WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.560 I'm out on the lake and it was absolutely dead calm. 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:06.160 I mean, there wasn't a wrinkle on the water, there 3 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:09.160 was not a puff in the air. Normally there's a 4 00:00:09.279 --> 00:00:12.839 crows and other birds and other situations making noise, but 5 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:16.000 nothing was going on out of nowhere in the big timber. 6 00:00:16.239 --> 00:00:19.239 We're talking old growth, big stuff, a tree and crashing 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:23.120 down for no reason, absolutely no reason that I could 8 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:27.000 figure out, and kind of made me wonder what the 9 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:29.879 heck was going on there, And I started to get 10 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.000 out of the canoe, and you know, this is not 11 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:35.359 very smart. I think, I think I'll just let this 12 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.359 situation timmer and go the other way. And I've had 13 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:41.880 that premonition a couple of times, and I'm kind of 14 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.240 wondering if those are the kind of warnings or situations 15 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:49.719 that had come across. On a different level, it says, Jack, 16 00:00:49.799 --> 00:00:52.719 you need, you need to just go home and be 17 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:53.359 done with it. 18 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.359 I'd like to welcome Jack to the show. Jack has 19 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:32.560 been featured a couple times on the Salish Sasquatch channel 20 00:01:33.159 --> 00:01:36.000 good friends that we both have Jonathan and Sarah Brown 21 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:39.079 great channel. Check it out if you haven't already, and 22 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:45.000 they connected us and Jack was gracious enough to accept 23 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:48.640 my invitation to come on and share his story and 24 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:51.480 some of the stories he's heard along the way in 25 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.959 this crazy world of Bigfoot. Jack, Welcome to the show. 26 00:01:56.000 --> 00:01:56.480 How are you. 27 00:01:57.640 --> 00:01:59.959 I'm doing fine and thank you. Appreciate the welcome. 28 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:04.079 Yeah, of course. So why don't you get things starting 29 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:06.439 off by just telling us a little bit about yourself. 30 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:12.159 Well, I'm one of them older guys. I'm seventy nine, 31 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.400 and if you count the gestation period, i'm eighty. You 32 00:02:15.560 --> 00:02:19.039 get the idea I'm getting up there. I've had a 33 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:23.199 world and a lifetime of experiences and it's been fun, 34 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:28.319 been a lot of fun. And my sweetheart and I 35 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.960 Arla is her name. I know there's another Arla in 36 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.280 the Bigfoot mix out there, but anyway, we've been together 37 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:40.400 for oh man, fifty six years now. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, 38 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:44.039 the same person. Amazing. That's a credit to her, not 39 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.520 to me. When I came home from Vietnam and sixty 40 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:52.400 eight a seven. Rather, I courted my sweetheart and we 41 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:57.039 got married in nineteen sixty eight, sixty seven home, sixty eight, 42 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:02.240 got married and started on that life's journey and it's 43 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.039 been good, been very good for me. I don't know 44 00:03:05.039 --> 00:03:09.680 if it's germane to the conversation, but I became a believer. 45 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:13.360 And I'm not just a Bigfoot believer. I was there 46 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:17.080 before that, but Christian, and so I've kind of patterned 47 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:22.800 my life around that, that philosophy, and that that's part 48 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.360 of what it takes to be who I am. Way back, 49 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:31.400 I remember nineteen cent burgers, fries and cokes, and nineteen 50 00:03:31.479 --> 00:03:36.319 cent gas gallon gas. So that's that's almost just right 51 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.759 fresh off the arc, you know what I mean. We 52 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:44.159 raised a couple of boys, and one of them is 53 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:50.039 an adopted son from Vietnam, half Vietnam Asian and half 54 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:55.120 adventurous soldier. Good men. They're just good men. And it's 55 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.240 been a pleasure to have them. And and when I 56 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:04.199 started on the the bigfoot thing a little later in 57 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:08.280 life in a sense, because you know how it is, 58 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.000 you're raising a family and trying to make things work, 59 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.240 and you haven't got time for a lot of the 60 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.800 extraneous things that you'd like to pursue. I didn't even 61 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:21.879 know I like to pursue them originally, except that in 62 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:28.439 nineteen sixty two. Now that goes back previous. My aunt 63 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:34.439 and her folks had the Port Bragg incident we call it, 64 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:37.639 and we'll get into that here in a couple of minutes. 65 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:42.279 But anyway, that's where that's where I've come from, as 66 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.480 far as that part of my life is concerned, been good. 67 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:50.759 I don't complain. I've been a hunter all my life 68 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:53.560 up until the last few years, and I can no 69 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:55.680 longer hunt, get out there like I want to and 70 00:04:56.360 --> 00:05:01.079 do those things. And I find it very interesting in 71 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:03.920 one respect. For all the time that I've been out hunting, 72 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.759 there have been a few times when something told me 73 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.480 don't go here, and I don't belong here, and I'm 74 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.720 not afraid of bear cougars and all the other paraphernalia 75 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:19.120 that lives out there. But after some rethinking and some 76 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:23.439 adding in and out of different situations, I've come to 77 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.879 the conclusion that I've been a lot closer to mister 78 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:32.639 bigbut than I realize. And of course I have got 79 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.639 all kinds of stories that I've collected over the years 80 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:41.839 and that type of thing. So yeah, I've been around 81 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.160 that rascal and I know of him well. I don't 82 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.839 know if anybody really knows the guy. I want to 83 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:53.399 start right out by saying that I go back and 84 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:58.480 forth on whether it's just another animal or if it's 85 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.959 what is Meldrum would say, a relic commented or something 86 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:08.079 in between. I don't know that any of that has 87 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.199 really been nailed down, so I kind of go back 88 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:16.000 and forth. I want to insult anybody. I just am 89 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.360 what I am, and I say what I say, and 90 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:20.519 it comes out that way. 91 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.120 I mean, I'm the same way. I think anybody that 92 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:29.639 really has looked into this at any great depth and 93 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.199 spent time doing it kind of goes back and forth 94 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.639 between different possibilities all the time. 95 00:06:36.680 --> 00:06:41.600 Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, I've got a list 96 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.279 of people that I whose books I've read, and this 97 00:06:44.399 --> 00:06:47.839 is just a small part of a long list. But 98 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:52.360 I started out with John Green, and then Steinberg, Jeff 99 00:06:52.399 --> 00:07:00.480 Mildram for sure, Bender Nagel, Christopher Murphy, Kranz Burn, Michael 100 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.519 I mean, Robert Michael Pyle. He's more of a local 101 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:09.040 guy here. And then lately I finished up with Matt 102 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:13.120 Pruitt on his phenomenal Sasquatch. And I've got to say 103 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:17.920 that there's only two or three books that I would 104 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:22.000 hold up as stellar accounts of things going on and 105 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:25.480 Matt Really he really shines for me. I really like 106 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:28.759 the way he put things and and kind of nails 107 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:33.879 it for me. I'm at this juncture until I know different. 108 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:40.079 I consider Mishter Bigfoot a biological entity, just like I am. 109 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:43.800 Some people call me more animal than I need to be, 110 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:48.079 but so that fit's well. But anyway, so I treend 111 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:55.879 to separate the phenomenal with the biological. And I know 112 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.959 there's parts of there's people that are solidly in other camp, 113 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.800 and I think it's great, go ahead, you know, bring 114 00:08:03.839 --> 00:08:06.120 the evidence. We'll put it in one big bucket, come 115 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:10.279 out with what he really is eventually. So what I 116 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.519 collect and then we'll get into it here. What I 117 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:19.079 collect over the years are stories that and I call 118 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:23.959 them accounts, where their stories of relationships that people have had, good, bad, 119 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:29.680 or otherwise with mister Bigfoot. And I've had the privilege 120 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.759 of starting out on the positive in other words, I 121 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:38.159 didn't have any negative problems as far as big Foot 122 00:08:38.559 --> 00:08:41.799 or concerns. Some people do. I mean they start out, 123 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.080 they started, the first words out of their mouth is 124 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.240 I don't believe it. It's a myth and all that 125 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.240 kind of stuff. And that's okay. That's what they want. 126 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.360 But I started out with my aunt's folks, and that's 127 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.600 where we'll get into this. And just a second here, 128 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:01.759 my aunt's folks their accounting of of in nineteen sixty 129 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:08.519 two Bigfoot, and I think, so far as I'm concerned, 130 00:09:08.600 --> 00:09:14.279 it's an account of major importance, but not well and 131 00:09:14.320 --> 00:09:16.480 I don't want to say advertised, but we're not well 132 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:22.320 known up and down the Bigfoot community. So there'll be 133 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:27.480 my opportunity to share and hopefully we'll get somewhere with this. 134 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:32.879 You started at the position of you personally knew family 135 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:34.879 members that had encountered these things. 136 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:36.399 Absolutely. 137 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:39.639 I was raised by my great grandparents in anything that 138 00:09:39.639 --> 00:09:43.480 they would have told me was gospel, absolutely. 139 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:47.039 True, the Book of Jack. 140 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:53.080 Yeah, so that's obviously a much different position than starting 141 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:56.960 out as a non believer in encountering one of those things. 142 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:02.720 Yeah. Absolutely. And over the year I started in sixty two, 143 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:07.039 I was sixteen. So over the years, I've really heard 144 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.879 not one argument to say that they aren't here. In fact, 145 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.840 it's harder to prove the negative than it ever would 146 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:19.720 be the positive. So, like Kranz, a global Kranz said, 147 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:22.519 he says, if there's only one and we know it 148 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.879 for sure. I don't care how many accounts or history 149 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.720 or experiences people have had. He's real and that's where 150 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.120 I start too, So it makes it sure, makes it easier. 151 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.960 I guess I'll start with the nineteen sixty two one 152 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.039 because that's the anchor point for me. Is one of 153 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:49.840 the most I think interesting stories that I have out there, 154 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.200 and I just happened to be privileged to be in 155 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.799 the family when it was told. So I'm going to 156 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.759 start out with reading a book. Just happened to pick 157 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.720 it up last night. It's a book by Larry Canute 158 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:07.679 of Alaska Bear Tales. But he's got one line in 159 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.320 here that really kind of fits a situation that I 160 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.960 think is appropriate for all of us, no matter where 161 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:19.519 we're at in the Bigfoot community, and it says, unfortunately, 162 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:25.759 sensationalistic accounts of man bear accounters are often the public's 163 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:30.159 main source of information on bruins. Not only are these 164 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:36.639 accounts exaggerated, but they instill unnecessary fears about the wilderness 165 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:40.840 outdoor experience. Now, if you transpose that and put a 166 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:45.080 big Foot in there, I think that fits. We have 167 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:52.240 an overlay of strange and weird stuff going on out there, 168 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:56.399 and we look, we look at big Foot rather through 169 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.679 that limbs, And I've had to a couple of times 170 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.200 back up and say, what am I looking at? What 171 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.879 am I thinking here? As far as Bigfoot is concerned 172 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:12.519 in that you, is he really that mister ferocious wants 173 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:14.559 to rip our head off? Well, there's I'm sure there's 174 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.679 a few out there that would do that. But in 175 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:24.120 the main, if indeed they were as violent and capable 176 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:28.360 as we are often led to believe, I don't think 177 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.559 there be very many of us left. 178 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:34.679 If that is the case, if they are predators, so 179 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:38.919 to speak. Yeah, the amount of people that have gone 180 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:44.039 out into the woods by theirselves provoking these things, as researchers, 181 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.279 as investigators out there specifically looking for Bigfoot, going to 182 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:50.720 areas where they've been seen, trying to elicit some sort 183 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:56.600 of interaction with them. Nobody's ever been harmed or turned 184 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.679 up missing. Everybody's come home save for the two hunters 185 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:02.799 recently in Washington that you know succumbed to the elements, 186 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.799 and a few stories here and there, But for the 187 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:10.679 most part, you don't really have any stories like that. 188 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:15.600 That's true, It's absolutely true. And if you start on 189 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:19.720 that premise that they're not they're not that they're portrayed 190 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.559 to be, and go at it from a different perspective. 191 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:25.120 I think we're going to make a lot more headway 192 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:31.159 in the final assessment rather of what they are and 193 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:34.360 that type of thing. And this story here will we'll 194 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:37.879 shed some light on it as well. So with all 195 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:43.159 of that, nineteen sixty two, it was February. It was 196 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:48.120 a a rainy kind of black on again, off again night, 197 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:56.919 and is the setting for in Fort Bragg, California. And 198 00:13:56.960 --> 00:13:59.320 there I know that you're the Fort Bragg back easter wise, 199 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.440 but this is Fort Bragg, California, in the northern side 200 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.279 of the state. Now I was sixteen when I first 201 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.279 heard it. I never wrote a thing down. I just 202 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:15.039 listened to my aunt's folks story. They came from down 203 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:17.720 there up here to Washington State to visit, and they 204 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:21.080 brought their story with them and the account with them, 205 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:24.519 and they sat down in our living room and went 206 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:28.039 through it. And the only person that wasn't there was 207 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.879 Uncle Bob, great Uncle Bob, I'll call him. But everybody 208 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:38.080 else was there. And of course I'm sitting there a 209 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:41.399 sixteen year old with a slack jaw looking and listening 210 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.080 to everything that's going on and absorbing all of this 211 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:49.000 as much as possible. So my account might differ a 212 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.960 little bit from what John Green wrote in his book, 213 00:14:53.840 --> 00:14:57.679 and he got into some of that on page thirteen. 214 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:02.399 I think it is Bud Nanjie Jenkins was their name, 215 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:05.960 and Bob I think McKendrick was his was Bob's name. 216 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:10.080 I don't know why that's so, but anyway, so there's 217 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:17.120 that and Bob. Bud and Bob were truck drivers, long 218 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:19.759 haul truck drivers, and they would leave from l A 219 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:24.000 and travel all the way up to Canada, and the 220 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:27.919 midpoint for them at that time was right around Fort Bragg, 221 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:32.080 So they would swing in at night and camp out 222 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.720 for a few hours before they jumped in the rig 223 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.000 and went north or vice or south, vice versa, depending 224 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.039 on which direction they were going. And this particular night 225 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:46.080 and Bud or rather Bob, are you confused yet. 226 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:49.559 We'll try to keep track of it, okay. 227 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:51.919 For Bob would sleep on a couch on the front 228 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.399 in the front room because they didn't have a special 229 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:56.960 room for him and everything else like that. It was 230 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.600 just a little kind of a bungalow house with a 231 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.360 fence around it and a chicken coop and whatnot in 232 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:07.080 the backyard, and anyway, he would sleep on there, and 233 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.919 then in the middle of the night, Angie Bud's wife 234 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:14.840 would she had to get up go to the bathroom. 235 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:20.320 And apparently the clouds were sifting in and out, and 236 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.200 there was a moon kind of in between, and she's 237 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.159 going through the living room toward the toward the bathroom. 238 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:33.840 She looked out her front room window and here's this bear. 239 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:36.639 She was convinced it was a bear at the time, 240 00:16:37.559 --> 00:16:40.159 and crawled over the fence and was getting in her garden. 241 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:46.480 And if you know anything about bears and ladies and gardens, 242 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:51.720 you know that bear was in trouble anyway, so she asked. 243 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.200 She ran back to the bedroom and told Bud to 244 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:59.120 get the shotgun. There's a bear in my garden. And 245 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.799 so he's he's looking for the shotgun, which she had moved, 246 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:05.759 and he then has to look for the shelves, which 247 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.960 they never did find. And oh, I wish I'm thankful 248 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.480 for quite frankly, but in the hubub and the chaos, 249 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:16.400 Bob got up and said, what's going on, and of 250 00:17:16.559 --> 00:17:19.240 course she told him, and he said, oh, my goodness, 251 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:20.799 I'll just run out of her and yell at it. 252 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.799 It'll go away, no big deal. So he goes out 253 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:29.519 through the front room door and to do what he 254 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:32.079 needs to do. In the meantime, Bud comes out and says, 255 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.839 where's Bob. He's down around the corner of the house 256 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.599 or something. He's yelling at the bear. So they both 257 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:43.480 walked up to the front room door and there's a 258 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:47.119 screen door, kind of an alcove type of thing. Anyway, 259 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:49.519 it was the front door, and they look down the 260 00:17:49.559 --> 00:17:53.799 sidewalk and here's Bob. He's on his hands and knees, 261 00:17:53.880 --> 00:18:00.680 crawling back into the house. And right behind him, literally 262 00:18:01.319 --> 00:18:08.279 right behind him, was this tall, eight foot tall bigfoot. 263 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:12.000 Now they didn't know that by name, what a bigfoot was. 264 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.160 They had never encountered such a thing, knew nothing about it. 265 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:21.119 It was all brand new experience, absolutely new. And but 266 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.880 Bob is crawling in, he crawls in the door of 267 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:31.079 the house, and as he gets there, Bud and Angie, 268 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:34.799 of course, they're in shock themselves. They don't know what's 269 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:37.720 going on. They both are hanging onto the screen door 270 00:18:37.720 --> 00:18:40.799 and they want to shut shut the screen door. Well, 271 00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:45.079 the bigfoot sasquatch, whatever you want to call him. He 272 00:18:45.160 --> 00:18:47.880 walks right up there. He was there, and he was 273 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:54.839 bent over to look inside at the place. And the 274 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:58.279 doorframes on those were seventy eight inches I think standard. 275 00:18:58.279 --> 00:19:01.400 I you know, it might be an insure too different, 276 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:03.839 but that's pretty standard. So it had to bend over 277 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:06.599 quite a ways to look in. And they're looking at 278 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.599 each other across the space of a couple of feet, 279 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.000 I mean they're they're right there where they can count 280 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:20.319 the cavities in his teeth, and and the the animal 281 00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:24.200 had that look on his face of just super curios 282 00:19:24.359 --> 00:19:28.279 curious curiosity all over him and going through the motions 283 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:31.200 there and bent over and everything else like that. Well 284 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:35.519 at that particular point, but and Angie did weren't curious 285 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:40.440 at all. They just were away and their curiosity was gone. 286 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:42.680 They're trying to shut the door and it wouldn't shut, 287 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:46.680 and they didn't or the screener wasn't shut. They couldn't 288 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.319 understand what was going on, and they're in a state 289 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:52.680 of shock and any number of things of that nature. 290 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.039 And so pretty soon they got wise and they just 291 00:19:57.200 --> 00:20:02.079 backed away and shut the main door. And after they 292 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:06.599 shut the main door, they the animals stood there for 293 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:09.119 a couple of seconds, a few minutes whatever. I don't know. 294 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:11.640 I wouldn't, I don't. I didn't have a stopwatch on it. 295 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.960 I wasn't there. But then it turned and left and 296 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:17.240 it faded off into the dark, and it was gone. 297 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:22.680 Well it took They called the They called the sheriff 298 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.720 out of fair, out of Fort Bragg, and told them 299 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:29.559 what had gone on. And that was about four in 300 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:35.960 the morning, I guess all this transpired. And so there 301 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.720 they're waiting there for the sheriff to come out, which 302 00:20:39.720 --> 00:20:42.920 what didn't take very long, and it was fading to day. 303 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:49.200 I was beginning to get daylight anyway, and poor poor 304 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.079 Uncle Bob, he couldn't hold a cup of coffee for 305 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:59.359 about half an hour. She shaken so bad. And anyway, 306 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:01.759 they came out. They took some plaster casts of the 307 00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:07.599 feet and took the information down, and and this that 308 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:11.640 and the other thing. And I'm not one hundred percent 309 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:14.400 sure they believed everything. Could it'd be pretty hard not 310 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:17.759 to believe some family like that caught in that situation. 311 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.759 I mean, you may not know what to take make 312 00:21:19.799 --> 00:21:23.160 of it, but believing that they had the encounter was 313 00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:29.119 very real and and uh that type of thing. So 314 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:33.759 within a day or two or something, I don't know 315 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:39.680 exact exact time frame, but there was a professor Edward 316 00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:44.240 I think is his name, out of Ashland, Oregon, which 317 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.000 is you know, due north there a bit, and I 318 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:52.440 think he was an art professor. Some of those things 319 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:56.319 are very vague, but they're known, and if you want 320 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:00.000 more information, if you want specific information, you could get 321 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:05.400 hold of Daniel Perez of Bigfoot Times or Cliff Barrickman. 322 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:10.400 They've got they've got a copy of the handprint inside 323 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:15.759 the museum there. I've seen it three different times. But anyway, 324 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.519 he came down and he traced he traced the hand 325 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.640 on the that was left the print that was left 326 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:28.839 on the door sill. It's pretty mighty enough enough what 327 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:32.240 do you call it dirt on the hand of the 328 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:35.240 print to make a pretty good print out of it, 329 00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:40.200 and from the heel by the wrist to the top 330 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:43.079 of the farthest finger, who was eleven and a half 331 00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:44.559 or eleven and three quarters long. 332 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:45.240 Wow. 333 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:49.599 Yeah, I've heard that they have some massive hands, and 334 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.960 I believe it. But anyway, that's that's the length of 335 00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:57.599 the hand and that was impressive enough all by itself. 336 00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:04.640 So anyway that that happened, and I've been told that 337 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:08.359 somebody said, well, they tracked it for five miles. Well, 338 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.279 if you've been been listening to any of the Bigfoot accounts, 339 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:16.920 tracking a Bigfoot for five miles in anything but snow 340 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.160 is just about an absolute impossibility. They may have found 341 00:23:22.240 --> 00:23:26.119 track another track somewhere five miles out, but they didn't 342 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:28.839 track it that if, I don't think. But anyway, that's 343 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:32.400 the upshot of that whole situation. And it'd been written 344 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:37.599 up and talked about, and I listened. I listened to 345 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:39.240 it with rapt attention. 346 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:43.119 I'll tell you, I bet what were they there to 347 00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:45.839 tell the story? Specifically? Is that why they were visiting. 348 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:48.279 They didn't come up there saying, let me, let's go 349 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:50.559 talk to the folks, I mean my folks, But they 350 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:54.680 were in They came up because my aunt and my 351 00:23:55.799 --> 00:23:59.240 uncle uncle Ollie, they lived close to us up here 352 00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:01.839 when they came up to visit. And it wasn't very 353 00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:07.160 long afterwards that they they came up and made the 354 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:11.079 extra extra special to come over to the house and 355 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:16.039 tell the story. And very very glad that they did, 356 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:18.599 because that's been kind of a high water mark in 357 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:20.039 our in our family. 358 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:23.759 I can imagine. So how did they how did they 359 00:24:24.119 --> 00:24:28.759 present it to you? And because back then, I mean 360 00:24:28.799 --> 00:24:31.640 like like you're saying Bigfoot wasn't even a thing yet. 361 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:36.440 No, well it was getting to be a thing obviously. 362 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:39.880 But yes, they said, we had an account, we had 363 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.880 this is what happened. And somebody had told them by 364 00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:47.079 that time that that this was supposedly a real thing 365 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.480 in California, and this that and the other thing. So 366 00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:52.839 they were getting educated real quick. Let's put that one. 367 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:57.720 I bet yeah. And one of the things I forgot 368 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.720 to well, I didn't forget. I actually held back on 369 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:06.640 telling Jonathan and Sarah about this part because I really 370 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:11.359 wasn't sure of it myself. And that's when Bob went 371 00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.920 out to chase the bear off. He stuffed his face 372 00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:18.200 right in the chest of this animal. 373 00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:23.079 Ran right into it, and I thought, you know that 374 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:24.079 I don't believe that. 375 00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.519 It's hard to believe. I mean that that's a little 376 00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:29.400 bit of hyperbole and this that and the other thing. 377 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:37.880 But after I had the conversation with Jonathan and Sarah 378 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.359 about what had happened, I made a phone call to 379 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:46.640 one of my cousins of my aunt Shirley's son, and 380 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.440 I asked him about that. I says, no, is that 381 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.880 just add on? Is that hyperbole, drama whatever? He says, Oh, no, 382 00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:58.240 that actually happened. It's the real mac which is apparently 383 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.519 one of the reasons that he he came crawling back. 384 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:08.480 And you know, I think that between between that and 385 00:26:08.519 --> 00:26:11.279 the fact that the animal never never made a move 386 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:16.400 that was it could have been construed as vicious or 387 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.559 mad or mean or whatever, and it still had its 388 00:26:20.680 --> 00:26:23.559 presence of mind whatever that is, to come up to 389 00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:27.119 the door and look inside the house full of curiosity. 390 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.480 That's one of the reasons that I am convinced they're 391 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.799 not They're not what we think they are. There's there's 392 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.480 there's a little bit more to them than that, and 393 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.119 and I've always so anyway, they validated that, and I said, 394 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.680 are you sure. He says, oh no, We've all talked 395 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:48.000 about that exact same thing for years. And I said, okay, 396 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:53.400 I'm going to let that information out. And but I 397 00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:59.200 didn't want to throw something out there that nobody would 398 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:02.559 willing to buy into, you know what I mean, Yeah, 399 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:08.119 for sure. I was looking for clarity, not chaos and 400 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.000 the real as opposed to false. So all of that 401 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:15.920