Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray. I'm telling you beasy Boston Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Night's Side. Gary Tagway, thank you very
Speaker 2: much filling in uh or day of this evening. Appreciate it,
Speaker 2: Dan Uh. This next guest has done so much. You
Speaker 2: take a look at the resume and she's been really busy.
Speaker 2: Christy Cashman joins us. Now, Christy, we have a mutual
Speaker 2: friend in Casey Sherman, and she told me, he says,
Speaker 2: you got a great book out. But I look at
Speaker 2: everything you've done, and I don't know where to begin,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, whether it's the novel, whether it's the acting,
Speaker 2: whether it's being an executive producer, whether it's like owning
Speaker 2: a castle with your husband Jay in Ireland. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just the list goes on and on. I have
Speaker 2: to I do want to talk about the castle because
Speaker 2: how cool is that? How cool?
Speaker 3: Is it very cool?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I bet it is.
Speaker 3: I bet it is.
Speaker 2: But let's we'll start with the novel here, which, you know,
Speaker 2: I anybody that can sit down and write a novel
Speaker 2: I have. I have a lot of respect, respectful because
Speaker 2: I've done it myself and it's really hard to do. Uh.
Speaker 2: The novel is the truth about horses, and just to
Speaker 2: tell us about it, why you wrote it? Everybody loves horses.
Speaker 2: It looks like a terrific story, so tell us about it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 3: I chose the world of horses. And thank you, by
Speaker 3: the way, thanks for having me. I'm so happy to
Speaker 3: be on tonight. I chose the world of horses because
Speaker 3: that's what I know. And I think a long time ago,
Speaker 3: when when I first sort of set out to write,
Speaker 3: someone wisely said, write what you know. And I think
Speaker 3: that is because you know, if you know something well,
Speaker 3: you describe it well, you kind of know all the
Speaker 3: description of your senses. That that really is what writing
Speaker 3: is all about, you know, describing what your senses are absorbing.
Speaker 3: And I could do that with writing about the world
Speaker 3: of horses. And then in terms of what the protagonist
Speaker 3: reas goes through with loss, I can also write about
Speaker 3: that well because because I've experienced loss. I'm sure almost
Speaker 3: everyone in life at some point experiences loss, and I experienced,
Speaker 3: at a young age losing my mom. So I was
Speaker 3: able to write from a place of, you know, kind
Speaker 3: of knowing what that feels like and knowing how that
Speaker 3: makes you feel like you're kind of on the outside
Speaker 3: looking in at the rest of the world a lot
Speaker 3: of the time, and you know that you've all of
Speaker 3: a sudden have this huge sort of chasm between yourself
Speaker 3: and everyone else. And it's not necessarily true, because a
Speaker 3: lot of people you know go through it. It's just
Speaker 3: what it makes you feel like. And so I could
Speaker 3: write that perspective from a teenager in a very believable way,
Speaker 3: I think. And so once you have that, I think,
Speaker 3: once you have the world, and then once you have
Speaker 3: a believable protagonist who you kind of love but also
Speaker 3: watch her make these horrible mistakes and sort of cringe
Speaker 3: and think, oh my gosh, what is she doing? Then
Speaker 3: I think you've got to you know, you've got a hook.
Speaker 3: You'll you have hopefully you know, a reader who will
Speaker 3: want to turn the page. And that's what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's hard to do, really, like you said, because we
Speaker 3: are bombarded by so much content now and books are difficult.
Speaker 3: It's a commitment to read a book.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the main character, the protagonist, fourteen year
Speaker 2: old Reis Tucker, and you said, obviously there's some of
Speaker 2: you in her, are some of those mistakes in her
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 3: Some of them, but maybe different, you know, different but similar.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I think there's a great expression that I like when
Speaker 3: you talk about writing fix is you don't write about yourself,
Speaker 3: You write out of yourself. And I think that's so true.
Speaker 3: You know, that's how I felt during the whole process
Speaker 3: of writing this book. I you know, I am not Reese.
Speaker 3: In some ways, I kind of wish I had a
Speaker 3: little bit more in me, maybe when I was a kid.
Speaker 3: And so maybe she's a little bit of an alter ego,
Speaker 3: but she's a part for sure.
Speaker 2: You know, Well, tell us about Reese. What is she like?
Speaker 2: Why do we Why do we care about Reeche Tucker
Speaker 2: and her parents and how she's training horses? Why do
Speaker 2: we care about her?
Speaker 3: We care about her because she is so flawed and damaged,
Speaker 3: and I think that everybody can relate to that. You know,
Speaker 3: she is hurting, and and she's expressing her hurt in
Speaker 3: all the wrong ways. Instead of, you know, making herself lovable,
Speaker 3: she's almost making herself un lovable because she's so angry
Speaker 3: about how hurt she's been. And I think that's really common.
Speaker 3: I think that people who are hurt are often angry.
Speaker 3: And as a fourteen year old. That was the only
Speaker 3: way that she could express her hurt. And aside from
Speaker 3: the hurt of her loss, she has this father who
Speaker 3: is avoiding all of his you know, feelings at all costs.
Speaker 3: And so now she has, you know, a loss in
Speaker 3: one parent and then a loss in another in terms
Speaker 3: of he's just emotionally unavailable. Right, everyone can deal with
Speaker 3: that too, right. Everyone knows what that's like to know
Speaker 3: an emotionally unavailable person and live with him. You know,
Speaker 3: we all have have lived with those people, you know,
Speaker 3: whether they are parents or siblings or you know, or bouses,
Speaker 3: We've all had least experience some experience with that.
Speaker 2: Christy Cashman is our guest, the author of The Truth
Speaker 2: About Horses and fourteen year old Reis Tucker, the main
Speaker 2: character in the story where the Tucker's dream of running
Speaker 2: a horse in the Black Elk, which is the big race.
Speaker 2: I love the name the Black Elk. I want to
Speaker 2: know where you came up with that. And if they
Speaker 2: win this race, everything's going to be fine, right, So
Speaker 2: is that the big moment in the story.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the big dream, that's the big thing that's
Speaker 3: out there, you know. And the brass ring I guess.
Speaker 3: And I think in stories it's always helpful to have
Speaker 3: that big, you know, thing that you wish for that
Speaker 3: could change everything in your life. And and if you
Speaker 3: could only you know, if you could, just if if
Speaker 3: this were justin reach and and and for her family,
Speaker 3: that's it. I mean, there's sort of of living paycheck
Speaker 3: by paycheck with what they do in the horse world.
Speaker 3: But they love doing it because that's what their life
Speaker 3: is all about, you know. I think that they have
Speaker 3: a great life until there's a tragedy, you know, and
Speaker 3: winning this race is part of something that would be
Speaker 3: life changing, life altering for them for for you know,
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 2: And Christy, where can they pick up the book? Obviously Amazon,
Speaker 2: but local bookstores as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely go to your local bookstore. If they don't
Speaker 3: have it on their shelf, ask them to take it
Speaker 3: because I think it's great. Ask them to get it
Speaker 3: because I think it's great to support your local bookstore.
Speaker 3: And definitely Amazon, Target pretty much anywhere books are sold.
Speaker 3: And I do love, like I said, supporting your local.
Speaker 2: Bookstore the truth about horses. Now we're going to go
Speaker 2: from books. You want to talk some movies coming up? Sure?
Speaker 2: All right, there's one movie in particular. There's one movie
Speaker 2: in particular if I star on your resume, I want
Speaker 2: to discuss, and that is with filmmaker Arthur and castle
Speaker 2: Owner Christy Cashman next to WBZ.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Mine from the Window World
Speaker 1: late set Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2: Radio, Garry Tag waiting for Dan Raig tonight, our guest,
Speaker 2: Christy Cashman, author, filmmaker and like I said, castle owner.
Speaker 2: Not everybody can say that that's that's that's quite a
Speaker 2: triple play man. I'll tell you that right now.
Speaker 3: So well it's a small castle.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, sure fine.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I noticed on your IMDb page and you're you're into
Speaker 2: the to the acting scene locally and also producing developing
Speaker 2: films the kids are all right, you're an executive producer
Speaker 2: on that which starred Julian Moore, Annette Benning and Mark Ruffalo.
Speaker 2: And folks, if you're looking for a good movie to watch,
Speaker 2: and there's not that on Netflix, watch this film. I
Speaker 2: loved it. I thought it was original, I thought it
Speaker 2: was creative. I thought it had heart conflict and just
Speaker 2: to set up quick, Julian more than at Benning are
Speaker 2: a gay couple and they have children because of Mark Ruffalo,
Speaker 2: who was a biological father but was anonymous, and then
Speaker 2: the kids bring him into their lives. Just how did
Speaker 2: you get involved in the project. I thought it was
Speaker 2: a great film.
Speaker 3: It was a great film. Yeah. Well, at the time,
Speaker 3: I was, you know, reading scripts and trying to produce basically,
Speaker 3: and that one came across my desk through a producer friend,
Speaker 3: and I read it, and I thought that the writing
Speaker 3: was pretty amazing, and the story was great and unique,
Speaker 3: like you said, and that's hard, you know, you don't
Speaker 3: co across those sort of special stories very frequently. And
Speaker 3: as soon as I read it, I felt I felt
Speaker 3: like it was special. But also it was it was timing,
Speaker 3: like there was I was working on something else and
Speaker 3: and uh, a producer who was who was also working
Speaker 3: on The Kids Are all right, was I was reading
Speaker 3: my script and and so it's all I don't know,
Speaker 3: it's all very serendipitous, you know, when you come across
Speaker 3: great projects and.
Speaker 2: What a cast. Oh my god, I.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, really amazing. I know, I have to rewatch it.
Speaker 3: It's been a while.
Speaker 2: It has been a while, and that's why I want
Speaker 2: to bring it to people's attention because unfortunately, projects like
Speaker 2: this are getting made anymore. I agree, you know, and
Speaker 2: I don't know why do you have any idea why?
Speaker 2: I mean, you're obviously in a in front of the
Speaker 2: camera behind in the camera. We're seeing projects streaming like
Speaker 2: The Bear, which is terrific succession, but there's a lot
Speaker 2: of pain, there's a lot of just anger, and I'm
Speaker 2: just dying. I mean, I'm a sap, you know, I'm dying.
Speaker 3: For a good story.
Speaker 2: Maybe the truth about horses. We need to get that
Speaker 2: made into a movie.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: Well, we might be a series, actually, is what they're
Speaker 3: talking about. You know, I've heard that it's a pendulum,
Speaker 3: is that we as a society where we sort of
Speaker 3: the pendulum sort of swings between you know, those kind
Speaker 3: of dark projects and the ones that are that keep
Speaker 3: us on the edge of our seat two more heartwarming
Speaker 3: and comforting and you know, I don't know, joy filled
Speaker 3: and uplifting projects, And I think that maybe this pendulum
Speaker 3: is swinging. I've all also heard that it has to
Speaker 3: do with with what we're going through in our country,
Speaker 3: with with you know, things that are upsetting and war
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing. Is that if we feel
Speaker 3: like we're on the brink of disaster in our real lives.
Speaker 3: We want to watch more comforting films and content when
Speaker 3: we're you know, enjoying ourselves. That kind of makes sense
Speaker 3: to me. I don't know. I heard that somebody say
Speaker 3: that a long time ago. I kind of believe it.
Speaker 2: What do you think we are right now? Because the
Speaker 2: actors strike, as you and I both know, I must,
Speaker 2: it had to happen. I think the union did what
Speaker 2: they had to do, but it also set things back,
Speaker 2: which we understand that sometimes you have to go a
Speaker 2: step back to go to forward. Do you think things
Speaker 2: will start coming back? Because from what I understand in
Speaker 2: Hollywood and in production, things are people are in trouble,
Speaker 2: really in trouble in Hollywood. And when I say Hollywood,
Speaker 2: I mean the entertainment Universe. They're not producing content like
Speaker 2: they were two years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I've heard the same thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a really good question. I wish I
Speaker 3: had the answer. It seems like maybe there are certain things,
Speaker 3: you know, that might get made faster than others if
Speaker 3: they're if they're you know, if they don't require a uh,
Speaker 3: you know, a list lead or if if they're really
Speaker 3: plot driven or whatever. I really don't know. It's it's
Speaker 3: so hard to it's so hard to really predict that.
Speaker 2: What I've been hearing is that, you know, they keep
Speaker 2: saying fourth quarter of this year because you know, Netflix
Speaker 2: and Amazon and Paramount Plus and Paramounts being sold and
Speaker 2: they want to recoup their losses from the strike and
Speaker 2: so forth, and some other unions had to go on
Speaker 2: strike as well. So maybe we'll get back to it.
Speaker 2: But I see my wife sitting there, Christy, watching Instagram
Speaker 2: and laughing. Yeah, but hours has Instagram replaced the situation comedy?
Speaker 2: You know? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think absolutely. How about the fact that like
Speaker 3: if I turn on a TV show or Netflix or
Speaker 3: whatever something i'm watching, I'm still scrolling, you know, I'll
Speaker 3: we have such short attention spans. It's such a disaster. Really,
Speaker 3: I mean, we really don't have a lot of We
Speaker 3: don't give anything a lot of time. And if you
Speaker 3: think about it, like some of the great novels that
Speaker 3: we used to read by it would take page up
Speaker 3: to page you know, fifty or one hundred until we
Speaker 3: really built up to anything that was all shadow Well.
Speaker 3: I also say it's crazy.
Speaker 2: A lot of the great writers and showrunners and creative
Speaker 2: people have become involved in series because if you have
Speaker 2: a series like The Bear or you know, Bad Monkey,
Speaker 2: which is based in a book that's on Apple TV
Speaker 2: right now, that's good, you know. You instead of making
Speaker 2: into a movie that's two hours, you basically make it
Speaker 2: into three movies where it's an eight hour series. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because that's what I think has replaced quality movies.
Speaker 2: Is the series on on Netflix or on streaming.
Speaker 3: Oh, they definitely have, They definitely have. And they're really good.
Speaker 3: They're really good. The writing is amazing, you know, it's
Speaker 3: like they they they they're made so that we want
Speaker 3: to binge watch them. I just started The Perfect Couple
Speaker 3: tonight with you know, Ellen Hildebrand's adapted book, and it's
Speaker 3: looking pretty good.
Speaker 2: Is that with who's starring in that?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: And that was filmed here? That's right, that was filmed
Speaker 2: here in Bosmon, Yeah, and bos actually Chatham. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: the authors from Nantucket, correct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ellen Hildebrand, that's.
Speaker 2: What I think. So the Truth about Horses that has
Speaker 2: a shot. If that were to be a series, would
Speaker 2: you go eight episodes? Would it be just a single.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you can tell us.
Speaker 3: I well, I think it's at least six six episodes,
Speaker 3: but because it's broken up into three parts as a novel,
Speaker 3: and I can easily see each part being two episodes. However,
Speaker 3: the last producer who's interested that I spoke to felt
Speaker 3: like that all of the characters you know, could almost
Speaker 3: be an episode. And there are at least a dozen
Speaker 3: characters that are you know, possibly worthy of their backstory,
Speaker 3: worthy of fleshing out, worthy of knowing more about. So
Speaker 3: you know, I really don't know. I mean, I'm I
Speaker 3: would love to be part of that kind of as
Speaker 3: a consultant, but then get back to writing another novel
Speaker 3: and work on that.
Speaker 2: Can you can you give us who would be any names?
Speaker 2: Any big name Hollywood people. Have you thought of anybody?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, it's as far as cast I mean
Speaker 3: I have, I mean I've thought of some, but there's
Speaker 3: no I don't have any attachments as of yet. I
Speaker 3: just have production companies who are reading it, who are
Speaker 3: interested in, you know, and had a few bites of
Speaker 3: the ones who are interested in potentially adapting it.
Speaker 2: All right, Christy, before we wrap up, and before I
Speaker 2: let you go. You have to tell me, and I
Speaker 2: want how do you pronounce the name of your castle?
Speaker 3: Kill key?
Speaker 2: Kill key? Okay there, I was gonna say kill key,
Speaker 2: but kill key. And it's a it's also it's a
Speaker 2: hotel now right from what I.
Speaker 3: Understand, Yeah, it's a resort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a resort. How did this happen? How did
Speaker 2: you and jail? How do we're going to go buy
Speaker 2: a castle? I mean, this is this is great. This
Speaker 2: is great, you know talking to the family. What have
Speaker 2: you guys done? Well, you know, we just picked up
Speaker 2: a castle. How did this happen?
Speaker 3: That's hilarious kind of like that. No, uh, I've been
Speaker 3: going over to Ireland for years horseback riding, and this
Speaker 3: is even you know, before I met my husband, and
Speaker 3: he's half Irish and he had never been to Ireland
Speaker 3: and we met and I was going over I was
Speaker 3: heading over there with a group to go riding and
Speaker 3: and and we had just started dating, and he said,
Speaker 3: well I should come along, and I was like, well, okay,
Speaker 3: but I don't know what you're going to do when
Speaker 3: I'm on a horse all day long, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's sort of a whole day affair. Over there, and
Speaker 3: because you oftentimes, you know, you stay at a hotel
Speaker 3: and you have to drive two hours to wherever you're
Speaker 3: going to do the you know, the long trek on horseback,
Speaker 3: and then the trek is four to six hours and
Speaker 3: then it's been you know, all day. So I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not sure what your plan is
Speaker 3: because he doesn't really ride, and he said, well, just
Speaker 3: go look for a castle. I definitely thought he was
Speaker 3: joking at the time, but then as the years went by,
Speaker 3: he kept looking and and you know, kind of checking
Speaker 3: out different props and and we were married a Dare manor,
Speaker 3: which is in a Dare, Ireland near County in County Limerick,
Speaker 3: and at one point he was, you know, he was
Speaker 3: thinking he might buy that, but kill Key came up
Speaker 3: and that was actually more interesting because it was a
Speaker 3: little more raw. It's a little more out in an
Speaker 3: area where it's closer to Dublin, and but it's at
Speaker 3: the same time it's far away from everything. So you know,
Speaker 3: it takes about an hour and fifteen minutes to get
Speaker 3: there from Dublin and you really are in the middle
Speaker 3: of the most beautiful Irish countryside is beautiful. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: But County Kildare horse farm after horse farm after horse farm,
Speaker 3: and you know, a lot of Ireland is getting developed
Speaker 3: and so a lot of the other properties that we
Speaker 3: were looking at were being kind of encroached on by
Speaker 3: developments and this one wasn't, and so that was definitely appealing,
Speaker 3: as well as the fact that it's an actual fortress.
Speaker 3: A lot of you know a lot of people like
Speaker 3: to say they have a castle, but they don't have a.
Speaker 2: Real Do you have a moat? Do you have a moat?
Speaker 3: There was a moat who was a moat, and so
Speaker 3: it actually really was a fortress for one and it's
Speaker 3: one of the oldest still inhabited fortresses. So that's kind
Speaker 3: of cool. You know. It's the it dates back to
Speaker 3: eleven eighty, that's.
Speaker 2: A basic that's Is it haunted? Is there haunted? There's
Speaker 2: going to be a ghost around there somewhere, or has
Speaker 2: anybody ever? You got to think about this. Somebody has
Speaker 2: been beheaded in that castle, maybe recently. Who knows.
Speaker 3: That. Comes on over and check it out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yet that put that on the brochure.
Speaker 3: You know, well you got to come visit us. I'll
Speaker 3: try to a golfer.
Speaker 2: I'll try to work it into the schedule. I'm not
Speaker 2: really I know, I'm not really.
Speaker 3: I'm not either. I'm not either. But I like to
Speaker 3: mess around and just go out and you know, and
Speaker 3: try and it's fun. I don't take myself seriously, so
Speaker 3: every once in a while I can hit the ball.
Speaker 2: I could just go over and get some corned beef
Speaker 2: and cabbage and I'd leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I should just I should just stay on a horse.
Speaker 2: Really well, The Truth About Horses. Check it out. You
Speaker 2: can get it at your local bookstore also online. Terrific story.
Speaker 2: And hopefully we'll see that in a series someplace soon.
Speaker 2: And best of luck with the Castle, best of luck
Speaker 2: with and hopefully we got some more movie production coming
Speaker 2: to Massachusetts, so we'll keep our fingers crossed.
Speaker 3: Yes and toes yeah, yes, all the all of the above.
Speaker 2: Christy, thanks for joining us. Good to talk to you.
Speaker 3: Likewise, thanks for having me on. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: No problem, Christy Cassman joining us, author, producer, Castle Owner
Speaker 2: again the debut novel, The Truth Horses. It's a terrific story.
Speaker 2: Young adult novel. Fourteen year old rysh Tucker along with
Speaker 2: their parents raised and train horses, and she has a
Speaker 2: dream of running a horse in the Black Elk, a
Speaker 2: race that if they wanted to turn their fortunes around,
Speaker 2: sounds like a good one to me. All right, Still
Speaker 2: to come WBC's Night Side. Some late breaking developments regarding
Speaker 2: the shooting in Georgia that I want to discuss with
Speaker 2: you and we will talk about the Patriots have coming
Speaker 2: season when the ko yang at eleven o'clock right here
Speaker 2: on WBC.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Carry tag away for Dan tonight here on WBC, and
Speaker 2: thank you, Dann. We appreciate that. So some late breaking
Speaker 2: developments in the tragedy in the Georgia schools shooting. Just
Speaker 2: so the father of Colt Gray, who is the fourteen
Speaker 2: year old young man who murdered four people, so he's
Speaker 2: definitely going away forever. The father, Colin Grade fifty four,
Speaker 2: who had been interviewed in the past, has been hunting
Speaker 2: with his son and this was a semi automatic rifle
Speaker 2: that he used in the shooting, has been charged with
Speaker 2: four counts of involuntary manslaughter two counts of second degree
Speaker 2: murder as he allowed his son to possess a weapon.
Speaker 2: He faces ten to thirty years in prison. And his
Speaker 2: son went into school and he killed two teachers and
Speaker 2: he killed two fellow students. Now there's a history here, right.
Speaker 2: We have seen this prior where parents have gone to
Speaker 2: jail because they've ignored the warning signs of their son.
Speaker 2: And the case prior before this, I believe it was
Speaker 2: in Michigan, the parents were just absolutely freaking stupid, I
Speaker 2: mean absolute morons, just morons where the school talked to them.
Speaker 2: The school said there's a problem here, and they said, no,
Speaker 2: no problem, no, no, no, no, nothing to see here.
Speaker 2: This case is no pun intendent here. But there is
Speaker 2: a gray area because I know a lot of people
Speaker 2: that hunt, you know, and they hunt with their kids
Speaker 2: who are fourteen, fifteen, sixteen years old, and they're all
Speaker 2: very responsible gun owners. There seems to be some conflicting
Speaker 2: reports or they can't really nail down that there had
Speaker 2: been warning signs from Colchray in the past, that there
Speaker 2: may have been some sort of threat that was posted
Speaker 2: on some I don't get this stuff, some sort of
Speaker 2: video game and they couldn't determine if it was from
Speaker 2: him or not. And he had denied it, so they
Speaker 2: couldn't nail him down on that. But what do you
Speaker 2: think at six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty
Speaker 2: should the father of this young man go to jail?
Speaker 2: Now the parents are divorced, so I don't know if
Speaker 2: he is living with the father or the mother, but
Speaker 2: they look upon the father as being responsible for allowing
Speaker 2: his fourteen year old son to have a weapon that
Speaker 2: he took to school and he killed four people with.
Speaker 2: We are in desperate times with this, desperate times because
Speaker 2: if you had said to me, you know, ten years
Speaker 2: ago or something that, well, if a kid, a teenager
Speaker 2: committed murder, the father would go to jail. Two of
Speaker 2: the parents, I would say, wait a minute, that's the
Speaker 2: parent's not responsible for it. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if there was a problem with the upbringing and so forth,
Speaker 2: but the parent didn't commit the crime. But now, because
Speaker 2: this has become so outrageously common in America, where other
Speaker 2: countries look at America and they go, you are crazy,
Speaker 2: and nothing happens with gun and control, nothing ever, changes
Speaker 2: were totally numb to it. It is mind boggling. So
Speaker 2: what would you do at six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Should the father go to jail? Should Colin Gray,
Speaker 2: the father of Cochray, should he go to jail for
Speaker 2: allowing his son to possess a semi automatic weapon. A
Speaker 2: semi automatic weapon where it's very easy to repeat the
Speaker 2: button or the trigger, it's not an automatic. I've had
Speaker 2: debates with gun with NRA people about this. With the
Speaker 2: automatic weapons, you just hold the trigger and it fires
Speaker 2: off sixty rounds. There are semi semi semi automatic weapons
Speaker 2: like AR fifteens, and I don't know if that was
Speaker 2: the case here because I have not seen it in
Speaker 2: a report. I've just heard that it was a semi
Speaker 2: automatic weapon or AR fifteens are considered, say, semi automatic weapons,
Speaker 2: but they're basically a machine gun. There's no there's no
Speaker 2: reason that somebody can go in and buy a machine gun. Look,
Speaker 2: I'm all for gun rights. I'm all for hunting, right
Speaker 2: to bear arms, but I can't understand why anybody needs
Speaker 2: selling a machine gun. That's where I kind of say, okay,
Speaker 2: enough's enough here, you know, And an AR fifteen, as
Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, as a machine gun, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I just think it is so do I need to
Speaker 2: go hunting with something that could fire off sixty rounds
Speaker 2: a minute, or forty rounds a minute, or thirty rounds
Speaker 2: a minute, no matter what it is, Do I need
Speaker 2: to do that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I don't, is the answer. Desperate times. I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is going to work. I really don't know
Speaker 2: by putting the parents of the kids who are responsible
Speaker 2: for school shootings in jail, but that's how desperate we are.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, that's how desperate we are right now to
Speaker 2: fix this. The bottom line is, a fourteen year old
Speaker 2: shouldn't be able to go in and get a weapon
Speaker 2: and get a gun and take it to school. It
Speaker 2: should be under lock and key, and the parents should
Speaker 2: hold the key. I think that that is common sense
Speaker 2: because one of the things that I would worry about
Speaker 2: if I was a gun owner, which I'm not, and
Speaker 2: I took my kids hunting, is what about their friends. No,
Speaker 2: that has happened in the past. Kids come over, they want, hey,
Speaker 2: let me show you my dad's gun. Something happens, boom, tragedy.
Speaker 2: That's what I would be concerned with. I don't want
Speaker 2: any of his friends around it. I don't want anybody
Speaker 2: showing off. I don't want anybody saying, hey, let me
Speaker 2: look at dad's gun. I don't want that. That's the problem.
Speaker 2: So while I can appreciate families that hunt and are
Speaker 2: responsible gun owners, and there are children, well they're not
Speaker 2: even children anymore. There are young people, teenagers that are
Speaker 2: fourteen and fifteen to sixteen years old, that are a
Speaker 2: responsible gun owner and handle weapons. I understand that they
Speaker 2: go hunting, they go out with the family, they hunting.
Speaker 2: It's fine, but it has to be under lock and
Speaker 2: key so that a teenager cannot go in and get
Speaker 2: the gun on his or her own. I think that
Speaker 2: that's common sense, don't you think people, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: common sense right there, because I'll tell you right now,
Speaker 2: this father is going to get convicted.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: He did. He was interviewed in the past and the father,
Speaker 2: Colin Gray, said, my son is a responsible gun owner.
Speaker 2: He understands weapons, and he probably at the time he
Speaker 2: probably was and the father took him to the range,
Speaker 2: and the father took him hunting and instructed him how
Speaker 2: to properly handle weapon, handle a weapon. But he also
Speaker 2: wasn't aware of the mental health issues that his son
Speaker 2: obviously had and was suffering because his parents were getting
Speaker 2: a divorce. The bottom line is teenagers should not have
Speaker 2: access to weapons. And now see, you know you gotta
Speaker 2: if you're gonna go hunting with your father, you're gonna
Speaker 2: go hunting with your mother. You know, you get adult around, fine,
Speaker 2: but you cannot allow children that can go to school
Speaker 2: and take a weapon to school to have access to
Speaker 2: a weapon or a gun. And that's why this father
Speaker 2: in Colin Gray is gonna go to jail. He's definitely
Speaker 2: going to jail. There's no way he gets out of this.
Speaker 2: I don't see it. I mean, there's the ramifications that
Speaker 2: just to dire completely. I don't know how you feel
Speaker 2: about this. At six, one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Coming up at eleven o'clock. Oh, we'll just get a
Speaker 2: little bit lighter talk, a little football talk, a little
Speaker 2: little Patriots Nicole Gang right here on WBZ Boston's Radio.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Night Side Studios on WBZ News.
Speaker 2: Yo, Big show coming up tomorrow night, Big show, people
Speaker 2: gonna be big. Did I mention it was going to
Speaker 2: be big? Gonna be a big show? Now we do
Speaker 2: know that ABC It's got a special twenty twenty coming
Speaker 2: up tomorrow night and the Karen Reid case, right, so
Speaker 2: we are also going to talk about that once we've
Speaker 2: had a chance to see what's going on in television.
Speaker 2: We'll be joined in the ten o'clock hour by Bob
Speaker 2: George and Bill Kickham, attorneys, and they are going to
Speaker 2: give us their insight on what Karen Reid had to
Speaker 2: say in the twenty twenty interview. So immediately we'll be
Speaker 2: breaking it down for you right here on WBC. Fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: And what I thought of is there is no way
Speaker 2: a member of the jury in her next trial is
Speaker 2: not going to see this, right, I mean, this is
Speaker 2: gonna be all over the place. It's gonna be We're
Speaker 2: gonna be obviously playing various segments of the interview here
Speaker 2: on WBZ and ABC affiliate ABC Radio Afila. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be all over the place. It's gonna be on the web,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a television, it's gonna be on the radio.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be on satellite radio. It's gonna be on
Speaker 2: the old I g hell, it might even make TikTok.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be everywhere. So if you're gonna be a
Speaker 2: member of the jury, or you're gonna say that, Oh no,
Speaker 2: I never saw that, Karen read interview. You're kidding me.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: From what I've told this was recorded prior to the trial,
Speaker 2: which I don't understand. Why did they wait so long
Speaker 2: to run this thing? I don't know. Maybe that was
Speaker 2: part of the agreement with the legal team at the time.
Speaker 2: That's something we'll talk to Bill and Bob our attorneys
Speaker 2: about tomorrow. Coming up at ten o'clock right here on
Speaker 2: WBZ Boston's news Radio, the upcoming foot all season well
Speaker 2: for the New England Patriots. It's uh, well, you know,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. I was asked to make
Speaker 2: a prediction the other day. I said, I don't know,
Speaker 2: and I you know, I did sports forever, as you know,
Speaker 2: and after a while you just get tired of predictions.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm done with the whole prediction thing, because
Speaker 2: it's all a crapshoot. If you make a prediction, whether
Speaker 2: it's politics, current events, an election, sports, and you back
Speaker 2: three hundred, which is three out of ten, folks, Just
Speaker 2: to remind you, if you do that, you're doing well,
Speaker 2: which means you're wrong seventy percent of the time. When
Speaker 2: I did sports radio. That's what I used to tell people.
Speaker 2: I go, We're wrong at least at least seventy percent
Speaker 2: of the time. It doesn't matter. Nobody cares at sports.
Speaker 2: Who cares? All sports fans in this town's care. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you that right I will tell you that right now.
Speaker 2: They care. But what I'm interested to see is how
Speaker 2: passionate the Patriots fans remain. Now. I do think there's
Speaker 2: gonna be There'll definitely be a drop in attendance. There
Speaker 2: will be because going to a football game in Foxborough,
Speaker 2: which listen, I worked there for a long time. I
Speaker 2: loved it, going to Jillette Stadium. But when they're not winning,
Speaker 2: to take the whole day, tailgate, go down, come back, sitting, traffic,
Speaker 2: it's a lot. When you have Tom Brady as your
Speaker 2: quarterback and you're winning Super Bowls, people absolutely love it.
Speaker 2: So I definitely think you're going to see thinning crowds.
Speaker 2: What about the passion? Will people get angry? That's what
Speaker 2: I wonder. People used to get angry about the Red Sox.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure people will get angry about the Patriots.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a lot of anger left
Speaker 2: when it comes to sports anymore. I think the younger
Speaker 2: generation generate though, the Y gen, I think when it
Speaker 2: comes to sports, I don't think they get pissed off
Speaker 2: the way we used to. They're ruining nas samma, you
Speaker 2: know that whole stick. I don't think they do good
Speaker 2: for them. They're probably a little more mature than the
Speaker 2: rest of us. They're two into the gambling thing, which
Speaker 2: that you know, that's a whole other thing that we
Speaker 2: never dealt with. I mean, there's so many ways for
Speaker 2: the newer generations to consume and participate in sports, whether
Speaker 2: it's gambling, whether it's fantasy, whether it's having some you know,
Speaker 2: a phone in your hand. As Christy Cashman mentioned, you
Speaker 2: sit down and watch TV. Does anybody put down their phone?
Speaker 2: I do because I want to focus on what I'm doing,
Speaker 2: you know, I love what I still love watching TV
Speaker 2: or content or streaming or whatever you want to call
Speaker 2: it now, but I'll put on my phone. But most
Speaker 2: people don't. They keep their phone going. They're watching the game,
Speaker 2: they're checking their fantasy score, they're checking their gambling, they're
Speaker 2: checking how they doing, how they looking on DraftKings, you know,
Speaker 2: how's it going. So that's a whole new way of
Speaker 2: conser and I think because there are so many distractions
Speaker 2: which sports now, you don't really have time to get
Speaker 2: pissed off. I mean, if you were just watching the game, right,
Speaker 2: if you're just watching the game, by the way, Kansas
Speaker 2: City leads Baltimore twenty ten in the third quarter. If
Speaker 2: you're just watching the game and somebody fumbles on the
Speaker 2: goal line, or you know, you're the Patriots losing the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl fifty five to ten to the Chicago Bears
Speaker 2: or what have you, then you get pissed off, right
Speaker 2: when you see a bad play, the ball goes through
Speaker 2: Buckner's legs, somebody gets thrown out a home the Celtics
Speaker 2: lose to the Lakers in the NBA Championship, the Bruins
Speaker 2: lose to you know, then you can focus on it.
Speaker 2: But now when something goes wrong with your team, you
Speaker 2: just go, Ah, what's going on on my phone? What's
Speaker 2: happening in the other games? I could still win their
Speaker 2: fantasy My team's getting their ass kicked, you know what.
Speaker 2: Jakobe Brissetts through three picks, the Patriots are down twenty
Speaker 2: four zip. It's only the second quarterback. I'll watch fantasy
Speaker 2: I'll go check my fantasy team. That never happened with us.
Speaker 2: We were too busy throwing our shoe through the TV screen.
Speaker 2: I'll go look at Fantasy Plus. Also the NFL. I
Speaker 2: remember growing up because the Patriots in the sixties weren't
Speaker 2: very good. So this was giant country, as people know.
Speaker 2: But friends of mine were Steelers fans. I was a
Speaker 2: Cowboys fan. For a while. People rooted for the Niners,
Speaker 2: people rooted for winners in the NFL, and people started
Speaker 2: to root for the Patriots when they became winners big time.
Speaker 2: Will that continue or is it just too simple to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna watch Patrick Mahomes Quite frankly,
Speaker 2: that's what I do. Look, the Patriots had a phenomenal run.
Speaker 2: It's a terrific team, It's a terrific organization. They have
Speaker 2: tremendous ownership. I love the craft family They've done. You
Speaker 2: cannot ask for anything more from an owner. What the
Speaker 2: Crafts have done with the Patriots. You can't ask. Even
Speaker 2: if the next ten years the Patriots sucked layoff, lay off,
Speaker 2: you can't ask the Red Sox aren't spending any money. Oh,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can get mad at them. But with
Speaker 2: the Pats, no way. But I don't know if anybody
Speaker 2: will be angry. See that's just me. But will people
Speaker 2: be angry if Mayo struggles his first two years? Are
Speaker 2: people going to be calling for his head? Look, Jacoby
Speaker 2: Brissett is a placeholder. Jacoby Brissett is right there so
Speaker 2: the draft pick doesn't get his head knocked in. And
Speaker 2: I'm concerned for Jacoby Brissette's health because they have no
Speaker 2: offensive line at all, and they are going he is
Speaker 2: going to be running for his life. He is going
Speaker 2: to earn his money. I will tell you that right now.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. He's going to be earning
Speaker 2: as dough. So I think in the NF well, I
Speaker 2: don't think people are gonna get angry that they don't
Speaker 2: get angry at the Patriots. They go, I'll watch Kansas City,
Speaker 2: or I'll watch Baltimore, or I'm gonna see what Rabel's
Speaker 2: doing with the Chargers, or I'll you know, I'll watch
Speaker 2: this team. I watch it now. I don't think anybody
Speaker 2: I am curious to see what happens with the Jets
Speaker 2: because I have some friends of mine that are just
Speaker 2: Jets fans, and they have added they have led a
Speaker 2: miserable life. They have. Now, if you know Rogers stays healthy,
Speaker 2: they should be able to do something. You just got
Speaker 2: to keep that guy up right. Hopefully he doesn't get COVID.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a little hanging fruit. That was just
Speaker 2: way too easy. That was just wait, that was just Garrett.
Speaker 2: That was just unfair. That's just well when it comes
Speaker 2: to Aaron Rodgers, what a nut job. But we know
Speaker 2: the Patriots are not going to be good. So I
Speaker 2: will say this. I can't believe I'm saying it, but
Speaker 2: I will say I hope the Jets are good. I
Speaker 2: think the Jet fans deserve it. I think it'll make
Speaker 2: it more interesting in the AFC East. Give Buffalo a
Speaker 2: run for their money, and the Giants sucks. So though
Speaker 2: I am rooting for the Giants coaching staff, I really
Speaker 2: am bright. I think he's I feel bad. I thought,
Speaker 2: remember the Giants went out and I think when he
Speaker 2: his first year they went like six in a row.
Speaker 2: I thought he was really going to rebuild the Giants
Speaker 2: and it just hasn't worked out for them. All Right,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk Patriots. Nicole Gang joins us next
Speaker 2: from the Boston Globe, right here on wbz's night side