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<v Speaker 1>Get twos and takeaways from the chaos after the game

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<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, the comments of Mark Harlan that are going

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<v Speaker 1>to cost him forty thousand dollars and a public reprimand

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is. I never have, but

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<v Speaker 1>Mark has been reprimanded publicly. You should all know that.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up, we have Scott Mitchell on the show today.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna play your coach witch comments. We have Kyle

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<v Speaker 1>Bonnagera from ESPN, Andy Larson as well, but Batty leadoff.

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<v Speaker 1>The man who was on the call Saturday night, Dave

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<v Speaker 1>Fleming on a Monday. Dave, Happy Monday, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? I'm good, Thank you, appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the question right off the top.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how familiar familiar you are with the

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic of Utah BYU. So I wondered what you anticipated

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<v Speaker 1>prior to the game and what you learned as you

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<v Speaker 1>called it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think I learned anything, because I do

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<v Speaker 3>think I've been there enough now over the last many

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<v Speaker 3>years to understand. I think I've only done one other

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<v Speaker 3>of these rivalry games. But you know enough familiar already

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<v Speaker 3>with both programs to know what the scene was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be. Like, I'll say this, it didn't disappoint. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I think you know, one thing about rivalry games is

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<v Speaker 3>that when one fan base is super charged and another

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<v Speaker 3>one is feeling kind of down and like things aren't

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<v Speaker 3>going our way, it can produce. It can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>go two ways. You know, Sometimes the team that isn't

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<v Speaker 3>having a great year there fans can rise up and

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<v Speaker 3>make it really feel like a special game. And sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it goes the opposite way, where you know there's not

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of a defeated mentality, but something like that. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>Utah players, fans, coaches certainly didn't let that happen, and

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<v Speaker 3>so you know, it was just a great game to

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<v Speaker 3>be a part of it. It is a people say

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<v Speaker 3>unique rivalry, and that's you know, it's just a sort

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<v Speaker 3>of a bad term to use in college football in general.

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<v Speaker 3>But there isn't another rivalry in the whole sport that

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<v Speaker 3>is interconnected as that one is where coaches have been

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<v Speaker 3>on both sides, where players and their families have been

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<v Speaker 3>on both sides. There's nothing like that in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>So it makes it different than almost every other great

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<v Speaker 3>rivalry and it makes it great what it is. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's a long way of saying it was really fun

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<v Speaker 3>to be there on Saturday night.

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<v Speaker 1>I genuinely wish I did not have to ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about the holding call, but I do because obviously that's

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<v Speaker 1>topically the big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in the market.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you kind of digest that entire thing when

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<v Speaker 1>you fans out they want then be why you got

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<v Speaker 1>a time out and you fans out.

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<v Speaker 2>They won and be while you got the holding call?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I heard what Brock had to say

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<v Speaker 1>as you walk people through the call. That replay has

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<v Speaker 1>been going all over the place in the community. But

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<v Speaker 1>what was that moment like for you and what's your

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<v Speaker 1>opinion on how it went down?

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's probably two answers to that. Number one. While

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<v Speaker 3>the whole thing is happening for us in the booth,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think, you know, and Brock shared his

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<v Speaker 3>very good, strong opinion. You know, I think that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we want all our analysts to do. Tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you see? Tell us what that is? And

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<v Speaker 3>you know a lot of guys are afraid to take

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<v Speaker 3>a stand and equivocate in that moment, and Brock did not,

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<v Speaker 3>to his credit, you know, whatever you think about his opinion,

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<v Speaker 3>that he should be given a lot of credit for that,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's what we want from our analysts on television.

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<v Speaker 3>He really did his job in a big moment, So

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<v Speaker 3>I give him credit for that. It is hard for

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<v Speaker 3>both of us, for all of us in those moments.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to do it. It's it's the job. But

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<v Speaker 3>there is so much going on. You know, first of all,

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<v Speaker 3>we're a million miles from the field where we're watching

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<v Speaker 3>through monitors and binoculars and our own eyes from far removed,

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<v Speaker 3>the producers in our ear. We got replays coming. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>There's so many things that are going on in that moment,

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<v Speaker 3>real time, with no safety net. You got to do

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<v Speaker 3>all this live, and you can mess it up, and

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<v Speaker 3>so it becomes a chaotic sequence. And I think the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that I always regret about those kinds of scenarios

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<v Speaker 3>is there just isn't enough time to reflect. You have

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<v Speaker 3>to move on. Okay, So once the call gets made

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<v Speaker 3>the BYU, then there's a near interception, there's a huge

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<v Speaker 3>pass where they have to review that. Like, we can't

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<v Speaker 3>go back and keep dwelling on it. We can't. We

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<v Speaker 3>have to follow the game. Forward, So it almost makes

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<v Speaker 3>it seem like we're dismissive of the importance of that moment.

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<v Speaker 3>We're not. We just have to We just have to

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<v Speaker 3>keep doing the job and following the game. That's just

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<v Speaker 3>the way it is, So, you know, I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>part of our challenge in any moment like that. When

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<v Speaker 3>you're broadcasting a game, is it's moving fast, You're talking

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<v Speaker 3>to the producer, how much times left? What's this, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the implication of the penalty? We have a rules analyst

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<v Speaker 3>or we're bringing him in. All this stuff is going

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<v Speaker 3>on in a matter of seconds while you're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>coherently explain to an audience at home what we're seeing,

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<v Speaker 3>and it makes for a jumbled it just you got

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<v Speaker 3>to do the best you can. The call was the

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<v Speaker 3>correct call, like if there was a hold, the timeout

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<v Speaker 3>did get signaled for before the play was snapped? Like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I just don't think those things are disputable.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess if you want to argue that, hey, the

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<v Speaker 3>holding call happened, the guy was getting sack, it had

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<v Speaker 3>no impact on the play. If you want to make

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<v Speaker 3>that argument, you can. I don't. The officials job is

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<v Speaker 3>you're watching the part of the field. That's your responsibility.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you see a penalty, you throw a flag.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that official's job. The officials job is not to

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<v Speaker 3>to try to measure well, was that a part of

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<v Speaker 3>the design of the play? Was the quarterback already in

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<v Speaker 3>so much trouble but it wasn't going to matter. That

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<v Speaker 3>is not that official job. The kid got held, he did,

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<v Speaker 3>and the penalty was thrown and the timeout was called

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<v Speaker 3>for in time. So like, I understand the sore feelings

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<v Speaker 3>of losing that game, and I understand how close it

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<v Speaker 3>was and what an agonizingly painful defeat that was. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also don't particularly think you can dispute those two things.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well said, it's pretty clear that there are some

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<v Speaker 1>people that live in this community that don't necessarily agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you, Dave, namely the head coach of Utah and

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<v Speaker 1>the athletic director of the University of Utah, who were

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<v Speaker 1>very upset after the game. Emotions definitely spill in. But

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<v Speaker 1>I always like, excuse me after the fact I interview

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<v Speaker 1>the play by play guy, because you have to hone

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<v Speaker 1>in on every play, So let me bring in another dynamic.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people throughout the course of yesterday and

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<v Speaker 1>today have brought up the consistency portion of the way

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<v Speaker 1>the game was officiated now BYU. I'm on a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of three. I come from a BYU family. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the University of Utah because I chose truth. That's

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<v Speaker 1>just a line I use, and so I get a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of BYU interaction, a lot of Utah interaction. My

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<v Speaker 1>phone was lighting up with BYU fans that were really

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<v Speaker 1>angry about the officiating in the first half, and then

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<v Speaker 1>lighting up after the game youth fans ready to find.

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<v Speaker 2>Out where the officials live.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, there was the phantom face mask call

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<v Speaker 1>on the Glasger kid, where upon replay it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>he grabbed him on the shirt. But as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the holding call, Dave, do you feel like it was

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<v Speaker 1>consistent with the way that dynamic was officiated all game long?

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<v Speaker 3>I probably just don't have a good answer for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not avoiding it. I mean, I'm willing to share

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<v Speaker 3>my opinion. I just don't you know, it's a play

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<v Speaker 3>by play guy. It's really hard for me too. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>following the ball and so I just don't feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a great sense for on the perimeter those

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<v Speaker 3>kind of plays exactly how the game was officiated. I

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<v Speaker 3>know a lot of Utah people feel like they were

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<v Speaker 3>letting players get away with stuff. But I mean, even

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<v Speaker 3>if they were, I think if you grab a guy's

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<v Speaker 3>jersey and turn his shoulders, which is what happened, now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, did the kids stumble too? Did that exaggerate

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<v Speaker 3>the way it looked to the official? Maybe it did,

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<v Speaker 3>but he grabbed part of his jersey and the shoulders turned.

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<v Speaker 3>Like whether you're letting guys get away with stuff or not,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really hard to ask an official not to throw

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<v Speaker 3>a flag when he sees that. It just is so,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't have a great answer for you

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<v Speaker 3>on the consistency of the whole game. I thought the

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<v Speaker 3>game was, you know, all college football and football in general.

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<v Speaker 3>Now is just you know, the over analysis of officiating.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times officiating is flawed. But we have

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<v Speaker 3>all these replay reviews, and the game feels so disjointed

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<v Speaker 3>at times, and the replay reviews all they do is

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<v Speaker 3>just emphasize more like individual calls. Are they getting it right?

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<v Speaker 3>Are they getting it wrong? Like it just fuels this

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<v Speaker 3>sort of snowball effect of oh my gosh, what a

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<v Speaker 3>terribly officiated game. And the reality is is just every game,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a million, there's one hundred calls in every game

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<v Speaker 3>that could go either way, and I don't believe that

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<v Speaker 3>this one really falls in that category. I think he got.

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<v Speaker 1>Held so away from the controversial elements of what happened

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<v Speaker 1>and over to kind of just more of the beaten

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask you from your.

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<v Speaker 1>Vantage point or maybe broacats and things to share about

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<v Speaker 1>what by you did at halftime as far as adjustments

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<v Speaker 1>go to really stifle a Utah offense that's been bad

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<v Speaker 1>all year but seem to figure some things out as

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<v Speaker 1>they put up twenty one all in the second quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>but they cannot do anything in the second half. Is

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<v Speaker 1>is that you know specific to what b why you

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<v Speaker 1>did at halftime to approach it differently, or did you

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<v Speaker 1>Tah take their foot off the gas something puts up

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<v Speaker 1>in the second half.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me what you saw.

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<v Speaker 3>I do think Jay Hill is really good at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if you watch BYU a lot, he is

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<v Speaker 3>good at He kind of lets the game early play

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<v Speaker 3>out and you know sometimes that philosophy can get you

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<v Speaker 3>in a little bit of trouble. I think the guy

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<v Speaker 3>with the Chiefs actually does this quite a bit Spagnolo like,

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<v Speaker 3>where he'll let a couple series go where he's not

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<v Speaker 3>calling a lot of pressures. He's kind of playing it vanilla.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think his philosophy is, even if I give

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<v Speaker 3>real strong sense of exactly how they're approaching us, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he's really confident in his ability to make those changes.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think Jay's like that. I think Jay is

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<v Speaker 3>very good at mid stream changing what they're doing. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm not going to play analysts and get

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<v Speaker 3>into like x's and oh's technical stuff. I think clearly

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<v Speaker 3>they change their looks. I think anytime you have a

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<v Speaker 3>and I say he's young, he's not young by age,

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<v Speaker 3>but by playing experience. Jay's point to us going into

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<v Speaker 3>of different looks make it complicated for him to diagnose

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<v Speaker 3>at the line of scrimmage. I think they got better

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<v Speaker 3>first half, and they missed him when they didn't have

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<v Speaker 3>him in the second half. So I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming, as all major broadcasts, do you have the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to meet with both coaching staffs pride of the game, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>Is that a correct assumption?

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<v Speaker 1>Great, Great, So let's start with the Utah coaches, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as I've been saying, well I should say over the

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<v Speaker 1>past three or four weeks, I get things wrong a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a sports talk radio show. You get paid

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<v Speaker 1>to you have opinions. Essentially, they're educated guesses. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of them are wrong. I don't know that I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>been as wrong as I've been about this Utah football team.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some of the things the coaches shared with

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<v Speaker 1>you as to why we find ourselves sitting here talking

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Kyle's really boils down to him and

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<v Speaker 3>I do agree with him. You know, Kyle's got a

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<v Speaker 3>very typical Utah team except for one aspect of the team,

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<v Speaker 3>and the total lack of passing attack has torpedoed the season.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's what Kyle believes, and I think

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<v Speaker 3>he's right in that. The defense, I mean that Utah

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<v Speaker 3>defense on Saturday was awesome. The effort level from those

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<v Speaker 3>front guys, Pillinger was incredible. I thought Lander Barton played

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<v Speaker 3>the best game I've ever seen him play. He was fantastic.

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<v Speaker 3>Reid was flying all over the place. Vaughn had some

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<v Speaker 3>huge plays like that defense play, the two defensive tackles.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Tonavas has got a chance to be one

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<v Speaker 3>of the best players in the country. He is fantastic,

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<v Speaker 3>and they just play their tails off. And the defense

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<v Speaker 3>by every statistical measure is elite again this year. Elite

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<v Speaker 3>with very little support from the offensive side of the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think you saw in the first half with

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<v Speaker 3>any element of complimentary football, even giving up a kickoff

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<v Speaker 3>return for a touchdown, Utah was in firm control of

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<v Speaker 3>the game. It's just hard to hold up when when

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<v Speaker 3>one side of the ball, and particularly one half of

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<v Speaker 3>one side of the ball just just can't do its job.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that's the story of Utah season, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's how Kyle sees it, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think he's right on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, as you referenced earlier, the cross pollination of

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<v Speaker 1>these two programs is wild. So I've been doing radio

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<v Speaker 1>in the market for almost two decades, So when Klonie

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<v Speaker 1>Satake was up here as defensive coordinator, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>weekly show with him and Aaron Roderick is actually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a lifelong friend.

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<v Speaker 2>We've known each other since we were young.

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<v Speaker 1>You referenced Jay Hill, who coached under Kyle, played at

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<v Speaker 1>you like it's wild, and of course coach Witt was

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<v Speaker 1>a great player at Brigham Young, So you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>cheer for those guys down there. I like to see

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<v Speaker 1>Kilanie have success and I hope it leads to the

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<v Speaker 1>contract that he finally deserves. But on the flip side,

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<v Speaker 1>what did the coaches from Brigham Young Dave share with

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<v Speaker 1>you about what has been an incredibly unexpected yet magical season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they I mean, and we've done a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>their games, So I've gotten to know all these coaches

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<v Speaker 3>really well over the last few years, and especially this year,

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<v Speaker 3>he know Kilani. One one thing that Kyle and Kalanie

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<v Speaker 3>both shared with us, which I thought was really cool,

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<v Speaker 3>was they both had an almost exact you know, they

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<v Speaker 3>had not talked all week rivalry week. They're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to be tied out. I think they're talking a ton anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>an off season maybe, but you know, they both had

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<v Speaker 3>almost the exact same recollection of a meeting when Kilanie

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<v Speaker 3>had just joined, like after maybe the first season he

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<v Speaker 3>was with Kyle and sort of the end of year,

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<v Speaker 3>let's decompress and see how things are going. And Kyle

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<v Speaker 3>basically said to Klannie, you have something special. You can

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<v Speaker 3>be anything you want in this business, and here's let's

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<v Speaker 3>pencil down a roadmap for you and put some goals

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<v Speaker 3>down of when you're going to become a coordinator and

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<v Speaker 3>when you're going to have a chance to be a

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was cool, Like Kyle truly had like

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<v Speaker 3>an intense mentor relationship with Kilanie and helped him get

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<v Speaker 3>to where he is. So that was a fun part

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<v Speaker 3>of the prep for this week to have those guys

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<v Speaker 3>remember those those moments together. I think Jay Hill's a

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic defensive coach, really good Aaron Is, uh, you know, Aaron,

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<v Speaker 3>like all offensive coaches, when your quarterback's playing better, all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, you look a lot better. And and

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<v Speaker 3>he's he deserves a lot of credit for helping get

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<v Speaker 3>Retzlov to the point where he's one of the better

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<v Speaker 3>quarterbacks in the league after you know, some struggles last

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<v Speaker 3>season without a whole lot around him. Uh. Kalani, you

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<v Speaker 3>know Kalanie Is, he's mister positive. He he I think

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<v Speaker 3>he really truly believes the cliche is living out this

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<v Speaker 3>year of our guys focus one week at a time,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's gonna get harder and harder for that team

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<v Speaker 3>if they stay undefeated. It's going to be really hard

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<v Speaker 3>to do. But you can't think about like big picture.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to just focus. And I think Kilanie's really

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<v Speaker 3>proud of his team for doing that. He loves his group.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been patient developing players. You know, they haven't just

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<v Speaker 3>hit the portal or run a bunch of guys out

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<v Speaker 3>or well, you know, they've been patiently building this team

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dave, before we say you lose.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've done any Buffs games this year,

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<v Speaker 1>but Utah hits the road for a really difficult game,

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<v Speaker 1>and Dion deserves a lot of credit.

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado is for real.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you give the Utza puncher's chance coming up on Saturday?

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<v Speaker 1>And did you see enough from Utah to believe that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe over the final three games there are a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of wins out there, so these upperclassmen can go bowling before.

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<v Speaker 2>They get gone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think they have. Definitely, when you have that defense,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a chance. To me, the big question is

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<v Speaker 3>kNN the offense just give them enough support to let

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<v Speaker 3>the defense win the game essentially, and I think they

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<v Speaker 3>can do it now. Colorado's super explosive, but Utah upfront

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<v Speaker 3>is a handful and Colorado has gotten a lot better

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<v Speaker 3>on the offensive line, a lot better. But when they've

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<v Speaker 3>failed in the last few years, it's been when they

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<v Speaker 3>can't protect Shador, when when he's under extreme duress, Colorado

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<v Speaker 3>that to him. So that's to be that's the formula

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<v Speaker 3>for the game. You've got to go in there, must

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<v Speaker 3>go in there and hit him a bunch of times

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<v Speaker 3>and get in his face almost every time he drops back,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're capable of it. If those big guys up

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<v Speaker 3>front can play inspired like they did this last weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>they can go in there and win. That's a big

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<v Speaker 3>if though, because it's just going to be It's I

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<v Speaker 3>don't envy the challenge of Kyle and the staff this week.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they love their players, and the players have

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<v Speaker 3>played hard, but you can understand the disappointment of that loss.

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<v Speaker 3>And we'll see how much energy and enthusiasm they can

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<v Speaker 3>carry on the road. That's going to be a massive

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<v Speaker 3>challenge because you know, if you give up a couple

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<v Speaker 3>big plays early and gets rolling it with the way

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<v Speaker 3>the season's gone, it's you know, you can't blame anybody

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<v Speaker 3>if a player now a rollover is too strong, but

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<v Speaker 3>if you lose a little bit of your fight if

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<v Speaker 3>you fall down early. So that's how they go in

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<v Speaker 3>and win the game. Can they do it? They absolutely can?

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<v Speaker 1>Dave, thank you sir, excellent job on the call. Be well,

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<v Speaker 1>have a good week. Love to do it again, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And anytime I can come back for that rivalry. Sign

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<v Speaker 3>me up. I would do that game every year. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a special thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Sir, Dave Fleming.

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<v Speaker 1>College football, baseball, golf too, does a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>For ESPN calls Giants games. Had a number of years

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<v Speaker 1>as a sub for the Warriors broadcast. I can remember

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<v Speaker 1>call them some NBA games as well