1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Because we talk about it even came up in our 2 00:00:01,879 --> 00:00:05,120 conversation with Cammy Nicks. We talk on the show a 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,400 lot about AI and AI and music, and so this 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,000 relates very directly to that. This is from the BBC 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:18,199 AI claims and a hoax spokesman. Viral band confuses the 6 00:00:18,199 --> 00:00:21,960 world of music. So there's this viral band. This band 7 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:26,640 is AI generated. Check this out. So a band called 8 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:30,640 The Velvet Sundown has had its tracks played hundreds of 9 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:33,960 thousands of times on Spotify since appearing several weeks ago, 10 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,399 without anyone knowing for sure what it is. The band 11 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,000 has a verified page on the music streaming platform with 12 00:00:40,079 --> 00:00:44,640 more than eight hundred and fifty thousand monthly listeners. That's 13 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:48,520 a hit. However, none of the four named musicians in 14 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,840 the band have given any interviews or appear to have 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,119 individual social media accounts, and there are no records of 16 00:00:55,159 --> 00:01:00,600 any live performances. It is prompted accusations that they and 17 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:06,000 their music are AI generated, something the band deny. Something 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:11,200 the band denies on social media, uh not on camera, 19 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:14,319 and the band did not respond to the BBC's request 20 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:17,519 for an interview. This is kind of funny. I mean, 21 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,319 it's it's scary, but it's kind of funny at the 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,760 same time. UH. Further confusing the story, Rolling Stone reported 23 00:01:24,799 --> 00:01:28,879 that the band spokesman had admitted the Velvet Sundowns music 24 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,079 had been generated using an AI tool called care to 25 00:01:34,159 --> 00:01:40,560 Guess Studio or the one the one We've used, only 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:45,359 for the magazine to to report shortly afterwards that the 27 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:47,799 spokesman was himself a hoax. 28 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: The spokesman was AI too. Yes, oh, I missed that part. 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,599 Speaker 1: The man who goes by the name of Andrew Freelan 30 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:00,439 UH said it was a deliberate plot to hoax the media. 31 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:03,680 A statement on the band Spotify page said that the 32 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,519 group has quote no affiliation with this individual nor any 33 00:02:07,519 --> 00:02:11,759 evidence confirming their identity or existence unquote. An account on 34 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,680 x which claims to be the band's official channel is 35 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:19,240 also fake, it added. Professor Gina Neff from the Mindero 36 00:02:20,039 --> 00:02:25,479 or Mindaru Center for Technology and Democracy. Let's go with 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,439 MINDERU because that's fun to say at the University of 38 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,840 Cambridge says it points to a problem which affects much 39 00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:35,080 more than just one band. She said, quote whether this 40 00:02:35,159 --> 00:02:39,080 is an AI band may not seem important, but increasingly 41 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,039 our collective grip on reality seems shaky. The Velvet Sundown 42 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,479 story plays into the fears we have of losing control 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,319 of AI and shows how important protecting online information is. Unquote. 44 00:02:53,159 --> 00:02:57,120 The Velvet sundowns indie ballads with guitar music and male 45 00:02:57,199 --> 00:03:03,280 vocals is fairly easy. If bland on the ear with 46 00:03:03,479 --> 00:03:08,319 lyrics such as eyes like film in faded light dreams, 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,680 walk barefoot into the night, ash and velvet smoke and 48 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:18,759 flame calling out in Freedom's name, it could all feasibly 49 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,520 be either AI generated or penned by humans. Uh yeah, do. 50 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: You remember that happened with me recently? Yah AI band. 51 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:35,479 Speaker 1: An AI band contacted you, well, were contact contacted them? 52 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 3: The name is Interfery, Yes, And I really liked the 53 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:42,280 music and thought, oh, these guys are great. 54 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: I'd love to have them on. 55 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,879 Speaker 3: And then I come to find out they are the 56 00:03:45,919 --> 00:03:49,639 creation of one human who created these other humans that 57 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,960 are not human. They are AI, and the whole band 58 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,759 is is Yeah, his his musical creation. But in this 59 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,560 instance is a big difference because he said every single 60 00:04:02,639 --> 00:04:07,520 lyric has been written by him. Yeah, for this particular band, Interfury. 61 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,960 So I don't know about the other person, but I 62 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:13,599 know that all the lyrics to this particular music is 63 00:04:13,919 --> 00:04:15,560 claimed to have been written by the artist. 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: Let's see so they have, as I just looked up 65 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,480 on YouTube. I want to I want to check out 66 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,199 the music of the Velvet Sundown. They have a Velvet 67 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,879 Sundown song called dust on the Wind. Not dust in 68 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:34,480 the Wind, that's that's Kansas. This is dust on the winding. 69 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,759 Let's uh, I want to hear this and just see 70 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:41,560 what it's like. Uh, here we go. Oh, it's got 71 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,319 to get through these commercials. It is uh, it is 72 00:04:44,439 --> 00:04:49,680 monetized content. Let's see dust on the wind. 73 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: Say that's pretty smart. 74 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:08,759 Speaker 4: Dust on the wind, boots on the ground, smoking the sky, 75 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,800 no peace found, rivers run red the drums. 76 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: We also. 77 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:21,959 Speaker 1: Tell me, brother, where do we go? 78 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:35,639 Speaker 4: Raise your hand, doll away, sing out loud, May gumpay, march, hope, peace, 79 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:42,160 nine for pride, Let that flya turn. 80 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,079 Speaker 2: With the tide. 81 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: M hm, well it sounds like very pro war. Let's fly. 82 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:05,079 You think it's a mom praise well, young man, sounds 83 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,279 like it. Yeah, it's it sounds like it's we we 84 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:15,360 still got time to make a stand God time. It's 85 00:06:15,399 --> 00:06:17,720 a it's a lyric video that I'm playing it from 86 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,519 That's why the lyrics. 87 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 4: Look away saying down now, make. 88 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:28,759 Speaker 2: Much foppy. 89 00:06:30,959 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Proud that fast. 90 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: Turn the time. 91 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: I gotta say, I love this AI generated voice. It's 92 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:43,279 a good voice. 93 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of an issue. 94 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 3: Because all the ones I've heard so far, but actually 95 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:52,399 really good. So that's that's kind of follows. Oh yeah, yeah, 96 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:54,439 I want to I just want to know what is 97 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:55,560 AI and what is human? 98 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:57,519 Speaker 2: That's what I want to know. 99 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 3: I think you should be a little disclaimer or something. Yeah, 100 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,959 like this is my creation, but the band is magic. 101 00:07:05,879 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: The Velvet Sundown. I'm curious if I can find anything 102 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:09,639 else of there here. 103 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,399 Speaker 2: So you should check out that interfury one. 104 00:07:15,759 --> 00:07:16,879 Speaker 1: Yeah no, you showed me that. 105 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,519 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh yeah I did show it too. 106 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,839 Speaker 1: Oh they've got a whole album called Dust and. 107 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: Silence, Dust and Silence. 108 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see. 109 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: This was the song though, wasn't it dust on the Wind? 110 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:29,319 Speaker 2: On the Wind? 111 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: This one's called let It Burn. 112 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:52,839 Speaker 4: Flicker lights sound, silver sad marchingles with no command, velvet boots, 113 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,319 some mirrored round. 114 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,879 Speaker 2: Drums of thunder, distance. 115 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: Promises instatic. Yeah, I mean it is a little bland, 116 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:17,480 but all right there it is the world radio premiere 117 00:08:17,519 --> 00:08:26,519 of The Velvet Sundown. These I'm looking at these song titles. 118 00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:30,439 I'm looking at these song titles and the titles like 119 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:37,159 Driftwood Soldiers, where War Remains. Oh yeah, this is all 120 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:44,320 there seems to be a theme, war Debt, Crimson Parade. 121 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 2: Oh it's not a pretty image. 122 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: Hm hmm. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff in the 123 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,320 lyrics about waving flags and maybe the person making people pay, 124 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:56,320 the person. 125 00:08:56,039 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: Created maybe be a veteran. Maybe do we know anything 126 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,759 about the creator? 127 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: No, we don't know anything about just that they're not real. 128 00:09:06,279 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: And there and their contact isn't real either, right. 129 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,919 Speaker 1: The spokesperson, the spokesperson was not real because an AI 130 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:18,440 generated picture of them of the band. 131 00:09:20,159 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: They saw that when I was looking at it. 132 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: They look like, uh, but the. 133 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 3: One yes, but you can tell like at least the 134 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,919 one on the right hand side looked like he was AI. 135 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 136 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,519 Speaker 2: They kind of doesn't look like he's not a I. 137 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:34,759 Speaker 1: They kind of look fake. Yeah. 138 00:09:34,919 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, that's where we are. Now. 139 00:09:39,759 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: There you go, There you go.