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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Nadine Smith. Nadine,
Welcome to the show. Hi, Hi, thanks so much for
being here. We appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: No, it's okay. I mean you were very helpful to me,
so I just wanted to repay the favor and maybe
share a story to help people.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Thanks for wanting to repay me, but you don't know
me anything. That's what I'm here for and that's what
I love doing. Nadine, please give us a brief bio
on yourself.
Speaker 3: Well, now, I am a paranormal investigator. We have a
team called Black Swamp Paranormal of Northwest Ohio and we've
been doing it for about eleven years. But prior to that,
I basically just your average normal person, married kids, you know, average.
Speaker 2: Average person who hunts ghosts. Was that a hard one
to explain to your kids or was it pretty easy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: We were armchair paranormal investigators for years. We started watching
Oh what was it? Called Taps with Jason Hawes on it.
So the kids actually one of them goes with us.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, really, I bet you never would have imagined
that when you watched them on TV.
Speaker 3: No, but the one really, the one really likes it
and the other one doesn't. They're kind of afraid of it.
So they babysit the dogs so we can go out
of town.
Speaker 2: Well, sounds like it still works out well for you.
Speaker 3: It does. It's a pretty nice setup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like it is a lot of dogmen ee
witnesses have a history of paranormal experiences for the other
dog man encounters that is, Is that how it was
with you?
Speaker 3: Yes, I've had paranormal experiences almost all my life. I remember,
going back to twelve, I had things that were happening,
you know, ghosts. I saw Bigfoot, We've seen UFOs. So yeah,
pretty much.
Speaker 2: So you had par normal experiences before you had your
dog meeting encounters. But did you decide to start hunting
ghosts after you had your first dog Meean encounter? Did
that first dog mean encounter somehow, some way cause you
to start ghost hunting?
Speaker 3: No? Actually it terrified me, and for a while I
think I pushed it out of you know, my memory,
because I hadn't remembered it until I saw a movie.
It was a werewolf movie, and I started having nightmares.
So no, I wouldn't say that it did that. I'd
say did the exact opposite. It terrified me so badly.
I just couldn't process it.
Speaker 2: And I don't need to tell you again. I'm so
sorry that you had to have all these experiences. But
of course that one encounter was a lot more traumatic
than the others. Yes, just not fear. Anyone has to
deal with that. Life is difficult enough as it is.
If you throw dog man encounters on top of that
is just too much, it really is. Do you think
there's a connection between dogmen and the paranormal because some
people do.
Speaker 3: It's interesting you asked that. I'm reading a book called
the Nephelom. I think that there's a lot of connections.
Not a lot of people believe it, but I do.
I think that. I think a lot of the cryptids
might be Nephelum, and it just kind of intrigues me.
So yeah, I do. I think there's I think they
are related.
Speaker 2: Well, that makes two of us. I don't think all
dog men have paranormal origins. I think some do, but
not all. But when I started doing this years ago,
I thought that all dog men were just flesh and
blood creatures out there in the woods trying to scratch
out a living. But after you talk with so many
credible eyewitnesses that report witnessing things that the only sensible
way to explain their experience would that they had a
pure normal type experience with some kind of a being
that looked like a dog man, or this dog mean
they encountered was a spiritual being. In other words, it's
just funny how your puradigm change is over time when
you're exposed to so many outwitnesses talking about different aspects
that they experienced when they have encounters with these things.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I don't think like I've
encountered three of them. One was in Fort Campbell, that
was the one we talked about. One was down in Louisiana.
I saw it from a pontoon boat when we were
out renting a pontoon boat, and I saw it standing
on the banks. And that was down in Louisiana. And
then the other one was here in Ohio. But the
one that was the worst of them was in Kentucky
that was really bad.
Speaker 2: This is probably going to be a difficult question. If
these dog men that you encountered weren't paranormal in origin,
in other words, spiritual beings, supernatural entities, then how could
you explain having four encounters in four totally different places.
Speaker 3: I don't think you can. I think that there's people
that believe, like with Bigfoot, that they can they're interdimensional
or something, because they've seen them like disappear as they're walking,
and I think that it's possible that they have the
ability to appear wherever they want. To be totally honest
with you, but that's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: No, I think you're right about that. It's hard to
look at all the evidence and disagree with what you said.
It really is looking at the fact that it's so
hard to explain your experiences away as being not related
to the paranormal. Does that make your encounters with dogmen
that much more difficult to deal with or does it
not have that much of an effect on it.
Speaker 3: Oh? No, it's extremely difficult to deal with because if
it was just a physical animal, it would be one thing.
You know, Like my husband went out one night when
I saw it watching us from the tree line, and
he took a gun out, and I was absolutely terrified
because I told him that that's not going to make
a difference, and he basically he said, no, stay here.
He thought I was being kind of overreacting, and he
went out and it just disappeared closer he got, it
just vanished, you know. And then there's no way a
real animal can do that. So I mean, how do
you fight something that has no I don't know, weaknesses
or or rules.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't. There's no way, too. They've got every advantage.
That one encounter that you had that was so over
the top traumatic it caused you to move. You decided
to move. Did moving help the trauma that you felt
back then as much as you hoped it would?
Speaker 3: I thought it did? I mean it when I thought
it was just something specific to that area, Yes, it,
you know, because we left. We just literally left and
left some of our belongings in that place we lived
because it was getting dark and we were scared, so
we just we left it. We left a lot of
stuff there. Later, when I found out that these things
are everywhere, not so much, and that would be when
it started to get to be a problem for me.
And then I heard about your show and I started
listening to it, and that's about time when I called you,
because it was really getting hard for me to deal
with it, because if they could be anywhere, then how
was I safe?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as far as your safety goes, that lies
with them. The fact that you had all these encounters
but never got hurt. That's because they didn't want to
hurt you. And thank goodness for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. You had said something to
me when we had talked, and honestly, it was the
first time anyone had ever said that to me, you know.
But did it actually hurt you? And it didn't, And
come to think of it, it didn't hurt any of the
people that it scared out of that area, that place
where we lived. It's like it lived off of fear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a recurring theme. You hear it all the
time amongst eye witnesses, and that knowledge right there. Okay,
this dog man, or in your case, these dog men
had every advantage. They could have harmed me if they
wanted to so easily, but they never did. That knowledge
right there works wonders when it comes to coming to
terms with a dog mean encounter. So I'm so glad
you know that, Thank goodness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh definitely. I mean because it was when you
think about it, when you get something that's about seven
feet tall standing outside your window and you're living in
a mobile home and all you have is those panes
of glass. Have you ever seen the panes of glass
on mobile home windows? They're really cheap, and that's all
that's between you and it. So when you come to
the realization that it's not going to actually physically harm you,
that does tend to help.
Speaker 2: Oh definitely, yeah, it makes every difference. It does. All right, Nadine,
Please tell us about your encounters. Now, give us everal
last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, So we moved to Kentucky. My husband was called
back into the service for desert storms. So this happened
back in nineteen ninety one, and back then nobody talked
about this stuff, and if you did, people thought you
were crazy. So I really didn't come forward for a
very long time. But we moved there and the neighbors
across the fence we were told they did like Santa Ria,
and at the time I didn't even know what that was.
So I'm already tiny bit freaked out by that. And
we moved in and we would hear things at night
that we thought were you know, people having domestic arguments,
a lot of screaming and stuff, and then would move.
They would just up and move in the middle of
the night. They'd leave and leave everything, and it really
didn't make a lot of sense to us. So I
started asking some people about it. And when I first asked,
I have to admit I am not making fun of
anyone who has been through this. You need to understand
that I thought it was a joke. I thought these
people were out of their mind because I came from
that train of thought where you know, there's nothing under
the bed, you know, nothing's going to harm you, and
they're telling me that a werewolf came to their house
and scared their child and tried to get in, and
then that just I don't know. At first, I thought
they were crazy, you know. So when we had found
a dog that was dead, and my husband, I said,
you know, we really need to bury this dog. So
we did, and we buried it right next to the
tree line, and we were told, you know, don't bury
animals up there, and again I really didn't think much
of it because I thought, this is just like superstition,
urban or you know, urban legends, things like that. It's crazy.
So we buried the dog and the next day the
hole was empty, and what was particularly odd about it
was the dog was gone, and so was the dirt.
The hole was there, but no dirt, so we didn't
know what to think of it. And then after that
it was a constantly cold spot. Like we would tell
the neighbors you got to go up and you got it,
you got to go up and stand there, and they'd
go up and stand there and it could be like
ninety degrees and it was cold in that spot all
the time. And we thought it was cute, you know.
We thought it was a you know, come check this out.
But then we started seeing well, let me let me
say this. I started seeing eyes watching me from the
woods right near that spot. And at first I thought
it was like, I don't know, a bear or something.
So I asked my husband what kind of animals live here?
And he thought I was being silly. And it kept
happening every night, right after dark, I'd see these red
eyes and it wasn't like they were reflecting. They were
like glowing red eyes. It was like dark in there,
and these eyes were just glowing with nothing to reflect
off of. And it got so bad that I wouldn't
go out after dark. I was starting to get really scared.
But the one time that convinced me that something really
was wrong was when it stood up. It literally came
close to the edge of the woods and stood up,
and I'm looking at this shadow and I'm thinking, I
don't know how to process this. So I went and
told my husband about it, and he told me that
he thought I was being crazy or overreacting because at
the time I was pregnant, and he told me, no,
you know that can't be what it is. So he
went out to the woods one night with I don't know,
I think it was a thirty thirty, I don't know,
and he said he was going to prove to me
that this was nothing. So he started walking up towards
the woods and this thing he got close, I mean
probably within ten feet, and it disappeared, and it freaked
him out a lot. But after that, it started coming
down to the trailer and it would walk around the
trailer at night and you would hear it growling and
you would hear it like running its claws along the
side of the trailer, and it would stop right out
in front of our bedroom and it would just stand
there and it would growl and it would like beat
on the trailer, and I just, I don't know. I
wanted to go, I wanted to leave. I was terrified.
And again he told me he thought I was making
more out of this. Well, then the day came that
my very next door neighbor she had to go to
the emergency room one night and they never came back,
and someone came and got their furniture. And I remember
coming home from a doctor's visit and it was broad
daylight and I'm looking inside a locked mobile home and
it was standing in there, inside these sliding glass doors,
and it was just looking at me with those same
red eyes, and it was as tall as the ceiling
on this mobile home, and it literally horrified me. And
I just I didn't know what to do at that point,
and so I went to the library, and I think
that librarian thought I was on drugs or needed to be,
because he, you know, when I told him, when I
was turning to look up, he kind of looked at
me with that face and I'm sure people have told
you about that, where if you try to tell someone,
they think you're crazy. But there was a guy there,
a Native American guy, and he showed us some books
and he told us about skin walkers. So he sent
us home with books, and me and my girlfriend sat
around the kitchen table reading all this and that. At
that point, it just got worse because now I had
something to think about that could be out there. And
this was over the span of months this was happening.
It started in late summer and went all the way
through after I was no longer pregnant, all the way
past Christmas, all the way into the following year. It
was probably May of the following year when we finally
got out. But in the meantime, my son started having
nightmares and he would wake up screaming, and we got
called to the school and my son was drawing pictures
of a black and brown wolf with long teeth and
blood on its teeth, and so I went to him
and I talked to him, and he told me what
he thought he was seeing. And it literally horrified me
because now it's going after my kid. I didn't know
what to do because I couldn't protect my children, so
I stopped going out after dark. I would lock the doors,
I wouldn't go anywhere, I wouldn't answer the door. I
just basically became terrified and I would just stay in
the house all night, and I would keep the kids
in the living room and wouldn't let them sleep in
their bedrooms. And it was it was pretty bad, to
be honest with you. And when my husband had to
go out to do military stuff, when they go off
to go do training, I would have a friend come
stay with me. But it was getting harder to have
friends stay with me because things would happen and they
would get scared. But I think the final straw was
we were home and my girlfriend was at the house.
We were watching TV and the house the trailer started shaking.
And I'm not making this up, I swear to you.
I would put my hand on a bible literally this
trailer was shaking. And then she looked out the window
and it was right there. You could you could see
it right there. It had the ears that went back,
it had the teeth. It was like black, and it
had the glowing red eyes. And the hands looked like
human hands, but they had claws on them and the
body looked more like a human body with patchy hair,
but with a wolf's head on it. And it was
a shorter snout and the snout didn't have a lot
of hair on it, but the teeth were huge and
it was standing out there. And so we called the police,
and which was the dumbest thing I'd probably ever done.
And in that time we were on the phone, I
remember saying to my girlfriend, well, what am I going
to tell them? They're not going to believe me. And
I just remember thinking, you know that I was losing
my mind. And then the door popped open on the trailer.
It just literally popped open the locked door, which I
don't understand how that happened. And it horrified me to
think that it's right outside my door. And I literally thought,
this is how I'm going to die. And we went
to the door. We were going to close the door,
and I remember thinking, this is the dumbest thing I've
ever done in my life. But I was going to
close that door and I was going to lock it again.
And we got over to the door and it was gone,
and I mean it was it was so nerve wracking
to live through this, you know, it was just like
I saw what it did to my neighbor's trailer. It's
like eight feet up on my neighbor's trailer. It looked
like someone with a Freddy Krueger hand went down the
side of their trailer and just ripped right through the metal.
I mean, it's it was awful. I mean, I just
I don't. I don't know how I made it through that,
to be honest with you, I really don't. I remember
the day we went to move out. I went down
to government housing and I begged them to bump us
on the list, and I lied to get in because
if I told them that we were being terrorized by
whatever this thing was, they probably would have thought I
was crazy and put me in a padded room. So
I was standing there and I told them that someone
was coming around and harassing us and that we were
being stocked, which was partially true, and a very nice
Essex gave up his government housing slot for us so
we could move, and we moved within three days. And
on the last day we moved, it was getting dark
and the silverware and a whole bunch of stuff was
still there, like the good silverware, and we just got
in the vehicle and we took the dog, took our kids,
and we left and we never went back and I
will never go back there. I don't think I could
ever go back to Hopkinsville. But that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Well, Nadine, like I said, it's just not fear. No
one should have to deal with that. They really shouldn't. Now,
you said you moved three days after you looked out
the windowing, you saw it right there looking at you.
But how far did you move away?
Speaker 3: I think maybe fifteen miles twenty miles. We moved on
to a military base. We moved to Fort Campbell, and
I figured it's guarded, you know, it's got gates, it's
got to be pretty safe. And I found out about
a year ago that soldiers at Fort Campbell are reporting
having run ins with dog men on the back forty
in the training areas. So it wasn't as safe as
I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sure are. Yeah, encounters have been reported there. Unfortunately,
when you moved fifteen miles away. Of course, it's a
military base, so you're going to think there's going to
be security that comes along with that. But did you
have any misgivings with that? Okay, we're only moving fifteen
miles away, that's not nearly far enough.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I just somehow. I don't know.
I guess I forgot about it, or I just pushed
it back after we moved. I guess it was a
couple months later. I just my husband said, I stopped
talking about it, and I didn't really remember it for
the longest time until we we were watching a werewolf
movie of some kind. I can't remember what it was,
and it was it was pretty bad and it scared
me and I started having nightmares and I remembered it.
And I don't know how the human mind works like that.
I don't know how I did that, how I could
forget it.
Speaker 2: Well, the mind is an amazing thing. Sometimes you disassociate
yourself from traumatic experiences because that's the easiest way to
cope with a traumatic experience. Some people would do that.
Some people's minds don't work that way, so you never
really know. You don't. It seems like you're doing much
better than you were, Nadine. But present day, where are
you at with all this?
Speaker 3: Geographically? I'm in Ohio, which is not a great place
to be because we have we had the defiance dog
man in nineteen seventy two, and so we do have
sightings around here, but I stay out of the woods still.
I live in the suburbs because I am so afraid
to be near the woods that I don't ever want
to live any place where you've got lots of trees
and stuff around me. But having said that, I think
I'm doing a lot better than where I was two
years ago, because I can go out at night, and
I actually went on a ghost hunt where we were
in a heavily wooded area and there was nothing for
miles around, and I was okay. For the first time
in a long time, I could. I was walking around
in a field surrounded my woods, and I was kind
of shocked by that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's impressive, I'd say, you are doing better, But
you're on a ghost hunt that night. Were you paying
more attention to trying to look for ghosts or were
you still on the lookout for dog men more than
anything else.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. Actually there were foxes there and there
were all these little eyes because there were foxes, and
we took beef jerky and we were feeding the foxes
beef jerkey. So no, I wasn't looking for dog man.
I was looking for foxes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, foxes in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, thank goodness, that's what it was that you
were looking at instead of something else much worse.
Speaker 3: Huh, it could have been. But only place in Ohio
I've ever encountered a dog man was at Prospect Place
in Trinway, Ohio. And there again we're talking about a
spiritual being because there were five of us there, no six,
there were six of us there, and we had to
fend our cameras up because we were ghost hunting, and
we had them pointing out towards the tree line, and
the what do you call those motion sensor lights they
came on and they stayed on for forty five minutes
and there was no one outside. So my husband went
out to look and he couldn't see anything, but we
could see on the defender cam that it was just
past the fence line, standing in the trees. But he
said he couldn't see any physical being out there at
the time, so that was kind of freaky. And there
were a bunch of orby kind of lights that came
with it. They were like white, big bright orb lights
and then as soon as it disappeared, the orbs disappeared.
Speaker 2: I bet that got his motor running seeing all that.
Speaker 3: Well, he didn't see anything, he saw nothing. There were
five of us inside, he was outside, he saw nothing.
But on the camera we were looking at just massive
numbers of floating lights. And then out at the tree
you could see the two eyes and it was standing
there watching us, and he saw nothing. And then when
we went to look at the recording later, the camera
had a malfunction and it didn't record anything at that point.
So I believe it's I do believe it's a spiritual thing.
I think it can cause just like ghosts. I think
it can cause malfunctions on your cameras.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't put it past them. Yeah, I'm sure
they can do that. There's a lot of evidence pointing
towards that being a reality. Unfortunately, now there is what
your husband tells you he thinks about your dog, meaning encounters,
and then there's what you think he thinks about your dog,
mean encounters. The man watched one vanish right in front
of his very eyes. But with that in mind, some
people have experiences like that and they still explain them
away because they just don't want to believe what their
eyes have shown them. Do you think he believes you
when it all comes down to it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know he does, because on national television he
told people that he has seen things he can't explain,
and he cannot explain what happened there. He doesn't know
and there's no logical explanation for anything that happened there.
And I think on some level it scared him.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did. Yeah. Most of the true
skeptics like your husband are skeptical to the point that
they are because in a lot of cases, they just
can't handle seeing things like that. They can't handle the
reality that there are so many things about this world
that you just can't simply explain away. So I'll bet
it was hard on him.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that, because he does take it seriously. Now.
I mean, he did go out when we were a
prospect case to look for it, which I thought was
incredibly stupid. But I mean, we all saw it, but
he went out with a loaded weapon to look for
it because he didn't want anyone to get harmed, which
I guess there's a fine line between bravery and the
other thing. But he didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good thing. I'm glad he didn't. The
night that that dogged man disappeared vanish stright in front
of him. When he said, right in front of him?
How close do you mean?
Speaker 3: He was about ten feet from it. It was no
more than ten feet because he was almost up to
the tree line when it happened.
Speaker 2: Wow, ten feet away. Like I talked about his psychological makeup,
he's not the kind of person to normally deal with
an encounter, especially one like that that's that close very
well at all. How much of a an impact did
that encounter have on him?
Speaker 3: It spooked him? I mean he came back and he
didn't say anything. He just came in the house and
he sat down, he put his gun away, and he
didn't say a lot. And then I had to actually
ask him what happened, and he didn't really say a
whole lot about it. He just said he got up there,
it stood up, and then it disappeared, and he didn't
say anything else. But I'm pretty sure he was. I
know he was freaked out because he was just too quiet.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure he was. Yeah, probably more so than
you're ever going to know now after having that experience,
did that frighten him out of the woods for a time,
or was it business as usual?
Speaker 3: He actually didn't go back into the woods because that
area where we had been seeing it, there are caves
and they would go three of them. Him and two
of his friends would go into the caves and they
would try and go as far back as they could,
and he stopped. He didn't go back anymore.
Speaker 2: Well, that's understandable. It affected him that way, and I'm
also glad he listened to his inner voice. Always recommend
that you do that. It's always a good idea. Now, Nadine,
you're not ready to do this, but I hope it
helps you knowing that this morning I did something that
I love to do. I went for a walk right
and early in the woods. I was deep in the woods,
without anyone else with me, without any weapons, in the
big woods. Where this big woods here, I mean, it's
like a holiday inn for dog men, for Sasquatch. You
could have a population of dogmen in Sasquatch in there.
I mean, it's got resources galore and moving water galore,
and it'd be perfect for them. But the fact fact
that I've done this, and I've walked hundreds and hundreds
of miles in the big woods here again, without anyone
else with me, without a weapon. That's just a testament
to the fact that dog men aren't hiding behind every
tree waiting to jump out and rip us apart as
soon as the opportunity presents itself. Again, I've said it
time after time. There are dangerous dog men. I fully
believe the fact that there are deviant dog men that
are dangerous and they will kill you if the opportunity
presents itself. But I mean, the evidence has shown conclusively
to me that time and time again, these guys are
not wired by nature to be that way. Just because
you have some bad apples here and there, and not
very often at all, do you have an example of
a deviant dog man. The numbers demonstrate that well, just
because you do have a deviant dog man here or there,
that doesn't mean that they're all wired to be that way. Again,
like I said, the numbers prove that I'm not saying
saying this to try to shame you and heading back
into the woods. No, I want you when you do
eventually wind up heading back into the woods. If you
do wind up going back into the woods, that is
I should say, I want you to take baby steps
and not do that until you know you're ready to
start taking baby steps and do that. But I hope
me sharing this with you, the fact that I have
spent so much time in the woods and continue to
spend so much time in the woods again without anyone
else with me, without weapons, I hope you remember that
is something that should help comfort you with the knowledge
that the fact I'm here is a testament to the
fact that again, there aren't dog men hiding behind every
tree waiting to jump out and rip us apart, because
if that was a case, I wouldn't be here after
walking again, hundreds and hundreds of miles through the big
woods here like that. Does that make sense and also
does that help any.
Speaker 3: Yes, actually it does. I don't think I'll be going
into the woods woods for quite a while. I did
try to camp at Salt Fork a couple of years back,
and we were in a camper, and I had thought
that it was more populated than it was, and when
we got there it was not. It was a lot
of woods, and I made it through the whole weekend,
but I did not sleep well, So I technically have
been in the woods. I just didn't go far from
my campsite.
Speaker 2: Well, like I said, baby's steps, you're going to know
when you're ready to take the next step, and there's
no timeline. So many eyewitnesses feel pressure. I've got to
get back in the woods. I've got to get back
in the woods. And when they can't do that, they're disappointed.
Don't be disappointed. I mean, listen to that inner voice.
If your inner voice tells you you're not ready to
do this or do that, listen to it. There's no
shame in backing out. You're just testing your limits and
you're feeling all this out. The right timeline is when
it's right for you to take the next step. As
far as going back into the woods, that's the right time.
So please don't put too much pressure on yourself. I'm
proud of the job you've done. You've come a long
way since we spoke about two years ago for the
first time, so I think you deserve a lot of credit.
Please never forget that.
Speaker 3: Oh thanks. Yeah. I used to be able to not
talk about it without getting upset or crying because it
was such a profoundly difficult event for me. But I
came to the realization and like I said, I owe
a lot of that to you, And I think that
people who listen to your show, if they haven't come forward,
they should talk to you, because it's just it was
so stress relieving to me to start that journey to
heal to Like I said, you said these words to
me and nobody had ever said to me, but it
actually hurts you. And you know, no one said that
to me before. Everyone always gave me this, Oh, it
could be this, it could be this, it could be this,
and then just left me sitting there trying to figure
out what happens next. So if there's anyone who listens
to your show, they should reach out to you if
they have something they're dealing with like this, because they
need to get it out or they're never going to
get past it.
Speaker 2: One of the hang ups a lot of people listening
to tonight's show have about contacting me is for some
reason they think there's a requirement if they contact me,
and if I'm going to help them with their encounters,
I think somehow, some way there's a requirement to come
on show, or pressure to come on this show. Did
I ever pressure you to come on the show when
you contacted me?
Speaker 3: No? No, you did not. You actually hooked me up
with two people who had been through similar experiences and
they were very understanding and and I mean, you have
never asked me to come on the show, and you've
never said we got to talk about this. In fact,
you were the one who said to me that I
should probably deal with what's going on because it doesn't
sound like I'm comfortable talking about it. And that's again,
you're the first person who's ever said that to me.
Everyone else has always said, oh, you got to come
on and you have to talk about this. You said no.
I mean, you actually said no to me.
Speaker 2: The biggest reason why I said that is there are
people who aren't ready to come on this show. And
sure it in a public way, in almost every case
it works wonders helping an eyewitness come to terms with
their encounters. But having said that, there are people, there
are eyewitnesses who that would be the wrong move for.
So if that's a case, then I would just stonewall
that that just wouldn't be the right thing to do.
I got into this because I want to help Dogman
eyewitnesses come to terms with their encounters, and the show
is one tool of many that I use to try
to help eyewitnesses deal with their encounters. But if it's
gonna hurt instead of help, such as in your case
back then, then yeah, I'm gonna just tell you that's
not the right move to make. So, like I said, Nadine,
I'm so glad to hear that you're doing so much better.
Of course, you still are working on this, you're working
your way through all this, but like I said, you've
come a long way in as long as we can
say that, then that's a really good thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is, and I'm really doing a lot better
than I was. I did have an incident where we were.
It was someplace I wasn't familiar, and that's what made
it difficult for me was it was so dark and
I wasn't familiar with the area and we were kind
of lost. So I kind of freaked out just a
little bit on my husband because we got rerouted by
what's that map program called it's on your phones, But anyways,
it re routed us and it took us down all
these dirt roads, and the dirt roads started getting narrower,
and I kind of sort of lost it a little bit.
But thankfully he was very patient with me and there again,
my husband has has been very helpful to me with
all of this, but it took me having to have
courage to come forward and to find the right people
to talk to because some people will exploit you, but
you didn't and you really helped me. So I mean,
I'm dead serious. I'm not saying this because I'm like saying,
you know, you got to call and talk to this
guy because it shows great. That's not why this show
is what helped me call you and reach out to
you because I heard people talking and it helps you
process things. And literally, if anyone is listening to this
show and you want to talk to someone who will
take the time to listen to you and believe you
and understand, you got to pick up the phone message whatever,
you got to do it because it has really helped
my life.
Speaker 2: That's why I do this. That explains why I deal
with long hours and lack of a life and everything
like that. I mean, when I started doing this, if
I would have known what this would turn out to be,
a I wouldn't even know what to do with myself
because what it's turned into is greater than I'd ever hoped.
And as long as I hear you say things like
that another eyewitnesses say things like that, then I'm the
richest man in the world. I really am.
Speaker 3: Well. I hope you keep helping people because you have
made such a difference. And my husband sees it. The
night I walked out into the woods when we were
ghost hunting and I walked back through the woods out
into a field, I think he was shocked.
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why it would be after what
you went through. And it's funny you mentioned the night
that you got lost. I never did put this out
there for public consumption, but I think it was what
early fall last year, when I was out one morning
on one of my walks again, way out, I bumped
into two ladies who were lost. I looked way up
ahead and I see these two ladies that are just
turning in circles and looking around and they're looking at
their phones, and I thought they're lost. I walked up
to them and they were lost, so I had to
show them the way out. So it's not just you.
It happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, and I don't know. I hope a
year from now I can say that I'm more capable
of going further into the woods and being more comfortable
camping in the wooded areas. But I don't know. I
don't want to put myself on a timeline.
Speaker 2: Please don't put yourself on a timeline. And one of
the things I like so much about you is you're
testing your limits, but you're listening to that inner voice
when you bump up against the limit. There, your inner
voice is telling you, Okay, you need to back off.
This is too much, and you're doing that. So I
just love your approach to all this. I think it's great.
I really do.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I guess you have to. Really you can't
be afraid, and I think I was afraid for too
long and I needed to face what was of crippling
me basically. So yeah, I'm doing that very slowly, but
I'm doing it well.
Speaker 2: As long as you can say that, that's a great thing,
it really is. Are you comfortable talking more about that
encounter when you looked out the window that night and
it was right there?
Speaker 3: Sure? Yes. My husband was away for I believe it
was a week, and he was in the back forty
at Fort Campbell and they were training, and I remember
it was fall and we were I don't even remember
what we were watching. We went down. This was back
in the days of like block Buster and stuff like that,
when you could go rent videos. So I'm aging myself here.
Speaker 2: Okay, come on now.
Speaker 3: We went we rented videos, and we got popcorn, the
popcorn you used to make on the top of the stove.
And we were sitting there and we were watching some
movie and my girlfriend was there, and I don't know
that she really fully believed me, because would you, but
she was there and we were watching TV and Shane
had taken to sleeping in the living room on the couch.
He wouldn't sleep in his bedroom anymore, which honestly I
wouldn't let him anyways, But we were I guess it
was getting dark, and after it got dark, we started
to get a little nervous, you know, Shane and I
were really nervous, and we were not really paying attention
to the TV. And I don't remember the exact time,
but it was it was around Halloween and I guess
it was like nine o'clock at night somewhere around there.
And the first thing we heard was like noises, like
grunting kind of noises, not like a monkey, but like
dogs make sometimes they make like a grunting kind of
growly noise. And I remember like seeing shadows moving outside
the trailer and we were sitting there and the trailer,
the trailer literally was shaking. And we lived in a
fourteen by eighty trailer. And I have no idea how
much they weigh, but I don't know anything that can
do that. So it started. And then we looked over
and there it was in the window. And it didn't
seem like just an animal when you look at it,
I how don't explain that. It's like if you look
at it at a wolf, you see a wolf. This
had this intelligent kind of oh, I don't know, like
I'm going to get you, you know, kind of like
it knew what it was doing, like it deliberately was
doing this for a specific purpose, like it was thinking.
That's the one thing I remember about it. It was
highly intelligent. I could tell that. And it smiled like
like and it looked like it was happy that we
were scared. Does that make sense.
Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard it a ton of times.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it just got this look on
its face like it it was I guess in retrospect,
looking back, it was getting what it wanted is what
I see it as. But it was right there and
it started walking to the door, and that of course
we had locked the door. But what bothered me was
I don't understand how the door just pops open, and
yet the door popped open, and then it started swinging open,
and it was right there by the door. You could
see it in the window, the kitchen window, and I
did think we were going to die. I did. I
thought at any moment it was going to come inside.
And I can't even begin to imagine what the nine
to one one call sounds like to the police. They
must think we're just nuts. But they had to have
heard it. I mean, how could they not have heard it.
It was growling, and it was like enraged when it
was doing this, Like I didn't understand that, like we
never did anything to it, but it seemed to just
be constantly aggressive, like it was mad. And I remember
the funny part was my girlfriend said, it's your house,
you go close the door. And so I'm walking over
to the door and it's hanging I don't know, maybe
about ten inches open, and I had to stick my
hand out there to reach for the door knob, and
I looked over to the left and it was gone.
And then by the time the police got there, there
were no footprints. It had rained that day earlier and
there were no footprints. There was no evidence that anything
had ever happened, and the police just treated us like
we were crazy. And I don't understand how it couldn't
lean footprints. Have you ever heard anyone say that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard it who knows them many times? And
something I want you to understand the Dean these guys,
they're masters at pushing our buttons. You talked about how
angry it seemed to be. I mean, it's just textbook
behavior for these things to act totally apoplectic in situations
like that, what you witnessed and what you went through.
For anyone listening who doesn't know what the word apoplectic means,
think about halk rage. I mean just over the top angry.
That's what apoplectic means. They can act that way without
actually being angry, because it seems like they will do
anything they can to push our buttons and make us
that much more frightened, because it seems like in a
lot of ways they just might feed off of our fear.
If they are supernatural beings, especially evil supernatural beings, and
I guess there's every possibility they can feed off of
our fear. So that's just something to keep in mind.
I really don't think it was angry. I think it
was just doing that for effect, and it worked. It's
understandable why that did frighten you that much more when
it's acting that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it gets what it needs by making
you afraid. Just like you said, it's like it depends
on it, you know, because that's all it ever did.
All it ever did was scare people. And at first
we thought it was maybe we were in its territory.
But I don't think that's it at all. I think
it just lives off of fear.
Speaker 2: Literally, Yeah, they just might. And here's something also I
want you to consider. It wasn't total control when it
did all that. You know, that is until diigent as
you are, and you don't have to be half as
intelligent as you are to realize that that thing was
in total to control that night. Well, if it was
in total control, why did it pop your door open?
If it didn't want to come in and get you
and do whatever, do this and do that to you?
It could have done that if it wanted to, but
it never came in and quote unquote got you clearly,
because that's not what I wanted to do. I've got
no doubt whatsoever. That doged me and accomplished everything it
hoped to accomplish that night by doing what it did,
and that was to mortify you to within an inch
of your life. And then once it could see that
it happened, okay, well, mission accomplished.
Speaker 4: Move on.
Speaker 2: There's a reason for everything that they do, and I
think in almost every case when they force encounters to
happen the way that Dogma did with you that night,
it's because they want to get a rise out of you.
It's not because they want to rip you apart. Does
that all make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It does, it really does. I mean it literally,
it got nothing else out of it except that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, still it got what it wanted. He got
everything it wanted that night. Now, when it popped, your
door opened and you saw it standing right there, how
close would you say it was? Tia? At that point.
Speaker 3: It was a fourteen wide trailer and we were almost
over on the other side of it, so probably about
maybe fifteen feet fifteen and a half feet from us,
maybe because we're inside and it's outside standing maybe about
two feet out because the steps were there and it
was on the ground, so it had to be you know,
about maybe two feet out off to the left of
the steps. Still that's too close. That's the way too close.
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. Now, when you're sitting there looking at this
thing where its eyes locked on you were elsewhere, Yes.
Speaker 3: No, it was looking right at me. It was just
like staring dead on right at me. And it had
this intelligence about it. And that's the one thing I
always always believed. It was an intelligent, thinking, cunning type
of thing. It knew what it was doing. It planned
these things out. It wasn't just some random act of
an animal I'm running on instinct. It was way more
than that.
Speaker 2: It's good you know that because you're spot on. They
definitely are. What was the worst thing about looking out
and seeing that dog me and standing right there after
I ripped your door open that night, I thought.
Speaker 3: It was going to hurt my son. To be honest,
I mean I would I never understood the concept of
would you give your life for someone else until it
was a choice of me or my son, And I
didn't want that to hurt my son, and I would
have done anything to protect him. So I just didn't
want to lose my kids because they were everything to me.
Speaker 2: Well, thank goodness, the only thing that you suffered that
night was just trauma. I hate the fact that he
had such a traumatic experience, but that's a lot better
than how it could have turned out if that dogman
actually had it in for you in decided to hurt you. So,
thank goodness, that wasn't one its mind. And yeah, that's
a repeating pattern where it normally don't. Again, like I said,
there are dangerous ones it will hurt you, that will
kill you if the opportunity presents itself, but that's definitely
not what we're talking about here. Now, this might sound
like a strange question to ask, but can you think
of anything good that came from that experience that night?
Speaker 3: Wow? No one's ever asked me that.
Speaker 2: The reason why I ask you that, Nadine, is when
you have a horrific experience, sometimes there are still good
things that come out of that. So that's why I
asked you about this.
Speaker 3: Wow, I don't I don't know. I guess I never
thought about that. I actually I did when we moved
on Post. I met quite a few people on Post,
and because we moved in, that guy gave up his
place for us. I met people that I never would
have met, and they turned out to be some of
my best friends. So yes, that there is good that
came from that.
Speaker 2: Oh, good will either at least some positives or at
least one positive thing. If that dogged me and could
rock your trailer the way it did, what do you
think are the limits of its strength?
Speaker 3: I don't know, because, like I said, I don't think
it's a physical thing. I think it could do anything
it wants to do, if you want me to be
completely honest, because it got into a locked trailer and
with no use of force, and I mean it, I
think it could do whatever it wants to. And I
think that's part of what terrified me the most about
it was it didn't seem to have other than the door.
It didn't come in the door. It didn't seem to
have any rules that applied to it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: That does make sense? And if it is a spiritual being,
a supernatural entity, then yeah, I think most rules aren't
going to apply to it. So it's good you know
that now. You told us about how close you were
to that dog mean that night, but what about the
night when you looked into that lady's trailer and saw
the other dog man standing inside that woman's t trailer.
It was a different dogging in that night, wasn't it?
Or was it the same one that you saw right
outside your trailer after it ripped the door off.
Speaker 3: I think it's the same, to be honest with you.
But I was like literally up right on the glass.
And the funny part was I went over to see
if there was anyone in there, because my husband said
the trailer looked vacant, and I said, well, how can
it be vacant? Somebody was living there yesterday. So I
walked up onto the porch and the sliding glass doors
were what they were using for their front door, and
I walked up and I looked in and I was
literally like right on the glass. And at first I
couldn't see anything, and then there it was, and you
could see the red eyes. It just appeared out of
nowhere almost, and that's just literally a pane of glass
and it was standing maybe six feet from the glass
on the other side.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Close, yes, very close.
Speaker 2: Way too close for a comfort. Did it ever act
like it was going to rush?
Speaker 3: Yet it just stood there watching me because I backed away.
I backed away. Then I walked down the steps, and
I backed down the driveway, never taking my eyes off
of it. And I told my husband what I saw,
and then when he went up to the porch to
look in, it was gone.
Speaker 2: You poor thing. I can only imagine what you must
have been thinking at the time.
Speaker 3: I asked my husband, I said, do you think I'm
going crazy? And he said crazy people don't ask if
they're going crazy.
Speaker 2: Good point.
Speaker 3: So he said, no, I don't think you're going crazy.
I just didn't see it. But then he's kind of
spiritually dense, so that doesn't surprise me. Like in the
realm of ghost hunting. When we go ghost hunting, which
a lot of people don't believe in that either, I
will see things, I will hear things. I have been choked, scratched,
bit oh. I've been called all kinds of really nasty names.
I've had someone threatened to kill me. I'm trying to
think what else. I've had my jewelry stolen when I
was at a haunted location. So I mean, stuff just
happens to me. I don't know why, but then to him,
he'll walk into the room and everything will go flat.
So I don't know. Maybe he's a protector.
Speaker 2: He sure sounds like a keeper to me. Sounds like
a really good man and a great husband. I think
you're lucky to have him, just like he's lucky to
have you. Thank goodness or that he is.
Speaker 3: Actually he's When we went to Prospect Place, he walked
the property just to make sure that there weren't people
that we're just trying to mess with us. And he's
very protective and not just of me, but of everyone
that was on our team. And the funny part about
Prospect Place was this guy who was such a skeptic.
He spent the entire night walking the property because he
said he felt like he was being watched. And he's
the only one that had that feeling. So I know
he was put out by that. I know he was unnerved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like he must have been. I've got one
last question for you before I ask you for your
closing comments, and that is I'm sure that some of
the people who are listening to tonight's show still don't
believe in the existence of dog men and I'm sure
that's not lost on you either. But does that knowledge
hurt you?
Speaker 3: No, not really. I've had people call me crazy, that's fine,
you know. Oh I didn't believe it either, and I
don't know. Maybe it was my arrogance that caused that
to happen to me. I don't know, but I don't
care if anyone believes me, because I know what happened
and I know it's real. So hopefully they never have
to find out.
Speaker 2: I hope they never do. Also, I really do well.
Having said all that, it's about time for us to
do that. And if you're an adine, before we do, though,
do you have any closing comments for us?
Speaker 3: Actually, yes I do. There's one thing I would leave
people with. There are some things in life you should
not go looking for. You just shouldn't. It's a bad idea.
I don't care what it is. If it's like you
think you're going to go debunk a ghost thing, don't
just leave it alone. We need to be ignorant of
things like that, because once you find them, they know
how to find you.
Speaker 2: Words of wisdom. I wish more people listen to you
mentioned reaching out to me to get help for the
people who have had dogman encounters that they do need
help with. If you do want some help with your encounter,
all you have to do is to go to dogmanencounters
dot Com submit a report, and if you do that
then I'll just contact you to schedule a phone consultation
and we'll take it from there. But having said that,
thanks again so much for coming on Adine. I really
do appreciate it. I hope you just continue to get
better and better as time goes on. But please never forget.
If I can ever help you, just contact me, let
me know and we'll talk again. I'll always be there
for you.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, you've made a difference.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. Wouldn't have it any other way. Well,
having said that, thanks again so much for your time,
and have a great night.
Speaker 6: Down where the pine tree swallow up the moon. The
whipperwel stops singing way too soon.
Speaker 3: There's an old dirt road.
Speaker 6: That nobody it drives because the woods out there don't
let folks survive. Grandpa porn where the withered handboard don't
want to pass that stand. There's things in them hills
you ain't meant to see, and they sure don't care
who you claim to be.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 6: The sun drove up slow and the shadows grow. Every
porch light burns for a reason.
Speaker 1: Oh, brickle blasts gonna get you. Better not be out
there after dark. He all house, he all loudly thought,
before the dogs start marking for brittle flasks gonna get you.
Speaker 7: That's what every all time, I swear.
Speaker 1: If you hear.
Speaker 3: Limbs cracking, don't you look back.
Speaker 2: He was all already there.
Speaker 7: Some folks laugh at the story's told, call them nothing
but tales of old and they hid it down that
logging true.
Speaker 6: Nobody he heard another too.
Speaker 2: I found one boot by the old creek.
Speaker 6: Bend, broken flashlight at the trails.
Speaker 1: Daddy, no blood, no tracks, no good bye note.
Speaker 6: Just silence hanging in every.
Speaker 7: When the Christians quill, you don't read for him.
Speaker 4: He's just breath or all already hard.
Speaker 1: Brittle glass gonna get you. Better not be out there
after dark, hen house, he don't want. He'll find more.
The dogs, our barking, prickle glass gonna get you. That's
one real time squirts cry, don't you up?
Speaker 4: Was nobody knows just how oldy, some say older than
the town had said.
Speaker 6: They say every generation loses one.
Speaker 5: Or two, just enough to keep believe. Some other still
whispered to their children.
Speaker 6: Fah, there's love the doors at night.
Speaker 7: Some lets let's feet away.
Speaker 2: This one never did.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Old priscle bags gonna gets you.
Speaker 6: That's what we've all heard since we were young.
Speaker 2: Stay by the fire, or you'll hear.
Speaker 1: That brown rolling through the pines before the dawn. Old
prison bags gonna gets you. Don't matter if you pray
all round, if the words go steal
Speaker 4: And your heart turns cool song, Old princle bags song,
Already walk