WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:11.640 Hey, everybody, welcome to Game Mess Mornings with your host me, 2 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:13.960 Jeff Grob. I messed up this intro because I got 3 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.320 rid of all the ad stuff in here. I'm your 4 00:00:16.359 --> 00:00:18.920 host from Giantbob dot com, though that's still true. Thank 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:20.679 you for tuning in. In this episode, we're going to 6 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:23.440 be talking about reviewing RPGs and how that should come 7 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:26.160 with Hazard pay, and I think Squreenix might be doing 8 00:00:26.199 --> 00:00:28.679 something with that chrono trigger. It's gonna be a good 9 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:31.120 one because we have Jesse Vittelli on the show. Jesse, 10 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:32.039 how are you doing. 11 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.960 I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. Yeah, good Wednesday. 12 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.119 Good Wednesday. You did have that review go up. We'll 13 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:42.520 talk about that here in a little bit. But we 14 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:44.399 also talked a little bit before we get started about 15 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:48.719 a Game of the Year catch up, Like where are 16 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:51.119 you at with that? Really? Because I'm at a point 17 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:53.359 where it's like, oh God, I'm I'm giving up on 18 00:00:53.439 --> 00:00:56.039 some ideas of finishing some of these games. 19 00:00:56.880 --> 00:00:58.479 I feel okay because I feel like I played a 20 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.200 good cadence of games this year of previous years where 21 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.399 it feels like I'm my entire year is catch up. 22 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:06.319 But there are definitely games that are going to slip 23 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.560 out of my ability to play the games in the 24 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.599 next like two weeks, promise. Mascot Agency is still like 25 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:13.280 top of my list, Like that is probably the next 26 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.519 thing I'm gunning for, but I'm like halfway through Dispatch. 27 00:01:16.599 --> 00:01:18.760 I haven't finished that yet. There's just like so many 28 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.519 smaller projects that I would have loved to have time for, 29 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.280 but just not how that works sometimes. 30 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:28.879 Yep, yeah, same, the one that is like kind of 31 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:30.719 like sticking in my craw a little bit that I 32 00:01:30.760 --> 00:01:32.799 don't know will do me, Like it won't pay any 33 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.560 dividends if I actually do go back to it with 34 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:36.840 Like this crowd that I'm gonna be doing doing Game 35 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.760 of the Year with is the new Mafia game. I 36 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:42.519 kind of want to finish that. I was having a 37 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:44.439 good time with it, and it doesn't seem like it's 38 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:48.560 too long. Yeah, I bet I would end up quite 39 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:50.319 liking that game. I don't know, maybe not enough to 40 00:01:50.319 --> 00:01:54.000 get my top ten, but there's a chance. I don't know. 41 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:56.400 But there's so many other games I need to finish. 42 00:01:56.400 --> 00:01:58.840 Expedition thirty three, that's number one. I got to finish 43 00:01:58.879 --> 00:02:00.719 that and then I could start maybe doing some of 44 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:01.400 this other stuff. 45 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.560 We'll see Mafia short enough, you could get through it. 46 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.159 I think I'd beat that game in like eight hours. 47 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:07.400 Yeah, And I'm like, I'm a good two hours into 48 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.960 that game already, so I could probably make a dent 49 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.520 in there. All right, you know there's a lot to 50 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.319 talk about. Let's go ahead and get started and explain ourselves. 51 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:18.759 We're Giant Bomb Video Game Defaces. We're here on the 52 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.360 Internet without the backing of any sort of corporation. 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Hello YouTube. 85 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:56.120 All right, we have a lot to get into, so 86 00:03:56.199 --> 00:04:00.840 let's start the morning mess with Octopath Travelers zero reviews. 87 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.919 It has an eighty three on Open Critic, and we 88 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.039 have some reviews here. I'll read a couple of these 89 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.280 real quick. Afore our star review from Alan Win at 90 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.960 games Radar Plus, who says it's commendable that something like 91 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:17.879 Octopath Traveler zero exists. Steve Watts at GameSpot gave it 92 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.040 an eight out of ten. Has said a stellar combat 93 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.519 system and multitude of strategic wrinkles are the glue that 94 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:28.560 holds this well told, if disjointed, episodic story together, and 95 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:32.040 then the six axises. Dominic Layton gave it an eight 96 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:35.720 out of ten, said Octopath Zero maintains the series's gorgeous 97 00:04:35.720 --> 00:04:39.600 pixel art esthetic, while it's adapted and evolved take on 98 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.920 Champions of the Continent's gameplay ensures that it feels like 99 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.839 a worthy console release. Just so you played this, right, 100 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:52.079 I did? So? What was what was that like reviewing 101 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:55.839 a big ol' RPG? It's what, what like twenty thirty hours? Yeah? 102 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:57.839 Yeah? It just like multiply that by five and you're good. 103 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:02.439 I think. So I have seen like the true ending, 104 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:05.279 I have done all the side quests, I have recruited everybody, 105 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:08.040 and I think my hour account's like roughly one hundred 106 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:11.279 and thirteen hours, give or take. Some of that's idle time. 107 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:13.279 I definitely like fell asleep while playing once or twice, 108 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:14.920 so you know, sure, of course within like a ten 109 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:19.240 hour thing. But that game is really good. It's definitely 110 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:23.920 uneven pacing wise. It's if you've played previous Octopath games, 111 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.199 you kind of know like you're jumping around different stories 112 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:28.160 a lot between the eight characters. This game's a little 113 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.560 more focused because you have a like a created main 114 00:05:30.639 --> 00:05:33.639 character that you then recruit people sort of Sweeken in style. 115 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:35.360 You've got a lot of party members you can deal with, 116 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:38.000 and the story is not necessarily focused on the characters 117 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.439 as much as it is like just the story that 118 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:43.240 they have like like put in front of you, and 119 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.079 it has branching pads, like you know, you'll go and 120 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:47.079 there's three chapters that you'll do, and then they'll converge 121 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.439 into one linear section and then they'll dive divulge again 122 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:53.920 into multiple chapters. And I think the sections of the 123 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.079 three chapters are a little weaker just because they're shorter. 124 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.879 They don't really give enough run time to really do 125 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.800 justice to the villains that they're trying to set up. 126 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:04.879 But when that game gives you a long stretch like 127 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.519 an eight nine chapter section, I think it's some of 128 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:11.680 the best stuff that game does, but it's long, like 129 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:13.480 you're in it for the long haul. And I do 130 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:15.839 think the best parts of the game are at the end. 131 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.680 The last twenty hours or so is I think when 132 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.120 that story really thrives. But how do you go to 133 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:24.040 somebody in the beginning of December and go you got 134 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.639 to play like fifty hours before you really get into 135 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.160 the meat of what this thing is trying to do. 136 00:06:28.199 --> 00:06:31.439 I don't think that's like a fair thing to say 137 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:32.199 to somebody. 138 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.360 I mean, there's gonna be the sickos out there that 139 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:36.600 want to hear exactly that, but they know who they 140 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:38.800 are and they already know they're getting this game right. 141 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:42.439 Like when you're going to recommend this to someone who's unsure, Yeah, 142 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:45.959 that's a difficult thing to even explain, let alone get 143 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.319 them excited about the prospect. Let's like hit some of 144 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:51.199 the other aspects of it, like maybe there are some 145 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:55.160 winning factors here. Does the combat like hold up over 146 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:57.879 this entire run time or where you still as engaged 147 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:00.879 with the mechanics ninety one hundred hours in. 148 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.519 It has some of my favorite things that RPG combat 149 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:07.079 can do, which is like it's gonna be easy at first, 150 00:07:07.160 --> 00:07:09.920 there's gonna be some sort of difficulty spike later, and 151 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:12.000 then you're gonna kind of break the system wide open 152 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.560 once you've spent enough time with it, you've accrued enough 153 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.199 job points and you're able to sort of the way 154 00:07:17.240 --> 00:07:19.600 the system works is you sort of level up each character, 155 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:21.399 you gain abilities, and then you can spend points on 156 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.879 those abilities to give them to other characters, so you 157 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:25.560 can sort of mix and match a bunch of different 158 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.959 abilities and passives and all these things, so you can 159 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:32.480 really sort of create your own build, if you will, 160 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:34.639 for all your different characters, and you can give them 161 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.160 more options in combat, like, oh, this character is not 162 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:38.879 a spell caster, but I'll give them some spells so 163 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.920 they have more variety. And then there's some passives that 164 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:44.879 are like twenty five percent chance to take an extra turn. 165 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:47.480 And when you get into that stuff, then you start 166 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:50.800 really starting to build into these like game breaking situations. 167 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.120 Because the big thing about Octopath zero is it's not 168 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.519 just four people on the field, it's eight, So you 169 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:57.959 have like a front row and back row that you're 170 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:00.560 switching between to be able to take. Oh, this character 171 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:02.279 is not good at this fight, so let me like 172 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:06.040 swap them to the back. He'll regenerate HP and MANNA 173 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.560 or sp whatever, and then this other character can do something, 174 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.000 And so there's a lot of flexibility. I did find 175 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:15.439 it kind of easy early on, sure, and then it 176 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.600 has like a difficulty spike in the middle, and then 177 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.560 once I figured the system out, it kind of got 178 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.120 easy again. I think it's easier than the previous games, 179 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.199 but I also think that's just because you have more 180 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.839 tools to work with, and so it was I was 181 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.759 engaged the whole time, Like there are definitely fights that 182 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:31.480 ask you to lock in, but I never felt it 183 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.279 was unfair, except for maybe the last fight of the 184 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:38.200 game that's like a different scenario altogether. But I definitely 185 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.320 felt that the combat was probably like the shining point 186 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.000 of this game. It was the thing that I was 187 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.039 you can tell a games combat as good as when 188 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:49.360 you hit as many random encounters as you do and 189 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.519 you still do them. You don't just run away from them. 190 00:08:51.639 --> 00:08:52.919 You don't get like bored, You're like, I don't I 191 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:54.720 don't want to do this anymore like I was. I 192 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:56.919 was fighting every encounter I hit because I was just 193 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.720 having a good time messing around with different ideas and 194 00:08:59.799 --> 00:09:02.559 you know, tinkering. It's a game for the spreadsheets that goos. 195 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:04.519 If you're somebody who loves to put everything into a 196 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:06.679 spreadsheet and tinker, a great game for you. 197 00:09:07.919 --> 00:09:11.759 How do you feel about like Square Enix's sort of 198 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:14.960 the state of their RPGs, the state of HD two D. 199 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.840 Do you think this game is an indication that they 200 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:20.159 are kind of in a good place with the HD 201 00:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.559 two D games and you expect more and better going 202 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:24.440 forward from them, or or what. 203 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:28.240 I I'm somebody who likes HD two D a lot. 204 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:30.360 I know it's starting to like wear on some people. 205 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:32.080 They're like, oh another a lot too. 206 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:32.679 Yeah. 207 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.320 Yeah, I think between this and Dragon Quest, I think 208 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.159 they've like really hit their stride. I do think with 209 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.960 this game, because I don't want to like make assumptions here, 210 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.159 but it does feel like some of the assets were 211 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:45.480 never meant to be blown up to you know, four 212 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:48.120 K resolution to fourteen forty P because some of them 213 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:49.639 do look a little blurry, because this is like a 214 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:53.320 reimagining of the mobile game. So I think this game 215 00:09:53.399 --> 00:09:55.919 like looks visually looks a little worse than like an 216 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.320 Octopath two or a Dragon Quest one and two HD 217 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.480 two D like it fit somewhere in the middle there. 218 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.080 But I think more importantly, it's a really interesting sign 219 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.519 that Square decided to take one of their mobile properties 220 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:10.879 and make it into a full fledged console release, which 221 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:12.440 means like, are we gonna look at are they gonna 222 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:15.120 start looking at their other catalog of other mobile games 223 00:10:15.159 --> 00:10:18.960 like a near reincarnation, a Final Fantasy, Brave X Vaist, 224 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:22.759 I don't know, and turn those into full console releases 225 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:26.159 with like added dialogue and the town building stuff of 226 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.960 Octopad zero, which is really interesting. That's what I'm interested 227 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.559 in knowing is is what does this mean for their 228 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.440 mobile catalog going forward, games that were never really made 229 00:10:34.440 --> 00:10:37.879 available to people that refuse to play a mobile game. 230 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:40.320 You know, Yeah, I think at the very least, you're right, 231 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.559 it's a sign that Square Enix sees that they leave 232 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.039 money on the table when they take a franchise and 233 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:48.840 just put it out as a new mobile game. Maybe 234 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.159 the strategy going forward will be like, Okay, let's build 235 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:52.639 these games in such a way that's like, hey, if 236 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:55.080 it pops off on mobile. It makes all the money 237 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.840 in the world great if it does. Okay, though, let's 238 00:10:57.879 --> 00:10:59.679 make sure we're ready to take those assets in that 239 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:02.639 world can quickly apply it to the where that where 240 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.559 that audience is on the consoles and on PC. Let's 241 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.360 go bring it to where that those people are. So 242 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.279 I'd say, Okay, they're being mindful of that. I think 243 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:14.399 that's pretty smart. I don't know. I'm interested to see. 244 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:16.799 I hope HD two D just continues and they keep 245 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.159 refining it and coming up with new ways of expressing 246 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.679 that idea, because I think they've it's improved in terms 247 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:25.039 of visuals over time, and I think that all the 248 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:28.000 different kinds of RPG systems they've applied to that have 249 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:32.480 also been mostly very interesting or at least fun to 250 00:11:32.480 --> 00:11:37.320 play around with. Well, I guess the next question would 251 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:40.120 before we move on then, is do you think we 252 00:11:40.159 --> 00:11:43.240 get like a final Fantasy, like a new Final Fantasy 253 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.159 in HD two D style of any sort. Obviously wouldn't 254 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:50.480 be Final Fantasy seventeen or whatever it would be. Could 255 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:51.960 you see them being like, you know what, this is 256 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.840 a good way for us to keep Vinyl Fantasy in 257 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.799 people's minds and keep them happy and kind of play 258 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.120 to the Sikos in some ways, or does that always 259 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.000 have to be like the biggest, most expensive looking franchise. 260 00:12:05.080 --> 00:12:07.240 I don't know. I feel like especially with something like 261 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:09.120 Final Fantasy seven right where they've kind of spun it 262 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.200 off into like here's like a Battle Royale game, Here's 263 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:13.480 like the Ever Crisis, like the mobile game. I could 264 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.759 definitely see a spin off somewhere down the line than 265 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:17.879 wanting to use the HG two D style like they 266 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.759 obviously did the the Pixel Remasters whatever a couple of 267 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.759 years ago. But I don't see why they wouldn't at 268 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.600 least want to experiment with HG two D for Final Fantasy, 269 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.120 especially because there's such a large older audience that is 270 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:34.200 like we we missed the pixel, we mix missed the 271 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.600 pixel art, we miss all of this, Like, let's we'd 272 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:40.360 love to have a game like that. I miss I 273 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:45.159 missed the pixel. I miss uh that movie Pixels with I. 274 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:48.600 Don't in that movie was Adam Sandler's work. 275 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.919 Yeah, I wanted to say Adam Sandler, but I was like, 276 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.919 it feels like an Adam Sandler movie. But yeah, I 277 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:56.639 don't know. Final Fantasy is an interesting one. I don't think, 278 00:12:56.840 --> 00:12:59.080 like you said, seventeen wouldn't be pixel remastered in a 279 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:02.600 way or HDTWD, but I could see a smaller side 280 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:06.120 project or like a spin off them just trying something out. Absolutely, 281 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.559 why not. You got it, You got all the assets 282 00:13:08.559 --> 00:13:08.799 for it. 283 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.080 Like you know, the games seem to be like when 284 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.279 they do make HD two D games, they get attention 285 00:13:14.360 --> 00:13:16.759 and they seem to sell. So yeah, it's got to 286 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.519 be a little bit more affordable to produce a game 287 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:23.240 like that, I would hope. So we'll see. Okay, the 288 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:26.679 other reviews are in for Metroy Prime four Beyond. This 289 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:29.120 popped off yesterday, but you know, we talked a little 290 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.120 bit about it on the BombCast, settling in on open 291 00:13:32.159 --> 00:13:36.279 critic at least at an eighty two so far. Logan 292 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.639 Plant at IGN said Battery Prime four Beyond is an excellent, 293 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.519 if relatively uneven revival that reaches heights worthy of a 294 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:46.399 Metro name in its best moments. Three out of five 295 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.320 from Alex Donaldson at Eurogamer, Metroy Prime four Beyond is 296 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.679 enjoyable enough and has glimpses of vintage Metroid shining through. 297 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:55.120 This game could and should have been so much more. 298 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.679 Eight out of ten from Steve Watts at GameSpot High 299 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:02.240 highs and middling low make Metro Prime Force Return uneven. 300 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.320 It's like a lot of a lot of people hitting 301 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:05.840 this idea of like, hey, when it's when it's the 302 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:08.919 metro game I was hoping for, it's awesome and kind 303 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.320 of better than any Metro game before it. When it's 304 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:17.960 doing anything else, it is maybe often mid I'm like, 305 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:19.960 I need to see this game for myself, Jesse. That's 306 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:21.879 where I continue to be. We've been talking about it 307 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:23.759 for forever, and in the last couple of days, especially 308 00:14:23.799 --> 00:14:25.960 now as the reviews have come out, been kind of 309 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:27.679 talking to them blue in the face with people who 310 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:29.559 either have been playing it or with people who've been 311 00:14:29.559 --> 00:14:31.879 reading these reviews, and it's like, well, what don't what 312 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.600 people what don't people like about this game? And it's 313 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:35.759 I don't even think people there's not much they don't 314 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:37.879 like about it. There's just some things about it that 315 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:40.879 are missing, Like there's no negative reviews on Metacritic or 316 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:44.519 Open Critic. It's all like, at worst mixed. But you know, 317 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.559 this is a series that traditionally has had over nineties 318 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:51.639 on these aggregation websites, so I don't know. How are 319 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:53.320 you feeling about it all? Have you been talking to 320 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.200 anyone who's been playing it, or you still planning to 321 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.360 play it the first moment it drops, I don't know, 322 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:58.960 how do you feel about it? Yeah? 323 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:00.480 So I got to play a lit little bit of 324 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.480 it back at that preview a couple of weeks ago 325 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.120 where we played the forest level Fairy Green, and I 326 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:07.480 walked away like pretty stoked on it, Like sure, there's 327 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:09.639 a lot of talk about the companion Miles McKenzie, like, 328 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:11.759 it always felt to me like they were gonna just 329 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:13.799 kind of chip him off and put him somewhere and 330 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.559 be like, Okay, that was for this section. You'll get 331 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:17.080 a new guy for the next section. And that's what 332 00:15:17.120 --> 00:15:20.399 it sounds like. I don't know. I think the biggest 333 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:22.120 thing for me of the things that I've heard about 334 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:26.960 this game is that it's very like linear. I guess 335 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:29.039 I'm afraid to use that word here, but it is like, 336 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:31.039 you're gonna go to Buyom, You're gonna do the narrative stuff, 337 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:32.639 You're gonna go back to the desert, you're gonna go 338 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:34.399 to the next People are describing it as like a 339 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:38.080 three D Zelda, right, Yes, to me, that's not something 340 00:15:38.080 --> 00:15:40.600 that interests me. I don't I'm gonna say something controversial here. 341 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.240 I don't love older three D Zelda games. Not really 342 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.159 my jam. So to me, it's like, oh, the things 343 00:15:46.159 --> 00:15:48.120 I like about Metroid are not here, and that's fine. 344 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.120 This is a different game. It's trying to do something different, 345 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.039 not for me, moving on, but I'm a little bummed. 346 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.120 I think it has the unfortunate pressure of being in development, 347 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:00.759 even though it's been rebooted multiple times, you know, changed hands. 348 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:02.519 But we've known about this game for like eight years 349 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:04.399 at this point, and everyone is kind of in their 350 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:06.279 head made up their minds about what this game was 351 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.919 going to be or what this game should be. And 352 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:11.200 now we have a finished product and people can actually 353 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:13.840 like wrestle with their thoughts on what this thing is. 354 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:16.559 And some people are walking away like it's not really 355 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:17.759 what I wanted it to be. It's not what I 356 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:19.600 maybe built it up to be. It's not a lot 357 00:16:19.600 --> 00:16:23.080 of these things. But what's here is fine. There are 358 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:24.399 parts of it I like, but there are parts that 359 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.639 I don't. And it's like, I don't think this game 360 00:16:26.679 --> 00:16:28.200 was ever going to go any other way. If we're 361 00:16:28.200 --> 00:16:31.080 being honest, I feel like it had the unfortunate problem 362 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:33.039 of having to deal with years and years and years 363 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:33.919 of expectations. 364 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:36.919 Yeah, and the years of like a baggage of like 365 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.279 previous developers work and stuff, and they probably were taken 366 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.399 as much of that as they possibly could. It seemed 367 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:45.759 like that was a little bit of an albatross here. Yeah, 368 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:47.840 that does seem to be the main One of the 369 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:52.240 main contentions is it is not this necessarily super interconnected 370 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.279 world where it's like, here is the the you know, 371 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.480 the lava biome overlapping with the ice biome in some way. 372 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.559 It is like you go to this lava biome and 373 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.559 it's almost like a Zelda dungeon, and then once you're 374 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.640 in there, that's very There's a metroid world to explore, 375 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.799 and it has the elements of a Metroid vein of 376 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.640 the metro venue that you would expect, but it is 377 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.759 it still feels maybe closer to an operative time than 378 00:17:15.799 --> 00:17:17.839 to a Metroid prime and it's like, oh yeah, if 379 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.200 you were expecting one, I could see that that disappointment 380 00:17:20.200 --> 00:17:23.039 coming through. It's like, is it good at what it's doing. 381 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.880 I will be curious to see that because I think 382 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:27.680 We're still in a point where a lot of these 383 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.200 criticisms that are coming through are coming from that place 384 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:34.279 that you're talking about eight years of thinking about what 385 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.440 this game could be and trying to match that up 386 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:39.200 with what it actually is, and if it doesn't fit exactly, 387 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.079 that it doesn't just like disappoint it kind of hurts like, 388 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.480 oh my, you know, the game in my imagination isn't real, 389 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:47.279 and now I have to like sort of mourn that 390 00:17:47.319 --> 00:17:50.039 a little bit. And it's like, Okay, well, I think 391 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:51.279 we might be able to get on the other side 392 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.640 of this and be like, well, what did they make 393 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.559 and is that good? And it sounds like, for the 394 00:17:55.599 --> 00:17:57.720 most part, the answer to that is actually yes, because 395 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:00.559 again these reviews mostly positive. Yeah. 396 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:03.279 And that's the thing, right is you always have that 397 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.119 first wave. You always have the reviewers, and then the 398 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:06.759 people who have like kind of played a little bit 399 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:08.319 of it and have be able to talk about it, 400 00:18:08.519 --> 00:18:09.880 and then you know, give it a couple of weeks 401 00:18:09.880 --> 00:18:12.160