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<v Speaker 1>This is a special bonus episode for you.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of these good problem weeks where we

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<v Speaker 2>have way too much good stuff from big ten media

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<v Speaker 2>days to be able to fit it into our sort

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<v Speaker 2>of traditional publication schedule. So we've got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>extra stuff for you this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna let.

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<v Speaker 2>You hear a little bit from Matt Campbell on this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>the new head coach at Penn State. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting stuff to say earlier in the week.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna start with a couple Ohio State related soundbites

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'll get into some other stuff. We're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let you hear directly from him because we've talked a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about what he talked about. But I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you hear from him get to know him a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more. Let's start with the first one. He was

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<v Speaker 2>asked about the impact of Jim Tressel on his career,

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<v Speaker 2>the former Ohio State head coach current Ohio lieutenant governor.

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<v Speaker 2>He actually has been a mentor of sorts for Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell over the years and actually played a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of role in Campbell taking the Penn State job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would just say Coach Trussel has been a

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<v Speaker 3>huge impact on my journey, really every aspect of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I can remember we got let go as

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<v Speaker 3>a coach, our coaching staff, and I was an assistant

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<v Speaker 3>coach at Bowling Green and I figured out real quick

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<v Speaker 3>that this is a business. And I had I had

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<v Speaker 3>just accepted a job to go be the offensive line

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<v Speaker 3>coach and run game coordinator at the University of Wyoming,

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<v Speaker 3>and Tim Beckman got the head coaching job at the

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<v Speaker 3>University of Toledo and called and said, Hey, would you

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<v Speaker 3>like to be the offensive coordinator? And I remember calling

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<v Speaker 3>coach Trussell at that point and said, Hey, should I

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<v Speaker 3>move to Wyoming? I think I should do that, And

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<v Speaker 3>you know, he kind of gave me great wisdom sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>out of sight, out of mind, you've been in this footprint,

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<v Speaker 3>you should stay in this footprint. And it was great

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<v Speaker 3>advice then and honestly, every career moved since then. And

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<v Speaker 3>he coached Trustle has been a huge impact on me,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's had a huge impact on my journey and

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<v Speaker 3>a huge impact on my life as a football coach,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm really grateful for it. And you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 3>had great conversations even about the Penn State job, and

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate him for that.

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<v Speaker 2>The Buck guys are not playing Penn State this season.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was another Ohio State connection that Matt Campbell

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<v Speaker 2>got asked about, and that his former Ohio State running.

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<v Speaker 1>Back James Peoples.

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<v Speaker 2>He was someone who started the year for Ohio State

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<v Speaker 2>last year and then up losing his job to Bo

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson and then transferred to Penn State during the offseason.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Matt Campbell was asked about his running back

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<v Speaker 2>room and his running back situation, you're in here James

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<v Speaker 2>Peoples as one of the people he talks about here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, I think we're excited to see how that

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<v Speaker 3>unfolds in fall camp. You know, I think there's videotape

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<v Speaker 3>evidence in collegiate football games. Obviously, Carson Hansen has proven

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<v Speaker 3>he can be a bell cow. He's a guy that

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<v Speaker 3>can you know, gets better with every carry, and we

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<v Speaker 3>have great belief in what he's got the ability to do.

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<v Speaker 3>But you see flashes of greatness from James Peoples and

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<v Speaker 3>his opportunity to run the football and make some great plays.

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<v Speaker 3>I think everybody got a chance to see Quinn Martin

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<v Speaker 3>do do in the bowl game, and I think we're

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<v Speaker 3>really excited. I think all those guys have made strides

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<v Speaker 3>since really the end of spring practice. But the competition

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<v Speaker 3>carries who's on the field and critical moments. I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's all going to be decided as we get ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>Now on to some sort of the bigger picture stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>not as Higo State specific in particular, but some interesting

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<v Speaker 2>stuff from Matt Campbell, definitely on his job at Penn

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<v Speaker 2>States and his overall philosophy, all that kind of fun stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just start with a real, nice, easy one, just

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<v Speaker 2>his message to the team overall for season number one

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<v Speaker 2>in state college.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the first edition of this Penn State football

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<v Speaker 3>team is the standards and expectations that we are setting

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<v Speaker 3>in our football program. How you show up every day,

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<v Speaker 3>what's authentic leadership look like? Our opportunity when adversity hits.

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<v Speaker 3>How do we stay together through positive adversity and negative adversity?

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<v Speaker 3>Can we grow in those areas? I still believe when

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<v Speaker 3>you master that, the results have always taken care of themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's really the foundation of the growth that we

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<v Speaker 1>Years and years and years.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Campbell and his defensive coordinator John Haycock at Iowa

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<v Speaker 2>State were known for running a somewhat unique three three

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<v Speaker 2>longer there. He did not make the move over to

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State with Campbell, and neither did the three three five.

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<v Speaker 2>So why did he end up deciding to go away

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<v Speaker 2>from what has sort of become his team signature defense.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think the biggest challenge with the three three

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<v Speaker 3>five is when you pay take that safety position, that's

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<v Speaker 3>the line of scrimmage, and there's pluses and minuses to that.

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<v Speaker 3>The plus is you know, obviously how you fit the

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<v Speaker 3>run game, how you can disguise coverages, and the multiplicity

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<v Speaker 3>of disguises that you can add to the value of

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<v Speaker 3>the cover system. Obviously, the challenge can be sometimes in

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<v Speaker 3>the running game when you're gonna add multiple gaps and man,

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<v Speaker 3>can I get enough guys down in the box to

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<v Speaker 3>be able to stop the runs. So you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>great pluses and minuses with it. It's a great system

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<v Speaker 3>if you have the right pieces.

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<v Speaker 2>Campbell has been the head coach at Toledo and then

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<v Speaker 2>at Iowa State and has been successful in both places.

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<v Speaker 2>But this talent, the challenge of stepping up to Penn State,

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be a different, different kind of

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<v Speaker 2>challenge for Campbell. Winning at Iowa State that was difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Winning to the standards of Penn State fans that will

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<v Speaker 2>prove to be a different kind of difficult. So what

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<v Speaker 2>is the challenge of stepping up in terms of recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>expectations going from Iowa State to Penn State.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just think truly understanding the landscape that we're

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<v Speaker 3>in in terms of recruiting, in terms of, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the build of what it takes to sustain success in

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<v Speaker 3>this league. But I would also say, you know, are

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<v Speaker 3>background at being at Iowa State, my background playing at

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<v Speaker 3>Mount Union. Understanding what those expectations look like and what

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<v Speaker 3>it means to lead in the coach and the play

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<v Speaker 3>in those expectations, I think are huge pieces of that

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<v Speaker 3>have traveled with us at every stop that we've had

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<v Speaker 3>that I think have prepared us for this moment and

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<v Speaker 3>this opportunity here at Penn State.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things that's a challenge for every college

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<v Speaker 2>football coach these days is the challenge of adapting to

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<v Speaker 2>the modern realities of college football. And when Matt Campbell

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<v Speaker 2>started his head coaching career, it was a very different

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<v Speaker 2>world for college football coaches than it is now. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about transporportal, nil, all.

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<v Speaker 1>The stuff going through Congress right now.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it like trying to adapt to the modern

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<v Speaker 2>realities of college football.

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<v Speaker 3>Being a head football coach and growing. It's like you

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<v Speaker 3>always say, as an offensive coordinator or a quarterback, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>man experiences the greatest teacher. And I think if you

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<v Speaker 3>have enough humility and curiosity, humility to understand where you've

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<v Speaker 3>gone wrong, and believe me, I think you make a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of mistakes in the journey of coaching every year

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<v Speaker 3>and have the ability to reflect and grow and not

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<v Speaker 3>make the same mistake twice. And then I think have

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<v Speaker 3>enough curiosity to figure out where your gaps and how

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<v Speaker 3>do you demand to move forward? And you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>do think the stage of power for football, the dynamics

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<v Speaker 3>have shifted dramatically over the last three years. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you aren't adjusting, if you're not adapting, if you're not growing,

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<v Speaker 3>then I think you're going to get left behind. And

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's been critically important to have the

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<v Speaker 3>ability to be able to adjust. And I guess maybe

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<v Speaker 3>that fabrics gives you the most confidence that saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not naive to what the challenges are from player

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<v Speaker 3>retention to player acquisition to program development at this level

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<v Speaker 3>and what it takes to sustain success at this level.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time a coach moves to a new school, they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about bringing their own culture and implementing their own

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<v Speaker 2>culture on the program. And this wasn't really answer for

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Campbell because I made it sound like, Eh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that simple to just sort of imprint your own

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<v Speaker 2>culture on your new program.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, talking about the twenty seven recruiting class, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I would just say holistically, and I think maybe the

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<v Speaker 3>question and maybe you were there in the spring or not,

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<v Speaker 3>And my response was, we're going to take it slow

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<v Speaker 3>and right. And I think the biggest mistake that we

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<v Speaker 3>can make because we're still playing catch up in this class, right,

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<v Speaker 3>You're you're playing ketchup in relationship, you're playing catch up

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<v Speaker 3>and evaluation, and the biggest mistake we can make is

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<v Speaker 3>taking the wrong fit, taking the wrong fit, characteristically, taking

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong fit, and this player doesn't fit our system,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I think that when you only have one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and five men under your roster, man aligning the

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<v Speaker 3>And I would say probably there is a general sense

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<v Speaker 3>of confidence that we trust our evaluation, we trust our

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<v Speaker 3>process of building team, and we're I think, really confident

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<v Speaker 3>about where that high school class is as we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of head into the fall, and I think we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to learn a lot more about our own roster, to

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<v Speaker 3>be quite honest with you, as we get into the

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<v Speaker 3>fall for that twenty seven team. I think that's the

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<v Speaker 3>unique challenge that I feel like we're under is finding

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<v Speaker 3>out a little bit more about our own roster. We

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<v Speaker 3>know what our twenty six team looks like, we know

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<v Speaker 3>what the older guys in our twenty six program look like.

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<v Speaker 3>But trying to uncover more about what this twenty seven

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<v Speaker 3>team looks like with our own roster probably is more

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<v Speaker 3>of the unique challenge to the twenty seven high school

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<v Speaker 3>recruiting and then end up being the high school transfer

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<v Speaker 3>portal class or the transfer portal recruiting class. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think we'll learn a lot more about ourselves as we

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<v Speaker 3>get through the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>And finally lots of recruiting questions for Matt Campbell because

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<v Speaker 2>penn State not necessarily where they're ultimately going to need

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<v Speaker 2>to be.

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<v Speaker 1>They are twenty third in the nation right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously it is just July, the class is not anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>close to sign and so plenty of time there. But

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<v Speaker 2>of the top twenty players in the state of Pennsylvania

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<v Speaker 2>according to two four to seven, only one of them

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<v Speaker 2>one of the top twenty in Pennsylvania currently committed to

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<v Speaker 2>penn State. That is probably not going to ultimately be

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<v Speaker 2>a winning formula for Matt Campbell.

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<v Speaker 1>So are they already? Are they behind? Are they? Are

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<v Speaker 1>they fallen behind already? In twenty twenty seven?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, I would say the biggest thing is you.

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<v Speaker 3>And again I've only done this. You know, I got

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<v Speaker 3>the Toledo job and I was thirty one and I

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<v Speaker 3>was the offensive coordinator, and so you know, it was

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<v Speaker 3>and you assume, hey, I'm just going to bring this

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<v Speaker 3>really learned at that stage. Task questions what's going on here,

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<v Speaker 3>what's gone well, what hasn't gone well? If you're the

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<v Speaker 3>of the program, whether that's the players or the coaches

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<v Speaker 3>the program. And I think that really served me well

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<v Speaker 3>going into this Penn State job. You know, yes, there's

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<v Speaker 3>some moral fabrics and fibers that I truly believe in

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<v Speaker 3>what it takes to win and be successful in a

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<v Speaker 3>think it's critically important to understand what has going on,

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<v Speaker 3>what are the good things that have happened, and obviously

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<v Speaker 3>there are good things that have happened to Penn State.

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<v Speaker 3>What are the areas that you know, maybe are not

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<v Speaker 3>where they want to be or where they need to be?

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<v Speaker 3>And then how do you devise a plan and a

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I think that's probably the biggest learning experience,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, during my career with a transition and a

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<v Speaker 3>change and We've really tried to lean into that value,

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<v Speaker 3>not having the ego and entitlement to say, man, I

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit from new Penn State head coach Matt Campbell.

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<v Speaker 2>Really interest some interesting stuff there. He is not quite

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<v Speaker 2>as I don't know, engaging verbose as former Penn State

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<v Speaker 2>head coach James Franklin, but definitely some interesting stuff there.

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State not on the Ohio State schedule this year,

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<v Speaker 2>so you will probably this will be one of the

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<v Speaker 2>last times you hear from him, at least for a

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<v Speaker 2>little while, but should be an interesting season one for

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Campbell in state college. With the Penn State Nitney lyons,

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