Speaker 1: With Welcome to the Fallen State. I am jesse Lee Peterson.
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Speaker 1: He is a YouTuber, comedian, writer, author and TV presenter. Uh,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Than here, you sound very important.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. What do you mean? What
Speaker 2: maybe I am important? Or do I sound important.
Speaker 1: All these YouTuber comedian, writer, author and TV present.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's important.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So let me just ask what's important to you?
Speaker 3: Well, number one, I'm Orthodox Christians, so that's probably the
Speaker 3: most important thing Orthodox Christianity. Following that, following christ Number two,
Speaker 3: my wife, my job, what I do doing all this
Speaker 3: YouTube stuff, writing for Sam Hyde, do the Alex Jones Show.
Speaker 3: Have been hosting Ox Jones for six years. So those
Speaker 3: things are important. And then kind of, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to get good messages out to the culture. Against feminism,
Speaker 3: against leftism, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: So that's what's important to me.
Speaker 1: Right on, and I read that you were in an
Speaker 1: Arthur dop and I want to talk about your book
Speaker 1: as well. Sure, Arthur Dox christian right, and even though
Speaker 1: I'm learning more about it that I've known beforehand, but
Speaker 1: explained to us, what is that exactly?
Speaker 3: So basically, we believe that it's the ancient form of
Speaker 3: Christianity that is in league with in concert with what
Speaker 3: the Church taught for the first thousand years of Christianity.
Speaker 3: So if you read the Church Fathers after the Apostles
Speaker 3: or the first, second and third century, whether it's Irenaeus
Speaker 3: or Cyprian or Ignacious or Clement, they all teach the
Speaker 3: same thing that we teach, and they're the successors to
Speaker 3: the Apostles. So Orthodox Christianity is really maintaining that tradition.
Speaker 2: But we're noticeably different from.
Speaker 3: Roman Catholicism because we don't have a pope and we
Speaker 3: are not Protestant because we do believe in a lot
Speaker 3: of things that Protestants don't believe in, like the real
Speaker 3: presence of Christ and the Eucharist. We have Apostolic succession,
Speaker 3: we have world traditions. So all of those things kind
Speaker 3: of set us apart from both Protestant churches and the
Speaker 3: Roman Catholic Church.
Speaker 2: It seems to be like a Catholic church in ways.
Speaker 2: In ways, and.
Speaker 1: Why do you guys look like a Catholic church in ways?
Speaker 3: Well, if you go back to the early Church, the first, second,
Speaker 3: and third century, when the apostles went out and they
Speaker 3: set up churches. When Paul went on his missionary journeys
Speaker 3: and set up churches, we believe that he established worship
Speaker 3: services for the church that are not directly written in scripture.
Speaker 2: So there's a tradition of what's called.
Speaker 3: Liturgical worship, which is the type of worship that you
Speaker 3: would see in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: With David writing psalms.
Speaker 3: Those psalms that David wrote were meant to be sung
Speaker 3: and played in the temple liturgy or after Ezra in
Speaker 3: the synagogue system services that Ezra set up. So we
Speaker 3: think that the apostles, not just Paul, but Peter who
Speaker 3: went to Rome or Mark who went to Alexandria, that
Speaker 3: they also crafted for the church liturgies. And when you read,
Speaker 3: say justin Martyr in one point fifty he describes the
Speaker 3: worship service of the church in fifty AD or Hereinas
Speaker 3: and one eighty a d. Those are early church bishops
Speaker 3: and saints and martyrs. They describe the worship service like
Speaker 3: we do in the Orthodox Church. So a lot of
Speaker 3: those things are elements that are continued out of the
Speaker 3: ancient Hebrew tradition of the temple and the synagogue worship.
Speaker 3: So you have things like vestiments, you have things like
Speaker 3: an altar. You have things that would be familiar to
Speaker 3: people familiar with the temple and synagogue worship, but also
Speaker 3: new elements that Christ established when he came that make
Speaker 3: it uniquely Christian. So the Lord's Supper, things like that,
Speaker 3: Baptism as part of the initiation, right, like, all of
Speaker 3: those things are uniquely also part of the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 2: But they have elements that I think.
Speaker 3: Are best understood not as pagan Roman accretions or something
Speaker 3: like that, but things coming out of the ancient Hebrew tradition.
Speaker 3: So we have vestiments and traditions things like that.
Speaker 1: I do the Orthodox Chory get along with the Cathoter
Speaker 1: Do they Lightwarner?
Speaker 2: Not really, No, they don't like you to. Now we
Speaker 2: split about a thousand years ago and why.
Speaker 3: Well, in the eleventh century, the papacy at that time,
Speaker 3: the pope in the Middle Ages early Middle Ages, he
Speaker 3: decided in eleven hundreds that he would be the greatest bishop,
Speaker 3: the head bishop of all the bishops. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: that's called the Gregorian Reforms of the eleventh century. Under
Speaker 3: Pope Gregory and then after him, successive Catholic popes, Roman
Speaker 3: Catholic popes made more and more grandiose claims about the
Speaker 3: Church of the West and his church, that he would
Speaker 3: control the whole global church. But he also in thirteen
Speaker 3: eighty two, under a Pope Urban, he claimed that you
Speaker 3: had to also believe that the pope was a temporal
Speaker 3: king as well as the spiritual head of the church.
Speaker 3: And this is a document called Unum Sanctum, and in
Speaker 3: that document he says, if you do not believe that
Speaker 3: the pope is also an earthly.
Speaker 2: Worldly king, you can't be saved.
Speaker 3: And so these were kind of like gradually moving the
Speaker 3: Orthodox and the papal church apart.
Speaker 2: So that's why.
Speaker 3: We haven't got along other things too, like certain theological issues.
Speaker 2: But those are the main issues.
Speaker 1: I read that the Catholic Church came about because they
Speaker 1: wanted to deceive the people and control them a personal gain,
Speaker 1: and that's why they came about and then created this
Speaker 1: pope guy.
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, so the word Catholic just means the
Speaker 3: universal Church or the fullness of truth. Right, So we
Speaker 3: call ourselves as Orthodox. We believe we are the Orthodox
Speaker 3: Catholic Church. So we're the right believing Catholic Church. And
Speaker 3: so the word Catholic itself sometimes is associated with us,
Speaker 3: but also sometimes associated with the pope. So if you mean,
Speaker 3: did the papacy or did the pope by the Middle
Speaker 3: Ages begin to be this deceptive entity, we would say yes,
Speaker 3: But we don't think in the first thousand years that
Speaker 3: the pope was.
Speaker 2: Evil per se.
Speaker 3: They were good and bishops throughout the first thousand years
Speaker 3: of Christianity. So many of those popes are saints in
Speaker 3: the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 1: Why did the pope establish the church when God said,
Speaker 1: let no man teach you? And so they've got this
Speaker 1: pope guy, and that's all they do is chief people
Speaker 1: instead of pointing them back to the teacher.
Speaker 3: Well, I think when Jesus says, call no man on
Speaker 3: our father, let nobody be your teacher, that's not that's
Speaker 3: he's using rhetorical devices of teaching, like cut off your
Speaker 3: hand if it makes you sin, right, you don't literally
Speaker 3: cut your hand off, right, So Jesus. I don't think
Speaker 3: Jesus is saying no one teaches you because Paul says
Speaker 3: to Timothy, I'm your father in the faith. I have
Speaker 3: taught you, Timothy. So it's not an exclusive statement. It's
Speaker 3: a rhetorical teaching device. But I do think you're right
Speaker 3: that there can be situations where humans try to arrogate
Speaker 3: themselves above the word of God.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: For sure, I noticed that the Catholic I mean the
Speaker 1: Orthodox Church, why they seem to be dark and impressing.
Speaker 2: Well, if you go to Orthodox Church, that depends on
Speaker 2: the when and what time. You know.
Speaker 3: One reason that they're dark is that the church comes
Speaker 3: out of the Middle Ages when they.
Speaker 2: Didn't have electricity.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of monastic cathedrals that still don't have.
Speaker 2: Lights, so they have candles that light the church.
Speaker 3: That might be one reason, whether if you mean literally
Speaker 3: darker or was just saying or you saying like spiritually.
Speaker 1: Darker, Uh, literally dark, yeah, I mean depressing light.
Speaker 3: I mean if you go to Orthodox liturgy, it's very
Speaker 3: warm it's very inviting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Most people describe it as a very uh warm experience.
Speaker 3: So uh, for example, at Easter or Pasca, we have
Speaker 3: a service where it's dark and then at night you
Speaker 3: light it up so it gets really light with the
Speaker 3: candles and everything.
Speaker 2: So it really just depends on when and what.
Speaker 1: Time, and what's a prop of to habit services in
Speaker 1: the dark.
Speaker 3: Well, for example, ble at Pasca, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: situation where it's dark before the resurrection, so we believe
Speaker 3: the Christ is resurrected and then everything lights up, so
Speaker 3: it's before the world's in darkness, just a symbol of
Speaker 3: the world being in darkness and then it lights up
Speaker 3: super bright when there's the resurrection.
Speaker 1: Why and why and when did you become an Orthodox?
Speaker 1: What made you decide instead of being a normal Christian?
Speaker 1: What made you becoming Oh.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what we think. This is normal.
Speaker 3: If you go the first thousand years Christianity, this is
Speaker 3: what's normal. So there were no Protestants back then, so
Speaker 3: this is normal.
Speaker 2: That is Christianity.
Speaker 1: So have you always been an author?
Speaker 2: Dox no No.
Speaker 3: To answer your question, I think I became Orthodox twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: So I was raised Baptist.
Speaker 2: My family's Baptist, and.
Speaker 1: You finished from your south, You're finished coming from your south. Right,
Speaker 1: you grew up in Tennessee, right, Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: be a Baptist down there.
Speaker 2: Or a cares right, right, So yeah, Osra's Baptist.
Speaker 3: And then I started reading the Church Fathers and reading
Speaker 3: Church history and studying how the Bible came together when
Speaker 3: I was in my twenties, and I put a lot
Speaker 3: of time into that, and I became Roman Catholic in
Speaker 3: two thousand and three. So I was Catholic for ten years,
Speaker 3: maybe nine years somewhere around that. Uh, And then I
Speaker 3: started thinking. I started realizing that there's something wrong with
Speaker 3: like what the Catholic Church taught after Vatican two in
Speaker 3: the sixties versus what they've taught before it. Because for example,
Speaker 3: you have, you know, the Middle Ages, the pope would
Speaker 3: call crusades against the Muslims, but then after the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties they're going and praying in the mosque with Muslims.
Speaker 2: So those things can't be true the same, Like.
Speaker 3: How are you going to call a crusade and any
Speaker 3: how you're going to go pray with them?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense praying in the mosques.
Speaker 3: So I was just looking for what I thought would
Speaker 3: be the most authentic version of Christianity that was the
Speaker 3: Christianity the first thousand years, and so I just eventually
Speaker 3: found my way to Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: So that's since twenty seventeen. Were your parents disappointed?
Speaker 3: No, I mean my mom has always been supportive of
Speaker 3: my religious studies and journey, so she wasn't critical of
Speaker 3: it at all.
Speaker 2: My dad's not good health, but he didn't.
Speaker 1: Care, Okay, And so how did it help you personally.
Speaker 2: To become an Orthodox? How were you help by that?
Speaker 3: I think that the Orthodox Church, since I believe is
Speaker 3: the true Church, I think that it has the grace
Speaker 3: and the power that I.
Speaker 2: Was looking for in a lot of these other groups
Speaker 2: to actually change you.
Speaker 3: So I've seen in my life since being Orthodox almost
Speaker 3: almost ten years, maybe nine years now, a lot of
Speaker 3: hopefully improvement. I mean, there's a lot of areas I've
Speaker 3: still got to work on, but I've seen a lot
Speaker 3: of passions, a lot of them. You talk about emotions
Speaker 3: a lot, I've seen a lot of that being overcome.
Speaker 3: We stress in the Orthodox Church that you need to
Speaker 3: be dispassionate, meaning not ruled by your emotions and your
Speaker 3: pass That's a big part of Orthodox spirituality. So hopefully
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of that improvement. I mean, I'll
Speaker 3: still fall into getting angry at times.
Speaker 1: But you do sometimes at times. But let me ask,
Speaker 1: do you cry over Mother Mary on Friday nights?
Speaker 2: I don't cry over her, but we believe.
Speaker 1: But you got you cry over Mary on Friday nights? Right, No,
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. No, oh, y'all cry over Jesus dying
Speaker 1: on Friday nights.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there in an Easter service. During the week,
Speaker 3: there are certain services building up to Easter where you
Speaker 3: do fast and we do like the canon of Saint Andrew,
Speaker 3: which is repentance, and you can and perhaps should cry.
Speaker 2: Over your sin and those situations. But we don't cry
Speaker 2: over Mary, you know. But you cry over Jesus. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean at a certain time.
Speaker 3: But then you have to rejoice when you celebrate the resurrection.
Speaker 3: So there's In other words.
Speaker 2: We kind of represent every year the life of Christ.
Speaker 1: Oh you do.
Speaker 3: So that's what the what we call the liturgy, that's
Speaker 3: the yearly cycle of the services, and it's really just
Speaker 3: to represent the Gospel every year so you kind of
Speaker 3: live through his life, death and resurrection every year.
Speaker 2: Every year you relive it. And so do you cry
Speaker 2: over Jesus?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: I mean there might be times when you're crying over
Speaker 3: repentance and you could re you know, you could be
Speaker 3: moved to cry over you know, a sermon or something
Speaker 3: about the death of Christ. But I mean we celebrate.
Speaker 3: Let me put this way, we celebrate the resurrection more
Speaker 3: than we are crying in mourning, if that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1: Right, But just from my understanding, we so you do
Speaker 1: you have cried over Jesus' death?
Speaker 2: Right? I'm sure at some point what were you crying about?
Speaker 1: Why cry over that?
Speaker 3: I would say, depending on what time in my life
Speaker 3: you're asking about. I mean, it would probably be just
Speaker 3: related to the fact that our sins are what resulted
Speaker 3: in Christ willingly going to die on the cross, So
Speaker 3: it would be a reflection of some form of repentance.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, I'm black and slow, so just take
Speaker 1: me a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm bipop too.
Speaker 3: I identify as black, so that way I get away
Speaker 3: with a lot more.
Speaker 2: I'm on my own bipop time.
Speaker 1: You identify as black.
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm also I wasn't late. I was on time,
Speaker 2: but right, because when I show up is when is
Speaker 2: on time?
Speaker 1: Right, That's what the purpose of crying over Jesus. We're
Speaker 1: sufficient when Jesus is not dead, because why I keep
Speaker 1: going through that.
Speaker 2: Well again, i'd be like saying, well, why would you
Speaker 2: read the gospel of his birth when he's in heaven. Now,
Speaker 2: It's because the whole message of the Bible always has
Speaker 2: an eternal meaning and significance. So that's why every year
Speaker 2: the Orthodox Church represents the entire life and death and
Speaker 2: resurrection of Christ, because it's an eternal thing that you
Speaker 2: keep learning from. There's always something to learn from.
Speaker 1: But he didn't want us to die over his death.
Speaker 1: He wanted us to rejoice. Why I mean, he didn't
Speaker 1: want us to cry over his death. He wanted us
Speaker 1: to rejoice. And so I don't understand the crying. But
Speaker 1: all he's alive. He's very much alive. And the death
Speaker 1: war for who wipe away all out of sin? What
Speaker 1: is to crying about?
Speaker 3: Well, we have to always continue to repent it. That's
Speaker 3: not something that just happens once you got to live
Speaker 3: your life.
Speaker 2: Paul says, I have to keep buffeting my body. I
Speaker 2: must run the course.
Speaker 3: So even Paul says, like, we still have to keep
Speaker 3: doing these things. It's not like you just did this
Speaker 3: one time in the past and then you'll ever have
Speaker 3: to do it again. So we're always repenting. We're always
Speaker 3: asking for forgiveness. If you look at David Salms, David
Speaker 3: is constantly asking for forgiveness.
Speaker 1: And so you're going to be crying every year for
Speaker 1: the regular life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're also celebrating every year to the rest
Speaker 2: of our life. Oh so it's both.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Do y'all make up the tears? So you
Speaker 1: think about Jesus, did I gave it?
Speaker 2: Leave it? I mean, it would be fake if you're
Speaker 2: doing that.
Speaker 3: I mean, we think we're not doing it to show
Speaker 3: everybody else I'm crying.
Speaker 1: So you really feel sad about Jesus under Cross.
Speaker 3: Well, if I have a hardened heart or if I'm
Speaker 3: in a worldly mindset, I might not be moved at all.
Speaker 3: So I think the idea is that we want to
Speaker 3: be as close to Christ as we can, and if
Speaker 3: you're moved, then you would do that. But if you're
Speaker 3: not moved, you're not going to like fake it be
Speaker 3: an actor or so.
Speaker 1: What made you cry thinking about his death? Is this
Speaker 1: thinking about his death that makes you cry, or or
Speaker 1: preaching about his death or the music or is this
Speaker 1: the whole thing?
Speaker 2: Again?
Speaker 3: I think that the purpose would be that you realize
Speaker 3: the gravity of your sin, and so you want to
Speaker 3: turn from the sin. So like, give an example you
Speaker 3: asked about, So during lent, which is preparation for or
Speaker 3: time of fasting and whatnot, before the culmination of lent.
Speaker 1: Do you put that stuff over your head, the black.
Speaker 3: That's a Catholic thing, okay, but that's just to signify
Speaker 3: that you are the dust of dust to dusty return again.
Speaker 3: So we would say that Christ, as the son of God,
Speaker 3: willingly took on death at the cross so that we
Speaker 3: could participate in his life to overcome our sins. But
Speaker 3: the overcoming of the passions and the sins is for
Speaker 3: most people a lifelong process. So like if I got
Speaker 3: angry at my wife, you know, last month, and you know,
Speaker 3: the preacher, the priest gives a homily and that moves me,
Speaker 3: and he talks about the death of Christ, like I
Speaker 3: might be moved to repent because I know that my
Speaker 3: sins resulted in the death of Christ.
Speaker 1: So that's Mary, Mother Mary. I was told that the
Speaker 1: arthor doos believe that Mother Mary? And I want to say,
Speaker 1: I think how I heard it that Mother Mary is
Speaker 1: waiting somewhere up there, so that if we all die,
Speaker 1: she's going to come, going to meet you somewhere between
Speaker 1: there and heaven, and she's going to take your body
Speaker 1: over to Heaven to Jesus.
Speaker 2: Is that true? I never heard that.
Speaker 1: You never heard that.
Speaker 2: It's not Orthodox to you?
Speaker 1: What have you heard about Mary and a dead body?
Speaker 2: I may be saying it wrong.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, in our view, Mary is in heaven,
Speaker 3: and we believe that she is up there with Christ
Speaker 3: because she was his mother, right, and so we think
Speaker 3: that the saints that are in heaven they're.
Speaker 2: Not divorced from us.
Speaker 3: They are in our lives in a mystical spiritual way,
Speaker 3: and so they pray for us. So, for example, if
Speaker 3: you go to Orthodox Church, we believe that that Sunday liturgy.
Speaker 3: We think it's identical to the worship service that John
Speaker 3: is seeing in John in Revelation chapter four, five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 3: when he looks up into heaven and he sees this
Speaker 3: lamb slain and he sees an altar and incense in vestiments.
Speaker 3: We think that is the Orthodox Church on earth. It's
Speaker 3: the same thing for us. Really, so we believe, so
Speaker 3: we believe Mary is not apart from us, but that
Speaker 3: she participates in the same service, and that she prays
Speaker 3: for the Church on earth. So we're not crying for
Speaker 3: Mary or she's not taking bodies somewhere.
Speaker 2: She's just praying for us. She ain't stealing bodies.
Speaker 1: And so why do you have you read in the
Speaker 1: Bible that Mary was interceding for you?
Speaker 2: For you all? Well?
Speaker 1: In have you read that in a Bible that Mary
Speaker 1: is interceding for you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: So the answer would be if you look at Hebrews eleven,
Speaker 3: and you look at Revelation twelve, and you look at
Speaker 3: Revelation five, six, seven, eight, you can see that the
Speaker 3: saints are in heaven. They're praying for the saints on earth,
Speaker 3: the Church on earth. They intercede and they offer the
Speaker 3: prayers of God or the prayers of the saints to God,
Speaker 3: and we're all one heavenly family, according to Hebrews eleven.
Speaker 1: So yes, really, and that's what you that's why you
Speaker 1: came up with this idea that Mary and praying for
Speaker 1: you from.
Speaker 3: Those well, yeah, but it's not just from those passages.
Speaker 3: There's also ancient Jewish belief before Christianity came. They believe
Speaker 3: that righteous men could intercede for other righteous. So if
Speaker 3: you read the Book of Amos, Amos for example, praise
Speaker 3: and he says, God, don't destroy Israel, and God says,
Speaker 3: because you prayed, Amos, I will not destroy Israel, even
Speaker 3: though I was going to. But had you not prayed,
Speaker 3: I would have. So we would say the prayer of
Speaker 3: righteous man availed much as James says. And so if
Speaker 3: the saints in heaven are they're more righteous than we are.
Speaker 3: Because they're in the presence of God. Their prayers avail
Speaker 3: with much. So if I can ask my mom or
Speaker 3: my wife to pray for me, it's no different than
Speaker 3: asking a righteous man or a righteous saint to pray
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Why y'all make Mary was important you had Jesus. I'm
Speaker 1: not putting that down at all. But why y'all make
Speaker 1: Mary so important? When Jesus told Mary to go sit
Speaker 1: down and be quiet, if you had been praying or
Speaker 1: seeking to Father, you would have known what I was doing.
Speaker 1: Why he yelled at her if she was so important
Speaker 1: and he told us sit down.
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't say yelled at her. That's not amazing.
Speaker 1: He didn't, may hear that important? Why have you guys
Speaker 1: made Mary so important?
Speaker 3: Well, at that passage he also says, it is not
Speaker 3: my time yet, it is not my revealing. So a
Speaker 3: lot of things that were later to be revealed, we
Speaker 3: believe were not yet revealed. So not everything has come
Speaker 3: to fruition.
Speaker 2: And he also didn't want the apostles.
Speaker 3: For whatever reason at that time, knowing exactly what he
Speaker 3: was up to, probably because they weren't able yet to
Speaker 3: handle it, because he says elsewhere in the Gospels, I
Speaker 3: have many things to say to you, but you're not
Speaker 3: able to handle it yet. So there's a perfect time
Speaker 3: for those things to come to be revealed. So we
Speaker 3: believe in what's called typology, which is the idea that
Speaker 3: there's a lot of things in the Old Testament that
Speaker 3: are foreshadowing what would come in the New Testament. And
Speaker 3: one of those things is the idea that Mary is
Speaker 3: also the ark of the Covenant. So in the Old Testament,
Speaker 3: you have the ark of the Covenant, you have God's
Speaker 3: law inside of that that's Immanuel God with us, the presence.
Speaker 2: Of God amongst the Jews.
Speaker 3: And we believe that when Jesus went down into becoming
Speaker 3: incarnate in the womb of Mary, he chose her as
Speaker 3: a new arc of the Covenant, fulfilling the Old Testament
Speaker 3: ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 2: That's why if you look in the.
Speaker 3: Old Testament, she spends the Covenant spends three months in
Speaker 3: the hill country of Judea. Mary goes and spends three
Speaker 3: months in the hill country with Zach Ryan Elizabeth Uh.
Speaker 3: And then the Holy the Chakaina, the glory cloud would
Speaker 3: overshadow the arc of the Covenant, and then you have
Speaker 3: the Holy Spirit overshadowing Mary. So there's a parallel between
Speaker 3: these two things that we think Mary is a fulfillment
Speaker 3: of all those things. And that's why in Revelation twelve
Speaker 3: you see Mary presented as the Queen of Heaven.
Speaker 1: We believe, amazing, amazing, it's interesting, it's so interesting, interesting, But.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going to be. It's a theology.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's fine, it's just I didn't know what
Speaker 2: this expects today.
Speaker 1: But Uh and Drena asked that because nowhere in descriptive
Speaker 1: where Jesus outrightly may marry a big deal. You know,
Speaker 1: he barely mentioned her, and yet she has been turned
Speaker 1: into a say and you pray to her, and you
Speaker 1: wish of her the kind of awe and interesting to me,
Speaker 1: That's why I wonder how that came about.
Speaker 3: Well, but I don't know what you believe about the
Speaker 3: New Testament. But we believe that Jesus is the one
Speaker 3: that inspired all the New Testament. So if the Book
Speaker 3: of Revelation presents her in chapter twelve as queen of Heaven,
Speaker 3: that's also Jesus saying she's the queen of heaven. So
Speaker 3: it's not like Jesus has to say it in red
Speaker 3: letters or something that's amazing.
Speaker 2: What other queen thing?
Speaker 1: Do your church author religion believe that Jesus was God
Speaker 1: or the son of God.
Speaker 2: He's both.
Speaker 3: Because the word God can be used in different senses
Speaker 3: and different references. So, for example, the Old Testament in
Speaker 3: the Burning Bush, when God says I am that I
Speaker 3: am in Exodus three fourteen, if you go over to
Speaker 3: Exos twenty three, a few chapters later, God says about
Speaker 3: the angel that spoke in the bush. He says that
Speaker 3: angel that messenger can forgive your sins, or he may
Speaker 3: not forgive your sins. And I have put my divine
Speaker 3: name of Yahweh in him. So the name of God Yahweh,
Speaker 3: is given also to this angel messenger in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: That's not just that passage you have.
Speaker 3: For example, in Gideon or in Judges six, it says
Speaker 3: that Yahweh the Lord stood next to Gideon and turned
Speaker 3: his face to Gideon.
Speaker 2: And if you read.
Speaker 3: John chapter five through nine, Jesus says to the Pharisees,
Speaker 3: nobody ever saw the Father in the Old Testament. And
Speaker 3: yet we have a lot of these passages in the
Speaker 3: Old Testament where it is said that they saw God
Speaker 3: face to face, like Moses saw God face to face
Speaker 3: on the mountain, or Gideon.
Speaker 2: Saw God face to face. So for the Orthodox Church,
Speaker 2: these are called Theophanes or divine manifestations in the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: So point being summary of all that is, if Jesus
Speaker 2: says no man can see the Father at any time,
Speaker 2: then who is this face of Yahweh that has called God,
Speaker 2: that forgives sins, that has worshiped throughout the Old Testament. Well,
Speaker 2: Jesus is arguing to the Pharisees. That's him.
Speaker 3: That's why he says before Abraham was I am The
Speaker 3: same statement as Exodus three about the burning bush. So
Speaker 3: Jesus says, the son of the Father, but he has
Speaker 3: the same nature as the Father because he's also God.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Nowhere in the Bible anywhere when Jesus said himself that
Speaker 1: I am God. But everywhere in the Bible he said,
Speaker 1: I'm the son of God. My father is in heaven,
Speaker 1: my father sent me. My Father give me the words
Speaker 1: to say, it's not me, but it's my father doing
Speaker 1: the work. Don't wish me because it's not me. Is
Speaker 1: my father and me my father.
Speaker 2: And I never says don't worship me.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
Speaker 3: He when he goes to when he goes to uh Uh,
Speaker 3: he says, put your hand in my side, right right,
Speaker 3: and he says, my Lord and my God.
Speaker 2: Right. He wouldn't, but he wouldn't talk about himself.
Speaker 3: No, it's the apostle saying that to Jesus. Thomas is saying,
Speaker 3: my Lord and my God.
Speaker 1: But Jesus never said other people said things about him.
Speaker 1: But nowhere in the Bible where he said I am.
Speaker 2: God before Abraham, was I am right. But he still
Speaker 2: have said he was God? What I am that he
Speaker 2: did existent? What is I am though?
Speaker 1: Because I am in the meaning he's oh, he's one
Speaker 1: persons existent Exodus three.
Speaker 3: Where God says I am that I am right, And
Speaker 3: then in John Jesus saying before Abram was I am.
Speaker 1: I know, But you still nowhere where you go to
Speaker 1: find what Jesus said, I am God? And I understand
Speaker 1: that the preachers and everybody making that up, and they
Speaker 1: putting all these words together, and they make it sound
Speaker 1: like what they wanted to sound like. But Jesus was
Speaker 1: clear that he was the son, he and the Father
Speaker 1: wanted the Father in him, and he and the Father,
Speaker 1: and so he made that very clear. But the teachers,
Speaker 1: the preachers and the others, they put all these words together,
Speaker 1: and so you believe Jesus.
Speaker 3: So in John seventeen he says to the disciples, he says, I.
Speaker 2: Came to give you a share in.
Speaker 3: The glory that I had with the Father before the
Speaker 3: foundation of the way.
Speaker 2: Right, So does he have God's.
Speaker 3: Uncreated glory, Yes, before the foundation of the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, then he's God.
Speaker 1: No, he was one with God before the foundation of
Speaker 1: the world because he came from God, but he wasn't God.
Speaker 2: He came from the well. He's not God the Father.
Speaker 3: But God can have a son, right, right, he does
Speaker 3: have a son, but he can be worshiped because he
Speaker 3: is the son of the Father and he's the creator
Speaker 3: of the world.
Speaker 1: But he didn't want to be worshiped because he knew
Speaker 1: that he knew the weakness of human minds, and human
Speaker 1: being is always looking for somebody to worship, and so
Speaker 1: he did not want to be wished. I remember, I
Speaker 1: remember when he rode into town on the donkey. One
Speaker 1: of the reasons that he wrote in on the donkey
Speaker 1: because he wanted to be known that I'm just the
Speaker 1: son of God. I'm not Guys, don't be worshiping me.
Speaker 1: I'm just like everybody else.
Speaker 2: But the word God.
Speaker 1: The people wishing him anyway, let they do it.
Speaker 2: Mary, if I have a son and he has, he
Speaker 2: would have my nature, right, both of human nature. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: So do you think that he's the son of the Father.
Speaker 2: Do you think the father's uncreated?
Speaker 1: He would be your son creating your image, right, right,
Speaker 1: So he wouldn't be the father, right.
Speaker 3: I agree, But like Jesus is right, But I'm saying,
Speaker 3: if Jesus shares his father's nature, do you think the
Speaker 3: Father's nature is uncreated?
Speaker 1: Uncreated? What did you mean by that?
Speaker 2: Does God have a beginning? Was he careate or is
Speaker 2: he eternal?
Speaker 1: He's eternal?
Speaker 3: Okay, so his nature is uncreated, it's not created, and
Speaker 3: so would his son not have the same.
Speaker 2: Nature you have? Jesus isn't a creature. I'm sorry. Then
Speaker 2: the son of God is not a creature. He's eternal,
Speaker 2: just like the Father.
Speaker 1: Right, just like the Father.
Speaker 2: Well, then he's eternally God.
Speaker 1: I understand how people want to see that. He's got
Speaker 1: to understand what you mean. You just said that is
Speaker 1: but he's not God.
Speaker 2: You just said that is.
Speaker 1: He had the eternal nature of the Father, then he's God.
Speaker 1: And why do you say that you just said it. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't said his father's nature, but.
Speaker 2: He means he's the vine.
Speaker 1: I know what you're saying about that. But do you
Speaker 1: believe he has a father and he has a father? Right,
Speaker 1: how could he be God? Are you saying he's God
Speaker 1: because he had the father nature?
Speaker 2: The word God? Yes, the word God can pick out
Speaker 2: a person or a nature, and so the Father is
Speaker 2: God but if he has a son with the same nature,
Speaker 2: then the word God can also pick out the son,
Speaker 2: and they can also pick out the nature that they share,
Speaker 2: just like the Holy Spirit has the same nature. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Let me ask ask, do you believe that you are
Speaker 1: the only be godden son of God?
Speaker 3: You are No, I'm not described that way. We're described
Speaker 3: as sons by adoption. He's a son by nature. So
Speaker 3: if you read John one, it says that even when
Speaker 3: he was in the flesh walking around with us, it
Speaker 3: says that he was in the bosom of the Father
Speaker 3: at the same time.
Speaker 2: So I'm a son by adoption. He's a son by nature.
Speaker 1: So you don't believe you are the only be godden
Speaker 1: son of God.
Speaker 3: Jesus has the only begotten son. We who are Christians
Speaker 3: who believe in him are sons by adoption, not by
Speaker 3: nature by grace.
Speaker 1: Do you believe you could do great or worse what
Speaker 1: Jesus did well?
Speaker 3: He says that in the Gospels, meaning that the apostles
Speaker 3: will be able to do way more than he does
Speaker 3: because there'll be many of them in whereas he was
Speaker 3: at one space and one time.
Speaker 1: So you don't believe you could do greater worship?
Speaker 2: Christ did uh, not specifically, No, he said you could.
Speaker 2: Why don't you believe that? You believe? Answered Mary and everything? Well,
Speaker 2: Mary is going on and she's deified. I'm not deified.
Speaker 1: So why can't you do greater worship? He said, you can?
Speaker 1: But I don't worship me.
Speaker 2: But did you hear what I say? He never says
Speaker 2: don't worship me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: In the Bible, he's right, great worship. You could do
Speaker 1: do what I'm doing. Okay, But would God ever tell
Speaker 1: you that that you could do greater worshe than him?
Speaker 3: Because he chose to be at one place in one time,
Speaker 3: walking around and compernaum and but say it in Jerusalem.
Speaker 3: He's saying to the apostles, because there's many of you,
Speaker 3: you'll be able to go out and do many good works.
Speaker 2: That's what he means.
Speaker 1: He's not saying what he said.
Speaker 2: Well, if you want to combine.
Speaker 3: It with the rest of the scriptures to make it
Speaker 3: make sense, that's what he has to mean, because he's
Speaker 3: not saying that.
Speaker 2: He's not saying that a human being.
Speaker 3: That's a creature can do greater than this on of God.
Speaker 2: That's absurd. Jesus is the creator. Hebrews One says he
Speaker 2: is the creator of the world. That's amazing. So how
Speaker 2: could a creature be greater than the creator?
Speaker 1: So let me asked, because of time, do I want
Speaker 1: to move on to you believe in God? You believe
Speaker 1: in God, and you said you have anger? You believe
Speaker 1: in God, Why do you still have anger?
Speaker 2: Well, what's the name of your show?
Speaker 1: Did you hear the fall of state?
Speaker 2: We're all in a fallen state.
Speaker 3: So as long as we're in this life, we're still
Speaker 3: going to be liable to sins, passions, and temptations. So
Speaker 3: at times, all of us we will leave still fall
Speaker 3: into sins.
Speaker 2: We're not perfect in this life.
Speaker 1: But Christ said that all of your sins have been forgiven.
Speaker 2: In what way?
Speaker 1: Why do you believe you still have them?
Speaker 3: Well, you can still sin, because he even says, even
Speaker 3: though you've been forgiven, if you don't forgive your brother
Speaker 3: it will be accounted against you. So you still can
Speaker 3: sin and not be forgiven.
Speaker 2: And do you forgive your brothers?
Speaker 1: Why do you hold on to anger rather than just
Speaker 1: dropping it and be done with Because anger is evil.
Speaker 1: There's real love. It's the nature of the devil, and
Speaker 1: anyone that has anger is of the devil. How can
Speaker 1: you serve God and the devil?
Speaker 3: Well, what I said was at times a person can
Speaker 3: give in to the temptation to be angry. I didn't
Speaker 3: say that I hold anger right now. So for us,
Speaker 3: if you look at James, James says that sin when
Speaker 3: it gives birth to choosing in accord with the passions,
Speaker 3: He says, then it becomes evil. So we don't think
Speaker 3: that having a temptation to be evil, to be anger,
Speaker 3: so like that is sin. But sin is when you
Speaker 3: consent to something evil with your will. So everybody still
Speaker 3: we would say it still has sin. John says that
Speaker 3: if any man says he has no sin, he's a liar.
Speaker 2: So we all still.
Speaker 1: Sin, and so sinners of the heart, right, Okay? There
Speaker 1: be that anyone to have anger is evil and they judge,
Speaker 1: They judge himself, they judge other people, and that's what
Speaker 1: the sin is playing God, because anyone that judges is
Speaker 1: playing God. As long as you play God, you can
Speaker 1: never know God. You know about him, yeah, but ideas,
Speaker 1: but ideas about God is not knowing God or Christ. Well,
Speaker 1: why not drop your anger and be free? Because of
Speaker 1: the nature of the devil, why don't you drop it
Speaker 1: and be done with it?
Speaker 3: Okay, First of all, Jesus says to judge with righteous
Speaker 3: judgment and John seven twenty four. So it's not always
Speaker 3: wrong to make a judgment or an assessment. But if
Speaker 3: you judge when you have the same sin, then it's
Speaker 3: like being a pharisee or being a hypocrite. And again
Speaker 3: David says, be angry and sin not. So it's not
Speaker 3: always wrong merely to have anger, but to let that
Speaker 3: anger go out of a chord with what's in line
Speaker 3: with God's law. If you were to hate your brother
Speaker 3: or something like that, and it's not righteous anger, then
Speaker 3: that's a sin.
Speaker 2: But sin is not a state of being. It's not
Speaker 2: it's an action.
Speaker 1: To your heart of evil or love.
Speaker 3: Again, it's not either or, because everybody is liable to
Speaker 3: If you have a dirty thought, like that's a sin
Speaker 3: that you can sent to. But it doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: your whole person or your whole being is evil. Evil
Speaker 3: doesn't have being.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that if possible to have perfect peace
Speaker 1: on earth while you live.
Speaker 3: In a relative sense, But that doesn't mean that you're
Speaker 3: never going to have some even small sins.
Speaker 2: So you do believe you don't have perfect peace? So
Speaker 2: you don't.
Speaker 3: Again with qualification, I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 3: you mean by perfect peace. Do you mean like perfect sinlessness?
Speaker 2: Do you have perfect peace?
Speaker 3: Well, peace is like the presence of the Holy Spirit
Speaker 3: giving you comfort. That doesn't necessarily mean that you're perfectly sanctified.
Speaker 3: So is that what you mean, like never sinning? Is
Speaker 3: that what you mean?
Speaker 2: No, I'm asking about peace. Do you have peace? I
Speaker 2: think so?
Speaker 1: You know, why don't you have it all the time,
Speaker 1: no matter what happens.
Speaker 2: We're in the fallen state.
Speaker 1: But Christ said you can have it because he said
Speaker 1: any person with anger he said man, meaning woman too.
Speaker 1: He said any person with anger is evil, and you
Speaker 1: should not trust an angry person.
Speaker 2: But where is that I've never heard this verse? Yeah, where,
Speaker 2: oh know, somewhere? Okay? Is in there here? Okay?
Speaker 1: And so if he said that anyone that has anger
Speaker 1: is a murderer and you should not trust an.
Speaker 3: Hating it, now John says, to hate your brother in
Speaker 3: your heart is the same as being a murderer.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about what Jesus said.
Speaker 1: Jesus said, anyone that has anger as a murderer, and
Speaker 1: you should not trust an angry person. Have you noticed
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 3: Can't if you're angry with your brother without a cause,
Speaker 3: you're liable to the judgment.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what Jesus is.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. That's what the attitude says.
Speaker 1: Have you read where he said that anyone is a
Speaker 1: murderer and you cannot trust an angry person.
Speaker 2: No, I've never read that.
Speaker 1: You got to read it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: John says in One John that if you are if
Speaker 3: you hate your brother, you're a murderer in your heart.
Speaker 3: And Jesus says, anyone who's angry with his brother without
Speaker 3: a cause is liable to the judgment.
Speaker 2: So that's the beautitude. So I'm not sure what you're
Speaker 2: referend that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Do you if you can have perfect peace on earth,
Speaker 1: would you accept it?
Speaker 2: Sure? You would? Sure? Why you pause? Because it's a
Speaker 2: bizarre question, it is?
Speaker 1: Why is that a bizarre question?
Speaker 3: It's bizarre because I've never been asked that question.
Speaker 2: And I'm also trying to figure out what you mean
Speaker 2: by it.
Speaker 1: So, oh, okay, And so if you can have perfect
Speaker 1: peace on earth, why you live? You would accept it?
Speaker 2: In my own personal life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your own personal life where you could never ever,
Speaker 1: ever ever again be affected by anything or anyone.
Speaker 2: Would you have with you selt perfect piece? I guess
Speaker 2: you're not sure. This is a weird question.
Speaker 3: Never be affected by anyone, so like my wife, like
Speaker 3: if she kisses me, or like I don't feel any
Speaker 3: affections or what you be affected by anyone for any
Speaker 3: reason and any tim So would you have perfect piece
Speaker 3: and self perfect piece?
Speaker 1: If if you could have it?
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: You're not sure. You're not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Oh, so you really don't want perfect piece.
Speaker 2: There's ambiguity in the terms. I don't know what you mean.
Speaker 1: I'm black and slow what an aby?
Speaker 3: But I'm black and slow too because I identify as
Speaker 3: that I get away one morning?
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? What is what abiturity?
Speaker 2: It's unclear. Oh, it's vague.
Speaker 1: You're going to be making it clear, Okay, if you.
Speaker 2: Well repeating the words, is it get clear?
Speaker 3: I understand the words, but the words are vague. So
Speaker 3: when you say perfect peace and then you say nothing
Speaker 3: would affect you, like, well, I want some things to
Speaker 3: affect me, like I want to be able to feel
Speaker 3: emotions towards my wife or my friend.
Speaker 2: Because emotions are good. They're not bad.
Speaker 1: There's nothing good about emotions.
Speaker 2: Well, then why did God give us emotions?
Speaker 1: God did give you emotions where they come from Satan.
Speaker 1: All angry people have emotional They're very emotionally, up one
Speaker 1: day and down one day. They're happy one day and there.
Speaker 2: Okay, God created that.
Speaker 1: God created you one day, and then they hate you
Speaker 1: one day. That's not from God. That's I love.
Speaker 2: Okay. But do you think God created everything?
Speaker 3: I know he did, Okay, then he created, he didn't create,
Speaker 3: then he created emotions.
Speaker 2: Then he didn't create everything.
Speaker 1: Right, emotions come from Satan.
Speaker 3: But you said God created everything emotions, well that's everything.
Speaker 1: Well his his God's love is a dispassionate love. It's
Speaker 1: a non emotional say love is emotional.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we don't believe that dispassionate means not having emotions,
Speaker 3: because emotions are good for us, but they have to
Speaker 3: be channeled and kept within the bounds of what's sin. So,
Speaker 3: for example, in our view, it's not always wrong to
Speaker 3: be angry, but to be angry with our.
Speaker 2: Cause is what is the sin?
Speaker 1: Who they as you are.
Speaker 3: James says that it's not the concupis sense of the
Speaker 3: passions that are evil, but it's when they give birth
Speaker 3: to sin that makes them evil.
Speaker 2: That's our viue.
Speaker 1: So you if if you can have a perfect peace
Speaker 1: right now and never get angry against speak up a
Speaker 1: deal with life, but never get angry. No, what can
Speaker 1: make you feel good? You know that your wife want
Speaker 1: to control you, say all nice thing to you. Oh honey,
Speaker 1: I love you, such a good man, right, Oh honey,
Speaker 1: I love you, And then you feel good at the
Speaker 1: moment you feeling good, and she said, well, there's a
Speaker 1: sale going on at sears. I want to get this
Speaker 1: hat over see you. No, we can't afford that hat.
Speaker 1: And then that I love you, honey, go to.
Speaker 2: I hate you, you cheap.
Speaker 1: My mama told me not to marry you. So you
Speaker 1: go from hate to love. Do you would you want
Speaker 1: a life where, however she or anyone that it would
Speaker 1: bother you?
Speaker 2: Is that be called women at the gas to hell?
Speaker 2: What women at the gates to hell? That's what you say.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a minute. That's a good question.
Speaker 1: But would you like to live a life? Would you
Speaker 1: want to live a life where you can be controlled
Speaker 1: like that. Well, that's just a small example. But would
Speaker 1: you want to be a life where you would be.
Speaker 2: Sold like that? Again?
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I recognize that human beings can do
Speaker 3: emotional manipulation, but that's different from saying that every emotion
Speaker 3: is inherently evil.
Speaker 2: That's what they could do it.
Speaker 1: If you were were not an emotion, no man, and
Speaker 1: you only have perfect love, they could not manipulate you.
Speaker 3: Saying that emotions have a place does not make me emotional.
Speaker 3: So that's a false that's a false equivalent of the
Speaker 3: fun two different things.
Speaker 2: What do you mean by that? Having so like?
Speaker 3: Think about sexual attraction, right, it's not inherently wrong to
Speaker 3: be sexually attracted to a woman. But if I act
Speaker 3: on that outside of what God lays down, that's when
Speaker 3: it's bad. But it's not the desired it self that's bad.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, say, you're married, I want
Speaker 1: to I gotta move on because of time.
Speaker 2: Now that's wrong.
Speaker 1: Uh does your wife obey you? Yeah, you obey you?
Speaker 1: And how did you get her to be obedient?
Speaker 2: For me? And that emotional manipulation.
Speaker 1: Mean for me? And who really do me? And who
Speaker 1: would dealing with that and they want to their why
Speaker 1: most women don't obey men? Not seriously, what would you
Speaker 1: suggest it, old man? How did you get your wife
Speaker 1: to become obedient to you?
Speaker 3: I think that she respects me because I most of
Speaker 3: the time live and act as a man should. So
Speaker 3: she wants a man who's strong, who's you know, intelligent,
Speaker 3: who can run a business, who's you know, able to
Speaker 3: be you know, a leader, And so she is more
Speaker 3: willing to defer to my authority in those situations than
Speaker 3: if I was a beta. As you say, if I
Speaker 3: was a beta, it would be a lot harder for
Speaker 3: me to, you know, try to get her to take
Speaker 3: my lead. But so I think, just if you just
Speaker 3: be a man and I agree with you to not
Speaker 3: be led by your emotions, and then a woman will
Speaker 3: typically tend to follow you. But you got to be strong,
Speaker 3: You got to be uh, you know, consistent, and not
Speaker 3: be beta.
Speaker 1: How do you deal with the hell in her when
Speaker 1: it comes out?
Speaker 2: The hell in her?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean well, Peter says, you know, when he writes
Speaker 3: his epistle, he says that men be patient with your
Speaker 3: wives because they're the weaker vessel. So I think every
Speaker 3: human being has fallen and men have a temptation to
Speaker 3: be lazy or to sit back. Women have a temptation
Speaker 3: to be usurping the man's role. So that's the temptation
Speaker 3: to the woman is to be like a man, and
Speaker 3: men have a temptation to be lazy and sit back.
Speaker 3: So to counteract that, you got to you got to
Speaker 3: be vigilant and be patient.
Speaker 1: So when the hell comes out of her, you just like,
Speaker 1: look at her, why he's going crazy?
Speaker 2: And you go what And you just.
Speaker 1: Let her act out until you get past it. I mean,
Speaker 1: the guys who are dealing with it, do you just
Speaker 1: let her act out in her craziness until you get
Speaker 1: pass it. You don't overreact to it.
Speaker 3: I think if you're a guy, the best thing to
Speaker 3: do in the situation where you're in a heated confrontation
Speaker 3: with your wife is to probably try to leave the situation,
Speaker 3: let things diffuse, come back in two or three hours.
Speaker 3: And actually, in the Orthodox Church, this is something that
Speaker 3: we like. I do a lot of debates, so I
Speaker 3: get into a lot of heated confrontations with atheists and
Speaker 3: Muslims and all kinds of people. And most of the
Speaker 3: people who give me advice because we always have checks
Speaker 3: and balances with you know, other clergy. They always say,
Speaker 3: don't try not to immediately react to these situations. Try
Speaker 3: to step away, let the the heat diffuse, and then
Speaker 3: you can come back and get because you have your
Speaker 3: reasoning powers back. If you get all up it wrapped
Speaker 3: up in emotions, you're going to act.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you definitely shouldn't over react to it at all.
Speaker 3: But that's why I'm saying, if you step away, yeah,
Speaker 3: let it diffuse.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: What other quick thing about God? And you maybe think
Speaker 1: of this? Who you asked me about the gates of hell?
Speaker 1: What made you ask me about the gates of hell?
Speaker 1: Because the woman is at the gates of hell.
Speaker 3: It was just a funny line that you had in
Speaker 3: the Jamie Kennedy, I guess, And you said women in
Speaker 3: the gates of hell and he said, he.
Speaker 2: Said, Brad, it's aggressive. Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: So do you agree with me or disagree that the
Speaker 1: God above is the man's God and the God below
Speaker 1: say it's a woman's God.
Speaker 2: No, that's Gnostic. What a gnosticism you said? That?
Speaker 1: Nasty?
Speaker 3: It's that's the teaching of some of the Gnostic sects
Speaker 3: of the early first centuries.
Speaker 2: It's or Manikeianism. It's a heresy, the idea.
Speaker 3: That there's that women are somehow of the devil but
Speaker 3: manner of God. That's that's false. God creators on both.
Speaker 1: Is another religion. Yeah, oh I never. I think somebody
Speaker 1: else mentioned something like him, but I've never really heard
Speaker 1: of that, probably at all. But let me so you disagree, yes,
Speaker 1: And why why you disagree other than it being why
Speaker 1: do you disagree?
Speaker 3: Well, not just because it's NaSTA, Because I think the
Speaker 3: Gnostic beliefs or the Manikin beliefs are dualistic, and they're
Speaker 3: just simply they were reduced to nonsense. I mean, if
Speaker 3: God created a man and woman, how could the woman
Speaker 3: somehow be satanic but the man?
Speaker 2: Because they both.
Speaker 1: Fell when launchery short When remember one day he went
Speaker 1: grocery shopping. What she went shopping with some dinner?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was down in garden shopping okay, and why
Speaker 1: she was shopping? They came by and he saw her
Speaker 1: out there. He's like, hey, Eve, how you doing? Are
Speaker 1: you good to see you? And she was like, right on,
Speaker 1: good to see you. How Adam he asked, and he said, oh,
Speaker 1: he's doing fine.
Speaker 2: Oh tell him, I said hello.
Speaker 1: And so when he went home, she said to Adam,
Speaker 1: I saw save today and he asked me to sell
Speaker 1: you the Hello okay and and and Adam said to Eve,
Speaker 1: they're away from the devil. Do not have anything to
Speaker 1: do with him at all.
Speaker 2: Well, that's not what happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then Eve said okay, because at that time
Speaker 1: she obeyed her husband, who obeyed his father.
Speaker 2: So there the three were one. They loved one.
Speaker 1: He loved her father, her husband who loved his father,
Speaker 1: and it was just nothing but love in the air, right,
Speaker 1: God's love. And then one day lons re short. She
Speaker 1: went back again to the market and get some risks
Speaker 1: and because she had never had that before, and she
Speaker 1: ready to Saint again. And he was like, hello, hello,
Speaker 1: how are you doing fine? And he asked, you're still
Speaker 1: with that guy? And she's like, yeah, I love my husband,
Speaker 1: I obeyed my husband. My husband love his father, and
Speaker 1: we're doing just fine. But he said to her, she
Speaker 1: had seen it before. You know, I'm faster, going faster,
Speaker 1: got you. And then he said, why do you keep
Speaker 1: listening to that man? He listened to his father. He's
Speaker 1: not even his own man, you listen to the father.
Speaker 1: Why you lived to this guy who listened to somewhere
Speaker 1: else his father. You could be your own woman. You
Speaker 1: could be a leader, you can be an own woman.
Speaker 1: You can take your bra off, you can do your thing.
Speaker 1: And she's like really, He's like yeah, and she believes
Speaker 1: Satan when he told her that, and the moment she
Speaker 1: believed Satan, she no longer believed her husband. The relationship
Speaker 1: fell apart because Saint had become her god. In that moment,
Speaker 1: she took on the nature of Satan. That's why women
Speaker 1: are so angry and controlling it. Hold on, man, just
Speaker 1: I'll make it short, okay, So she became like her father,
Speaker 1: the devil. She no longer obeyed her husband. And then
Speaker 1: after a period time period, she finally said to admit.
Speaker 1: After a period a time period that too. But after
Speaker 1: a while, she convinced Adam that he could be his
Speaker 1: own man. And he why you listen to your daddy?
Speaker 1: Because now she her nature, her mindset and emotions of
Speaker 1: the devil. And she's like, why you believe your daddy.
Speaker 1: Don't let your daddy control you. Be your own man.
Speaker 1: And after telling him that, after for so long, he's
Speaker 1: like you right, I I could be my own man.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do my own thing. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to listen to him anymore. And now Adam, I mean uh,
Speaker 1: Adam no longer believed his father God. He took on
Speaker 1: the nature of Eve, which was the nature of saying
Speaker 1: evil and emotional and all that stuff. And so one
Speaker 1: day God was like, looking for Adam, Adam, come on,
Speaker 1: we're going to go fishing today. And he went looking
Speaker 1: for Adam and he was with Eve, and uh, he like, Adam,
Speaker 1: what have you done. He's like, well, I listened to
Speaker 1: the woman, and I'm no longer listening to you.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: I listened to the woman who listened to the serpent,
Speaker 1: and the woman became his god. They became the woman's God,
Speaker 1: and the woman became the man's goud.
Speaker 2: And that's why.
Speaker 1: Women control men until they overcome the nature of the woman.
Speaker 1: The woman is his God, and men don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with the devil in her. And so now,
Speaker 1: but thank God Christ came and restored us so we
Speaker 1: can go back to the Father. That is about to
Speaker 1: return to the Father. And now men are subject to
Speaker 1: the woman because they have not overcome her. Until he
Speaker 1: overcomes mother. Do you see now that Satan is a
Speaker 1: woman's god. I understood she forgive and returned to the father.
Speaker 3: I understand the story that he told, but it's the
Speaker 3: opposite of what Paul says. Paul says Eve was deceived,
Speaker 3: but Adam transgressed.
Speaker 1: He did because he listened to the woman. He listened
Speaker 1: to the hell that's in the woman and Satan.
Speaker 2: But they're both fallen.
Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean that the woman's god is Satan
Speaker 3: and then that it's it's it's a it's just all
Speaker 3: mixed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do you think the hell come through the woman?
Speaker 2: What do I don't know what that means?
Speaker 1: Angry, control, the emotional.
Speaker 2: Every human being is susceptible.
Speaker 1: To doubtful and want to control everybody.
Speaker 2: It's not from a woman, but.
Speaker 1: It's a nature that's in her.
Speaker 3: But as a man, those are temptations that I have
Speaker 3: because I'm a falling human being. It's not because of
Speaker 3: my mom that I have those temptations.
Speaker 1: Have you forgiven your mother? You told her? Yeah, what
Speaker 1: did you.
Speaker 2: Say to her? But what does that have to do
Speaker 2: with whether or not?
Speaker 1: Because if you have not forgiven her, you have your
Speaker 1: mother's nature and every woman you get involved with, it's
Speaker 1: the spirit of your mother because you.
Speaker 2: Hate Okay, where did you get all these ideas? Because
Speaker 2: these are out there.
Speaker 1: Isn't the word no, none of that's in yeahre oh no,
Speaker 1: no no Reagenesis, it's all in there.
Speaker 2: Well, read Genesis, this interpretation. Where did that come from?
Speaker 2: I'm curious. Genesis from the talent maybe no of what tal.
Speaker 1: No, the Christian Bible. Okay, read Genesis for yourself.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And when you forgive your mother for turning against your father,
Speaker 1: imposed her will on you when you were a kid,
Speaker 1: traumatizing you.
Speaker 2: Did this happen to you? Let me just say this first.
Speaker 1: Traumatizing you when you forgive her because she couldn't help herself,
Speaker 1: Her mother did it to her.
Speaker 2: Even when your wife.
Speaker 1: When we forgive our mothers who could help them to
Speaker 1: their mother did it to them. And it goes on
Speaker 1: from generation to generation. To you forgive, then God will
Speaker 1: forgive you, and he would change it. He would change
Speaker 1: from this nature of satan. He would change your heart
Speaker 1: from hate to love, and then you would love God
Speaker 1: with all your heart soul. They might and they love
Speaker 1: everybody with the love that God loves you, But you
Speaker 1: got to forgive your mother and your father. Your mother
Speaker 1: for not I mean your father for not protecting you
Speaker 1: from her. He couldn't help it because he married his mother.
Speaker 1: You married what you hate.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened to every human being on the planet.
Speaker 2: Okay, But.
Speaker 3: When you read the Bible, did that resonate with you
Speaker 3: because that was your experience growing up?
Speaker 2: Is that what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: No, I read the Bible because I was allowed to
Speaker 1: see it by God that you had to forgive. You
Speaker 1: got to forgive your mother because they couldn't help him.
Speaker 1: Mothers don't have love, they only have hate. That's why
Speaker 1: you're jealous of the children and the father.
Speaker 2: Where did you come up with that?
Speaker 1: I read Jennison and let me know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because some time read Jennison and then let me know
Speaker 1: that's not true. And forgiving your mother. Hey, mother, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry for resenting you. I realized now you couldn't help yourself.
Speaker 1: And I'm wrong but judging you because I have the
Speaker 1: same thing going on with me too.
Speaker 2: Do you know who Yakouba is? Yakoub? Do you do
Speaker 2: you think God is yakoop y'all? Cool? Is that a
Speaker 2: black name. Yeah, I have no idea. Do you think
Speaker 2: he was a black guy?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 2: No? Okay, you think he's black? Well, I mean you
Speaker 2: know about You don't know about Yakoub. You never heard that? Okay,
Speaker 2: you should look into that.
Speaker 1: Is he a black person? Do you think God is black?
Speaker 2: Are you joking? No? No? Are you white? Jewish? Me?
Speaker 2: I don't know my DNA. I might be Jewish?
Speaker 1: Dude? Do you think are you joking? I can't tell
Speaker 1: if you're joking or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm trying to figure out because a lot of
Speaker 3: what you said kind of sounds like it resonates with
Speaker 3: the teaching of Yakoub because he created us in a
Speaker 3: certain way, And it sounds like that kind of a story,
Speaker 3: like Yakub created white people as an experiment, And what
Speaker 3: you're saying kind of sounds in the same vein of
Speaker 3: the way you would read Genesis.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to figure out. Oh no, you're
Speaker 2: not familiar with that at all? Not zero?
Speaker 1: So that are you into politics to a degree? Did
Speaker 1: you vote with the Great White.
Speaker 2: Hope h Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Yes, Kamala some people, some people call him amazing, right,
Speaker 1: what matter of mad? Is this the wind edity obeys
Speaker 1: him Donald Trump, some people call him king and they
Speaker 1: whole rout.
Speaker 2: Uh huh. The key Hindu people thought he was God
Speaker 2: and some people call him daddy. Yeah, but I called
Speaker 2: him the Great White Hope. Okay, did you vote for him? Trump?
Speaker 1: What do you think about the work he's doing?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: What do you think about? How how's he doing? I
Speaker 2: would give him a D minus to a C meeting?
Speaker 2: What why solo?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Warp speed was a failure? Uh, that was nonsense.
Speaker 3: The Iran war was contrary to what he campaigned on.
Speaker 3: Those are the two big ones that come and then
Speaker 3: not releasing all the Epstein falls after saying that he
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Those are the three things that come to mind. Those
Speaker 2: are big failures.
Speaker 1: And so because you disagree with those three things, you
Speaker 1: only give him a B minors.
Speaker 2: Really, because those are pretty big things.
Speaker 1: What does he have to do to get back up
Speaker 1: to a A because at the beginning to gave him
Speaker 1: by a right before he.
Speaker 3: Started when he in this this round, he started off
Speaker 3: strong the second round, yeah, very much, and now he's
Speaker 3: kind of trailed off.
Speaker 1: But it's not over yet and it won't be over
Speaker 1: till the fat lady scenes true, So you got that's right?
Speaker 2: What a mess?
Speaker 1: Thank God when you get hurt over, we're a mess.
Speaker 1: Just hold on. You're going to see some amazing things coming.
Speaker 2: And what makes you say that?
Speaker 1: Because Donald Trump, it is very Donald Trump is of love,
Speaker 1: real love and love don't fail.
Speaker 2: So don't worry.
Speaker 1: You're going to be smiling and you're gonna give him a.
Speaker 2: Back, I hope.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and then what about after the Trump?
Speaker 2: Like, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have a wait to see. You're right about that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes think about that, but I have a wait to
Speaker 1: see about it. Yeah, I'm just trying to see what's
Speaker 1: happening now. I live now, But I know what you mean.
Speaker 1: That has crossed my mind too, but I have a
Speaker 1: wait to see about it. So are you happy that
Speaker 1: he's depointed the aliens?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not like it needs to be. It
Speaker 2: needs to be more more. And also we need no immigration.
Speaker 2: I think we don't need any more people on there.
Speaker 1: We don't need Baddoor integration or front door exactly.
Speaker 2: I totally agree. Man, we had enough people. We had enough.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the fact that white people,
Speaker 1: and especially if white men, are the most hated species
Speaker 1: in their own country. We think about that.
Speaker 3: It's a It's an interesting struggle because I first encountered
Speaker 3: that in college. When I went to college as an undergrad,
Speaker 3: I had a lot of crazy leftist professors. And the
Speaker 3: weirdest part was when I had an advisor. He was
Speaker 3: an older white dude, and even he was a crazy
Speaker 3: liberal guy, but he said, I'm going to tell you
Speaker 3: right now, if you try to go into academia and
Speaker 3: being a professor as a straight white male, they're not
Speaker 3: gonna want you. And he told me that in the
Speaker 3: two thousands, So that kind of soured me on academia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've I felt that before.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people did, like in the
Speaker 3: normal workforce, you know what I mean, like people who
Speaker 3: go to nine to five job and they have an
Speaker 3: HR person that's pushing the DEI stuff. So I kind
Speaker 3: of felt it a little bit before other people did
Speaker 3: in academia. But I think it's crazy, but it's by design.
Speaker 3: I think I think it is yea, And.
Speaker 1: What is it like being to discriminated against? I tell
Speaker 1: people white people a under genocide right now in America.
Speaker 1: They just don't seem to realize, right but they are
Speaker 1: under general What is the light being beat it this
Speaker 1: way in your own country? Because with white people, there
Speaker 1: will be no America. There will be no for these
Speaker 1: people to come and attack white people. What is it
Speaker 1: like living with that.
Speaker 3: It's a struggle, it's tough, but it's also I think
Speaker 3: we as a people are able to rise to the occasion.
Speaker 2: I think that we'll make it, will survive, the white
Speaker 2: people will.
Speaker 3: I think that enough people are beginning to kind of
Speaker 3: wake up to realize that, you know, no people group
Speaker 3: should be eradicated, and that includes white people. So whether
Speaker 3: it's Arab people and we've heard forever right like, oh
Speaker 3: it's you know, Middle Eastern wars and all this stuff,
Speaker 3: it's it's anti Arab, it's hatred of Arab Muslim People's okay, Well,
Speaker 3: if it's wrong to hate people, then we shouldn't have
Speaker 3: people colonizing America, right because that's hatred of white people, right.
Speaker 2: And the people say, what we were coming here? We
Speaker 2: hate white people.
Speaker 3: So yeah, if it's wrong to hate a race, then
Speaker 3: it's also wrong to hate white people.
Speaker 1: When I was growing up, don't very short. When I
Speaker 1: was growing up, I grew up under the zebra colaw
Speaker 1: and artists stuff under what Jim Crow, Jim Crow down
Speaker 1: in Sweet Home, Alabama.
Speaker 2: I'm tensee.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And life was amazing then.
Speaker 2: Jim Crow is a whiskey, right, it's a.
Speaker 1: It maybe now, but at the time it was a
Speaker 1: white man and they made his laws in him. But
Speaker 1: at the time there, even though they were the gymical laws,
Speaker 1: white people and black people got along just fine.
Speaker 2: They really did.
Speaker 1: Those that wanted to talk to each other, they did it,
Speaker 1: then didn't but no big deal. And black people were independent.
Speaker 1: They were now relying on some black leaders or anyone
Speaker 1: else to tell them what to do. They had the parents,
Speaker 1: they had businesses, they worked, They're in their own thing.
Speaker 1: They lost that as a result of the Civil rights
Speaker 1: movement and all that stuff, right, and then they started
Speaker 1: to force black people and white people to live together
Speaker 1: all that. Bet, you can't make anyone love you. It
Speaker 1: has to happen naturally. But I know for a fact,
Speaker 1: during those days, white people were strong. They were not afraid.
Speaker 1: They spoke up. Why did they lose that courage that
Speaker 1: they had before the Civil rights movement?
Speaker 3: I think that the sixties civil rights movements were engineered
Speaker 3: to brainwash a generation into believing that everybody is identical,
Speaker 3: everybody's the same. You have to believe everybody's the same,
Speaker 3: and if you don't, then you're evil, and nobody wants
Speaker 3: They were brainwashed to not want to be an outsider,
Speaker 3: to go against the grain. But all the education system
Speaker 3: was already subverted to get people to believe that. So
Speaker 3: I think it was engineered, and a lot of Marxists
Speaker 3: and a lot of socialists pushed that in the sixties.
Speaker 1: Why don't white people throw all the people out of
Speaker 1: their country, the blast and everybody. Why do they let
Speaker 1: them stay?
Speaker 3: Because there's an entrenched political bureaucratic class and a deep
Speaker 3: state that has power that they can't overcome.
Speaker 2: What a mess. Uh, it is a mess.
Speaker 1: It's all they go to get worse.
Speaker 2: Probably probably by the way. My grandmother was a Southern
Speaker 2: Belt and she had a mammy.
Speaker 1: A naddy, a mammy, a mammy right on.
Speaker 3: Then everybody got along, Yeah, and it was they lie
Speaker 3: about what was happening.
Speaker 1: Then they make up lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: When I was I was there, it wasn't true.
Speaker 3: When I was in college, my American history class, even
Speaker 3: at a liberal state university, we had to watch a
Speaker 3: series of interviews with the last generation of blacks that
Speaker 3: had lived under slavery, and they were interviewing these people.
Speaker 3: This was it was like an interview from the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties or seventies, right, So the people that were like
Speaker 3: eighty ninety years old, okay, and they were interviewing people
Speaker 3: that had lived under slavery, and they said, what was
Speaker 3: it like?
Speaker 2: Were you whipped every day? And there's a black man
Speaker 2: said the old black man said, no, it wasn't that bad, really, and.
Speaker 3: Everybody was wanting them to say it was awful, and
Speaker 3: it was. I'm not pro slavery, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 3: they just lie about history.
Speaker 1: Why you're not pro slavery?
Speaker 3: I think that, I mean, it's a better situation where
Speaker 3: if you can have a meritocracy then to have slavery.
Speaker 1: So what's wrong with the blacks?
Speaker 2: Black people? Yeah, what's wrong with them? A combination of things.
Speaker 3: Probably they were given thug culture by MTV and establishment
Speaker 3: on purpose to mess them up. Because there was periods
Speaker 3: when black people, like in the forties and fifties, were
Speaker 3: doing well. They had businesses, they were educated, but then
Speaker 3: they started giving them this Jesse Jackson and all those
Speaker 3: people too listening to these faiths people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, people, yeah, and really quick. And then I
Speaker 2: got to put you on the high seat.
Speaker 1: What's the solution to August.
Speaker 2: Christ?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you can't just do political solutions. Politics is interesting, but.
Speaker 3: It's not going to save the culture and the people.
Speaker 2: What a mess? Huh, it's a mess. So I got
Speaker 2: to put you on the okay, and I need you
Speaker 2: to answer these questions as quickly as possible with with
Speaker 2: one word, like a full answer. You want to.
Speaker 1: My dream team is Donald Trump, Netti, Yahoo and potent.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me that the other dream team? No?
Speaker 2: What is a man? What is a man?
Speaker 1: What is a man?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: A man is uh? Strong?
Speaker 3: Leader, independent, creative, decisive, fit, healthy.
Speaker 2: Beautiful like myself? A diva an e diva like myself?
Speaker 1: Which is worth? Abortional slavery?
Speaker 2: Which is worse?
Speaker 1: Which is worse? Abortional slavery?
Speaker 2: Abortion is worse because it's murder.
Speaker 1: Could we give the blacks reparation?
Speaker 2: No? Because there's no way to figure out how to
Speaker 2: tabulate that.
Speaker 1: What is love?
Speaker 2: Love is to treat other people as you would want
Speaker 2: to be treated. What is a woman?
Speaker 3: A woman is a biological female who is created to
Speaker 3: be a companion to a man.
Speaker 1: Have you ever told anyone how to cow ate the cabbage?
Speaker 3: That sounds more like a boomer cliche. So no, I'm
Speaker 3: not a boomer. I don't know this.
Speaker 1: You from yourself. You had to hear that growing up.
Speaker 1: I told that aboutw to Cali hate the cabin, meaning
Speaker 1: that they went off on him.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Which would you rather see as president sam Hi ni
Speaker 1: Kenye West of being Shaperia.
Speaker 2: Sam Hi? Because I write for sam Hi? Right?
Speaker 1: Do you love the Jews?
Speaker 3: I love all people and that includes Jewish people.
Speaker 2: Sure? Do you love the Jews?
Speaker 3: I love Jewish people like all people, because we want
Speaker 3: all people to become Christian.
Speaker 2: And do you love the Jews for the third time? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is this like Peter's like when Jesus asked Peter three times?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's the earth flat around.
Speaker 3: I'm an agnostic. I don't have any opinion on it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever tasted something that was so good? May
Speaker 1: you want to slap your mama?
Speaker 3: And Jemima Syrup a ufo is real another freaking gay
Speaker 3: true of false.
Speaker 1: When she's crying, she's lying false, But sometimes true is
Speaker 1: it ever okay to call the woman fat.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call my wife fat, but I would call
Speaker 3: public fat women fat.
Speaker 1: So it is okay to call women fat. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: okay at time. Yeah, okay, sure you love white people. Yes,
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Speaker 3: So I wrote three books on Hollywood. I wrote other
Speaker 3: books on philosophy and stuff. But the newest book is
Speaker 3: Esoteric Hollywood Part three, and I go through and kind
Speaker 3: of decode the symbolism and a lot of films, a
Speaker 3: lot of critique it from a Christian perspective, that kind
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Speaker 1: You do you do a podcast too, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I'm on YouTube, Jadier, you can find me on Twitter
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