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your support. Mecklenburg County Commissioners gave the green light for

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a referendum to be put to us we the voters,

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on whether we would like to raise the sales tax

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by one percent to take it from seven and a

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quarter to eight and a quarter. It'll raise billions of

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dollars over decades, and it will be used for Forty

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percent of it will be used for roads, but that

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includes sidewalks and street lights, forty percent for rail, and

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another twenty percent for other transit related things like micro transit,

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which is basically government run Uber. I have concerns about

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that because now you are going to be putting Uber

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out of business. Lift out of business, right, like, why

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would people pay the full cost of those rides when

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they can get gov code to come to. However, chances

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are the micro transit government service probably won't be as

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efficient and probably won't be running all of the regular

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hours that Uber and Lyft do. I don't know, We'll

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see how it works. Look, I'm a I would prefer

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there be micro transit versus buses seriously, because like the

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cost per rider is probably cheaper. You got buses that

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ride around, they have very few people on them, Like,

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get rid of that bus service and just run taxis

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or something. But I would say, do it as a

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voucher program. Give people a card, you know, do so

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it means testing, So you get a preloaded card and

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you could use that, or you can buy cards and

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then use those cards for your Uber and Lyft drivers.

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I would say that's a better way to do it

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as a voucherized kind of a program. But what do

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I know. I mentioned also that there was a presentation

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made like twenty years ago talking about how a lot

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of our roads have been designed and you know, particularly

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here in the in the southeast where you know, we

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have a long there's a long history, you know, two

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hundred plus years, well three hundred, four hundred years, and

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how did these roads come about? A lot of them

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were built based on animal paths, because the hunters followed

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the animals, and then the trading paths. There was already

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a path here, so let's go ahead and follow this path,

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and then it takes you to this town. And so

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then when you know, the automobile comes along, they just

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pave those roads. And so a lot of the you know,

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road planning quote unquote was done by animals, and Dave

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wanted to know if he can read more about that history. Look,

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I just remember the story that was told to me

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during this presentation, this discussion about road planning twenty years ago.

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So I know I do not have a source for

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you on that. I also heard that, like, for example,

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why are our roads as wide as they are? Because

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you go overseas, you go to other countries and they've

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got different sized roads, like real like you know, cities

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that have been around for thousands of years whatever, they

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got these tiny little roads and all of that right,

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because they built up before the automobile. But why does

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the automobile, Why is it as wide as it is,

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which dictates how wide you build the roads? How did

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that come about? Well, Initially you had the roads built

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to the horse and carriage. You see where this is going, right,

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So how wide is a horse And that's how wide

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you built the road because the ruts would dig it

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in and so you knew where the road was. Right.

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So then when you come in and you're finally going

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to put cobblestone down or pavement down, you do it

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over this existing road. And that's based on literally the

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width of a horse's ass. That's so there you go.

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That's how we ended up. Anyway, Now, one of the

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problems in any of these types of projects, or because

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by the way, part of the other deal is the

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state legislation that allowed for this vote. It also creates

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a transit authority. This is part of the Pave Act.

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It does not specifically carve out seats for public transit users,

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which is what a lot of the people who were

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speaking at the County commission meeting were demanding. They want

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they want riders, users of the system to have a

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voice on the governing authority, the transit authority. This is

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going to be this According to a story WBTV by

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Naomi Coles, the specifics of how to spend a large

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portion of the funding would be decided by a tightly

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controlled twenty seven person group. I don't know what the

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tightly controlled adjective refers to, because it's appointed. You get

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appointments by Again, this is twenty seven total seats. You

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have two that are appointed by the General Assembly, one

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appointed by the governor, twelve appointed by the City of Charlotte,

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six appointed by the County Commission, and then another six

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appointed by each of these six quote unquote small towns.

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The other municipalities in Mecklenburg County Huntersville, Cornelius, Matthews, Minhill, Davidson, Pineville.

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So that's the makeup of this authority, right. They're all appointments,

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but there's twenty seven members on the body. They cannot

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be current elected officials, they cannot be lobbyists. Two appointments,

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one from the Charlotte designation and one from the Mecklenburg

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County designation, would be reserved for quote otherwise qualified people

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who are also active users of cats. But if you

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can't find anybody qualified to fill those seats, then it

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releases the commission of that requirement. And that's not enough.

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According to Robert Dawkins of Action and See, which has

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been opposed to this plan. They're not opposed to mass transit,

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they're just opposed to this plan. And what Dawkins said

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is what I see as an unhealthy alliance for six

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spots which will always make you able to run the board.

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So I don't know who those six spots are. He says,

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that's the three people that will get appointed by the

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folks in the General Assembly. But that's not true. Only

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two are actually coming from the General Assembly. One is

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from the governor, but he counts that as three for

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some reason. And then the three corporate appointments and then

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two small business people. Okay, because that is they laid

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out like you got to have some small business representation,

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corporate representation, that sort of thing. So okay. But even

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if I take mister dawkins math at face value and say, okay,

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you have six members on that body, and you think

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he says, you put them all together and they're going

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to always be able to run the board. But I'm

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at a loss to understand how six members control twenty

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seven or twenty one others. How does six members of

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a twenty seven member board control that board? So look

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piece of Advice to Action n C and Robert Dawkins,

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I think you have to come up with some better

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arguments because this does this one doesn't make any sense.

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One of the biggest issues has always been whether it's

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consolidation of the local government. You know, because I've heard

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you know, this has been debated for decades. Get rid

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of the County Commission, there's no need for them anymore,

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and just consolidate into Charlotte.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the county won't do that because they don't

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want to give up their power and whatever. So the

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other problem, though, is that whenever you comprise a body

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and you're looking at the six small towns and then

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you're looking at the City of Charlotte, you have seven municipalities.

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Charlotte has way more people. So any kind of way

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that you design these boards or authorities or commissions, you're

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you're always running the risk of creating a perpetual majority

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vote for either the City of Charlotte if you do

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it by population or square mileage or something, or amount

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of money being confiscated through taxes and diverted into the

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commission or agency. So if you were to wait it

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in some way per capita or something, Charlotte's going to

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have the run of the roost, right, they're going to

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be able to veto or vote against anything else that

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comes from the small towns. So the small towns never

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want to be a part of that because they're then

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abdicating power and control. Okay, well, if you go the

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other direction, can we find a way to make like

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the empower the small towns. Well, then the city of

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Charlotte won't go in on that because they're like, we

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have more people, we spend more money, whatever, So they

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don't want to abdicate control and power either. It's always

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a problem with these types of things. And so this

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twenty seven member authority is, you know, the intent is

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to try to get at that balancing between the towns,

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the city, the county, with some input from the state.

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The idea is you have basically a team of rivals.

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It sounds like, so I'm not really sure if this

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is the best argument for action, and see to oppose it.

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this is from David. Let me get to the text line.

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David writes in Hi, Pete, this is David from Matthews.

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Why trust the people that run the trains? Remember a

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couple of years ago when the trains were jumping the

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rails because they hadn't done the proper monthly maintenance to

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the cars, and it was oversight and abuse and neglect.

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Yeah right, that's like that's the problem here is like

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you guys have been running a system that has had

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a whole bunch of problems already, and now maybe with

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the new transit authority, you create this transit authority and

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now maybe some of this stuff gets fixed now. I also,

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you know, I got a little bit of PTSD coming

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out of you know, New York Low those many years ago.

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I mean, I've been down in the Carolina since nineteen

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ninety two. But there's always problems with these transit authorities

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and eventually, like the one up there, I forget what

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it's called. I think it's just the MTA. I think

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they call it. It's Jersey, New York. Maybe Connecticut is

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in there, and it's like the Port Authority or something

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like that. I don't even remember. But like it's basically

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it's it's its own, like unaccountable government. I don't want that.

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David also adds Lama, You're welcome regarding the sales tax

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for light rail. Here's another Texter. Get the federal money first,

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then come to the voters. For the one sent sales tax.

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I am sixty three years old. I don't have thirty

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years to pay that penny. If I was thirty three,

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I still wouldn't have thirty years to pay that penny.

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So you can't get the federal money because it's a match.

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You can't get the grant until you lock down state

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and local funding sources. That's that's my recollection of how

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the process works. Roger says, Pete, give our city officials

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some credit. They have a proven record with properly spending

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on our money on the light rail repairs and bulletproof

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vests for bus drivers. Yes, that's right. How do I get?

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Harry wants to know how he gets a supervisor's job

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with the city. I don't know. And then, uh wait,

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hang over this thing. Sorry the text line. I'm reading

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this thing and it bounces, so I'll start reading something

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and then it bounces out of my screen. So I'm sorry,

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So where was I here? Don't forget the new v

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A t AKA the tariffs on imports, says Jefferson, and

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Kevin says, when I just tuned in, at first, I

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thought you were talking about the new US tariffs. I

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fear those are going to do the same thing. The

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Meckelberg tax increase will do drive up cost on all products,

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even those coming from inside the US are going to

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go up because companies are going to raise the prices

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to increase profit. It's not a matter of increasing their profits, Kevin.

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It's a matter of maintaining their profit margin. Okay, they're

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not going to raise It's not that you raise the

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prices to make more money. It's that you raise the

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prices to offset your losses that you're now incurring. As

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long as they are cheaper than the foreign goods, that's

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all that matters to consumers. Somebody wants to know what

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the name of the Oh, did you already answer them?

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On the bumper music? Somebody did? I think having Charlotte

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spend the money as it's supposed to because I'm reading

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the feed. I'm not reading that other screen. Having Charlotte

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spend the money as it is supposed to and not

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being able to divert money is what Braxton Winston was

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referring to having their hands tied. I did not hear

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this from Rodney. I did not hear Winston's comments. Former

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Mayor pro ten Braxton Winston he's part of the action

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and see opposition to this plan. I did not hear

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the comment that Rodney's referring to. Aaron says, let us

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know the let us know that weather also plays a

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big part in road construction. If things are too cool

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or too hot, things can happen. The weather has to

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be like in between. Basically, oh, let him know. That

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was to the caller Tony who called in at the

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end of the last hour complaining about, you know, the

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length of time it takes to do the road projects,

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which a lot of that is also regulatory, but also

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shifting of cruise around, you know, working on different projects. Scott,

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I'll see there it goes. It just bounced out on

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my screen again. Scott says, why don't the items that

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are causing the issue get charged? The tax cars? Well,

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they are, they are charged, but actually the cars aren't

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causing the issue. The people are calling causing the issue.

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I always say this, people complain about traffic. You are traffic.

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You okay, me, we are traffic. Those cars aren't driving

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around on their own, even if they were autonomous, they

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still got people in them, right, Those are people in

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those cars. So that's why you tax the people, one

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of my And by the way, this goes to something

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that former Governor Jim Martin told me years ago, which

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was this old saying, see that man behind the tree,

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go tax him, don't tax me. And that is the

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driving philosophy on like all of this stuff, which is

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I don't want to pay any more taxes, but I

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want this stuff, so go tax them. One of my

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customers is large. This is from Kevin again, one of

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my customers, large enough to handle anything the city needs.

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But he has said Mecklenburg and the City of Charlotte

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is miserable to work with. He stays away from them specifically.

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Lots of other cities and municipalities are much easier to

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work with. Well, get this, there is no cap on

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the amount of comments and recomments and recomments that the

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city can do four projects. So if I'm building a

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project and I go to the city for my permits

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and they make a bunch of notes, They're like, you

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got to do this, do that, correct this, change that,

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and I do all of the things that they said,

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I then have to resubmit for the permit. And then

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instead of just going through and saying, okay, we listed

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four things, you did all those four things you're approved,

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they do they do a whole different review, a whole

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new review. So you address the four things they asked for,

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and then they find other stuff, and then you got

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to you got to take it back, you got to

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re review, You bring it back to them again, and

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that process can go. You can go back and forth

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with the city forever. There's no limit on how many

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times they can re review, which is kind of nuts, right,

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Like if I submit a project, here are my plans,

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and you approve them, except or you say you got

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to do these four changes. I make those changes, that

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would tell me now I'm proved. I don't think you

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should be able to then go back and say, Okay,

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good job on those four things. Here's five more. Here's

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Let me jump over to the phones here and get

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Jerry on the program. Hello, Jerry, how are you?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Turn down the radio, Jerry, okay, okay, okay, Pete, I'm Okay,

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are you okay?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good, I'm good. Thank you, yeah, thank you had

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great show as usually, Thanks sir, Hey Pete. The city

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is a mess. It is more dangerous than ever. And

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I know this isn't news, but I just think we

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need to talk about it more. My goodness.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think the CMPD put out their

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crime stats that showed the crime was down. They were

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touting it. I forget if it was a specific was

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it murder that was down a little bit or something,

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but they were touting their crime stats a couple of

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weeks ago saying that it was lower. And I mean,

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this is one of the things like like, yes, there

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is crime in Uptown. Absolutely. My wife works in Uptown.

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I go up there pretty regularly to you know, meet

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her at the office and that sort of thing. I'm

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in uptown. My doctor's in Uptown. So I am uptown

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enough to see what has become of Uptown. And it's

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way more, you know, busier, a lot more people than

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you know, twenty five years ago. No doubt, crime is definitely,

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you know, worse than than it was in recent years.

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But historically speaking, and this is the case across America,

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violent crime has been declining for decades. Did you know that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that you know, I know, there were

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several restaurants, several I think there was a half a

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dozen or so restaurants that they came out this week

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said that, you know, business just wasn't there. Yeah. I'm

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in the food service business, and and I just feel

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like people are afraid to go uptown.

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Speaker 1: I well, yes, you are correct. So therein lies the

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conundrum is that if there is a perception that it's

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dangerous that keeps people away. You're absolutely right, and that

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perception is driven by high profile, you know, violent acts,

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that sort of thing, but it's also driven by the

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large vagrancy problem, the homeless problem.

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Speaker 2: And absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: And so when people see and look again, Christy works

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up there every day, and I hear stories virtually every day,

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people passed out on the sidewalk, screaming at each other,

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screaming at passers by, screaming at nobody. You know, it's

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just it. It does not feel safe, even if the

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crime stats don't show that.

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Speaker 2: Pete, you obviously have some concerns because your wife lives

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up there. I'm sure, I mean because your wife works

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up there. Yeah, I mean through throughout the day. You

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probably think about that from time to time.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I just thought of something. I'm giving my

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my daughter some football tickets to go to the game tonight.

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But there's no way I would let her go up

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there with with a girlfriend. She's going up there with

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her with her boyfriend. There's no way I would let

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her go up there with another gal. There's no way.

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I just wouldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Again, that's the perception of the perception of not

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being safe. And how does the city combat that. I

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would say, you probably need more police presence on the

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streets so people feel safer.

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Speaker 2: How about how about a police chief that that, uh,

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maybe we had a better that maybe had a little

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better persona than what he's projected.

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Speaker 1: Maybe. Yeah, I mean, you know, it comes from the top.

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So yeah, I mean, like all of these things are

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choices and priorities that local leaders have made, and you know,

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voters will suffer it as long as they continue putting

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the same people back into office. Jerry, I appreciate the call, Buddy,

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good to hear from you. Thank you all right, man,

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have a great weekend. Let me get back to the

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text line. Here because it's kind of blowing up. One

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of my customers is large enough to handle anything the

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city needs. Oh, I already wrote that. I read that one.

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Here's another one. I'm fifty seven years old. I grew

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up in Atlanta, moved to Charlotte in my late twenties.

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When Marta expanded in Atlanta, there was a correlated spike

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in crime along the new routes that largely never dissipated.

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This drove a lot of families even further out into

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the new suburbs away from the rail system. Ultimately it

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makes drive times even longer. Oh and Atlanta's projections from

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Marta never panned out either. Yeah, that's another thing too.

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Here the ridership numbers, you know, like that's the project

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on the cost they never meet the what is sold.

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In fact, I got a story in here also about

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the NASCAR Hall of Fame. I remember when that whole

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thing got built. Those visitor projections are way off, and

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people like me back then said this is probably not

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going to be an accurate prediction. This is from Brian

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who says, I'm a degreed engineer that has worked on

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large capital projects for the past thirty years. That last

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caller said there was an abundance of design engineers and

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he was wrong. Not the last caller, but in the

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last hour caller Tony said that it was infinite and

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you are correct. There are only a few firms in

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the US that could handle the design and construction of

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a light rail system. This is from Rodney. Tony apparently

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doesn't that's caller Tony doesn't understand. The firm has to

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have the money to do the work because the state

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will not give you an advanced payment. There's also a

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list of on tractors the state picks from, and you

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have to meet certain qualifications. Bucky says, before any more

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spending on light rail, is the existing system repaired? Is

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it running at full speed? I do not know. It's

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a good question. Remember they had to they had to

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reduce all of the train speeds because the failure to

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maintain the trucks underneath the wheelbase, you know there. They

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were like, if you go too fast, like the thing

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could fall off and derail. With regard to rail, it'd

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be a great idea to do a deep financial dive

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into the Chicago system and how much waste and abuse

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in that system versus ridership actually using the system. Steve says,

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what happened to the good old days when private business

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donated to pay for these things for a tax?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Well, they can still do that if they want to.

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I'd say, what happened to the days when the private

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sector actually operated this stuff? But oh no, you can't

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do that, because when someone built a toll road, everybody

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lost their minds. Right, arena deal taxes, ask Glenn Wheeler.

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George says, Lynn Wheeler passed away, So you mentioned the

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pay of engineers. I've always loved Chu Choo trains. Ever

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been to tweet see, says Joey? I have not. When

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will the residents of South Charlotte, who rarely receive any

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positive impact from these initiatives, rebel and vote against these items?

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We pay tons of taxes but a very little, if

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any transit service in our part of town in this case,

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throwing Matthews in Minhill as well, since they're on the

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short end of the stick regarding not getting light rail.

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tell others to come who you are. Visit creative video

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dot com. The Texter before the break said, when will

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the residents of South Charlotte rebel? There was actually an

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attempt about twenty years ago to create a new town

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in Balentine, not balant They wouldn't call it Valentine. I

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think it was pitched as Providence because there is no

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Providence North Carolina, and that idea got kicked around from

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the local movers and shakers down in that part of

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the city. They wanted to secede out of the City

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of Charlotte and become their own town. It did not

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go anywhere, but it has been discussed in the past.

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One Texter says, I enjoy the show. My question is

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what keeps Raleigh from keeping more of our money since

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we are going to create our own local fund. So

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Raleigh much just might just say, hey, they got it covered.

489
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I'm not sure I follow Usually with these deals, you

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get a chunk of money from Dot, a chunk of

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money from the local, and then a chunk of money

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from the Feds. So another Texter says, I can't afford

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this county anymore. They increased my city tax, they increased

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my county tax, They almost tripled my property value so

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they could get more revenue on those taxes, and now

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they're increasing the sales tax again. It's unaffordable and unlivable.

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Another one asks what happened to the violence interrupters? Yeah,

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I don't know. Maybe they have been interrupting violence. I'm

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not sure. Maybe they haven't. Yeah, Kirk says, talking about

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all this transit stuff reminds me of Keith Larsen's likening

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the subject to the Wizard of Oz. The traffic, congestion, pollution.

502
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Oh my, he used to say that because those were

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always the arguments why we needed to build the trains.

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Steve in China Grove, whoa whoa China Grove. Decades ago,

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when light rail was in its infancy, insinuations were made

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the project could actually pay for itself. Hasn't been long

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enough to turn profits? No, I thought that argument was

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some people tried to make that argument that I believe,

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if memory serves correctly, I think I did a whole

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package of stories about no interviewed different cities. It never

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pays for itself. Never, It's always subsidized. It does not

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make a profit. Couldn't those profits finance the newly proposed project,

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saving Mecklenburg citizens a lifetime of added taxes? Double rim shot? Please,

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I don't know if you get a double. I don't

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even know if you get won for that, Steve. They

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mentioned the runaway Texas Democo that during the news break. Okay,

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I'm not going to that's off topic. Thirty years ago

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I got married. You would not be caught dead uptown,

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No pun intended after five o'clock because of safety issues.

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Then it became a great place to go. And now

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it feels like it's back to what it was thirty

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to thirty five years ago. Yeah. Look, as one who

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has been here now long enough to have seen the

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arc of growth and dynamism and excitement and people getting

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lured back to Uptown, restaurants opening, it's all activated. There's

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stuff going on. But also keep in mind that a

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lot of people don't like that. They don't want to

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live in the city. They don't care about living in

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an urban environment, but that a lot of people do.

530
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But cities are expensive, and they are noisy, and they

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are crowded. That is what cities are. So I worked

532
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up Town for the better part of thirty years. Always

533
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felt safe until recently. A friend and I used to

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walk and one time a homeless man threatened us and

535
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told us I'm gonna kill somebody. I'm just warning you,

536
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I'm gonna kill somebody. Another time, my grandson and I

537
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were leaving Discovery Place and we didn't hardly get out

538
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the door before a homeless guy approached me asking for money.

539
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I felt very vulnerable, especially since I had a child

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with me, so I gave him five dollars just to

541
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get him off my case. But I shouldn't have. Yeah,

542
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I mean, that's the thing. It's perception of insecurity, and like,

543
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the only way to change that is to make people

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feel more safe. So how do you do that? You

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remove the things that are making people feel unsafe. And

546
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the main thing that makes people feel unsafe, well two

547
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number one random mass shootings and parks at major events. Right,

548
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you got a bunch of people together, and so you

549
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get gang beefs that come from other neighborhoods. They bring

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it into Rome or beard In Park and they start

551
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,000
fighting each other. Like that's a big one obviously, But

552
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the main one is the vagrancy problem. That's the big

553
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one that is contributing to the perception of insecurity in uptown.

554
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I mentioned the NASCAR Hall of Fame. They're asking for

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more money twenty five million from the City of Charlotte.

556
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Attendance and revenue are both on the rise, they say,

557
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but it's still nowhere near what it was projected to

558
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be when it originally opened. The Hall of Fame started

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facing attendance and revenue problems soon after opening in twenty ten.

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According to Mary Ramsey's piece at the Charlotte Observer, officials

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back then projected eight hundred thousand visitors in the first year,

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four hundred thousand in the second year. Actual attendance two

563
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seventy two two hundred and seventy two thousand in the

564
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first year, which then dropped to one hundred and ninety

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seven thousand. Look, I've been to the NASCAR Hall of

566
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Fame twice, once to actually, you know, go through it,

567
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and then another time there was an event there and

568
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it's cool, but it I don't know if it has

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the replayability, you know what I mean, Like, unless you

570
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are really into NASCAR history. Once you drive the simulated car,

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once you walk along the the you know, the the

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racetrack tarmac, which is cool, when you visit the gift shop,

573
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maybe you change you do one of the pit crew

574
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drills where you change a flat tire kind of thing.

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Like once you do those things, everything else is kind

576
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of like, Oh, here's Fireball Roberts, you know, fire suit

577
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or whatever. And I like, again, for a NASCAR fan,

578
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that's probably great, but I'd also don't know, like, what

579
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is it that keeps them coming back?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: What keeps them coming back to that Hall of fame

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when they're in town for the Coca Cola six hundred

583
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or something or the All Star Race. Revenue is up

584
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and exceeds expenses now according to the Charlotte Regional Visitors Authority,

585
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which is good. That's good, but it is nowhere near

586
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what it was originally intended to attract, much like you know,

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much like these transit systems. And I will say though,

588
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that this is paid for with the two percent tax

589
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on hotel motel, the occupancy tax, so at least this

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isn't like a sales tax hit or a property tax

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00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,119
hit for us. This is generated by the hotel motel,

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you know, the occupancy tax. So at least there's that.

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All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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so much for listening. I could not do the show

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without your support and the support of the businesses that

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