WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:18.280 With Welcome to the Fallen State. I am jesse Lee Peterson. 2 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.359 Thank you all for being with me. You can support 3 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.000 the fall and State by becoming a member right there 4 00:00:24.000 --> 00:00:28.600 on the YouTube channel or and locals dot com. I 5 00:00:28.640 --> 00:00:32.280 appreciate it. And don't forget to check out pie Cheese Coffee. 6 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:36.560 I have my own coffee. That's amazing. Go to Jessee 7 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.920 Peterson dot shop. So I have with me Jay Dyer. 8 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:48.960 He is a YouTuber, comedian, writer, author and TV presenter. Uh, 9 00:00:49.960 --> 00:00:53.600 welcome to the show. Than here, you sound very important. 10 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.719 I don't know about that. What do you mean? What 11 00:00:57.359 --> 00:01:00.200 maybe I am important? Or do I sound important. 12 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:06.680 All these YouTuber comedian, writer, author and TV present. 13 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:07.640 Yes, that's important. 14 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.280 Okay, thank you, welcome to the show. 15 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:10.680 Thank you. 16 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:14.640 So let me just ask what's important to you? 17 00:01:18.400 --> 00:01:21.560 Well, number one, I'm Orthodox Christians, so that's probably the 18 00:01:21.640 --> 00:01:27.439 most important thing Orthodox Christianity. Following that, following christ Number two, 19 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:31.840 my wife, my job, what I do doing all this 20 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:36.480 YouTube stuff, writing for Sam Hyde, do the Alex Jones Show. 21 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:38.959 Have been hosting Ox Jones for six years. So those 22 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:41.120 things are important. And then kind of, you know, trying 23 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:44.400 to get good messages out to the culture. Against feminism, 24 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:46.560 against leftism, all that kind of stuff. 25 00:01:46.599 --> 00:01:47.840 So that's what's important to me. 26 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.879 Right on, and I read that you were in an 27 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:54.439 Arthur dop and I want to talk about your book 28 00:01:54.480 --> 00:02:02.280 as well. Sure, Arthur Dox christian right, and even though 29 00:02:02.719 --> 00:02:07.680 I'm learning more about it that I've known beforehand, but 30 00:02:07.840 --> 00:02:10.120 explained to us, what is that exactly? 31 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.599 So basically, we believe that it's the ancient form of 32 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:19.400 Christianity that is in league with in concert with what 33 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.080 the Church taught for the first thousand years of Christianity. 34 00:02:22.120 --> 00:02:25.000 So if you read the Church Fathers after the Apostles 35 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.560 or the first, second and third century, whether it's Irenaeus 36 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.280 or Cyprian or Ignacious or Clement, they all teach the 37 00:02:31.319 --> 00:02:33.560 same thing that we teach, and they're the successors to 38 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:38.759 the Apostles. So Orthodox Christianity is really maintaining that tradition. 39 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:41.159 But we're noticeably different from. 40 00:02:41.199 --> 00:02:44.719 Roman Catholicism because we don't have a pope and we 41 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:46.759 are not Protestant because we do believe in a lot 42 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:48.879 of things that Protestants don't believe in, like the real 43 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.159 presence of Christ and the Eucharist. We have Apostolic succession, 44 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.400 we have world traditions. So all of those things kind 45 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:57.960 of set us apart from both Protestant churches and the 46 00:02:58.039 --> 00:02:58.960 Roman Catholic Church. 47 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:03.360 It seems to be like a Catholic church in ways. 48 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:04.080 In ways, and. 49 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.639 Why do you guys look like a Catholic church in ways? 50 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.360 Well, if you go back to the early Church, the first, second, 51 00:03:13.400 --> 00:03:15.960 and third century, when the apostles went out and they 52 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.719 set up churches. When Paul went on his missionary journeys 53 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:23.479 and set up churches, we believe that he established worship 54 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:26.960 services for the church that are not directly written in scripture. 55 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:28.479 So there's a tradition of what's called. 56 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:31.400 Liturgical worship, which is the type of worship that you 57 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:32.719 would see in the Old Testament. 58 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:34.560 With David writing psalms. 59 00:03:34.599 --> 00:03:36.960 Those psalms that David wrote were meant to be sung 60 00:03:37.039 --> 00:03:40.719 and played in the temple liturgy or after Ezra in 61 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.000 the synagogue system services that Ezra set up. So we 62 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.360 think that the apostles, not just Paul, but Peter who 63 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.479 went to Rome or Mark who went to Alexandria, that 64 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.080 they also crafted for the church liturgies. And when you read, 65 00:03:55.159 --> 00:03:57.840 say justin Martyr in one point fifty he describes the 66 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:01.879 worship service of the church in fifty AD or Hereinas 67 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.400 and one eighty a d. Those are early church bishops 68 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.719 and saints and martyrs. They describe the worship service like 69 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.280 we do in the Orthodox Church. So a lot of 70 00:04:09.319 --> 00:04:12.080 those things are elements that are continued out of the 71 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:16.279 ancient Hebrew tradition of the temple and the synagogue worship. 72 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:18.879 So you have things like vestiments, you have things like 73 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.720 an altar. You have things that would be familiar to 74 00:04:22.920 --> 00:04:25.639 people familiar with the temple and synagogue worship, but also 75 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:30.120 new elements that Christ established when he came that make 76 00:04:30.199 --> 00:04:34.199 it uniquely Christian. So the Lord's Supper, things like that, 77 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:37.360 Baptism as part of the initiation, right, like, all of 78 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.680 those things are uniquely also part of the Orthodox Church. 79 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.040 But they have elements that I think. 80 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.120 Are best understood not as pagan Roman accretions or something 81 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.600 like that, but things coming out of the ancient Hebrew tradition. 82 00:04:51.839 --> 00:04:53.839 So we have vestiments and traditions things like that. 83 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.319 I do the Orthodox Chory get along with the Cathoter 84 00:04:57.680 --> 00:04:58.399 Do they Lightwarner? 85 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.360 Not really, No, they don't like you to. Now we 86 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:03.000 split about a thousand years ago and why. 87 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.639 Well, in the eleventh century, the papacy at that time, 88 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.199 the pope in the Middle Ages early Middle Ages, he 89 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:14.199 decided in eleven hundreds that he would be the greatest bishop, 90 00:05:14.240 --> 00:05:17.399 the head bishop of all the bishops. Yeah, and so 91 00:05:17.439 --> 00:05:20.000 that's called the Gregorian Reforms of the eleventh century. Under 92 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:24.120 Pope Gregory and then after him, successive Catholic popes, Roman 93 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:28.639 Catholic popes made more and more grandiose claims about the 94 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:31.560 Church of the West and his church, that he would 95 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:35.360 control the whole global church. But he also in thirteen 96 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:40.839 eighty two, under a Pope Urban, he claimed that you 97 00:05:40.920 --> 00:05:44.199 had to also believe that the pope was a temporal 98 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:47.519 king as well as the spiritual head of the church. 99 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.759 And this is a document called Unum Sanctum, and in 100 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.040 that document he says, if you do not believe that 101 00:05:53.160 --> 00:05:55.519 the pope is also an earthly. 102 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:58.000 Worldly king, you can't be saved. 103 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.439 And so these were kind of like gradually moving the 104 00:06:00.519 --> 00:06:02.639 Orthodox and the papal church apart. 105 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:03.759 So that's why. 106 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.879 We haven't got along other things too, like certain theological issues. 107 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:07.839 But those are the main issues. 108 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:12.920 I read that the Catholic Church came about because they 109 00:06:12.959 --> 00:06:16.959 wanted to deceive the people and control them a personal gain, 110 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:20.079 and that's why they came about and then created this 111 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:20.759 pope guy. 112 00:06:22.839 --> 00:06:23.439 Is that true? 113 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:27.319 Well, I mean, so the word Catholic just means the 114 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.040 universal Church or the fullness of truth. Right, So we 115 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:34.199 call ourselves as Orthodox. We believe we are the Orthodox 116 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:39.879 Catholic Church. So we're the right believing Catholic Church. And 117 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.879 so the word Catholic itself sometimes is associated with us, 118 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.800 but also sometimes associated with the pope. So if you mean, 119 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:49.959 did the papacy or did the pope by the Middle 120 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:54.560 Ages begin to be this deceptive entity, we would say yes, 121 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.160 But we don't think in the first thousand years that 122 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:58.160 the pope was. 123 00:06:58.120 --> 00:06:58.920 Evil per se. 124 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:01.600 They were good and bishops throughout the first thousand years 125 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.279 of Christianity. So many of those popes are saints in 126 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:05.160 the Orthodox Church. 127 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.639 Why did the pope establish the church when God said, 128 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:13.120 let no man teach you? And so they've got this 129 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.959 pope guy, and that's all they do is chief people 130 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.079 instead of pointing them back to the teacher. 131 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.839 Well, I think when Jesus says, call no man on 132 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:28.680 our father, let nobody be your teacher, that's not that's 133 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.120 he's using rhetorical devices of teaching, like cut off your 134 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:33.839 hand if it makes you sin, right, you don't literally 135 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:35.959 cut your hand off, right, So Jesus. I don't think 136 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.040 Jesus is saying no one teaches you because Paul says 137 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.519 to Timothy, I'm your father in the faith. I have 138 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.600 taught you, Timothy. So it's not an exclusive statement. It's 139 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:47.360 a rhetorical teaching device. But I do think you're right 140 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:51.160 that there can be situations where humans try to arrogate 141 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:52.560 themselves above the word of God. 142 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:53.000 For sure. 143 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:56.920 For sure, I noticed that the Catholic I mean the 144 00:07:57.160 --> 00:08:00.879 Orthodox Church, why they seem to be dark and impressing. 145 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:05.600 Well, if you go to Orthodox Church, that depends on 146 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:08.000 the when and what time. You know. 147 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:11.079 One reason that they're dark is that the church comes 148 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:12.399 out of the Middle Ages when they. 149 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:13.240 Didn't have electricity. 150 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.680 So there's a lot of monastic cathedrals that still don't have. 151 00:08:16.680 --> 00:08:19.800 Lights, so they have candles that light the church. 152 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:22.439 That might be one reason, whether if you mean literally 153 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.199 darker or was just saying or you saying like spiritually. 154 00:08:24.800 --> 00:08:29.160 Darker, Uh, literally dark, yeah, I mean depressing light. 155 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.679 I mean if you go to Orthodox liturgy, it's very 156 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:35.279 warm it's very inviting. 157 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:36.320 Uh. 158 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.120 Most people describe it as a very uh warm experience. 159 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.080 So uh, for example, at Easter or Pasca, we have 160 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:49.960 a service where it's dark and then at night you 161 00:08:50.039 --> 00:08:52.480 light it up so it gets really light with the 162 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:53.360 candles and everything. 163 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:54.720 So it really just depends on when and what. 164 00:08:54.679 --> 00:08:57.320 Time, and what's a prop of to habit services in 165 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:57.879 the dark. 166 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.720 Well, for example, ble at Pasca, it's a it's a 167 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:06.200 situation where it's dark before the resurrection, so we believe 168 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:09.600 the Christ is resurrected and then everything lights up, so 169 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.159 it's before the world's in darkness, just a symbol of 170 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.000 the world being in darkness and then it lights up 171 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:17.039 super bright when there's the resurrection. 172 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:22.200 Why and why and when did you become an Orthodox? 173 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.759 What made you decide instead of being a normal Christian? 174 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.120 What made you becoming Oh. 175 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:30.840 Well, this is what we think. This is normal. 176 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:32.720 If you go the first thousand years Christianity, this is 177 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.679 what's normal. So there were no Protestants back then, so 178 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:36.559 this is normal. 179 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:37.639 That is Christianity. 180 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:38.919 So have you always been an author? 181 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:39.559 Dox no No. 182 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:44.759 To answer your question, I think I became Orthodox twenty seventeen, 183 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.720 So I was raised Baptist. 184 00:09:48.039 --> 00:09:50.200 My family's Baptist, and. 185 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.320 You finished from your south, You're finished coming from your south. Right, 186 00:09:54.600 --> 00:09:56.840 you grew up in Tennessee, right, Yeah, you have to 187 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.320 be a Baptist down there. 188 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:03.759 Or a cares right, right, So yeah, Osra's Baptist. 189 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.440 And then I started reading the Church Fathers and reading 190 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:10.159 Church history and studying how the Bible came together when 191 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.399 I was in my twenties, and I put a lot 192 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:14.679 of time into that, and I became Roman Catholic in 193 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:17.919 two thousand and three. So I was Catholic for ten years, 194 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:21.000 maybe nine years somewhere around that. Uh, And then I 195 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:23.879 started thinking. I started realizing that there's something wrong with 196 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.200 like what the Catholic Church taught after Vatican two in 197 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:31.000 the sixties versus what they've taught before it. Because for example, 198 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:33.840 you have, you know, the Middle Ages, the pope would 199 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:37.320 call crusades against the Muslims, but then after the nineteen 200 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:40.559 sixties they're going and praying in the mosque with Muslims. 201 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:43.519 So those things can't be true the same, Like. 202 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.200 How are you going to call a crusade and any 203 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:46.159 how you're going to go pray with them? 204 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:46.279 Right? 205 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.039 It doesn't make any sense praying in the mosques. 206 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:53.120 So I was just looking for what I thought would 207 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:57.440 be the most authentic version of Christianity that was the 208 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.519 Christianity the first thousand years, and so I just eventually 209 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:01.720 found my way to Orthodoxy. 210 00:11:01.759 --> 00:11:04.799 So that's since twenty seventeen. Were your parents disappointed? 211 00:11:06.000 --> 00:11:08.840 No, I mean my mom has always been supportive of 212 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.799 my religious studies and journey, so she wasn't critical of 213 00:11:12.840 --> 00:11:13.200 it at all. 214 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:15.440 My dad's not good health, but he didn't. 215 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:22.480 Care, Okay, And so how did it help you personally. 216 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.600 To become an Orthodox? How were you help by that? 217 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.279 I think that the Orthodox Church, since I believe is 218 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:31.919 the true Church, I think that it has the grace 219 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:34.080 and the power that I. 220 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:35.960 Was looking for in a lot of these other groups 221 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:37.679 to actually change you. 222 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:41.279 So I've seen in my life since being Orthodox almost 223 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.440 almost ten years, maybe nine years now, a lot of 224 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:46.759 hopefully improvement. I mean, there's a lot of areas I've 225 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.039 still got to work on, but I've seen a lot 226 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.399 of passions, a lot of them. You talk about emotions 227 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.279 a lot, I've seen a lot of that being overcome. 228 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:56.240 We stress in the Orthodox Church that you need to 229 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:59.720 be dispassionate, meaning not ruled by your emotions and your 230 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:04.039 pass That's a big part of Orthodox spirituality. So hopefully 231 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.840 I've seen a lot of that improvement. I mean, I'll 232 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:10.080 still fall into getting angry at times. 233 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:14.919 But you do sometimes at times. But let me ask, 234 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.799 do you cry over Mother Mary on Friday nights? 235 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.559 I don't cry over her, but we believe. 236 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:34.279 But you got you cry over Mary on Friday nights? Right, No, 237 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.840 that doesn't happen. No, oh, y'all cry over Jesus dying 238 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:43.000 on Friday nights. 239 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:48.120 I mean, there's there in an Easter service. During the week, 240 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:52.320 there are certain services building up to Easter where you 241 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:54.960 do fast and we do like the canon of Saint Andrew, 242 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:59.440 which is repentance, and you can and perhaps should cry. 243 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.519 Over your sin and those situations. But we don't cry 244 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:04.240 over Mary, you know. But you cry over Jesus. Yeah, 245 00:13:06.039 --> 00:13:07.120 I mean at a certain time. 246 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.120 But then you have to rejoice when you celebrate the resurrection. 247 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:12.399 So there's In other words. 248 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.480 We kind of represent every year the life of Christ. 249 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:17.720 Oh you do. 250 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:19.919 So that's what the what we call the liturgy, that's 251 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:23.679 the yearly cycle of the services, and it's really just 252 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.960 to represent the Gospel every year so you kind of 253 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.919 live through his life, death and resurrection every year. 254 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:34.200 Every year you relive it. And so do you cry 255 00:13:34.279 --> 00:13:35.000 over Jesus? 256 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:36.240 Uh? 257 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:38.679 I mean there might be times when you're crying over 258 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:42.159 repentance and you could re you know, you could be 259 00:13:42.240 --> 00:13:45.480 moved to cry over you know, a sermon or something 260 00:13:45.960 --> 00:13:49.039 about the death of Christ. But I mean we celebrate. 261 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:52.279 Let me put this way, we celebrate the resurrection more 262 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.320 than we are crying in mourning, if that's what you're asking. 263 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:00.919 Right, But just from my understanding, we so you do 264 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:02.679 you have cried over Jesus' death? 265 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.559 Right? I'm sure at some point what were you crying about? 266 00:14:06.600 --> 00:14:07.879 Why cry over that? 267 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:13.120 I would say, depending on what time in my life 268 00:14:13.159 --> 00:14:15.039 you're asking about. I mean, it would probably be just 269 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.960 related to the fact that our sins are what resulted 270 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:24.399 in Christ willingly going to die on the cross, So 271 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.320 it would be a reflection of some form of repentance. 272 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:27.639 I think. 273 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:32.240 Oh, I see, I'm black and slow, so just take 274 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:32.759 me a little bit. 275 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:34.480 I'm bipop too. 276 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.120 I identify as black, so that way I get away 277 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:37.960 with a lot more. 278 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:40.639 I'm on my own bipop time. 279 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:42.200 You identify as black. 280 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.039 Right, But I'm also I wasn't late. I was on time, 281 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:47.440 but right, because when I show up is when is 282 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:47.799 on time? 283 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:54.720 Right, That's what the purpose of crying over Jesus. We're 284 00:14:54.759 --> 00:15:00.559 sufficient when Jesus is not dead, because why I keep 285 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:01.320 going through that. 286 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.879 Well again, i'd be like saying, well, why would you 287 00:15:05.919 --> 00:15:10.519 read the gospel of his birth when he's in heaven. Now, 288 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:16.000 It's because the whole message of the Bible always has 289 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:20.399 an eternal meaning and significance. So that's why every year 290 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:25.360 the Orthodox Church represents the entire life and death and 291 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:28.600 resurrection of Christ, because it's an eternal thing that you 292 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.000 keep learning from. There's always something to learn from. 293 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.279 But he didn't want us to die over his death. 294 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.399 He wanted us to rejoice. Why I mean, he didn't 295 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:39.799 want us to cry over his death. He wanted us 296 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:44.919 to rejoice. And so I don't understand the crying. But 297 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:50.200 all he's alive. He's very much alive. And the death 298 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:54.000 war for who wipe away all out of sin? What 299 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.240 is to crying about? 300 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:01.039 Well, we have to always continue to repent it. That's 301 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:03.399 not something that just happens once you got to live 302 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:03.840 your life. 303 00:16:03.960 --> 00:16:07.159 Paul says, I have to keep buffeting my body. I 304 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:08.320 must run the course. 305 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:11.600 So even Paul says, like, we still have to keep 306 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:13.440 doing these things. It's not like you just did this 307 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:15.000 one time in the past and then you'll ever have 308 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.840 to do it again. So we're always repenting. We're always 309 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:21.120 asking for forgiveness. If you look at David Salms, David 310 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.960 is constantly asking for forgiveness. 311 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:25.399 And so you're going to be crying every year for 312 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:26.360 the regular life. 313 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:28.559 Yeah, but we're also celebrating every year to the rest 314 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:29.879 of our life. Oh so it's both. 315 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:36.399 That's amazing. Do y'all make up the tears? So you 316 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:39.279 think about Jesus, did I gave it? 317 00:16:39.440 --> 00:16:42.399 Leave it? I mean, it would be fake if you're 318 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:42.600 doing that. 319 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:44.559 I mean, we think we're not doing it to show 320 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:45.679 everybody else I'm crying. 321 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.080 So you really feel sad about Jesus under Cross. 322 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.320 Well, if I have a hardened heart or if I'm 323 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.840 in a worldly mindset, I might not be moved at all. 324 00:16:57.399 --> 00:16:59.960 So I think the idea is that we want to 325 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:03.519 be as close to Christ as we can, and if 326 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:06.920 you're moved, then you would do that. But if you're 327 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:08.640 not moved, you're not going to like fake it be 328 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:09.240 an actor or so. 329 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.799 What made you cry thinking about his death? Is this 330 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:16.440 thinking about his death that makes you cry, or or 331 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.920 preaching about his death or the music or is this 332 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:20.720 the whole thing? 333 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:22.039 Again? 334 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:25.880 I think that the purpose would be that you realize 335 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:28.160 the gravity of your sin, and so you want to 336 00:17:28.279 --> 00:17:31.079 turn from the sin. So like, give an example you 337 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:36.519 asked about, So during lent, which is preparation for or 338 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.839 time of fasting and whatnot, before the culmination of lent. 339 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:43.079 Do you put that stuff over your head, the black. 340 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.559 That's a Catholic thing, okay, but that's just to signify 341 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:51.160 that you are the dust of dust to dusty return again. 342 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.960 So we would say that Christ, as the son of God, 343 00:17:55.079 --> 00:17:59.599 willingly took on death at the cross so that we 344 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:04.680 could participate in his life to overcome our sins. But 345 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.400 the overcoming of the passions and the sins is for 346 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.480 most people a lifelong process. So like if I got 347 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.599 angry at my wife, you know, last month, and you know, 348 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:20.279 the preacher, the priest gives a homily and that moves me, 349 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.960 and he talks about the death of Christ, like I 350 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.559 might be moved to repent because I know that my 351 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:27.640 sins resulted in the death of Christ. 352 00:18:28.160 --> 00:18:35.839 So that's Mary, Mother Mary. I was told that the 353 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:41.240 arthor doos believe that Mother Mary? And I want to say, 354 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.640 I think how I heard it that Mother Mary is 355 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.839 waiting somewhere up there, so that if we all die, 356 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:51.640 she's going to come, going to meet you somewhere between 357 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:54.359 there and heaven, and she's going to take your body 358 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:56.160 over to Heaven to Jesus. 359 00:18:56.599 --> 00:18:59.000 Is that true? I never heard that. 360 00:18:59.160 --> 00:18:59.799 You never heard that. 361 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:01.319 It's not Orthodox to you? 362 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.599 What have you heard about Mary and a dead body? 363 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:08.640 I may be saying it wrong. 364 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:13.119 Well, I mean, in our view, Mary is in heaven, 365 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.680 and we believe that she is up there with Christ 366 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.960 because she was his mother, right, and so we think 367 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:22.720 that the saints that are in heaven they're. 368 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:23.920 Not divorced from us. 369 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.000 They are in our lives in a mystical spiritual way, 370 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.359 and so they pray for us. So, for example, if 371 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.319 you go to Orthodox Church, we believe that that Sunday liturgy. 372 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.480 We think it's identical to the worship service that John 373 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:39.880 is seeing in John in Revelation chapter four, five, six, seven, eight, 374 00:19:40.160 --> 00:19:42.559 when he looks up into heaven and he sees this 375 00:19:42.680 --> 00:19:46.039 lamb slain and he sees an altar and incense in vestiments. 376 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.920 We think that is the Orthodox Church on earth. It's 377 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.440 the same thing for us. Really, so we believe, so 378 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.119 we believe Mary is not apart from us, but that 379 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.200 she participates in the same service, and that she prays 380 00:19:58.200 --> 00:20:00.920 for the Church on earth. So we're not crying for 381 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:03.359 Mary or she's not taking bodies somewhere. 382 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.599 She's just praying for us. She ain't stealing bodies. 383 00:20:08.279 --> 00:20:11.640 And so why do you have you read in the 384 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.359 Bible that Mary was interceding for you? 385 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:16.680 For you all? Well? 386 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:19.359 In have you read that in a Bible that Mary 387 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:20.920 is interceding for you? 388 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:21.839 Yes? 389 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.960 So the answer would be if you look at Hebrews eleven, 390 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:26.799 and you look at Revelation twelve, and you look at 391 00:20:26.839 --> 00:20:29.799 Revelation five, six, seven, eight, you can see that the 392 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.000 saints are in heaven. They're praying for the saints on earth, 393 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:35.240 the Church on earth. They intercede and they offer the 394 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.160 prayers of God or the prayers of the saints to God, 395 00:20:38.759 --> 00:20:41.359 and we're all one heavenly family, according to Hebrews eleven. 396 00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:44.720 So yes, really, and that's what you that's why you 397 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:46.880 came up with this idea that Mary and praying for 398 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:47.799 you from. 399 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:52.240 Those well, yeah, but it's not just from those passages. 400 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:57.440 There's also ancient Jewish belief before Christianity came. They believe 401 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.480