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Dogmenencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman

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Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest says that

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as long as he can remember, he's had paranormal experiences,

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and most of the paranormal entities and beings that he's

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experienced encounters with. Unfortunately, it seemed like they were doing

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all they could just mortify him to within an inch

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of his life. Can you imagine. I mean, being a

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kid is difficult enough, imagine having to deal with that

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as well. Yeah, I'd rather not even imagine that. Well, nonetheless,

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without any further ado, let's bring him in here now. Patrick,

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thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Hey, they're vic. Hey, their dog family, how's ever doing well?

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Speaker 3: Just you know, they're not a dog family, their dog miniacs.

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Speaker 2: There you go, there you go?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, please give us a brief bio on yourself. Patrick.

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Speaker 1: Sure, my name is Patrick. I'm from New York. It's

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going to raise there. I've lived most of my life

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now in Texas. I'm glad to be here. I'm thirty nine.

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We've got three kids of my own and doing them

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all out my wife. We've helped raise is four or

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five other kids into productive you know, young adults, and

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uh just live out here in Wiley, Texas and try

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and enjoy life as much as we can. And amongst

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all the stress that we all have to deal with.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's unfortunate you have to deal with all that stress.

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And like I touched on just a moment ago, in

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addition to all the stress that normal life tends to

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bring you, you have to deal with the stress that

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having all these other experiences with the pure normal and

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the dog men brings to your life. It just doesn't fear,

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is it.

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: But that's almost sometimes that my life can be. Sometimes

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that's almost like the easy part. But and learning how

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to function is still do our daily routine and be

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a parent and effective as uh I can pose a

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difficulty at times.

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Speaker 3: Well yeah, definitely can. But the fact you're still going

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and doing what you need to do. This is a

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lot about your character because a lot of people wouldn't

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be able to continue on and everything the what you have,

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So I'm impressed. Now, just a moment ago there, Patrick,

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I touched on the fact that you've had all these

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experiences with the pirananormal for I guess, stretching back as

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long as you can remember, what was the earliest paranormal

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experience that you can remember having.

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Speaker 1: Well, but the earliest paranormal experience I can remember having

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would be from the day that my grandfather passed away. Well,

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I was with him when he died, but a couple

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of weeks later, my grandmother she doing laundry and she

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comes and sees me at the back porch and she

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asked me who I was talking to.

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Speaker 2: And I was just talking to my grandfather.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know it at the time, but I

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was talking to his spirit at the time. But and

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surely after my experience with him left me, I guess

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that's when I started having to deal with all the

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other things that deided to come into my life and

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show themselves to me.

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Speaker 3: Well, like I told you, I'm so sorry you have

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to deal with those things that unfortunately decided to come

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into your life. It just doesn't fear like as said now,

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you describe yourself as being a sensitive. Do you see

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it as being a curse that you're sensitive to pure

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normal things, or do you see it as being a

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good thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, I see it to be a good thing overall.

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I mean it helps you, you know, when it comes

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to judgment of character of other people, like you can

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just sense and immediately people's intentions.

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Speaker 2: And also it.

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Speaker 1: Helps helps when I'm trying to help people, like when

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I know that they're going through something, and I've helped

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complete strangers that are going through terrible crisis and that

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would you would have no clue on the surface that

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they're having such terrible.

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Speaker 2: Issues, and you can just kind of feel it.

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Speaker 1: And that's led me to all kinds of places, just

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kind of feeling where I'm supposed to be. And I've

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done some really good things for people, and some of

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which my kids were there to witness, like helping this

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girl who was attempted kidnapping and I got her away

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from this person and got her back home. So I

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you know, just it'll tell you where you should be.

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but he turns out to be the right place. At

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the right time, And even if it's not convenient for me,

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I'm in the right place to help somebody.

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Speaker 3: You're a good man for helping all these people. Yeah,

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this says a lot about your character. Of course. I'm

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impressed now considering the fact you've had all these pure

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normal experiences. I'd be kind of remiss if I didn't

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ask you. At any time in your life, have you

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ever played with a weedgi board?

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Speaker 2: No? Never.

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Speaker 1: I will never mess with anything like that. I don't

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want nothing to do with it. I don't want to

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play with any of the dark arts. I mean, whether

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they're I mean, I couldn't tell you if the real

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or not, but I just I'd rather just not mess

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with it. And for a period of time, actually, when

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I was really going through like the spiritual awakening, I

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was looking into spiritual warfare and I had a female dog,

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this little roddy, that I had rescued probably like a

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month prior. And the day after I gave my testimony

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and I was saved, you know, and you know where

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you put that, basically whose side you stand on, God

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or the others? And the very next day she was

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she was struck and killed, and it felt like it

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was almost like a message. But yeah, now it's being

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as sensitive is it can be very helpful for others.

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Speaker 2: And but it kind of keeps you in uh.

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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, always aware of what's going

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of things aren't going on around you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you know, a lot of things are going

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on around us in day to day life that most

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people don't even know about. So yeah, maybe that is

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an advantage, the fact that you know about them. But

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or at least seem to be that way.

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Speaker 1: So especially they know that you know about them, that's

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when things can get bad.

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Speaker 3: Well, I believe it. And of course I'm so sorry

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to hear about you losing your dog like that.

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Speaker 2: That's awful. Yeah, yeah, it was really sad.

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Speaker 1: I came home from work and didn't even get up,

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didn't go in the house. I just went straight to

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picked her up and I buried her in the yard

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at this night and it was cold and rainy, and

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where they try and make their presence all that more

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into your life too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, that's just not fear. And wow,

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I'm so sorry that happened. I really am. Well, Patrick,

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please tell us all about your encounters. Now, give us

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ever last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 1: So the very first time ever encountered anything, it was

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after my grandfather passed away and I spoke spoken with him,

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and on that note, strangely enough, my aunt when I

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was on my eighteenth birthday, I was on the phone

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with her really late one night, and she had told me.

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grandfather died, because I lived with them when I was

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little and I only remember trying to wake them up.

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me that day? I said no, and she filled me

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in that I basically told her, well that Grandpa was gonna,

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I guess, pass away or die. I don't know what

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words it was put in, but she said that she

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had gotten the feeling that I told her that he

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was gonna pass and but everything was gonna be okay.

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after my grandfather passed. I was a very sad and

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lonely little boy, and uh it was crushed, you know.

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He was like my first dad. And I remember when

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I was four, was like about four, and I my

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very first dream, my first nightmare, I was running through

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a I was running across his wooden floor, and I

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can remember seeing my.

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Speaker 2: Little feet flooding across the floor.

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Speaker 1: And to the right of me there's this window and

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it's it's open, and it has this white frame around

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the window, and it has these very this, this very

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thin see through, very ornate curtains and they're billowing in

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the wind. There was a storm going on outside and

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it was raining and thundering and lightning. And to the

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left of me was these iron framed beds with light

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with these white linens. And behind me, I'm running from

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this monster, and I remember looking over my shoulder and

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seeing these big red glowing eyes like the coal embers,

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and it's glaring at me and I'm just running as

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hard as I can, and it's just like window window

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window bed bed, bed bed bed and I can just

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hear my feet thudding across the floor, and every time

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this thing, it kept on gaining ground and it would

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start snapping at me. And that's the first time I

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ever seen something as terrifying as that. And it had

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a muddle and a mouthful of teeth.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't really see its body shape, but I can

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see the head. There were time I look back and

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snap at me, and it felt like I was never

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gonna get to the end of the hall, end of

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you describe that to somebody when you're that age?

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Speaker 2: You really can't.

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Speaker 1: And uh So, reflecting upon that, I think, uh, it's

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strange to say, But you know, I don't know how

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we know these things when we're so young, and to

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see things that we've never seen before that we know

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Speaker 2: But I grew up in a.

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Speaker 1: Trailer and I don't ever recall and my memory is

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very clear, vivid, even even when I was two, I

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can remember, So I don't recall being on wooden floors

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like that, not like those those hollow wooden floors, like

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is a metaphor of an orphanage. My mom she couldn't

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take care of me when she was little, and she's

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gonna give me up. And I don't hold any resentment

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for it. She had already lost custody with my sister

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at the time, and and I think that might have

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been an orphanage. And I'm not sure what the dog

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man thing werewolf or whatever represented, but I just know

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it was terrifying and it was chasing me. And yeah,

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so that was my first time experiencing that, and and

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more paranormal stuff came after that, but we're gonna stick

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to the dog man stuff. But so growing up being

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sensitive to things, you know, you always kind of feel

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things when they're around. Now, at first, probably starting like

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too much, and I was tired of listening to the cowboys,

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just obsessed listening to it.

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Speaker 2: And I came across an episode where it was a

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listened to it, and he described how this predator was

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stalking his land. He couldn't quite see it, and you

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just see it in the underbrush, and somehow it moved

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all the way across to in front of him, towards

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about thirty feet, and it.

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Speaker 2: Stood up and.

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Speaker 1: It looked like it was gonna charge, and he fired

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three rounds into it of forty five and it took

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the shots and and eventually took off. And that was

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the first time I ever heard of a dog man,

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and so I started looking at dog man, and I

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came across your show, Vic, and the first few episodes

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I listened to, I really honestly I thought it was fake.

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I thought it was like just entertainment and people are

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reading off scripts because there's no way that something like

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that could be real. I mean, to wrap your mind

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around something like that bigfoot sure humanoid eight thing, you know,

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I guess that kind of makes more sense. And plus

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we've been hearing about it for a lot longer, and

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dog Man was this whole new phenomenon. And so I

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started listening to a few the episodes, and again, like

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I said, I thought it was fake. And the more

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and more I listened, the more you I mean, you

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can tell when people are being truthful. You can hear

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the emotion in their voice, and you can hear the fear.

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And I was just I became, you know, engulfed into that.

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at work, and I listened to it on the way home.

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I listened to it when I go to bed, and

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I remember I even was like, you know, just like

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a lot of people, you know, wanting to see one.

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And I remember I had a message Vic on Facebook

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and talked, you know, I was talking about wanting to

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see one, and he was like, no, you really don't,

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you know, searching those guys out aren't isn't It's it's

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not all cracked up, and it's not a not a

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great experience.

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Speaker 2: And well I discovered that he was right now.

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Speaker 1: And this is probably about maybe a year or so.

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Maybe you give her take listening to these episodes. It

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was I remember it was uh probably was it.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two, I think, or twenty twenty three, I'm

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not sure.

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Speaker 1: But I decided I found a kayak and I was

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going to go kayaking down this creek right here. It's

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called Ralet Creek. It's located here in Texas by uh

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in between Garland and Saxony and Wiley. That has a

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whole green belt right there, and the creek's very nice.

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I go, I go fishing there all. I went fishing

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there all the time, and I take my dog bellowed

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everywhere I went. She went, so, uh, I was going

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to go kayaking, and it's relatively shallow in some spots,

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and there's you know, I could that wouldn't matter where

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I'd go. She trying to follow me anyway, So I

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took her with me. I had a bit too much

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stuff with me at the time, just big old bag.

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That's kind of you know, just trial it error, And well,

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I'm going down the creek and it's right there, probably

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like four to five hundred yards past what it's called

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the Garling gun Range. So you can look it up

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on a map and look at the satellite. You can

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see the creek right there past the gun range. And

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then there's these pipes that go across the creek. And

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there was a build up of logs there, and so

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I couldn't just freely, you know, go with my kayak

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and and Bella she's trotting right alongside me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going very fast.

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Speaker 1: I mean, anyone who's been kayaking, you know, you're not

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speeding through the water or anything. So she was right

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there along my left hand side, of my left flank,

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and so I stopped there, and I was gonna pull

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my kayak over the some of the debris there.

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Speaker 2: And keep on going.

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Speaker 1: Well, at that time, as I had just gotten over

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the debris, I hadn't pull my kayak over there just yet.

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I was just checking out, you know, the ground, and

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make sure that it's navigable and give Bello a break.

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And I heard a growl, and not only did I

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hear it, but I felt it. It was like a rumbling,

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like a It's very quick on, maybe two seconds, give

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or take, and I felt it in my chest.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm in the creek bottom and each side is

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probably about take.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five feet up to ground level, and I

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wasn't sure which direction it came from. Now I know

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that there, I've seen Bobcat, and I've seen a mountain lion,

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and I've got video footage of a mountain lion coming

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across his burnt bridge one day when me and Bellow

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we're going to go fishing, and so I knew there

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was a big cat in the area, and but I

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just wanted to go investigate anyways, And so I climb

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up there on the left hand side, the side closest

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to me, and I looked around for about five ten minutes,

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and Bella sniffed and didn't really get get anything. So

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I decided that perhaps maybe I should just sit right

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there and this fish for a little while, because there's

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a good fishing hole of its right there. I've seen

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these guys pull up a bunch of catfish from there,

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so I decided to do that. I was fishing there,

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I don't know, fifteen minutes or so after this all

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already happened, and my kayaks kind of like pulled up

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there on the shore, and Bella she starts to growl.

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Now I'm really in a line and Bella, I hear her.

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She's on my right hand side, sitting and she's she

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looks up across to the left to our ten o'clock

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and she's growling. She's got a low growl. She now,

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bell she never really barked. She wasn't allowed or anything

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like that. She's the type of dog that you'll find

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out there's a dog in the house when once you

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get in, get through the door, and then you'll be,

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you know, wishing he never came in. So she sh

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had this low growl and her hackers were raised. And

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I'm looking up there and I don't see anything, so well,

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maybe that that cat.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is around somewhere.

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Speaker 1: As again, I saw this last when I saw this, uh,

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this cougar, it was during the daytime and typically they

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usually do their thing, you know, during the night. But

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I thought maybe it was that that guy because it

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was it was.

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Speaker 2: A young adolescent.

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Speaker 1: And but you know, I'm still looking nothing, nothing, and uh,

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and I can I can hear her just growing intensity,

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and I tell her to knock it off to quit,

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and she's so she sits and she quiets down and

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settles down, but she still got her eyes glued. And

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I look up there and now across from me diagonally

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again to my ten o'clock ten to nine ten o'clock

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position up there on ground level, probably again about twenty

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five thirty feet up, and this creek is maybe twenty

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five feet across, so maybe sixteen ish feet.

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Speaker 2: Directly in my line of sight. I saw black it's

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for back of something, and.

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Speaker 1: You can see the shoulder blades just lifting as it moves,

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and I see the head he sell the front blazes,

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and then it steps out.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, can you hear me? If you can, you're

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breaking up.

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Speaker 2: You're fine.

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Speaker 3: You're in the same spot. You're parked in the same

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spot we.

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Speaker 2: Begin this in. Is that right? Yes, sir, that's strange.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're better now, So I apologize about interrupting. Please

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continue in hopefully the signal will cooperate.

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Speaker 2: You got it.

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Speaker 1: So where I leave off, I saw this black haired

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creature and I saw its shoulder blades. Walking into the

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clearing was this large dog figure.

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Speaker 2: I saw its head.

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Speaker 1: Its head was lowered down towards the ground. It wasn't

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quite looking at me. It's head was moving side to side,

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but it was massive. It's really huge, I'd have to say.

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To its shoulder blade had it been almost five feet,

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I mean, and that's massive. And from the neck, from

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the base of the neck to the hind quarters I'm

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guessing was maybe seven six and a half seven feet.

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But then it had a probably a three foot long tail,

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and its front legs were longer than the back, and

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it had a I mean.

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Speaker 2: It really big had I mean, the body was huge.

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Speaker 1: It's very thick, and it reaches with its left its

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left leg and a paw hand whatever I mean. I

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wasn't expecting that. But it grabbed a hold of this

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tree and it stood itself up and it faced me directly.

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And it didn't have that much fur on the bottom

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on it, like on the chest and the underside. It's

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kind of like a grayish like a dark grayish colored skin.

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The and it looked like it had like almost the

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combination of a rib cage like a dog has its

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kind of curved but also had pecs like a human

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being like and you can see the muscles beneath the fur.

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Speaker 2: Now the fur itself was this glossy black like and looked.

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Speaker 1: Very clean, probably three and a half four inches long,

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or the entire body except around the neck area.

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Speaker 2: It seemed to like have almost like a mane where

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it's thicker.

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Speaker 1: It uh and it was like this beautiful jet black, shiny,

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and it looked like a dog had just had a

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had a bath, almost very clean, and these bright yellow

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eyes like the size of lemons. And why what confused

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me is the fact that it showed itself to me,

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And I don't understand why it didn't make It wasn't aggressive,

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it didn't it didn't growl or didn't make any really

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any noise, except that it did yawn like kind of

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like a dog does, like when it stretches, like it

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put its its its arm up onto the tree, and

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it kind of looked like it was stretching his back

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some and it opened his mouth and it yawned, and

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it turned his mouth towards me. And as it was yawning,

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and it had looked like it had like nothing but

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canines in his whole mouth. Its tongue was kind of

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hanging out lazily like a dog. But it was just

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sitting there staring and Bella she was. She was not

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happy about it. She she had a low growl in

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her throat, and I was startled. I'm still sitting there,

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really in a poll, and I guess my my hook

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had gotten caught up on something. And I'm standing there

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wearing these stupid crocs on wet clay and there's no grip,

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and I wound up slipping and I fall right on

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my butt and it snapped its like it's head right

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back back to me, and it just stared through me.

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Now I didn't get I got a sense that it

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wasn't there to hurt me, but there was definitely that

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feeling that like basically to not test it, I mean,

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because I'll find out if it would kind of I

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didn't know what to say. Bella's she she was growling

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and it would it would glare at her, and she didn't.

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She didn't whind she you know, sometimes I've heard where

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the dogs seemed to, you know, get scared or kind

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of like passive, like become passive to it, and but

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she didn't do any of that.

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Speaker 2: She she looked like she was ready for a fight.

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Speaker 1: You can tell that she was wanting to to spring,

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but she she she listens to me very well, and

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she wouldn't leave my side, and.

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Speaker 2: I know she'd fight for the death, to the death

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for me, of course.

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Speaker 1: And we've had run ins with coyotes before where me

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and her both had to dispatch coyotes. But uh, she

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she obviously was not She wasn't impressed. I'm guessing I

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don't know, but I was blown away and that happened.

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It took maybe three minutes, three to four minutes, I guess,

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give or take for that encounter, which is relatively long

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from what it sounds like, and it eventually it just

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sauntered away, It turned and walked off. Now what's terrifying

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is like after that, I'd become very hyper vigilant because,

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like one, there's a woman that like that. The year before,

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there's a woman that had went missing down there, and

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someone a fisherman I believe it was probably during the

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Sand Bass run February March. They had found a limb

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and she was identified by DNA and there was there

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wasn't a complete skeleton.

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Speaker 2: It was just a part or did it have anything

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to do with it. I don't know what it was

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doing there. I don't know either.

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Speaker 1: At the time, I was very much into I don't

477
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really want to see a dog man like I would

478
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:05,480
to talk about with some people and message and and.

479
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,319
Speaker 2: I really wanted to go see these things.

480
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:11,599
Speaker 1: And the fact that that was benign, I couldn't imagine

481
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,799
if it was in a threatening posture, and that would

482
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:19,400
be more than terrifying, you know, people would say talk

483
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,799
about that primal fear like I was pretty scared.

484
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: Of course, after it walked away at ten fifteen minutes,

485
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,160
I wanted to get up and go walk across that pipe,

486
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,720
across the creek and go look.

487
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,519
Speaker 1: But I knew Bella would follow me, and if I

488
00:29:35,559 --> 00:29:39,200
didn't find it, I knew she would and I would

489
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:41,519
not want her to fight this thing. This thing was

490
00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:46,839
massive from when it's where it stood, its head had

491
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,599
to reach close to eleven feet. His body was very thick,

492
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,759
thick legs, and it looked like the sides of a

493
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:56,200
small horse, like a what they call like an Arabian

494
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,440
or they're like the smaller of the horses.

495
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: But that's still like good.

496
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,359
Speaker 1: A hundred pounds, nine hundred pounds something like that. It

497
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,160
was big, like it's its head was like the size

498
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,000
of like almost like a horsehead. It was massive and

499
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,799
those bright yellow eyes just really stuck with me. So

500
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,559
about almost two.

501
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:22,279
Speaker 2: Years later, last year, Fella, she had passed.

502
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:26,079
Speaker 1: She had gotten old, and her decline was just happened

503
00:30:26,119 --> 00:30:26,920
so fast, Like she.

504
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,359
Speaker 2: Looked still very healthy at twelve.

505
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:34,759
Speaker 1: Thirteen years old, but you know, she started getting this

506
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:38,920
this lump on her side there, and it it was

507
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:43,200
her decline was very, very rapid. Within months, she couldn't

508
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:49,599
she was so stiff, she couldn't hardly move. And I

509
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,160
I wish I was in a better position to be

510
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,200
able to afford proper veterinary care. And you know, I'll

511
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,640
always be angry at myself for her having to suffer

512
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:05,240
like she it. And one night, and I want to

513
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,839
say it was September, September, I think she had passed

514
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,240
last year, and I had taken her to this field

515
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,799
where she where we walk the dogs constantly, and it's

516
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,160
like one of the last places she had walked, you know,

517
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:24,599
in the so the free wild.

518
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: I guess.

519
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: This peaceful, and you know, I'd just love taking my

520
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:31,960
dogs for for hikes out there in the fields in

521
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,960
the woods. And so that's where I buried her, and

522
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,440
where I live and where she where she's buried is

523
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,400
maybe about a mile and a half two miles from

524
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,759
my house, and my house is maybe.

525
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Four and a half miles I guess from the creek.

526
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: And now after that sighting, I would constantly be outside,

527
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
like when if I wasn't at work, I would be

528
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,680
in the darkness, you know, standing or sitting still for

529
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,160
half hour forty five minutes, sometimes an hour at a time,

530
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,960
just listening, you know, for anything to come.

531
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: Around the house.

532
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, you know, sometimes these

533
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,599
things have a tendency of showing up.

534
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: And that's the last thing I ever wanted.

535
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this extensively with my kids, not

536
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:32,839
about this encounter, because that first one, like I didn't

537
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:33,599
even want to believe it.

538
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:39,079
Speaker 2: It just seems so like I almost a dreamlike very surreal,

539
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:44,240
and it didn't.

540
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it stuck with me, but it didn't. I

541
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,720
don't know how to describe it. But they said it

542
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,920
felt like almost like a dream. And I actually that

543
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,240
day after it left, I was like, Okay, we need

544
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,400
to get the hell out of here. And I dragged

545
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,160
all my stuff back up the creek and got everything

546
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,759
back to my vehicle, and unfortunately, sure enough, I wound

547
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,200
up getting you know, the front end of the Honda

548
00:33:11,319 --> 00:33:14,160
Pilot just sunk into the sand. And after digging and

549
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,759
digging for hours and hours and they started around, like

550
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,440
I don't know, it was close to noon when I

551
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680
had this encounter, and I didn't get that thing out

552
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,920
of there until like one o'clock in the morning, and

553
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,599
I had to have my wife come down there with

554
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,799
the other SUV and yanked out for a good long time.

555
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Was embarrassed even until her. I was stuck, you know,

556
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,799
in the sand, and like I said, I probably displaced

557
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,880
you know good, I don't know, eight eight to ten

558
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,920
square feet of sand and dirt trying to get that

559
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,839
front end, you know, dug out, and I just get

560
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,079
sunking even more in there and worrying about this thing

561
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:49,680
showing up because it's only like five hundred yards from

562
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:53,400
where we had this encounter. And also that Rally Creek

563
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,440
Greenway there, it's a trail. I walked back there a

564
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,240
bunch since then, not before that, though, but since than

565
00:34:00,319 --> 00:34:05,680
I have. And it's apparently it's pretty popular. And I

566
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,759
don't see how these things have a are able to

567
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:12,599
feed themselves on small game like that. I just there's

568
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,280
really not I mean, we're in the middle of suburban,

569
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,679
you know, neighborhoods. I live about thirty miles from Dallas,

570
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:22,960
and sure it's a little bit out there, and I'm

571
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,320
right right up next to a lake. But I just

572
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,239
don't see how anything that size can have enough food

573
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,519
out there for subsistence.

574
00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: It just it bothers my mind.

575
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: And the fact that it showed itself to me like

576
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:43,000
that's why I thought it was like psychic magnetism.

577
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: Because I was so as obsessed with it that it's like.

578
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: Oh, well, here you are, here we are, you know,

579
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,519
And that's why it felt like so much like a dream,

580
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,480
like as if as I don't know, but Bella, she

581
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:04,400
she even forget. So where I buried Bella after she

582
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,840
had passed was in the field where I'm sitting, probably

583
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,199
about about three hundred yards from where shoes buried.

584
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,079
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm not at my house.

585
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:17,639
Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit down the road closer to

586
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:22,119
where my most recent experience has happened. And they're building

587
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,159
these really big houses out here, like half a.

588
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,159
Speaker 2: Million dollar homes on these quarter.

589
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: Acre lots, and they've got about two dozen of them men,

590
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:35,440
But there's still a couple of blocks with nothing there,

591
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,000
but they've got the roads paved in, the street lights

592
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,679
and stuff. And it backs up to these past years.

593
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:49,480
And after I buried Bella lesson, maybe maybe a week

594
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,519
goes by, and I'd take my other dogs, you know,

595
00:35:53,599 --> 00:36:00,719
consistently out there every day. And well when I went

596
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,400
to where she was where I later to rest, she

597
00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:09,039
was gone. She was taken from her resting area, her

598
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,920
resting spot. And at first, you know, you think the coyotes.

599
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:16,320
And I've done my due diligence. I've looked all over

600
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,079
the place. There's there's no she wasn't dug up. There

601
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,960
wasn't a bunch of dirt all, you know, pushed aside.

602
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,679
There wasn't new Paul Prince or digging. And plus also

603
00:36:27,159 --> 00:36:30,760
coodies when they tend to scavenge on uh, you know,

604
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,119
the body of something. They were pretty messy and they

605
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,079
can kind of spread it, spread it out. And that

606
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,559
didn't happen either. I didn't see any parts of her.

607
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,199
It looked like something had reached in into the dirt

608
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,519
and pulled her out. And so most of almost all

609
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:48,280
that dirt was still sitting in the hole. Just you

610
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,599
can tell that there was a depression there, and and

611
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,599
then when I saw the depression, I started digging down

612
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:56,559
into it, and she wasn't in there. And I think

613
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,199
my son was with me, my son and my daughter

614
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,840
was from the other time, and we had looked all

615
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,400
the place around there. There's little game trails going every

616
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,039
which direction, and that I know we've got hogs out

617
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:11,519
here too, And but a hog wouldn't just pull a

618
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:15,840
corpse out of the ground. And I was so so hurt,

619
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:23,480
so angry, and so driven to get back at what

620
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,280
had taken her. And you know, to the point where

621
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,559
I'd come out every night, you know, if all the

622
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,239
nights I'm not working, I'd be out there with a

623
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:38,079
gun in this complete quiet, trying to put myself out

624
00:37:38,119 --> 00:37:40,360
there as bait for something to come in, you know,

625
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,239
whether it be a coyote or a hog or and

626
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:45,719
not gonna lie that The thought had crossed my mind

627
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,320
that maybe the dog man, because what else can reach

628
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,639
in with like hands and take something and walk off

629
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,400
with it. But at that point I was so angry

630
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,440
it didn't matter what it was, and I wanted to

631
00:37:58,679 --> 00:37:59,400
hit my pound of.

632
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,679
Speaker 2: Flesh for taking her.

633
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:08,159
Speaker 1: And I still have yet to figure out what happened

634
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:14,119
to her with my other two dogs. I've found when

635
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:18,119
we found like you know, goat skulls and a spine

636
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,000
and like a cow like a calf jaw out here,

637
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:26,800
and these developers they purchased I'm guessing like all the

638
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,079
pasture land that these cows were on, because they're just

639
00:38:30,639 --> 00:38:34,320
they're just clearing all this for all this trees and

640
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,679
just taking all the last bit of uh you know

641
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,960
what wild lands we have left to put these houses

642
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,280
on and slowly pushing us out.

643
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,039
Speaker 2: And I was so.

644
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: Obsessed with it that they said, I still come out

645
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,639
here every day twice a day, you know, earlier and

646
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,800
sort of to eight or nine around this time, and

647
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,320
I'd be back out here at three o'clock in the

648
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,480
morning give her take with the dogs, just letting them

649
00:39:08,519 --> 00:39:11,119
do their thing. I like my dogs to kind of

650
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,000
run around and do their thing, and I'm not want

651
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:19,760
to really walk around on leashes. But now for my

652
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:26,519
most recent experiences, it happened right here in the same spot,

653
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,280
not by the creek foot here where they're building these houses.

654
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:36,239
And it happened July twelfth, at one am. I know

655
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,039
that because I had taken pictures the first one I

656
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,800
even called my daughter and.

657
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: I was blown away.

658
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: Now my phone, strangely it was, it was it was

659
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,760
around like thirty three percent when I had called my

660
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,239
daughter and I was trying to you know, I was

661
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,000
telling her about it, and I told her, Okay, well,

662
00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:59,920
I want to try and get some you know, video

663
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,519
and get some pictures of it. And so we had

664
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:04,880
hung up, and I was trying to take pictures. Now

665
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,039
my flashlight which was charged and it has batteries in it,

666
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:12,440
and the flash I started flickering going on and off

667
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,519
and I had to, you know, constantly smack it for

668
00:40:15,199 --> 00:40:20,119
it to illuminate. And my phone that I saw, my

669
00:40:20,199 --> 00:40:23,119
phone was down to like two percent at the time.

670
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,360
And how it went from thirty three percent to two percent,

671
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,079
I don't know, but I'm guessing maybe it had something

672
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,400
to do with this. What I can't say conclusively was

673
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:38,039
a dog man. But what I saw was these big

674
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:40,880
eyes that were staring at me. This thing was standing

675
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,599
in a creek. It was behind some foliage. It was

676
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:47,039
about thirty five yards away from me in this creek area,

677
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:52,400
and it was like a light gray color and I

678
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,960
can see the allzle with the black black nose tip

679
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,440
and it was kept on like peeking out from behind this.

680
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:01,840
Uh it was just small. That's right right there, and

681
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,920
and and there's you can tell it was. It was obscured.

682
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:07,840
And so the pictures on that one in the I

683
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,559
got two videos like forty seven seconds and twenty seven seconds.

684
00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 2: You can't see nothing.

685
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,559
Speaker 1: And so that's when I was like, Okay, my dogs

686
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,360
were with me at the time. Now, they didn't even

687
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,159
know that this thing was there. They were kind of

688
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,480
like one of them, she's a black lap She's just

689
00:41:22,559 --> 00:41:24,800
rolling around on her back, just scratching her back in

690
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,760
the middle of this street and sky she was just

691
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:32,440
chewing on her feet, not really paying much attention. And

692
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,519
at that point we had already had our walk, and

693
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,639
so I backed up slowly and we'd gotten part thieve

694
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:45,440
and I drove to the end, which is this old

695
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,199
stop sign, which is maybe one hundred and fifty yards

696
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:53,480
from this spot, and there was this white twite. A

697
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,159
tundra had come down. Like I said, there's about two

698
00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,800
dozen houses over here that are already built, but there's

699
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,280
still plenty of spots where they have yet to build.

700
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,039
And that's where I was coming from, where there wasn't

701
00:42:04,039 --> 00:42:08,119
any homes, but thought his past year and this this

702
00:42:08,199 --> 00:42:10,760
toy a ton of like slows down, like almost comes

703
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,440
to a complete stop. And that's what drew my attention

704
00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:17,880
to the left of me, and to the left there

705
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:24,280
was this big, gigantic white dog canine creature, had a

706
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,840
really big head. It was laying down, but it was

707
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,880
staring straight at me. I've got a pretty decent picture

708
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,400
of it again conclusively. Can you say this was a

709
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,000
canine or whatever? No, but you can make out the

710
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,360
dark spots where the eyes would be and where the

711
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,360
ears were at.

712
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 2: And the tip of the nose.

713
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: I've got a pictures of the spot in the daylight,

714
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,239
and that was maybe seventy feet sixty seventy feet from

715
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,199
my vehicle, and I just sat there and I was

716
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,159
trying to take pictures of that, and which I got

717
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,199
a couple of good ones, but again my phone was

718
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:00,199
that one.

719
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,119
Speaker 2: So jammed the charger into it at the time to

720
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:04,039
try and get what I could.

721
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,119
Speaker 1: And I think I just sat there, like, I don't know,

722
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,000
for five minutes, just looking at this thing. And it

723
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,400
reminded me of have you ever seen Game of Thrones

724
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,320
and they have those dire rules. It's like one of

725
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:20,960
like like a big white one. I think that it's

726
00:43:21,039 --> 00:43:24,320
John Snow or something. I'm not sure, but it was massive,

727
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,639
a really big head at a long body. From when

728
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,119
I went back there the next day to see where

729
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,679
its body length was is the length of its body

730
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,960
had been almost seven and a half feet and it

731
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:41,599
was curled up sort of and uh and but very

732
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:45,880
strangely like these things were or just right there. And

733
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,000
I'd been out here daily, multiple times a day for

734
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:57,199
three years and to see to see this, I mean,

735
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,639
it was it was startling, and you know, I was

736
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,159
excited and again, you know, I mean that's kind of

737
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,320
creepy at the same time, and have these things staring

738
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,639
at you. Now, nothing was aggressive, didn't. I would say,

739
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:14,440
I'm very very fortunate the fact that nothing that between

740
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
these two encounters, that nothing came rushing at me, Like

741
00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,239
I couldn't imagine, Like that's to be out in the

742
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,639
woods on some mountain side by yourself, We're having these

743
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:26,880
things tapping on your window like that's terrifying.

744
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 2: I I don't know what I'd do.

745
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,159
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd probably people probably think I'm crazy. I'd

746
00:44:34,199 --> 00:44:36,599
probably did mag dump something in the face. So I

747
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,280
heard some tapping on the window.

748
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,039
Speaker 2: What good it do? I don't know. But I've been

749
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:46,039
fortunate in that since the fact that nothing is overtly

750
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,000
tried to hurt me.

751
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:52,159
Speaker 1: But the fact that Bella was taken, now that that's

752
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,599
one thing that I've been having a hard time getting over.

753
00:44:55,840 --> 00:45:02,039
And that's something I just had to swallow because I

754
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,000
was so mad, so angry. I mean, I would have

755
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,000
like an ar in my trunk and sometimes I walk

756
00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,840
around with it. Sometimes I didn't, you know, one, I

757
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,199
don't want to freak out all these new people that

758
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,599
move me in over here. I don't really care about that.

759
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:23,639
That's not even issue. Just I knew that wasn't healthy behavior.

760
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,800
And sometimes I can get like a dog on a

761
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,519
bone when I get a hold of something I don't

762
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:37,519
like to let go. And letting Bella go was hard enough.

763
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,719
And having to swallow the fact that she was taken.

764
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,719
And I thought for the longest time that maybe this

765
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:48,519
big black one that came from the from the Creek area,

766
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,000
you know, the year year and a half prior, thought

767
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,840
maybe maybe that had come and taken her for just

768
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,079
I mean, why who knows?

769
00:45:57,199 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 2: But we Why do they.

770
00:45:59,639 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: Do the thing that they do when we really can't

771
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:06,280
explain that sent dark sense of humor because it growled

772
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:07,639
at her and she didn't back down.

773
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.

774
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: Having to give up the like I haven't taken the

775
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:22,039
guns out in a while every now and I still will,

776
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:26,039
but just in case, and I'll leave it in my car,

777
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,519
you know, because there's still coyotes out here. And I

778
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:32,519
did track a really really big hog until it had

779
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:34,920
been like four hundred and fifty pounds in the depression

780
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:40,840
of It's tough. But and then I saw these July twelfth,

781
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,360
and I told my wife and I took her two

782
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,480
days later back to the same spot to show her

783
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:47,719
where it was at. And actually that was where we

784
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,199
set off fireworks in July fourth, the same exact spot.

785
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,639
And like I said, it backs up to this past year.

786
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,639
And when I was talking to her about I was

787
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:01,519
facing towards her. My back was to the vegetation area,

788
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,400
and she was facing you know, standing there looking at

789
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,119
me from sidewalk, and she said that there's something.

790
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: She started getting kind of scared. She saw something behind me, not.

791
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: Directly right behind me, but like thirty thirty maybe twenty

792
00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,320
twenty yards I guess off this from this tiny little

793
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:25,039
trickle of water, this small, really small creek, and it

794
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:29,119
was upright and it was moving from the if you're

795
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,480
looking at it from her view from right to left.

796
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,280
And I turned around and I looked. I didn't have

797
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:42,559
my flash at the time. I couldn't find it. And yeah,

798
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,960
I saw. I saw it was darker than everything else

799
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:46,760
around it. And you can tell it was standing up

800
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,199
and eventually had passed behind some trees. And she's like

801
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,719
not having it. She's like, Okay, it's time to go.

802
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:57,800
And as curious as I am, I like to push

803
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,880
the envelope and chase things and you stupid stuff.

804
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: I went ahead and decided not to test it, and

805
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:09,199
we got in the car and went home.

806
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:17,039
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, so these things they haven't been easy.

807
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,119
I still come out every single night, take my dogs

808
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:22,760
out here every night. As soon as I get off

809
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,199
of the phone here, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back

810
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,840
home and get my dogs, make sure the fed, and

811
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:28,760
come out here and.

812
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 2: Go for a good hour walk. Mm hmmm.

813
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: I want to walk back up across this little creek

814
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,920
area and up into that field and go to where

815
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:48,079
Bella's rushing spot was. We won't be for much longer. Unfortunately,

816
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:51,280
we own our double wide.

817
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,679
Speaker 2: We have perfected. So leave.

818
00:48:56,599 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 3: Oh no, you're making up again. You're breaking out here. Yeah,

819
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,519
let's see how you sound now.

820
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 2: I think I wou now.

821
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 3: Vic, Yeah, this seems better. Can you go back in

822
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,840
and read tell us what you were just starting into

823
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,360
telling us about. Sure?

824
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:26,039
Speaker 1: Sure, I was saying that after we get off the

825
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:27,480
phone here, I'm going to go home, make sure my

826
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,039
dogs are fed, and I want to come back out here,

827
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:33,719
and I want to go across the creek area over

828
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:39,039
there into this field and probably just maybe go pay

829
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:42,239
respects to Bella's resting spot. Now I know she's not

830
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:47,400
there anymore, but just we won't be around here for

831
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,280
very much longer. Unfortunately, I've loved Wiley, been here for

832
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:58,239
fifteen years. We have a mortgage on a decent double

833
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:05,920
wide home. But uh, due to unfortunate circumstances, were being evicted.

834
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: I went to the court hearing.

835
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: The judge wouldn't even let me speak, and he terrified

836
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,239
my wife so much that you know, she's so intimidated

837
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,599
she didn't even know what to say. You also dismissed

838
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,599
our our motion to continue, which basically gives you a

839
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,880
little more time to get legal counsel, and it seems

840
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:26,920
like they're fast tracking and getting us out of there.

841
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:29,440
So we're actually in the midst of packing a bunch

842
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,559
of stuff up and uh and having to.

843
00:50:32,519 --> 00:50:34,119
Speaker 2: Figure ou where we're gonna go. We're gonna take our

844
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:36,199
dogs and my kids.

845
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:43,079
Speaker 1: And you know, things have not been easy. You know, Almongst,

846
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,320
you know how to deal with all these things. And honestly,

847
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,239
it feels like the Dogman experience was easier to deal

848
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,880
with than than having to uproot our lives again and

849
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,199
start from scratch. But uh, it looks if they're not

850
00:50:57,199 --> 00:51:00,400
going to give us any choice and they don't want to. Uh,

851
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,239
and I can come up, you know, two thousand dollars

852
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,960
and you know, in a week as much as I

853
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,679
tried selling things, selling my guns, and uh, it doesn't

854
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:12,599
look like it's gonna happen.

855
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,079
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna go. We're probably gonna be gone.

856
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: We have I think the last day before they get

857
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,679
the rid of Possesion's gonna be Tuesday. So I think

858
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:27,840
tonight we're gonna go up there and go visit Vellas. Yes, well,

859
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,159
the place where I later arrest I wouldn't say her

860
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:33,400
grave anymore because she's not there, but probably just go

861
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:39,039
up there one last time before having to leave this place.

862
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:45,000
And uh, that's that's about it. I don't know what

863
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,840
else to talk about. But sometimes, like I said, life

864
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,880
can be difficult for a lot of us. And you know,

865
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,079
I've been fortunate with the dog mancounters that I've had.

866
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:01,519
They weren't they weren't threatening and doing all that crazy stuff,

867
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:05,400
thank god. But they definitely come out of nowhere for

868
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,800
some reason. And I know you've said before, you know,

869
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,320
with the amount of times we go out there in

870
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,119
the woods and I go like to go hiking. My dogs,

871
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:14,039
they used to hike all the place when I was

872
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:15,679
a kid, you know, an upstate in New York, up

873
00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,920
the mountains. I just mean, a little brother, these things

874
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:22,239
could could be all around us. I don't know if

875
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,840
it has to do with our state of mind, whether

876
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,079
or not they want, if they can read our intentions,

877
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,000
on whether or not they choose to show themselves. And

878
00:52:31,079 --> 00:52:35,159
sometimes it seems to be an opportunity for them to

879
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,159
looking for a quick meal or something, or just to

880
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:37,920
terrify someone.

881
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: I mean, again, we don't know why they do what

882
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:40,199
they do.

883
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: But sometimes life like life can be a little bit

884
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:50,119
more difficult even even even going through that, at least

885
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:50,840
for me anyways.

886
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, what else can you do?

887
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: Just stick you get back to the grindstone and just

888
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,079
keep on, just to.

889
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 2: Make your way. And uh, it's about it. Vic.

890
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:10,199
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm so sorry to hear about

891
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:15,159
Bella passing. It's never easy. But please remember it was

892
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,280
Bella's body that was taken out of that grave.

893
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't.

894
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,159
Speaker 3: Bella is in a different place now, a place where

895
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,000
she doesn't have to worry about all the problems that

896
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:27,880
we do here on earth. We're left behind. But like

897
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,119
in our conversation that we had the first time we spoke,

898
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:33,679
please remember everything I told you about that whole situation

899
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,400
and everything, and I hope that helps. And number two,

900
00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:40,000
like I told you in that conversation, also, I'm so

901
00:53:40,039 --> 00:53:43,840
sorry to hear about your housing situation there. From how

902
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:49,559
you described what's going on, it sounds like you think Sunday.

903
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,360
Did you say Sunday is when you think you're going

904
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,519
to be evicted? Or did you say Tuesday?

905
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: Now I think, oh, well, we've already went to the core.

906
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:03,280
I think Tuesday is the we had. So we did

907
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,440
a filed and appeal and they give you six days

908
00:54:06,519 --> 00:54:10,199
to uh to to come up with the the So

909
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,519
now they want a full month's rent to go to

910
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,039
the court. And like, I didn't have money the two

911
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,599
thousand dollars for the heal bond, and so they granted

912
00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:26,079
kind of like te hundred and sixty seven dollars to

913
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,719
pay to the court. So if whoever loses the or

914
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,159
Wednesday appeal they get they get that the six hundred

915
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:34,280
and sixty seven dollars, which would be like a full

916
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,719
months rent, and uh, we have until Tuesday to come

917
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,480
up with that, and but I haven't. Uh, I haven't

918
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,480
been able to come up with that with that total amount,

919
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,800
and which means the judge is probably likely just gonna

920
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,000
not even bother even looking at the peal that they're

921
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,800
going to toss it out and they're gonna award the

922
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,400
management company the writ of possession, which is going to

923
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,280
be I don't know the rules when you have a

924
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,480
mortgage on a home and you're being evicted from the

925
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:01,360
land beneath you. I don't know if there's a certain

926
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,760
amount of time you can you have to figure out

927
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,639
but I know, I'm pretty sure it's like something like

928
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:09,960
thirty days or something like that to move your house

929
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,159
and it being adulable. I mean, one, you'd have to

930
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:17,039
have a land for it to go to, and the

931
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,239
several thousand dollars to move it to the said land.

932
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,519
Speaker 2: And if I move it, you know, just stay where

933
00:55:27,519 --> 00:55:29,559
we're at without having to uproot everything.

934
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I wasn't able to come up with that money.

935
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: So unfortunately you're starting to break up again. But yeah,

936
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,159
I think I think we're able to make out enough.

937
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
You said that if you had six hundred and how

938
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,480
much dollars before Tuesday, you think you would be able

939
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:49,360
to stay this month.

940
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,559
Speaker 2: Uh well no, not to say.

941
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: That's just for them to look over the appeal, the

942
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,000
appeal that we put in after they after you got

943
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,239
viction court, you have to put in a whole month's

944
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,360
rent to the to the.

945
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: Appeal court for the judge to look over the appeal.

946
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,159
Speaker 1: In order to have a perfect appeal, you have to

947
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:11,480
put in the full months, a full month's worth of

948
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:13,760
rent for this month, which is six hundred and sixty

949
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,039
seven dollars. But we also have a mortgage and all

950
00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:21,039
that stuff too. But but yeah, no, So in order

951
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:22,960
just for them to look at the appeal and consider it,

952
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:25,320
we'd have to pay six hundred and sixty seven dollars

953
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,800
and uh and that's and we can still lose it

954
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,199
at that point too, but you know.

955
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:34,599
Speaker 2: We tried, so we bat till tuesday.

956
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: If you were able to get past that hurdle and

957
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:42,960
pay for the appeal to actually go through, what do

958
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,639
you think of the odds that next month, the month

959
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,079
after that, you'd be able to retain your property.

960
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,679
Speaker 1: Well, if we were granted the appeal then and like

961
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,920
we're we finally got a hold of some legal counsel.

962
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,800
This you know, an advocate Eviction Advocacy Center, which is

963
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,480
a team of lawyers that try and help people in

964
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,400
that position and turns out ninety percent of eviction cases

965
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:12,119
where people the tenants have a lawyer, they win their case,

966
00:57:12,519 --> 00:57:16,280
and in cases where they don't, almost ninety almost every

967
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,840
case that where people don't have a lawyer, they lose.

968
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,480
But if we were given the appeal, there might be

969
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:25,960
an opportunity for them to.

970
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: Because the whole basis our defense was the fact that

971
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,719
the the.

972
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: The proper notify notification to us about the eviction, which

973
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:38,360
we didn't get, but they claim that did and we

974
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,840
never got anything. And the fact that the judge dismissed

975
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,800
our motion to continue to give us more time to

976
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,920
find lee counsel, and he dismissed that and he would

977
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,880
allow us to to find to have more time to

978
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,960
get it, to find someone, you know, to learn, you know,

979
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,840
at least.

980
00:57:53,199 --> 00:57:56,599
Speaker 2: Court procedures, like they hold you to these procedures.

981
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 1: Where like you have to be your own lawyer and

982
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,239
you have to conductor you yourself as much, meaning like

983
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,519
you have to say certain things and in order to

984
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:05,960
even be heard.

985
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:07,559
Speaker 2: And that I was.

986
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: I looked up, you know, I studied as much as

987
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,320
I could, knowing that we didn't have time for a counsel.

988
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: So I thought I was our best shot.

989
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: And the judge silenced me and said I'd be held

990
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,280
an contempt if I continue to try and speak. So

991
00:58:19,679 --> 00:58:22,679
he put it on my wife and she was, like

992
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,559
I said, so intimidated. She didn't even know what to

993
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:28,199
say and how to question with him, you know. The

994
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:33,000
management and and the judge really basically just kind of

995
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:37,320
like a just shackled me and just pushed it on

996
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,639
through and awarded the eviction to the management and said

997
00:58:41,679 --> 00:58:44,960
we've got time to appeal, and we have to pay

998
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:46,320
X amount of money for the appeal.

999
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: And the appeal just gives us.

1000
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: An opportunity for someone to flint to look over and

1001
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,639
say say whether or not like we got an a

1002
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:56,440
fair shot or if we're given an opportunity for a.

1003
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: Jury, So what's the probability. I don't know. I mean,

1004
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,840
it's better than better than what we have now.

1005
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: But and if we can get you know, a lawyer

1006
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:13,639
to advocate for us on our behalf, then things are

1007
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:15,239
looking a whole lot better than what they were. But

1008
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:18,960
if I had the money just to pay them off

1009
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,840
to the management company, and that's where I would have

1010
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,639
done it, you know, but we won't give enough time

1011
00:59:24,679 --> 00:59:26,679
to do so.

1012
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,559
Speaker 3: I'm going to put this as eloquently as possible. That

1013
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:33,119
judge sounds like a piece of crap to me. And

1014
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:35,679
if there ever was a judge who suffers from black

1015
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,639
robe disease, that judge would definitely be it, because that's

1016
00:59:39,679 --> 00:59:42,800
just ridiculous how he's been acting, how he has been

1017
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:47,039
treating you, that is just ridiculous. If I were to

1018
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:49,960
create a good Fundme page for you tonight, before I

1019
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:52,840
went to bed, so we could try to raise seven

1020
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:56,039
hundred dollars for you, so you could push through that appeal.

1021
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,639
How would that sound would that be.

1022
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:00,639
Speaker 2: To you?

1023
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even begin I wouldn't even know I would

1024
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:07,480
I'd beat.

1025
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,119
Speaker 2: A tears like that.

1026
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: I'd be totally, eternally grateful. I don't want to make

1027
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:22,480
my burden anyone else's problem, either, but I appreciate that

1028
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,039
that's that's very generous to you.

1029
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,639
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the least I can do. If I'm in

1030
01:00:27,679 --> 01:00:29,679
a position to be able to help someone in need,

1031
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,840
then no, it's my duty to do that. And I

1032
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,320
just feel so lucky, so blessed to be in a

1033
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,559
position to be able to help.

1034
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: Now.

1035
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,639
Speaker 3: I can't guarantee that we'd be able to raise that

1036
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:43,440
seven hundred before in such short time before Tuesday, But

1037
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,320
the least I can do is to create that GoFundMe

1038
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,599
page so we can try, we can do the best

1039
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:52,280
we can to meet that goal. I mean, that judge,

1040
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:54,719
he's put you in a tight spot that you never

1041
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,840
should have been put into, and for him to act

1042
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,360
all high and mighty the way he is and the

1043
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:04,239
way so many judges do, Unfortunately, that's just deplorable. You

1044
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,559
shouldn't be you shouldn't be subject to treatment like that.

1045
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:12,360
It really is a shame. It's awful and says everything

1046
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,679
that you need to know about a ridiculous judicial system.

1047
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,000
What a joke. But, like I said, rest issured, before

1048
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,519
I go to bed tonight, i'll have that, and I'll

1049
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,079
need to work with you to get some pertinent information

1050
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,320
from you to create that GoFundMe page. But yeah, before

1051
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:31,159
I go to bed tonight and it's been a long day,

1052
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:34,400
but before I go to bed tonight, I will create

1053
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,679
that go fundme page, so anyone listening who wants to

1054
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:40,760
be able to help Patrick meet that goal of seven

1055
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,039
hundred dollars so he can push that appeal through. Yeah,

1056
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:48,079
if you go to Dogmanencounters dot com on the homepage

1057
01:01:48,159 --> 01:01:49,960
right at the top, you're going to find a link

1058
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,880
that I'm going to post for that go fundme page,

1059
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,079
And also check the description for tonight's show. After I've

1060
01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:00,840
created that GoFundMe page before I go to bed, I'll

1061
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,440
be sure to post that link for the good fund

1062
01:02:03,519 --> 01:02:06,880
me in the description for tonight's show. Also, that'll make

1063
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,719
it really easy for you to find it if you

1064
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,159
want to help contribute to help Patrick through this mess.

1065
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:13,559
What a mess.

1066
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,199
Speaker 2: I appreciate that very much. Vic.

1067
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: You know, the way they made this new law that

1068
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:24,199
they passed, they made much more difficult and much easier

1069
01:02:24,239 --> 01:02:27,320
for you know, landlords to get people out of the

1070
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,800
house and to keep from extending the you know, their

1071
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,559
time there. And it's difficult being it's not like we're

1072
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:35,719
being vicking from apartment.

1073
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 2: We have a mortgage on this house.

1074
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,079
Speaker 1: And UH, with the amount of time that they'll give us,

1075
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:42,679
which from what I've looked up, there won't be enough

1076
01:02:42,679 --> 01:02:44,679
time to come up enough money to find a place

1077
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:49,719
of land and UH a higher company to you know,

1078
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,960
ship my house. They'll have to take it literally apart

1079
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,639
in two pieces and haul it off, which is costs

1080
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,199
thousands and thousands of dollars. And UH, I don't I

1081
01:02:58,199 --> 01:02:59,599
really don't know what my options are at this point,

1082
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:02,280
but hopefull that we can get a hold of the UH.

1083
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:05,599
I've gotten some emails back from the Avoca Avocation Center.

1084
01:03:05,639 --> 01:03:09,440
I haven't spoken to them yet, but hopefully hopefully we

1085
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,119
can you know, put rally caps on and come through.

1086
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:15,559
But one thing I was saying, you know, I remind

1087
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:17,840
my kids and you know, and a lot of things

1088
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,079
I've gone through my life have been tough. I've always said,

1089
01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,400
no matter what happens, you know, we'll be okay. So

1090
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,440
that goes through everyone else out there too. Just always

1091
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,639
remember that no matter what happens, you'll be all right.

1092
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,559
Speaker 3: I like the way you think, and you're right. You

1093
01:03:31,599 --> 01:03:34,360
will be all right, you really will. I think I've

1094
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,239
got this feeling. I think we're going to be able

1095
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:37,880
to do it. I think we will be able to

1096
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,719
have that seven hundred dollars to you by Tuesday. Now,

1097
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,519
please make sure you're available. I'm probably going to need

1098
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:47,000
to send several text messages to you tonight. It might

1099
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:49,039
be kind of late too, as I'm going through the

1100
01:03:49,079 --> 01:03:51,079
process of setting it up. There are things I have

1101
01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:54,079
to do before I can start working on that go

1102
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:58,039
fundme page tonight. But yeah, please do remain available for

1103
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:01,920
those text messages so I can get it totally ready

1104
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,320
to go and end up and running tonight.

1105
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 2: So I'll be up.

1106
01:04:07,519 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: I saw my middle of the night walk with my dogs,

1107
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,880
so I gotta do so I'll be up for some time.

1108
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 3: Okay, good, that's really good. Well, Patrick, it is a

1109
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,679
little over an hour in I've got tons of questions

1110
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:23,920
to ask, and I know the listeners in the live chat,

1111
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,920
they've got tons of questions they want me to ask

1112
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,199
you too. So I think here is where we're gonna

1113
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,880
call it quits for tonight's show, just making sure are

1114
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,719
you still up for coming back for a part too,

1115
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,320
so you can answer all these questions, and of course

1116
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:40,679
we can talk about that goal, that seven hundred dollars

1117
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:41,400
goal as well.

1118
01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: Certainly, of course i'll even if again I'm not gonna

1119
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,679
hold my breath, but even regardless of that, I'll be back.

1120
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,719
But I'll definitely i'll be back thick for sure.

1121
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,679
Speaker 3: Well that's great, Yeah, that's really good. Well, yeah, i'll.

1122
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,119
Speaker 2: Just do that.

1123
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,679
Speaker 3: I will do the things I just mentioned. And yeah,

1124
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:03,239
as long as you're o key with coming back for

1125
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,719
that part too, I'll get with you to schedule that

1126
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,599
follow up show. I don't know when it's going to

1127
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:10,920
be right now, but we'll put our heads together and

1128
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,920
get that all hashed out. But yeah, in the meantime,

1129
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:17,760
everyone listening, Yeah, if you can help to contribute to

1130
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:21,519
this cause to help Patrick out, it would be most appreciated.

1131
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,280
Like I said, you'll be able to find a link

1132
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,320
to that GoFundMe page in the description for tonight's show

1133
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,480
after I create it late tonight. And also I'll post

1134
01:05:30,519 --> 01:05:34,199
a link for it on Dogmancounters dot Com right on

1135
01:05:34,239 --> 01:05:38,679
the homepage right near the top. So yeah, I can't

1136
01:05:38,679 --> 01:05:41,320
thank you enough for listening. I can't thank you enough

1137
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,360
for any help you can give. Patrick. We really do

1138
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,199
appreciate it, We really do. But having said that, before

1139
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:49,840
we get out of here, Patrick, do you have any

1140
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,920
clothing comments you want to put out there for us?

1141
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,599
Speaker 1: Well, one, I would say to anyone who says that

1142
01:05:57,639 --> 01:05:59,679
they really really want to see a dog man and

1143
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:06,679
they kind of get obsessed over it sometimes times, and

1144
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:12,559
it's not it's really not something you really wanted, you

1145
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:14,840
find out that you shouldn't have been wishing for that,

1146
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:19,840
so he'll be careful what you wish for. And two,

1147
01:06:21,639 --> 01:06:28,079
just remember when our hard life down, were starting it

1148
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:31,239
back up and letting out again.

1149
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: There, Okay, can you hear me, you're breaking up?

1150
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:35,719
Speaker 2: Fine?

1151
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,199
Speaker 3: Okay, good, you were breaking up. They're really bad. When

1152
01:06:39,199 --> 01:06:42,639
you started to share that second point, can you share

1153
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:43,400
it with us again?

1154
01:06:44,679 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: Sure?

1155
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,079
Speaker 1: I was saying that no matter how how hard life

1156
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,639
may kick you, when you're down and how difficult things

1157
01:06:51,639 --> 01:06:54,760
seem and all the pressures and responsibilities we have on

1158
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:58,480
our shoulders that no matter what you know, just remember

1159
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:02,519
that you'll be okay and and just you'll never give up.

1160
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,119
Speaker 2: And just that's about it.

1161
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:11,119
Speaker 3: Very wise words, very wise words. Like I told you,

1162
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:15,000
I really do love the way you think and know that. Yeah,

1163
01:07:15,039 --> 01:07:17,079
we'll be working behind the scenes to get that go

1164
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:20,000
fund me up and ready to go. And like I said,

1165
01:07:20,039 --> 01:07:23,440
everyone listening, thanks, It's always so much for listening and

1166
01:07:23,519 --> 01:07:25,880
any support you can give Patrick to help him out

1167
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:28,920
of a very tight spot that he really shouldn't have

1168
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,880
to deal with. But if you've had a dogman accounter

1169
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,840
that you need help with, or if you'd like to

1170
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,400
be a guest on the show to come on to

1171
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:41,599
share that experience with the listeners, please go to dogmandcounters

1172
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:44,199
dot com submit a report and if you do that,

1173
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,920
then I'll contact you to schedule a phone consultation and

1174
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,719
we'll take it from there. But having said that, thanks

1175
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,159
again so much for coming on, Patrick, and like I said,

1176
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:57,199
we'll put our heads together to schedule that follow up show.

1177
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,719
Appreciate it big, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much,

1178
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,159
and I'll talk to you tonight.