Speaker 2: I'm at a two to two point five.
Speaker 1: Seems like, well, what up? Pretty big percentage pretty quickly.
Speaker 3: I'm at a point five just because I lose demeanor
when talking about it pregame. It doesn't seem like it's much.
I think it's just he's been dinged up because he
hustles so much. He's a madman out there. Yeah, it's
wear and tear stuff. But I don't think there's a
long term issues going on right now. But he does
have an injury track record in his past, so maybe, okay,
you know what, I'll bring it up to a one.
Speaker 1: See every everyone's been you.
Speaker 2: Know, Adam took away bigger jump.
Speaker 3: I can fear monger myself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like now that we mentioned it, all right, Last
thing to say about this, I have a gripe about
jerseys and combinations real quick, if you.
Speaker 2: Know, I know, I already know what she's gonna say.
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, So the Clippers when they went to
Portland wore red jerseys. They were in Portland. The paint
of Portland is is red. The whole thing is red.
There's a bunch of red branding everywhere. Yesterday, the Wizards
were effectively the exact same shade of blue and red,
that is, the Clippers blue and red. The Clippers paint
is blue, there's blue everywhere. The Clippers are wearing white.
Visiting teams should not wear the same color. I don't
think at all of the home team, if possible, especially
if it's the same color as the entire paint. I
think it's insane. I may be the only one who
thinks this, but it's just like it we've lost the
plot with jerseys and courts if we're having visiting teams
matching the court of the home team that they're playing.
Speaker 3: So would you like more of those wacky alternate jerseys
where like the Boston Celtics are wearing red or the
Bulls are wearing green.
Speaker 2: Isn't that Wizards jersey in Old Jersey?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they shouldn't exist.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the extreme, the wackiest ones where it's
like some of these city edition uniforms this season that
we went through the list and it's like, what the
hell is this? This has there are no colors that
have anything to do with their team on here I get.
Speaker 1: I mean that would actually maybe solve this problem because
no other home team's court is like neon green or
whatever the Jazz are using like that, that would be fine,
but yeah, like using the same like there's just the
same color palette. It feels like for a lot of
these like non city edition alternates or whatever, did you
happen to the same color?
Speaker 3: Did you want the Clippers that to be wearing they're
blue when they were up in Portland?
Speaker 1: Any other color than what the majority of the home
court is? So yeah, blue.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like if they wear the white, that's too
similar to Portland typical. Yeah, so I guess they just
have to wear the blue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's nothing.
Speaker 2: That doesn't seem that hard to It doesn't seem like
that big of an ask if I'm being honest, right,
And if.
Speaker 1: You're Washington, why where? Yeah? I was just like, what
do we do with It's?
Speaker 2: Well, I do think these things are aren't these prescribed
by the league like you're gonna like when they're gonna
wear ex jerseys? I mean, it's still something I feel
like they could figure out in scheduling. But I hear
your point, and I did think I did think in
both of these games that it wasn't when.
Speaker 1: It's an old man gripe. I understand if no one
else cares, but I think something got a cloud.
Speaker 3: Heyff doesn't like the jersey.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a combination. The jersey is fine,
but don't combine it with a home team's court. It's
the exact same colors.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not about the jerseys. We need some more
wacky court designs, like during the nd season tournament.
Speaker 2: Now you're onto something.
Speaker 1: Now I'm with it.
Speaker 2: You know, nes jerseys, more court designs. You don't have
to buy those if you're a fan.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually a great idea you can auction off. Yeah, okay,
I like that. Let's bookbuk that if Barber listens to
the show. Barber, let us know at Clippers Pod on
Twitter if you think that's a good idea. All right,
coming up, it's trade season. Lawrence Frank talked a touch
about trades during last night's game. We're gonna talk about
a scoch about trades. Then we're gonna just kind of
do a little quick wrap up for the thousand games
coming up between now and Valentine's Day. There's a quick
audio break coming up, and then trade talk in three two.
Speaker 2: One, welcome back into Clips and Dip. If you listen
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at Clippers podcast. Anyways, we talked about the Clippers four
and five. Now it's trades, trades, trades and more trades.
Everybody's favorite time of year, it's the trade deadline. Got
to get into it for the Clippers. We talked a
little bit about it at the coming into the break,
but Lawrence Frank was joining Brian Seeman and Jim Jackson
last night and he talked a little bit about it,
and I mean it was basically he really likes the group,
but with Kai, with the Kawhi and James Harden, if
there's these opportunities to improve the roster, you improved the roster.
So I think essentially the same thing we've been saying
all year, which is really just kind of off of
speak for we're not giving up any assets that we're
not giving up any major assets. I don't think for
anything at this trade deadline, Adam, But what do you think.
Do you did this conversation with Lawrence Frank change her mind?
Were you reading the tea leaves? Have you seen something
completely different?
Speaker 3: No, I just confirmed stuff we have been saying, like
they're not going to make any move that sack surprises
their future. Basically, like if they make a move, it's
going to be because it's a player that can either
be had on the cheap that doesn't take away from
any future plans, or a young player that can help
them now and in the future that they might want
to hold on to. It's going to be something. But
I don't see talked about Zach Lavine and telling how
he has that big player option for forty eight million
and twenty twenty seven, And that's the type of guy
I don't see them investing in because that could disrupt
what they have going on later.
Speaker 2: It also doesn't fit with the mold of like what, yeah,
you know what they've done like and yet, and I know,
if you're a fan of this team, you've been through
enough press conferences where we've said you know this team
is going to be and what they're trying to build
with one thing, and then you see something else. This year,
they've really have like backed up and delivered on that
promise though, so I would be a little surprised if
season a little later than mid season they were like,
you know what, this has been going really well for
us despite Kawhi Leonard. Let's go ahead, and let's go
ahead and throw that out the window. Let's start again.
Let's let's go back to the drawing board.
Speaker 1: Let's switch.
Speaker 3: Also, unlike past years, you know, they don't have a
player who I think is going to come out and
be like begging for them to go get a certain
player in the locker room in a postgame situation that
puts pressure.
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot less player involved.
Speaker 3: Am I talking about the Lakers or Paul George? What
am I talking?
Speaker 1: Who know? Weird? Why would that be this year or
not last year?
Speaker 2: Well, and then I saw some reports today. I don't
know how to this is, but there's some murmurings that
the team also isn't it is still not entertaining offers
for Terrence Man.
Speaker 1: Really they're getting calls, but they're not.
Speaker 2: But I you know, I don't know, you know, that
could also be like a smoke screen where you know,
that's the thing the team says to drive up the
asking for us. I have no idea, but if that
is the case, is well, I mean, at best, you're
looking at a very marginal move. You're probably looking at
a backup five, I think is like the only sort
of acquisition you're you should really be keeping an eye
on if that's the case, because I would be. I
would just be pretty shocked if they were willing to
ship out Norm And there's no way. I mean, I
will eat my I'm not wearing a hat today. I'll
eat my hat if they end up trading a first
at this trade deadline, like I will. Yeah, I would
be so, I would be beyond shots. And I know
that this Clippers, this Clipper's front office has thrown us
some curveballs before this one to me would be that,
I don't know what do you think? Unless unless they
send me a text and they say, you know what,
you're right, this is our year, and then and then
they can go then they can go ahead and trade
the first.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want. Well, the backup five is the most
important thing and the only thing they should make a
trade to figure out. Kai Jones should probably just go
to the g League for his own development sake, because
it's not like he's was lighting it up there, like
at to a point where he was forcing mobil Like
there's never even been really a competition between him and
Mobaba and Mobaba is as we saw when Zoo was out,
not good enough to even spot start with the regular
starters because it.
Speaker 2: Just but of course he's not like and that was
not real what he was brought in for it. But
I think, yeah, like more troubling has definitely been his
backup minutes. Yeah, like I think that's more of an
indictment on his his tenure as a Clipper totally.
Speaker 1: So it's gotta be back up five. A bunch of
people want to trade Terrence, but I don't know what
you're trading for Terrence. I don't know what Center makes.
What does Terrence make? Like eleven million dollars? Yeah, I don't,
I don't it's like eleven to twelve or something. I
don't think we're fighting, right, Like who if you can
get some of these names like Valentudis or Robert Williams
without having to include Terrence Man, you wouldn't include Terrence Man.
Speaker 2: Well, it isn't the valas I thought it was like
pretty widely reported the asking Christ with two second.
Speaker 1: Two seconds, Tucker, get it done.
Speaker 3: I'll be surprised that they don't get more. I think
that out there to put blood in the water, to
have multiple teams come in and go, oh, well, i'll
give you two seconds. Right here, they go, well, we
got another team bidding against you. I think it's a
way to drive up the price. I think they can
get more than that. I'm I'm concerned that competing that's more.
You're right that that sweetener is an all timer, but
I think the Clippers could be competing. Unfortunately, with the
Lakers backup Biggs after a d came outlast night and
he's demanded we go back to the four. Basically, the
Lakers are going to be on the hunt for unless
they get like Walker Kessler out then they might be
going after Williams and Jonas Allen Chiss. Both teams in
LA might be after the same guy.
Speaker 1: And they have a lot more future assets to play
with than the Clippers do.
Speaker 3: Will you second round pick? Yes?
Speaker 1: Will you shared some pretty interesting Robert Williams content. Did
that change your mind at all on bringing him to
the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's very disappointed that the Shrek movie is being
delayed in favor of another Minions film. So, I mean, hey,
as a lover of cinema, there's a spot for him
on this on this Clippers stand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we needed Patrick Patterson used to do like movie Nights,
we need another guy who.
Speaker 2: He had like an early screening of Uncut Gems, and
it was like it was one of I thought, like
the cooler Team moments where everybody was like he had
a picture of everybody in a small private theater watching
Uncut Gems.
Speaker 1: He's like, man, getting your friends together on.
Speaker 2: Release, folks, before release.
Speaker 1: I love getting my friends together watching nothing more than
the most stressful movie I can possibly That's I mean,
that's living. So and the Collin Sexton idea is forgive
me for the people who want to trade for Colin Sexton,
seemingly impossible for the Clippers, for the fact that we
have no future.
Speaker 2: So are you are you ready to give up Norm? No,
not for Colin Sexton. There's no way that you get
it out of that deal without Norm. And I know,
whatever draft capital you can put together, yeah, which I'm like,
I'm not trading dorm right now. The vibes are too good.
Speaker 1: He would probably end up scoring seventy five points on
us in some kind of pivotal that matchup. If that happened,
we can't trade the dorm the vibes. The locker room
would be.
Speaker 2: That'd be subtraction by subtraction, my friend, exactly.
Speaker 1: The locker room would be gutted. Dude, it would be brutal.
Speaker 3: I don't know why they'd do it, honestly, for norm either,
who has another year after this year, Like, I don't know,
that's a weird The problem is what is Utah up
to and how much are they looking to get the
trading marketing they have Kessler they I.
Speaker 2: Thought kind of made sense. Was that which I thought
kind of makes sense? Yeah, he's like one of two
talented players with the future on that roster, Like you're
not getting you know, you're not getting an upgrade unless
you can get a bunch of draft capital. I don't know,
I kind of understand the position.
Speaker 3: Kessler's so young that he can still fit within the
next timeline. He's twenty three. I wouldn't give him up
either for two even for two first round picks, Like
the chances you get a guy like that with either
of those picks or player that good. It's I mean,
it's that's the lateral move. I but that's what could
offer uh and the bear me because if they got
it like Walker Kessler, they'd be real problem. I actually
didn't even disagree with Anthony Davis describe. I don't know
what they've been doing over there with Dropolaka and not
bringing it in a center for him for a long time.
It's like there's a pretty easy solution to this. Put
Ad back at the four guys.
Speaker 2: He's never wanted to play center.
Speaker 1: He never wanted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the worst kept secret. But for the Clippers,
what did you guys think of Jonas Valnis last night?
Because to me, he is me slower and like every
way he looks a little beer than you.
Speaker 2: I told I told Charles this, like I I mean
of the of the backup center names that have been
like kind of linked to the Clippers, I mean it's
really been like for me, Chris bus like Chris Busche,
Robert Williams the third and then like maybe like maybe
Valentunis and he's the one that I would want, But
it's purely out of nostalgia from you know, watching him
do terrible things to the Clippers. It's more out of
that than like, you know, where he is currently as
a player.
Speaker 1: I think Tyler could get him to do what we
need a backup center to do better than Mobamba can
do it. So I say make the trade. Oh yeah,
it's still an upgrade.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's still an upgrade.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an upgrade if they do it without having
to give up anyone who's playing tangible minutes for the Clippers,
and like, like, don't include Jordan mill or anything like that, Like, yeah,
make it include Jordan Millan. We'll say get him out
of here.
Speaker 2: That's what it takes to get it done. I'll get
it done.
Speaker 3: But no one else, Like and yeah, Mobaba did raise
his three by four percent last night in one game.
Speaker 1: That is true. That is a very good point. I
gotta let that if we if that keeps going, he's
going to be at one hundred percent. We're going to
be unstoppable like the time the playoffs come.
Speaker 2: Because that's the only thing we need in our backup center.
Speaker 1: Shoot more threes. Yeah, I think the Clippers are going
to be kind of hanging out. Uh, I don't know if.
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if there wasn't a move for
a backup center though sure, yeah, I guess I'm not
like not shots just given what you know, what we
have to give and what's available. But I thought to
be getting made. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We thought they were going to do it last year though, right,
and they didn't get anybody big Plumbing Tice was not
a great combination. They Tys did what he could.
Speaker 1: I got yelled at for saying that that Tyson wouldn't
work as a backup. Five people were yelling at me
about that.
Speaker 3: They were right to. But I wonder at this point,
Mason Plumbley's probably better than Mobamba. And all I asked
for this season was Mobamba to be better than Mason
Plumbley was last year. And I don't know if he
has been.
Speaker 1: I don't think he has been.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yeah, I'm not. I wouldn't go there.
Speaker 1: They both have different frustrations. Mason Plumbley's frustration is that
he brings the ball up and thinks that he's playing
for the Showtime Wakers. Mobamba's frustration is the he somehow
doesn't have any go to post moves. Will was talking
about he's like just have a hook. He didn't even
have a hook or something, and he like he'll make
a three and then not get back fast enough and
his guy will just score in the post. So like
it's not ideal, but again it just goes back to that,
like I just think, Tyler, you can coach that guy
to do better than what Mobam is doing for his role.
It's not like groundbreaking, but it's like, just please do
what we're supposed to do. So we can spell Nico too,
because he's been playing the five a bunch, Like we
gotta think about that. Like the more we play, we
go small. It's more miles on an older Nico too,
So like they gotta get a back up five. No
one's good on the bio market.
Speaker 3: Like in the meantime, why not give Kobe Brown a
couple more games here before the trade deadline. I thought
he'd looked good enough.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of chances for him to
maybe play. Send us your trade ideas over at Clippers
Poor or at Fallout of a on Twitter, or at
Clippers Podcast over on YouTube. We're gonna talk the Clippers
playing a lot of games. In this next segment, there's
gonna be a quick audio break. But if you're watching,
as we'll mention, there's just kind of a I don't
know ominous is the right word, but a little zenful
pause we do in between segments. So there's gonna be
a zenful pause. And then we're talking the Clippers playing
every other day until the back to back in three
two one Outam was supposed to bring us in, but
I think he froze.
Speaker 2: Longer than normal zenful pause on this one. But I
get getting getting right back into it. Clippers, you know
it's coming out of them. Four and five still got
a lot of games coming off, as Chuck Liuer do.
They got a game every other day from the twenty
sec event all the way to the eighth of February. Uh,
and then you know, a tasty little back to back
on the twelfth. In the thirteenth, Charles, what do you think,
Obviously the timing of the schedule is difficult. What do
you think about this slate of opponents? Is this gonna
present uh? Is this gonna present an inordinate challenge for
the Clippers or should this be could this be a
time to sort of keep tightening things up, tuning on
a little less of what we saw in that second
half of Washington and a little bit more of I
don't know, second universe the Celtics.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. Yeah, So it's how many one, two, three, four, five?
It's nine games? I don't know, like I hope they go.
I think they can go six and three. I would
be fine with five and four because I think they
should go six and three because it's the Spurs, the Hornets,
the Raptors, the Jazz twice and then for like the
good opponents, they're gonna have to play good. It's Bucks, Lakers,
pacer Is, Grizzlies, all very not easy games. Kawhi is
gonna miss the Grizzlies of the Jazz game because that's
a back to back. So if they can, if they
go five and four with Kawhi missing a game, I
feel okay about it. Adam, how are you feeling about
this upcoming slate of games every other day and then
a back to back?
Speaker 3: Oh no, every other day is looking pretty good. They
have the.
Speaker 2: Other day to put away. They have to put away Spurs, Hornets, Raptors,
and the Jazz both times. That I mean, that gets
you five out of your nine right there, like, just
take care of business like against those teams, and if
you can get if you could go five hundred against Bucks, Lakers, Pacers, Grizzlies,
you're you're doing pretty good. Seven and two, baby.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say seven and eleven and two. Okay, Adam,
where are you at? Seven and two?
Speaker 3: Hey, they can go one and eight, But if they
beat the Lakers, I'm good.
Speaker 1: What about the mentality we need?
Speaker 3: No, uh, I'll sign up for five and four with
a win over the Lakers. Of course, I would take that.
Speaker 2: You guys have too lowest, good enough enough.
Speaker 3: I just these are the dog days.
Speaker 1: So I put that part into is it the All
Star break? Like these guys what we saw in that
second half against the Wizards, Like, if we get any
of that verse, like, I don't think it's gonna happen
against you know, Lakers, Pacers, Grizzlies, Bucks. If we get
some of that against the Spurs, that's a team that
can be annoying and grab a win. I'm not really
worried about the Raptors. The Jazz. I just get a
hiccup with that, just because we play him twice And
there's always kind of weird when you play a team
twice and a short ish amount of time, So I
think there's maybe a chance we split that because again,
there might there's probably gonna be a rest day because
one of the Jazz games is part of a back
to back with the Grizzlies, so that's the twelve and
thirteenth back to back, So we might see a big
ass rest day against the Jazz at some point. Six
and three, I'm switching. I'm going to six and three.
Give me six and three.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's a definite that they're gonna win
all those games, but they they should. I mean, if
they don't put away at least four of those, i'd say,
you gotta yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, if they don't, If they don't win four of
the Spurs, Hornets, Raptors, Jazz, Jazz, there's something going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go on five and four. It's a tough stretch.
It is in some ways, absolutely, But five and four
iron sharpens iron, my friends, that's too close to four
and five.
Speaker 1: Four and five would be a damn nightmare.
Speaker 3: How haven't the Spurs been playing really well? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right about it.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're a better team than we're giving
them credit for, Right now and that Memphis game. Memphis
is going to be pissed after what the Clippers did
to them.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, the Memphis game, I'm that I'm that one.
I might be penciling in as a loss.
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of accepting there could be a bad
road loss because road games are hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, we're only a game.
Speaker 2: We're only a game and a half up on the MAVs.
So if it goes four and feel four and five
over that stretch. Obviously it depends on what they do.
But it seems like they're kind of consulting in their sales.
Speaker 1: Lively's hurt. Yeah, hmmm, So that's actually that's a great
segue into standings prediction as of the at the All
Star break, what do you guys think the Clippers are
going to be in? Standing wise? Right now? The Clippers
are six as well mentioned, they are a game and
a half out of the play in and they are
three games out of the much wanted home court advantage
four seed. Adam, at the All Star break, excuse me,
where do you think the Clippers will be?
Speaker 3: I want to say they're still in the sixth spot. Okay,
I'm worried about it, but I'm going to say they're
right where they are because the Lakers have the Grammy
road trip coming up, so they have some easier teams there,
but they are out on the road. Maybe they chase
them down if they've beat them in this upcoming game,
that'll help them. They beat the Lakers, they could be
in the five spot.
Speaker 2: Why do we also have like a weird road trip
during the Yeah, no one's ever gotten to the bottom
of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do we have a road trip to during
this time?
Speaker 2: The Clippers also have a Grammy road trip. Essentially, it's
like they just copy paste the schedule from the previous year.
Speaker 3: It's the key of form road trip. I got a
lot of.
Speaker 1: You're saying fifth.
Speaker 3: Nah, I'm gonna stick with six. I'm gonna play it.
Say six, pot.
Speaker 1: Will Where do you think the Clippers will be?
Speaker 2: I I'm unfortunately, I think they're gonna stand stand pad
at six going into the All Star break and yeah,
then it's really the ball is just really gonna be
in their court as to if they can make up
enough ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm having I.
Speaker 2: Think the most likely playoff scenario is them in the
four or five matchup. I'm not gonna say where.
Speaker 1: The break right? Yeah? Yeah, I think if they're going
six sin three, with as Adam said, one of those
wins being against the Lakers, I think they could take
the fifth spot possibility. They're right there, we're tied with
the Lakers. Effectively. Yeah, I'm gonna go fifth with a
question mark on it, but I feel okay about it.
Speaker 3: Could depend on Kawi's minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we didn't really touch on that. It seems
like that uh Tyler gave a coy answer in regards
to Kawhi's minutes restriction, which means I think by February
that's probably done with would be my guess, And.
Speaker 3: I did make fair I made a stupid prediction that
I think he's gonna go up with his minutes tomorrow
against Milwaukee. Oh this outside of Okay, before the game
last night, you talk about coach Lubi and Cooy, he
had said he couldn't remember when it came to whether
or not they've extended his minutes limit, and he was
still at twenty four. So it kind of made me think,
is he that close to getting to twenty eight or
to getting to thirty minutes, not to thirty five, but
to twenty eight or thirty. I could see that tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Thirty tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, well, the bucks are good,
so we will probably need thirty minutes of Kauai. Yeah,
I like that idea. Yeah, he's not going to jump
ten minutes though, that'd be crazy. Oh that was the
other part about the Lawrence interview. He made it very
clear as clear as he could that basically what Adam
just said, he's not jumping up to thirty five, like
this is a progressional minutes restriction lift. So yeah, I
think thirty minutes in the next week couple games when
they play so many games, like, I think think that's
definitely on the horizons.
Speaker 3: Did say he's in the final phase of his rehab phase.
That was the wording.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: The end is insight, the end does lie.
Speaker 1: All right, that about wraps things up. We're gonna be
doing some postgame lives on the coming days because there's
a bunch of games. We're gonna do a full episode
when we get that all figured out. Well, where can
people leave reviews for this podcast? Or perhaps go even
further and want an alert every time we put out
an episode.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so if you wanted to review this podcast.
You could do that over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.
You can even leave comments over on Spotify. I don't
know if people have been doing that, but you should.
But if you want to, if you want to get
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however you.
Speaker 1: Consume the show, you know we appreciate you. We absolutely do.
And before we get out of here, Adam, as the
sun sets on your car, we need one positive thing
for these Clippers fans heading into the weekend.
Speaker 3: So Milwaukee's been playing some pretty good ball. They're eight
and two of their last ten games. When you look
at the opponents, it makes a little bit less impressive.
I'm not saying big frauds, but I am saying their
offensive and defensive rating that has been both top five
the last ten games, it's probably a little bit inflated.
They haven't played a lot of good teams, and in fact,
the best team they played in the Knicks during that stretch,
they got beat up. So I think it's a big
game for the Clippers. Tomorrow in a game they should
a game they have a great chance of winning.
Speaker 1: There we go from Adam's Mouth to the Clippers God's Ears.
Thank y'all for hanging out. Have a good rest of
your weekend everyone, stay safe, supposed to rain, which hopefully
that's the good rain about the bad rain. And yeah,
we will talk to you later and as always, let's
go clips.