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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the deep dive. Today. We're really getting into

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<v Speaker 1>something fascinating radio frequency identification. You probably know it as RFID, right, and.

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<v Speaker 2>We've pulled together quite a bit of material for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Chapters from academic books, some deep research papers, industry reports too.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, all aimed at giving you a really solid grasp

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<v Speaker 1>of this tech. It's well, it's kind of everywhere, quietly

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<v Speaker 1>shaping things.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh. Our mission really is to untack what RFID is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how it actually works, behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>And where it's being used. Because the applications are surprisingly diverse.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll look at the good, the bad, the benefits, and

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<v Speaker 1>the limitations.

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<v Speaker 2>And definitely the challenges things like adoption hurdles managing all

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<v Speaker 2>that data it creates.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like always, this is for you, the listener

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<v Speaker 1>who wants to get it without getting lost in like

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<v Speaker 1>super technical jargon.

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<v Speaker 2>We're aiming for those key insights as AHA moments. So

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<v Speaker 2>should we start with the basics. What is RFID fundamentally?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, let's break it down. What exactly are we

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<v Speaker 1>talking about WITHFID.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, at its heart, you've got two main bits, the

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<v Speaker 2>tag sometimes called a transponder, and the reader.

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<v Speaker 1>The tag like a little electronic label.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much Inside that tag there's a memory chip. Some

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<v Speaker 2>can hold a fair bit of data actually, maybe up

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<v Speaker 2>to sixty four kilobytes. And it has a tiny antenna

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<v Speaker 2>built right in.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so it's got memory and an antennae. How does it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, get the information out to the reader.

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<v Speaker 2>It uses radio waves. Basically, the reader sends out radio waves,

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<v Speaker 2>creating this electromagnetic field, okay, and the tag's antenna picks

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<v Speaker 2>up that energy. That exchange using radio waves. That's how

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<v Speaker 2>data gets sent back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, and I gather there isn't just like one kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tag.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's right. There are three main types. You'll generally

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<v Speaker 2>hear about passive, active, and semi passive. Sometimes they call

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<v Speaker 2>semi passive, hybrid.

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<v Speaker 1>Passive, active, semi passive. Okay, what's the difference.

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<v Speaker 2>Passive tags are well passive. They have no battery, no

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<v Speaker 2>internal power source at all.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do they work that?

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<v Speaker 2>They completely rely on the reader's radio. The reader sends

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<v Speaker 2>out energy, the tag picks it up, powers itself just

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<v Speaker 2>enough to send its data back.

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<v Speaker 1>Like some wireless phone chargers.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly like that. It's a process called inductive coupling. Power

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<v Speaker 2>transferred wirelessly over a short distance.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it, So active tags must have batteries.

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<v Speaker 2>Then correct, Active tags have their own internal battery. This

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<v Speaker 2>means they can actively broadcast their signal, which gives them

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<v Speaker 2>a much longer range.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, makes sense. And semi passive the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Ground precisely, they have a battery on board, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't constantly broadcast. They only wake up and transmit when

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<v Speaker 2>they get hit by a signal from a reader.

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<v Speaker 1>Ah, so they save power but still get better range

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<v Speaker 1>than passive.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. It helps overcome the short range issue

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<v Speaker 2>of passive tags without the maybe higher cost and complexity

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<v Speaker 2>of a fully active one.

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<v Speaker 1>That seems like a smart trade off. Now these radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>where on the spectrum are they operating? Is it like

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<v Speaker 1>Wi Fi frequencies?

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<v Speaker 2>They mostly operate and what's called the ISM band, industrial, scientific,

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<v Speaker 2>and metic. These are frequencies set aside internationally for these

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of uses, not public broadcasting, IONBANKAM and within that

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<v Speaker 2>for commercial r FID. You tend to see a few

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<v Speaker 2>main categories low frequency or LF, high frequency HF, then

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<v Speaker 2>ultra high frequency UHF that's a big one, and microwave frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, quite a range what are the actual numbers for those?

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<v Speaker 2>Roughly sure LF is around one hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>to one hundred and thirty four killer herts. HF is

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<v Speaker 2>typically thirteen point five six megahertz. UHF has a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of key spots around four hundred and thirty three megahertz,

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<v Speaker 2>and then a wider band eight hundreds and sixty eight

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<v Speaker 2>to nine hundred and twenty eight megahertz. Microwave is up

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<v Speaker 2>at two point four five gigahertz.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a yeah, a lot of different frequencies. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>cause problems like getting things to work together globally? Is

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<v Speaker 1>there push for standards? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Interoperability is crucial, especially for global supply chains. You

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<v Speaker 2>need tags and readers to talk the same language.

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<v Speaker 1>Essentially makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an organization EPC Global which came from the merger

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<v Speaker 2>of the groups behind barcodes, now called GS one. They've

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<v Speaker 2>been really pushing for the eight sixty to nine hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty megahertz spectrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's the range used by their EPC Class one

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<v Speaker 1>Gen two tags. The idea is to have a global standard,

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<v Speaker 1>much like barcodes have now thanks to GS one.

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<v Speaker 2>And how widely adopted was that standard, say background two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven, was it catching on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the data from September two thousand and seven showed

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four countries had regulations in place for that specific

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<v Speaker 1>UHF band eight hundred and sixty to nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty mitahertz.

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<v Speaker 2>Fifty four wow.

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<v Speaker 1>And interestingly, those fifty four countries represented something like ninety

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<v Speaker 1>two percent of the world's gross national income at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>so the major economies were getting on board.

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<v Speaker 2>That's significant. Do you have examples of specific country allocations.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, the US, for instance, used nine hundred and fifteen metahertz,

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<v Speaker 1>Australia was using nine hundred and twenty to one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty six mitahertz. Okay, New Zealand had a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of slots within nine hundred two to nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight megahertz, plus another band around eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four megahertz. They were even thinking about freezing licenses

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<v Speaker 1>in one range to you know, plan better for future

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<v Speaker 1>RF fight growth, aiming for that global alignment, strategic planning,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're well, the European Commission was looking at adopting

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<v Speaker 1>ultra wide band frequencies even higher up between three point

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<v Speaker 1>four and eight point five giar heerds, so lots of

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<v Speaker 1>activity trying to harmonize. It really shows the complexity of

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<v Speaker 1>making this stuff work seamlessly across borders. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>shift gears a bit. Barcodes. Everyone knows barcodes. RFID is

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<v Speaker 1>often talked about as like the replacement, Is it that simple?

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<v Speaker 2>You hear that a lot, but the reality is, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's more complicated. Barcodes have been around a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>patented in nineteen forty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, really that early?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, though they didn't really take off widely until the

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<v Speaker 2>late eighties early nineties. By the mid two thousands they

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<v Speaker 2>were absolutely everywhere, deeply embedded. Right, And even then people

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<v Speaker 2>were pointing out that barcodes were still very relevant, often

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<v Speaker 2>working alongside RFID. The FDA mandating them for medications was

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<v Speaker 2>a huge reinforcement point, and surveys even more recently showed

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<v Speaker 2>demand for barcodes scanners was still strong. So it's less

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<v Speaker 2>about replacement, more about understanding where each technology shines. They

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<v Speaker 2>have different strength and weaknesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's get into those differences. How they actually

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<v Speaker 1>read the data is fundamentally different, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally different barcodes need light. A scanner uses optical tech

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<v Speaker 2>to see and interpret the pattern of lines and spaces,

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<v Speaker 2>so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Need that direct line of sight. You have to point

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<v Speaker 1>the scanner right at it.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, or position the item just so. For a fixed scanner,

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<v Speaker 2>it often needs a human to line things up. And

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<v Speaker 2>RFID uses those radio waves we talked about rf or

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<v Speaker 2>electromagnetic waves.

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<v Speaker 1>No light needed, which means no line of sight required.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, that's a massive difference. It can read tags through

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<v Speaker 2>packaging around corners, sometimes omni directionally, and the range can

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<v Speaker 2>be much further, up to a few yards depending on

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that omnidirectional, no line of sight thing sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a game changer for automation. What else separates them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, orientation sensitivity. Barcodes can be fussy about the angle

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<v Speaker 2>you scan the map. Sure, RFID, being radio based, doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really care about orientation. Then there's data capacity. Barcodes hold

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<v Speaker 2>very little basically just an ID number. RFID tags can

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<v Speaker 2>hold much more data, and crucially, often that data can

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<v Speaker 2>be rewritten or updated.

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<v Speaker 1>You can change the info on the tag ah rewriteable.

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<v Speaker 1>That's big. What about reading many items?

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<v Speaker 2>Big difference there too, barcodes are one at a time,

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<v Speaker 2>scan beep, scan beep.

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<v Speaker 1>We've all been there at the checkout exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>RFID readers can often read multiple tags simultaneously, all the

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<v Speaker 2>tags within their read zone pretty much at the same time.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, endurability barcodes seem kind of flimsy.

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<v Speaker 2>They are paper labels get torn, smudged, scratched easily. If

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<v Speaker 2>the barcode is damaged, it might not read at all.

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<v Speaker 2>RFID tags, especially if they're encased in plastic or embedded

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<v Speaker 2>in an object, are generally way more robust.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So summing up the advantages of RFID, then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the big ones?

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<v Speaker 2>It really boils down to more potential or automation because

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<v Speaker 2>no line of site needed, much faster data capture, reading

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<v Speaker 2>many items at once, potentially better accuracy for things like inventory,

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<v Speaker 2>and getting that real time visibility knowing where things are.

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<v Speaker 1>Right that paints the clear picture. Yeah. Now that we

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<v Speaker 1>get the whats and the versus bar codes, let's talk applications.

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<v Speaker 1>Where is RFID actually making a difference out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a huge area is supply chain logistics and manufacturing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just built for improving efficiency there by automating data capture,

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<v Speaker 2>tracking merchandise as it moves, automatically, sorting things in warehouses,

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<v Speaker 2>collecting distribution data. It just makes everything visible, so businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a clearer picture of their stock and where it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is exactly, real time information and analyzing all that RFID data,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, data mining can uncover some really interesting things

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<v Speaker 2>like how product placement affects sales or predicting demand better.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, very powerful for operations. What about retail where

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<v Speaker 1>we see bar codes all the times. RFID making inroads there.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, Retailers have been exploring it for years. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a famous Walmart trial back in two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember hearing about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were tagging cases, not individual items yet, but

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<v Speaker 2>even that showed a pretty significant drop in out of stocks,

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<v Speaker 2>like sixteen percent reduction in some areas, apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Without changing workflows much.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the key finding. Yeah, it showed RFID could

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<v Speaker 2>boost inventory accuracy without a massive process overhaul.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. So the potentials there, especially if they start tagging

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<v Speaker 1>individual items.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the long term vision. Tagging items could mean even

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<v Speaker 2>better inventory counts, maybe faster checkouts eventually better visibility overall

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<v Speaker 2>for the retailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, beyond supply chains and shops. Where else healthcare seems

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<v Speaker 1>like a place where this could be really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Absolutely, healthcare is a major area. Patient ID and

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<v Speaker 2>tracking is one use. There were pilot projects I think

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<v Speaker 2>in New Zealand using RFID wristbands in emergency.

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<v Speaker 1>Departments for quick identification exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And tracking doctors and nurses too, knowing their location in

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<v Speaker 2>real time could be idle and emergencies.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see that. What else in hospitals.

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<v Speaker 2>Managing expensive equipment, making sure critical machines are where they

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<v Speaker 2>need to be, preventing loss. Also smart cabinets for controlling

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<v Speaker 2>access to drugs or instruments.

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<v Speaker 1>AH, security and accountability.

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<v Speaker 2>Right and medication safety. There was a system at a

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<v Speaker 2>And there's research into using passive RFID systems to maybe

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<v Speaker 1>That's a huge range of applications just within healthcare, amazing

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<v Speaker 1>any other sectors where it's having a big impact, maybe surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>Ones sure emergency management is another key one think authenticating

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<v Speaker 2>first responders quickly at a scene, right, Automating logistics during

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<v Speaker 2>Even tools for rehabilitation after brain injuries using RFID to

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<v Speaker 1>That's quite touching, actually using tech for that kind of support.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and libraries use it for tracking books, automating inventory.

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<v Speaker 2>Some even have robots with RFID readers scanning shelves.

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<v Speaker 1>A robot librarian.

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<v Speaker 2>Public transport uses it everywhere for tickets on smart cards,

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<v Speaker 2>and even things like m commerce using RFID potentially for

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, you mentioned surgical sponges earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Yes, some hospitals are using RFID tags insurgical sponges

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<v Speaker 2>to make absolutely sure none get left behind inside a

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<v Speaker 2>patient after an operation. It's a very real safety concern.

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<v Speaker 2>RFID can help address.

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<v Speaker 1>That is Wow, that's critical.

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<v Speaker 2>And remember that data on tag idea that's leading to

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<v Speaker 2>linen dropped in. Great for hotels, hospitals.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is incredibly versatile, from life saving applications to

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<v Speaker 1>well laundry. But okay, it sounds amazing. It can't be

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<v Speaker 1>all positive, right, There must be downside challenges to getting

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<v Speaker 2>One big one that keeps coming up as standards, or

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<v Speaker 2>Even with those efforts, getting true global interoperability where everything

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<v Speaker 2>works perfectly everywhere is still a challenge. Different regions, different

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<v Speaker 2>industries might use slightly different frequencies or protocols. That complicates that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd see well else.

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<v Speaker 2>Cost is still a factor. Tags are way cheaper than

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<v Speaker 2>they used to be, but compared to a virtually free

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<v Speaker 2>barcode printed on packaging, RFID tags still cost something.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe not feasible for life every single can.

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<v Speaker 2>Of beans exactly for tagging billions of low cost items

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<v Speaker 2>the cost per tag, even if it's sense, adds up

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense, and privacy that always comes up with tracking.

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<v Speaker 2>Tech huge issue. People worry about items being cracked after

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<v Speaker 2>that data? Could it be misused? These are really valid concerns, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>And what about just handling all the information these tags generate.

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<v Speaker 1>That must be a challenge in itself.

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<v Speaker 2>You hit the nail on the head. Data management is

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<v Speaker 2>a whole cluster of issues. First off, you've got false reads.

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<v Speaker 2>tag collision, where signals from lots of tags near a

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<v Speaker 1>The reader might miss a tag or read one that

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<v Speaker 2>It can happen. Real world accuracy isn't always that perfect

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine point nine percent you might hope for. That

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what else on the data front, just.

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<v Speaker 2>The sheer amount of data. Think about scanning every item constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>It's a potential data explosion. You need serious systems to store, manage,

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<v Speaker 2>and analyze all that data, warehousing, data mining.

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<v Speaker 1>Find the useful patterns in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Noise exactly, and you need it in real time often,

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<v Speaker 2>so the systems need to be fast and reliable. Then

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<v Speaker 2>there's data security, protecting sensitive info on tags or being

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<v Speaker 2>transmitted to the Encryption becomes really important, right and integrating

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<v Speaker 2>RFID data with a company's existing IT systems like their

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<v Speaker 2>inventory or sales software that can be complex. Plus sharing

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<v Speaker 2>data between partners like suppliers and retailers needs careful setup.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it really sounds like putting an RFID is way

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<v Speaker 1>more than just buying tags and readers, oh much more.

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<v Speaker 2>It often forces companies to completely rethink and re engineer

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<v Speaker 1>So it's a big organizational change too, definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>And you have technical compatibility issues making sure it works

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<v Speaker 2>with existing Wi Fi networks, for example, especially in places

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<v Speaker 2>like hospitals, Designing and managing the reader network itself, placing

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<v Speaker 2>readers optimally it's complex.

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<v Speaker 1>And keeping up with the standards as they evolve.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Plus in some sectors like healthcare, again, you might

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<v Speaker 2>just the challenge of proving the benefit clearly to get funding.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned reality gaps. What's that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when the people designing the system have one idea

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<v Speaker 2>of how it will be used, but the reality for

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<v Speaker 2>to day workflow is different. The system might not fit

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a comprehensive list of challenges technical, cost, privacy, data, organizational.

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<v Speaker 1>But people are working on solutions, right. What advancements are

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely, there's a lot of work going on for

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<v Speaker 2>the data overload and false reads. People are developing smarter

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<v Speaker 2>data filtering techniques using business rules, so the system only

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<v Speaker 2>pays attention to meaningful events, not just every single read.

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<v Speaker 1>Filtering the noise makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Data on tag approach is interesting too, putting more processing

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<v Speaker 2>power and memory on the tag itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the smart laundry bin example.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, the tag does some of the work reducing the

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<v Speaker 2>load on the central system. Then there's research into semantic annotation.

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<v Speaker 1>Spantic annotation sounds fancy, It just.

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<v Speaker 2>Means adding richer descriptions to the tag. Data, saying what

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<v Speaker 2>the object is in more detail. This could help systems

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<v Speaker 2>understand the data better, maybe link it with other info

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<v Speaker 2>like from bluetooth beacons.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course ongoing work to just make the tags and readers cheaper,

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<v Speaker 2>more accurate, better at handling interference that's always happening.

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<v Speaker 1>What about the primacy side.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots of focus. There better encryption methods to easily deactivate

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<v Speaker 2>tags after purchase so they can't be tracked. Even concepts

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<v Speaker 2>like blocker tags that could sort of shield your other

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<v Speaker 1>Scans blocker tags. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>People are also using AI intelligence software agents to analyze

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<v Speaker 2>the data, maybe create patient profiles in healthcare, automate library.

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<v Speaker 1>Tasks using AI to make sense of.

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<v Speaker 2>It all right, and for tracking moving objects accurately. Researchers

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<v Speaker 2>are combining RFID with video analysis, looking at sequences of

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<v Speaker 2>fixed mobile convergence for seamless network switching and businesses.

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<v Speaker 1>So lots of innovation tackling the problems from different angles.

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<v Speaker 1>It really sounds like the technology is maturing As we

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<v Speaker 1>wrap up this deep dive, then, what are the absolute

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<v Speaker 1>key things you want listeners to take away about RFID,

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<v Speaker 1>I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The main point is that RFID is fundamentally a really

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<v Speaker 2>powerful and adaptable technology for automatically identifying things and capturing data.

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<v Speaker 2>Its uses are incredibly broad and still growing.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge potential benefits for efficiency, accuracy, visibility.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, But and this is the important but its path

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<v Speaker 2>to being everywhere still has bumps. Standards need more work,

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<v Speaker 2>Costs need to keep coming down, Privacy needs constant attention,

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<v Speaker 2>and managing the data effectively is well, it's non trivial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely been eye opening some of those applications, like

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<v Speaker 1>at the surgical sponges that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just incredible, right, and the smart laundry bin may be

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<v Speaker 2>more mundane, but still clever assisted living support. It shows

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<v Speaker 2>the sheer.

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<v Speaker 1>Range it really does. The versatility is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe here's a final thought for you for everyone listening.

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<v Speaker 2>As RFID tech keeps getting better and cheaper and these

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<v Speaker 2>innovations take hold, how else might it transform everyday stuff, objects, processes,

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<v Speaker 2>things we maybe haven't even thought of yet, And how

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<v Speaker 2>do we strike that balance between all the convenience and

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<v Speaker 2>efficiency it offers and you know, the potential privacy implications

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<v Speaker 2>in a world where more and more things are connected

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<v Speaker 2>and trackable.

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<v Speaker 1>That is definitely something to think about. A really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>question to end on. Thanks so much for walking us

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<v Speaker 1>through all this. It's been fascinating my pleasure.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a really dynamic field indeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's it for this deep dive. Thanks for joining us,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll catch you on the next exploration.