Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the six hundred
and thirty seventh episode of The Geek First Podcast. I'm
the clown Prince of Dancing Tres. Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 1: What am I doing here? Freaking bouncer?
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm doctor Paynedolmus the twenty bucks to the field.
Speaker 2: Yes, ladies, gentlemen, you probably wouldn't guess by the nicknames,
but luckily you probably saw that episode pop up in
your feeling. Oh man, a GV classic, Because here we are, here,
we are talking about Venom once again. We've been on
quite the road with Venom and the Sony movies. You
can go back. We reviewed everyone of these suckers, and
these three gentlemen will review Craven in December. I hope
still that I'm excited. I'm excited December thirteen or fourteenth,
when I'm not here to get that notification. And I
don't even just listen to the full episode. I don't
even care, Like I don't even know if I'll like
stop with the non spoils. So these are always an
event in a different way, I think for the geek first,
because I've this is the most I'm gonna start keeping
track now. I had four people literally told me like,
I'm not seeing the movie, but I can't wait for
your review, I think. And that's just the start of
this week. Like I feel like we get every once
in a while like oh yeah, we'll skip that. There's
I feel like there's maybe one other movie in our
ten years that people like, yeah, we're just gonna listen
to the review. But definitely, And I could see by
the theaters because we had I counted Taylor, we had
twenty six people in the theater, so it went up
from the three originally, but we had twenty six. Yeah,
not too for every litter of the alphabet. Yeah, it
looked pretty pretty empty. And we had some fucker beside
us that like, oh man, minie rant before we get
in the actual review. Here there, our row is pretty
much empty. It's me and Tanya in the middle of
row I at the very end, so like ten seats over,
there's two guys. That's completely fine. On our right side,
there's no one there. But then someone bought a ticket
right beside me, so it goes Taylor, me and that guy.
And then I said to you, like, there's no way
I'm fucking sin there. So I sat beside Taylor and
he like gave me an tay like the death look
like he was mad that I didn't sit beside him.
And I'm like, unless someone comes for I twelve, I'm
not doing that. I've said this fan Well, then he
said something I've said on so many reviews. My mind
is not wide that way. I don't fucking get it.
There's a bunch of empty seas, there's empty There's a
whole row in front of us Taylor that was empty.
He could have sat by himself there. The fact that
he chose, like, oh, these two guys are just in
beside each other. I'm gonna sit right there. Fucking weird.
Oh Sam, that's number five. Probably not seeing the movie,
but looking forward to listening. And that's all I was
gonna say. Where Uh, I just feel like that's the
the venom ness of it all. You know, I'm gonna
go first year just because I'm talking about theater experience
where you look at venom one me Cricklingdale. We saw
it together. I remember the whole theater. It was a
pack theater, and I remember people were laughing, had a
good time. We've told those many times where people clapped
at the end of that. Right now, the Carnage one,
that was tough because that was COVID, so like not
as many people were going, but definitely like I remember
being more full for that than this. But to compare,
so take all that one because COVID. To compare Venom
one and Venom three, it's just we had like four
people highness that were laughing. But I think those were
the only people consistently consistently laughing throughout the whole movie.
Like it was at times it felt like I was
up there watching a comic bomb and it's it's so funny.
It's so it's so funny that they asked Tom Hardy
and he's like, you know, do you do you see
yourself going past this? In the media and on the
movie he didn't break the fourth wall thing like do
you see another venom mita because he had said he's
done and he's like, no, like I've left everything out there,
And that's how I feel about this. This is fun,
but at the same time, at this movies like, I
don't think I could do this again. If there's a
team up, if he's inspirement for if he's in secret war, sure,
talk to me then, but like I legitimately just feel
like I've seen all these comic movies. I've said, oh,
I'm gonna keep seeing him. But this came to a
point where I multiple times like I'm tapping out like
I and I didn't. I didn't pull up my phone,
I didn't leave. I thank god I had some popcorn.
But it's just this was a really really tough watch
for me, both in the sense of it's still the
jokes that I don't like, it's still the venom I
don't like. But then just as like I feel like
this is the worst as far as steaks and character motivations.
They set up this huge mcguffin about this thing's really important,
we can't let this happen, and then they let this
happen to have a fucking Dan scene, which you've seen
the trailers, but it's like, it's not just a Dan scene.
It's a dance scene that would like has the terrible
implications towards multiple characters, but it's just like, no, we're
just we're just gonna do it, you know, And it's
just and it's funny because we have stuff like I
don't people are gonna bring up oh Dead bulls dance
scenes and Chathak but it's like, no man like this
is they set something up and they just spin your
face and that's everything. All these characters. I hate seeing
Chewtah edge of fourn here like it's just tough. But yeah,
this this was bad for me. It's the worst of them.
It's very difficult. My last non spliters thoughts is we
it's well one. It's impressive that Sony gave us this
a Madam Web in the same year, arguably to the
worst CA movies ever same yere, so congrats to them,
but it's very tough. Where even Madam Webb, I said,
I don't even know if that's the worst comic because
we've got Catwoll, when we got Steel, we got How
the Duck, like we reviewed me of those, and like
even the Fantastic Four when we did on our retro
for ninety four. It's like there's movies like technically that
are worst. But I could see people make the case
for it this. I don't know if I can make
the case again for it being top ten for like
on a critical level, but for me personally, I think
it's like Suicide Squad, where oh, Markot Robbie's great and
there's some choices here, and you know it's not the
worst ever. But for me, it's like that's for not
just a joker, but other things. That's a bottom ten
coma movie. I think this is here where Madam Webb.
If you had to put a gun in my head
and ask me what would I rather watch again and
give me a million dollars, I choose Madam Webb because
at least for me, it's like it's like bad good
where this is just like depressing bag, especially that dance scene.
That dancing I felt, I felt an all time role
low I could, I don't. I can't wait to talk
to Spoys and see how Kirkham was feeling about it, because,
like I all on the trays we knew it was coming,
but they somehow made it even worse and it just Yeah,
So for me this might be I'm gonna have to rethink,
maybe made time awful. Make a couple of lists here,
but for my personal one, if it's not on the top,
bottom or the bottom ten, it's very close. So yeah,
this was a very painful experience and I wish I
was doing many other things. Thank God for popcorn because
that really got me through this one. So I digress.
So look, Sam says, Okay, definitely not seeing it now
after that glowing wrap.
Speaker 1: Up, you know, well wait to see what everyone thinks exactly.
Speaker 2: Maybe these guys loved it. Return to form.
Speaker 1: Man, you said, thank god for popcorn, Thank God for friends,
because without my two friends Tyler and Lisa, I would
have had to see this movie alone, and that would
have been awful experience. I saw Enhim two alone and
still kind of scarred from that one. Your ears haven't
revisited that movie since. And it's funny you should bring
up that dancing scene because when we were leaving in
the car, Tyler's like, you know in the dancing scene,
I looked over to you and like my head was
just in my hands. I was rubbing my eyes. I
thought I was prepared from the trailer, but to actually
get the full length in the movie, yeah, that was
that was something else. I guess I'm talking. I I'll
just keep going. Uh yeah, this one, this one, I
don't want to say it hurt me because like I
was pretty set for like what to expect just coming
off of Venom two. Trailers weren't doing anything for me,
like I was expecting Bottom Barrel, but it still managed
to surprise me with how bad I think it was
in certain aspects. All of the humor that was like forced,
like like all of the jokes that they're going for
didn't hit for me. All of my laughs were mostly
just like I couldn't believe with what I was seeing.
There's the very last sequence of this movie. I there
was a song choice and I could not stop laughing.
It was just so strange to me. I don't want
to say anything more, you know, until we get to spoilers,
but it was just such a weird song choice for me. Yeah,
there was. This was pretty bad. There was multiple plot
points we were kind of introduced to in this movie,
and I felt like they just weren't answered. I felt
like the movie just kind of ended and that's that,
and and now we're just you know that's that's yeah,
that's just where we are now. It was super strange. Yeah,
I felt like there was points in this movie that
I felt like I wanted to look at my watch
and be like, like how much time is left? And
then I blinked and it was just over. So I
don't know if it was just like a fever dream
type experience that. Yeah, like it's it's still felt not
too dragging along. I think it's maybe because I was
expecting us to actually get some of these plot points
answered or like touched upon, and we didn't get that.
It just it just kind of ended in world credits
and uh yeah it was. It was pretty awful. I'm
I'm pretty disappointed. This is how we're We're ending off
just just Tom Hardy's Venom journey.
Speaker 2: But it's not like it started great, you know.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. That's the thing. Maybe I was just
just I tempered my expectations, but maybe I'll still open
to some surprises and surprises I got weren't good. But
uh yeah, there's definitely some things I'm excited to talk
to you guys about. And overall not loving this movie.
Don't want to revisit it. Between Madam Webb and this,
it's a tough pill.
Speaker 2: I yeah, what about Joker Too or this tulton ass
and the chat.
Speaker 1: Ooh, Joker two? I would pick Joker Too.
Speaker 2: Joker two by a fucking millennia. Like, if you told
me you can either watch the Venom Trilogy or Joker
two three times I will pick Joker two three times
like that.
Speaker 1: There's at least Joker too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too. There's at least like great cinematography, great acting.
There's not even like chrisaid this song choice. It's like
somebody watched it pull Over and like we can do that.
We have three movies and it's like, no, man, you can't,
you can't do it. I will lead to Taylor. Now
I'll leave del Laskaz. Taylor, you've seen Joker two, so
you can answer that as well. Joker if you had
to watch, You've seen both movies. Now, let's say you know,
January rolls around for some reason, Madison wants to watch
these two. What are you convinced her to watch again?
I've probably seen two, the Big short Joker two. There
you go. We're three for three for the Joker two
versus Fitch.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen Joker two, but I'd rather go see that.
Speaker 2: Trust me, there's more you could find there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh yeah, So this uh, this is my first
uh no, actually not my first Venom experience in theater,
because I saw Venom two in theaters after no, no, no,
I saw Venom one in theaters after you guys are
reviewed because I wasn't on that review. It wasn't like
the second one either of that review. So, yeah, well
this is definitely, my far, not a great movie.
Speaker 3: I by far not Taylor saying yeah.
Speaker 2: Other than one specific character, which I'll leave Taylor up,
Tayor was not laughing throughout. I was surprised. I could
feel Taylor shuffling in his chairs the whole time, like, oh,
even Taylor's met his rope there. But I think in
some high spots.
Speaker 4: There was a couple of high spots, like I think
that they humor, Like you said, yeah, the humor was
not It was not working for me. Even this isn't
a spoiler, but just at the very very start of
this movie, they're trying to do like this this joke,
and it just was not It was not working. It
was not my kind of humor.
Speaker 2: And so I was at the at the bar.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it just wasn't working. Uh, And that, Like
that being said, I think that if this movie came
out a few years ago, like probably, I would say,
like I'll go specific six to seven years ago, maybe
even ten years ago. If we going to double.
Speaker 1: Digits, I've been hundred let's just get crazy.
Speaker 4: I think this will do a lot better because the
way that this movie was done, like with its story
and with its action, to me, it felt like it
was like a twenty eleven to twenty fifteen styled superhero movie.
Speaker 2: Well that's why I venom one work for you that
came out six years.
Speaker 1: Later ago, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But that being said, like I did enjoy the fight
scenes and there was there's like the third act kind
of like fight and everything like that. Actually really enjoyed
it and I was really engaged with it.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 4: This is actually pretty cool and really really digging this.
There's a lot of different act like perspectives and stuff
going on. But again, the writing and this story is
what really just kind of it's just it's it's not great,
and there's just a lot of plot holes. When you're
trying to keep up with what's going on, it's like, well,
this doesn't really make sense. Why is this character deciding
to do this? When this this and so forth, and
so it really kind of pulls it apart. But I
think if you can overlook all that and just take
it for what it is, I don't know, you might
not still enjoy it, but at least you can still
kind of sit back and just absorb just the fun
action and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So, like, am I wrong saying to you that at
some point you will YouTube just the third act battle?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: I absolutely will.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I was watching that. That was like Iron Man
two coded I'm like, oh, Tayo's gonna love this. Like
when Ironman and war Machine face off against a bunch
of different.
Speaker 4: I would equate it like Iron Man three, when the
like Tony's like Iron Legion whatever.
Speaker 3: You call them, fire guys stuff, you.
Speaker 2: Know, extremis extra ext We got one of those in
this movie pretty much, and they didn't do anything cool
of them. He just looked like fire.
Speaker 3: Okay, uh yeah, so you know, uh, here's the genera
of venom one. I did have a good time at
the theater. It was a fun time watching it with
you guys and just laughing at the insanity of it.
Not when I've ever rewatched nor thought about. And I
think my memory of it is greatly faded since then
as well, and I still to this day I have
not seen the second one. I plan to. I even
planned to do the littlest of homework and watch a
YouTube five minute recap. I didn't get around to it.
So if you want to call me a bad podcast
or give me one star review, go for it. But
I did not. I've not seen Venom two yetnam here
jumping into third one, I don't feel like I missed
anything story wise. I feel like I understood everything that
was going on. So, for for what it's worth, I'll
put that out there. This is a weird one because
you know, looking at like the the writer director is
the same person, so kind of connection there. And then
Tom Hardy's Lyssa's a writer on this as well, and
obviously he's the star. So between those two like kind
of the creative power from the outside, At least for
me sitting here in my podcast here, it seems like
the creative duo that kind of really made this thing happen,
the brain Trust, the brain trus, and I feel like
they achieved exactly what they wanted to. I feel like
they made the exact movie they want to. They're like, hey,
this is the third Venom outing. Let's get some crazy
scenes in there. Let's get some viral dancing scenes. Let's
do some crazy horse stunts. Let's have some huge battles,
Let's have some like emotional beats between the characters. And
then also I don't know what they were really playing
with some of these side characters, because I think that's
where the biggest mess is. I really don't even have
that many issues with story wise in terms of what
Eddie Brock is, how he's acting in this, and how
he's working with Venom. It's more the side characters that
make either so little sense they're not given enough, or
it's just like the family stuff. I'll just say that
in the no spoiled way. The family stuff it off
my screen, please, it is. It is atrocious. So yeah,
I think they achieved exactly they wanted to, but it's
just absolutely zero percent what I want out of a movie.
So I am with you guys that I did not
enjoy this one at all. I think that the Madame
Web comparison is funny because that is that movie is
so bad. It's good in a way, right, Like you're
watching it, you're making fun of it, you're laughing at it.
The dubbing is off on the on the voices sometimes,
and it's like this is just such a train wreck,
and it's it's kind of a fun theater experience once
you know, watch it one time. That was not the
case here. I did have one small laugh, so I'll
give the movie that it got me chuckling at one moment,
but that was it. I did not like the I
did not like the fights in this. I thought they
were too goofy and confusing and didn't really there's cgi
black mixer. It was a bit too, bit too messy,
you know, which is what it definitely is. But yeah,
it didn't really work for me there. So yeah, and
I think that maybe the weirdest thing about this movie
for me is just like the main plot that is
accurring here, and like Eddie Brock's journey, there's like nothing
like he's just going to a place for no reason
and then you know, things occur around him, but there's
just there's like nothing happening. It's really odd. It's like
what they chose to do.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And in terms of like how disconnected the villain seems
to be from from what his journey is, it's just
an odd, odd choice, odd movie. So yeah, I did
not enjoy this one. And and of course I didn't
really have fun with how bad it was either, So
it was just it was just bad. I was there alone,
the person next to me laughing up a storm. They
were singing along to a song and the credits, so
they they were eating it up, and they popped off
a little bit when the post post credit scene popped up. Uh,
So you know, maybe I got a little bit of
enjoyment out of their enjoyment, but probably not.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm excited to break it down with you guys,
but this was This was not a not a good
time the theater. You know what, I'm not gonna go back.
I'm not gonna go see Venom too. I'm just gonna
leave that off my record. I will never have watched it.
Speaker 2: Literally too mins. Gay, I'm gonna finish it now, You're like,
you know what, No, I've decided I wanted.
Speaker 3: To finish it before this, but now that I've seen this,
what is it all for?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: There's no reason to no unless patrons, if you don't
want to have your way, you know.
Speaker 3: But fifteen bucks, I'll do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't need to go back there either. There's
other choices to do there. But yeah, we're about to
get into spoilers, so before we do that, just want
to remind everybody that in about gosh, what is it
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Fourth Wall, did you ever find that twisters?
Speaker 1: Never found it?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I think it's just called twister, like single, right,
we're gonna play.
Speaker 2: Two at the same time. Bring, Yeah, it'd be great, okay,
So I'll have to look at a twister board. But yeah.
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back after this with spoilers and we're back, So let's
start at the beginning there. Well, there's two I guess
there's two things I want to start with where. So
we talked about this when we got the trailer right
where they showed, Okay, how how's the guy from No
Way Home in this right? Because he's there for different
the bartender Tao's favorite character. How's the bartender in this? Well,
they just pretty much explained that Eddie Brock traveled, he
got sucked through a portal. I know, there's like a
real beginning with the villain. I'm gonna skip that for
a second, but he travels through a portal to I
guess where that guy in his universes at the bar.
So it's just like his what do they call him
in Low King everything variant his variant right, So that's
how they got that cool trailer shot to show, Oh,
it's connected. I was even surprised because they were doing
the holes bit again where he's asking about Fanos and
ask him about this. I'm like, oh, yeah, you guys
still want to be so connected. But yeah, he got
that explained that bar guy. We'll revisit him later, but
he got taken out for just giving some information by chutajefore.
But anyways, what I was gonna say, Dylan, they did
explain why he wanted to go to New York. There
were two reasons. One ven want to see the statue Liberty,
but two I didn't get the exact line verbiage, but
he in further there's like someone there that could help
clear his name. Like he like, I missed that line.
Speaker 4: You mean the judge that he's got dirty?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is dirt on somebody that can clear his name. Yeah,
so that's that's Yeah, that's why he's going to New
York so they can clear Eddie Brock's name from murdering.
That's the only thing from Carnage Dyling you want to
god is that guy the detective was just looking into
Eddie and carn just the whole movie. He gets killed,
a symbio attaches to him. Yeah, that guy, So that's
like the only connective, like to shoot a number two
and they and the media says that he killed him
by like throwing him off a bell, like very gruesome
death where I love at the end, they're like, yeah,
your record's a sponge, like would have questions if they
like google like Eddie Brock and like killed detective by
plunging him through like metal rods. But all stricken. We'll
get there. But that's why they want to get to
New York a statue liberty and to clear his name,
which I thought.
Speaker 1: Alright, said, I thought it was just to go there
just to hide.
Speaker 3: The judge shows up and Venom is aware that Noel
is after him, Like are they even doing that anymore?
Like trying to get the judge thing done? Because I
feel like they have bigger issues at that point that
I don't think they really care about his name.
Speaker 2: They're still going to New York though, right like every
time they mentioned all we gotta get to New York,
we gotta go to New York the Apple.
Speaker 1: Like I asked this to Tyler after the movie because
I just feel like Eddie Brock's whole existence is just
an anomaly to me, Like what does he what does
he do if there is no Zeno whatever coming for him?
Like he's just wandering the planet barefoot, and.
Speaker 5: Just like his name, that's what he's I know, I know,
but I'm I do at the end of the movie,
like now that he's let's say, let's say at the
end of Venom two, like like like he's just hiding somewhere,
Like I just don't understand this character. Well if there
isn't like a threat on his life, like like I
just he just seems to be floating through existence like
a schizophrenic with with venom in his mind, just like
whispering and sweet whatever is into his brain.
Speaker 1: Like it's just it's a very odd existence.
Speaker 2: I think has not that it is Isisn's and not
that I love to offend this, but they did essauge
this movie that he's only been together with them for
a year. So when we get our ending montage, it's
like Tom Alredy looked like almost a decade younger, but
it's like, man, he ain't a law in a year.
But no, remember when Carnelis two ends, he gets put
in the malt, the the the MCU. So that's why
it's like you would never pick up with him being
normal because there's always something for Addy. The only time
is normal is when Venom one ends and they're gonna
like he's gonna.
Speaker 3: So I guess they're ending of Venom two into this
is like immediate. Then yes, will you say that the
year happens between Venom one and two essentially?
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, And you still have to watch No Way
Home because if you watch, if you just watch his trilogy,
Vendom gets sucked into a I guess I know the
answer it. But Venom gets sucked into a portal. He
goes to a bar and then he gets sucked out.
If you never watched No Way Home, he just like,
why do you travel multiverses? Oh? Just to talk to
a bar guy and ask him about an alien and stuff.
So but yeah, he's, uh, that's I want to go
to the family because I don't want to forget this
point because I'm like, oh in the review, I ever
forget this because Dylan, for they did on for the
enjoy of the family scenes, I I did not, as
I didn't as well accept for rafe Ivan's I think
he did a great job playing as Harry Potter character again,
just doing that all that shtick, like earthy and like
I think he had great comedic timing and he carried
the third act on his back with some of that stuff.
But it was very odd. I never understood because Kirk,
this is where I'm trying together Kirk, and he asked like, oh,
what would he do now? Like what what's the day
in the life of Eddie Brock For some reason, you know,
he gets in the van. They're gonna drop him off
as Vegas because it's close. And he also thinks, like
even in this little New Mexico city, cameras see him
right away. So he thinks in Vegas one of the
biggest like there's gonna video games everywhere He's gonna hide.
I digress. This whole movie does not care about they
multiple times him and venom be like, oh, we gotta hide.
They're just out in the open doing stuff.
Speaker 1: And their end goal is New York. Where New York.
Speaker 3: They're nowhere near that by the end. Also quick when.
Speaker 2: You're gonna be all over in the surfer gets.
Speaker 3: Filmed by a camera and he walks out of the
bar in Mexico, which is the I swear it is
the exact same stock image shot of the camera that
is in Vegas. Like the different stock image shots. It's
freaking different cameras. Like that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: I thought the exact same thing.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so the back of his family and he's
sitting there right and they're playing in this scene other
than the four peero be hingd its just fucking dying
in front of everybody. It's the scene they're singing, Oh
my god, they're singing Space Aussey by Dave Bowie or Audity. Sorry,
they're singing in the whole scene. Eddie Brock hates his family.
He's annoyed. They're doing the whole step Brothers thing right up.
Speaker 1: Ha.
Speaker 2: I'm like they're all singing. They had the one like
hate them right And then all of a sudden, like
Venom goes, I wish we had this, and it's like
and then literally in five seconds, it's he looks around
and he's like, oh, yeah, this would be nice. It's like, no,
like you, It's just like one I know one movie
writing where you have that scene happen and maybe it's
a little cheesy, but then you do have him join
in and he realized, like, yeah, I would like this.
He shows no signs of wanting a family and liking
these people like oh, wanting kids, until Venom's like, wouldn't
it be great if you have this? He's like yeah,
and then they just switched the dynamic where he's like
he's cuddling with his kid, he's bonding with his dad.
But it's like, at no point in these movies that
I ever feel like, oh, Eddie's like he wants a family.
It's I feel like that car scene. They're trying their
best to invoke Logan, where it's like Logan's want all
these things and X men and here's his chance to
finally get them, and Venom, like Kurkin said, we've never
got any of that. He's always just on the run
doing stuff. So when they tried to shoehorn like he
wants a family. I was like, oh, boy, like this
is like I would take out all even though I
like rise, I'd take out all the family stuff, just
chop it, edit gone.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm completely in agreeance with you. I did
not need to have the family in here. I I
completely agree with you too. I'm just like trying to
get some sentimental attachment to like the idea of being
a father. And it was just a weird even line
drop of like like you could be a dad, Eddie
like like like that, no, we can't. He's fucking terribly
like he's so irresponsible. He was barely holding onto his
relationship with uh Michelle Williams in the first film. But
I will say that was actually one of the hardest
parts I laughed at in the movie because the family
is just saying along and these two lines that just
completely got me. The first one was to shoot me now,
and then the second one was like what, like why
am I even here? And I just laughed so hard, like.
Speaker 3: Literally laughs that they got out of me too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is my theater experience. I'm like, I'm like,
shoot me now, and what the fuck am I doing here?
Like just experiencing this movie. There he's he's experiencing a
song performance and I'm in and.
Speaker 2: He hates them. He absolutely hates them.
Speaker 1: It was like the fourth wall breaking moment for me.
I was just laughing so hard to myself.
Speaker 3: It's I find it so funny because I feel like
sometimes when you're watching this you forget that Tom Hardy
is a good actor, and in that sequence is like
he's acting really well that he is so annoyed by
this sequence. But yeah, I guess the purpose of that
whole dynamic is really just to like enforce how Eddie
and Venom have become this family dynamic and how how
bad he feels at the end of the movie that
that they've been like torn apart from each other. I guess,
so perhaps that was part of it, but I think
it's just trying to throw some earnestness in there. Of Course,
you got to have the shot near the end when
the boy gets like a launch on the watchtower and
of course he jumps off the ledge and saves the well,
this whole family.
Speaker 2: I guess that moment when the big explosion, the kids
in the back seat's like Eddie, he's bawling his eyes
out for a guy that like was in his car
for an hour or two probably read.
Speaker 3: I feel like they none of them reacted to him
launching the food either, like they didn't seem to care,
Like this guy seems unhinged that we offered him a
meal and he just threw it into the back and
we all him a ride and everything. I feel like
they never commented on that.
Speaker 1: I did laugh at the moment though, when he comes
out of the woods and you just have a rise
there at the no friendo just and just just yeah,
his performance. I didn't love the family, but I can
definitely appreciate his performance at least as that character.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, I I was laughing. I was just looking
on IMDb that the the boy, the child, his real
name is Dash McLeod. Isn't that just the craziest names,
incredible name, that's an incredible like star Fauks hybrid is
so sick. But yeah, I don't I the other thing too,
and this is maybe jumping the en so we don't
have to go all the way there, but just when
the family goes to Area fifty one and I'm like,
this place should be guarded so heavily. But like they
don't see a giant alien coming in the family just
goes through a little crack in the in the glass there.
Of course, they also like leave the car on too,
like the lights around, like this is if you can
and get away like this this battery is going to
be dead here. But that whole sequence is just like
so cheesy to me that they would go in there
and they're like, oh, let's climb this tower for a
better look, Like what are you talking about? Like you
can see everything from ground level here.
Speaker 1: When he's up there, he's like everything's broken, super super
straight and chat. I thought the exact same thing. As
soon as he like goes through the fence, I just
like leaned over to Tyler and like family found shot
dead invading military bace, Like like, how is this a
good idea? And also, since we're talking about him, this
has got to be the world's worst father ever, Like
he expunged the entire family savings, just take his whole
family in this van to go to area fifty one
to try and see an alien? Are you fucking kidding me?
Oh my gosh, pick.
Speaker 3: Up a scary hitchhiker and put him in the backseat
next to his son man. When the dad comes out
with the fucking rocket launcher and shoots the beast from
like three feet away, and then he's like, oh, sorry
about that. The person next to me, first of all,
just started cackling. They love that that joke. But I
was like, this is the dumbest thing ever.
Speaker 2: I absolutely hate did he saved daddy's life?
Speaker 1: You know? And then he just goes back to the
van and wanders off. It's like it does not have
been a military man or anyone else, Like why did that?
Speaker 3: There's so many little things that just all right. I
wish they were funny, but they're just funny to make
fun of. But when when he goes back to the
van and the van is like they're already driving, like
they're trying to make that quick getaway that a lot
of action movies have, like you gotta get the card running,
but it's going so slow, and it's like, why are
you even driving? Just wait for him to get to
the van. They had so much time believe, Oh so.
Speaker 2: Goofy agree Taylor Taylor is anything on the family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Family was interesting. Getting Martin's character. He was
definitely the highlight for me. There's some stuff like like
Dylan you mentioned the Bazuka rock and loncher seam that
was that was unhinged and I didn't really need that.
But everything with the barbecue and just the things that
he was saying, like when he's up on the watch
tower and then all the symbiotes pop out of the
ground and what.
Speaker 2: Did he say. He's just like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Like he's just he was absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: They give him. They gave him the F bomb. He said, motherfucker.
I was surprised that any I was actually by it.
I like, I like mart I'm with Taylor there. I
liked Martin isolated.
Speaker 4: I like like when he was up there too, and
like Eddie's on the ground and Martin's like Eddie and
he waves his fan over his face.
Speaker 2: It's Martin, like Martin and family. That was really good.
Speaker 4: I really appreciate that. So there is humor from him
that I really liked, but again, very limited humor. The
this the scene in the van, it's weird because like
some of the stuff definitely like I could get on
board with, but then other thing is like, ah, I
know they're forcing it, but uh, it was just it
was weird. Like it was a good scene but it
was weird because it didn't really fit, like you have
Eddie just like lying to the kids saying aliens aren't real,
and the kids just scared. Then the kid layls on him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, this is a really.
Speaker 4: Really good scene, but it doesn't fit at all with
everything that we've gotten. It's just feels like they have
their movie, their narrative, and they just chopped up a
section of it, took it out, and just chopped this
in from another movie or something like that.
Speaker 1: It just was weird. So, uh yeah, that's.
Speaker 4: That, And I do I do appreciate though.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 4: Fact that when they were trying to escape, and this
is when the lady scientist pulls up in her truck
randomly just pulls up to get this family out of there.
They all get in the truck. And then when they're
all in the back of the truck I can't remember
what it was, something exploded and they all get out
of the truck and go underneath the truck for about
ten seconds. Then they all climb back into the truck
and then drive away. The truck didn't just fucking drive
when they all got in the first time. The truck
just sat there I don't understand what was going on,
but if you were to rewatch that scene, it's just
it's it's weirdly paced, it's it's not set up in
a cohesive manner. I guess.
Speaker 3: A lot in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah you gotta you gotta be on your toes though,
when you're finding a bunch of symbiotes and everything like that.
I want to go there now to these fucking whatever
Zeno cinemors. Whatever they're saying, so we meet. No, that's
how the movie opens. Uh fucking Andy cirkuses just sound
like Snoke.
Speaker 4: No idea that was Andy Serkis.
Speaker 2: I was surprised because that opening he fucking sounded like snoke.
And yeah, that's all. They confirmed that this weekend interview,
like we love Andy and we're working with them. Okay, great.
I wish they went somewhere else because I do love Andy,
but I just I just got lots of snoke isms
for me and I would have liked. And he's not
doing that's not him in the fucking chair, that's somebody else.
I think he's just doing the voice. So at least
with snokes, I think.
Speaker 3: Cap God, what do you mean? That's probably the easiest
job for him ever sit in a chair and raise
your head up and down every once in a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it could be him. I I don't know,
I it's I guess it doesn't have to look like
the snoke didn't look like him.
Speaker 3: I just I'm actually with it. I actually don't think
it was him. But that was the easiest mo cap
job he's ever done, compared to like Gullum.
Speaker 2: Maybe the idea is that, like, because it's in this
so little, it's just the voice, and maybe he would
do that. But I don't know if we're even gonna
get there, because the end credit is like I'm gonna
jump to and he's like, I'm gonna destroy the world
and you will be watching. It's like, I don't know
if people are gonna be watching, dude, I I But
so they set this thing up where okay, Nali gives
this very very brief there's so much exposition exposition in
this movie, and there's especially with the symbio. It's later
on tune like the Codex. There's multiple exposition dumps done
like multiple times by different characters. It's like, Okay, Venom's
done this to Broc. Now we're gonna have whatever Mulligan
is do this to them, and now Pain's gonna do
it to Cheetael edge of for it's like they'll say
the exact same plot. It's like worded a little differently,
and maybe there's like a splice of new information, but
it's like the same thing over and over. It's just
like cut all that out. But Noll explains that, Okay,
he's a symbil of God. They turn on on him
for some reason. He's in this planet and we're gonna
talk about the codex. But he's discovered a codex and
this can free him, right, so he's sent off his
little xenomorph creatures and everything.
Speaker 4: One.
Speaker 2: To me, this codex is just stupid. He okay, Eddie
Brock died, Venom saved them and for some reason this
I created some sort of codex one that happened in
twenty eighteen. Well, I guess it's been a year, right,
but still it happened like a year in this timeline.
Why is this? Like, why has this been a year?
Why didn't know? Like since this is right away? And
two I hated I don't mind the design, but I
hated the creatures after them because I just thought like
it gave Eddie brock plot armor all the time, where
especially in the water, right, they had this thing where
these things are kind of like blind but unless and
they can't see our main characters, especially Tom Hardy. But
if there's like canon fodder soldiers, they just scoop them
right up and kill them. But like, there's a moment
when they're in the water fighting and you know Venom's
right there. That's the whole thing. When Venom's in full form,
you see the Kodex and the Xenomorph thinking track it
and see it, and then the water takes it off,
and like I said, it kills all these different guards.
But then Eddie just like swims away, right, and my
last poet that just bugged the shit of me is okay,
they send one to Earth, great, I have issues, more
issues than all. But then at the third act he
decides to send like, I don't know, six ten of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the one on Earth sends out an alarm to
bring the rest of them there, which is like, why
wouldn't the alarm get sent out the moment it's codex Yes,
for the first time in act one.
Speaker 2: And this is supposedly the thing that could free no
All right, he's locked in this chair. So why is
the second you've confirmed, Hey, this thing's on Earth. I've
seen this thing. There should be ten being sent out.
And I also forgot to explain that it's either if
you want it. But it's like they have to capture
Is it just Venom or is it both of them
to get this codex? Is it just Venom?
Speaker 1: They need them both?
Speaker 2: I thought, okay, so that's the idea.
Speaker 3: When one of them dies, the codex is destroyed, so
I guess they would need both of them.
Speaker 2: That's us get into where And they said that Knoll
can't escape unless he gets said codex. But in the
end credits he does escape. So the whole movie and
Venom sacrifice really was for nothing because Noel is coming
to Earth now.
Speaker 1: But did he escape or he just said that?
Speaker 2: I well, I insinuate with In the end credit, he's
like he's on the way. So it's like if he like,
if he's on the way, he got freed somehow, right.
Speaker 1: Like like a Scooby Doo villain, I'll get you one day,
you meddling kids. As he's going back to askabn this all.
Speaker 2: Sucked though, if he didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, man. The whole codex thing
didn't make any sense to me, especially that like it
just felt like a way to make the vendom cymbia
like significant more so over the other ones. Yeah, the
fact that he just had it this whole time, like
it didn't bother me that much. The fact that like
Noel hasn't been like hunting him down like instantly as
soon as like he could kind of sense the codex.
But yeah, I thought that when the first Zeno monster
comes to Earth, I thought he actually sent like an
army like the first time around. So I was surprised
to jumping out. Yeah, because it seems like he had
portals kind of going everywhere.
Speaker 3: I think he was searching different planets. They found the codex,
then they would send in reinforcements, which I see. I
don't know why it took him so long once he
found the codex.
Speaker 1: But but even at the end, like it seems like
it only sends like three more like like it just
seems like if this is the most mandatory thing like
I was expecting, like like the Invasionabakanda, you know, like
that amount of like monsters and for how much. I
didn't want this movie to feel like a like a
world ending threat. This was even more so than that.
This is like the end of all existence in the
entire universe gallony for everything. Yeah, it's like the void
I guess surrounds the all of the universes and you
just get to take out everything. And that Rex was
his character's name to tel Elafort, I never know how
to say. I'll practice that one in the shower later,
but uh I, I I just love his like motivation switch.
As soon as he like finds out that like he
just has to kill Eddie to like put an end
to it, he's like, oh, we got we gotta put
an end of this. And he's like, we're working with
like the symbio guys. Now it's like we have to
protect every like, oh you Rex Man. He was a
fucking character. Oh my gosh. I hated him in this movie.
I really like that actor, but I just feel like
in this movie I could not get past him. He
was truly true.
Speaker 3: I actually didn't really have be an issues with his
motivations that to me, he made a lot of sense.
I think he actually chose the right decision to save humanity.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Dan, That's where I was confused. So
I'm with you that much.
Speaker 3: I don't like to use a dick to the scientist
though for no reason that was.
Speaker 2: But that's my thing. They were painting him to be
the classic army juughhead doesn't get it, just gonna go
for violence, right, like, oh we have the answer, no gun,
we'll fix it, right. But the problem was they were
giving him that attitude of being an asshole, but then
all his motivations were like correct, like in my opinion,
like when he's like, oh, we gotta do this, and
he's like, oh, you couldn't do that, it's like I
don't know the entire universe or Eddie Brock at this point.
It's just like if I'm even if I have a
symbuilt and it's like, hey, Chri's you gotta die or
you know, your family's dead, your friends, and it's like, yeah,
I think it's my time to go.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's just like the fact that they were looking at
him like he was a fucking crazy person and this
is a government where they're doing stuff he he kidnapped
the bar guy, like they've done all this other shady
stuff in the movie and they're like, well, you can't
kill like Eddie Brock and the like whatever the venoms
and biote or whatnot. It's just like, it was so
weird that they were trying to make him the antagonist's
military type, but then they gave him all motivations that
made sense because he wasn't doing anything wrong even then,
like he went on a mission and his guys got
killed and he was upset about that. There's nothing wrong
about that. He was blindsided, you know. So it's just
it was a very odd character of like I bet
at one point in the movie, there's probably scenes where
he was more the villain type of role. And even
Teddy Paine her full name, Teddy Paine.
Speaker 3: Can we sorry, we're getting very We talked like, let's
let's finish up with Noel a little bit before we
get all all that strickling stuff is very correct though,
And yeah, well we'll talk about doctor Payne because that's
a that's a mess of a character there. But yeah,
I feel like, uh, I wanted to bring this up
because I went back and listened to our predictions for
the Noel stuff because I was curious how right we were.
So Travis you said there would be Noel would have
no dialogue and no actor, so you were wrong there.
But you also said he would have no interaction with Venom,
so you were correct there because that never happens.
Speaker 2: Never they even like I thought, I thought for sure
they're gonna at least tell perfectly at the end, like
someth's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or like one of the portals would be, you know,
he'd go in through one of the portals, come to
feel Noel or something like that. So I was surprised
that didn't happen, or that they even didn't even talk,
because me and Kirkland on the predictions were talking how
they would somehow, you know, venom wise, like talk through
the void in some ways that didn't happen. And then
screen time wise, Kirkland, Taylor, you guys predicted thirty seconds
for Noel, Travis two minutes, and me four to five minutes.
So I think Travis was maybe the most close thing.
I think I'm close, like, yeah, min and a half
kind of thing for nol.
Speaker 2: Well, walk the way to the DVD or the VHS
comes out to track that.
Speaker 1: Like the opening monologue felt pretty long, like it felt
like a few minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. The first line in the movie
is not I am nol like it. It's like they're
trying to make the general audience and people be like, hey,
this is a big bad characters. They were just it
just it's classic Sony. It's they're like they said this
to interviews, Oh this is gonna be our Thanos. It's
like they saw that like, oh we can do that,
and they just do it terribly. It's just starting off
like a fans like I am Thanos and I'm looking
for the stones, like no, you learned the SOB time,
but this was just like to try and make you feel, oh,
this guy's important and look out for him. You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like even you know, I'm not not the
most well read when it comes to noller these things,
but more so than maybe the general audience member. And
I just like I felt like I was confused with
like all of the the just the dump of information
he was given to us, where it's like, Okay, I
guess his children are the scibiotes and they banished him,
so like where the Zeno things come from? Like like
are those his children too? And why are they not
work with they.
Speaker 4: Were talking about like, oh, is it like your sister
when Eddie was like confronting, Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about villain. Yeah, so it just seems like, yes, Travis,
I agree, that's what they were going for, like no
big villain, this is gonna be like and the big guy.
Speaker 3: But there's even a common I think it was from
Venom where he's like he's not on a planet, He's
in a prison. I'm like, Okay, are you just saying
that to be quirk, like to be silly, Like is
he in a prison on a planet or is he
just like floating in space on a meteor, Like what's
going on? I wanted to actually get an answer to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But and then yeah, on the aliens, I think
they it was so messy the rules of these aliens.
I totally agree with you. First of all, that whole
river fight. I have huge beef with that river fight
because one like, they are in Nevada, They're in the desert,
there's bare this is the one source of water for
you know, as far as the eye can see. But
somehow the six soldiers they sent in on this mission
were prepped with like jet conculsion underwater scuba gear. It's like,
what are the odds that that would be useful? And
then also for them to go in the river. Obviously
they had the gear, but still that was such a
you're putting yourself at such a disadvantage by going in
the water. You don't do a cop level like science
military combo who clearly like came with the tools. Yeah
on the river, yeah, like and they all seem to
survive that, I guess, which is probably just pure dumblock
that they didn't hit a rock on the way down.
But yeah, like that whole scene was so dumb and yeah,
I just think the concept that this alien can tract
this that it can track the codex from like seeming
like city's lengths away, like really really far away. But
then like as soon as it's like right there and
he goes out of venom mode, he can still like
roughly see the outline of a body and then you yeah,
as you said, Travs, like if it's a someone shooting
at him, he'll go for the slash. But otherwise it
just felt too easy and convenient. It felt to me like,
how is this even really threat if we can just
stay out of venom mode and it just sits around
and does nothing. And that's why the dancing scene really
bothered me, because obviously that was like, you know, they're
just looking for like some fun engagement meme things with
that scene. I'm sure, and I guess people love that character,
but to me, it was like the dumbest character thing
ever that they would like, how would he not realize
that that would be a way that they would get
caught by going full Venom ode to go with the
dance And it's like, maybe I'm missing something from Venom two,
like maybe she's a suckubyss that has like mind control
over him and that's why he goes Vendom mode. But
to me, it's like, no, she's just a regular person,
so and fat that he's surprised. He's like, oh shit,
it showed up. It's like, yeah, of course it did.
Did you Also you jump out a when you were
flying on a plane high above the Mucky Mug and
it came up there and got you. Like it's so
so dumb.
Speaker 2: And he told him before, if you do this, it's
gonna find us, and Venom doesn't care. That's what I
was trying to say, non spoilers, that's where it's like
it's okay, we saw on the trails and already that's
and I were like, okay, Vendom dance scene and yeah,
to me, it's dumb for me seeing Vanom, which for
I like as the more scarial, imposing individual he's doing
these like when I have she y'all can dead pull.
I don't feel that about them, which Vandom. I see
this like, man, this really hurts. But it's like whatever,
they've done this comedic stuff before, fine, do this. But
that to me literally was the worst in the movie
because it just all the stakes dropped because there we
can't turn and we can't and that's like, okay, that's
a fun Like I don't like love this. I don't
even enjoy some me, but it's like, okay, that's a
fun way to kind of deepower Venom. Right, you can't
switch into him because if you do this, thing's gonna
track you kill other people, kill yourself, right, So that's
just like, oh, that's smart. But it's like, oh, to
do dancing, No, I want to dance. It's like what
a fucking missus chendies here. It's just like everything that
they built up for an hour completely the they just
pulled the rug out and that says, Okay, if I
had any inkling of an idea like oh this could
be something, it's a gone And like I don't think
the other movies have done something like this though, where
it's just like they threw it into the face, in
your face kind of way, like oh, we don't really
care about these rules. And it's very odd that the
bar guy they took, but missus Chen they did not,
like they just let her stay there and wave no
consistency and who this government ops take right because Rex
wasn't there. Yes, he takes everything. Yeah, there's like just
like a cargo of just like fifty people, like they
saw a shadow of venom. So we got to interrogate them.
It's like what else is the bar I need? You know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what are their information? This guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, like what's he well, he it's
not like he didn't give him up. He literally said
he was being weird talking himself and he had some
things and take them. Yeah, I gotta understand killing him
of like, hey, we don't want him speak to anybody,
but like what's he locked up for? What's he gonna do?
And that's where Rex was being at, Like, that's where
I thought, Okay, he's gonna be the assholearmy guy, he's
a villain, but he wasn't at the end. Yeah, I
forgot his name was Rex. I knew it was Strickland,
but I for I was Rex.
Speaker 3: I mean I like Strickland more. Rex does not seem
very meany to me. My last complain about the aliens
if we talked about how like poor they are at
finding anything except for the codex unless someone's shooting at them,
Like that's the rules that I've been given as a viewer.
But then how then when when when Venom gets captured
Venom and Eddie and they're separated and taken off, then
alien like perfectly tracks them across presumably fairly far away
to the base, sneaks into the base, steals through the base,
even though there's presumably people over the place. Like none
of that really makes sense for me, given how clumsy
the alien seems to be unless it can literally see
a codex in front of it, So none of that
made any sense to me.
Speaker 2: And what terrible hunters too, like when like they have
some sort of tracking, but really they can only see
the clear, the code is clear. It's like when the
codex is not around, how does Noel use these things?
Like when he sends them, It's like, are they always
just like they can't find their.
Speaker 3: Tabs if they already in fact, his creations like you
did a pretty poor job of terrible working at workshopping them. Yeah,
he needs get Calibrin Bore in there to make them better.
Speaker 2: Damn excited to see Nolan's Secret Wars or Spidermen for
or something like that.
Speaker 4: He was definitely in here a lot longer than I
was anticipating, for sure. But yeah, he didn't. He didn't
really do much, just sat in his thrown and sat
in his chair. It's funny because he reminded me of
another villain from Transformers, actually Revenge of the Fallen, where
you have this big main bag guy. He just sits
in his throne throughout the whole movie. But at least
in that movie comes out to fight at the end. Here, no,
it wasn't. The case just sits there at the very end. Though.
It was weird because I don't I'm not sure if
he was talking to himself or someone was talking to
him the way that he was doing the voiceover was peculiar,
but it was like, oh, your champion is dead or gone,
I should say, I'm paraphrasing, of course, and then yeah,
it breaks into just this dialogue of him getting out
and gonna kill everyone. Yeah, yeaha YadA. So I'm assuming
the champion is Venom, and I took it as like, well,
that's like you guys are to discuss that's his way
of getting free through the Kodek. But that's not the case.
It's just very convoluted and very very messy. But he
did look cool and he sounded pretty cool, So I
would absolutely be excited to see him on a more
prominent villainous role. I guess, like the main antagonist in
an actual Marvel Disney movie and not an associated I
don't think that's gonna happen now.
Speaker 2: I think, luckily, with how Venom this weekend is gonna,
I think really underperform. I think they're gonna look at
that and be like, you know, let's let's not whatever,
because that's what I was happy.
Speaker 4: About there was He's gonna be like, oh, no Spider
Man for you?
Speaker 2: Well no, they already had that contract, right. The Marvel
still is at least one.
Speaker 3: More, if you're still going to make some money somewhere,
even if it comes from Disney making the money for you.
Speaker 4: What if that contract has Noll in there.
Speaker 2: I don't think I had nol in there in twenty eighteen,
but you're right, I guess. If not, well, then do
the same thing that they did with Tom Hardy and
No Way Home. I have Nolan there in the end
credit scene and suck them back to the Venom universe
and you're good to go. Like that's what I did,
like because I was worried in the predictions. I said
they're gonna have a direct tie to it, and like,
that's just Nelson. I'm gonna annihilate you. That's a very
general like he could just be going to the Sony verse, right,
Can fine have him fight against because I they're definitely
teasing the Sinator six. I think because at one point,
which I don't understand, we met there's a like a
private or secret group called the Imperium or something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I totally forgot about that thread.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he said Rex at one point said send
the six and I was like, Fuck, what is about
to happen right now? Are we gonna get a near
citizen six because I can't believe that it's Rex, which
is six guards behind him, right, And then they specifically
for people they didn't watch this movie. He is talking
to a guy that's in a shadowy room. You don't
see his face. Yeah, it's like the shadow guy from
Amazing Inspiermen two where there's something a Footso I think
they are starting to set the seeds of that as
like a big corporation. But yeah, I like that. Have
Null fight Venom morebus madam Web, Sure, do that, but
don't I don't think after this you can put them
in my opinion, in the Marvel universe. Do fine, if
you want to do multiverse, get Venom in there. Sure,
but no, like even then, even at least if this
movie would have sucked, but it's like, hey, nol seem
really cool and I would like to see that. This
just felt like a discount. Then I felt like we've
been here, done this, you know, so yeah, let's uh,
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Speaker 1: Nice long anticipated wait for this one. It's a pretty
minor point, but I just wanted to address to Travis's
pet peeve that he mentioned on a cast not too
long ago where they take whenever films take I feel
like it's a pet peep of mine now after you
brought it up. They take an image from a movie
or the same movie or something to use as like
a screen capture or a photo.
Speaker 2: Like like like a like a security camera. Got it,
but it's a shot of like a promo shot of
Eddie Brock.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, it's like great resolution and everything, and
they definitely use that for Patrick Mulligan's like screenshot when
they're like Eddie Eddie Brock wanted for murder of this
character and it's like a scene vantom too, when he's
like looking down a hallway and I swear that was
in like every trailer too. So as soon as they
showed it on screen, I'm like, oh God, I hate
that so much now. I feel like I never noticed
it before before you brought that up, Travis, So uh yeah, No,
that's definitely a pet people in mind. Now I'm gonna
be I feel like it's one of those things that
it just stands out so much, especially if you've seen
the movie or the show or something. It's the worst one.
It's probably taken from the same thing. Like if it
was a shot from this movie used there, I think
that would be even more egregious.
Speaker 2: But you'll never see any heat first movie that and
what Dylan brought this week. I'll try to make sure
there's no on the ground. There's none of that in
this movie, Dylan. No one on the ground finding a
piece of metal and Henry. Yeah, so we got a
couple of pet peas, will make sure not to hit.
Did you have some more specific go other than the footage.
Speaker 1: I just know I was just kind of going off
my notes, my last couple of things. To shut up.
But we can go elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Teddy Pain, which is where it's going.
That is a fucking porn star name. I've ever heard one,
but to Teddy Pain. Oh, this is a character. I
would completely again, just chop her right out, just make
it rex and give some scientists a few lines. But
just that for some reason they I don't know, someone's
going to explain it to me. They accept some origin
where she has a twin brother, you know, that's great,
and all he wants to go to space. That's great,
and all the on the beach their parents are now
to be found.
Speaker 3: What did he want to go to space? I thought
he wanted to work at Area fifty one. That was specific.
Speaker 2: That's how you said he want to go up?
Speaker 1: I heard said multiple times in the movie. But yeah,
she's like living her brother's dream by working for fifty five.
Speaker 2: Someone have to let me know I'm not going to
rewatch it, so I'll take your guys's words.
Speaker 3: Either way, it stood up to me as being the
dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. That's right
in my head.
Speaker 2: So they're almost beach sorry, looking stormy, but a storm
even becomes you know, storm is out there and the
X Men doing some practice lessons happens to take on
these kids' lives. But so anyways, they start to run
away from the storm. They're holding hands. Her brother got
shruck by lightning, kill kills them, and she has like
a lightning bolt scar. It's like they're bad Harry Potter.
She's like lightning bolt scar, upper arm all the way
to her neck. And yeah, her life mission is now
to her brother wanted a job or to do something thing,
so she wants to do that. And I don't know
why we actually needed any of that backstory. Again, if
there's maybe a two and a half hour move where
we got some great character development's deep story, then maybe,
but that's on this movie, so it's like take that
all out of there. She also somehow makes a simio
that's infused with lightning. I don't know why that is,
Like she's just obsessed with lightning. It wasn't like a
I would have been cool if like she had something
in her and then the simula and that like both,
but it seems like she concocted like, hey, I've been
hit with lightning. I would like to have lightning powers.
It's like she's like trying to It's like a Spider
Man got bit and he got no spider powers, Like
all I want spider power, So when I make a formula,
it's gonna have spider powers. It was odd. Did not
like this character. Same thing as Rex, and sometimes they
made her seem like she was gonna be the crazy,
dangerous scientist going against the grain, but then at the
end she's a completely good guy and helping out and
uh yeah again another terrible character that was had some
weird scenes with Mulligan and not and her sidekick is
the Chris One too. I have issues with that weight.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, to me, that's like when we look at
doctor Payne and it's like why why, Like what is
this backstory doing here? But then I think, to me,
it's like, well, if you don't do the backstory, then
you get a character like Christmas. I'm just gonna call
her that because I don't remember her name. And that's
what Rex called her. I thought that was funny or
that character makes no sense to me. Like all we
have to go off of is that she's got some
like kinky interest with symbiotes. She like we see her
tap one of the tubes in a way that's like, Okay,
she's kind of weird and quirky. She likes these symbiotes
and that's all there is. And so it's really hard
to buy into like anything that she's doing, because she
makes some pretty notable decisions. She's never done it before,
but she just goes and absorbs a symbiote to go
transfer it to Eddie. That's a huge leap of faith,
Like you just might just die in this encounter. She
gets the other suit later and does I mean, I
guess at that point the suit is kind of taking over, presumably,
But like there's so many questions there and I just
can't answer them. But at least with doctor Pain, I
can at least understand a little bit more. I think
the storyline with the brother is so forced and cheesy,
And I think the thing I hated the most was
like at the very end, kind of when the battle's
coming to a close and Rex, this is like right
before he sacrifices himself and the three of them are
there and he's like, this is what your brother wanted.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 3: He makes some little wise cracker joke. He's like just
making fun of this girl's like dead brother, just like
in this moment when all this crazy stuff has happened,
it's like just such a wild thing to say, so
just like none of it made sense. This This is
too bad because I haven't seen this actress in much,
but after watching ted Lasso, like she's so great there
Juno Temple, and like, I was so disappointed that this
is like the role that was given to her. Her
accent also threw me off this big time.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get asked it.
Speaker 3: It's great, but I it just was so weird for
me to hear after watching so much ted Lasso. And
then I think that the thing that is just killed
the character for me is just how she has no
reactions when people are dying, Like when he's like, hey,
three of my soldiers just died for what we're doing here,
she has no reaction whatsoever, And it makes me get
any like DNA.
Speaker 2: Or something she has, And that's what I thought scientists come.
Speaker 3: That's where like, Okay, I want to root for her
because I like the actress, but I can't root her
after after how cold hearted she is. And so to me,
that's that's the stuff that didn't make any sense, Like
I get like the person who wants, you know, the
science above all else, but I feel like there's a
line it's like she probably even met some of these
people that are dying too, and she doesn't give a
shit at all. Later the movie, more people are dying
and she doesn't care. So I think that that was
like the lynchpin of what made the character kind of
broken for me. And they even have Chris have any
empathy for her.
Speaker 2: They even have Christmas when she says that line of
like did you get any dnair or not? She like
looks up at her like like you're a cold person,
Like how could you ask that? So again, like Rex,
to me, they were giving is of Oh, she's gonna
that's whatever that tube is, She's gonna help them get out,
like when she helped release all the symbios that oh man,
maybe there's some twist where she's doing this for her
own personal game, like yeah, sure to help. But then
after because she's taking care of them. Maybe they're gonna
look at her like a month like I thought, oh,
something cool could happen here, But no, it's just then
she's a good guy. She's saving the family, she's saving venom.
She becomes Agony, which is a symbiode. It's just like, yeah,
which is like a cool enough look. I guess it's
just it was just scream, I guess, but it's not
they I like the hair for the symbiodes. But yeah,
she becomes a symbiode at the end. And then at
the end they like do stupid sequel bait where it
goes when she look on her hand and like looks
at the screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she gets that redeeming moment of her brother died
in this way, but it's to save Christmas in this way.
Speaker 4: It's like out of all those symbiotes. Now, I don't
remember seeing the two that were like confused together die,
and maybe it was a quick scene.
Speaker 3: Because one died for sure, they got ripped apart and
then they got.
Speaker 4: Kid they both did, okay.
Speaker 2: I one, yeah, I saw one aiden for sure. I
don't have them the other one. But you would assume
that that explosion also maybe took them up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I thought that was really really
cool seeing all the different types and yeah, Travis, you
alert to this before the fire guy total disappointment when
I saw him. I always like, that's fucking.
Speaker 2: He's gonna like he's gonna pop off, like here we
go practiced. Second, there's a lot of it was like Marble.
It's like Smash Bros. Where it's a carnage and you
have a bunch of different color sets like that's what.
Too many of them for me had the knives. Too
many of them had the body.
Speaker 1: That's why I thought I was like one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: I'm like, holy, one of them kind of like this
king a little bit. He was kind of rocky and dusty.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I liked like I liked that they're trying to
do some difference. He was bigger, and the Christmas one
was dumb, like the Simul touches his tree. Oh I'm
gonna be green, and like rad.
Speaker 1: It was that just for identification purposes. Like I was
so lost because I haven't revisited the second movie. I'm like,
was this character in there or something like, like it
seems like we have a lot of focus on this
Christmas character of like she's the one that snuck venom
back to Eddie. Like it's just yeah, I and what
the significance on this character for no apparent reason.
Speaker 2: And again why I have to believe there's cut scene
she's like a like it's like in the Hierarchy of guys.
At the end, it's like venom and then her she's
kicking ass all over this thing. So it feels like, oh,
this is a character that you're rooting for the whole time,
but all you learn about it is that her mother
made her opinion that she doesn't even love Christmas. Her
mother made that her opinion, Like I can't throw it out.
It's just like it's it's so odd the choices they do.
But I think there's like enough fun symbio to the
action at the end that I can like even with
I can understand if someone likes the simios, like, Okay, yeah,
it's cool scene. I don't think any of this has
earned but it's cool seeing them. And Tack, can you
bring up your point about the codex and the Simultes
that I agreed with you and I don't want to
take it from you because you were talking about in
the car, which because nol Eddie and venom are so important,
right because they say to each other and create a codex.
But you're talking about this in the car.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I'll use I can't remember his name, like
the security guard for example, when he just fucking stood
alone you shall not pass with this little and he
got absolutely bopped. But the thing is, and the point
being made is that, Okay, he's dying, and a bunch
of other people were dying too, and then these symbios
that connect with them. You think, then okay, if they're
saving someone from dying, that should be creating a whole
bunch of o their codex, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, should at least be three to four.
Speaker 1: My counter argument would be he didn't die yet, he
was just dying and the symbio jumped on him.
Speaker 4: But that's what what they said, though, Like if they're.
Speaker 1: Like actually died and like.
Speaker 4: Oh, you're right, he did say that if the person
dies that.
Speaker 2: So they have to like flatline then.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess like smack the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not like invested in this argument, you know,
like like it is pretty silly the reasoning for it.
I wish they had more. I wish there was like
a better reason than just that's the only reason that
they have the codex, like like Venom had it with
like you like stole it from I don't know some
way shape or for him. It just I was saying
it earlier, like it just seems like a lazy way
to put significance on Venom, and like this is the
most important symbio because he's the one that as the.
Speaker 3: Codex, but I chosen oneeness of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to play a devil's advocate. That would kind of
be my my pushback. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I
don't know.
Speaker 2: They just I'd have to not that I'm gonna I'd
have to watch Venom one the ending, see like the
state of Eddie's body when that happens, right, because I
remember he's not they show him get stabbed. I remember
they at one point in Venom he like hits the water,
I think, right, and then it's something where because they
try to pretend like Venom's dead, So I'd have to
go back, but I'm not gonna do that. So I
guess you could be right Kirkling that I guess he's
not like flat lined, you know.
Speaker 1: Just counting on all you guys not wanting to go
rewatch that first movie.
Speaker 2: He loved this. We're trying to give it views and
you're not letting us, you.
Speaker 1: Know, uh, Doctor Payne. Yeah, I really liked Juno Temple
in ted Lasso. I thought she was a character that
I don't know, like I just thought nothing of like
when she was first in that show, and then she
really grew to like just be an interesting character, great performance,
And I was really let down by her performance in here.
I like, I don't even think it's necessarily all her.
I think, well ninety percent of it I would imagine
would be the writing. But also it's just like, because
I haven't seen her do an American accent, I just
couldn't get past past that. She's a very thick accent
in ted Lasso, so to just get this like American girl,
I think because it it was so strange for me
to hear the accent coming out of her mouth. A
lot of the lines just felt so like flat, like
as if she was just like like doing a table
read type situation. And I don't want to try not
to break the accent. Yeah, I don't want to just
put that on her. It's just that's that's how that's
how I kind of took those lines unfortunately, so I
was really unimpressed with that, but also just the whole
storyline around her and her brother, and I think it
was one of those things where, like that storyline, I
thought there was more significance to the Christmas character. All
the cymbiels kind of pop off in the last few
minutes of the movie. So I just felt like we
were getting a lot of set up and I just
never got a lot of that answer, because like, how
does it end. She just, I guess is living her
brother's dream by working at Area fifty five. I now
she has these lightning powers, and it's just that just
where we're going now, like like she just is a
venom character, like like she still has that symbiode and
she's it's also like when she pulls out the vial
and she just like activates her powers, it just felt
very unearned and like notice like a satisfying I don't
know savior. Event I'm completely agreeance with what you said, Travis,
of just acting her from the movie, Uh, not just
the actress, but just like the character.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if you compare her like Symbiot moment
to everyone else, it's way more muted, right, she just
gets to like save one person and then it's kind
of over at that point, which is disproportionate Helmas like
screen time that character gott and how much she's like
actually given a backstory, whereas no one else has given
a backstory in this at all. Yeah, Yeah, it's kind
of weird, random, random, kind of nippick about. Like, so
the situation here at Area fifty one, they're shutting down
Area fifty one, decommissioning it, so they're kind of just
blowing up random stuff like one by.
Speaker 1: One acid bath everything, and then the acid.
Speaker 3: Bath, which is like how would Venom know to go there?
And it's it's very like why is there just an
acid bath? Like it's none of it really made any sense.
But nearby Area fifty five, it's like right there, it's connected.
I don't exactly know geography wise, but like it's a
hidden secret base, and presumably that secret base is gonna
continue doing it secret based stuff after Area fifty one,
they're gonna keep the Symbio program going there. So it's like, okay,
first of all, that's really risky that like okay, the
security around this base is gonna be taken down, so
now there's like no layers of security. And then also
their base is hidden behind like a sand waterfall, which
is not a thing, right, so people who would go
there would see that like, oh there's a sand waterfall.
That's not a real thing. I wonder what's happening over there,
and they would like discover this hidden base. It's like
the worst way to hide a base is some crazy
natural phenomena that doesn't exist. So uh yeah, that's my nitpick.
There has the dumbest thing ever. Yeah, maybe it looked
cool a little bit, but like save that for doone. Okay,
we don't need that in venom over here.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, though, if you saw sand waterfall,
he wouldn't go in there a bit though, right that
might beat ach.
Speaker 3: I might not, but like people like cave diving and
exploring and stuff, that's yeah, that'd be a great thing
to do, world's first sand waterfall that doesn't exist in
Mario sixty four, like they would be.
Speaker 2: All over that, that's true, you know, yeah, I know
that was all silly, silly stuff. All they can't be
sending messages from up there and everything like that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, and then the just speaking of the acid bath
Rex is like his death. I was I was giggling
so hard in this sequence because like Venom goes out
of his way to shield Eddie and then he's just
basically using Rex for his eyeballs right to activate the
venom or sorry, the acid bath and then does the
first that picks them up get him to do it again?
I mean, well, he's just getting pelted by these little
acid droplets, and just like the camera went back to
him like a couple of times, it's like all the
showers getting heavier, he's getting more acid on him.
Speaker 2: And I understand it because clearly, if they're there well
on like a regular day, right, it's just whatever they're melting.
It's probably not overgrowing and moving so like asides and
moving stuff. But you think if you're like doing acid bass,
you'd have some container overwhere there's nothing here that would
shield like even at least give you a chance to
run away. But yeah, and I couldn't. I was like, oh,
like he's gonna get a little bit. But I'm like, oh,
maybe this is some character I don't know everything, And
I see him reaching for that grenade. I'm like, oh
my god, he's just gonna and he did. He just
killed himself. I was like, wow, there goes, there goes Rex.
You know, I guess he's no longer at the Imperium.
Speaker 3: So and yeah, so Rex the actor that he played
Barren Mordo right in there. You think you think it's
a variant the varyant.
Speaker 2: Situation, I'm gonna say, I hope not.
Speaker 3: Or how about Andy Serkis because he's uh, I guess
he's now null and also uh claw Law.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say, because they don't look just similar voices.
And then I'm gonna say this Bear Mortars twin brother
Rex Mortar, but he changed it. He changed it to
Strickland because that's a cool name as well.
Speaker 3: But I love the sony versions of the the Marvel portals,
just like cheap, cheaper yellow portals.
Speaker 1: They don't like it's pleasant to go through, you know,
they like you just kind of get taught, sparkly and fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, I hope he gets to come back
and be bearing in because if everyone forgets remember the
end credit of Doctor Strange one was no more Sorcerers,
And that's twenty sixteen, and we're still waiting to find out.
Speaker 3: What's because the multiverse was a different one.
Speaker 2: A variant as well. So yeah, we still don't know
what he's been up to. So yeah, it too bad,
don't I don't want him as back as Rex, so
I'll say that Barren.
Speaker 1: Sure, let Rex sleep, Let him sleep, let him have
his acid bath. I want to shout out one scene
before I forget, because I know i'll forget. It's when
Eddie wakes up, uh, and he's trying to talk to
to Venom and he's in like the hospital bed. This
is when he wakes up in New York and there's
a voice says, you know, like you know he's not
gonna wake up and that. This was another part that
was just so funny in the movie because Ty, like
Ty was sitting next to me, and I just heard
him say, like like under his breath, like like who
is it gonna be, like like it's gonna be like
a big significant character or something. The camera just goes
to this most generic looking white dude ever, and I
swear to God, the cameras on him for like five
or six seconds of just like trying to like like
emphasize like this is the character he's talking to. Yeah,
and it's just like, who the fuck is that? It
was just such a funny, like like build up, like
who's it gonna be? Who's it gonna be? It's like
that guy, Wait a minute, who the fuck is that?
But I just could not stop giggling in the theater
because of that. So yeah, I don't know, I was
I don't know who I was expecting that to be
in that seat, but definitely not just some random general
that exhumed him of all his Your sponge spongemed different? Yeah? Did?
Speaker 3: Did Tyler? Like the Hidalgo scene with the horse.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually bring that up. We'll have to ask him.
Speaker 2: Loved it.
Speaker 1: He'll be looking at this, so he'll have to comment, yeah, let.
Speaker 2: Us know, yeah on the patron, but yeah, in that
scene would have made more sense for Shrickland to survive
and then to kind of have like a full circle
moment because something.
Speaker 1: They never He's like two face just all melted.
Speaker 2: Ay bye, this is Rex Stricklan miss his paramortal and
that's how it happens. But like they also another plot
element that just like the oh you'd make a good
dad thing that wasn't needed the whole We see Eddie
Brock himself kill somebody, right, and they do this moment
where he shoots his guard and he's on the log
and he's like having him. I'm like, okay, maybe something
to show on and then right away he gets pulled
away from like a vandom thing and it's off and
then they don't mention it for like forty five minutes,
and then Rex was like, yeah, you killed my guys,
and then Edie's like, well, you made me do it.
It's just like all right, and then it just that,
like that doesn't nothing gets resolved of that again because
Venom secretly sneaked up from Christmas and then they start
fighting and then it's like run and so it's like
nothing gets I guess it was a resolution. Eddie was
torn about it, but he was not torn when he realized, ah, man,
they made me do it. I don't feel bad about
killing an extra life. Now it's like he's a sponge.
Now he's explosed. And even then it's just like I
get that they're criminals. In the beginning of the movie,
they're like, I really don't want to hurt you by
like I'm giving you the last chance warning, and like
they're still murdering people. I don't care if it's Venom
biting the heads off. He's actively helping Vanom murder people.
And same thing. I get it. This guard is like
a US official, probably an innocent that's just doing their job.
But it's just like at this point of a year
of massacring people, I don't know. And again, if you're
gonna do this story of man Eddie Brock feels back
because he's personally killed, someone do something with it. They
introduced it to have bring up twice, it goes nowhere.
It's just it's odd. That's why I have to believe
there's either a script that has torn up pages or
there's stuff they filmed. And I'm not saying I want
this cut because I don't think anything would make it better.
But I just feel like with Rex with Pain, with
this storyline, I don't think there is anything with the
family because I thought it was weird that he hated
the family, that he wants them, But this storyline of
feeling guilty and then nothing comes of it, It's like,
why is this there? Don't like just it's a it's
supposed to be a schlocky good time.
Speaker 1: Just do that.
Speaker 2: Don't make fucking Eddie worry that he took a life,
you know it. Just move along, make them a shit,
just make them shitty military people, and you're a sponged.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that it took until the third movie to happened.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, that realization and why well came out of this,
like why now you know?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they definitely brush the under the rug.
Speaker 2: Because like he does that and then right away he
meets the family, so we're onto that dynamic. It's not
like I could understand if that wasn't in the movie
and imagine that, think about and I don't even know
what the hands of these people, if it would be written. Well,
but take all the family stuff and that stuff is
like Eddie really coming to terms or they killed the
person and we've done all this and maybe he shouldn't
be doing this again. I don't think it would be
that fun to watch, but at least I don't understand.
But no, we just we move on. We meet a
family and.
Speaker 3: The last dance, we gotta dance, we gotta fight, Yeah,
gotta ride horses, gotta ride horses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know says something else I had
there was another thing we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Just post credit for me this last note.
Speaker 2: Oh right, Mulligan, that's a genuine laugh. I got where Okay,
So he's his character from the second one. He's been saved,
he's being experimented on. They'd give the Symbiota scene, which
they never said it was talxing, but he kind of looked.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say that was supposed to be talksing. I thought, well,
he's talking.
Speaker 2: In the Colm books, but I don't think that was talks.
Speaker 1: But anyways, talks Like basically, it just seems like a
genie symbio. He was a genie on everyone's side and
giving them these little, uh, I don't know, prophetic truths.
It seems.
Speaker 2: I guess an actor has to, Like you gotta get paid, right,
so I understand why you do it. But I just
feel like you get that script like I'm coming back,
I got the symbio last movie. I could do some
fun stuff and you're just there to be in a
hospital gown and deliver multiple expersis and jumps about knowl
about uh shedding about how we're like me being a
similar like everything about the movie that doesn't really need it,
but he's there, And man do I love when Okay,
Christmas has a symbio it stinks to the venom. They
all break out and the whole thing is all, well,
they don't want him to get the codex, right, So
I after this whole time being locked up, and he
seems like he's a more like reasonable symbiote as well,
like he's trying to help out because multiple symbio is Christmas, like,
we're not bad, We're trying to help you because they
have Rex murder and innocent Symbio two in the final act,
we didn't talk about that. He just bazook is somebody.
But I got a great laugh, not intention you know,
a great laugh as he gets out of his cell
and he's like ron Eddie. He holds the thing back
and it just gobbles him right up. So this character
that has been here for I don't know, fifteen twenty
minutes in the movie finally third like that, like the
role Christmases was in. I would have believed him in
that role because at least he's supporting character throughout the movie.
But no, that actors came in did the dumb and
oh you can do some cool stuff. Now we're just
gonna have the thing eat and shoot you out. I
was like, man, how just and I just like Rid
has an actor. Of course you're gonna pay, just like, like, man,
this sucks, Like this is what I'm coming back for.
Like I was supposed set up to be like a
villain and now I'm just like this guy. So I
got a good laugh out of them just killing him
off right when he go out of his prison cell.
You know.
Speaker 3: So I gotta say I love the uh the aliens
having just like a full on wood chipper inside their heads.
Speaker 2: Mmm.
Speaker 3: I thought that was I thought that was a fun visual.
Very grotesque, yeah, but quite fitting. And then when they
eat up the different symbiotes and shoot out like different
color goo and whatnot.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff stuff.
Speaker 2: Anything else to bring up about the last dance here?
Speaker 3: Well, I did in our discord tell you guys not
to stay around for the post credit? Did you stick
around for the post credit?
Speaker 2: Taylor made me. Taylor wanted to stay for the post credit,
so and we didn't even see the last three seconds
of the post credit got cut off. So I stilled
to pull up on YouTube regardless. Yeah, I just googled it.
Speaker 1: I didn't even YouTube long Cris Danny Rojas escaping area
of credits were so long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they kind of show like there's a crock
Yeah it is cockroach and a crockroad. A cockroach looks
like it has some like symbio stuff on it. So again,
just like Venom one, they tease Venoms dead and he
could be out there. I guess that's the same thing.
Oh for remind me we have to talk about the
song trace of the Anti Exist. But yeah, that's what
it was. Was it looks like the Simo could still
be out there. Even though I thought what was gonna
happen is I thought, oh, maybe this will still have
My thought, Oh Tom Hardy is gonna go to Holmes
universe and that thing is still there, right, So that's
how he would get Venom back because there's like a
piece of Venom in another universe. I thought, Okay, like
I don't want that happened, but that would make sense, right,
But this is just like fake death of Okay, Venom exploded.
Now he's he's still around. It's like all right, and
I know, like again I don't know how Knol's out,
but yeah, very very odd seen for the guy. You know,
good for him. He's getting work as a postcard actor
in the Sony universe.
Speaker 3: So m the what's up with the little electricity at
the cockroach? Was going up to? What do you guys
think that means?
Speaker 1: If anything?
Speaker 2: No idea, I'm not sure. Is that that lady's vile doctor.
Speaker 3: Pans looked like it? Yeah, hybrid moment.
Speaker 2: Venom gonna come back? It's teasing Miles Morales. Was his
electricity powers? That's yeah, he's there. Yeah, No, I had
no idea. I was. I was caught off guard.
Speaker 1: No, no idea.
Speaker 2: Oh Taylor's venom came out?
Speaker 1: There was like, no, we have no idea.
Speaker 3: Taylor. Are you glad that you decided to stick around
to watch that scene?
Speaker 4: I am glad?
Speaker 2: I are you really?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I just think that, like could I have watched
on YouTube?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I absolutely could have, but uh, you know, it was
a bit.
Speaker 4: It got a laugh out of me just seeing like
this the destroyed bunker zone area fifty one in the cave,
and I was not expecting just to see this fucking
bartender just oh oh no, start freaking out because everything's
the story. So that got a chuckle out of me.
But I did enjoy just getting that quick snip bit
of saying that, Okay, this is how we get a
venom back because it's some cockroach that's kind of latched
onto a to symbio. As for the vial having like
electrical spark, I just took it as well. I thought, okay,
well it would be like the venom vile. But then
I thought, well, maybe it was the one that the
girl had crushed because that was her symbio. But yeah,
I'll just be telling myself that I know.
Speaker 1: It's just this.
Speaker 4: This cockroach has that venom what do they call it?
The symbia not discharge the viral. Oh, there's a term that.
Speaker 2: That they gave its shedding viral.
Speaker 1: I think that's.
Speaker 3: My god, what does that even mean?
Speaker 1: Shedding those virals, shedding those eyes?
Speaker 3: Huh?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 2: And then what happens is so venom. We talked about this,
I guess we just alluded to it. But he gets
all the alien creatures, He like sucks them all up.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Cool, You're seeing venom in like a big state turns
on the acid. We only talk about Rex's death and
so vandom He's like, oh, you know don't forget about me. Oh,
just dumb ship between Yeah, dumb ship between Eddie and
you know. And I also just laughed too. It's like
that seeing the copter where he's saying goodbye to him
because Venom's not there. It's just Tom Hardy just acting
his ass off to like nothing, you know, like I'd
love to say it, but Whiche was just and he's
like looking around, but he's gone. You we already talked
about it. The nobody army guy sponges them. So then
he goes to New York and it's him walking down
the road to get to a spot where he can
see the statue Liberty and they play actually.
Speaker 3: He kind of just wakes up in New York first
of all, which like I guess they transported him there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did he wake up in New York?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, in the hospital bed, I presume he was
like knocked out and that's the first time he woke
up after the whole encounter.
Speaker 2: But in the hospital bed, was that New York? Yeah,
And they didn't confirm, they didn't they didn't say welcome
to New York.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, because it were like in the city
of New York. And then he wakes up like what
we would just show us a shot of New York
and then transport to a hospital.
Speaker 4: But I don't remember it's showing you. I don't remember
any I remember it was just him lying on the
ground and then he woke up in the bed saying buddy, buddy,
are you there?
Speaker 1: And then New York is area fifty one that's decommissioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he goes the sponge him and then
he goes to New York, Like I don't think, because
why would they climb to New York? They can all well, no,
and then they all yeah, he had the judge, but
he wanted to see the statue Liberty. But I can't remember.
Was I think it was a Maroon five song or something. Yeah, yeah,
memory when that hit, Yeah, I was like Jesus Christ.
And that's where it literally just feels like they watched
it put over and like, oh, everyone loved that good
Riddence reel they did with Green Dagy. We should do
something like.
Speaker 1: That one, this song that's five years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've not earned it at all, I think critically.
But even then, just like three, like I just feel
like maybe I'm wrong, Maybe someone's watched this crime, but
I just feel like this sent off the Timmer and
he was like, all right, Like, I don't this doesn't
feel like ah send off to me. It's just like
at the end of the movie and then yeah, that
song choice kicked in and then just fade to black,
and it's like, oh awful, Just just a perfect way
to end this trilogy for what it was so not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it made me think back to all the memories
that I've had on this Venom trilogy and I I
don't know, I just could not stop laughing and throughout
this whole Secrets. I think it was just like the
cheesy little half smile that he that he that he
has on his face. He's like walking through downtown New
York and he's just satisfied with what him and his
buddy Venom did on this journey and you know, goodbye
for now. It's just I think it was just a
lot of cheese. And I think it's one of those
things where it's like I just don't believe that this
will ever finally be done, like it just it's just
I feel like that's too nice to be able to
close this chapter of Tom Hardy's Venom like we're just
never gonna get anymore, but.
Speaker 2: It might be give it a situation we might see
in Luck in the Back.
Speaker 1: I was like waiting though, for Vendom to like say
something in his mind, and then and then it just
actually put the credits, and I'm like, wow, Okay, they
actually they actually did it. Like I was like ninety
percent convinced that Venom was gonna still somehow survive this.
So I guess, like kudos to them for having some
consequence like Venom is dead. Well, yeah, that's the thing though, It's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, that roach will.
Speaker 3: I guess it's technically ambiguous, but yes, yeah, just open
that door, crack it open that the whole.
Speaker 4: End sequence so that I'm just going through all the
different scenes. It was just weird because you get some
shots of Venom from like the first film, it's like, well,
the CGI looks so much worse there in comparison to
just how he looks in this one. Maybe I'm just
overthinking it, but it's just what it stood out of cuts.
Speaker 3: I guess I didn't notice.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it was just I don't have that
sentimental attachment to this character. So what I'm going through
and you're right, Kirkling, he's walking does this like half smirks.
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm not with you on this.
Speaker 4: This is like this is there's no connection here to
this character and just this emotional retrospect that he's dwelling
on as he's going to the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 2: So that's funny. I just think they think they are
like Deadpool where they go, oh, Deadpool can be extremely funny,
but when they got to be emotional, they can do
it and it's like, I get what you're going for,
but it's it's you're just not in that realm there.
Speaker 1: And even even the horse song choice, like, wasn't it
like Guardian's three song? Like it Like it just seemed
like they're really trying to like pull from like what
you said with the when he's on the horse, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's a queen song. I can't remember what you.
Speaker 3: Don't stop me now?
Speaker 1: Don't stop me now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that song Guardians. I felt like it at least okay,
they give me your Guardians for make a picture.
Speaker 3: I feel like that song is in like every movie
these days.
Speaker 2: Not Guardians three though it wasn't it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Uh Hostly Phill Brooklyn though they should have played at
the end you know what.
Speaker 2: He's at or I need a hero. It's one of
those too, you know, I keep forgetting.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: The other thing is just annoying me, is we just
had to I feel like they showed clips from ven
one and two, but in fact the majority of the
clips was from this movie, so I was just rewatching,
Like when they're showing him in like.
Speaker 3: At the bar, I remember, yeah, remember ten minutes ago?
Speaker 4: Yes I did.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I don't. I don't need this, but we
got it, and that that's that's the Venom trilogy. If
I don't, you know, maybe I did feel like I
needed this when we got this an ass, I remember
back in the day, and I guess, do we have
any overall or any thoughts for going to overalls? Okay,
then i'll do that here where I just remember before
this all start of like you know, DC's they're having
their struggles, they're trying to get going, and Marvel's kicking ass.
And then just this idea of back then it was
a radar movie. Never happened. It was a radar Venom
movie starring Tom Hardy. He's like man that has and
I think I remember too. It might have been. It's
one of his last like on Dynamic Duel before Liam left.
It's a if you don't know. It's like it used
to be just like a com book show that me
Kyle Leem used to host and Lem was on his
way out and he was like starting to get that
superhero fatigue. But I remember just even like pitching him
on Venom's like, oh, well, you know that sounds cool,
Like we all love Tom harn He just like to
think where we were from like twenty sixteen or seventeen
from this being rumored to like kudos to them, you know,
they made their money, they made the trilogy. Like who
would have thought Venom would have had its own trilogy?
Probably not me, but it definitely feels like the least
consequential like trilogy and like the comic book realm, like
this is like it's just gonna be such a blur.
It's just gonna be like in twenty nines, like oh
remember when Tom Hardy was Venomed like the next Venom
person wee can It's just it just felt like such
a waste of time. And I've never I watched Venom
one again, but I've never watched two again and I've
never watched this and even if the kids wanted to
watch it shirts on TV, but I'll be on my phone,
like I have no reason of revisiting. It just feel
like such a nothing trilogy. But hey, they were successful,
they found people that liked it. This is not a
good movie. I'm giving this one out of ten half
star for Rice Iphens because I didn't like the family stuff,
but I thought he killed it as like he knew
what his job was. And I at the other half
start because I don't think the simular action at the
end was completely all like. I think they delivered on
a big third act and I agree that sometimes there
is just a just it's just guck everywhere, but there
is other times where like, okay, that's creative or I
like different variants, but that's really it. I didn't laugh
intentionally other than a few more and things, character dynamics
and motivations are all over the place writing. Yeah, I
just a what a trilogy. And I'm very curious to
see the next two weeks of the box office because
I feel like it even in my audience, like I
alluded to the Naunce was, it feels like the shtick
is up now made for people you know that love
for Venom. It's like, I don't think it's like Deadpool
w Olverrain where it kept building or Deadpool. I think
this was like, hey, I think Venom almost like Taya said,
you know, six eight years ago, I was down for Venom,
but now I don't think I need Venom anymore. And
people didn't need Joker, they didn't need Captain Marvel, they
didn't need auckamand so I don't know, is there a
place for Venom. I think we could end it here.
Let's have Craven come out and Sony just do your
animated stuff. I did say to Taya in the car
that I have more faith at least that I think
Craven will be better than this. I would hope it's
just gonna be a bit more simpler, if like a
revenge tale. But you never know.
Speaker 3: So if you're watching the trailer again on the big screen,
I can't agree with that.
Speaker 2: Do you think Craveon's gonna be worse than this?
Speaker 3: I think it very well could be worse. Wow, Okay, yeah,
I mean, uh, I think my number. You know, it's
hard when you get down to these low numbers, your ones,
your two's your three is like, what's the difference. I
don't really know. I was thinking for the meme, should
I give this a three because it's a third Venom movie?
But that felt too high, So I'm gonna go with
a two out of ten because this is the second
Venom movie that I'm seeing, So I give it that
juicy number two, you know, one point for Eddy Brock,
one point for Venom.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go, Yeah, because it might
be the highest. So I'll end off with Taylor in
a high note.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this one a two out of ten.
My reasoning for that is I don't know what it
gave a one on recently. Probably one of the fantastic
retros that we did. Maybe I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Check out Patreon to find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't have my finger ready for the for
the clip, I feel like it is better than some
of those one that I've seen lately. But also I'm
probably gonna give this a one out of five on letterbox,
so that would be two out of ten. So there
you go. I like it nice.
Speaker 3: That feels too high when you say that way.
Speaker 2: I have to look at it because for me, it's
definitely not. I know, taylor're gonna go, I'm gonna ask
the same question because I got Woody Woodpecker there. But
do you guys, like, is this your worst film in
the year so far?
Speaker 3: Man, it's it's a hard battle for this in Web
for me because Web, right, I forgot I guess I
had more. But I do think this is a better
movie than Web. But even then, it's like we kind
of just talked about how bad the plaud and characters
and writing hard in this, So I don't even know anymore.
It's not a great year for Sony movies.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, one of the Sony's movies.
Speaker 2: Is that one.
Speaker 1: I guess for sure.
Speaker 2: I just love that too. Before you go, Taylor, We're like, well,
there's not that much MCU stuff like Deadpool, Agatha, there's
some other stuff, so we'll do like the Marvel Awards, right,
like we'll open it up. It's like much yeah, Like,
let's hope Craven at least this is like a six
out of ten, Like are we gonna be able to
get three Best Male Actors in the Marvel Wards? Like
is there another show missing for mc it's come out
this year?
Speaker 3: Echo start right, Echo, Okay, we we got that goes
get Yeah, ninety seven, you know that's where we're all
the juices.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we're good. We got we got ninety
seven and dead PuO Wolverine, the Little three projects. So
there we go, and maybe Craven, hopefully maybe Craven be standup.
Will we also be surprised? But h Taylor, you get
to end this off the floor is yours? Yeah? I am.
Speaker 4: I'm feeling optimistic on this, even though again it's it's messy,
it's not got great writing, but I still I enjoyed
the action, and I enjoyed other little things. But a
big con for me too is you guys have already
highlighted this that yeah, he takes a risk when he's
dancing in this Chang goes full venom suit, but that's
really the only scenario where we get to see it
he brought in the actual suit aside from like the
dog scene at the at the start, but like it
would be well, even then, he wasn't really in the suit.
He's just being like thrown around by the the Venom limbs,
So it just would have been cool to actually get
him in the full body Suit a little bit more
so that's a big con.
Speaker 1: What do you got adding on to that? Did not
need to see Venom and Suit riding a motorbike. It's
just I don't know, it's not the climactic and to
e like this is like final hours of his life,
you know, if I never gonna see Venom again. One
of the final sequens he's did was running away on
a on a motorbike, and it just I don't know,
I'd rather like a Symbio horse, you know, or like
a Symbio bike that maybe no like for the final
like I don't know, just had to throw out there
it's ress horse.
Speaker 2: He doesn't come to work on a car motorcycles like
I got a horse back there, Like what I rewant again?
Speaker 4: Yes, but I need to answer your other question, like
from the start, like I obviously if it's between this
and Joker Too, i'd be going Joker too over this.
I I think I'm gonna go course, Yeah, come on,
I wanted to go a five out of ten, but
I'm feeling like a four out of ten.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're gonna rewatch the scene though it's a four, hey,
because I feel like that's I don't rewatch too many
fits like today I rewatched Smile because I watched my
two and you me did not like this, says like,
did I hate this as much? So sometimes I do
test up movies.
Speaker 4: I fail, but you think we're like sure, as you
said earlier, like oh, I could just go on YouTube
and just you know, YouTube have some cool fight scenes
from the movie instead of rewatching the whole thing. But
I mean, I haven't gone back and rewatched the second one.
I don't think I've ad all gone back and rewatched
the first one. So yeah, I'll go with a four
out of ten. I think that'll just suit this, suit
this rating for this film quite well.
Speaker 2: And clearly it's not this but not so you're not
left out there, Taylor, what's your worst movie?
Speaker 1: Year?
Speaker 2: Before I hit end stream.
Speaker 4: I checked my letterbox list and I have Rebel Moon Heart,
iwos my last I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: My Irish Wish, Irish wilt. Okay, Irish Wish is better
than Fottom three now.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Venom Venom is above those three.
Speaker 1: Yeah I put that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I forgot about that scene. Oh but anyways, but.
Speaker 1: A long year, I feel like there's a lot of projects.
I kind of forget that came out this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happens these movies.
Speaker 3: You know, So Dune came out, Well you had that
ready to go, do it?
Speaker 2: Do it? Kill Dylan there from that's and it's supposed
to be the serious scene where they like quickly it's
only three seconds, where so few would tell main characters
a flashback, and they're telling her to kill this little girl,
so clearly very dramatic. And you know, this guy who's
playing like the Emperor and he's not a good actor,
and it is just and that's he's instructing her to,
you know, to kill man he needs and he can't.
That's a three. But he keeps talking like that this
whole time. You're trying to like find the serious scene
and he's going off and uh and.
Speaker 3: This performance a lifetime right here.
Speaker 2: Got out of it there. But uh, well, le Joan,
we have done it. The Sony verse ends for now.
Craven will be happening in December. These three boys, I
can't remember what do we call you guys again? Names
that they pull him up there? What were the god?
Speaker 1: What were we three?
Speaker 3: Were the master cheeks or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We still need to find, as we said, a
team name for me, Dylan and Taylor, because we completely
forgot about that. So next time we do a cast
together we'll figure that out. But until then, the Pablo's
we'll talk about Craven, let us know, Discord, Patreon, wherever,
what you what you thought about any theories about Rex?
You know love those? Uh until next time and I'll
be boring.
Speaker 1: Bye bye, do it