Every disappearance has a final moment of certainty, a last sighting, a last call, a last place someone was known to be. The last known tells real true crime cases using only the facts. If you're anywhere in the Pacific Northwest right now and you look out the window, it's probably doing what it always does this time of year, raining, gray, low clouds, just sort of clinging to the Douglas Firs. And if you look at the calendar, I mean really look at it, the date carries a weight that's almost physical. We're closing in on sixteen years. Sixteen years. It's a lifetime, literally a lifetime for some. And we're talking, of course, about the disappearance of Kien Horman. A seven year old boy walks into Skyline Elementary School for a science fair and just simply never comes home. I think for a lot of people, especially if you live here in Oregon or Washington, that headline is just burned into. Your memory is boy vanishes from science fair. It's the ultimate nightmare scenario, isn't it. It really is. Yeah. But the reason we're doing this Deep Die today, and why we're treating this a little differently than just a retrospective is because this case it isn't static. It's not a history lesson. About twenty ten, No, not at all. It's active. I mean, it is evolving right now in ways that I think will surprise a lot of people. Exactly. We aren't just looking back. We've got a stack of sources here that are incredibly current. We're looking at share of us off as press releases that were issued just last year in May of twenty twenty five. We have legislative testimony regarding new laws that this case actually helped create. We have agendas for a national symposium that's happening later this month. So what we're really doing here is a case study, right a study in how a cold case gets modernized, how law enforcement tech is just completely shifted over a decade and a half. And we're going to talk about that, the digitization of thousands of paper files, the specific mechanics of a law called Aaron's law, and just the psychological toll of a mystery that has absolutely no physical evidence. And we are going to get into the weeds. We have to feedback we get from you. The listener is constant. Don't just give us the headline, give us the detail. And we have them. We have detailed timelines, We have the so called Reddit files showing how the public has tried to crowdsource this investigation, and of course the legal fallout. But before we can get to the new tech and the updates from twenty twenty five and twenty twenty six, we have to go back to the beginning. We have to really understand the day everything changed. June fourth, twenty ten. Okay, so let's set the scene, because the geography here is practically a character in this story. Skyline Elementary School. It's in Portland, Oregon, technically, but if you've ever driven. Up there, it doesn't feel like the city at all, not at all. No, it's rural. It's up in the hills, surrounded by these dense, deep woods. It's beautiful, but it's also well, it's isolated. I think that isolation is just so key here. This isn't some urban campus with cameras on every corner, at least now back in twenty ten. It's sort of an island in the forest. And on this particular morning, Friday, June fourth, the school is just buzzing. It's the science Fair, so. You've got students, parents, grandparents, projects everywhere It's chaotic in that fun, loud, elementary school kind of way. You know, controlled chaos, or maybe, as it turned out, not so controlled. Well that's the thing. They have this open door policy that day, which. We'll get into. But right in the middle of this swarm of people is Kiren Horman. He's seven years old, and the description of him that day, the outfit he was wearing, it's one of those details that is so specific it actually hurts to read it. It's the irony, isn't it. It's a brutal irony. He's wearing a black T shirt and on it in these bright, almost neon green letters. It says CSI like the TV show. Yeah, has a handprint graphic on it. He's got on black cargo pants, white sox and black sketchers with this orange trim. Yeah. He loved that show. He wanted to be a detective of Forensic Scientific He was a. Bright kid, inquisitive. The thing about that shirt for a second, Srroman an investigative perspective. It's so visible. It's high visibility. A black shirt with neon green lettering in a crowd or against the green of the woods or the gray of a parking lot. That shirt pops. It is distinct, which makes the fact that he vanished apparently unseen, even more baffling. Someone had to see that shirt, you. Would absolutely think so. And we know exactly what he looked like because his stepmother, Terry Horman, took a photo of him that morning. Right it's time stamped eight fifteen am, Yes. Eight point five. He's standing right in front of his project. It was about red eyed tree Fox and he's got this huge smile on his face. He looks proud. And that photo that is the last confirmed, absolute positive sighting we have of him. So let's track this timeline because this is where everything starts to unravel. The window of opportunity here is just it's terrifyingly small, it really is. So. According to the timeline we've pieced together from the case files and the sheriff's reports, Terry Horman, his stepmother, says, she stays with him for a bit, they look at the other exhibits. Then at about eight forty five am, she says, she watches him walk down the hall toward his classroom. And that's a critical distinction, isn't it. She sees him walk toward the classroom. She does not report seeing him actually walk into the classroom. No, she sees him walk down the hall. Then she turns to leave, and this is where the timeline splits into two parallel tracks that nobody knows are happening. Right. Track one is Terry. She leaves the school. She has errands to run. We know from receipts and cell phone pings that she went to two different fred Meyer grocery stores. One in Hillsboro and one in Beaverton. Correct. And she's driving her truck, a white Ford F two fifty and she has her infant daughter, Kiara in the car with her. Okay, so that's track one. Meanwhile, Track two is back at the school and the clock is just ticking away. It is at around nine point zero zero am. There's a report from another student who thinks they saw Kiren near the south entrance. But you know, witness testimony from young children can be tricky, it's often conflicting, it's. Hard to rely on. So then at ten am the bell rings, the science fair is over. Class officially begins. Kiren isn't in his seat, and. This is the moment, this is the single point of failure that haunts this entire case. The teacher takes attendance, Sez isn't there and marks. Him absent unexcused absence. T minus zero. But nothing happens. That's the part that just drives me crazy. It's ten zero zero am. He's a seven year old kid, he's mark absent. Why didn't a phone ring at the Horman house right then and there? You really have to put yourself back in twenty ten, the protocols were just they were different. Today, if your kid isn't in their seat by eight point zero five, you get a text, an email, and a rober call. Oh yeah, your phone giz it does. But back then a lot of schools used an autodialer system that didn't even run until late in the afternoon. Or, more likely, the teacher just made a human assumption. It was the science fair, he was here with his stepmom. Maybe they just left. Early exactly, a totally reasonable human assumption that cost the investigation a five hour head start. If they had called Cain or Terry at ten am, the search radius would have been relatively small. Whoever or whatever took him hadn't gone far. But because no call was made, the clock just kept ticking. So nobody knows he's missing. Terry is running her errands. Caine Horman, the father, he's at work at Intel. The school day proceeds as completely normal. It's not until three point thirty in the afternoon that the alarm bells finally ring. And can you just imagine this scene, Terry and Kane they meet at the bus stopice a normal everyday afternoon routine. The big yellow bus pulls up, the doors hiss open, kids start piling off. And Kiren isn't there. The feeling, Yeah, absolute drop in your stomach where the world just falls out from under you. And the bus driver looks at them and says something like he didn't get on the bus. I haven't seen him since this morning. So Cain and Terry they drive straight to the school. It's almost four point zero pm now they rush into the main office. The staff checks the attended sheet and there it is absent. The school secretary calls nine to one one at three point five six pm, and just like that. The entire dynamic shifts from you know, confusion to an all out emergency. Four point three three pm. Police are on the scene. By five thirty pm, a broadcast goes out to all the parents in the district Kiren Horman did not arrive at home today. And by eight thirty pm that night, the sheriff's office notifies the FBI. It went from zero to one hundred incredibly fast. They didn't treat this as a runaway case for twenty four hours or anything like that. They knew immediately something was deeply wrong. They did. You have a seven year old boy described as timid and shy, who wears glasses, has some hearing difficulties, vanishing from inside a school building. It terrified the community. It triggered what would become the largest search and rescue operation in the history of Oregon. And we were talking a massive scale, over thirteen hundred people involved. Yes, and let's talk about what a search actually looks like in that terrain. This isn't you know, walking across a manicured soccer field. Yeoh, this is Pacific Northwest wilderness. It's dense underbrush, it's ravines, its thorn covered BlackBerry bushes, it's mud. They had divers in wet suits waiting in waste high water searching the Moltnoma Channel. They had the National Guard deployed, and. They did grid searches right where searchers are literally arm length apart, combing every single inch of ground around the school, around the Hormon residence, and on Sauvie. Island, every square inch. It was an incredible effort, and. Yet nothing, not a scrap of that black T shirt, not his glasses, not one of his sketchers with the orange trim. Absolutely nothing. And that silence, that complete lack of any physical evidence, is what eventually turned the investigation. About ten days in, around June thirteenth or fourteenth, the official classification of the case changes. It goes from missing person to criminal investigation. And that is a pivotal moment. It means law enforcement stopped believing he just wandered into the woods and got lost. They started believing someone did this to him. And inevitably the focus turned to the last person confirmed to. Have seen him, the stepmother, Terry Horman. Now we need to be very very precise here and because as of our date today, February one, twenty twenty six, Terry Horman has never been charged with any crime related Karen's disappearance. She has consistently maintained her innocence absolutely. But it is impossible to discuss this case without discussing the suspicion around her. It was and it remains the dominant thread of the entire investigation. And that suspicion, it's really built on three pillars, you could say, I think. That's a good way to put it. It's the timeline, the behavior, and the polygraphs. So let's unpack that timeline. First. We mentioned she left the school around eight four or five AM. We know she went to those two fred Meyer stores because she had receipts. But there's a gap there is, and it's a critical gap between leaving the first fred Meyer and then arriving at her gym later that morning. There is a period of roughly ninety minutes, specifically from about ten ten am to eleven thirty nine AM, where her whereabouts are based entirely on. Her own account, and what was her account. She says she was driving her infant daughter, Kiara around on rural roads to soothe an ear infection, to get her. To sleep, driving around rural roads in the exact same area where the boy went missing precisely. Now, on the surface, it's a plausible explanation. I mean, parents drive babies around to get them to sleep all the time. But It's also incredibly convenient, isn't it. It provides an unverified, unaccounted for window of time in a completely unmonitored area. And that is the window that police seered in on. Okay, so that's pillar one the timeline. Then there were the polygraphs. Reports came out pretty early that she had failed two of them. Now we've gotten some feedback that we really need to explain this part because I think people here failed polygraph and they immediately think guilty. Right, And it's just not that simple. It's not a polygraph. Is not a light detector in the way you see in the movies where a red light flashes if you're not telling the truth. It's a biofeedback machine exactly. It measures physiological arousal heart rate, blood pressure, respiration, and what's called galvanic skin response, which is basically just. How much you sweat. So it measures stress precisely. It measures your body fight or flight response. The theory is that if I ask you a relevant question like did you harm Kiren Horman and you lie, your body will involuntarily react because you're afraid of being caught. But and this is the huge button, but that stress can come from a million other things, of. Course, like the fact that your step son is missing, the police are grilling you for hours and the entire community is looking at you like you're a monster. Being innocent but terrified can look a lot like being guilty and terrified. On a polygraph chart, it can look identical. And that's why they are generally not admissible as evidence in a court of law. However, investigators use them as a tool, a tool to pressure suspects to look for deception or to clear them. And failing two of them well, to. The police, that signal that there was deception happening, or at the very least, that she possessed specific knowledge about the disappearance that she wasn't sharing. It was a massive red flag for them. And it wasn't just the tests, it was the the behavioral stuff. The emails. Yes, investigators got a warrant for her emails, and they found messages she had sent to friends where she expressed and I'm quoting from a source here, a severe hatred for Kiren. That's just hard to hear. It is. She reportedly blamed her marital problems with Cain on him on a seven year old boy, and that to an investigator paints a picture of a very fractured home life happening behind closed doors. It suggests motive. You hear psychologists talk about the Cinderella effect, right, the statistic that unfortunately, stepparents are more likely to harm children than biological parents. And investigators know that statistic, so when they see emails like that, it fits a profile they are already looking for. So you have the timeline gap, the failed polygraphs, the disturbing emails, and then just when you think this story can't get any stranger, we get the murder for higher allegation. This feels like a plot to us from a cheap thriller novel, but it is right there in the police file. It's completely bizarre. About a month into the investigation, a man who worked as their landscaper came forward to the police. He claimed that months prior to Kyne's disappearance, Terry had approached him and she allegedly offered him ten thousand dollars to kill Cain. Horman, her husband wait to kill their father, not Kyne. Correct, this was a separate alleged plot to kill Cain. The police actually took this seriously enough that they set up a sting operation. Sting. Yes, they put a wire on the landscaper and had him go meet with Terry, trying to get her to discuss the plot again on tape. Did she confess? Did they get her? No, she didn't incriminate herself during that recorded conversation. However, the police found the landscaper's initial account credible enough or at least alarming enough that they went directly to Cain Hormon and what did they tell them? They told him, we believe your wife tried to have you killed. Wow. And that just that blew the family apart instantly. Instantly, Cain took their daughter, Kiara, moved out of the house that very day and filed for divorce and a restraining order. He cited that murder for higher place as the reason he believed she was a danger to him and their daughter. So you have this frantic, massive search for a missing boy happening in the background, while in the foreground, the immediate family is just imploding in the most dramatic way. Possible, exactly, And that's when you start to see Cain and Desiree Young, who is Karen's biological mother, appearing on TV together. They become united first in the search and then eventually united in their suspicion of Terry and Desiree. Young has been an absolute force of nature in this case from day one, hasn't she She has. Not let the public forget for a single day. She filed a civil suit against Terry for custodial interference, which basically accused her in civil court of being responsible for Kiren's disappearance. She later withdrew that suit. Though she did, she said it was to avoid interfering with the ongoing criminal investigation. But her public stance has never ever wavered. She believes Terry knows what happened, and there. Was another key figure in this drama, right, Terry's friend Dede Speicher. Yes, de Daspaitcher. This is another threat that police pulled on really really hard. Dita Speicher was a friend of Terry's and she was working at a plant nursery on the day Kiren disappeared, and her timeline was scrutinized heavily because she allegedly left her work site abruptly that morning on June fourth and couldn't be reached for a period of a few hours. The same morning Kien vanished. The exact same morning. So when police tried to question her about her whereabouts and her communications with Terry that day, she took the Fifth Amendment. She refused to answer questions. Which is her constitutional right, of course, of. Course, but two investigators and to the public, it just added another layer of suspicion to Terry's inner circle. They searched Deede Speicher's property, they searched the area near where she worked, but again no smoking gun. It's just it's this mountain of circumstantial evidence. You have the timeline gap, the failed polygraphs, the hateful emails, the murder for higher plot, the friend taking the fifth It's so many red flags it is, but. Not one piece of physical evidence. No body, no DNA, no crime scene. And that is this central, maddening frustration of this entire case. You have a puzzle where it feels like you have most of the pieces, but you can't force them together without that one physical, tangible link. And while all these legal battles and police interrogations were going on with the adults, the community. Was just grieving, which brings us to the Wall of Hope. Yes, this started as just a chain link fence at the school that became a spontaneous memorial. People started leaving Teddy bears photos. Flowers notes. It was eventually moved to a gym in Beaverton and became the sort of sacred space for Desiree and for the community, a focal point. But in twenty sixteen something happened there that really hurt the family. It did the gym changed ownership, and the new owner, you know, he's looking at this fence that's covered in six years worth of weathering, dirty, decaying, stuffed animals and ribbons, and he decided to revamp it. He threw a lot of it away. I can understand that from a purely business perspective, maybe a look messy, but from an emotional. Perspective, Desiree was devastated. There's a quote from her where she said they took away their hope. It just highlights this brutal tension between a cold case that drags on for years and a world that just keeps moving forward. To the gym owner, it was clutter. To the mother, it was. Her son exactly. And speaking of the world moving forward, the legal system actually changed in part because the case is like this one we have to talk about Aaron's Law. This is listed in our source material as a major legislative impact, but the legalies could be a bit dense. Let's try to break it down. This is a really fascinating intersection of law and tragedy. The testimony we have comes from a man named Sean Aaron Cruz. He was a huge advocate for what became Oregon House Bill twenty six oh three and Senate Bill ten oh forty one. Okay, so what does this law actually do? What did it change? It's all about custodial interference. Before this law, if a non custodial parent took a child, or if someone aided a parent in abducting a child, the legal remedies were pretty limited, especially if you couldn't prove the crime of kidnapping beyond a reasonable doubt. And beyond a reasonable doubt is a massively high bar. We're talking like ninety nine percent certainty. Exactly. If the jury has even one percent of doubt, the person walks free on a criminal charge. So Aaron's Law, which is now Oregon Statute ors three d point eight six', eight created a new civil cause of action. Meeting you can sue them in civil court. Right it means victims like the searching parent can sue the abductor and anyone who helped them for, damages for counseling, costs for investigative, costs and they only have to prove it based on a preponderance of. The, evidence which is the civil. Standard. Right it basically just means more likely than not fifty one percent. Certainty so it gives families this powerful new tool to go after abductors or there are accomplices in civil court even if the criminal case is completely, sold and they can depose, witnesses force people to answer questions under. Oath, precisely it's an information extraction tool as much as it is a way to seek. Damages and it also allows the, child once they turn, eighteen to soothe their own. Abductor it extends the statute of. Limitations but the most profound part of the testimony that we, have the part linked to this, law is this concept of a continuing. Crime that phrase just stopped me in my tracks WHEN i first read. It the quote Is chiren is even more abducted today than he was the day he. Disappeared it's a chilling. Sentence it completely reframes how you think about. Abduction we tend to think of a kidnapping as a single. Event, bang it happens On june, fourth twenty, ten and it's. Over but this legal argument says, No abduction is a state of. Being every Morning kiren wakes up away from his, family the crime is. Reoccurring the crime is happening right now as we. Speak it changes how you think about cold. Cases they aren't cold at. All the crime is still in, progress which. Leads us directly to the court of public. Opinion we have a bunch of material here From reddit, threads specifically from communities like without A trace and The portland. Subreddit the armchair, detectives you. Can call them, that but in the absence of official, answers communities try to make sense of the. Senseless and when you look at these, threads you see three main theories that the public just debates, endlessly and. They're the same three theories that have been circulating since the. Beginning, really let's. Break them, down because this is where the public perception has really shaped the narrative of this case for sixteen. Years Tiy a is obviously the. Stepmother it's the dominant one by. Far all the things we just, discussed the timeline, gaps the failed, polygraphs the murder for higher. Plot it fits at the narrative that we are culturally sort of prying to. Believe the evil stepmother trope is a powerful. One but The reddit users also do a good job of pointing out the counter arguments which we have to. Consider the biggest one is where is the? Body how do you successfully hide the body of a seven year old boy in broad daylight with an infant in the car and never have it be? Found and why would you drive to two different very public Fred meyer stores if you had just committed a horrific. Crime that seems incredibly, risky doesn't. It if you have a deceased child in your, truck are you really stopping to buy decongestent and some? Snacks it seems like bizarre behavior for a premeditated. Crime it doesn't quite add, up and that inconsistency that's what fuels THEORY. B THEORY b the, stranger or more, specifically the man in a white. Truck the white truck sightings are a huge part of the official case. File witnesses reported a White FORD f two fifty pickup truck seen near the school and also near one of the Fred meyer locations That terry. Visited police even released flyers asking for information on this. Truck But terry drove a White FORD f to. Fifty she did so was it her truck that witnesses saw or was it a different second white. Truck that's the million dollar question. And The reddit. Threads they discussed the school's open door policy over and over. Again it was a science. Fair there were no sign in, sheets no visitor. Badges someone pointed out that the lack of any kind of, headcount combined with the chaotic nature of the, day made it the perfect storm for a stranger. Abduction someone could have just walked, in blended in with the, parents and lured a shy boy. Away, hey come see the puppy in my? Truck can you help me carry? This it's the ultimate nightmare scenario for any, parent a random. Opportunist and if that's, true then all the intense focus On terry has been a, massive sixteen year long. Distraction and that leaves us with theory c wandering. Off the school is, Rural it's surrounded by, deep dense. Woods could he have just walked out a side door gotten curious wandered into the forest and gotten. Lost but the, SEARCH i, mean the search was, unprecedented and. That is the biggest counter. Argument they had thirteen hundred, searchers they had, dogs, helicopters thermal, imaging they did those grid. Searches it is incredibly difficult for a body to just vanish in the woods when you have that level of scrutiny that. Quickly it seems almost. Impossible. Almost but having hiked in The Pacific northwest my whole, LIFE i can tell you those ravines are. Treacherous you can be five feet away from something and not see it if it's covered in a thick blanket of ferns and BlackBerry. Brambles it's not out of the realm of. Possibility so we are just stuck in this. Loop the stepmother looks incredibly, suspicious but there's no. Proof the stranger theory is, plausible but there's no, Suspect and the woods theory seems to contradict the massive search. Data and that's the loop that's been spinning for fifteen. Years but and here is the deep dive twist we talked about at the. Top we have new information from twenty twenty five and twenty twenty, six the case is being actively. Modernized this is. The update from The Moltnoma County Sheriff's office Dated may twenty twenty. Five they announced a massive multi agency project. Digitization, now when you hear the word, digitization it sounds kind of, boring, right it sounds administrative work scanning old. Paperwork but tell us why this is actually a complete game changer for a cold case like. This think about the physical volume of this case. File we're talking tens of thousands of pages of, ports tip, sheets handwritten notes from, detectives, photos witness, statements receipts for years and, years all of this lived in binders and boxes in an evidence, locker a data. Silo, basically, meaning If Deputy smith wrote down a license plate number in his notebook on day three of the search And Detective jones got a tip about a similar plate on day four, hundred they might never connect those two dots because the information is just buried in stacks of. Paper, exactly the human brain cannot effectively cross reference forty thousand pages of. Data what The Sheriff's office And Gresham police did in twenty twenty five wasn't just taking pictures of the. Pages they used ocr optical character. Recognition they turn all of that paper into searchable digital. Beta so now an investigator can sider it a computer and type in white truck or D d spicher or partial phone, number and the system will find every single mention of that term from the last sixteen years. Instantly it allows for something called link. Analysis it allows specialized software to see, patterns, locations, times names that appear together for equently that the human eye would have completely missed in the initial. Chaos and once the entire file was, digitized they sent it to the heavy, hitters. THE Fbi Behavioral Analysis, unit THE, bau. The profilers At, quantico the Mind. Hutter guys, Yes and according to the press, release they are re examining the entire digital file as we. Speak they aren't just reading, it they are querying. It they're looking for inconsistencies in witness narratives that might have been missed in twenty. Ten they are applying twenty twenty SIX ai and modern psychological profiling techniques to twenty ten Evidence that. Just gives me, chills the idea that the answer might be sitting on a server right, now just waiting for the right keyword search to finally unlock. It it happens more often than you would think in cold. Cases this kind of data analysis is the new detective. Work it's not about finding a new clue in the woods. Anymore it's about finding the clue that was already found sixteen years ago but wasn't. Understood and the. Family they are still pushing. Too we have the agenda right here for The National Amber alert And Amber alert In Indian Country symposium. That's taking place On february twenty fifth and twenty, six twenty twenty, six so just a few weeks from now relative to our air date here and look who's. Listed as a speaker Session option THREE, B Desiree. Young the session is Titled Family Perspective Chirene. Horman she is scheduled to speak to law enforcement from all over the country about the last time she saw her son and the incredible challenges of this. Investigation and this is so. Crucial sixteen years, later she is not just, grieving she is actively. Educating she is working with The department Of justice and The Amber Alert network to help other. Families it shows that while the criminal case is, unresolved the legacy of this case is, very very. Active she is. Making sure that the systemic mistakes made in twenty, ten like the school's failure to call parents, immediately are not repeated somewhere. Else it ties right back to the spirit Of Aaron's, law doesn't it using this unimaginable tragedy to try and change the system for the. Better and we should mention That sheriff's office press release from twenty twenty five it explicitly states that the fifty thousand dollars reward is still. Active they are still asking for, tips. And they also released new age progressed. Photos, right we aren't looking for a seven year old, Anymore, no. We are looking for a young. Man he would be what twenty three or twenty four years old. Now The National center For missing And Exploited children released these incredible images of What kyen might look like at age nineteen or. Twenty that's just it's mind bidding to think, about to think he could be out, there an, adult maybe not even knowing who he really. Is, well that's the unknown factor in these long term. Cases if he was abducted that, young does he even remember his early? Life it's unlikely he would forget his name at, seven but shrauma does very strange things to. Memory so these. Age progressed photos are vital because someone might recognize a neighbor or a, coworker or someone they see the grocery store and not realize they are looking at a missing child from twenty. Ten it could be that. Simple so what is this all mean for? Us for you the, listener why does a case from twenty ten still matter so much in twenty twenty. SIX i mean it matters because it highlights the vulnerability of our. Systems the school didn't call when he was. Absent that single failure has led to policy changes in almost every school district in the. Country That's kiren's. Legacy it also matters because of the. Technology this digitization project shows us how law enforcement is trying to fix the problems of the. Past it's a message to criminals. Everywhere just because you've got away with it in twenty ten doesn't mean you're safe in twenty twenty. Six the data never, sleeps AND i think. Most importantly it matters because of that continuing crime concept we talked. About we need to stop thinking of missing children cases as past tense. Events Kien horman is. Missing now, today as we sit here, talking there. Are still so many unanswered questions that just gnaw at. Me where is that white? Truck what exactly happened in that ninety minute gap In Terry horman's? Timeline and just how how could a little boy in a bright GREEN csi shirt vanished from a crowded school without a single person seeing the moment it. Happened those are the exact questions the FBI's Behavioral Analysis unit is trying to answer right now with those newly digitized, Files. We're going to wrap, up BUT i want to leave you with the final thought something that comes from That aaron's law. Testimony an abduction isn't an event that. Ends it's a theft of. Time every single, birthday every, holiday every Ordinary, tuesday it's another day. Stolen and if you are listening to this and you are In portland In june of twenty, ten or you know, something even a tiny detail that you think is, insignificant The Moltnoma County Sheriff's office tip line is still. Open the number is five or three, nine, eight, eight, zero five. Sixty sometimes the smallest details, break the biggest cases stay curious, everyone and keep your eyes. Open stay. Absurd this was the last Known the facts are. Limited the record ends where the answers. Disappear until more is, known this case remains. Unresolved