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Speaker 3: About pet pals? Welcome to the O Behave Show on

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Pet Life Radio. I'm your host, Arden More. Now I

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love all kinds of dogs, mutts, purebreads. On this special

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episode today we have a rare breed, a legal bigel. Yeah.

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He and his law firm have been championing for the

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rights of pet parents and yes, underdogs. Please at this

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time give pause and a pause to attorney Jeremy Cohen

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from the Boston Dog Lawyers. Welcome, Welcome, Jeremy.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so happy to be on O Behavior.

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Speaker 3: We're happy to have you. I love what you are

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actually motivated this good attorney to getting into the practice

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of pet law. After we take this quick break, so

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the old Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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I'm I'm your host, Arden Moore. I have a special

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guest today and we all need to tune in. He

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is attorney Jeremy Cohen. He is from the Boston Dog

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Lawyers practice, and we're going to cover a lot of

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legal issues affecting our pets. And Jeremy, you know you

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could practice any kind of law, but if you could

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help our followers, can you tell us a little bit

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about what motivated you. I understand it had to do

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with your step child's dog, Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Right about fifteen years ago. I was a super bored lawyer.

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Speaker 3: Super bored lawyer. I put that on a T shirt.

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Speaker 4: And also I was underachieving. The goals I had when

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I was younger were not materializing. I wasn't making any

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type of a difference. And sometimes you just hope and

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pray and you just never know if you're going to

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be in the right place at the right time. But

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I was because my stepkids dog, Jesse, a German shepherd,

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had been accused of biting somebody in local town and

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because of that, they were holding a hearing to determine what,

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if anything, should happen to Jesse and all of the

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country when a dog bites or scare somebody, and now

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even when it box too much. Cities and towns hold

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these types of hearings, okay, and I went to represent

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Jesse and Jesse's truner, which was my stepkid's dad, and

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the place was packed. Everybody in the hearing wanted Jesse dead.

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I couldn't believe it. They were so angry at the

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owner that they said, Jesse has got to be removed

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not just from the city, but from this earth. And

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I knew Jesse. You can imagine. I was just meeting

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my future step kids, and nobody's happy to see a

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new person in the house. But Jesse was always so

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thrilled when that come over. And I love Jesse, taking

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him for walks. It was my first dog that I

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got to be responsible for, so I felt this was

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an important night to represent Jesse, and quickly the hearing authority,

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usually a board of selectman, can be a mayor chief

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of police got to the decision that Jesse should be euthanized,

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and it was all the people in the room their emotions,

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saying that Jesse reminded them of an al Qaeda terrorist

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laying in my gosh and that, and how much they

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wanted to punish the owner because Jesse did have a

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history of escaping, especially pet owners, going from the car

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to the house. And that's when a lot of us

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relax and we think, come on, you know the route

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right from the door to the door, and you'll go in.

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But if there's a trigger, your dog's going to take off.

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And I've seen this so many times, and Jesse would

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take off if he saw triggers. But this time he

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took off when after a small dog and the woman

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trying to protect her dog put her leg up and

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he bit it. And suddenly I had to come home

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and tell everybody that basically I failed. I didn't know

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what happened, but Jesse was determined to be euthanized. And

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it's always somebody at these hearings who stocks with this phrase.

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Don't get me wrong, I love dogs. That's the person

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who is going to make a motion to vote to

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euthanize the dog. I've seen it, don't Yes, Yeah, we

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needed to appeal it and to figure out how to

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save Jesse.

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Speaker 3: How did you end up winning the case and saving

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Speaker 4: We went to court, we made a deal, and at

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that time, the deal was that Jesse wouldn't come back

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to the town that he was from, but that he'd

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be able to live. He just essentially this owner of

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this dog, my step kids dad could not own Jesse

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again period. So we needed to find a new owner.

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And so often it really blurs the line who do

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I represent the owner or the pet? But most times

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we can rehabilitate the owner through training, for better equipment,

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to show the hairing authority of the court you can

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trust the owner. In this case, this was before the

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law change where you could just banish a dog at

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the time, and so we went with that ultimately and

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in his last few years Jesse came and lived with me.

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Speaker 3: Way excellent, excellent. You know, it is kind of funny

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when you get your calling for you it's a bark

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and you could practice any kind of law. Can you

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tell people a little bit about the Boston Dog Lawyers Group,

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Because you've just got a new client. It's a big deal. DWAA.

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What does that mean?

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Speaker 4: Being able to get a call from the Dog Writers

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Association of America saying, we recognize what you do, what

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you've been doing for the last ten years, and we

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need a lawyer on call just to be with us.

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They don't have a lot of legal disputes, but they

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need information sometimes and the what that organization does is

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always impressed me. And to suddenly be asked to be

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part of that, it's It's been an amazing ten years

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this year, especially more national recognition. Being on your show

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is another great stepping stone for me to be here

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because I put my head down and I work hard,

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and you don't know if people are going to notice

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or not. But I don't even think about that. You

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just think about the next dog, the next case, the

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next call. We get three calls a day, every day

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of the week. Wowy percent of them for around the country.

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when we opened it calling it Boston Dog Lawyers, I

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made it plural. But who knew. I never knew if

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they'd be a second one.

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Speaker 3: Well that's called you know, you're optimistic, and that's all right, clairvoyant. Well,

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you know, even though it's Boston dog lawyers, you are

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representing ones and I want to get some topics covered

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because this we could have you on all day, seriously, Jeremy,

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and we're definitely going to have to have you on back.

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and that happened in Massachusetts in twenty twenty four. There's

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a lot of our folks that follow oh behave that

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have dogs that they keep at boarding facilities and doggy daycares.

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Many of them are very very well run. My superpower

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real dog and a real cat, and I certify a

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lot of boarding facilities and that approved first aid, but

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not every place is up to snuff. Right, So I

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know that you had a role in Ali's Law. Can

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you tell us what was going on? Because it sounded

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like this lady that owned Ali, Amy Baxter, some bad

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things happened to Ali.

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Speaker 4: What happened my client's very diligent pet owner. She had

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moved to Massachusetts and she sought out a boarding facility

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so Alli would have friends during the day something to do,

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and she Ali went. She did a check up of

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the facility, felt good about it, and did it like

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a dry run. In the first day. All he was there.

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out that there were six dogs there. The other five

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attacked Ali and Ali. The first call that was made

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was not to my client, but to the owner of

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the boarding facility to say, what should we do. Well,

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it's obvious what you should do. You should take the

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dog to the vet, except in this instance there was

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only one employee there, and that employee was terrified to

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the dogs alone. There was a vet two hundred feet away,

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a veteran. Oh my gosh, you couldn't even bring the

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dog there. Ultimately, they downplayed what happened to Ali called

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my client. She went to pick him up, and he

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was close to death. He ended up having major internal injuries.

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I've seen the record that said more than four hundred punctures.

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what we came to learn is Allie was just one

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of dozens, almost one hundred of calls that I've received

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through that time about dogs getting hurt or killed at

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boarding facilities.

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Speaker 6: And it just lined up that we had the right client,

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with the right voice, the right energy, and enough of

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an egregious story that this made the papers.

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Speaker 4: This got the attention, and it's been true, and it's true.

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not safe for our pets. And when you bring your

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that everything is safe and they want what's best for

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some great ones out there, and they're going to get

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better because we joined a coalition of about eight people

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in the industry called all these law coalitions, and we

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ultimately it took two cycles, but we got the law

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passed to start regulating boarding facilities.

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Speaker 3: Now is it regulating boarding facilities in the state of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 4: Or beyond in Massachusetts.

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Speaker 3: But that's a good precedent, right, Oh, I wanted to

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sound like illegal, bigle.

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Speaker 4: That really did?

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Speaker 6: You nailed it.

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Speaker 4: And because while animal welfare is often on the federal level,

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these are state regulations. These would be governed by so

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each state legislature could make these rules and regulations. It

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was really difficult because you would never believe who would

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be again against regulation in the pet industry, who wouldn't

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want it to be safer for our pets. But it

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became very obvious who doesn't want regulation? And it's very

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concerning to me about.

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Speaker 3: Who it was doesn't want regulation.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're gonna beans no, I can't, I can't come on.

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But it's just someone you wouldn't think, a group you

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wouldn't think. But the point is we're not trying to

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close places down. That's not what we do. We're trying

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Speaker 3: It I'm safe.

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Speaker 4: And so now we work with boarding facilities to say

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here's what you need to do, and it's basic things.

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Do you have a fire emergency plan? If there's a fire,

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where are you're going to bring the dogs? Do you

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have a place where they can all be chained up

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to a fence or something outside kept safer, you know,

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with a caller and a leash put on a fence somewhere.

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Do you have the basic tools to break up a dogfight?

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A CO two cartridge it's so inexpensive, it's just cold air.

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some time to separate the dogs. Do you test dogs

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different weights, separate different sizes. Are all your animals who

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are in there vaccinated? We want there to be more

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than one person on staff, and this has received a

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lot of pushback. Well, we only have five dogs there.

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But what if something goes wrong with a dog or

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with you? What if the person there gets hurt or

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has some type of seizure, or the phone wings, or

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somebody is at the door but they're in the bathroom,

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bathroom break. We want one person there with a driver's

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license and a car so that if there's an emergency,

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they can go until we have a system of pet

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ambulance emergency.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's my wish too, Jeremy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I think we're getting closer with Uber starting to

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agree to take dogs. We need that. There's so many

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people who don't have cars who have an emergency with

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their pet. But we can't change everything all at once.

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But here, we just need to see the number of

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calls to my office. Go down on boarding facilities and

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ask questions pet owners when you go there, have they

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had any instin has a dog died there recently. If

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your pet is going to stay overnight, is there somebody

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there overnight to stay with them?

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Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, We've got some good ones in our area

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in Dallas and they have checked those boxes, Jeremy. And

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getting them certified in pet first aid is also a

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must because pet parents want to know if something happened.

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You know, a dog can bleed out in five to

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seven minutes with an arterial bleed, and if the vet

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clinic is twelve minutes away, they're doa already five to

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seven minutes. So those are like my sister boards her

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dogs and they have the checkboxes because they want to

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make sure that staff has this overnight people.

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Speaker 4: I love this.

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Speaker 3: So can we get Ali's Law national?

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Speaker 4: Well, there's a committee formulating the actual regulations. They'll be

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out in six months June of twenty six. Okay, we

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just need people in every state to want to be

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interested in it, and there are a few states that

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already have it, and it's programs like yours that can

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make it national. Can say every state needs an always law.

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Speaker 3: Oh you know we're going to back in the summer, sir,

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that is finally kind of regarding pets as real legal

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members of the family, the immediate family. We're going to

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Old Behave Show on Pet Life Radio.

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I'm your host, Arden Moore. This is one of my

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favorite guests because he's a doer, and he's a doer

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for pets, and he does it in a legal way.

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And he is Jeremy Cohen of the Boston Dog Lawyers.

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And Jeremy the next case I wanted to talk to

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you about was about a docs and named Duke. And

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this was a situation where Duke's I guess it would

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be dogmm because it's her son, but Nan was walking Duke.

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Pick it up from there.

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Speaker 4: It might have been Duke's grand.

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Speaker 3: Oh, grant, Oh, yes it is bad. Yes, yeah, grandmama.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Amazing decision by a courageous judge in New York

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to say that a pet well considered property in all states,

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can be a special type of property. And here stepped

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even further to say a dog pet is a member

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of the family. And what happened here is Duke with

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his walker caretaker grandmother was in a crosswalk in a

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car came through and hit the dog in the crosswalk

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and severely injuring Duke. And it was witnessed by the

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grandmother by Nan and here up until now, for the

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most part, witnessing something bad happened to your pet does

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not enable you to get any type of financial compensation.

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So pet owners often talk about the emotional distress of

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seeing something bad happen to their pet, and we know

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that is the same distress we feel that if it

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was a family member. We know that, But the courts, legislators,

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they don't see it that way. And there's a lot

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of fear in seeing it that way, because the fear

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is that if the value of our pets go up

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under the law, then the costs for our pets will

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go up. With insurance companies, if veterinarians are accused of

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harming a pet, their insurance rates will go up. And

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so there's been this great pushback for decades and decades.

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In this case, the judge said that Nan could recover

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for what happened for being a witness in that same

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time and space of when this bad thing happened by

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dog getting hit by the car, so much so that

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she could recover for that financial damages. And it's not

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about the money. This movement recognize pets is more than property.

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It's not about the money. It's about if we can

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hold people accountable and punish them in their wallets, that's

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how we're going to get behavior to change around our pets.

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And the judge was very courageous, but also very clear.

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This new pet as family member is strictly limited right

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now to a dog that's in a crosswalk, that's being

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walked in New York and hit by a car.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, little step forward, right, I guess right?

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Just zone of danger principle is that what this is

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all about.

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Speaker 4: Right, So if something bad happens to someone in our

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family and we don't witness it, you're not in the

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zone of danger. So somebody might call and say, people

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always think the vet hurt their dog. It's so it's

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just not as often as people think. It's very rare.

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But if something, let's say there was a misdiagnosis, but

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you don't witness that negligent act, you can't recover for it.

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So the law wants to help people or compensate people

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for witnessing something bad, and it's very strict. One of

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the more famous cases is a family that found out

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that their son had died in an airplane crash, and

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they found out seven hours I think afterwards, and they

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wanted to sue for emotional distress and they weren't allowed

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to because they weren't at the scene of the crash.

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They weren't in the same time and space the zone

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of danger. So okay, that's time and space. The zone

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of danger is something a little bit more and that,

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and we've been using it at our firm. It works.

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People are starting to recognize it that if your dog's

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being attacked, let's say, buy another dog, you're in the

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zone of danger. You might fear that you're being attacked.

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that she was going to be hit by the car.

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So it's a nuanced way of providing emotional distress without

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saying it's emotional distress because people aren't ready for that.

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Court's aren't ready for that. But that New York case

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has led to a case that we recently had. Just

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three weeks ago, we got a case.

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Speaker 3: Cut off the press here on all behave take it

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away Jeremy Cohen from.

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Speaker 4: An appeals court judge, a single justice, so that's almost

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as high as you can get in the state, who

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said in a pet custody matter, it's suggested now that

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a pet is not a baseball car collection, the judge wrote,

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and that two people who are fighting over a dog,

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certainly if they have rights to the dog, the next

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layer of review by judges in Massachusetts should be what's

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in the best interests of the pet because it is

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a family member. And with getting warning like that, well,

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it's not all inclusive. It doesn't apply to every case

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in every court in Massachusetts. It's something.

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Speaker 3: It's another crack in the door right right, just like.

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Speaker 4: With New York. It was very narrow, but it was

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a step forward. And that's how we have to move

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the law for our pets and pet owners, just baby steps.

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Accept it, be happy with it, and build on it.

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And that's the way the chase things here, because if

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we do too much too soon, we're not going to

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get anywhere. It's just the state of the law. It's

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a state of the people who make decisions in our

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society right now, they're not ready for a big chunk.

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Speaker 3: I'm betting you're not a bored corporate lawyer anymore.

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Speaker 4: Every day the phone rings with something interesting, something we

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can work on, and sometimes that case you can change things.

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It's a ton of fun.

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Speaker 3: Now we could talk all day, But the last one

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I want to throw at you is pet nuptials pet nups,

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because you were saying that this is a big deal,

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especially for the gen z. I mean, a lot of

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younger generations, which I love, are realizing that pets are

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part of our family, and even they have four legs,

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three legs, whatever, squawk. So you're gonna get married, should

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you get a pet nuptial agreement?

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Speaker 4: If you're going to get a pet with somebody else,

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you should get some type of pet nuptial agreement, even

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if you're not getting married yet. If you're moving into it,

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you have to think. See lawyers think in worst case scenarios,

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so it can be a little pessimistic, but you have

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to think, what if our relationship doesn't work out. We're adults.

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You each form a relationship with your pet. You each

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have your own language with the pet, your own bond.

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But just because the relationship with each other doesn't work

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out doesn't mean your relationship with the pet should end.

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And so prepare for that. Have something writing. It can

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be on a napkin. Right now. We use text message

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to try to piece it together. Something that says if

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our relationship ends, we either share the pet fifty to fifty,

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or we share costs fifty to fifty, or one person

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pays the other one thousand dollars for the pet, or

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one person just gives the pet to something.

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Speaker 3: I like this.

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Speaker 4: I like this, yeah, and just prepare for it, because

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what happens is when the relationship ends, you want to

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share it for a little while. Maybe you do, but

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if there's nothing in writing, it becomes a core case.

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Keep it from becoming a core case. Call a lawyer

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and spend five percent of what it would normally cost

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to fight a custody case to get something in writing

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that's enforceable in court. Have a contract with.

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Speaker 3: It is a hot button item topic for sure, because

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there was a site called kinship that did a survey

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in this fall and said more than two thousand pet

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parents were surveyed, and get this, everyone three out of

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five said, yeah, we would seek legal action against their

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exes for custody of their pet. So I do.

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Speaker 4: I dog, that's good.

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Speaker 3: You can use that.

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Speaker 4: That's the beauty of a natural show. You get the

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language down, you really do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's an emotional button too. You know, you

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can take my baseball card collection. But don't touch my dog.

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Speaker 4: Do something in advance to protect your rights instead of

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having to go to court.

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Speaker 3: So what is something that a dog has made you

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a better person and a better lawyer? Jeremy Cohen.

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Speaker 4: Amazingly, it was a case that we lost, and we

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were three different courts. We battled for this owner and

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this dog, and the dog had a really tough upbringing

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and had some major marks on its record, but ultimately

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we got a trainer and the behavior just said, this dog,

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it can't be rehabilitated. If it's let out, it will

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attack again. And that was devastating for me to have

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to tell the owner. And I met in person to

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tell him, and he insisted on meeting a second time.

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When we met the second time, he gave me a

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box and in there with the ash to his dog.

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And here was a guy that said, I don't care

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that we lost. I care that we fought, and you

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believed enough in me and then the dog to try

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to fight to get the people lined up to try

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to make the right decision the right way. Losing, okay,

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we can deal with that, but fighting back and making

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sure we got to the right decision. So I have

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those ashes. It touches me every day.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Wow, win or lose.

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Speaker 4: People need a voice, and that really has made an

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impact on me.

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Speaker 3: So what can people look for in twenty twenty six,

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what's going to happen on the legal front for not

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just dogs, but cats, other pets.

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Speaker 4: So starting to see states FARDA in particular, setting up

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these databases of abusers. If we can keep track of

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who's been convicted of abusing an animal or neglecting an animal, sort.

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Speaker 3: Of like pedophiles in your neighborhood, right.

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Speaker 4: Right, except sometimes it doesn't even have to be that.

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It could be pet owners who didn't feed that dog,

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or didn't exercise their dog, or didn't feed the cat,

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or left them in squalor, so we can keep those

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people out of the pet industry. Right now, there's really

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no check on people who join the pet industry because

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there's no national database on that, even though state database.

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I think that's one thing we're going to see. We're

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going to see advancements in awarding people. It's never going

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to be the life changing money that it should be

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when a family member passes due to the fault of

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somebody else, but we're going to see behaviors improve because

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we're going to keep holding people accountable more and more

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for their bad actions or negligent actions. Groomers, trainers, boarding facilities, veterinarians.

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If you harm our pet, we just have to hold

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you accountable. We don't have to charge you criminally, but

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if you were negligent, just be accountable for it. And

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we just want to hear more accountability and hold people

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accountable so they'll change their behavior.

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Speaker 3: What is a superpower a dog has that you wish

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you had? And why if you could channel one superpower

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a dog has? What would it be.

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Speaker 4: To wake up every day happy? It's start every day happy,

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an end every day happy? What a much better life

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it would be. There's just so many things that can

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get in your way or distract you from your happiness,

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but not when you're a dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a good one. I like that

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one a lot. Hey, everybody, we've been speaking with Jeremy

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Cohen of the Boston Dog Lawyers. Check out the website,

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go ahead and say what it is. How can people

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find out and get that phone ringing for you?

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Speaker 4: Bostondog Lawyers dot com and you can also reach us

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at eight four four Dog at.

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Speaker 3: T y oh Snap. That's a good number.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, always happy to help answer a question or two.

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Better to find out things in events before you jump

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into something, and we're happy to help with that.

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Speaker 3: Well. I am definitely going to have you back, Jeremy Cohen,

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and thank you for sharing some of these things. We

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could talk all day, but I wish you live closer

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because I would treat you to. I'm actually a licensed bartender.

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I'd make you whatever cocktail you'd want, and it could

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be a mocktail, but I would do that to celebrate

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all that you're doing for pets. And also at this time,

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I want to do a shout out to my producer,

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Mark Winter. He is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio,

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the largest radio network for pets. Humbly, you're on Obehave,

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your flea free host Ard and Moore delivering just two

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