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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm

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here with my good friend Seth, who's been on the

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podcast before, so welcome back, Seth.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: You're also an astrologer and you do a lot of

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different things which we're going to get into in this episode,

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which is why I wanted to have you on because

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we need to get into yoga, breath work, health, astrology.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited and true, like a Gemini mid heaven fashion.

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I have ten different career paths coming on at one.

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Speaker 1: Wait, speaking of your chart, what is for everyone listening,

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what's your sun moon rising?

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Speaker 2: So I'm a Virgo rising son and Leo. Also my

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chart roller Mercury is in Leo okay, and then my

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moon is in Scorpio.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm about to have so many Virgo

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risings on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you already have such a

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group of people who are Vergo risings around you, whether

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you're working with them or friends with them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I attract that rising song a lot. I think

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it's because of the Pisces placements. Yeah, and I also

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just like your vibe. You're to the point you're like

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not critical is a negative word, but you're very like discerning.

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Speaker 2: I guess this is also how I feel about Leo Risings.

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All my people are Leo Risings in my my orbit.

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Speaker 1: Ah. I love the wait. So before we get into

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like everything you do, I just want to go back to,

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like how you first got into astrology. How long ago

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was this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well I love telling this story because it's

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all about you. It really happened when we were working

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together at Vogue back in twenty seventeen. Yeah, And I

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will never forget going into the closet every morning eight am,

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and I would hear you across the hall my doing

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some kind of desk side chart reading, Oh my god,

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writing different reports for horoscopes. And I don't actually think

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I ever got in person chart reading from you in

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the office. No, but we did talk a lot about astrology,

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and I remember that was opening the doors for me

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to just know more about the depth and complexity that

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could exist with an astrology, because before then I only

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knew my son was in Leo same. I didn't really

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give it the kind of thought that was really coming through.

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Really in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Some memories are coming back to me. I just remember

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on our like Conde Nasty email. There was like a

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chat box thing and you would just like message me

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and be like, what does Pluto mean in this part

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of the chart? And I'd be like, why has that

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message you me during the day? Like I love it,

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but it was just so funny that you were like

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suddenly so interested too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Once I get hooked on something, I think it

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might be my scorpio moon, I can get really obsessive

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with it. Yeah, And this was really a doorway into

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just understanding myself better because I was working at Vogue

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when I was twenty one. Yeah, so I was really young.

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I didn't really know as much about myself as I

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wanted to at the time, and so really the first

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three years of learning astrology through you through reading just

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online study was all about how can I understand better

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why I am the way that I am. And we

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might get into this later, but my leo placements are

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in the twelfth house, so I really wanted to not

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also get in my own way or be self sabotaging

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in the ways that I felt were really prominent for

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me at that time.

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Speaker 1: I know when people first start learning in astrology, there's

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like a tendency to fixate on the darker placements, Like,

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for instance, I was like obsessed with having Saturn in

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the seventh house. I was like, this is why my

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dating sucks, Like this is why I can't have a boyfriend.

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When like after a few years it was like, no,

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that's actually like a strength of mine. Is that kind

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of how you were at first with the twelve.

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Speaker 2: House placements completely and especially my Scorpio moon too, I

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was like what did I do to deserve getting a

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Scorpio moon in my chart? And over time now I'm like,

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that is my superpower. Its yeah, this incredible capacity for empathy,

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and even though the emotional experience can often be extreme,

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it really makes me appreciate more the full spectrum of

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emotions rather than trying to look at one version of

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like anger or sadness and think, oh that's bad or

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I shouldn't feel that way. Yeah, it's easier now that

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I lean into it and I appreciate it more. And

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you might feel this way about Saturn too, just to yeah,

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see the more positive aspects that can come along with

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placements that especially in like the eighties and nineties, astrologers

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would often talk about through more of like a negative lens.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I could see how like those. I

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feel like so many astrology books are dated in that way.

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It's like we need a resurgence of like more complex

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astrology books. But yeah, I love Scorpio Moon. Like all

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of my favorite people in my life are Scorpio.

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Speaker 2: Moon, you famously, also your husband.

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Speaker 1: My husband, yes, and my closest friend like you, Maccine Karen,

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my stepmom, everyone I love. Yeah. Wait, so okay, you

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got into astrology first, like that that interest of wanting

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to better understand yourself, and now you've branched out and

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like have all of these different interests. That's what I

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love about your approach, Like you blend astrology with things

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like yoga. You went on like a yoga breathwork or

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a treat and you got certified.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how I guess how has your approach change or

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your interests evolved over the last I guess it's already

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been like seven eight years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, crazy basically the entirety of the Uranus

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and Taurus transit. Yeah, you're nice house my astrology exploration journey,

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and yeah, I find astrology can be used for everything

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in life. You know, when we were at Vogue, I

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was using it more for self awareness, but it also

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did branch out into like style and fashion. As I

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left that industry and moved into the tech industry and

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then eventually started my own business. It was this journey

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of how can I use astrology to empower myself because

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I'm a very curious person. And now it's like, I

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used the language of astrology in every conversation that I'm having,

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So it can be about physical health, mental health, spiritual health,

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even technology and history or current events. There's always something

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going on in my mind of like what's the astrology

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of that, or how does that play into things? And

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so what I do now is I got registered as

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a yoga teacher, breathwork practitioner, meditation teacher in the winter

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of twenty twenty four, so about two years ago. And

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now I have what I call my cosmic Yanyasa flows,

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where I sequence every yoga flow, breathwork and meditation according

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to the zodiac sign that the moon is in because

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of how the moon is symbolic of our physical body,

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and it can be really nice to lean into the

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themes of what that transit means through a very physical practice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so if you were teaching like a yoga or

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breathwork class, or even just doing that on your own

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time in your own apartment, Yeah, you would look at

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like what sign the moon is in that day, Like

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it's in Aries. When we're recording this, what might like

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the vibe of that type of practice look like with

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a moon an energetic sign like aries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so just by nature of it being in a

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fire sign, it's going to be a stronger flow where

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every sequence I do is full body, We're moving in

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all directions, but there is more of an emphasis on

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the fact that Aris rules are head So I'm going

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to do a lot more head focused poses and probably

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even spend more time doing breath work as a result

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of that. Like for my Ari's flow that I have sequenced,

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I do what's called copple botty, which is the breath

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of fire, and that, mixed with the strong flow, helps

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to get out all of that Martian energy, which then

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prepares for like a seated quiet meditation. Having gotten all

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of the wiggles out.

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Speaker 1: What's your favorite moon to do this under? I can

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imagine Taurus moon, which is coming up in a few hours. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm really excited because Tomorrow, I am teaching a

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yoga class for this brand launch event that my friend

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is having, and it's going to be a Torus flow.

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It's not intens at all. But that's also I love

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that because it helps bring people who have never really

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done yoga into the fold to understand how good it

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can feel personally. Though, my favorite is the Gemini moonflow.

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That's actually what I did for my final sequence at

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the end of my yoga teacher training. It's very diverse.

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You do a mandola where you're moving all the way

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around the mat and it just keeps things surprising and

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satisfies my Gemini sense of like I need things to

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be different at any given moment where I'm going to

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get bored.

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Speaker 1: What body part is Gemini again, is not the last yet.

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Speaker 2: Gemini rules the shoulders, the arms, the hands, and the

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nervous system. Okay, so it goes even higher to Mercury,

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but it deals in how we experience things like anxiety

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or issues with the nervous system.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. I want to linger on this topic of health

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astrology a bit because it's not something I have a

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ton of knowledge in. I mean, We went to Norwalk

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together in twenty twenty two, and that really opened my

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eyes to all of these different areas that you could

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take astrology. I went to several health conferences, but I've

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yet to like put it into practice really, and that's

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something you do. What I guess looking at like the

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birth chart person, then I want to talk about like

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transits that might involve health, like if someone I don't know,

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like is there a difference between I guess I want

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to start with, like what parts of the chart would

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you look to for like health problems or so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would always look at the chart roller first,

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given that that is the body that is or that's

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the planetary body that represents the physical body beyond what

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the moon is sort of generally for everybody. So I

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always look at what is going on with the chart roller,

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what sign it's placed in, does it have dignity or not,

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because oftentimes what happens is if you have your chart

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roller or really any planet in a zodiac sign that

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doesn't have strong dignity, it can indicate that there might

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be health issues related to the area of the body

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that that planet and sign is connected to.

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Speaker 1: For instance, what's the sun connected to the body because

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I have this son in detriment. Yeah, so curious.

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Speaker 2: The sun would be connected to Leo, which would be

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connected to the heart, so heart related topics would be

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one where you might want to focus more attention on.

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I wouldn't think that's an issue when you're young.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, I hope I don't have a

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heart attack when I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like no, But it might be worth as you do

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get older, and especially as I think in the next

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like five ish years, Pluto in Aquarius is going to

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go over your son.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens next year.

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Speaker 2: It could be a good idea to just check in

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on heart health and focus on foods that you can

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be eating or ways that you can take care of

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yourself that works specifically with the heart.

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Speaker 1: So in addition to chart rule, I guess, how do

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you see your chart ruler placed in the twelfth I

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guess you have it in Leo, so maybe similar themes

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of heart.

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Speaker 2: Definitely technically Mercury and Leo doesn't have any kind of

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special dignity, So I am somewhat grateful for not necessarily

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having any major afflictions to my nervous system or digestive system.

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What I actually find is that my Saturn and aries,

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which now I'm officially in my Saturn return. It Saturn

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rules your bones, your teeth, your skin, and that's always

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where my issues have been. I just finished like six

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year journey of orthodontia fixing life threatening issues with my teeth.

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I've had issues with my spine where there's been some

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injuries and stuff. So that's where I focus on, like,

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how can I make my spine, my teeth, the areas

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of my body that Saturn rules as healthy and strong

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as possible, honoring the fact that I'm not in my

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Saturn return and that's going to be a very prominent

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influencing energy.

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Speaker 1: And Saturn is an aries not a great sign. So

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it's like those things might be more of a challenge

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for you exactly. Yeah, oh my god, this is I

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need to dig into topic. There's this book I have

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called Body Astrology, which I recommend to a lot of people.

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That's a great place to start if you're more interested

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in this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, those listening, and it's also worth mentioning you know,

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this doesn't replace going to your primary care doctor or Yeah,

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it's not medical advice. It is I think a really

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nice supplement to all of the different medical physicians out

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there that can actually provide care and medical advice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good disclaimer. Yeah. But in addition to the chartler,

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I also look at like we mentioned Moon, Sun and Mars.

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I feel like Mars has a lot to do with

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vitality and energy totally. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Having a Mars placement is where you can really see

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what are your physical energy levels, like what is the

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best expression of your physical expression of energy and life

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force and so mine I have my Mars in Gemini,

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so I find that my energy levels are constantly fluctuating,

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where one day I might feel like super scion. I

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can go from morning tonight, and then the next day

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I don't leave my apartment at all. So I try

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to honor that and know that it's okay to it's

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not actually just okay. It's really important to listen to

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your body and the energy level, to not try and

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push yourself to do this like really consistent regimen. If

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you have a placement like.

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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's interesting. I have Mars in the twelfth House,

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and I notice like twelve House topics like meditating, sitting

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with myself in silence. That's hard because it's like the

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energy planet is there, Mars. Yeah, so I find it's

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easier for me to like meditate or like connect with

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myself through exercise or like walking, Like active things help.

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Speaker 2: Me, yeah, to relax more. It's sort of like mitigating

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the fact that it's in cancer, which is a sign

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that Mars doesn't love to be in. Yeah. How do

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you find working with that outside of just like being

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able to sit and move? Do you find that your

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energy levels are like you get these periods of time

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where you have some energy to work with or are

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you finding yourself kind of swimming up the stream trying

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to find energy where it might feel like it's lacking.

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Speaker 1: I almost correlate this with human design, like being a

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projector maybe what does tie on with the Mars in

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answer the twelve house. But it's like I get a

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lot of work done in like two to three hour periods,

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and then the rest of the day I don't really

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do much, but it's like the amount of work that

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gets done during that time is like insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I wish we could all have that.

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Speaker 1: I was like corporate people like understood that type of

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work ethic.

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, Yeah, the nine to five is so outdated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is Yeah. I just wanted to bring

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up like the topic of health astrology because we were

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having these Virgo eclipses, which obviously are huge for your

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chart in health, like the first house, we didn't even

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talk about that. Yeah, the chart rulers associated with it.

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But transit's like you've been having the south no to

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your first house, are automatically going to bring up like

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your body and yeah, literal self.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my first house is Virgo, so it deals

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a lot in our digestive system, our stomach, and so

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I find for me this upcoming Virgo eclipse, I'm very

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aware of what I'm eating. I am trying to practice

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what I call in two eating, where I know I

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want to eat whole foods and I want to eat healthily,

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but I'm also not going to deny myself the pleasure

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of having a sweet treat or the convenience of like

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a snack on the go. But I do think that,

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you know, the more that we lean into the light

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side as I call it, of the Pisces North node

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in order to release and let go of the shadow

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side of Virgo's energy, it's primarily about embodying more intuition

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or just listening to the body, and that I think

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is really applicable for the food that you're eating, how

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much food you're eating. There are so many diets and

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fads and things that I mean, everyone has a perspective

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and an opinion on food nowadays, So I think intuitive

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eating and just listening to your body and what it wants.

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A practical example is I went to the grocery store

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the other day and I was just like, what colors

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look good, what flavors look good? And I ended up

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coming home with a ton of stuff that was like

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coconut flavored and pomegranate flavored. And the entire time I

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was eating all that food, I felt so strong, so

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just like full of energy. And maybe this is also

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the Gemini coming through, but it's also just nice to

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mix up the diet. I don't like to eat the

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same thing over and over.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, you didn't go in expecting to buy

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that stuff. No, just like came to you.

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Speaker 2: Because it's such an easy when you go into the

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grocery store. It's so easy to be on autopilot.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I have the same things that I get every time.

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I want to get in and I want to get out.

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It's one of those liminal spaces. So it's really nice,

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I think to sometimes challenge yourself going into a space

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like that and maybe just wandering up and down the aisles,

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looking at the colors, looking at the labels, and tapping

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into your body to see what looks good, what do

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I think my body would appreciate.

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Speaker 1: I've been practiced. I've like noticed that come up literally

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in the last couple of weeks. Maybe it's because we're

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so close to the Virgo lunar eclipse, but I've noticed

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like I'll go on a walk thinking, Okay, I'm going

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to go to this cafe and get like this coffee

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or hot chocolate drink, and then I'm drawn in a

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totally different direction and I'm like, no, I want to

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go like here to eat this. Yeah, it's kind of

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just listening in the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just Pisces. Yeah, because it's also going to be

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a south node lunar eclipse. I also really love the

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idea of the South note is all about release and

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letting go, and when you think about that with your

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dietary habits, can be a really good time to take

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a break from caffeine, from any substances from sugar as

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a way of honoring that eclipse, and in turn, you

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might find that you also don't experience some of the

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traditional eclipse the effects that can happen, where you know,

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you might get sick or something just might go awry.

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Speaker 1: We were talking the other day, like after the Aquarius

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solar eclipse the day after, like us and all of

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our friends are like, we couldn't get out of bed,

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just like depleted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: So because you have like this, I guess it's not final,

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but like another eclipse in your first house and now

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they're shifting to your six and twelve. Do you notice

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a difference between timing to like first versus timiness six.

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Speaker 2: I think the first house has And actually I learned

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about this in particular a lot from you, where when

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I first started learning astrology, I thought about it very literally,

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is the body as this is the light of your

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life as they call it in traditional Hellenistic astrology. Now

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I do see it more as having some Mars related

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themes where you can find your goals, your motivations, like

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what is actually pushing you to make decisions and do

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certain things? And I distinguish that from the sixth house,

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because the sixth is more the action of doing it itself.

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It's the work that you have to do every day

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to maintain your diet, to maintain your fitness, whereas the

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first house is going to tell you the ways about

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how you want to eat foods or how you want

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to do fitness. Yeah, so it's a subtle difference, but

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an important distinction to make.

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Speaker 1: Okay, One last thing I wanted to ask about health

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before we move on to other tomics. Mercury talked about that,

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but would you say that's more of a mental planet,

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like with transits, like we have a mercury retrograde coming up.

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Do you notice like health patterns with things like a

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mercury retrograde or just even mercury going through the six

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house over important parts of the chart.

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Speaker 2: I do find that it can stir up a lot

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more mental health related issues, especially in people who aren't

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aware of what a mercury retrograde is trying to get

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them to do, to slow down and maybe opt out

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temporarily of the very modern hustle kind of culture that

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we live in, especially in America. So it can really

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stir up a lot stronger anxiety neurological issues, issues with

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the nervous system, the digestive system, and yeah, I mean

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all the planets are real different areas of the body,

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but mercury in particular just has these really far Your

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nervous system is throughout your entire body, so you can

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experience things throughout the entire system just by nature of

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the mercury retrograde and not honoring or respecting what it's

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trying to get you to do. Slowing down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you gave me really helpful insight the

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other week because I was having mercury in the sixth house.

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I believe it was mercury conjunct pluto. It was something

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like that, And you're like, yeah, that's like your digestive system. Oh,

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I got no wonder we've been having problems here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and trying to get you a sense of when

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is this going to pass? Please stop having these yeah,

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different issues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I really need to do more. Like you're

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so knowledgeable about this topic.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean my whole astrology practice is

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grounded in the principle of I want to encourage self awareness,

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self acceptance, self love. But once you have that baseline,

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how can people find balance between the different pillars of

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their health and well being. I mean, for a lot

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of people, they might have really fantastic physical health, but

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then their spiritual health might be totally lacking because they're

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so focused on that one area of life. And so

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the reason why I like doing astrology and yoga and

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breath work and meditation and there's a few others is

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because I want to have different topics that can address

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each of the pillars of health and well being, so

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that if I'm working with a client and one of

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the gifts is you know, of being an astrologer is

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that you can work with people for years, sometimes decades,

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I know, and so you're really close with a person,

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seeing the arc of how they're growing, and that affords

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you the benefit of being able to tailor almost the

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prescription or the kind of work that they would do

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in between your sessions in a way where one session

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might be about, hey, we're going to focus on just

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the astrology this time, or another time might be let's

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actually sit and ground ourselves into our bodies and do

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a little somatic work. You can tailor the plan a

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little bit more based off of just having the benefit

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of working with somebody for a long time.

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Speaker 1: So, speaking of readings, how do you structure your readings?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I might have a bit of a different

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approach than some astrologers. I always start with looking at

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their moon sign and their progressed moon sign.

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Speaker 1: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what is their emotional awareness at

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this moment in time that helps me get the door

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into a connection. You can't really get into the rest

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of the planets if that person doesn't feel emotionally safe

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or taken care of. And of course the sign that

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it's in will tell you a lot about how to

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do that. And then the second thing I always do

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is I look for their time lord and what perfection

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year they're in, because that tells me what stage of

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their psychological development are they currently in. Are they in

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the cycle that lasts between the ages of twenty four

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and thirty five, where it's really about building up the

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ego through a lot of experience and experimentation. Are they

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in an earlier cycle, a later cycle? And the time

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Lord I like describing it as it's like the passenger

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princess to the chart ruler who's behind the wheel really

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determining a lot of the timing. Are we going to

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take rest stops. Are you gonna take detours for the

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year or two sometimes that it is active.

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Speaker 1: Over the last couple of years. I've just realized how

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important like the annual perfection time lord is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so simple too, which is refreshing for

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a lot of the techniques that are not simple at all.

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Speaker 1: I love how you brought up that time period like

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twenty four to thirty five. Like when I think of

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I mean, there's a ton of age ranges that probably

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listen to this podcast, but I know I have a

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lot of people in like their mid twenties to maybe

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like forties fifties. I think of a key turning points

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in these ages as like twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty

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nine totally, and then also like thirty five, thirty six,

479
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,519
thirty seven, and then we could also get into like

480
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:52,799
forty two, forty three. But yeah, like with looking at

481
00:23:52,839 --> 00:23:57,519
like progressed moon annual perfection, Like why do you I mean,

482
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,640
I guess I know the reason, but like I want

483
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000
to talk like why those are such big turning points

484
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:03,559
for people?

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for those who don't know, the ages

486
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,839
of twenty seven through twenty nine is when everyone goes

487
00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:13,599
through what's called their progressed lunar return. Yeah, so a

488
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,440
really important return in your progressed chart that signals a

489
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,000
coming of age story that's taking place. It also just

490
00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:26,400
happens to coincide with most people having their saturn return beginning.

491
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

492
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Speaker 2: So that theme of maturation applies very significantly to the

493
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:34,480
ways that we take care of ourselves, because, especially in

494
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:38,079
our youth, I find that it's so easy to overindulge

495
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,960
or do things in a way that don't necessarily respect

496
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,279
the body's needs because your body is really resilient. So

497
00:24:45,319 --> 00:24:46,839
that can be a wake up call a lot of

498
00:24:46,839 --> 00:24:48,640
times for I need to get a little bit more

499
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,960
serious about am I drinking too much? Am I eating

500
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,119
the wrong foods? Am I just not doing what's going

501
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,279
to make me feel the best in my body?

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I would say I wanted to bring up like

503
00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:03,200
that twenty seven period specifically because it plays so into

504
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,240
like what you were talking about, with like progressed moon

505
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,680
being so important with what you look at and I

506
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,480
did find at that age it was like, Okay, I

507
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,599
actually need to nurture myself in ways I didn't. I

508
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,880
haven't done my entire life, or maybe I didn't receive

509
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,079
as a child from parents.

510
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you find out? Because I think your

511
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,240
progressed moon is currently in Taurus in the tenth house

512
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:27,400
and you're definitely approaching your waxing opening square. Yeah, how

513
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,160
do you find that is showing up now that you're

514
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,359
sort of in this in between period between that twenty

515
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,839
seven to twenty nine and then thirty four to thirty

516
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,440
six period.

517
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Speaker 1: It's interesting. I do feel like early thirties, it's kind

518
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:41,400
of like what's next. I don't know. I know some

519
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,599
people find a lot of success in their early thirties,

520
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,119
but I have sensed. I'm like, I feel like there's

521
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,359
a bigger shift coming and we're just waiting for it.

522
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,039
Is I'm thirty three right now, because it's like you're

523
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,000
approaching I guess you get like a nodle square at

524
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,000
this age and that leads in then to the whole

525
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:05,039
like the full nodle return around thirty six. Yeah, but yeah,

526
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:09,680
progress moon and Taurus and this like waxene moon phase.

527
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,279
I'm starting to notice what was developed at the exact

528
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,720
lunar return, and that was close to a progress new

529
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,720
moon for me is getting realized or becoming a bit

530
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,279
more visible or there's gaining, there's more like traction being

531
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:23,880
built there.

532
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe also just for my knowing you and

533
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:31,519
sort of the different trajectories you've gone already so early

534
00:26:31,559 --> 00:26:34,440
in your career, I wonder how much of them, like

535
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,640
a distillation process is happening for like you've had all

536
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,319
these experiences, writing, speaking, doing one on one to understand

537
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:45,599
this is what I really like, this is what I'm

538
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,400
really good at exactly, So how can I hone that

539
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,960
when I come into the like post square face.

540
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,799
Speaker 1: It's like the all of the new starts and the

541
00:26:53,839 --> 00:26:56,599
exciting new beginnings were at the progressed new moon and

542
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,799
then also close to that lunar return, like I said,

543
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,920
and now it is just like you were saying, wait,

544
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,759
do I actually like doing most of this or what

545
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,880
am I the best at? And how can we make

546
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,839
adjustments so that I'm focused more on that?

547
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely resonate with that so much because my

548
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,839
progressed moon just a couple of weeks ago moved into

549
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,400
my Sagittarius fourth.

550
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: House and oh how many when was this?

551
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 2: This was at the very end of January.

552
00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: So in the very reason did you notice the shift

553
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:25,200
with the.

554
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,839
Speaker 2: Sign immediately, Oh my god. Yeah, we might talk about

555
00:27:29,839 --> 00:27:34,559
this later, but it coincides with this very deep transformative

556
00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:38,559
work I've been doing with a master hypnotherapist named Leo Whares.

557
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,559
I have my pluto at zero degrees of Sagittarius. So

558
00:27:41,599 --> 00:27:45,039
the first thing that happens is this conjunction where I

559
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:52,759
find myself really called to deeply work on the family

560
00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,519
related and just early childhood related like traumas and things

561
00:27:56,559 --> 00:28:00,279
that the whole point of hypnosis for me is how

562
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,240
can you reprogram your subconscious in a way that eliminates

563
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,319
indoctrinated fears or limiting beliefs. And as part of the cycle,

564
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,640
im and I'm just now in the opening of waxing

565
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,680
Square because my progressed son is at twenty nine.

566
00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: Leo, Yeah, you're like a little ahead of me with

567
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:16,359
the moonface.

568
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 2: I know, it's like barely like ten or fifteen degrees. Yeah,

569
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,559
I love it.

570
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,519
Speaker 1: I think of degrees and I'm like, you're a year

571
00:28:23,519 --> 00:28:23,920
ahead of me.

572
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,839
Speaker 2: But tell me, you're a virgalizing who just constantly thinks

573
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:30,720
about maths about telling me. But I really resonate with

574
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:34,119
what you said, because I find now going through this process,

575
00:28:34,799 --> 00:28:38,279
i am distilling more of these various interests that have

576
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:40,920
come through over the last few years in a way

577
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,799
where I want to hone it more now going into

578
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:47,079
this year and beyond, and feeling more empowered to do

579
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,119
that because now that my progressed mood is Insidittarius, I

580
00:28:50,119 --> 00:28:53,880
feel less like I am wanting time alone or within

581
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,000
My Scorpio moon lunar return was very inward and private,

582
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,119
and I found myself for treating a lot from being

583
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,160
out in the world in the ways that I know

584
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,920
I want to be. So I'm really looking forward to

585
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,680
the next like two and a half years that this

586
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,559
particular progression is going to be taking place.

587
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask, like I bet have

588
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,799
felt a lot less heavy, like huming out of Scorpio

589
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,920
moving into Sagittarius.

590
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 2: Like immediately it was as if well there was a

591
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,079
very literal weight that was lifted, but also an energetic

592
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:22,960
weight that was lifted.

593
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:26,039
Speaker 1: I love it because I've had the moon in Taurus,

594
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,039
which is I mean, it's not a bad sign for

595
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,559
it's one of the best signs of the moon can

596
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,000
be in, but it has felt like slowed down and

597
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:33,759
almost like lazy in a way.

598
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:36,079
Speaker 2: You love the fire and air sign it and I'm like.

599
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm so it's going into Gemini at the end of

600
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,200
twenty twenty six, and I'm like, get into Gemini. I

601
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,519
want to socialize again. I want to be out. Do

602
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,759
you prioritize like the sign or the house placement that

603
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:48,960
the progress moon, because like, if you think about it,

604
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,839
your scorpio progress moon was in the third house, which

605
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,599
would be like more social. I know you did a

606
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,119
lot of travel during that idea, is that when you

607
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,720
went to the teacher trainings.

608
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,759
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the way that my third and ninth

609
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:04,839
houses were being activated did draw me a lot to

610
00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:07,680
I mean, I was reading so many books, I was

611
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,960
doing my yoga teacher training and just wanting to be

612
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:14,839
in a yoga community. And I always think about the

613
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:18,400
third house as a place of communication preferences, which is

614
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,200
different than mercury because mercury shows us how we think

615
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,640
and process information, but it doesn't tell us the ways

616
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,920
that we prefer to communicate. So, for example, my mercury

617
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,119
is my chart ruler is in Leo, which tells me

618
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160
that I can be a little I could be chatty,

619
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,160
I can be a little dramatic, and I like to

620
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,319
be almost like a storyteller and how I speak. But

621
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,559
because my third house is where Scorpio is. If I

622
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:46,559
don't have the ability to communicate with depth, and like

623
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:48,920
I mentioned earlier that I get kind of obsessive about

624
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,079
something and go all the way in on it, then

625
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:54,440
I do find myself feeling out of whack. I can't

626
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,640
really engage with people that are constantly just on the

627
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,920
surface or beal. The third house is like I'm going

628
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,039
to say hey, and then we're going to immediately talk

629
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:05,720
about like what's going on.

630
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: That's why I love our interactions. Yeah, it's like, let's

631
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,640
talk about all of the transits to your chart.

632
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, get very deep, very quickly.

633
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just to like wrap up that part, like

634
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,079
touching upon I guess how we mentioned like twenty seven

635
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:24,559
twenty nine is the center and return lead in what

636
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,440
I also was bringing up with like the mid thirties

637
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,640
and then again at the early forties. Are these different

638
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
cycles of Saturn that you get at those times like

639
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,640
this first opening square and then the opposition. I mean,

640
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,000
neither of us have reached those ages and have gone

641
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,599
through them, so it's harder to talk about, but I

642
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:42,880
can imagine it's similar where it's like you're at a

643
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,200
crossroads and you need to figure out, like how am

644
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,480
I going to level up in a certain area and

645
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:50,960
what do I want to commit to? Like is this

646
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,480
really what I want to be committing to in the

647
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:53,200
long term?

648
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely? You know. Actually, just yesterday I had two chart

649
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,960
readings with clients that I've been working with for like

650
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,839
between two and three years. They're both born the same year,

651
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,920
nineteen ninety one, so they're both thirty five, and I

652
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,319
do find a lot of my chart readings are with

653
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:10,880
that age group of like thirty five to thirty six.

654
00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: It's because, Okay, I love nineteen ninety one birthdays and

655
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,839
my husband's one of those because they have Jupiter and Leo.

656
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:20,960
I think it's because it aligns with our chart.

657
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:24,839
Speaker 2: Really well, I hadn't thought about that. That's a great point. Yeah,

658
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,920
But it's interesting to see how in that shift they're

659
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,000
going through, there is this unifying theme of as they

660
00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:34,519
prepare to go into thirty six, they are ready to

661
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,400
commit to things and to apply themselves in way that

662
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,200
to me, I see thirty six as like you are

663
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,839
an adult, you know, the Saturn return will initiate you

664
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,160
into adulthood, but you do still have a few years

665
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,160
to work it out. Once you get into thirty six

666
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,119
and you start that twelve year cycle, you know who

667
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,079
you are, you know what you're good at, and you

668
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,359
know how you want to use that knowledge not just

669
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,480
to your benefit but to everyone that you encounter. Yeah,

670
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,160
and so for some people that looks like really leveling

671
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,279
up in their career. Others it looks like having a family,

672
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,680
but generally just being more committed to the typical adulthood

673
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:13,680
themes come up.

674
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: Up and you get the first house perfection near which

675
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,400
you hadn't gotten since twenty four. Yeah, so it's like, okay,

676
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:22,559
we're this is a brand new twelve year cycle we're

677
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:23,119
starting now.

678
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really I can't wait to get there myself.

679
00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:27,839
Speaker 1: I'm excited for thirty six.

680
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: Specifically you'll get there before me, so I'm going to

681
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,480
be yeah, witnessing you lead the way.

682
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,839
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about some current astrology going on,

683
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,240
because there's a lot happening. I mean, it all started

684
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,559
in twenty twenty five, but it's definitely picking up momentum

685
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:46,400
in twenty twenty six. I try not to, like, I

686
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
don't know, I hesitate what's talking about like world event

687
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:53,480
in astrology, just because it's hard to like predict events,

688
00:33:53,759 --> 00:33:57,079
and I like to reframe these like outer planet transits,

689
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,960
like a saturder Neptune conjunction, you're honest moving into Gemini

690
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,160
in relation to an individual's chart, so you can know

691
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,599
like what's in your control, like what's actually going to

692
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,199
happen with your life that you can like focus on.

693
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,239
But I did want to give more context. And you're

694
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,599
so much better than I am at like mundane astrology

695
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,559
and just like helping I don't know, you give me

696
00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,039
such good insight on helping understand like what these outer

697
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:26,599
planet transitions mean for like the collective and like how

698
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:29,519
that could show up in history. So I wanted to

699
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,679
just go over a few of these transits that are

700
00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:35,199
going on, like we just had the sadder Neptune exact conjunction.

701
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:39,039
How I don't know what's like the energy you see

702
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,760
behind that, or like how people can work with like

703
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,840
this confusing. I don't know, it's a huge confusing transit

704
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:46,559
in my opinion.

705
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, well, first of all, thank you. I think

706
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:54,280
the reason why I really love the outer planets and

707
00:34:55,039 --> 00:34:58,440
work with them so much is because It was between

708
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:03,840
twenty nineteen and tw twenty that I was reading Personal Bible,

709
00:35:04,559 --> 00:35:08,519
Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnis, one of the greatest

710
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:13,480
astrologers of all time, and it's a very thick book

711
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,199
that covers all of the outer planet cycles as they

712
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,320
have come up with the various events and themes throughout

713
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,800
modern human history. So he covers a lot about Saturn

714
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:30,079
Neptune conjunctions. He talks about Jupiter and Saturn with Urinus, Neptune,

715
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:33,760
and Pluto. He doesn't do a lot of like three

716
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,559
or more of the outer planets together, and that would

717
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:37,920
have to be a whole separate book. I feel like

718
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:38,360
he did.

719
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,119
Speaker 1: He should do a sequel, Yeah.

720
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: I would love that, or maybe his daughter Becca would

721
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,239
do that at some point. But you know, for the

722
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,920
Saturn Neptune conjunction in particular, I find what's really interesting

723
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,280
now is that we're in sort of a phase two

724
00:35:51,519 --> 00:35:55,480
of the conjunction because they've been together for three years

725
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,679
since Saturn entered Pisces in twenty twenty three, and they'll

726
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:00,880
continue to be together for another two years while they're

727
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,559
in arees together. But ultimately the themes are very similar

728
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,679
where Saturn is all about how we build and sustain

729
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:13,199
structures and systems, and Neptune is the dissolution of things

730
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:18,039
that create division or divide. Yeah, and so you can

731
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,760
look at that very literally. I agree with you that

732
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,400
it's not productive necessarily to try and predict specific events

733
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,719
that are going to happen, but it can be really

734
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,599
helpful to look at larger storylines that are playing out

735
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:37,639
in different industries with different prominent people who have like

736
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:41,480
a documented life that you can follow along. So I

737
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,159
think of the Saturn Neptune conjunction as being this while

738
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:46,880
it was in Pisces, you know, how do we make

739
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,599
our dreams into reality? And now that it's in Aries,

740
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:54,880
it's how do we actually create new systems to replace

741
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,400
what will be dissolved and broken down via neptune in

742
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,000
the very outdated systems that just no longer serve us

743
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:04,599
in this very modern age. So a very practical way

744
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,719
of looking at that. Systems that are built from the

745
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,440
industrial revolution. The nine to five is a great example

746
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,320
of this. It just doesn't really work in the same way,

747
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,360
especially as AI continues to improve. So what happens is

748
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,800
over the next two years, we're going to see a

749
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,360
lot of people building new systems for themselves that actually

750
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:29,239
use technology in a way that empowers them and creates

751
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,760
entirely new systems that I think, over time do become

752
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,000
adopted by more mainstream, popularized industries.

753
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,039
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying in the pisc season forecast

754
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:41,800
I put out where I was talking about this conjunction.

755
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,719
I do believe as Saturn moves further into areas, even

756
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,760
though it still co present with Neptune until twenty twenty eight,

757
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,760
I just feel like a new way forward will start

758
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,400
to unfold. Yeah, and then when we get to Saturn

759
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,519
and Taurus, maybe that's more about like concrete like business endeavors.

760
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, after you establish the newness of the system,

761
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,719
you pioneer this very courageous effort to do something that

762
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,039
you haven't seen anyone else really do mainstream before the

763
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,239
Saturn and Taurus comes along for two and a half

764
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,199
three years to ask you, well, how do you make

765
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:21,800
that grounded and practical and stable over time? And what's

766
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,320
interesting is you can layer that in to the rest

767
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,280
of the outer planets in the amount of time, because

768
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,280
Uriness will be in Gemini for six years, Neptunes and

769
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,920
Aries for the next twelve Pluto is still going to

770
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,480
be in Aquarius till twenty forty four. So the way

771
00:38:35,519 --> 00:38:38,440
that Jupiter and Saturn move more quickly than them, you

772
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,079
can start to break down the much larger arcs that

773
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:44,880
we are beginning and now into these chunks of time

774
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,880
that you see how it builds on one another.

775
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Your Honest is in Gemini. I think it's

776
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,000
until twenty thirty three, and it's like at a certain

777
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:56,320
point Saturn is going to come into Gemini and meet

778
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,320
up with your honests there, and I actually believe they'll

779
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,559
get a posed by Jupiter in Sagittarius. Yeah, and eclipses

780
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,840
in Sagittarius in Gemini. So it's like, yes, there's a

781
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,840
lot of commotion about Ur Honest and Gemini right now,

782
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,679
but it's like, really, what happens there in twenty thirty one,

783
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,119
twenty thirty, like the early twenty thirties, Maybe that's when

784
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,719
there's like, I don't know, more productive technology or people

785
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,599
aren't like fearing things so much.

786
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,079
Speaker 2: What's so funny is I'm remembering at one point you

787
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,960
we often talk about like future transits, and I can

788
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,920
remember years ago you sending text messages about I think

789
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,079
that transit in particular. I mean there are other ones that.

790
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: No, No, like there's a year that I haven't twenty

791
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:42,960
thirty five. I think that's one that's Saturn opposite Pluto

792
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,079
again with eclipses.

793
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that's definitely a little bit more dramatic.

794
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I was you brought it when I mentioned,

795
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,000
like I wanted to bring up this topic on the podcast,

796
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:56,199
how there was like a cradle aspect between is it

797
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,559
your honest Gemini, Pluto and Aquarius and Saturn and Neptune

798
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,599
and area.

799
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: It's I mean to me, it's the most auspicious aspect

800
00:40:03,679 --> 00:40:08,280
that you can have astrologically, because every single outer planet

801
00:40:08,519 --> 00:40:13,519
sees one another. So this cradle aspect starts when Jupiter

802
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:18,119
goes into Leo in June thirtieth, but really it's in July. Yeah,

803
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:22,239
And that means immediately it opposes Pluto at the early

804
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,559
degrees of Aquarius, it forms a sex style to Uranus

805
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:28,199
at the early degrees of Gemini, and it forms a

806
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,480
trine to both Saturn and Neptune in areas interesting and

807
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:36,000
so a lot of those aspects are very supportive. The

808
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,239
sex style and trine are known to be these kind

809
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,719
of harmonious, flowing energies. The opposition does bring in tension,

810
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,079
but ultimately the cradle aspect it's called that because it

811
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,599
mimics how a baby is held in a cradle. I

812
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:53,320
think it helps show us where our vulnerabilities are, while

813
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,280
at the same time empowering us to do things in

814
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,360
a new and innovative or perhaps revolutionary way. Right do

815
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:01,800
you see?

816
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to let you go in. But I

817
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
was going to say, out of all of those planets

818
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,719
being connected in this aspect, you see one that's going

819
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,039
to have like the most power this year there or

820
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:12,800
it's hard to tell.

821
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: I mean, just by nature of knowing the lunar nodes

822
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,559
are going to move into Aquarius and Leo in July,

823
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,679
where Jupiter and Pluto are, I think that opposition is

824
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:24,840
going to be the loudest. Okay, yeah, and that probably

825
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,360
will continue to be the case for the rest of

826
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,079
the year. I mean that's not to say that we

827
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,880
won't recognize Urinus, Saturn or Neptune, but that opposition is

828
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,519
going to be just amplified by the nature of eclipses

829
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:41,079
being what we all feel very prevalently on like a

830
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:44,880
day to day basis, or especially during eclipse seasons, which

831
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,679
we have an eclipse season in August that will activate

832
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:51,400
all of that. But I was also going to say

833
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,199
that these are all outer planets, and so on the

834
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,239
one hand, the cradle aspect is very supportive and helps

835
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,559
to hold us, and on the other hand, it's not

836
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,960
like that means everything is like sunshine and rainbows. You know,

837
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:09,920
like the process of removing or even destroying structures and

838
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:14,440
systems that have existed for up to centuries is chaotic.

839
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:19,239
It can be really challenging, and yeah, there's there's a

840
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,000
process of adapting in that, which I think we already

841
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:25,880
see playing out now. But what I'm trying to help

842
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,000
instill in people is that this cradle aspect tells us

843
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:33,119
astrologically that on the other side of that enormous change

844
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,519
is a really strong and supportive number of systems that

845
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,000
we can all rely on for a much longer period

846
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:42,800
of time as we move into just a very different

847
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,440
age of humanity.

848
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that as like a twenty thirties thing.

849
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:48,039
Speaker 2: Definitely.

850
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was going to say, like, taking all

851
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:55,119
of this, all of these aspects like happening across the

852
00:42:55,159 --> 00:42:59,840
air and fire signs applying them to an individual chart.

853
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,480
It's like you can expect maybe like that same level

854
00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:07,440
of transformation or like maybe initial chaos, but then you're

855
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:11,639
implementing better structures across those linked houses in your chart.

856
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,159
Would you say, like that's something people can expect to

857
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,039
go on in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty.

858
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: Seven, definitely. Yeah. If you look at your birth chart

859
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,559
and you look at the houses between Leo and Aquarius

860
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,480
where all those planets are, that would be in the

861
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,599
birth chart where the cradle is. So it's like that's

862
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,119
where a lot of the changes are going to be unfolding,

863
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,000
but also where you'll find yourself held in many ways.

864
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,360
It's not to say that the other half of the

865
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,199
chart gets left out or is completely just blind to

866
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,760
your experience, but I would doubt that there's going to

867
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,360
be the same kind of activity taking place in the

868
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,440
part of the sky where there aren't those major outer

869
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,880
planet shifts compared to the cradle.

870
00:43:52,199 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the like Aquarius ares Gemini

871
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,679
than wrapping up at Leo. Yeah, and then it's like

872
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:03,599
not a ton is happening with like Virgo through like

873
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:07,840
Scorpio sage yea at the moment. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's interesting.

874
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,719
I need to go, like, look at how this might

875
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,960
play out in my own chart.

876
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for any Virgo risings out there, it

877
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:17,880
starts in the Aquarius sixth house of work, carries through

878
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:21,000
to Leo in the twelfth house, a place of spiritual

879
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,880
well being and endings and closure. So basically the first

880
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,079
house through the fifth house are the emptier parts of

881
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,400
the chart, which is to say, for Virgo risings, that

882
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,920
cradle is going to help push Virgo risings into a

883
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,719
place of more visibility because that cradle is basically in

884
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,639
the top half of the chart where everything is seen

885
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,159
by the light of the sun, but other people who

886
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,519
might be a Piscey's rising but have the opposite experience.

887
00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: I was going to say that, like theres would be

888
00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:51,599
more about like internal work and figuring out who am I, Like,

889
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:56,199
how can I build up my creativity or my confidence exactly? Okay, yeah,

890
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,159
oh I love this. I want to talk about your

891
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:07,039
hypnosis journey to switch gears completely. I guess what started.

892
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: This hold on?

893
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,079
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed what started this? For anyone watching the video,

894
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:15,119
Journey of Souls is our favorite book at the moment.

895
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,199
I mean, I read this in twenty eighteen. You just

896
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,400
read it this year. I re read it this year.

897
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,880
What is the book about? Like if you could sign up?

898
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: So essentially, doctor Michael Newton, master hypnotherapist, who is responsible

899
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,199
for hundreds, if not thousands of case studies in hypnosis

900
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:38,079
for life between Lives, gives us this book Journey of Souls,

901
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:42,360
which is probably like thirty to forty case studies of

902
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:47,960
real client experiences that explore just questions around life and

903
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,360
death and what happens in between. So it is very

904
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,639
much oriented around the philosophy of reincarnation, and it goes

905
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,719
into past lives a little bit, but really looks at

906
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,480
what happens with the eternal soul when it is it

907
00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,119
has just died in a human body, when it's being

908
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:10,559
reunited with its sole family, when it is preparing to

909
00:46:10,599 --> 00:46:13,559
select a new life to come into, and all of

910
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:16,239
the karmic themes that get held in that process.

911
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:18,599
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when I read this book,

912
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:20,920
I didn't like question anything. I was like, yeah, that's all,

913
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,480
that's exactly what happens.

914
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,119
Speaker 2: It felt like, I mean, it felt like i'd been

915
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,280
asleep for almost thirty years and it was like I'm

916
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,719
waking up to things that like they all resonate and

917
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,920
make so much sense.

918
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy. Like I just feel I find

919
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:38,760
the book to be super comforting because it's like, oh,

920
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:41,920
I chose this life for a reason. Yeah, like I

921
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,639
had options of where I wanted to go, and I

922
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,119
chose to have this specific path. And I love how

923
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,400
he talks about how like meeting people throughout this life,

924
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,679
like there's like a what is it called, not like

925
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,920
a hint or like a signal. Yeah, but you don't

926
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,760
remember it like in your conscious body, but like your

927
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,920
soul knows that that's the signal that that's like an

928
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,519
important person you're meant to meet. Like things like that

929
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,239
that he talks about in the book are so cool.

930
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 2: Did you feel that way when you were meeting.

931
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:15,079
Speaker 1: Jesse I I'm trying to think if there was like

932
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:18,239
something he did. It was more just like a feeling

933
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,679
like after this random person had slid into my DM

934
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,599
saying she wanted to set me up with this guy,

935
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:26,039
I like had a dream that we were holding hands.

936
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,800
Oh and that was even before like we had settled

937
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,360
on a date, a first date or anything. So just

938
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
felt like comforted in that way. Yeah, But he talks

939
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,840
about in the book how they'll be like a dance

940
00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,840
or couples like get met at a dance and there's

941
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,239
like a certain signal that they're giving each other. Yeah.

942
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: I like that. He talks about how as souls they

943
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:52,360
will practice when they meet in their next life because

944
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:55,599
to your point, we have these amnesia blocks in our

945
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:59,559
conscious mind that are necessary so we don't continue to

946
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,519
body the kind of traumas and experiences that might have

947
00:48:02,599 --> 00:48:06,880
played out in past lives. But because they're practicing, they're

948
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,440
basically priming each other to be able to find one

949
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,840
another in their next lives and perhaps feel that very

950
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,320
immediate spark of connection or love or whatever else.

951
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: Because he talks about in this book, like all the

952
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,320
many phases like first dying in one body and then

953
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,920
like what happens after that as you're entering the spirit world,

954
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,320
and then you go before a council and like you

955
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,920
review your last life and then you figure out what

956
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,320
do you want your next life to be? Or also

957
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:39,480
you have like a group that you're associated with in

958
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,960
the spirit world, and like you're spending time with them

959
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:45,519
and like reviewing what happened what was like the most

960
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,280
meaningful part of the book to you? It stuck with

961
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,000
you the most.

962
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 2: I think my favorite part of the book is the

963
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,760
way that it helped me transform what maybe before reading

964
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,519
the book I might have felt victimized by, and then

965
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,280
coming out of it, I'm like, I have a whole

966
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,239
new understanding of the kind of challenges that I encountered,

967
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,920
especially in my earlier life, like why might my soul

968
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,320
have chosen to be born into a family that was

969
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,960
basically poverty level for my entire childhood? Or why did

970
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,920
I choose to be born into a religious cult where

971
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:25,880
there is this extremist perspective on religion and spirituality. And

972
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,360
through the different case studies, he also has a second

973
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:30,960
book called Destiny of Souls, which is like one hundred

974
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,840
plus case studies, so even more dense and helpful. I've

975
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,840
been able to better understand some of the karmic origins

976
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,719
of the things that I've experienced in my life so far.

977
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,119
And it's also given me comfort in you know, I

978
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:50,039
haven't met my person yet, and now I'm like, well,

979
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:52,320
I don't really need to worry about that, because I'll

980
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:57,320
know intuitively, instinctively when that happens. How I feel like

981
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,800
we are meeting again for the first time, but after

982
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,400
no each other for a really long time.

983
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: I like how this like way of thinking, like things

984
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,320
are just meant to happen at very like specific moments

985
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,199
and time is also like shown in astrology. Yeah, like

986
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,880
when you're meeting someone that is showing up very obvious

987
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:20,519
in a transit chart. Yes, or like when you're having

988
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:23,519
a baby for instance, or like moving to another country.

989
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,480
Like those types of big like turning points in life

990
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,719
are seen in astrology. Do you think like the birth

991
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,400
chart though, shows insight into a past life or what

992
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,800
would you say, yeah, are because I kind of think

993
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,199
is that the whole chart as just showing Like I

994
00:50:42,199 --> 00:50:44,280
guess the whole birth chart is like what are these

995
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,320
lessons you came here to learn and what are you

996
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,599
working through? But what are there specifics you would prioritize more?

997
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: There are two things. One is that house and the

998
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,400
sign that the south node is in right, Yeah, And

999
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,840
then for everybody, what is the sign the house or

1000
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:03,559
what is the sign for the twelfth house of the chart,

1001
00:51:03,639 --> 00:51:07,920
because that twelfth house represents that moment just before you

1002
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,119
were born into your body in the first, and so

1003
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,000
it does hold a lot of insight into the qualities

1004
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,800
and themes that would have been relevant for a more

1005
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,800
recent past life experience. And an example of that would

1006
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,800
be for myself, as a verbalising, my twelfth house is

1007
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,000
where I have Leo, and so I've always felt from

1008
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,400
a very young age, I have a very expensive taste.

1009
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:32,000
I like nice things, and Leo is a sign that

1010
00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:36,280
is associated with royalty, and so I've always felt like

1011
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,199
in a past life I probably had some sort of

1012
00:51:39,199 --> 00:51:43,039
experience either in a royal family or in a position

1013
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:47,000
of wealth or privilege, and so this life, maybe I

1014
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:50,199
chose something like being in a family that is more

1015
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,840
poor and has to learn more financial lessons, because it

1016
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,760
helps show me the other side of the value and

1017
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,239
the meaning of building something financially from the ground all

1018
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:00,679
the way up.

1019
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Would you also say that, like the

1020
00:52:03,559 --> 00:52:08,960
sign on the twelfth house shows what are challenges you've

1021
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,800
been grappling with in the last life that are maybe

1022
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,679
brought in as like still a challenge here.

1023
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: I think so maybe I might look more to the

1024
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,760
south node for that, just because it shows us the

1025
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,199
things that we are really comfortable and familiar with so

1026
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:28,880
throughout our lives, we do find ourselves, especially during eclipse seasons,

1027
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,360
confronted with different aspects of how can we actually push

1028
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,719
ourselves into a place of uncomfortable change and leveling up.

1029
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,800
For example, I have my south node in Ares and

1030
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,719
my eighth house, and my north node in Libra and

1031
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,320
the second house. And so for that particular topic, I see,

1032
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,320
I am like very hyper independent and I like to

1033
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,760
do things as much as possible on my own, but

1034
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:56,199
part of my soul growth in this lifetime is about

1035
00:52:56,360 --> 00:53:01,000
leaning into asking for help and working with others and

1036
00:53:01,079 --> 00:53:04,119
not being so hyper independent all the time. And in

1037
00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:06,719
a way, I have my saturn right on my south note.

1038
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,559
It also helps heal generational wounds related to my parents

1039
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,440
their parents and the ways in which maybe they weren't

1040
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:17,679
able to accomplish certain goals with being a business owner

1041
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,880
or creating that network of people that you can lean

1042
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,760
on and ask for help.

1043
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:24,679
Speaker 1: I was also going to say this very much ties

1044
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,079
back into the ages we were talking about, like the

1045
00:53:28,199 --> 00:53:33,079
late twenties, the nodal opposition, the mid thirties the nodal

1046
00:53:33,119 --> 00:53:37,360
return and every nine years increment after that, like getting

1047
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,480
one of those and how it's like, Okay, you literally

1048
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,119
get a push in the direction you're meant to be in. Yeah.

1049
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And that's also why in all of my consults,

1050
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:49,840
especially when I do them during a clip season, I'm like,

1051
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,360
just remember to surrender. You don't actually end up having

1052
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,719
to do that much during eclipse seasons, because what is

1053
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:01,119
so beautiful about the lunar nodes is how just naturally

1054
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,360
you're going to be pulled onto your highest path for

1055
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,000
your greatest good. It's just more about not resisting or

1056
00:54:08,039 --> 00:54:11,079
trying to force something that you think from the ego

1057
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:14,480
mind is the right way for you to go. I

1058
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,800
think a lot of times, especially nowadays, in the clients

1059
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,039
that I work with, basically the younger generations, the millennials,

1060
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,119
the Gen zs, they already are really tapped into their intuition,

1061
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,400
and so I don't really see as much resistance, whereas

1062
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,679
for my parents' generation, our grandparents' generation, I see that

1063
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,159
come through so much more, where there is this obstinence

1064
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,800
to moving into a new kind of life and wanting

1065
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,880
to kind of maintain and hold on to what they've

1066
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:43,320
known and just experience for the last decades, which I'm

1067
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,000
not that age, I can't say, from experience, but I

1068
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:49,559
can't empathize with finding comfort and not wanting to give

1069
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:52,840
it up. Yeah, but the only constant in life is changed,

1070
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:55,480
so you do have to wake up to that. Eventually.

1071
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 1: I wanted to finish with, like, how you've taken all

1072
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:02,599
this work a step further and now you're doing regular

1073
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:07,679
hypnosis sessions or you literally go into are you going

1074
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,840
into you're going into a past life and also life

1075
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:10,559
between life.

1076
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 2: Each session has been different. This last session I did

1077
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,679
was very much about past lives. The session before that, though,

1078
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:20,119
we did like a lot of inner child work, and

1079
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,920
so it was a lot more somatic therapy parts work

1080
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,599
inner child work. But then the session before that it

1081
00:55:26,679 --> 00:55:28,679
was the total opposite. It was like I was almost

1082
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,559
astral projecting out of my body and I met my

1083
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:35,199
spirit guides, I met soul, my higher self how I

1084
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,840
call him, and they were sort of visualized by these

1085
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,559
really beautiful lights, Like there was a golden light which

1086
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:47,400
was representative of my spirit guides or my angels, whereas

1087
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,400
my higher self was embodied by like a silvery white light,

1088
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,559
and then there was a third that was more like

1089
00:55:52,599 --> 00:55:54,880
pinkish purple, almost like the color of a sunset, which

1090
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:57,440
wasn't as clear, but indicated to me that it was

1091
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,159
more of like a soulmate kind of energy pulling me

1092
00:56:00,199 --> 00:56:03,360
towards love and helping me to center my decision making

1093
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,800
from a place of like heart led love. And so

1094
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,239
that's totally different than the experiences I had in the

1095
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,519
other sessions. And I still have one more in like

1096
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,480
a week and a half that I'm I'm like, I

1097
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:16,400
don't know what's going to happen. We're going to sort

1098
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,559
of go along for the journey and see because we've

1099
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,360
already covered it's been over ten hours of hypnosis so

1100
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,880
far and this will be the last session.

1101
00:56:24,079 --> 00:56:26,119
Speaker 1: And I went to see him in twenty twenty. I

1102
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:27,639
really need to go back because it's been like six

1103
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,159
years and I'm like a different person. But he's so

1104
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,800
good Leo Max. I want to have him on the

1105
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:37,599
pod to talk about this process. But yeah, he's like

1106
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,239
it's like three hours of like leading you into relaxation.

1107
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,480
There was just something in my body that like resisted

1108
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:50,000
fully relaxing. But I still got like that past live

1109
00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:50,599
memory as.

1110
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: A Viking, which was that's still and.

1111
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: I felt why I felt like I was in a

1112
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,599
different body. We were talking about like how it's like

1113
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:58,800
you're you feel like you're in a different body during this.

1114
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that experience into this last session where

1115
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:03,800
it took a total turn from where I thought we

1116
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,159
were going to go, because in the part of hypnosis,

1117
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,039
we were focused very much on chakra work, and there

1118
00:57:09,079 --> 00:57:12,400
was a lot happening in my solar plexus, feeling like

1119
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,679
disconnected from my heart chakra. And then all of a sudden,

1120
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:20,000
I start looking down, but not actually looking with my eyes.

1121
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:23,519
I have a blindfold on, and I don't recognize my

1122
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:26,480
body at all. And then all of a sudden, the

1123
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,480
picture gets clearer and clearer, and it's like I have

1124
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,280
burns on my body. It's like charred flesh almost. And

1125
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,199
then the picture becomes even more clear, and I come

1126
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,360
to understand that I was literally struck by lightning, which

1127
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:42,960
immediately my consciousness in that moment is just wondering, like,

1128
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:48,599
what are the chances of this happening, and interestingly feeling

1129
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,039
some of the pain and the discomfort in that physical

1130
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:55,719
experience without the intensity of it, as if it were

1131
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,559
actually in this physical body in this lifetime. And so

1132
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:00,760
we explored the through line of that as I'm sure

1133
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,000
you did with the whole Viking storyline.

1134
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like I was able to see why

1135
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,159
I got that memory. It was like stuff involving like

1136
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,440
not letting anyone in emotionally, and I felt like my

1137
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,039
heart was like hard. It was like really weird. It

1138
00:58:14,039 --> 00:58:16,360
was like a stone heart and like weel like help

1139
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:17,960
me to melt it.

1140
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:23,119
Speaker 2: That's that's actually really beautiful. Yeah, no, the yeah, the

1141
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,639
I had a very similar theme where that particular experience

1142
00:58:26,719 --> 00:58:29,639
informed how in this lifetime there is a huge emphasis

1143
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:34,480
on the value and the power of physical touch, because

1144
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:37,880
in that lifetime I was no longer able to experience

1145
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,039
that without severe pain. In this lifetime, I am leaning

1146
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:43,840
into things like yoga where there is a lot of

1147
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,639
loving touch, or just in relationships, finding more comfort in

1148
00:58:49,239 --> 00:58:53,000
having a longer hug or being willing to like put

1149
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,599
a hand on a shoulder. Just there's so much that

1150
00:58:55,639 --> 00:58:57,719
we don't often talk about or recognize when it comes

1151
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:02,280
to skin to skin contact with people. And now after

1152
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,239
that session, I'm excited to push myself a little bit

1153
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,519
to explore it even more than I have been.

1154
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: It's interesting how you only get like memories from things

1155
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,480
that you need to remember in that moment like you

1156
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,960
can't access everything. It's like, no, this is a relevant

1157
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,800
message for you. Now, this is all you're getting.

1158
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's the big difference between the work that Leo

1159
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,639
does with restorative hypnosis compared to doctor Michael Newton and

1160
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:30,079
Journey of Souls, because that book is basically a case

1161
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:34,519
study accumulation for research, so he was leading his subjects

1162
00:59:34,679 --> 00:59:37,639
down a particular path to gain more understanding of the

1163
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:42,079
spirit world. Whereas Leo and a lot of modern hypnotherapists

1164
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:44,920
act as a guide. They're not trying to push you

1165
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,280
in one direction. They want to see where you naturally

1166
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:52,320
go in your subconscious mind because that's inevitably going to

1167
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,519
lead you to the things that you need to see

1168
00:59:55,559 --> 00:59:56,679
and understand.

1169
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love this. Well, it was so good

1170
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,599
having you on the pod. I could talk to you forever,

1171
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,199
but I'm like, we have a time limit, but I'm like,

1172
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,159
we could keep going. I need to have you back

1173
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:07,800
at some point.

1174
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 2: I mean, thank you for having me back. I always

1175
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:13,000
love these conversations with you. I feel like, yeah, I

1176
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,079
could talk to you for for so long. This is

1177
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,920
probably the fact that I have my My mercury is

1178
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,760
at fourteen Leoh, which is right on top of your ascendant.

1179
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:24,559
Speaker 1: Also, you just all the Gemini placements and they connect

1180
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,360
with my self. Note we have a past life connection.

1181
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,480
I know watch where We're probably in a soul family.

1182
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,599
I'll see you when I die.

1183
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 2: Love it.

1184
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:33,199
Speaker 1: Where can people find you, Seth?

1185
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me at the Stargazer g a

1186
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,119
y z er that's on Instagram, on substack. On my website,

1187
01:00:42,519 --> 01:00:48,079
I offer chart readings for everybody across birth charts, transit charts, sinistry, astrocryptography.

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And I also am really going to be fleshing out

1189
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this year in particular like recorded vinyasa or cosmic vinyasa flows,

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because I've been teaching a lot in like kin in

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person studios, but so much of my clients are global,

1192
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so I'm like, it'd be really cool to have a

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digital archive of that too for everyone who's out and about,

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so stay tuned for that.

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Speaker 1: That's an amazing idea. I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you,