Speaker 1: We're all owned by the syndicate Body and Soul or
should I just say Bunny.
Speaker 2: Hello, Filthy movie lovers, Something weirdos and anti Criterion Bros.
To the forty second episode of The Sin Syndicate, where
sinnyst's fear to tread and even the bottom of the
barrel might contain Someone's Favorite Production. My name is Gentry Austen,
writer and researcher, and I'm here with my co host,
adult film historian Casey Scott, And in this week's episode,
we are throwing a slightly premature celebration of our one
year anniversary of being part of the Antenna Empire as
I call it, or more specifically, the Someone's Favorite Production
podcast network, led by Ryan Verel and Will Dotson, and
we have Ryan with us this week. He's going to
join us for the duration. So we are going to
talk a whole bunch of stuff, but mainly we are
going to cover our five most wanted not on home
video or most wanted.
Speaker 3: Our top five movies that are sexpotation or Sexpotation adjacent
that need an upgrade to.
Speaker 4: HD in four at least a modern release.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, past the DBAT, past DVDs. Yes, if it's
been if it's only come out of VHS or DVD
or sometimes even streaming only. In some cases it needs
a physical yes.
Speaker 4: Or something that's not English friendly. I think I got
one of those that too.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, because yes, there are Blu rays in other
countries that are not English friendly. So we're gonna be
We're gonna be America.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we need English speaking releases, just you know, for
our own libraries.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about if out of print is in
the running, but I thought we decided not really right.
Speaker 4: I didn't go for anything like that, but I.
Speaker 3: Didn't think there's too much stuff that has never upgraded
from VHS that Yeah, I had no problem picking stuff
that is, yeah, gathering dust at like a Salvation army somewhere.
That's our table set, Ryan, But welcome to the dungeon.
Speaker 4: Glad to be tortured.
Speaker 2: Let's do no.
Speaker 3: Yes, Alex is not here too, with his with his
writing crop, so yeah, you're you're it's an easier visit.
Speaker 4: We can postpone until Saturday if we need to, right, right.
Speaker 2: Let's do a few news and updates real quick before
we get into our top five picks. We were recently
on the two in the pink Ou podcast. That's a
nice segue. They are recent additions to the Someone's Favorite
production podcast network.
Speaker 4: Those guys are incredible.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, they're very close friends of ours. We
talk with them almost every day. So it was like
just hanging you know. I think that was a two
and a half hour podcast, which is a good length.
Speaker 3: Yes, and a lot of Yeah, I don't know, we're
all we're very passionate about these things, and so uh yeah,
it's a lot. A lot of it was. It's it's
kind of good because like we're trying to we all
have some of some of the same thoughts and so
we're trying to say some of the same things at
the same time. I don't think we ran into that
too much of that. I was worried about that for
their editing.
Speaker 2: Was got talking over each other.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I tried to not do that as much,
but you know how difficult others me to not do.
Speaker 2: So Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great. It was fun and I finally
got to expel some of my Roman porno love, which
I can't do on this podcast. We don't really cover it.
I will do it until like I do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, news, But I was able to name.
Speaker 3: Drop like my favorite actresses and some of my favorite films,
and they brought up some other films that I'm like,
oh yeah, I need to take a shot. Every time
I say, oh, I've downloaded that, I need to watch it.
Oh yeah, So I think I said it at least
fifteen times.
Speaker 2: It's another T shirt idea.
Speaker 3: Right, I have a downloaded I need to watch it.
That's not bad?
Speaker 2: Is that anti physical media? I don't know.
Speaker 4: These things aren't when you're a historian. Now, when you're
a historian and you gotta you gotta watch it for
an upcoming commentary so out.
Speaker 3: There, Well, yes, that's very true. My ratio on so
I'm agatting right now is rough?
Speaker 2: Are you talking from an sperience recently?
Speaker 4: Ryan, Not at all. I was about to throw out there.
I almost feel like my version of that would be,
oh yeah, I got that from ray Lust or something
like that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very must takes too long for me to download.
Thank God for some of the god Yeah yeah. But
I feel like a lot of people are using it
as much because I feel like there's not a lot
of seeds on there. But when it's free, Leach. I
grabbed all the Roman porno I could and now it's
all now it's all backed up. I don't have time
to watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were on that episode. Go listen to it.
It was a fun time and nothing else really to say.
Just go listen to it. Those guys have been like
putting out. I don't think they're really on a schedule.
They just put stuff out as soon as they recorded,
which is very funny to me.
Speaker 3: I know we're so regimented. Yeah, we are type a personality. Yeah,
I need a little And actually that's why that was
an interesting experience because I was like, there's no notes.
I was just like I took some took a few
little notes here and there, but it was all very
very free flow and stream up consciousness, very different from
our show. So a nice little break.
Speaker 4: It does make their show quite accessible though, too, especially
if you've never listened or seen anything from that genre.
It is very easy to jump in and just kind
of hang out with two people that love this stuff.
And I mean every single one of the episodes is
like you, as a listener show almost be taking notes.
You've got references all kinds of things that you're going
to be dying to see now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, And I will say it was something that
I did. I started doing was once I started buying
these movies and finding places to download them, I started
watching them so I could actually listen to the episodes.
But there are some episodes where like I can't find
these goddamn movies and they bought like the vhs from Japan,
and I have to listen to the episode. So, you know,
luckily they do a really good job of We didn't
do a good job of covering synopsies of those two
movies on our episode. We just launched right in, but
they typically do a great job at it. We did not.
We were just too hyper and excited to be on
a call together, so we just kind of launched right in.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's true. We have a email here from
a listener. I wanted to kind of throw your way, Casey,
to see what you think. This is from William Murra.
He said, I'm going to just quote it, so in
response to our commentary track on The Lustful Turk, they said,
I think it does appear to be Michelle Triola as
the belly dancer in that movie. He says, when you
started discussing this is another Byron made movie, Half the
Action hardcore movie from nineteen eighty. It says on IMDb
that the plot of that one is a satire of
the court case between Michelle Triola and Lee Marvin. They
have not seen Half the Action this writer, but yes,
I have seen it. Anyway, the commentaries were very good
on this blue So I saw that IMDb trivia, but
I think that was added recently, because I'm pretty sure
that I looked at that IMDb, as you know, after
I watched that movie, and I don't remember seeing this.
This is kind of crazy. Have you heard of this
court case?
Speaker 3: Yes, because she was like his It was very it
was very like she was like the she was like
his common I think the case was he was trying
she was trying to say he was his common law wife,
or she was his common law wife. Remember if you
mentioned that. I don't recall, but it's I mean, but
I did mention that she was kind of the common
law wife of a wife of Dick Van Dyke. For
decades after Lee Marvin, even though Dick van Dyke was
legally married to somebody else, he still would show up
on red carpets with with Michelle Triola randomly, I don't
going by going by visuals, I don't think it's her.
I think this is a really fascinating coincidence though, because yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Buyer maybe directed a movie that might have been a
satire of her real life. That doesn't necessarily mean that
she was in Lustful Turk.
Speaker 3: No, I mean it's I mean, yeah, it's it's porno.
They're gonna especially that movie is like cheap Jack Porno,
so like they're going to try to do it. It
came out the same year as like Sissy's Hot Summer,
which is supposed to be like oh no, there's a
one Way at a Time, which is like one day
at a time spoof. And yeah, there's like, yeah, cheap
Jack Porno is going to spoof anything, including stuff in
the in the papers. I just think that's very it's
a very interesting coincidence though, But I don't think she's
in that. I don't think she's in Lustible Turk. I
will stand by that because just going by visuals of
what they both looked like in nineteen sixty seven sixty eight,
that dancer, it has much more of a like rotten
apple face. Seltriola was much more pretty than that belly dancer.
Sorry belly dancer, she's not. Yeah, that was a that
was a weathered belly dancer. And Michelle Triola at that time,
she was with Lee Marvin. I'll say, there's no reason
for her to be in that movie as a belly dancer.
I think that's insane. Yeah, she was like, she was
like getting gigs doing like nightclub singing. She was a
singer and an entertainer. There's no reason for her to
show up in that movie. So I don't know. It's
a strange coincidence though, Yeah, I I I appreciate that.
I appreciate him flagging that because that is such a
weird little connection.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be clear, Michelle Tyel is not credited
in Lustful Turk. She's not even in the press book
that that does list some pseudonym pseudonymous names. So what
you see on IMDb and you know TMDb and letterbox
that lists her, that's not coming from any official materials.
Speaker 3: That's just it's coming from that interview where he said
she was the star of the movie, and that was it.
Forget the real name of the star of Lustful Turk,
but her name was similar to that it was Michelle something. Yeah,
it was like it was a Michelle, like an Italian name,
and and the story he told about her was clearly
not her. It was like this, you know, blonde, blonde
hippie chick who got prison time for trying to smuggle
pot back into California from Mexico. So like that was
not Michelle Tariola. So yeah, the confusion is there. Unfortunately,
as we often note, everyone is dead, so we really
cannot get we really can't get any firm confirmations. So
Michelle Triola also, yeah, just passed away a couple of
years ago, I think, yeah, not even that long ago.
Speaker 4: I'd also hope people that are listening to commentaries understand
that most film historians are not turning to IMDb for
answers of cast members. IMDb classically very accurate, right casey.
Speaker 3: Yes, No, we're actively trying to confirm IMDb. That's how
we kind of That's how I was able to confirm
that William L. Rose and Werner Rose are not the
same person through actual research and researching these two different
people with very different backgrounds, like IMDb is not necessarily
to be trusted.
Speaker 2: Well, especially for sexploitation, because yeah, if you're covering a
you know, a popular movie from nineteen eighty from a
major studio, sure you can go to IMDb and it's
gonna be probably one hundred percent accurate, right because there's
studio records and stuff, right.
Speaker 4: But also anybody can update it. It still may not
be accurate. Like anybody can go there, That's true.
Speaker 3: The trivia when they say, like crewe verified to completed
or cast for everybody to be completed, then they really
won't let you fix it even if there is an
error on it. And I'm just like, well, this person
was dead when this was made, so this crew is
not accurate. Yeah, this does not make any sense. So yeah,
it's it's like they it's it's like Wikipedia before Wikipedia,
and it's been around longer than Wikipedia. Anybody can say
anything like I like, I will own up just to
uh to saying that Peter Woodcock was ROBERTA. Finlay under
a pseudonym when I was in high school. I just
changed it and said, yeah, this is sever ROBERTA. Finley movie.
I'm just gonna change it.
Speaker 2: It's fact.
Speaker 3: No, it was not fact. I changed that back really
quick after I interviewed her in two thousand and five
or whatever.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this casey, I didn't know this was all.
Speaker 3: I also that Robin Boujie probably hates me. I said
that Robert Kerman was the star of The Girl Grabbers
in nineteen sixty eight because a guy in the trailer
looked like him. I hadn't even seen the movie. So
he wrote the box copy for Google Grabbers and said
Robert Kerman was in the movie. And I was like, well, Robin,
you saw, you watched the movie, you would know if
it was Robert Kerman or not. But his comtalk cop
is just like he went by IMDb, which I stupidly.
Speaker 2: Said, Well, and that's the case with Peter wood You know,
if you go to cult Pics right now and you
you know, look up the Peter Woodcock movies, it says
Peter Woodcock aka ROBERTA. Findlay or something like that. Wow.
Speaker 3: So I have read a Bennett moment, except nobody knows
that I did it because I didn't say it on
a comicsary like a certain someone. Yeah, who listens to this? No,
I'm kidding, this is right.
Speaker 2: This is a very honest and open moment from you, Casey,
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We all make errors. What was another error? I said,
Oh that I once said that this is based on
Red Rose is a passion. I thought that Lorraine Claire
was Ara Stromberg from vimpiros Lesbos. Oh yeah, And I
was like, oh, yeah, I don't know what she was
doing in New York, but yeah, Ava Stromberg and I
actually messaged Michael Bowen it was like, do you know
anything about this? Listen? She was never, in any not
fully developed exactly my thought of love enow fully developed.
I was in high school when I did this.
Speaker 2: Shit, So that's what just excited. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was very excitable. And I actually hadn't had my
feet on the ground interviewing people and verifying you know,
sources and stuff. So and now that stuff has a
life of its own now like twenty six years later.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, thanks for the email, keep them coming,
Thanks for listening to our commentaries. Like I said, we
love commentaries and we hope that other people do. Let's
move on quick notes. If you've been kind of following along,
you know that I'm working on a project involving Annie Bell,
the French actress. She was in a bunch of European
cult movies. I guess you could slightly say sexploitation movies. Yes, absolutely,
I made a little video essay. I'm trying my hand
at doing that. I had a little bit of help
from Alex DeSanto who went over this with me last night.
He got the world premiere and he was like, do this,
change this, extend this, and so I made all these
edits and I released it today. Because if you're keeping track,
this is going to segue into our next little note here.
There is a sever in sale going on and they
announced that they're doing a UHD upgrade of a movie
that Annie Bell is in called Absurd. It's a Joe
Tomato film that had gotten a UHD upgrade over in
Region B with eighty eight films, but Severn is doing
their version, and they're releasing a cute little pin with
it of Annie Bell, not oh yeah, her appearance in
the movie. It's a version of Antie Bell from a
different movie. But anyways, Yeah, I wanted to do something
to kind of commemorate that release, and uh yeah, I'm
going to put it in the show notes. Go check
it out. But I think it turned out pretty well.
So yeah, as we mentioned there is a seven in
summer sale on the weekend here that we're recording this.
It's Friday night that we're recording. What do you think,
casey seventy five percent off sale? What do you think
about the picks?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 3: I think I told you that this feels like a
photocopy of the last sale that they had last year,
because it's a lot of the same titles on sale
again and including titles that I definitely bought on sale
that time. And I'm like, well, you know me too.
There's definitely some ones that I would recommend if people
don't have I think you definitely have to grab Wild Wire,
World of Jane Mansfield, Horrors of Spider Island. I think
the Manda Fred Amanda Bizarre Early Frosts, the Pressy double
Feature and Echo and the Forbidden Same Thing where those
are cressy things, Cries of Pleasure, which is a really
terrific underrated Franco Golden Films. It's very sex heavy, but
let me tell you, there is something incredibly hypnotic and
mesmerizing about how that all comes together.
Speaker 2: Because it's his longest takes. Yeah, I think it.
Speaker 3: Takes so it really draws you in it's you feel
like you're in the room with these people. It really
draws you in with the characters, which is shocking to
me because like Franco with long take Seccines sounds like
a real chore. And so when I watched this, I
was just like, oh my god, I can't believe how
good this is. Yeah, that's really good. There are some
other single releases of stuff that are in box sets.
The Nunsploit Take the Nasty Habits box set actually sucks.
The only good one in that is Story of a
Cloistered Nun, which is on sale. That is absolutely amazing.
That is like a top five etation movie for me. Well,
it's Catherine Spock is absolutely sensational in it. Yeah, that
one's really good. And there's the Manuel ones. Yes, Susy
Candle's great in it too. Yeah, it's it's real story
of closer done. Is that one blew me away? I
loved it. There's some Emmanuel ones that are on sale,
but just get censor World of Black Emmanuel. Escape from
Women's Prison is not in the Black Emmanuel, and that
I do like that is like a sleazy gross that's
the Allian uh, you know, Women in Prison movie. I
do like that one quite a bit. The two Caligula's.
I've not seen the Caligula and Messalina, but Caligula the
Untold story is great. And that's my queen. Laura, Laura,
Laura gemser quite And I explained this to you because
she is a gem to me, She's my diamond. So
I know it's gemser. I pronounced it gemser. That's my
little quirk.
Speaker 2: I've heard both ye leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will do what I want when it comes
to Laura, And she's never going to hear this or
care anyway. So and I think that's a mandable orders
on sale pass. You don't need that. And by let
the demon of incest is garbage too. So those are
the sexploitation ones. I wanted more Francos for seventy five
percent off. I know that a lot of them are
fifty percent off.
Speaker 2: Like what you're looking for?
Speaker 3: All of them? I need, Oh God on the Inconfestable
Orgies of Emmanuel, sexual story of Oh Cecilia Dead Cecilia
is like a seven year old blu ray at this reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah they should be seventy five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that thing is years old. There is a Felicity
also years old. There is no reason why that shouldn't
be seventy five percent off.
Speaker 2: That is yea.
Speaker 4: So the reason I guarantee you, I guarantee you these
still sell very well, so they feel no motivation to
discount them more. The ones that are discounted high, they're
probably just hidden. Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, no, you think the felicity that Australians exploitation movie
is selling very well.
Speaker 4: Literally just the cover art on that draws a lot
of people in and then most of them never watch it.
Speaker 3: That's a good sign for sexploitation. Then if you just
need a good cover, okay, get on a girls, you
can put out this movie with Glory Glory in and
who people don't even know in America, but she's great. Yeah,
there's just a lot that I and like black leather whatever,
black leather, black boots or whatever. I don't have that.
There's Yeah, there's a lot of composeexual with a geta.
I don't have a lot of them. I don't have
because I was broke for years and now I finally
have money and I'm like, okay, let me backfill, and
my greedy ass wants more. Seventy five percent off. I'm sorry,
especially if it came out, especially because licenses are typically
five years, so we're looking at stuff from unless they're
renewing the licenses, which I guess for European is much
easier than doing it for like MGM. MGM loves to
just do five and that's it and then they move
on to whoever. That's why you have stuff coming out
from like Keno Criterion, you know Arrow, you know whoever.
European licenses is probably better about that.
Speaker 2: Have you run into that, Ryan, Have you dealt with
any like outside US licensing?
Speaker 4: Not a ton yet a little bit. The biggest thing, though,
is we're just going straight to the filmmaker, And I
kind of think that's what a lot of the future
of this is going to need to be is not
as many studio films and really finding the gems of
great movies that don't have modern releases and find somebody
that's willing to say, oh, yeah, you can sign this
for six years and if you're kind to us, yeah
we'll extend. No big deal here.
Speaker 3: We go absolutely absolutely. And you guys are thinking you
can Ryan, you can cut this. Of ryan'says to cut this,
I think you guys are getting like all rights, correct,
so we're talking home video in addition to other all
non theatrical, right, so you're trying to get these movies
in front of as many eyes as possible and as
many markets as possible, which I think or.
Speaker 4: Not worldwide too, worldwide, all digital, all theatrical, all home
video on most of our films. There's only a couple
of things that we don't have all of those. Yeah,
that's me.
Speaker 3: That's great. So, like you were, I mean, just for
anyone who's maybe not familiar with all the non THEOSTCA,
we're talking education, we're talking cruise ships, we're talking hospitals, prisons,
u ranch buses, trains, yeah, all that stuff. Because I
worked in yes, yes exactly, museum screenings. Yes, So like
that is major and so major. Kdos to you for
securing all those because yeah, it's it's it's it's good
to kind of pursue any avenue you possibly can.
Speaker 2: A lot of things.
Speaker 3: Are like found money too, because you know, people don't
consider them necessarily for good outlets for income, but they
are good outlets for income.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the sale. But yeah, there's a box set
sale tomorrow, and then I think, uh, Sunday is the
UHD Upgrade sale box sets. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I still haven't finished my Central World that I bought
last year and it's still not finished. I have all
the folks, all the all the of what all the
worlds were ours, the full core of volume two. I
have Game of Clones. They're all sitting there. Crocodile pile, Yeah,
I have a pile. I have Club Super eight. I
have deaf Crocodile. I have vinegar syndrome.
Speaker 4: Internally, we call it a deaf crocod pile.
Speaker 3: By the way, that's really good. Okay, Yeah, I need
to finish the day. I need to finish the DAFA
Fairy Tales box. The boxes great, the finish box that
I was recommended.
Speaker 4: The I was gonna bring that up tonight. Have you
guys seen the Tulio films that we put out through
Deaf Crocodile.
Speaker 3: No, but you're so social media person recommended it to
me and he suggested that we cover it. So I
bought it and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna watch this
and we'll see because we did Swedish you know, why
not you finish?
Speaker 2: Wait? They recommended it. They recommended it to you because
it's like sexploitation really there.
Speaker 4: Yes, there are two filmed well technically all three are
kind of at least in that arena. But what's really
interesting at the box set is the third film in
the box set is a remake of the first film
in the box set, and they're very like drastically different.
One is very like almost like a slightly pre code
feeling a little bit. It's very black and white, very
well made, a little bit of nudity and more of
like a traditional scandal in a way. And then the
third film is just like we're this is not a spoiler.
It happens like three minutes into the movie. They're literally
like castrating reindeer on film in this movie. And then
there's like raucous exploitation throughout half the film and it's
colorful and shocking and like disco meets pre code plus
actual sleeves and it's so it's a crazy great box set.
Love those country it's finished.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, which I learned that Scandinavia does not claim
Apparently they don't. They don't care for Finland. It's yeah,
I thought was very strange they don't claim, they don't
claim Finland. I was like, wait, isn't Sweden, Norway, Finland
and Denmark? And they say, no, you drop Finland, that's Scandinavia.
It's like, oh, okay, interesting, apparently there's history there. I
had to be educated by a Norwegian person. No, don't
we don't. We don't claim them, don't don't lump the
fins in with us.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, are you sure this wasn't just
one particular prejudice.
Speaker 3: I had a friend of mine who was also the
British slash Danish, who also confirmed this. His father is Danish,
and he was like, oh, yeah, no, don't bring up
the fins. I'm like, what the hell happened here? And
apparently there's a big Wikipedia article article about it. I
was like, listen, I'll just I'll just believe you whatever
you know. No, no skin off my ass. I like
all of the I want to go visit all those
countries so I could care less. But I color me
a fan of all but yeah, I and actually deaf crocodile.
The funny thing was they had that massive sale and
they were behind on mailing stuff, and I was perfectly
fine because I god, I think I spent a fortune
on that sale, and because it was, and I bought
a lot of stuff. I typically don't buy stuff blind,
but the trailers that they do do an amazing job
of selling shit that you have never ever heard of.
And so I was just like, Okay, I need a
Savage Hunt of King Sek or whatever, like I need
Adella whatever, Like yeah, I need I need the Soviet
animation thing, like I went nuts. I bought all of
that stuff of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we get a few people. I've got a friend
of mine in Germany that's cutting some of them now
and he's he's gonna he's gonna impress some people. But
the hard part is we don't even have trailers for
every film, and I'm like, guys, we're slacking a little bit.
If you did, like these movies are genuinely masterpieces. People
just have never heard of them, and if you show
them twelve seconds, they're gonna want to buy it. Come on,
we got to do this.
Speaker 3: Right right, well, yeah, like I keep a master list
of everything that comes out in twenty twenty six, every
boutique label, and Jesus, I know I'm insane.
Speaker 4: So basically, like I've heard you bring that up wild.
Speaker 3: Oh it's really nuts so and I do it in
order of release, non alphabetical, so I'll add to it
as stuff gets announced. And I actually I will spend
Saturday mornings going through the disconnected Instagram and just clicking
through images like okay, okay, Warner Archive, Okay, new Wave video,
okay this, and I'll add it to my my Google doc.
But I will bold stuff. I will put stuff in
bold if it's stuff I need to buy. And the
funny thing is for Deaf Crocodile, every time there's an announcement,
it goes bold. After I watch a trailer, I'm like, okay,
I don't know what this is. I like kracketit. I'm
just like, I watched the trailer and I was like,
holy shit, I absolutely need this. So yeah, there is
no way I'm missing this. And that's streaming on two
B randomly, which I'm just like, okay, get go on
Deaf Crocodile. Let's get some stuff on streaming to test
drive because I like test driding stuff. But if I'm
not able to test drive it, those trailers will and
Dead Mountaineers Hotel, I need to get to that movie.
Speaker 4: If people have never seen Dead Mountinear's hotel. It is
one of the most interestingly shot films that you're probably
gonna at the end still say, well, that was incoherent,
but it's still just a blast to be able to see.
And there are shots in that that they it's first off,
it's this like beginning of the Shining. It's basically a
hotel out in the middle of the Alps in these
mountain salt snowy, gorgeous shots of course, and then they
take a shot where it's basically like a murder mystery
feeling thing, and they'll shoot down towards the hotel from
outside through a corridor, across a courtyard and into a
room on the other side of that and zoom in
the whole way and you see a couple of people
walk by and they're following somebody, and the tracking shot
is literally like hundreds of feet away and still just
gorgeously perfectly set up. And I really want to see
what they did, like to plan out the blocking had
to be insane. I cannot imagine how they made that movie.
Speaker 3: I know, and that well, and then I know Tomorrow
just sold out that limited edition and that was and
that's something that I will say listeners, if you're sleeping
on deaf crocodile like I did. I was like, that
won't sell out. It's sold out, so now I have
to get the freaking standard edition or pay a lot
of money for for a dinged copy if one shows up.
That's another good one, the dinged copies. I got dinged
copies of that Trulio set, and I was like, these
are gorgeous. These are not dinged. Like that's the best secret.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 3: You yeah, right, yes, I'm just like, yeah, that's the
best kept secret. I think if someone's selling something dinged,
it's usually because I think some people are complaining about
a ding that's not there, or you guys have or
the company has been really overly careful because they know
how anally retentive there's that customer base is, literally And
I'm just like, I am not. I got dings and
rips and shit all over the place. I could care less.
Speaker 2: So that that Dead Mountaineers one. I heard a lot
of hype about that. Is that doing? Can you say?
Is that doing pretty well?
Speaker 3: Ryan?
Speaker 4: Uh, here's the funny thing. It's done pretty decently. Theatric
on home video, it is not sold anywhere near as
well as we had hoped for. It is just an
amazing release, but I think people are a little intimidated
by that. And of course a few years ago there
was a German media book of it that came out
and a lot of people got it because the iconic
poster that you might remember of I think it's a
full head or a skull and it's got a big
plug going into the back of it. People just love
that image and they bought it. And unfortunately they're like, well,
already go on the movie. That blu ray looks like
absolute dog water. This new four K restoration is mind
blowing and the movie is astonishing, great extras, The booklet
in it is just incredible. Yeah, people are sleeping on
it and we got a lot of copies left.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's on my list. I need to like, well,
now that I'm not that impressed with the Severn sale,
I might be heading over to Death Crocodile and and
it's a backfill cause yeah, I'm trying to stay on
top of twenty twenty six releases, specifically because when we
did your show last year and we went over like,
so what are you watching? What were you favorite? Thanks
to twenty twenty five, and I was like, I didn't
really buy an enough. So now I'm trying to stay
on top of stuff that I would want, you know,
to the detriment of my bank account.
Speaker 2: But that's a statement. I don't know if we hear
that often I didn't buy enough on uh you know,
I didn't.
Speaker 3: Typically i'll backfill for on sales for stuff that came
out like five six years ago, because that means that
it's probably going out of print. But now I'm trying
to be more proactive and pre ordering things. Yeah, and
and and especially if it's a boutique label like Deaf
Crocodile or Severn that I want to support, and they
have more Mondo Micawber like companies that are more hits
than misses. Like actually, I don't have a Deaf Crocodile miss. Yeah,
I haven't had one. So that's that's a good track record.
Speaker 4: That's pretty stilling. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: No, there's it's a it's a no miss, no miss company.
Speaker 2: All right, that's enough Deaf Crocodile advertising, I know, because.
Speaker 3: That enough glazing. But I love Death Crocodile. Don't know
what to tell you. Yeah, I think people still kind
of sleep on them a little bit.
Speaker 4: But they do. And we got big things to announce
the next couple months.
Speaker 2: So just wait, cool, so excited.
Speaker 3: Well I almost signed up for that subscriber thing too,
because everything that was announced, I was like, I need that,
I need that, I need that.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, I could just keep up. Yeah, I'll
be done with that crocodile. Sorry.
Speaker 6: Join us semi weekly as we peer into the adults
only theaters in sticky floored cinemas of the golden age
of sexploitation, when the morals were loose, the laws were murky.
Speaker 7: And the intercourse was all simulated. Find us now on
the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network.
Speaker 2: Well one year of Someone's Favorite Productions. It's been a
wild year, hasn't it. Ryan. Think about where you were
in July of last year.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: People have people have no idea. So yeah, July of
last year I had, you know, life was very different then.
I was still working full time for the federal government,
thinking that everything was going to be all right. Eventually,
turns out twenty twenty six had a different plan for
that plan. Uh yeah, And a lot of people had
no idea that I was already working on this whole
other venture behind the scenes. I was already gosh, a
little over a year into full on planning for Antenna
and everything that was about to happen with that. It
was just waiting for that right title and connecting with
the right people. And yeah, since July of last year,
how about you, guys, how's the first year feel?
Speaker 3: It's been feels longer because we've been doing nons. We've
been doing a lot more extras than I thought we
would be doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which has been nice to see your name
so often.
Speaker 3: It's it's I'm used to having to work last minute
to get you know, try to lure an adult film
actress out of hiding in like two weeks. Notice, I
can do not easy somebody to get an interview. No,
it's not. And so even when I try to work ahead,
this schedule gets shuffled around and stuff. But this has
been more consistent because we're dealing with a variety of
different companies and uh, and actually Lisa has been Lisa
Pertucci's been like the guiding light. Honestly, she's the one
who thought of us for the Keno and for the
AGFA film movement. Justin the Liberty. That was a crazy
random question request.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because let's you know, we're not like you said, glaze,
We're not glazing in ourselves to say that there's not
that many people out there who could do a full
commentary on some of these movies. Let's just be real, like,
this is a small it's a small pool of talent. Yeah,
and the people that could actually deliver, you know, it's
even smaller. So you know, Lisa has been super nice
and she knows that we're passionate and that we want
to do it and that we love doing it. So yeah,
she's been a cheerleader for us. But of course, Ryan,
like I'm trying to remember, I think I reached out
to you originally when I saw that you had a
podcast network, and I think I was just like joking like, hey,
if you want to something different like sex film podcast
on your network, I was kind of like lol, and
You're like, actually, let's do it well.
Speaker 4: And funny enough around that time, like we will and
I will and I we had already been discussing a
lot because after the Uh there was what two or
three Frost films that got announced by seven early last year.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, like Hot Spur and Scavengers was that
last year? Yeah, it was early last year. Yeah, and
then a big fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a big Frost fan. And I had uh
before they got announced. I was helping for Toado try
to track down some research for that. I was working
behind the scenes and just I mean, you both know
how this is. It was one of those worlds where
I'm like, you know, I know a little bit about
this and you start researching and go, oh no, I
love this world, Like this is just so unsung and
that sort of I mean, it's almost like quicksand like
you start researching for a moment you're like, man, the
more I researched, the more buried everything gets it.
Speaker 2: And I just talk about Sean Langrick. That's him right there.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, buried and Sean God love you. But
he gets obsessed with I don't. I would never want
to spend time researching the only house in town by
ed Wood? Are you fucking kidding me? He knows so
much about that movie and spoiler alert, I think I've
had my arm twisted that we'll have him on to
discuss it. I'll stay on mute the whole time. Yeah,
because I'm just I fucking hate that movie. But like,
as we've noted when we've done commentaries on stuff that
we don't necessarily like, there are so many good stories
about the people who did it. So, for example, Lust
will Turk, it looks nice, the colors are great. That
movie is not good, but it's Byron made who's fascinating.
It's Dave Friedman, it's Willie Ann Castleman. I mean, there's
the makeup guy on that who was like with Tyrone
Power when he died. Like, there's there's major people involved
with that film. So and that's something else that I
think maybe people are I feel like maybe there's a situation.
I can't speak for everybody, but like there's a situation
of not seeing forest for the trees where it's like, well,
I need to know everything about the production, and if
I don't know everything about the production, I analyze this
thing to death. And it's like, well, you can just
get background and all the incredible cast and crew, which
is perfectly fine, just it doesn't need to correspond necessarily
to the action that's going on, because there's only so
much you can say about the action we've gone for.
It's something that isn't well documented like sexploitation. So when
we did Jezebel and Turk, that's really what it was.
There is no documentation of the production of those movies.
We covered the releases of the films, but it really
was about the personalities it came together to make the movies,
and that is that makes the films more interesting, like
by default, because somehow this incredible group of people came
together to make this thing in this moment in time
for this very specific market that doesn't existing. So it's
just a.
Speaker 4: Very yeah, that's specific about this niche too, and other
niches as well, not taking that away, but you know,
if we're covering a paramount film from nineteen seventy six,
this idea doesn't work as well. We don't need to
hear the background of all these famous studio actors. But
if you're covering a Freedman film from nineteen seventy six,
you can talk about that for hours and just say, listen,
you guys have never heard of this person. It's not
Sean Connery. It's not somebody that has a very well
likable face that has been in all of the Hollywood tabloids.
It's people that like you would just want to hear
about because they're interesting stories, and the ones that are
still alive. I mean specifically, Casey. You've covered so many
people's lives with not even just research, just genuine respect
that other people have never given that time to. And
that's when you listen to the show. God, here comes
some more glazing. When Gentry first reached out and it
was like, hey, how does this sound? And I was like, well,
you know, I've had many people reach out before, and
I can show you know, one of these shows. In
five minutes, I'm like, yeah, that's sorry, we're going to pass.
But I listened to this show and ten minutes I
was like, Wow, this is different. This is respectful, this
is exciting, this is well researched, this is meaningful of
something that nobody's talking about. Why would we not want
this on the network. And all you've done since then
is increase the quality, So like it was the best
decision ever. Yeah, it's been amazing you guys.
Speaker 3: Are we appreciate that? Yeah? We try to. Yeah. I
was all nervous about going down to every other week Gentry,
but we need to do that for our sanity too,
that's the thing. Yes, and so now that we're doing
every other week, I also feel a little bit like
everyone has to be a banger, you know, So it's like, okay, yeah,
then I'm fine with everyone being every episode being like
two and a half hours, because then we're feeding the
children for the next two weeks. Yes, and it'll be
educational and nourishing and hopefully entertaining, and I won't drive
everyone crazy with my hottakes.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well and I yeah, Ryan, I've told you
before too, But yeah, we just I think that I
saw the stuff you had already put out, and I
kind of got a feeling that you were open to taking.
I mean, look, it's a little bit of a risk,
I guess because of the subject matter that we're covering.
You know, there's some podcast networks that they would instantly
just that would be a hard no, right, And so yeah,
I appreciate your open mindedness, and you've always been super supportive,
and the network itself is you know, there's just such
variety there, you know, there's opportunities to collaborate and everybody's
just super cool. Yeah, I have no complaints. I appreciate
you and all that you've done, and you, I mean
here's the thing. What I like about the network is
that you're easy to get a hold of if we
have issues or questions or need something. But at the
same time, you just kind of let people do their
own thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's important. I mean, it's literally more than
thirty shows at this point, and the amount of management alone,
if you were trying to micromanage, that would be like
mind ruining. But beyond that, why would I want to
stifle the creativity. The reason every single one of these
shows is on the network is because will or myself
like them or both of us, and I don't want
to damper that. I don't want to harm that. I
don't want to color that. I mean I already like it.
So yeah, let's just increase what we can with your
exposure and help each other out. And when you've got
a problem, we've got you know, thirty two other shows
that can step in and say, oh, yeah, I've seen
that before, let me help for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing else to say there about the network and
our collaboration there. I'm just looking forward to continuing it.
And I mean I feel like we barely even scratch
the surface of like opportunities for what we can do
together because you've been so busy this last year launching Antenna.
I'm not blaming you. I'm just saying like, look, we've
got a ton of stuff going on, and look these
just open up more doors for us down the road.
So yeah, I'm really excited about it.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's I mean, secretly, one of my selfish
desires is to start putting out some films that people
on the network and friends of mine can love and
then I can hire them for those releases. And a
lot of these people, I mean both of you are
already producers in your own right, and literally I could say, yeah,
let's start an exploitation line if we can get the
rights to twelve of these and see if we can
start making amazing criterion level releases of Cressy films of whatever.
Speaker 3: Scott, if you could make a deal with Carmen Novak,
that I think. That's honestly, that's the that's the last
that's the last pillar standing that has not been tapped
majorly for reissues and spoiler alert, I have none of
those on my list for tonight because I've already ranted
enough about them on this podcast. But no, Elabrary, no
Novacks around my list. Okay, just that whole library needs
to be rescued. And so if not you, somebody please
from Carmen Novac somebody. Yeah, yeah, even if she wanted
to do like a five package, maybe do like a five.
If there's a possibility to do like a five package deal,
then we would absolutely tell you which five to go
for and make sure that they sell. Well, we would
stump the hell out of them. Yeah, oh yeah, we
would kiss me quick. Please give me kiss me quick?
Speaker 2: How is that not?
Speaker 4: Yes? Anyways, that's a that's.
Speaker 3: A slam dunk for sever and I don't know why
they didn't get that. It's a horror sex movie. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Well you guys are you guys know more about this
world than I do. But okay, so just hypothetical, there's
like an orphaned film that doesn't necessarily have an owner,
nobody's claiming ownership of it. How would you put that
out on physical media? What are the hurdles?
Speaker 4: I mean, if it's truly orphaned and you can't find
a chain of title, which for those that are not
familiar with it, that's literally who owned it and when
and how you are legally acquiring the rights for it.
I mean, the reality is there's a couple of ways
you can pursue it for the next twenty years. Get
frustrated and give up. That's the most common one, and
then the other one is take a risk and just
hope that nobody sues you. And the reality is, if
you're putting ten thousand dollars minimum into a film to
put that out and on day two you get to
see some desist, you're screwed. Like there's no opportunity for
you to get rid of those in a way that
doesn't bring legal scrutiny, that makes the future of your
company come into question. And if other people see you
doing that already, they're immediately going to lose respect for you.
And that's I mean, I'm not going to name names,
but there's a handful of companies that either are operating
right now or have operated and owners have died in
not great situations and they lost a lot of respect
and based on that, it ruined their reputations. And I
have no plans to be one of those at the moment.
Speaker 3: You really have to do, if you're going to take
that risk, have to do your due diligence and have
documentation to back it up in a court of law
that you paid the Library of Congress to do the research,
that you paid to have some kind of research done,
to research a company of the people involved. You have
to have that documentation.
Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing is is it might even be
harder to put out, Like it might be a bad
idea to put out an orphan film.
Speaker 3: It's better to do so much more work to cover rules.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, follow the rules.
Speaker 4: It's not a bad idea. If you are loaded, if
you've got a ton of money, you can you can
pull this off. But that when I just said, you
know that that release that you put ten thousand dollars into,
now it's a release that you put thirty five thousand
dollars into at bare minimum. Yeah, And unfortunately the orphan films,
they're never making thirty five thousand dollars to make up
for that.
Speaker 3: No, absolutely not. There's a reason why you can't find
the right z owner. They're typically so obscure that that's
why you can't find the right zonner. Yeah, so you're
taking a big risk putting something out where it's like yeah,
typically stuff from like the sixties and seventies that stuff
already has a diminished return on value depending on the
title and the people involved.
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, all right, should we get into
some pics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: All right, let's read it. You're intrigued, all right.
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I don't think we're going to have a
lot of crossover.
Speaker 2: I'll say that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I was thinking more mainstream with mine.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh okay, I don't know what I was going
with mine. I had a I had a list I
made on letterbox a while ago where I was like, well,
things that I want to see upgraded. And I went
back and looked at that and I just picked a
few off there.
Speaker 3: So I looked at my DVDR collection and I was like,
why is this still on DVDR in my collection? I
need this on Blu ray. That was kind of what
I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well, my first one is, uh, it's
one that I haven't even seen yet. I don't know
if you guys have ones that you haven't seen, I
do you? Okay?
Speaker 3: And all of mine?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right. My first one is a movie by
jose Lauras. It goes by a number of different titles,
but I think The English title is and Give Us
Our Daily Sex. It's also known as El Periscopio in
Spanish and it's also went by a. It also had
like a student Nurse. Yeah, it was called Young Nurses.
I've seen that ad Matt before. I've heard it described
as sort of an Italian sexy comedy style movie but
done in Spain.
Speaker 1: Done no good, give.
Speaker 8: Yucky.
Speaker 2: So it's Jose Lauras. Obviously. The big pole here though,
is Casey Laura Gemser. Isn't it Miss Laura? So this
is one of the few Laura Gemser movies I haven't
seen because the versions that I've found of this out
there are just terrible. And I don't know about you, guys,
but I like to see things that look their best.
So sometimes I'll hold off on watching something if if
it's terrible quality, I'll be like, well, this might be
put out at some point, so I'm just gonna wait.
And that's what the case is with this one. What
about you, guys.
Speaker 3: I come from an old the old school, having to
order bootleg vhs and like shocking videos and luminism and
video works and video sharts in Miami, So no, I
will watch something if it's in terrible quality, thinking that
it has come to my eyeballs from the bowels of
hell and I will never see another version of it,
and so I have to make deal with what it is.
So yeah, I don't have that that that quality threshold
that you do, Okay seeing some of this shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well so this was Let me just rate
a little quick synopsis too, Maybe I should have done that. Well,
so this is from nineteen Well the nineteen seventy nine
is I think the original release date. This is, like
I said, Jose Larraz you might know him from Vampires
and Whirlpool. Aero put out that Jose Laaraz set Coming
of Sin. I mean he's a big name. Yeah, he's
a big name in Spanish exploitation. The quick synopsis is, yeah,
it's in the mode. It's in the model of the
famous Italian comedy Malicious, which is a Laura Antonelli movie.
It's sort of like kind of a riff on that movie.
You can sense the commissioned work. They're talking about Larraz.
He you know, he kind of was just doing this
for money. He apparently only took the financi Yeah, he
undertook it for financial gain. Neverthe less, the parent banality
of the subject belies a rather fierce critique of the
Spanish bourgeoisie, embodied by the character of the family man,
essentially preoccupied with watching sports on TV and haunted by
the fear of receding hairlines. This is a comedy, so
a very Italian comedy, for which one is surprised by
the absence of the obligatory big boobs nurse Edward Fennick.
A pleasant film, nothing more, which, in our opinion, is
only worthwhile for the presence of Laura Gemzer.
Speaker 3: How many movies can you say that about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I for real, I've been kind of I know,
other exploitation fans that are that love Jose Lauras like
I do, have been kind of asking, like, when's the
follow up? Errow, Let's do a Jose Laraz box set
part two? Maybe it didn't sell well, but there's a
lot of other Jose Lauras that they could package together,
and this would be a good one.
Speaker 3: What are the other ones besides this one? Don't say
Black Candles and don't say Stigma?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 3: What else?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 2: What else black Candles has been put out?
Speaker 3: I know I'm saying if you want a volume two?
What's going in the volume two? Frustration is he frustration?
Speaker 2: Deviation, that's deviation.
Speaker 3: Frustration is peca, that's right, Yeah, frustration is different, right, yeah, yeah,
I prefer Pikack.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I didn't think that there were like that many
more movies of his that actually needed to.
Speaker 2: Be Lamerte in Sierta. It's the English is Death Uncertain?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah, okay, interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's quite a few other ones, but Emma,
there's enough Emma Dark Doors. I think I'm trying to
remember who put that out Horses or there's been some
crappy blue.
Speaker 3: Didn't it come out of Stigma?
Speaker 2: That's a different No, yeah, yes, Stigma gotta release. But
it's like a crappy blu ray.
Speaker 3: So that's terrible, right right. Interesting hasn't been picked up
with the game, with the laura of it all.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 2: That's why I think maybe there's just no elements or something.
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Some rights holders are insane. We'll get into that when
I there's some on my list. Some people overvalue their
their library, Some lie about having access to negatives when
they don't, and they like having people dangled. You know,
they like dangling a carrot, being like, well I have
the original camera. Negative, you need to pay me like
a million dollars. Then they don't have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jose Lauras and Laura gun there, let's do it.
Speaker 4: I feel like, did she talk about that?
Speaker 3: Did she talk about that in her Maturno interview. I
don't think she did. No, talked about everything else that that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of an oddity too, because again it's
like a it's Spanish. It's kind of a sexy comedy. Yeah,
Gabrielle's got there.
Speaker 4: The hard part too. That first Laura's Box from Arrow
came out over seven years ago now, and Aero is
a very different company than they were seven years ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, they are. They have they're doing mostly studio stuff.
Speaker 4: Now, almost entirely. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of output deals with major
studio now. It's kind of like Keno, but like leveled up. Yeah. Yeah,
that's interesting. That's interesting. And I just realized now now
if we're now they're on the topic of Laura, I
forgot to put Emmanuel, Queen of Sados on my list,
which Severn was supposed to put in that box set.
But then they got chicken shit because they couldn't prove
Olivia Jerusso's age.
Speaker 2: And we don't know the reason. We don't know that's
the reason.
Speaker 3: What other reason is there? That is the reason.
Speaker 4: Let's be honest. It hasn't stopped many of these other boutiques.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, media bastard didn't care because that was a DVD.
I don't think. Yeah, I think you can tell it's
supposed to be included in that. It's in the it's
in the accompanying booklet discussed in great detail. And then
there's actually that newly designed artwork that matches all the
other artwork for the box on letterbox. So I'm like, yeah,
this was supposed to be with her. I'm really surprised
how people haven't flagged that. Yeah, that they dropped that.
I think, like only people like meee care because I
actually love that movie, but as leazy as it is,
because you get to see Laura playing like a villain. Yeah,
all right, I'd like to see Laura in comedy mode.
You don't see her in comedy mode that much.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: All right, Ryan, you're next.
Speaker 4: I'm next. This is probably one of my two of
my most obvious obvious choices. And I was telling Casey
this before, but I was so overthinking this that I
overthought it so much that I went back to like
full circle and said, well, they're probably gonna go way deeper.
I should just make sure that we're naming some of
the very obvious ones. And this one's kind of a
cheat too, because we know it's coming, but I as
disconnected speaking for a moment, This is a very selfish request.
Nineteen eighty nine's Muscle by Sato. We know it's coming,
but all I gotta say, just freaking release it already.
Like the amount of times I get complaints of, oh,
they're announcing volume nineteen and we still haven't gotten the muscle,
Like what are we doing? Justin please just prioritize that.
I'm so tired of answering the question that it's coming. I,
you know, as disconnected on social media. Pretty much everybody
knows I respond to every comment that I possibly can.
I every single time they announce another Sado set, that
is the main question I get is can they do muscle?
When are we getting muscle? Is muscle coming? And I
have to say yes and soon and please stop asking?
Eighty four times every time, and like, listen, we all
want the movie. You know, we were just talking so
much about the two in the Pinku guys. Dakota specifically
loves this film. The amount of amazing comments that Dakota
has made about this over the years should tell you
enough to want to see this. There are are moments
that if you read one of his reviews, you're gonna
think it's pure poetry. Dakota earlier this year said a
film that can make straight men cry and gay men come.
If that alone does not make you say we need this, please,
there's another review of this from a couple of years
ago from Dakota. This says cold, queer, underlicking love. That's amazing.
The start of one from earlier that same year, he says,
squirted and swallowed. This is the oral tradition of queer desire.
Speaker 2: Like the how many times this movie?
Speaker 4: You don't want to know?
Speaker 3: No, he's reviewed that as much as Zoom In Sex Apartments,
which I've reviewed three times, He's reviewed that like six times.
Those are the two that he has reviewed like a ton, Yeah, those.
Speaker 4: More than ten times. I can say yes on Letterbox
alone more than ten times, and listen if Dakota is
that passionate about it. Everybody should know it is top tier.
This is amazing, and the reality is we all know
it's coming if you're paying attention. But dear God, this
is one of the releases that I'm like, just put
it out already so I could stop getting the questions, well.
Speaker 3: What were we They announced volume four, and it's like, well,
it's it's Pride. Why why would you not put it
out now?
Speaker 4: Thank you? The exact same thing.
Speaker 3: It's it's June. Why are we not getting all of
his gay films in the collection for Pride? Was it
because they are already pried it out with the two
cinematograph releases, so they're like, you know what, enough gay shit.
We're not We're not doing any more gay ship. But
that that would have been perfect because it's any other
forget yeah, exactly we're gonna release If we're gonna release
it any other time of the year, it's just I
don't know, it's gonna be great any time of the year.
This just would have been like, maybe it was too perfect,
Maybe that's too on the nose.
Speaker 4: I mean, if anything, it extends probably to be a
little longer. So hey, win Win probably.
Speaker 3: That's true. That's true. That's good. His the rest of
his gay stuff is the fetest is really good. But
Muscle is the masterpiece. Yeah that that and Rewind. And
Rewind's already come.
Speaker 2: Out, so yeah, Yeah, it's funny that someone like a
few of his biggest movies, like most popular, still haven't
gotten out yet. You know, Splattered Naked Blood, I know
all the Edge Lords love and that's coming out. Vibrator Torture,
that's another big that one is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Nikatsu. And I don't think they're gonna deal
with Nikatsu for pink line because ni Katsu. I think
they've talked about it because Nikatsu Roman porno is not
pink film, and that's the distinction. So Nikoto would be like, no,
this is a Roman porno, so you can't put it
out as a pink line because it's not pink. Yeah,
but yeah, that's a no brainer. Somebody should be getting
those three nikotsus that he did and put those out
as a collection too, that's a no brainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't understand how strict they're I wonder if
they've like boxed themselves in literally with these box sets,
and that the way that they're presenting these movies. I wonder,
you know, if they you know, if they try to
put Asato out on its own, people are going to
complain like, why isn't this part of a bigger box set?
Speaker 4: And you know, I think Muscle is kind of the
only one they could do that with because it's got
the pedigre anything else, And I mean, you'd have to
charge way less at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yes, because it's a sixty minute film, you
can't put it out on its own. Yeah, you can't
do an eighty eight films and put out a sixty
minute blu ray like they're doing with the Ni Katsus,
which they need to not do anymore for the next ones.
I'll just put it that way. You need to bundle
those up, baby like, like Hannie did, I think it's
gonna be. I think it has to be like another
box I'm sure, because I guaranteed.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's the bigger problem why, I mean, I'm economics
is probably the reason why. But the reality is, if
you're gonna start a new line, why would the first
five releases be from the same filmmaker. At least throw
some diversity in there and get some other voices so
people can be excited about it. Just one filmmaker is a.
Speaker 3: Lot, Yes, it is.
Speaker 2: We just talked about that, worried about, you know, people
getting burnt out on Sato and then when they release
something like Muscle if some people are going to be like,
I'm well, I don't think I want that. I just
watched ten Sato movies in the last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and they all had either cameras or or
the medical field or yeah it's like some one of
those things. Yes, yeah, I'm kind of burnt out on
the Sato to tell you the truth. Yeah, I'm ready
to I'm ready to. Remember there's a lot of other filmmakers.
Speaker 2: Well, that's and why they if they did, that could
kind of reset things a bit, because that would be.
Speaker 3: Sort of you haven't seen these movies, happy gentry.
Speaker 2: I know, I haven't seen the Gate.
Speaker 4: And you're already up against an industry that does not
sell queer films well at all. That's the other big
thing is queer films do not sell for shit, even
though like the masterpieces that are known amazing titles, people
are so homophobic that they won't even watch.
Speaker 3: Them right and altered in a sense, I think is
the only one really doing that. Yeah, and they have
a much they have a very different outreach than Janner
Center Ocean do. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I will happily say Antenna's doing some of that,
and a Strand Releasing is still doing it BFI and
some of it.
Speaker 3: So, yes, Pink Narcissists they just put out which I
need to buy because I freaking love that movie. Yeah,
did they? I wonder if they included the cum shot
in it?
Speaker 4: There's a there is is uncut.
Speaker 3: So it has the scene I believe the dick shooting
into the camera. Wow, I think so Okay, Wow, Okay,
I wonder it was because they didn't know what it was.
It's hard to tell. It's very upclose and personal. It's
like it's the camera is like it feels like it's
like what the inside of like a dick sleeve would
look like. And that's kind of Yeah. It's very artistic
and very classy. Yeah, yes, artistic and classy. It's James Bidgood,
he was a genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, so is it more or less classy than
Behind the Green Door?
Speaker 3: Slow Motion weight class here?
Speaker 4: Okay, it's also a good movie.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like it's yeah, it's it's a it's it's
a gorgeous, stunning film made by like an actual artist,
not the Mitchell Brothers, which took a while for them
to figure out art.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought we were all about the Mitchell Brothers
being artists.
Speaker 4: I'm about supporting them and being excited that we get
to see those restored.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And actually I did a major extra for one
of those, which I don't know when that's coming out.
It needs to be edited. It's a four hour interview
with the pretty major Mitchell Brothers player who's never spoken
on the record.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I remember that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Steven, I will get in touch with you.
We need to figure that out because he's waiting to
hear it himself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Casey, give us your number five.
Speaker 3: Number five. So I'm going to do what I did
with our lost films. I'm going but written reverse. I'm
going to start with the most recent and then go backwards.
So my number five is a little movie called lunch Wagon.
And I don't know how your big guys seen lunch Wagon.
Speaker 9: No am trying to make.
Speaker 3: Okay, So it's nineteen eighty. It was made by Seymour
Boordy and his son Mark and so they were getting
into the sex comedy region. They did a bunch of
movies with They did Hollywood Hot Tubs with Chuck Vincent
later and they did a movie called Summer Camp and
some other stuff with Chuck Vincent. So it's Roseanne Caton
and Pamela Jean Bryant, who were both Playboy playmates. And
I think most people know Roseanne Kayton because she was
in like Swinging Cheerleaders and Motel Hell, and she had
an incredible career. And they are they're gifted a lunch
wagon by Dick Van Patton and a cameo because two
of his children are in the movie and wrote and
they compete against rose Marie from the Dick Van Dyke Show,
who has her own lunch wagon. And so Roseanne and
Pamela hire these hot babes to serve lunch out of
this lunch wagon and their hot competition. I think the
hold up on this might be the reason why you
might have trouble putting a clip from this in this episode.
It includes performances and music by missing Persons. The band
the Dale Bosio Band. They perform Mental Hopscotch and I
Like Boys from their first album It came out the
year before their first album came out, so they were
like not known yet, and that might be the reason
why this is being held up. The other reason might
be because I don't know who owns this, because the Boardy stuff,
the Brewerty stuff is weird. Mark Board's around. Apparently he's
very difficult to deal with and has been trying to
try to enforce stuff to try to enforce ownership on
movies that his dad distributed in like the sixties and seventies,
which he has no ownership to, So I don't know
what his ownership on this would be. It came out
of media VHS. I thought this when I was in
a Rose and Katon phase because I worshiped that woman.
She's great, it's funny, it's good sexy. Yeah, Like the
opening scene is Pamela Jan Brian in the shower and
the roommates with Roseanne Kayton and they're, yeah, just shooting
the shit topless. It's fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know ro Kayton from Chesty Anderson US Navy. She's
like the best part of that movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was not on my list because that one. Yeah,
she said the movie was mobbed up, So that's another one.
That I don't think we're ever going to see. I
don't think anybody know who knows who owns that, which
sucks because it's Sharry you Bank's only other movie. Yeah,
lunch Wagon is so much fun, and that's one that Yeah,
this is you know, when like chat Actory was doing
those kind of like four movie packs when they were
doing deals with MGM, and so like the Chatterbox came
out in one of those, I thought for sure if
MGM had it, they would have put lunch Wagon on
one of those collections. But I don't think MGM has it.
So that's my number five, just purely because it's like
sexy fun with like new wave music by Missing Persons,
and yeah, Rose and Kayton has really good comic timing
and Pamela Jean Brian is not a good actress, but
it makes for some really good like line readings, and
it's just it's a lot of fun. It's a real
lot of fun, and I think it would have a
much larger cult following up where people could see it.
I think it's kind of tough to see.
Speaker 2: So it's a fun pick. Hey, justin the Liberty's seen
it in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: He gave it a good review too. I was like, justin,
cinematograph lunch Wagon.
Speaker 2: You know what, I would love that if cinematic grafts
started getting into like sexploitation, that would be so funny
to me on.
Speaker 3: This exploitation movies. They could do candy. They should do candy. Actually,
Quino came out, but I can't put it out, but
I think it's out of print. Yeah, they're definitely options
they could do. But yeah, that was Yeah, he liked it.
So I'm like, justin, let's go at lunch wagon.
Speaker 2: Lunch Wagon. Yeah, I love the art. The art style
on this, you know, it's that goofy like exaggerated caricature style. Yeah,
you don't see that anymore.
Speaker 3: Is funny in it? It's actually genuinely funny. Like it's
not like Hollywood Hot Tubs isn't really that funny. Lunch
wagons like genuinely funny. Some of these sex comedies are
really mostly focused on like the sex, and like the
lowest common denominator comedy, lunch wagons like genuinely amusing and fun. Yeah,
it looks like everyone's having a blast. Yes, And Jimmy
Van Patten's in it. You know somebody else. Louisa Moritz
is in it too. Who I love Louisa Moritz, big, bouncy,
wonderful Louisa Moritz. Yeah, it's it's good. It's good. I'm
actually might watch it after we finished reporting because I
haven't haven't seen it forever, and I ripped clips of
it to send to you for audio dumps, and I
was like, I just need to watch this whole thing again.
It is so much fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's what is the best quality that you
can find of it?
Speaker 3: Is it VHS RIP VHHS rip. Yeah, it's never graduated
from VHS VHS from nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: We've gotten a little folder that you could drop that
in casey so I could watch.
Speaker 3: Oh, I might do that, and actually one of my
other choice, one of my other on this list, I
probably will as well, because I think you and Alex
need to see that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, all right, I will do my number four
and this will be a quick one because we have
covered this movie extensively. It's crazy. Do you know what
this is? Let me see if you can guess it.
Speaker 3: All American girl. Yes, I thought it might have been
secret place of secret things. But we know there's no
elements for that. But yes, All American Girl, we know
the negative is there, Like, let's get to step in,
let's go, let's get this restored. Please.
Speaker 2: I'd say both of those movies are actually like equally
available in the same terrible quality.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the sequel is actually quite good. I like
the sequel a lot. Yes, yeah, not as good, but
very good.
Speaker 2: I still need to watch it, I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I haven't yet, Maybe just because
I don't either.
Speaker 3: You're suffering through distropict shit. You're suffering through Leonard Kirtman garbage.
When you have All American Women. You need to finish
the Mark Aggart filmography. It's very stylish and good. It's
really it's quite good. And where something dougy that's in order?
Speaker 6: Yes, Master, Master Hu.
Speaker 7: That's not a bad idea.
Speaker 3: Tonight you'll be my slave and do whatever I wish.
Speaker 1: Yes, Master, I think it ought to be fun.
Speaker 3: I'll be here promptly at the sick see the master.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we covered All American Girl pretty extensively in
episode twenty called Don't Forget Your Girl with Patrick Crane,
who is the Bob Chin guy and Bob Chin was
involved in the production of this movie. So yeah, that
was a fun episode, and we all love this movie
so much. Peggy Church is just a one of a
kind talent, and she delivers such a I mean, I
just can't imagine any It's one of those roles you
can't imagine anybody else doing it. It's just Penny Church
is the all American girl. There should have been five
of these movies. Five is good. We don't need more
than five.
Speaker 3: Well, she could have. I would have loved if she'd
come back as an all American woman. That's like a
three years later, two years later.
Speaker 2: What going like? She could be the all American mother.
She could be. Just keep it going. I'd be fine
with that.
Speaker 3: I don't mind that. So keep her in the business
for ten years and actually to make it like boyhood.
You're saying, make it a boyhood situation where we just
follow her. She grows up and tells you, gets married
and retires from the business. Actually, I don't hate that.
Marcia Jordan was making movies for like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say, what other like, what's a
sexploitation actress? That did continue until her elder years. Is
there one really?
Speaker 3: There are several in Roman porno, yes, but not an
American that I can think. Marcia Jordan's the only one.
I mean, eventually she stopped taking her clothes off in movies.
She was just there because even.
Speaker 4: Came back later too. Yeah, some that were consistent and
then came back later.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The only one I can think of is like, well,
in Hardcore, happened like Ronica Heart would do non sex
cameos all the time after she retired. Uh so with
Kelly Nichols. But yeah, not really. In Sexplanation, it's very
interesting contant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that film is just what's available right now is
just it's so rough, but I mean you can still
see how beautiful and great this would this would be restored, so.
Speaker 3: That masturbation sequence restored. Oh my god, I know that
sounds gross, but like it's that is it is high art.
It's a beautiful cinematic self love sequence that is not
It's not tasteless or gross as you would think it
would be. It's actually really beautifully done. It's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 2: So that's like a that's one of those that's just
like before I die, if that happens, I'm I'd be
happy to see that. Mark Haggard, Yeah, we've talked about
him a bit. I'd love to see a little Mark,
a little Mark Haggard box something because they have Love
Garden reissue that reissue that one, because that was put
outside print vinegar syndrome. But yeah, it's out of print.
Speaker 3: That'd be a three. That'd be a three. It's three movies,
so yeah, it's all Americans in Love Garden. First neody
musical is with First Kimball, I think, yeah, which is
also fun, but that one's really good. I love musical
that in Eskimonell are actually twins. Essentially, they're kind of
the same movie. They're great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, episode twenty don't Forget Your Girl, go listen
to it. That's where we talk about all American girls.
So that's my quickie. But I can't not mention that
Ryan number.
Speaker 4: Four another one that I'm assuming is a cheater because
I'm assuming it's going to come out eventually, although at
this point I almost feel like it would have already
if it was coming. But I'm assuming Severn is going
to work some magic. So the reality here is Jess
Franco is sort of like the looming godfather over everything
for so many of these people, and I, you know,
was just able to be on a commentary that was
released of Jack the Ripper and lamented during that commentary
that I don't I've never loved Jack or Jess Franco
like as a as an Au tour. I'm not a
Franco fan, but I was on a commentary for a
Franco film. Now, the reality is that commentary was recorded
more than two and a half years ago at this point,
and since then, I've gone through quite a bit of
Stockholm syndrome and I'm not going to say I love
Jess Franco. However, I've found myself enjoying more and more
and more and returning to a movie that I believe
is still on tub. That was one of the first
couple that I ever saw of Jess because it had
such a big reputation, and I got to know, like
we are going to see a four K Venus and
Furs at some point, right, Like, how do we not
have an hour long conversation with Stephen Thrower just gushing
over this film. I mean, it's klaus Kinski. It is
like it's his most well known named film. I guess
in a way. You know, he's obviously got more famous films,
but this name has penetrated so much out there. It's Frankco.
It's the one that everybody wants. It's sexy, it's stylish,
it's smart, it's well done. It's still slightly incoherent, but
it's still like it's it's one of his better movies.
It's one of those that I don't know, if you're
if you're looking for one of his, that's it's still
got the horror cult element, but it also leans into
the sexier stuff, but is better made than a lot
of the just sort of, hey, here's Franco's mind. Dump this.
This feels like a better one that would actually bring
people in. And I wish this would have come out
in I don't know, twenty eighteen on four K and
Crush It do an amazing disc and all these Franco
titles that would have came out after this. People might
have been a little more excited and picked up that
one first and gotten, you know, sort of Stockholm syndrome
themselves and fallen in love with him. But yeah, Venus
at first, like there's there's enough exploitation to Jane slit
here we we we need that movie, come on.
Speaker 10: Ye yeah, I wasn't sure if you're gonna say Venus
in furs or Suckubis.
Speaker 2: Those are the two big ones that haven't.
Speaker 3: Oh no, see mine. Mine would be USI de Sad
the Anode onto the movie. That's the last big movie.
They're never gonna do Debulka from Akasava, which I like.
Sorry but she gets comedy which she never gets to do.
But yeah, no, that's a good one. Venus and first
and it's good point you. Yeah, I would have loved
to see this earlier because Maria Rome was still alive
and she's like magnetic in that movie, and she appears
in audio form on other releases, but like, that's her movie.
I would have really loved, yeah to hear her thoughts
on being in that film. Margaret Lee passed away now,
but and so did James Darren just recently passed away. Yeah, damn,
Barbara McNair, right, yeah, everyone from that movie now, Yeah, yeah,
it's yeah, that's a that is a slam dunk. I'm
not sure what the deal is with that. I'm not
sure what the whole up is on that.
Speaker 4: And it's also like if you're in this scene. This industry.
It's kind of the like consistently highest rated Franco. It's
one of those that is not super divisive. A lot
of people that don't like Franco love this movie because
of the style in it, which Franco style is kind
of off the wall in a lot of other movies,
but this one is pretty populous related.
Speaker 2: It's just it's the towers. Yeah, it's a hairy tower.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the towers.
Speaker 2: He's on the Towers moment.
Speaker 3: So you live in a world where we we but
we live in a world where we have the fu
Man Choes on four K, but not Venus and first.
Speaker 2: That's the world we have the bloody Judge on four K.
Speaker 3: I like that more than you. I'll I won't defend
it too harsh. I won't defend it too hard, but
I like enough of it. But yeah, like it's it's
shocking to me that that has not come out. I'm
going I'm thinking it might be an element's issue because
the rights I think are with the same people that
I mean, it's the same people that have like u
Usni story of Journey into Version of Justine, isn't it.
So I'm wondering if the elements are gone.
Speaker 4: I don't know, not to give any hope or anything,
but this did play at the New Bed earlier this
year on thirty five, and supposedly it was from a
print made from the negative and it looked like shockingly crisp.
So there always new prints this work. It was not
a brand new print, but it was from a print
that was like stored. It looked like new, and it
looked like brand new from the negative. And if they
were able to do that, like I mean, we might
be some magic here.
Speaker 3: I wonder if it's the same print I saw, because
I saw there was a Kinsky series of all Things
at Anthology Film Archives and that was one of the
Kinski movies they chose, and that print was stunning. I
was so lucky to see that in the theater because
everyone was like it was seeing it in.
Speaker 2: The theater is maybe it was the same print.
Speaker 3: Crazy, It's it's a it's a great experience that it
really we've spell over you. And that's when it's kind
of like, oh, Franco movies. We didn't see more Franco
movies in theaters in general, because I feel like there's
certain things about them that would work better in like
a dark movie theater.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's a really good choice. I keep forgetting
that's not a bit.
Speaker 2: A good choice. Yeah, very good one. I actually just
rewatched that one recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh really.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, Actually, something I should note, just in case anyone's wondering.
The amazing theme song to the opening credits of that
movie is not Manfred Man. It is a library music
piece called Marco Polo from the KPM library, and I
believe you can stream it on everything. Yeah, it's called
Marco Polo. I forget the composer. It's not Siddale. Actually
it might be Siddale, so yeah. Like, and there's music
from the soundtrack to the name of the game is Killed,
the stup Phillips soundtrack that somehow ended up in Venus
and first stup Phillips has no idea how that happened,
because I sent him eclipse of it, and Throwerd doesn't
mention that in his book either, which is strange. He
doesn't mention the KPM.
Speaker 2: I you know, Franco didn't really use KPM library stuff
that often, so I think that that was part of
the non Frankel part of the movie.
Speaker 3: Actually most of the music, and that is not Manfred
man now that I think about it, all the memorable
stuff is not Manfred Maan.
Speaker 4: And if I remember this, this movie had like a
ton of editors. That's probably that's probably one of the
reasons why it's a better movie, He'll be honest, And
that could be why.
Speaker 3: So right, right, it's so good. Yeah, I don't even
think I have a DVD of it, to be honest.
I think I think I sold it years ago and
I planned to re buy it, and I I just haven't.
Speaker 2: It's been on to be forever, like is it still
on to me? That's how everybody sees it, Like you
can like very young. I've seen a lot of young
people watching it and logging it and talking about it
on social media.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people love it all across the board. So yeah,
that would be a huge one.
Speaker 3: I forget that there's a really good one.
Speaker 2: I know David Gregory has probably tried. If he could
get it, he would put it out.
Speaker 3: So or Lastig still has the rights and he's just
waiting because you know, he puts out what three four
k a year, and he like staggers them to keep
you holding on and hoping that one of them is
going to be a good one and not a fucking
fou Manshow movie. Yeah, yeah, well that's that was what
Lustig did. Lustig would like to buy rights in perpetuity,
like he wouldn't license those things so and he would
spend a fortune doing it. So that's why, like he
put out Justine and New Genie, like he owns those now.
He bought those from the Towers. So I imagine that Venis
and Furs might be the same thing. He might just
be sitting on it and waiting. Maybe he's kind of
later this year, you guys, let's get excited, just waiting
because he knows he has to keep Blue Underground alive
in some way, So putting out two releases a year
is keeping the company alive.
Speaker 2: I guess, Okay, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I can't speak for Lustick. He's very Yeah, he's an
interesting guy, get it that way, all right?
Speaker 2: Caseye, what's your number?
Speaker 6: Four?
Speaker 3: Mine is another Europe is also a European film. It
is a film that Monda Micawber put out in the
UK only in their very It was one of their
very first DVD releases and it was the Nude Princess
nineteen seventy six, uh Cesari Canivari, who did High in
a Safe which just came out, and Gestapo's Last Orgy.
Very interesting, yes, very inconsistent, no real rhyme or reasoned
as projects, But Hying in the Safe gives you no
idea that everything he did after that would be really
scattershot in terms of like visual style.
Speaker 5: Beautiful Lady, you call me.
Speaker 9: A few reflections of me, and he had a strain
into my clone.
Speaker 7: I'm not the girl I I could be.
Speaker 1: With my I walked with rhythm memory.
Speaker 3: The soundtrack has been reissued on vinyl which I have
by Detto Mariani, which is really good. It has a
loved or hated theme song called Beautiful Lady by Hasley Rose,
which I will say I left the DVD menu on
repeat many nights so I could hear the song on repeat,
which he used to do a lot in the DVD era.
But the big reason I picked this was because I
feel like, well, it's Pride Month, and we are still
in an environment where a lot of trans rights are
at risk, and so I think it's always important for
me to remind myself and maybe to remind other people
that the first international sex symbol that was a trans
woman was a black trans woman, and it was a
Gita Wilson. Whither she was out as trans when she
was making the films, which that's debatable people. You know,
there are different people who have said they didn't know,
and there are some people who said they did know.
She is wildly underdocumented. I don't like you like for
your Annie billbook is overdue because she's been underdocumented. I'm
shocked no one's even tried to do an Agita Wilson book.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, my friend, my friend Ian Higbee, who is
also a big Anni belfan, he has done quite a
bit of research on Agita Wilson, so he's I've had
discussioning Kim about Yea doing something, you know, we've talked
about even just him helping him do a podcast just
to get this information out there somehow. But yeah, her, Yeah,
I totally agree her. His background is just it's not
only undocumented, it's complicated, and you hear different stories from
different people.
Speaker 3: So and also something that I something that kind of
I forget sometimes in terms of people who make these
eurocult movies because we're sitting them in like English dubs
or whatever. No, we don't know what her real voice
sounded like. She never spoke with live sound, and to
the best of our knowledge, she didn't go to the
dubbing studio to dub herself in English, So we have
no idea what the first international trans sex symbol sounded like.
We have no idea what her real voice is. So
she doesn't really have a voice. So that's why I'm
kind of like, I want to know more about her,
but I don't know where to go in that direction.
And I feel like a lot of people don't know either,
Like I know that they the people interviewed Jess Franco
and Tino omont Is interviewed in that DVD. I think
Carlos oh Red was interviewed about her, and that's where
a lot of information about her comes from, which I
is questionable. I think people discuss her making porn in
New York before she went to Italy. I've never seen
any of that, so and I would think I'd come
across that considering my extensive background in porn. Never seen
anything with her.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Alex Mandible, he's uh a Spanish film historian. He
did a piece on that Ava Man release that Mondo.
Speaker 3: Micapo did yes, which I still need.
Speaker 2: Yes, So yeah, there's some credible Yeah, there's some information.
Speaker 3: Ava Robbins is incredible.
Speaker 2: But again, you know, talking with my friend Ian Higbee
and he said that there's some stuff in Alex's piece
that he might not have said or he slightly disagreed
to it. So yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised that. I mean, there's definitely movies that
we know the reasons that Monta Micaber hasn't upgraded, like Alocarto,
we know it's an elements issue, and there's other studios
that like Doctor Ducklan went to Vinegar Syndrome, but like
Nude Princess is just kind of like an outlier. It
was one of the first DVD releases. They never released
it in America and it's kind of been forgotten. It
came out like, you know, two thousand and four, two
thousand and three maybe so like years ago. So actually yeah,
twenty three years ago, I think is that DVD is
when that came out? So yeah, it's it's overdue. And
I yeah that vinyl. I played that vinyl a lot.
That soundtrack is really good.
Speaker 2: I've also talked with I keep mentioning Ian because he's
talked to the Monda Micabro guys about some of this stuff,
like putting out more Geta or more sex films. And
I get the feeling that there is a hesitancy because
of how certain stuff has sold in the past. And
that's what makes me worry about something like New Princess,
because it's just like, well, is it gonna sell like
Sex Apocalypse did for them, you know, which had Lina
Romay and Gda Wilson. I don't think that did very well.
Speaker 3: There is a gulf of quality between these two films.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is it?
Speaker 3: That is it?
Speaker 4: Do you how do you like?
Speaker 3: Piece of garbage? I reviewed my letterbox and raked it
over the coals and I told people not to watch it.
It's a total piece of shit. I think they I
don't know. I think they released it because they're like, well,
it's Lena, we can sell Lena. But it's not a
good movie. So, you know, New Prince is at least interesting,
and it also has like biographical connections to it. Feels
like there's very personal stuff in that script, but intentional
or not that tie into a story what we know
of it. Yeah, So it's like, yeah, Sex Apocalypse is
such garbage. It's it's so bad. But then she made
those Greek movies like and Vinegerson to put one of
those out Erotic Passion came out on Blu Ray, and
then she did some hardcore which is really depressing to watch.
She clearly didn't want to be doing it. See, I
don't know. Yeah, happy Bride Viva, I love Vegeta. Yes, like, yeah,
I adore her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's a good one too.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that one, but I've seen Hyena, I've
seen last Orgy, I've seen Matalo his Western that so
his Yeah, his stuff is very weird and very almost
I mean, you could call it experimental and kind of
avant garde in certain instances. So yeah, very stylish. I'm
sure this is good. I need I need to see it,
all right. My number three is a movie by Nellie Kaplan.
Are you guys familiar with director Nellie Kaplan?
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 2: This is a movie called Nia n e A. This
is actually am Manuel movie. Well, it's written the original
story was written by Emmanuel Arson and it is starring
Sammy Frey. He's a French actor and the girl is
her name is Anne Zacharias. She is a Swedish girl.
So this is sort of an Emmanuel story. But the
difference is that the book it's based on is a
short novel. I don't know if you guys have read
any of the Manuel Arsan novels, but they get very wordy,
and they get very verbose, and they get sort of philosophical.
The good thing about the Nia book is it's short
and it doesn't get into all that.
Speaker 3: You gave it four and a half stars on Letterbox.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm reading that review right now.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Richie, You're like, Gentry is not helping me here
to sell this movie. I need to just read his review.
Speaker 3: Well, because I've never heard of it. This is brand
new to me, and none of the cast is I
know Ingrid Covin, she's a Fastbender actress, but other than that,
I don't recognize any of the names in this cast.
So I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is also a favorite of our buddy Jeremy Ritchie.
He's a big fan of this movie.
Speaker 4: His review is wild for this Mona. People need to
read that review.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Jeremy. I love Jeremy the best way
I can explain it is it is. It is in
the Emmanuel mode in that it is about a young
girl having like a sexual awakening, but it's also very
meta in that she wants to be a writer better
than Emmanuel Arsan and she even like name drops like
Marquis de Sade. And the funny thing is she name
drops a name that I had to look up and
I was like, who the heck is this writer? And
it's Nellie Kaplan, the director. She used to write erotic
novels under a pseudonym, So there's lots of like really
meta things going on with erotic novel writing and.
Speaker 3: What's oh Nellie Kaplin. She did a very Curious Girl,
which Radiance was trying to get. Yeah, I haven't seen
anything else from now Kaplan, but I've read a lot
of people's reviews of her stuff, and especially feminist authors
really like her, and so yeah, I haven't seen anything
else by her, but I was really blown away when
I first watched this movie.
Speaker 2: As sort of part of my general Emmanuel and Emmanuel
adjacent research, I checked this one out and I really
really enjoyed it. But I think that there might be
some hiccups with regard to. You know, the age gap
is going to probably freak some people out because the
character in it is sixteen years old. The character in it, people,
the character in the movie is sixteen.
Speaker 3: People still rave about Gigi, that girl is fifteen in
that Best Picture Oscar winning MGM musical. So I don't
want to hear it from anybody about this movie or
any other movie when Gigi has a record win for
Best Picture from the Academy Awards of a girl being
roomed for Louis Jordan. Yeah, so I'm okay with a
sixteen year old girl, you know in a movie. I'm
fine with that.
Speaker 4: Nobody clipped that, please.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I also say that there's an use it against me.
Speaker 3: I'm gay. I don't need anything to do with sixteen
year old.
Speaker 2: Sure, there's a really great cat in this movie, so
all you, oh Dakma film lovers, it's a really great fat.
Speaker 3: Well my deaf crocodile. The cats. There's cat movies coming
out there.
Speaker 4: There's coming, by the way, another promo.
Speaker 2: And angeless angeless cat movies. This was also shot in
uh Geneva, Switzerland, in the winter, so it has a
very different feel to it than you know. If you
watch a lot of these Emmanuel I call them Emmanuel clones.
A lot of them are in the sort of exotic,
erotic variety, and that they're like on an island somewhere,
or you know, it's summer people are in bikinis whatever
or less. This is different feeling. It's yeah, like I said,
it's in Geneva in the winter. It's got some great cinematography.
Go check out Nia if you can find it. But
I'd like to see a solid home video release of
that one. I see that CCC put it out. It's
they were the studio, you know c c C did
that's less Yep, it was a it was one of
those co productions, you know, France, Germany. So yeah, it's
probably in a vault somewhere. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wait, Pathfinder put it on DVD in two thousand and three.
Pathfinder you know Pathfinder has been around, yeah.
Speaker 4: A long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on Blu Ray in Japan. Give us a
give us an English friendly one because you know they
don't do English subtitles for those things.
Speaker 4: Pathfinders fifteen bucks used, I don't want to actually.
Speaker 3: Give me a Blue Ray.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nia, Nellie Kaplan, yep, that's my I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 3: I am very intrigued.
Speaker 2: If you like Emmanuel style films, but maybe a little
bit more the feminist edge and a little bit more artsy,
maybe a little bit more darkly seductive. Yeah, that's a
good one.
Speaker 3: So not like that terrible Emmanuel remake that just came
out recently, where that was like a feminist update of
Emmanuel and it was garbage. This sounds much more promising.
Speaker 2: I felt like I was in a series of like
board meetings watching that. Oh it was horrible.
Speaker 3: It was like an e manual movie created by committee. Yes,
it was really it was so bad. It was really bad.
Some things you just can't update. It just does not work.
So it's fine to just enjoy them for they from
when they were made in the seventies in that time,
Like I don't want to see someone doing Emmanuel in
America and twenty six. That's not going to work of
its time. We enjoy it for that reason.
Speaker 2: I need to see this ran.
Speaker 4: This one is another title related to somebody that's very
mainstream for our crowd. But uh, this is also probably
my least exploitation of all of my titles. But it's
another one that I don't understand how we haven't crossed
over to the HD world for this and listen, I
understand like it is later era lesser and a lot
of people have a problem with three of the films
specifically because they think that it doesn't live up to
everything before it, And I get it, it's not the same.
But I gotta wonder, how do we not have Pecker
by John Waters on Blu Ray yet, Like, yes, this
this movie, Like I understand when it came out it
was hated. You know, people that wanted Pink Flamingo's part,
duh did not get that and it was never going
to be he he got glossy. By then there is
a very different sheen and that is fine. However, Pecker
is a lot better than you remember it being, and
you probably need to go watch it again if you
ever want to feel like you are seeing somebody mature
before your eyes in a way that can still challenge
the status quo, that can still bring the crude to
the prudes. It is very interesting to see how you
bring little Edward Furlong into this world and John Waters
brings this very like weird story to the world in
a way that you know, after cry Baby and after
even Cereal Mom, Like, a lot of people do not
expect this to come out of him, and for those
that had been around since the beginning or discovered him
through art house random crap where everybody was just looking
at at him as amazing outsider art, which I'm not
saying he's not, but you expected something different and the
sheen alone probably turned you off. But if you watch
it in twenty twenty six and you see that that
sheen is still a lot grungier than anything coming out
on Netflix today, this movie is so much better than
you gave it credit for. And sure it's exploitation in
the lightest of ways, but come on, there's dicks everywhere,
like so much about games.
Speaker 3: Come on, RIGHTMZ.
Speaker 4: It's an incredible cast. Furlong is genuinely amazing in the movie,
and if you don't think so, you probably need to
watch it again. But I mean, Christina Ritchie, Martha, Martha Limpton, right,
Mink Stole again as always, Patty Hurst. Yeah, this is
this is special. And you know, fortunate enough a couple
of years ago to the h to go to the
Waters exhibit in la at the Academy Museum and just
being in the idea of waters for like ninety minutes
of my life was such a unique place to see
your mind go yeah, essentially, And you know, watching the
costumes come to life a little bit in front of
you and seeing clips from all of them back to
back to back. This movie, Yes, I understand it does
stick out like a saret them compared to you know,
Desperate Living and all that other stuff. But this movie
is worth a lot more than you give it credit for.
And when you watch this right after film school, when
you saw the other ones and you felt a little
pretentious and condescending towards it, it's better than that. Go
give it another Pecker.
Speaker 9: She's talking, Hi, Mary Grace.
Speaker 11: Oh wow, Pecker, his name is Pecker.
Speaker 2: Give me a post.
Speaker 11: Oh honey, No, no, no, no, that's enough chocolate, says Sugar.
Speaker 2: A small town boy with big time talent. You know
that you're crazy.
Speaker 8: You see art when there's nothing there.
Speaker 2: Who's just looking for his big break?
Speaker 9: My here for Larry the Locket.
Speaker 3: Larry's twenty one years ago and it's still very Baltimore.
M It is better than cecil be demented, which for
some reason is people are reevaluating and that is not good.
It's better than cry Baby, which people give a lot
of grace to, which is way glossier, way less funny.
Like you know, I'm sorry the sugar Addict did sister
the little sister when when you when you go when
she's up in the middle of the night, like eating
out of a bag of sugars, rolling sugar, and he
takes a picture of her, like that's that's John Waters.
That is that is It's like it's kind of like
it's it's kind of similar to like it's not as
it's not as not as much of a parody as Polyester,
but it's kind of similar to that. And then it's
like a very interesting take on like the family dynamic
is very interesting. Martha Clinton is so good as in
the in the yeah, in the gay bar with all
the dancers and stuff. Yeah, it's I like it a lot.
And I until you told me that, I would have
thought it had been on Blu Ray And that's shocking
to me that it has not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean at least on Blu Ray for the
first time. By Umbrella.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that in theaters and it was it
has its moments, but dirty, it's better. Pecker's better than
the second half of Dirty Shame too. That movie goes
downhill once the Johnny Knoxville shit starts. Yeah, I have
John Waters had that guy got me through college or
through high school.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's one of those creators like
that director. Everything should be in the highest quality possible,
even if it's shit like it is film history.
Speaker 2: Well, he's very home video friendly too, so I'm surprised
he hasn't said, like, hey, why.
Speaker 4: Is out There's got to be something else. I think.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm hoping that Criterion is getting to
it because they are going down the and they're dealing
with all the New Line stuff, which is what all
of these are. So Pecker is still New Line, which
is weird because yeah, he went to someone else for
Serial Mom and then went back to Newline.
Speaker 4: For I'm kind of curious with Umbrella being the first
one to do Cecil. I wonder if there's something likeness
related maybe in some of these last three films, and
because it was Australia, they were able to skidaddle around
some of those rights problems.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe I kind of reminds me how like Radiance
put out a really good addition to Welcome to Dollhouse
and we got shipped over here. This is really upsetting. Yeah,
those nineties movies, I'm telling you, it's it's a good
time to reevaluate those now that they're thirty years old.
Oh yeah, and it's just like, oh, some have aged
terribly and others are like, actually, this is still really good.
This really hits. Yeah, it's good. And a lot of
some of the dream and more of the Dreamlanders are
in it. It's like one of the last movies with
Mote with enough the Dreamlanders in it. What's his face?
The eight what's his face?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 3: Plaze Channing is in it too? Yeah. And the lesbian
from Desperate Living is like the lesbian bouncer of the
gay bar. Yeah, it's like, yeah, don't get me started
on John Waters. I can go down. Yeah. I lived
and breathe John Waters for like my entire high schools.
Speaker 2: Okay, so casperg was ninety five. This is ninety eight.
Speaker 3: This was the same year as Buffalo Buffalo sixty six,
isn't it.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at Christina Ricci's filmography. Here I seen
what she did between those two, these two movies.
Speaker 3: Well now and then ninety six I believe. And then
opposite of sex is ninety nine, which is great. Opposite
of sex? Where's that freaking blu ray? Lisa krud is
still huge? Why is that not out? The opposite sex
is so good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Buffalo sixty six?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, we have Vincent Gallow. We don't talk
about it. She's great in that. But yeah, yeah, talk
about not aging.
Speaker 2: Well, sorry, I'm hung up for a bit here. Because
Christina Ricci was like my like awakening at like ten
years old.
Speaker 4: I completely get it.
Speaker 2: That's okay for me because I was ten years old,
so I can crush on her when I'm watching Casper as.
Speaker 4: We're close to the same, ain't you. I'd agree with it, not.
Speaker 2: Now, not now, but.
Speaker 3: Crazy?
Speaker 4: Does it help that after Casper she did that darn
Cat before this?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she was in that horrible remake. Yeah, that
girl worked consistent. Yeah yeah, I love her. I mean
Wednesday Adam's huge, a different kind of gay awakening. It's like,
oh I love goth girls with like attitude. I was like, okay,
I want to be friends with this chick. Yeah yeah,
I've always wanted a Christina reaching Yeah all right, Casey,
what do you got on three. Uh, okay, so this
is a this is an odd one, another odd one. Okay,
So you know how I I don't think I've talked
on that on our podcast about how much I adore
Sandy Dempsey. Yeah, I think most people know her now
from what is her best known performance, which is Little Misinnocence,
which Vinnergerson to put out, and then it's on the
Grindhouse Blu ray of Death Game because Death Games are
an unofficial remake. Sandy Dempsey went back and forth from
hardcore to softcore. She's an ILSA, she's in swing cheerleader,
She's in a bunch of other stuff. But she only
did really one starring Rule that was kind of a
more major mainstream movie but still sexploitation. And that movie
called to Be a Rose, and it's a serious drama
directed by William A. Levy who did Blakenstein and Wan Band,
Thank You, space Man and The Happy Hookar Goes to Hollywood.
So maybe not the guy you'd think would be directing
a movie about a prostitute and the clients that she
talks to and dealing with childhood trauma. It's very similar
to John Hayes's like Dream No Evil where it's focusing
on this woman who obviously has a trouble passed and
she has these very interesting relationships with the men in
her life. So when the Code Write boys were alive,
they were trying to get this movie, and they called
William Levey, Wh's crazy. Not many people have interviewed this guy.
He's still around. I think I don't even know if
he's interviewed on the Blackenstein Blu Ray. I don't remember.
But he told them because when they said they were
gonna call him, I said, Okay, I want to know
everything about Sandy Dempsey because I'm obsessed with her and
I want to know. At that time, I didn't know
that she had not died, So that led to me
then and reevaluating whether she actually died and then finding her.
And I still haven't contacted her, but she's still alive.
So William Levey said that she was so proud of
her work in this film that she kind of felt
like she had reached the apex of what she could
do in Hollywood. Like she was kind of like, I'm
not getting the kind of roles I think I should
be getting. I don't want to do porn anymore. I
want to do more mainstream stuff, but she was so
dedicated to this performance and loved this character so much
as she was like, you know what I feel like,
if I stop acting after this, then I feel like
I went out with a performance that I'm really proud of,
playing a character that I really love. And then she left.
So this is nineteen seventy four. She didn't do anything
after seventy four. Anything that came out after seventy four
was shot earlier. So it was distributed by Jerry Gross's. Yeah,
this was her last movie. To be a Rose is
her official last movie seventy four.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, So she didn't do anything after this,
So Jerry Gross released it's animation distributed it. And then
I found a newspaper thing that says Canon reissued it
in nineteen eighty two, so Cannon MGM. It was released
on VHS by trains World also MGM, and MGM doesn't
seem to have this. They don't seem to have the
rights to this, and William Levy was no help. He
doesn't have the rights to it because he yeah, he
was not a financier. So this is kind of one
of those orphan things that exists, unlike an incredibly rare
VHS that is impossible to get ahold of. And I
used to argue with Joe Rubin because he says Little
Miss Innocence is her best performance. This is her best performance.
She's in the entire movie. It's a really layered, complex,
incredible performance that I would not expect from her even
having seen Little Miss Innocence like it really blew my mind.
And that's where I felt I really was determined to
find out did she die or not? Because of I
wanted in my heart to know that she wasn't dead
after doing this performance. I didn't want to believe that
she died a year later in the Gulf of Mexico
according to Candy Samples, which turns out was not true.
She did not die in ninety seventy five. So yeah,
that's when I really really desperately want somebody to even
acknowledge it exists, because it's I remember buying the VHS
dirt cheap on Amazon, and I think five people had
rated on IMDb way back when. I don't know what
the letterbox views are. I'm sure they're rock bottom low.
Speaker 2: It's like John Charles has seen it.
Speaker 3: In hardly and I don't even think I've logged it
because I want to rewatch it to make sure I'm
reading it correctly, refer back to the previous episode, or
I don't want to. I don't want to have old ratings.
So I'm probably watching that this weekend too.
Speaker 2: But we're dark. Yeah, this looks really dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's one. I'll upload the file to our
to our group folder because that it's Yeah, she's just
really it's next level good. It's like if she didn't retire,
then I would have left her to kept trying to
get more work.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean listeners Ryan whoever. Like you know, if
you've seen any like Sandy Dempsey movies, they're probably like
silly sex movies like or bad comedy like The Suckers
you know that's been put out or you know, drop
Out was.
Speaker 3: Sex Psycho, Widow Blue, that thing, or even like little
appearances in in Harry Novak movies.
Speaker 2: You know, she was in Great Mind, Young Sally, she
was in a Country Hooker, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has always like brutally murdered.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little walk on roles and stuff like this,
So yeah, I'd love to see her an extended starring drama. Yeah,
that's really good.
Speaker 3: She's it's literally she that she carries the home movie
on her back, and it's any I don't see that
many other actresses. The only actress I could see doing
that at that time would be like Renee Bond. I
could see Renee Bond doing it. But Renee Bond also
doesn't have the pathos that Sandy Dempsey does in this movie.
I don't know if I don't know if Renee could
have could have.
Speaker 2: Maybe doesn't have the face to do like yeah, like
you said, the pathos, No, looks like.
Speaker 3: She's good in dramas and comedies. But Sandy, if you've
seen Little Miss Innocence, you know that when she has
that big breakdown scene, it's like it's coming from somewhere
deep and like she's channeling something. And so this is
like a whole movie of that where it's very it's
strong dedication to character. And I know it's crazy that
I'm so focused and love that and s exploitation, but
it's like it elevates the stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, John Charles is gonna be excited about you
mentioning this.
Speaker 3: Do you like it?
Speaker 2: Well? What is John Charles ever like nothing.
Speaker 3: John Charles rates it accordingly. He said two and a half,
which is fair. Uh, yes, she said she he said
she's good.
Speaker 2: He said she's good. Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. I like it quite a bit.
Speaker 2: He's got such a good picks.
Speaker 3: All right, Oh, you're gonna love my next one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, what do I have next? Let's do that
m Cindy and Donna. I'm not gonna tease you guys.
I'm just gonna tell you guys what it is. I
have to mention a yeah, a Debbie Osborne. So this
this is seen release on those drive in DVD collections
that you see of like thirty films from Crown International.
You'll see Cindy and Donna show up on those every
now and then. But it needs an update. It needs
an upgrade. It needs a Sin Syndicate commentary.
Speaker 3: It needs Osborne interview.
Speaker 2: Casey's just Casey's needling me right now. It needs Osborne interview,
needs a Debbie Osborne commentary. If she's gonna be willing
to talk about her work.
Speaker 3: I know that's the challenge. But she's great in this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's great in it. Nancy, how do you say
her name ian.
Speaker 3: Is san I don't know, I don't know DeBie, I
don't know who it's all about that whoever know who
else is right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? And you know who else is a big fan
of Cindy and Donna. Sean Baker.
Speaker 3: Sean Baker.
Speaker 2: So let me tell you a story.
Speaker 3: So we need a Sean Baker to join us on
this commentary to sell copies.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying, Yes, we would get Yeah,
we would get Sean Baker to do one of those
little like two minute intros you see.
Speaker 3: On you know, Blue Releases does them, So why wouldn't
Sa Maker exactly?
Speaker 2: But the story is that I posted like a clip
of this movie. It's this amazing clip of super cute
clip of Debbie Osborne like smoking a joint for the
first time. I posted that on Instagram, I don't know,
a year ago whatever it was, And this was our
first interaction with Sean Baker, and he retweeted this you
know whatever you call it on Instagram. He reposted to
his stories, he shared it to his stories, and it
blew the frick up and got us like tons of
new followers. And I was like, and then we got
all this weird attention and somehow we got our account
blocked and banned.
Speaker 12: I want to get high, you Siddy, it's Donna stuff.
Speaker 3: I found it in your room.
Speaker 2: But anyways, what I'm trying to say is that Shawn
Baker is a fan because he knows that this is
a great movie. It's just a very time capsuley nineteen
seventy teenage girl finding her way in the world, suburban
world kind of movie. She's got a sister who's you know,
it's the familiar story, a sister who is more sexually experienced,
and she sort of a plays the voyeur at first,
and you know, I'll let you watch the movie to
find out what else happens. It features maybe one of
the greatest endings in this exploitation his story. That's all
I'm gonna say. I think, uh, I think our friend
m C. Christ on Marshall Marshall Christ says that more
possibly all movies should end this way.
Speaker 3: Well, Marshall has good tastes.
Speaker 2: Marshall Rushall has good taste. Four stars for Marshall. By
the way, I gave it three in a heart, but
I think it would be higher if I rewatched it. Yeah,
but yeah, Casey do your do your Crown International spiel.
Speaker 3: We don't know what the hell is going on with
Crown International. So the main, the main, the main people
tapping into the Crown Library for a long time. It
is Vinegar Syndrome and that was not a title that
they were going to look into, which pissed me off
because it was that Police Women and French Quarter, which
I was desperate for them to get, and they were like, no,
we'll do the Hearse instead, because who everyone wants the hearse?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: God, what terrible movie. So so all those licenses have
expired because they were a while ago. So all this
Crown International stuff is out of print. So I believe
that sometimes people have been trying to contact them to
re license stuff and somebody died or somebody's not answering
the phone, and then someone actually went to their physical
address and it's like shuddered, like that they're not around anymore.
And I don't know what that. I don't know where
those elements went then, because I don't know where they
were holding them. So Crown International is right now a
big orphaned conglomerate of like major stuff that we don't
know where it is at least with Novak, we know
where to go. Crown we don't know where to go.
So like, they have a lot of really good stuff,
including this, So I'm a little concerned about that library
and who has the rights to those now. The babysitter
Babysitter is great, love babysitter, pick up best friends. I
don't like chain game women, but I guess some people would.
Speaker 2: Just so many like drive in classics.
Speaker 3: It's just like you could put out with the baby,
weekend with the Babysitter. With Christine Murray from Georgia Jezebel.
Speaker 2: We talked about box sets a lot, but yeah, you
could do like a really good drive in. I think
maybe you know people in the DVD Ara remember all
these garbage drive in box sets where they, like I said,
they stacked like a million movies on a DVD of
ship quality, Like do a really good drive in movie.
Crown Internet Mill Creek ones, yeah those Mill Creek, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well mill Creek is Actually they a lot of those
were licensed from its Crown International, so they had some
nice restored ones, but it was hard to tell them
from their garbage ones. But that Blue Money, which we've covered,
that's Crown International so that's that's at a print and apossible.
You can't get hold of it now, it's yeah.
Speaker 2: It's I was just at the drift store today and
I saw one of those drive in Milk Greeks and
Blue Money was on there. Yeah, it was like, yes,
is so funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, there's there's a lot of good stuff. Yeah,
that's that's a concern. That's a that's a good concern. Stanley,
the Stanley Horror High which is good too. I'm trying
to think of all the other stuff to Vinigerson to
put out. Yeah, we don't need the hers, but there's
lots of other good stuff in there. So yeah, that's
where Cindy and Donna is and that wasn't even on
the radar vinegar syndrome or they just had no interest
in doing it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Debbie Osborne, Little Debbie and only her third movie,
and she's very good. M h.
Speaker 3: Concerning she was not an actress from the background that
we know about her, not an actress, not even in
high school. Didn't even do acting in ice. He's a
hippie hippie check who just somehow ended up being good
in s exploitation movies. Yeah, she's good in secret places
of secret things too. I mean, yeah, she again, very
underrated little actress, very underrated little actress.
Speaker 2: All right, we're on number two for Ryan.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't want to point out. I think it's
hilarious that I've listened to the podcast so much with
you guys that I keep getting lost and just like
watching that I'm in this fun backseat, I realize that
I'm not talking for like six minutes a row. I'm
just like, oh, this is just fun to watch, my
guys see. So, I don't know how to start this
because the reality is I had hoped that Casey would
have started with his rant, and so hopefully it'll just
glide off of mine, my big thing here. I don't
understand how this title does not have the cachet unless
there's something rights wise that I am not understanding. But
as far as I'm aware, there's one company associated with Yelling.
I guess is the way to name them without naming them?
That should have put this out already. I don't understand
how Not of This Earth does not have an HD release.
Nineteen eighty eight. Tracy Lords like the first legitimate title
the movie that is made because of a bet between
two hilarious exploitation directors Jim way Norski, Will Dotson. Being
my partner, I had to mention aa y Norski film,
and with this being such an obvious choice, how I mean,
if you release this tomorrow, anybody that is forty eight
and younger that is in this industry and has followed
anything related to this would buy this in a heartbeat.
Speaker 2: Sy Aliens, that's all you need yep.
Speaker 4: Right, exactly the amount of everything that this movie covers.
Plus it's a remake like it's nostalgic for people it is.
It is a quintessential late Eraic Corman sort of title,
and we just don't get to see a release like
it's just gone. Basically, it's something that very obviously should
be getting a marquee huge four K release, like three disc,
giant amount of extras. Tracy Lord sitting down for a
brand new retrospective two hour interview, and we can fuck
all like what are we doing?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 3: Include the original fifty seven version because they also have
that and they put that out on DVD two. So yeah,
just I don't know that you're right. I forgot that
that has not graduated beyond DVD and virtually everything else.
Those on that first run of Roger Corman's called Classics
has gotten at least a BLU ray, if not a
four K. At this point, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: We have a Blu ray of the documentary about making
by Norsky's other film, the documentary Papadopoulos is out on
Blu ray from Terror Vision, and we don't have none
of this or that makes any sense. Paul Johnson has
a terrifying secret.
Speaker 1: Either your case is one in a treaded where you
are not of this plot.
Speaker 5: A secret that conceives an alien presence with an overwhelming
hunger to survive.
Speaker 2: I am dying.
Speaker 4: My blood is back, relentless, and he is pursued.
Speaker 8: This guy scares me.
Speaker 3: He told me never to allow anyone in the basement,
Oh Johnson, with stuff at and nothing on Duby Hicks.
Speaker 1: What he wants, you will terminate yourself, doctor show.
Speaker 2: All right? That was Ryan's number two or on Casey's
number two.
Speaker 3: My number two is another one that I would think
would be with MGM, but I don't believe it is.
And I was trying to figure this out that way,
and I called someone about it using your database. I called, Yes,
he's in my database. But I called this person who
produced it, and it was a It was a savage
situation where I was like, well, no, I did theater,
I didn't do film, and I'm like, you did both.
I'm calling about the film, but you want to you
don't want to talk about the film. It's The Female
Response nineteen seventy three, Jennifer Wells movie. Did you ever
think I'd have a Jennifer Wells movie on.
Speaker 2: Because just last last episode you say, I don't care.
It has Jennifer Wells.
Speaker 3: In Nope, Nope. But it also has Jacqueline Colton around
the time she was in The Bitch for Andy Milligan.
It has Harry Reems using his real name. It has
Ross Kelly before Happy Days, and it's directed by Tim
Kinkaid before he was Joe Gage, before he did gay porn,
so he was an actor at this time, and shot
by Arthur D. Marx Graham Place edited it and did
the sound.
Speaker 2: Oh really.
Speaker 3: Shot in New York. It was announced as the official
film version of The Sensuous Woman until the author sued
and then they had to change the title to The
Female Response. So it was directed. It was produced by
a guy named Richard Lipton who was it was director
at Leamama, so he knew Tim Kinkaid from the theater,
Jacqueline Coleton from the theater, Jennifer Wells probably also Jennifer
Well's husband, Manny Durand died the music too, So there's
so many interesting people involved with this and it's fairly
very good. It came out of the city.
Speaker 2: Like, why does she read like a white coader?
Speaker 3: I think because it's supposed to be based on The
Censust Woman, which is like a kind of a sex
education book, but it's it's like it is a case
studies thing, but it's not a white coder. It doesn't
have like, you know, a guy sitesn't have people talking
to the camera or whatever. It came out through trans
American and trans American should be with MGM, so, but
I think it's kind of like Spree and some of
the other stuff they put out Sidismo was also trans American,
where MGM should have those, but they don't necessarily they
don't actually necessarily have them. Trans American is an offshoot
from AIP so, yeah, like Cycle Savages is technically Transamerican
and they have that, but this one so Richard Lipton,
I called, I found him in the film book and
it was definitely him, not that many of Richard Lipton's
shockingly in the phone book, and I said, so, I'm
trying to find Richard Lipton, who's produced who was a
film producer in the seventies. So they also did this
very obscure, hard to find, hardcore movie called Big Thumbs,
which was a or No musical in nineteen seventy seven,
and it was a major production. Vinegar Sundram has a print.
I know because Joe Ruben bragged me that he watched it,
and He's like, yeah, that's not that good. I'm just like,
let me be the judge of that, scan it and
send me a sand it to me, Like I don't,
don't tell me you have something I wanted to see
for my entire life. So Richard Lipton was like, well, no,
I was involved with theater. He worked with Leah Flanagan
too at La Mama.
Speaker 2: And he said, but no, I didn't know the Milligan connections.
Speaker 3: Lots of Milligan connections, yes, And so I was like, well,
the Richard Lipton, then, I'm trying to get a hold
of did work in theater. But through those theater connections.
Also did two films like Big Thumbs was also another
La Mama like musical person, and the person who wrote
Female Response did the music for Big Thumbs, so you
know they were partners. He was like, yeah, I don't know,
tell me more. And then he was like and then
he actually was like, tell me more about this Richard
Lipton who worked in film, Like what do you know
about him? And I was like, here we go. I
was like, I this is all I know. And he
was like, wow, sounds like a really interesting guy. Yeah
that's not me, and I'm just like it was kind
of like Gary Graver where he's like, yeah, I never
use a pseudonyme on my movies. I think Three Am
is some HBO movie. Get Pan Greer, I don't know,
but good luck finding Robert McCallum, whoever that is.
Speaker 2: So he was like, tell me about myself.
Speaker 3: Basically, he wanted to know. He wanted to vet the call.
You know. You know, it's kind of like when you
get telemarketers and you're kind of trying to figure out
what they're calling for because it could be something legit,
and it's kind of like, well, like, yeah, I don't
know what's to call in reference to let me just
you know there I might be able to get you
in touch with this person. It was a very weird
phone call. I think he's gone now. I think he
passed away a couple of years ago. But this movie
is now. It came out on video in the UK,
and I only know that because God loved the code
red Boy. Since send me a DVD r VHS rip
of the UK version. So I have the movie and
it's good. It's it's quite good, and I'd love to
see it nice and restored.
Speaker 1: The sensual Revolution now a motion picture, deals frankly and
honestly with the one moment that makes all women sisters
under the skin women so many kinds, so many sizes,
so many shapes, But what is it like to be
a woman?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Who is this lead listed as the lead? Raina Barrett?
Speaker 3: Dad, I know her name from somewhere. But I'll send
you the trailer because I have the trailer to send
you for an audio drop. But Jennifer Wells is like
a big It was her first movie after It was
one of her first movies after Scorpio seventy y Scorpio. Yes,
so Scorpio seventy was the first Jennifer Wells and then
Weekend with Strangers, and then this was announced in the
trades before week when the Strangers came out, So I
think they shot this earlier than seventy three, but it
came out seventy three, so it's very good. I had
the poster. I'd love to get Joe Gage to sign it,
but Joe Gage's Yeah, love Joe Gage's commentary, but he's
also iffy about getting back with people these days, just
like Jacqueline Colton. But yeah, Grand places connection in Arthur
did Mark's connection. So yeah, it's very good. It's very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this looks fun. Seventy three a very diverse cast
of women explaining their sexuality.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I mean you have Jacqueline Colton, who is
a plus sized woman and if it really it allows
her an opportunity. And it's not like jokey about like,
oh this fat woman wants to have sex too, It's
like it's actually handled very very gracefully and very like affectionately. Yeah,
and it's also like not anti there's a lesbian character.
It's not it's not hateful because I think it was
made by gay men. So I think it's a little
more open mind I did, then something earlier would be.
But that's good. Only fifteen views on letterbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this looks interesting.
Speaker 3: Joe Rubin has seen it. Joe Rubin says yeah, Joe
Rubin says it's good, and Chris Poggioli also reviewed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, above average exploitation that should have been and perhaps
was smattier.
Speaker 3: Maybe I kind of doubt it it was released as
an R rating. I don't think it was. It wasn't trying,
it wasn't supposed to be like a soft X movie.
I don't believe it was announced as an R rated project.
Speaker 2: So the promotion does not scream smuttier to me. It
screams no.
Speaker 3: It screams like a New World movie. It's is it
haring to be like student teachers or yeah, private nurses?
Speaker 2: That looks like yeah, the one sheet looks exactly like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, which I need to frame my one sheet.
I love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's a good one. All right. That
was yournumber two. I'm on my number one. All right,
let's do our number ones here. This my number one
is a film that I actually purchased a print of
the Italian title is I'm not you know what, I'm
not even going to try to pronounce it because Eugenio
Orclanni is gonna yell at me for my bad Italian.
Speaker 3: Size, isn't it?
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's oh that's pretty good. So it it
translates to the End of Innocence. But here's the issue
with this movie. Okay, So first of all, it's an
anti Bell movie. This was produced by Harry on On Towers. It's,
you know, another one of those euro pudding productions with
a million hands in the pie. But so yeah, in
that regard, it has a million titles, so it has
that original Italian title it. Harry actually wrote it under
the English Harry's a British person, a British person, He's
an Englishman, so he wrote it under the title the
End of Innocence. That is the title in his script.
So in my book, you know, I have this question
like how do I talk about, you know, what do
I call these movies? Do I want to call them
by their original title in their country of origin? Or
do I want to make this like as English friendly
as possible. So I'm making it as English friendly as possible,
despite this movie never actually being really released under the
title The End of Innocence. I'm calling it the End
of Innocence, so I'm going to call it Dan of Innocence.
But in America this was actually called Annie the True
Story of Annie Bell because this was the first movie
that they made together. It also went by the title
Blue Bell and b E lll E in England. So
why I picked this movie is because it's such a mess.
So I have a print of this, but it's the
it's the Italian print. It doesn't have any subtitles. It's
in Italian. This is the version that if you look
for this movie, if you want to watch it, there
is digital files floating and most likely you're going to
find this Italian version. The Italian version is different, it
has different edits in different music than the English version
I have seen under the title Bluebell. There's also a
German version which is called Annie Born to Love is
kind of the translation. That version's also a little different.
So there's just different versions that is floating all around.
I'd like to see someone put together a beautiful UHD
of this movie and include all these versions. Somehow. It
would take some work. I'm here for you if you
need me.
Speaker 3: Sarah, I'd like to live like this.
Speaker 1: It's just simple, That's right.
Speaker 2: Could I stay then?
Speaker 3: I'm afraid not. We are leaving soon.
Speaker 9: Where are you going to?
Speaker 3: Ingia? We leave tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Pick me with utah. No, Annie, you would only be
running away from yourself. You must discover yourself and live
your life the way you think.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so a little background. This is Annie's very
first movie as Annie Bell under that name, which was
kind of a title that Harry Allan Towers gave her
when he was sort of launching her as this new star.
It's like I mentioned, you know, it's another Emmanuel clone,
as I said before, but it's shot in Hong Kong
by Massimo Dolomano, you know, a big name in Italian cinema,
you know, cinematographer to Sergio Leone. This, Uh, it's a
it's a big it's a big film, you know. I
was just looking at the Severn just announced the absurd
UHD that you know I mentioned before, And there's a
comment on Facebook underneath their announcement. Hey you know what
movie I'd love to see?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: The End of Innocence. It also features Annie Bell.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: RAST wasn't sure account I'm not buying it. I do
want to see it. They came out on DVD in Japan.
I remember years ago when pre pre Diobolique DVD, there
was a place called Exploited Cinema which Tony Simonelli ran,
which was the go to place for imports, and he remember,
I remember, he sold copies of it and I never
bought it because it was Italian only and if it
and I knew if it was Japanese, if there was
gonna be full frontal unity, it was gonna be blurred,
so I I never got it. But it was supposed
to be gorgeous.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there is lots of full frontal nudity, very
tasteful and yeah this is yeah, this is a Massimo
Dolomno movie. This isn't super sleazy or anything, but yeah,
it also features Felicity Devonshire, who was a big pin
up model and UK. She did British exploitation and stuff
like that. But yeah, it sounds like there might be
I can't remember actually if this one was the rights
issue or an elements issue. Yeah, I'm looking back at
my emails. Yeah, it's a rights issue with this.
Speaker 3: I think it was the same as Laura which was like,
who knows.
Speaker 2: Obviously, this is like very important to me as a
film that I'd like to see released. You know, I
just wonder if that time has passed. Severn did these
They did these already back in the day. They put
that this kind of like mini box set out with
Felicity and Laura and Vanessa, right Vanessa, Yes, the three
single female movies. So I just wonder, Yeah, if these
these companies just don't want to put out vertica anymore.
Speaker 3: They're so, I mean, he's They're still putting out erotica.
They just put out the Emmanual collection last year on
four K. What are you talking about? What are you
talking about? They're still selling They have a pin with
Annie Bell nude for Absurd instead of having her with
the with the face from the Oven and Absurd. Yeah,
thank you, So this pin Laura jemser La. So let'spproach.
Speaker 4: Let's approach the reality of this though, since this is
something I can talk about, is we are in a
situation where they are not they are not marketing sexploitation
in most of these films, and the reality is that
we are in a period of home video where that
doesn't sell. It's not something that that is what people
are running to purchase. And that's why again not to
kiss Ass. That's why this show, I think is so
important because it's actually bringing up the importance of this genre,
this era, the the things that we're about to lose
because we are not focusing on the right aspects of this.
And so the only way that we got an Anti
Bell pin is because it's a pure exploitation film and
it's not even her in that movie. Like that's why
this is so sort of weird in this industry because yes,
we do have to like, these companies have to profit.
If they can't profit, it's not going to be able
to keep working. And so yeah, Anti Bell is beloved
by some people, Uh not enough and not enough have
been educated about that. But we're at a position where
if they want to sell these box sets or just
these individual visual titles, they have to they gotta put
out the horror because the horror sells, and that or
we got to find a way to come full circle
and not have our consumers be prude.
Speaker 3: So right, well called Epics is still putting out tentto
Brass on four K, right, I mean, well, there's as well,
they're they're not running out. I mean there they on
DVD on Blu Ray, but they're upgrading and they might
be the key.
Speaker 4: They may stop choosing to do that if they continue
selling at a rate that the first If they if
they keep selling like the last two did, which is
a lot less than the first two did, it might
be a problem.
Speaker 3: It's too bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the thing, yeah, I mean, we could go
on a branch about tinto Brass, like the tentto Brass
I don't think is really it's never really broken into
America and markets. I feel like, yeah, they're just very
he's very Italian. Yeah, on that topic too. Yeah, the
eighty eight films, you know, heard through the grape vine
as well that some of their sexier titles didn't do
super well, so you know whatever, oh.
Speaker 3: Like eleven Days, eleven nights, that kind of thing. Yeah, Yeah,
that was a four K, which I was shocked by.
I don't four K. Four k's a bridge too far
for certain titles. It's just an astra added expense, you really,
it's Yeah, I would personally be a little more cheesy
with the four k's, but that's.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, Ryan, what's your opinion on four K like,
when do you think it's worth putting something out on
four K?
Speaker 4: This is one of the hardest questions to answer. And
the reality is, because you know elements wise, it's got
to be a good enough element to get more of
the grain and more of the pixels out of it,
make make the increase in quality makes sense. I'm not
a fan of these things that were finished in two
K or below getting four K upgrades. And everybody's saying, ooh,
but the colors, Like, while I understand they when they
made that movie, it was not meant to be mind
blowingly bright when it's the yellow scenes and such, So
I don't know that we need to put Dolby vision
on a two K finished film. On the other hand, like,
there's a lot of these movies that are not selling
on Blu Ray when they get announced. And the hard
part is so many consumers right now are literally I'll
just wait for a four K and no matter how
many times you bang them over the head and say listen,
it's never going to get four K, they just say, oh, well,
then I don't need it, and that sort of thing.
It's literally going to kill this industry.
Speaker 2: So you're fighting people that are waiting for a four K,
and also people that maybe can't afford four ks. Is
that what I'm hearing.
Speaker 3: In quality is that much of an upgrade that they'll
just buy the Blu Ray.
Speaker 4: That's another option. I mean that does happen, yes, But
the reality is there are a lot of these people,
first off, that are loud and they're saying things in
the comments that are turning other people off, not even themselves,
or making a choice that they were never going to
make to begin with, but they are going to say
something and now somebody else will say, oh wait, there
might be a four K coming. Now I won't pre
order this, and that is going to tank this. And
if you say that about enough titles, and even if
you're not influencing other people, but if you're genuinely not
purchasing titles because you think it's going to come to
four K, most movies will never ever be on four
k UHD. And you have to understand that it is
an industry that is literally I mean, we've talked about
it for decades and I Lamento on my show about
it all the time. We've been told since two thousand
and five that physical media is dying. Literally today I
posted an announcement about a five disc four K exclusive
worldwide restoration of Sallo, one of the most banned censored
films of all time, being released in Germany in a
luscious box that the restoration looks incredible. We are in
a golden age of releases, but also in a very
like teetering on the edge of a cliff where if
one release doesn't do well, some of these companies will
go bankrupt, like very quickly, and that is terrifying to
literally be living and dying based on the swing of
the economy, to be living and dying based on one
bad review could literally tank a release. Yes, it's awful.
It's so volatile that no matter what you choose, and
I mean, I'm going to be flat out you know,
when Antenna's starting to release physical media later this year,
I have literally almost two full years of releases planned.
Out of that entire two year schedule, one title is
currently maybe going to be UHD that is it.
Speaker 2: I almost feel like maybe it's advantageous just to not
even be a four K li like like say, that's
not even on our plate, like everything is blu ray,
because then you won't have those people saying well, I'm not.
I don't don't don't know if I'm gonna buy this
because it might be coming on four K in a
couple of years. Like it's not we're not doing four
k's and that's you kind of.
Speaker 3: Have to be that way. Yeah, you have to be
forthcoming or announced at the same time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the one title that I'm considering four K
on is a not modern like in the last three years,
but it's a fairly contemporary title that was shot on
film and that was one of the main selling points
when they originally marketed the film. And if we don't
do that on four K, I'm going to get shot
in every single comment section and people are going to
take me out on the hill and beat me with
a stick and nothing about that exactly. And the amount
of times I have to answer that question on disconnected
posts every single day is so tiring. It is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I know we hate AI, but maybe we could create
an AI bot to answer those questions for you.
Speaker 4: No, I prefer drinking water, but that's.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, let me do it.
Speaker 3: No, I would tank your reputation because I would be
already way my comments where I replies back, but.
Speaker 4: Why no four K? Why no brain cells?
Speaker 3: Well that kind of reminds me of like I was
shocked that I f C Films put out Tornado through
their partner label with OCN. But then I was like, well,
it was shot on film. So that's a marketing thing
where it's like, well it's shot on film, it's going
to look gorgeous on four K video. If something's not
digitally and I don't.
Speaker 4: Know, it's different and even worse, a Tornado was already
released on four K in the UK, and so if
they only released on Blu Ray here, people would pay them.
Yeah literally, yes, that is very true.
Speaker 3: Yes, Look something's on four K somewhere else and it
comes out Blu Ray only here. It's just like, well
I will just get the import. Yeah yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know how other people's mindsets work, but for me,
it's just like, look, if I'm do I want American
jiggle on four K?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: Do I want ilsa Harem Keeper of the oil Sheets
on four K? I don't need that on four K?
Speaker 4: Yes I do, I do?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, that's that's Blu Ray.
Speaker 3: Listen. My thing is this, if it's a movie that
I want. I am buying it on the best version available.
If it's Bluery only great, if it's four K, great.
I just want to have the best looking version of
the movie. Yeah, because it's important to build my library
of movies that I like. So if it's going to
be and that Severn is actually very smart and that
they're doing this UHD upgrade thing on their sales, so
it is stuff that's been on Blu Ray before. But
they're also I'm sure people complain about this. I personally don't.
That they're putting out a lot of stuff that they
put soundtrack CDs on of the of the Blu rays,
and now the four K upgrades don't have the soundtrack CD,
so now you have to hold Now you have to
hold on to those Blu rays. And I'm like, y'all
new here, you're a cult. You own multiple editions of movies.
That is just the way it is. So like, yeah,
that does not bother me. But I think they're smart
and that they're marketing and it's like this is a
UHD upgrade and it's a special day that we're announce
sing it and that's kind of what you have to
do because I think that way they're leaning into it, like, yeah,
this is coming out on four K, but like now
it's an upgrade, so like if you want to upgrade,
you can upgrade.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just just pull the CD, you know, just
pull the soundtrack CD out of your Blu ray case,
put that in a separate area of your house in
another case. Go and sell the Blue ray, Sell the
Blu Ray at a thrift store, get five bucks, and
then upgrade to the UHD. That's what you do.
Speaker 3: No, because of wait a minute, no, then you need
a separate case because then it's going to have an
extra space with no disc in it. And if you
sell it at the thrift store, gentry, are you a
physical media are you a physical media collector? That does
not work? And also keeping your your CDs are supposed
to be in jewel cases. There's no jewel case for this,
so you can't just put it somewhere and you don't
have extra.
Speaker 2: You put it in a CD binder.
Speaker 4: Anymore?
Speaker 3: No, No, no, I do with r duel case with
artwork and trackless saying and all of that. Yeah, that
is what you do. You guys, This is very upsetting.
This is crazy, This is crazy. No, you don't do that.
You don't do that.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: The only blastmost thing I've ever done is I have
when there were Blu Ray dv Blue Ray DVD combos
of stuff, I tossed the DVDs. Those are gone and
then I rehouse those and just Blu Ray only.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's the only thing I've done. But other than that, no,
I would never separate those CDs. I would rather just
buy the CD itself from like and you know, from
Beat Records or whatever like Bag in your Horror it's
a good example of that. I'll be on the darkness.
Speaker 2: But like, okay, I'm talking about the Absurd, you know,
the Absurd from Severn that has a scene.
Speaker 3: I'm okay without that soundtrack. That soundtrack is mostly stolen
from the movies, is it not?
Speaker 4: Or you just rip the Blu Ray version before you
you house it somewhere else.
Speaker 3: That's true to well, Blue Underground. Same thing. I have
to hold on to these friggin Blue and Justine because
the soundtracks are there. But I'm gonna get the four k's,
so I have.
Speaker 2: To I have to have both.
Speaker 3: They're not gonna have don't have the soundtracks, Yeah, no,
they don't. They four k's don't have the soundtrack? Do
you do you not? Do you not? Live by DVD?
Compare dot net? I do not spread a beginning of
the episode that I have a a Google doc where
I compare releases, for example, all the all the all
the Golden Princess stuff arrow only not shout, I compare.
I'm comparing, you know, So, yeah, I have to compare
and contrast, Like, for example, come back to the five
and nine Jimmy Dean, and Jimmy Dean has the extra
from the Eureka Blu Ray, So that goes off my
Eureka list of stuff to buy on another spreadsheet because
I don't need that Blue Ray now because it's on
this I am a buddy, I am. I am compulsive
about this stuff. Yeah. I need to know the best,
what the best version is, and m I need multiple versions.
Speaker 4: So I think I'm that.
Speaker 2: I think I'm fairly anal about some of that stuff.
Speaker 3: But I'm worse.
Speaker 2: You're definitely another level.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm way worse. Oh, I just found out something.
Oh the Blood rose Monta Micawber just put out the
Lushaki Foon. Blue four K has a three minute thing
of behind the scenes footage from the shoot. I don't care.
It's not on that release. So I need the Shaky
Film release because I need the behind the scenes footage
from the shoot of the film. Why was that not
on there? So yeah, I'm gonna have to now import
that because I need footage from when the movie was shot.
Speaker 2: Do you know.
Speaker 3: A three minute thing? I will pay an import fee.
Yeah that's sound insane, I am yeah, yeah, anyway, yes,
so sorry, major.
Speaker 2: Work Ryan number one.
Speaker 4: All Right, So this is this is gonna sound like
an Edgelord pick, but the reality is I would see
this happening as more of a bastion of an end
to censorship in a few different ways. So obviously, you know,
I just brought up Sallow for another thing, and that
has been literally one of the most band titles of
all time. Germany has been fighting for years to be
able to get that off the list, and it was
done semi recently, and now they have literally the best
release that that film will likely ever get. In the
only most tangential of ways that you could look at
this as a sexploitation film, In the reality, it's mostly
like the most fucked up kid film ever or fucked
up teen film. If we ever see a release of
Ken Park, I feel like it is the end of things.
And with Larry Clark being who he is and with
everything that has been reappraised over the last couple of years,
with Gummo and Harmony, Krinn being Harmony and everything from
that era being just weird, and everybody kind of coming
to terms with like, listen, kids are just little adults,
and a lot of that is just kind of fucking
and playing around, and a lot of that means a
lot of these fucked up teen movies are kind of
fucked up, and this is one of them. And it's
one that you know, if you've been in this industry
long enough, most people have a few shitty bootlegs of
this that they've owned or have watched, or have told
somebody where to purchase one or what have you. It's
on the old you know, Iceberg of horrific films or
whatever the people call it. But at the same time,
it's also just a movie, Like there's so much worse
depending on the kind of person that you are, that
you've seen in other films, and this really only based
on the subject of this is sexploitation adjacent, but God,
this movie's wild. I still can't believe we have actual
releases of kids finally, but now that we have approached
all those other you know, crossed lines, Ken Park is
kind of the one remaining. And even if you don't
view this as exploitation, which makes the perfect sense situation here,
I'm so anti censorship that I would feel that that
could be like one of the biggest wins of all time,
not just for this industry, but for the idea of
being anti art and in a world where we're fighting
AI literally every waking moment of our life. Please, that
would be like the biggest middle finger.
Speaker 5: Whish Claude Peaches Mike tape and that's me and the end.
Speaker 3: We all live in a little Tanan, California called by Celia.
Speaker 5: I don't know why your mother married man, why I
got muscles? Look at pants, didn't even walk around in
those things?
Speaker 3: Look at you like that might feel sick? Who ows that?
Do we know?
Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I don't think it's a studio
or anything. I literally think it's just people being It's
just people being terrified of the film. Yeah, And as
far as I know, like it's still banned in Australia.
You can't even import it if you had, if you've
got to any sort of release of that, you can't
import it.
Speaker 3: Interesting when you said ads, yeah, go ahead, Gentry so well,
I was just gonna say so as like, you know,
someone that grew up in the nineties with you know,
gumbo harmony was it's just weird how people look at
them nowadays, because we don't.
Speaker 2: We didn't really look at them like that. We just
saw them as like crazy teen movies.
Speaker 4: Like it was. It was like Life plus one. It
wasn't that crazy. So much of this was just like
fairly elevated from reality for so many people. Yes, and honestly,
I think the way that people in this industry look
down on those films was just from such a privileged
place because they've never been marginalized. They've never been in
a situation where they've had to leave their kids at
home while they worked for a full shift or something like.
So many of these things were just a part of
everyday in normal life for people living in New York
City or suburbs or got small towns in the middle
of Mississippi because they don't have anybody right exactly, people
can't just have people there to watch their kids. In
the nineties, if you were nine, you were staying home
by yourself, like so much of this And it wasn't
just times were different either, it was people are forced
into situations. And that's like kids in ken Park and Gummo,
where people forced into situations and telling that story. I
don't know, weird, Randy h No.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought when you said an Ed'slord pick,
I thought you were going to do Mala del Vicenzo.
Have you heard of that?
Speaker 4: I've heard of it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It came out briefly through X rayed cult video as
import in Germany and it was sold briefly on Exploited
Cinema before they shut it down, and I have a copy.
It is. It's quite something. Uh, it's a lot of
underage nudity and like a coming of age story with
a girl who with a young girl who has now
gone on record as an adult that she was exploited
and sold like trafficked by her mother. So that makes
that even worse that I definitely no one would touch that.
That's really it's like that's a different level of repulsive.
That is something I could I could see being champion
by ed Forth.
Speaker 2: Kids is easy to put I think easier to put
out because of all the actors and actresses that went
on to bigger things. I'm trying to remember who is
in ken Park if there's any names on that level,
and I don't think there are no. There are amateurs,
mostly amateurs, Oh James R James. Yeah, but the rest.
Speaker 3: Of the Kids also seems like The Kids is also
I think viewed now as kind of like a starting
point for a lot of success stories. Yes, if it's
something where it's done with amateurs and then those kids
ended up like I don't know, O Ding five years
later or which or you know, God knows, then that
is also not a great reputation to attach to that film.
And so it'd be like, well, I don't want to
watch this. Uh maybe yes, right, So that might I
don't know if that's part of it. I don't know.
There's definitely That is one of those movies that I've
never seen and I was never really driven to see it.
But there are enough companies that I think would want
to like push the envelope, that would want to try
to do that. You know, it's not like we're talking
about bo deal Jensen's Animal Lover, Like, it's not something
that's actually technically illegal, is it?
Speaker 4: I don't think anything, And there's no yeah, right.
Speaker 3: Right, it really is not melodyle Agenzo, which is like, yeah,
that's that's not great.
Speaker 4: But there's all kinds of random bs that's associated with it.
So somebody if I remember, right, and again I've not
researched this in a long time. I believe Larry Clark
like assaulted somebody in the UK that was supposed to
distribute it or something like that, because there was god
statements about like nine to eleven was the best thing
that happened to America or something like that. Larry Clark said,
no the UK distributor and Larry Clark, wow that one
or something that.
Speaker 3: Was actually well, that sounds like a story that Larry
Clark would make up to sound like a hero.
Speaker 4: YEP.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I buy it. Larry Clark, I
don't know about you, sir. Yeah, I don't know, but
that's crazy story.
Speaker 2: But here's the question, Ryan, like, at what point does
the behind the scenes of a film affect your decision
to possibly be involved with distributing it?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you're gonna open up a folcan of worms,
because this is gonna be wild for a company that's
only been around for five five and a half months publicly,
we've already had to sign, start working on, and fully
cancel a title that we've never announced that we had
because of some things that I was told and based
on that, Like, there was a lot of moments internally
where it was like, man, we had a really good
movie that we both enjoyed and that this is great,
And immediately when we found out what was being said,
there was no question. We shut it down and got
the director on the phone literally thin ten minutes and
canceled our contract. We just said, we can't do this.
We want nothing to do with this good luck and
that sort of thing. Like if you want to operate
with integrity, and that's literally what you're basing your entire
company around, there's no waivering, there's no way that you
can waffle on that. And the reality is that, yeah,
you know the Ken Park thing. Would I want to
be associated with all these stories?
Speaker 1: Note?
Speaker 4: Would I want the controversy and clicks of selling that? Fuck? Yeah, Like,
I gotta be honest, the pr behind that would be incredible.
The hard part is if I remember I too. One
of the big hurdles for this is music licensing. They
got a license, a lot of stuff's license just for
I think they played Tribeca or Tell You Ride or something,
and it premiered there, and that's the only place that's
played in the US because of music clearances. And if
that is one of the big things holding it back,
and they're not willing to change anything about it, I mean,
you can't really do anything. So one of the big
things that we're talking about internally, there's a I mean,
I'll just flat out not say the title, but I'm
sure people can narrow it down. There's a school shooting
movie that we're looking at and being somebody that is,
you know, a kid of the eighties, I will never
forget the day Columbine happened. I will never forget the
day that Aurora happened. I will never forget the day
that Sandy Hook happened. I'll never forget, you know, fifteen
of these shootings. And based on that, I have sort
of a deep desire to put out a couple of
films that show the graphic intensity not just of school shootings,
but of like suicides of people that are stuck in
a loop of not giving a flying fuck about gun control,
and then pouring my heart into as many contextual extras
and interviews with people that have been involved in shootings
and people that are, you know, lobbying to get these
things shut down because I'm tired of my kids having
to do lockdown drills. I'm tired of feeling like I
don't like going in public. I live in Kansas City
and a few years ago the Chiefs won the Super
Bowl and there was a shooting at the super Bowl
parade that morning. My child asked if we could go
to the parade, and I said, we just we can't go.
I got to do some work and if I'd chose
the other option and went, who knows.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, you're thinking, like, you know, maybe I
can actually move the needle with something. Yeah, it's possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a possibility. Yes, Yeah, I think there is
a sense of I like that sense of responsibility if
you're going to be distributing something, Yeah, there is that.
I think there is an obligation if you're now part
of that film's history and part of that film presenting
that film story to people that it depends on how
you're presenting that story, how you're presenting that film and
its history in the context. I think that's really important.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you don't acknowledge, it's good lying biomission.
Speaker 3: Very much so, very much so. And uh yeah, no,
I agree.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a strong number one there for me, Ryan Casey,
What can you do for your number one?
Speaker 3: Mine is much more lighthearted than that. Mine is one
that I've ranted about for a long time online, and
I'm sure that Shaft Factory hates me for it. As
we were talking about their acquisition of the Roger Corman
New World Library, there is one title that was the
first movie that they ever released, and it was a massive,
massive hit, written into a co written interactions by a
woman very shockingly still prescient in its progressive politics. In
this movie advertises a sexy second movie with four girls
in it, the student nurses.
Speaker 2: And screened at the new BEV.
Speaker 3: Yes, and this is a masterpiece. This is it is
aged so beautifully. But we are saddled with a really gross,
disgusting DVD transfer of this from literally two thousand and one,
twenty five years ago, and we have all the other
Nurses movies came out in a collection all the sequels
which are not as good as this. I mean, Nikall
Nurses is great, Young Nurses is good, Candy Stripe Nurses
is good. Private Juty Nurses is hot garbage. This is
a masterpiece. Like it's important for New World, it's important
for independent cinema in the seventies. It's important for politics
in American cinema. It's important for women in representation in cinema.
It's very a cab it's very pro Medicare for all.
It's very pro choice. Yeah, like one of the nurses
ends up abandoning school to go give free healthcare to
like low income families in downtowns Los Angeles, because she's like,
you know what, I'm just part of the system and
this system sucks. I'm out of here. I'm gonna go
give free healthcare to people like this is this is
still crazy. This is still very very of its time.
Speaker 7: Changed.
Speaker 3: I remember when it came out, I reviewed for DVD
drive in and I was like, everyone needs to buy
this is don't The poster is nothing like the movie
it has. It stars Aline Giftos as one of the nurses.
She was on a good show called The Interns at
the same at the time. She was in this where
she played a nurse and she her husband was Mike
Ferrell before mash and Christopher Stone was on that show.
And eLink Giftos is a great Barbara Lee, who was
supposed to be en Parella is good in it. Years ago.
I was so obsessed with this movie. I bought First
of all, I own every piece of press material that
ever came out for this movie. I had the poster
of the press book. I have a full stills package.
I literally was obsessed with this movie when I saw
it for the first time and I was trying to
do It's a Nurse's Reunion. I wanted to do an
article where I interviewed all four of them. So I
talked to Barbara Lee a Ton and she was very helpful,
and then Elaine Giftos was evasive, and then I couldn't
get a hold of Camp Carlton, and Bringonna Farrell was
also tough to get and she just died in twenty eighteen,
so then now we'll never get a Nurse's Reunion. The
soundtrack is great, It's yeah, I just love everything about this.
It was on the Criterion Channel last year. It still
pops up on the Criterion channel every once in a while,
because it's like, it's an important movie, but it's such
a garbage train. It's just like, I don't know why
you would not release this. It doesn't need to be
a tricked out edition. Put it out as a Bear
Bones Blu ray. It's a majorly important time. I mean, yeah,
she turns ninety this year. Do you not want to
commentary for her?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's available, She's she is.
Speaker 3: She was on the Terminal Wild Blu Rayyah, which is
crazy because and that's also Barbara Lee from this movie. Yeah.
I just think it's very short sighted, and that is
actually that's why I will I will have personal beef
with Cliffate Mullen. You can leave this in. I will
have personal beef with Cliffate Mullen on this because I
know the movies he prioritized for Shot Factory to put out,
like Dead Space and Twice Dead, because he liked the actress.
Because the Code Red boys told me everything they knew
all about this deal. They knew the movies Cliff wanted
and Cliff prioritized. This was never discussed and has never
been discussed at Shot Factory to reissue, and I have
that is personal beef I have over this title. This
is like, this is a major, major, major, important, historically
important movie now outside of the genre. So it's crazy,
is it?
Speaker 2: Because the four girls aren't like household names, none of
them are.
Speaker 3: Shouldn't matter. Wanda came out this year. People don't know
who Barbara lodon Is. Criterion put out Wanda.
Speaker 4: Shout more obscure people in it like that that, Yes,
the Lady in.
Speaker 3: Red, for God's sake, that's a great movie. But yeah,
that's not that's not a household thingg Like, yeah, they're
they're very it's very It's just crazy to me unless
the negative is gone and say that, say we don't
have the elements for it. Instead, it's radio silence over this.
The very first movie The New World ever released is
not restored and available, the very first movie. Yes, thank you?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Did you look at reviews when this is? When this
screened at NEWBEV? Did you check out any No?
Speaker 3: I'm always nervous to do that because I don't think
anybody will. I I don't know if people will respond
to this as strongly as I did and still do,
because I'm I mean, I'm nuts for this movie. I
really am like, I'm yeah, this is this is one
that I don't argue about. If people don't like it,
I'm like, okay, we don't have anything to discuss.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if I watched this so important, if you
have stars, this podcast is over. I was gonna ask, but.
Speaker 3: You would not because I think you would understand. Yeah,
there's just there's so much good stuff in here, like
Barbara Lee is really good in there, and an abortion
and it's handled really really sensitively and effectively. It's so
it's yeah, it's it's it's it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's read about it in Corman in a couple of
Corman like biography books. But yeah, I've never seen it.
Speaker 3: Have they covered it a new Real Pictures podcast?
Speaker 4: I think?
Speaker 3: So I was gonna say, guys, if you haven't covered it,
I will come on and yaw and mute. I'll just
I can say on you and take a break. I will,
I will just I will monologue about this thing. Yeah,
this is yeah, this is a Yeah. I rave about
this one every chance.
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you do my coming hey day.
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so it's God's pretty knock go.
Speaker 12: We know, Ray, what could.
Speaker 10: You be like this?
Speaker 12: What cat you be like that? How is the will?
Are you will?
Speaker 3: I said?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 12: You can lead up? You will be woping.
Speaker 9: We know we woke the house. Broday so got fine
last year, treat.
Speaker 12: Me in this great man? So let's got.
Speaker 9: That's pretio. No, No, we don't wait, let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's go. We are.
Speaker 12: Let's go, don't go good way.
Speaker 13: You will say, well wait, wellday, I knowing what's about?
Speaker 8: Say so let's gun last your great wee this week
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