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Dogmenencounters dot com Forward slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another livestream episode of Dogman
Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you listening. Tonight's guest says that
as long as he can remember, he's had paranormal experiences,
and most of the paranormal entities and beings that he's
experienced encounters with. Unfortunately, it seemed like they were doing
all they could just mortify him to within an inch
of his life. Can you imagine. I mean, being a
kid is difficult enough, imagine having to deal with that
as well. Yeah, I'd rather not even imagine that. Well, nonetheless,
without any further ado, let's bring him in here now. Patrick,
thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Hey, they're vic. Hey, their dog family, how's ever doing well?
Speaker 3: Just you know, they're not a dog family, their dog miniacs.
Speaker 2: There you go, there you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, please give us a brief bio on yourself. Patrick.
Speaker 1: Sure, my name is Patrick. I'm from New York. It's
going to raise there. I've lived most of my life
now in Texas. I'm glad to be here. I'm thirty nine.
We've got three kids of my own and doing them
all out my wife. We've helped raise is four or
five other kids into productive you know, young adults, and
uh just live out here in Wiley, Texas and try
and enjoy life as much as we can. And amongst
all the stress that we all have to deal with.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's unfortunate you have to deal with all that stress.
And like I touched on just a moment ago, in
addition to all the stress that normal life tends to
bring you, you have to deal with the stress that
having all these other experiences with the pure normal and
the dog men brings to your life. It just doesn't fear,
is it.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: But that's almost sometimes that my life can be. Sometimes
that's almost like the easy part. But and learning how
to function is still do our daily routine and be
a parent and effective as uh I can pose a
difficulty at times.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, definitely can. But the fact you're still going
and doing what you need to do. This is a
lot about your character because a lot of people wouldn't
be able to continue on and everything the what you have,
So I'm impressed. Now, just a moment ago there, Patrick,
I touched on the fact that you've had all these
experiences with the pirananormal for I guess, stretching back as
long as you can remember, what was the earliest paranormal
experience that you can remember having.
Speaker 1: Well, but the earliest paranormal experience I can remember having
would be from the day that my grandfather passed away. Well,
I was with him when he died, but a couple
of weeks later, my grandmother she doing laundry and she
comes and sees me at the back porch and she
asked me who I was talking to.
Speaker 2: And I was just talking to my grandfather.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know it at the time, but I
was talking to his spirit at the time. But and
surely after my experience with him left me, I guess
that's when I started having to deal with all the
other things that deided to come into my life and
show themselves to me.
Speaker 3: Well, like I told you, I'm so sorry you have
to deal with those things that unfortunately decided to come
into your life. It just doesn't fear like as said now,
you describe yourself as being a sensitive. Do you see
it as being a curse that you're sensitive to pure
normal things, or do you see it as being a
good thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I see it to be a good thing overall.
I mean it helps you, you know, when it comes
to judgment of character of other people, like you can
just sense and immediately people's intentions.
Speaker 2: And also it.
Speaker 1: Helps helps when I'm trying to help people, like when
I know that they're going through something, and I've helped
complete strangers that are going through terrible crisis and that
would you would have no clue on the surface that
they're having such terrible.
Speaker 2: Issues, and you can just kind of feel it.
Speaker 1: And that's led me to all kinds of places, just
kind of feeling where I'm supposed to be. And I've
done some really good things for people, and some of
which my kids were there to witness, like helping this
girl who was attempted kidnapping and I got her away
from this person and got her back home. So I
always say, just kind of go with your gut, and
you know, just it'll tell you where you should be.
And sometimes you think you're going down to the wrong place,
but he turns out to be the right place. At
the right time, And even if it's not convenient for me,
I'm in the right place to help somebody.
Speaker 3: You're a good man for helping all these people. Yeah,
this says a lot about your character. Of course. I'm
impressed now considering the fact you've had all these pure
normal experiences. I'd be kind of remiss if I didn't
ask you. At any time in your life, have you
ever played with a weedgi board?
Speaker 2: No? Never.
Speaker 1: I will never mess with anything like that. I don't
want nothing to do with it. I don't want to
play with any of the dark arts. I mean, whether
they're I mean, I couldn't tell you if the real
or not, but I just I'd rather just not mess
with it. And for a period of time, actually, when
I was really going through like the spiritual awakening, I
was looking into spiritual warfare and I had a female dog,
this little roddy, that I had rescued probably like a
month prior. And the day after I gave my testimony
and I was saved, you know, and you know where
you put that, basically whose side you stand on, God
or the others? And the very next day she was
she was struck and killed, and it felt like it
was almost like a message. But yeah, now it's being
as sensitive is it can be very helpful for others.
Speaker 2: And but it kind of keeps you in uh.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, always aware of what's going
of things aren't going on around you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as you know, a lot of things are going
on around us in day to day life that most
people don't even know about. So yeah, maybe that is
an advantage, the fact that you know about them. But
I guess it can also be in some ways occurs,
or at least seem to be that way.
Speaker 1: So especially they know that you know about them, that's
when things can get bad.
Speaker 3: Well, I believe it. And of course I'm so sorry
to hear about you losing your dog like that.
Speaker 2: That's awful. Yeah, yeah, it was really sad.
Speaker 1: I came home from work and didn't even get up,
didn't go in the house. I just went straight to
picked her up and I buried her in the yard
at this night and it was cold and rainy, and
I didn't go inside the house until she.
Speaker 2: Was she was put to rest. That was years ago.
Speaker 1: That wasn't my dog, Bellow, But yeah, I know that,
Like I said, sometimes when things know that you're away
where they try and make their presence all that more
into your life too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, that's just not fear. And wow,
I'm so sorry that happened. I really am. Well, Patrick,
You've got a lot to share with us tonight, so
please tell us all about your encounters. Now, give us
ever last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: So the very first time ever encountered anything, it was
after my grandfather passed away and I spoke spoken with him,
and on that note, strangely enough, my aunt when I
was on my eighteenth birthday, I was on the phone
with her really late one night, and she had told me.
She asked me if I remember that day that my
grandfather died, because I lived with them when I was
little and I only remember trying to wake them up.
But she said, do you remember what you said to
me that day? I said no, and she filled me
in that I basically told her, well that Grandpa was gonna,
I guess, pass away or die. I don't know what
words it was put in, but she said that she
had gotten the feeling that I told her that he
was gonna pass and but everything was gonna be okay.
It sounds very strange, and again I had no clue.
I found this out on my eighteenth birthday, but shortly
after my grandfather passed. I was a very sad and
lonely little boy, and uh it was crushed, you know.
He was like my first dad. And I remember when
I was four, was like about four, and I my
very first dream, my first nightmare, I was running through
a I was running across his wooden floor, and I
can remember seeing my.
Speaker 2: Little feet flooding across the floor.
Speaker 1: And to the right of me there's this window and
it's it's open, and it has this white frame around
the window, and it has these very this, this very
thin see through, very ornate curtains and they're billowing in
the wind. There was a storm going on outside and
it was raining and thundering and lightning. And to the
left of me was these iron framed beds with light
with these white linens. And behind me, I'm running from
this monster, and I remember looking over my shoulder and
seeing these big red glowing eyes like the coal embers,
and it's glaring at me and I'm just running as
hard as I can, and it's just like window window
window bed bed, bed bed bed and I can just
hear my feet thudding across the floor, and every time
I look back to see if I'm getting ahead of
this thing, it kept on gaining ground and it would
start snapping at me. And that's the first time I
ever seen something as terrifying as that. And it had
a muddle and a mouthful of teeth.
Speaker 2: It was dark.
Speaker 1: I couldn't really see its body shape, but I can
see the head. There were time I look back and
snap at me, and it felt like I was never
gonna get to the end of the hall, end of
the hall, and I had woken up to that, and
I woke up in tears. And I mean, how do
you describe that to somebody when you're that age?
Speaker 2: You really can't.
Speaker 1: And uh So, reflecting upon that, I think, uh, it's
strange to say, But you know, I don't know how
we know these things when we're so young, and to
see things that we've never seen before that we know
of anyways.
Speaker 2: But I grew up in a.
Speaker 1: Trailer and I don't ever recall and my memory is
very clear, vivid, even even when I was two, I
can remember, So I don't recall being on wooden floors
like that, not like those those hollow wooden floors, like
you know, when you're walking around upstairs an old wooden house,
or seeing no bed frames or windows sills like that.
I think, reflecting on it, I think what that was
is a metaphor of an orphanage. My mom she couldn't
take care of me when she was little, and she's
gonna give me up. And I don't hold any resentment
for it. She had already lost custody with my sister
at the time, and and I think that might have
been an orphanage. And I'm not sure what the dog
man thing werewolf or whatever represented, but I just know
it was terrifying and it was chasing me. And yeah,
so that was my first time experiencing that, and and
more paranormal stuff came after that, but we're gonna stick
to the dog man stuff. But so growing up being
sensitive to things, you know, you always kind of feel
things when they're around. Now, at first, probably starting like
four and a half five years ago, I started getting
into podcasts and I was a cook at the time,
and I just I don't really care for the radio
too much, and I was tired of listening to the cowboys,
and because that's too just too emotional, too stressful, And
so I started listening to stuff about bigfoot and whatnot.
And I was listening to Sasquatch Chronicles and I was
just obsessed listening to it.
Speaker 2: And I came across an episode where it was a
what is it? I'm sorry, what is that? A?
Speaker 1: It was it like a wildlife biologist encounters dog man,
and that that was new to me, and so I
listened to it, and he described how this predator was
stalking his land. He couldn't quite see it, and you
just see it in the underbrush, and somehow it moved
all the way across to in front of him, towards
about thirty feet, and it.
Speaker 2: Stood up and.
Speaker 1: It looked like it was gonna charge, and he fired
three rounds into it of forty five and it took
the shots and and eventually took off. And that was
the first time I ever heard of a dog man,
and so I started looking at dog man, and I
came across your show, Vic, and the first few episodes
I listened to, I really honestly I thought it was fake.
I thought it was like just entertainment and people are
reading off scripts because there's no way that something like
that could be real. I mean, to wrap your mind
around something like that bigfoot sure humanoid eight thing, you know,
I guess that kind of makes more sense. And plus
we've been hearing about it for a lot longer, and
dog Man was this whole new phenomenon. And so I
started listening to a few the episodes, and again, like
I said, I thought it was fake. And the more
and more I listened, the more you I mean, you
can tell when people are being truthful. You can hear
the emotion in their voice, and you can hear the fear.
And I was just I became, you know, engulfed into that.
And I'd listened to it on the way to work.
I have it in my EarPods, you know, while I'm
at work, and I listened to it on the way home.
I listened to it when I go to bed, and
I remember I even was like, you know, just like
a lot of people, you know, wanting to see one.
And I remember I had a message Vic on Facebook
and talked, you know, I was talking about wanting to
see one, and he was like, no, you really don't,
you know, searching those guys out aren't isn't It's it's
not all cracked up, and it's not a not a
great experience.
Speaker 2: And well I discovered that he was right now.
Speaker 1: And this is probably about maybe a year or so.
Maybe you give her take listening to these episodes. It
was I remember it was uh probably was it.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two, I think, or twenty twenty three, I'm
not sure.
Speaker 1: But I decided I found a kayak and I was
going to go kayaking down this creek right here. It's
called Ralet Creek. It's located here in Texas by uh
in between Garland and Saxony and Wiley. That has a
whole green belt right there, and the creek's very nice.
I go, I go fishing there all. I went fishing
there all the time, and I take my dog bellowed
everywhere I went. She went, so, uh, I was going
to go kayaking, and it's relatively shallow in some spots,
and there's you know, I could that wouldn't matter where
I'd go. She trying to follow me anyway, So I
took her with me. I had a bit too much
stuff with me at the time, just big old bag.
That's kind of you know, just trial it error, And well,
I'm going down the creek and it's right there, probably
like four to five hundred yards past what it's called
the Garling gun Range. So you can look it up
on a map and look at the satellite. You can
see the creek right there past the gun range. And
then there's these pipes that go across the creek. And
there was a build up of logs there, and so
I couldn't just freely, you know, go with my kayak
and and Bella she's trotting right alongside me.
Speaker 2: I'm not going very fast.
Speaker 1: I mean, anyone who's been kayaking, you know, you're not
speeding through the water or anything. So she was right
there along my left hand side, of my left flank,
and so I stopped there, and I was gonna pull
my kayak over the some of the debris there.
Speaker 2: And keep on going.
Speaker 1: Well, at that time, as I had just gotten over
the debris, I hadn't pull my kayak over there just yet.
I was just checking out, you know, the ground, and
make sure that it's navigable and give Bello a break.
And I heard a growl, and not only did I
hear it, but I felt it. It was like a rumbling,
like a It's very quick on, maybe two seconds, give
or take, and I felt it in my chest.
Speaker 2: Now I'm in the creek bottom and each side is
probably about take.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty five feet up to ground level, and I
wasn't sure which direction it came from. Now I know
that there, I've seen Bobcat, and I've seen a mountain lion,
and I've got video footage of a mountain lion coming
across his burnt bridge one day when me and Bellow
we're going to go fishing, and so I knew there
was a big cat in the area, and but I
just wanted to go investigate anyways, And so I climb
up there on the left hand side, the side closest
to me, and I looked around for about five ten minutes,
and Bella sniffed and didn't really get get anything. So
I decided that perhaps maybe I should just sit right
there and this fish for a little while, because there's
a good fishing hole of its right there. I've seen
these guys pull up a bunch of catfish from there,
so I decided to do that. I was fishing there,
I don't know, fifteen minutes or so after this all
already happened, and my kayaks kind of like pulled up
there on the shore, and Bella she starts to growl.
Now I'm really in a line and Bella, I hear her.
She's on my right hand side, sitting and she's she
looks up across to the left to our ten o'clock
and she's growling. She's got a low growl. She now,
bell she never really barked. She wasn't allowed or anything
like that. She's the type of dog that you'll find
out there's a dog in the house when once you
get in, get through the door, and then you'll be,
you know, wishing he never came in. So she sh
had this low growl and her hackers were raised. And
I'm looking up there and I don't see anything, so well,
maybe that that cat.
Speaker 2: You know, this is around somewhere.
Speaker 1: As again, I saw this last when I saw this, uh,
this cougar, it was during the daytime and typically they
usually do their thing, you know, during the night. But
I thought maybe it was that that guy because it
was it was.
Speaker 2: A young adolescent.
Speaker 1: And but you know, I'm still looking nothing, nothing, and uh,
and I can I can hear her just growing intensity,
and I tell her to knock it off to quit,
and she's so she sits and she quiets down and
settles down, but she still got her eyes glued. And
I look up there and now across from me diagonally
again to my ten o'clock ten to nine ten o'clock
position up there on ground level, probably again about twenty
five thirty feet up, and this creek is maybe twenty
five feet across, so maybe sixteen ish feet.
Speaker 2: Directly in my line of sight. I saw black it's
for back of something, and.
Speaker 1: You can see the shoulder blades just lifting as it moves,
and I see the head he sell the front blazes,
and then it steps out.
Speaker 3: Oh no, can you hear me? If you can, you're
breaking up.
Speaker 2: You're fine.
Speaker 3: You're in the same spot. You're parked in the same
spot we.
Speaker 2: Begin this in. Is that right? Yes, sir, that's strange.
Speaker 3: Well, you're better now, So I apologize about interrupting. Please
continue in hopefully the signal will cooperate.
Speaker 2: You got it.
Speaker 1: So where I leave off, I saw this black haired
creature and I saw its shoulder blades. Walking into the
clearing was this large dog figure.
Speaker 2: I saw its head.
Speaker 1: Its head was lowered down towards the ground. It wasn't
quite looking at me. It's head was moving side to side,
but it was massive. It's really huge, I'd have to say.
To its shoulder blade had it been almost five feet,
I mean, and that's massive. And from the neck, from
the base of the neck to the hind quarters I'm
guessing was maybe seven six and a half seven feet.
But then it had a probably a three foot long tail,
and its front legs were longer than the back, and
it had a I mean.
Speaker 2: It really big had I mean, the body was huge.
Speaker 1: It's very thick, and it reaches with its left its
left leg and a paw hand whatever I mean. I
wasn't expecting that. But it grabbed a hold of this
tree and it stood itself up and it faced me directly.
And it didn't have that much fur on the bottom
on it, like on the chest and the underside. It's
kind of like a grayish like a dark grayish colored skin.
The and it looked like it had like almost the
combination of a rib cage like a dog has its
kind of curved but also had pecs like a human
being like and you can see the muscles beneath the fur.
Speaker 2: Now the fur itself was this glossy black like and looked.
Speaker 1: Very clean, probably three and a half four inches long,
or the entire body except around the neck area.
Speaker 2: It seemed to like have almost like a mane where
it's thicker.
Speaker 1: It uh and it was like this beautiful jet black, shiny,
and it looked like a dog had just had a
had a bath, almost very clean, and these bright yellow
eyes like the size of lemons. And why what confused
me is the fact that it showed itself to me,
And I don't understand why it didn't make It wasn't aggressive,
it didn't it didn't growl or didn't make any really
any noise, except that it did yawn like kind of
like a dog does, like when it stretches, like it
put its its its arm up onto the tree, and
it kind of looked like it was stretching his back
some and it opened his mouth and it yawned, and
it turned his mouth towards me. And as it was yawning,
and it had looked like it had like nothing but
canines in his whole mouth. Its tongue was kind of
hanging out lazily like a dog. But it was just
sitting there staring and Bella she was. She was not
happy about it. She she had a low growl in
her throat, and I was startled. I'm still sitting there,
really in a poll, and I guess my my hook
had gotten caught up on something. And I'm standing there
wearing these stupid crocs on wet clay and there's no grip,
and I wound up slipping and I fall right on
my butt and it snapped its like it's head right
back back to me, and it just stared through me.
Now I didn't get I got a sense that it
wasn't there to hurt me, but there was definitely that
feeling that like basically to not test it, I mean,
because I'll find out if it would kind of I
didn't know what to say. Bella's she she was growling
and it would it would glare at her, and she didn't.
She didn't whind she you know, sometimes I've heard where
the dogs seemed to, you know, get scared or kind
of like passive, like become passive to it, and but
she didn't do any of that.
Speaker 2: She she looked like she was ready for a fight.
Speaker 1: You can tell that she was wanting to to spring,
but she she she listens to me very well, and
she wouldn't leave my side, and.
Speaker 2: I know she'd fight for the death, to the death
for me, of course.
Speaker 1: And we've had run ins with coyotes before where me
and her both had to dispatch coyotes. But uh, she
she obviously was not She wasn't impressed. I'm guessing I
don't know, but I was blown away and that happened.
It took maybe three minutes, three to four minutes, I guess,
give or take for that encounter, which is relatively long
from what it sounds like, and it eventually it just
sauntered away, It turned and walked off. Now what's terrifying
is like after that, I'd become very hyper vigilant because,
like one, there's a woman that like that. The year before,
there's a woman that had went missing down there, and
someone a fisherman I believe it was probably during the
Sand Bass run February March. They had found a limb
and she was identified by DNA and there was there
wasn't a complete skeleton.
Speaker 2: It was just a part or did it have anything
to do with it. I don't know what it was
doing there. I don't know either.
Speaker 1: At the time, I was very much into I don't
really want to see a dog man like I would
to talk about with some people and message and and.
Speaker 2: I really wanted to go see these things.
Speaker 1: And the fact that that was benign, I couldn't imagine
if it was in a threatening posture, and that would
be more than terrifying, you know, people would say talk
about that primal fear like I was pretty scared.
Speaker 2: Of course, after it walked away at ten fifteen minutes,
I wanted to get up and go walk across that pipe,
across the creek and go look.
Speaker 1: But I knew Bella would follow me, and if I
didn't find it, I knew she would and I would
not want her to fight this thing. This thing was
massive from when it's where it stood, its head had
to reach close to eleven feet. His body was very thick,
thick legs, and it looked like the sides of a
small horse, like a what they call like an Arabian
or they're like the smaller of the horses.
Speaker 2: But that's still like good.
Speaker 1: A hundred pounds, nine hundred pounds something like that. It
was big, like it's its head was like the size
of like almost like a horsehead. It was massive and
those bright yellow eyes just really stuck with me. So
about almost two.
Speaker 2: Years later, last year, Fella, she had passed.
Speaker 1: She had gotten old, and her decline was just happened
so fast, Like she.
Speaker 2: Looked still very healthy at twelve.
Speaker 1: Thirteen years old, but you know, she started getting this
this lump on her side there, and it it was
her decline was very, very rapid. Within months, she couldn't
she was so stiff, she couldn't hardly move. And I
I wish I was in a better position to be
able to afford proper veterinary care. And you know, I'll
always be angry at myself for her having to suffer
like she it. And one night, and I want to
say it was September, September, I think she had passed
last year, and I had taken her to this field
where she where we walk the dogs constantly, and it's
like one of the last places she had walked, you know,
in the so the free wild.
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 1: This peaceful, and you know, I'd just love taking my
dogs for for hikes out there in the fields in
the woods. And so that's where I buried her, and
where I live and where she where she's buried is
maybe about a mile and a half two miles from
my house, and my house is maybe.
Speaker 2: Four and a half miles I guess from the creek.
Speaker 1: And now after that sighting, I would constantly be outside,
like when if I wasn't at work, I would be
in the darkness, you know, standing or sitting still for
half hour forty five minutes, sometimes an hour at a time,
just listening, you know, for anything to come.
Speaker 2: Around the house.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know, you know, sometimes these
things have a tendency of showing up.
Speaker 2: And that's the last thing I ever wanted.
Speaker 1: And I've talked about this extensively with my kids, not
about this encounter, because that first one, like I didn't
even want to believe it.
Speaker 2: It just seems so like I almost a dreamlike very surreal,
and it didn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it stuck with me, but it didn't. I
don't know how to describe it. But they said it
felt like almost like a dream. And I actually that
day after it left, I was like, Okay, we need
to get the hell out of here. And I dragged
all my stuff back up the creek and got everything
back to my vehicle, and unfortunately, sure enough, I wound
up getting you know, the front end of the Honda
Pilot just sunk into the sand. And after digging and
digging for hours and hours and they started around, like
I don't know, it was close to noon when I
had this encounter, and I didn't get that thing out
of there until like one o'clock in the morning, and
I had to have my wife come down there with
the other SUV and yanked out for a good long time.
Was embarrassed even until her. I was stuck, you know,
in the sand, and like I said, I probably displaced
you know good, I don't know, eight eight to ten
square feet of sand and dirt trying to get that
front end, you know, dug out, and I just get
sunking even more in there and worrying about this thing
showing up because it's only like five hundred yards from
where we had this encounter. And also that Rally Creek
Greenway there, it's a trail. I walked back there a
bunch since then, not before that, though, but since than
I have. And it's apparently it's pretty popular. And I
don't see how these things have a are able to
feed themselves on small game like that. I just there's
really not I mean, we're in the middle of suburban,
you know, neighborhoods. I live about thirty miles from Dallas,
and sure it's a little bit out there, and I'm
right right up next to a lake. But I just
don't see how anything that size can have enough food
out there for subsistence.
Speaker 2: It just it bothers my mind.
Speaker 1: And the fact that it showed itself to me like
that's why I thought it was like psychic magnetism.
Speaker 2: Because I was so as obsessed with it that it's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, here you are, here we are, you know,
And that's why it felt like so much like a dream,
like as if as I don't know, but Bella, she
she even forget. So where I buried Bella after she
had passed was in the field where I'm sitting, probably
about about three hundred yards from where shoes buried.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm not at my house.
Speaker 1: I'm just a little bit down the road closer to
where my most recent experience has happened. And they're building
these really big houses out here, like half a.
Speaker 2: Million dollar homes on these quarter.
Speaker 1: Acre lots, and they've got about two dozen of them men,
But there's still a couple of blocks with nothing there,
but they've got the roads paved in, the street lights
and stuff. And it backs up to these past years.
And after I buried Bella lesson, maybe maybe a week
goes by, and I'd take my other dogs, you know,
consistently out there every day. And well when I went
to where she was where I later to rest, she
was gone. She was taken from her resting area, her
resting spot. And at first, you know, you think the coyotes.
And I've done my due diligence. I've looked all over
the place. There's there's no she wasn't dug up. There
wasn't a bunch of dirt all, you know, pushed aside.
There wasn't new Paul Prince or digging. And plus also
coodies when they tend to scavenge on uh, you know,
the body of something. They were pretty messy and they
can kind of spread it, spread it out. And that
didn't happen either. I didn't see any parts of her.
It looked like something had reached in into the dirt
and pulled her out. And so most of almost all
that dirt was still sitting in the hole. Just you
can tell that there was a depression there, and and
then when I saw the depression, I started digging down
into it, and she wasn't in there. And I think
my son was with me, my son and my daughter
was from the other time, and we had looked all
the place around there. There's little game trails going every
which direction, and that I know we've got hogs out
here too, And but a hog wouldn't just pull a
corpse out of the ground. And I was so so hurt,
so angry, and so driven to get back at what
had taken her. And you know, to the point where
I'd come out every night, you know, if all the
nights I'm not working, I'd be out there with a
gun in this complete quiet, trying to put myself out
there as bait for something to come in, you know,
whether it be a coyote or a hog or and
not gonna lie that The thought had crossed my mind
that maybe the dog man, because what else can reach
in with like hands and take something and walk off
with it. But at that point I was so angry
it didn't matter what it was, and I wanted to
hit my pound of.
Speaker 2: Flesh for taking her.
Speaker 1: And I still have yet to figure out what happened
to her with my other two dogs. I've found when
we found like you know, goat skulls and a spine
and like a cow like a calf jaw out here,
and these developers they purchased I'm guessing like all the
pasture land that these cows were on, because they're just
they're just clearing all this for all this trees and
just taking all the last bit of uh you know
what wild lands we have left to put these houses
on and slowly pushing us out.
Speaker 2: And I was so.
Speaker 1: Obsessed with it that they said, I still come out
here every day twice a day, you know, earlier and
sort of to eight or nine around this time, and
I'd be back out here at three o'clock in the
morning give her take with the dogs, just letting them
do their thing. I like my dogs to kind of
run around and do their thing, and I'm not want
to really walk around on leashes. But now for my
most recent experiences, it happened right here in the same spot,
not by the creek foot here where they're building these houses.
And it happened July twelfth, at one am. I know
that because I had taken pictures the first one I
even called my daughter and.
Speaker 2: I was blown away.
Speaker 1: Now my phone, strangely it was, it was it was
around like thirty three percent when I had called my
daughter and I was trying to you know, I was
telling her about it, and I told her, Okay, well,
I want to try and get some you know, video
and get some pictures of it. And so we had
hung up, and I was trying to take pictures. Now
my flashlight which was charged and it has batteries in it,
and the flash I started flickering going on and off
and I had to, you know, constantly smack it for
it to illuminate. And my phone that I saw, my
phone was down to like two percent at the time.
And how it went from thirty three percent to two percent,
I don't know, but I'm guessing maybe it had something
to do with this. What I can't say conclusively was
a dog man. But what I saw was these big
eyes that were staring at me. This thing was standing
in a creek. It was behind some foliage. It was
about thirty five yards away from me in this creek area,
and it was like a light gray color and I
can see the allzle with the black black nose tip
and it was kept on like peeking out from behind this.
Uh it was just small. That's right right there, and
and and there's you can tell it was. It was obscured.
And so the pictures on that one in the I
got two videos like forty seven seconds and twenty seven seconds.
Speaker 2: You can't see nothing.
Speaker 1: And so that's when I was like, Okay, my dogs
were with me at the time. Now, they didn't even
know that this thing was there. They were kind of
like one of them, she's a black lap She's just
rolling around on her back, just scratching her back in
the middle of this street and sky she was just
chewing on her feet, not really paying much attention. And
at that point we had already had our walk, and
so I backed up slowly and we'd gotten part thieve
and I drove to the end, which is this old
stop sign, which is maybe one hundred and fifty yards
from this spot, and there was this white twite. A
tundra had come down. Like I said, there's about two
dozen houses over here that are already built, but there's
still plenty of spots where they have yet to build.
And that's where I was coming from, where there wasn't
any homes, but thought his past year and this this
toy a ton of like slows down, like almost comes
to a complete stop. And that's what drew my attention
to the left of me, and to the left there
was this big, gigantic white dog canine creature, had a
really big head. It was laying down, but it was
staring straight at me. I've got a pretty decent picture
of it again conclusively. Can you say this was a
canine or whatever? No, but you can make out the
dark spots where the eyes would be and where the
ears were at.
Speaker 2: And the tip of the nose.
Speaker 1: I've got a pictures of the spot in the daylight,
and that was maybe seventy feet sixty seventy feet from
my vehicle, and I just sat there and I was
trying to take pictures of that, and which I got
a couple of good ones, but again my phone was
that one.
Speaker 2: So jammed the charger into it at the time to
try and get what I could.
Speaker 1: And I think I just sat there, like, I don't know,
for five minutes, just looking at this thing. And it
reminded me of have you ever seen Game of Thrones
and they have those dire rules. It's like one of
like like a big white one. I think that it's
John Snow or something. I'm not sure, but it was massive,
a really big head at a long body. From when
I went back there the next day to see where
its body length was is the length of its body
had been almost seven and a half feet and it
was curled up sort of and uh and but very
strangely like these things were or just right there. And
I'd been out here daily, multiple times a day for
three years and to see to see this, I mean,
it was it was startling, and you know, I was
excited and again, you know, I mean that's kind of
creepy at the same time, and have these things staring
at you. Now, nothing was aggressive, didn't. I would say,
I'm very very fortunate the fact that nothing that between
these two encounters, that nothing came rushing at me, Like
I couldn't imagine, Like that's to be out in the
woods on some mountain side by yourself, We're having these
things tapping on your window like that's terrifying.
Speaker 2: I I don't know what I'd do.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd probably people probably think I'm crazy. I'd
probably did mag dump something in the face. So I
heard some tapping on the window.
Speaker 2: What good it do? I don't know. But I've been
fortunate in that since the fact that nothing is overtly
tried to hurt me.
Speaker 1: But the fact that Bella was taken, now that that's
one thing that I've been having a hard time getting over.
And that's something I just had to swallow because I
was so mad, so angry. I mean, I would have
like an ar in my trunk and sometimes I walk
around with it. Sometimes I didn't, you know, one, I
don't want to freak out all these new people that
move me in over here. I don't really care about that.
That's not even issue. Just I knew that wasn't healthy behavior.
And sometimes I can get like a dog on a
bone when I get a hold of something I don't
like to let go. And letting Bella go was hard enough.
And having to swallow the fact that she was taken.
And I thought for the longest time that maybe this
big black one that came from the from the Creek area,
you know, the year year and a half prior, thought
maybe maybe that had come and taken her for just
I mean, why who knows?
Speaker 2: But we Why do they.
Speaker 1: Do the thing that they do when we really can't
explain that sent dark sense of humor because it growled
at her and she didn't back down.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: Having to give up the like I haven't taken the
guns out in a while every now and I still will,
but just in case, and I'll leave it in my car,
you know, because there's still coyotes out here. And I
did track a really really big hog until it had
been like four hundred and fifty pounds in the depression
of It's tough. But and then I saw these July twelfth,
and I told my wife and I took her two
days later back to the same spot to show her
where it was at. And actually that was where we
set off fireworks in July fourth, the same exact spot.
And like I said, it backs up to this past year.
And when I was talking to her about I was
facing towards her. My back was to the vegetation area,
and she was facing you know, standing there looking at
me from sidewalk, and she said that there's something.
Speaker 2: She started getting kind of scared. She saw something behind me, not.
Speaker 1: Directly right behind me, but like thirty thirty maybe twenty
twenty yards I guess off this from this tiny little
trickle of water, this small, really small creek, and it
was upright and it was moving from the if you're
looking at it from her view from right to left.
And I turned around and I looked. I didn't have
my flash at the time. I couldn't find it. And yeah,
I saw. I saw it was darker than everything else
around it. And you can tell it was standing up
and eventually had passed behind some trees. And she's like
not having it. She's like, Okay, it's time to go.
And as curious as I am, I like to push
the envelope and chase things and you stupid stuff.
Speaker 2: I went ahead and decided not to test it, and
we got in the car and went home.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, so these things they haven't been easy.
I still come out every single night, take my dogs
out here every night. As soon as I get off
of the phone here, I'm gonna I'm gonna go back
home and get my dogs, make sure the fed, and
come out here and.
Speaker 2: Go for a good hour walk. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I want to walk back up across this little creek
area and up into that field and go to where
Bella's rushing spot was. We won't be for much longer. Unfortunately,
we own our double wide.
Speaker 2: We have perfected. So leave.
Speaker 3: Oh no, you're making up again. You're breaking out here. Yeah,
let's see how you sound now.
Speaker 2: I think I wou now.
Speaker 3: Vic, Yeah, this seems better. Can you go back in
and read tell us what you were just starting into
telling us about. Sure?
Speaker 1: Sure, I was saying that after we get off the
phone here, I'm going to go home, make sure my
dogs are fed, and I want to come back out here,
and I want to go across the creek area over
there into this field and probably just maybe go pay
respects to Bella's resting spot. Now I know she's not
there anymore, but just we won't be around here for
very much longer. Unfortunately, I've loved Wiley, been here for
fifteen years. We have a mortgage on a decent double
wide home. But uh, due to unfortunate circumstances, were being evicted.
Speaker 2: I went to the court hearing.
Speaker 1: The judge wouldn't even let me speak, and he terrified
my wife so much that you know, she's so intimidated
she didn't even know what to say. You also dismissed
our our motion to continue, which basically gives you a
little more time to get legal counsel, and it seems
like they're fast tracking and getting us out of there.
So we're actually in the midst of packing a bunch
of stuff up and uh and having to.
Speaker 2: Figure ou where we're gonna go. We're gonna take our
dogs and my kids.
Speaker 1: And you know, things have not been easy. You know, Almongst,
you know how to deal with all these things. And honestly,
it feels like the Dogman experience was easier to deal
with than than having to uproot our lives again and
start from scratch. But uh, it looks if they're not
going to give us any choice and they don't want to. Uh,
and I can come up, you know, two thousand dollars
and you know, in a week as much as I
tried selling things, selling my guns, and uh, it doesn't
look like it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So I think I'm gonna go. We're probably gonna be gone.
Speaker 1: We have I think the last day before they get
the rid of Possesion's gonna be Tuesday. So I think
tonight we're gonna go up there and go visit Vellas. Yes, well,
the place where I later arrest I wouldn't say her
grave anymore because she's not there, but probably just go
up there one last time before having to leave this place.
And uh, that's that's about it. I don't know what
else to talk about. But sometimes, like I said, life
can be difficult for a lot of us. And you know,
I've been fortunate with the dog mancounters that I've had.
They weren't they weren't threatening and doing all that crazy stuff,
thank god. But they definitely come out of nowhere for
some reason. And I know you've said before, you know,
with the amount of times we go out there in
the woods and I go like to go hiking. My dogs,
they used to hike all the place when I was
a kid, you know, an upstate in New York, up
the mountains. I just mean, a little brother, these things
could could be all around us. I don't know if
it has to do with our state of mind, whether
or not they want, if they can read our intentions,
on whether or not they choose to show themselves. And
sometimes it seems to be an opportunity for them to
looking for a quick meal or something, or just to
terrify someone.
Speaker 2: I mean, again, we don't know why they do what
they do.
Speaker 1: But sometimes life like life can be a little bit
more difficult even even even going through that, at least
for me anyways.
Speaker 2: But I mean, what else can you do?
Speaker 1: Just stick you get back to the grindstone and just
keep on, just to.
Speaker 2: Make your way. And uh, it's about it. Vic.
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'm so sorry to hear about
Bella passing. It's never easy. But please remember it was
Bella's body that was taken out of that grave.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: Bella is in a different place now, a place where
she doesn't have to worry about all the problems that
we do here on earth. We're left behind. But like
in our conversation that we had the first time we spoke,
please remember everything I told you about that whole situation
and everything, and I hope that helps. And number two,
like I told you in that conversation, also, I'm so
sorry to hear about your housing situation there. From how
you described what's going on, it sounds like you think Sunday.
Did you say Sunday is when you think you're going
to be evicted? Or did you say Tuesday?
Speaker 1: Now I think, oh, well, we've already went to the core.
I think Tuesday is the we had. So we did
a filed and appeal and they give you six days
to uh to to come up with the the So
now they want a full month's rent to go to
the court. And like, I didn't have money the two
thousand dollars for the heal bond, and so they granted
kind of like te hundred and sixty seven dollars to
pay to the court. So if whoever loses the or
Wednesday appeal they get they get that the six hundred
and sixty seven dollars, which would be like a full
months rent, and uh, we have until Tuesday to come
up with that, and but I haven't. Uh, I haven't
been able to come up with that with that total amount,
and which means the judge is probably likely just gonna
not even bother even looking at the peal that they're
going to toss it out and they're gonna award the
management company the writ of possession, which is going to
be I don't know the rules when you have a
mortgage on a home and you're being evicted from the
land beneath you. I don't know if there's a certain
amount of time you can you have to figure out
but I know, I'm pretty sure it's like something like
thirty days or something like that to move your house
and it being adulable. I mean, one, you'd have to
have a land for it to go to, and the
several thousand dollars to move it to the said land.
Speaker 2: And if I move it, you know, just stay where
we're at without having to uproot everything.
Speaker 1: But unfortunately, I wasn't able to come up with that money.
Speaker 3: So unfortunately you're starting to break up again. But yeah,
I think I think we're able to make out enough.
You said that if you had six hundred and how
much dollars before Tuesday, you think you would be able
to stay this month.
Speaker 2: Uh well no, not to say.
Speaker 1: That's just for them to look over the appeal, the
appeal that we put in after they after you got
viction court, you have to put in a whole month's
rent to the to the.
Speaker 2: Appeal court for the judge to look over the appeal.
Speaker 1: In order to have a perfect appeal, you have to
put in the full months, a full month's worth of
rent for this month, which is six hundred and sixty
seven dollars. But we also have a mortgage and all
that stuff too. But but yeah, no, So in order
just for them to look at the appeal and consider it,
we'd have to pay six hundred and sixty seven dollars
and uh and that's and we can still lose it
at that point too, but you know.
Speaker 2: We tried, so we bat till tuesday.
Speaker 3: If you were able to get past that hurdle and
pay for the appeal to actually go through, what do
you think of the odds that next month, the month
after that, you'd be able to retain your property.
Speaker 1: Well, if we were granted the appeal then and like
we're we finally got a hold of some legal counsel.
This you know, an advocate Eviction Advocacy Center, which is
a team of lawyers that try and help people in
that position and turns out ninety percent of eviction cases
where people the tenants have a lawyer, they win their case,
and in cases where they don't, almost ninety almost every
case that where people don't have a lawyer, they lose.
But if we were given the appeal, there might be
an opportunity for them to.
Speaker 2: Because the whole basis our defense was the fact that
the the.
Speaker 1: The proper notify notification to us about the eviction, which
we didn't get, but they claim that did and we
never got anything. And the fact that the judge dismissed
our motion to continue to give us more time to
find lee counsel, and he dismissed that and he would
allow us to to find to have more time to
get it, to find someone, you know, to learn, you know,
at least.
Speaker 2: Court procedures, like they hold you to these procedures.
Speaker 1: Where like you have to be your own lawyer and
you have to conductor you yourself as much, meaning like
you have to say certain things and in order to
even be heard.
Speaker 2: And that I was.
Speaker 1: I looked up, you know, I studied as much as
I could, knowing that we didn't have time for a counsel.
Speaker 2: So I thought I was our best shot.
Speaker 1: And the judge silenced me and said I'd be held
an contempt if I continue to try and speak. So
he put it on my wife and she was, like
I said, so intimidated. She didn't even know what to
say and how to question with him, you know. The
management and and the judge really basically just kind of
like a just shackled me and just pushed it on
through and awarded the eviction to the management and said
we've got time to appeal, and we have to pay
X amount of money for the appeal.
Speaker 2: And the appeal just gives us.
Speaker 1: An opportunity for someone to flint to look over and
say say whether or not like we got an a
fair shot or if we're given an opportunity for a.
Speaker 2: Jury, So what's the probability. I don't know. I mean,
it's better than better than what we have now.
Speaker 1: But and if we can get you know, a lawyer
to advocate for us on our behalf, then things are
looking a whole lot better than what they were. But
if I had the money just to pay them off
to the management company, and that's where I would have
done it, you know, but we won't give enough time
to do so.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put this as eloquently as possible. That
judge sounds like a piece of crap to me. And
if there ever was a judge who suffers from black
robe disease, that judge would definitely be it, because that's
just ridiculous how he's been acting, how he has been
treating you, that is just ridiculous. If I were to
create a good Fundme page for you tonight, before I
went to bed, so we could try to raise seven
hundred dollars for you, so you could push through that appeal.
How would that sound would that be.
Speaker 2: To you?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even begin I wouldn't even know I would
I'd beat.
Speaker 2: A tears like that.
Speaker 1: I'd be totally, eternally grateful. I don't want to make
my burden anyone else's problem, either, but I appreciate that
that's that's very generous to you.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the least I can do. If I'm in
a position to be able to help someone in need,
then no, it's my duty to do that. And I
just feel so lucky, so blessed to be in a
position to be able to help.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I can't guarantee that we'd be able to raise that
seven hundred before in such short time before Tuesday, But
the least I can do is to create that GoFundMe
page so we can try, we can do the best
we can to meet that goal. I mean, that judge,
he's put you in a tight spot that you never
should have been put into, and for him to act
all high and mighty the way he is and the
way so many judges do, Unfortunately, that's just deplorable. You
shouldn't be you shouldn't be subject to treatment like that.
It really is a shame. It's awful and says everything
that you need to know about a ridiculous judicial system.
What a joke. But, like I said, rest issured, before
I go to bed tonight, i'll have that, and I'll
need to work with you to get some pertinent information
from you to create that GoFundMe page. But yeah, before
I go to bed tonight and it's been a long day,
but before I go to bed tonight, I will create
that go fundme page, so anyone listening who wants to
be able to help Patrick meet that goal of seven
hundred dollars so he can push that appeal through. Yeah,
if you go to Dogmanencounters dot com on the homepage
right at the top, you're going to find a link
that I'm going to post for that go fundme page,
And also check the description for tonight's show. After I've
created that GoFundMe page before I go to bed, I'll
be sure to post that link for the good fund
me in the description for tonight's show. Also, that'll make
it really easy for you to find it if you
want to help contribute to help Patrick through this mess.
What a mess.
Speaker 2: I appreciate that very much. Vic.
Speaker 1: You know, the way they made this new law that
they passed, they made much more difficult and much easier
for you know, landlords to get people out of the
house and to keep from extending the you know, their
time there. And it's difficult being it's not like we're
being vicking from apartment.
Speaker 2: We have a mortgage on this house.
Speaker 1: And UH, with the amount of time that they'll give us,
which from what I've looked up, there won't be enough
time to come up enough money to find a place
of land and UH a higher company to you know,
ship my house. They'll have to take it literally apart
in two pieces and haul it off, which is costs
thousands and thousands of dollars. And UH, I don't I
really don't know what my options are at this point,
but hopefull that we can get a hold of the UH.
I've gotten some emails back from the Avoca Avocation Center.
I haven't spoken to them yet, but hopefully hopefully we
can you know, put rally caps on and come through.
But one thing I was saying, you know, I remind
my kids and you know, and a lot of things
I've gone through my life have been tough. I've always said,
no matter what happens, you know, we'll be okay. So
that goes through everyone else out there too. Just always
remember that no matter what happens, you'll be all right.
Speaker 3: I like the way you think, and you're right. You
will be all right, you really will. I think I've
got this feeling. I think we're going to be able
to do it. I think we will be able to
have that seven hundred dollars to you by Tuesday. Now,
please make sure you're available. I'm probably going to need
to send several text messages to you tonight. It might
be kind of late too, as I'm going through the
process of setting it up. There are things I have
to do before I can start working on that go
fundme page tonight. But yeah, please do remain available for
those text messages so I can get it totally ready
to go and end up and running tonight.
Speaker 2: So I'll be up.
Speaker 1: I saw my middle of the night walk with my dogs,
so I gotta do so I'll be up for some time.
Speaker 3: Okay, good, that's really good. Well, Patrick, it is a
little over an hour in I've got tons of questions
to ask, and I know the listeners in the live chat,
they've got tons of questions they want me to ask
you too. So I think here is where we're gonna
call it quits for tonight's show, just making sure are
you still up for coming back for a part too,
so you can answer all these questions, and of course
we can talk about that goal, that seven hundred dollars
goal as well.
Speaker 1: Certainly, of course i'll even if again I'm not gonna
hold my breath, but even regardless of that, I'll be back.
But I'll definitely i'll be back thick for sure.
Speaker 3: Well that's great, Yeah, that's really good. Well, yeah, i'll.
Speaker 2: Just do that.
Speaker 3: I will do the things I just mentioned. And yeah,
as long as you're o key with coming back for
that part too, I'll get with you to schedule that
follow up show. I don't know when it's going to
be right now, but we'll put our heads together and
get that all hashed out. But yeah, in the meantime,
everyone listening, Yeah, if you can help to contribute to
this cause to help Patrick out, it would be most appreciated.
Like I said, you'll be able to find a link
to that GoFundMe page in the description for tonight's show
after I create it late tonight. And also I'll post
a link for it on Dogmancounters dot Com right on
the homepage right near the top. So yeah, I can't
thank you enough for listening. I can't thank you enough
for any help you can give. Patrick. We really do
appreciate it, We really do. But having said that, before
we get out of here, Patrick, do you have any
clothing comments you want to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: Well, one, I would say to anyone who says that
they really really want to see a dog man and
they kind of get obsessed over it sometimes times, and
it's not it's really not something you really wanted, you
find out that you shouldn't have been wishing for that,
so he'll be careful what you wish for. And two,
just remember when our hard life down, were starting it
back up and letting out again.
Speaker 3: There, Okay, can you hear me, you're breaking up?
Speaker 2: Fine?
Speaker 3: Okay, good, you were breaking up. They're really bad. When
you started to share that second point, can you share
it with us again?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: I was saying that no matter how how hard life
may kick you, when you're down and how difficult things
seem and all the pressures and responsibilities we have on
our shoulders that no matter what you know, just remember
that you'll be okay and and just you'll never give up.
Speaker 2: And just that's about it.
Speaker 3: Very wise words, very wise words. Like I told you,
I really do love the way you think and know that. Yeah,
we'll be working behind the scenes to get that go
fund me up and ready to go. And like I said,
everyone listening, thanks, It's always so much for listening and
any support you can give Patrick to help him out
of a very tight spot that he really shouldn't have
to deal with. But if you've had a dogman accounter
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then I'll contact you to schedule a phone consultation and
we'll take it from there. But having said that, thanks
again so much for coming on, Patrick, and like I said,
we'll put our heads together to schedule that follow up show.
Appreciate it big, you know you're welcome. Thanks again so much,
and I'll talk to you tonight.