Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Astrology with Alice. I'm
here with my good friend Seth, who's been on the
podcast before, so welcome back, Seth.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: You're also an astrologer and you do a lot of
different things which we're going to get into in this episode,
which is why I wanted to have you on because
we need to get into yoga, breath work, health, astrology.
Speaker 2: I'm excited and true, like a Gemini mid heaven fashion.
I have ten different career paths coming on at one.
Speaker 1: Wait, speaking of your chart, what is for everyone listening,
what's your sun moon rising?
Speaker 2: So I'm a Virgo rising son and Leo. Also my
chart roller Mercury is in Leo okay, and then my
moon is in Scorpio.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Love.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm about to have so many Virgo
risings on this podcast.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like you already have such a
group of people who are Vergo risings around you, whether
you're working with them or friends with them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I attract that rising song a lot. I think
it's because of the Pisces placements. Yeah, and I also
just like your vibe. You're to the point you're like
not critical is a negative word, but you're very like discerning.
Speaker 2: I guess this is also how I feel about Leo Risings.
All my people are Leo Risings in my my orbit.
Speaker 1: Ah. I love the wait. So before we get into
like everything you do, I just want to go back to,
like how you first got into astrology. How long ago
was this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Well I love telling this story because it's
all about you. It really happened when we were working
together at Vogue back in twenty seventeen. Yeah, And I
will never forget going into the closet every morning eight am,
and I would hear you across the hall my doing
some kind of desk side chart reading, Oh my god,
writing different reports for horoscopes. And I don't actually think
I ever got in person chart reading from you in
the office. No, but we did talk a lot about astrology,
and I remember that was opening the doors for me
to just know more about the depth and complexity that
could exist with an astrology, because before then I only
knew my son was in Leo same. I didn't really
give it the kind of thought that was really coming through.
Really in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: Some memories are coming back to me. I just remember
on our like Conde Nasty email. There was like a
chat box thing and you would just like message me
and be like, what does Pluto mean in this part
of the chart? And I'd be like, why has that
message you me during the day? Like I love it,
but it was just so funny that you were like
suddenly so interested too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Once I get hooked on something, I think it
might be my scorpio moon, I can get really obsessive
with it. Yeah, And this was really a doorway into
just understanding myself better because I was working at Vogue
when I was twenty one. Yeah, so I was really young.
I didn't really know as much about myself as I
wanted to at the time, and so really the first
three years of learning astrology through you through reading just
online study was all about how can I understand better
why I am the way that I am. And we
might get into this later, but my leo placements are
in the twelfth house, so I really wanted to not
also get in my own way or be self sabotaging
in the ways that I felt were really prominent for
me at that time.
Speaker 1: I know when people first start learning in astrology, there's
like a tendency to fixate on the darker placements, Like,
for instance, I was like obsessed with having Saturn in
the seventh house. I was like, this is why my
dating sucks, Like this is why I can't have a boyfriend.
When like after a few years it was like, no,
that's actually like a strength of mine. Is that kind
of how you were at first with the twelve.
Speaker 2: House placements completely and especially my Scorpio moon too, I
was like what did I do to deserve getting a
Scorpio moon in my chart? And over time now I'm like,
that is my superpower. Its yeah, this incredible capacity for empathy,
and even though the emotional experience can often be extreme,
it really makes me appreciate more the full spectrum of
emotions rather than trying to look at one version of
like anger or sadness and think, oh that's bad or
I shouldn't feel that way. Yeah, it's easier now that
I lean into it and I appreciate it more. And
you might feel this way about Saturn too, just to yeah,
see the more positive aspects that can come along with
placements that especially in like the eighties and nineties, astrologers
would often talk about through more of like a negative lens.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, I could see how like those. I
feel like so many astrology books are dated in that way.
It's like we need a resurgence of like more complex
astrology books. But yeah, I love Scorpio Moon. Like all
of my favorite people in my life are Scorpio.
Speaker 2: Moon, you famously, also your husband.
Speaker 1: My husband, yes, and my closest friend like you, Maccine Karen,
my stepmom, everyone I love. Yeah. Wait, so okay, you
got into astrology first, like that that interest of wanting
to better understand yourself, and now you've branched out and
like have all of these different interests. That's what I
love about your approach, Like you blend astrology with things
like yoga. You went on like a yoga breathwork or
a treat and you got certified.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how I guess how has your approach change or
your interests evolved over the last I guess it's already
been like seven eight years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, crazy basically the entirety of the Uranus
and Taurus transit. Yeah, you're nice house my astrology exploration journey,
and yeah, I find astrology can be used for everything
in life. You know, when we were at Vogue, I
was using it more for self awareness, but it also
did branch out into like style and fashion. As I
left that industry and moved into the tech industry and
then eventually started my own business. It was this journey
of how can I use astrology to empower myself because
I'm a very curious person. And now it's like, I
used the language of astrology in every conversation that I'm having,
So it can be about physical health, mental health, spiritual health,
even technology and history or current events. There's always something
going on in my mind of like what's the astrology
of that, or how does that play into things? And
so what I do now is I got registered as
a yoga teacher, breathwork practitioner, meditation teacher in the winter
of twenty twenty four, so about two years ago. And
now I have what I call my cosmic Yanyasa flows,
where I sequence every yoga flow, breathwork and meditation according
to the zodiac sign that the moon is in because
of how the moon is symbolic of our physical body,
and it can be really nice to lean into the
themes of what that transit means through a very physical practice.
Speaker 1: Okay, so if you were teaching like a yoga or
breathwork class, or even just doing that on your own
time in your own apartment, Yeah, you would look at
like what sign the moon is in that day, Like
it's in Aries. When we're recording this, what might like
the vibe of that type of practice look like with
a moon an energetic sign like aries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just by nature of it being in a
fire sign, it's going to be a stronger flow where
every sequence I do is full body, We're moving in
all directions, but there is more of an emphasis on
the fact that Aris rules are head So I'm going
to do a lot more head focused poses and probably
even spend more time doing breath work as a result
of that. Like for my Ari's flow that I have sequenced,
I do what's called copple botty, which is the breath
of fire, and that, mixed with the strong flow, helps
to get out all of that Martian energy, which then
prepares for like a seated quiet meditation. Having gotten all
of the wiggles out.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite moon to do this under? I can
imagine Taurus moon, which is coming up in a few hours. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm really excited because Tomorrow, I am teaching a
yoga class for this brand launch event that my friend
is having, and it's going to be a Torus flow.
Oh my god, so very grounding, very like slow stable.
It's not intens at all. But that's also I love
that because it helps bring people who have never really
done yoga into the fold to understand how good it
can feel personally. Though, my favorite is the Gemini moonflow.
That's actually what I did for my final sequence at
the end of my yoga teacher training. It's very diverse.
You do a mandola where you're moving all the way
around the mat and it just keeps things surprising and
satisfies my Gemini sense of like I need things to
be different at any given moment where I'm going to
get bored.
Speaker 1: What body part is Gemini again, is not the last yet.
Speaker 2: Gemini rules the shoulders, the arms, the hands, and the
nervous system. Okay, so it goes even higher to Mercury,
but it deals in how we experience things like anxiety
or issues with the nervous system.
Speaker 1: Interesting. I want to linger on this topic of health
astrology a bit because it's not something I have a
ton of knowledge in. I mean, We went to Norwalk
together in twenty twenty two, and that really opened my
eyes to all of these different areas that you could
take astrology. I went to several health conferences, but I've
yet to like put it into practice really, and that's
something you do. What I guess looking at like the
birth chart person, then I want to talk about like
transits that might involve health, like if someone I don't know,
like is there a difference between I guess I want
to start with, like what parts of the chart would
you look to for like health problems or so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would always look at the chart roller first,
given that that is the body that is or that's
the planetary body that represents the physical body beyond what
the moon is sort of generally for everybody. So I
always look at what is going on with the chart roller,
what sign it's placed in, does it have dignity or not,
because oftentimes what happens is if you have your chart
roller or really any planet in a zodiac sign that
doesn't have strong dignity, it can indicate that there might
be health issues related to the area of the body
that that planet and sign is connected to.
Speaker 1: For instance, what's the sun connected to the body because
I have this son in detriment. Yeah, so curious.
Speaker 2: The sun would be connected to Leo, which would be
connected to the heart, so heart related topics would be
one where you might want to focus more attention on.
I wouldn't think that's an issue when you're young.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like, I hope I don't have a
heart attack when I'm.
Speaker 2: Like no, But it might be worth as you do
get older, and especially as I think in the next
like five ish years, Pluto in Aquarius is going to
go over your son.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens next year.
Speaker 2: It could be a good idea to just check in
on heart health and focus on foods that you can
be eating or ways that you can take care of
yourself that works specifically with the heart.
Speaker 1: So in addition to chart rule, I guess, how do
you see your chart ruler placed in the twelfth I
guess you have it in Leo, so maybe similar themes
of heart.
Speaker 2: Definitely technically Mercury and Leo doesn't have any kind of
special dignity, So I am somewhat grateful for not necessarily
having any major afflictions to my nervous system or digestive system.
What I actually find is that my Saturn and aries,
which now I'm officially in my Saturn return. It Saturn
rules your bones, your teeth, your skin, and that's always
where my issues have been. I just finished like six
year journey of orthodontia fixing life threatening issues with my teeth.
I've had issues with my spine where there's been some
injuries and stuff. So that's where I focus on, like,
how can I make my spine, my teeth, the areas
of my body that Saturn rules as healthy and strong
as possible, honoring the fact that I'm not in my
Saturn return and that's going to be a very prominent
influencing energy.
Speaker 1: And Saturn is an aries not a great sign. So
it's like those things might be more of a challenge
for you exactly. Yeah, oh my god, this is I
need to dig into topic. There's this book I have
called Body Astrology, which I recommend to a lot of people.
That's a great place to start if you're more interested
in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those listening, and it's also worth mentioning you know,
this doesn't replace going to your primary care doctor or Yeah,
it's not medical advice. It is I think a really
nice supplement to all of the different medical physicians out
there that can actually provide care and medical advice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good disclaimer. Yeah. But in addition to the chartler,
I also look at like we mentioned Moon, Sun and Mars.
I feel like Mars has a lot to do with
vitality and energy totally. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Having a Mars placement is where you can really see
what are your physical energy levels, like what is the
best expression of your physical expression of energy and life
force and so mine I have my Mars in Gemini,
so I find that my energy levels are constantly fluctuating,
where one day I might feel like super scion. I
can go from morning tonight, and then the next day
I don't leave my apartment at all. So I try
to honor that and know that it's okay to it's
not actually just okay. It's really important to listen to
your body and the energy level, to not try and
push yourself to do this like really consistent regimen. If
you have a placement like.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's interesting. I have Mars in the twelfth House,
and I notice like twelve House topics like meditating, sitting
with myself in silence. That's hard because it's like the
energy planet is there, Mars. Yeah, so I find it's
easier for me to like meditate or like connect with
myself through exercise or like walking, Like active things help.
Speaker 2: Me, yeah, to relax more. It's sort of like mitigating
the fact that it's in cancer, which is a sign
that Mars doesn't love to be in. Yeah. How do
you find working with that outside of just like being
able to sit and move? Do you find that your
energy levels are like you get these periods of time
where you have some energy to work with or are
you finding yourself kind of swimming up the stream trying
to find energy where it might feel like it's lacking.
Speaker 1: I almost correlate this with human design, like being a
projector maybe what does tie on with the Mars in
answer the twelve house. But it's like I get a
lot of work done in like two to three hour periods,
and then the rest of the day I don't really
do much, but it's like the amount of work that
gets done during that time is like insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, I wish we could all have that.
Speaker 1: I was like corporate people like understood that type of
work ethic.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, Yeah, the nine to five is so outdated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well this is Yeah. I just wanted to bring
up like the topic of health astrology because we were
having these Virgo eclipses, which obviously are huge for your
chart in health, like the first house, we didn't even
talk about that. Yeah, the chart rulers associated with it.
But transit's like you've been having the south no to
your first house, are automatically going to bring up like
your body and yeah, literal self.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and my first house is Virgo, so it deals
a lot in our digestive system, our stomach, and so
I find for me this upcoming Virgo eclipse, I'm very
aware of what I'm eating. I am trying to practice
what I call in two eating, where I know I
want to eat whole foods and I want to eat healthily,
but I'm also not going to deny myself the pleasure
of having a sweet treat or the convenience of like
a snack on the go. But I do think that,
you know, the more that we lean into the light
side as I call it, of the Pisces North node
in order to release and let go of the shadow
side of Virgo's energy, it's primarily about embodying more intuition
or just listening to the body, and that I think
is really applicable for the food that you're eating, how
much food you're eating. There are so many diets and
fads and things that I mean, everyone has a perspective
and an opinion on food nowadays, So I think intuitive
eating and just listening to your body and what it wants.
A practical example is I went to the grocery store
the other day and I was just like, what colors
look good, what flavors look good? And I ended up
coming home with a ton of stuff that was like
coconut flavored and pomegranate flavored. And the entire time I
was eating all that food, I felt so strong, so
just like full of energy. And maybe this is also
the Gemini coming through, but it's also just nice to
mix up the diet. I don't like to eat the
same thing over and over.
Speaker 1: And it's like, you didn't go in expecting to buy
that stuff. No, just like came to you.
Speaker 2: Because it's such an easy when you go into the
grocery store. It's so easy to be on autopilot.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I have the same things that I get every time.
I want to get in and I want to get out.
It's one of those liminal spaces. So it's really nice,
I think to sometimes challenge yourself going into a space
like that and maybe just wandering up and down the aisles,
looking at the colors, looking at the labels, and tapping
into your body to see what looks good, what do
I think my body would appreciate.
Speaker 1: I've been practiced. I've like noticed that come up literally
in the last couple of weeks. Maybe it's because we're
so close to the Virgo lunar eclipse, but I've noticed
like I'll go on a walk thinking, Okay, I'm going
to go to this cafe and get like this coffee
or hot chocolate drink, and then I'm drawn in a
totally different direction and I'm like, no, I want to
go like here to eat this. Yeah, it's kind of
just listening in the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just Pisces. Yeah, because it's also going to be
a south node lunar eclipse. I also really love the
idea of the South note is all about release and
letting go, and when you think about that with your
dietary habits, can be a really good time to take
a break from caffeine, from any substances from sugar as
a way of honoring that eclipse, and in turn, you
might find that you also don't experience some of the
traditional eclipse the effects that can happen, where you know,
you might get sick or something just might go awry.
Speaker 1: We were talking the other day, like after the Aquarius
solar eclipse the day after, like us and all of
our friends are like, we couldn't get out of bed,
just like depleted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So because you have like this, I guess it's not final,
but like another eclipse in your first house and now
they're shifting to your six and twelve. Do you notice
a difference between timing to like first versus timiness six.
Speaker 2: I think the first house has And actually I learned
about this in particular a lot from you, where when
I first started learning astrology, I thought about it very literally,
is the body as this is the light of your
life as they call it in traditional Hellenistic astrology. Now
I do see it more as having some Mars related
themes where you can find your goals, your motivations, like
what is actually pushing you to make decisions and do
certain things? And I distinguish that from the sixth house,
because the sixth is more the action of doing it itself.
It's the work that you have to do every day
to maintain your diet, to maintain your fitness, whereas the
first house is going to tell you the ways about
how you want to eat foods or how you want
to do fitness. Yeah, so it's a subtle difference, but
an important distinction to make.
Speaker 1: Okay, One last thing I wanted to ask about health
before we move on to other tomics. Mercury talked about that,
but would you say that's more of a mental planet,
like with transits, like we have a mercury retrograde coming up.
Do you notice like health patterns with things like a
mercury retrograde or just even mercury going through the six
house over important parts of the chart.
Speaker 2: I do find that it can stir up a lot
more mental health related issues, especially in people who aren't
aware of what a mercury retrograde is trying to get
them to do, to slow down and maybe opt out
temporarily of the very modern hustle kind of culture that
we live in, especially in America. So it can really
stir up a lot stronger anxiety neurological issues, issues with
the nervous system, the digestive system, and yeah, I mean
all the planets are real different areas of the body,
but mercury in particular just has these really far Your
nervous system is throughout your entire body, so you can
experience things throughout the entire system just by nature of
the mercury retrograde and not honoring or respecting what it's
trying to get you to do. Slowing down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you gave me really helpful insight the
other week because I was having mercury in the sixth house.
I believe it was mercury conjunct pluto. It was something
like that, And you're like, yeah, that's like your digestive system. Oh,
I got no wonder we've been having problems here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and trying to get you a sense of when
is this going to pass? Please stop having these yeah,
different issues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I really need to do more. Like you're
so knowledgeable about this topic.
Speaker 2: I love it. I mean my whole astrology practice is
grounded in the principle of I want to encourage self awareness,
self acceptance, self love. But once you have that baseline,
how can people find balance between the different pillars of
their health and well being. I mean, for a lot
of people, they might have really fantastic physical health, but
then their spiritual health might be totally lacking because they're
so focused on that one area of life. And so
the reason why I like doing astrology and yoga and
breath work and meditation and there's a few others is
because I want to have different topics that can address
each of the pillars of health and well being, so
that if I'm working with a client and one of
the gifts is you know, of being an astrologer is
that you can work with people for years, sometimes decades,
I know, and so you're really close with a person,
seeing the arc of how they're growing, and that affords
you the benefit of being able to tailor almost the
prescription or the kind of work that they would do
in between your sessions in a way where one session
might be about, hey, we're going to focus on just
the astrology this time, or another time might be let's
actually sit and ground ourselves into our bodies and do
a little somatic work. You can tailor the plan a
little bit more based off of just having the benefit
of working with somebody for a long time.
Speaker 1: So, speaking of readings, how do you structure your readings?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I might have a bit of a different
approach than some astrologers. I always start with looking at
their moon sign and their progressed moon sign.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: I want to know what is their emotional awareness at
this moment in time that helps me get the door
into a connection. You can't really get into the rest
of the planets if that person doesn't feel emotionally safe
or taken care of. And of course the sign that
it's in will tell you a lot about how to
do that. And then the second thing I always do
is I look for their time lord and what perfection
year they're in, because that tells me what stage of
their psychological development are they currently in. Are they in
the cycle that lasts between the ages of twenty four
and thirty five, where it's really about building up the
ego through a lot of experience and experimentation. Are they
in an earlier cycle, a later cycle? And the time
Lord I like describing it as it's like the passenger
princess to the chart ruler who's behind the wheel really
determining a lot of the timing. Are we going to
take rest stops. Are you gonna take detours for the
year or two sometimes that it is active.
Speaker 1: Over the last couple of years. I've just realized how
important like the annual perfection time lord is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's so simple too, which is refreshing for
a lot of the techniques that are not simple at all.
Speaker 1: I love how you brought up that time period like
twenty four to thirty five. Like when I think of
I mean, there's a ton of age ranges that probably
listen to this podcast, but I know I have a
lot of people in like their mid twenties to maybe
like forties fifties. I think of a key turning points
in these ages as like twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty
nine totally, and then also like thirty five, thirty six,
thirty seven, and then we could also get into like
forty two, forty three. But yeah, like with looking at
like progressed moon annual perfection, Like why do you I mean,
I guess I know the reason, but like I want
to talk like why those are such big turning points
for people?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for those who don't know, the ages
of twenty seven through twenty nine is when everyone goes
through what's called their progressed lunar return. Yeah, so a
really important return in your progressed chart that signals a
coming of age story that's taking place. It also just
happens to coincide with most people having their saturn return beginning.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that theme of maturation applies very significantly to the
ways that we take care of ourselves, because, especially in
our youth, I find that it's so easy to overindulge
or do things in a way that don't necessarily respect
the body's needs because your body is really resilient. So
that can be a wake up call a lot of
times for I need to get a little bit more
serious about am I drinking too much? Am I eating
the wrong foods? Am I just not doing what's going
to make me feel the best in my body?
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would say I wanted to bring up like
that twenty seven period specifically because it plays so into
like what you were talking about, with like progressed moon
being so important with what you look at and I
did find at that age it was like, Okay, I
actually need to nurture myself in ways I didn't. I
haven't done my entire life, or maybe I didn't receive
as a child from parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you find out? Because I think your
progressed moon is currently in Taurus in the tenth house
and you're definitely approaching your waxing opening square. Yeah, how
do you find that is showing up now that you're
sort of in this in between period between that twenty
seven to twenty nine and then thirty four to thirty
six period.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I do feel like early thirties, it's kind
of like what's next. I don't know. I know some
people find a lot of success in their early thirties,
but I have sensed. I'm like, I feel like there's
a bigger shift coming and we're just waiting for it.
Is I'm thirty three right now, because it's like you're
approaching I guess you get like a nodle square at
this age and that leads in then to the whole
like the full nodle return around thirty six. Yeah, but yeah,
progress moon and Taurus and this like waxene moon phase.
I'm starting to notice what was developed at the exact
lunar return, and that was close to a progress new
moon for me is getting realized or becoming a bit
more visible or there's gaining, there's more like traction being
built there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe also just for my knowing you and
sort of the different trajectories you've gone already so early
in your career, I wonder how much of them, like
a distillation process is happening for like you've had all
these experiences, writing, speaking, doing one on one to understand
this is what I really like, this is what I'm
really good at exactly, So how can I hone that
when I come into the like post square face.
Speaker 1: It's like the all of the new starts and the
exciting new beginnings were at the progressed new moon and
then also close to that lunar return, like I said,
and now it is just like you were saying, wait,
do I actually like doing most of this or what
am I the best at? And how can we make
adjustments so that I'm focused more on that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely resonate with that so much because my
progressed moon just a couple of weeks ago moved into
my Sagittarius fourth.
Speaker 1: House and oh how many when was this?
Speaker 2: This was at the very end of January.
Speaker 1: So in the very reason did you notice the shift
with the.
Speaker 2: Sign immediately, Oh my god. Yeah, we might talk about
this later, but it coincides with this very deep transformative
work I've been doing with a master hypnotherapist named Leo Whares.
I have my pluto at zero degrees of Sagittarius. So
the first thing that happens is this conjunction where I
find myself really called to deeply work on the family
related and just early childhood related like traumas and things
that the whole point of hypnosis for me is how
can you reprogram your subconscious in a way that eliminates
indoctrinated fears or limiting beliefs. And as part of the cycle,
im and I'm just now in the opening of waxing
Square because my progressed son is at twenty nine.
Speaker 1: Leo, Yeah, you're like a little ahead of me with
the moonface.
Speaker 2: I know, it's like barely like ten or fifteen degrees. Yeah,
I love it.
Speaker 1: I think of degrees and I'm like, you're a year
ahead of me.
Speaker 2: But tell me, you're a virgalizing who just constantly thinks
about maths about telling me. But I really resonate with
what you said, because I find now going through this process,
i am distilling more of these various interests that have
come through over the last few years in a way
where I want to hone it more now going into
this year and beyond, and feeling more empowered to do
that because now that my progressed mood is Insidittarius, I
feel less like I am wanting time alone or within
My Scorpio moon lunar return was very inward and private,
and I found myself for treating a lot from being
out in the world in the ways that I know
I want to be. So I'm really looking forward to
the next like two and a half years that this
particular progression is going to be taking place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask, like I bet have
felt a lot less heavy, like huming out of Scorpio
moving into Sagittarius.
Speaker 2: Like immediately it was as if well there was a
very literal weight that was lifted, but also an energetic
weight that was lifted.
Speaker 1: I love it because I've had the moon in Taurus,
which is I mean, it's not a bad sign for
it's one of the best signs of the moon can
be in, but it has felt like slowed down and
almost like lazy in a way.
Speaker 2: You love the fire and air sign it and I'm like.
Speaker 1: I'm so it's going into Gemini at the end of
twenty twenty six, and I'm like, get into Gemini. I
want to socialize again. I want to be out. Do
you prioritize like the sign or the house placement that
the progress moon, because like, if you think about it,
your scorpio progress moon was in the third house, which
would be like more social. I know you did a
lot of travel during that idea, is that when you
went to the teacher trainings.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was the way that my third and ninth
houses were being activated did draw me a lot to
I mean, I was reading so many books, I was
doing my yoga teacher training and just wanting to be
in a yoga community. And I always think about the
third house as a place of communication preferences, which is
different than mercury because mercury shows us how we think
and process information, but it doesn't tell us the ways
that we prefer to communicate. So, for example, my mercury
is my chart ruler is in Leo, which tells me
that I can be a little I could be chatty,
I can be a little dramatic, and I like to
be almost like a storyteller and how I speak. But
because my third house is where Scorpio is. If I
don't have the ability to communicate with depth, and like
I mentioned earlier that I get kind of obsessive about
something and go all the way in on it, then
I do find myself feeling out of whack. I can't
really engage with people that are constantly just on the
surface or beal. The third house is like I'm going
to say hey, and then we're going to immediately talk
about like what's going on.
Speaker 1: That's why I love our interactions. Yeah, it's like, let's
talk about all of the transits to your chart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, get very deep, very quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just to like wrap up that part, like
touching upon I guess how we mentioned like twenty seven
twenty nine is the center and return lead in what
I also was bringing up with like the mid thirties
and then again at the early forties. Are these different
cycles of Saturn that you get at those times like
this first opening square and then the opposition. I mean,
neither of us have reached those ages and have gone
through them, so it's harder to talk about, but I
can imagine it's similar where it's like you're at a
crossroads and you need to figure out, like how am
I going to level up in a certain area and
what do I want to commit to? Like is this
really what I want to be committing to in the
long term?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? You know. Actually, just yesterday I had two chart
readings with clients that I've been working with for like
between two and three years. They're both born the same year,
nineteen ninety one, so they're both thirty five, and I
do find a lot of my chart readings are with
that age group of like thirty five to thirty six.
Speaker 1: It's because, Okay, I love nineteen ninety one birthdays and
my husband's one of those because they have Jupiter and Leo.
I think it's because it aligns with our chart.
Speaker 2: Really well, I hadn't thought about that. That's a great point. Yeah,
But it's interesting to see how in that shift they're
going through, there is this unifying theme of as they
prepare to go into thirty six, they are ready to
commit to things and to apply themselves in way that
to me, I see thirty six as like you are
an adult, you know, the Saturn return will initiate you
into adulthood, but you do still have a few years
to work it out. Once you get into thirty six
and you start that twelve year cycle, you know who
you are, you know what you're good at, and you
know how you want to use that knowledge not just
to your benefit but to everyone that you encounter. Yeah,
and so for some people that looks like really leveling
up in their career. Others it looks like having a family,
but generally just being more committed to the typical adulthood
themes come up.
Speaker 1: Up and you get the first house perfection near which
you hadn't gotten since twenty four. Yeah, so it's like, okay,
we're this is a brand new twelve year cycle we're
starting now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really I can't wait to get there myself.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for thirty six.
Speaker 2: Specifically you'll get there before me, so I'm going to
be yeah, witnessing you lead the way.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about some current astrology going on,
because there's a lot happening. I mean, it all started
in twenty twenty five, but it's definitely picking up momentum
in twenty twenty six. I try not to, like, I
don't know, I hesitate what's talking about like world event
in astrology, just because it's hard to like predict events,
and I like to reframe these like outer planet transits,
like a saturder Neptune conjunction, you're honest moving into Gemini
in relation to an individual's chart, so you can know
like what's in your control, like what's actually going to
happen with your life that you can like focus on.
But I did want to give more context. And you're
so much better than I am at like mundane astrology
and just like helping I don't know, you give me
such good insight on helping understand like what these outer
planet transitions mean for like the collective and like how
that could show up in history. So I wanted to
just go over a few of these transits that are
going on, like we just had the sadder Neptune exact conjunction.
How I don't know what's like the energy you see
behind that, or like how people can work with like
this confusing. I don't know, it's a huge confusing transit
in my opinion.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, first of all, thank you. I think
the reason why I really love the outer planets and
work with them so much is because It was between
twenty nineteen and tw twenty that I was reading Personal Bible,
Cosmos and Psyche by Richard Tarnis, one of the greatest
astrologers of all time, and it's a very thick book
that covers all of the outer planet cycles as they
have come up with the various events and themes throughout
modern human history. So he covers a lot about Saturn
Neptune conjunctions. He talks about Jupiter and Saturn with Urinus, Neptune,
and Pluto. He doesn't do a lot of like three
or more of the outer planets together, and that would
have to be a whole separate book. I feel like
he did.
Speaker 1: He should do a sequel, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would love that, or maybe his daughter Becca would
do that at some point. But you know, for the
Saturn Neptune conjunction in particular, I find what's really interesting
now is that we're in sort of a phase two
of the conjunction because they've been together for three years
since Saturn entered Pisces in twenty twenty three, and they'll
continue to be together for another two years while they're
in arees together. But ultimately the themes are very similar
where Saturn is all about how we build and sustain
structures and systems, and Neptune is the dissolution of things
that create division or divide. Yeah, and so you can
look at that very literally. I agree with you that
it's not productive necessarily to try and predict specific events
that are going to happen, but it can be really
helpful to look at larger storylines that are playing out
in different industries with different prominent people who have like
a documented life that you can follow along. So I
think of the Saturn Neptune conjunction as being this while
it was in Pisces, you know, how do we make
our dreams into reality? And now that it's in Aries,
it's how do we actually create new systems to replace
what will be dissolved and broken down via neptune in
the very outdated systems that just no longer serve us
in this very modern age. So a very practical way
of looking at that. Systems that are built from the
industrial revolution. The nine to five is a great example
of this. It just doesn't really work in the same way,
especially as AI continues to improve. So what happens is
over the next two years, we're going to see a
lot of people building new systems for themselves that actually
use technology in a way that empowers them and creates
entirely new systems that I think, over time do become
adopted by more mainstream, popularized industries.
Speaker 1: That's what I was saying in the pisc season forecast
I put out where I was talking about this conjunction.
I do believe as Saturn moves further into areas, even
though it still co present with Neptune until twenty twenty eight,
I just feel like a new way forward will start
to unfold. Yeah, and then when we get to Saturn
and Taurus, maybe that's more about like concrete like business endeavors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, after you establish the newness of the system,
you pioneer this very courageous effort to do something that
you haven't seen anyone else really do mainstream before the
Saturn and Taurus comes along for two and a half
three years to ask you, well, how do you make
that grounded and practical and stable over time? And what's
interesting is you can layer that in to the rest
of the outer planets in the amount of time, because
Uriness will be in Gemini for six years, Neptunes and
Aries for the next twelve Pluto is still going to
be in Aquarius till twenty forty four. So the way
that Jupiter and Saturn move more quickly than them, you
can start to break down the much larger arcs that
we are beginning and now into these chunks of time
that you see how it builds on one another.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Your Honest is in Gemini. I think it's
until twenty thirty three, and it's like at a certain
point Saturn is going to come into Gemini and meet
up with your honests there, and I actually believe they'll
get a posed by Jupiter in Sagittarius. Yeah, and eclipses
in Sagittarius in Gemini. So it's like, yes, there's a
lot of commotion about Ur Honest and Gemini right now,
but it's like, really, what happens there in twenty thirty one,
twenty thirty, like the early twenty thirties, Maybe that's when
there's like, I don't know, more productive technology or people
aren't like fearing things so much.
Speaker 2: What's so funny is I'm remembering at one point you
we often talk about like future transits, and I can
remember years ago you sending text messages about I think
that transit in particular. I mean there are other ones that.
Speaker 1: No, No, like there's a year that I haven't twenty
thirty five. I think that's one that's Saturn opposite Pluto
again with eclipses.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, that's definitely a little bit more dramatic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I was you brought it when I mentioned,
like I wanted to bring up this topic on the podcast,
how there was like a cradle aspect between is it
your honest Gemini, Pluto and Aquarius and Saturn and Neptune
and area.
Speaker 2: It's I mean to me, it's the most auspicious aspect
that you can have astrologically, because every single outer planet
sees one another. So this cradle aspect starts when Jupiter
goes into Leo in June thirtieth, but really it's in July. Yeah,
And that means immediately it opposes Pluto at the early
degrees of Aquarius, it forms a sex style to Uranus
at the early degrees of Gemini, and it forms a
trine to both Saturn and Neptune in areas interesting and
so a lot of those aspects are very supportive. The
sex style and trine are known to be these kind
of harmonious, flowing energies. The opposition does bring in tension,
but ultimately the cradle aspect it's called that because it
mimics how a baby is held in a cradle. I
think it helps show us where our vulnerabilities are, while
at the same time empowering us to do things in
a new and innovative or perhaps revolutionary way. Right do
you see?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to let you go in. But I
was going to say, out of all of those planets
being connected in this aspect, you see one that's going
to have like the most power this year there or
it's hard to tell.
Speaker 2: I mean, just by nature of knowing the lunar nodes
are going to move into Aquarius and Leo in July,
where Jupiter and Pluto are, I think that opposition is
going to be the loudest. Okay, yeah, and that probably
will continue to be the case for the rest of
the year. I mean that's not to say that we
won't recognize Urinus, Saturn or Neptune, but that opposition is
going to be just amplified by the nature of eclipses
being what we all feel very prevalently on like a
day to day basis, or especially during eclipse seasons, which
we have an eclipse season in August that will activate
all of that. But I was also going to say
that these are all outer planets, and so on the
one hand, the cradle aspect is very supportive and helps
to hold us, and on the other hand, it's not
like that means everything is like sunshine and rainbows. You know,
like the process of removing or even destroying structures and
systems that have existed for up to centuries is chaotic.
It can be really challenging, and yeah, there's there's a
process of adapting in that, which I think we already
see playing out now. But what I'm trying to help
instill in people is that this cradle aspect tells us
astrologically that on the other side of that enormous change
is a really strong and supportive number of systems that
we can all rely on for a much longer period
of time as we move into just a very different
age of humanity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see that as like a twenty thirties thing.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I was going to say, like, taking all
of this, all of these aspects like happening across the
air and fire signs applying them to an individual chart.
It's like you can expect maybe like that same level
of transformation or like maybe initial chaos, but then you're
implementing better structures across those linked houses in your chart.
Would you say, like that's something people can expect to
go on in twenty twenty six, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Seven, definitely. Yeah. If you look at your birth chart
and you look at the houses between Leo and Aquarius
where all those planets are, that would be in the
birth chart where the cradle is. So it's like that's
where a lot of the changes are going to be unfolding,
but also where you'll find yourself held in many ways.
It's not to say that the other half of the
chart gets left out or is completely just blind to
your experience, but I would doubt that there's going to
be the same kind of activity taking place in the
part of the sky where there aren't those major outer
planet shifts compared to the cradle.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the like Aquarius ares Gemini
than wrapping up at Leo. Yeah, and then it's like
not a ton is happening with like Virgo through like
Scorpio sage yea at the moment. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's interesting.
I need to go, like, look at how this might
play out in my own chart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for any Virgo risings out there, it
starts in the Aquarius sixth house of work, carries through
to Leo in the twelfth house, a place of spiritual
well being and endings and closure. So basically the first
house through the fifth house are the emptier parts of
the chart, which is to say, for Virgo risings, that
cradle is going to help push Virgo risings into a
place of more visibility because that cradle is basically in
the top half of the chart where everything is seen
by the light of the sun, but other people who
might be a Piscey's rising but have the opposite experience.
Speaker 1: I was going to say that, like theres would be
more about like internal work and figuring out who am I, Like,
how can I build up my creativity or my confidence exactly? Okay, yeah,
oh I love this. I want to talk about your
hypnosis journey to switch gears completely. I guess what started.
Speaker 2: This hold on?
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed what started this? For anyone watching the video,
Journey of Souls is our favorite book at the moment.
I mean, I read this in twenty eighteen. You just
read it this year. I re read it this year.
What is the book about? Like if you could sign up?
Speaker 2: So essentially, doctor Michael Newton, master hypnotherapist, who is responsible
for hundreds, if not thousands of case studies in hypnosis
for life between Lives, gives us this book Journey of Souls,
which is probably like thirty to forty case studies of
real client experiences that explore just questions around life and
death and what happens in between. So it is very
much oriented around the philosophy of reincarnation, and it goes
into past lives a little bit, but really looks at
what happens with the eternal soul when it is it
has just died in a human body, when it's being
reunited with its sole family, when it is preparing to
select a new life to come into, and all of
the karmic themes that get held in that process.
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but when I read this book,
I didn't like question anything. I was like, yeah, that's all,
that's exactly what happens.
Speaker 2: It felt like, I mean, it felt like i'd been
asleep for almost thirty years and it was like I'm
waking up to things that like they all resonate and
make so much sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so crazy. Like I just feel I find
the book to be super comforting because it's like, oh,
I chose this life for a reason. Yeah, like I
had options of where I wanted to go, and I
chose to have this specific path. And I love how
he talks about how like meeting people throughout this life,
like there's like a what is it called, not like
a hint or like a signal. Yeah, but you don't
remember it like in your conscious body, but like your
soul knows that that's the signal that that's like an
important person you're meant to meet. Like things like that
that he talks about in the book are so cool.
Speaker 2: Did you feel that way when you were meeting.
Speaker 1: Jesse I I'm trying to think if there was like
something he did. It was more just like a feeling
like after this random person had slid into my DM
saying she wanted to set me up with this guy,
I like had a dream that we were holding hands.
Oh and that was even before like we had settled
on a date, a first date or anything. So just
felt like comforted in that way. Yeah, But he talks
about in the book how they'll be like a dance
or couples like get met at a dance and there's
like a certain signal that they're giving each other. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that. He talks about how as souls they
will practice when they meet in their next life because
to your point, we have these amnesia blocks in our
conscious mind that are necessary so we don't continue to
body the kind of traumas and experiences that might have
played out in past lives. But because they're practicing, they're
basically priming each other to be able to find one
another in their next lives and perhaps feel that very
immediate spark of connection or love or whatever else.
Speaker 1: Because he talks about in this book, like all the
many phases like first dying in one body and then
like what happens after that as you're entering the spirit world,
and then you go before a council and like you
review your last life and then you figure out what
do you want your next life to be? Or also
you have like a group that you're associated with in
the spirit world, and like you're spending time with them
and like reviewing what happened what was like the most
meaningful part of the book to you? It stuck with
you the most.
Speaker 2: I think my favorite part of the book is the
way that it helped me transform what maybe before reading
the book I might have felt victimized by, and then
coming out of it, I'm like, I have a whole
new understanding of the kind of challenges that I encountered,
especially in my earlier life, like why might my soul
have chosen to be born into a family that was
basically poverty level for my entire childhood? Or why did
I choose to be born into a religious cult where
there is this extremist perspective on religion and spirituality. And
through the different case studies, he also has a second
book called Destiny of Souls, which is like one hundred
plus case studies, so even more dense and helpful. I've
been able to better understand some of the karmic origins
of the things that I've experienced in my life so far.
And it's also given me comfort in you know, I
haven't met my person yet, and now I'm like, well,
I don't really need to worry about that, because I'll
know intuitively, instinctively when that happens. How I feel like
we are meeting again for the first time, but after
no each other for a really long time.
Speaker 1: I like how this like way of thinking, like things
are just meant to happen at very like specific moments
and time is also like shown in astrology. Yeah, like
when you're meeting someone that is showing up very obvious
in a transit chart. Yes, or like when you're having
a baby for instance, or like moving to another country.
Like those types of big like turning points in life
are seen in astrology. Do you think like the birth
chart though, shows insight into a past life or what
would you say, yeah, are because I kind of think
is that the whole chart as just showing Like I
guess the whole birth chart is like what are these
lessons you came here to learn and what are you
working through? But what are there specifics you would prioritize more?
Speaker 2: There are two things. One is that house and the
sign that the south node is in right, Yeah, And
then for everybody, what is the sign the house or
what is the sign for the twelfth house of the chart,
because that twelfth house represents that moment just before you
were born into your body in the first, and so
it does hold a lot of insight into the qualities
and themes that would have been relevant for a more
recent past life experience. And an example of that would
be for myself, as a verbalising, my twelfth house is
where I have Leo, and so I've always felt from
a very young age, I have a very expensive taste.
I like nice things, and Leo is a sign that
is associated with royalty, and so I've always felt like
in a past life I probably had some sort of
experience either in a royal family or in a position
of wealth or privilege, and so this life, maybe I
chose something like being in a family that is more
poor and has to learn more financial lessons, because it
helps show me the other side of the value and
the meaning of building something financially from the ground all
the way up.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Would you also say that, like the
sign on the twelfth house shows what are challenges you've
been grappling with in the last life that are maybe
brought in as like still a challenge here.
Speaker 2: I think so maybe I might look more to the
south node for that, just because it shows us the
things that we are really comfortable and familiar with so
throughout our lives, we do find ourselves, especially during eclipse seasons,
confronted with different aspects of how can we actually push
ourselves into a place of uncomfortable change and leveling up.
For example, I have my south node in Ares and
my eighth house, and my north node in Libra and
the second house. And so for that particular topic, I see,
I am like very hyper independent and I like to
do things as much as possible on my own, but
part of my soul growth in this lifetime is about
leaning into asking for help and working with others and
not being so hyper independent all the time. And in
a way, I have my saturn right on my south note.
It also helps heal generational wounds related to my parents
their parents and the ways in which maybe they weren't
able to accomplish certain goals with being a business owner
or creating that network of people that you can lean
on and ask for help.
Speaker 1: I was also going to say this very much ties
back into the ages we were talking about, like the
late twenties, the nodal opposition, the mid thirties the nodal
return and every nine years increment after that, like getting
one of those and how it's like, Okay, you literally
get a push in the direction you're meant to be in. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. And that's also why in all of my consults,
especially when I do them during a clip season, I'm like,
just remember to surrender. You don't actually end up having
to do that much during eclipse seasons, because what is
so beautiful about the lunar nodes is how just naturally
you're going to be pulled onto your highest path for
your greatest good. It's just more about not resisting or
trying to force something that you think from the ego
mind is the right way for you to go. I
think a lot of times, especially nowadays, in the clients
that I work with, basically the younger generations, the millennials,
the Gen zs, they already are really tapped into their intuition,
and so I don't really see as much resistance, whereas
for my parents' generation, our grandparents' generation, I see that
come through so much more, where there is this obstinence
to moving into a new kind of life and wanting
to kind of maintain and hold on to what they've
known and just experience for the last decades, which I'm
not that age, I can't say, from experience, but I
can't empathize with finding comfort and not wanting to give
it up. Yeah, but the only constant in life is changed,
so you do have to wake up to that. Eventually.
Speaker 1: I wanted to finish with, like, how you've taken all
this work a step further and now you're doing regular
hypnosis sessions or you literally go into are you going
into you're going into a past life and also life
between life.
Speaker 2: Each session has been different. This last session I did
was very much about past lives. The session before that, though,
we did like a lot of inner child work, and
so it was a lot more somatic therapy parts work
inner child work. But then the session before that it
was the total opposite. It was like I was almost
astral projecting out of my body and I met my
spirit guides, I met soul, my higher self how I
call him, and they were sort of visualized by these
really beautiful lights, Like there was a golden light which
was representative of my spirit guides or my angels, whereas
my higher self was embodied by like a silvery white light,
and then there was a third that was more like
pinkish purple, almost like the color of a sunset, which
wasn't as clear, but indicated to me that it was
more of like a soulmate kind of energy pulling me
towards love and helping me to center my decision making
from a place of like heart led love. And so
that's totally different than the experiences I had in the
other sessions. And I still have one more in like
a week and a half that I'm I'm like, I
don't know what's going to happen. We're going to sort
of go along for the journey and see because we've
already covered it's been over ten hours of hypnosis so
far and this will be the last session.
Speaker 1: And I went to see him in twenty twenty. I
really need to go back because it's been like six
years and I'm like a different person. But he's so
good Leo Max. I want to have him on the
pod to talk about this process. But yeah, he's like
it's like three hours of like leading you into relaxation.
There was just something in my body that like resisted
fully relaxing. But I still got like that past live
memory as.
Speaker 2: A Viking, which was that's still and.
Speaker 1: I felt why I felt like I was in a
different body. We were talking about like how it's like
you're you feel like you're in a different body during this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had that experience into this last session where
it took a total turn from where I thought we
were going to go, because in the part of hypnosis,
we were focused very much on chakra work, and there
was a lot happening in my solar plexus, feeling like
disconnected from my heart chakra. And then all of a sudden,
I start looking down, but not actually looking with my eyes.
I have a blindfold on, and I don't recognize my
body at all. And then all of a sudden, the
picture gets clearer and clearer, and it's like I have
burns on my body. It's like charred flesh almost. And
then the picture becomes even more clear, and I come
to understand that I was literally struck by lightning, which
immediately my consciousness in that moment is just wondering, like,
what are the chances of this happening, and interestingly feeling
some of the pain and the discomfort in that physical
experience without the intensity of it, as if it were
actually in this physical body in this lifetime. And so
we explored the through line of that as I'm sure
you did with the whole Viking storyline.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like I was able to see why
I got that memory. It was like stuff involving like
not letting anyone in emotionally, and I felt like my
heart was like hard. It was like really weird. It
was like a stone heart and like weel like help
me to melt it.
Speaker 2: That's that's actually really beautiful. Yeah, no, the yeah, the
I had a very similar theme where that particular experience
informed how in this lifetime there is a huge emphasis
on the value and the power of physical touch, because
in that lifetime I was no longer able to experience
that without severe pain. In this lifetime, I am leaning
into things like yoga where there is a lot of
loving touch, or just in relationships, finding more comfort in
having a longer hug or being willing to like put
a hand on a shoulder. Just there's so much that
we don't often talk about or recognize when it comes
to skin to skin contact with people. And now after
that session, I'm excited to push myself a little bit
to explore it even more than I have been.
Speaker 1: It's interesting how you only get like memories from things
that you need to remember in that moment like you
can't access everything. It's like, no, this is a relevant
message for you. Now, this is all you're getting.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the big difference between the work that Leo
does with restorative hypnosis compared to doctor Michael Newton and
Journey of Souls, because that book is basically a case
study accumulation for research, so he was leading his subjects
down a particular path to gain more understanding of the
spirit world. Whereas Leo and a lot of modern hypnotherapists
act as a guide. They're not trying to push you
in one direction. They want to see where you naturally
go in your subconscious mind because that's inevitably going to
lead you to the things that you need to see
and understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I love this. Well, it was so good
having you on the pod. I could talk to you forever,
but I'm like, we have a time limit, but I'm like,
we could keep going. I need to have you back
at some point.
Speaker 2: I mean, thank you for having me back. I always
love these conversations with you. I feel like, yeah, I
could talk to you for for so long. This is
probably the fact that I have my My mercury is
at fourteen Leoh, which is right on top of your ascendant.
Speaker 1: Also, you just all the Gemini placements and they connect
with my self. Note we have a past life connection.
I know watch where We're probably in a soul family.
I'll see you when I die.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you, Seth?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me at the Stargazer g a
y z er that's on Instagram, on substack. On my website,
I offer chart readings for everybody across birth charts, transit charts, sinistry, astrocryptography.
And I also am really going to be fleshing out
this year in particular like recorded vinyasa or cosmic vinyasa flows,
because I've been teaching a lot in like kin in
person studios, but so much of my clients are global,
so I'm like, it'd be really cool to have a
digital archive of that too for everyone who's out and about,
so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: That's an amazing idea. I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you,