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your support. Last hour I went over a lot of
the details of this exclusive Wall Street Journal report. Jeffrey
Epstein's friends sent him body letters for a fiftieth birthday album.
One was from Donald Trump. Trump denies that he wrote this.
He says, those are not my words. I don't even
says I don't write pictures, I don't draw. Because there
was like a silhouette of a female around the text,
which is very odd. Script that was That was the
body of the text.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was literally a script with his voiceover. There must
be more to life than having everything. Donald, Yes, there is,
but I won't tell you what it is, Jeffrey, nor
will I since I also know what it is. Donald.
We have certain things in common Jeffrey Jeffrey, Yes, we do,
come to think of it, Donald Enigmas never age have
you noticed that, Jeffrey. As a matter of fact, it
was clear to me the last time I saw you
Trump a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and
may every day be another wonderful secret. There is something
I just want to put this out there too that
I have seen over the last ten years, since you know,
Trump came on the scene and people have attacked him
in all sorts of ways. I have seen some pretty
ridiculous thing that were conjured up, usually online he said,
oh this is this is Trump. Trump did this, he
said this or whatever, And a lot of these stories
over the years when debunked, when you know, the first
kind of investigation is held, they fall apart. But it's
quite obvious at the very beginning, because it reads like
somebody who hates Trump trying to channel Trump, but their
hatred comes through. Does that make sense? I get this
with callers, by the way, and emailers, people who pretend
to be maga, they pretend to be of the right,
and when and then they say something and it's like, well,
wait a minute, that that sounds almost like a leftist's
caricature of the right or of true Trump. And that's
what this kind of sounds like to me. It sounds
like it's written at a time when Trump is president
and people hate him. Because remember, people didn't hate Donald
Trump until he ran as a Republican and beat Hillary Clinton. Nope,
Trump had like near universal approval. Everybody loved Trump. He
was in more rap songs than any other businessman, maybe
any other guy in America. He was in so many
rap songs about being rich.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He was on Oprah all the time, he was on
Larry King, he was all over the place. He had
his very successful TV show, he was in movies. So
just reading this thing where it says there must be
if I were to just take out the voiceover the
stage directions basically of who's speaking voiceover, Donald Jeffrey, Donald Jeffrey,
there must be more to life than having everything. Yes,
there is, but I won't tell you what it is,
nor will I since I also know what it is. See.
So he's like he's communicating like I know what you're
doing because I do it too. I've been part of
what you've been doing. We both know, ha ha. And
then Donald says, we have certain things in common. Jeffrey, So, okay,
let's pretend for a moment that Donald Trump was part
of the sex prostitution, human trafficking, all of that stuff
around Epstein. Let's just say that that was all true.
Why would he say we have certain things in common?
Wouldn't Jeffrey already know that, right? Why would you say
that you wouldn't have to And then Jeffrey replies, yes,
we do, come to think of it. Wouldn't have to
come to think of it because you've been participating in
it with him, right, That's what I mean. Like this,
it reads as if it is ret conning, retroactive continuity.
You go back in the timeline to try to piece
together something, to make it fit, to make it work.
It's a literary device. That's what this reads like to me.
I don't know. I'm just telling you, like, this is
how it This is how it strikes me. And he says,
enigmas never age. Okay, well this was twenty five years ago,
so they both would have been fifty or so, right.
Why would you say that. Isn't that more of a
recent thing, like in the last ten years, fifteen years,
where everybody's like, man, Donald Trump, Like, has the guy
have all this energy that he sleeps for like three
hours a night and doesn't seem to age at all.
In fact, his hair gets blonder. It's very weird. Like yeah, yeah,
I just I don't I don't know. Let me head
over to the phones here and chat with Mike. Hello, Mike,
welcome to the show. Hey Pete, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 3: Thanks for taking it call. First of all, I really
do like the fact that you point out when something
like this comes up that you don't lead to a
conclusion because you just don't know and we really don't know.
And I get that point absolutely, But I'm going to
take both sides of this. Now let's say it. Well,
first of all, if it's not true, he should deny it, right,
And if it's if it is true, first of all,
there got to be more than one copy of this
book sitting out there, and maybe the onus is on
if they looked at the one at the Justice Department
of Wall Street Journal. I understand why they may not
be able to have a photograph or whatever of the page,
but they ot'll be able to find other copies sitting
out there. So if it's true. The onus is on
them to produce that, I think. But even and if
it is true, and here's the point I made to
your screener, I don't think there's a big smoking gun here.
You know, we knew who Donald Trump was before he
was elected the first time. Yeah, remember the whole access
Hollywood thing.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, I mentioned it in the last hour.
Speaker 3: Right right, Yeah, there's.
Speaker 1: Been no secret and it's not a secret. And Trump
has never denied that he used to go party in
and hang out in the same social circles as Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And so again, I don't think it's a
smoking gun for that reason. Everybody knew who he was already.
And I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Well, here's another thing you mentioned about the book, and
you said you think there may be other copies, and
they very well might be he apparently, according to the
Wall Street Journal story it talked about here, it is
the book was put together by a New York City
bookbinder named Herbert Whites, and according to people who were
involved in the process, they said this in Whites died
in twenty twenty, and he listed Epstein as a client
on his website back in two thousand and three. So
maybe there was a single book made and that was
it of these letters, and that's possible. But here's the thing.
That book, if it's in evidence in the DOJ files, right,
it's in their boxes of evidence or whatever, then it
seems to me like you could just release the book.
Let's see the book, Just put the book out, let's see.
Speaker 3: Well, you know that would have embarrass Trump at this point,
especially since he's denied it. So I don't think the
Justice Department's going to do that.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: The other thing is it's possible he might not have
even written this. He could have had somebody else on
his staff do it for him.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a good point too, And coming back to
the point I guess maybe my point about maybe there
are other copies of the book. Maybe not if these
were all original pages that were collected and bound into
a book by that bookbinder, maybe there wasn't only one.
If it was a birthday gift, I don't know. Yeah,
But anyway, but again back to the K point I
want to make, what's the big deal. I mean, you
and I might find the behavior represent reprehensible, but it's
nothing the public didn't already know. It's nothing of a
type that the public didn't already know about it, right,
And this is remember too, it was it was it
was not the burglary that cover that killed Richard Nixon.
It was the cover up.
Speaker 1: Well in the media pylon. Yeah. So the the point though,
that you're making about it's a nothing burger, that's the
point that Ed Morrissey made as well over at hot
air dot com. He's like, I don't I don't understand
the end. Yeah, like what He's acknowledged this many times
and according to Trump, it's not true. So who at
the Wall Street Journal thought it was a good idea
to run this after it was denied? If the story
had some actual and substantive news value, it might be
worth the risk. But it doesn't really have that value. So, Mike,
I appreciate the call, But yes.
Speaker 3: The text doesn't really body. It's the drawing.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly exactly right. Yeah, great point. I appreciate the call, Mike.
Could hear from you. I have a great weekend, all right, Right,
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He did I guess he did not stay on the
line right, but he made a point, which I think
is a really good one. Hadn't even considered it, I
would have got him on. But he told Bernie call
screening that he noticed how people or since this story
came out yesterday, that you've got a lot of people
that were agitated in magaworld. They with Trump, they were
mad at Trump and like, give us the documents. What
are you covering up all this stuff? They have now
moved back towards Trump because he's being attacked. I had
not considered that. So could it be that they released
it themselves, they put it out there in order to
unify the base. Again, I don't know. I mean, we're
all just spitballing here.
Speaker 2: Corey.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Hello, Corey, how are you?
Speaker 2: Hey, mister p thank you for taking my car. Certainly, yes, sir,
as always, I'm not a Republican, Democrat, liberal or constitutions conservative,
you name it. Not to be my only grum.
Speaker 1: You're just nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm a human being, what common sense?
Speaker 1: Right? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my whole argument with this is we're talking
about children being taken advantage of by demonic souls. I
don't care if they're Republicans, Conservatives, Democrat, the president, law enforcement, military.
This is a sickening thing that's happening. And for people
to say, oh, there's nothing to see here. Oh, it's
just a bunch of propaganda. These are the people that
are a problem in America. Right, But you have to
accept facts.
Speaker 1: Corey, you have to, Okay, So first off, you have
to separate out the the the crimes that Epstein was doing, right,
versus the handling of the of the case and the
files right that, like those are these are separate things
because I have been calling for you know, the people
who were engaged in the operation side by if if
they were like Prince Andrew for example, that guy paid
out millions of dollars to one of the uh, one
of these girls that that Epstein recruited in and that
tells me yeah, like and he started sweating during the interview,
and like all of this evidence around him, Like that's
like he's like the one guy that I'm aware of
that has his name believably attached to the uh, the
the operation. I would like to know. I want to
know all of the all of the other people that
were part of that operation too. They should be prosecuted. Yeah, yeah,
which right, And that's what people in you know, in
the MAGA world influencer crowd, that's what they have been
clamoring for for years. I've been saying it for years.
When I first became away of this case, I've been
saying the same thing. I want all of the all
of the clients identified and prosecuted. But that doesn't mean
that everybody that was in Epstein's orbit, that doesn't mean
everybody was involved in the whole operation of the pedophilia stuff.
Speaker 2: That's understandable that we see right now. There's a massive
trend of people in America that just don't want to
believe it, but will not entertain it.
Speaker 1: Well, believe what.
Speaker 2: That quote unquote president entertainers are doing demonic behavior things
with children on that island. We should need to be
discussing nothing.
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm not aware of anybody. Well, hang on, Corey,
I don't know anybody that's that refuses to believe that
Epstein did those things.
Speaker 2: I'm not I've never encountered for refusing. You have people
that are denial that a possible president could be included,
and the denial.
Speaker 1: Is see, okay, So now what you're doing, though, is
you're saying that the operation that Epstein was running, that
that that anybody around him then is automatically part of
that operation.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying, there are people who do not believe
that this is an issue. Who this we I don't
have Tom Mary Jane Susan's name. It's public. We all
see it. You just had a collar. They said, there's
nothing to see here the story.
Speaker 1: Well this story. No, no, he said this story that
this story isn't nothing.
Speaker 2: Here is something worth talking about.
Speaker 1: I've obviously spent over an hour talking about it, so
I agree with you there, right, But what I'm trying
to do is figure out what your point here is
because it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Is this okay?
Speaker 1: Go ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make it very simple.
Speaker 1: Yeah, please do.
Speaker 2: We're talking about children being done wrong by a bunch
of adults that are hiding behind political theater. Get the
list out so we can get these demonic people out
of here.
Speaker 1: So the uh, the Attorney General's office, the DOJ, Alan Dershowitz,
the lawyer for Epstein, they've all said there is no list.
But you don't believe they're right.
Speaker 2: So you think they're okay, Yes, sir, I think they're well.
Speaker 1: And that lines up. I mean that would line up
if you have any kind of preconceived idea of who's involved,
then yes, But like it's completely believable to me that
they would not keep a list. Now, I think they
probably have incriminating videos. I think they have evidence of people, right,
I think they because the whole that whole Pedophile Island
building was raked up with cameras and stuff. So they've
probably got all sorts of videos of people. Now who
are they? Why haven't they've been charged? I'm with you
on that. And look, if Trump is on any of
the videos, then that then yeah, he should burn for
it too. But it doesn't sound right. But but here's
the thing. Why wouldn't they have put this out over
the last decade when they smeared him with the Steele dossier,
which was false? If you had true things like this,
why wouldn't you have divulged it and take the guy
out a decade ago?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my belief is this because when political party
switch in power, they're covered their own by all means.
This has been going on the way before me and
you was even born in this political game. So to me,
I'm not just letting a pull of curtains over my eyes.
The Democrats on that list, there's recookies on that list,
they're all spoken.
Speaker 1: Why would somebody obviously leaked this story about the letter
with the writing the birthday letter? Somebody in DOJ leaked
this story right to the Wall Street Journal, And so
why wouldn't they have leaked If there's evidence and they
have seen the evidence that Trump was a participant in
the operations in the pedophilia all of that, why wouldn't
they have done it when they have been leaking NonStop
against Trump for the decade. That doesn't make sense to
no that doesn't know. That doesn't because there are leftists
inside the DOJ that obviously want to hurt Trump, and
they've been trying to do so for a decade. So
why would it just start now with Epstein? It just
doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: That it's a leftist or is it speculation that it's
a leftist?
Speaker 1: There are leftists inside DOJ that have been leaking information,
leaking things to harm Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Batu or speculatory, that's.
Speaker 1: Not a word, but it's factual. People have been leaking
against Trump. All right, that's it? All right, there you go.
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Speaker 1: Don't call it a bombshell. They call it an ex
exclusive story from the Wall Street Journal. And you know,
if you think you know all of the players and
the machinations going on behind the scenes, and that have
been going on behind the scenes for fifteen years, then
like I I I'm just gonna be honest, and I
kind of dismiss your you know, your assertions. And if
you think you know what all the players and all
of the machinations are, like, there's no way, there's no
way you could know not at this point. And maybe
we find out, maybe we don't, but whatever comes out,
if anything, is not going to satisfy a large chunk
of the population because a lot of times, you know,
the conspiracy theories are too much fun, and when people
have drawn lines in the sand and they've said this
is what really happened, I know what's going on, they
can't move off those lines. They don't want to admit
that they were wrong about something, or they have preconceived
prejudices and such, and so they're not going to move
off of their positions. So the conspiracies will will never die.
So I can talk about the different theories that are
out there, and I can ask all of the questions.
And to me, one of the biggest ones that I
just asked Corey because Corey seemed to indicate that he
thought that the president is implicated in the Epstein trafficking ring, Well,
I've seen no evidence to prove that. So but you know,
if you've got evidence, then let's see it. And the
big question that I keep asking is if you had
this evidence for the last decade against you know, literally Hitler,
the threat to democracy to the point where you were
fabricating all sorts of other stories about Trump over the
last decade, why wouldn't you have used something that was
actually real? Right, So John says, even Eric Erickson doesn't
think that that letter sounds like Trump. Eric Erickson's not
a big Trump guy. Email from Thomas, who says, subject
line more Epstein again, love your show, but tired of
hearing about Epstein's story again. Best part of your broadcast
version is the DODA DA theatrical highlight. Oh you mean this?
It always makes me laugh. You are probably close to
the truth that he was involved with international political or
criminal activities. His two thousand and eight sentence of eighteen
months surely indicated that he was connected and protected. It
has been so long and so mixed up that the
truth has been buried so deep. The real truth may
never be known. All the documents released won't matter in
the long run. Dead Men Tell No Tales is how
the game ends. Yeah, and that's what makes it, you know, unfulfilling,
but also gives the story legs in perpetuity. It will
continue on because of that. Dennis says, I for a
long time have thought that there are two types of
politicians in DC, the caught and the uncaught. That's fair.
Another message. You referred to any potential customers of Epstein
and Maxwell's as John's. Where do you get off stereotyping
a whole section of people based on their names? I
am insulted. I am so mad, signed John. Let me
see here, this is from pretty lengthy here. I might
have to wait to read that, Timotheo, because that's a
pretty lengthy comment there. This is from Drew. Two things
about this new bombshell Epstein report Number one, It sounds
like somebody trying to extort something I e. Faked maybe
by Epstein himself. What the letter is faked by Epstein?
It was compiled by Maxwell, So I don't know. Could
this have been done to ruin the reputation of the
Wall Street Journal by getting them to publish this without authentication? Also,
Russia isn't low enough to do something to distract Trump
and his administration. Look, this is this is also part
of it, right, This is part of the This would
be part of the political dynamic going on here is
that now this story comes out right timed for the
maximum impact. Now, maybe somebody had this document or knew
about it or something, and all of the Epstein stuff
in the news recently prompted them to finally break their
silence and divulge information from an investigation of over you know,
fifteen years ago or something. Yeah, maybe maybe that's what
did it, Or maybe it's timed to drive the wedge
to double down, to keep splintering and fracturing the magabase
and to keep Trump and his administration talking about this story.
When they want to talk about all of their successes. Right,
They're like a lot of these different things can be
true at the same time. Beware of people that offer
you only two choices right, the false dichotomy you gotta
do this or that it's either this, or that it
can be more than one thing at the same time.
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a message from Timoteo on Twitter. There is a confluence
of ideocracy that is leading the public's attention away from
the achievements of Trump's second administration. One involves the Democrat's
own brand of time blindness, which prevents them from seeing
anything that happened before what what point in time they
are focused on. This is how Democrats completely missed the
fact that Biden and Democrats were in power before Trump
took office for a second time, and could have released
the Epstein files while they were fighting to save democracy
itself from literally Hitler by any means possible. Releasing some
paperwork would seem to fall under the by any means possible,
but the fact that they didn't would indicate that there
was nothing to tie Trump to Jeffrey Epstein. From the
other direction, there comes a near rabid charge by hardcore
magas steeped in naievete I never know how to pronounce
that word. To exact justice for every pervert found on
the Epstein client list. If it actually exists, they demand
that these clients be brought to justice, without any idea
of how justice would be achieved. It is as if
they believed that a monster capable of pimping out children
would be of sufficient character as to never tell a lie.
If that list actually exists, there is no way to
know if any person who appears on it is actually
guilty of being a client. Alan Dershowitz is a prime
example of this, having been named as a client and
proving in court that the accusation was false. Right, And
this is what I was talking about earlier. Actually, Epstein
had a black book. It was an address book, a
contacts book, but everybody was in there, all of his
contacts were and Dershowitz was a lawyer for him. And
he had met Dershowitz because he wanted to go to Israel.
He had never been, and so he knew nobody, and
so he asked to be put in contact with people whatever.
So that's how Dershwitz ended up in this book. And
then Epstein used him as his lawyer. And this then
when his name got outed, some woman accused him of
being part of the ring, and then she later recanted,
said she made it all up and she was troubled. Right,
she was a troubled person, and he showed in court
that the accusation was false. The same could be true
for any person who shows up on that list. But
then again, it doesn't really matter if they are innocent
or not. It has to be proven that they are guilty.
And until it has been proven they then any entity
that publishes their names with the accusation will be committing
libel and find themselves being student. Well, you can public
if they get charged. Yeah, if they get charged. And
that's that's the thing. Like, did Epstein keep a separate list?
Like here are the people that I have compromised, you know,
here are the people that participated in the illegal activities,
and then these are the people that I was acting
as a bagman for intel agencies to fund covert projects
that their governments didn't want them to be right, Like,
I don't know, but he keeps separate lists. That sounds
pretty That does not seem secure, But maybe he did
as insurance right, he could have every success of Trump.
This is back to Timoteo's message. Every success of Trump's
second administration will be ignored in favor of coverage of
constant lawsuits and conspiracies over what Epstein files Trump didn't release,
because lord knows, no amount of transparency will ever be enough.
Democrats have found in maga's naive demand for justice their
own Russia collusion two point zero where twenty four to seven.
Until November twenty twenty eight, the only coverage in mainstream
media will be about Trump and the cover up of
the Epstein files. Let me see here, this is an
eighth three number. I don't believe Trump was involved because
of exactly the point you are making, which was why
did they not release any of this stuff earlier to
prevent him from winning? Why do you think Epstein's girlfriend
is still alive? I raised that same question earlier. I
don't know. It doesn't It doesn't make sense to me.
If Epstein did not kill himself, if he was whacked
because of what he knew and who he was going
to take down with him, she would be able to
do the same. But she's still alive, right, So that's
that's odd. Have you considered that maybe Gleane Maxwell is
the asset and he was not, and this could be
the reason she is still alive. That's possible too, right
because her dad. The texter here points out that her
father look at his father or her father, Yeah, he
was a shady guy. Maxwell was. He was all connected
to intelligence services and stuff. So it's possible that she
was an asset. Although now she's in prison, so I
don't know. Let's see here, I'm trying to get through.
There's a bunch of texts here, Kenny from mint Hill.
Isn't it interesting that the UK was the first to
cut a tariff deal and then the Epstein files became uninteresting?
Maybe a side deal to protect the royal family. I
am a Trump supporter, but Trump is a deal maker.
That's interesting. That's a theory. Yeah, maybe they maybe used
it to pressure the UK into doing a tariff deal,
like you know, we got these EPs files and such whatever.
I don't know, but they've been saying that for Trump
ran on this. I mean, people all around Trump World
we're talking about, you know, we're going to release all
the Epstein files and stuff. I see here. I'm trying
to get like, this interface is is not the best?
Doesn't the FA require flight plans including passenger manifest to
be filed for every flight yes. In fact, it's in
the Wall Street Journal article, which we've already known about
Epstein and Trump spent time together. Here it is spokes Yeah,
because Trump or Clinton was on the flights too. Maybe
I don't think I highlighted the part of this. It's
a very lengthy story, but it's in there, and it
talks about the number of flights that Trump appeared on.
There was like four of them, like twenty five twenty
eight years ago or something, and then like one in
the next year, one in the next year, and one
in the next year. But they were always from Florida
up to New York. So yeah, but the flight logs,
I don't know if Yeah, Trump along with others including Clinton,
appeared several times on flight logs, according to two thousand
and two. And then they do over there Trump had
the falling out. Then yeah, well it's listed in here,
but they a lot of the flight logs are known.
So oh, and now I'm accused of is this one
here towing the company line? I don't even know what
that means? What's the company line on this? I feel
like I've gone over every single angle you could see
in this story. Well, what do I know?
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