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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred

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and thirty seventh episode of The Geek First Podcast. I'm

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the clown Prince of Dancing Tres. Now I'm joined by.

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Speaker 1: What am I doing here? Freaking bouncer?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doctor Paynedolmus the twenty bucks to the field.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ladies, gentlemen, you probably wouldn't guess by the nicknames,

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but luckily you probably saw that episode pop up in

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your feeling. Oh man, a GV classic, Because here we are, here,

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we are talking about Venom once again. We've been on

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quite the road with Venom and the Sony movies. You

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can go back. We reviewed everyone of these suckers, and

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these three gentlemen will review Craven in December. I hope

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still that I'm excited. I'm excited December thirteen or fourteenth,

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when I'm not here to get that notification. And I

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don't even just listen to the full episode. I don't

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even care, Like I don't even know if I'll like

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stop with the non spoils. So these are always an

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event in a different way, I think for the geek first,

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because I've this is the most I'm gonna start keeping

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track now. I had four people literally told me like,

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I'm not seeing the movie, but I can't wait for

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your review, I think. And that's just the start of

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this week. Like I feel like we get every once

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in a while like oh yeah, we'll skip that. There's

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I feel like there's maybe one other movie in our

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ten years that people like, yeah, we're just gonna listen

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to the review. But definitely, And I could see by

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the theaters because we had I counted Taylor, we had

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twenty six people in the theater, so it went up

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from the three originally, but we had twenty six. Yeah,

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not too for every litter of the alphabet. Yeah, it

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looked pretty pretty empty. And we had some fucker beside

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us that like, oh man, minie rant before we get

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in the actual review. Here there, our row is pretty

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much empty. It's me and Tanya in the middle of

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row I at the very end, so like ten seats over,

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there's two guys. That's completely fine. On our right side,

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there's no one there. But then someone bought a ticket

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right beside me, so it goes Taylor, me and that guy.

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And then I said to you, like, there's no way

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I'm fucking sin there. So I sat beside Taylor and

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he like gave me an tay like the death look

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like he was mad that I didn't sit beside him.

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And I'm like, unless someone comes for I twelve, I'm

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not doing that. I've said this fan Well, then he

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said something I've said on so many reviews. My mind

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is not wide that way. I don't fucking get it.

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There's a bunch of empty seas, there's empty There's a

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whole row in front of us Taylor that was empty.

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He could have sat by himself there. The fact that

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he chose, like, oh, these two guys are just in

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beside each other. I'm gonna sit right there. Fucking weird.

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Oh Sam, that's number five. Probably not seeing the movie,

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but looking forward to listening. And that's all I was

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gonna say. Where Uh, I just feel like that's the

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the venom ness of it all. You know, I'm gonna

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go first year just because I'm talking about theater experience

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where you look at venom one me Cricklingdale. We saw

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it together. I remember the whole theater. It was a

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pack theater, and I remember people were laughing, had a

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good time. We've told those many times where people clapped

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at the end of that. Right now, the Carnage one,

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that was tough because that was COVID, so like not

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as many people were going, but definitely like I remember

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being more full for that than this. But to compare,

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so take all that one because COVID. To compare Venom

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one and Venom three, it's just we had like four

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people highness that were laughing. But I think those were

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the only people consistently consistently laughing throughout the whole movie.

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up there watching a comic bomb and it's it's so funny.

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It's so it's so funny that they asked Tom Hardy

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and he's like, you know, do you do you see

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yourself going past this? In the media and on the

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movie he didn't break the fourth wall thing like do

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you see another venom mita because he had said he's

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done and he's like, no, like I've left everything out there,

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but at the same time, at this movies like, I

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don't think I could do this again. If there's a

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team up, if he's inspirement for if he's in secret war, sure,

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talk to me then, but like I legitimately just feel

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like I've seen all these comic movies. I've said, oh,

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point where I multiple times like I'm tapping out like

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jokes that I don't like, it's still the venom I

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don't like. But then just as like I feel like

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this is the worst as far as steaks and character motivations.

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we can't let this happen, and then they let this

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happen to have a fucking Dan scene, which you've seen

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the trailers, but it's like, it's not just a Dan scene.

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implications towards multiple characters, but it's just like, no, we're

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just we're just gonna do it, you know, And it's

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just and it's funny because we have stuff like I

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don't people are gonna bring up oh Dead bulls dance

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scenes and Chathak but it's like, no man like this

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is they set something up and they just spin your

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face and that's everything. All these characters. I hate seeing

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this this was bad for me. It's the worst of them.

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It's very difficult. My last non spliters thoughts is we

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it's well one. It's impressive that Sony gave us this

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a Madam Web in the same year, arguably to the

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worst CA movies ever same yere, so congrats to them,

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but it's very tough. Where even Madam Webb, I said,

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I don't even know if that's the worst comic because

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we've got Catwoll, when we got Steel, we got How

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the Duck, like we reviewed me of those, and like

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even the Fantastic Four when we did on our retro

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for ninety four. It's like there's movies like technically that

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are worst. But I could see people make the case

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for it this. I don't know if I can make

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the case again for it being top ten for like

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on a critical level, but for me personally, I think

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it's like Suicide Squad, where oh, Markot Robbie's great and

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there's some choices here, and you know it's not the

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worst ever. But for me, it's like that's for not

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just a joker, but other things. That's a bottom ten

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coma movie. I think this is here where Madam Webb.

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and ask me what would I rather watch again and

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at least for me, it's like it's like bad good

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where this is just like depressing bag, especially that dance scene.

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low I could, I don't. I can't wait to talk

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to Spoys and see how Kirkham was feeling about it, because,

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like I all on the trays we knew it was coming,

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but they somehow made it even worse and it just Yeah,

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maybe made time awful. Make a couple of lists here,

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bottom or the bottom ten, it's very close. So yeah,

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was doing many other things. Thank God for popcorn because

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that really got me through this one. So I digress.

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So look, Sam says, Okay, definitely not seeing it now

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after that glowing wrap.

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Speaker 1: Up, you know, well wait to see what everyone thinks exactly.

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Speaker 2: Maybe these guys loved it. Return to form.

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Speaker 1: Man, you said, thank god for popcorn, Thank God for friends,

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because without my two friends Tyler and Lisa, I would

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have had to see this movie alone, and that would

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have been awful experience. I saw Enhim two alone and

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still kind of scarred from that one. Your ears haven't

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revisited that movie since. And it's funny you should bring

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up that dancing scene because when we were leaving in

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the car, Tyler's like, you know in the dancing scene,

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I looked over to you and like my head was

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just in my hands. I was rubbing my eyes. I

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thought I was prepared from the trailer, but to actually

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get the full length in the movie, yeah, that was

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that was something else. I guess I'm talking. I I'll

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just keep going. Uh yeah, this one, this one, I

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don't want to say it hurt me because like I

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was pretty set for like what to expect just coming

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off of Venom two. Trailers weren't doing anything for me,

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like I was expecting Bottom Barrel, but it still managed

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in certain aspects. All of the humor that was like forced,

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there was. This was pretty bad. There was multiple plot

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type experience that. Yeah, like it's it's still felt not

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too dragging along. I think it's maybe because I was

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expecting us to actually get some of these plot points

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answered or like touched upon, and we didn't get that.

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and uh yeah it was. It was pretty awful. I'm

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I'm pretty disappointed. This is how we're We're ending off

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just just Tom Hardy's Venom journey.

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Speaker 2: But it's not like it started great, you know.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's the thing. Maybe I was just

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just I tempered my expectations, but maybe I'll still open

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to some surprises and surprises I got weren't good. But

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to you guys about. And overall not loving this movie.

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it's a tough pill.

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Speaker 2: I yeah, what about Joker Too or this tulton ass

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Speaker 1: Ooh, Joker two? I would pick Joker Too.

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Speaker 2: Joker two by a fucking millennia. Like, if you told

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me you can either watch the Venom Trilogy or Joker

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two three times I will pick Joker two three times

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like that.

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Speaker 1: There's at least Joker too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. There's at least like great cinematography, great acting.

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There's not even like chrisaid this song choice. It's like

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somebody watched it pull Over and like we can do that.

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We have three movies and it's like, no, man, you can't,

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you can't do it. I will lead to Taylor. Now

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I'll leave del Laskaz. Taylor, you've seen Joker two, so

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you can answer that as well. Joker if you had

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to watch, You've seen both movies. Now, let's say you know,

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January rolls around for some reason, Madison wants to watch

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these two. What are you convinced her to watch again?

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I've probably seen two, the Big short Joker two. There

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you go. We're three for three for the Joker two

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versus Fitch.

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen Joker two, but I'd rather go see that.

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Speaker 2: Trust me, there's more you could find there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah, So this uh, this is my first

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reviewed because I wasn't on that review. It wasn't like

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the second one either of that review. So, yeah, well

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this is definitely, my far, not a great movie.

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feel Taylor shuffling in his chairs the whole time, like, oh,

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even Taylor's met his rope there. But I think in

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not It was not working for me. Even this isn't

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a spoiler, but just at the very very start of

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this movie, they're trying to do like this this joke,

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and it just was not It was not working. It

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was not my kind of humor.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it just wasn't working. Uh, And that, Like

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that being said, I think that if this movie came

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Speaker 1: Digits, I've been hundred let's just get crazy.

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was like a twenty eleven to twenty fifteen styled superhero movie.

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Speaker 1: Later ago, you know.

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Speaker 4: But that being said, like I did enjoy the fight

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of like fight and everything like that. Actually really enjoyed

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going on. But again, the writing and this story is

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what really just kind of it's just it's it's not great,

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and there's just a lot of plot holes. When you're

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trying to keep up with what's going on, it's like, well,

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this doesn't really make sense. Why is this character deciding

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to do this? When this this and so forth, and

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so it really kind of pulls it apart. But I

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it for what it is, I don't know, you might

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not still enjoy it, but at least you can still

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kind of sit back and just absorb just the fun

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some point you will YouTube just the third act battle?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I absolutely will.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I was watching that. That was like Iron Man

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two coded I'm like, oh, Tayo's gonna love this. Like

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when Ironman and war Machine face off against a bunch

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like Tony's like Iron Legion whatever.

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Speaker 3: You call them, fire guys stuff, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, extremis extra ext We got one of those in

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this movie pretty much, and they didn't do anything cool

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of them. He just looked like fire.

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of venom one. I did have a good time at

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the theater. It was a fun time watching it with

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you guys and just laughing at the insanity of it.

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Not when I've ever rewatched nor thought about. And I

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think my memory of it is greatly faded since then

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as well, and I still to this day I have

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not seen the second one. I plan to. I even

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planned to do the littlest of homework and watch a

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YouTube five minute recap. I didn't get around to it.

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So if you want to call me a bad podcast

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or give me one star review, go for it. But

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I did not. I've not seen Venom two yetnam here

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jumping into third one, I don't feel like I missed

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anything story wise. I feel like I understood everything that

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was going on. So, for for what it's worth, I'll

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put that out there. This is a weird one because

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you know, looking at like the the writer director is

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the same person, so kind of connection there. And then

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Tom Hardy's Lyssa's a writer on this as well, and

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obviously he's the star. So between those two like kind

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of the creative power from the outside, At least for

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me sitting here in my podcast here, it seems like

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the creative duo that kind of really made this thing happen,

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the brain Trust, the brain trus, and I feel like

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they achieved exactly what they wanted to. I feel like

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they made the exact movie they want to. They're like, hey,

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this is the third Venom outing. Let's get some crazy

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scenes in there. Let's get some viral dancing scenes. Let's

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do some crazy horse stunts. Let's have some huge battles,

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Let's have some like emotional beats between the characters. And

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then also I don't know what they were really playing

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with some of these side characters, because I think that's

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where the biggest mess is. I really don't even have

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that many issues with story wise in terms of what

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Eddie Brock is, how he's acting in this, and how

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he's working with Venom. It's more the side characters that

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make either so little sense they're not given enough, or

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it's just like the family stuff. I'll just say that

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in the no spoiled way. The family stuff it off

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my screen, please, it is. It is atrocious. So yeah,

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I think they achieved exactly they wanted to, but it's

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just absolutely zero percent what I want out of a movie.

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So I am with you guys that I did not

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enjoy this one at all. I think that the Madame

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so bad. It's good in a way, right, Like you're

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watching it, you're making fun of it, you're laughing at it.

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and it's like this is just such a train wreck,

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and it's it's kind of a fun theater experience once

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you know, watch it one time. That was not the

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case here. I did have one small laugh, so I'll

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give the movie that it got me chuckling at one moment,

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but that was it. I did not like the I

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did not like the fights in this. I thought they

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were too goofy and confusing and didn't really there's cgi

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black mixer. It was a bit too, bit too messy,

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you know, which is what it definitely is. But yeah,

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it didn't really work for me there. So yeah, and

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for me is just like the main plot that is

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accurring here, and like Eddie Brock's journey, there's like nothing

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like he's just going to a place for no reason

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and then you know, things occur around him, but there's

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just there's like nothing happening. It's really odd. It's like

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what they chose to do.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of like how disconnected the villain seems

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to be from from what his journey is, it's just

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an odd, odd choice, odd movie. So yeah, I did

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not enjoy this one. And and of course I didn't

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really have fun with how bad it was either, So

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it was just it was just bad. I was there alone,

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the person next to me laughing up a storm. They

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were singing along to a song and the credits, so

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they they were eating it up, and they popped off

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a little bit when the post post credit scene popped up. Uh,

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So you know, maybe I got a little bit of

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enjoyment out of their enjoyment, but probably not.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to break it down with you guys,

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but this was This was not a not a good

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time the theater. You know what, I'm not gonna go back.

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I'm not gonna go see Venom too. I'm just gonna

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leave that off my record. I will never have watched it.

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Speaker 2: Literally too mins. Gay, I'm gonna finish it now, You're like,

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you know what, No, I've decided I wanted.

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Speaker 3: To finish it before this, but now that I've seen this,

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what is it all for?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: There's no reason to no unless patrons, if you don't

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want to have your way, you know.

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Speaker 3: But fifteen bucks, I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't need to go back there either. There's

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other choices to do there. But yeah, we're about to

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get into spoilers, so before we do that, just want

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to remind everybody that in about gosh, what is it

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eight nine days whenever this comes out. Extra Life is

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just around the corner November second, at nine am pSTS.

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When we start, we're gonna be staying up for a

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whole twenty four hours. This is our eighth annual charity stream.

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We got eight events. We got lots of stuff. We

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got chess going on, we got trivia, we got charades,

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we got some college football, and then just a string

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of other games. All We've got Twisters in Django, which

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I never asked. I meant to ask Kirkland in the

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Fourth Wall, did you ever find that twisters?

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Speaker 1: Never found it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So I think it's just called twister, like single, right,

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we're gonna play.

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Speaker 2: Two at the same time. Bring, Yeah, it'd be great, okay,

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So I'll have to look at a twister board. But yeah.

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not local, but you know, it's all strong together and

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all that money goes towards the kids and the families

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the video, share the video, tell other people. I just

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said this last cast where I think almost every extra

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life we've had someone donate, we're like, do you know

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that person? You know a person and we never do

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and we never find out. So that's why maybe if

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you can't, other people can. And yeah, it's fun time,

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so we'd very much appreciate it. I'm wearing the shirt

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right now if you want to get the Geek Versus

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we would appreciate you just to come join and uh yeah,

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anything we raised goes there. So we will be right

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back after this with spoilers and we're back, So let's

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start at the beginning there. Well, there's two I guess

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there's two things I want to start with where. So

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we talked about this when we got the trailer right

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where they showed, Okay, how how's the guy from No

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Way Home in this right? Because he's there for different

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the bartender Tao's favorite character. How's the bartender in this? Well,

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they just pretty much explained that Eddie Brock traveled, he

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got sucked through a portal. I know, there's like a

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real beginning with the villain. I'm gonna skip that for

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a second, but he travels through a portal to I

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guess where that guy in his universes at the bar.

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So it's just like his what do they call him

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in Low King everything variant his variant right, So that's

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how they got that cool trailer shot to show, Oh,

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it's connected. I was even surprised because they were doing

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the holes bit again where he's asking about Fanos and

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ask him about this. I'm like, oh, yeah, you guys

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still want to be so connected. But yeah, he got

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that explained that bar guy. We'll revisit him later, but

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he got taken out for just giving some information by chutajefore.

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But anyways, what I was gonna say, Dylan, they did

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explain why he wanted to go to New York. There

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were two reasons. One ven want to see the statue Liberty,

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but two I didn't get the exact line verbiage, but

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he in further there's like someone there that could help

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clear his name. Like he like, I missed that line.

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Speaker 4: You mean the judge that he's got dirty?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is dirt on somebody that can clear his name. Yeah,

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so that's that's Yeah, that's why he's going to New

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York so they can clear Eddie Brock's name from murdering.

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That's the only thing from Carnage Dyling you want to

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god is that guy the detective was just looking into

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Eddie and carn just the whole movie. He gets killed,

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a symbio attaches to him. Yeah, that guy, So that's

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like the only connective, like to shoot a number two

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and they and the media says that he killed him

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by like throwing him off a bell, like very gruesome

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death where I love at the end, they're like, yeah,

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your record's a sponge, like would have questions if they

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like google like Eddie Brock and like killed detective by

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plunging him through like metal rods. But all stricken. We'll

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get there. But that's why they want to get to

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New York a statue liberty and to clear his name,

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which I thought.

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00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,279
Speaker 1: Alright, said, I thought it was just to go there

472
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:56,880
just to hide.

473
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 3: The judge shows up and Venom is aware that Noel

474
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,400
is after him, Like are they even doing that anymore?

475
00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,960
Like trying to get the judge thing done? Because I

476
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,759
feel like they have bigger issues at that point that

477
00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:12,200
I don't think they really care about his name.

478
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 2: They're still going to New York though, right like every

479
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:15,920
time they mentioned all we gotta get to New York,

480
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,400
we gotta go to New York the Apple.

481
00:21:17,559 --> 00:21:21,039
Speaker 1: Like I asked this to Tyler after the movie because

482
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,920
I just feel like Eddie Brock's whole existence is just

483
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,519
an anomaly to me, Like what does he what does

484
00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:30,519
he do if there is no Zeno whatever coming for him?

485
00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:32,599
Like he's just wandering the planet barefoot, and.

486
00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:35,799
Speaker 5: Just like his name, that's what he's I know, I know,

487
00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,960
but I'm I do at the end of the movie,

488
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,480
like now that he's let's say, let's say at the

489
00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,519
end of Venom two, like like like he's just hiding somewhere,

490
00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,559
Like I just don't understand this character. Well if there

491
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,839
isn't like a threat on his life, like like I

492
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,799
just he just seems to be floating through existence like

493
00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:54,680
a schizophrenic with with venom in his mind, just like

494
00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,039
whispering and sweet whatever is into his brain.

495
00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:59,559
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a very odd existence.

496
00:21:59,599 --> 00:22:02,519
Speaker 2: I think has not that it is Isisn's and not

497
00:22:02,559 --> 00:22:05,200
that I love to offend this, but they did essauge

498
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,240
this movie that he's only been together with them for

499
00:22:08,279 --> 00:22:10,559
a year. So when we get our ending montage, it's

500
00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:14,359
like Tom Alredy looked like almost a decade younger, but

501
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,960
it's like, man, he ain't a law in a year.

502
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,119
But no, remember when Carnelis two ends, he gets put

503
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,599
in the malt, the the the MCU. So that's why

504
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:24,160
it's like you would never pick up with him being

505
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,960
normal because there's always something for Addy. The only time

506
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,200
is normal is when Venom one ends and they're gonna

507
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:30,359
like he's gonna.

508
00:22:30,319 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 3: So I guess they're ending of Venom two into this

509
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,920
is like immediate. Then yes, will you say that the

510
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,559
year happens between Venom one and two essentially?

511
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:40,839
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, And you still have to watch No Way

512
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:43,079
Home because if you watch, if you just watch his trilogy,

513
00:22:43,279 --> 00:22:45,200
Vendom gets sucked into a I guess I know the

514
00:22:45,319 --> 00:22:47,640
answer it. But Venom gets sucked into a portal. He

515
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,160
goes to a bar and then he gets sucked out.

516
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,240
If you never watched No Way Home, he just like,

517
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,680
why do you travel multiverses? Oh? Just to talk to

518
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,880
a bar guy and ask him about an alien and stuff.

519
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,519
So but yeah, he's, uh, that's I want to go

520
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,359
to the family because I don't want to forget this

521
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:03,920
point because I'm like, oh in the review, I ever

522
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,200
forget this because Dylan, for they did on for the

523
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:10,160
enjoy of the family scenes, I I did not, as

524
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,680
I didn't as well accept for rafe Ivan's I think

525
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,119
he did a great job playing as Harry Potter character again,

526
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,319
just doing that all that shtick, like earthy and like

527
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,839
I think he had great comedic timing and he carried

528
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:23,960
the third act on his back with some of that stuff.

529
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,000
But it was very odd. I never understood because Kirk,

530
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,000
this is where I'm trying together Kirk, and he asked like, oh,

531
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,680
what would he do now? Like what what's the day

532
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,440
in the life of Eddie Brock For some reason, you know,

533
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:34,920
he gets in the van. They're gonna drop him off

534
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,200
as Vegas because it's close. And he also thinks, like

535
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:41,680
even in this little New Mexico city, cameras see him

536
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:43,960
right away. So he thinks in Vegas one of the

537
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,519
biggest like there's gonna video games everywhere He's gonna hide.

538
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,759
I digress. This whole movie does not care about they

539
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,400
multiple times him and venom be like, oh, we gotta hide.

540
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,839
They're just out in the open doing stuff.

541
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: And their end goal is New York. Where New York.

542
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,759
Speaker 3: They're nowhere near that by the end. Also quick when.

543
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,079
Speaker 2: You're gonna be all over in the surfer gets.

544
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,279
Speaker 3: Filmed by a camera and he walks out of the

545
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:08,119
bar in Mexico, which is the I swear it is

546
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,559
the exact same stock image shot of the camera that

547
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,240
is in Vegas. Like the different stock image shots. It's

548
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,240
freaking different cameras. Like that makes no sense.

549
00:24:19,079 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: I thought the exact same thing.

550
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 2: But anyway, so the back of his family and he's

551
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,400
sitting there right and they're playing in this scene other

552
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,720
than the four peero be hingd its just fucking dying

553
00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:29,799
in front of everybody. It's the scene they're singing, Oh

554
00:24:29,839 --> 00:24:34,039
my god, they're singing Space Aussey by Dave Bowie or Audity. Sorry,

555
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:39,839
they're singing in the whole scene. Eddie Brock hates his family.

556
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,559
He's annoyed. They're doing the whole step Brothers thing right up.

557
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:42,839
Speaker 1: Ha.

558
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm like they're all singing. They had the one like

559
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,640
hate them right And then all of a sudden, like

560
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:52,160
Venom goes, I wish we had this, and it's like

561
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,400
and then literally in five seconds, it's he looks around

562
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,119
and he's like, oh, yeah, this would be nice. It's like, no,

563
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,079
like you, It's just like one I know one movie

564
00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:03,359
writing where you have that scene happen and maybe it's

565
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,240
a little cheesy, but then you do have him join

566
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,960
in and he realized, like, yeah, I would like this.

567
00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:10,480
He shows no signs of wanting a family and liking

568
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:13,079
these people like oh, wanting kids, until Venom's like, wouldn't

569
00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:14,240
it be great if you have this? He's like yeah,

570
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,839
and then they just switched the dynamic where he's like

571
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,400
he's cuddling with his kid, he's bonding with his dad.

572
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,960
But it's like, at no point in these movies that

573
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,039
I ever feel like, oh, Eddie's like he wants a family.

574
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,599
It's I feel like that car scene. They're trying their

575
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,720
best to invoke Logan, where it's like Logan's want all

576
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,839
these things and X men and here's his chance to

577
00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,119
finally get them, and Venom, like Kurkin said, we've never

578
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,759
got any of that. He's always just on the run

579
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,519
doing stuff. So when they tried to shoehorn like he

580
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,359
wants a family. I was like, oh, boy, like this

581
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,920
is like I would take out all even though I

582
00:25:44,039 --> 00:25:46,599
like rise, I'd take out all the family stuff, just

583
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:47,799
chop it, edit gone.

584
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,519
Speaker 1: You know, I'm completely in agreeance with you. I did

585
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:56,119
not need to have the family in here. I I

586
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,400
completely agree with you too. I'm just like trying to

587
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,039
get some sentimental attachment to like the idea of being

588
00:26:02,039 --> 00:26:04,599
a father. And it was just a weird even line

589
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,880
drop of like like you could be a dad, Eddie

590
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,720
like like like that, no, we can't. He's fucking terribly

591
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:13,279
like he's so irresponsible. He was barely holding onto his

592
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:18,000
relationship with uh Michelle Williams in the first film. But

593
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:21,359
I will say that was actually one of the hardest

594
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,880
parts I laughed at in the movie because the family

595
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:30,279
is just saying along and these two lines that just

596
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,079
completely got me. The first one was to shoot me now,

597
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,200
and then the second one was like what, like why

598
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,440
am I even here? And I just laughed so hard, like.

599
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,319
Speaker 3: Literally laughs that they got out of me too.

600
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:43,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my theater experience. I'm like, I'm like,

601
00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:45,680
shoot me now, and what the fuck am I doing here?

602
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,200
Like just experiencing this movie. There he's he's experiencing a

603
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:50,720
song performance and I'm in and.

604
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 2: He hates them. He absolutely hates them.

605
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: It was like the fourth wall breaking moment for me.

606
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,640
I was just laughing so hard to myself.

607
00:26:57,079 --> 00:27:00,079
Speaker 3: It's I find it so funny because I feel like

608
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:03,200
sometimes when you're watching this you forget that Tom Hardy

609
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,880
is a good actor, and in that sequence is like

610
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,599
he's acting really well that he is so annoyed by

611
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,240
this sequence. But yeah, I guess the purpose of that

612
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,759
whole dynamic is really just to like enforce how Eddie

613
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:19,799
and Venom have become this family dynamic and how how

614
00:27:19,839 --> 00:27:23,000
bad he feels at the end of the movie that

615
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,839
that they've been like torn apart from each other. I guess,

616
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,759
so perhaps that was part of it, but I think

617
00:27:27,759 --> 00:27:30,319
it's just trying to throw some earnestness in there. Of Course,

618
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,319
you got to have the shot near the end when

619
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,039
the boy gets like a launch on the watchtower and

620
00:27:35,079 --> 00:27:37,640
of course he jumps off the ledge and saves the well,

621
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:38,480
this whole family.

622
00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:41,279
Speaker 2: I guess that moment when the big explosion, the kids

623
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,759
in the back seat's like Eddie, he's bawling his eyes

624
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,799
out for a guy that like was in his car

625
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,359
for an hour or two probably read.

626
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 3: I feel like they none of them reacted to him

627
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,799
launching the food either, like they didn't seem to care,

628
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640
Like this guy seems unhinged that we offered him a

629
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,640
meal and he just threw it into the back and

630
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,599
we all him a ride and everything. I feel like

631
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,839
they never commented on that.

632
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: I did laugh at the moment though, when he comes

633
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,640
out of the woods and you just have a rise

634
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,279
there at the no friendo just and just just yeah,

635
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,160
his performance. I didn't love the family, but I can

636
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,119
definitely appreciate his performance at least as that character.

637
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I I was laughing. I was just looking

638
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,960
on IMDb that the the boy, the child, his real

639
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:30,480
name is Dash McLeod. Isn't that just the craziest names,

640
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:35,000
incredible name, that's an incredible like star Fauks hybrid is

641
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,960
so sick. But yeah, I don't I the other thing too,

642
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,599
and this is maybe jumping the en so we don't

643
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,759
have to go all the way there, but just when

644
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,640
the family goes to Area fifty one and I'm like,

645
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,640
this place should be guarded so heavily. But like they

646
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
don't see a giant alien coming in the family just

647
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,480
goes through a little crack in the in the glass there.

648
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:55,480
Of course, they also like leave the car on too,

649
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:57,039
like the lights around, like this is if you can

650
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,720
and get away like this this battery is going to

651
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,279
be dead here. But that whole sequence is just like

652
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,599
so cheesy to me that they would go in there

653
00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,880
and they're like, oh, let's climb this tower for a

654
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,160
better look, Like what are you talking about? Like you

655
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,079
can see everything from ground level here.

656
00:29:11,599 --> 00:29:16,039
Speaker 1: When he's up there, he's like everything's broken, super super

657
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:17,640
straight and chat. I thought the exact same thing. As

658
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,160
soon as he like goes through the fence, I just

659
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,680
like leaned over to Tyler and like family found shot

660
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:24,960
dead invading military bace, Like like, how is this a

661
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,519
good idea? And also, since we're talking about him, this

662
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,599
has got to be the world's worst father ever, Like

663
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,640
he expunged the entire family savings, just take his whole

664
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,799
family in this van to go to area fifty one

665
00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,839
to try and see an alien? Are you fucking kidding me?

666
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:40,880
Oh my gosh, pick.

667
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 3: Up a scary hitchhiker and put him in the backseat

668
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,519
next to his son man. When the dad comes out

669
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:50,200
with the fucking rocket launcher and shoots the beast from

670
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,559
like three feet away, and then he's like, oh, sorry

671
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:55,279
about that. The person next to me, first of all,

672
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,640
just started cackling. They love that that joke. But I

673
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,200
was like, this is the dumbest thing ever.

674
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:02,079
Speaker 2: I absolutely hate did he saved daddy's life?

675
00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: You know? And then he just goes back to the

676
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,039
van and wanders off. It's like it does not have

677
00:30:06,039 --> 00:30:08,880
been a military man or anyone else, Like why did that?

678
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: There's so many little things that just all right. I

679
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,400
wish they were funny, but they're just funny to make

680
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,640
fun of. But when when he goes back to the

681
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,079
van and the van is like they're already driving, like

682
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:19,920
they're trying to make that quick getaway that a lot

683
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,279
of action movies have, like you gotta get the card running,

684
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,160
but it's going so slow, and it's like, why are

685
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,759
you even driving? Just wait for him to get to

686
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,400
the van. They had so much time believe, Oh so.

687
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: Goofy agree Taylor Taylor is anything on the family.

688
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:40,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Family was interesting. Getting Martin's character. He was

689
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,359
definitely the highlight for me. There's some stuff like like

690
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,480
Dylan you mentioned the Bazuka rock and loncher seam that

691
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,480
was that was unhinged and I didn't really need that.

692
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,319
But everything with the barbecue and just the things that

693
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,920
he was saying, like when he's up on the watch

694
00:30:56,039 --> 00:31:00,119
tower and then all the symbiotes pop out of the

695
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:02,559
ground and what.

696
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,359
Speaker 2: Did he say. He's just like what the fuck?

697
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: Like he's just he was absolutely yeah.

698
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:10,759
Speaker 2: They give him. They gave him the F bomb. He said, motherfucker.

699
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:16,359
I was surprised that any I was actually by it.

700
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,039
I like, I like mart I'm with Taylor there. I

701
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,880
liked Martin isolated.

702
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,119
Speaker 4: I like like when he was up there too, and

703
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,160
like Eddie's on the ground and Martin's like Eddie and

704
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,839
he waves his fan over his face.

705
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,839
Speaker 2: It's Martin, like Martin and family. That was really good.

706
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. So there is humor from him

707
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,839
that I really liked, but again, very limited humor. The

708
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:45,759
this the scene in the van, it's weird because like

709
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,599
some of the stuff definitely like I could get on

710
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,599
board with, but then other thing is like, ah, I

711
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,079
know they're forcing it, but uh, it was just it

712
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,119
was weird. Like it was a good scene but it

713
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,960
was weird because it didn't really fit, like you have

714
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,759
Eddie just like lying to the kids saying aliens aren't real,

715
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,599
and the kids just scared. Then the kid layls on him.

716
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, this is a really.

717
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,039
Speaker 4: Really good scene, but it doesn't fit at all with

718
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:10,880
everything that we've gotten. It's just feels like they have

719
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,839
their movie, their narrative, and they just chopped up a

720
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,880
section of it, took it out, and just chopped this

721
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,759
in from another movie or something like that.

722
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:22,119
Speaker 1: It just was weird. So, uh yeah, that's.

723
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: That, And I do I do appreciate though.

724
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:25,599
Speaker 1: The.

725
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,119
Speaker 4: Fact that when they were trying to escape, and this

726
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:33,880
is when the lady scientist pulls up in her truck

727
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,759
randomly just pulls up to get this family out of there.

728
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,799
They all get in the truck. And then when they're

729
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:41,480
all in the back of the truck I can't remember

730
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,799
what it was, something exploded and they all get out

731
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:46,400
of the truck and go underneath the truck for about

732
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,960
ten seconds. Then they all climb back into the truck

733
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,200
and then drive away. The truck didn't just fucking drive

734
00:32:52,359 --> 00:32:55,119
when they all got in the first time. The truck

735
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,440
just sat there I don't understand what was going on,

736
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,319
but if you were to rewatch that scene, it's just

737
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,240
it's it's weirdly paced, it's it's not set up in

738
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,640
a cohesive manner. I guess.

739
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 3: A lot in this movie.

740
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah you gotta you gotta be on your toes though,

741
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,359
when you're finding a bunch of symbiotes and everything like that.

742
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,839
I want to go there now to these fucking whatever

743
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:20,799
Zeno cinemors. Whatever they're saying, so we meet. No, that's

744
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,920
how the movie opens. Uh fucking Andy cirkuses just sound

745
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:24,480
like Snoke.

746
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,119
Speaker 4: No idea that was Andy Serkis.

747
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,279
Speaker 2: I was surprised because that opening he fucking sounded like snoke.

748
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920
And yeah, that's all. They confirmed that this weekend interview,

749
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:34,799
like we love Andy and we're working with them. Okay, great.

750
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,319
I wish they went somewhere else because I do love Andy,

751
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480
but I just I just got lots of snoke isms

752
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:41,920
for me and I would have liked. And he's not

753
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:45,000
doing that's not him in the fucking chair, that's somebody else.

754
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:46,799
I think he's just doing the voice. So at least

755
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:47,720
with snokes, I think.

756
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,519
Speaker 3: Cap God, what do you mean? That's probably the easiest

757
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:51,240
job for him ever sit in a chair and raise

758
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,640
your head up and down every once in a while.

759
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it could be him. I I don't know,

760
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,440
I it's I guess it doesn't have to look like

761
00:33:58,599 --> 00:33:59,640
the snoke didn't look like him.

762
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,359
Speaker 3: I just I'm actually with it. I actually don't think

763
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:03,240
it was him. But that was the easiest mo cap

764
00:34:03,319 --> 00:34:05,279
job he's ever done, compared to like Gullum.

765
00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Maybe the idea is that, like, because it's in this

766
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,079
so little, it's just the voice, and maybe he would

767
00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,119
do that. But I don't know if we're even gonna

768
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,159
get there, because the end credit is like I'm gonna

769
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:16,679
jump to and he's like, I'm gonna destroy the world

770
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,440
and you will be watching. It's like, I don't know

771
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,639
if people are gonna be watching, dude, I I But

772
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,639
so they set this thing up where okay, Nali gives

773
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:27,840
this very very brief there's so much exposition exposition in

774
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,320
this movie, and there's especially with the symbio. It's later

775
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,960
on tune like the Codex. There's multiple exposition dumps done

776
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,480
like multiple times by different characters. It's like, Okay, Venom's

777
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,400
done this to Broc. Now we're gonna have whatever Mulligan

778
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:44,280
is do this to them, and now Pain's gonna do

779
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,559
it to Cheetael edge of for it's like they'll say

780
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,440
the exact same plot. It's like worded a little differently,

781
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:51,760
and maybe there's like a splice of new information, but

782
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,599
it's like the same thing over and over. It's just

783
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,360
like cut all that out. But Noll explains that, Okay,

784
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,360
he's a symbil of God. They turn on on him

785
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,719
for some reason. He's in this planet and we're gonna

786
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,360
talk about the codex. But he's discovered a codex and

787
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,639
this can free him, right, so he's sent off his

788
00:35:07,639 --> 00:35:09,440
little xenomorph creatures and everything.

789
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 4: One.

790
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:15,559
Speaker 2: To me, this codex is just stupid. He okay, Eddie

791
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,280
Brock died, Venom saved them and for some reason this

792
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,760
I created some sort of codex one that happened in

793
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,239
twenty eighteen. Well, I guess it's been a year, right,

794
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,119
but still it happened like a year in this timeline.

795
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:28,039
Why is this? Like, why has this been a year?

796
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:30,400
Why didn't know? Like since this is right away? And

797
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,920
two I hated I don't mind the design, but I

798
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,519
hated the creatures after them because I just thought like

799
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,639
it gave Eddie brock plot armor all the time, where

800
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,719
especially in the water, right, they had this thing where

801
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,280
these things are kind of like blind but unless and

802
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,199
they can't see our main characters, especially Tom Hardy. But

803
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,320
if there's like canon fodder soldiers, they just scoop them

804
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,360
right up and kill them. But like, there's a moment

805
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,760
when they're in the water fighting and you know Venom's

806
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,039
right there. That's the whole thing. When Venom's in full form,

807
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,599
you see the Kodex and the Xenomorph thinking track it

808
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:03,760
and see it, and then the water takes it off,

809
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,039
and like I said, it kills all these different guards.

810
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,400
But then Eddie just like swims away, right, and my

811
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,159
last poet that just bugged the shit of me is okay,

812
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,119
they send one to Earth, great, I have issues, more

813
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,679
issues than all. But then at the third act he

814
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,840
decides to send like, I don't know, six ten of them.

815
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one on Earth sends out an alarm to

816
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:22,800
bring the rest of them there, which is like, why

817
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,239
wouldn't the alarm get sent out the moment it's codex Yes,

818
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:28,480
for the first time in act one.

819
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 2: And this is supposedly the thing that could free no

820
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:32,239
All right, he's locked in this chair. So why is

821
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880
the second you've confirmed, Hey, this thing's on Earth. I've

822
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,199
seen this thing. There should be ten being sent out.

823
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:42,519
And I also forgot to explain that it's either if

824
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:44,599
you want it. But it's like they have to capture

825
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,079
Is it just Venom or is it both of them

826
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:49,480
to get this codex? Is it just Venom?

827
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: They need them both?

828
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, so that's the idea.

829
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: When one of them dies, the codex is destroyed, so

830
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,480
I guess they would need both of them.

831
00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: That's us get into where And they said that Knoll

832
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:04,159
can't escape unless he gets said codex. But in the

833
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,920
end credits he does escape. So the whole movie and

834
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,519
Venom sacrifice really was for nothing because Noel is coming

835
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:12,239
to Earth now.

836
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: But did he escape or he just said that?

837
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,679
Speaker 2: I well, I insinuate with In the end credit, he's

838
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,000
like he's on the way. So it's like if he like,

839
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,440
if he's on the way, he got freed somehow, right.

840
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Like like a Scooby Doo villain, I'll get you one day,

841
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,639
you meddling kids. As he's going back to askabn this all.

842
00:37:30,519 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 2: Sucked though, if he didn't.

843
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:35,639
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, man. The whole codex thing

844
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,559
didn't make any sense to me, especially that like it

845
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:41,639
just felt like a way to make the vendom cymbia

846
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,920
like significant more so over the other ones. Yeah, the

847
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:47,440
fact that he just had it this whole time, like

848
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,119
it didn't bother me that much. The fact that like

849
00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:53,679
Noel hasn't been like hunting him down like instantly as

850
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,880
soon as like he could kind of sense the codex.

851
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,400
But yeah, I thought that when the first Zeno monster

852
00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:02,920
comes to Earth, I thought he actually sent like an

853
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:04,880
army like the first time around. So I was surprised

854
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,280
to jumping out. Yeah, because it seems like he had

855
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,679
portals kind of going everywhere.

856
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,079
Speaker 3: I think he was searching different planets. They found the codex,

857
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,280
then they would send in reinforcements, which I see. I

858
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:15,599
don't know why it took him so long once he

859
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:16,320
found the codex.

860
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: But but even at the end, like it seems like

861
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,519
it only sends like three more like like it just

862
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,679
seems like if this is the most mandatory thing like

863
00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:26,000
I was expecting, like like the Invasionabakanda, you know, like

864
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,360
that amount of like monsters and for how much. I

865
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,599
didn't want this movie to feel like a like a

866
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,920
world ending threat. This was even more so than that.

867
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,119
This is like the end of all existence in the

868
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,920
entire universe gallony for everything. Yeah, it's like the void

869
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,840
I guess surrounds the all of the universes and you

870
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:50,920
just get to take out everything. And that Rex was

871
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,199
his character's name to tel Elafort, I never know how

872
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:57,960
to say. I'll practice that one in the shower later,

873
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:03,039
but uh I, I I just love his like motivation switch.

874
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,559
As soon as he like finds out that like he

875
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,320
just has to kill Eddie to like put an end

876
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,280
to it, he's like, oh, we got we gotta put

877
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,679
an end of this. And he's like, we're working with

878
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,719
like the symbio guys. Now it's like we have to

879
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,159
protect every like, oh you Rex Man. He was a

880
00:39:16,199 --> 00:39:19,639
fucking character. Oh my gosh. I hated him in this movie.

881
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,400
I really like that actor, but I just feel like

882
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,239
in this movie I could not get past him. He

883
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,280
was truly true.

884
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: I actually didn't really have be an issues with his

885
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,559
motivations that to me, he made a lot of sense.

886
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:35,480
I think he actually chose the right decision to save humanity.

887
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Dan, That's where I was confused. So

888
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,199
I'm with you that much.

889
00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:42,159
Speaker 3: I don't like to use a dick to the scientist

890
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,360
though for no reason that was.

891
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: But that's my thing. They were painting him to be

892
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,519
the classic army juughhead doesn't get it, just gonna go

893
00:39:50,559 --> 00:39:53,039
for violence, right, like, oh we have the answer, no gun,

894
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:55,199
we'll fix it, right. But the problem was they were

895
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:57,960
giving him that attitude of being an asshole, but then

896
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,400
all his motivations were like correct, like in my opinion,

897
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,920
like when he's like, oh, we gotta do this, and

898
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,119
he's like, oh, you couldn't do that, it's like I

899
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:10,480
don't know the entire universe or Eddie Brock at this point.

900
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:12,960
It's just like if I'm even if I have a

901
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,119
symbuilt and it's like, hey, Chri's you gotta die or

902
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:17,360
you know, your family's dead, your friends, and it's like, yeah,

903
00:40:17,679 --> 00:40:18,800
I think it's my time to go.

904
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:19,119
Speaker 1: You know.

905
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: It's just like the fact that they were looking at

906
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:22,559
him like he was a fucking crazy person and this

907
00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,760
is a government where they're doing stuff he he kidnapped

908
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,000
the bar guy, like they've done all this other shady

909
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,480
stuff in the movie and they're like, well, you can't

910
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,840
kill like Eddie Brock and the like whatever the venoms

911
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,760
and biote or whatnot. It's just like, it was so

912
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,480
weird that they were trying to make him the antagonist's

913
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,639
military type, but then they gave him all motivations that

914
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,760
made sense because he wasn't doing anything wrong even then,

915
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,360
like he went on a mission and his guys got

916
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,360
killed and he was upset about that. There's nothing wrong

917
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,039
about that. He was blindsided, you know. So it's just

918
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:53,639
it was a very odd character of like I bet

919
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,719
at one point in the movie, there's probably scenes where

920
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,239
he was more the villain type of role. And even

921
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,840
Teddy Paine her full name, Teddy Paine.

922
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: Can we sorry, we're getting very We talked like, let's

923
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,039
let's finish up with Noel a little bit before we

924
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,320
get all all that strickling stuff is very correct though,

925
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,559
And yeah, well we'll talk about doctor Payne because that's

926
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,559
a that's a mess of a character there. But yeah,

927
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:17,360
I feel like, uh, I wanted to bring this up

928
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,760
because I went back and listened to our predictions for

929
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,800
the Noel stuff because I was curious how right we were.

930
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,239
So Travis you said there would be Noel would have

931
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,960
no dialogue and no actor, so you were wrong there.

932
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:29,840
But you also said he would have no interaction with Venom,

933
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,840
so you were correct there because that never happens.

934
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,119
Speaker 2: Never they even like I thought, I thought for sure

935
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,000
they're gonna at least tell perfectly at the end, like

936
00:41:36,039 --> 00:41:36,960
someth's gonna happen.

937
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like one of the portals would be, you know,

938
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,639
he'd go in through one of the portals, come to

939
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:42,480
feel Noel or something like that. So I was surprised

940
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:44,719
that didn't happen, or that they even didn't even talk,

941
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880
because me and Kirkland on the predictions were talking how

942
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,920
they would somehow, you know, venom wise, like talk through

943
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,039
the void in some ways that didn't happen. And then

944
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,280
screen time wise, Kirkland, Taylor, you guys predicted thirty seconds

945
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,199
for Noel, Travis two minutes, and me four to five minutes.

946
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,800
So I think Travis was maybe the most close thing.

947
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,679
I think I'm close, like, yeah, min and a half

948
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,960
kind of thing for nol.

949
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Well, walk the way to the DVD or the VHS

950
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,719
comes out to track that.

951
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,559
Speaker 1: Like the opening monologue felt pretty long, like it felt

952
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,000
like a few minutes.

953
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. The first line in the movie

954
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:18,800
is not I am nol like it. It's like they're

955
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,960
trying to make the general audience and people be like, hey,

956
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,559
this is a big bad characters. They were just it

957
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,440
just it's classic Sony. It's they're like they said this

958
00:42:26,519 --> 00:42:28,679
to interviews, Oh this is gonna be our Thanos. It's

959
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,599
like they saw that like, oh we can do that,

960
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,039
and they just do it terribly. It's just starting off

961
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:35,440
like a fans like I am Thanos and I'm looking

962
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,639
for the stones, like no, you learned the SOB time,

963
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,360
but this was just like to try and make you feel, oh,

964
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,920
this guy's important and look out for him. You know.

965
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,559
Speaker 1: I feel like even you know, I'm not not the

966
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:46,760
most well read when it comes to noller these things,

967
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,960
but more so than maybe the general audience member. And

968
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,559
I just like I felt like I was confused with

969
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:54,639
like all of the the just the dump of information

970
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,199
he was given to us, where it's like, Okay, I

971
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,679
guess his children are the scibiotes and they banished him,

972
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,400
so like where the Zeno things come from? Like like

973
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,239
are those his children too? And why are they not

974
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:04,559
work with they.

975
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,159
Speaker 4: Were talking about like, oh, is it like your sister

976
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,400
when Eddie was like confronting, Uh.

977
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about villain. Yeah, so it just seems like, yes, Travis,

978
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,800
I agree, that's what they were going for, like no

979
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,840
big villain, this is gonna be like and the big guy.

980
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:22,159
Speaker 3: But there's even a common I think it was from

981
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:24,880
Venom where he's like he's not on a planet, He's

982
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,519
in a prison. I'm like, Okay, are you just saying

983
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,639
that to be quirk, like to be silly, Like is

984
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:31,239
he in a prison on a planet or is he

985
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,960
just like floating in space on a meteor, Like what's

986
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,800
going on? I wanted to actually get an answer to that.

987
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

988
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and then yeah, on the aliens, I think

989
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,599
they it was so messy the rules of these aliens.

990
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,440
I totally agree with you. First of all, that whole

991
00:43:46,639 --> 00:43:49,840
river fight. I have huge beef with that river fight

992
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:55,079
because one like, they are in Nevada, They're in the desert,

993
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:57,559
there's bare this is the one source of water for

994
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,480
you know, as far as the eye can see. But

995
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,480
somehow the six soldiers they sent in on this mission

996
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:08,320
were prepped with like jet conculsion underwater scuba gear. It's like,

997
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,400
what are the odds that that would be useful? And

998
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,519
then also for them to go in the river. Obviously

999
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,480
they had the gear, but still that was such a

1000
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:17,639
you're putting yourself at such a disadvantage by going in

1001
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,920
the water. You don't do a cop level like science

1002
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,159
military combo who clearly like came with the tools. Yeah

1003
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,400
on the river, yeah, like and they all seem to

1004
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,800
survive that, I guess, which is probably just pure dumblock

1005
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,239
that they didn't hit a rock on the way down.

1006
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,000
But yeah, like that whole scene was so dumb and yeah,

1007
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,159
I just think the concept that this alien can tract

1008
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:42,199
this that it can track the codex from like seeming

1009
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,000
like city's lengths away, like really really far away. But

1010
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:47,760
then like as soon as it's like right there and

1011
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,679
he goes out of venom mode, he can still like

1012
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,760
roughly see the outline of a body and then you yeah,

1013
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,679
as you said, Travs, like if it's a someone shooting

1014
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,840
at him, he'll go for the slash. But otherwise it

1015
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,760
just felt too easy and convenient. It felt to me like,

1016
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,360
how is this even really threat if we can just

1017
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,760
stay out of venom mode and it just sits around

1018
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,360
and does nothing. And that's why the dancing scene really

1019
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,119
bothered me, because obviously that was like, you know, they're

1020
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:12,880
just looking for like some fun engagement meme things with

1021
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,360
that scene. I'm sure, and I guess people love that character,

1022
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:17,559
but to me, it was like the dumbest character thing

1023
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:21,440
ever that they would like, how would he not realize

1024
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,159
that that would be a way that they would get

1025
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,119
caught by going full Venom ode to go with the

1026
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,679
dance And it's like, maybe I'm missing something from Venom two,

1027
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,719
like maybe she's a suckubyss that has like mind control

1028
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,599
over him and that's why he goes Vendom mode. But

1029
00:45:32,639 --> 00:45:34,519
to me, it's like, no, she's just a regular person,

1030
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,559
so and fat that he's surprised. He's like, oh shit,

1031
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,760
it showed up. It's like, yeah, of course it did.

1032
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,679
Did you Also you jump out a when you were

1033
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,639
flying on a plane high above the Mucky Mug and

1034
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:47,400
it came up there and got you. Like it's so

1035
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,079
so dumb.

1036
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 2: And he told him before, if you do this, it's

1037
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,159
gonna find us, and Venom doesn't care. That's what I

1038
00:45:53,199 --> 00:45:54,840
was trying to say, non spoilers, that's where it's like

1039
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,960
it's okay, we saw on the trails and already that's

1040
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,320
and I were like, okay, Vendom dance scene and yeah,

1041
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,159
to me, it's dumb for me seeing Vanom, which for

1042
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,960
I like as the more scarial, imposing individual he's doing

1043
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,000
these like when I have she y'all can dead pull.

1044
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:09,119
I don't feel that about them, which Vandom. I see

1045
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:11,719
this like, man, this really hurts. But it's like whatever,

1046
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,599
they've done this comedic stuff before, fine, do this. But

1047
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,679
that to me literally was the worst in the movie

1048
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,360
because it just all the stakes dropped because there we

1049
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:21,960
can't turn and we can't and that's like, okay, that's

1050
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,039
a fun Like I don't like love this. I don't

1051
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:25,880
even enjoy some me, but it's like, okay, that's a

1052
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,840
fun way to kind of deepower Venom. Right, you can't

1053
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:31,400
switch into him because if you do this, thing's gonna

1054
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,159
track you kill other people, kill yourself, right, So that's

1055
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:35,440
just like, oh, that's smart. But it's like, oh, to

1056
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,360
do dancing, No, I want to dance. It's like what

1057
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,840
a fucking missus chendies here. It's just like everything that

1058
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,920
they built up for an hour completely the they just

1059
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,920
pulled the rug out and that says, Okay, if I

1060
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,719
had any inkling of an idea like oh this could

1061
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,599
be something, it's a gone And like I don't think

1062
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,480
the other movies have done something like this though, where

1063
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:56,119
it's just like they threw it into the face, in

1064
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:57,719
your face kind of way, like oh, we don't really

1065
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,119
care about these rules. And it's very odd that the

1066
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,599
bar guy they took, but missus Chen they did not,

1067
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,280
like they just let her stay there and wave no

1068
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,639
consistency and who this government ops take right because Rex

1069
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:14,480
wasn't there. Yes, he takes everything. Yeah, there's like just

1070
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:18,039
like a cargo of just like fifty people, like they

1071
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:21,039
saw a shadow of venom. So we got to interrogate them.

1072
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:22,840
It's like what else is the bar I need? You know?

1073
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what are their information? This guy?

1074
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, like what's he well, he it's

1075
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,239
not like he didn't give him up. He literally said

1076
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,960
he was being weird talking himself and he had some

1077
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,840
things and take them. Yeah, I gotta understand killing him

1078
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,519
of like, hey, we don't want him speak to anybody,

1079
00:47:37,559 --> 00:47:40,239
but like what's he locked up for? What's he gonna do?

1080
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,960
And that's where Rex was being at, Like, that's where

1081
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,920
I thought, Okay, he's gonna be the assholearmy guy, he's

1082
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,800
a villain, but he wasn't at the end. Yeah, I

1083
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,599
forgot his name was Rex. I knew it was Strickland,

1084
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:51,440
but I for I was Rex.

1085
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,519
Speaker 3: I mean I like Strickland more. Rex does not seem

1086
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,079
very meany to me. My last complain about the aliens

1087
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,280
if we talked about how like poor they are at

1088
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,119
finding anything except for the codex unless someone's shooting at them,

1089
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,599
Like that's the rules that I've been given as a viewer.

1090
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,119
But then how then when when when Venom gets captured

1091
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:12,880
Venom and Eddie and they're separated and taken off, then

1092
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,599
alien like perfectly tracks them across presumably fairly far away

1093
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,639
to the base, sneaks into the base, steals through the base,

1094
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:24,000
even though there's presumably people over the place. Like none

1095
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:27,000
of that really makes sense for me, given how clumsy

1096
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,119
the alien seems to be unless it can literally see

1097
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,320
a codex in front of it, So none of that

1098
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,639
made any sense to me.

1099
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: And what terrible hunters too, like when like they have

1100
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,559
some sort of tracking, but really they can only see

1101
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:41,320
the clear, the code is clear. It's like when the

1102
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,840
codex is not around, how does Noel use these things?

1103
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Like when he sends them, It's like, are they always

1104
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:48,159
just like they can't find their.

1105
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:50,599
Speaker 3: Tabs if they already in fact, his creations like you

1106
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:55,079
did a pretty poor job of terrible working at workshopping them. Yeah,

1107
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,760
he needs get Calibrin Bore in there to make them better.

1108
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,159
Speaker 2: Damn excited to see Nolan's Secret Wars or Spidermen for

1109
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,159
or something like that.

1110
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:06,079
Speaker 4: He was definitely in here a lot longer than I

1111
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,559
was anticipating, for sure. But yeah, he didn't. He didn't

1112
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,440
really do much, just sat in his thrown and sat

1113
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:17,199
in his chair. It's funny because he reminded me of

1114
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,960
another villain from Transformers, actually Revenge of the Fallen, where

1115
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,719
you have this big main bag guy. He just sits

1116
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,960
in his throne throughout the whole movie. But at least

1117
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,440
in that movie comes out to fight at the end. Here, no,

1118
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,400
it wasn't. The case just sits there at the very end. Though.

1119
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,239
It was weird because I don't I'm not sure if

1120
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:36,440
he was talking to himself or someone was talking to

1121
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,119
him the way that he was doing the voiceover was peculiar,

1122
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,760
but it was like, oh, your champion is dead or gone,

1123
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,199
I should say, I'm paraphrasing, of course, and then yeah,

1124
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,000
it breaks into just this dialogue of him getting out

1125
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:52,800
and gonna kill everyone. Yeah, yeaha YadA. So I'm assuming

1126
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,119
the champion is Venom, and I took it as like, well,

1127
00:49:56,159 --> 00:49:58,360
that's like you guys are to discuss that's his way

1128
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,519
of getting free through the Kodek. But that's not the case.

1129
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:07,239
It's just very convoluted and very very messy. But he

1130
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,400
did look cool and he sounded pretty cool, So I

1131
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,519
would absolutely be excited to see him on a more

1132
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:19,000
prominent villainous role. I guess, like the main antagonist in

1133
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,880
an actual Marvel Disney movie and not an associated I

1134
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,280
don't think that's gonna happen now.

1135
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 2: I think, luckily, with how Venom this weekend is gonna,

1136
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,000
I think really underperform. I think they're gonna look at

1137
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,280
that and be like, you know, let's let's not whatever,

1138
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,760
because that's what I was happy.

1139
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 4: About there was He's gonna be like, oh, no Spider

1140
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:37,039
Man for you?

1141
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 2: Well no, they already had that contract, right. The Marvel

1142
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,880
still is at least one.

1143
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 3: More, if you're still going to make some money somewhere,

1144
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,119
even if it comes from Disney making the money for you.

1145
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: What if that contract has Noll in there.

1146
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I had nol in there in twenty eighteen,

1147
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,559
but you're right, I guess. If not, well, then do

1148
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,280
the same thing that they did with Tom Hardy and

1149
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:55,800
No Way Home. I have Nolan there in the end

1150
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,280
credit scene and suck them back to the Venom universe

1151
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,519
and you're good to go. Like that's what I did,

1152
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,000
like because I was worried in the predictions. I said

1153
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,000
they're gonna have a direct tie to it, and like,

1154
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:09,079
that's just Nelson. I'm gonna annihilate you. That's a very

1155
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,039
general like he could just be going to the Sony verse, right,

1156
00:51:12,199 --> 00:51:16,039
Can fine have him fight against because I they're definitely

1157
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,360
teasing the Sinator six. I think because at one point,

1158
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,039
which I don't understand, we met there's a like a

1159
00:51:23,079 --> 00:51:26,159
private or secret group called the Imperium or something like that.

1160
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I totally forgot about that thread.

1161
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said Rex at one point said send

1162
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,960
the six and I was like, Fuck, what is about

1163
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,719
to happen right now? Are we gonna get a near

1164
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,360
citizen six because I can't believe that it's Rex, which

1165
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,000
is six guards behind him, right, And then they specifically

1166
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,840
for people they didn't watch this movie. He is talking

1167
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,679
to a guy that's in a shadowy room. You don't

1168
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,039
see his face. Yeah, it's like the shadow guy from

1169
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,960
Amazing Inspiermen two where there's something a Footso I think

1170
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,039
they are starting to set the seeds of that as

1171
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,400
like a big corporation. But yeah, I like that. Have

1172
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:04,599
Null fight Venom morebus madam Web, Sure, do that, but

1173
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:06,960
don't I don't think after this you can put them

1174
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:09,320
in my opinion, in the Marvel universe. Do fine, if

1175
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,000
you want to do multiverse, get Venom in there. Sure,

1176
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,960
but no, like even then, even at least if this

1177
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,760
movie would have sucked, but it's like, hey, nol seem

1178
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,880
really cool and I would like to see that. This

1179
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:19,880
just felt like a discount. Then I felt like we've

1180
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:25,480
been here, done this, you know, so yeah, let's uh,

1181
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,880
let's take our oh sorry, you got well, actually, let's

1182
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,159
take our second ADB break and then we'll hear a

1183
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,679
Kirklands breathing about Syby right back and we're back. Maybe

1184
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:35,800
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1185
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,119
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back to you.

1196
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: Nice long anticipated wait for this one. It's a pretty

1197
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,079
minor point, but I just wanted to address to Travis's

1198
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,480
pet peeve that he mentioned on a cast not too

1199
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:18,719
long ago where they take whenever films take I feel

1200
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,079
like it's a pet peep of mine now after you

1201
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,400
brought it up. They take an image from a movie

1202
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,760
or the same movie or something to use as like

1203
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:27,119
a screen capture or a photo.

1204
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: Like like like a like a security camera. Got it,

1205
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,719
but it's a shot of like a promo shot of

1206
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,320
Eddie Brock.

1207
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, it's like great resolution and everything, and

1208
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,719
they definitely use that for Patrick Mulligan's like screenshot when

1209
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:43,320
they're like Eddie Eddie Brock wanted for murder of this

1210
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,519
character and it's like a scene vantom too, when he's

1211
00:53:46,519 --> 00:53:48,239
like looking down a hallway and I swear that was

1212
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,000
in like every trailer too. So as soon as they

1213
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,639
showed it on screen, I'm like, oh God, I hate

1214
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:54,519
that so much now. I feel like I never noticed

1215
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:57,480
it before before you brought that up, Travis, So uh yeah, No,

1216
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:59,400
that's definitely a pet people in mind. Now I'm gonna

1217
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,440
be I feel like it's one of those things that

1218
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,039
it just stands out so much, especially if you've seen

1219
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,440
the movie or the show or something. It's the worst one.

1220
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,480
It's probably taken from the same thing. Like if it

1221
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:11,719
was a shot from this movie used there, I think

1222
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,039
that would be even more egregious.

1223
00:54:13,079 --> 00:54:16,119
Speaker 2: But you'll never see any heat first movie that and

1224
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:17,880
what Dylan brought this week. I'll try to make sure

1225
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,760
there's no on the ground. There's none of that in

1226
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,360
this movie, Dylan. No one on the ground finding a

1227
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,719
piece of metal and Henry. Yeah, so we got a

1228
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,519
couple of pet peas, will make sure not to hit.

1229
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,320
Did you have some more specific go other than the footage.

1230
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:32,519
Speaker 1: I just know I was just kind of going off

1231
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,599
my notes, my last couple of things. To shut up.

1232
00:54:34,599 --> 00:54:35,400
But we can go elsewhere.

1233
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Teddy Pain, which is where it's going.

1234
00:54:38,159 --> 00:54:40,760
That is a fucking porn star name. I've ever heard one,

1235
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,000
but to Teddy Pain. Oh, this is a character. I

1236
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,679
would completely again, just chop her right out, just make

1237
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,079
it rex and give some scientists a few lines. But

1238
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,599
just that for some reason they I don't know, someone's

1239
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:54,719
going to explain it to me. They accept some origin

1240
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,280
where she has a twin brother, you know, that's great,

1241
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,159
and all he wants to go to space. That's great,

1242
00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:01,679
and all the on the beach their parents are now

1243
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:02,280
to be found.

1244
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: What did he want to go to space? I thought

1245
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,960
he wanted to work at Area fifty one. That was specific.

1246
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,159
Speaker 2: That's how you said he want to go up?

1247
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: I heard said multiple times in the movie. But yeah,

1248
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,360
she's like living her brother's dream by working for fifty five.

1249
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 2: Someone have to let me know I'm not going to

1250
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,480
rewatch it, so I'll take your guys's words.

1251
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: Either way, it stood up to me as being the

1252
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:27,000
dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. That's right

1253
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:28,000
in my head.

1254
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: So they're almost beach sorry, looking stormy, but a storm

1255
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,719
even becomes you know, storm is out there and the

1256
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,519
X Men doing some practice lessons happens to take on

1257
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,800
these kids' lives. But so anyways, they start to run

1258
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,960
away from the storm. They're holding hands. Her brother got

1259
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,199
shruck by lightning, kill kills them, and she has like

1260
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,440
a lightning bolt scar. It's like they're bad Harry Potter.

1261
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,119
She's like lightning bolt scar, upper arm all the way

1262
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:57,239
to her neck. And yeah, her life mission is now

1263
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:00,239
to her brother wanted a job or to do something thing,

1264
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,119
so she wants to do that. And I don't know

1265
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,079
why we actually needed any of that backstory. Again, if

1266
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:07,960
there's maybe a two and a half hour move where

1267
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:10,920
we got some great character development's deep story, then maybe,

1268
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,639
but that's on this movie, so it's like take that

1269
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,159
all out of there. She also somehow makes a simio

1270
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,039
that's infused with lightning. I don't know why that is,

1271
00:56:19,079 --> 00:56:21,280
Like she's just obsessed with lightning. It wasn't like a

1272
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,400
I would have been cool if like she had something

1273
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,239
in her and then the simula and that like both,

1274
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,239
but it seems like she concocted like, hey, I've been

1275
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,480
hit with lightning. I would like to have lightning powers.

1276
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:34,599
It's like she's like trying to It's like a Spider

1277
00:56:34,639 --> 00:56:36,599
Man got bit and he got no spider powers, Like

1278
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:39,239
all I want spider power, So when I make a formula,

1279
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,559
it's gonna have spider powers. It was odd. Did not

1280
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,719
like this character. Same thing as Rex, and sometimes they

1281
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,360
made her seem like she was gonna be the crazy,

1282
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,760
dangerous scientist going against the grain, but then at the

1283
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,320
end she's a completely good guy and helping out and

1284
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,639
uh yeah again another terrible character that was had some

1285
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:59,559
weird scenes with Mulligan and not and her sidekick is

1286
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:01,960
the Chris One too. I have issues with that weight.

1287
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 3: Well yeah, to me, that's like when we look at

1288
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,719
doctor Payne and it's like why why, Like what is

1289
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,000
this backstory doing here? But then I think, to me,

1290
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:11,400
it's like, well, if you don't do the backstory, then

1291
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,239
you get a character like Christmas. I'm just gonna call

1292
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,039
her that because I don't remember her name. And that's

1293
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,559
what Rex called her. I thought that was funny or

1294
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,840
that character makes no sense to me. Like all we

1295
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,159
have to go off of is that she's got some

1296
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,159
like kinky interest with symbiotes. She like we see her

1297
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:29,000
tap one of the tubes in a way that's like, Okay,

1298
00:57:29,119 --> 00:57:32,800
she's kind of weird and quirky. She likes these symbiotes

1299
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,960
and that's all there is. And so it's really hard

1300
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,000
to buy into like anything that she's doing, because she

1301
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,880
makes some pretty notable decisions. She's never done it before,

1302
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,920
but she just goes and absorbs a symbiote to go

1303
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:45,840
transfer it to Eddie. That's a huge leap of faith,

1304
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,719
Like you just might just die in this encounter. She

1305
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:50,920
gets the other suit later and does I mean, I

1306
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:54,639
guess at that point the suit is kind of taking over, presumably,

1307
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,880
But like there's so many questions there and I just

1308
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,480
can't answer them. But at least with doctor Pain, I

1309
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,320
can at least understand a little bit more. I think

1310
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,840
the storyline with the brother is so forced and cheesy,

1311
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,440
And I think the thing I hated the most was

1312
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,480
like at the very end, kind of when the battle's

1313
00:58:09,519 --> 00:58:12,079
coming to a close and Rex, this is like right

1314
00:58:12,119 --> 00:58:14,159
before he sacrifices himself and the three of them are

1315
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,280
there and he's like, this is what your brother wanted.

1316
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:17,719
Speaker 1: Huh.

1317
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,639
Speaker 3: He makes some little wise cracker joke. He's like just

1318
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,119
making fun of this girl's like dead brother, just like

1319
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:26,960
in this moment when all this crazy stuff has happened,

1320
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,199
it's like just such a wild thing to say, so

1321
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,159
just like none of it made sense. This This is

1322
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,440
too bad because I haven't seen this actress in much,

1323
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,159
but after watching ted Lasso, like she's so great there

1324
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:40,920
Juno Temple, and like, I was so disappointed that this

1325
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,239
is like the role that was given to her. Her

1326
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,840
accent also threw me off this big time.

1327
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:47,079
Speaker 1: I couldn't get asked it.

1328
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 3: It's great, but I it just was so weird for

1329
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:53,079
me to hear after watching so much ted Lasso. And

1330
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,000
then I think that the thing that is just killed

1331
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,280
the character for me is just how she has no

1332
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,400
reactions when people are dying, Like when he's like, hey,

1333
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:02,840
three of my soldiers just died for what we're doing here,

1334
00:59:03,079 --> 00:59:06,079
she has no reaction whatsoever, And it makes me get

1335
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:07,800
any like DNA.

1336
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,199
Speaker 2: Or something she has, And that's what I thought scientists come.

1337
00:59:11,239 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 3: That's where like, Okay, I want to root for her

1338
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,119
because I like the actress, but I can't root her

1339
00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:18,239
after after how cold hearted she is. And so to me,

1340
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,920
that's that's the stuff that didn't make any sense, Like

1341
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,159
I get like the person who wants, you know, the

1342
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,519
science above all else, but I feel like there's a

1343
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:26,440
line it's like she probably even met some of these

1344
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,599
people that are dying too, and she doesn't give a

1345
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:31,440
shit at all. Later the movie, more people are dying

1346
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,519
and she doesn't care. So I think that that was

1347
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:36,119
like the lynchpin of what made the character kind of

1348
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:38,519
broken for me. And they even have Chris have any

1349
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:39,320
empathy for her.

1350
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 2: They even have Christmas when she says that line of

1351
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,519
like did you get any dnair or not? She like

1352
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:45,840
looks up at her like like you're a cold person,

1353
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,280
Like how could you ask that? So again, like Rex,

1354
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:50,800
to me, they were giving is of Oh, she's gonna

1355
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,519
that's whatever that tube is, She's gonna help them get out,

1356
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:56,239
like when she helped release all the symbios that oh man,

1357
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,480
maybe there's some twist where she's doing this for her

1358
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,360
own personal game, like yeah, sure to help. But then

1359
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,000
after because she's taking care of them. Maybe they're gonna

1360
01:00:03,039 --> 01:00:04,559
look at her like a month like I thought, oh,

1361
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:07,840
something cool could happen here, But no, it's just then

1362
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,679
she's a good guy. She's saving the family, she's saving venom.

1363
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,960
She becomes Agony, which is a symbiode. It's just like, yeah,

1364
01:00:14,039 --> 01:00:16,280
which is like a cool enough look. I guess it's

1365
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,440
just it was just scream, I guess, but it's not

1366
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:23,000
they I like the hair for the symbiodes. But yeah,

1367
01:00:23,199 --> 01:00:25,199
she becomes a symbiode at the end. And then at

1368
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:27,119
the end they like do stupid sequel bait where it

1369
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,079
goes when she look on her hand and like looks

1370
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:29,599
at the screen.

1371
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets that redeeming moment of her brother died

1372
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,000
in this way, but it's to save Christmas in this way.

1373
01:00:35,039 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 4: It's like out of all those symbiotes. Now, I don't

1374
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,920
remember seeing the two that were like confused together die,

1375
01:00:42,239 --> 01:00:43,639
and maybe it was a quick scene.

1376
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,639
Speaker 3: Because one died for sure, they got ripped apart and

1377
01:00:45,679 --> 01:00:46,280
then they got.

1378
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 4: Kid they both did, okay.

1379
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,719
Speaker 2: I one, yeah, I saw one aiden for sure. I

1380
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:52,440
don't have them the other one. But you would assume

1381
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,280
that that explosion also maybe took them up.

1382
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I thought that was really really

1383
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:00,519
cool seeing all the different types and yeah, Travis, you

1384
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,960
alert to this before the fire guy total disappointment when

1385
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,119
I saw him. I always like, that's fucking.

1386
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,239
Speaker 2: He's gonna like he's gonna pop off, like here we

1387
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:13,039
go practiced. Second, there's a lot of it was like Marble.

1388
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:15,760
It's like Smash Bros. Where it's a carnage and you

1389
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,639
have a bunch of different color sets like that's what.

1390
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:20,440
Too many of them for me had the knives. Too

1391
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:21,719
many of them had the body.

1392
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: That's why I thought I was like one hundred percent.

1393
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy, one of them kind of like this

1394
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,639
king a little bit. He was kind of rocky and dusty.

1395
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked like I liked that they're trying to

1396
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:33,159
do some difference. He was bigger, and the Christmas one

1397
01:01:33,199 --> 01:01:35,239
was dumb, like the Simul touches his tree. Oh I'm

1398
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,159
gonna be green, and like rad.

1399
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,639
Speaker 1: It was that just for identification purposes. Like I was

1400
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:41,800
so lost because I haven't revisited the second movie. I'm like,

1401
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,840
was this character in there or something like, like it

1402
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,559
seems like we have a lot of focus on this

1403
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:48,639
Christmas character of like she's the one that snuck venom

1404
01:01:48,679 --> 01:01:51,679
back to Eddie. Like it's just yeah, I and what

1405
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,719
the significance on this character for no apparent reason.

1406
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:56,559
Speaker 2: And again why I have to believe there's cut scene

1407
01:01:56,639 --> 01:02:00,400
she's like a like it's like in the Hierarchy of guys.

1408
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,320
At the end, it's like venom and then her she's

1409
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,519
kicking ass all over this thing. So it feels like, oh,

1410
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:07,000
this is a character that you're rooting for the whole time,

1411
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:09,199
but all you learn about it is that her mother

1412
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:12,440
made her opinion that she doesn't even love Christmas. Her

1413
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,440
mother made that her opinion, Like I can't throw it out.

1414
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:19,760
It's just like it's it's so odd the choices they do.

1415
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,639
But I think there's like enough fun symbio to the

1416
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:24,159
action at the end that I can like even with

1417
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,719
I can understand if someone likes the simios, like, Okay, yeah,

1418
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:28,519
it's cool scene. I don't think any of this has

1419
01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:30,360
earned but it's cool seeing them. And Tack, can you

1420
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:33,360
bring up your point about the codex and the Simultes

1421
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,960
that I agreed with you and I don't want to

1422
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:36,119
take it from you because you were talking about in

1423
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:39,880
the car, which because nol Eddie and venom are so important,

1424
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,039
right because they say to each other and create a codex.

1425
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:43,159
But you're talking about this in the car.

1426
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:47,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'll use I can't remember his name, like

1427
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:51,599
the security guard for example, when he just fucking stood

1428
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:56,639
alone you shall not pass with this little and he

1429
01:02:56,679 --> 01:03:00,599
got absolutely bopped. But the thing is, and the point

1430
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:03,320
being made is that, Okay, he's dying, and a bunch

1431
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,440
of other people were dying too, and then these symbios

1432
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:09,320
that connect with them. You think, then okay, if they're

1433
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,039
saving someone from dying, that should be creating a whole

1434
01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:13,480
bunch of o their codex, right.

1435
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, should at least be three to four.

1436
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,639
Speaker 1: My counter argument would be he didn't die yet, he

1437
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:20,440
was just dying and the symbio jumped on him.

1438
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 4: But that's what what they said, though, Like if they're.

1439
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: Like actually died and like.

1440
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,239
Speaker 4: Oh, you're right, he did say that if the person

1441
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:28,920
dies that.

1442
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,639
Speaker 2: So they have to like flatline then.

1443
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:38,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like smack the ground.

1444
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like invested in this argument, you know,

1445
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,000
like like it is pretty silly the reasoning for it.

1446
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,599
I wish they had more. I wish there was like

1447
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:47,519
a better reason than just that's the only reason that

1448
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:49,760
they have the codex, like like Venom had it with

1449
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,000
like you like stole it from I don't know some

1450
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,360
way shape or for him. It just I was saying

1451
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,000
it earlier, like it just seems like a lazy way

1452
01:03:56,039 --> 01:03:58,320
to put significance on Venom, and like this is the

1453
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,280
most important symbio because he's the one that as the.

1454
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,039
Speaker 3: Codex, but I chosen oneeness of it.

1455
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, to play a devil's advocate. That would kind of

1456
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:07,960
be my my pushback. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I

1457
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,320
don't know.

1458
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 2: They just I'd have to not that I'm gonna I'd

1459
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,119
have to watch Venom one the ending, see like the

1460
01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:16,559
state of Eddie's body when that happens, right, because I

1461
01:04:16,599 --> 01:04:19,119
remember he's not they show him get stabbed. I remember

1462
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,519
they at one point in Venom he like hits the water,

1463
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:23,679
I think, right, and then it's something where because they

1464
01:04:23,719 --> 01:04:26,599
try to pretend like Venom's dead, So I'd have to

1465
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:28,280
go back, but I'm not gonna do that. So I

1466
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:32,000
guess you could be right Kirkling that I guess he's

1467
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:33,920
not like flat lined, you know.

1468
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: Just counting on all you guys not wanting to go

1469
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:37,199
rewatch that first movie.

1470
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: He loved this. We're trying to give it views and

1471
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:40,199
you're not letting us, you.

1472
01:04:40,199 --> 01:04:43,559
Speaker 1: Know, uh, Doctor Payne. Yeah, I really liked Juno Temple

1473
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,440
in ted Lasso. I thought she was a character that

1474
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,719
I don't know, like I just thought nothing of like

1475
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,119
when she was first in that show, and then she

1476
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:53,360
really grew to like just be an interesting character, great performance,

1477
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,840
And I was really let down by her performance in here.

1478
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,440
I like, I don't even think it's necessarily all her.

1479
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,400
I think, well ninety percent of it I would imagine

1480
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,480
would be the writing. But also it's just like, because

1481
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,719
I haven't seen her do an American accent, I just

1482
01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:10,760
couldn't get past past that. She's a very thick accent

1483
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,840
in ted Lasso, so to just get this like American girl,

1484
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,360
I think because it it was so strange for me

1485
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,280
to hear the accent coming out of her mouth. A

1486
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,239
lot of the lines just felt so like flat, like

1487
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:25,320
as if she was just like like doing a table

1488
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,199
read type situation. And I don't want to try not

1489
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:31,400
to break the accent. Yeah, I don't want to just

1490
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:33,960
put that on her. It's just that's that's how that's

1491
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,480
how I kind of took those lines unfortunately, so I

1492
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:40,239
was really unimpressed with that, but also just the whole

1493
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,239
storyline around her and her brother, and I think it

1494
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,800
was one of those things where, like that storyline, I

1495
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,360
thought there was more significance to the Christmas character. All

1496
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:50,159
the cymbiels kind of pop off in the last few

1497
01:05:50,199 --> 01:05:52,760
minutes of the movie. So I just felt like we

1498
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,360
were getting a lot of set up and I just

1499
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,719
never got a lot of that answer, because like, how

1500
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:00,440
does it end. She just, I guess is living her

1501
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,639
brother's dream by working at Area fifty five. I now

1502
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:07,360
she has these lightning powers, and it's just that just

1503
01:06:07,360 --> 01:06:09,800
where we're going now, like like she just is a

1504
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:12,480
venom character, like like she still has that symbiode and

1505
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,280
she's it's also like when she pulls out the vial

1506
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,199
and she just like activates her powers, it just felt

1507
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:22,639
very unearned and like notice like a satisfying I don't

1508
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:27,039
know savior. Event I'm completely agreeance with what you said, Travis,

1509
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,039
of just acting her from the movie, Uh, not just

1510
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:31,679
the actress, but just like the character.

1511
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you compare her like Symbiot moment

1512
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,719
to everyone else, it's way more muted, right, she just

1513
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,639
gets to like save one person and then it's kind

1514
01:06:41,679 --> 01:06:45,800
of over at that point, which is disproportionate Helmas like

1515
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,840
screen time that character gott and how much she's like

1516
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,679
actually given a backstory, whereas no one else has given

1517
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:53,559
a backstory in this at all. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind

1518
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:58,079
of weird, random, random, kind of nippick about. Like, so

1519
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:00,960
the situation here at Area fifty one, they're shutting down

1520
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:03,559
Area fifty one, decommissioning it, so they're kind of just

1521
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:05,320
blowing up random stuff like one by.

1522
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: One acid bath everything, and then the acid.

1523
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 3: Bath, which is like how would Venom know to go there?

1524
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,960
And it's it's very like why is there just an

1525
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,519
acid bath? Like it's none of it really made any sense.

1526
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:18,880
But nearby Area fifty five, it's like right there, it's connected.

1527
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,639
I don't exactly know geography wise, but like it's a

1528
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:25,320
hidden secret base, and presumably that secret base is gonna

1529
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,599
continue doing it secret based stuff after Area fifty one,

1530
01:07:28,639 --> 01:07:32,440
they're gonna keep the Symbio program going there. So it's like, okay,

1531
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,320
first of all, that's really risky that like okay, the

1532
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,960
security around this base is gonna be taken down, so

1533
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:40,800
now there's like no layers of security. And then also

1534
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:45,679
their base is hidden behind like a sand waterfall, which

1535
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:48,159
is not a thing, right, so people who would go

1536
01:07:48,239 --> 01:07:51,199
there would see that like, oh there's a sand waterfall.

1537
01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:53,679
That's not a real thing. I wonder what's happening over there,

1538
01:07:53,719 --> 01:07:55,800
and they would like discover this hidden base. It's like

1539
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:57,679
the worst way to hide a base is some crazy

1540
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:02,599
natural phenomena that doesn't exist. So uh yeah, that's my nitpick.

1541
01:08:02,639 --> 01:08:05,519
There has the dumbest thing ever. Yeah, maybe it looked

1542
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:07,480
cool a little bit, but like save that for doone. Okay,

1543
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,000
we don't need that in venom over here.

1544
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,599
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, though, if you saw sand waterfall,

1545
01:08:12,599 --> 01:08:14,559
he wouldn't go in there a bit though, right that

1546
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:15,199
might beat ach.

1547
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 3: I might not, but like people like cave diving and

1548
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,199
exploring and stuff, that's yeah, that'd be a great thing

1549
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:23,920
to do, world's first sand waterfall that doesn't exist in

1550
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,640
Mario sixty four, like they would be.

1551
01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,319
Speaker 2: All over that, that's true, you know, yeah, I know

1552
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:32,119
that was all silly, silly stuff. All they can't be

1553
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,880
sending messages from up there and everything like that, all.

1554
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,279
Speaker 1: Right, and then the just speaking of the acid bath

1555
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:44,640
Rex is like his death. I was I was giggling

1556
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,239
so hard in this sequence because like Venom goes out

1557
01:08:47,239 --> 01:08:52,159
of his way to shield Eddie and then he's just

1558
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,119
basically using Rex for his eyeballs right to activate the

1559
01:08:55,199 --> 01:08:58,399
venom or sorry, the acid bath and then does the

1560
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,439
first that picks them up get him to do it again?

1561
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,840
I mean, well, he's just getting pelted by these little

1562
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:09,319
acid droplets, and just like the camera went back to

1563
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:10,920
him like a couple of times, it's like all the

1564
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,439
showers getting heavier, he's getting more acid on him.

1565
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,560
Speaker 2: And I understand it because clearly, if they're there well

1566
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,319
on like a regular day, right, it's just whatever they're melting.

1567
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,279
It's probably not overgrowing and moving so like asides and

1568
01:09:22,359 --> 01:09:25,399
moving stuff. But you think if you're like doing acid bass,

1569
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:31,720
you'd have some container overwhere there's nothing here that would

1570
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,199
shield like even at least give you a chance to

1571
01:09:33,279 --> 01:09:35,880
run away. But yeah, and I couldn't. I was like, oh,

1572
01:09:36,039 --> 01:09:38,239
like he's gonna get a little bit. But I'm like, oh,

1573
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:40,239
maybe this is some character I don't know everything, And

1574
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:42,680
I see him reaching for that grenade. I'm like, oh

1575
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,399
my god, he's just gonna and he did. He just

1576
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,520
killed himself. I was like, wow, there goes, there goes Rex.

1577
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,800
You know, I guess he's no longer at the Imperium.

1578
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 3: So and yeah, so Rex the actor that he played

1579
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,479
Barren Mordo right in there. You think you think it's

1580
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:01,800
a variant the varyant.

1581
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,079
Speaker 2: Situation, I'm gonna say, I hope not.

1582
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 3: Or how about Andy Serkis because he's uh, I guess

1583
01:10:08,039 --> 01:10:12,079
he's now null and also uh claw Law.

1584
01:10:12,399 --> 01:10:16,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say, because they don't look just similar voices.

1585
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,920
And then I'm gonna say this Bear Mortars twin brother

1586
01:10:20,399 --> 01:10:23,880
Rex Mortar, but he changed it. He changed it to

1587
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,720
Strickland because that's a cool name as well.

1588
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,560
Speaker 3: But I love the sony versions of the the Marvel portals,

1589
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,319
just like cheap, cheaper yellow portals.

1590
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,119
Speaker 1: They don't like it's pleasant to go through, you know,

1591
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,840
they like you just kind of get taught, sparkly and fun.

1592
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, I hope he gets to come back

1593
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:45,399
and be bearing in because if everyone forgets remember the

1594
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,239
end credit of Doctor Strange one was no more Sorcerers,

1595
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:51,760
And that's twenty sixteen, and we're still waiting to find out.

1596
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 3: What's because the multiverse was a different one.

1597
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,359
Speaker 2: A variant as well. So yeah, we still don't know

1598
01:10:57,399 --> 01:11:00,600
what he's been up to. So yeah, it too bad,

1599
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,399
don't I don't want him as back as Rex, so

1600
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,359
I'll say that Barren.

1601
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:07,520
Speaker 1: Sure, let Rex sleep, Let him sleep, let him have

1602
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,720
his acid bath. I want to shout out one scene

1603
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,880
before I forget, because I know i'll forget. It's when

1604
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:16,680
Eddie wakes up, uh, and he's trying to talk to

1605
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:18,800
to Venom and he's in like the hospital bed. This

1606
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,640
is when he wakes up in New York and there's

1607
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:24,520
a voice says, you know, like you know he's not

1608
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,800
gonna wake up and that. This was another part that

1609
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:29,640
was just so funny in the movie because Ty, like

1610
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:30,840
Ty was sitting next to me, and I just heard

1611
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,600
him say, like like under his breath, like like who

1612
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,279
is it gonna be, like like it's gonna be like

1613
01:11:34,319 --> 01:11:38,399
a big significant character or something. The camera just goes

1614
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:40,880
to this most generic looking white dude ever, and I

1615
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,640
swear to God, the cameras on him for like five

1616
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:45,000
or six seconds of just like trying to like like

1617
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:47,880
emphasize like this is the character he's talking to. Yeah,

1618
01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:51,159
and it's just like, who the fuck is that? It

1619
01:11:51,279 --> 01:11:53,279
was just such a funny, like like build up, like

1620
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:55,159
who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be? It's like

1621
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,239
that guy, Wait a minute, who the fuck is that?

1622
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:01,079
But I just could not stop giggling in the theater

1623
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,000
because of that. So yeah, I don't know, I was

1624
01:12:04,079 --> 01:12:06,079
I don't know who I was expecting that to be

1625
01:12:06,319 --> 01:12:08,920
in that seat, but definitely not just some random general

1626
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,880
that exhumed him of all his Your sponge spongemed different? Yeah? Did?

1627
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,119
Speaker 3: Did Tyler? Like the Hidalgo scene with the horse.

1628
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:23,279
Speaker 1: I didn't actually bring that up. We'll have to ask him.

1629
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:24,159
Speaker 2: Loved it.

1630
01:12:24,319 --> 01:12:27,199
Speaker 1: He'll be looking at this, so he'll have to comment, yeah, let.

1631
01:12:27,079 --> 01:12:30,279
Speaker 2: Us know, yeah on the patron, but yeah, in that

1632
01:12:30,359 --> 01:12:33,079
scene would have made more sense for Shrickland to survive

1633
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,359
and then to kind of have like a full circle

1634
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,079
moment because something.

1635
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:42,640
Speaker 1: They never He's like two face just all melted.

1636
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 2: Ay bye, this is Rex Stricklan miss his paramortal and

1637
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:51,920
that's how it happens. But like they also another plot

1638
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,520
element that just like the oh you'd make a good

1639
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,399
dad thing that wasn't needed the whole We see Eddie

1640
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,199
Brock himself kill somebody, right, and they do this moment

1641
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:03,600
where he shoots his guard and he's on the log

1642
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,079
and he's like having him. I'm like, okay, maybe something

1643
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:07,479
to show on and then right away he gets pulled

1644
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:09,520
away from like a vandom thing and it's off and

1645
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,000
then they don't mention it for like forty five minutes,

1646
01:13:12,079 --> 01:13:14,079
and then Rex was like, yeah, you killed my guys,

1647
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:16,600
and then Edie's like, well, you made me do it.

1648
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,039
It's just like all right, and then it just that,

1649
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,079
like that doesn't nothing gets resolved of that again because

1650
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,840
Venom secretly sneaked up from Christmas and then they start

1651
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,840
fighting and then it's like run and so it's like

1652
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,199
nothing gets I guess it was a resolution. Eddie was

1653
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:33,399
torn about it, but he was not torn when he realized, ah, man,

1654
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:34,760
they made me do it. I don't feel bad about

1655
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,399
killing an extra life. Now it's like he's a sponge.

1656
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:38,600
Now he's explosed. And even then it's just like I

1657
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:40,359
get that they're criminals. In the beginning of the movie,

1658
01:13:40,399 --> 01:13:42,359
they're like, I really don't want to hurt you by

1659
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:45,560
like I'm giving you the last chance warning, and like

1660
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:48,960
they're still murdering people. I don't care if it's Venom

1661
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:52,159
biting the heads off. He's actively helping Vanom murder people.

1662
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,640
And same thing. I get it. This guard is like

1663
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,000
a US official, probably an innocent that's just doing their job.

1664
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:01,319
But it's just like at this point of a year

1665
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:04,119
of massacring people, I don't know. And again, if you're

1666
01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:06,640
gonna do this story of man Eddie Brock feels back

1667
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,239
because he's personally killed, someone do something with it. They

1668
01:14:09,279 --> 01:14:12,399
introduced it to have bring up twice, it goes nowhere.

1669
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,880
It's just it's odd. That's why I have to believe

1670
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,079
there's either a script that has torn up pages or

1671
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,600
there's stuff they filmed. And I'm not saying I want

1672
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:21,439
this cut because I don't think anything would make it better.

1673
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,039
But I just feel like with Rex with Pain, with

1674
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:26,359
this storyline, I don't think there is anything with the

1675
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:28,119
family because I thought it was weird that he hated

1676
01:14:28,119 --> 01:14:30,399
the family, that he wants them, But this storyline of

1677
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,199
feeling guilty and then nothing comes of it, It's like,

1678
01:14:33,239 --> 01:14:36,159
why is this there? Don't like just it's a it's

1679
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:37,600
supposed to be a schlocky good time.

1680
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:38,039
Speaker 1: Just do that.

1681
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:41,039
Speaker 2: Don't make fucking Eddie worry that he took a life,

1682
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:43,439
you know it. Just move along, make them a shit,

1683
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,279
just make them shitty military people, and you're a sponged.

1684
01:14:46,079 --> 01:14:46,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1685
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that it took until the third movie to happened.

1686
01:14:49,279 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 2: That, Yes, that realization and why well came out of this,

1687
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:54,800
like why now you know?

1688
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely brush the under the rug.

1689
01:14:57,319 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: Because like he does that and then right away he

1690
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,039
meets the family, so we're onto that dynamic. It's not

1691
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:04,039
like I could understand if that wasn't in the movie

1692
01:15:04,079 --> 01:15:06,159
and imagine that, think about and I don't even know

1693
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:08,560
what the hands of these people, if it would be written. Well,

1694
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,680
but take all the family stuff and that stuff is

1695
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:14,000
like Eddie really coming to terms or they killed the

1696
01:15:14,039 --> 01:15:16,079
person and we've done all this and maybe he shouldn't

1697
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:17,800
be doing this again. I don't think it would be

1698
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,199
that fun to watch, but at least I don't understand.

1699
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:22,239
But no, we just we move on. We meet a

1700
01:15:22,319 --> 01:15:22,760
family and.

1701
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:25,640
Speaker 3: The last dance, we gotta dance, we gotta fight, Yeah,

1702
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,319
gotta ride horses, gotta ride horses.

1703
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know says something else I had

1704
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:34,239
there was another thing we're talking about.

1705
01:15:34,399 --> 01:15:36,319
Speaker 3: Just post credit for me this last note.

1706
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,159
Speaker 2: Oh right, Mulligan, that's a genuine laugh. I got where Okay,

1707
01:15:41,279 --> 01:15:44,800
So he's his character from the second one. He's been saved,

1708
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:48,760
he's being experimented on. They'd give the Symbiota scene, which

1709
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,039
they never said it was talxing, but he kind of looked.

1710
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:54,119
Speaker 1: It's gonna say that was supposed to be talksing. I thought, well,

1711
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:55,039
he's talking.

1712
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,199
Speaker 2: In the Colm books, but I don't think that was talks.

1713
01:15:57,039 --> 01:16:00,119
Speaker 1: But anyways, talks Like basically, it just seems like a

1714
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:03,239
genie symbio. He was a genie on everyone's side and

1715
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:06,640
giving them these little, uh, I don't know, prophetic truths.

1716
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:07,319
It seems.

1717
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 2: I guess an actor has to, Like you gotta get paid, right,

1718
01:16:11,079 --> 01:16:13,039
so I understand why you do it. But I just

1719
01:16:13,039 --> 01:16:15,119
feel like you get that script like I'm coming back,

1720
01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:17,680
I got the symbio last movie. I could do some

1721
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,439
fun stuff and you're just there to be in a

1722
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:25,279
hospital gown and deliver multiple expersis and jumps about knowl

1723
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,319
about uh shedding about how we're like me being a

1724
01:16:29,359 --> 01:16:31,680
similar like everything about the movie that doesn't really need it,

1725
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,520
but he's there, And man do I love when Okay,

1726
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,760
Christmas has a symbio it stinks to the venom. They

1727
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,039
all break out and the whole thing is all, well,

1728
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:41,520
they don't want him to get the codex, right, So

1729
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,239
I after this whole time being locked up, and he

1730
01:16:43,239 --> 01:16:46,239
seems like he's a more like reasonable symbiote as well,

1731
01:16:46,359 --> 01:16:48,880
like he's trying to help out because multiple symbio is Christmas, like,

1732
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:50,840
we're not bad, We're trying to help you because they

1733
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,119
have Rex murder and innocent Symbio two in the final act,

1734
01:16:54,119 --> 01:16:56,039
we didn't talk about that. He just bazook is somebody.

1735
01:16:56,439 --> 01:17:00,159
But I got a great laugh, not intention you know,

1736
01:17:00,319 --> 01:17:02,600
a great laugh as he gets out of his cell

1737
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,880
and he's like ron Eddie. He holds the thing back

1738
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,319
and it just gobbles him right up. So this character

1739
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,680
that has been here for I don't know, fifteen twenty

1740
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,920
minutes in the movie finally third like that, like the

1741
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:16,279
role Christmases was in. I would have believed him in

1742
01:17:16,319 --> 01:17:18,680
that role because at least he's supporting character throughout the movie.

1743
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,279
But no, that actors came in did the dumb and

1744
01:17:21,319 --> 01:17:22,880
oh you can do some cool stuff. Now we're just

1745
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,239
gonna have the thing eat and shoot you out. I

1746
01:17:24,399 --> 01:17:27,399
was like, man, how just and I just like Rid

1747
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:29,520
has an actor. Of course you're gonna pay, just like, like, man,

1748
01:17:30,079 --> 01:17:32,920
this sucks, Like this is what I'm coming back for.

1749
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:34,880
Like I was supposed set up to be like a

1750
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,399
villain and now I'm just like this guy. So I

1751
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,399
got a good laugh out of them just killing him

1752
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:40,640
off right when he go out of his prison cell.

1753
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:40,840
You know.

1754
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,039
Speaker 3: So I gotta say I love the uh the aliens

1755
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,800
having just like a full on wood chipper inside their heads.

1756
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:48,399
Speaker 2: Mmm.

1757
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 3: I thought that was I thought that was a fun visual.

1758
01:17:51,039 --> 01:17:53,880
Very grotesque, yeah, but quite fitting. And then when they

1759
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,640
eat up the different symbiotes and shoot out like different

1760
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,920
color goo and whatnot.

1761
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,359
Speaker 1: That's good stuff stuff.

1762
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 2: Anything else to bring up about the last dance here?

1763
01:18:06,399 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 3: Well, I did in our discord tell you guys not

1764
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:11,640
to stay around for the post credit? Did you stick

1765
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:12,680
around for the post credit?

1766
01:18:13,039 --> 01:18:15,640
Speaker 2: Taylor made me. Taylor wanted to stay for the post credit,

1767
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,720
so and we didn't even see the last three seconds

1768
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:20,319
of the post credit got cut off. So I stilled

1769
01:18:20,359 --> 01:18:25,039
to pull up on YouTube regardless. Yeah, I just googled it.

1770
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:29,279
Speaker 1: I didn't even YouTube long Cris Danny Rojas escaping area

1771
01:18:29,279 --> 01:18:30,800
of credits were so long.

1772
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they kind of show like there's a crock

1773
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,680
Yeah it is cockroach and a crockroad. A cockroach looks

1774
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:43,079
like it has some like symbio stuff on it. So again,

1775
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:45,479
just like Venom one, they tease Venoms dead and he

1776
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,560
could be out there. I guess that's the same thing.

1777
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,760
Oh for remind me we have to talk about the

1778
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,760
song trace of the Anti Exist. But yeah, that's what

1779
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,840
it was. Was it looks like the Simo could still

1780
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,600
be out there. Even though I thought what was gonna

1781
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,760
happen is I thought, oh, maybe this will still have

1782
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,319
My thought, Oh Tom Hardy is gonna go to Holmes

1783
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,039
universe and that thing is still there, right, So that's

1784
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:06,840
how he would get Venom back because there's like a

1785
01:19:06,920 --> 01:19:10,479
piece of Venom in another universe. I thought, Okay, like

1786
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,680
I don't want that happened, but that would make sense, right,

1787
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:16,520
But this is just like fake death of Okay, Venom exploded.

1788
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:18,880
Now he's he's still around. It's like all right, and

1789
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,800
I know, like again I don't know how Knol's out,

1790
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:26,039
but yeah, very very odd seen for the guy. You know,

1791
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,520
good for him. He's getting work as a postcard actor

1792
01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:29,520
in the Sony universe.

1793
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,279
Speaker 3: So m the what's up with the little electricity at

1794
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:36,239
the cockroach? Was going up to? What do you guys

1795
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:37,920
think that means?

1796
01:19:38,199 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: If anything?

1797
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 2: No idea, I'm not sure. Is that that lady's vile doctor.

1798
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:47,279
Speaker 3: Pans looked like it? Yeah, hybrid moment.

1799
01:19:47,359 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: Venom gonna come back? It's teasing Miles Morales. Was his

1800
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:55,600
electricity powers? That's yeah, he's there. Yeah, No, I had

1801
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,560
no idea. I was. I was caught off guard.

1802
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 1: No, no idea.

1803
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,199
Speaker 2: Oh Taylor's venom came out?

1804
01:20:03,239 --> 01:20:05,319
Speaker 1: There was like, no, we have no idea.

1805
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:07,840
Speaker 3: Taylor. Are you glad that you decided to stick around

1806
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:08,760
to watch that scene?

1807
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 4: I am glad?

1808
01:20:10,119 --> 01:20:11,239
Speaker 2: I are you really?

1809
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,039
Speaker 4: Yeah? I just think that, like could I have watched

1810
01:20:14,119 --> 01:20:14,640
on YouTube?

1811
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

1812
01:20:15,279 --> 01:20:18,279
Speaker 1: I absolutely could have, but uh, you know, it was

1813
01:20:18,279 --> 01:20:18,479
a bit.

1814
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:20,560
Speaker 4: It got a laugh out of me just seeing like

1815
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,960
this the destroyed bunker zone area fifty one in the cave,

1816
01:20:24,079 --> 01:20:26,239
and I was not expecting just to see this fucking

1817
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:32,239
bartender just oh oh no, start freaking out because everything's

1818
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:33,720
the story. So that got a chuckle out of me.

1819
01:20:34,039 --> 01:20:35,960
But I did enjoy just getting that quick snip bit

1820
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,039
of saying that, Okay, this is how we get a

1821
01:20:38,119 --> 01:20:40,840
venom back because it's some cockroach that's kind of latched

1822
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,600
onto a to symbio. As for the vial having like

1823
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:49,520
electrical spark, I just took it as well. I thought, okay,

1824
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:54,199
well it would be like the venom vile. But then

1825
01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:55,600
I thought, well, maybe it was the one that the

1826
01:20:55,680 --> 01:21:01,119
girl had crushed because that was her symbio. But yeah,

1827
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:02,840
I'll just be telling myself that I know.

1828
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: It's just this.

1829
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:07,039
Speaker 4: This cockroach has that venom what do they call it?

1830
01:21:07,439 --> 01:21:13,680
The symbia not discharge the viral. Oh, there's a term that.

1831
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:17,359
Speaker 2: That they gave its shedding viral.

1832
01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 1: I think that's.

1833
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 3: My god, what does that even mean?

1834
01:21:23,399 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 1: Shedding those virals, shedding those eyes?

1835
01:21:26,399 --> 01:21:26,600
Speaker 3: Huh?

1836
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: Cool?

1837
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 2: And then what happens is so venom. We talked about this,

1838
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:35,279
I guess we just alluded to it. But he gets

1839
01:21:35,359 --> 01:21:37,960
all the alien creatures, He like sucks them all up.

1840
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:38,399
Speaker 3: You know.

1841
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 2: Cool, You're seeing venom in like a big state turns

1842
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,359
on the acid. We only talk about Rex's death and

1843
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,479
so vandom He's like, oh, you know don't forget about me. Oh,

1844
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,600
just dumb ship between Yeah, dumb ship between Eddie and

1845
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:52,560
you know. And I also just laughed too. It's like

1846
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,359
that seeing the copter where he's saying goodbye to him

1847
01:21:55,359 --> 01:21:57,560
because Venom's not there. It's just Tom Hardy just acting

1848
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:59,479
his ass off to like nothing, you know, like I'd

1849
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:00,960
love to say it, but Whiche was just and he's

1850
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:04,560
like looking around, but he's gone. You we already talked

1851
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:08,319
about it. The nobody army guy sponges them. So then

1852
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:12,960
he goes to New York and it's him walking down

1853
01:22:13,079 --> 01:22:14,960
the road to get to a spot where he can

1854
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:18,600
see the statue Liberty and they play actually.

1855
01:22:18,399 --> 01:22:20,239
Speaker 3: He kind of just wakes up in New York first

1856
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:22,640
of all, which like I guess they transported him there.

1857
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he wake up in New York?

1858
01:22:24,399 --> 01:22:26,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in the hospital bed, I presume he was

1859
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:27,720
like knocked out and that's the first time he woke

1860
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:29,079
up after the whole encounter.

1861
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,239
Speaker 2: But in the hospital bed, was that New York? Yeah,

1862
01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:33,640
And they didn't confirm, they didn't they didn't say welcome

1863
01:22:33,720 --> 01:22:34,279
to New York.

1864
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, because it were like in the city

1865
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,880
of New York. And then he wakes up like what

1866
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:41,720
we would just show us a shot of New York

1867
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:42,960
and then transport to a hospital.

1868
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 4: But I don't remember it's showing you. I don't remember

1869
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,439
any I remember it was just him lying on the

1870
01:22:46,479 --> 01:22:49,199
ground and then he woke up in the bed saying buddy, buddy,

1871
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:49,680
are you there?

1872
01:22:50,199 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: And then New York is area fifty one that's decommissioned.

1873
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he goes the sponge him and then

1874
01:22:56,319 --> 01:22:58,279
he goes to New York, Like I don't think, because

1875
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:02,199
why would they climb to New York? They can all well, no,

1876
01:23:02,319 --> 01:23:03,880
and then they all yeah, he had the judge, but

1877
01:23:04,079 --> 01:23:06,840
he wanted to see the statue Liberty. But I can't remember.

1878
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:11,039
Was I think it was a Maroon five song or something. Yeah, yeah,

1879
01:23:11,119 --> 01:23:15,039
memory when that hit, Yeah, I was like Jesus Christ.

1880
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:17,880
And that's where it literally just feels like they watched

1881
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,800
it put over and like, oh, everyone loved that good

1882
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,680
Riddence reel they did with Green Dagy. We should do

1883
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:23,359
something like.

1884
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:25,239
Speaker 1: That one, this song that's five years old.

1885
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've not earned it at all, I think critically.

1886
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,640
But even then, just like three, like I just feel

1887
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,239
like maybe I'm wrong, Maybe someone's watched this crime, but

1888
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:34,520
I just feel like this sent off the Timmer and

1889
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,720
he was like, all right, Like, I don't this doesn't

1890
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,000
feel like ah send off to me. It's just like

1891
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:41,720
at the end of the movie and then yeah, that

1892
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:44,640
song choice kicked in and then just fade to black,

1893
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:48,479
and it's like, oh awful, Just just a perfect way

1894
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:52,640
to end this trilogy for what it was so not great.

1895
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me think back to all the memories

1896
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,479
that I've had on this Venom trilogy and I I

1897
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,439
don't know, I just could not stop laughing and throughout

1898
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,279
this whole Secrets. I think it was just like the

1899
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:05,520
cheesy little half smile that he that he that he

1900
01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:08,359
has on his face. He's like walking through downtown New

1901
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,279
York and he's just satisfied with what him and his

1902
01:24:11,319 --> 01:24:13,960
buddy Venom did on this journey and you know, goodbye

1903
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,720
for now. It's just I think it was just a

1904
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,039
lot of cheese. And I think it's one of those

1905
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:20,079
things where it's like I just don't believe that this

1906
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:22,319
will ever finally be done, like it just it's just

1907
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:24,560
I feel like that's too nice to be able to

1908
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,279
close this chapter of Tom Hardy's Venom like we're just

1909
01:24:27,359 --> 01:24:28,760
never gonna get anymore, but.

1910
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 2: It might be give it a situation we might see

1911
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,920
in Luck in the Back.

1912
01:24:35,039 --> 01:24:37,199
Speaker 1: I was like waiting though, for Vendom to like say

1913
01:24:37,279 --> 01:24:39,399
something in his mind, and then and then it just

1914
01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:42,079
actually put the credits, and I'm like, wow, Okay, they

1915
01:24:42,199 --> 01:24:45,800
actually they actually did it. Like I was like ninety

1916
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,920
percent convinced that Venom was gonna still somehow survive this.

1917
01:24:49,079 --> 01:24:51,800
So I guess, like kudos to them for having some

1918
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:56,840
consequence like Venom is dead. Well, yeah, that's the thing though, It's.

1919
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that roach will.

1920
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:04,119
Speaker 3: I guess it's technically ambiguous, but yes, yeah, just open

1921
01:25:04,239 --> 01:25:06,840
that door, crack it open that the whole.

1922
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,359
Speaker 4: End sequence so that I'm just going through all the

1923
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,119
different scenes. It was just weird because you get some

1924
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:15,520
shots of Venom from like the first film, it's like, well,

1925
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:19,239
the CGI looks so much worse there in comparison to

1926
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,880
just how he looks in this one. Maybe I'm just

1927
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,960
overthinking it, but it's just what it stood out of cuts.

1928
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,319
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't notice.

1929
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:29,960
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it was just I don't have that

1930
01:25:30,199 --> 01:25:33,760
sentimental attachment to this character. So what I'm going through

1931
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,640
and you're right, Kirkling, he's walking does this like half smirks.

1932
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:38,479
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not with you on this.

1933
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,239
Speaker 4: This is like this is there's no connection here to

1934
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:47,159
this character and just this emotional retrospect that he's dwelling

1935
01:25:47,239 --> 01:25:48,960
on as he's going to the Statue of Liberty.

1936
01:25:49,039 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 2: So that's funny. I just think they think they are

1937
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,600
like Deadpool where they go, oh, Deadpool can be extremely funny,

1938
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,000
but when they got to be emotional, they can do

1939
01:25:56,079 --> 01:25:57,920
it and it's like, I get what you're going for,

1940
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,319
but it's it's you're just not in that realm there.

1941
01:26:00,399 --> 01:26:03,279
Speaker 1: And even even the horse song choice, like, wasn't it

1942
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,920
like Guardian's three song? Like it Like it just seemed

1943
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,039
like they're really trying to like pull from like what

1944
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:14,119
you said with the when he's on the horse, it's not.

1945
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:16,039
Speaker 2: It's a queen song. I can't remember what you.

1946
01:26:16,239 --> 01:26:16,920
Speaker 3: Don't stop me now?

1947
01:26:17,239 --> 01:26:18,039
Speaker 1: Don't stop me now?

1948
01:26:18,359 --> 01:26:22,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that song Guardians. I felt like it at least okay,

1949
01:26:22,199 --> 01:26:23,880
they give me your Guardians for make a picture.

1950
01:26:24,199 --> 01:26:25,760
Speaker 3: I feel like that song is in like every movie

1951
01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:26,600
these days.

1952
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 2: Not Guardians three though it wasn't it wasn't.

1953
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 1: Uh Hostly Phill Brooklyn though they should have played at

1954
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:32,520
the end you know what.

1955
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,319
Speaker 2: He's at or I need a hero. It's one of

1956
01:26:34,399 --> 01:26:37,960
those too, you know, I keep forgetting.

1957
01:26:38,199 --> 01:26:38,319
Speaker 1: Oh.

1958
01:26:38,399 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: The other thing is just annoying me, is we just

1959
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,439
had to I feel like they showed clips from ven

1960
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:43,960
one and two, but in fact the majority of the

1961
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:46,159
clips was from this movie, so I was just rewatching,

1962
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:47,239
Like when they're showing him in like.

1963
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 3: At the bar, I remember, yeah, remember ten minutes ago?

1964
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:52,399
Speaker 4: Yes I did.

1965
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I don't. I don't need this, but we

1966
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:58,680
got it, and that that's that's the Venom trilogy. If

1967
01:26:58,720 --> 01:26:59,960
I don't, you know, maybe I did feel like I

1968
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:01,960
needed this when we got this an ass, I remember

1969
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,239
back in the day, and I guess, do we have

1970
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:07,800
any overall or any thoughts for going to overalls? Okay,

1971
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,159
then i'll do that here where I just remember before

1972
01:27:11,239 --> 01:27:14,399
this all start of like you know, DC's they're having

1973
01:27:14,399 --> 01:27:17,319
their struggles, they're trying to get going, and Marvel's kicking ass.

1974
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,920
And then just this idea of back then it was

1975
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,720
a radar movie. Never happened. It was a radar Venom

1976
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,680
movie starring Tom Hardy. He's like man that has and

1977
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,399
I think I remember too. It might have been. It's

1978
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,520
one of his last like on Dynamic Duel before Liam left.

1979
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,119
It's a if you don't know. It's like it used

1980
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:35,119
to be just like a com book show that me

1981
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:36,840
Kyle Leem used to host and Lem was on his

1982
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,239
way out and he was like starting to get that

1983
01:27:38,319 --> 01:27:41,399
superhero fatigue. But I remember just even like pitching him

1984
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,279
on Venom's like, oh, well, you know that sounds cool,

1985
01:27:43,359 --> 01:27:45,239
Like we all love Tom harn He just like to

1986
01:27:45,359 --> 01:27:47,399
think where we were from like twenty sixteen or seventeen

1987
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,880
from this being rumored to like kudos to them, you know,

1988
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,399
they made their money, they made the trilogy. Like who

1989
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:54,359
would have thought Venom would have had its own trilogy?

1990
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:59,880
Probably not me, but it definitely feels like the least

1991
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:05,520
consequential like trilogy and like the comic book realm, like

1992
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:07,960
this is like it's just gonna be such a blur.

1993
01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:09,560
It's just gonna be like in twenty nines, like oh

1994
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,720
remember when Tom Hardy was Venomed like the next Venom

1995
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,079
person wee can It's just it just felt like such

1996
01:28:15,119 --> 01:28:18,520
a waste of time. And I've never I watched Venom

1997
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:22,560
one again, but I've never watched two again and I've

1998
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,319
never watched this and even if the kids wanted to

1999
01:28:24,359 --> 01:28:26,520
watch it shirts on TV, but I'll be on my phone,

2000
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:28,960
like I have no reason of revisiting. It just feel

2001
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:31,960
like such a nothing trilogy. But hey, they were successful,

2002
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:34,000
they found people that liked it. This is not a

2003
01:28:34,039 --> 01:28:37,279
good movie. I'm giving this one out of ten half

2004
01:28:37,359 --> 01:28:39,720
star for Rice Iphens because I didn't like the family stuff,

2005
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:41,760
but I thought he killed it as like he knew

2006
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:44,119
what his job was. And I at the other half

2007
01:28:44,119 --> 01:28:45,960
start because I don't think the simular action at the

2008
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:48,760
end was completely all like. I think they delivered on

2009
01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,319
a big third act and I agree that sometimes there

2010
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,079
is just a just it's just guck everywhere, but there

2011
01:28:54,159 --> 01:28:55,920
is other times where like, okay, that's creative or I

2012
01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:59,800
like different variants, but that's really it. I didn't laugh

2013
01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:04,199
intentionally other than a few more and things, character dynamics

2014
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,920
and motivations are all over the place writing. Yeah, I

2015
01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:11,680
just a what a trilogy. And I'm very curious to

2016
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:13,960
see the next two weeks of the box office because

2017
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,560
I feel like it even in my audience, like I

2018
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:19,439
alluded to the Naunce was, it feels like the shtick

2019
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,520
is up now made for people you know that love

2020
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,159
for Venom. It's like, I don't think it's like Deadpool

2021
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:26,359
w Olverrain where it kept building or Deadpool. I think

2022
01:29:26,399 --> 01:29:28,880
this was like, hey, I think Venom almost like Taya said,

2023
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:30,920
you know, six eight years ago, I was down for Venom,

2024
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,960
but now I don't think I need Venom anymore. And

2025
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:36,319
people didn't need Joker, they didn't need Captain Marvel, they

2026
01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:39,439
didn't need auckamand so I don't know, is there a

2027
01:29:39,439 --> 01:29:41,520
place for Venom. I think we could end it here.

2028
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,359
Let's have Craven come out and Sony just do your

2029
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:47,119
animated stuff. I did say to Taya in the car

2030
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:48,640
that I have more faith at least that I think

2031
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,560
Craven will be better than this. I would hope it's

2032
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:52,960
just gonna be a bit more simpler, if like a

2033
01:29:53,039 --> 01:29:54,960
revenge tale. But you never know.

2034
01:29:55,399 --> 01:29:58,199
Speaker 3: So if you're watching the trailer again on the big screen,

2035
01:29:58,279 --> 01:29:59,920
I can't agree with that.

2036
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 2: Do you think Craveon's gonna be worse than this?

2037
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,279
Speaker 3: I think it very well could be worse. Wow, Okay, yeah,

2038
01:30:06,359 --> 01:30:08,640
I mean, uh, I think my number. You know, it's

2039
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:10,720
hard when you get down to these low numbers, your ones,

2040
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:13,279
your two's your three is like, what's the difference. I

2041
01:30:13,319 --> 01:30:15,000
don't really know. I was thinking for the meme, should

2042
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:16,800
I give this a three because it's a third Venom movie?

2043
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,800
But that felt too high, So I'm gonna go with

2044
01:30:20,119 --> 01:30:22,640
a two out of ten because this is the second

2045
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,399
Venom movie that I'm seeing, So I give it that

2046
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:28,359
juicy number two, you know, one point for Eddy Brock,

2047
01:30:28,399 --> 01:30:29,239
one point for Venom.

2048
01:30:29,279 --> 01:30:34,359
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, Yeah, because it might

2049
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,880
be the highest. So I'll end off with Taylor in

2050
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:37,479
a high note.

2051
01:30:38,119 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this one a two out of ten.

2052
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,800
My reasoning for that is I don't know what it

2053
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:47,279
gave a one on recently. Probably one of the fantastic

2054
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,359
retros that we did. Maybe I'm not sure.

2055
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,399
Speaker 2: Check out Patreon to find out.

2056
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have my finger ready for the for

2057
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:59,159
the clip, I feel like it is better than some

2058
01:30:59,279 --> 01:31:03,039
of those one that I've seen lately. But also I'm

2059
01:31:03,119 --> 01:31:05,520
probably gonna give this a one out of five on letterbox,

2060
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,920
so that would be two out of ten. So there

2061
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,439
you go. I like it nice.

2062
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,199
Speaker 3: That feels too high when you say that way.

2063
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,159
Speaker 2: I have to look at it because for me, it's

2064
01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:20,359
definitely not. I know, taylor're gonna go, I'm gonna ask

2065
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:22,319
the same question because I got Woody Woodpecker there. But

2066
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,399
do you guys, like, is this your worst film in

2067
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:26,039
the year so far?

2068
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:29,159
Speaker 3: Man, it's it's a hard battle for this in Web

2069
01:31:29,279 --> 01:31:31,680
for me because Web, right, I forgot I guess I

2070
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:33,760
had more. But I do think this is a better

2071
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:36,920
movie than Web. But even then, it's like we kind

2072
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:39,840
of just talked about how bad the plaud and characters

2073
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,720
and writing hard in this, So I don't even know anymore.

2074
01:31:41,760 --> 01:31:44,239
It's not a great year for Sony movies.

2075
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, one of the Sony's movies.

2076
01:31:46,920 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 2: Is that one.

2077
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:48,560
Speaker 1: I guess for sure.

2078
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,159
Speaker 2: I just love that too. Before you go, Taylor, We're like, well,

2079
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:55,199
there's not that much MCU stuff like Deadpool, Agatha, there's

2080
01:31:55,279 --> 01:31:57,760
some other stuff, so we'll do like the Marvel Awards, right,

2081
01:31:57,800 --> 01:32:03,199
like we'll open it up. It's like much yeah, Like,

2082
01:32:03,319 --> 01:32:05,199
let's hope Craven at least this is like a six

2083
01:32:05,279 --> 01:32:06,920
out of ten, Like are we gonna be able to

2084
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,520
get three Best Male Actors in the Marvel Wards? Like

2085
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,439
is there another show missing for mc it's come out

2086
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:13,840
this year?

2087
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:17,520
Speaker 3: Echo start right, Echo, Okay, we we got that goes

2088
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:20,680
get Yeah, ninety seven, you know that's where we're all

2089
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:21,119
the juices.

2090
01:32:21,399 --> 01:32:24,039
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we're good. We got we got ninety

2091
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:26,439
seven and dead PuO Wolverine, the Little three projects. So

2092
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,159
there we go, and maybe Craven, hopefully maybe Craven be standup.

2093
01:32:29,199 --> 01:32:33,079
Will we also be surprised? But h Taylor, you get

2094
01:32:33,119 --> 01:32:36,520
to end this off the floor is yours? Yeah? I am.

2095
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:43,119
Speaker 4: I'm feeling optimistic on this, even though again it's it's messy,

2096
01:32:43,359 --> 01:32:46,279
it's not got great writing, but I still I enjoyed

2097
01:32:46,279 --> 01:32:49,359
the action, and I enjoyed other little things. But a

2098
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:51,720
big con for me too is you guys have already

2099
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:55,680
highlighted this that yeah, he takes a risk when he's

2100
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:59,199
dancing in this Chang goes full venom suit, but that's

2101
01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:01,279
really the only scenario where we get to see it

2102
01:33:01,359 --> 01:33:03,600
he brought in the actual suit aside from like the

2103
01:33:04,399 --> 01:33:07,119
dog scene at the at the start, but like it

2104
01:33:07,159 --> 01:33:09,239
would be well, even then, he wasn't really in the suit.

2105
01:33:09,279 --> 01:33:13,920
He's just being like thrown around by the the Venom limbs,

2106
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,680
So it just would have been cool to actually get

2107
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,479
him in the full body Suit a little bit more

2108
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:19,640
so that's a big con.

2109
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,079
Speaker 1: What do you got adding on to that? Did not

2110
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:24,960
need to see Venom and Suit riding a motorbike. It's

2111
01:33:25,079 --> 01:33:28,560
just I don't know, it's not the climactic and to

2112
01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:30,840
e like this is like final hours of his life,

2113
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,439
you know, if I never gonna see Venom again. One

2114
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,279
of the final sequens he's did was running away on

2115
01:33:36,439 --> 01:33:39,279
a on a motorbike, and it just I don't know,

2116
01:33:39,399 --> 01:33:42,600
I'd rather like a Symbio horse, you know, or like

2117
01:33:42,640 --> 01:33:45,720
a Symbio bike that maybe no like for the final

2118
01:33:45,960 --> 01:33:48,760
like I don't know, just had to throw out there

2119
01:33:49,079 --> 01:33:50,159
it's ress horse.

2120
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:53,720
Speaker 2: He doesn't come to work on a car motorcycles like

2121
01:33:53,720 --> 01:34:00,640
I got a horse back there, Like what I rewant again?

2122
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 4: Yes, but I need to answer your other question, like

2123
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:05,119
from the start, like I obviously if it's between this

2124
01:34:05,159 --> 01:34:07,159
and Joker Too, i'd be going Joker too over this.

2125
01:34:08,399 --> 01:34:13,800
I I think I'm gonna go course, Yeah, come on,

2126
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:19,600
I wanted to go a five out of ten, but

2127
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:21,199
I'm feeling like a four out of ten.

2128
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,279
Speaker 2: Oh so you're gonna rewatch the scene though it's a four, hey,

2129
01:34:24,319 --> 01:34:27,239
because I feel like that's I don't rewatch too many

2130
01:34:27,359 --> 01:34:30,279
fits like today I rewatched Smile because I watched my

2131
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:31,800
two and you me did not like this, says like,

2132
01:34:32,199 --> 01:34:34,039
did I hate this as much? So sometimes I do

2133
01:34:34,199 --> 01:34:34,880
test up movies.

2134
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,359
Speaker 4: I fail, but you think we're like sure, as you

2135
01:34:37,399 --> 01:34:39,520
said earlier, like oh, I could just go on YouTube

2136
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,079
and just you know, YouTube have some cool fight scenes

2137
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:46,039
from the movie instead of rewatching the whole thing. But

2138
01:34:46,119 --> 01:34:48,119
I mean, I haven't gone back and rewatched the second one.

2139
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,199
I don't think I've ad all gone back and rewatched

2140
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:53,039
the first one. So yeah, I'll go with a four

2141
01:34:53,079 --> 01:34:56,520
out of ten. I think that'll just suit this, suit

2142
01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:58,720
this rating for this film quite well.

2143
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 2: And clearly it's not this but not so you're not

2144
01:35:01,079 --> 01:35:02,640
left out there, Taylor, what's your worst movie?

2145
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:02,840
Speaker 1: Year?

2146
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 2: Before I hit end stream.

2147
01:35:05,319 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 4: I checked my letterbox list and I have Rebel Moon Heart,

2148
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:11,039
iwos my last I forgot about that.

2149
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:19,279
Speaker 2: My Irish Wish, Irish wilt. Okay, Irish Wish is better

2150
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:20,680
than Fottom three now.

2151
01:35:21,279 --> 01:35:23,319
Speaker 3: Sorry, Venom Venom is above those three.

2152
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah I put that.

2153
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:34,119
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot about that scene. Oh but anyways, but.

2154
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: A long year, I feel like there's a lot of projects.

2155
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,079
I kind of forget that came out this year.

2156
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:40,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happens these movies.

2157
01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:45,039
Speaker 3: You know, So Dune came out, Well you had that

2158
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,279
ready to go, do it?

2159
01:35:48,199 --> 01:35:57,560
Speaker 2: Do it? Kill Dylan there from that's and it's supposed

2160
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,920
to be the serious scene where they like quickly it's

2161
01:36:00,039 --> 01:36:02,920
only three seconds, where so few would tell main characters

2162
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,640
a flashback, and they're telling her to kill this little girl,

2163
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:07,760
so clearly very dramatic. And you know, this guy who's

2164
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,680
playing like the Emperor and he's not a good actor,

2165
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,680
and it is just and that's he's instructing her to,

2166
01:36:14,119 --> 01:36:18,479
you know, to kill man he needs and he can't.

2167
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:20,880
That's a three. But he keeps talking like that this

2168
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:23,439
whole time. You're trying to like find the serious scene

2169
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:25,720
and he's going off and uh and.

2170
01:36:27,399 --> 01:36:30,199
Speaker 3: This performance a lifetime right here.

2171
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: Got out of it there. But uh, well, le Joan,

2172
01:36:33,039 --> 01:36:36,279
we have done it. The Sony verse ends for now.

2173
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,640
Craven will be happening in December. These three boys, I

2174
01:36:39,640 --> 01:36:41,720
can't remember what do we call you guys again? Names

2175
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:43,840
that they pull him up there? What were the god?

2176
01:36:44,079 --> 01:36:45,039
Speaker 1: What were we three?

2177
01:36:45,239 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 3: Were the master cheeks or something like that.

2178
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, We still need to find, as we said, a

2179
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,399
team name for me, Dylan and Taylor, because we completely

2180
01:36:55,439 --> 01:36:57,239
forgot about that. So next time we do a cast

2181
01:36:57,279 --> 01:36:59,920
together we'll figure that out. But until then, the Pablo's

2182
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,800
we'll talk about Craven, let us know, Discord, Patreon, wherever,

2183
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,399
what you what you thought about any theories about Rex?

2184
01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:09,520
You know love those? Uh until next time and I'll

2185
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:09,920
be boring.

2186
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,520
Speaker 1: Bye bye, do it