WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:07.000 Recently, jade Iron Sam Schmun debated some Muslims on the 2 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.240 Fresh and Fit podcast. They did an excellent job. The Muslims, 3 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:13.720 on the other hand, were entirely inconsistent in their reasoning. 4 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:15.560 They use a lot of facious arguments, and they even 5 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:17.879 went for personal attacks. And I want to show some 6 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:20.359 clips from that debate, but first I want to talk 7 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:23.239 about why I'm not a Muslim, and this debate was 8 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.120 a great example of that because in the debate we'll 9 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:28.760 hear the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupt. It 10 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.239 actually doesn't say that anywhere in the Koran that the 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.520 Bible is corrupt. It says that people will twist the scriptures. 12 00:00:34.560 --> 00:00:36.920 It does not say that the Bible is corrupt anywhere 13 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.039 in the Koran. Muslims are so inconsistent about the Bible 14 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.640 being corrupt. They'll say the Bible prophesizes Muhammed. But wait, 15 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:45.439 I thought you just said it was corrupt. They just 16 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.119 arbitrarily pick what parts of the Bible they're going to 17 00:00:49.159 --> 00:00:53.359 interpret in their chronic Islamic lens and reinterpret the Bible. 18 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.479 The Bible does not prophesize Muhammed. They'll say that the 19 00:00:56.520 --> 00:01:00.640 Bible doesn't teach a trinity that actually the Bible teaches tahed. 20 00:01:00.799 --> 00:01:03.759 They will claim that the Bible is cruped, then cite 21 00:01:03.799 --> 00:01:05.879 the Bible. So which one is it the Bible corrupt 22 00:01:05.959 --> 00:01:06.159 or not? 23 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:08.239 I mean, I've got the Gospel of John pulled up 24 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:10.239 right now we can start going into the text. Let's 25 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:13.120 start with John one about the trinity, eternal generation of 26 00:01:13.159 --> 00:01:14.560 the Son. In the beginning was the Word. The Word 27 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:15.879 was with God. The Word was God. He was in 28 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.680 the beginning with God. All things were through him. Nothing 29 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:22.439 was made that was not made by him. Jesus is 30 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.959 the creator of the world. There's nothing that exists that 31 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.640 he didn't create. Therefore, the Son of God is not 32 00:01:28.680 --> 00:01:29.200 a creature. 33 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:30.359 John one. 34 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.239 He was in the bosom of the Father even when 35 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:40.040 he was on earth, walking around eternal generation, omnipresence. After this, 36 00:01:40.159 --> 00:01:43.040 John said, I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a 37 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:47.439 dove and remaining upon him. It is he who baptizes 38 00:01:47.480 --> 00:01:51.359 with the Holy Spirit. This is the Son of God, 39 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.959 the Father. Right there in John one, verses thirty two 40 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.560 to thirty four, the entire Trinity is revealed to you. 41 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:00.640 And also in the Quran it says that you can 42 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:03.920 judge the Koran on the prior revelation. You know, Muslims 43 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.840 think that the Torah and they say the Angel or 44 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:09.919 Gospel that Jesus was given book. But if we actually 45 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:12.639 go to the prior revelation, the Torah and Bible, it 46 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.319 makes Islam an impossibility and shows that Islam has no 47 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.919 continuity with the prior revelation. And why would the Koran 48 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.719 say to go to the prior revelation of the prior 49 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:24.639 revelation is corrupt. It doesn't make any sense the Qoran 50 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.680 either way, it is refuting itself because the prior revelation 51 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.479 contradicts the Koran. And if the Koran says that to 52 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:32.759 go to the prior revelation, but the prior revelation is corrupt, 53 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:36.240 it makes no sense. For example, in the worship that 54 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.439 we read about in the Old Testament, and we see 55 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:42.520 how Christians worship, it was liturgical, with a sacrifice with 56 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:44.800 the Lamb, with the Eucharist. 57 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:45.120 All. 58 00:02:45.240 --> 00:02:48.879 You know, these principles exist in Second Temple, Judaism and 59 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:52.400 Orthodox Christianity. It does not exist in Islam. It has 60 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:57.039 no continuity. The worship, the entire theology of how God 61 00:02:57.120 --> 00:02:59.800 manifests himself, all these theophanies that I want to further 62 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.520 later in the video. And so when you bring up 63 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:04.599 to a Muslim that the Koran in Islam has no 64 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:07.520 continuity with the Old Testament, it's completely arbitrary about the 65 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:11.199 prior revelation being corrupt. They say, oh, the Koran is 66 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:15.599 the perfect revelation from Allah. But it's a circular argument. 67 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.599 You're just referring to the Koran, You're not actually using 68 00:03:17.639 --> 00:03:20.000 the prior revelation. It is very important to understand that 69 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.960 in the prior revelation it is leading up to the Messiah, 70 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.960 and the Islam believes in the Messiah, but they don't 71 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.000 really understand what the Messiah is. That Second Temple Judaism 72 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:32.719 in Christianity understands that the Messiah is going to be 73 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.879 God incarnate and he's going to bring salvation to all people, 74 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.840 a salvation to the gentiles as its promise in Genesis. 75 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:43.240 The Messiah is Jesus Christ, and it's prophesied before in 76 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.960 Zachariah thirteen that there's not going to be any more 77 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.879 prophets after the Messiah comes. This automatically counsels out anything 78 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:53.199 like Mormonism or Islam that claims that it's new public 79 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:56.680 divine revelation in Zachariah. In Jude it talks about how 80 00:03:56.719 --> 00:04:00.439 the faith was once for all delivered to the saints. Jesus, 81 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.800 who Muslim's claim was actually a Muslim says that John 82 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:07.960 the Baptist was a last prophet. There are no prophets. 83 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.039 And also in one Galatians eight it says that even 84 00:04:11.080 --> 00:04:13.639 if an angel comes from in heaven, if he preaches 85 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.079 a different gospel, let him be a curse. And what 86 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:19.120 do you know, That's exactly how the Koran was revealed 87 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.160 to Muhammad from a quote unquote angel. So why would 88 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:26.639 we trust this later revelation that contradicts the worship of 89 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.959 the theology of the prior revelation. We have specific warnings 90 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:34.279 against it. There's no reason to trust the Quran that 91 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:37.399 comes six hundred years after the events of the Bible. 92 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.560 Why would we trust that to say what actually happened. 93 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:44.240 You're just a cheap knockoff. Oh no, I'm the upbring. 94 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:50.639 With Jesus. The Qoran says that Jesus wasn't actually crucified, 95 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.319 he was switched out at the last second. So why 96 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.800 would you trust their version of God? Allah, who is 97 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.759 deceiving at everyone because that is essential. That is a 98 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:04.879 q piece of Christianity is Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection, 99 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:07.920 and Islam takes that out and says he's just a prophet. 100 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.959 Another huge fact that disproves Islam is that Jesus was 101 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:15.959 not a Muslim. They'll quote verses like Jesus doing prostrations. Well, 102 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.279 in Judaism and in Christianity, we still do prostrations, and 103 00:05:19.319 --> 00:05:24.160 he's prostrating towards God the Father. Allah is no father. 104 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:29.040 So this whole entire theology of the trinity of the Father. 105 00:05:29.439 --> 00:05:31.560 Allah is not a father. It doesn't make any sense. 106 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:34.639 So how can you cite that verse? And I thought 107 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.360 the Bible was corrupt? So it's just entirely inconsistent about 108 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.399 how Muslims will cite the Bible. And all throughout the Bible, 109 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.639 there's lots of verses that show that Jesus is all knowing. 110 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:46.360 Even in the Qoran, it gives attributes to Jesus that 111 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.480 only God, that only Allah can have. Because the Quran 112 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:53.160 just took so much from Christianity and Judaism's that's what 113 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:54.120 it ultimately did. 114 00:05:54.199 --> 00:05:56.240 So the doctrine in trinity is a doctrine that is 115 00:05:56.279 --> 00:06:00.319 not derived from philosophy, It's not derived from Saint Paul. Early, 116 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:02.920 is not derived from the Council of Nicia. The Doctor 117 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.959 the Trinity is taught in the Law and the Prophets. 118 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:08.560 In fact, if you go back to my Daniel Hikikachu 119 00:06:08.560 --> 00:06:10.759 debate in the first ten minutes, I hold up a 120 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.199 whiteboard that shows all the passages from the Torah and 121 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.319 in the Prophets that we derive the doctrine the Trinity from, 122 00:06:17.720 --> 00:06:21.920 mainly from Jewish extragesus of the Old Testament. This might 123 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:24.639 sound surprising because people think that the doctor in Trinity 124 00:06:24.680 --> 00:06:28.040 is something that's unique to Christianity, or that Jews don't 125 00:06:28.079 --> 00:06:30.720 believe in this nowadays, so therefore Jews could not have 126 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.399 taught it back then. In fact, many Jewish scholars today 127 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:38.319 eve In Summer, Alan Siegel, Schaeffer, etc. Boyar, and all 128 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:42.319 of those scholars admit that the Early Church's view is 129 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.079 not that distinct from the Judaism of the time of 130 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:49.079 Christ in recognizing more than one person in the Trinity. 131 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.839 I'm not saying that Jews necessarily except trinitarianism. I'm saying 132 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:56.199 that these scholars prove that in the time of Christ, 133 00:06:56.519 --> 00:06:59.800 there was not a generic unitarianism that characterize what it 134 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:02.480 is to be quote monotheist. They didn't see a contradiction 135 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.839 or a problem between the idea of quote monotheism and 136 00:07:05.879 --> 00:07:09.160 the recognition of the Father as the archae cause and fount, 137 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.240 the Angel of the Lord as his messenger, which we 138 00:07:11.240 --> 00:07:13.360 see through all throughout the Old Testament, who is called God, 139 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:15.959 who is called Divine, who is called the Messenger of 140 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:19.600 the Covenant, who is called Yahweh in Exodus three, Exodus 141 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.079 twenty three, throughout the Psalms and the Mini Theophanes passages, 142 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.959 and many times in the Prophets, Jesus predicted, especially in 143 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:29.240 latter Isaiah to be a divine Nosiah that would be worshiped. 144 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:30.560 So a lot of these. 145 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:34.279 References to the Trinity are primarily grounded rooted in the 146 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:38.839 Torah and the Prophets. Islam, however, when it argues against 147 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:41.399 the Trinity, does so on the basis of it not 148 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.839 being aware of or not being informed, typically on what 149 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:47.439 the actual texts teach. In terms of the Jewish texts 150 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:50.439 that we as Christians also refer to. Also when it 151 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:53.240 comes to the text of the Gospel and the texts 152 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:55.800 of the New Testament. They're not aware of the fact 153 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.240 that Jesus throughout the Gospel John in every chapter, refers 154 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.600 to himself as divine and or a member of the triad. 155 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:05.560 John one talks about Jesus being the Logos. John one 156 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:09.279 talks about him being eternally begotten monogyne staeos, So the 157 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:11.399 eternal beginning. All of that is already at the beginning 158 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.680 of the Gospel of John, and again every chapter, whether 159 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.199 it's John five through nine, where Jesus identifies himself as 160 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.519 the one at Mount Sinai talking to Moses, the one 161 00:08:18.519 --> 00:08:20.639 that gave the law. Jesus fors to himself as the 162 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.600 son of God many times over, which means that his 163 00:08:22.639 --> 00:08:25.600 God is not Allah, because Allah has no sons. So 164 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:27.920 Jesus many many times over throughout the Gospel says he 165 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:29.639 is the son of God and that he makes us 166 00:08:29.720 --> 00:08:32.200 by grace sons of God. This proves that there is 167 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.879 not the same God of Muhammad and the same God 168 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.399 of Jesus. Jesus is not referring to Allah as his father. 169 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.120 Allah has no sons. So when we come to the 170 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:45.120 time of the early Church fathers, they unanimously teach the 171 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:48.120 deedy of Christ, the triad as well the deed of 172 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.720 the Holy Spirit. This becomes codified by the time of Nicea. 173 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:52.799 It's not invented at the time of Nicea. You can 174 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:56.039 read the church fathers from Irenaeus to Ignatius to Clement. 175 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:59.600 You can read Cyril, Si Chimi, Cyprian, you can read 176 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:02.559 a name all these church fathers. Alexander writing prior. 177 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:02.960 To the time. 178 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:04.840 And I see the teach the due to Christ and 179 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.720 what would become the doction or known as the Doctor 180 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:09.039 with trinity. So the Trinity is not something foreign to 181 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:11.240 the scriptures. It's rooted in the Torret's rooted in the Prophet's, 182 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:12.600 root in the New Testament, root in the teaching of 183 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:15.639 Christ himself. And I would add that when we compare 184 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.240 it to what's in the Koran, the Koran makes many stakes. 185 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.919 First of all, about what the Christians teach. They say 186 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:22.440 that we take our monks as lords. 187 00:09:22.480 --> 00:09:22.840 We do not. 188 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:25.320 They take They think that the Koran thinks that we 189 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:26.919 take Mary as part of the Trinity. 190 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:27.279 We do not. 191 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:31.159 The Koran also is itself confused in two areas that 192 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:33.320 I always like to highlight, which is that it claims 193 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.360 that prior revelation confirms it and backs it up and 194 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:39.399 many times over. Like in A five, it says that 195 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.440 you can look to the previous revelation to confirm the 196 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.399 new revelation, but the old revelation contradicts it. And when 197 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:47.039 Muslims see the contradictions, they do the same move of 198 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:50.279 ajaws and the debate to say, well, we reject all 199 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.240 the times that it contradicts, but we accept all the 200 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:54.799 time that it is with our revelation. Well, that is 201 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.559 a circle that's arguing for the thing that's in question. 202 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.639 We want to know, how do the prior revelation confirmed 203 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:04.440 the new revelation, which the Quran says it can do 204 00:10:05.159 --> 00:10:07.919 if the prior revelations are corrupt, And how a foolish 205 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:09.679 it would be to look to a corrupt book to 206 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:12.799 supposedly prove an incorrupt book. So it makes no sense 207 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.080 on the face of it. I would also then argue 208 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.600 that the doctrine of Tanzi that's derived from the passages 209 00:10:18.600 --> 00:10:20.840 that talk about all of being nothing like creation forty 210 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.600 two and I think around one ten somewhere in there 211 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:26.120 it says that Allah is absolutely nothing like creation, and 212 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.080 yet Muslims many times over will utilize terminology, language and 213 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.320 so forth to liken Allah to a created thing, to 214 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:34.360 say that Allah is merciful, that he is just, he 215 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.159 has all these things. Allah has a hand, has a shen, 216 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:42.120 and so forth. Things that come up in the accepted hadiths. Well, 217 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:44.159 all of those things are contradictory to the notion of 218 00:10:44.200 --> 00:10:46.840 Talhed that God is a pure unity or pure oneness. 219 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:49.240 This is why Muslims for centuries have debated amongst themselves 220 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.039 whether the attributes are really distinct. And you have people 221 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:54.600 like Jake Slafis and others who say, no, oh, yes, 222 00:10:54.919 --> 00:10:56.440 Allah has a foot, has a shin, We don't know 223 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.799 the modality, but he really has these things. They're really attributes. 224 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:02.440 And yet were said to be only a religion of 225 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:05.559 perfect unity and perfect oneness. Yet he's many. Well, the 226 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:08.559 same problem that you have with the attributes and the 227 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.679 dependence relationship of the attributes on Allah's essence and amongst 228 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.000 themselves is no different than the question that we have 229 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.159 about the persons of the Trinity. It's just simply that 230 00:11:16.240 --> 00:11:17.960 you say that we have a problem that you don't 231 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.240 have to answer when you have the exact same problem 232 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:23.960 in relationship to the attributes in Allah's essence and their 233 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.360 dependence relationship. And if you don't think there's a dependence relationship, 234 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:28.840 then I will just simply say, do you believe that 235 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.120 they are then assay or self existent? If they're self existent, then. 236 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:34.279 You have what ninety nine gods? 237 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.200 So you have the same problem, but a double standard 238 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:39.879 as to how you answer that. I'm not saying note 239 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.759 that you believe that the attributes of persons. I know 240 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.279 you don't believe that. But the same problem of the 241 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.480 one and the many and the dependence status between the 242 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.919 attributes and the essence is a problem that you cannot 243 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.639 answer because within Islam there are countless multiple contradictions. 244 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:00.200 Many Christians are lured into Islam without actually understanding it. 245 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:02.600 For example, they may say the Trinity is too hard 246 00:12:02.600 --> 00:12:05.559 to understand. You know, one God in three persons. I 247 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:07.440 can't believe in the trinity. It's too hard. But when 248 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.879 you actually look at Islamic theology, their version of God 249 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:13.559 that Allah has two hands, he has a shin, and 250 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:17.440 they believe these are real unless you're subverting the Kuran. 251 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:23.159 Says that a Lah has one eye two. 252 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.799 The shin of a nizedlation described in the Purun, that 253 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:27.919 he has a face allot describing in the pun that 254 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:28.600 he has. 255 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:32.679 Two hands, and both of Allah's hands are right hands. 256 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:36.000 We believe that both of the hands of Allah unlock. 257 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:41.360 Huh say is very clearly that both his hands are right. 258 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.559 The self here refers to a law's shine. 259 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:47.399 It isn't simpler, and they haven't actually read the Quran. 260 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:50.799 It's just people having a romanticized version of Islam. That's 261 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.759 just so, it's just so simple, and it's just so unified. No, 262 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.919 it isn't. There's lots of diversity of thought within Islam, 263 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.120 and a lot of what we see online is a 264 00:13:00.279 --> 00:13:05.879 very new modern kind of restorationist sect of Slaviism. Many 265 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:08.720 people also don't know about Islam, that music is haram, 266 00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:11.919 that dogs are haram, that an angel won't enter your 267 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:28.039 house if you have a dog. But the number one 268 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.399 reason why people leave Islam is seeing the gross immorality 269 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:35.159 of the prophet Muhammad. In Christianity, we see progressive revelation 270 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.000 with Jesus the god Man, the perfect person. He's fully 271 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:42.000 god fully maned, he lives a morally perfect life, he 272 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:47.600 was sinless, versus in Islam, it's a downgrade after with Muhammad, 273 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.759 is he has sexual relations with a six year old Ayesha, 274 00:13:51.840 --> 00:13:54.080 And this is the number one reason that people leave 275 00:13:54.159 --> 00:13:57.480 is learning about this. They're great at Prophet does this. 276 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.639 Also when they learn that the Koran has many historical 277 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.600 and scientific errors, that it was not perfectly preserved, they 278 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:07.120 think that Muhammad had it revealed, but he was illiterate, 279 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:09.480 and that's part of the miracle. They can't answer the 280 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.559 is a Kuran created or uncreated? If you have something 281 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.399 uncreated that's not a Llah, how do they account for 282 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.960 that on their theology. The point is is that a 283 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:20.440 lot of people are intrigued by Islam, but they haven't 284 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.519 actually studied it in depth. There are so many problems 285 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:25.159 that we could get into. One last one I want 286 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:29.480 to mention is Islam's iconoclasm being against religious icons and veneration. 287 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:32.559 And we see this in the Sunnies versus Shia is 288 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.799 a Shiahs are are more okay with you some level 289 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:40.840 of veneration and tradition versus the Sunnis are very They're 290 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:43.960 like the Calvinists of Islam. They just want to get 291 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:46.600 rid of at all, especially a lot of the modern 292 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.519 Sunnis that we see. Even though veneration happens at the Kaba, 293 00:14:50.759 --> 00:14:54.519 So why are they allowing idolatry? There's all these contradictions 294 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:02.960 to interact with his peace. He interacted in Theophanes in 295 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.360 a direct manifestations of God, where he is tangible and 296 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.600 often visible to humans. But how can we make sense 297 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.559 of this? Just based off the Old Testament, we can 298 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.720 see from the very beginning that God said, let us 299 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:21.200 make man in our image after our likeness. We can 300 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:24.840 read in Genesis that the Lord appeared to Abraham. How 301 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.000 does the Lord appear to Abraham? How does Jacob wrestle 302 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:32.279 with God? In Genesis, Jacob not only wrestles with God, 303 00:15:32.279 --> 00:15:35.559 but he also says, I have seen God face to face. 304 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.720 When Moses goes to the burning bush, God calls out 305 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:41.679 of it. God himself is in the burning bush. How 306 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:43.720 do we make sense of this? How do we make 307 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:47.879 sense of Moses talking face to face with God in Exodus? 308 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.519 All throughout the Old Testament there are these theophanies. There 309 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.720 are these things that we read about in Isaiah. When 310 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.720 God is referring to himself in plural and manifesting himself 311 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:01.000 the spirit of God, the Word, his breath, his glory. 312 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:04.000 We read about all these scenarios where God interacts with 313 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.720 his people in a very unique way, and I will 314 00:16:06.759 --> 00:16:09.000 cover these in depth later in the video. One of 315 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.360 the most interesting things in the Old Testament is the 316 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.840 Angel of the Lord. The Angel of the Lord is 317 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.120 not only an angel who appears continually throughout the Old Testament, 318 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:20.360 referring to himself as Lord, as God in the first 319 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.480 person and not in the second person. Three other angel 320 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.360 refers to himself as a third person. But who is 321 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.799 this Angel of the Lord. From the very beginning in Genesis, 322 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.080 the Angel of the Lord refers to himself as God 323 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.519 in the first person. All these examples in Exodus numbers 324 00:16:36.600 --> 00:16:40.159 Judges Zachariah of the Angel of the Lord talking in 325 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.159 the first person, that this is God, that this is 326 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:46.399 a manifestation of God. This is no accident. This is 327 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:50.039 exactly why concepts like this were debated in ancient Judaism 328 00:16:50.200 --> 00:16:53.519 and are still debated to this day in rabbinical Judaism 329 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:56.519 of who is the Angel of the Lord. Even before 330 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.559 Christ became incarnate, there was talk of the Angel of 331 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:03.559 the Lord, about God's Word, the logos, the Spirit, God's wisdom, 332 00:17:03.639 --> 00:17:06.720 God's glory. They struggled to make sense of this, and 333 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:10.119 so when Christ becomes incarnate. The early Church fathers picked 334 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.160 up on this. They weren't inventing anything new. That's who 335 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:16.200 this is all along. It's Christ. No longer do we 336 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:17.720 have to wonder of how to make sense of these 337 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:21.200 Old testament Theophanes, of how Jacob wrestled with God, of 338 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.000 how Moses saw God face to face. It's just in 339 00:17:25.039 --> 00:17:28.759 their mind that the full revelation was giving. That gets 340 00:17:28.839 --> 00:17:31.920 us into this debate that Sam and Jay recently did. 341 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:35.680 I think there are some of the best Christian apologists 342 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:36.640 against Islam. 343 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.240 I mean the Bible affirms of the prophet Muhammad is 344 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.200 a true prophet and first John Ter. 345 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:43.240 I'm reading it. 346 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.759 Yes, it's falls on his fig but it says something's 347 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:47.319 occasionally invites broken. 348 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:48.440 The rights. 349 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:56.559 You say we never made. 350 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:00.960 Praise be the Father some way spirit to one true God, 351 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.160 and glory to the Son of God who became flesh 352 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.799 for our salvation. May the Lord Jesus be magnified and 353 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:09.119 the falsehood of Toheed exposed. Notice what Daniel did. Instead 354 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:11.440 of focusing on what it means for Alla to be one, 355 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.480 he spent the bulk of his time criticizing the Trinity. 356 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.119 But we will answers objections in a rebuttal period. But 357 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.200 I'm now going to turn against him because not so 358 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.880 fast when he says he believes in Tohed, what exactly 359 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:24.640 does it mean for Alla to be one? Because I'm 360 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:28.240 aware that Daniel does believe the fact that Kron is uncreated, 361 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:32.039 and therefore we now have two distinct eternal entities that 362 00:18:32.119 --> 00:18:34.559 are not identical. Because I'm going to show Daniel, from 363 00:18:34.599 --> 00:18:36.839 his authentic sources that the Churn and the chapters of 364 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.880 the Churn actually one to receive and debate with a law. 365 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.640 So now we have a paradox because if the Koran 366 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:44.400 is the speech of a law and that's all us speaking, 367 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.759 is all us speaking to himself? So is Daniel actually 368 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:48.759 a mobilist or is the apolotheist? Or does he have 369 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.279 a phone with Trinity? But his is even worse because 370 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.839 it's not three persons, because each chapter of the Kron 371 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.200 has the potentiality of speaking with a law. So that 372 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.519 means his God consists of at least one hundred and 373 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.799 fifteen divine persons, divine beings who can interact with one 374 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.880 another and appear separately. And this is all from his 375 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:07.119 authentic narrations Secondly, the second problem he has is that 376 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.240 according to the Koran, the Spirit of Allah is not Gabriel. 377 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.240 So I'm going to now press him. There's not a 378 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:14.119 single verse in the chron it says the spirit to 379 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.799 Ruj is Jibidir. He's now dependent on the very scholars 380 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.240 of Islam to come centuries later to bail out Alana's messenger, 381 00:19:21.319 --> 00:19:23.799 because that's what he accused the Lord Jesus, that Jesus 382 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:26.319 wasn't clear enough to articulate to Trinity. But he did 383 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.319 make an admission which is not going to come and 384 00:19:28.359 --> 00:19:31.200 bite him. He admitted Paul taught the Trinity. It's now recorded. 385 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.079 I want everyone to hear it. Paul taught to Trinity, 386 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:34.799 because when we come to the scriptures, I'm going to 387 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.240 show that even the Koran acknowledges that Paul was used 388 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.119 by Allah to spread the truth of the Gospel of 389 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:41.279 Jesus Christ. The Spirit, according to the Koran, is the 390 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:43.559 sinc from Alah. He appears as a man, he speaks 391 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:45.839 and creates. So now if we add the spirit to 392 00:19:45.960 --> 00:19:48.359 the Koran and a Lah he's got about one hundred 393 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:50.559 and sixteen divine persons or beans, then we can go 394 00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:52.839 a little further and adjust the issue of the fact 395 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:56.920 that according to our friend here, Allah has well, he 396 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:58.480 wouldn't use the term body parts. I don't want to, 397 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.519 mister present him. Allah has as a foot, he has 398 00:20:01.559 --> 00:20:03.839 a shin, he even has loins, and he has at 399 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:06.480 least two eyes, if not more, in two right hands. Now, 400 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.440 for the life of me, if All is the creator 401 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:10.240