Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's
Speaker 1: Beech Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, we have reached the eleven o'clock hour, and I
Speaker 2: understand that a federal judge today has denied an urgent
Speaker 2: request by governor This, according to KTLA in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: has denied an urgent request by Governor Gavin Newsom and
Speaker 2: California Attorney General Rob Bonta to stop what they call
Speaker 2: the unlawful militarization of Los Angeles by the Trump administration
Speaker 2: over its immigration raids and subsequent protests. The ruling issue
Speaker 2: just hours at the state of California filed a temporary
Speaker 2: restraining order to block Trump in the US Department of
Speaker 2: Defense from expanding the current mission of National Guard personnel
Speaker 2: and marines in Los Angeles. US District Judge Charles Bryer,
Speaker 2: the brother of former US Supreme Court Justice Steven also
Speaker 2: granted the Trump administration's request for more time to respond
Speaker 2: to the governor's filing. Hearing of that matter was scheduled
Speaker 2: for Thursday. The bottom line here is from where I'm sitting,
Speaker 2: and I'm more than happy to criticize the Trump administration,
Speaker 2: but it appears to me that for several days, the
Speaker 2: police department in Los Angeles was overwhelmed by the protesters.
Speaker 2: I heard today that on an average night in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: and of course nightfall is now coming to the West Coast,
Speaker 2: there are as many as six thousand demonstrators in the streets. Now,
Speaker 2: I've watched the video on the major networks, on the
Speaker 2: cable stations, and I want to tell you what I
Speaker 2: have seen. Okay, I can't tell you that I've watched
Speaker 2: every broadcast, because I would be I would be disingenuous
Speaker 2: if I told you that. But I have watched enough
Speaker 2: enough to give you my impression. And my impression is
Speaker 2: that the crazies on the left have decided that this
Speaker 2: is the moment to try to recreate the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: Summer of Love, when cities like Seattle and Portland, Oregon
Speaker 2: were under siege, when federal buildings were badly damaged, when
Speaker 2: a police station in Minneapolis was burned to the ground,
Speaker 2: when literally businesses were destroyed. And I think that the
Speaker 2: Trump administration made a decision that the Los Angeles Police
Speaker 2: Department couldn't handle the situation, and they did decide to
Speaker 2: federalize the National Guard, the California National Guard. It's been
Speaker 2: done before in this country, and it's interesting to hear
Speaker 2: the Democratic officials, including the mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass,
Speaker 2: to argue about states rights. Sounded to me like the
Speaker 2: same argument that the racist Democratic governors of the Deep South,
Speaker 2: Les Dramatics and Orville Farbas and George Wallace and others
Speaker 2: for many years used that. They were arguing that the
Speaker 2: ninth and tenth Amendment would override any decision by the
Speaker 2: federal government. So Trump sent in the National Guard, and
Speaker 2: that seems to have a quieted things down. Now you
Speaker 2: have of Governor Newsom, who obviously is looking at this as,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, a way in which he can perhaps
Speaker 2: start his presidential campaign in twenty twenty eight. And Rob,
Speaker 2: I do have some some soundbites I'd like to play
Speaker 2: here for you, just for them for my audience. But
Speaker 2: this is Governor Newsom saying, I think making an outrageous statement.
Speaker 2: This is a nine seconds it's cut number seven, Rob,
Speaker 2: in which well, I want Governor Newsom to speak for himself.
Speaker 2: He's not pulling any sort of a punch here. I
Speaker 2: think he's engaging in hyperbole that is way over the top.
Speaker 2: Cut number seven Governor Gavin Newsom of it. We'll hold
Speaker 2: up everybody to a higher level accountability. But that's not
Speaker 2: what Trump is after. He's not for peacemaking. He's here
Speaker 2: for war. He wants a civil war on the street.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, okay, Now, if you agree with Governor Newsom,
Speaker 2: tell me how that comment is helpful. You have a
Speaker 2: bunch of crazy, crazy extremist on the left, just like
Speaker 2: we had crazy extremists on the right on January sixth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, who decided they would take it upon
Speaker 2: themselves to invade the US capital, and they were convinced
Speaker 2: that they dressed up in paramilitary gear and all of that.
Speaker 2: And Donald Trump, I think was wrong not to call
Speaker 2: off those dogs quicker on that day than he did.
Speaker 2: And I think that Donald Trump was wrong when he
Speaker 2: pardoned all of them. Were there some individuals within that
Speaker 2: group when the fish, when the net came out, that
Speaker 2: were older people who who were not engaged in physical action,
Speaker 2: who might have been deserving of a pardon based upon
Speaker 2: the specific circumstances of their conviction. Yeah, yeah, But a
Speaker 2: blanket pardon for the j six protesters, including some of
Speaker 2: the Proud Boys who are now suing the federal government.
Speaker 2: Give me a break. So this is Newsom playing to
Speaker 2: his extreme extremists, and he's hoping that this does end
Speaker 2: up in some sort of a repeat, if you will,
Speaker 2: of twenty the summer of the Summer of Love. Twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Newsom could have called out the National Guard in California
Speaker 2: to support the overmatched Los Angeles Police department, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: So Donald Trump did. And I think that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: was was did the right thing in this situation. Okay,
Speaker 2: you have federal officers and I guess there's going to
Speaker 2: be all sorts of protests this weekend, which is fine. Okay,
Speaker 2: there was an election last November, and I think that
Speaker 2: the vast majority of American citizens who who decided that
Speaker 2: on that issue immigration decided to vote for Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But put all that aside. It wasn't a mandate. He
Speaker 2: did have a mandate. He won an election. Now he's
Speaker 2: doing what I think the majority of American people want.
Speaker 2: Not everyone, not everyone, but he needs to make sure
Speaker 2: that his and I have criticized his ice officers who
Speaker 2: have gone overboard with some of their arrest We don't
Speaker 2: need to be they don't need to be arresting eighteen
Speaker 2: years rolled high school students from Milford who were brought
Speaker 2: here as children. They do not need to be arresting
Speaker 2: graduate students from the Middle East who are studying at
Speaker 2: Tufts University because on the pretense they vote, they wrote
Speaker 2: some sort of a an editorial. It was like ninth
Speaker 2: grade quality writing. That's it. They could have arrested it
Speaker 2: for being a poor writer, but you know that's that's
Speaker 2: still not a crime. So I'd love to know who
Speaker 2: you're rooting for here. Are you rooting for what the Republicans,
Speaker 2: what the Trump administration is doing, or do you think
Speaker 2: Governor Newsom has taken the high road? Basically, Trump has
Speaker 2: sidelined Newsom in his own state. Now, I think that
Speaker 2: Newsom would have been very smart if, as a Democrat
Speaker 2: he said, We're not going to stand by and watch
Speaker 2: police cards burn. We're not going to stand by and
Speaker 2: watch businesses burn. We're not going to stand by and
Speaker 2: watch people assault of federal officers who are doing their job.
Speaker 2: We might disagree with the job, but they are there
Speaker 2: acting legally. We will challenge legally. But that was not
Speaker 2: what Newsom decided to do. And I think Newsom has
Speaker 2: written his own political obituary. If you agree, that's great.
Speaker 2: If you disagree, that's even better. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine three one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back on nights Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the phones, and again, this
Speaker 2: is a subject that I think is very important. There
Speaker 2: was a demonstration in Boston yesterday on City Hall Plaza,
Speaker 2: actually I think at the JFK building spilled over on
Speaker 2: the City Hall Plaza. There was a demonstration that I
Speaker 2: saw tonight up at the State House on one of
Speaker 2: the local new stations. From what I could tell, yesterday's
Speaker 2: was completely peaceful. People said what they wanted to say.
Speaker 2: They expressed their opinion, which is what we support. The
Speaker 2: demonstration outside of the State House today may have spilled
Speaker 2: onto Beacon Street, but I don't know that there was
Speaker 2: any uh. And I'll be checking as I talk to
Speaker 2: you in the next hour to if I need to
Speaker 2: correct myself, I will. But so far, at least in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: demonstrations have been what they are intended to be demonstrations.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: In Los Angeles, that's not a demonstration. That's a riot.
Speaker 2: Six thirty got a couple of lines there, and they
Speaker 2: got a couple of lines at six one, seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Again, you are invited wherever you're listening. Obviously
Speaker 2: we're a Boston based and a New England based radio station,
Speaker 2: but at this point our signal now is getting across
Speaker 2: the country, and of course on the internet, we are everywhere.
Speaker 2: Your point of view is welcome. Join the conversation. Let's
Speaker 2: go to will and Long Island. Will you your thoughts welcome,
Speaker 2: You're bat you next on Nightside.
Speaker 4: I have a couple thoughts, but I'm generally somewhat conflicted,
Speaker 4: but in this circumstance, not necessarily, especially given the history
Speaker 4: of California and Los Angeles, right, especially given the history
Speaker 4: under this president. Right, We've seen many times, probably in
Speaker 4: the past, not just under this president's presidency in his
Speaker 4: last presidency, but many times in the past that presidents
Speaker 4: should have done this, especially in California. So this isn't
Speaker 4: the first time, right. The I do have, you know,
Speaker 4: obviously some concerns about limiting free speech. Ever, but like
Speaker 4: you said, this is it's more than a riot, and
Speaker 4: with the history, I think this president, and it does
Speaker 4: have the fear that we could see what happened in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty all over again. You know, they're all the
Speaker 4: warning signs are there. That's what they want to do.
Speaker 4: That's what they want to do for the entire course
Speaker 4: of his presidency. Places like California, Seattle, and that entire
Speaker 4: West coast.
Speaker 2: We remember will they had in Seattle the autonomous zones
Speaker 2: where you know, and and there were two they actually
Speaker 2: didn't allow the police and they were two young black
Speaker 2: teenagers who had that in Chazz. Yeah, but there were
Speaker 2: two kids who went in there out of curiosity and
Speaker 2: they ended.
Speaker 1: Up being killed and died.
Speaker 4: Right because because the definition of an insurrection is when
Speaker 4: you take over an area by force and you do
Speaker 4: not allow the government or emergency services or anything to function. Literally,
Speaker 4: the definition of an insurrection happened in Chazz and in Minnesota,
Speaker 4: in the area where George Floyd was. So they had
Speaker 4: no go zones in plenty of areas in this country,
Speaker 4: even in New York over here in for a little while,
Speaker 4: there was right in these spots where police were not
Speaker 4: allowed in right, they had these rioters and insurrectionists lock
Speaker 4: police inside of police stations while they tried to set
Speaker 4: them on fire. And then the media told me it
Speaker 4: was an autonomous zone. But I watched a four hour
Speaker 4: riot happen at the capitol, and I understand your position
Speaker 4: on that. We differ a little bit about that. But
Speaker 4: I watched a four hour riot at the capitol happen,
Speaker 4: and I was told from that day forward, January sixth
Speaker 4: was an insurrection. That was an insurrection. But the actual
Speaker 4: textbook definition that I watched in front of my face,
Speaker 4: which is why words have meanings, which is why all
Speaker 4: of these things the Left tries to do, and then
Speaker 4: we brush it off as, oh, you know, it's just
Speaker 4: the war of words is important because words have legal meanings,
Speaker 4: and if they could confuse you and befuddle you and
Speaker 4: get your mind melted and turn our intellectuals into soft
Speaker 4: headed intellectuals in academia, that's how you wind up being
Speaker 4: able to pass off what happened in Chas as an
Speaker 4: autonomous zone and what happened on January sixth as an insurrection,
Speaker 4: and they are literally the exact opposite of that. Oh
Speaker 4: and by the way, if the President had used the
Speaker 4: Insurrection Act on January sixth, by the time he got
Speaker 4: the National Guard up, it was over. It was over
Speaker 4: before you could even get the National Guard up.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem, and again I don't want
Speaker 2: to get into the into the semantics here. I don't
Speaker 2: have a problem when you look at people who were
Speaker 2: smashing Capitol police officers over the head and basically taking
Speaker 2: over offices, Speaker Pelosi's office, taking over Senate chambers. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to quibble over whether that was a
Speaker 2: riot or an insurrection. Clearly was a riot, there's no
Speaker 2: question about that. But you've got to understand the mind
Speaker 2: of the people who were going in there. And again,
Speaker 2: I don't want to get tied up on this. Will
Speaker 2: the difference that you and I might have. I'm willing
Speaker 2: to call what happened in Washington on January sixth a
Speaker 2: riot or an attempted insurrection, and I think I can
Speaker 2: defend that legally and definitionally. But I think what we're not.
Speaker 4: Gonna I'm not going to get into our differences on it,
Speaker 4: but I will say this, the reason I can't call
Speaker 4: it an insurrection in my mind is because there was
Speaker 4: no intention to take over, and it certainly was not helped. Okay,
Speaker 4: A riot breaks out and things happened. Maybe some people
Speaker 4: wanted to do some bad things, and a blanket pardon
Speaker 4: for what happened that day I don't think was proper okay,
Speaker 4: because there are some people that should be serving jail
Speaker 4: time for what they had done.
Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, again, no sense of us getting bogged down there.
Speaker 2: And all I'm your saying is that let's focus on
Speaker 2: what's happening. When I watched hold on just for what.
Speaker 2: Let me just make a quick points when when I
Speaker 2: watched over the weekend, and I'm sure you're gonna agree
Speaker 2: with me in this. When I watched one police cars
Speaker 2: being stoned police cars driving, I had no idea where
Speaker 2: they were driving to, but there was a line of
Speaker 2: police cars and guys just picking up boulders, rocks and
Speaker 2: firing them at cars as they went by. When I
Speaker 2: saw police cars being burned, when I saw people waving
Speaker 2: Mexican flags. When I listened to someone today on CNN,
Speaker 2: I was listening and they were trying to give me
Speaker 2: a history lesson on how that Mexico used to own
Speaker 2: the country of Mexico, used to California used to be
Speaker 2: part of the country of Mexico, and we somehow took Mexico.
Speaker 2: We took California and Arizona and New Mexico from New Mexico.
Speaker 2: So therefore the implication was we should be waving Mexican flags.
Speaker 2: Are you nuts? You want to have a war between
Speaker 2: Mexico and California and the United States of America.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you couldn't even take that. We took you the
Speaker 4: alum all with a couple of handful of guys. There's
Speaker 4: not going to be a war obviously with Mexico, say.
Speaker 2: Used a lot of the rhetoric here. People have to
Speaker 2: get rid of the rhetoric and look at the reality.
Speaker 2: What he saw over the weekend had to be addressed
Speaker 2: because if it hadn't been addressed, it would have gotten worse.
Speaker 2: And again, you want to have riots, and you want
Speaker 2: to have police cars burned in the streets, and you
Speaker 2: want to have drivers of automobiles prevented from from conducting
Speaker 2: the day to day business.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: Just And the amazing part about this is that governors
Speaker 4: and mayors in cities like this and in New York
Speaker 4: and at times in Boston, Okay, and in these bastions
Speaker 4: of left wing ideology, for them not to be doing
Speaker 4: their job and protecting the general public is literally a
Speaker 4: dereliction of duty. Okay, so not only to say don't
Speaker 4: send in the National Guard, to not be calling for
Speaker 4: it yourself, to protect your other constituents, not those rabid
Speaker 4: left wing nut jobs. Is now here Gavin for one second, though,
Speaker 4: I will say one thing about Gavin. Gavin has been
Speaker 4: getting a lot of flack for his move to the center.
Speaker 4: Obviously obviously the position himself for the next run. Okay,
Speaker 4: this is his move, right, He's right, but this is
Speaker 4: the area where I think he thinks he can go
Speaker 4: move left again, get some support of some of these people,
Speaker 4: and maybe three years from now the centrists forget that
Speaker 4: he did this at this time, Okay, because whoever makes
Speaker 4: the move to the center is who's going to win
Speaker 4: the election. That's how you do it, right, And I
Speaker 4: think he wants to for the you know, for the
Speaker 4: transgenders and women's sports and these other issues. He said, listen,
Speaker 4: we're losing the middle class, we're losing the blue collar worker.
Speaker 4: We're losing these people. They're trying to make a push
Speaker 4: to get them back. But right now, at this moment,
Speaker 4: he's trying to cater and candle to the base right
Speaker 4: and get them all fired up again and then get
Speaker 4: everybody hating Trump. He's going to find out this will backfire.
Speaker 4: I agree with you on that too. Thanks, so let
Speaker 4: me call that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Appreciate Tom, Thanks will appreciated much. Back to you soon.
Speaker 2: You have a great one. Tim is in Mouber and Tim,
Speaker 2: you're next on Nightside, go right ahead.
Speaker 3: Then.
Speaker 5: I couldn't agree with you more that way. In January
Speaker 5: sixth were riots.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're well, they're riots. And as they say, I
Speaker 2: think that there were people in January sixth who were figuring, somehow,
Speaker 2: in their perverted view of the world, that that somehow
Speaker 2: this was going to ignite a revolution across the country
Speaker 2: and that Donald Trump was going to be returned to
Speaker 2: the White House. And it didn't happen. I mean, it
Speaker 2: just didn't happen, and it was never going to happen.
Speaker 5: Based on it in that way. The burning, the burning,
Speaker 5: cause they got people there that are causing the trouble.
Speaker 5: Is it being paid the criminals. There's people there that
Speaker 5: are being paid in their criminals. There are cause trouble,
Speaker 5: it's out of control.
Speaker 2: I also think that this is going to be a
Speaker 2: little different from twenty twenty. In twenty twenty, a lot
Speaker 2: of people got away with a lot of really bad stuff, okay,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of tolerated because there was a
Speaker 2: sympathy abroad in the land for what happened to George Floyd.
Speaker 2: Rightfully so. However, however, right now, when you see I
Speaker 2: looked at videos today these punks, young punks, and I
Speaker 2: don't know if they were twenty or thirty or forty
Speaker 2: or fifty, but they were punks whatever. The age was
Speaker 2: masked up, and they had cinderblocks, pieces of cinderblocks, and
Speaker 2: as these vehicles ice vehicles were driving by at a
Speaker 2: high rate of speed by the way, it looked like
Speaker 2: they were heading somewhere to support, they're firing rocks at
Speaker 2: these cars from ten feet away right.
Speaker 5: Also, also they're getting on top of bridges and they're
Speaker 5: dropping them down on cos right on civilian cars, on
Speaker 5: civilian cos of punks, young punks.
Speaker 2: That's as far as I'm concerned. You drop a cinder
Speaker 2: block on top of an automobile on the one on one,
Speaker 2: and whatever they call it out, I think it's the
Speaker 2: one on one that's a tempted murder. As far as
Speaker 2: I'm concerned. That's an attempted murder, okay, and I hope
Speaker 2: that the Justice Department throws the book at these folks
Speaker 2: because that's what they deserve.
Speaker 5: That's what they andy out. By the way, I tell all,
Speaker 5: my friend, so listen to night Side.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you much, Tim. I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2: You're a man in Rubrin, that's for sure. We'll talk soon, okay, friend,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon, buddy, Dan, You're welcome. We got
Speaker 2: to break at the bottom of the ar and I
Speaker 2: got some open lines, which always troubles me because if
Speaker 2: you disagree with me, and you think what's going on
Speaker 2: in California and Los Angeles tonight is free speech, pure
Speaker 2: free speech, and you want to make that argument something
Speaker 2: you want to associate yourself with. You can disagree with
Speaker 2: Trump all you want on this program, absolutely, and I'll
Speaker 2: join you in a lot of that disagreement. But I
Speaker 2: will be in very strongly against any suggestion that these
Speaker 2: folks are engaging in legitimate protests. They are engaged in riots.
Speaker 2: And the only way to deal with riots is to
Speaker 2: one stop the riot number one and number two, find
Speaker 2: the people who were engaged in that activity and prosecute
Speaker 2: them to the fullest extent of the law. There's no
Speaker 2: other options available. The only lines open right now are
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Uh, everything
Speaker 2: else is full. I got two lines at six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Fill them up. We were going to talk
Speaker 2: tonight about a Globe Boston Globe Suffolk University poll tomorrow
Speaker 2: which I believe see in the Globe, which is going
Speaker 2: to show that voters in New Hampshire, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island,
Speaker 2: three New England states are not happy at all with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and they're not happy with Democrats. This might
Speaker 2: be an election here where there are some upsets, so
Speaker 2: maybe this sets the table for twenty twenty eight. So
Speaker 2: we were going to talk about that tonight, but I've
Speaker 2: gone right to the LA riots, which are again there's
Speaker 2: activity on the streets. I can't follow that. But if
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Speaker 3: How you doing, Dan F.
Speaker 2: Patrick? Hope you are as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know when I see this thing, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just funny. Over like the last ten years, you
Speaker 3: see the same formula rollout over and over and over
Speaker 3: again from the left, and you see that you see
Speaker 3: that there's this sort of flow where there's a provocation created,
Speaker 3: like throwing cinder blocks at at federal agents, which is
Speaker 3: attempted murder. We've seen in Massachusetts, kids on the side
Speaker 3: of the road, standing at bridge passes. I'm sure you've
Speaker 3: you've heard up covered these stories, people throwing rocks off,
Speaker 3: going through the windshield and actually killing people. I think
Speaker 3: there was one on Route ninety three, maybe ten or
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago. It's attempted murder, flat out, flat out,
Speaker 3: no question. And we see we see. The thing that
Speaker 3: I've noticed over the years is that there's been a
Speaker 3: media structure without with the exception of Fox and places
Speaker 3: like you, that has covered the story in such a
Speaker 3: way as to punish the responders. So there's a provocation
Speaker 3: of like the federal government enforce in the law and
Speaker 3: then people oppose it violently, and then CNN and Boston Globe,
Speaker 3: New York Times cover stories about how bad the responders are,
Speaker 3: and they cover it ad nauseum, day in, day out,
Speaker 3: over and over and over again, bashing the good guys,
Speaker 3: bashing the good guys, bashing the good guys, until low
Speaker 3: information voters who aren't paying attention actually believe that the
Speaker 3: good guys are the bad guys. And I think this
Speaker 3: is something I've seen over the years, and I think
Speaker 3: that this is being a fashion. I think, you know,
Speaker 3: I read one time I saw a guy you might know.
Speaker 3: I think his name is Berliner from NPI is about
Speaker 3: for years. He's a member of the media for probably
Speaker 3: the last thirty forty years, and he left NPR maybe
Speaker 3: a year or two ago.
Speaker 2: As a guy named Berlin. Is that who you're talking about?
Speaker 3: I think so, yeah, I think that's his first name.
Speaker 3: But I remember his last thing is like Berliner was
Speaker 3: he went on he went on U, he went on
Speaker 3: a show with h Uh, this reporter who covered what,
Speaker 3: you know, his departure from NPR and when he looked
Speaker 3: at NPR of Washington. This is a direct quote.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: In d C, where MPR is headquartered, many of us
Speaker 3: live I found eighty seven registered Democrats working in editorial
Speaker 3: positions and zero Republicans.
Speaker 5: None.
Speaker 3: That is Berliner, who's a far more credible guy than
Speaker 3: I am want to I think over the last thirty years,
Speaker 3: probably a guy as esteemed as you in the press
Speaker 3: as somebody who's who's whose credentials can't be can't be
Speaker 3: even questioned. And so what happens is that that you
Speaker 3: have this massive bite there's just one example. Uh. And
Speaker 3: as a result of this, you have this situation now
Speaker 3: where even today there's this like this legacy where when
Speaker 3: now you see press coverage attacking Trump as if as
Speaker 3: though enforcing the law is this terrible thing. The majority
Speaker 3: of the people in the United States voted for this
Speaker 3: president to enforce immigration laws. And I just find it
Speaker 3: amazing that mayors and governors a major states fill as
Speaker 3: though they can choose which laws they want to abide
Speaker 3: buy and which ones they don't.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a couple of strands to your conversation, A
Speaker 2: couple of strands to your conversation. One. I think ABC
Speaker 2: News Terry Moran proved over the weekend that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people who have posed as being fear reporters
Speaker 2: who once you have you know, once they're allowed to
Speaker 2: to to text or tweet after midnight on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2: He was the reporter and the ABC reporter who's been
Speaker 2: suspended for making some comments about one of Trump's uh
Speaker 2: support of Trump's staff. People got that guy, Steven Miller,
Speaker 2: who I'm not I'm not enthralled by. I think I
Speaker 2: think that Miller comes across as a as a tough guy.
Speaker 2: But whatever. So the one thing I want to mention
Speaker 2: you is that today California judge did not grant the
Speaker 2: Temporaries the t R O requested by Gavin Mill by
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom regarding the administration's deployment of federalized State National
Speaker 2: Guard troops uh in Marines to southern California. Now, the judge,
Speaker 2: Charles Bryer, was appointed by Bill Clinton and Stephen Bryer's brother,
Speaker 2: former US Supreme Court judge, has set a hearing for Thursday.
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is that the standard
Speaker 2: for t R is fairly fairly low in a situation
Speaker 2: like this, and the fact that Judge District Court Judge
Speaker 2: Charles Bryer chose not to enjoin the president certainly augues, well,
Speaker 2: for the administration. The thing that is funny about this, okay,
Speaker 2: is that yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But but the thing that
Speaker 2: is funny about this is that you have the Democrats
Speaker 2: essentially arguing that this is a violation of states' rights,
Speaker 2: that that the federal government does not have a role
Speaker 2: to play here. Uh. And that's to me fascinating because
Speaker 2: that's the argument that conservatives used to use, the strict
Speaker 2: constructionists who had said, you know, rights not given to
Speaker 2: the state, or deny the federal government. And it's also
Speaker 2: the argument states rights argument last really utilized by the
Speaker 2: likes the ilk of George Wallace, Lester Maddox, or Ville Farbis.
Speaker 2: It's like the world has gone crazy. I mean, it's.
Speaker 3: Dan, can I ask you this one question?
Speaker 1: So, so, another another.
Speaker 3: Article I saw on this I just was looking up
Speaker 3: while I was sitting here was an article about the
Speaker 3: Washington Post back in the day where Tony Kornheiser, of
Speaker 3: all people sports colonists, yeah, out of forty nine top editors,
Speaker 3: was the only Republican at the Washington Post in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety all right, so that's thirty five years ago. And
Speaker 3: so this is an ongoing rampant systematic discrimination taking place
Speaker 3: by media organizations across the United States to produce a
Speaker 3: single voice of no dissent. Which is why it's amazing
Speaker 3: you survived in this structure all these years, which is
Speaker 3: why I'm so impressed by you. How you survived this long.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Well. First of all, as a reporter, no one knew
Speaker 2: what my politics were if I could cover anybody, and
Speaker 2: I was thrilled when someone would say to me, we
Speaker 2: watch you on TV for ten years, fifteen years, thirty years,
Speaker 2: twenty years, whatever, we don't know what your politics are.
Speaker 2: I was a reporter, You're not supposed to know my politics.
Speaker 2: Now I'm a commentator, and I'm I think I try
Speaker 2: to look at both sides fairly. Well, I'm Patrick. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time, but I've given you seven minutes
Speaker 2: and I got to run here. I got four folks
Speaker 2: coming up behind you. Thanks Patrick. We will talk soon.
Speaker 2: By the way, Again, the argument, I know sounds like
Speaker 2: a legal argument, but generally it was the Republicans or
Speaker 2: you know who were talking the federal members of the
Speaker 2: Federalist Society who always talking about the value of the
Speaker 2: ninth and tenth amendment, which is fine, but that that
Speaker 2: was last utilized by democratic, racist, democratic governors, and now
Speaker 2: it's being utilized by Governor Newsom, saying essentially, it's a
Speaker 2: state's rights argument. It's it's amazing, and that's I speak
Speaker 2: as a lawyer when I described that to you, and
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court decision dealing with the Arizona case said
Speaker 2: essentially that federal immigration law is reserved for the federal government.
Speaker 2: So I don't see where they go here legally. This time,
Speaker 2: we got four callers. I'm gonna get all of those in.
Speaker 2: Christine and Tom and Donna and Rick. You are all set,
Speaker 2: I promise, but we're gonna have to be quick. I
Speaker 2: gave Patrick much more dime than that I probably should have,
Speaker 2: but it was worth it. We'll be back on Nightside
Speaker 2: right after this quick messages coming back.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to get four in, so everyone's going
Speaker 2: to be quick and Christine's gonna set the standard. Christine
Speaker 2: next on Nightsider, right ahead.
Speaker 5: How are you doing, Dan, I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: Christine. What's your thought on what's going on across the
Speaker 2: country tonight? Apparently there was a city council meeting in
Speaker 2: Worcester that was disrupted by ICE protesters tonight, so that
Speaker 2: we're gonna see more of this in the days ahead.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I thought tonight now on the news that they're gonna
Speaker 7: set a curfew for la tonight eight o'clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that curfew has just passed, And
Speaker 2: I think I think they're doing the right thing because
Speaker 2: I'm concerned. Yeah, they can't let this stuff get out
Speaker 2: of control.
Speaker 7: No, but like, why can't Tho Trump, Why can't he
Speaker 7: make a thing out of the ICE agents to stop
Speaker 7: it all? Why can't he make a point of, you know,
Speaker 7: saying something They just I know they're trying to do
Speaker 7: everything in the right way, but some of it is
Speaker 7: just crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, I think what they need to do is to
Speaker 2: focus on the bad guys and make sure that the
Speaker 2: people who they're picking up. I don't think that it
Speaker 2: helps to pick up an eighteen year old high school
Speaker 2: student from Milford. I don't think. As I've said before,
Speaker 2: it's just bad optics and it's the quote of public opinion.
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe that kid is here illegally. He was
Speaker 2: brought here at the age of five by his parents.
Speaker 2: Deal with that, not now, deal with that at some
Speaker 2: point when you've got the so called bad guys out
Speaker 2: out of the country. That's that was what he was
Speaker 2: elected to do. Well, make a.
Speaker 7: Point of that, Tump, Tump should do something about it.
Speaker 2: Well, I will keep we can keep it here all nights.
Speaker 2: They're going to listen to us. But that's okay, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Do you remember I forget what it was about when
Speaker 7: they were crazy that time in Boston they were brought
Speaker 7: in all the the storas and damage and all to us.
Speaker 7: I forget.
Speaker 2: There was some George Floyd's stuff there also was there
Speaker 2: before that, there was what was called Occupy Wall Street
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 7: So I was talking to I was talking to people
Speaker 7: about this night. What's the point of doing all that?
Speaker 6: I don't What's what's the point.
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of them are anarchists. A lot of
Speaker 2: them are people who just they have nothing and they're anarchists.
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that, Christine. And they they feel
Speaker 2: that they're they're like a kid throwing a temperatentrum. Christine,
Speaker 2: I got three more. I'm gonna try to sneak everybody,
Speaker 2: and thank you much. Talk to you soon. I have
Speaker 2: a great night. Let me go to Donna and framing him. Donnie,
Speaker 2: you gotta be quick for me. I'm sorry, go right ahead, Donna.
Speaker 6: I agree with the bulk of what you're saying. Over
Speaker 6: the last few days, I've had a thought. So yep,
Speaker 6: remember Kent State. I hope that doesn't happen again.
Speaker 2: Absolutely horrific event. Horrific event. And uh you've got to
Speaker 2: control the people who you put out there with with weapons.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even sure that if they have live rounds.
Speaker 2: They they might have uh, you know, pepper spray and
Speaker 2: things like that, and they may they may have bayonets
Speaker 2: in the end of uh you know, guns, weapons, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that they're going to give those
Speaker 2: guys live rounds under the circumstances, because I hope, but.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, go ahead, agree with I remember the iconic
Speaker 6: photo and you must.
Speaker 2: Too, right Oh sure, absolutely, the woman with the out
Speaker 2: stretched over the guy who who has been shocked.
Speaker 6: Oh, that's making me nervous. I hope something like that
Speaker 6: doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: I'm totally with you, Donna. Thank you. I promise I'll
Speaker 2: give you more time next time. I promise. Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: That's fine. Yep, go ahead, thanks for calling.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, real quickly, okay, Tom and Norton. Tom,
Speaker 2: you gotta be quick because they want to get to
Speaker 2: Rick and Bill Ricker as well.
Speaker 8: Go ahead, Tom, Yeah, Well we're a fighter clock there.
Speaker 8: I saw a video today where it was they were
Speaker 8: passing out protective space shields to the to the rioters.
Speaker 8: Protesters who also brought those supplies down there. Didn't do
Speaker 8: that for the protection of the rioters. They just have
Speaker 8: to embolden them. They're trying to encourage conflicts. They want bloodshed.
Speaker 8: Then they can dance around on the bluz and say,
Speaker 8: look what the terrible government did. They're not doing a
Speaker 8: service to these people by bringing that tool and now
Speaker 8: the things on the ground there. As soon as the
Speaker 8: first marine goes down that it's it's gonna change everything
Speaker 8: and it's gonna be hard to pull back from that.
Speaker 8: I hope that doesn't happen. This is a very dangerous situation.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 8: Anytime you attack public servants like that on that level
Speaker 8: of embolden like all, well, watching it now, you've lost
Speaker 8: your credibility.
Speaker 3: I'm done.
Speaker 8: I'm listening to you. Once you stop destroying cop cars,
Speaker 8: and trying.
Speaker 2: No no question, no question about it, and uh, it's
Speaker 2: kind of productive. But from the perspective of people who
Speaker 2: want to bring the government down, meaning they don't like
Speaker 2: a democratic or republican government. They they want whatever the
Speaker 2: view of the perfect world is, whatever their view of
Speaker 2: the perfect social order, is simple as that some of those.
Speaker 8: People just might be looking for the opportunity to smash
Speaker 8: the stuff and actively.
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta do some of those in there.
Speaker 2: You got it. Good, Thanks, Tom, appreciate you call again. Rick.
Speaker 2: Thanks for making room for Rick. Rick and Bill. Rick,
Speaker 2: I got about forty seconds for you. Rick.
Speaker 3: We can do We can do it. Tom, Will and
Speaker 3: Patrick and yourself all have great insight and I'm right
Speaker 3: there with you, great insights. It's the summer of love
Speaker 3: again and it's it's it's ridiculous, but this time Trump's
Speaker 3: gonna stop it from getting out of control. And he should.
Speaker 3: Kevin Newsom's a drama queen. He wants he should be
Speaker 3: an actor. He just wants to get in the when
Speaker 3: he wants to try to convince the people of California
Speaker 3: that he really cares. And he's a fake, a massive fake.
Speaker 3: So's he's probably an okay, guy, but he's more of
Speaker 3: an actor. He ought to go to Hollywood and not
Speaker 3: try to run California.
Speaker 2: I think you should go. I think you should go
Speaker 2: have lunch at the French laundry.
Speaker 3: Oh god, no kidding.
Speaker 2: So he can be with so he can be with
Speaker 2: the people. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I don't know how people can be
Speaker 3: fool But he's a Hollywood He looks like he's from Hollywood,
Speaker 3: and I just I just don't want it to turn
Speaker 3: into the Summer of Love again or or this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Summer of love and it was really the summer.
Speaker 2: It was really the summer of hate. But but you've
Speaker 2: described well what I mean.
Speaker 3: Is during that summer of twenty twenty and then but
Speaker 3: it lasted about a year and a half or something,
Speaker 3: and thirty three people died and they shouldn't live.
Speaker 2: You bet. I hate to do this to you, man,
Speaker 2: but you've got more time than I think that I
Speaker 2: could have given him up against it. Thanks Rick, great call,
Speaker 2: Done for the night. Everybody back tomorrow night. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about the legacy of Michael Decaccas with a new biography
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Speaker 2: eleven o'clock and my name's Dan Ray. I want to
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