WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:19.559 At a. 2 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:28.879 Book. 3 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:28.959 If you'd like to be able to listen to the 4 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.000 show without ads and have full access to bonus content, 5 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 that's an option. To find out how, please go to 6 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:42.239 Dogmanencounters dot com forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so 7 00:01:42.319 --> 00:01:45.120 much for joining us for another livestream episode of the show. 8 00:01:45.599 --> 00:01:49.959 I really appreciate you being here. It's funny since the 9 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:52.959 past two weeks have gone by, I've gotten tons of 10 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.599 messages where people think that I just took a two 11 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:58.920 week hiatus I did hear any episodes, But that couldn't 12 00:01:58.959 --> 00:02:02.599 be further from the truth. 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Well, also to you, I want to 30 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.919 make another announcement, put something else out there for you. 31 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.120 Towards the end of tonight's show, I've got a big 32 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.960 announcement I'm gonna make, So please stick with this. Please 33 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:19.080 don't go anywhere. After we close out the recording with 34 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:24.560 tonight's guest and speaking of him without further ado, let's 35 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:29.520 get him in here now. Tonight's guest is Dominic dom 36 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:30.759 Welcome to the show. 37 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:32.759 Thanks for having me. 38 00:03:33.199 --> 00:03:36.520 Oh you know you're welcome. Dom Please give us a 39 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.000 brief bio in yourself. 40 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:43.319 My name's Dominic Jones. Live here in New York City, PA. 41 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:48.280 Used to live in Gettysburg and Harrisburg a few years back. 42 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.560 I only just started high school too, and which makes 43 00:03:54.560 --> 00:04:01.840 this whole thing even more crazy. And uh, it's about 44 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:02.240 it for me. 45 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:06.120 Yeah, you've got enough going on in your life when 46 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.280 you're starting high school. You don't need anything like a dogman, 47 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.960 a counter complicating things. That's definitely not good. 48 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:16.439 Couldn't agree anymore. 49 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:21.519 Yeah, definitely, it's understandable. Dom. Your encounter happened the week 50 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.079 of July nineteenth, of twenty twenty two. Actually at your 51 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:28.720 pop Pop's property. Is your pop pop your dad or 52 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:29.800 your grandpa. 53 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:31.920 My grandpa? 54 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:36.199 Yeah? Okay, I see were you on his property at 55 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:38.839 the time, without revealing any of the particulars about the 56 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:46.319 actual encounter itself, Yeah, in a backyard. Okay, I see, 57 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.399 if you're in the backyard, what can you tell us 58 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.079 about his property? 59 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:59.600 So on either side was the creek, and then you're 60 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:04.240 foliage and then the rest of the forest and the 61 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:10.040 back So on the right side of the backyard was 62 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:14.680 the gravel path which led to the garage, and then 63 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:17.839 heading straight from the back of the trailer was like 64 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:20.519 the main part of the woods. 65 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.000 How big was that woods? 66 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:37.240 Say, about probably about five miles out? 67 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:42.079 It had a span of about five miles. 68 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:47.680 Uh yep. And then it connected to some corn fields 69 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.319 and then into the mountainous regions. 70 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:54.480 No wonder you had a dog men hanging around? What 71 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:56.160 did you have in the way of moving the water. 72 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.839 There was mainly a dock like a boating dock where 73 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:10.360 you could store boats and you know, get him out 74 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:15.120 whenever you would like, which was the only thing kind 75 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:16.720 of cutting off the path of the creek. 76 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:23.680 Was it a fairly large creek or almost a brook? 77 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:28.360 It was so small, that's say, fairly large creek went 78 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:30.000 all the way to the mountains. 79 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.680 Well, yeah, like I said, no wonder you had a 80 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.879 dog man hanging around. From what I understand, your pop 81 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.360 pop was with you when you saw that dog man. 82 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:44.079 What kind of an effected seeing it have on him? 83 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.480 I'd say, kind of the same effect on me, except 84 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.279 I'm not sure what it was. But he seemed a 85 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:56.439 little unfazed by it, and like he kind of brushed 86 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.160 it off the come morning. 87 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:05.360 That's interesting if he was unfazed. It sure makes me 88 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.480 wonder if you might have had another experience that he 89 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.399 didn't tell you about. Did he ever tell you about 90 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:13.439 any strange experiences that he might have had that involved 91 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:19.800 a dog man? Not that I can recall now. Sure 92 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.240 it does make you wonder because seeing a dog man 93 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.160 for the first time normally has some pretty wide, sweeping, 94 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:29.560 prominent effects on how a person is going to react, 95 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.519 So that's pretty strange. You listened to the show for 96 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.519 a long time before he had that experience. Was that 97 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.600 because you believed in existence of dog men or did 98 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.399 you see the show as just a form of entertainment. 99 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.439 I used to listen. I still listen to it every night, 100 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.319 but me and my dad would actually play the stories 101 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:59.120 and fall asleep to him. But yeah, I believed him 102 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:01.839 way before the encounter. 103 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:06.959 I'm glad you did, and as you saw, they really 104 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:09.759 do exist. Do you think the fact that you'd been 105 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.279 listening to the show before you had that experience helped 106 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.519 you or hindered you when it came to your ability 107 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:16.439 to deal with it. 108 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:20.279 I'd say helped definitely. 109 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.399 Yeah. I'm sure you can only imagine, having experienced it yourself, 110 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:28.680 how traumatic it would have been if you didn't even 111 00:08:28.680 --> 00:08:31.399 know about these guys being in existence, if it just 112 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:34.720 was laid on you without any warning, that would really 113 00:08:34.759 --> 00:08:40.279 heighten the difficulty you would have had. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. 114 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:46.679 So you said that your pop pop handled it pretty well, 115 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.440 he took it and stride, and you said it affected 116 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:51.759 you pretty much the same way. Does that mean you 117 00:08:51.799 --> 00:08:58.919 never had any trouble with nightmares, any lingering effects at all. 118 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:00.320 I'd say for like the next month or base the 119 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:04.320 rest of summer, I was like way too scared to 120 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:08.320 even go outside, and like the nightmares were like horrible. 121 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:13.639 If that's the case, it did affect you pretty strongly, 122 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.480 which is to be expected. I mean, it's not going 123 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.159 to give you the warm and fuzzies to have an 124 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.200 experience like that. I'm wondering, though, now that you've seen 125 00:09:22.200 --> 00:09:24.360 a dog man with your own two eyes, what do 126 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.039 you think they are? Do you think they're spiritual beings 127 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.639 or flesh and blood creatures? 128 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:34.320 But saying they're flesh and blood just a part of 129 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.159 nature just out there. 130 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.000 You just might be right about that. It's hard to 131 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.039 say for sure. All right, don please tell us about 132 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:47.679 that encounter. Now, give us everal last detail that comes 133 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.120 to mind. All right. 134 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.320 So, earlier that week, my mom dropped me off so 135 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.080 we could spend time with my pop pop, you know, 136 00:09:57.360 --> 00:10:00.639 hang out with him, since he was going through his 137 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.759 battles with cancer. So we were dropped off so we 138 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:10.279 could just hang out. And later that week he showed 139 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:13.559 me this go cart and we started working on it together, 140 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.200 trying to fix it because it was a really old 141 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.000 old go cart. So we were fixing it and he 142 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.360 told me to go drive it around test it. So 143 00:10:25.399 --> 00:10:26.960 I took it up to the top of a hill 144 00:10:27.799 --> 00:10:32.080 that was that left of the right side of the 145 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:36.120 backyard where it was the gravel in the road, and 146 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:39.600 I was going down the hill and the brakes weren't working, 147 00:10:39.679 --> 00:10:43.559 so I had to skid to a hole. And it's 148 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:49.480 about seven thirty forty ish in the afternoon, so the 149 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:55.559 sun's just barely going down. And as I'm skidding to 150 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:00.399 the hole at the bottom of this gravel, I hear 151 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:04.200 snorting noise coming from this foliage that's about eight feet tall, 152 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:08.519 and I'm like about nine feet away, and I look 153 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:13.840 up and I just see these like the top muzzle 154 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.720 of what looks like a dog. It looks like almost 155 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.399 like a German shepherd, but its ears are perked straight 156 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:25.399 up and it has these like amber eyes. And it 157 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:30.600 was just disgusting. And the smell, the smell from the thing, 158 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:37.799 it was really bad. It smelled like garbage and like, uh, decay, 159 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:43.039 that's what smell it, Yeah, garbage and decay. And it's 160 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:47.519 just staring straight at me, and it's like ten seconds 161 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.919 of just us looking at each other, and that thing's 162 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:56.480 breathing really loudly, and then it clicks in my head. 163 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.519 Oh sorry, it clicks in my head that this is 164 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:04.080 the thing, that's the thing from the stories that I've 165 00:12:04.120 --> 00:12:07.120 been listening to. So I get up from the go 166 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.720 kart and I'm running back to the where the trailer is, 167 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.240 and I'm like screaming that there's a dog man and 168 00:12:14.320 --> 00:12:17.159 you need to look at it. So my pop Pop 169 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.480 he turns around and he he looks at this thing, 170 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.519 and it's like, I guess it was watching me run 171 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:29.120 like run straight to him, and then it starts booking 172 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:31.360 it into the woods and you could hear it. Its 173 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.919 feet had to be so massive, because every time it 174 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.759 took a step, it was like a small little boom. 175 00:12:40.399 --> 00:12:43.960 And he was talking to the neighbor about doing some 176 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:47.720 reconstruction on his house, and the neighbor he didn't see it, 177 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:52.919 but he definitely heard it too. And for the rest 178 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:57.559 of the day, I was all shook up. And that 179 00:12:57.720 --> 00:13:02.000 was basically the talk for like every conversation was about it. 180 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:07.799 Yeah, it sounds like you did have a lot to 181 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.080 talk about. How far were you from Pop Pop's trailer 182 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:11.799 when you saw it? 183 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:18.720 For the first time, probably about fifteen feet. 184 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:23.799 Oh close, You're really close at that point. If you 185 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.000 were only fifteen feet away from his trailer, was his 186 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.120 door pretty much right there, just about fifteen feet away 187 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.360 from me as well? Or was it further away? 188 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:35.879 It was a further away. 189 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.840 Because it was further away. Is that why you didn't 190 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.639 bail off of the go kart and run for the 191 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:44.840 front door or was it another reason? 192 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:49.559 It kind of just went through my head that I 193 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:52.759 had to get up and go, and I didn't want 194 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:56.120 to stay there where I was out of sight from 195 00:13:56.279 --> 00:13:59.399 where my pop pop and the neighbor were, So that's 196 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.960 why I got up. I left the go cart behind 197 00:14:01.960 --> 00:14:03.080 and just started running. 198 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:08.279 Yeah, at first I thought it didn't really affect you 199 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:11.039 all that much, but it definitely sounds like it did, 200 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.720 and like I said, also understandably so you never expected 201 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:16.759 to see something like this, even if you listen to 202 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.000 the show. You never do expect to have a dog 203 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:22.440 in an encounter until you do have one. How tall 204 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.159 would you say it was? He said that you could 205 00:14:24.159 --> 00:14:26.799 hear the impacts of its feet hitting the ground as 206 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:27.440 it was running. 207 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:34.840 Looking at the foliage, being about about eight feet maybe 208 00:14:34.879 --> 00:14:38.120 a little higher and seeing to the top of where 209 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:45.360 that thing's ears were, I'd say almost nine feet or like. 210 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:48.919 Couldn't really get a good estimate since I was sitting 211 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:49.759 down on the go kart. 212 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:54.279 Yeah, that would make it more difficult. If you had 213 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:55.919 to guess on a weight, what would you. 214 00:14:55.879 --> 00:15:03.720 Say, Well, based off the way it was running, say 215 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:11.279 definitely over three hundred pounds. That thing was booming. 216 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:15.679 If it was making noise like that and it was 217 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.279 a nine footer, then yeah, I'm pretty sure it weighed 218 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.399 quite a bit more than three hundred pounds. I wouldn't 219 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.080 be surprised if it was closer to maybe seven or 220 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:26.200 eight hundred. But I wasn't there, you were. It might 221 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.639 have been interrex sick. How would you describe its build 222 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.279 speaking of that? Was it really thin or more powerfully built? 223 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.360 That's the part I didn't really see because he was 224 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:42.519 covered up. Well, I'd assume it was a he covered 225 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:49.960 up by the brush, so all I saw was the 226 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.080 top of its muzzle. And there isn't a bear in 227 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:58.120 the world that we had in that part of the 228 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:01.200 county that would ever have a looked like that thing, 229 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.799 So I'd say it probably was muscular. 230 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.039 Yeah, that would fit the mold they normally are. But 231 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.200 then again, like I said, I wasn't there and you were, 232 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.559 there are some that are skinny, so you never know. 233 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.120 Pop Pop saw that dog me unto you said, With 234 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.879 that in mind, did he implement some new rules for you, 235 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:27.279 what you could do, what you couldn't do, to try 236 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:29.480 and keep you safe. 237 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:35.240 I remember we weren't able to go near the woods 238 00:16:35.399 --> 00:16:39.799 without him or someone else nearby, because we used to 239 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:43.919 just be able to go in there perfectly fine until 240 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:44.559 that happened. 241 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:49.440 Yeah, it definitely does compliment kate things when you have 242 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.159 a dog men running around. I know the answer is 243 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:56.120 probably no, but to be thorough, I'm gonna ask you anyway, 244 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.159 did either you or Pop Pop share this information with 245 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:01.919 any neighbors about what you had seen? 246 00:17:03.799 --> 00:17:08.480 Yeah, the neighbors came over and we were all talking 247 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:09.000 about it. 248 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:16.799 What they have to say. 249 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:23.559 I remember my aunt she said that well, she didn't 250 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:27.160 believe it, but she was on the other side of 251 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:31.599 the trailer park, so of course she didn't believe it. 252 00:17:32.079 --> 00:17:35.400 But the neighbor who was there, he said that it 253 00:17:35.559 --> 00:17:39.759 actually happened. I tried to say that it did happen. 254 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.920 My pop tried like we tried to convince the others 255 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:50.119 that it was real, but they didn't really listen. 256 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:55.319 Yeah, that's how it normally goes. If your aunt didn't 257 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:58.240 believe you and pop Pop, did that cause any friction 258 00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:01.240 between the two of them because she's calling him a 259 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:04.440 liar If he says something happened and she says, no, 260 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:05.519 I don't believe it. 261 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:13.960 I remember he kind of just said that it doesn't 262 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.200 really matter if she had believed it or not, but 263 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:21.440 he said that it happened and that he knew that 264 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:22.519 it was real. 265 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:28.720 It's really a shame when you're a well adjusted adult 266 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:31.079 and you have this experience you never asked to have 267 00:18:31.160 --> 00:18:34.039 in the first place, and then when you go to 268 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.960 tell family members and friends about it they rebuff you. 269 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.960 It really is a shame, it really is. What can 270 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.799 you tell us about Its coat. 271 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:52.559 Had like this, I'd say, like really dark brown coat 272 00:18:53.440 --> 00:19:00.240 with those like a German shepherd like a Orangish coat. Streaks, 273 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.079 like around where the top of its head would be 274 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:08.880 was that dark colored fur. And then what I'd assume 275 00:19:09.000 --> 00:19:15.119 is around where like cheekbones would be, you could see 276 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.839 something coming up of that like a German shepherd type 277 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.119 color and the rest of the head was that dirty brown. 278 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.440 What can you tell us about the length of its coat? 279 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:33.640 See, it looked really mangy, like that diseased looking coat. 280 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:37.720 Huh, Yeah, it might have had means just hard to say. 281 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.799 Does that mean that where it did have fur, it 282 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:47.880 was the same length all over its body. 283 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:51.759 Now kind of recalling it on the side of Yes, 284 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:54.160 if I was looking out of this thing's eyes, the 285 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:59.000 left side of its face had like, yes, a shorter 286 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.599 patch of hair near where its eye and up to 287 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:07.000 its muzzle would be like, that's kind of like a 288 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:13.000 just less hair there, and kind of that you could 289 00:20:13.000 --> 00:20:18.119 see some of its skin basically, especially near the eye. 290 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.680 As it was running away from you and pop pop. 291 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:25.279 What kind of an angle did it take at any point? 292 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:28.039 Was it running straight away or was it always running 293 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:28.720 at an angle? 294 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:34.519 So it was running more towards the right where the 295 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:37.319 creek was, and like heading in that direction. 296 00:20:41.519 --> 00:20:43.240 Well, it sounds like you still got a really good 297 00:20:43.319 --> 00:20:46.039 view of its backside if that's the case. Did you 298 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.720 see a tail? 299 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:54.599 Not really, because the second I guess it ran away, 300 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:56.799 I was already halfway towards the trailer. 301 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.880 Understandable, no harm there. I definitely understand it. I get it. 302 00:21:06.960 --> 00:21:10.000 If it was running away from you and you didn't 303 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.440 see a tail. This all happened in Pennsylvania, So by 304 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:17.559 chance did you notice if it had if it possibly 305 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:18.960 had a mean on it? 306 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:27.319 HM? Mean, I don't think so. 307 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:34.079 No, huh in Pennsylvania. That's kind of strange, but you 308 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.119 never know they have variances. What about its ears? Would 309 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:40.200 you describe its ears as being more in the sides 310 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:41.880 of its head or on top of its head? 311 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:45.160 More of on top of its head? 312 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:50.559 Yeah, that fits for a chiline type dog. 313 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:50.839 Man. 314 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.359 I guess I shouldn't put words in your mouth, though. 315 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.359 How would you describe its leg structure? 316 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:00.000 It's oh, could you repeat that real quick? 317 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.720 Sure, no problem. How do you describe its legs structure? 318 00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:07.079 In other words, would you describe its legs is being 319 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.039 more like that of a dog's back legs or a 320 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.519 human's back legs or human's legs? I should say. 321 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:22.160 That part I also didn't see, but based off the 322 00:22:22.160 --> 00:22:29.279 the tracks I saw the next morning, say probably the 323 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:30.839 dog legs. 324 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.839 So I definitely was a canine type, well canine type 325 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.920 with ears on top of its head, digitigrade style legs. 326 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:44.400 That does fit they both do. After that experience, were 327 00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.119 there any times when, maybe late at night, you heard 328 00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:50.640 some sounds that didn't fit, didn't sound like an ordinary 329 00:22:51.079 --> 00:22:52.160 run to the mill animal? 330 00:22:54.720 --> 00:23:00.599 Oh, eleven, I remember eleven thirty five. I really couldn't 331 00:23:00.599 --> 00:23:03.799 sleep that whole night. And I was in the living 332 00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:10.640 room and the window that was facing towards the like 333 00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:15.920 the side of the trailer. There was something at like 334 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.279 walking around and at the window, and you could hear 335 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:24.759 it grunting and like just you could hear the gravel 336 00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:29.880 being shifted and then like onto the grass part, and 337 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.640 then it would come up more to like the front 338 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:37.599 of the house, no, not house trailer, more to the 339 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:40.559 front of the trailer, and then back to the window. 340 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.480 Speaking of it running away like you just touched on there, 341 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.240 that brings up another good question for you. What kind 342 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:53.880 of substrate was it running on as it ran away? 343 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:57.000 In other words, what kind of ground surface was it 344 00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:57.480 running on? 345 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:07.000 It was like for me currently like the high brush, 346 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:12.000 and it's a kind of wetter ground. 347 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:17.599 Well, if it was running through brush like that and 348 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:21.319 fairly wet ground, then it must have left some prints. 349 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.200 Did you ever go through that area to look for 350 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.079 Prince yep. 351 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.359 Immediately in the morning, I told my pop that there 352 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:34.119 was something that was running around that night. We went outside, 353 00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:39.640 we saw tracks like in the more of the grass 354 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.200 and the like, not too much of the gravel, but 355 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:47.960 it had definitely been disrupted of such, and we started 356 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.759 following it back through the brush where I saw it 357 00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:55.440 originally and he had saw it. At first, I didn't 358 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.880 want to go in because I thought something bad might happen, 359 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:03.799 but we pushed through the brush and we find the 360 00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:08.359 prints on this thing, and even now looking back, that 361 00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:12.880 thing's feet had to be like three times three times 362 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:16.160 the size of my hand alone. We followed it to 363 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:23.279 the creek, and about quarter of a mile out we 364 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:29.559 find a deer that had been completely just mauled, like 365 00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.960 parts of where its rib cage would be were just 366 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:40.599 chunks taken out, and from its chest down to more 367 00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:46.359 of like its waste area had been destroyed and tossed 368 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.279 around near the creek, and like chunks of it were 369 00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:54.880 just everywhere, and its throat was still intact, which, man, 370 00:25:56.000 --> 00:26:00.960 it couldn't have been any animal that I know that 371 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.559 does that, because there was no wild dogs around that area. 372 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:09.079 The only the biggest animal I saw around there that 373 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:13.160 wasn't that thing was a fox, and to see that 374 00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:18.400 deer like that, we immediately turned back and we did 375 00:26:18.440 --> 00:26:22.880 not want any part of what we assumed was actually 376 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:23.720 at that creek. 377 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.599 If you found those prints like you did, what more 378 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.359 can you tell us about how those prints looked? I 379 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.640 guess I should probably preface this before I ask you 380 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.240 to do that, so that you know, any quadrupedal animal 381 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:47.720 that walks in a digitigrade manner, deer, dogs, whatever, that 382 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.000 walks on all fours, that walks on its toes, the 383 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.400 very front prints that it leaves are always bigger than 384 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:58.680 its rear prints. If the animal is a quadruped that 385 00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:03.519 walks planta grade, then the back feet the back prints 386 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:07.440 are bigger than the fronts. But having said all that, 387 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.160 understand that the biggest prince that a wolf has ever 388 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.240 left were five inches wide six inches long. Their prints 389 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:19.000 are more elongated in appearance than a dog's prints are going 390 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.960 to be, for example. But with that in mind, how 391 00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.839 do you describe the size of these prints? And were 392 00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:27.759 there any particular features about the prince that stood out 393 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:28.640 besides that? 394 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.960 Well, I'd definitely say the prints were like deep in 395 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:41.480 the earth, like the ground, if you will, like very deep, 396 00:27:42.680 --> 00:27:45.599 and I think now if I was to put my 397 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:50.160 hand in it, it would be probably about a foot 398 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.640 wide or no more than a foot wide, probably a 399 00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:57.839 foot and a half wide. Oh, I'll also be in 400 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:05.960 like it's really hard to describe, but just these massive 401 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:15.039