WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:10.080 On a cold morning in June of nineteen ninety four, 2 00:00:10.679 --> 00:00:13.880 a twenty two year old man called emergency services and 3 00:00:13.919 --> 00:00:16.920 he told them he had found his entire family dead 4 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:20.960 inside their home, all of them shot in cold blood. 5 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:25.559 What followed, though, was not just a murder investigation, but 6 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:29.800 a case that would split a country, challenge the justice system, 7 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:34.439 and leave behind more questions than answers. See, the only 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.000 people who could have been responsible for those murders were 9 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:41.920 those who lived inside of the home itself, and yet, 10 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:46.560 even decades later, the massacre of the Bain family still 11 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:51.679 remains one of New Zealand's most debated and unresolved cases. 12 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:56.240 This is the story of the Bain Family massacre. 13 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:02.000 My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and are listening to Wicked Ingram, a. 14 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:13.040 True crime podcasting. The following podcast material more audience listeners. 15 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.959 I just had my first sip of coffee, like just 16 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:39.000 it was the in between recording that intro. And now 17 00:01:39.079 --> 00:01:40.760 I've only had one cup of coffee this morning and 18 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:41.760 it's nine am. 19 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:44.280 So now you feel like you're ready for the day 20 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.200 that it's going through your veins, I. 21 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.400 Mean a little bit like I'm not someone who depends 22 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:51.200 on coffee for caffeine. I could probably drink decaf and 23 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:55.079 it wouldn't fucking matter. It's just that that ritual of 24 00:01:55.120 --> 00:01:58.159 the hot, earthy drink, you know, it just revitalizes me 25 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.480 that alone, like tea does a very good job of 26 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:00.799 it too. 27 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:04.000 Well, how come you don't like macho then it tastes 28 00:02:04.040 --> 00:02:05.280 like grass? That's earthy? 29 00:02:05.560 --> 00:02:09.080 Well it's a little too earthy. Maybe maybe I'm more 30 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.800 of a dirt flavored person, not a grass flavored person. 31 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:12.319 How's that. 32 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:16.439 I'm very curious the percentage of adults that feel like 33 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.439 the need to have a cup of coffee in the 34 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:21.680 morning to kind of like start their day right, like. 35 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:25.199 Caffeine wise or what yeah, yeah. 36 00:02:24.680 --> 00:02:27.120 Caffeine or even just the ritual or whatever. 37 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:28.439 I'd imagine it's high. 38 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:30.479 I bet it's at least seventy five percent. 39 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:32.879 Probably should I google it right now? 40 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:34.000 I think that you should. 41 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:40.000 What percentage of adults need to start their. 42 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:43.759 Day with coffee? Cup of coffee, cup of java? 43 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:48.120 Okay, so Google's little AI thing says approximately sixty six 44 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:54.639 to seventy three percent of Americans drink coffee daily, But 45 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.800 it also says about thirty six of adults specifically identify 46 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.080 as morning coffee drinkers and that's how they start their day. 47 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:06.080 Okay, so I'm probably a minority, then I'm thinking minority. 48 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.479 Oh, you're definitely a minority. Yeah, yeah, but you weren't 49 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:10.280 too far off when you said seventy five percent. It 50 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:12.159 seems like it's like sixty six to seventy three is 51 00:03:12.199 --> 00:03:12.879 what it says here. 52 00:03:13.080 --> 00:03:16.319 Dang, that's so high. I don't know. That must be. 53 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.800 There is obviously a huge market then for coffee, right, Oh, 54 00:03:19.919 --> 00:03:24.240 definitely should really tap into that. I guess. Obviously there's 55 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:27.919 like Starbucks and whatever on every corner of the street 56 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:28.840 in some big cities. 57 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.120 But artistsan roasters. I mean, I've always wanted to start 58 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.039 my own little like coffee roasting and stuff. I should one. 59 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.479 Day, Yeah, make your own coffee kind of. 60 00:03:37.400 --> 00:03:39.280 Fun wicked coffee or something. 61 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:41.879 But it would probably be such a shame if I 62 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.560 don't drink it. Would that make me a coffee drinker? 63 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:46.280 Have to make me a coffee drinker? 64 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:47.159 Maybe it would? 65 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:49.080 That would be what did it? Eh? 66 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:52.400 Maybe? Although I do have to bring up Macha here though, 67 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:56.599 because I saw a joke the other day this girl 68 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.560 was like showing off her Macha or whatever. And then 69 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:02.159 she had like the tin of all the stuff and 70 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:03.840 she went to like lift it up to the camera 71 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:07.680 for this reel, and she showed the camera what it was, 72 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.960 and then the lid blew open and then Macha went everywhere, 73 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.759 spilling on her. And then some dude reacted to the 74 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:15.759 video and with like the best joke ever, and he's like, 75 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.800 h looks like your shirt, Macha's your drink. 76 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:22.040 Oh my god. 77 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.360 I laughed way too hard. It was so good. 78 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:28.439 I do admit, Macha can make a huge mess. Really. 79 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:30.920 The powder is kind of annoying and obnoxious. 80 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:32.560 Yeah, fair, but I don't know. 81 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:33.800 It's like pretty too. 82 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:37.600 But soaking ground coffee. You'd spill that gets everywhere, honestly. 83 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.560 If you it, I guess. But it matches more like 84 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:42.000 a loose powder, right, Yeah. 85 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:46.279 Yeah, It's definitely got that fluffiness, the fine greenness to it. 86 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:49.639 I think enough talking about these drinks this morning. Are 87 00:04:49.680 --> 00:04:50.480 you ready for this case? 88 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:52.680 Let's talk about murder instead? 89 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:56.720 Talk about murder. This is definitely murder. I will tell 90 00:04:56.720 --> 00:04:59.079 you that. I don't go into too many graphic details, 91 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.079 but it is an unsolved case and it is quite 92 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:03.720 the story. 93 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:06.319 I'll tell you nineties, you said, I think right, yes. 94 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:08.439 From the nineties. I'll tell you right now, once you 95 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.199 figure it out, you might want to stick around and 96 00:05:11.240 --> 00:05:14.600 wait more to really develop your opinion. If you have 97 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:17.480 your opinion figured out, you're probably going to change it, 98 00:05:17.600 --> 00:05:19.319 and then you're probably going to change it back, and 99 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:21.680 then you might even change it again. That's how this 100 00:05:21.839 --> 00:05:22.600 case is going to go. 101 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:24.399 Okay, were ready hear it? 102 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:28.040 Okay? So, on the morning of June twentieth, nineteen ninety four, 103 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:33.040 at approximately seven nine am, emergency services in Duneda, New Zealand, 104 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:38.160 received a call from twenty two year old David Bain. Now. 105 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:40.639 The call was urgent right from the start, with David 106 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.480 immediately telling operators that something was seriously wrong inside his home. 107 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:50.040 On every street, not every street. This name was every street. Okay, 108 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:52.240 So it's not on every single street. It's on this 109 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:53.839 street that is named every street. 110 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.040 That's kind that would bring up some confusion when you're 111 00:05:57.040 --> 00:05:58.439 telling people that your address. 112 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.800 Yeah. When as operators tried to understand the situation, David 113 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:08.279 stated very clearly, quote they're all dead, my family, they're 114 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:13.519 all dead end. Quote. Throughout the call, David's voice was 115 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.839 strained and emotional, but he was still able to respond 116 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.360 to the operator's questions. He provided his name and confirmed 117 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:24.199 his address, allowing emergency services to identify the location rather 118 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.879 quickly despite the confusing street name. Now, the operator also 119 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.839 attempted to gather more specific information about what had happened 120 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:34.360 inside the home, including whether anyone was still alive or 121 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:38.839 required immediate medical attention or what. However, David did not 122 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:42.360 provide a detailed explanation of the situation inside the home. 123 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.279 His responses remained focused on the fact that his entire 124 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.759 family was deceased, rather than describing individual victims or explaining 125 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:51.720 how he'd come to find him in that state that 126 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.199 they were in. Now, the call itself was relatively brief 127 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.360 and ultimately did not contain a full account of events, 128 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.120 with no explanation of what David had seen or done 129 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:04.759 prior to contacting you Know nine one one. Instead, the 130 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:08.399 call served primarily as an alert that something catastrophic had 131 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:11.879 occurred inside the home, didn't tell the story of how, why, 132 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:16.000 or anything outside of that. Now, based on the information provided, 133 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.600 police and paramedics were sent immediately to the address, preparing 134 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.720 for a situation that could involve multiple fatalities and potentially 135 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:28.000 even still an ongoing threat, because that fact alone was 136 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.680 still unclear. So when emergency services arrived at the Bain 137 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.720 family home on every street within minutes of the call, 138 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:38.560 it was approximately seven twenty am, with the conditions outside 139 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:43.360 being cold and dim with limited natural light. Officers approached 140 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.120 to property with very little confirmed information. All they knew 141 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:50.240 was that a caller inside the home had reported multiple 142 00:07:50.279 --> 00:07:53.639 deaths and no indication if there were still an active 143 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:57.399 situation unfolding that had caused these deaths, and because of 144 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:03.079 that uncertainty, police did not immediate treat the scene as secure. See, 145 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:06.800 there was a real possibility that whoever was responsible could 146 00:08:06.879 --> 00:08:10.399 still be inside the house, so officers approached very cautiously, 147 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:14.839 aware they could be walking into a potentially very dangerous situation. Now, 148 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:18.040 this initial hesitation shaped how they entered the home, as 149 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.759 they had to balance the urgency with personal safety as well. 150 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.319 They had to look out for themselves. Now. The house 151 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:28.560 itself appeared run down and poorly maintained, consistent with reports 152 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:30.600 that the Bain family home had fallen into a state 153 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:33.759 of disrepair. When officers stepped up to the front door, 154 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.279 they didn't receive an immediate response when they knocked, despite 155 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.919 the emergency call having just been made from inside the. 156 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:43.080 Home, which is super eerie. 157 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.159 Exactly so this only added to the uncertainty intention of 158 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.679 the situation building. But eventually police made the decision that 159 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:52.039 they needed to force their entry in the home to 160 00:08:52.080 --> 00:08:55.320 gain access and assess what was going on, and when 161 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:59.639 they did, officers quickly located David Bain. He was found 162 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.759 on the floor. He was in deep distress and repeatedly 163 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.919 stating that his family was dead. His behavior was described 164 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.080 as deeply emotional and extremely overwhelmed. 165 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:13.080 Okay, but he wasn't hurt himself. It was just he 166 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.000 was in shock and agony because his family was dead. 167 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.519 Correct, he just found all of them dead, which. 168 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:20.960 Ooh, I couldn't imagine. That would just be the most 169 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:21.759 brutal thing ever. 170 00:09:21.919 --> 00:09:25.440 Yeah. Now, as officers began moving through the home, the 171 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.519 inside of the house was heavily cluttered, with belongings scattered 172 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:31.559 throughout the rooms, and it appeared to be disorganized and 173 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.840 again very poorly maintained. The layout itself was somewhat confusing too, 174 00:09:35.919 --> 00:09:40.039 with narrow spaces, partially obstructed hallways and areas separated by 175 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.200 makeshift divisions rather than clearly defined rooms, but this made 176 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.080 movement through the house a lot slower as officers worked 177 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.960 methodically to check and clear each and every space. The 178 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:55.759 first body they found was located in the living room. 179 00:09:56.080 --> 00:09:59.559 It was that of Robin Bain, the father. He was 180 00:09:59.600 --> 00:10:02.080 found on floor in a pool of blood with a 181 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:04.639 gunshot wound to his head, and there was a twenty 182 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:09.240 two caliber semi automatic rifle that was lying nearby the 183 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.159 position of the body and the presence of the weapon 184 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:15.639 suggested a possible self inflicted gunshot, but this had not 185 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:20.000 been confirmed yet. Officers continued through the house to determine 186 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.279 whether anyone else was present or whether medical assistants could 187 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.039 still provide anything to someone else who might still be 188 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.720 clinging to life. In a nearby bedroom, they discovered eighteen 189 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.639 year old Lynette Baine lying in a bed. She was 190 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.159 David's younger sister, and she had been shot in multiple 191 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.240 times at close range, and the injuries were concentrated to 192 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:44.039 the upper body area, including her head and torso. Moving 193 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:47.759 further through the house, officers located Margaret Bain that was 194 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:50.120 the mother of the family, and she was also in 195 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.480 a bedroom, and she too had been shot multiple times. 196 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:55.480 The injuries were concentrated again to her upper body, including 197 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:59.440 the head, torso and chest area. In another room, they 198 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:03.440 found eighteen year old Arwa Bain, another one of David's 199 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.279 younger sisters. Unlike the others, though she was not positioned 200 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.000 in bed in a typical resting posture, which suggested that 201 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.039 she may have been awake at the time of the attack, 202 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.240 but she too had been shot, with her injuries involving 203 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:19.159 the head and upper body torso area, and her fatal 204 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.720 shot being to the head like the others. The final 205 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:26.480 discovery came when officers located fourteen year old Stephen Bain. 206 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:29.879 He was David's younger brother and was the youngest member 207 00:11:29.879 --> 00:11:33.200 of the family. He was in a separate room and 208 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:38.000 was not immediately visible. Now his injuries were different. They 209 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:41.360 showed very clear signs of a struggle, which indicated that 210 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.480 he had not been killed instantly when he was first 211 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:47.679 shot and attempted to defend himself. There were indications that 212 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:51.200 the shot had initially failed to incapacitate him, and it 213 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:55.000 was followed by a physical confrontation with his attacker before 214 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:59.480 it was ultimately well a killing shot by the gun 215 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:00.759 that would take them down. 216 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:05.120 Holy shit, So this is what two adults and. 217 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:09.639 Three kits, five members of the family shot and killed. 218 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:11.919 Oh my gosh. Well, I mean it does kind of 219 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.240 make sense that not all of them were, you know, 220 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:16.519 taken by surprise, right. 221 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.039 Yeah. Now, the thing though, is twenty two caliber rifle. 222 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.200 I mean, yeah, it is. It's still a gun shot, 223 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:26.799 but twenty two calibers are relatively quiet. Just for clarification, 224 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:30.559 the bullets are rather small. We've talked about this in 225 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.559 the show before. It's a It was a very popular 226 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.320 choice by you know, the mafia and gang members way 227 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:38.480 back in the day because a bullet will enter a 228 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:43.000 brain cavity, not exit the skull, rattle around, scramble the brains, 229 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:45.919 so you have less of a mess, but also a 230 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:49.159 quieter shot to help, you know, keep things a little 231 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:50.360 a little more stealthy. 232 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:53.360 But even if the gun is quiet, there could be 233 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:56.519 noise made from like the other family members and stuff too, right, 234 00:12:56.600 --> 00:12:57.360 one hundred percent. 235 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.480 And I'm not saying that the gun is quiet enough 236 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.559 to not be heard. It's just a lot quieter, quiet 237 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:05.399 enough that you can maybe shake it off as something else. 238 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:08.799 You know, or that a neighbor would maybe not necessarily 239 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:10.039 be like, that's a gun shot. 240 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:13.000 For sure. Maybe the first shot or two might not 241 00:13:13.080 --> 00:13:15.879 wake someone up if they're sleeping, even but that it's 242 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:17.960 still a gun going off in a home. It's going 243 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:21.200 to wake people up. And perhaps that's how this played out, 244 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.840 you know what. A couple of them were sleeping, then 245 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.000 the other one was maybe awake in bed but not sleeping, 246 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.639 and then the final one being the youngest son, well 247 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:35.399 maybe he came face to face with the attacker as 248 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:36.879 he was entering the bedroom, right. 249 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.240 Yeah, he was like, no, like, I'm going to try 250 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:40.960 to well fight for my life. 251 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.960 Yeah. Now across the house, the pattern of the killings 252 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.480 began to emerge. Most the victims appeared to have been 253 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.440 shot in or near their beds just as we were talking, 254 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:51.679 suggesting that they had been attacked while they were sleeping 255 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:55.679 or shortly after waking up. Stephen's case, of course, stood 256 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.279 out due to the evidence of resistance, making it clear 257 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.120 that at least part of the attack involved direct physical conflict. Now, 258 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:06.519 at this point, officers had confirmed that all five members 259 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.519 of the Bain family were dead inside the home, outside 260 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.440 of course David, who was the one who found them. Now, 261 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:15.639 with the rifle located near Robin Bain's body, and the 262 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:18.600 distribution of the victims through at the home, the initial 263 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.799 impression began to take shape. Based on what they were seeing, 264 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:25.039 it appeared very possible that Robin Bain had shot his 265 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:29.799 family before turning the gun on himself and self deleting. 266 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.440 Now police soon secured the scene and began documenting what 267 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:36.799 they had found, and another detail was found that reinforced 268 00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:39.720 this theory. See, there was a message found on the 269 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.000 family's computer. On the screen were the words that said, 270 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:47.639 quote sorry, you're the only one who deserved to. 271 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:51.960 Stay end quote poor Okay. 272 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.159 Yeah, it seems like this is like some sort of 273 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.799 explanation or maybe a farewell, But it was interpreted by 274 00:14:58.840 --> 00:15:02.519 early investigators as a possible suicide note left behind by 275 00:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.679 the killer, who was assumed to be Robin, the father 276 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:06.639 of the family. 277 00:15:06.519 --> 00:15:09.919 And the explanation for why David was still alive exactly. 278 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:12.559 So, if Robin had written it, it could have been 279 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.279 read maybe even as an apology directed towards David specifically. 280 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.679 I mean, it does say sorry, right, seems to be 281 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.720 talking about him, who was the only surviving member. Now, 282 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:24.120 at this stage, there was no clear sign of forced 283 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.679 entry and no immediate indication that an outside attacker had 284 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:31.360 been involved. Now, David's presence in the home, combined with 285 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:34.919 his emergency call, placed him as the sole surviving witness. 286 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:38.879 Now soon officers began talking to him as the investigation 287 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:41.879 began to unravel, and he soon told them that he 288 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.919 was out completing his paper route during the early hour mornings, 289 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:47.360 and he had come home to find the murder scene 290 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:50.919 at the house. Now, based on those early observations and 291 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.200 evidence of the murder's suicide theory, it formed that way 292 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.320 very quickly. But to understand how investigators approached this case, 293 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.480 it is important to look at the Bain family itself 294 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:04.919 and the environment inside the home leading up to that 295 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.759 fateful night, because there's a lot more than David being 296 00:16:08.759 --> 00:16:13.000 out on a paper route and an explosion of murder 297 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:17.960 happening while he's gone. Now, to most, the family might 298 00:16:17.960 --> 00:16:22.919 have appeared relatively ordinary, but internally there were signs of tension, division, 299 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:26.919 and instability that had been building over time. Robin Bain, 300 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:29.960 the father, was a school teacher and had spent a 301 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:34.559 significant portion of his career working overseas as a missionary educator. 302 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:37.799 His wife, Margaret Bain had developed a very different set 303 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:40.960 of beliefs over the years too. See while Robin maintained 304 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:45.399 a more traditional religious outlook, Margaret became increasingly interested in 305 00:16:45.799 --> 00:16:51.639 spiritual philosophy, astrology and alternative practices, including seances and the 306 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:55.639 idea of communicating with spirits. Now these differences were not 307 00:16:55.919 --> 00:16:59.440 minor disagreements, they had grown into a very deep divide 308 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:03.320 within the house household, contributing to many ongoing conflicts between 309 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:08.160 the two. The family had spent approximately fifteen years living 310 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:11.079 in Papua New Guinea before returning to New Zealand in 311 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.240 nineteen eighty eight, and during their time overseas, the children 312 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:18.000 had been largely homeschooled and a lifestyle was described as 313 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.519 pretty unstructured, to say the least. When they returned to 314 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.720 the city Dunedin in New Zealand, the transition was it 315 00:17:24.799 --> 00:17:27.960 was very difficult for several members of the family, particularly David, 316 00:17:27.960 --> 00:17:31.079 who was around sixteen at the time sea, adjusting to 317 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:35.240 a more conventional school environment and social structure. It proved 318 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:40.359 extremely challenging after years of more un isolated upbringing. Now, 319 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.039 by the time the murders had occurred, the Baine household 320 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:47.119 was no longer functioning as a unified family home. The 321 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:51.920 relationship between Robin and Margaret had broken down significantly, and 322 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:54.839 Robin had effectively been pushed out of the main home 323 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:58.599 and was living separately, often staying in a caravan or vehicle, 324 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.720 while still maintaining some sort of connection to the home 325 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:06.559 and his kids. Now. Despite this physical separation, though, he 326 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.400 continued to provide financial support, which added another layer of 327 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:15.000 tension to a very strained already situation. Now inside the home, 328 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:19.640 there were also divisions amongst the children. David, being the 329 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.480 oldest at twenty two, was still living at home and 330 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.640 working a paper route while also pursuing interests in music 331 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:29.680 and performance. He was widely described as being very close 332 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.599 to his mother and aligned with her on her ongoing 333 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:34.880 conflict with the father, so he kind of sided with 334 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.880 his mom now. Arowa, one of his younger sisters, was 335 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:42.000 seen as responsible and academically successful, while Lanaiette, one of 336 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:44.319 the other sisters, had been living away from the home 337 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.079 and had her own separate challenges and personal issues. But 338 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:50.640 I digress on that now. Stephen, the youngest at fourteen, 339 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:53.279 was still a teenager and was largely caught in the 340 00:18:53.319 --> 00:18:56.039 middle of the family dynamic, and when it came to 341 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:59.680 the house itself, it reflected the state the family was in, 342 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:04.480 being described as cluttered, poorly maintained, and invisible decline. The 343 00:19:04.480 --> 00:19:08.599 physical environment, combined with the emotional and psychological divisions within 344 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.640 the home, created a setting where tension had become a 345 00:19:11.839 --> 00:19:17.079 constant presence rather than an occasional occurrence, and so by 346 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.079 June of nineteen ninety four, the Bain family was no 347 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.200 longer operating as a stable unit. While none of this 348 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:27.160 explained what had happened on the morning of June twentieth, 349 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:32.000 it at least provided important context for investigators and as 350 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.880 they tried to understand how something so violent could occur 351 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:40.480 inside a family home now on June nineteenth, nineteen ninety four, 352 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:44.640 the night before the murders took place, This also became 353 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:47.960 an important point of focus for investigators as they tried 354 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:53.559 to understand the following morning. See that evening, multiple members 355 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:55.759 of the Bain family were present at the house on 356 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.480 every street. Lanniette Bain, who had not been living at 357 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.440 the home full time time, was present that night, so 358 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.240 her return placed all of the family members under that 359 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:12.039 same roof. In the hours leading up to the killings. Now, allegedly, 360 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:15.079 there may have been plans for a family discussion or 361 00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:19.279 confrontation involving Lenniette that night too. It was later reported 362 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:22.559 that she had intended to address certain personal matters with 363 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:25.359 the family, although the exact nature of what she had 364 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.200 planned to say and how that conversation might have unfolded 365 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:32.559 was never fully confirmed. What is clear, though, is that 366 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:37.200 her presence that night introduced an additional layer of the 367 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:42.359 unknown of uncertainty into an already unstable environment. 368 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:47.400 Okay, so she didn't live there full time, but they 369 00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:50.599 were having a good old family meeting potentially those are 370 00:20:50.640 --> 00:20:54.799 always awesome, and she was there for that and then 371 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:58.440 stay the night or something correct, is what they're thinking. 372 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.839 Yes, so the family doesn't all live in the same home. 373 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:05.119 She was the one who lived away and she's back. 374 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.480 She had intents of bringing something up with the family. 375 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:12.039 There's a lot of tensions already going on, and before 376 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:16.680 that could happen, these murders occurred. Okay, which is very 377 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:20.240 like murder mystery scenario kind of situation. 378 00:21:20.559 --> 00:21:22.759 I was literally just thinking that that this could be 379 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.559 a freaking murder mystery game. 380 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:28.920 But unfortunately, though this isn't the game. Yeah, it's real life. 381 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.920 This was people's lives that they lost because of this. 382 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.799 Yeah. Well, and I do have to just say, it 383 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:40.000 would be very difficult to have a household that has 384 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:44.039 two different religions or beliefs, right like that systems. Yeah, 385 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:48.559 that would be very something hard to navigate through and 386 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:50.799 definitely cause a lot of tension. 387 00:21:50.519 --> 00:21:55.119 One hundred percent, because beliefs are the foundation for certain 388 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.079 individuals entire lives, how they live, how they react, what 389 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:00.400 they believe, what they do all this, and if you 390 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:05.839 have two contrasting situations, how can you correlate certain lives 391 00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:09.039 and have them connect together. I'm not saying it's impossible. 392 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.880 Yeah, I possible, but it's just very difficult for sure. 393 00:22:11.880 --> 00:22:14.839 In fact, I think I advocate for people being able 394 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.119 to do that, you know, having compassion and living with 395 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:21.599 someone who disagrees with you. I think that's great, but 396 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:22.880 it's not going to be easy. 397 00:22:23.160 --> 00:22:26.839 Yeah, yeah, but it is. I mean I know of 398 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:29.359 some families that make it work. It's kind of you know, 399 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:33.119 neat that you can respect someone to believe what they 400 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:35.000 want to believe and then still kind of have your 401 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:36.240