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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property. And for this week of October fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost, Season one, episode fifteen, Homecoming. And no,

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<v Speaker 1>there are no corsages, no nice graide, no football game,

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<v Speaker 1>no dances, not even a golf game. I noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>Claire does, after her traumatic return to the camp, find

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<v Speaker 1>some time to wash her hair and borrow some of

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon's cream rans because from her first scene to her

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<v Speaker 1>second scene, yeah, she definitely possibly she visited the island

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<v Speaker 1>day spot because she was looking kind of glowy a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better. Yes, so we answered the question of is

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<v Speaker 1>or is not? Claire ticked that she was not rescued

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<v Speaker 1>with she forgot everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Asia, We're off Buck, and then we're off.

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<v Speaker 1>She was gone almost two weeks. She might have said,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, two weeks and you guys didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>look for me, but yeah, where were you? She is

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<v Speaker 1>fortunately still sufficiently traumatized to not be connecting those particular dots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they dodged a bullet there.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought maybe when Charlie said I was with you,

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<v Speaker 1>but they took you and not me, or I was

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<v Speaker 1>rescued or whatever he said that she would say, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>admitt then why didn't anybody But no, she's she's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in a fog. Yeah, but her smells good right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so she'll just say, oh, dear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This was this was amnesia plot, the old plot,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the flashbacks were Charlie growing up into a

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<v Speaker 2>copy machine. So that's a nice usual. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>why you wouldn't do it on the floor instead of

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<v Speaker 2>onto a glass surface.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently they felt that we were in need of that.

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<v Speaker 1>We possibly did not grasp quite enough that Charlie was

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<v Speaker 1>a loser, so we got to give more. Charlie is

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<v Speaker 1>a loser, loser flashbacks that was It seems like some

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<v Speaker 1>of the flashbacks lately have been. That was a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to go for not much. Yeah, I think we

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<v Speaker 1>could of intuited that Charlie feels like he's not able

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<v Speaker 1>to care for anybody, right, take care of anybody. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we could have intuited that without the flashbacks.

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<v Speaker 2>Without the woman specifically saying that exact thing to his face,

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<v Speaker 2>you will never take care of any one. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Really we needed all those flashbacks and vomiting in a

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<v Speaker 1>copier to tell us that. I think we knew that already.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he could have just said that to somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else in passing. You could have had a chat with Jin,

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<v Speaker 1>who he thinks doesn't understand him, and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just confessed all his sins. But no, right, he gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe secretly speaks English.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what I am trying to remember. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a spoiler because I don't remember that he does, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, you know, in his line of work pre crash,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like knowing other languages would be an asset,

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<v Speaker 1>So might not Son's dad have sent him, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>set him up with due o lingo exactly. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was trying to think of. Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of wonder because I think you will not be

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<v Speaker 1>surprised to learn that there will be a time in

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<v Speaker 1>this show when he does have lines so in English.

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<v Speaker 1>So at some point he you know, they maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>find a dual lingo cassette and just something to play

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<v Speaker 1>it on and he learns miraculously, or Son teaches him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder because it does seem sometimes like but

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<v Speaker 1>if he doesn't know she knows English, there would be

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<v Speaker 1>no reason for him to try it out. But that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he knows more than he's letting on. And also

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<v Speaker 1>talk about looking around for people who are trained to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot a gun. He's right over there, right, pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>Shin is good with a gun because he came home

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know, yeah, we're gonna have to have

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<v Speaker 2>a whole game of charades to get it to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's did you're given one to Sawyer who who missed

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<v Speaker 1>at close range? Yes, the marshall, why are we assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that guy has ever handled a gun? I mean they're

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<v Speaker 1>assuming Locke has handled a gun because he's mister Jungleman,

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<v Speaker 1>but before this he was not. How does Jack know

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<v Speaker 1>one how to handle a gun? Yeah, good question, the

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<v Speaker 1>only one. I mean, we know Kate can't because we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen her, but they don't even know that side, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Sayid could just be the shooting man and

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of you maybe Scott and Scott slash Steve

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<v Speaker 1>was a shooter and now it's too late, time.

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<v Speaker 2>Too late. Yeah, this, I mean, there was pretty violent

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<v Speaker 2>this episode. We had Scott slash Steve get killed by

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<v Speaker 2>Ethan and we had you know, Ethans show up to

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<v Speaker 2>claim Claire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, now Jack beats this guy. It beats this guy

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<v Speaker 1>the same way he did CPR on Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, and then he's all mad that Charlie shot him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, was he even still alive? I guess

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<v Speaker 1>he was because he stood up enough to have his

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<v Speaker 1>chest shot. But yeah, you know, you didn't seem to

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<v Speaker 1>be too worried about his health when you were when

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<v Speaker 1>you were beating. But now the.

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<v Speaker 2>Guns are out there, Yeah I know. Yeah, Now is

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<v Speaker 2>everybody gonna know? Everybody knows all the remaining people who

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<v Speaker 2>are dwindling like one at a time. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>They got clear back and then they lost one guy,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're still even.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Lost an extra so so uh disposable that they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even don't know his name, that's right, yes, true, it

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<v Speaker 1>was not painful. I don't think we ever even saw

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<v Speaker 1>the guy's face. I think they just kind of drag

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<v Speaker 1>dragged a body. It could have been a could have

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<v Speaker 1>been one of the dolls.

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<v Speaker 2>From uh in the building, that's right, yes, so, And

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<v Speaker 2>my question was will she still be pregnant? And apparently

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<v Speaker 2>she is, yes, hugely, hugely pregnant. And Jack says, the

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<v Speaker 2>baby's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>How he knows this with deethoscope or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have a stethoscope. He certainly doesn't have an

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<v Speaker 2>ultrasound machine. He doesn't have one of those like bicycle

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<v Speaker 2>horn looking things that old time midwives use. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>just a matter of like, I'm sure it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a trade physician, he has deeply honed instincts. And

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<v Speaker 1>he put his maybe he put his hand on her

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<v Speaker 1>belly and something kicked.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, I do think he said the baby's kicking.

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<v Speaker 1>Place is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>He can only I'm I mean mostly Claire would know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Claire would be the one to be like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the baby g right. So again, this this kid,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. If I were it, I would stay

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing good canna happen to you outside of that, although

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you were drugged in it, if they were doing things,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true. Yeah, it's just like the Boon Fallies lately. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you put Gonn, put him out on the perimeter home.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gonna fall asleep and then he's gonna think you've

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<v Speaker 1>found something and it's gonna be the dog.

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<v Speaker 2>The dog. Well, at least he found the dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, again, looking just mighty fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking fine. I don't think we ever saw Walt, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw Walt. I'm pretty sure when we saw Vincent,

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<v Speaker 1>we saw Walt, but we didn't definitely didn't see Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll have to wait for another another Michael episode to

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<v Speaker 2>find out what's going on with those two.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh dear, I yeah, it's just we're just on the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of things happening. You can tell, we're just on

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of things happening. There's been so many, so

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<v Speaker 1>much weirdness. Eventually, this has got to converge into something right,

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<v Speaker 1>But you know it's got to wait till the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the season to be a cliffhanger. So meanwhile, Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>drug addict. Did you hear he's a drug addict?

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It's like recycling through the flashbacks. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's still some people who haven't gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>Next week, Jack was a doctor, did you or Jack?

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<v Speaker 2>And Kate? Kate has secrets? Did you know that secrets?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? And then Sawyer criminal? Don't trust him?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, bad guy? Remember bad game?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the next one up?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it is Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it? So? Is it Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 2>It's called Outlaws?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really Sawyer?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, we've.

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<v Speaker 1>Had enough of that, dude. Yeah, yeah, there they are

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<v Speaker 1>not for the last time on this show. They are

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<v Speaker 1>marking time. Yeah we could. We could be busting the

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<v Speaker 1>hatch open right now, but we can't do it until

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<v Speaker 1>like until the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're just gonna bust in the hatch open, bust

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<v Speaker 2>in the uterus so we can see what's.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just yeah, Claris like, can I give birth? Please? No? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>there's still.

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<v Speaker 2>More, So we need a few more episodes out of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh television, we know.

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<v Speaker 2>But so going back to Ethan, you know, Charlie shoots

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<v Speaker 2>him because Charlie has issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, not being he did hang Charlie from a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>so yes, just for that, I think you could feel

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<v Speaker 1>him full of lead, right, But also he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking care of he's taking care of Claire. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they they said that they wanted him alive so that

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<v Speaker 2>they could like, you know, get information out of him.

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<v Speaker 1>But like this kind of dude is going to sing

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<v Speaker 1>like a bird, doesn't he?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I Charlie made that point and he was correct, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>telling he was just gonna mess with us if you

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<v Speaker 1>if you brought him there, he would be nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>a menace, right, He's really not just you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>eye for an eye, tooth for a toothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I don't think his his friends are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be friendly to you or anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Gee. I wonder what we're going to find out more

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<v Speaker 1>about them, all sorts of other people in the jungle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but first Russo she's been He's right, They've waiting

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<v Speaker 2>around for weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>They have set up so much bleep on this thing

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<v Speaker 1>that they're not paying off yet. And yet we have time.

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<v Speaker 2>For another Sawyer flashback?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Sawyer. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's still enjoyable

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<v Speaker 1>just for the silly audacity of it. Right, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know none of the scenes last all that long.

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<v Speaker 1>We're usually off to something else pretty quick. But uh

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<v Speaker 1>did we At first we were thinking we couldn't remember

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<v Speaker 1>seeing this episode either, but but Rick remembered Jack pommeling Ethan,

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<v Speaker 1>So oh, this guy getting beat up. I remember that

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's gonna shoot him.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole Charlie, you will never take care of anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>or trying to take care of various people is very

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<v Speaker 1>parenting coded because yes, you know, Claire will soon be

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<v Speaker 1>is it easy to screw that up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but I am not convinced that Charlie is going

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<v Speaker 1>Woll But it's like the worst thing that could possibly

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<v Speaker 1>happen is happened to be responsible for taking care of somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Jack is responsible for taking all care of

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<v Speaker 1>all of them apparently. And it's not going so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Michael just has Walt again not going so great?

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<v Speaker 1>It's so great Bryan was supposed to take care of

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<v Speaker 1>Walt not going so great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's just like there's Charlie is not the

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<v Speaker 1>only person not doing such a great job of taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of anybody. He's probably done a little better than

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other ones. Sawyer is just taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of himself. But that mostly makes him Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>give that man a gun? I don't understand the thinking

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<v Speaker 1>here other than that he's above a certain line in

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I guess they just all assume that he

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<v Speaker 2>knows how to use it.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I didn't point it out, let's give him a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>As you pointed out, he didn't do a good job

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<v Speaker 2>with it when he the first time around with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Marsians, and it's like they totally don't trust him. Why

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<v Speaker 1>although it turned out he had one anyway, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did like, oh you need another gun?

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<v Speaker 1>Day?

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<v Speaker 2>I got one of those, he did, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>But uh yeah, there's Jack's thing of saying, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to put a gun in untrained hands, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>how trained are your hands?

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<v Speaker 2>Chacked?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do a lot of shooting back in your

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<v Speaker 1>life as a.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor, they teach you that all about that in med school.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's right, here's that old scalpet. And oh, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, please go to target practice. Yeah you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if things get slow, you can go shoot somebody and

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<v Speaker 1>then operate on them.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, drop up some business there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and Boone is no longer making any effort to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of Shannon, which is a good thing. Shannon

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be doing just my I guess say is

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<v Speaker 1>taking care of her now? Yeah, Jack is Jack is

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<v Speaker 1>still Island Papa. But is Locke is closing in?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Locke has given him a run thrust money.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, he's making some bad decisions. So if

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<v Speaker 1>if Lock makes a good one, yep yep. But so

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<v Speaker 1>they did not do a good job but taking care

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<v Speaker 1>of Steve slash Scott so.

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<v Speaker 2>RP.

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<v Speaker 1>Does this guy even have Does anybody even have that

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<v Speaker 1>on their IMDb resume? I should look that up. Is

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<v Speaker 1>just a stunt random stunt person here look dead. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't even get to see him getting attacked. He's

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<v Speaker 1>just a body on the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that was Boone's fault.

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<v Speaker 1>An anonymous character screw debt. Yes, oh it wasn't Boone's fault.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, Boone was supposed to be watching, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but they didn't. But he can't. I know, it all

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<v Speaker 2>came in.

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<v Speaker 1>From the water, so he was vincent that that tripped

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<v Speaker 1>the trap boom. It was sleeping at the time. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure about this plan because basically this involves all

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<v Speaker 1>the strongest and most protective guys in your group are

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<v Speaker 1>going to stay up all night, right, so that this

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<v Speaker 1>is not sustainable first thing in the morning, but anytime

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<v Speaker 1>during the day, this camp is going to be defenseless.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they not putting up traps during the day too?

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<v Speaker 1>They think this guy is not going to come in daylight?

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<v Speaker 1>How he's not scared of these people. No, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>little scared of Charlie apparently. But and Jack, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh well, cousin of Tom Cruise, farewell the end.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you are well and truly dead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they take the body with them and bury it someplace.

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<v Speaker 2>They have dead?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they?

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<v Speaker 2>They have quite a there's a little cemetery going at

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<v Speaker 2>this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I just I would not even trust trained surgeon Jack

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<v Speaker 1>to know whether somebody's actually dead. He's he's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>you want to like cut up into little pieces and

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<v Speaker 1>distribute at various parts of the other. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>soap opera. Oh he's just shot to death. Oh he

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<v Speaker 1>could be back. But yeah, well, there we are. Another

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<v Speaker 1>another trip to the jungle, another random death, another fistfight,

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<v Speaker 1>another episode of Lost. Wish we could flip to the

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<v Speaker 1>end on this one, actually a half flipped to that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not remember every page. However, it's become clear

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<v Speaker 1>that I do not remember every page, right, but your

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<v Speaker 1>general plot?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, well, so next Tuesday we will continue with season one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode sixteen of Lost Outlaws, which apparently is a Sawyer episode,

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<v Speaker 1>because curious about that guy? What's going on with that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Never mind the hatch and the evil others and the

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<v Speaker 1>French lady and the various romances going on and the

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<v Speaker 1>uh imminent childbirth and the imminent childbirth and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Never what's what that guy? I'm not quite sure I

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<v Speaker 1>got it the last time? Can we?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you back here tomorrow to discuss only

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<v Speaker 1>murders in the building. Another show that needs to come

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