1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Recently, jade Iron Sam Schmun debated some Muslims on the 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,240 Fresh and Fit podcast. They did an excellent job. The Muslims, 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,720 on the other hand, were entirely inconsistent in their reasoning. 4 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:15,560 They use a lot of facious arguments, and they even 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,879 went for personal attacks. And I want to show some 6 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:20,359 clips from that debate, but first I want to talk 7 00:00:20,399 --> 00:00:23,239 about why I'm not a Muslim, and this debate was 8 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,120 a great example of that because in the debate we'll 9 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:28,760 hear the Muslims claim that the Bible is corrupt. It 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,239 actually doesn't say that anywhere in the Koran that the 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,520 Bible is corrupt. It says that people will twist the scriptures. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,920 It does not say that the Bible is corrupt anywhere 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,039 in the Koran. Muslims are so inconsistent about the Bible 14 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:43,640 being corrupt. They'll say the Bible prophesizes Muhammed. But wait, 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:45,439 I thought you just said it was corrupt. They just 16 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,119 arbitrarily pick what parts of the Bible they're going to 17 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,359 interpret in their chronic Islamic lens and reinterpret the Bible. 18 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:56,479 The Bible does not prophesize Muhammed. They'll say that the 19 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,640 Bible doesn't teach a trinity that actually the Bible teaches tahed. 20 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:03,759 They will claim that the Bible is cruped, then cite 21 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:05,879 the Bible. So which one is it the Bible corrupt 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:06,159 or not? 23 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:08,239 Speaker 2: I mean, I've got the Gospel of John pulled up 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,239 right now we can start going into the text. Let's 25 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:13,120 start with John one about the trinity, eternal generation of 26 00:01:13,159 --> 00:01:14,560 the Son. In the beginning was the Word. The Word 27 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,879 was with God. The Word was God. He was in 28 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,680 the beginning with God. All things were through him. Nothing 29 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:22,439 was made that was not made by him. Jesus is 30 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,959 the creator of the world. There's nothing that exists that 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,640 he didn't create. Therefore, the Son of God is not 32 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:29,200 a creature. 33 00:01:29,719 --> 00:01:30,359 Speaker 1: John one. 34 00:01:30,879 --> 00:01:34,239 Speaker 2: He was in the bosom of the Father even when 35 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:40,040 he was on earth, walking around eternal generation, omnipresence. After this, 36 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:43,040 John said, I saw the Holy Spirit descending like a 37 00:01:43,079 --> 00:01:47,439 dove and remaining upon him. It is he who baptizes 38 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,359 with the Holy Spirit. This is the Son of God, 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,959 the Father. Right there in John one, verses thirty two 40 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:57,560 to thirty four, the entire Trinity is revealed to you. 41 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: And also in the Quran it says that you can 42 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:03,920 judge the Koran on the prior revelation. You know, Muslims 43 00:02:03,959 --> 00:02:06,840 think that the Torah and they say the Angel or 44 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,919 Gospel that Jesus was given book. But if we actually 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,639 go to the prior revelation, the Torah and Bible, it 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,319 makes Islam an impossibility and shows that Islam has no 47 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:18,919 continuity with the prior revelation. And why would the Koran 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,719 say to go to the prior revelation of the prior 49 00:02:21,759 --> 00:02:24,639 revelation is corrupt. It doesn't make any sense the Qoran 50 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,680 either way, it is refuting itself because the prior revelation 51 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,479 contradicts the Koran. And if the Koran says that to 52 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,759 go to the prior revelation, but the prior revelation is corrupt, 53 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:36,240 it makes no sense. For example, in the worship that 54 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,439 we read about in the Old Testament, and we see 55 00:02:38,439 --> 00:02:42,520 how Christians worship, it was liturgical, with a sacrifice with 56 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,800 the Lamb, with the Eucharist. 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: All. 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,879 Speaker 1: You know, these principles exist in Second Temple, Judaism and 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,400 Orthodox Christianity. It does not exist in Islam. It has 60 00:02:52,479 --> 00:02:57,039 no continuity. The worship, the entire theology of how God 61 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,800 manifests himself, all these theophanies that I want to further 62 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,520 later in the video. And so when you bring up 63 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,599 to a Muslim that the Koran in Islam has no 64 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,520 continuity with the Old Testament, it's completely arbitrary about the 65 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,199 prior revelation being corrupt. They say, oh, the Koran is 66 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,599 the perfect revelation from Allah. But it's a circular argument. 67 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,599 You're just referring to the Koran, You're not actually using 68 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 the prior revelation. It is very important to understand that 69 00:03:20,039 --> 00:03:22,960 in the prior revelation it is leading up to the Messiah, 70 00:03:23,039 --> 00:03:24,960 and the Islam believes in the Messiah, but they don't 71 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:29,000 really understand what the Messiah is. That Second Temple Judaism 72 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,719 in Christianity understands that the Messiah is going to be 73 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,879 God incarnate and he's going to bring salvation to all people, 74 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:39,840 a salvation to the gentiles as its promise in Genesis. 75 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,240 The Messiah is Jesus Christ, and it's prophesied before in 76 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:45,960 Zachariah thirteen that there's not going to be any more 77 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,879 prophets after the Messiah comes. This automatically counsels out anything 78 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:53,199 like Mormonism or Islam that claims that it's new public 79 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,680 divine revelation in Zachariah. In Jude it talks about how 80 00:03:56,719 --> 00:04:00,439 the faith was once for all delivered to the saints. Jesus, 81 00:04:00,719 --> 00:04:04,800 who Muslim's claim was actually a Muslim says that John 82 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 the Baptist was a last prophet. There are no prophets. 83 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,039 And also in one Galatians eight it says that even 84 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,639 if an angel comes from in heaven, if he preaches 85 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,079 a different gospel, let him be a curse. And what 86 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,120 do you know, That's exactly how the Koran was revealed 87 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,160 to Muhammad from a quote unquote angel. So why would 88 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,639 we trust this later revelation that contradicts the worship of 89 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,959 the theology of the prior revelation. We have specific warnings 90 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,279 against it. There's no reason to trust the Quran that 91 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:37,399 comes six hundred years after the events of the Bible. 92 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Why would we trust that to say what actually happened. 93 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 4: You're just a cheap knockoff. Oh no, I'm the upbring. 94 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:50,639 Speaker 1: With Jesus. The Qoran says that Jesus wasn't actually crucified, 95 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:53,319 he was switched out at the last second. So why 96 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,800 would you trust their version of God? Allah, who is 97 00:04:56,879 --> 00:04:59,759 deceiving at everyone because that is essential. That is a 98 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,879 q piece of Christianity is Jesus's death, burial, and resurrection, 99 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:07,920 and Islam takes that out and says he's just a prophet. 100 00:05:07,959 --> 00:05:10,959 Another huge fact that disproves Islam is that Jesus was 101 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,959 not a Muslim. They'll quote verses like Jesus doing prostrations. Well, 102 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,279 in Judaism and in Christianity, we still do prostrations, and 103 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:24,160 he's prostrating towards God the Father. Allah is no father. 104 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:29,040 So this whole entire theology of the trinity of the Father. 105 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:31,560 Allah is not a father. It doesn't make any sense. 106 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,639 So how can you cite that verse? And I thought 107 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,360 the Bible was corrupt? So it's just entirely inconsistent about 108 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,399 how Muslims will cite the Bible. And all throughout the Bible, 109 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,639 there's lots of verses that show that Jesus is all knowing. 110 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:46,360 Even in the Qoran, it gives attributes to Jesus that 111 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:49,480 only God, that only Allah can have. Because the Quran 112 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:53,160 just took so much from Christianity and Judaism's that's what 113 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:54,120 it ultimately did. 114 00:05:54,199 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: So the doctrine in trinity is a doctrine that is 115 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,319 not derived from philosophy, It's not derived from Saint Paul. Early, 116 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:02,920 is not derived from the Council of Nicia. The Doctor 117 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,959 the Trinity is taught in the Law and the Prophets. 118 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,560 In fact, if you go back to my Daniel Hikikachu 119 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,759 debate in the first ten minutes, I hold up a 120 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,199 whiteboard that shows all the passages from the Torah and 121 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,319 in the Prophets that we derive the doctrine the Trinity from, 122 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,920 mainly from Jewish extragesus of the Old Testament. This might 123 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:24,639 sound surprising because people think that the doctor in Trinity 124 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,040 is something that's unique to Christianity, or that Jews don't 125 00:06:28,079 --> 00:06:30,720 believe in this nowadays, so therefore Jews could not have 126 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,399 taught it back then. In fact, many Jewish scholars today 127 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:38,319 eve In Summer, Alan Siegel, Schaeffer, etc. Boyar, and all 128 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,319 of those scholars admit that the Early Church's view is 129 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,079 not that distinct from the Judaism of the time of 130 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,079 Christ in recognizing more than one person in the Trinity. 131 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,839 I'm not saying that Jews necessarily except trinitarianism. I'm saying 132 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:56,199 that these scholars prove that in the time of Christ, 133 00:06:56,519 --> 00:06:59,800 there was not a generic unitarianism that characterize what it 134 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,480 is to be quote monotheist. They didn't see a contradiction 135 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,839 or a problem between the idea of quote monotheism and 136 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:09,160 the recognition of the Father as the archae cause and fount, 137 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:11,240 the Angel of the Lord as his messenger, which we 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,360 see through all throughout the Old Testament, who is called God, 139 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:15,959 who is called Divine, who is called the Messenger of 140 00:07:15,959 --> 00:07:19,600 the Covenant, who is called Yahweh in Exodus three, Exodus 141 00:07:19,639 --> 00:07:23,079 twenty three, throughout the Psalms and the Mini Theophanes passages, 142 00:07:23,639 --> 00:07:25,959 and many times in the Prophets, Jesus predicted, especially in 143 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,240 latter Isaiah to be a divine Nosiah that would be worshiped. 144 00:07:29,519 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 5: So a lot of these. 145 00:07:30,639 --> 00:07:34,279 Speaker 2: References to the Trinity are primarily grounded rooted in the 146 00:07:34,279 --> 00:07:38,839 Torah and the Prophets. Islam, however, when it argues against 147 00:07:38,879 --> 00:07:41,399 the Trinity, does so on the basis of it not 148 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,839 being aware of or not being informed, typically on what 149 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:47,439 the actual texts teach. In terms of the Jewish texts 150 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,439 that we as Christians also refer to. Also when it 151 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,240 comes to the text of the Gospel and the texts 152 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:55,800 of the New Testament. They're not aware of the fact 153 00:07:55,879 --> 00:07:59,240 that Jesus throughout the Gospel John in every chapter, refers 154 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:02,600 to himself as divine and or a member of the triad. 155 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:05,560 John one talks about Jesus being the Logos. John one 156 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,279 talks about him being eternally begotten monogyne staeos, So the 157 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:11,399 eternal beginning. All of that is already at the beginning 158 00:08:11,439 --> 00:08:13,680 of the Gospel of John, and again every chapter, whether 159 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,199 it's John five through nine, where Jesus identifies himself as 160 00:08:16,199 --> 00:08:18,519 the one at Mount Sinai talking to Moses, the one 161 00:08:18,519 --> 00:08:20,639 that gave the law. Jesus fors to himself as the 162 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:22,600 son of God many times over, which means that his 163 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:25,600 God is not Allah, because Allah has no sons. So 164 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,920 Jesus many many times over throughout the Gospel says he 165 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,639 is the son of God and that he makes us 166 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,200 by grace sons of God. This proves that there is 167 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,879 not the same God of Muhammad and the same God 168 00:08:35,279 --> 00:08:38,399 of Jesus. Jesus is not referring to Allah as his father. 169 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:42,120 Allah has no sons. So when we come to the 170 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,120 time of the early Church fathers, they unanimously teach the 171 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,120 deedy of Christ, the triad as well the deed of 172 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,720 the Holy Spirit. This becomes codified by the time of Nicea. 173 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:52,799 It's not invented at the time of Nicea. You can 174 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,039 read the church fathers from Irenaeus to Ignatius to Clement. 175 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,600 You can read Cyril, Si Chimi, Cyprian, you can read 176 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,559 a name all these church fathers. Alexander writing prior. 177 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 4: To the time. 178 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: And I see the teach the due to Christ and 179 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,720 what would become the doction or known as the Doctor 180 00:09:06,799 --> 00:09:09,039 with trinity. So the Trinity is not something foreign to 181 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,240 the scriptures. It's rooted in the Torret's rooted in the Prophet's, 182 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,600 root in the New Testament, root in the teaching of 183 00:09:12,639 --> 00:09:15,639 Christ himself. And I would add that when we compare 184 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:18,240 it to what's in the Koran, the Koran makes many stakes. 185 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,919 First of all, about what the Christians teach. They say 186 00:09:20,919 --> 00:09:22,440 that we take our monks as lords. 187 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 5: We do not. 188 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 2: They take They think that the Koran thinks that we 189 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:26,919 take Mary as part of the Trinity. 190 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,279 Speaker 5: We do not. 191 00:09:27,919 --> 00:09:31,159 Speaker 2: The Koran also is itself confused in two areas that 192 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,320 I always like to highlight, which is that it claims 193 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,360 that prior revelation confirms it and backs it up and 194 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,399 many times over. Like in A five, it says that 195 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,440 you can look to the previous revelation to confirm the 196 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,399 new revelation, but the old revelation contradicts it. And when 197 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,039 Muslims see the contradictions, they do the same move of 198 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,279 ajaws and the debate to say, well, we reject all 199 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,240 the times that it contradicts, but we accept all the 200 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,799 time that it is with our revelation. Well, that is 201 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,559 a circle that's arguing for the thing that's in question. 202 00:09:58,639 --> 00:10:01,639 We want to know, how do the prior revelation confirmed 203 00:10:01,639 --> 00:10:04,440 the new revelation, which the Quran says it can do 204 00:10:05,159 --> 00:10:07,919 if the prior revelations are corrupt, And how a foolish 205 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:09,679 it would be to look to a corrupt book to 206 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:12,799 supposedly prove an incorrupt book. So it makes no sense 207 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,080 on the face of it. I would also then argue 208 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,600 that the doctrine of Tanzi that's derived from the passages 209 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,840 that talk about all of being nothing like creation forty 210 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,600 two and I think around one ten somewhere in there 211 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,120 it says that Allah is absolutely nothing like creation, and 212 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,080 yet Muslims many times over will utilize terminology, language and 213 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,320 so forth to liken Allah to a created thing, to 214 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:34,360 say that Allah is merciful, that he is just, he 215 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:37,159 has all these things. Allah has a hand, has a shen, 216 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:42,120 and so forth. Things that come up in the accepted hadiths. Well, 217 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,159 all of those things are contradictory to the notion of 218 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,840 Talhed that God is a pure unity or pure oneness. 219 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,240 This is why Muslims for centuries have debated amongst themselves 220 00:10:49,399 --> 00:10:52,039 whether the attributes are really distinct. And you have people 221 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,600 like Jake Slafis and others who say, no, oh, yes, 222 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:56,440 Allah has a foot, has a shin, We don't know 223 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,799 the modality, but he really has these things. They're really attributes. 224 00:10:59,159 --> 00:11:02,440 And yet were said to be only a religion of 225 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:05,559 perfect unity and perfect oneness. Yet he's many. Well, the 226 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:08,559 same problem that you have with the attributes and the 227 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,679 dependence relationship of the attributes on Allah's essence and amongst 228 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,000 themselves is no different than the question that we have 229 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,159 about the persons of the Trinity. It's just simply that 230 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:17,960 you say that we have a problem that you don't 231 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,240 have to answer when you have the exact same problem 232 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,960 in relationship to the attributes in Allah's essence and their 233 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:27,360 dependence relationship. And if you don't think there's a dependence relationship, 234 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:28,840 then I will just simply say, do you believe that 235 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:32,120 they are then assay or self existent? If they're self existent, then. 236 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,279 Speaker 5: You have what ninety nine gods? 237 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 2: So you have the same problem, but a double standard 238 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,879 as to how you answer that. I'm not saying note 239 00:11:39,879 --> 00:11:42,759 that you believe that the attributes of persons. I know 240 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,279 you don't believe that. But the same problem of the 241 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:48,480 one and the many and the dependence status between the 242 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,919 attributes and the essence is a problem that you cannot 243 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:54,639 answer because within Islam there are countless multiple contradictions. 244 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: Many Christians are lured into Islam without actually understanding it. 245 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:02,600 For example, they may say the Trinity is too hard 246 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,559 to understand. You know, one God in three persons. I 247 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,440 can't believe in the trinity. It's too hard. But when 248 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,879 you actually look at Islamic theology, their version of God 249 00:12:10,879 --> 00:12:13,559 that Allah has two hands, he has a shin, and 250 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,440 they believe these are real unless you're subverting the Kuran. 251 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:23,159 Speaker 4: Says that a Lah has one eye two. 252 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:25,799 Speaker 2: The shin of a nizedlation described in the Purun, that 253 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,919 he has a face allot describing in the pun that 254 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:28,600 he has. 255 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 4: Two hands, and both of Allah's hands are right hands. 256 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 5: We believe that both of the hands of Allah unlock. 257 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 6: Huh say is very clearly that both his hands are right. 258 00:12:41,639 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: The self here refers to a law's shine. 259 00:12:44,799 --> 00:12:47,399 Speaker 1: It isn't simpler, and they haven't actually read the Quran. 260 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,799 It's just people having a romanticized version of Islam. That's 261 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,759 just so, it's just so simple, and it's just so unified. No, 262 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,919 it isn't. There's lots of diversity of thought within Islam, 263 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,120 and a lot of what we see online is a 264 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:05,879 very new modern kind of restorationist sect of Slaviism. Many 265 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,720 people also don't know about Islam, that music is haram, 266 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,919 that dogs are haram, that an angel won't enter your 267 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:28,039 house if you have a dog. But the number one 268 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,399 reason why people leave Islam is seeing the gross immorality 269 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,159 of the prophet Muhammad. In Christianity, we see progressive revelation 270 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,000 with Jesus the god Man, the perfect person. He's fully 271 00:13:39,039 --> 00:13:42,000 god fully maned, he lives a morally perfect life, he 272 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,600 was sinless, versus in Islam, it's a downgrade after with Muhammad, 273 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,759 is he has sexual relations with a six year old Ayesha, 274 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,080 And this is the number one reason that people leave 275 00:13:54,159 --> 00:13:57,480 is learning about this. They're great at Prophet does this. 276 00:13:57,799 --> 00:14:00,639 Also when they learn that the Koran has many historical 277 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,600 and scientific errors, that it was not perfectly preserved, they 278 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,120 think that Muhammad had it revealed, but he was illiterate, 279 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,480 and that's part of the miracle. They can't answer the 280 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,559 is a Kuran created or uncreated? If you have something 281 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:15,399 uncreated that's not a Llah, how do they account for 282 00:14:15,399 --> 00:14:17,960 that on their theology. The point is is that a 283 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,440 lot of people are intrigued by Islam, but they haven't 284 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,519 actually studied it in depth. There are so many problems 285 00:14:23,559 --> 00:14:25,159 that we could get into. One last one I want 286 00:14:25,159 --> 00:14:29,480 to mention is Islam's iconoclasm being against religious icons and veneration. 287 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:32,559 And we see this in the Sunnies versus Shia is 288 00:14:32,559 --> 00:14:35,799 a Shiahs are are more okay with you some level 289 00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:40,840 of veneration and tradition versus the Sunnis are very They're 290 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:43,960 like the Calvinists of Islam. They just want to get 291 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 rid of at all, especially a lot of the modern 292 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,519 Sunnis that we see. Even though veneration happens at the Kaba, 293 00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,519 So why are they allowing idolatry? There's all these contradictions 294 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,960 to interact with his peace. He interacted in Theophanes in 295 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:07,360 a direct manifestations of God, where he is tangible and 296 00:15:07,399 --> 00:15:10,600 often visible to humans. But how can we make sense 297 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:13,559 of this? Just based off the Old Testament, we can 298 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,720 see from the very beginning that God said, let us 299 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,200 make man in our image after our likeness. We can 300 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,840 read in Genesis that the Lord appeared to Abraham. How 301 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,000 does the Lord appear to Abraham? How does Jacob wrestle 302 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:32,279 with God? In Genesis, Jacob not only wrestles with God, 303 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:35,559 but he also says, I have seen God face to face. 304 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,720 When Moses goes to the burning bush, God calls out 305 00:15:38,759 --> 00:15:41,679 of it. God himself is in the burning bush. How 306 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:43,720 do we make sense of this? How do we make 307 00:15:43,759 --> 00:15:47,879 sense of Moses talking face to face with God in Exodus? 308 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:50,519 All throughout the Old Testament there are these theophanies. There 309 00:15:50,519 --> 00:15:52,720 are these things that we read about in Isaiah. When 310 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,720 God is referring to himself in plural and manifesting himself 311 00:15:56,879 --> 00:16:01,000 the spirit of God, the Word, his breath, his glory. 312 00:16:01,159 --> 00:16:04,000 We read about all these scenarios where God interacts with 313 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,720 his people in a very unique way, and I will 314 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,000 cover these in depth later in the video. One of 315 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,360 the most interesting things in the Old Testament is the 316 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:13,840 Angel of the Lord. The Angel of the Lord is 317 00:16:13,879 --> 00:16:17,120 not only an angel who appears continually throughout the Old Testament, 318 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,360 referring to himself as Lord, as God in the first 319 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:23,480 person and not in the second person. Three other angel 320 00:16:23,679 --> 00:16:26,360 refers to himself as a third person. But who is 321 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,799 this Angel of the Lord. From the very beginning in Genesis, 322 00:16:29,799 --> 00:16:33,080 the Angel of the Lord refers to himself as God 323 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,519 in the first person. All these examples in Exodus numbers 324 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,159 Judges Zachariah of the Angel of the Lord talking in 325 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,159 the first person, that this is God, that this is 326 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,399 a manifestation of God. This is no accident. This is 327 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:50,039 exactly why concepts like this were debated in ancient Judaism 328 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,519 and are still debated to this day in rabbinical Judaism 329 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,519 of who is the Angel of the Lord. Even before 330 00:16:56,639 --> 00:16:59,559 Christ became incarnate, there was talk of the Angel of 331 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:03,559 the Lord, about God's Word, the logos, the Spirit, God's wisdom, 332 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:06,720 God's glory. They struggled to make sense of this, and 333 00:17:06,759 --> 00:17:10,119 so when Christ becomes incarnate. The early Church fathers picked 334 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,160 up on this. They weren't inventing anything new. That's who 335 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,200 this is all along. It's Christ. No longer do we 336 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,720 have to wonder of how to make sense of these 337 00:17:17,759 --> 00:17:21,200 Old testament Theophanes, of how Jacob wrestled with God, of 338 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:25,000 how Moses saw God face to face. It's just in 339 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:28,759 their mind that the full revelation was giving. That gets 340 00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:31,920 us into this debate that Sam and Jay recently did. 341 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,680 I think there are some of the best Christian apologists 342 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:36,640 against Islam. 343 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 7: I mean the Bible affirms of the prophet Muhammad is 344 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:41,200 a true prophet and first John Ter. 345 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 3: I'm reading it. 346 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,759 Speaker 7: Yes, it's falls on his fig but it says something's 347 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:47,319 occasionally invites broken. 348 00:17:47,839 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: The rights. 349 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,559 Speaker 7: You say we never made. 350 00:17:58,799 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: Praise be the Father some way spirit to one true God, 351 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,160 and glory to the Son of God who became flesh 352 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:05,799 for our salvation. May the Lord Jesus be magnified and 353 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,119 the falsehood of Toheed exposed. Notice what Daniel did. Instead 354 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,440 of focusing on what it means for Alla to be one, 355 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:14,480 he spent the bulk of his time criticizing the Trinity. 356 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,119 But we will answers objections in a rebuttal period. But 357 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,200 I'm now going to turn against him because not so 358 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,880 fast when he says he believes in Tohed, what exactly 359 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,640 does it mean for Alla to be one? Because I'm 360 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,240 aware that Daniel does believe the fact that Kron is uncreated, 361 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,039 and therefore we now have two distinct eternal entities that 362 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,559 are not identical. Because I'm going to show Daniel, from 363 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:36,839 his authentic sources that the Churn and the chapters of 364 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,880 the Churn actually one to receive and debate with a law. 365 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,640 So now we have a paradox because if the Koran 366 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,400 is the speech of a law and that's all us speaking, 367 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,759 is all us speaking to himself? So is Daniel actually 368 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:48,759 a mobilist or is the apolotheist? Or does he have 369 00:18:48,839 --> 00:18:51,279 a phone with Trinity? But his is even worse because 370 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,839 it's not three persons, because each chapter of the Kron 371 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,200 has the potentiality of speaking with a law. So that 372 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:58,519 means his God consists of at least one hundred and 373 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:01,799 fifteen divine persons, divine beings who can interact with one 374 00:19:01,799 --> 00:19:03,880 another and appear separately. And this is all from his 375 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,119 authentic narrations Secondly, the second problem he has is that 376 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:10,240 according to the Koran, the Spirit of Allah is not Gabriel. 377 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,240 So I'm going to now press him. There's not a 378 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,119 single verse in the chron it says the spirit to 379 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,799 Ruj is Jibidir. He's now dependent on the very scholars 380 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:21,240 of Islam to come centuries later to bail out Alana's messenger, 381 00:19:21,319 --> 00:19:23,799 because that's what he accused the Lord Jesus, that Jesus 382 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,319 wasn't clear enough to articulate to Trinity. But he did 383 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,319 make an admission which is not going to come and 384 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,200 bite him. He admitted Paul taught the Trinity. It's now recorded. 385 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,079 I want everyone to hear it. Paul taught to Trinity, 386 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,799 because when we come to the scriptures, I'm going to 387 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:37,240 show that even the Koran acknowledges that Paul was used 388 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,119 by Allah to spread the truth of the Gospel of 389 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,279 Jesus Christ. The Spirit, according to the Koran, is the 390 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,559 sinc from Alah. He appears as a man, he speaks 391 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:45,839 and creates. So now if we add the spirit to 392 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,359 the Koran and a Lah he's got about one hundred 393 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:50,559 and sixteen divine persons or beans, then we can go 394 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,839 a little further and adjust the issue of the fact 395 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,920 that according to our friend here, Allah has well, he 396 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,480 wouldn't use the term body parts. I don't want to, 397 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,519 mister present him. Allah has as a foot, he has 398 00:20:01,559 --> 00:20:03,839 a shin, he even has loins, and he has at 399 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,480 least two eyes, if not more, in two right hands. Now, 400 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,440 for the life of me, if All is the creator 401 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,240 of the heavens and the earth, how does he exist 402 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:14,480 as an embodied being without him dwelling in space? Because 403 00:20:14,599 --> 00:20:17,440 if he's a temporal, he's timeless. That means his God 404 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:20,160 supposedly exists when there was no time, space in place. 405 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:22,240 But if you have a foot, and you have a shin, 406 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,359 and you have two right hands, I don't know what 407 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,319 happened to the left one, but we'll get into that, 408 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,559 two right hands, at least two eyes. In fact, the 409 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:30,599 Arabic says three or more. We'll get into that. Then 410 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,240 that means his God is an body being who is 411 00:20:33,319 --> 00:20:36,279 temporal and finite, which means that his God did not 412 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,119 create all space or place in time, because there's a 413 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,039 space that his body parts need to occupy in order 414 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:44,240 for him to be his God. So the problem is 415 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:46,839 actually worse for Daniel than for us. So he's going 416 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,680 to have to explain how is it that he's a 417 00:20:48,759 --> 00:20:52,559 polytheist pagan masquerading as a monotheist. 418 00:20:52,839 --> 00:20:53,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. 419 00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:56,039 Speaker 2: I'd like to point out that in Daniel's opening statement 420 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:58,400 he also committed a fallacy, which is a form of 421 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,599 Oukham's razor foul. He kept appealing to the fact that 422 00:21:01,799 --> 00:21:04,480 because it's simple, that it must be obvious, it must 423 00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:06,599 be the case's just to go something scenes or appears 424 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,000 to be simpler or more obvious, or because it was 425 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:11,839 only for short and simple sentences, has nothing to. 426 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 5: Do with whether it's true false. 427 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,519 Speaker 2: In fact, as we're going to see the Muslims amongst 428 00:21:15,519 --> 00:21:19,599 themselves and their various schools all compete and disagree. 429 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,839 Speaker 5: And fight not only over the attributes, but also over jurisprudence. 430 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,279 Speaker 3: Daniel, I want to hear from your own mouth, the 431 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:27,759 yah of a law. Is it a metaphor for his power? 432 00:21:28,839 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 8: It can be a metaphor for his power. It can 433 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,720 be interpreted in many different ways. It does not contradict, 434 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,839 It does not contradict, or hete that does not contradict monotheism. 435 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,440 You can have any position and interpret it as a metaphor, 436 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,319 or you can have a position, and differently to your position. 437 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,559 Speaker 4: What what do you have studied? 438 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 5: You've studied it. You won't see your position, are you what? 439 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 4: I have? You studied all of them? It's irrelev. 440 00:21:59,519 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: Your position. 441 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:06,839 Speaker 6: Study the topic, stick to the topic on explain to me, So, moderator, moderator, 442 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,440 he doesn't let me answer the question, doesn't let me 443 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:10,160 answer the question. 444 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 3: No, because you're not. You're you're doing a dodgeball your Koran. 445 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:18,279 All right, I'm gonna have created right Daniel, Yes, okay, 446 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,079 So the headis that I say when it says will 447 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:26,599 appear as flocks of birds interceeding for those that recited them. 448 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,759 Do you take that metaphorically or do you take it actually? 449 00:22:29,759 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 8: This is a personification of the Quran, just like the 450 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:36,680 Bible verses that I mentioned about rivers plopping their hands 451 00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:38,759 their stones speaking. 452 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,519 Speaker 4: In the psalms. I'll read them again. 453 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,559 Speaker 8: And yeah, you're making the claim that if the Qoran 454 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:48,119 is personified, that means it has a separate mind. 455 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 4: And I find the point. And I see now you're interrupting. 456 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,240 Can I answer? Can I answer the question? 457 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,319 Speaker 3: Good? Good? 458 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 8: So I pointed out that just because there's personification, that 459 00:22:58,599 --> 00:23:01,680 doesn't imply that there's a separate mind, and I cited 460 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:05,319 versus the Bible. Your response. Your response was that no, 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,680 this is just personification in the Bible. So personification is 462 00:23:08,759 --> 00:23:11,359 okay in the Bible. That doesn't imply that the Bible 463 00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:14,240 stones have mines and that rivers have mines. 464 00:23:14,759 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 4: That's fine. But if the bar does it, or if 465 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:18,680 he do it? 466 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 5: Your position is that question? 467 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,319 Speaker 3: You ask your position? Are you going to rant and 468 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,519 rate because you want to eat up time? Stop attacking 469 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,279 straw man in the palm? You will not find where 470 00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:33,279 it says, and the moon will come and intercede for 471 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,640 those that look to it and venerated it. The headiates 472 00:23:36,759 --> 00:23:40,279 I cited is about the day of resurrection. It's about intercession. 473 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,200 So I want to know what do you mean by 474 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:46,200 personification when in those headiates it's talking about the surahs 475 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:50,039 interceding with a law. Will there be intercession? Is that true? 476 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,640 Will people need intercession before a lot? Is that true? 477 00:23:54,079 --> 00:23:57,519 So what exactly do you mean by personification? Because your 478 00:23:57,559 --> 00:24:00,640 appeal to the songs shows that you you don't understand 479 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:01,680 what a personification is. 480 00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:05,519 Speaker 7: Sim of a question, why did those scribes omits for 481 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:07,960 the in the vulgate that Jesus doesn't to day or 482 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480 the hour when it addresses him as this son, speaking 483 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:12,440 of the person, not speaking of natures. 484 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 3: You said about scribes changing the text, so that is 485 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,640 referring to the veracity of the scriptures. But even if 486 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,519 we go with your very imbalanced approach to textual criticism, 487 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,680 they must have done a very poor job because they 488 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,200 left intact the Father loan. So even your argument buries 489 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,400 you because whatever the scribes did, if they inserted the 490 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,960 word son or omitted it, because there's a debate among 491 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,400 textual critics, that passage still has the father loan, So 492 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,319 they must have done a very poor job because they 493 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,720 didn't remove the word alone, and they left Mark thirteen 494 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,640 thirty two intact. Because I know what you're referring to, 495 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,880 Matthew twenty four to thirty seven, the grace of the 496 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,160 Lord Jesus Christ, Muhammed's God in judge, I'm now going 497 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000 to show the Muslims the dilemma they're in because I'm 498 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,960 not debating a bark Erman who doesn't care about Muhammad. 499 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,839 I'm debating Muslims or supposedly take the position of Muhammad. 500 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,920 So I'm appealing to Muhammad because they believe in them. 501 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,079 I pray they repent and turn away from him because 502 00:25:02,079 --> 00:25:03,839 he's under the feet of Jesus Christ. But coming to 503 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,279 that point, any time a Jazz attacks the Bible, he 504 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,240 shows that he's smarter than Muhammad, better than Muhammad, knows 505 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,839 more than Muhammad. Why because the consistent teaching of the 506 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,079 Koran and the sound narrations we're going to get into 507 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,920 this is that Muhammad confirmed the very scriptures that the 508 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,400 Jews and Christians had in their possession at his time. 509 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:23,200 And the Koran says that Jesus confirmed the very scriptures 510 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:25,960 between his hands at his time. Unless now he just 511 00:25:26,079 --> 00:25:28,200 wants to come up with some new set of scriptures, 512 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,440 the only scriptures that would have been in existence time 513 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,799 of Jesus up to Mhammad are the very scriptures that 514 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,559 have variations, just like the Koran does. Let me just 515 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,839 go through a slow versus for the sake of time, 516 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,920 Chapter two, verses forty to forty four, Chapter two, verse 517 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000 eighty nine, Chapter two vers ninety one, Chapter two verses 518 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,839 one oh one, Chapter two verse one thirteen, Chapter two 519 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440 verse one twenty one, Chapter two verse one thirty six, 520 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,880 Chapter three, Verses three to four chapter three, verse fifty, 521 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,359 Chapter four, verse forty seven, and then we go to 522 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,160 chapter five and we ead verses forty three to forty eight, 523 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:02,519 sixty six, six sixty eight aaghos and then the sound narration. 524 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,680 So a Jazz make my day attack the Bible for 525 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,359 variations because you show that you know more than Muhammad. 526 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,559 That means you expose him as a false prophet. But 527 00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:12,960 if you believe in Muhammad, you have to accept the Bible. 528 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,319 And he's still a false prophet because Muhammad was an Umi. 529 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,319 He did not know that his kron contradicts the Bible. Now, 530 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:21,079 the same arguments that they're gonn level against scripture, I 531 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,039 will use to bury their belief in scripture because Ajazz 532 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,039 is going to have to come clean and talk about 533 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:29,000 the aharuf. What are they exactly? What are the seven 534 00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:32,640 aharuf over thirty five opinions given by scholars? And we 535 00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,359 know it cannot be dialectal because I'm going to show 536 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,079 from a hadith in Bukhati that Olmar heard Hasham recite 537 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,319 chapter twenty five of the Koran so differently he dragged 538 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,880 him to Muhammad and Mahmad said, yes, I taught it 539 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,599 to him this way, and Olmar recited, I taught the 540 00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,559 chapter to you this way. But they were both Croatians 541 00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,599 spoke the same dialects, so it cannot be dialectal differences. 542 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:55,920 And then we're going to add to the problem the 543 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:59,279 missing versus and surahs found in the codeses of Abullah 544 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,519 ibn Masud uh by bin kapp two of the four 545 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,200 men that Muhammad said learned the Koran from, He didn't say, 546 00:27:04,279 --> 00:27:07,000 say it ibbin Tabit. He said, learn the Koran from 547 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,160 Abdilabin Masud Ouh by Binkop. And yet they contradicted each 548 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,920 other and your Othmanic codex mosaf because they're missing versus 549 00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,720 and missing service. So much for the perfectly preserved chron 550 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,440 But then add to insult injury, your oathman decided to 551 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,319 burn copies of the Koran that were in conflict to 552 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,720 the point that Muslims are about to come to blows. 553 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,640 You don't come to blows over minor differences. And he 554 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,160 had the Korans burned, and yet Abdilivan Masud refused, to 555 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:37,200 the point that your sources say that Othman instigated a 556 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,839 mob reaction against Abdlivered Masud, who got beat and his 557 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880 bones broken because he thought his knowledge of the kron 558 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,960 was superior to your Saiyah ibn Tabit, who was an ansati. 559 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,839 Then we add insult injury. What do you do with 560 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,319 the different paiad? According to your Muslim sources, there were 561 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,119 twenty five paiad by the time. If the mujah had 562 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,759 came centuries later, three hundred years later after the death 563 00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:05,039 of your prophet, he's the one who standardized seven. By 564 00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,519 who's the forty? So my challenge you is show me 565 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,519 anywhere in your Qur'an or your authentic tradition where your 566 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:16,240 God sanctioned all these paidot and authorized Iban Mujahit to 567 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,799 standardize seventh yat and these peot are not identical. And 568 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,400 then I want you to explain to me what the 569 00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,559 ahruf are. And then we're going to go into the 570 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,200 missing versus. And we're going to go into the missing that's. 571 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 5: Time the. 572 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 2: Text that Sam listed presupposed that you could go and 573 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:35,680 confirm the new. 574 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,079 Speaker 5: Revelation with the old. 575 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 2: So if I were to set up a hypothetical scenario 576 00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,640 of a sixth seventh century you are Christian hearing this message, 577 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:45,119 hearing it for the first time. 578 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,599 Speaker 5: It's being revealed seventh century, I should say, and. 579 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,319 Speaker 2: We're told that we can go check it against the 580 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,039 prior revelation if the prior revelation is corrupt. How foolish 581 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,759 then that we're checking it against something corrupted. And in fact, 582 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,799 the texts actually don't say that the prior revelation is corrupted. 583 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 5: That's a made up thing that he's talking on. 584 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 8: Later on, can you, either of you, explain to me 585 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:09,039 how many Western scholars of the Bible believe that the 586 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,759 Old Testament can be traced back to Moses versus how 587 00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,759 many believe that the Qur'an can be traced to the 588 00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:17,160 life of the prophet Muhammad. 589 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 3: I have one better for you than Western scholars. I 590 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,279 have your prophet. So if Western scholars are right, then 591 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,119 join me in saying Muhammad is an antichrist, a false prophet. 592 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,880 I appeal to your prophet. You appeal to Western scholars. 593 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,400 And it depends on which Western scholars you want appeal to, 594 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:33,920 because not all Western scholars believe the same thing and 595 00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:36,720 hold the same presuppositions. But I can also appeal to 596 00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,160 Western scholars. I don't think that your Qur'an as you 597 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,720 have it, it's even from Othman. It's actually from Abdulmatic 598 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,480 from the eighth centuries. But I did you better. I 599 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:47,319 went to Muhammad. Why do you have a problem Muhammad? 600 00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,119 Why are you ashamed of Muhammad? He's your prophet, right, 601 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,039 Your prophet tells me that the scriptures that Jesus had, 602 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,880 that Torah is the uncorrupt revelation of God, perfectly preserved, 603 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,359 and Jesus confirmed it. And since you believe the Torah 604 00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,119 was given him, your prophet did it for me. So 605 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,799 if you give me ninety nine percent of us in scholarship, 606 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:08,279 then either your prophet is wrong and admit he is, 607 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,440 and I agree is but for other reasons right, or 608 00:30:10,519 --> 00:30:12,599 the scholars are own. You can't have your cake and 609 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,799 eat it too. Why do you keep doing gihad against 610 00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:15,279 your progress? 611 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,279 Speaker 8: You'll find other prophets in the Bible talking about ritual purity. 612 00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:26,160 We acknowledge that these religions were originally from God. So 613 00:30:26,319 --> 00:30:31,240 you do find ritual purity in the Bible or in Christianity, 614 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,400 But that doesn't mean that Islam copied these traditions. The 615 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,319 source is the same, it's coming from the same God. 616 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 5: If it's from the same God, then it's continuity. 617 00:30:43,319 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 4: No, there's no no that continuity. 618 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,599 Speaker 5: How is that good from the same God you just 619 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,200 said that, Yeah, it's the same source. 620 00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 4: Where did I say continuity? 621 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,759 Speaker 2: Well, if the religif the rituals came to our religion 622 00:30:53,839 --> 00:30:55,559 from the same God to yours content. 623 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,799 Speaker 8: You talked about punishment for blasphemy, punishment for adultery, execution 624 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,119 in do you condemn that or do you think that 625 00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,720 that's that the morality? You might think that it's not 626 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:08,640 applicable today, fine, but Jesus is still commanding that for 627 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:10,720 that time, for a previous time. So do you think 628 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,240 that is morally justified? 629 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,519 Speaker 3: All right? 630 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,039 Speaker 4: That's Sam, Sam, Now let. 631 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,799 Speaker 3: Me answer yeah. Now, if you read these laws in 632 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,759 the context from which you're quoting, Unlike your prophet who 633 00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,279 didn't give any sign that his God was backing him up, 634 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920 why don't you read these statements in context, in the 635 00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,759 context you're a law who you admitted Jesus according to Crown, 636 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:31,359 that was Allah, which you just admitted Jesus. So Jesus, 637 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,319 as Mohammed z Allah is God. In the context of 638 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,559 those passages, God appears to the nation visibly in a 639 00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:41,079 pillar of cloud by day and a pillar of fire 640 00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,880 by night, not only in front of the Israelites, but 641 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,319 he also appears to the Egyptians, leaving them with no 642 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:52,200 excuse to defy his commands. In other words, unlike your Ellah, 643 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,240 the God of the Bible prove his existence. The God 644 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:58,079 of the Bible set up a theocracy honor. The God 645 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,240 of the Bible gave them ample proof not to doubt 646 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,599 his existence, so that when they see him in the 647 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,480 pillar of cloud, pilor fire by night, hear his voice 648 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:09,119 audibly and see the signs, so that even the Egyptians 649 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:13,200 saw the pillar of cloud Exodus fourteen nineteen to thirty one, 650 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,640 as well as Joshua two eight to eleven. He gave 651 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,640 the nations no excuse for defying him. So when God 652 00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:22,200 shows up, then he has every right to tell you 653 00:32:22,279 --> 00:32:24,039 how to live, and if you defy him, he has 654 00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,440 every right to take away your life, because he's the 655 00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:29,960 God over death and life. This is unlike your prophet, 656 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,039 who could not provide any proof that God was speaking 657 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,400 through him, who couldnot provide that his God even exists. 658 00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,599 All he did was he borrowed the collateral of the 659 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,799 Jews and Christians, claimed to be a prophet like the 660 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,839 prophets found in the Jewish Christian tradition. But when he's 661 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,400 challenged to prove that God sent him, failed miserably. So 662 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,400 you're comparing apples and pineapples. So if God shows up 663 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,880 and I see and I know that he exists, he 664 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,720 has every right to tell me what to do, and 665 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,119 every right to inflict any punishment he deems fit, unlike 666 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:03,400 your e law, who doesn't exist. 667 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,319 Speaker 2: You notice that when I brought up the line of 668 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,920 argumentation that Daniel had in our debate, he didn't want 669 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:08,359 to go there. 670 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 5: He immediately said that I was that he was living. 671 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:14,039 Speaker 2: Rent free in my head, in other words, deflecting away 672 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:15,480 from the fact that I've called him out. 673 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 5: On an inconsistency. 674 00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:19,079 Speaker 2: Because in that debate he was arguing for Islam having 675 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,680 more continuity with the laws of the Old Testament. That 676 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,519 doesn't suit his purpose here, and so he doesn't want 677 00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:25,920 to go to that and he has to deflect a 678 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,519 wate live in your head rent free. No, that's because 679 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,559 I just caught you in a double standard. You're using 680 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,480 two different. 681 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 5: Standards as you. 682 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 8: He's ignorant of Mosaic law because the Jews who lived 683 00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,680 after the time of Cyanai, they were still bound by 684 00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:41,000 the Old Testament law. 685 00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 4: They were still bound by the Mosaic law. They were 686 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:44,240 still killing the. 687 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 8: Blasphemers, executing anyone who tempted you to worship idols. 688 00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 4: You have to execute them. That's what Jesus says. 689 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,039 Speaker 8: Those Jews didn't see pillars of clouds, they didn't see 690 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:55,640 any miracles. 691 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: They're living after the time of Sianai. So your biblical 692 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,440 or your exit Jesus is completely off base. 693 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: Daniel, to listen better. I know you're gonna embarrass yourself. 694 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,920 You just destroyed your prophet again because if you read 695 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,599 the Old Testament, God didn't stop at Sennai. And you're 696 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,440 concusing me and not reading the Bible. I think you 697 00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:14,719 want to be an Umi like your prophet. Continue reading 698 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,800 the rest of the Old Testament. God kept sending prophets 699 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,199 with miracles and signs to keep ratifying and confirming his 700 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,559 existence and that this is his law and he has 701 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:26,760 a right to put to death whenever he wants. Because 702 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,599 in one King's eighteen Elijah had a shout down with 703 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,519 your spiritual ancestors because your God all love the chron 704 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,599 is bail and there God showed up miraculously that your 705 00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:38,679 God is fake and Yahweh is true. So no, I 706 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,639 am consistent with the Old Testament narrative. All throughout God 707 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,679 shows up miraculously through prophets to confirm I am God. 708 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,400 This is my convenant. I have a right to do 709 00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,960 with you as I see fit. Nothing for your prophet, 710 00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:52,639 the prophet of bail, because your God is a fake God, 711 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,639 and the God revealed in Jesus is the true God. 712 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,559 Speaker 4: End of story. 713 00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 3: Bye bye Oh. 714 00:34:57,039 --> 00:34:59,159 Speaker 7: The Bible of films of the prophet Muhammad is a 715 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,719 true prophet. And first. 716 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 3: I'm reading it. 717 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,519 Speaker 7: Yes it's false and it's fig but it says something's occasionallyvite, 718 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,000 brooken cluck, come the right, look looking the clock. Can 719 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:10,920 you write twice a y? 720 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:13,320 Speaker 5: That's good here? 721 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, But we wanted to be courteous and not 722 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,960 bring this stuff up. But when Sam gets down and 723 00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,039 dirty and starts insulting the prophet Mohammed upon then we 724 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,400 have to respond in kind. We have to insult Sam 725 00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:35,159 and point out his vile history and the kinds of 726 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:36,960 filth that he puts on his channel. 727 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 4: So we're just playing fair. 728 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,679 Speaker 8: You wanted to go down and dirty and these filthy language, 729 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,440 then we're going to bring up the fact that a 730 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,519 plumber basically stole your wife and you and you had 731 00:35:46,599 --> 00:35:47,679 certain charges against you. 732 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:48,159 Speaker 4: That's all. 733 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 3: That's all condemn Now, as far as those accusations, let's 734 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,920 assume those accusations are true. All you're proving is that 735 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,039 I'm a sinner and faithful to the teachings of Christ. 736 00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,320 But I was acting like Muhammad because Mohammad did a 737 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,239 lot of plumbing a lot of women other than his 738 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,800 own wives. Because when he's sanctioned married women and selling 739 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,440 them off as chattel, that's condemned by the God of 740 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,800 Moses in Deuroonomy twenty one ten to fourteen. So Lord, 741 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,159 forgive me for acting like Muhammad, because I know acting 742 00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,320 like Muhammad leads me to help, so I may have mercy. 743 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,360 And as far as violence, well, it's your chron that 744 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,639 says that you guys can beat your wives. So if 745 00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,559 you want to accuse me of that, more power to 746 00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:20,800 be so. 747 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 7: Scholars do not say it chooses back to the very 748 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,480 words of Jesus. To say it goes back to the 749 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,039 ideas about what Jesus could have said. It's called the 750 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:31,039 ebism of vox. So what Jesus could have said, there 751 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,840 is no way to determine that Jesus actually said anything 752 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:36,239 that is claimed in the New Testaments. 753 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,079 Speaker 3: When he talks about it, of Ox sees some of 754 00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,199 verbal that. Now he just destroyed the Koran even worse 755 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,440 because when we come to the case of the Gospels, 756 00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,239 no Christian denies that human authors were used to communicate 757 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,800 the words of Jesus in translation in Greek. And God 758 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,039 can do that, so they're not going to quote exactly 759 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,159 the same way in the target language. But what he 760 00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,280 doesn't tell you, and I did series on this, all 761 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,079 lah who supposedly speaking the Koran, will repeat the same 762 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,079 story with the same speech where they're Moses and the 763 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:03,320 Egyptians or Chapan it believes, and a lah or a 764 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,119 lot and he cannot get the details in the exact 765 00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,679 same way. He'll quote the same speeches and often various conflicting, 766 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:15,320 contradictory reporting. So the kron itself is one huge apsisima vox, 767 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,079 which is surprising because I thought Allah speaking and Allah 768 00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,079 knows everything and recalls speeches perfectly, So much for a 769 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,719 law and him being all knowing. And then if we 770 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,360 extend that to the Hadith, your own scholars admit that 771 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,000 when it comes to even your authentic traditions. You have 772 00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:32,519 absisima vox of your prophet, not a sis verba. Moreover, 773 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,199 if the Bible is not preserved, you prove Muhammed is 774 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,639 an antichrist because he confirm all the scriptures. He didn't 775 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,280 make any fuss about the variant readings because if he did, 776 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,519 he would end up bearing your Koran, because he admit 777 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,079 that the Koran did not come down in one mode. Aharuf, 778 00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,320 with your scholars till this day don't even know what 779 00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:52,159 that means. That's why you have over thirty five opinions 780 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,239 about what the aharu are, which means, if you're consistent, 781 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,280 you just destroyed the Koran. You destroyed your prophet, you 782 00:37:58,360 --> 00:37:59,719 destroyed your God stopp being a. 783 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:00,840 Speaker 4: Mist there's a debate. 784 00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,039 Speaker 8: There's not no clarity in the Christian tradition because it's 785 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,599 a contradiction, that's why. But we don't have the same 786 00:38:06,679 --> 00:38:09,920 problem in Islam. The Quran doesn't have a mind. So 787 00:38:10,039 --> 00:38:11,880 how does it contradict monotheism? 788 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 4: No one, No one could explain that. No one could explain. 789 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,679 Speaker 2: Because there's a debate, it's not clear. Would that mean 790 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,599 that because there's a debate in as long amongst all 791 00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,280 the schools. None of it's clear about the attributes. 792 00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:29,119 Speaker 8: No one debates about Islam having multiple gods having attributes 793 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,719 that I have multiple attributes. That doesn't mean I'm multiple 794 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:37,760 people like is How is that? How does that contradict debate? 795 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 4: Explain? 796 00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,519 Speaker 5: You know, deblame you debates. 797 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,159 Speaker 8: I'm not saying that there are debates that there are 798 00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:48,280 no debates in Islam. There are debates in theology, so 799 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,519 that was a bad argument. But there's debate in Christianity 800 00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:54,400 about the nature of God. There isn't that same debate 801 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,440 about there's being three and one? What is the difference 802 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,800 between the auther and do they have the same knowledge? 803 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,000 Do they have the same will? Do they have the 804 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,039 same knowledge? Do they have the same will? We don't 805 00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,440 have the same debate. We don't have that same debate 806 00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:09,239 in Islama. 807 00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:14,679 Speaker 5: If there's debate that's not clear, that's a fallacy. You're 808 00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:15,559 a fallacy machine. 809 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 4: That's fine. 810 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,199 Speaker 8: First of all, the Quran says that the Torah and 811 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,039 the Engel, the scripture of the past has been distorted. 812 00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:28,920 They change it with their hands. Point number two is 813 00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:33,199 that he doesn't understand the difference between I'm versus hass 814 00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:39,679 In Arabic means general general statement versus hass a specific statement. 815 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,960 So if I point to a book and I say 816 00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:46,199 this is a reliable book or this book confirms what 817 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,960 I'm saying, I don't necessarily mean that they're every single 818 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,679 line of that book I agree with, or every single 819 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,559 line of that book is true. I'm making that making 820 00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:59,079 an I'm statement a general statement that the book is true. 821 00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,199 Sam can only have an uncharitable reading or an uncharitable 822 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,800 interpretation of the prophet's words in that hadith if we 823 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,519 assume that that hadith is authentic. So there is a 824 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:12,159 difference of opinion on the authenticity of that hadith, and 825 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:12,679 he knows it. 826 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,159 Speaker 3: Chapter two versus seventy eight seventy nine shows again what 827 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:16,719 you've been doing in the Bible. You're doing to your 828 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,920 own Koran, and you fall under the condemnation of three 829 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:22,440 seventy eight. You not only have the audacity twist the scriptures, 830 00:40:22,599 --> 00:40:25,480 you have the audacity twist the Kuran. Anyone I'm challenging here, 831 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,000 Let's do a debate on two seventy five cent and 832 00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,519 in your proof text, Mono Imano, let's debate it. Go 833 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,960 read the context. I've done an extensive study and the 834 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,320 Muslim commentators. It's talking about a particular group identified as 835 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,639 Jews who wrote the book with their own hands. It 836 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,599 doesn't say all Jews everywhere, let alone mention the Christians. 837 00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,840 You just butchered the Koran like you've been butchering the Bible. 838 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,920 But I come back to butcher you. That's number one. 839 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,119 Number two. You said that the hadith where Mohammad confirmed 840 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,639 the Torah, that there are differences of opinion. Well, you 841 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,679 probably didn't hear my recent responses to your friend Jake 842 00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,039 Ibin Tayim l Jozia, which I have quoted. And if 843 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:04,519 you want to read Arabic because you think about reading Arabic, 844 00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:07,400 I'll let you read Arabic and parson it Iibin km 845 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:10,760 l Josiah said, a group of scholars believe the Torah 846 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:14,360 is uncorrupt. One of the evidences they gave is the 847 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,639 hadith of Abu Dao would they quoted it, They didn't 848 00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:20,840 question its authenticity, and even El Albani said it's Hassan. 849 00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,000 But put Albani aside. Ibin km l Josiah for those 850 00:41:24,039 --> 00:41:26,159 of you who don't know, he's the disciple of Sekhol 851 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:30,199 Islam Iban Tamia, his granddaddy when it comes to selfie anthropomorphism, 852 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,960 and he says, these scholars quoted this HEADI. I guess 853 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,000 they didn't know about the science of Adid classification. Thank God, 854 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,320 I'll have sent you to correct them, because they said 855 00:41:38,519 --> 00:41:41,159 that when Muhammad saw virek Torah, he put it on 856 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,199 the cushion. He goes, I believe in you, and him 857 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,480 will revealed you. And then the scholars say he would 858 00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:48,039 not have said it if he thought that Toro was corupted. 859 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,880 And among the people that ibink El Josiah lists as 860 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,960 saying that tour and the Gospel are incorruptible are El 861 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:58,760 Buchhi and Razi, which you probably don't care much about. Razzi, 862 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000 but Imam Elbu, the one who collected it almost said 863 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,599 some technicians. According to you. That is now the final 864 00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:07,119 thing is if variant readings in validate the Bible, it 865 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,679 varies your Koran because you have thousands of variant readings. 866 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,679 But then you explained the way as kiat, But who 867 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,639 authorized the karate? Show me one verse from your a 868 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,400 law that said that Mujahad would come and standardise seven 869 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,840 readings of the Koran. You make it up as you 870 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,360 go along. The gig is up game over free religion. 871 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,079 Speaker 8: Now, to be fair, Mohammed pisp upon him also commands 872 00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:28,119 war in some contexts, but the difference is Muhammed piece 873 00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,679 behind doesn't command Muslims to kill women, children and babies. 874 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 3: I want to thank Daniel for proving that Jesus has 875 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,880 got a law, because according to the Koran in Chapter five, 876 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:39,760 verse twenty to twenty six, it was his allaw that 877 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,559 ordered Moses and Israelites tenter Kanaan and wipe it out. Also, 878 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,559 it was his a law that ordered Saal, which the 879 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,159 Koran erroneously calls Talu in chapter two, verse two forty 880 00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:52,880 six to two fifty one, where it was his Allah, 881 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,679 whom he said was Jesus. So he just I met 882 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,480 Jesus say Allah, Mohammed's God in judge in chapter two, 883 00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,719 verse two forty six to two fifty one, who ordered 884 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,639 salt on these expeditions, and there's not a word of 885 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,320 condemnation by his prophet saying that what Saal did to 886 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,239 the livestock and children was an abomination to a law. 887 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,559 That means he's better than his God and his prophet. 888 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:13,880 And again I want to thank Daniel for proving that 889 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:18,119 Jesus is Allah his God, because in Saihelbuhari volume four, 890 00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,599 number three fifty three asked me to read it because 891 00:43:20,599 --> 00:43:22,159 I don't want to end up my time there. In 892 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,880 an authentic narration, his prophet refers to a prophet who 893 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,000 went in an expedition jihad and the son stood still, 894 00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,559 and his prophet narrates the injunctions of Deranmi chapter twenty 895 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,480 and also alludes to Joshua chapter seventy ten, so that 896 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,039 means Jesus is a law his God, Muhammad's judge. Because 897 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:43,719 according to your prophet, your God sanctioned these wars, so 898 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,079 that means you're better than your. 899 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,119 Speaker 5: Before time began, there was the cube. 900 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,039 Speaker 4: We know not where it comes from, only that it 901 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:53,800 holds the power to create worlds. 902 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,519 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for watching. God bless