WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.439 --> 00:00:05.719 Welcome to political beat down. I'm been my cellist, joined 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:10.519 by Dina Doll. Michael Cohen is still testifying at the 3 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:14.320 Trump criminal trial. He was on cross exam all day. 4 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:19.000 The cross examination did not complete today. It will keep 5 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.000 going until Monday. Trump's lawyers said that they expect to 6 00:00:22.000 --> 00:00:27.879 be done with the cross exam of Cohen on Monday morning, 7 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.719 and we could have closing arguments Dina as soon as Tuesday. 8 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:36.799 By Tuesday afternoon, it's possible the jury will get this 9 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:40.119 case and the jury will be instructed, and we could 10 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.960 have a verdict as early as next week. So we 11 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:48.079 are moving pretty expeditiously in this criminal trial. I know 12 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.439 many people thought it may have went until the end 13 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.840 of June. Early next week we'll hear whether or not 14 00:00:53.960 --> 00:00:56.799 Donald Trump will be testifying. I don't think he's going 15 00:00:56.840 --> 00:01:00.799 to be testifying, but there will be a declarative ask 16 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.759 of Trump whether or not he will be testifying. I 17 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.040 think he will be informed of his constitutional right to 18 00:01:07.120 --> 00:01:10.120 do so by Justice Mershon. I think we're all fairly 19 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:13.439 confident that Trump is going to decline and invoke his 20 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:17.439 Fifth Amendment rights against self incrimination and not testify, which 21 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:20.400 he has an absolute constitutional right to do, and if 22 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:23.519 he does that, the jury can't be told. Look, the 23 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.879 fact that he's not testifying shows that he's guilty. He 24 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.280 can't do that in a criminal case. In a civil case, 25 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.000 you can do that. In a criminal case, you can 26 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:35.359 do that. Look, all in all, today I thought Cohen 27 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:41.000 handled himself well on cross examination. There were multiple observers 28 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.599 in the courtroom, reporters who reflected that we have multiple 29 00:01:44.640 --> 00:01:47.319 sources in the courtroom, people who work for our network 30 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.599 who were there as well, people telling me on background 31 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:55.239 what they observed. They said that Trump's lawyer, Todd Blanche 32 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:59.519 was very disjointed, He was slow to make his points. 33 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:03.959 Cohen was calm, making eye contact with the jury the 34 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:08.159 entire time. You know. There was this one moment about 35 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.719 a phone call that Cohen had on like October twenty 36 00:02:11.759 --> 00:02:16.520 fourth with Donald Trump's bodyguard Keith Schiller, and Cohen discussed 37 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:19.319 how that could have been about kind of multiple topics 38 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:22.319 Stormy as well as this like fourteen year old kid 39 00:02:22.360 --> 00:02:25.080 who was harassing him as well, And there were text 40 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:28.280 messages also talking about this like fourteen year old kid 41 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:33.680 who was harassing Cohen and the and the campaign. Ultimately, 42 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:37.000 the prosecution kind of objected to it as Todd Blanche 43 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:41.560 Trump's lawyer started like just yelling at Cohen. The objections 44 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:45.599 were sustained by Justice Mrshan And you know, this was 45 00:02:45.680 --> 00:02:47.479 supposed to be some big moment. You know, it was 46 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:51.919 very odd. You know, Ari Melber from MSNBC used this 47 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.000 term about this thing about that interaction. It said it 48 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:57.960 was a blood bath. That was the term like Ari 49 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:01.120 Melber had used, and I saw it used on c 50 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.159 you know, I'm then used on CNN. Look, people who 51 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:08.479 watch this show know that Ari Melber has some personal 52 00:03:08.520 --> 00:03:14.840 animosity towards Michael Cohen. Melbur platformed Michael Lavinatti and had 53 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.240 Michael Aavanatti go on the show to talk crap about Cohen. 54 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:21.560 Cohen then talk crap about Melbur for doing that, saying 55 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.280 how are you having Avannadi on your show? And so 56 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:27.120 they went back and forth kind of there, you know, 57 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.159 and it does seem that Melbur harbors this kind of 58 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:34.639 personal animosity towards Michael Cohen, because look, if you want 59 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:39.280 to say did the defense score a point here or 60 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:43.960 there and say, you know, oh, look, perhaps on direct exam, 61 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.719 it could have been brought up that Cohen was discussing 62 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.719 Stormy and maybe this other topic as well, like you 63 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.520 can do in a conversation, even if it's a short 64 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:56.280 conversation that lasts under two minutes. You can discuss two 65 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:59.879 topics in a conversation and perhaps on direct that should 66 00:03:59.879 --> 00:04:03.199 have been brought out so you can say, Okay, I 67 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:05.800 see how the defense gets a point right there. But 68 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.639 to say like that that moment used the term bloodbath 69 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.199 and then all of the other overwhelming evidence against Donald 70 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:17.839 Trump thus far, you never hear the media talking about 71 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:20.040 any of that stuff. And by the way, you don't 72 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:23.399 hear the media talking about what happened, which frankly was 73 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:27.199 a bloodbath against our constitution this morning, as you had 74 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:32.319 MAGA Republican members of Congress show up and parade themselves, 75 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.839 Matt Gates, Lauren Bobert, eleven others today who were there, 76 00:04:37.439 --> 00:04:41.439 who were all saying that they're there for Donald Trump 77 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.720 and they were violating the gag order on his behalf. 78 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:48.040 Here's a list of about a dozen MAGA Republican Congress 79 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:52.920 members who showed up to engage in witness intimidation. And 80 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.959 then you had Matt Gates post I'm here, stand back, 81 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:00.160 stand by, I'm with you Donald Trump quoting the Proud Boy. 82 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:05.199 I don't. I don't see the outrage there from Ari Melburn. 83 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.439 I don't. I don't see the outrage there from CNN 84 00:05:08.439 --> 00:05:12.920 and Anderson Cooper. But where Michael Cohen calmly performed very 85 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.319 well on the witness stand and the cross exam overall 86 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.920 was pretty bad, and there was just one moment, and 87 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.319 the media then says that that's a that that's a 88 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.319 what are they even? What are they even talking about? 89 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.920 In any event, Dina, tell us what you thought of 90 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:32.240 today's proceedings. I've been I've been talking a lot with Karen. 91 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:33.199 I'm worked up. 92 00:05:34.480 --> 00:05:35.439 I love hearing you talk. 93 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:35.839 Ben. 94 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:39.240 You know, I just feel like, yeah, the cable news 95 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:43.920 takeaway they were desperate I think for a gotcha moment 96 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:47.000 against Michael Cohen. You know, they were kind of hyping 97 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.600 it up themselves. They're all about ratings and so anything. 98 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:55.319 I just felt like they just like grabbed onto because 99 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:59.680 I do think the takeaway was at its worst. This 100 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.519 phone phone call was about two things. I mean, if 101 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.879 anybody has seen Michael Cohen talk or done his tiktoks, 102 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:06.759 he can. 103 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.720 Say a lot in two minutes. Two minutes is quite 104 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:10.000 a lot. 105 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:12.839 I recap the trial every day in a minute in 106 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:17.040 thirty seconds, so certainly you can have more than one conversation, 107 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:22.600 but even more importantly, you know, talking about the facts right, 108 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:26.279 and talking about what matters here is the facts and 109 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.319 the transcripts. I went back and looked at the opening 110 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:33.560 statement transcript. How much did they rely right on that 111 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:37.040 one phone call? And the fact is the prosecutor talks 112 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:40.480 about quite a few times that Michael Cohen was speaking 113 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.560 with Donald Trump about the payment. They didn't say there 114 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:47.279 was this one phone call where he talks about it. 115 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.199 So I don't think this is going to be hard 116 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:54.399 for the prosecution to overcome. And I still keep on saying. 117 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.199 The tape, the tape, the tape, because. 118 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.680 The jury has already heard twice, and who knows it 119 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:06.279 might get replayed again and closing, but they've already heard 120 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:12.040 twice Donald Trump's own words talking about the payment to 121 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:15.519 Karen McDougall, the one hundred and fifty thousand dollars payment, 122 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:18.759 and Michael Cohen talking about how the plan was to 123 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.399 structure the payment. The payment to Stormy Daniels is so similar. 124 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:27.720 It's similar in facts, it's similar in pattern, That's why 125 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.720 it got introduced to have pattern evidence to help prove 126 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:35.759 the intent for this Stormy Daniels crime. That's exactly how 127 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:38.360 the jury is going to be instructed to look. 128 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:39.199 At that tape. 129 00:07:39.360 --> 00:07:42.639 And then also we heard from David Pecker, and you know, 130 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.480 we heard from everybody. We heard from so many witnesses 131 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.680 about the many conversations of the hush many payments. So 132 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:54.600 basically what the defense did today was try to say 133 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:57.600 that one of the phone calls, one of the conversations 134 00:07:57.639 --> 00:08:03.079 between Michael Cohen and and Donald Trump may have also 135 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.959 had to do with this fourteen year old harassment. 136 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:07.279 If they didn't have. 137 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.279 The recording, maybe that would be stronger. But that is 138 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:17.480 certainly not to me enough when you have a recording 139 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.959 like Donald Trump, and you have other witnesses like David 140 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.160 Pecker who's clearly talking about the scheme that they had 141 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:27.639 to do. So I don't think this was anything close 142 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.360 to what they needed to do. I mean, and cross examination, 143 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:32.639 I mean, you know, Ben, I mean, as a practicing lawyer, 144 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:36.320 cross examination is supposed to score some points, right, I mean, 145 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:40.120 I don't think I have ever seen a witness on 146 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:44.159 the stand that never has any points scored against him, 147 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.840 like that's just impossible. That's why you have redirect, that's 148 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.240 why they're going to have an hour. And the fact 149 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:54.080 of the matter is that one phone call is not 150 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:58.000 the thumb of the prosecution's case. 151 00:08:59.559 --> 00:09:02.600 Exactly. I mean, that's the point of cross exam and 152 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:04.799 I think it's fair to say, and look, I'll say 153 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.799 it on political beat down. I want to be objective. 154 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:11.720 Could you say that there was a tiny point that 155 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.720 was scored that a conversation can be about multiple topics, 156 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:18.120 and on direct it seemed that it was just about 157 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:21.159 one topic, but it actually could have been about two topics. 158 00:09:21.639 --> 00:09:24.399 And then there's all the other evidence corroborating it around 159 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:26.559 that time that it would be about the other topic, 160 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:29.360 which will be they will go over it again on 161 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:34.039 redirect of But okay, so it's a point. Why is 162 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:40.279 the media using these terms like that? And because when 163 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.720 you use the term like blood bath, you assume that 164 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:47.240 that then means like that must have been fatal and 165 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.480 you know, to the whole case, and it's it couldn't 166 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:53.440 be further from that when you actually break it down. 167 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:55.960 Here is what went down, because let's just go to 168 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.399 the transcript about what went down ready. So moments later, 169 00:09:59.559 --> 00:10:03.960 Cohen texted Shiller, Trump's bodyguard, the number of the person 170 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:07.559 who had been placing these harassing phone calls around this 171 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:11.879 time period October twenty fourth, so Blande, Trump's lawyer, then 172 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.480 pressed Cohen about his testimony that the call was with 173 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:22.200 Trump about Daniels and not with Shiller about harassing phone 174 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:25.600 calls that Cohen in the campaign were receiving. Quote that 175 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:30.080 was a lie, Blanche said to Cohen, his voice rising 176 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:34.879 and his tone sharp. And then Cohen's response was part 177 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.919 of it was the fourteen year old. But I know 178 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:42.039 that Keith Schiller, Trump's bodyguard, was with mister Trump at 179 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:45.200 the time, and it was more than just this, he said, 180 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.559 referring to the calls. And then this is Trump's lawyer. 181 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.159 You had enough time in one minute and thirty six 182 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:56.919 seconds to update mister Schiller about all the harassing phone 183 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.919 calls and the update on Stormy Daniels, Blanche asked, growing impatient. 184 00:11:02.720 --> 00:11:07.720 Owen replies calmly that he quote always ran everything by 185 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:11.360 the boss immediately, and in this case, it could have 186 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:15.360 been just saying everything's been taken care of, it's going 187 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:19.759 to be resolved. At that Todd Blanche, Trump's lawyer lost 188 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:23.519 his school. Quote. That was a lie. That was a lie, 189 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.559 he said, his voice now rising to a shriek. You 190 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:32.720 can admit it. And then Cohen says, no, sir, I can't. 191 00:11:32.840 --> 00:11:37.039 Cohen said, repeating that in addition to the conversation with 192 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:39.799 Schiller about the calls, quote, I believe that I also 193 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:43.279 spoke to mister Trump and told him everything regarding Stormy 194 00:11:43.360 --> 00:11:46.759 Daniels was being worked on and it's going to be resolved. 195 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.600 And then Trump's lawyer, Todd Blanche says, we are not 196 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:54.240 asking for your belief. Blanche said angrily, this jury doesn't 197 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.720 want to hear what you think happened. And there was 198 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.519 an objection by the prosecution and the objection was sustained, 199 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.559 so that last question was stricken and then they took 200 00:12:04.600 --> 00:12:10.240 a break. That's the moment. That's it. There's nothing else 201 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:14.399 that they were referring to. So again, Dina, when I 202 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:18.279 read what went down, I want to say, so that's 203 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:22.600 what Ari Melber was saying. Was this using the term 204 00:12:22.720 --> 00:12:26.919 blood bath moment that Cohen may have clarified that there 205 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:31.279 was more to the conversation than just one topic from 206 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:35.679 a phone call that was made in twenty in twenty sixteen, 207 00:12:36.279 --> 00:12:39.399 like huh. And then here's the thing to Dina. If 208 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:43.120 the media is going to use terms like that to 209 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:48.039 refer to Cohen, then use those terms when there actually 210 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.600 is overwhelming evidence every other day in trial about Donald Trump, 211 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.919 and they don't. They soften that language and act like, well, 212 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.360 I don't really know, and no, no, no, and try look 213 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.679 strong today. You know, they say all of these things. 214 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:04.960 I mean, take a look at this, Diana. Moments ago, 215 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.679 as Donald Trump was exiting the court, he admits that 216 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:11.840 he had an NDA and Trump says it was an 217 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:14.600 illegal and he said illegal. I think he meant legal, 218 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:17.559 but Trump said I have illegal NDA. Would storm me. 219 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:19.600 You're playing this clip that was. 220 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:23.919 From Jonathan Joerley Andrew McCarthy NDAs or legal in comment, 221 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:26.559 Trump's was illegal. 222 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.960 I have the only way illegal India. Good see. And 223 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:32.960 so you're not going to hear the media talk about 224 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.360 that moment. You know, we'll talk about it here. But 225 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.240 but but Dina, as I read this way, show me 226 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.799 the data where that was this moment, you know, I 227 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:43.639 don't get it. 228 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:47.960 Yeah, And to the point about the NDA that the 229 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:53.519 jury got as evidence, Trump's tweet where he talks about 230 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.759 it being a reimbursement. You know that Cohen has this, 231 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.960 he was invoice but it was a reimbursement for the end. 232 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.559 So in Trump's own words through this. 233 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.919 Tweet, he's talking about the reimbursement, he's talking about the NDA. 234 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.960 So there's just so much, like you said, other evidence, 235 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:14.919 I think, and I do think, and I kind of 236 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:18.279 said this on Tuesday's show that I think the problem 237 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.600 is is that people are being too nuanced about how 238 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.000 strong this case is and the country isn't going to 239 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:27.600 be prepared because when you have tweets like that being 240 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:32.200 introduced and recordings being introduced, so much evidence being introduced 241 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.799 on this case, I think this case is stronger than 242 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.720 the legal analysts are talking about on the networks. And 243 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.840 so when you have this one cross question that maybe 244 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:44.879 muddies the water about there being two topics instead of 245 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:48.320 one topic, which I don't think discounts all the evidence 246 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.320 that came forward, and you're calling it a bloodbath, you're 247 00:14:51.360 --> 00:14:55.039 really kind of I think giving the country the wrong 248 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.679 impression about how strong this case is. And hasn't the 249 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:04.159 media done this all alone? Diminished Trump's power and for 250 00:15:04.200 --> 00:15:07.240 whatever reason, been willing to put him on air even 251 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:10.320 though he's lying, and you know, over and over and 252 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:14.360 over again, and they I think they're doing that in 253 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.279 this trial. To me, like I said, I watch live 254 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.000 trials all the time. That is what I do for 255 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.120 a living. And a typical trial like this, you would 256 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:28.039 come out every day and say, this is huge, strong evidence. 257 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:32.919 You don't get, honestly, as much evidence of the defendant's. 258 00:15:32.399 --> 00:15:35.799 Own words in a trial. It's really unusual. 259 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:40.120 But because Trump likes to talk, the jury has heard 260 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:43.200 a lot of really damaging evidence from him directly. 261 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.279 I want to talk about that when we come back 262 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.519 from our break. Exactly. You watch hundreds of these trials 263 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:54.399 every single year, and the amount of evidence that you 264 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.519 see here against Trump is overwhelming. You don't see and 265 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.120 in all those other cases where the jury finds beyond 266 00:16:02.120 --> 00:16:04.840 a reasonable doubt that the defendants are guilty, you don't 267 00:16:04.879 --> 00:16:07.200 have the tweets, you don't have the posts, you don't 268 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.000 have the statements of them saying that they're doing it. 269 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.200 And there are convictions in those cases, and those cases 270 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.120 are covered by the media actually through a pretty objective lens. 271 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:20.840 But when it comes to a Trump case, the media, 272 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:24.440 the corporate media throws it all out. They bend backwards 273 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:26.799 to try to help Donald Trump. You've got Fox and 274 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.799 right wing kind of propaganda media, which is just like 275 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.919 Kim Jong un style at this point. But then you've 276 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.200 got corporate media, you know, even like on an MSNBC, 277 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.240 which Trump calls ms DNC. But you've got someone like 278 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:43.320 Ari Melber, who's got some personal beef with Michael Cohen, 279 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.879 who's out there calling that moment that we just read 280 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.000 in those terms, which is just belied by the actual 281 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:53.320 data anyway. So when we get back, I want to 282 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:54.759 talk to you more about that, and I want to 283 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:59.080 talk about this stunt by these magha Republicans Congress members. 284 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:02.960 It's supposed to be a coequal branch of government. Trump 285 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.880 like dresses them up to look like him, and they 286 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:09.440 show up there and they it's the ultimate boot licking. 287 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:11.720 And you see right there the sign behind Matchetts. This 288 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:16.759 is just humiliating for our it's just humiliating for our nation. 289 00:17:16.839 --> 00:17:21.240 And Matt Gates saying stand back and stand by horrible, 290 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:23.920 horrible stuff. We'll be right back after this quick break. 291 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.759 As you know, I'm a professor, podcaster, co founder of 292 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.640 a media network we're doing a lot. 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He goes, but did Cohen do the ad reads. 370 00:21:43.319 --> 00:21:45.599 I go, I think Cohen's a little busy this week. 371 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.880 I think we will. I think, well, I'll do the 372 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.799 ad reads. We'll let Brett do the ad reads this week. 373 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.200 But don't worry, you'll get your Cohen adreads next week. Buttina. 374 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:58.519 You you watch hundreds of trials every year where the 375 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:02.559 defendant doesn't tweet at it or give speeches about it. 376 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:07.640 And there is this overwhelming amount of evidence right now. 377 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:11.480 And if the media was reporting on this, you know, objectively, 378 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.759 I think they would at least point out the powerful 379 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:16.960 nature of that evidence. And here's the thing that I 380 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:19.599 want to say. No one knows what a jury's going 381 00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:21.839 to do, right. You don't know if you're going to 382 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:26.079 have a single juror or two or three jurors that 383 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.119 are kind of holding out, and if you're going to 384 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:31.640 have you know, issues there you just you don't know. 385 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:35.359 I don't know. But I can talk about the data, 386 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.480 about the about the amount of evidence that's been put 387 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:44.000 on by the prosecution. And to your point, the prosecution 388 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.599 wasn't like this is the key phone call that you 389 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.759 all need to focus on. This one minute and thirty 390 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.960 six seconds, this is it. This is the moment there's 391 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:01.640 a bunch of text messages and phone call and tweets 392 00:23:01.680 --> 00:23:07.039 and videos and posts and corroborating testimony and all and 393 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.319 all of this around this time period. So talk about that, Dana, though, 394 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.359 as just someone who is a legal analyst who observes 395 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:18.240 these cases, the disparity I think, or just how the 396 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.960 media right now is just covering this so oddly. 397 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:25.359 I mean, most cases, there is always a he says, 398 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:28.960 she said, component right here, it's maybe he said, he said, 399 00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:29.960 that's typical. 400 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:33.839 I mean, it's really unusual to have a tape. That's 401 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:35.160