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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James.
Speaker 3: Bubo Fay, Hey, bobes, Hey, Matt. What's going on? Man?
Speaker 3: Everything good?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, just uh ready. We got a great guest calling
Speaker 5: on the day, so I'm excited for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I'll tell you that it's been a busy day.
Speaker 3: I mean I kind of I think I woke up
Speaker 3: wearing my running shoes or something, because I woke up
Speaker 3: and have not stopped since. I think I've had about
Speaker 3: eight minutes down And I take that back. I drove
Speaker 3: to the I drove to work, so I had fifteen
Speaker 3: minutes of uninterrupted peace for a moment. But other than that,
Speaker 3: I've been busy, busy, busy. The cast streamed down the
Speaker 3: in the outbuilding is nearing not nearing completion, but the
Speaker 3: first phase is definitely close to being done. Hanging doors,
Speaker 3: doing all that sort of stuff. Had to go to
Speaker 3: work today because there's a flu going around and one
Speaker 3: of my employees was out, so I had dropped by
Speaker 3: work and all chaos broke out there because all sorts
Speaker 3: of stuff was going on, good stuff, good stuff. When
Speaker 3: I right when I walked in, Niko was there and
Speaker 3: he goes, hey, there's a guy in the back that
Speaker 3: knew Paul Freeman. He said, no kidding. So I went
Speaker 3: back there and talked to him, and I guess Paul
Speaker 3: Freeman was like part of the four H Club or something,
Speaker 3: and he knew this guy and he was better friends
Speaker 3: with Wes Summerlin. So he's telling me the stories about
Speaker 3: Wes and Paul and everything, and then he goes, oh,
Speaker 3: footprint casts, I'll show you what I do with these,
Speaker 3: you know. And he shows me a picture on his
Speaker 3: phone of a footprint cast that I've never seen before.
Speaker 3: I go, wow, where'd you get this? Because he mentioned
Speaker 3: how Grover Krantz is I think sister or niece or
Speaker 3: somebody had a store in the Kennewick area, the Tri
Speaker 3: City area, and is that one of the Krantz I've
Speaker 3: never seen that. I've never seen that cast before. He goes, oh, no,
Speaker 3: that's when my friend gave me down in hum Or,
Speaker 3: Northern California, somewhere and there's a there's a creek down
Speaker 3: there off the Smith River, and he's got a couple
Speaker 3: of them off there, and go, no kidding, So he's
Speaker 3: going to try to find out He's going to try
Speaker 3: to find the name of the creek and tell me
Speaker 3: what it was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but anything anything that those Wilson Creek tracks.
Speaker 3: Wilson Creek maybe it is. I don't know, but I
Speaker 3: have his number, I have his name and everything. But
Speaker 3: check this out. That wasn't even the end of it.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to try to copy that at
Speaker 3: some point. I think I kind of mentioned like, well,
Speaker 3: I drive through Kennewick every once in a while if
Speaker 3: I'm out there, would you mind if I drop by
Speaker 3: and maybe make a quick copy of it? And he
Speaker 3: didn't seem to be adverse to that, which is kind
Speaker 3: of cool, but the same the same guy. He goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know my son. I think it was my son.
Speaker 3: My son filmed one one time. What he goes, yeah, yeah, well, god,
Speaker 3: maybe you can get me in touch with them. I'd
Speaker 3: love to see it. And he goes, oh, it's on
Speaker 3: my phone. I'll just show you. So oh yeah, sure, okay,
Speaker 3: And so he pulls out his phone, and I guess
Speaker 3: the story was. It was on Tiger Canyon Road out
Speaker 3: in the Blues, you know. So it was wintertime and
Speaker 3: there's this there's a gate over there on the road
Speaker 3: that goes up and during the winter time they close it.
Speaker 3: So these guys they backed their snowmobile, like they back
Speaker 3: their trucks up against the gate and then put their
Speaker 3: snowmobiles over the gate, you know, in this drive up
Speaker 3: Tiger Canyon Road. And so what they did is they
Speaker 3: drove up kind of towards the top and you know,
Speaker 3: did their hanging out and goofing around and like they're doing,
Speaker 3: just enjoying their snowmobile day. On the way back down,
Speaker 3: herd a elk cross in front of their snowmobile, and
Speaker 3: so they stopped for a minute and they filmed it
Speaker 3: and everything, and then they kind of swung the camera
Speaker 3: up on the hill and filmed a big bull elk
Speaker 3: up on top of the hill and kind of swung
Speaker 3: it back around. And that was the end of it
Speaker 3: as far as they were concerned. And then he shared
Speaker 3: the footage with his dad, the guy I met today,
Speaker 3: and his dad saw something in the footage in the footage.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's like, when I heard that, my
Speaker 3: heart sang. It's like, oh, it's one of these things.
Speaker 3: I didn't see it at the time until I saw
Speaker 3: into the back. I'm thinking, oh, this is gonna be Paradoia. Right,
Speaker 3: it's not. It's not Paradoia. He showed. I guess when
Speaker 3: the guys swung the camera up to the elk up
Speaker 3: on the hill, the bull elk up on and this
Speaker 3: is like three hundred plus yards away probably it's a
Speaker 3: good distance away. And I didn't even see the elk
Speaker 3: at first. I had to watch it twice before I
Speaker 3: saw the elk. He goes, Yeah, there's the elk. And
Speaker 3: if you look over here, blah blah blah, and this
Speaker 3: little patch of trees there right there, you can see
Speaker 3: it moving. And I'm thinking, oh, it's just going to
Speaker 3: be a stump or no. No, you can see a
Speaker 3: human shape figure moving through the trees.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, it's not nothing to write
Speaker 3: home about, but it's something to share with you guys,
Speaker 3: because you guys are big foot folks like me and
Speaker 3: get excited over small little tidbits. I don't have the footage.
Speaker 3: There's nothing I can share or anything like that. But
Speaker 3: I saw it and it's pretty cool, and I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: think of the context here. These guys are a few
Speaker 3: miles probably up past the gate where you're not allowed
Speaker 3: to go, and there's snow all over the place, and
Speaker 3: this thing is three five hundred yards up the mountain
Speaker 3: side on top, and it's really difficult to get to location.
Speaker 3: The water sheds right on the other side of it
Speaker 3: because it's Tiger Canyon Road.
Speaker 4: You know, you got a sense of size for it.
Speaker 4: I looking at the el now.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say. But the guy he is going
Speaker 3: to email me the footage so I can zoom in
Speaker 3: and stable and do my sorcery with it, you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to take a look at it. Maybe
Speaker 3: maybe there's something else to learn, But right now I'm
Speaker 3: not super hopeful that we were going to, you know,
Speaker 3: squeeze a lot more information out here. But I have
Speaker 3: the general location, I have the context, I've got the story.
Speaker 3: I'll probably maybe contact the guy and see what he
Speaker 3: has to say about it. But remember he didn't see
Speaker 3: it at the time, so I'm not sure what else
Speaker 3: I would learn from that, but I'll try anyway, because
Speaker 3: you never know what you're going to learn, you know.
Speaker 3: But even before that, you know, I got you know,
Speaker 3: last year, if you remember, I did that Sportsman show
Speaker 3: here in Portland, and a couple of the people I
Speaker 3: met there were of interest. And one of the guys
Speaker 3: said that, oh, yeah, my friends cast some prints down
Speaker 3: by the Shasta areas what he told me, And I said, oh,
Speaker 3: I'd love to you know, if you ever see those people,
Speaker 3: I'd love to see fo you know, pictures of the
Speaker 3: cast or whatever. And you know, crickets for like the
Speaker 3: last year. And then like two weeks ago, a week ago,
Speaker 3: he reached out to me, I'm down here, I'm going
Speaker 3: to see these cats. Oh great, great, once you send
Speaker 3: me pictures. And he did. He did today and apparently
Speaker 3: it wasn't Shasta, it was Trinity Lake. And he lives
Speaker 3: out there somewhere, you know, like east of View somewhere,
Speaker 3: but out in that general direction I think on probably
Speaker 3: on the reading side of the mountains, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And he's sure enough. He sent me pictures
Speaker 3: of the cast and some pictures of photographs of the
Speaker 3: footprints in the ground, and they are beautiful, they look
Speaker 3: really really cool, and the guy's an older guy and
Speaker 3: he doesn't want me nosing around or talking to him,
Speaker 3: so I don't get to talk to him, unfortunately. But
Speaker 3: at least I got the pictures of the cast.
Speaker 4: Was there a scale reference?
Speaker 3: Not really?
Speaker 4: Not really?
Speaker 3: They look pretty good size, and again it's not Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I didn't really ask if I could share them with,
Speaker 3: you know, the public, so I can't really post them
Speaker 3: on Patreon or anything like that, like what we normally
Speaker 3: do about these sort of things.
Speaker 4: You put them on Patreon.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I will text the guy and
Speaker 3: ask him if if I can share them, and if
Speaker 3: I can, then our members will see him. You know,
Speaker 3: it's the bottom line. So but I'll all of a
Speaker 3: sudden to you guys, because you're not going to go
Speaker 3: anywhere with them. They looked very very good anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just another day in close life, chalk full of bigfoot stuff,
Speaker 3: rushing around doing this and that, and then coming on
Speaker 3: a podcast getting ready to hear a fantastic story from
Speaker 3: what I understand.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, dude, this guy had a great, great up.
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not going to get any closer than this,
Speaker 5: and it's and it's just burned, is it happened a
Speaker 5: long time ago, but it's burned into his brain and
Speaker 5: he's you know, you'll get the sense of this guy
Speaker 5: when you talk to him.
Speaker 4: He's just salt of the earth, good honest person.
Speaker 3: So well, let's get on it, man.
Speaker 5: I met Jack back in Ohio, Kentucky, at one of
Speaker 5: the conferences. He's friends with Charlie Raymond, and he told
Speaker 5: me a story that blew my mind. I was just like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, this guy's he's got quite a tale
Speaker 5: and he's a good, solid guy.
Speaker 4: Charlie Boucher's form.
Speaker 5: I've known him for a while and he's just a good,
Speaker 5: you know, honest dude. So I thought you'd enjoy listening
Speaker 5: to him.
Speaker 3: I always loved me a good story. So yeah, gohad
Speaker 3: and lay lay it honest, Jack. I mean, I can't.
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to hearing what you have to say.
Speaker 6: Well, I took a few notes here this afternoon when
Speaker 6: I got in here, and I thought i'd give you
Speaker 6: just a briefing. Odinsboro, Kentucky. It's where I was born.
Speaker 6: It's in Davis County, Kentucky. At the age of four,
Speaker 6: we moved to Sargo, Kentucky, which it's in Davis County
Speaker 6: and it's about let's say, from the downtown Winnsboro. It
Speaker 6: was about ten to twelve miles on the west side
Speaker 6: of town. And yeah, when I was four of us
Speaker 6: when we moved out there. By the time I was
Speaker 6: six years old, my mom and dad took the four
Speaker 6: of us kids at that time. That's how many was
Speaker 6: in the family, four kids, and we went on a
Speaker 6: six week vacation. We went to al Capoco and Mexico
Speaker 6: and went through the Alamo, through the deserts California, Redwood Forest,
Speaker 6: Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore, and all in between. And by
Speaker 6: going on that trip, I know that it helped me
Speaker 6: in my memory remember things very well. Actually, my dad,
Speaker 6: when I was a sophomore in high school, we went
Speaker 6: back out to Rushmore and before we got there, I said, Dad,
Speaker 6: I said, I can tell you what that parking lot
Speaker 6: looks like before we get there. And I did. And
Speaker 6: he turned he said, how and the heck do you
Speaker 6: remember that? I said, I just, I do. I said
Speaker 6: it was so awesome going out there, I said, I just.
Speaker 6: I said. When we pulled up, I said, this is
Speaker 6: just what I remembered. I said, it's the same thing.
Speaker 6: He said, well, you're right. He said, well, that's hard
Speaker 6: for me to believe, but he said, you are one
Speaker 6: hundred percent right. Well, about nineteen sixty seven to sixty
Speaker 6: nine in that area, we were hearing a lot of
Speaker 6: people talking about a big harry wildman running around and
Speaker 6: his name was the Hermit. A matter of fact, the
Speaker 6: lady that I even talked to tonight, she said, I
Speaker 6: remember those years. I remember when the hermit was running
Speaker 6: around David And she said, that's exactly what people were calling.
Speaker 6: It was the hermit that in nineteen sixty eight, my dad,
Speaker 6: he was the president of Davis County Fishing Wildlife, and
Speaker 6: he and a cousin they were raising a lot of birds.
Speaker 6: They mostly quail to get the quill population up in
Speaker 6: Davis County, and they also raised approximately ten other types
Speaker 6: of birds, pheasant, peacock, chuckers, just a lot of different
Speaker 6: wild birds, and they were releasing them into the wildlife
Speaker 6: and we had put in the summer of sixty nine
Speaker 6: after these birds. It took a while to get the
Speaker 6: cages built, but we started probably in about sixty eight,
Speaker 6: and part of my job would we go out and
Speaker 6: feed them, make sure the water was good shape, help
Speaker 6: build the pens, things like that. And by nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 6: was getting out the sixth grade. And it was June
Speaker 6: of nineteen sixty nine and I went out to the
Speaker 6: back porch. It was just turning dark, and I start
Speaker 6: burning my school papers and I'm out there, well, the
Speaker 6: sun had just went down, I mean, burning those papers
Speaker 6: was even showing its light more so because it had
Speaker 6: just turned dark. I was just having fun just sitting there,
Speaker 6: ripping page after page, just sitting there burning them all.
Speaker 6: This year's gone. School's out. Boy, couldn't be any better.
Speaker 6: And by that time I start hearing the birds were
Speaker 6: start flying from one end together, just making a little noise.
Speaker 6: And it came to my thought that hey, we just
Speaker 6: put the electricity out to the barn and shoot. I
Speaker 6: turned the lights on just ten feet from where I
Speaker 6: was sitting on that back porch. I went up to
Speaker 6: hit that switch and I was able to see. Well,
Speaker 6: when I looked out there, I'll tell you what it
Speaker 6: just I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The cage
Speaker 6: was being picked up about twelve inches to eighteen inches
Speaker 6: on each side, just twisting it bam bam, just going
Speaker 6: to each side, and the birds were flying from one
Speaker 6: end and right back to the other. And I yelled
Speaker 6: out there and I said, who's out there? What's out there?
Speaker 6: And it all stopped. The pin just stopped. There wasn't
Speaker 6: any movement going up and down. Well, the birds kept flying,
Speaker 6: and the birds were just all the birds around were
Speaker 6: just making all types of noise, and you could We
Speaker 6: had a cattle barn or very farm next to us.
Speaker 6: The cows they were bawling, and I thought, who's out
Speaker 6: there again? And about this time I see something real
Speaker 6: large just walking through the dark, and I could tell
Speaker 6: that it was very large, and it had that gate
Speaker 6: just like a big foot gate would walk and I thought, man,
Speaker 6: this is this is freaking me out. I hope what
Speaker 6: in that hat? And I'm thinking, maybe this is the
Speaker 6: hermit that everybody's been talking about, this wild haired man.
Speaker 6: And I was just I was scared. I went inside,
Speaker 6: I told people, told the parents, and I didn't hear
Speaker 6: anymore that night. Next morning went out there and there
Speaker 6: were over five hundred birds dead in that cage and
Speaker 6: blood was everwhere where they had dripped. There were a
Speaker 6: few birds still kicking in the cage, but I'd say
Speaker 6: ninety five better than ninety five percent of the birds
Speaker 6: were dead. And uh I just I told Dad what
Speaker 6: I had seen. And I said, Dad, I don't know
Speaker 6: what what was out there? What it was? I said,
Speaker 6: it wasn't a purse, It was not a person. Dad.
Speaker 6: I said, if it was, it was somebody huge. And
Speaker 6: he said, well, we'll have to keep an eye on
Speaker 6: things around here. And he said, I hope this doesn't
Speaker 6: happen again. And so probably about a month goes by,
Speaker 6: and uh I was worshing laundry, and uh I went
Speaker 6: to get some laundry out, and laundry was on one
Speaker 6: side of the wall, and where our clothes dryer was,
Speaker 6: there was a window. And as I turned with those
Speaker 6: closed to open up the dryer, I looked right into
Speaker 6: the window and this thing's looking in the window right
Speaker 6: at me, and I old, crap. I threw the clothes
Speaker 6: up in there. My sister's on the phone. The door
Speaker 6: was opened for the utility room there and she was
Speaker 6: sitting up on the bar. She threw the phone up
Speaker 6: in the air and she said, I saw it. I
Speaker 6: saw it too. Let's get in the bathroom and I said,
Speaker 6: we sat in there for an hour in that bathroom.
Speaker 6: I said, Pat, what it is this? It is this
Speaker 6: the hermit? And she said, I think it's the hermit.
Speaker 6: She said that thing was harry and big and ugly,
Speaker 6: and I said, you're telling me. I said, I know, sister.
Speaker 6: I said, I saw a food. I said, it's scared
Speaker 6: the heck out of us. And she said, you better
Speaker 6: blave out stair.
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Speaker 6: Well nineteen seventy counts around and get out of school
Speaker 6: and my older brother and a friend of myself we
Speaker 6: were staying at a was a single man. Uh. He
Speaker 6: worked a lot of people back there. He was a
Speaker 6: big old guy, Jim Stout was his name, and that sucker,
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what he knew how to shoot a
Speaker 6: higher power rifle. He had mooseheads hanging in his machine shop.
Speaker 6: He had black bear roads. He was very, very much
Speaker 6: of a naturalist. Uh. He was just a good old guy.
Speaker 6: And uh he had an old home place. And we
Speaker 6: were back there watching his house in that machine shop.
Speaker 6: Mostly it was this friend of ours that was the
Speaker 6: one actually that had been assigned to watch it. That
Speaker 6: me and my brother. We went back there that night
Speaker 6: just to stay with him for one night while mister
Speaker 6: Stout was gone to Alaska. And on that night we
Speaker 6: started getting hungry. It was about old It was a
Speaker 6: couple of hours after midnight, and it was hot and humid.
Speaker 6: That night it was very foggy, and the moon was
Speaker 6: out just as bright as it could be. And we thought, well,
Speaker 6: we'll go up to the house, which was about a
Speaker 6: mile away, and we'll have our sister to hand some
Speaker 6: food out to us. And so we had a dad's
Speaker 6: Ford pickup. It was a Ford Falcon and they sat
Speaker 6: low to the ground. It was a white just a
Speaker 6: white standard Ford Falcon pickup and the three of us,
Speaker 6: we hopped in the cab. I sat right in the middle,
Speaker 6: and we pulled over. And as we pulled onto the
Speaker 6: uh where the machine shop was, you drove about al
Speaker 6: about a half mile down the dirt road, and it
Speaker 6: was back in a wooded area. He had peacocks back
Speaker 6: there as well, and then you'd make a right turn
Speaker 6: you'd be on asphalt for maybe a half mile. And
Speaker 6: where our little farm was with seven acres, and we
Speaker 6: had a lake or a small little pond. We had
Speaker 6: the barn. We had those birds, bird pins, things like that.
Speaker 6: And as we came to that turn on this it
Speaker 6: was kind of in a d shape. As we made
Speaker 6: that real sharp turn to come in behind the house
Speaker 6: where this gravel road was right there at that turn,
Speaker 6: I asked him, I said, guys, I said, did y'all
Speaker 6: see somebody walking? I said, I sure think I saw
Speaker 6: something that fog. I saw somebody walk in this way.
Speaker 6: And they said, no, we didn't see anything. Well, he
Speaker 6: pulls truck up in there and he backed it in
Speaker 6: and I go to get out with him, and he said, well, no, no,
Speaker 6: he said, you stay here. Well, my older brother, he's
Speaker 6: five years older than I am. And I said, Bill,
Speaker 6: can I go with you?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 6: I said, I'd feel better going with you. He said,
Speaker 6: you stay here. He said, if anybody comes you just
Speaker 6: blow the horn and we'll be here real quick. He said,
Speaker 6: locked the doors. He said, nobody's going to get you.
Speaker 6: You're safe. I said, all right, all right, I'll do
Speaker 6: what you're telling me. Well, I sat there and I
Speaker 6: watched them walk off, and I thought, I'm going to
Speaker 6: look back again. I know I saw somebody walking. And
Speaker 6: I turned my head to the left of me. I'm
Speaker 6: sitting there right at the wheel, and I looked back
Speaker 6: and it's probably several thousand feet and I didn't see
Speaker 6: anything at first, and I thought, well, maybe I didn't
Speaker 6: see anything. And I sat there just a hair like
Speaker 6: a few seconds. Morning I think I'm going to look again.
Speaker 6: I know I saw something. And when I looked the
Speaker 6: second time, yep, I see the movement. I said, I
Speaker 6: knew it. I knew it. I saw somebody walking. I said, okay,
Speaker 6: hang tight here, Jack, I said, look you can. You
Speaker 6: can see the movement. If whoever's coming, you're going to
Speaker 6: know who they are. It's probably going to be a neighbor.
Speaker 6: I couldn't hunting. You'll know who they are. You've always
Speaker 6: had And I thought, okay, I've gave myself this good
Speaker 6: pep talk. I'm calm, I'm gonna wait. If they go
Speaker 6: on the asphalt, I surely don't have anything to worry about.
Speaker 6: If they come this way, I'm going to know who
Speaker 6: they are. So that was my plan, That's what I
Speaker 6: was telling myself. And I also had that assurance that
Speaker 6: if they did come and I didn't know them, I
Speaker 6: could blow that horn. My brother was going to come.
Speaker 6: So I just sat tied. Well, it kept coming closer,
Speaker 6: and it would go in and out of the fall. Well,
Speaker 6: it ended up coming onto the gravel part as it did.
Speaker 6: I sat there, Oh, it's come in my direction. I
Speaker 6: really have to be on the ball now. Now I'm
Speaker 6: going just I was already locked in, but now it's
Speaker 6: extra extra. You know, looking to see all the details
Speaker 6: you can find jack and just keep your eye on
Speaker 6: this thing. Well, I just kept looking and it gets up.
Speaker 6: I smelled this real strong odor, and it smelt like
Speaker 6: a strong or stronger than a stunt smell, but it
Speaker 6: also smell like a more of a zoo older like oh,
Speaker 6: kind of the wet dog and just like feces from animals,
Speaker 6: and just kind of what a zoo would like if
Speaker 6: you're down in the zoo where the elephants are, lions
Speaker 6: and tigers and that type of thing, it would be
Speaker 6: kind of that that type of smell. But it was
Speaker 6: a lot stronger, maybe two to three times stronger than that.
Speaker 6: I'd say every bit of three times stronger. And I thought, okay,
Speaker 6: I smell that smell, and I wonder what this is.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm already starting to try to process that part.
Speaker 6: And a boy this time. I look up and, like
Speaker 6: I say, the moon is so bright and it gets
Speaker 6: about twelve feet from the truck, and I thought, this
Speaker 6: is not a person. Uh, there's no clothes on this thing.
Speaker 6: And my god, I mean, if I'm looking, this thing's
Speaker 6: like seven and a half meet feet tall and the
Speaker 6: shoulders are three foot wide. This is the hairy man.
Speaker 6: What in the heck is going on? And I thought
Speaker 6: it's time to put this horn on. As soon as
Speaker 6: I put the horn on, it put its hands up
Speaker 6: on its ears and it just roll and I thought,
Speaker 6: let off the horn this thing. I don't want to
Speaker 6: make it all ticked off and aggravate it and I
Speaker 6: start going down into the floorboard of the truck. But
Speaker 6: right as I was looking still at the at it,
Speaker 6: it went down with its hands and it scraped the
Speaker 6: gravel about three to four times each side, and it
Speaker 6: stood back up. And by that time I saw it
Speaker 6: doing the gravel, and I was down low towards the floorboard,
Speaker 6: kind of up crunched up underneath of the steering wheel,
Speaker 6: and the whole truck starts shaking, and I thought, what
Speaker 6: in the world this thing shaking the truck. Isn't in
Speaker 6: the truck? Is it just shaking the truck? Well, I
Speaker 6: looked up in the back window and I said, it's
Speaker 6: in the truck. I see it's hairy legs. And I said,
Speaker 6: what in the world. And then the next thing wham
Speaker 6: right up over the windshield. I mean, it just made
Speaker 6: the loudest pop. And I saw his arm on the
Speaker 6: passenger side, his hand as far as like a large man,
Speaker 6: his hands were I would say, probably an inch and
Speaker 6: a half to two inches longer than that. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 6: what are you? What is this? It's a black hand.
Speaker 6: I could see the hair underneath the hair, I could
Speaker 6: see perspiration, and the muscle in the arm on the
Speaker 6: forearm stood up about an inch and a quarter inch
Speaker 6: and a half. His arm was about three times the
Speaker 6: size of what my dad's arm was. And he was
Speaker 6: six foot three, uh, probably two sixty five two seventy
Speaker 6: five at the time. I mean, so he was a
Speaker 6: big guy. And I'm thinking that whatever this thing is,
Speaker 6: it's it's like a whopper compared to my dad. And
Speaker 6: the hand. I just I looked that hand so much.
Speaker 6: And I would say, on the hand alone, I probably
Speaker 6: had a good thirty seconds look up and down the arm,
Speaker 6: and uh, at that time, it peeped around to the
Speaker 6: side of the truck or to the pass our driver's
Speaker 6: side of the window and looked in at me, and
Speaker 6: then it pulled its head back real quick, and I thought,
Speaker 6: are you playing pete pie with me? What are you?
Speaker 6: What are you doing here? Man? And then his arm
Speaker 6: kind of slid off the window of the front window,
Speaker 6: and he straightened his head up and he came back
Speaker 6: in a second time to look at me, and he
Speaker 6: just he was still, and he was we just we
Speaker 6: just locked eyes. We were like within eighteen inches to
Speaker 6: two feet looking at each other, and the moon was
Speaker 6: shining so bright on him. I could see the details
Speaker 6: that he had small ears, he had the cone head.
Speaker 6: I looked at his eyes and I thought, are you
Speaker 6: a caveman? Are you an animal? Are your mix of him?
Speaker 6: You know you? It just blew him away. And I
Speaker 6: was watching. He had the flat nose, his skin was
Speaker 6: like leather, and the dark dark hair. His eyes just
Speaker 6: I don't know, his eyes were wild looking. They were
Speaker 6: kind of all kind of a yellowish brown mix into
Speaker 6: the eye and had the big lips. And I start
Speaker 6: noticing his mouth was starting and his nose was starting
Speaker 6: to kind of wrinkle up some. It was like he
Speaker 6: was sniffing me out. And all this happened from the
Speaker 6: facial look, I would say it was probably right at
Speaker 6: forty seconds long, maybe forty five seconds. And after it
Speaker 6: did that kind of the sniff, then he opened his
Speaker 6: mouth up real quick, and his it just blew me
Speaker 6: away because his mouth when he opened it, I wasn't
Speaker 6: expecting a mouth to open up this wide, and I
Speaker 6: could see cane I and tith and salava, and it
Speaker 6: just at that time, as soon as it just went,
Speaker 6: it kind of did a hiss at me, kind of
Speaker 6: like and uh, it jumped right out and it went
Speaker 6: right into the cornfield. And about that time my brother
Speaker 6: showed up and he said, what in the world's going on?
Speaker 6: And I'm out there. I could I was stuttering. I
Speaker 6: couldn't even get my words out, like everybody, you know, trying,
Speaker 6: I'm trying to guide them, get me to the house,
Speaker 6: you know, pointing, and I was using body language to
Speaker 6: even communicate with him. I couldn't. It scared me so bad.
Speaker 6: I couldn't even talk with him. I was crying by
Speaker 6: the time I got up there. My sister she witnessed that,
Speaker 6: and I told my dad about it. And the next
Speaker 6: morning I ended up staying there at my house. I
Speaker 6: didn't want to go back over to that place, so
Speaker 6: my sister let me in and I went on in.
Speaker 6: It was so late in the night I didn't wake
Speaker 6: my parents up, but I told my dad the next day.
Speaker 6: I think it was after he got home from work.
Speaker 6: It may have been even that morning. I was exhausted,
Speaker 6: but I told him. I said, Dad, I said, we
Speaker 6: need to get the sheriff out here and fingerprints or whatever.
Speaker 6: What are you talking about? Now? Come on? And I said, Dad,
Speaker 6: it's said truth, I said, And he just kind of
Speaker 6: blew it off. And I said. He said, now, I
Speaker 6: don't want to hear any more about this, And I said, Dad,
Speaker 6: I said, going back even from last year. He said,
Speaker 6: I've got my hands full, and I just I can't
Speaker 6: right now. I just don't want to hear any more
Speaker 6: about it. He said, now, come on, he said, you're
Speaker 6: you'll be okay, and uh, I don't. A couple of
Speaker 6: weeks later, he looked at me and I kept on
Speaker 6: to him, and he said, you did see something, didn't you?
Speaker 6: And I said, I've been telling you for two weeks.
Speaker 6: I saw something.
Speaker 3: I said.
Speaker 6: I was wanting you to get the sheriff out here,
Speaker 6: said if we can do fingerprints or hair samples, or
Speaker 6: said if there was any footprints or anything. But uh,
Speaker 6: even after that event, Uh, it was still that same summer,
Speaker 6: the guy goes back to that machine shop. And it
Speaker 6: was maybe a few weeks later. I don't I don't
Speaker 6: believe I told Bobo this part. Uh, but anyway he was.
Speaker 6: He gave us a call and it's late at night,
Speaker 6: probably right it midnight. He said, uh, Bill, you and
Speaker 6: your dad y'all come over here. Bring a gun. He said,
Speaker 6: there's something or somebody knocking on mister spout's door. He said,
Speaker 6: I've got myself blocked in into into the like the bathroom.
Speaker 6: He said, whatever it is, it won't answer me. And
Speaker 6: he said, it is just beaten on the door real hard.
Speaker 6: Well only a mile away. We were there within just
Speaker 6: a few minutes. And as we got there, we thought
Speaker 6: we saw something shadowed walking away. And we looked up
Speaker 6: and whatever it had been there had cracked, put a
Speaker 6: good crack in this door. And this was an old
Speaker 6: one of those old thick doors, like an inch and
Speaker 6: a half two inches thick, solid oak door. I mean
Speaker 6: it sucker just put a crack right in it. And uh.
Speaker 6: That was After that, I hadn't seen anything, heard anything
Speaker 6: from anybody other than in Davis County. There's been people,
Speaker 6: I think out on hearing one for a Fairview drive.
Speaker 6: Some people said that they had a sighting several years back.
Speaker 6: I went to some of the libraries where Charlie Raymond
Speaker 6: and Don Neil have been and I started that probably
Speaker 6: about maybe eight to ten years ago. I started going
Speaker 6: to some of the libraries. A guy told me about it.
Speaker 6: I met him up there. My sister told me too,
Speaker 6: so we all went and we start learning more about it.
Speaker 6: Than the foot prints, and not only that, what other
Speaker 6: people had seen. And it just really started blowing me
Speaker 6: away when all these hands start raising that. And one guy,
Speaker 6: he was telling a story. He worked for the city
Speaker 6: of Winnsboro here in Davis County, and he said down
Speaker 6: around Barn Harbor Hills that he saw one and it
Speaker 6: was daylight. He said he was at his uncle's barn
Speaker 6: and probably back several one hundred feet away from the
Speaker 6: barn in the field, and he said he saw one
Speaker 6: and it had its hand up on the barn door.
Speaker 6: He said they just locked eyes on each other, didn't
Speaker 6: make a move, and he said they looked at each
Speaker 6: other for maybe three to five minutes. And he said
Speaker 6: soon as he made a move, when he made his move,
Speaker 6: the sasquash bigfoot took off immediately and it was gone.
Speaker 6: He said, ali site just like it just vanished.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after these messages, well, a few
Speaker 3: follow up questions. Have been taking some notes as you've
Speaker 3: been explaining your story to us. I guess one of
Speaker 3: the first things I'd like to ask you about it,
Speaker 3: and I don't think you mentioned this, And again I'm
Speaker 3: trying to keep my notes straight and I'm trying to
Speaker 3: listen closely, so I don't ask you a question about
Speaker 3: something you already explained. So but forgive me if I do.
Speaker 3: As far as far as like the local ledge of
Speaker 3: the Hermit's goes, is that something that you've always just
Speaker 3: grown up with and everybody in the local area knew
Speaker 3: about the hermit And that's just the way it was.
Speaker 6: No, it was just a few years prior to my sighting.
Speaker 6: It was probably the hermit started in about nineteen sixty
Speaker 6: seven right and through there, and the legend was that
Speaker 6: was coming from Barn Harbor Hills, which is right outside
Speaker 6: of Odensboro. I mean, it's within just a few miles.
Speaker 6: And they used to mind co in that area, and
Speaker 6: so I think there's some old abandoned mines left in
Speaker 6: that area. But people down in the Stanley area, Sargo,
Speaker 6: West Louisville, just a bunch of people on the mostly
Speaker 6: on the west side of Weddinsboro. It was in the community.
Speaker 6: You would drive the school bus and you'd hear people, oh,
Speaker 6: well did you hear about the hermit? And no, man,
Speaker 6: what's new about the Hermit so and sold down in
Speaker 6: the Sandy saw it. They said that they were out
Speaker 6: slopping the hogs and this thing came up close to
Speaker 6: them and it was gone. And you know, then somebody
Speaker 6: else would say that they saw them, and everybody just
Speaker 6: had their ear open. You know, hermit. You know, as
Speaker 6: soon as you heard hermit, if you were on a
Speaker 6: school bus or something, oh, tell me about it, tell
Speaker 6: me your story. And so that's kind of how it went.
Speaker 6: But it kind of died off after a few years.
Speaker 6: Probably it wasn't too many years after my my sighting.
Speaker 6: It kind of died down, but there have been some
Speaker 6: activity in Wednesboro and it was even published in our
Speaker 6: local paper of people having sightings.
Speaker 3: Okay, by the way, thank you for saying slopping the hogs.
Speaker 3: I've never heard that phrase in my life. That's got
Speaker 3: a city guy, you know, I've never heard that that
Speaker 3: those words put together. That was pretty cool. Thank you.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've slapped dogs.
Speaker 7: You saw dogs in one county over from where Jack is,
Speaker 7: over in Union County, but other times in my life
Speaker 7: in North Georgia too. But yeah, slapping the hogs is
Speaker 7: a common farm nomenclature.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, I did not grow up on farms.
Speaker 3: But okay, so the hermit wasn't instilled in the community
Speaker 3: as you were born, and it's something that carried on.
Speaker 3: It's something that kind of surfaced for a few five
Speaker 3: or ten years and kind of went away.
Speaker 6: Right exactly, And it was kind of a penetrated more
Speaker 6: on the west side of Winsboro, and they the main
Speaker 6: area seemed like was the Barn Harbor Hill area, and
Speaker 6: that it would they people were trying to make a
Speaker 6: legend that this thing lived or roamed. More sightings were
Speaker 6: in that area, but it would roam off into like
Speaker 6: Sargo maybe five miles away, or West Louisville, ten Stanley
Speaker 6: maybe seven or eight. So that's it kind of stayed
Speaker 6: in these areas and that's where the sightings would be
Speaker 6: that they you know, people kind of just talked but
Speaker 6: kind of centralized it. And then over the years, I
Speaker 6: mean people in Henderson and uh oh, well, I think
Speaker 6: what sixty seven was that uh out there in the
Speaker 6: Bluff Creek. So I mean it was starting to gain
Speaker 6: momentum in my day right right in that time. I mean,
Speaker 6: Bigfoot is this uh myself, after I saw it, I
Speaker 6: thought this isn't a hermit. This is what they're calling
Speaker 6: the bigfoot. And I switched. I switched gears from hermit
Speaker 6: to sashquash bigfoot.
Speaker 5: Didn't you guys find like handprints on the on the
Speaker 5: truck like saliva?
Speaker 6: And uh, there were. It was on the truck itself.
Speaker 6: There was kind of like a kind of how if
Speaker 6: you had moisture and you just rubbed it, kind of
Speaker 6: a smear mark. Yeah, yeah, there was some smear marks
Speaker 6: on it.
Speaker 4: And about the teeth were the cats top and bottom?
Speaker 6: I think what I was picking up, I'm thinking pop
Speaker 6: in bottom?
Speaker 3: And how far how much further from the surrounding teeth
Speaker 3: did the canines protrude?
Speaker 6: Okay, how much longer?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How much longer were they than the flat teeth
Speaker 3: around them?
Speaker 6: I would say maybe an as much as an inch
Speaker 6: three quarters to an inch.
Speaker 4: Did you see the mouth color instead of the mouth or.
Speaker 6: Well, the lips a lot of it. Just looking at him,
Speaker 6: this thing looked more human than an animal right in
Speaker 6: the eyes and the nose. But then when you start
Speaker 6: looking up to the side of the head, Hey, it's
Speaker 6: got small Its ears were smaller, and it had the
Speaker 6: cone head and its shoulders were like three foot across,
Speaker 6: and from the I saw the side view, the side
Speaker 6: view of its chest was about two feet thick from
Speaker 6: the front of the chest to its back. But you
Speaker 6: have some hair in there too, So even at that
Speaker 6: you're looking at probably eighteen to twenty inches at least,
Speaker 6: may have even been pushing thirty inches. I mean, I
Speaker 6: estimated that at the time. Gas And because I had
Speaker 6: watched growing up small cattle hogs things like that. The
Speaker 6: weight even my dad's size, you know, I'm thinking this
Speaker 6: thing was seven hundred and fifty thousand pounds easily, maybe
Speaker 6: even more, muscles like you wouldn't believe. I didn't see
Speaker 6: any breasts on it either. I think it was a male.
Speaker 3: So it seems like a lot of this stuff was
Speaker 3: happening on the on the west side of Owensboro, like
Speaker 3: you're saying, right along the Ohio River. And I'm kind
Speaker 3: of looking at the maps right now, the satellite pictures
Speaker 3: of the area, and there are pockets of woods and whatnot.
Speaker 3: But looking back to that time and comparing it to now,
Speaker 3: was it significantly more forested at the time. Has there
Speaker 3: been a lot of tree clearing and stuff in the
Speaker 3: last you know, whatever fifty.
Speaker 6: Years, the theres have been some trees, but there were
Speaker 6: a lot of flat farm fields too. And actually where
Speaker 6: I was at, I was about a mile away from
Speaker 6: Panther Creek, so all that was wooded and I've as
Speaker 6: a kid growing up out there, I had shoot riding
Speaker 6: bicycles and with friends. I mean, we had years and
Speaker 6: years going through all the woods and there's a lot
Speaker 6: of wooded area in through that area.
Speaker 3: Now we're looking so southwest of Owensboro, and there's a
Speaker 3: big patch of trees down there. So that area has
Speaker 3: not significantly changed, or not dramatically changed, I should say,
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 7: For context, because this is where Emily's family's from, so
Speaker 7: we're up there quite often. And you know, ever since
Speaker 7: we when we first started dating and I was going
Speaker 7: up there, you know, I'd look into a lot of
Speaker 7: older reports from there throughout the early to mid twentieth
Speaker 7: century and then up really into like the nineties, and
Speaker 7: a lot of them reminded me they tend to be
Speaker 7: like lone male individuals, and they sort of reminded me,
Speaker 7: especially driving to a lot of those spots of the
Speaker 7: situation in and around Concho Concho, Oklahoma, where the Casino
Speaker 7: footage was taken. We have these kind of heavily forested
Speaker 7: creeks and then one major river system that leads to
Speaker 7: larger areas of forest because you know, you could follow
Speaker 7: the forested waterway of the Ohio to and from the
Speaker 7: Shaddie National Forest to the Hoosier National Forest and some
Speaker 7: of these other areas, and they tended to be in
Speaker 7: that same kind of context of almost like a transient
Speaker 7: male or something of that sort, just like a lone
Speaker 7: individual that's around for a little bit of time and
Speaker 7: then it moves on. And so we've seen similar cases
Speaker 7: in other parts of the country that via a satellite
Speaker 7: image or something, it doesn't look like the Pacific Northwest
Speaker 7: or southern Appalachia, but you get boots on the ground
Speaker 7: there and you're like, oh, yeah, you could sneak a
Speaker 7: platoon of people through here.
Speaker 6: The actor Rob Low I believe I'm saying his name right.
Speaker 6: Him and his sons were in the Olzark Mountains quite
Speaker 6: a few years back, and they claim that they had
Speaker 6: a fighting with it. And I've been in the Ozark Mountains,
Speaker 6: but I was probably fifteen sixteen years old. I saw
Speaker 6: Current River. I went to the Current River into the
Speaker 6: hot Springs and just quite a few areas into there,
Speaker 6: and it was like, man, that is some rugged terrain,
Speaker 6: you know if you want to hide, and that it's
Speaker 6: no different than over here. Not too far from where
Speaker 6: we're at, you have the Hoosier National Forest and it's
Speaker 6: almost from Owensboro to Louisville nothing but trees.
Speaker 7: And for a historical context to cliffand but but do
Speaker 7: you guys remember the Spotsville Monster and all those stories.
Speaker 3: That's very close.
Speaker 7: It's close in space and time exactly.
Speaker 6: I was the Spotsville Monster. That's the same thing, and
Speaker 6: that's probably no more than twenty five miles from where
Speaker 6: I lived. It makes me feel good to open up
Speaker 6: about it. After seeing one numerous times, and my brother
Speaker 6: saw it. We had a locust tree. I talked to
Speaker 6: my brother. He moved away quite some probably almost thirty
Speaker 6: five let's see here, it's been probably thirty five years ago,
Speaker 6: my Mike, my brother moved to Wilmington, North Carolina. But anyway,
Speaker 6: as we start getting into some of this, just a
Speaker 6: few years ago I brought it up and I said, Mike,
Speaker 6: did you ever have anything with a bigfoot or the
Speaker 6: Harmit about years ago. He said, well, yeah, he said,
Speaker 6: you better believe it. He said, he said, I walked
Speaker 6: right out there by the lake pond that we had,
Speaker 6: and he said, I thought it was my dad or
Speaker 6: my older brother trying to pull something over on me.
Speaker 6: And I said, well, what happened? He said it was
Speaker 6: when I got up close to it, he said, it
Speaker 6: wasn't a dad, it wasn't my brother. He said, this
Speaker 6: thing was huge. And he explained to me just what
Speaker 6: I saw. He said, yep, yep, that's and he said,
Speaker 6: I said, what did it do? He said, it just
Speaker 6: shoved that big old locust tree right over. And I said, Mike,
Speaker 6: because I was the one mowing the yard at the time,
Speaker 6: I said, I was wondering how that locust tree got
Speaker 6: shoved over like that and uprooted, and it was probably
Speaker 6: a locust tree. It was a good twelve inches in
Speaker 6: at in diameter. And I said, well, you kind of
Speaker 6: answered what I needed. Mike.
Speaker 4: You think it's the same one I.
Speaker 6: Think it was. And he took off run him and
Speaker 6: it was in the same time, same time period.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after these messages. Well, this one
Speaker 3: certainly seemed to like your property a lot. So I
Speaker 3: have a couple of questions about the property, if you
Speaker 3: don't mind. You just mentioned the pond. You mentioned it
Speaker 3: earlier in the conversation as well. We're there fish in
Speaker 3: the pond.
Speaker 6: There were fish in the pond, and matter of fact,
Speaker 6: the Kentucky Department of Fish and Game. Dad had it,
Speaker 6: he would have it stopped. They would come and put
Speaker 6: so many fish in each year to help keep it
Speaker 6: stopped up.
Speaker 3: Then did you and your brothers fish out of there? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yep, yep. We fished out of it. And it
Speaker 6: had a lot of pine trees when we moved out
Speaker 6: there in nineteen sixty four or sixty three, I guess
Speaker 6: it was. I was four years old. It was actually
Speaker 6: it was sixty one when we moved out there. Within
Speaker 6: the first year or two. At that time, the pond
Speaker 6: didn't have any trees on the land. It was just
Speaker 6: a seven acres and Dad he got these pine trees
Speaker 6: from the government and we start putting pine trees all
Speaker 6: out on it.
Speaker 4: How big is the pond?
Speaker 6: It was probably maybe a half an acre, just a
Speaker 6: small pond.
Speaker 3: And when you fished there. Did you clean the fish
Speaker 3: right on the edge of the pond.
Speaker 6: Uh sometimes yeah, we would, yeah, sometimes we would uh
Speaker 6: yeah that and there was a spillway, and sometimes in
Speaker 6: that spillway it had snapping turtles in it. Uh sometimes
Speaker 6: that you'd uh. Well, we had ducks out there on
Speaker 6: the place too, and uh sometimes the turtles would get
Speaker 6: the ducks or the geese and you'd find them dead
Speaker 6: out there. And we had chickens and uh, the peacocks
Speaker 6: all they made that loud honk sound. You could hear
Speaker 6: them a mile away or two miles away. I always
Speaker 6: kind of wondered if the birds. And he had rabbits
Speaker 6: and some cattle and horses and all this was on
Speaker 6: seven acres and all these different birds. I mean, there
Speaker 6: were thousands of birds. We had incubators and we would
Speaker 6: raise them and then he'd set them loose.
Speaker 3: The chickens and stuff or other kinds of birds as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know you said peacocks and ducks and chickens.
Speaker 6: Chickens, the ducks, cats, dogs just like a few cats,
Speaker 6: a few dogs, horses, cattle, and then there was a
Speaker 6: dairy farm right next to us, between the house and
Speaker 6: about a mile down the road was Panther Creek and
Speaker 6: all that was wooded. And the guy that had the
Speaker 6: dairy farm next to us, I remember walking through his
Speaker 6: fields and my gosh, it was like you'd start walking
Speaker 6: back from the flat ground and man, this is cool
Speaker 6: back here. It's like there's big war shouts like fifteen
Speaker 6: feet you know, eight to ten feet deep and real wide,
Speaker 6: and it was like this is a different world back
Speaker 6: and hear all of a sudden, and we had some
Speaker 6: spots in behind the house the same way. And then
Speaker 6: there were cornfields all up on each side of us.
Speaker 6: I mean, heavenly at that time of the year. One
Speaker 6: guy he had probably a thousand acres or better cornfields
Speaker 6: for miles and miles all around us, up front and
Speaker 6: back of us. If it wasn't to Bacca patches, it
Speaker 6: was cornfields, little ponds, wooded areas. So if you start
Speaker 6: walking into that area actually from and that's whay during
Speaker 6: the summer months, if you ever came down in this
Speaker 6: neck of the woods from actually from the Ohio River
Speaker 6: all the way over into the Sargo West Louis, all
Speaker 6: that area back at that time, there wasn't many houses
Speaker 6: out in the country, and everything was planted. Today's time,
Speaker 6: all these farm fields now are filled with housing. You know.
Speaker 6: It's the landscape has changed quite a bit that when
Speaker 6: I was growing up at that time, it was nothing
Speaker 6: but cornfields and wooded areas and things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Now it sounds like obviously the predominant crop was corn
Speaker 3: and a lot of tobacco mixed in there. But and
Speaker 3: you referred to your property as a farm at one point,
Speaker 3: and it was it an animal farm so to speak,
Speaker 3: beause you mentioned all the animals you had, or did
Speaker 3: you grow other kinds of crops that were perhaps different
Speaker 3: than the surrounding areas.
Speaker 6: We had a little bit of a garden, not.
Speaker 3: Much home vegetable garden sort of.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, just just not much at that time. Now
Speaker 6: as far as there was a feed around too, like
Speaker 6: the sweet feed and bird the bird feed, and I
Speaker 6: mean we had bags and bags of that out there,
Speaker 6: and there were a lot of the barn was full
Speaker 6: of hay and but yeah, there was a lot of
Speaker 6: different odors, especially with the dairy farm. Right next to torrees.
Speaker 6: We had fruit trees, yep, had fruit trees. We had
Speaker 6: apple trees, may have been a few peach trees.
Speaker 4: To you was it fenced in the orchard or was
Speaker 4: it just scattered trees.
Speaker 6: There was a fence around our property, just a small
Speaker 6: ball bar fence.
Speaker 3: Earlier, you mentioned this thing or what seemed like this
Speaker 3: thing at least messing with the bird cages. What kinds
Speaker 3: of birds were in those cages specifically those cages?
Speaker 6: Okay, the one cage that I saw it was it
Speaker 6: was quail, and they were they were already they were
Speaker 6: real soon to be let loose. I mean they were
Speaker 6: most all of them were pretty well grown by the time.
Speaker 6: When we would raise the quail as the incubator, then
Speaker 6: you'd take them into the barn and they would stay
Speaker 6: in the barn until they got up pretty large. We
Speaker 6: had the heat lamps inside. But when they got sizeable,
Speaker 6: then we had like an outside pen and it had
Speaker 6: a We just put some plywood I think up the
Speaker 6: top of it, maybe some plastic, and it kept the
Speaker 6: rain off of them. That they were pretty good sized
Speaker 6: birds by the time that they would go outside to
Speaker 6: the pen, and the pen was eight foot tall. It
Speaker 6: was four feet up off the ground. It was a
Speaker 6: four by four in the top area, and then it
Speaker 6: was sixteen feet long total. So it had three four
Speaker 6: by four posts on each side, and then it just
Speaker 6: two by four frame and then the real small like oh,
Speaker 6: i'd say three eighths of an inch square fencing for
Speaker 6: him to stand on, and maybe a small part of
Speaker 6: it going around the cage, and then just regular chicken
Speaker 6: ware top.
Speaker 4: So this thing crawled into the cave, It went into
Speaker 4: the cage and kill all the birds.
Speaker 6: I think it must have came up underneath of it somehow,
Speaker 6: I would almost I don't know if the birds were
Speaker 6: so freaked out that night on what had happened that
Speaker 6: they didn't ever roost down and that they just kept
Speaker 6: flying back and forth. I couldn't figure that part out,
Speaker 6: or the bigfoot sashquash came back that night and did
Speaker 6: some more damage to them and literally went up underneath
Speaker 6: of them, you know, possibly. I mean blood was everywhere
Speaker 6: off of these birds. I mean it was like, how
Speaker 6: did this happen? But when you see the birds, quail
Speaker 6: are very fast when they take off flying, and uh,
Speaker 6: that's when I was on that back porch and I
Speaker 6: hear all those the birds in the dark, just like
Speaker 6: if you're if you're very out hunting with the quail
Speaker 6: and they first take off it's like, I mean it's
Speaker 6: like an explosion. Yeah, I mean it's you just you
Speaker 6: hear all the you hear the uh their wings just
Speaker 6: fluttering and it's like wow, man, I mean they literally
Speaker 6: if you're ever at honey quail, I don't know if
Speaker 6: you guys haven't done any of that or not, but
Speaker 6: you've got your old bird dog and it was quil
Speaker 6: flow off in front of you. It's like they literally
Speaker 6: scare you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they start I mean without a dog. You know,
Speaker 4: I started them all the time, like also just boot
Speaker 4: like it's like the real real percussive the weather wings get.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you name that. You put the right words there, percussion.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I asked you Jack when you got the look
Speaker 5: at the squatch was how was like the hair like
Speaker 5: two tone or tritone colors or do you know it's
Speaker 5: longer in certain areas.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, I think it was longer in some areas.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I've had different uh uh uh links of hair.
Speaker 6: It was a coarse hair. It was with that moon
Speaker 6: shining down too. It was enough. I mean it appeared
Speaker 6: to be like wow, this thing is so super hairy.
Speaker 6: But then when you put the light on top of
Speaker 6: it and and you could see from the sunlight, you know,
Speaker 6: or the moon. It was like, wait a minute, yeah,
Speaker 6: there's a lot of hair here, but you can see
Speaker 6: up underneath that when you can see still see the perspiration.
Speaker 6: I remember seeing that perspiration on its arm so vivid.
Speaker 4: Was it groom did it look groomed at all?
Speaker 5: Or it just looked wild wooly that sleeping in the dirt.
Speaker 6: No, actually it appeared clean. It did not look dirty
Speaker 6: to me. I mean it, you know, for it smelt,
Speaker 6: but it did not look muddy and raggy, and that
Speaker 6: the thing appeared to be like it was clean. Maybe
Speaker 6: he had been in the river, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And also, since you mentioned the arm and you said
Speaker 3: you had a real good look at the hands, to
Speaker 3: give me a nice deep dive description of what the
Speaker 3: hands looks like, maybe like the fingers the if you's
Speaker 3: honey nails or whatever you remember.
Speaker 6: I saw the nails. They were long, they seemed to
Speaker 6: be round it. They were thick nails.
Speaker 3: When you say long, what do you mean, like, how
Speaker 3: much further past the tips of the fingers did they go?
Speaker 6: Oh they may have went. I would say maybe half
Speaker 6: of an inch or so, maybe three eighths of an inch.
Speaker 6: They weren't extremely long nails, but they were thick, and
Speaker 6: they were dark colored as well.
Speaker 3: Did it look like a human hand or were there
Speaker 3: different in anyway?
Speaker 6: It looked like a human hand or more of a
Speaker 6: gorilla hand. The shape of it was more human, the
Speaker 6: color was more like a gorilla. It was just it
Speaker 6: was a big hand.
Speaker 4: You got such a close look up for so long.
Speaker 4: I mean, all about the eyes. How about the eyes?
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were dark colored eyes. They were large eyes.
Speaker 6: They were very sunken, like a caveman's eyes would be.
Speaker 6: I didn't see any scarring on his face. The pupils
Speaker 6: themselves were larger than what like a regular human how expressions.
Speaker 6: He appeared serious, but he seemed calm too. And when
Speaker 6: we looked at each other, the when we caught each
Speaker 6: other and just looked, I think it knew that I
Speaker 6: was scared, like scared to death, and it just it
Speaker 6: sat there and was snipping, and he just kind of
Speaker 6: stares at me like, you can look and I won't
Speaker 6: be here long, man, and I'll be leaving you alone.
Speaker 6: Don't worry about me hurting you. And he kind of
Speaker 6: looked like peaceful, but he also gave this, uh, I
Speaker 6: don't know. It was like a stare look and a
Speaker 6: stare and snipping.
Speaker 4: That's just so crazy. That's that's just so shocking.
Speaker 6: I mean now when he opened this, yeah, when he
Speaker 6: opened his mouth. And I tell you what, guys, when
Speaker 6: this first happened, I mean, after I calmed down, I
Speaker 6: going on thirteen years old, I kicked it around and
Speaker 6: I thought, has anybody ever seen one of these? And
Speaker 6: I thought, I mean back then, there wasn't a way
Speaker 6: for me to do any research. There wasn't Internet, there
Speaker 6: wasn't I just and people I would tell would I
Speaker 6: pretty much after a while just gave up on it.
Speaker 6: I thought, nobody believes me. Very few people believe me.
Speaker 6: There were my sister did. There were a few close
Speaker 6: friends and they'd say, man, you just I dang, man,
Speaker 6: you went through something crazy back then. You know, we
Speaker 6: believe you, man, you know, and that'd be the end
Speaker 6: of it. But so many people, and most people that
Speaker 6: I talked to today, if I bring it up to
Speaker 6: different people, most of them they yeah, they very couldn't.
Speaker 6: This is what you did, so, you know, and what
Speaker 6: you went through very much to be true. And then
Speaker 6: there's a few out there that say, uh, no way,
Speaker 6: no way, and so I kind of learned it. You know,
Speaker 6: take my you know, madal smart brother ryot.
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds like you had one of the best
Speaker 3: close observations of a sasquatch that I've probably ever heard. So, Boba,
Speaker 3: you're one hundred and ten percent right. I love this.
Speaker 3: This is a fantastic witness and what a great treat
Speaker 3: it is to listen to his account.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you would listen to Jack. You know, you're hearing
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 3: And I love that there's a multiple encounter sort of
Speaker 3: thing going on for a same general time of year.
Speaker 3: It sounds like deep down that that teacher and me
Speaker 3: kind of appreciates and doesn't like at the same time
Speaker 3: that you're burning your school papers. But I'll forgive you
Speaker 3: to that because there's an amazing, an amazing story, and
Speaker 3: I just so pleased that you had that I had
Speaker 3: the opportunity to here, and then you can come on
Speaker 3: the podcast we can share with us.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I appreciate it. Jack, Well, very good.
Speaker 3: Jack. I hope, I hope I can meet in person
Speaker 3: at some point. I do a lot of jobs out
Speaker 3: in Kentucky in that general area, so if you ever
Speaker 3: see me speaking or something out there, definitely come by
Speaker 3: the table and say hello if you can.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, Jack, Well, thanks so much for joining us
Speaker 5: on Bigfoot and Beyond. We really appreciate another listeners and
Speaker 5: going to enjoy the heck out of this story. And yeah,
Speaker 5: it's one of the best close ups of all time.
Speaker 5: So thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 6: You're welcome. And if hey, if want me nights, we
Speaker 6: can go out doing some of that squashing. I'll try
Speaker 6: to make it with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, look you up next time we're out there. Jack,
Speaker 5: thanks so much. Sounds good and thanks for tuning in, folks.
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us on Bigfoot and Beyond. Clifton, Bobo
Speaker 5: and Math this time and Jack our guest, and until
Speaker 5: next week, y'all keep it squatchy.
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