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<v Speaker 1>You're listen Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles

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<v Speaker 1>show on demand on the iHeartRadio f CAFI Handle Here

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<v Speaker 1>on a very smoky and for the wrong reasons. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>very hot if you're in the fire area day, and

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<v Speaker 1>none of that particularly good news. As I've mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>this story, this fire story is southern California is not

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<v Speaker 1>only a huge story locally, of course it would be,

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<v Speaker 1>but nationally and internationally. Alex Stone, ABC News correspondent is

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<v Speaker 1>in Altadena and he's reporting both for US and ABC

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on. So Alex, thanks for taking the time there.

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<v Speaker 1>You are in the Altadena fire area. What are you seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you experiencing?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Bill, I'm on Sacramento Street right now, right off

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<v Speaker 3>of Lake Avenue, and there are numerous homes that are

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<v Speaker 3>burning around me here, and really they're burning on checks.

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<v Speaker 3>There is one engine from La County Fire that just

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<v Speaker 3>throw through the area, but there's nothing that they can do.

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<v Speaker 3>It is cars, It is homes burning on this street,

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<v Speaker 3>and it is street after street that really it was

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<v Speaker 3>the winds of about four to five am that where

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<v Speaker 3>we got a reading of one hundred miles an hour

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<v Speaker 3>on one of the peaks around here. But it was

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<v Speaker 3>so strong that when you would get out of your car,

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<v Speaker 3>your car door would actually snap all the way back,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was hard to just stand at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>There were embers flying everywhere, live embers rolling down the street,

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<v Speaker 3>and that has led to what we are seeing right

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<v Speaker 3>now that in this whole area is I'm looking from

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<v Speaker 3>block to block. I can only see that buildings are

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<v Speaker 3>on fire, that they have spread. On the one that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on right now, there's two or three cars that

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<v Speaker 3>are fully engulfed right now, along with a number of homes,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's silent. I'm the only one standing on this street.

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<v Speaker 3>There's nothing firefighters can do to battle this right now.

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<v Speaker 3>These homes are burning unchecked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Can you imagine being an owner of one of

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<v Speaker 1>those homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Either being able to watch the home burning.

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<v Speaker 1>Down up close, which I'm assuming is not the case

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<v Speaker 1>because he said the street is empty, or seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>home being burnt and watching a news report and there

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<v Speaker 1>are no firefighters and a fire truck goes right past

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<v Speaker 1>the house. I mean, that is something that we're not

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<v Speaker 1>used to do. They have authorities tell you just where

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<v Speaker 1>to stand. Alex, you're an empty street. Did they say

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<v Speaker 1>you got to stand over there or are you on

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<v Speaker 1>your own?

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<v Speaker 3>They're not here. We're we're on our own in here.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I'm saying is no hit to firefighters. They're

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<v Speaker 3>just out manned right now. There's nothing that one engine

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<v Speaker 3>is going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that are burning to the ground, but yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean this is really a situation of that. With all

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<v Speaker 3>three fires that are burning and the size of this

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<v Speaker 3>one and the size of one of the physical palissy,

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing that they can do. There are explosions going

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<v Speaker 3>off all over the place NonStop as these buildings are burning,

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<v Speaker 3>and propaane tanks and ammunition and other things are burning

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<v Speaker 3>inside of the homes. But what they have been doing

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<v Speaker 3>is I mean, really this is about life safety right now,

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<v Speaker 3>telling people to get out and just get out of

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<v Speaker 3>the area that the Sheriff's Department has been going through

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<v Speaker 3>on their loud speakers, just saying everybody out there are

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<v Speaker 3>some lookie loose around that have decided that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to film it rather than go. But the

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<v Speaker 3>Sheriff's bar has just been going up and down Lake

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<v Speaker 3>Avenue here on their loud speakers saying you must leave immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we're seeing a lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 3>packing up and getting out, not like Pacific Palisades yesterday

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<v Speaker 3>with the bumper to bumper trying to get out. The

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<v Speaker 3>streets here are a lot wider, so they're able to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. But the people, since you know, and I

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<v Speaker 3>came into the main area probably around three point thirty

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<v Speaker 3>this morning, people were in a long line trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get out with their packed up vehicles and bailing out

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<v Speaker 3>of the area.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm thinking, you know, how do the firefighters even

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<v Speaker 1>deal with this? Because you've got one home and let's

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<v Speaker 1>say they're fighting a fire and then they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do some kind of property preservation and then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, six doors away, a fire just ignites, because

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<v Speaker 1>an ember just ignites a palm tree or a piece

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<v Speaker 2>And are they trying to go back and forth?

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<v Speaker 1>Are they Do you see any fire equipment dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>any fires right now?

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to stop anything that it sparks up, But

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<v Speaker 3>some of these embers have been jumping, oh, probably half

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<v Speaker 3>a mile to a mile. There were areas this morning

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<v Speaker 3>when the wind was at its worst and there was

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<v Speaker 3>no way at that time, I would have been able

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to you on the phone outside without getting

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<v Speaker 3>into a car, whereas right now I'm standing outside and

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<v Speaker 3>there's really no wind, thank goodness. But when the embers

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<v Speaker 3>were really flying, you would think that you were pretty

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<v Speaker 3>far ahead of the front of the fire, the flaming front,

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<v Speaker 3>and then all of a sudden, embers would land and

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<v Speaker 3>you'd have fire all around you, and it was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of playing hopscotch of jumping ahead and getting out of

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<v Speaker 3>the area. And there were a few times I saw

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<v Speaker 3>firefighters race up and try to put out something before

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<v Speaker 3>it it burned a building. But they're you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>I say, I mean this really right now is about

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<v Speaker 3>trying to rescue people, to get them out, to convince

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<v Speaker 3>them to go. We know they've done a number of

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<v Speaker 3>rescues of elderly people overnight in the winds. It was

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<v Speaker 3>impossible when driving to see five feet in front of

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<v Speaker 3>your car, and on tight streets with fire everywhere, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's always hard at night time to know really where

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<v Speaker 3>the fire is because you can only see this glow.

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<v Speaker 3>So they were working on getting people out. Now as

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<v Speaker 3>I talk to you right now, it's like they're listening

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<v Speaker 3>to KFI. There's a strike team pulling up to this

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhood with a number of fire engines. They're pulling up

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<v Speaker 3>to one of the high prints as well. It looks

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<v Speaker 3>like they may try to battle back some of these

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<v Speaker 3>flames that are burning these homes. I mean, these homes

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<v Speaker 3>are really going up right now. And well now it

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<v Speaker 3>looks like maybe not that there's not a lot they

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<v Speaker 3>can do, and they're gonna driven, but they're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>keeping an eye on it to know where the flames

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<v Speaker 3>are to try to stop them from progressing now that

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<v Speaker 3>the wind has died down, But for these homes, there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing that they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see any aircraft dealing with the fire yet?

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<v Speaker 1>Daytime winds are down, they should be up.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Bill, I was clearing hopefully you couldn't hear that

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<v Speaker 3>clearing an emergency alert that was going off on my phone.

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<v Speaker 1>No, well you have that, Okay, let me restated. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that the winds have died down and it's light, we

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<v Speaker 1>have daybreak. Do you see any air assets up that

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I haven't heard any air assets. I haven't seen

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<v Speaker 3>any air assets. I'm guessing the wind probably at altitude

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<v Speaker 3>is still pretty strong. The problem they were having last

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<v Speaker 3>night is they hit the ground. Even the helicopters that

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<v Speaker 3>were able to fly in pretty strong winds yesterday, not

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<v Speaker 3>only because of the safety of the helicopters, but the

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<v Speaker 3>drops weren't doing any good. When they would drop water,

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<v Speaker 3>it would just fly off at a ninety degree angle

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<v Speaker 3>and wasn't hitting the ground. What is It's so dry

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<v Speaker 3>that evaporates very quickly, but two in the wind, it

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<v Speaker 3>just makes a right hand turn and goes off into

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<v Speaker 3>the air and doesn't do any good. Did they Hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>the wind stays like it is right now and if

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<v Speaker 3>they if it's this way up a little bit at altitude,

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<v Speaker 3>that they'll be able there to try to get aircraft

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<v Speaker 3>back up at least the helicopters to begin. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>they could just dump on some of these homes and

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<v Speaker 3>it would put out a lot of this fire to

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<v Speaker 3>just prevent it from continuing to move down. Altadena, Alex,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we're going to get back to you as

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<v Speaker 1>you're reporting on this fire over the next I assume

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<v Speaker 1>you've been up all night and you probably not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get any sleep for.

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<v Speaker 3>A while, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Enjoy yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess all right, Michael Monks kfi's Michael Monks is

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<v Speaker 1>at the Westwood Recreational Center.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have that right, Michael?

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<v Speaker 3>You do? Bill.

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<v Speaker 4>This is one of these centers that's been set up

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<v Speaker 4>for people who have evacuated from the fire in the Palisades.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can tell you that just right here in

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<v Speaker 4>this small piece of the world, the sky above is

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<v Speaker 4>quite a group. You got a significant contrast. There's blue

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<v Speaker 4>skies to my right, beautiful California sky, and then to

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<v Speaker 4>my left it's dark, gray, cloudy, smoky. The wind is blowing.

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<v Speaker 4>It feels ominous, It almost feels funereal.

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<v Speaker 3>Here.

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<v Speaker 4>There is certainly a ghastly pallor that's hanging over people

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<v Speaker 4>here as they wonder what may be left of their

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<v Speaker 4>homes or what's still left to come in the Palisades.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can tell you this feels a lot different

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<v Speaker 4>than the evacuation center I visited not that long ago

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<v Speaker 4>when Malibu was burning, where people did show up for

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<v Speaker 4>a little while, but there was a lot of optimism

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<v Speaker 4>that this is going to pass and we'll be going

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<v Speaker 4>back home. This one definitely has more of a sense

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<v Speaker 4>of dread.

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<v Speaker 2>And concern how many people are there.

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<v Speaker 4>I could not get a specific account from the fire

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<v Speaker 4>department that's here operating this shelter, but there are dozens.

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<v Speaker 4>And there are folks who are sleeping. So they have

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<v Speaker 4>a gym here, and that gym is currently closed unless

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<v Speaker 4>you're going in there to sleep. So they've got all

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<v Speaker 4>the cots set up, and there are definitely people sleeping

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<v Speaker 4>in there. A lot of cars are here, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>also seeing a lot of seniors, a lot of folks

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<v Speaker 4>using walkers, using wheelchairs. There are a lot of pet

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<v Speaker 4>owners here, so people are with their pets. So people

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<v Speaker 4>are with their pets, they're walking their dogs. And I

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<v Speaker 4>did speak to a guy who was here. He came

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<v Speaker 4>down from the palisades. He was waiting it out at first,

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<v Speaker 4>he said, until about four o'clock yesterday afternoon. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>the you know, the lapping of the flames that pushed

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<v Speaker 4>him out. It was simply the air quality. When he thought,

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<v Speaker 4>I've got to get going, Plus the traffic that was

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<v Speaker 4>starting to build on the roads. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 4>live there, you can see it building. He said, I'd

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<v Speaker 4>better get in that line right now before he gets worse,

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<v Speaker 4>and said he made it out just before that clog

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<v Speaker 4>from all the cars that had to be left behind.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's not sure what's going on in his neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we know the firefighters are there doing

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<v Speaker 4>their best, but it's it's difficult to get a full account.

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<v Speaker 4>Now that the sun is coming up and hopefully the

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<v Speaker 4>winds die down, maybe we'll get better visuals of what's

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm assuming a lot of those people have absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>And I know it's kind of rough throwing a microphone

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<v Speaker 4>Right, people have been a little hesitant to talk formally

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<v Speaker 4>to me, but they are talking to me in background basically,

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<v Speaker 4>So Hopefully I'll find some people who can. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I did just see a family walk

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<v Speaker 4>the looming uncertainty of what's happening in your neighborhood. But

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<v Speaker 4>one of the gentlemen that I spoke to, says another

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<v Speaker 4>they don't have a mobile phone, and it doesn't think

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<v Speaker 4>that they were able to get out. So it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, when we think of all the technology that

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<v Speaker 4>then you're left with that worry. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>questions here in Westwood for these folks at the evacuation

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<v Speaker 4>center as they wait for word, and we've got all

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<v Speaker 4>you don't know until you know for sure. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I think everybody just wants to know. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of setting the the center up, do they

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<v Speaker 1>does it feel very temporary that they're up and out

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<v Speaker 1>of there next day or two.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, this is a rec center, so it's a

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<v Speaker 4>solid structure, and they just bring in the cots. They

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<v Speaker 4>bring in some seating, and they do bring in some

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<v Speaker 4>food for people to get when they need it. I

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<v Speaker 4>did notice a sign that says, please don't bring donations here,

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<v Speaker 4>so take your donations. If people are soliciting that, make

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<v Speaker 4>sure you're finding reputable donation sites to drop off. It's

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<v Speaker 4>not the evacuation centers that want any of that. So

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<v Speaker 4>they are bringing in what they need and not anything

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<v Speaker 4>beyond that. But I can tell you the cots are

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<v Speaker 4>being used. I'm seeing a lot of people, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>for word for what might be next. I'll also note

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<v Speaker 4>that you know this is not an area that's been

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<v Speaker 4>hit by the fire, but it was certainly hit by

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<v Speaker 4>the winds. And I've been here since early this morning,

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<v Speaker 4>and crews from the Parks and Recreation Department were already

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<v Speaker 4>on site picking up massive branches and pieces of trees

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<v Speaker 4>that had blown over. It was kind of a mess here.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, beyond the fire damage, those winds have

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<v Speaker 4>I have definitely hurt some other things.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know we've got multiple fires burning, but

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<v Speaker 4>when I left downtown LA this morning, it felt.

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<v Speaker 2>As though the fire were there.

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<v Speaker 4>You could smell it so thickly, and the cars and

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<v Speaker 4>my parking lot were covered in dirt and slot and

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<v Speaker 4>all that. It looked like in a dark covering on

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<v Speaker 4>the wind shield. This is burning in very specific places, obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>but it seems like all of us in the area

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<v Speaker 4>are literally physically feeling it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the same time, why don't you ask Amy

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<v Speaker 1>how comfortable she is sitting in her news booth and

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<v Speaker 1>just listening to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have had one more day in there with you, Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>you could have That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately she's feeling a little bit better. Hey, is the

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<v Speaker 1>Red Cross involved at all? Michael, resist this.

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<v Speaker 4>Is a city fire is here with this wind, but

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<v Speaker 4>the Red Cross is typically involved in a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>these as well, So whether this is something that will

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<v Speaker 4>be handed over to another agency at some point, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not exactly sure. That the public information officer from the

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<v Speaker 4>fire department had arrived about the same time I did

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<v Speaker 4>and was looking to gather some of the information that

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<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping to relay to you at some point, like

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<v Speaker 4>how many people there are, what the operations look.

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<v Speaker 2>Like right now.

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<v Speaker 4>You've got a lot of people hanging out in their

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<v Speaker 4>cars too, so they're here at the evacuation center, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>if they need access to a bathroom or if they

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<v Speaker 4>want to spread out and lie down on one of

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<v Speaker 4>those CODs, but a lot of people are here in

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<v Speaker 4>this parking lot hanging out, and it is just it's windy,

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<v Speaker 4>the wind is cold, and the sky, like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>is just it's so ominous, and you have such contrasts

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<v Speaker 4>with the sun glowing in one side, the blue skies

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<v Speaker 4>on the other side, and then just in the middle

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<v Speaker 4>here it's just dark.

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<v Speaker 2>What an aberrational time, Michael.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're going to be reporting most of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll probably talk again, and if not this segment

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<v Speaker 1>or the next two, certainly on Gary and Shannon, Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>take care of yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, as Michael Leavesy talked about how the pallor

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<v Speaker 1>of the smoke, just watching a report on k t

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<v Speaker 1>LA and one of the reporters and they're they're wearing.

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<v Speaker 2>Ski goggles and face masks.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The the mask was this dark, dingy gray.

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<v Speaker 2>His hands you could see we're dirty.

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<v Speaker 1>And the mic flag, you know where it says like

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<v Speaker 1>our KFI mic flag at the end of a microphone

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<v Speaker 1>that was starting to get gray and spotty just from

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<v Speaker 2>It's insane. And who's up next?

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<v Speaker 1>I know we're changing and we're bringing in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>various people.

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<v Speaker 2>This is quote fluid this morning. Who's up next?

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<v Speaker 5>Cool thing is Bill Ann has really busted her hump

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<v Speaker 5>to make sure you have a list in front of you,

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<v Speaker 5>and well I have to your dear friend is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, Chuck Lovers is coming. Oh okay, yeah, oh you

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<v Speaker 2>know did I print that? Oh yeah, that's on the printer.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought maybe you might talk to Gary Hoffin briefly

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<v Speaker 5>about you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, we can do that. Yeah, we can do that. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we got a lot fair enough. Thank you for con no,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for straightening that out. Hey, this is why

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<v Speaker 2>I get paid the big bucks for doing this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Oh, Gary and Shannon, you know follow this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Gary.

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to Gary this morning because people have

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<v Speaker 1>been up there or we've been here all night. I

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to Gary talk about driving in this morning

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<v Speaker 1>and what he saw, and just as a precursor, Gary

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<v Speaker 1>lives if I'm not if I'm right up in the

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Clarita Valley which is north well north of Burbank,

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<v Speaker 1>And so Gary, if you could repeat, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth repeating what you saw this morning and how

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<v Speaker 6>So I got the alert actually that I was in

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<v Speaker 6>an evacuation zone, which I wasn't, And I got three

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<v Speaker 6>of them to say that I was in an evacuation

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<v Speaker 6>zone and I wasn't in any of those three.

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<v Speaker 2>But it did get me awake.

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<v Speaker 6>So I got things ready because the the fire in Silmar,

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<v Speaker 6>the Hearst fire, is the closest one to us, and

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<v Speaker 6>there are some evacuation zones near us. So what I

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<v Speaker 6>did was I got up, got the basic you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Get out of there.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I kissed my wife on the forehead and

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<v Speaker 6>the New Hall Pass, I mean basically I got out

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<v Speaker 6>the fire in Silmar cresting the top of that ridge.

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<v Speaker 6>And then as I come down the New Hall Pass,

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<v Speaker 6>you can see the glow on the opposite side of

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<v Speaker 6>the hill. And as you've come farther down the freeway,

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<v Speaker 6>it just the orange flames, active flames just explode to

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<v Speaker 5>They're just all over the side of that hill.

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<v Speaker 2>And you drive through Silmar to get to Bourbank.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, right down I five there was another fire actually

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<v Speaker 6>right close to where the five and the one seventy

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<v Speaker 6>split on the northbound side. As I was driving down,

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<v Speaker 6>it was a little vegetation. They put it out, no problem,

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<v Speaker 6>but the road five northbound had been closed first when

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<v Speaker 6>I drove by it it was actually closed down. That

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<v Speaker 6>would I mean, that was hours ago by this time,

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<v Speaker 6>but it still was just indicative of the kind of problems.

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<v Speaker 6>And then as I got farther down sort of North

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<v Speaker 6>Hollywood area, I could see the fire, the eating fire

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<v Speaker 6>over an Altadena, which was crazy because I did not

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<v Speaker 6>expect to see that. I did not expect it to

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<v Speaker 6>be visible from this side from the San Fernando Valley,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was clearly visible. And then this morning, I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I know that Neil set you a picture of what

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<v Speaker 6>in Burbank and the just incredible black cloud of smoke

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Gary, thank you as always, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>Gary start, Gary and Shannon start at nine o'clock and

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be covering of all aspects of the fire.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got a little ways until Gary shows up. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Lovers is with a Chuck, let me do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I am going to take an early break come back

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<v Speaker 1>so we have a full segment that I can talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about. Chuck having been with La County Fire

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty some odd years. Also, there are some headlines

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<v Speaker 1>going on that we have ignored.

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<v Speaker 2>There are other things going on in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably the lead story the girl Scouts have dropped two

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you knew that, but that's big,

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<v Speaker 2>big news, and Neil is scrambling to find out exactly

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<v Speaker 2>which two.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck Lovers is a friend of mine and was with

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<v Speaker 1>La County Fire and had been for over thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>And Chuck and I have spent hours talking about firefighting

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<v Speaker 1>and his experience. And as this fire broke out and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw La County firefighters there at the forefront, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>just my visualization is of you standing there with your

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<v Speaker 1>crew fighting the fire. I also visualize you standing in

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<v Speaker 1>the shower naked, but that's for another show at another time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Chuck, as your look at.

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<v Speaker 1>This, the first question I thought was, you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do other than get the hell out of

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<v Speaker 1>the way when something like this happens.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, of course you have to protect yourself, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's very disheartening when the fires are that big. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we do you work, and you never seem to gain anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's that's probably the hardest part, trying to get

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<v Speaker 3>a foothold somewhere and make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>When there is a fire like this where you have

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<v Speaker 1>the gusts of wind blowing in one direction and then

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<v Speaker 1>three minutes later switching and going the other direction. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you ever stage firefighters at various points just in case

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<v Speaker 1>the fire goes that way because it has or do

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<v Speaker 1>you just go for the fire itself, the one the

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<v Speaker 1>house that's ignited, and then you try to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the other one and you're bouncing back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>What goes through the planning and the thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well you plan for wind reversals because that's what

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<v Speaker 3>gets you, that's what hurts people. So you're always you're

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<v Speaker 3>always looking behind you, always always watching the smoke, because

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<v Speaker 3>of the smoke gives you a tell tale that something is changing.

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<v Speaker 3>But you do the best you can. And when a

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<v Speaker 3>house is beyond what you can do, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of the house that isn't burning it, You got

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<v Speaker 3>to protect that one. Does that make sense? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>It does. So you can't do anything more.

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<v Speaker 1>And the house is basically gone, even though maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>only ten or twenty percent engulfed, and you know that

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<v Speaker 1>it's gone, you write it off.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right correct? And we have to try to

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<v Speaker 3>protect the exposures, to try to contain the fire as

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<v Speaker 3>much as as you can, try to stop its growth.

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<v Speaker 1>Who makes that decision saying Okay, you're off of this house.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty much everybody does that. You know, when you're on

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<v Speaker 3>a house and just you and your unit, you do

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<v Speaker 3>the best you can and if that one is lost

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<v Speaker 3>and you protect you know, you're protecting the exposures to

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<v Speaker 3>start with, along with fighting the fire. But at some

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<v Speaker 3>point you have to concentrate just on the exposures because

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<v Speaker 3>you can't, you know, the fire has grown too big

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<v Speaker 3>for your unit.

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<v Speaker 1>But when you when the wind is blowing so hard

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<v Speaker 1>as it has been, and of course that gives a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of fuel to the fire. I mean, obviously it

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<v Speaker 1>needs a lot of oxygen and wind gives lots to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and aircraft can't get up the air assets.

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<v Speaker 2>How big a deficit is that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean how much do you rely on those airplanes

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<v Speaker 1>and helicopters a great deal?

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<v Speaker 3>And over the years, the aircraft, the technology has increased.

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<v Speaker 3>They can fly in the higher winds than when I

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<v Speaker 3>first started, so they they're a big asset. They can

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<v Speaker 3>they can drop a lot of water in an area

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<v Speaker 3>and calm it down, so you can actually go in

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<v Speaker 3>as a hand unit and do something.

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<v Speaker 1>So do I know that the aircraft actually reports on

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on on the ground, things that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>see direction of a fire things a couple of miles

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<v Speaker 1>away that's moving in your direction. Do the aircraft report

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<v Speaker 1>directly to you the battalion chief who gets that information?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, well, directly talk with the helicopter pilots when they're

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<v Speaker 3>working with you. But normally Helco controls the environment up there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a helicopter with a battalion cheap or somebody, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's directing the traffic and telling the helicopters where they're

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<v Speaker 3>best needed. And they keep this. They separate the airspace

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<v Speaker 3>between the helicopters and the and the fixed airway. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>they have different patterns that they have to fly, and

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<v Speaker 3>so they keep them set as much as they can

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<v Speaker 3>for safety reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, do they I missed that part about who

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<v Speaker 2>they talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're on the line, you're you have a fire

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<v Speaker 1>truck and you're a unit that's there.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the aircraft talk directly to you on the fire line?

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<v Speaker 3>If I'm working directly with a helicopter, yes, But normally,

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<v Speaker 3>if if the helicopter is just flying up there, they're

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<v Speaker 3>they're controlled by Helco. It's an air traffic controller for

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<v Speaker 3>the helicopters and he's up in the air with them,

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<v Speaker 3>so again and then he's and he's keeping them separate

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<v Speaker 3>from the fixed air wings because there's another air traffic

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<v Speaker 3>control for the fixed air.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many are typically and I know you can't

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<v Speaker 1>say specifically, but on a fire of this magnitude, if

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<v Speaker 1>the aircraft could go up, which I'm assuming they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to this morning, what are you looking at?

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<v Speaker 2>Numbers and kinds of aircraft.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what the numbers are, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I understand that the Super Scoopers which we contract with,

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<v Speaker 3>they were up yesterday and hopefully they'll be up today

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<v Speaker 3>because their turnaround time is very quick.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I did see some some fixed wing with foz check

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<v Speaker 3>on the TV last night. Uh, and they'll come out

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<v Speaker 3>of like fox Field, which you know it's a ways

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<v Speaker 3>a way. But the helicopters I have, I really don't

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<v Speaker 3>know how many helicopters we have now, but we've transitioned

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<v Speaker 3>to more Blackhawks, or we call them firehawks. They're very

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<v Speaker 3>big and very stable in the winds.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So, Chuck, I just saw one last one and

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<v Speaker 1>this is just between us chickens. When I ask you

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<v Speaker 1>how many up there, you cannot answer. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to make something up because you sound you

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<v Speaker 1>have to sound like you know what you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I did it. Uh, But you know we have

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<v Speaker 3>we have La City and we have U and Ventura

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<v Speaker 3>has helicopters. Uh and Orange County has now contracts for helicopters.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a lot of helicopters that have wasn't it

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<v Speaker 3>didn't go angering?

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<v Speaker 2>And who is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Someone has to be the lead agency that actually moves

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<v Speaker 1>everybody around.

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<v Speaker 3>Who is that actually? The state? Oh? Yes, okay, they

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<v Speaker 3>controlled how equipment is ALLOCID when it comes from outside

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<v Speaker 3>of an area.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that helps a lot. Chuck, thanks always, great stuff

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<v Speaker 2>on this. Thanks for taking the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Bill, and take care of yourself you too.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we are in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck knows more about this stuff than anybody you will

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<v Speaker 1>ever hear. Thirty years he was doing this and ran

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<v Speaker 1>cruise and you just you could spend hours with Chuck

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about all of this. There's a world to

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<v Speaker 1>firefighting and the technology as he describes what's happened through

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<v Speaker 1>the years. All Right, this is KFI a M six

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to The Bill Handle Show.

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