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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Nadine Smith. Nadine,

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Welcome to the show. Hi, Hi, thanks so much for

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being here. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: No, it's okay. I mean you were very helpful to me,

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so I just wanted to repay the favor and maybe

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share a story to help people.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for wanting to repay me, but you don't know

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me anything. That's what I'm here for and that's what

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I love doing. Nadine, please give us a brief bio

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on yourself.

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Speaker 3: Well, now, I am a paranormal investigator. We have a

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team called Black Swamp Paranormal of Northwest Ohio and we've

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been doing it for about eleven years. But prior to that,

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I basically just your average normal person, married kids, you know, average.

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Speaker 2: Average person who hunts ghosts. Was that a hard one

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to explain to your kids or was it pretty easy?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: We were armchair paranormal investigators for years. We started watching

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Oh what was it? Called Taps with Jason Hawes on it.

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So the kids actually one of them goes with us.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, really, I bet you never would have imagined

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that when you watched them on TV.

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Speaker 3: No, but the one really, the one really likes it

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and the other one doesn't. They're kind of afraid of it.

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So they babysit the dogs so we can go out

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of town.

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Speaker 2: Well, sounds like it still works out well for you.

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Speaker 3: It does. It's a pretty nice setup.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it is a lot of dogmen ee

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witnesses have a history of paranormal experiences for the other

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dog man encounters that is, Is that how it was

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with you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I've had paranormal experiences almost all my life. I remember,

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going back to twelve, I had things that were happening,

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you know, ghosts. I saw Bigfoot, We've seen UFOs. So yeah,

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pretty much.

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Speaker 2: So you had par normal experiences before you had your

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dog meeting encounters. But did you decide to start hunting

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ghosts after you had your first dog Meean encounter? Did

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that first dog mean encounter somehow, some way cause you

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to start ghost hunting?

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Speaker 3: No? Actually it terrified me, and for a while I

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think I pushed it out of you know, my memory,

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because I hadn't remembered it until I saw a movie.

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It was a werewolf movie, and I started having nightmares.

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So no, I wouldn't say that it did that. I'd

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say did the exact opposite. It terrified me so badly.

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I just couldn't process it.

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Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell you again. I'm so

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sorry that you had to have all these experiences. But

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of course that one encounter was a lot more traumatic

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than the others. Yes, just not fear. Anyone has to

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deal with that. Life is difficult enough as it is.

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If you throw dog man encounters on top of that

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is just too much, it really is. Do you think

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there's a connection between dogmen and the paranormal because some

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people do.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting you asked that. I'm reading a book called

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the Nephelom. I think that there's a lot of connections.

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Not a lot of people believe it, but I do.

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I think that. I think a lot of the cryptids

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might be Nephelum, and it just kind of intrigues me.

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So yeah, I do. I think there's I think they

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are related.

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Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I don't think all

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dog men have paranormal origins. I think some do, but

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not all. But when I started doing this years ago,

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I thought that all dog men were just flesh and

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blood creatures out there in the woods trying to scratch

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out a living. But after you talk with so many

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credible eyewitnesses that report witnessing things that the only sensible

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way to explain their experience would that they had a

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pure normal type experience with some kind of a being

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that looked like a dog man, or this dog mean

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they encountered was a spiritual being. In other words, it's

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just funny how your puradigm change is over time when

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you're exposed to so many outwitnesses talking about different aspects

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that they experienced when they have encounters with these things.

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Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I don't think like I've

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encountered three of them. One was in Fort Campbell, that

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was the one we talked about. One was down in Louisiana.

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I saw it from a pontoon boat when we were

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out renting a pontoon boat, and I saw it standing

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on the banks. And that was down in Louisiana. And

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then the other one was here in Ohio. But the

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one that was the worst of them was in Kentucky

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that was really bad.

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Speaker 2: This is probably going to be a difficult question. If

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these dog men that you encountered weren't paranormal in origin,

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in other words, spiritual beings, supernatural entities, then how could

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you explain having four encounters in four totally different places.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can. I think that there's people

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that believe, like with Bigfoot, that they can they're interdimensional

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or something, because they've seen them like disappear as they're walking,

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and I think that it's possible that they have the

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ability to appear wherever they want. To be totally honest

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with you, but that's just my opinion.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right about that. It's hard to

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look at all the evidence and disagree with what you said.

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It really is looking at the fact that it's so

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hard to explain your experiences away as being not related

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to the paranormal. Does that make your encounters with dogmen

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that much more difficult to deal with or does it

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not have that much of an effect on it.

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Speaker 3: Oh? No, it's extremely difficult to deal with because if

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it was just a physical animal, it would be one thing.

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You know, Like my husband went out one night when

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I saw it watching us from the tree line, and

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he took a gun out, and I was absolutely terrified

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because I told him that that's not going to make

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a difference, and he basically he said, no, stay here.

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He thought I was being kind of overreacting, and he

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went out and it just disappeared closer he got, it

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just vanished, you know. And then there's no way a

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real animal can do that. So I mean, how do

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you fight something that has no I don't know, weaknesses

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or or rules.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. There's no way, too. They've got every advantage.

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That one encounter that you had that was so over

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the top traumatic it caused you to move. You decided

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to move. Did moving help the trauma that you felt

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back then as much as you hoped it would?

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Speaker 3: I thought it did? I mean it when I thought

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it was just something specific to that area, Yes, it,

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you know, because we left. We just literally left and

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left some of our belongings in that place we lived

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because it was getting dark and we were scared, so

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we just we left it. We left a lot of

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stuff there. Later, when I found out that these things

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are everywhere, not so much, and that would be when

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it started to get to be a problem for me.

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And then I heard about your show and I started

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listening to it, and that's about time when I called you,

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because it was really getting hard for me to deal

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with it, because if they could be anywhere, then how

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was I safe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as far as your safety goes, that lies

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with them. The fact that you had all these encounters

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but never got hurt. That's because they didn't want to

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hurt you. And thank goodness for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. You had said something to

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me when we had talked, and honestly, it was the

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first time anyone had ever said that to me, you know.

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But did it actually hurt you? And it didn't, And

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come to think of it, it didn't hurt any of the

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people that it scared out of that area, that place

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where we lived. It's like it lived off of fear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a recurring theme. You hear it all the

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time amongst eye witnesses, and that knowledge right there. Okay,

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this dog man, or in your case, these dog men

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had every advantage. They could have harmed me if they

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wanted to so easily, but they never did. That knowledge

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right there works wonders when it comes to coming to

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terms with a dog mean encounter. So I'm so glad

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you know that, Thank goodness.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh definitely. I mean because it was when you

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think about it, when you get something that's about seven

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feet tall standing outside your window and you're living in

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a mobile home and all you have is those panes

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of glass. Have you ever seen the panes of glass

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on mobile home windows? They're really cheap, and that's all

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that's between you and it. So when you come to

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the realization that it's not going to actually physically harm you,

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that does tend to help.

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Speaker 2: Oh definitely, yeah, it makes every difference. It does. All right, Nadine,

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Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we moved to Kentucky. My husband was called

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back into the service for desert storms. So this happened

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back in nineteen ninety one, and back then nobody talked

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about this stuff, and if you did, people thought you

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were crazy. So I really didn't come forward for a

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very long time. But we moved there and the neighbors

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across the fence we were told they did like Santa Ria,

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and at the time I didn't even know what that was.

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we moved in and we would hear things at night

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that we thought were you know, people having domestic arguments,

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a lot of screaming and stuff, and then would move.

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the night. They'd leave and leave everything, and it really

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didn't make a lot of sense to us. So I

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started asking some people about it. And when I first asked,

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I have to admit I am not making fun of

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anyone who has been through this. You need to understand

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that I thought it was a joke. I thought these

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people were out of their mind because I came from

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that train of thought where you know, there's nothing under

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the bed, you know, nothing's going to harm you, and

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they're telling me that a werewolf came to their house

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and scared their child and tried to get in, and

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then that just I don't know. At first, I thought

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they were crazy, you know. So when we had found

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a dog that was dead, and my husband, I said,

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you know, we really need to bury this dog. So

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we did, and we buried it right next to the

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tree line, and we were told, you know, don't bury

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animals up there, and again I really didn't think much

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of it because I thought, this is just like superstition,

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urban or you know, urban legends, things like that. It's crazy.

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So we buried the dog and the next day the

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hole was empty, and what was particularly odd about it

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was the dog was gone, and so was the dirt.

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know what to think of it. And then after that

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it was a constantly cold spot. Like we would tell

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the neighbors you got to go up and you got it,

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you got to go up and stand there, and they'd

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go up and stand there and it could be like

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ninety degrees and it was cold in that spot all

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the time. And we thought it was cute, you know.

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say this. I started seeing eyes watching me from the

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woods right near that spot. And at first I thought

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it was like, I don't know, a bear or something.

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So I asked my husband what kind of animals live here?

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happening every night, right after dark, I'd see these red

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eyes and it wasn't like they were reflecting. They were

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like glowing red eyes. It was like dark in there,

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and these eyes were just glowing with nothing to reflect

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off of. And it got so bad that I wouldn't

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go out after dark. I was starting to get really scared.

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was wrong was when it stood up. It literally came

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close to the edge of the woods and stood up,

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and I'm looking at this shadow and I'm thinking, I

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don't know how to process this. So I went and

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told my husband about it, and he told me that

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he thought I was being crazy or overreacting because at

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the time I was pregnant, and he told me, no,

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you know that can't be what it is. So he

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went out to the woods one night with I don't know,

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I think it was a thirty thirty, I don't know,

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and he said he was going to prove to me

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that this was nothing. So he started walking up towards

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the woods and this thing he got close, I mean

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probably within ten feet, and it disappeared, and it freaked

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him out a lot. But after that, it started coming

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down to the trailer and it would walk around the

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trailer at night and you would hear it growling and

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you would hear it like running its claws along the

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side of the trailer, and it would stop right out

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in front of our bedroom and it would just stand

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there and it would growl and it would like beat

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on the trailer, and I just, I don't know. I

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wanted to go, I wanted to leave. I was terrified.

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And again he told me he thought I was making

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more out of this. Well, then the day came that

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my very next door neighbor she had to go to

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the emergency room one night and they never came back,

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and someone came and got their furniture. And I remember

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coming home from a doctor's visit and it was broad

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daylight and I'm looking inside a locked mobile home and

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it was standing in there, inside these sliding glass doors,

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and it was just looking at me with those same

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red eyes, and it was as tall as the ceiling

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on this mobile home, and it literally horrified me. And

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I just I didn't know what to do at that point,

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and so I went to the library, and I think

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that librarian thought I was on drugs or needed to be,

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because he, you know, when I told him, when I

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was turning to look up, he kind of looked at

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me with that face and I'm sure people have told

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you about that, where if you try to tell someone,

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they think you're crazy. But there was a guy there,

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a Native American guy, and he showed us some books

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and he told us about skin walkers. So he sent

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us home with books, and me and my girlfriend sat

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around the kitchen table reading all this and that. At

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that point, it just got worse because now I had

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something to think about that could be out there. And

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this was over the span of months this was happening.

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It started in late summer and went all the way

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through after I was no longer pregnant, all the way

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past Christmas, all the way into the following year. It

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was probably May of the following year when we finally

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got out. But in the meantime, my son started having

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nightmares and he would wake up screaming, and we got

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called to the school and my son was drawing pictures

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of a black and brown wolf with long teeth and

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blood on its teeth, and so I went to him

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and I talked to him, and he told me what

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he thought he was seeing. And it literally horrified me

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because now it's going after my kid. I didn't know

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what to do because I couldn't protect my children, so

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I stopped going out after dark. I would lock the doors,

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I wouldn't go anywhere, I wouldn't answer the door. I

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just basically became terrified and I would just stay in

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the house all night, and I would keep the kids

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in the living room and wouldn't let them sleep in

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their bedrooms. And it was it was pretty bad, to

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be honest with you. And when my husband had to

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go out to do military stuff, when they go off

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to go do training, I would have a friend come

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stay with me. But it was getting harder to have

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friends stay with me because things would happen and they

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would get scared. But I think the final straw was

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we were home and my girlfriend was at the house.

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We were watching TV and the house the trailer started shaking.

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And I'm not making this up, I swear to you.

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I would put my hand on a bible literally this

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trailer was shaking. And then she looked out the window

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and it was right there. You could you could see

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it right there. It had the ears that went back,

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it had the teeth. It was like black, and it

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had the glowing red eyes. And the hands looked like

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human hands, but they had claws on them and the

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body looked more like a human body with patchy hair,

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but with a wolf's head on it. And it was

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a shorter snout and the snout didn't have a lot

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of hair on it, but the teeth were huge and

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it was standing out there. And so we called the police,

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and which was the dumbest thing I'd probably ever done.

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And in that time we were on the phone, I

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remember saying to my girlfriend, well, what am I going

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to tell them? They're not going to believe me. And

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I just remember thinking, you know that I was losing

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my mind. And then the door popped open on the trailer.

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It just literally popped open the locked door, which I

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don't understand how that happened. And it horrified me to

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think that it's right outside my door. And I literally thought,

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this is how I'm going to die. And we went

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to the door. We were going to close the door,

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and I remember thinking, this is the dumbest thing I've

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ever done in my life. But I was going to

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close that door and I was going to lock it again.

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And we got over to the door and it was gone,

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and I mean it was it was so nerve wracking

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to live through this, you know, it was just like

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I saw what it did to my neighbor's trailer. It's

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like eight feet up on my neighbor's trailer. It looked

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like someone with a Freddy Krueger hand went down the

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side of their trailer and just ripped right through the metal.

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I mean, it's it was awful. I mean, I just

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I don't. I don't know how I made it through that,

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to be honest with you, I really don't. I remember

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the day we went to move out. I went down

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to government housing and I begged them to bump us

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on the list, and I lied to get in because

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if I told them that we were being terrorized by

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whatever this thing was, they probably would have thought I

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was crazy and put me in a padded room. So

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I was standing there and I told them that someone

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was coming around and harassing us and that we were

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being stocked, which was partially true, and a very nice

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Essex gave up his government housing slot for us so

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we could move, and we moved within three days. And

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on the last day we moved, it was getting dark

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and the silverware and a whole bunch of stuff was

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still there, like the good silverware, and we just got

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in the vehicle and we took the dog, took our kids,

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and we left and we never went back and I

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will never go back there. I don't think I could

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ever go back to Hopkinsville. But that's what happened.

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Speaker 2: Well, Nadine, like I said, it's just not fear. No

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one should have to deal with that. They really shouldn't. Now,

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you said you moved three days after you looked out

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the windowing, you saw it right there looking at you.

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But how far did you move away?

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Speaker 3: I think maybe fifteen miles twenty miles. We moved on

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to a military base. We moved to Fort Campbell, and

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I figured it's guarded, you know, it's got gates, it's

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got to be pretty safe. And I found out about

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a year ago that soldiers at Fort Campbell are reporting

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having run ins with dog men on the back forty

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in the training areas. So it wasn't as safe as

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I thought.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they sure are. Yeah, encounters have been reported there. Unfortunately,

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when you moved fifteen miles away. Of course, it's a

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military base, so you're going to think there's going to

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be security that comes along with that. But did you

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have any misgivings with that? Okay, we're only moving fifteen

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miles away, that's not nearly far enough.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I just somehow. I don't know.

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I guess I forgot about it, or I just pushed

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it back after we moved. I guess it was a

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couple months later. I just my husband said, I stopped

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talking about it, and I didn't really remember it for

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the longest time until we we were watching a werewolf

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movie of some kind. I can't remember what it was,

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and it was it was pretty bad and it scared

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me and I started having nightmares and I remembered it.

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And I don't know how the human mind works like that.

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I don't know how I did that, how I could

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forget it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the mind is an amazing thing. Sometimes you disassociate

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yourself from traumatic experiences because that's the easiest way to

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cope with a traumatic experience. Some people would do that.

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Some people's minds don't work that way, so you never

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really know. You don't. It seems like you're doing much

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better than you were, Nadine. But present day, where are

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you at with all this?

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Speaker 3: Geographically? I'm in Ohio, which is not a great place

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to be because we have we had the defiance dog

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man in nineteen seventy two, and so we do have

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sightings around here, but I stay out of the woods still.

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I live in the suburbs because I am so afraid

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to be near the woods that I don't ever want

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to live any place where you've got lots of trees

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and stuff around me. But having said that, I think

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I'm doing a lot better than where I was two

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years ago, because I can go out at night, and

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I actually went on a ghost hunt where we were

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in a heavily wooded area and there was nothing for

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miles around, and I was okay. For the first time

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in a long time, I could. I was walking around

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in a field surrounded my woods, and I was kind

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of shocked by that.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's impressive, I'd say, you are doing better, But

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you're on a ghost hunt that night. Were you paying

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more attention to trying to look for ghosts or were

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you still on the lookout for dog men more than

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anything else.

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. Actually there were foxes there and there

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were all these little eyes because there were foxes, and

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we took beef jerky and we were feeding the foxes

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beef jerkey. So no, I wasn't looking for dog man.

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I was looking for foxes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, foxes in Ohio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, thank goodness, that's what it was that you

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were looking at instead of something else much worse.

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Speaker 3: Huh, it could have been. But only place in Ohio

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I've ever encountered a dog man was at Prospect Place

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in Trinway, Ohio. And there again we're talking about a

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spiritual being because there were five of us there, no six,

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there were six of us there, and we had to

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fend our cameras up because we were ghost hunting, and

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we had them pointing out towards the tree line, and

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the what do you call those motion sensor lights they

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came on and they stayed on for forty five minutes

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and there was no one outside. So my husband went

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out to look and he couldn't see anything, but we

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could see on the defender cam that it was just

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past the fence line, standing in the trees. But he

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said he couldn't see any physical being out there at

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the time, so that was kind of freaky. And there

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were a bunch of orby kind of lights that came

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with it. They were like white, big bright orb lights

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and then as soon as it disappeared, the orbs disappeared.

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Speaker 2: I bet that got his motor running seeing all that.

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Speaker 3: Well, he didn't see anything, he saw nothing. There were

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five of us inside, he was outside, he saw nothing.

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But on the camera we were looking at just massive

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numbers of floating lights. And then out at the tree

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you could see the two eyes and it was standing

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there watching us, and he saw nothing. And then when

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we went to look at the recording later, the camera

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had a malfunction and it didn't record anything at that point.

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So I believe it's I do believe it's a spiritual thing.

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I think it can cause just like ghosts. I think

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it can cause malfunctions on your cameras.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't put it past them. Yeah, I'm sure

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they can do that. There's a lot of evidence pointing

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towards that being a reality. Unfortunately, now there is what

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your husband tells you he thinks about your dog, meaning encounters,

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and then there's what you think he thinks about your dog,

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mean encounters. The man watched one vanish right in front

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of his very eyes. But with that in mind, some

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people have experiences like that and they still explain them

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away because they just don't want to believe what their

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eyes have shown them. Do you think he believes you

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when it all comes down to it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I know he does, because on national television he

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told people that he has seen things he can't explain,

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and he cannot explain what happened there. He doesn't know

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and there's no logical explanation for anything that happened there.

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And I think on some level it scared him.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah. Most of the true

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skeptics like your husband are skeptical to the point that

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they are because in a lot of cases, they just

479
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can't handle seeing things like that. They can't handle the

480
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,200
reality that there are so many things about this world

481
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,240
that you just can't simply explain away. So I'll bet

482
00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:54,240
it was hard on him.

483
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,759
Speaker 3: I would agree with that, because he does take it seriously. Now.

484
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,119
I mean, he did go out when we were a

485
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,200
prospect case to look for it, which I thought was

486
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,079
incredibly stupid. But I mean, we all saw it, but

487
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,640
he went out with a loaded weapon to look for

488
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,920
it because he didn't want anyone to get harmed, which

489
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880
I guess there's a fine line between bravery and the

490
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,720
other thing. But he didn't see anything.

491
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing. I'm glad he didn't. The

492
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:34,640
night that that dogged man disappeared vanish stright in front

493
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640
of him. When he said, right in front of him?

494
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,039
How close do you mean?

495
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: He was about ten feet from it. It was no

496
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,359
more than ten feet because he was almost up to

497
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,720
the tree line when it happened.

498
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: Wow, ten feet away. Like I talked about his psychological makeup,

499
00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:55,440
he's not the kind of person to normally deal with

500
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,559
an encounter, especially one like that that's that close very

501
00:32:58,599 --> 00:33:01,640
well at all. How much of a an impact did

502
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,880
that encounter have on him?

503
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:07,039
Speaker 3: It spooked him? I mean he came back and he

504
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:10,559
didn't say anything. He just came in the house and

505
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,279
he sat down, he put his gun away, and he

506
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,920
didn't say a lot. And then I had to actually

507
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,559
ask him what happened, and he didn't really say a

508
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:27,359
whole lot about it. He just said he got up there,

509
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:34,279
it stood up, and then it disappeared, and he didn't

510
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,119
say anything else. But I'm pretty sure he was. I

511
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,599
know he was freaked out because he was just too quiet.

512
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure he was. Yeah, probably more so than

513
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,160
you're ever going to know now after having that experience,

514
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,279
did that frighten him out of the woods for a time,

515
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,640
or was it business as usual?

516
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: He actually didn't go back into the woods because that

517
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720
area where we had been seeing it, there are caves

518
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,759
and they would go three of them. Him and two

519
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:11,000
of his friends would go into the caves and they

520
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,199
would try and go as far back as they could,

521
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,480
and he stopped. He didn't go back anymore.

522
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. It affected him that way, and I'm

523
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,039
also glad he listened to his inner voice. Always recommend

524
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:28,159
that you do that. It's always a good idea. Now, Nadine,

525
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,400
you're not ready to do this, but I hope it

526
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,679
helps you knowing that this morning I did something that

527
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,599
I love to do. I went for a walk right

528
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:38,920
and early in the woods. I was deep in the woods,

529
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,920
without anyone else with me, without any weapons, in the

530
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,159
big woods. Where this big woods here, I mean, it's

531
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,760
like a holiday inn for dog men, for Sasquatch. You

532
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,880
could have a population of dogmen in Sasquatch in there.

533
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:57,119
I mean, it's got resources galore and moving water galore,

534
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,199
and it'd be perfect for them. But the fact fact

535
00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:03,039
that I've done this, and I've walked hundreds and hundreds

536
00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:06,360
of miles in the big woods here again, without anyone

537
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,800
else with me, without a weapon. That's just a testament

538
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,960
to the fact that dog men aren't hiding behind every

539
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,320
tree waiting to jump out and rip us apart as

540
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,480
soon as the opportunity presents itself. Again, I've said it

541
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,360
time after time. There are dangerous dog men. I fully

542
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,840
believe the fact that there are deviant dog men that

543
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,119
are dangerous and they will kill you if the opportunity

544
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:33,360
presents itself. But I mean, the evidence has shown conclusively

545
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,880
to me that time and time again, these guys are

546
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,159
not wired by nature to be that way. Just because

547
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:43,920
you have some bad apples here and there, and not

548
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,719
very often at all, do you have an example of

549
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,159
a deviant dog man. The numbers demonstrate that well, just

550
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,679
because you do have a deviant dog man here or there,

551
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,599
that doesn't mean that they're all wired to be that way. Again,

552
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,000
like I said, the numbers prove that I'm not saying

553
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,280
saying this to try to shame you and heading back

554
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,800
into the woods. No, I want you when you do

555
00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:08,519
eventually wind up heading back into the woods. If you

556
00:36:08,559 --> 00:36:10,719
do wind up going back into the woods, that is

557
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,559
I should say, I want you to take baby steps

558
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:15,800
and not do that until you know you're ready to

559
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,199
start taking baby steps and do that. But I hope

560
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,719
me sharing this with you, the fact that I have

561
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,800
spent so much time in the woods and continue to

562
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,840
spend so much time in the woods again without anyone

563
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,159
else with me, without weapons, I hope you remember that

564
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:36,280
is something that should help comfort you with the knowledge

565
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,440
that the fact I'm here is a testament to the

566
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,480
fact that again, there aren't dog men hiding behind every

567
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:45,679
tree waiting to jump out and rip us apart, because

568
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:48,119
if that was a case, I wouldn't be here after

569
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:52,159
walking again, hundreds and hundreds of miles through the big

570
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,960
woods here like that. Does that make sense and also

571
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,119
does that help any.

572
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: Yes, actually it does. I don't think I'll be going

573
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,039
into the woods woods for quite a while. I did

574
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,679
try to camp at Salt Fork a couple of years back,

575
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:18,559
and we were in a camper, and I had thought

576
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,400
that it was more populated than it was, and when

577
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:25,039
we got there it was not. It was a lot

578
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:28,320
of woods, and I made it through the whole weekend,

579
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,320
but I did not sleep well, So I technically have

580
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:36,079
been in the woods. I just didn't go far from

581
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:36,880
my campsite.

582
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,119
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, baby's steps, you're going to know

583
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,320
when you're ready to take the next step, and there's

584
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,199
no timeline. So many eyewitnesses feel pressure. I've got to

585
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:48,800
get back in the woods. I've got to get back

586
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,639
in the woods. And when they can't do that, they're disappointed.

587
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:55,719
Don't be disappointed. I mean, listen to that inner voice.

588
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,880
If your inner voice tells you you're not ready to

589
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,760
do this or do that, listen to it. There's no

590
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:06,000
shame in backing out. You're just testing your limits and

591
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:10,079
you're feeling all this out. The right timeline is when

592
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,159
it's right for you to take the next step. As

593
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:16,119
far as going back into the woods, that's the right time.

594
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,719
So please don't put too much pressure on yourself. I'm

595
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,719
proud of the job you've done. You've come a long

596
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,239
way since we spoke about two years ago for the

597
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,400
first time, so I think you deserve a lot of credit.

598
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:28,800
Please never forget that.

599
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 3: Oh thanks. Yeah. I used to be able to not

600
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:42,239
talk about it without getting upset or crying because it

601
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:49,599
was such a profoundly difficult event for me. But I

602
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,519
came to the realization and like I said, I owe

603
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:55,800
a lot of that to you, And I think that

604
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,800
people who listen to your show, if they haven't come forward,

605
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:06,519
they should talk to you, because it's just it was

606
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:10,880
so stress relieving to me to start that journey to

607
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,920
heal to Like I said, you said these words to

608
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,920
me and nobody had ever said to me, but it

609
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:22,760
actually hurts you. And you know, no one said that

610
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,280
to me before. Everyone always gave me this, Oh, it

611
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,960
could be this, it could be this, it could be this,

612
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,880
and then just left me sitting there trying to figure

613
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,800
out what happens next. So if there's anyone who listens

614
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,000
to your show, they should reach out to you if

615
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,360
they have something they're dealing with like this, because they

616
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,199
need to get it out or they're never going to

617
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:43,920
get past it.

618
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: One of the hang ups a lot of people listening

619
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,719
to tonight's show have about contacting me is for some

620
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,559
reason they think there's a requirement if they contact me,

621
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:56,559
and if I'm going to help them with their encounters,

622
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,760
I think somehow, some way there's a requirement to come

623
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,119
on show, or pressure to come on this show. Did

624
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,440
I ever pressure you to come on the show when

625
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:06,400
you contacted me?

626
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 3: No? No, you did not. You actually hooked me up

627
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:16,519
with two people who had been through similar experiences and

628
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:23,960
they were very understanding and and I mean, you have

629
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,599
never asked me to come on the show, and you've

630
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,440
never said we got to talk about this. In fact,

631
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,480
you were the one who said to me that I

632
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:38,280
should probably deal with what's going on because it doesn't

633
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,960
sound like I'm comfortable talking about it. And that's again,

634
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,119
you're the first person who's ever said that to me.

635
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,079
Everyone else has always said, oh, you got to come

636
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:49,559
on and you have to talk about this. You said no.

637
00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:52,559
I mean, you actually said no to me.

638
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,599
Speaker 2: The biggest reason why I said that is there are

639
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,960
people who aren't ready to come on this show. And

640
00:40:59,119 --> 00:41:01,840
sure it in a public way, in almost every case

641
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:04,840
it works wonders helping an eyewitness come to terms with

642
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,000
their encounters. But having said that, there are people, there

643
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,519
are eyewitnesses who that would be the wrong move for.

644
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,039
So if that's a case, then I would just stonewall

645
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:18,000
that that just wouldn't be the right thing to do.

646
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,360
I got into this because I want to help Dogman

647
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,639
eyewitnesses come to terms with their encounters, and the show

648
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,400
is one tool of many that I use to try

649
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,320
to help eyewitnesses deal with their encounters. But if it's

650
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,360
gonna hurt instead of help, such as in your case

651
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,119
back then, then yeah, I'm gonna just tell you that's

652
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,840
not the right move to make. So, like I said, Nadine,

653
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,079
I'm so glad to hear that you're doing so much better.

654
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,400
Of course, you still are working on this, you're working

655
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,039
your way through all this, but like I said, you've

656
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:51,880
come a long way in as long as we can

657
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,880
say that, then that's a really good thing.

658
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and I'm really doing a lot better

659
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,360
than I was. I did have an incident where we were.

660
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,880
It was someplace I wasn't familiar, and that's what made

661
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:11,159
it difficult for me was it was so dark and

662
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,920
I wasn't familiar with the area and we were kind

663
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,599
of lost. So I kind of freaked out just a

664
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:20,599
little bit on my husband because we got rerouted by

665
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:27,280
what's that map program called it's on your phones, But anyways,

666
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,079
it re routed us and it took us down all

667
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:31,679
these dirt roads, and the dirt roads started getting narrower,

668
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,039
and I kind of sort of lost it a little bit.

669
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:41,679
But thankfully he was very patient with me and there again,

670
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:48,880
my husband has has been very helpful to me with

671
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:55,039
all of this, but it took me having to have

672
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,320
courage to come forward and to find the right people

673
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,039
to talk to because some people will exploit you, but

674
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:07,480
you didn't and you really helped me. So I mean,

675
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:10,639
I'm dead serious. I'm not saying this because I'm like saying,

676
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,320
you know, you got to call and talk to this

677
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,880
guy because it shows great. That's not why this show

678
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,440
is what helped me call you and reach out to

679
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:26,039
you because I heard people talking and it helps you

680
00:43:26,199 --> 00:43:31,760
process things. And literally, if anyone is listening to this

681
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,480
show and you want to talk to someone who will

682
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:39,719
take the time to listen to you and believe you

683
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,519
and understand, you got to pick up the phone message whatever,

684
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,440
you got to do it because it has really helped

685
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:49,119
my life.

686
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 2: That's why I do this. That explains why I deal

687
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,400
with long hours and lack of a life and everything

688
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,199
like that. I mean, when I started doing this, if

689
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,079
I would have known what this would turn out to be,

690
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,559
a I wouldn't even know what to do with myself

691
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,840
because what it's turned into is greater than I'd ever hoped.

692
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,039
And as long as I hear you say things like

693
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:13,320
that another eyewitnesses say things like that, then I'm the

694
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,159
richest man in the world. I really am.

695
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,159
Speaker 3: Well. I hope you keep helping people because you have

696
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:25,719
made such a difference. And my husband sees it. The

697
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,440
night I walked out into the woods when we were

698
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,719
ghost hunting and I walked back through the woods out

699
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,800
into a field, I think he was shocked.

700
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,119
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why it would be after what

701
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,239
you went through. And it's funny you mentioned the night

702
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,840
that you got lost. I never did put this out

703
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,840
there for public consumption, but I think it was what

704
00:44:44,039 --> 00:44:47,199
early fall last year, when I was out one morning

705
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:50,880
on one of my walks again, way out, I bumped

706
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,119
into two ladies who were lost. I looked way up

707
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:57,280
ahead and I see these two ladies that are just

708
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,239
turning in circles and looking around and they're looking at

709
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,320
their phones, and I thought they're lost. I walked up

710
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,760
to them and they were lost, so I had to

711
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,599
show them the way out. So it's not just you.

712
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,039
It happens.

713
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, and I don't know. I hope a

714
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,719
year from now I can say that I'm more capable

715
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:27,000
of going further into the woods and being more comfortable

716
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:33,719
camping in the wooded areas. But I don't know. I

717
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:35,920
don't want to put myself on a timeline.

718
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,519
Speaker 2: Please don't put yourself on a timeline. And one of

719
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,480
the things I like so much about you is you're

720
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,360
testing your limits, but you're listening to that inner voice

721
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:48,440
when you bump up against the limit. There, your inner

722
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:51,079
voice is telling you, Okay, you need to back off.

723
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,440
This is too much, and you're doing that. So I

724
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,400
just love your approach to all this. I think it's great.

725
00:45:57,519 --> 00:45:58,199
I really do.

726
00:45:59,440 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

727
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:04,280
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess you have to. Really you can't

728
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,400
be afraid, and I think I was afraid for too

729
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:15,360
long and I needed to face what was of crippling

730
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:20,760
me basically. So yeah, I'm doing that very slowly, but

731
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,639
I'm doing it well.

732
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:24,639
Speaker 2: As long as you can say that, that's a great thing,

733
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,639
it really is. Are you comfortable talking more about that

734
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:31,840
encounter when you looked out the window that night and

735
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,800
it was right there?

736
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 3: Sure? Yes. My husband was away for I believe it

737
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,400
was a week, and he was in the back forty

738
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:49,639
at Fort Campbell and they were training, and I remember

739
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:55,320
it was fall and we were I don't even remember

740
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,320
what we were watching. We went down. This was back

741
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,320
in the days of like block Buster and stuff like that,

742
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:06,280
when you could go rent videos. So I'm aging myself here.

743
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: Okay, come on now.

744
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,639
Speaker 3: We went we rented videos, and we got popcorn, the

745
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:16,760
popcorn you used to make on the top of the stove.

746
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,280
And we were sitting there and we were watching some

747
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,519
movie and my girlfriend was there, and I don't know

748
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:33,880
that she really fully believed me, because would you, but

749
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,400
she was there and we were watching TV and Shane

750
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,440
had taken to sleeping in the living room on the couch.

751
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,679
He wouldn't sleep in his bedroom anymore, which honestly I

752
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:51,039
wouldn't let him anyways, But we were I guess it

753
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:55,519
was getting dark, and after it got dark, we started

754
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,440
to get a little nervous, you know, Shane and I

755
00:47:57,519 --> 00:48:02,719
were really nervous, and we were not really paying attention

756
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:07,800
to the TV. And I don't remember the exact time,

757
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,440
but it was it was around Halloween and I guess

758
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,400
it was like nine o'clock at night somewhere around there.

759
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,480
And the first thing we heard was like noises, like

760
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:30,559
grunting kind of noises, not like a monkey, but like

761
00:48:30,679 --> 00:48:33,519
dogs make sometimes they make like a grunting kind of

762
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:41,719
growly noise. And I remember like seeing shadows moving outside

763
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,280
the trailer and we were sitting there and the trailer,

764
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,719
the trailer literally was shaking. And we lived in a

765
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,480
fourteen by eighty trailer. And I have no idea how

766
00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,400
much they weigh, but I don't know anything that can

767
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,480
do that. So it started. And then we looked over

768
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:06,760
and there it was in the window. And it didn't

769
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,199
seem like just an animal when you look at it,

770
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,320
I how don't explain that. It's like if you look

771
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,480
at it at a wolf, you see a wolf. This

772
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,679
had this intelligent kind of oh, I don't know, like

773
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,039
I'm going to get you, you know, kind of like

774
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,239
it knew what it was doing, like it deliberately was

775
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,800
doing this for a specific purpose, like it was thinking.

776
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:38,880
That's the one thing I remember about it. It was

777
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:45,480
highly intelligent. I could tell that. And it smiled like

778
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:49,880
like and it looked like it was happy that we

779
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,840
were scared. Does that make sense.

780
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard it a ton of times.

781
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,559
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it just got this look on

782
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:04,800
its face like it it was I guess in retrospect,

783
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,280
looking back, it was getting what it wanted is what

784
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,800
I see it as. But it was right there and

785
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,440
it started walking to the door, and that of course

786
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:19,719
we had locked the door. But what bothered me was

787
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:26,320
I don't understand how the door just pops open, and

788
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,239
yet the door popped open, and then it started swinging open,

789
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,239
and it was right there by the door. You could

790
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:36,719
see it in the window, the kitchen window, and I

791
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,880
did think we were going to die. I did. I

792
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,000
thought at any moment it was going to come inside.

793
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,719
And I can't even begin to imagine what the nine

794
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,119
to one one call sounds like to the police. They

795
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:57,840
must think we're just nuts. But they had to have

796
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,840
heard it. I mean, how could they not have heard it.

797
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:07,840
It was growling, and it was like enraged when it

798
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,719
was doing this, Like I didn't understand that, like we

799
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,920
never did anything to it, but it seemed to just

800
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:24,559
be constantly aggressive, like it was mad. And I remember

801
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,079
the funny part was my girlfriend said, it's your house,

802
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:31,800
you go close the door. And so I'm walking over

803
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,639
to the door and it's hanging I don't know, maybe

804
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:41,360
about ten inches open, and I had to stick my

805
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,360
hand out there to reach for the door knob, and

806
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,360
I looked over to the left and it was gone.

807
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,559
And then by the time the police got there, there

808
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:59,320
were no footprints. It had rained that day earlier and

809
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,159
there were no footprints. There was no evidence that anything

810
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,400
had ever happened, and the police just treated us like

811
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,320
we were crazy. And I don't understand how it couldn't

812
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,159
lean footprints. Have you ever heard anyone say that?

813
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard it who knows them many times? And

814
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,039
something I want you to understand the Dean these guys,

815
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,599
they're masters at pushing our buttons. You talked about how

816
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:29,000
angry it seemed to be. I mean, it's just textbook

817
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:34,039
behavior for these things to act totally apoplectic in situations

818
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,440
like that, what you witnessed and what you went through.

819
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,239
For anyone listening who doesn't know what the word apoplectic means,

820
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:44,239
think about halk rage. I mean just over the top angry.

821
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,360
That's what apoplectic means. They can act that way without

822
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,800
actually being angry, because it seems like they will do

823
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,400
anything they can to push our buttons and make us

824
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,159
that much more frightened, because it seems like in a

825
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,920
lot of ways they just might feed off of our fear.

826
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:07,320
If they are supernatural beings, especially evil supernatural beings, and

827
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,519
I guess there's every possibility they can feed off of

828
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:13,400
our fear. So that's just something to keep in mind.

829
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,320
I really don't think it was angry. I think it

830
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480
was just doing that for effect, and it worked. It's

831
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,559
understandable why that did frighten you that much more when

832
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:23,559
it's acting that way.

833
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:30,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it gets what it needs by making

834
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,679
you afraid. Just like you said, it's like it depends

835
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,519
on it, you know, because that's all it ever did.

836
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:41,079
All it ever did was scare people. And at first

837
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,599
we thought it was maybe we were in its territory.

838
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,440
But I don't think that's it at all. I think

839
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:49,639
it just lives off of fear.

840
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:54,280
Speaker 2: Literally, Yeah, they just might. And here's something also I

841
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:57,599
want you to consider. It wasn't total control when it

842
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,599
did all that. You know, that is until diigent as

843
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:02,400
you are, and you don't have to be half as

844
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,840
intelligent as you are to realize that that thing was

845
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,719
in total to control that night. Well, if it was

846
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,239
in total control, why did it pop your door open?

847
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:14,360
If it didn't want to come in and get you

848
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,280
and do whatever, do this and do that to you?

849
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,639
It could have done that if it wanted to, but

850
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,360
it never came in and quote unquote got you clearly,

851
00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:26,320
because that's not what I wanted to do. I've got

852
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,960
no doubt whatsoever. That doged me and accomplished everything it

853
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:33,320
hoped to accomplish that night by doing what it did,

854
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,000
and that was to mortify you to within an inch

855
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,519
of your life. And then once it could see that

856
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:41,159
it happened, okay, well, mission accomplished.

857
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:41,760
Speaker 4: Move on.

858
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,079
Speaker 2: There's a reason for everything that they do, and I

859
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:48,159
think in almost every case when they force encounters to

860
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,400
happen the way that Dogma did with you that night,

861
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:52,960
it's because they want to get a rise out of you.

862
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,880
It's not because they want to rip you apart. Does

863
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:56,719
that all make sense?

864
00:54:57,559 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? It does, it really does. I mean it literally,

865
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,000
it got nothing else out of it except that.

866
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, still it got what it wanted. He got

867
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,440
everything it wanted that night. Now, when it popped, your

868
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,599
door opened and you saw it standing right there, how

869
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:18,280
close would you say it was? Tia? At that point.

870
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 3: It was a fourteen wide trailer and we were almost

871
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:27,000
over on the other side of it, so probably about

872
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:32,639
maybe fifteen feet fifteen and a half feet from us,

873
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,079
maybe because we're inside and it's outside standing maybe about

874
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,639
two feet out because the steps were there and it

875
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,559
was on the ground, so it had to be you know,

876
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,119
about maybe two feet out off to the left of

877
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:50,960
the steps. Still that's too close. That's the way too close.

878
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Now, when you're sitting there looking at this

879
00:55:56,079 --> 00:56:00,159
thing where its eyes locked on you were elsewhere, Yes.

880
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:03,760
Speaker 3: No, it was looking right at me. It was just

881
00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:09,159
like staring dead on right at me. And it had

882
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:13,400
this intelligence about it. And that's the one thing I

883
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:21,400
always always believed. It was an intelligent, thinking, cunning type

884
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:26,320
of thing. It knew what it was doing. It planned

885
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,119
these things out. It wasn't just some random act of

886
00:56:30,159 --> 00:56:33,519
an animal I'm running on instinct. It was way more

887
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:33,880
than that.

888
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,119
Speaker 2: It's good you know that because you're spot on. They

889
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:42,400
definitely are. What was the worst thing about looking out

890
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,760
and seeing that dog me and standing right there after

891
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,840
I ripped your door open that night, I thought.

892
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: It was going to hurt my son. To be honest,

893
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:55,280
I mean I would I never understood the concept of

894
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,559
would you give your life for someone else until it

895
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:02,679
was a choice of me or my son, And I

896
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,599
didn't want that to hurt my son, and I would

897
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:11,519
have done anything to protect him. So I just didn't

898
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:15,679
want to lose my kids because they were everything to me.

899
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, the only thing that you suffered that

900
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,800
night was just trauma. I hate the fact that he

901
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,079
had such a traumatic experience, but that's a lot better

902
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,280
than how it could have turned out if that dogman

903
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,840
actually had it in for you in decided to hurt you. So,

904
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:34,119
thank goodness, that wasn't one its mind. And yeah, that's

905
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:38,440
a repeating pattern where it normally don't. Again, like I said,

906
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,719
there are dangerous ones it will hurt you, that will

907
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,280
kill you if the opportunity presents itself, but that's definitely

908
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,679
not what we're talking about here. Now, this might sound

909
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,719
like a strange question to ask, but can you think

910
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,559
of anything good that came from that experience that night?

911
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,519
Speaker 3: Wow? No one's ever asked me that.

912
00:58:01,079 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: The reason why I ask you that, Nadine, is when

913
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:08,239
you have a horrific experience, sometimes there are still good

914
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,440
things that come out of that. So that's why I

915
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:11,320
asked you about this.

916
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:17,559
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't I don't know. I guess I never

917
00:58:17,679 --> 00:58:22,440
thought about that. I actually I did when we moved

918
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:28,039
on Post. I met quite a few people on Post,

919
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:31,159
and because we moved in, that guy gave up his

920
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,480
place for us. I met people that I never would

921
00:58:35,559 --> 00:58:40,039
have met, and they turned out to be some of

922
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:44,880
my best friends. So yes, that there is good that

923
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:45,519
came from that.

924
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,079
Speaker 2: Oh, good will either at least some positives or at

925
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:53,920
least one positive thing. If that dogged me and could

926
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,639
rock your trailer the way it did, what do you

927
00:58:56,639 --> 00:58:58,199
think are the limits of its strength?

928
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, because, like I said, I don't think

929
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:07,440
it's a physical thing. I think it could do anything

930
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,440
it wants to do, if you want me to be

931
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:14,519
completely honest, because it got into a locked trailer and

932
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:20,880
with no use of force, and I mean it, I

933
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,679
think it could do whatever it wants to. And I

934
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,400
think that's part of what terrified me the most about

935
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:30,280
it was it didn't seem to have other than the door.

936
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:32,280
It didn't come in the door. It didn't seem to

937
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:38,440
have any rules that applied to it. Does that make sense?

938
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: That does make sense? And if it is a spiritual being,

939
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,519
a supernatural entity, then yeah, I think most rules aren't

940
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,559
going to apply to it. So it's good you know

941
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:51,559
that now. You told us about how close you were

942
00:59:51,719 --> 00:59:54,239
to that dog mean that night, but what about the

943
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,280
night when you looked into that lady's trailer and saw

944
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,480
the other dog man standing inside that woman's t trailer.

945
01:00:01,159 --> 01:00:03,199
It was a different dogging in that night, wasn't it?

946
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,280
Or was it the same one that you saw right

947
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,760
outside your trailer after it ripped the door off.

948
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 3: I think it's the same, to be honest with you.

949
01:00:12,639 --> 01:00:17,000
But I was like literally up right on the glass.

950
01:00:17,199 --> 01:00:21,800
And the funny part was I went over to see

951
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,320
if there was anyone in there, because my husband said

952
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,920
the trailer looked vacant, and I said, well, how can

953
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,880
it be vacant? Somebody was living there yesterday. So I

954
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,280
walked up onto the porch and the sliding glass doors

955
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,199
were what they were using for their front door, and

956
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,679
I walked up and I looked in and I was

957
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,639
literally like right on the glass. And at first I

958
01:00:44,639 --> 01:00:48,039
couldn't see anything, and then there it was, and you

959
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:51,079
could see the red eyes. It just appeared out of

960
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:56,119
nowhere almost, and that's just literally a pane of glass

961
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:59,079
and it was standing maybe six feet from the glass

962
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:00,559
on the other side.

963
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:01,199
Speaker 2: Wow.

964
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: Close, yes, very close.

965
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 2: Way too close for a comfort. Did it ever act

966
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:08,920
like it was going to rush?

967
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:15,679
Speaker 3: Yet it just stood there watching me because I backed away.

968
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,519
I backed away. Then I walked down the steps, and

969
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,960
I backed down the driveway, never taking my eyes off

970
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,880
of it. And I told my husband what I saw,

971
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,519
and then when he went up to the porch to

972
01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:26,440
look in, it was gone.

973
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: You poor thing. I can only imagine what you must

974
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:30,960
have been thinking at the time.

975
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: I asked my husband, I said, do you think I'm

976
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:39,519
going crazy? And he said crazy people don't ask if

977
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:40,440
they're going crazy.

978
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,039
Speaker 2: Good point.

979
01:01:43,039 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 3: So he said, no, I don't think you're going crazy.

980
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,960
I just didn't see it. But then he's kind of

981
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,679
spiritually dense, so that doesn't surprise me. Like in the

982
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:58,719
realm of ghost hunting. When we go ghost hunting, which

983
01:01:58,719 --> 01:02:03,119
a lot of people don't believe in that either, I

984
01:02:03,199 --> 01:02:09,440
will see things, I will hear things. I have been choked, scratched,

985
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:18,760
bit oh. I've been called all kinds of really nasty names.

986
01:02:20,679 --> 01:02:24,840
I've had someone threatened to kill me. I'm trying to

987
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,960
think what else. I've had my jewelry stolen when I

988
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:32,280
was at a haunted location. So I mean, stuff just

989
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,119
happens to me. I don't know why, but then to him,

990
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,440
he'll walk into the room and everything will go flat.

991
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:40,480
So I don't know. Maybe he's a protector.

992
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,000
Speaker 2: He sure sounds like a keeper to me. Sounds like

993
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,360
a really good man and a great husband. I think

994
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,920
you're lucky to have him, just like he's lucky to

995
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:52,280
have you. Thank goodness or that he is.

996
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: Actually he's When we went to Prospect Place, he walked

997
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,760
the property just to make sure that there weren't people

998
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,519
that we're just trying to mess with us. And he's

999
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:07,239
very protective and not just of me, but of everyone

1000
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,440
that was on our team. And the funny part about

1001
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,639
Prospect Place was this guy who was such a skeptic.

1002
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,960
He spent the entire night walking the property because he

1003
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:22,800
said he felt like he was being watched. And he's

1004
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,039
the only one that had that feeling. So I know

1005
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:31,239
he was put out by that. I know he was unnerved.

1006
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like he must have been. I've got one

1007
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:37,880
last question for you before I ask you for your

1008
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,400
closing comments, and that is I'm sure that some of

1009
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,079
the people who are listening to tonight's show still don't

1010
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:47,079
believe in the existence of dog men and I'm sure

1011
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:50,840
that's not lost on you either. But does that knowledge

1012
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:53,280
hurt you?

1013
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:59,199
Speaker 3: No, not really. I've had people call me crazy, that's fine,

1014
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:06,239
you know. Oh I didn't believe it either, and I

1015
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,599
don't know. Maybe it was my arrogance that caused that

1016
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,960
to happen to me. I don't know, but I don't

1017
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,039
care if anyone believes me, because I know what happened

1018
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:23,119
and I know it's real. So hopefully they never have

1019
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:23,840
to find out.

1020
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:29,559
Speaker 2: I hope they never do. Also, I really do well.

1021
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,400
Having said all that, it's about time for us to

1022
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,679
do that. And if you're an adine, before we do, though,

1023
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,599
do you have any closing comments for us?

1024
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: Actually, yes I do. There's one thing I would leave

1025
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,360
people with. There are some things in life you should

1026
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,960
not go looking for. You just shouldn't. It's a bad idea.

1027
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,639
I don't care what it is. If it's like you

1028
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,119
think you're going to go debunk a ghost thing, don't

1029
01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:00,119
just leave it alone. We need to be ignorant of

1030
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:04,320
things like that, because once you find them, they know

1031
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:05,119
how to find you.

1032
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 2: Words of wisdom. I wish more people listen to you

1033
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,679
mentioned reaching out to me to get help for the

1034
01:05:13,719 --> 01:05:16,159
people who have had dogman encounters that they do need

1035
01:05:16,239 --> 01:05:19,239
help with. If you do want some help with your encounter,

1036
01:05:19,519 --> 01:05:21,880
all you have to do is to go to dogmanencounters

1037
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,840
dot Com submit a report, and if you do that

1038
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,000
then I'll just contact you to schedule a phone consultation

1039
01:05:28,239 --> 01:05:31,760
and we'll take it from there. But having said that,

1040
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,239
thanks again so much for coming on Adine. I really

1041
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:37,119
do appreciate it. I hope you just continue to get

1042
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:40,400
better and better as time goes on. But please never forget.

1043
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,559
If I can ever help you, just contact me, let

1044
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,159
me know and we'll talk again. I'll always be there

1045
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:46,559
for you.

1046
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, you've made a difference.

1047
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. Wouldn't have it any other way. Well,

1048
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:56,599
having said that, thanks again so much for your time,

1049
01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:58,000
and have a great night.

1050
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:19,599
Speaker 6: Down where the pine tree swallow up the moon. The

1051
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:23,639
whipperwel stops singing way too soon.

1052
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: There's an old dirt road.

1053
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 6: That nobody it drives because the woods out there don't

1054
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:43,800
let folks survive. Grandpa porn where the withered handboard don't

1055
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,639
want to pass that stand. There's things in them hills

1056
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:53,960
you ain't meant to see, and they sure don't care

1057
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,159
who you claim to be.

1058
01:06:59,119 --> 01:06:59,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

1059
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:06,239
Speaker 6: The sun drove up slow and the shadows grow. Every

1060
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,400
porch light burns for a reason.

1061
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: Oh, brickle blasts gonna get you. Better not be out

1062
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:23,079
there after dark. He all house, he all loudly thought,

1063
01:07:23,239 --> 01:07:28,760
before the dogs start marking for brittle flasks gonna get you.

1064
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 7: That's what every all time, I swear.

1065
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:33,679
Speaker 1: If you hear.

1066
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 3: Limbs cracking, don't you look back.

1067
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:39,519
Speaker 2: He was all already there.

1068
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 7: Some folks laugh at the story's told, call them nothing

1069
01:07:50,599 --> 01:07:54,400
but tales of old and they hid it down that

1070
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:56,519
logging true.

1071
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,159
Speaker 6: Nobody he heard another too.

1072
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,079
Speaker 2: I found one boot by the old creek.

1073
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,719
Speaker 6: Bend, broken flashlight at the trails.

1074
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: Daddy, no blood, no tracks, no good bye note.

1075
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:24,319
Speaker 6: Just silence hanging in every.

1076
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:31,119
Speaker 7: When the Christians quill, you don't read for him.

1077
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,319
Speaker 4: He's just breath or all already hard.

1078
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,359
Speaker 1: Brittle glass gonna get you. Better not be out there

1079
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,319
after dark, hen house, he don't want. He'll find more.

1080
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:56,039
The dogs, our barking, prickle glass gonna get you. That's

1081
01:08:56,119 --> 01:09:01,960
one real time squirts cry, don't you up?

1082
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:28,039
Speaker 4: Was nobody knows just how oldy, some say older than

1083
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:29,720
the town had said.

1084
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 6: They say every generation loses one.

1085
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:47,279
Speaker 5: Or two, just enough to keep believe. Some other still

1086
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:50,520
whispered to their children.

1087
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:56,399
Speaker 6: Fah, there's love the doors at night.

1088
01:09:59,239 --> 01:10:01,159
Speaker 7: Some lets let's feet away.

1089
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,199
Speaker 2: This one never did.

1090
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:09,199
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1091
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,199
Speaker 2: Old priscle bags gonna gets you.

1092
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,119
Speaker 6: That's what we've all heard since we were young.

1093
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,520
Speaker 2: Stay by the fire, or you'll hear.

1094
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:26,239
Speaker 1: That brown rolling through the pines before the dawn. Old

1095
01:10:26,359 --> 01:10:30,760
prison bags gonna gets you. Don't matter if you pray

1096
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,119
all round, if the words go steal

1097
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 4: And your heart turns cool song, Old princle bags song,

1098
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:46,239
Already walk