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Riley Jensen played quarterback for BYU and Utah. 42 00:01:56.879 --> 00:02:00.480 Stay will stop by the entire three o'clock will be 43 00:02:00.519 --> 00:02:01.280 Scott Mitchell. 44 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:04.640 However, Scott showed up early and on time. 45 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:06.519 Well, I heard it was a by U U Tah 46 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:09.800 rivalry to show up right, yea, yeah, blood drive. We'd 47 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.759 love blood. It's it's amazing what it does. Saves a 48 00:02:12.759 --> 00:02:16.000 lot of life. I've personally had experiences with this, so 49 00:02:16.039 --> 00:02:19.240 it's a good cause. Good to be out here. It's 50 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:21.400 election day? Are we allowed to actually ask. 51 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:22.199 People if they vote? 52 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:22.439 Like? 53 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:23.840 Is that? Is that a kosher question? 54 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.560 I think that's fine. 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It is timed out for your opening tip. 90 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.800 Welcome to the Drive with Spence. Check it's on Utah's 91 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:56.479 number one sports talk. Now into the studio of ESPN 92 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.400 seven hundred to set the scene for the show. The 93 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:01.439 opening tip of the Drive is brought to you by 94 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:04.800 Standard Restaurant Supply, your one stop shop to build the 95 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:09.520 best tailgate in town. Standard Restaurant Supply thirty five hundred 96 00:04:09.560 --> 00:04:10.560 Southwest Temple. 97 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:14.400 So the big game coming up on Saturday, everybody's attention 98 00:04:14.520 --> 00:04:18.519 certainly on Saturday BYU Utah Salt Lake City, Rice Eco Stadium, 99 00:04:18.519 --> 00:04:19.879 eight fifteen kicktime. 100 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:22.319 Our pregame coverage, we'll begin at. 101 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:25.480 Four point fifteen with Porter Larson isaac Ociad a bunch 102 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:26.000 of utes. 103 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:28.759 The line opened up at five, it. 104 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:31.480 Moved to four, it settled at four for about thirty 105 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:34.160 eight hours, and then last night it moved a half 106 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:35.279 a point towards Utah. 107 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:38.800 So there is some optimism on the market with the utes. 108 00:04:38.839 --> 00:04:41.120 BYU as we sit here today, is a three point 109 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.720 five point favorite. I never played in this game. Scott 110 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.360 Mitchell did, and Scott is here for our first segment. 111 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:49.319 So before we get into because I want to talk 112 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:50.959 about what you and I were discussing off air. I 113 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:52.600 think we both are of one mind of who we're 114 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:55.240 going to see under center. What does this week bring 115 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:58.079 to you? Memories, energy, what's it like as somebody who 116 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:59.040 played in this game. 117 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.439 You know it was a totally different era where when 118 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:06.639 when I was at Utah, BYU had been so dominant 119 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:09.560 fifteen out of sixteen games, and so it was it 120 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:11.920 was almost like they kind of we were an afterthought, 121 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.079 you know, and which made it work. It just agonized 122 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.839 the heck out of you, like they had no respect 123 00:05:16.920 --> 00:05:19.279 for you at all, and and I just I just 124 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:22.240 I hated that, you know, I hated not being respected. 125 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:23.879 And when we. 126 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:27.160 Played, uh, you know, and I was around for four 127 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.439 of the games, only played in one of them, and uh, 128 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:32.000 well I played in two. That's that's and we barely 129 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.079 lost in provo in eighty seven. But the thing about 130 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.560 BYU that I remember the most was they were so 131 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.399 predictable because they were so good. Yeah right, and they 132 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.000 first down they were going to be in cover three, 133 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:45.399 second down they're being covered two, and third down they 134 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:46.519 were going to be in quarters covered. 135 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:48.639 It never changed, never changed. 136 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.560 So we were like, Okay, what's our most explosive like 137 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:54.240 our home run play, like what's our best play to 138 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.199 for you know, shot play versus cover three? 139 00:05:57.639 --> 00:05:59.600 And we did that the whole the whole game. 140 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:01.720 The game where you just. 141 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:05.959 Yeah and just and just killed them. 142 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:07.319 And it was just such a fun day you know, 143 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.879 and just so exciting and it's just so fun to 144 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.720 beat up on someone who's so much better than you are, 145 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.040 you know, and uh and and the cool thing about 146 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.439 it for me is it it was great at that time, 147 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:22.800 but it's still great to Utah fans. I think the one, 148 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.120 the one comment I get the most from people is 149 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.959 I remember nineteen eighty eight, I remember fifty seven to 150 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.600 everybody remembers the score, you know, And so so that's 151 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:35.959 kind of a fun thing. The thing I'm most concerned 152 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.360 about about this year for Utah is none of these 153 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.920 players have grown up with this rivalry, Like they haven't 154 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:43.519 been a part of it, so they don't know that 155 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.240 it's a real thing, and it's a real thing because 156 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:50.040 it's so fascinating how it really impacts the play of 157 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.759 the game, because it's a right It's like one team 158 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.240 should clearly blow out the other team and they don't, 159 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:57.879 you know, and so so just it just it it's 160 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.759 a funny, funny dynamic that happened. It feels a little 161 00:07:01.800 --> 00:07:06.519 funny this year, like it's like something really bizarre could happen. 162 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:10.519 And you're Utah and you beat by US undefeated, you 163 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.639 talk about the car there they're gonna be is probably 164 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.519 gonna be ranked four in the car. 165 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:16.120 I mean they're gonna be I don't know that they're 166 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:18.360 gonna be that high tonight. I think six is their 167 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:21.279 ceiling time. Now, Remember the ranking isn't the seating. It's 168 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:21.920 a different thing. 169 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.240 Okay, all right, they then maybe they're maybe they're six, 170 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:27.199 but uh there might or eight. 171 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.319 They're gonna be high. They're still gonna be in the 172 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:30.040 top ten as. 173 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.519 Far as as far as the CFP ranking tonight or 174 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:35.680 the seating to actually play the bracket, because they're two 175 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:36.560 very different things. 176 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:38.759 So the seat the seating is really what. 177 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:40.759 The Big twelve champ should be. Four. 178 00:07:40.920 --> 00:07:43.199 Yes, with the seating, b YU will not be the 179 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:47.639 fourth ranked team of the CFP rankings tonight. No, no way, 180 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.040 I'll bet you. I'll bet you right now. I look, 181 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:52.480 they might be seven or eight. 182 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:53.959 I don't want to get. 183 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.920 Into the conversation about about the rankings because because I 184 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.720 think it's skewed, and I think it's it's all there's 185 00:08:00.759 --> 00:08:03.160 a whole process of methodology. 186 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.120 I think it's bracket. You think they're gonna be the 187 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:06.000 fourth ranked team? 188 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:06.519 It? 189 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:11.079 Yeah, if they well, look I want a dramatic effect 190 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.439 for my story. So I want them rank as high 191 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.800 as they possibly could be by the time you go 192 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.319 into this game on Saturday. That's when the rivalry really matters. 193 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:22.560 When something's on the line by us undefeated, there's a 194 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.040 real possibility they could run the tape. They don't have 195 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.879 a they don't have a real strong, tough schedule going 196 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:31.000 down down the stretch other than at Utah, and they 197 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.200 could go into the Big Twelve championship game. 198 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:34.320 With no losses. 199 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:34.799 They could. 200 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.279 But when you're when you're the team that's stinking it 201 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.159 up like the uts are this year, goes in and 202 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.200 beats them and messes up their whole year, that's when 203 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:46.320 the rivalry that's the best part about them. 204 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.480 Okay, Okay, So I appreciate the sentiment, but the fact 205 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:52.600 of the matter is this is no longer an elimination 206 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:55.720 elimination game for b YU because of what happened last week. 207 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.279 So Utah could spoil their undefeated season, yes, but b 208 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.600 YU is high speed ed to a Big twelve champion. 209 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:04.960 They are. They are in the driver driver's seat, no question. 210 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.639 But let me because I got to get to an 211 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:09.919 interview here in a little bit. My guy, Mike, he's 212 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:11.720 gonna stop by. We've got the entire three. 213 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:13.679 O'clock hour, Scott got to talk about. 214 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:15.799 But let me get Let me ask you this because 215 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.360 you reference eighty eight and I told you this anecdote 216 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:18.840 off air. 217 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:19.440 That is true. 218 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:22.120 One of my friends, who is an absolute diehard ut 219 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.759 and is nervous out of his mind for Saturday, sure, 220 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:29.960 is so grateful for what you did in nineteen eighty 221 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.200 eight that he simply just made your NFL teams his 222 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.720 favorite team. And I've been talking about this all week, Scott. 223 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:37.200 Not to make you feel feel old, but nineteen eighty 224 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:40.000 eight was the last well I'm getting there. Nineteen eighty 225 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.120 eight was the last year I lived here before he 226 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.799 moved back east. And Eddie Johnson came and spoke to 227 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:48.240 us in watch that's elementary. I was a fifth grader, 228 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:50.840 and so then after because we were living in Federal Heights, 229 00:09:50.879 --> 00:09:52.960 then after that experience, we went, we went and watched 230 00:09:52.960 --> 00:09:55.039 the game and I think Eddie had four touchdown. 231 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.759 Yeah, he was all over it. Yeah. 232 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:01.200 So the problem is nothing that what happens on Saturday, 233 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.360 we'll be able to salvage Utah football season. It's already 234 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.399 done in a way that we thought that it was 235 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.879 in a way that nobody saw coming. You can't get 236 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.679 back into contention for the conference. The only thing worse 237 00:10:12.720 --> 00:10:15.279 than playing in a throwaway bowl is not being eligible 238 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:21.360 for one. But Scott Mitchell, Eddie Johnson, Brandon Burton and look, 239 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:22.919 I could keep going for twenty minutes. 240 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:25.879 If you have greatness in. 241 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.480 You for one day, and if you have the ability 242 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:32.159 to find that internal fortitude to be great for one 243 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:38.039 day against BYU in Salt Lake, you will be remembered differently, 244 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.519 even if this season will not be remembered the way 245 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.639 that we thought. Right like you can, Utah football has 246 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.000 one more chance. The Utah football players have. 247 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:51.879 One more chance to in forty years be sitting doing 248 00:10:51.879 --> 00:10:54.720 a radio interview like you are right now and we 249 00:10:54.759 --> 00:10:56.559 reminisce about eighty eight in the way that made you 250 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:58.399 a legend. That that has to be the message for 251 00:10:58.480 --> 00:10:59.320 Kyle this week. 252 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.600 Yeah, there's no question, And it certainly erases a lot 253 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:05.120 of the disappointment of the season. Right and quite frankly, 254 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:07.399 the year that b Yu's having makes the year Utah 255 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:09.759 is having even worse. Right, It just it makes it 256 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.960 so much worse. Winning this game it's now a rivalry 257 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:18.080 game again, which is awesome. I love this, but to 258 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.639 win it, there's no question about it. It gives you 259 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.120 an opportunity to kind of okay, at least we beat 260 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.960 them that year. Because there's there's just it's it's not 261 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:30.159 only down the road, and and they're it's living every 262 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.519 day for all the you know, all these Utah fans, 263 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:35.240 and you have to live amongst each other, and it's 264 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:37.480 and you just hate worse than anything to have it 265 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.440 rubbed in your nose, like worse than anything, Like as 266 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:44.080 a sportsman, it's the worst thing when someone just. 267 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:46.000 You know, and they have they can back it up. 268 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.960 They just talk trash to you, whether it's social media, 269 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:51.600 whether it's at church, whether it's in the neighborhood, whatever 270 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:54.480 it is. When when they when the one team has 271 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:57.320 the upper hand and they just they just twist a knight. 272 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:59.759 They just grind it in. So to be able no 273 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:02.759 matter what happens, like if you win this game, you 274 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:06.000 always you always have that regardless of what's going on. 275 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:10.000 I remember, you know, Utah loses to BYU I think 276 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:14.600 twenty twenty one, and and uh, and of course Utah 277 00:12:14.600 --> 00:12:16.279 goes on to play in the Rose Bowl and win 278 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:19.840 win the Pac twelve Championship, and it's like BYU still 279 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:22.399 had the upper hand even though you talk goes to 280 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:23.240 the Rose Bowl. 281 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.519 Because this would be the because they beat him that year. 282 00:12:25.360 --> 00:12:27.000 And it's kind of the same, you know, it's kind 283 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:29.519 of the same type of thing. It's it's a fascinating dynamic, 284 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.879 and it's it's such a redeeming opportunity to have the 285 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:35.759 you know, just win this one game, If you can 286 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:38.600 just win this one game, it's gonna it's gonna cure 287 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:40.039 a lot of the als. 288 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:40.600 That you have right now. 289 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.360 Just if Dorian Singer goes for a buck fifty and 290 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.759 three touchdowns and they win, like they could lose the 291 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.639 rest of the and Dorian would always be the guy 292 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.759 from this game that helped them beat b YU. All right, 293 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.279 before we catch a break, we got to bring on 294 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:55.559 my guy, Mikey and we'll get back to this in 295 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.639 the three o'clock I've no real quick one question for 296 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:00.840 you before we catch a break. When I listened to 297 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.320 Brandon Rose media yesterday, Yes, he sounded like a kid 298 00:13:04.360 --> 00:13:06.039 that's talking like he's starting a court back. 299 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.919 And I hope so, and I believe that's actually going 300 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.120 to happen because there he was different. It was different 301 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:15.159 when he was in a game, it was significantly different. 302 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.240 And he's the most you know, I was thinking about this. 303 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:20.639 He's a guy that's been in the program the most, 304 00:13:20.679 --> 00:13:23.759 he's had the most experience. But there's also a physicalness 305 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:26.120 to it. There's a physical you know, he's he has 306 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.039 a more mature body, and that's one of the things. 307 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.120 Isaac Wilson just a little kids still, you know, and 308 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.000 just sitting in the pocket, you know, is kind of 309 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:36.840 a tough thing. So yes, I believe. I believe because 310 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.039 you thought doesn't care right now, We don't care about 311 00:13:39.039 --> 00:13:40.360 the future. We care about. 312 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.080 Winning this one game. 313 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:41.960 So it's Saturday. 314 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:43.360 If we got to put this guy in, let's do 315 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:44.000 it all right. 316 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.679 More than the three o'clock hour with Scott, he's going 317 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:47.639 to stay with me for the entire three o'clock hour. 318 00:13:47.679 --> 00:13:50.799 Coming up next, we're gonna do some jazz basketball. Jazz 319 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:53.320 got a win, baby went to Chicago and got a dub. 320 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:56.759 Tim mcmanlstop by, we'll talk about what this season could 321 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.399 look like for the Jazz. Then we're back to college football. Really, 322 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.559 the rest of the show Scott Mitchell, Austin Colley, Riley Jensen. 323 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.960 But we're live today. Ar Up Blood Services come on 324 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.399 by and say hi. Ninety seven eighty six South five 325 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.320 hundred West. And Sandy Mikey in a kilt stops by. 326 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.039 What's up, hey, we like to be classy here. That's 327 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.200 and that's like to mention the tie though, I mean, 328 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:18.960 this is important, right. 329 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.399 The utaie looks good present. You didn't get that at 330 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:22.679 some Halloween costume store. 331 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.120 That's all legitimate kech no, No, this was a year's 332 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:27.200 worth of Domino's Pizza trip chips. 333 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:32.320 That a guy, all right, So, University of Utah Arup Services, 334 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:33.320 of course, there's. 335 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:33.720 A tie there. 336 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:35.960 And we're here as the home of the Utes. We're 337 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:38.480 gonna have a show here that's kind of BYU centric. 338 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:41.360 We're doing a little fun rivalry thing. What's the tie 339 00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:42.559 with Utah and Arup? 340 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:44.960 Yeah, so aaru P. We are owned by the University 341 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:45.360 of Utah. 342 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:48.080 So every bit of blood that we collect stays here 343 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.399 locally in our own community. Everything we collect goes to 344 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.159 the University hospitals and clinics or a Huntsman Cancer Hospital, 345 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:55.039 but it all stays here. 346 00:14:55.639 --> 00:14:58.000 And so yeah, at plus blood's red. 347 00:14:58.080 --> 00:14:59.320 Right, blood is red? 348 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.960 Yes, If you come in and it's not, we might 349 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.679 have a different follow up appointment for you. So talk 350 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:06.720 about I mean, if people haven't done this before, what's 351 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.519 the process like? 352 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:09.240 Is it easy? Oh, it's so easy to do. 353 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:10.919 It only takes about a half an hour in and 354 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.200 out the door, maybe just a hair longer. You come in, 355 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.320 bring a photo ID helps to be well hydrated. You 356 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:19.200 go through a little registration process, answer a questionnaire, a 357 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:21.399 little mini physical, make sure that you're feeling good and 358 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:22.960 you're not going to become a patient. 359 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.600 And then needle's only in your arm maybe five to 360 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.919 eight minutes. And then you get snacks and sacks. 361 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.000 And you're you know you guys. I used to come here, 362 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:32.679 you know, three or four times a year with our 363 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:34.320 guy Lance. Your snacks are top show. 364 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:36.080 Oh yeah, we don't. We don't spare any expense. 365 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.360 Okay, So before I say you loose, let's end with 366 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.879 this one simply. How can people donate? How can they 367 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:41.320 get it? 368 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:41.919 Is so easy? 369 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:44.120 We're all We have two donor centers open seven days 370 00:15:44.120 --> 00:15:45.720 a week, one up in Research Park by the U 371 00:15:45.720 --> 00:15:47.759 of you. The other one is in Sandy about ninety 372 00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:49.080 eight hundred South and fifth West. 373 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:51.559 You can find addresses and hours. 374 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:53.600 At our website Utah blood dot org, or you can 375 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:55.519 give us a call at eight oh one five eight 376 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:57.480 four five two seven two. 377 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:58.399 Mikey. Thanks man. 378 00:15:58.399 --> 00:16:00.960 We're gonna chat all day long, my guy Mikey out 379 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.840 here at Arup Blood Services. 380 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.679 So come on out, donate. 381 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.480 You get megaplex theaters gift cards, and then you can 382 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:09.960 enter to win tickets for Utah PYU. 383 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.879 They're giving away jazz Laker tickets. 384 00:16:12.559 --> 00:16:14.480 You can enter to win jazz Laker tickets and then 385 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:17.799 the Utah men take it on Saint Mary's. So if 386 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:19.799 you don't have Utah YU tickets, you want to do 387 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.399 some good today. As Mikey mentioned, all the blood stays 388 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:24.320 in our state. They're the sole provider for the University 389 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.240 of Utah on the Huntsman Cancer Institute. 390 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:27.360 So we need blood. 391 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:28.919 We're asking for the help, and we're kind of having 392 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:31.600 a fun robbery tied to it at ninety seven eighty 393 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:32.440 six South five. 394 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:33.919 Hundred West here in Sandy. 395 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:36.200 If you can't make it out here, stop by five 396 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.360 sixty five Comus Drive and Research Park. 397 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.559 Next on the drive, Tim McMahon dropping dimes for your 398 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:43.919 NBA daily assists. 399 00:16:46.320 --> 00:16:53.120 Van McMahon, Van McMahan, batt Is Duding Ho, the Land Tectives, 400 00:16:53.399 --> 00:17:03.279 flood Tickets, Mudy's and Man McMahon McMahan the man. 401 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.119 All Right, we're live today. 402 00:17:12.759 --> 00:17:16.359 Arup Blood Services ninety seven eighty six South five hundred 403 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:17.480 West in Sandy. 404 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:20.039 Come on by to donate blood. 405 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:22.000 They're the sole provider for the University of Utah in 406 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:26.480 the Huntsman Cancer Center. And you get Megaplex Megaplex movie passes, 407 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:29.599 and then you're also qualified to when tickets for Utah 408 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.519 EYU football coming up on Saturday night. We'll get back 409 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:35.799 to little college and pro football in a moment, but 410 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:38.880 let's do some NBA because the Utah Jazz are on 411 00:17:39.079 --> 00:17:39.599 a tear. 412 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.599 Jazz got to win last night, So first win, baby steps. 413 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.400 Tim McMahon Tuesday Afternoon, Tim, Happy Tuesday, Buddy, How are 414 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:48.799 we doing? O? 415 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:49.920 Pardon? How are you? 416 00:17:50.519 --> 00:17:51.440 We're good? We're good. 417 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:55.279 And look, I mean, this is gonna be a difficult 418 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.279 year for the fans. It's gonna be a difficult year 419 00:17:59.319 --> 00:18:03.200 for our conversations because we could be very reductive and 420 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:04.599 say they finally have a plan. 421 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:06.000 That plan is to lose all year. 422 00:18:06.799 --> 00:18:09.720 So let's just start big picture because I feel like 423 00:18:09.839 --> 00:18:11.640 the best time to do this would have been two 424 00:18:11.720 --> 00:18:14.519 years ago, but the second best time is now. It 425 00:18:14.559 --> 00:18:17.240 does feel like they're leaning into a full rebuild. So 426 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.079 from an overall standpoint, where are you at with. 427 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:19.839 The Jazz right now? 428 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.720 Well, I can just tell you it's been a difficult 429 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:25.680 year for our conversations every year that we've been having. 430 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:30.559 Me tooche Well said, Look, the Jazz are just as 431 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:33.200 good as the Milwaukee Bucks. They're just as good as 432 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:35.359 the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I don't know why you 433 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:37.720 want to put this kind of spin on things. They 434 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:40.000 are just as good as two teams that were expected 435 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.799 to be contenders in the Eastern Conference. So, you know, 436 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.799 let's pump a little sunshine here. In all seriousness, I 437 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:51.039 do agree with you, like, hey, the rebuild was you know, 438 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:52.480 they were too good for their own good for the 439 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:54.960 first fifty plus games. For the last couple of years, 440 00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:58.559 you know, we understand that. Again, we've talked before. I 441 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.079 do think there was some value first year of will 442 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:05.119 Hardy's and you're in allowing himself to to kind of 443 00:19:05.160 --> 00:19:07.359 prove and established that he is a bona fide head 444 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:10.400 coach is interesting because I think what you're seeing in 445 00:19:10.480 --> 00:19:14.599 Brooklyn might be something pretty similar, and I would say 446 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:16.920 there should be the more agency in Brooklyn the bottom 447 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:20.079 out this year, given their take situation, still own a 448 00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:24.759 swap to to Houston a couple of drafts from now. 449 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:29.359 But this is to get the kind of talent that 450 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:31.400 it's going to take for the Jazz to really turn 451 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:35.160 this thing around. It's going to take a really rough 452 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:39.400 year or two, and you know, certainly this is going 453 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:43.279 to be one of those. Now, having said that, you 454 00:19:43.279 --> 00:19:44.759 don't want to You don't want to be in a 455 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:47.599 situation where you know you're opening this season with a 456 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:50.000 double figure losing street. You don't want to double figure 457 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:52.720 losing streets. You know, you do want to be able 458 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.160 to sprinkle and wins just because you don't want just 459 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:59.720 to be some kind of extraordinarily, for lack of a 460 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:04.559 better word, depressing situation. You do want the development of 461 00:20:04.599 --> 00:20:08.319 the young guys to occasionally be rewarded. And you know 462 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:13.000 last night was certainly an example down though you know, 463 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:15.319 John Collins might have been the best player on the floor. 464 00:20:16.720 --> 00:20:18.759 Yes, and you know I actually wanted to talk to 465 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.920 you about some of these dynamics here, because you know, 466 00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:24.759 there are people that are wondering whether or not the 467 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.319 Jazz are going to make any moves, and if they 468 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.519 do make moves, it won't be to get better this year. 469 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:31.920 And John Collins might be like the perfect guy to 470 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.400 have on the roster because you have to pay somebody 471 00:20:35.000 --> 00:20:37.720 and he can give you big minutes and he's making 472 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.400 twenty six point five mil and he's not very good. 473 00:20:41.240 --> 00:20:41.920 Most of the time. 474 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:47.440 But whether it's Collins or Sexton or Clarkson or any 475 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.440 of these vets outside of Patty Mills, Okay, they're not 476 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:52.680 moving Patty Mills. But do you do you think there's 477 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.119 any value with the vets on the Jazz roster and 478 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:58.640 you anticipate them maybe making any movement or is this 479 00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.839 kind of like the perfect type a veteran group to 480 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:02.960 have on a team that's really not serious about winning 481 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.440 right now? 482 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.920 Well, I mean, look, they're going to be listening to 483 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.640 offers and and certainly that stuff's not really intense right now. 484 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:13.079 Obviously it picks up the close you get to the 485 00:21:13.519 --> 00:21:16.079 to the trade deadline. You know, the one thing I 486 00:21:16.079 --> 00:21:19.799 can tell you is they're not going to incentivize anything 487 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:22.400 in Collins is probably tough. Correct me if I'm wrong. 488 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:24.519 He still I believe he still has another year left 489 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.039 in that contract. Because of that, probably it. 490 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:28.039 Is a player option. 491 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:33.680 Tim, I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm not breaking news here, 492 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.599 but I'm going to suggest the strong possibility that that 493 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:39.000 player option will be picked up. 494 00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:40.039 So probably correctly. 495 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:42.519 But you know, like, hey, I could see a guy 496 00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:46.359 like certain sext in Clarks and teams that are looking 497 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.200 for you know, scoring punch off the bench. Good teams 498 00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:52.240 come you know, around the time before the trade deadline. 499 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.759 I could see those be being a couple of guys 500 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:56.480 who might have some interest in the market. Like I said, 501 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:01.000 the Jazz will absolutely be be listening, you know, probably 502 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:06.759 even shopping those guys as that time comes. But you know, 503 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:09.160 it's not like they are in the way right now. 504 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:12.039 And Collins, unfortunately, they do kind of need his minutes, 505 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:16.200 and the plan coming into the season was he was 506 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:20.559 going to basically be the backup center and unfortunately Taylor Hendrix, 507 00:22:20.640 --> 00:22:23.599 who is going to play a lot of minutes, is not. 508 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:24.839 Going to play anymore this season. 509 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.000 You know, Loward marketing is not a long term thing, 510 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:31.640 but he's out right now. So Collins played a lot 511 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:33.839 of power forward, and I will say Colin's playing well 512 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:38.960 at power forward. It doesn't hurt the possibility that he 513 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.279 might be moved for the deadline. I'm just I don't 514 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:44.319 think it's likely, just because of the contract. 515 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.559 And then we'll get back to the Jazz because I 516 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:48.000 want to ask you about Taylor, But we have some 517 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.160 breaking news that I'll get your reaction to Tim in 518 00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.440 real time. Joel mb'd has been suspended for three games 519 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:56.359 by the NBA. He's gonna cost him just over a 520 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.039 million bucks. The suspension will start with the first game 521 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.519 that nb can play. This is according to tweet I'm 522 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:05.000 seeing from Bobby Mars. Obviously it's the situation with the 523 00:23:05.039 --> 00:23:07.279 reporter in the locker room. So what's your take the 524 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:09.960 NBA suspending EMBIID for three games? 525 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:14.559 Yeah, I look, the NBA had to issue a suspension. 526 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:17.119 I'll be honest with you. I am surprised that it's 527 00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:22.799 three games. I wasn't obviously in the locker room, you know, 528 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:26.200 But like you have to set the precedent. The players, 529 00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:28.799 no matter how upset they are, can't put their hands 530 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:32.680 on reporters. But I don't think This was some extremely 531 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:37.519 violent situation. And you know, frankly I can empathize with 532 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.359 Embiid as far as why he was so upset. Uh. 533 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:43.880 You know, this was one of those situations where nobody 534 00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:48.039 was right. You know, the columnist wrote something that was 535 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:51.720 you know, I understand why Embiid felt like it was 536 00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:55.480 a completely unnecessary and out of bounds personal shot. You know, 537 00:23:55.559 --> 00:23:58.799 to bring up if you can be criticizing a player, 538 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:02.759 you know, to bring up family, especially a deceased younger 539 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.720 brother his young son. You know, that's that's poor taste. 540 00:24:08.359 --> 00:24:11.079 But you know, the old the two wrongs they'll make 541 00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:13.559 the right thing certainly applies here. I thought one game 542 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:17.720 would have set a precedent and gotten the message across. 543 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.200 I thought three games is pretty strong, but you know 544 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:24.480 that's what the league office came down on. 545 00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.279 So moving back over to the Jazz and as you referenced, 546 00:24:28.319 --> 00:24:32.160 just just the horrifically sad scene that you and I 547 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:34.480 talked about last time. You joined us real quick with 548 00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:37.319 Taylor going down for the year, So I already asked 549 00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.839 you about that, and there really is any any new information. 550 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:40.519 You just sort of. 551 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:43.160 Gutted for the kid, But I was curious to see 552 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:46.200 what will would do with essentially twenty eight to thirty 553 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.640 minutes at his disposal, and he has gone to Cody 554 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:51.200 Williams and Kyle Philipowski. 555 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:52.279 He's not upping. 556 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:55.480 We're seeing a little bit more you banks time, but 557 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:57.599 in the starting lineup and the guys that are playing 558 00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.480 the majority of the big minutes, it's Cody Williams, it's 559 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:03.000 Kyle philip Powski. You reference marketing, you know, kind of 560 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.359 a day to day thing. I just anticipate that we're 561 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:07.079 going to deal with that all year long because I 562 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.519 believed him this is all intentional. Obviously you were tongue 563 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:14.880 in cheek about the bad starts for Milwaukee and Philadelphia, 564 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:19.079 But do you believe that now the plan is very 565 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:22.839 very clearly in place where it is. And look NBA 566 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:26.000 front offices, they'll sometimes say things and you get a 567 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:27.799 little hint like they're not going to say we're trying 568 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.440 to lose. They're going to say we're trying to develop 569 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.960 young players. So do you believe the losing is by design? 570 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:33.440 This year? 571 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.759 I believe that the Jazz have recognized that floating around 572 00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.039 the ninth or tenth taking the lottery is not a 573 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.759 way for them to really turn this thing around. So 574 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.119 you know, call it what you want. You know, Will 575 00:25:48.160 --> 00:25:51.519 Hardy is not out there coaching to lose games, but 576 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.200 with this roster he can coach his butt off. And 577 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:55.920 they're not going to win a lot of games. I mean, 578 00:25:56.000 --> 00:25:59.559 just look around the Western Conference. You know, that's just 579 00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:01.160 the way it is. I mean, they're not going to 580 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.720 win thirty something games with this roster. And you know, 581 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.079 it's also likely that one of their better players will 582 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:12.079 probably be gone before the trade deadline obviously, which happened 583 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:15.960 in the last couple of years as well. So you know, 584 00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:19.200 is it tanking, is it losing by design? Is it 585 00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.559 you know, just being in a situation Again, My thing 586 00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.400 is this, I don't necessarily there was definitely a direction 587 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:32.039 chosen here, but if they chose to try to be 588 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:37.759 as competitive as possible last summer, like what moves would 589 00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:40.119 what moves would they have made? Right? You know what 590 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:43.160 I mean? Like, you know, the Paul George thing was 591 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.599 a pipe dream that honestly never made any sense to me. 592 00:26:47.039 --> 00:26:50.279 I think this is a combination of choosing a direction, 593 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:54.640 you know, really committing to the full blown rebuild and 594 00:26:54.680 --> 00:26:57.240 not kind of the half measures of the of the 595 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.200 last couple of years, and also just the reality in 596 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.799 the situation kind of smacking me in the face. 597 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:08.279 Yeah no, well said so the last time that it's 598 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:09.200 been this bad. 599 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.279 And look, although there's not a championship banner hanging in 600 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.799 the Delta Center, we are a spoiled market because we've 601 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.960 had front offices who have been really smart at making 602 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.400 measured decisions, Scott Laden, Kevin O'Connor, Dennis Lindsay. And so 603 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:26.480 when Dennis took over, he moved on from Al Jefferson 604 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.039 and Paul Millsap. I mean, Millsap's still a jazz legend 605 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:30.559 and Al played here for a couple of years and 606 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:34.920 played well. So twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen jazz basketball is 607 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.359 when they started. It was like one in thirteen, and 608 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.079 the young players on the roster, Trey Burke rookie, Alec 609 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.960 Burke's second year, Derek Favors third year, Ennis Kanter's second year, 610 00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.480 Rudy Gobert rookie, Gordon Hayward third year, and I'll just 611 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:53.200 stop there because those are kind of the Cody Williams 612 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:59.160 Keyante Philipowski hopefully eventually Taylor, Bryce Sen Siba group and 613 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.079 then which one of those players popps Obviously Gobert did, 614 00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:07.920 Hayward did, Favors did Alec kind of did, Trey ever did. 615 00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:10.200 So they went like four for six, we'll call it. 616 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:13.359 So out of these young players, who do you think 617 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:16.200 has the best chance of popping in the way Hayward 618 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:19.160 and Gobert, Uh, those guys did that could be around 619 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:21.680 the next time. The Jazz are actually really good. 620 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.839 Well, you didn't mention Walker Kest in the young group? Yes, yes, 621 00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.079 I will, and and you know the Jazz do include 622 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:31.759 him in that group. You know, I think he's twenty 623 00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:34.759 three years old, obviously a third year guy. He's also 624 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.400 the guy who I think has shown the most and 625 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.039 has the uh, you know, has the best odds of 626 00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.960 becoming a you know, I don't know, foundational piece. Might 627 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.000 be a those strong but maybe not. I think he's 628 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.920 gonna be a really good, you know, starting big in 629 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:54.920 the NBA. Certainly a defense banker. You know, we've talked about, Hey, 630 00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.480 the guy did not build on a strong rookie year 631 00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.640 last year. He could argue he regressed a bit. Certainly 632 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.599 he didn't take strikes forward. But the way he responded 633 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:05.519 to that was by working his butt off. I think 634 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:09.119 he feels a lot better physically. I think his confidence 635 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.680 is much higher, you know. I know, Will and the 636 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:15.480 coach staffer are extremely happy with the work that he's 637 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.279 done going back to the end of last season. And 638 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:22.000 I think, you know, although they're not winning games, uh, 639 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:25.000 you know, I think he's played well this season. And 640 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.759 then honestly, the rest of the guys, like I don't know, 641 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:31.400 you know, I mean, Kunty George is in the starting 642 00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:34.359 lineup last night, played really well. It's been a pretty 643 00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:36.480 rough go for him so far this season. Before that, 644 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:41.079 I am skeptical on him being a full time point guard. 645 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.000 Maybe he ends up being a you know, a Jordan 646 00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.480 Clarkson type of a bench score. We'll see. But look, 647 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.839 this year, even next year, a lot of this is 648 00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.440 going to be about figuring out which, you know, which 649 00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.200 ones of these guys are potentially part of the long 650 00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:59.200 term future, and which one of them aren't going to 651 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:01.079 pan out, because I you said, they're not all going 652 00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:04.079 to pan out nobody, you know, if you shoot fifty 653 00:30:04.119 --> 00:30:06.200 percent in the drafts, especially with these picks that are 654 00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.000 you know, in the teams, you know, some of them 655 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.799 even been in the twenties that's doing pretty well, so 656 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:16.799 you know, player development is also you know, it's figuring 657 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:20.160 out which ones aren't worth continuing to invest in, and 658 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:21.839 that's going to be part of the process over the 659 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:22.839 next couple of years. 660 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.599 For sure, And certainly Hayward favors both third year players 661 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.039 on that team, so Walker should be included in the group. 662 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:32.960 Uh ten points, twelve boards, three blocks. So to me, 663 00:30:33.359 --> 00:30:36.279 his start is one of maybe two or three bright spots. 664 00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:39.200 And I cannot come on air every day and blow 665 00:30:39.240 --> 00:30:41.680 smoke when this is just going to be a rough season. 666 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.960 But you reference Keyante now. 667 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.400 The last time tim that Kyante made shots at High 668 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.200 Cliff he was a high scorer because he didn't in college, 669 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.160 he didn't his rookie year, and he hasn't so far 670 00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:53.599 this year. 671 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:55.440 He was really good last night. 672 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:58.319 But essentially we have two and a half years where 673 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:00.960 the splits are like thirty eight percent from a floor 674 00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:04.799 in like thirty percent from three He's only twenty. But 675 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.480 at what point does that sample size become so big 676 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.599 where you're concerned about simply his inability to make shots. 677 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.720 As simple as that sounds. 678 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:14.599 I mean, you can be concerned about it now, but 679 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.720 you're not going to pull the plug on you know, 680 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.559 you're not going to pull the plug on him, like 681 00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:23.680 you're going to at least see it through this season, 682 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.359 you know, I would think in the next season, you know, 683 00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.839 in fairness to him, he didn't come into college or 684 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.240 or the NBA with like a physically mature body. I 685 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.200 do think he's improved his sazique, you know, over the summer, 686 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:43.400 you know. And another thing is he's learning to play 687 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.960 point guard in the NBA, not just how to play 688 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.519 point guard in the league, but how to play point 689 00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.680 guard period, you know, and that's a pretty massive challenge. 690 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.880 So I would give him, you know, it'd be a 691 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.279 different situation if he was if he was drafted by 692 00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.720 a good team. If he's dropped by a good team, 693 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.680 he's probably not getting minutes now. But that's not the 694 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.359 situation he's in, So I think he'd gotta be patient 695 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:08.480 and give him a little bit of grace. 696 00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.880 Yeah, for sure. And to your point, they're only going 697 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.279 to play youngsters, all right. Moving away from the jazz here, 698 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:19.880 let's talk about your take on the latest. Everyone hates 699 00:32:19.960 --> 00:32:24.880 Rudy's story, Christian brown smashes on him, and you know, 700 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:28.480 I have always been a stand up for Rudy guy, 701 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.799 just because I saw how great he was in this community. 702 00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:32.359 I was over there when he you know, I was 703 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.519 working for the Jazz Radio Network when he was with 704 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.359 the Jazz But there are some times where you just 705 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.720 kind of can't stand up for him and you start 706 00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:43.359 to make allowance. I still think it's bullying. I still 707 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.640 think it's rude, and I still think he's a good dude. 708 00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.920 But it seems like this time around, most of the 709 00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:50.680 people were not necessarily backing him up, even the ones 710 00:32:50.720 --> 00:32:51.359 that typically do. 711 00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:52.400 Is that fair? 712 00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:56.960 You know, I didn't think it was honestly that huge 713 00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.200 of the deal. I was actually at that game. I 714 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.160 talked to Rudy afterwards. I talked to Christian Brown afterwards. 715 00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.559 Neither one of those guys were really a bit too 716 00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.480 worked up about it. It was a competitive moment. I mean, 717 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.039 Christian Brown absolutely dunked the hell out of the ball 718 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.400 and then put a highlight on Rudy's head. There's no 719 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:18.000 question about that. He was amped up. You know, he's 720 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:20.920 kind of flexed and celebrated by you know, stepping into 721 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.400 Rudy's space and hollering a little bit. Fludy gave him 722 00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:25.960 I don't know if you'd call it a club, but 723 00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:28.079 it was like a little pass rush move to decide 724 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.880 of the neck there, and there was some wolfing, you know, 725 00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.279 Russ came in and did Russ type of stuff and 726 00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:39.599 you know, and that was that. But post game, you know, 727 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.319 Rudy's like, hey, I get it. He was fired up. 728 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:44.039 He stepped my space and then you know, a whole 729 00:33:44.039 --> 00:33:46.640 lot of nothing happened. You know, he said, I actually 730 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.039 think he's a really good player and a good kid. 731 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:52.319 And you know Christian Brown, who, by the way, he 732 00:33:52.319 --> 00:33:54.119 got Rudy a couple of times last year or too. 733 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.839 I mean, Christian Brown, for all that's going wrong with 734 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.400 the Nuggets, he's a pretty promising young player. Deceptively athletic, 735 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.640 he might say. But you know, he said, hey, you know, 736 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:10.639 I got so fired up because he's Rudy Gobert is 737 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:12.719 one of the best REM protectors in the league. He said, 738 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.960 the best remprotector in the league. And you know, his 739 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:20.079 take was, actually he was he regretted his celebration, not 740 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:24.400 because of you know, the disrespect or whatever, but he's like, dude, 741 00:34:24.519 --> 00:34:27.519 I cost my team momentum. They're on an eleven zero 742 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.239 run and then they end up blowing a ten point lead, 743 00:34:30.599 --> 00:34:33.199 and he said the devil technicals cost his team momentum. 744 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:37.360 So you know, look, anytime Gobert gets dunked on and 745 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:39.960 Matt's the tacks or fashion, it is going to be 746 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.280 a thing, right, It's going to go viral. People are 747 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:48.639 going to hoot and hohorah. As far as the celebration 748 00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.039 and his reaction and all that, neither one of those 749 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:54.320 guys thought it was a real big deal. So I'm 750 00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:55.599 not going to be too up at arms back. I 751 00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:59.159 will say I didn't think Rudy should have been in 752 00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:00.920 the game at that point because I thought he should 753 00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:03.599 have get kicked out. It was a flagrant one when 754 00:35:03.639 --> 00:35:08.519 he elbowed Joker on the job boy during that review, 755 00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:11.199 I thought Rudy was about to head to the locker room. 756 00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.960 But look, man, I was in the Mavericks locker room 757 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.320 a couple of nights before that. Per few nights before 758 00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:19.000 that when they played the Wolves, I was in the 759 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.719 Nuggets' locker room. Like it's no secret I wrote the 760 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:25.199 whole thing about this last year. Players around the league 761 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:29.519 do not like Rudy for whatever reason, and that's just 762 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.079 you know, that's just the reality of the situation. I 763 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.039 think he's the most disrespected star caliber player in the league. 764 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:39.800 You know, he's not always in the right. But I 765 00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.519 didn't think this was some like major international incident here. 766 00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.559 I just thought it was a spectacular play that you know, 767 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:49.280 they got a little huffy and puffy afterwards. 768 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.119 So I'm asking you about the Timberwolves intentionally and the 769 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:57.800 Cavs intentionally because the Jazz draft capital returns begin the 770 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.239 season and it doesn't look like I mean, when when 771 00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:04.800 Ruy Hatcha Mura said their scouting report on Julius Randalls 772 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:06.960 that he just stands there on defense and therefore they 773 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:10.800 were just going to backdoor cut, I'm like, Okay, you 774 00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:12.320 don't love that fit with Minnesota. 775 00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:14.280 Maybe they're not going to be great this year. Mike 776 00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:15.119 does look old. 777 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.440 But how real is this eight n O start from 778 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.199 the calves with a new coaching staff and a team 779 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:22.639 right now that looks really connected. 780 00:36:23.679 --> 00:36:25.079 I mean, I don't think they're going to go eighty 781 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.039 two and oh but how many games do they win 782 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:31.599 last year? Correct me? I mean it's right round fifty 783 00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.400 and that was with all kinds of health problems. You know, 784 00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:39.440 Darius Garland had a broken John and really struggled last Sea. 785 00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.920 You know, obviously break your Day or Jos wier shite. 786 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.719 There's a bunch of time, there's much weight completely, they 787 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:49.000 had a rhythm, Donovan had all kinds of neat problems. 788 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.559 You know, if they're healthy, they're going to be good. 789 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.639 I don't know that they're going to be number one 790 00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:56.559 seed in the East good. But right now, if you 791 00:36:56.639 --> 00:36:59.760 told me the Calves finished the season with fifty five 792 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.440 sixty seven wins and and the number two seed in 793 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.360 the East, I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I look, 794 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.800 I still think Minnesota is the top three team in 795 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.800 the Western Conference. They've got some things to figure out defensively, 796 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:18.400 but I like their odds there. And you know, they're 797 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.800 happy with Julius Randon. They're especially happy with kind of 798 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:25.800 a dynamic between Randall and uh and and Edwards. And 799 00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.760 I feel like Randall takes a little bit uh you know, 800 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.239 he eases the burden on an while also setting them up. 801 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:36.559 You know, ants catching twot threes their way up. That's 802 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.000 a large part because Rangdell sets them up for those 803 00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.079 man it can take a lot of the uh, you know, 804 00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:49.440 the the attacking, initiating, facilitating responsibilities off ants Playton. You know, 805 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.440 fins tell you the hope there is that can rest 806 00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:54.880 a little bit on offense instead of taking some possessions 807 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:55.679 off defensively. 808 00:37:56.440 --> 00:37:58.719 Fifty one wins for the Cavs last year, so you 809 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:00.000 were close to knocking that out. 810 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:00.360 Tim. 811 00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.880 Yeah, I appreciate your time. Have a great week. It's 812 00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:04.599 great to have basketball back, and we'll chat too. 813 00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:06.920 I appreciate it, brother, all right. 814 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:07.280 Great. 815 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.000 Tim McMahon covers the NBA for ESPN. He covers the 816 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.760 jazz for ESPN. That's why he is on our NBA 817 00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:16.840 Daily Assist. He's on Twitter at ESPN. Underscore McMahon is 818 00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.679 where you find him. Or Utah EYU tickets and you 819 00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:24.039 do not want to pay hundreds of dollars, Come on by, 820 00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:27.360 do a little good, donate some blood, get some megaplex 821 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.800 theaters gift cards, and then you'll be entered to win 822 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.719 tickets for Utah BYU coming up on Saturday night. 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I never I never shoved a columnist. 844 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:36.440 I'm sure. 845 00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:40.800 Oh yeah, there were some guys. I don't know if 846 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:42.159 I should say this, Spence. 847 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:44.119 No, no, no, no, we're here. You gotta say it now. 848 00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.000 Go ahead, Just don't even think about it. 849 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.239 Just say it. This is bad, Okay. I want to 850 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.880 hear it. This is really bad. So there was a guy. 851 00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.039 Let's say, the Detroit media. 852 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:57.599 Was kind of force brutal, and they still are, and this. 853 00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:03.639 Guy was one of the most brutal. And uh yeah 854 00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:07.480 he was. So I'm having a hard time saying this. 855 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:08.679 I'll just say I don't care. 856 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:14.079 There you go. Not a boy he died that escalated 857 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:15.320 and he was young. 858 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:16.480 When he died. 859 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.800 And this was after I had left Detroit. I can't 860 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.559 say that I shed many tears. 861 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.679 Oh it got that, you got that tough. 862 00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:29.760 It was. It was the I have. My mom was amazing. 863 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:36.159 She kept every every every newspaper article, everything, all of it. 864 00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:40.280 So so my whole entire career is documented and and 865 00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.119 the books. When I go through Detroit, I can just 866 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.320 open the book, look at the picture and go, did 867 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.960 we win or lose? If we lost, it was a 868 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:52.679 crumpled picture of me being, you know, mauled by the defenders. 869 00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.559 And if we won, it was this pristine picture of 870 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:56.280 Barry Sanders. 871 00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:58.199 So Barry got all the love. 872 00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.440 Oh yeah, of course, And and he was great and 873 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.079 he deserved it. But you know, it would have been 874 00:41:03.159 --> 00:41:05.480 nice to just every once in a while have a 875 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:10.239 picture where Okay, you know we won this game and 876 00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:11.039 they showed something good. 877 00:41:11.079 --> 00:41:12.639 They were they were not having it. 878 00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:16.719 Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes I I'll chuckle a little 879 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.440 bit if I hear one of our local teams or 880 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:22.320 PR people talk about the press in Salt Lake. 881 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.159 I'm like, what cause I you know, I grew up 882 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:26.760 in the New York market watching my. 883 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.320 Father get beat up every day by the thirteen daily 884 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:31.920 periodicals and the six sportstock radio stations. 885 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.239 Yes, so we have so many soft people here, so 886 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.400 many babies. I go, did you hear what they said 887 00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:38.599 about us on the radio? Did you hear what Gordon 888 00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.280 Monson wrote? I'm like, are you kidding? 889 00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.199 You wouldn't survive for five minutes anywhere other than Salt. 890 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.199 Lake, you cake, It's just ridiculous. 891 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.320 But anyway, rant over Scott, when we last spoke to 892 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.599 you about thirty thirty five minutes ago, I said, to 893 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.519 you off their, I said, look, when I listened to 894 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:59.400 Brandon Rose talked to the media yesterday, it sounded like 895 00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:00.840 a kid who thought he was going to start. 896 00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.360 And you referenced you had some clues after listening to 897 00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:03.800 coach Wit. 898 00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.800 Yeah, yeah, you know Coach Witting, And I don't have 899 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:10.920 personal information. You know, this is just speculation, it's reading 900 00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.519 the tea leaves, it's just kind of the nuances of voices. 901 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.239 And one of the things Coach Whittingham is he's a 902 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:21.039 very honest man, so he wants to answer the questions truthfully. 903 00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.840 But he's also you know, he's he understands. 904 00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.119 Gamemanship and and and you know, if you look at 905 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.280 the visiting locker room at right Cycle Stadium, you'll see 906 00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.920 that they're very much into we're not giving anything. 907 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:33.159 To our opponent. 908 00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:35.920 I mean, the locker is just it's a joke, it's uncomfortable. 909 00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.719 So any way he can get an advantage, and so 910 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:42.199 not telling anyone who the starter is is part of 911 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.719 that advantage. That that he kind of that's his mantra, 912 00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:47.400 that's what he does. But he was he was very 913 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.119 clear to me about if Isaac Wilson was a starter 914 00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.599 and Isaac Wilson has been the starter. I don't think 915 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.480 I don't think. I don't think that. I think he 916 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:58.559 would have just come out and said that. But he said, 917 00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:01.639 we have a plan, we know what we're doing, and 918 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:06.119 and I really think that was and for that, I think, 919 00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:08.599 you know, it was. It was Brandon Rose because I 920 00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.719 felt and I go, just go watch the film and 921 00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.320 I can sit down with you and I can show 922 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:15.199 you the film and I can show you the difference. 923 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.599 And and Brandon Rose really impressed me, like way through 924 00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.199 the ball went he through the ball, the decisions, he 925 00:43:22.320 --> 00:43:24.800 was just very decisive, he was very comfortable, and that 926 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:27.599 this was just Houston. Yeah, and he hasn't played Look, 927 00:43:27.639 --> 00:43:30.119 I understand he hasn't played much, but he didn't walk 928 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.880 walk into cam Rising hadn't played much, and he steps 929 00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:34.440 in the game against San Diego State, and all of 930 00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:35.760 a sudden, it's like it was different. 931 00:43:36.559 --> 00:43:38.440 And that's what I saw with Brandon Rose. 932 00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.800 And I understand, you know, it's a small sample, but 933 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.400 a very small sample. That kind of gave me some encouragement. Now, 934 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.800 Isaac Isaac Wilson, I'm not I'm not like against Isaac Wilson. 935 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.679 I'm not down on Isaac Wilson. He's young and and 936 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:56.280 and you can see that that maturity level is just 937 00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:01.840 really hard for a young guy to really go through 938 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.159 the whole season and mentally be there. If you've ever 939 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.320 been through a football season, let me tell you how 940 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.280 it is. It's a grind it wears on you mentally, 941 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.719 it wears on you physically. They're they're a month into 942 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:17.679 football before they ever play a game. Coach Whittingham is 943 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.639 not a he you know, you want to talk about 944 00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.719 tough media, He's a tough coach. His camps camp Kyle 945 00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:27.000 is not for the light, you know that the timid 946 00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.199 and and uh and so just that grind of going 947 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:31.880 through all of that is is a tough thing. And 948 00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.360 that's what makes these teams, you know, tough during during 949 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.719 the season. And and he and it's it's it's who 950 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.679 he is, it's what he is. But when you have 951 00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:42.760 a young quarterback he's trying to figure out things, it's 952 00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:47.480 just it's just hard to to it's hard to almost breathe. 953 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:49.599 You know, you just feel like it feel like you're 954 00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.119 you're swimming. To some degree, I haven't seen from Isaac 955 00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:54.519 any growth. 956 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:56.519 You know, you want to see. 957 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.360 That turjectory, and it's just been flat, if like dipping, 958 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.480 you know, the game. You know, every game just looks 959 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:05.920 like the same game. And so there hasn't there just 960 00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:08.039 hasn't been anything. And so it just just tells me 961 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:12.119 he's still young, still still learning, still trying to figure 962 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:12.440 it out. 963 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.840 So I feel like Scott, if Utah is gonna win 964 00:45:15.880 --> 00:45:17.679 this football game, because the fact of the matter is 965 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.920 they have not scored more than twenty three points against 966 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.920 the p fourteen. Right, they hung forty nine on Southern Utah, 967 00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:27.000 they hung thirty eight on Utah State. But they're high 968 00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.599 as twenty three against Baylor, twenty two against Okay State, 969 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:33.400 and then it's been ten nineteen, seven, fourteen, it feels 970 00:45:33.480 --> 00:45:35.320 like if Utah's going to win this game, and as 971 00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:39.719 you outlined earlier, there's no data that indicates Utah is 972 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:40.800 the better football team. 973 00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.039 But this game is weird. 974 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.360 It always is, So it feels like if Utah's gonna win, 975 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:47.639 it has to be like seventeen. 976 00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:48.679 Fourteen or something. 977 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:51.480 I mean, do you anticipate coach Witt trying to really 978 00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.119 slow it down and Ryde McKay as much as you 979 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:56.519 can and try to keep retz Laf off the field? 980 00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:57.280 Like, how did you? 981 00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.000 I guess the better way to ask it is, how 982 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.000 does Utah win this football? 983 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:00.920 Well? 984 00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.840 I think this offense when you saw Cam Rising in 985 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.840 the game, was actually explosive when he was healthy, not 986 00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:11.639 when he came back. And and I don't know how 987 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.880 good this offense. I know this players are good, they're talented. 988 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:18.039 They lost money Parks. That hurts because he's a deep threat, 989 00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:22.840 and he's a legitimate deep threat. So you just haven't 990 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:26.599 seen a quarterback back there that can really, you know, 991 00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.519 take this offense out of second gear, you know, and like, 992 00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.719 let's get it out there and let's really see what happens. 993 00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.639 I think there's the potential of the offense being explosive, 994 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.800 and I'm really curious to see what Brandon Rose could 995 00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:39.199 do with that. 996 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:42.719 You still feel like there's an explosive offensive performance left 997 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:43.280 on this roster. 998 00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.719 There's just too much talent at the skill position, with 999 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:50.159 the tight ends, with the wide receivers that it's just 1000 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.719 been inexperienced quarterback play and in an injured quarterback play. 1001 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:58.159 And to me, the quarterbacks in college football make a 1002 00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:01.159 huge difference. I mean it's been a difference for BYU, 1003 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:03.719 there's been a difference for every team in the country 1004 00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.920 that's doing well. Is you have an electrifying, game changing 1005 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.000 quarterback and you just have to have that, and Utah 1006 00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:11.719 hasn't had it. 1007 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:15.559 I think Utah's defense has done an. 1008 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.079 Exceptional job this year, for sure. 1009 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.880 But you've got to have You know, I don't think 1010 00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:24.639 seventeen points. I don't think having a defensive battle. I 1011 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.400 don't think it wins the game for you. I think 1012 00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.880 you've got to You've got to be explosive. You've got 1013 00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.559 to be in the high twenties to maybe thirty points 1014 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.119 if you're going to have any shot in this game. 1015 00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.679 If you're you're the offense. And we don't know Brandon Rose. 1016 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.239 We know what would happen if Isaacson, there's probably not 1017 00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:41.800 going to happen, but maybe you get a little explosive 1018 00:47:41.840 --> 00:47:42.639 with Brandon Rose. 1019 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.519 Who do you think the best defense is the Utah 1020 00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:45.679 has seen so far this year? 1021 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:47.639 You know, you know Houston. 1022 00:47:48.480 --> 00:47:51.280 Okay, Houston was actually they were, and they were one 1023 00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.519 of the one of the top defenses in the country. 1024 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:55.280 But here here's this is hard too. 1025 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:59.199 It's hard because every defense that plays Utah plays them 1026 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.679 a certain way. Right, they lowed the box. They dare 1027 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:05.480 Utah to throw the football. I mean, I mean, oh, 1028 00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.280 Oklahoma State did it, every Arizona did it. Arizona State 1029 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.639 did it. Every single team except. 1030 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:13.920 Baylor because Cam was underd Yeah, right. 1031 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.280 And they all they all just said we're gonna crowd 1032 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.599 the box. We're gonna we're gonna be really aggressive play 1033 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.840 down hill, and so you do a lot of run blitzer, 1034 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.880 so you get that early penetration so that the run 1035 00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.000 game just gets blown up because they don't care, like 1036 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.920 we'll throw caution to the win because because you're consistently 1037 00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:32.719 not gonna beat us on the outside. And and the 1038 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.920 defense has kept the offense in every game and Utah 1039 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.920 has done nothing, nothing to scare defenses out of that. Look, 1040 00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:42.320 it's like every week I see the same I just 1041 00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:45.320 see the same thing that's gonna happen. And and uh, 1042 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.679 but but I really really thought of all the defenses 1043 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.320 that that probably the best was Houston. 1044 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:54.599 Yeah, and look they just be case State. 1045 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.039 I mean I asked the question because I look, I 1046 00:48:58.920 --> 00:48:59.920 was prior to. 1047 00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:03.199 I would say the TCU loss. 1048 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:07.079 I was the radio host holding on to the final 1049 00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.960 branch before I hit the ground. And it felt like 1050 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.000 everybody else's face was in the mud because prior to 1051 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.199 the TCU loss, everything was still on the table. 1052 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:16.760 You know, you can get in with two losses. 1053 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:18.800 You have a schedule with head to head with other 1054 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:22.280 teams in front of you, and now I just have 1055 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.280 to be honest, my optimism for any sort of explosive 1056 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.800 offensive performance Scott is not here today, which is why 1057 00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:31.280 I pose the question, because it feels like if Utah 1058 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.239 is gonna win John P's four and a score, defense scores, 1059 00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:36.320 they turn Byu over in a way they haven't turned 1060 00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.880 anybody over all year. They're opportunistic, they get a special 1061 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:43.519 teams or a defensive touchdown and Brandon just doesn't turn 1062 00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:45.960 it over and they cruise to some sort of seventeen 1063 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.719 to ten type victory. But there's a chance BYU's defense 1064 00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.239 will be as tough of a defense that Utah's offense 1065 00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:56.559 has ever seen. So based off your knowledge of defenses 1066 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.320 and how you've outlined the way teams are trying to 1067 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:01.760 play against Utah, we anticipate that it is Brandon, So 1068 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:03.800 Byu is probably going to sell out to stop the 1069 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.880 run like everyone else has. You're Mike Bijakian. How do 1070 00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:09.599 you take advantage of that defensive attack and scores score 1071 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.119 some points in a way that we haven't seen. 1072 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:11.440 In a while. 1073 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.639 Well, for me, everything always starts at first down. I mean, 1074 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:16.760 it's just it's just you have to start there, and 1075 00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:20.519 so you have to be willing to get explosive on 1076 00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:23.159 early downs and and in the early part of a series. 1077 00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.000 This is something about you get off to a good play, 1078 00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:30.360 a good start in a drive, everything just just flows. 1079 00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:33.719 And with a guy who can throw it down the field, 1080 00:50:33.800 --> 00:50:35.639 a guy who's willing to throw it down the field. 1081 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:36.599 Uh. 1082 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:38.519 And and the play action game is such a big 1083 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.639 part of what Utah has done in the past. It 1084 00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:43.679 gives you those chunk plays. So there are some play 1085 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.960 action parts to to the offense that I would incorporate. 1086 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.639 But I would I would be willing to open it 1087 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.199 up on early downs and throw and throw the football. 1088 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:53.840 And I keep saying it. 1089 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:55.760 I feel like I'm a broken record with this, but 1090 00:50:56.280 --> 00:50:59.719 I mean, the tight ends have been so massively under 1091 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:02.639 util lines. Yeah, and there's there's just a lot of 1092 00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.840 confidence building plays that tight ends bring to an offense 1093 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.039 that if you'll use it, they're there there and they're open, 1094 00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.079 and they're just they're high percentage easy throws that they 1095 00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.400 might be a seven or eight yard catch which turns 1096 00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.760 into an eleven yard game. You know, if you throw 1097 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.400 it on time and you throw it accurately. Uh, those 1098 00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.320 are the things you get. You've got to You've got 1099 00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:26.480 to really break out of this extra guy in the 1100 00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:28.679 box kind of thing, and you've got to try to 1101 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.519 be a little bit more explosive. The answer last week was, 1102 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.079 you know, early it was just like, we're gonna throw screens. 1103 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.599 We're gonna and and it worked once or twice, and 1104 00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:39.599 and the and the bubble screens, you know, the one 1105 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.519 to Keithy work. But then the rest of the game 1106 00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:44.440 you know that it didn't work at all. And I 1107 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:49.159 but I just really think Brandon Rose brings an element 1108 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:52.239 of being able to throw the ball down the field 1109 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:56.079 and his ability to actually run and run decisively when 1110 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:56.880 things aren't there. 1111 00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.840 Maybe that key that kind of unlocks this offense. 1112 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.320 I want to go back to something you referenced in 1113 00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:04.760 our first hit to start the show, and just to 1114 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.039 throw a few names. 1115 00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:07.599 We talked about a few of these earlier. 1116 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.679 The Scott Mitchells of the world who in ninety eight 1117 00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.960 goes for three eighty four and three touchdowns, the Eddie 1118 00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.320 Johnson's of the world, the Mike McCoy's, the Jamal Anderson's, 1119 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:21.800 the Chris Fua Matzamahafala, the Brandon Warfields, the Steven Savoys, 1120 00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:24.960 the Brett Ratliffs, the Brian Johnson's, the John Whites, the 1121 00:52:25.039 --> 00:52:29.039 Joe Williams, the Brandon Burton for the block. The fact 1122 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.440 of the matter is you can be remembered as a 1123 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.960 legend with one great game against Brigham Young. 1124 00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:37.000 But as you referenced, and if. 1125 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:39.400 You pull up both to be fair, if you pull 1126 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:51.800 up both Utah and BYU's roster, you see players from California, Washington, Texas, Florida, Canada, California, Arizona, 1127 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.480 and I could keep going Kahuku. Obviously, I don't know 1128 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:58.159 what the percentage is. There's a good amount of players 1129 00:52:58.199 --> 00:52:59.119 on both teams. 1130 00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:00.519 It did not grow up here. 1131 00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:02.800 I think it's fair to say maybe back when you 1132 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:04.679 were playing, there was more of a local presence on 1133 00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:08.440 both rosters generally speaking. So if your coach with if 1134 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:13.400 you're obviously the coaching staffs from both teams know exactly 1135 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.760 what's at stake on Saturday, how do you get the 1136 00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:19.559 message across from a to a kid from Rosenberg, Texas, Like, dude, 1137 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:20.400 Saturday is different. 1138 00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:22.519 I'm sorry if you don't fully understand, but it just is. 1139 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:24.400 I think it's really hard. 1140 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.679 Again, I thought it would be one of the biggest challenges, 1141 00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:31.920 one of the biggest concerns for Utah because they've been out, 1142 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:36.079 they haven't been conference foes for so long. And you 1143 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:38.320 can be from a different state, you can be from 1144 00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:40.639 a different you know, part of the country, and and 1145 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.239 but if you've been conference foes for a while, like 1146 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:44.840 it matters. 1147 00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:45.199 Yeah. 1148 00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:49.159 I remember interviewing the players from USC and the PAC 1149 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:51.920 twelve media days and they're like, you know, do you 1150 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:55.079 like having that late season game against Notre Dame? 1151 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:56.039 You know, because it. 1152 00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.079 Can really in there, like like we would never give that, 1153 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:02.480 Like that game means so much to us and so 1154 00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:06.239 understanding and being in the thick of a rivalry that matters. 1155 00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:10.480 I don't care where you're from, it'll matter right now. 1156 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.480 They haven't been conference foes, and I think and for that, 1157 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.599 I think b YU has a harder challenge because they 1158 00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.800 have so much more to lose, you know, and so 1159 00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:23.519 there's so much more pressure on on BYU and this gin. 1160 00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.840 There's like no pressure on Utah. It's just like the 1161 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:28.320 expectation for people is Utah is gonna lose this game, 1162 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.159 like like like the expectation is there is no expectation, 1163 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:34.599 and where with BYU, it's like, man, you better not 1164 00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.719 lose it. You can't throw away this amazing season just 1165 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.840 by losing to them. And there's there's that pressure that's 1166 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:44.639 built in there, and that's when things get funny, you know, 1167 00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.320 because then the players, you know, you play tight, you 1168 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:49.639 play you know out of the like, don't lose this 1169 00:54:49.760 --> 00:54:52.920 game mentality as opposed to let's go win the game mentality. 1170 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:55.880 And and that's when you start to see the mistakes. 1171 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:58.760 And that's where I think Utah has the advantage in 1172 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.920 this game, is when it when the pressure really is 1173 00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:03.800 all on BYU to play well. 1174 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:07.719 So let's continue the quarterback conversation, but let's switch over 1175 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.119 to what you've seen from Jake. Jake Rhetz laugh who 1176 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.159 last year in four starts, lost all four of them. 1177 00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:16.519 And I watched every minute of those games. He made 1178 00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:19.960 so many errors, not just the ones he paid for. 1179 00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:22.239 He had throws that should have been picked off. He 1180 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.119 had fumbles that were covered by his own team. It 1181 00:55:24.159 --> 00:55:27.960 was a comedy of errors of sorts. Obviously that kid 1182 00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:30.800 put in some serious work. I was told that it 1183 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:34.119 really wasn't a QB competition. A Rod thought Jake had 1184 00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:36.159 put in the work in the offseason. They'd seen enough 1185 00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:40.360 raw potential. There are now to your point about Utah's defense. 1186 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.800 If you're a YOUTE fan, here's why you should be 1187 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:44.039 relatively optimistic. 1188 00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:45.639 The problem is Utah football. 1189 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:48.639 For everything you said about their d because most of 1190 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:50.559 the numbers indicate they're a top two or three d 1191 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.840 in conference except for two, they don't get to the 1192 00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:56.280 quarterback and they don't force turnovers. But for all of 1193 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:59.760 Jake's brilliance this year, there are still three or four 1194 00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:03.360 moments every game where you're like, that should have been picked, 1195 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:04.760 you should have paid for that. 1196 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:08.320 So he's been really good. I'm not knocking off. But 1197 00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:10.880 if your Utah's defense are those Jake. 1198 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:16.679 And you go, well, we haven't turned the ball, we 1199 00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.400 haven't got turnovers a lot, we haven't got to the 1200 00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:22.280 quarterback percentages. Just say it will come inevitable. 1201 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.920 It's inevitable that can happen, right, And a lot of 1202 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.239 it has been game situations. A lot of it's been 1203 00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:30.119 a lot of teams have been really really conservative playing 1204 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:31.039 this Utah defense. 1205 00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.159 They have not let the quarterback sit in the pocket. 1206 00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:35.719 They haven't had to because you're not playing from behind, 1207 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.480 you're not you know, So the one element that and 1208 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:42.199 that's on the offense. The offense doesn't put pressure on 1209 00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:45.239 the other team's offense because we don't have to score 1210 00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:46.920 because you guys suck. 1211 00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:48.400 Off. 1212 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.519 And so so those are a little misleading because I 1213 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.800 like a lot of what this defense is and what 1214 00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:57.000 they've done. They've just been they've been in some really 1215 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.400 unfortunate tough situations. 1216 00:56:58.400 --> 00:57:00.719 And meat and potato metrics are good, good against the run, 1217 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.119 they're good against the past, the good efficiency. 1218 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:06.599 Yes, and and and under duress because there have been 1219 00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:08.840 a lot of three and outs made eleven punts, you know, 1220 00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.679 I think against TCU and and you just do you 1221 00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:14.039 get tired, You get worn down in a game, and 1222 00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:16.719 it's and it's hard to to stay at that high 1223 00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:20.159 level every single play, every single series. And that's why 1224 00:57:20.199 --> 00:57:22.760 you see kind of these big plays that happened from 1225 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:25.559 time to time because someone just got tired and they 1226 00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:27.960 just didn't quite get to their gap where they're supposed 1227 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:28.239 to be. 1228 00:57:28.920 --> 00:57:31.280 And that you know, that's just the product of just 1229 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:31.920 being tired. 1230 00:57:32.320 --> 00:57:36.280 But yes, so so what what Jake reds Laft has 1231 00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.199 done is he's just made some plays at the right time, 1232 00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:43.400 and he's made plays running the football. And but there's 1233 00:57:43.440 --> 00:57:45.920 a little bit of I've lived on some borrowed time here, 1234 00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:48.840 and that catches up with you eventually. You know, you 1235 00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:50.559 you live by a certain way and you're gonna die 1236 00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:52.599 by it eventually, because that's just that's just the way 1237 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.119 things are. And and I and that's to me, the 1238 00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.639 pressure of this. You know, can you create enough pressure 1239 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.320 about this game? Can you put enough pressure on him 1240 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.599 to where you know he's gonna he's gonna give you 1241 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.239 a turnover? Because I think turnovers are going to be 1242 00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.559 a huge part of this game. They always are, and 1243 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:12.320 and and I think a lot of it is because 1244 00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.159 of that weirdness and that extra pressure that happens in 1245 00:58:16.239 --> 00:58:20.880 this game. To me, it's about stopping him running more 1246 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:22.880 than it is stopping him throwing the football. 1247 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.360 And I think if you talk and do that, you 1248 00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.000 know they're they're gonna have a chance. You know. 1249 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:29.840 To me, I think your defense is gonna give you 1250 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:31.920 a chance no matter what. I think they're really going 1251 00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:33.599 to give him a chance if they can do that. 1252 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:38.119 And and it's just can the offense produce enough? Can 1253 00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:41.360 you find other opportunities? So maybe you play a little 1254 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.239 bit more aggressive on defense to try to get interceptions. 1255 00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.360 Maybe you open up your special teams to try to, hey, 1256 00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.559 let's get a return somewhere somehow, let's go after and 1257 00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.280 you talk did that a little bit. They went after 1258 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.960 the punter a couple of times in the Houston game 1259 00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:56.840 last week because you got to figure out, you know, 1260 00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.599 somewhere to manufacture enough another offense. 1261 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.280 But the quarterback, to me, really it's it's a b 1262 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:06.119 y u is. 1263 00:59:06.480 --> 00:59:09.480 Everyone's just playing with a lot of enthusiasm. You know, 1264 00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.599 they're just playing hard. I don't know that they're extra 1265 00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.360 special talent wise or whatever. I don't I don't know 1266 00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:19.000 talent wise, you know, I don't know that it's very 1267 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.960 different across the board in the conference. But there's just 1268 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.800 they're just having fun playing football. They're energized, they believe 1269 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:29.239 in what they're doing, and and that that you find 1270 00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.559 ways to create opportunities on the field when you play 1271 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:32.840 like that. 1272 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:34.920 One more thing for the segment that we're gonna grab 1273 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.760 my guy Mikey here. So I referenced when you were playing, 1274 00:59:39.960 --> 00:59:42.360 it felt like there were just more local players on 1275 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:43.639 each roster who got it. 1276 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:46.039 But there weren't. They weren't all local players. 1277 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:48.840 So what was it like for you as somebody who 1278 00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:51.519 was a local, to explain to your teammates who didn't 1279 00:59:51.519 --> 00:59:53.800 grow up here what this game is actually like. 1280 00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:54.599 H. 1281 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:57.920 Okay, I have a funny story, jar. 1282 00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:04.280 And so we they someone from BYU painted the U blue, right, 1283 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:07.760 and our players did not like that, right, And so 1284 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:09.599 some of them were gonna go down and they were 1285 01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.159 gonna they were gonna paint something red in Provo. Okay, 1286 01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:17.960 and they were players of color. And I said to them, 1287 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:21.719 understand your enthusiasm here, but you're gonna stick. 1288 01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:22.119 Out in Provo. 1289 01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:23.239 Maybe don't do that down there. 1290 01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:24.400 You're gonna they're. 1291 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:26.760 Gonna, they're gonna go You're not from here, right, And 1292 01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:30.800 so they end up going down there, and they they 1293 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.800 tried to paint the cougar at outside the stadium red 1294 01:00:34.039 --> 01:00:36.480 and they were arrested before they got they got there. 1295 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:42.920 But it it really didn't take long for anyone to 1296 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:48.639 understand this rivalry in my time, because BYU was so 1297 01:00:48.880 --> 01:00:51.920 they were so arrogant about and. 1298 01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:52.480 They had the right. 1299 01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.480 I mean again, fifteen out of sixteen, I mean BYU 1300 01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:00.920 had it going on two yeah, right, yeah right, And so. 1301 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:05.679 No one took that lightly. Whether it just it didn't. 1302 01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:09.559 Matter, it wasn't it wasn't hard in that game. It's like, 1303 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.679 all right, guys, you've set yourself out there, you better 1304 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:14.760 come out ready to play. And they did, and we 1305 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:16.840 actually lost that game. I think it was it was 1306 01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:19.079 like twenty one seventeen or something. It was, it was 1307 01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.239 in nineteen eighty seven. It was a close, close game. 1308 01:01:22.280 --> 01:01:26.480 But yeah, we understood everyone understood the rivalry and it 1309 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.800 probably meant more to us to win it and to 1310 01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:30.519 play in it than I think than I think b 1311 01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:31.480 yu more. 1312 01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.559 With Scott coming up on the other side, we are 1313 01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.360 going to bring in Austin Collie today. Magic Happens on 1314 01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.639 the program. We also have Riley Jensen later on as well. 1315 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.199 Airup wants your blood. 1316 01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:45.079 Come donate during Rivalry Week on November fifth. 1317 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.280 Let's see if your blood is red or blue, and 1318 01:01:47.320 --> 01:01:49.920 you might even win a pair of game tickets. Arup 1319 01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:55.119 fell Trade deadline today. Cowboys are weird. Just gonna say that. 1320 01:01:56.440 --> 01:02:00.760 Arup Blood Services ninety seven eighty six South, five hundred West, Sandy. 1321 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.119 Come on, buy donate some blood we needed this time 1322 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:03.519 of year. 1323 01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:06.280 And you can enter to win tickets for BYU Utah 1324 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:10.000 football on Saturday night, and you can also grab a 1325 01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.320 Megaplex movie pass, you can get the autograph of the 1326 01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.199 man who slayed the Mighty Giant back in nineteen eighty eight. 1327 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:19.719 Scott Mitchell's here live on site for another big, long, 1328 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:23.800 juicy football segment. All right, Scott, So we are of 1329 01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:26.199 the same mind that we do believe it's Brandon Rose 1330 01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:32.280 over Isaac Wilson. As we've talked about, what's what's the difference? 1331 01:02:32.599 --> 01:02:34.800 Does it make a difference in your mind? Obviously the 1332 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:38.559 position is of utmost importance, and you reference you liked 1333 01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:40.800 what you saw on tape from Brandon against Houston. 1334 01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.960 What's a reasonable expectation for you fans? With a play 1335 01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:47.519 caller who will have his second game under his belt 1336 01:02:47.880 --> 01:02:49.800 and a young man who we both believe is going 1337 01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:51.400 to make his first college football start. 1338 01:02:52.280 --> 01:02:57.360 The biggest difference happens when the players believe, right, it's 1339 01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.079 not so much the quarterback, it's all the people around you. 1340 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.320 You go and there's a there's a tendency to try 1341 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.239 a little bit harder, and it's not it's not a 1342 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.320 conscious thing per se. Maybe sometimes it is, you know whatever, 1343 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:11.559 but but most of the time it's like, Okay, hey, 1344 01:03:11.559 --> 01:03:13.440 we got a guy in here. He's gonna get me 1345 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.559 the ball, and and and uh, he's gonna make plays. 1346 01:03:16.599 --> 01:03:19.159 We're gonna we're gonna have a chance. It's it's that 1347 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:23.800 whole mindset of hope. And when you have someone in there, 1348 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.639 whether you know, whether they have more talent, they do 1349 01:03:27.679 --> 01:03:30.719 a better job. But if the players believe in that guy, 1350 01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:34.320 that that can really just that can change the dynamic 1351 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:39.039 like like nobody's business. It's it's the mindset is such 1352 01:03:39.119 --> 01:03:42.719 a powerful thing, especially for these college kids, you know 1353 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.199 where where they're they're they're still trying to figure out 1354 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.239 and find their confidence and their belief, you know, because 1355 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.239 when you you start looking at this offense and it's 1356 01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:56.719 just lost its confidence, Cam Rising he just oozed confidence 1357 01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:59.679 and he just brought that to the table and lifted 1358 01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:02.679 not only the offense, but like the whole entire team. 1359 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:04.480 So you get a guy out there that kind of 1360 01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:08.320 changes that everybody, even the coaches, you know, even the 1361 01:04:08.360 --> 01:04:11.719 defense even you know, if you get someone we got 1362 01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:13.599 a guy in here, we know we can win, You're 1363 01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:17.000 gonna get a better, more consistent effort from everybody. 1364 01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:19.360 So I want to ask you about the Houston game, 1365 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:21.840 And as you pointed out earlier, I mean, look at 1366 01:04:21.840 --> 01:04:24.000 this point, like this week, we were supposed to do 1367 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.920 our Big twelve Power rankings. Yeah, and I'm like, let's 1368 01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:29.400 kill the segment because I would say it's b YU one. 1369 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.119 Then everyone else tied to through, so I. 1370 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.000 Don't know who's good and Houston just BATK State, So 1371 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.400 maybe they figured some things out. That was game one 1372 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:40.800 for Mike Jacan. You played the position at the highest 1373 01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:45.000 of levels. Did you notice anything different with the play calling? 1374 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:45.360 Is? 1375 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.440 Did he put his own stamp on that game at all? 1376 01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:49.159 I don't know that. 1377 01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:52.800 I don't know that it was significantly different. They've they've 1378 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:56.960 ran an actual screen and and it worked, and it 1379 01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:59.440 you know, and and so that was maybe a little difference, 1380 01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:02.480 but everything else because you don't want to just like 1381 01:05:02.599 --> 01:05:04.199 fire sell the whole entire office. 1382 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:04.679 You can't. 1383 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.079 You can't learn those other those players can't learn a 1384 01:05:07.159 --> 01:05:11.199 new system. It's just impossible and learn it and feel 1385 01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:13.519 confident to go run in game situations. 1386 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:15.760 So you're it's gonna be the same plays. 1387 01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:18.800 Uh, you know that Andy's had and you don't want 1388 01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:20.039 to change it because the players are good. 1389 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:21.599 It's not it's not a it's not a question. 1390 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:25.000 It's about executing the plays and and about you know, 1391 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:29.000 making making plays, it's about converting third downs, it's about 1392 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.480 you know, just those fundamental things. I think we talked 1393 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.360 about them where there was this lack of focus with 1394 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:40.199 coming back to the football, catching the football, offensive lineman, 1395 01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.719 going off sides, and and and that to me said 1396 01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:47.679 this this team is not having the discipline to prepare 1397 01:05:47.760 --> 01:05:51.719 themselves to play because you see those those those are 1398 01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.079 those are absolute fundamental things that have to happen when 1399 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:58.920 you play, and it takes a level of comp uh, 1400 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:03.840 focus and concentration. But also it's it's the discipline to 1401 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.000 do it during week the week, doing it every single day, 1402 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.719 where they become just the habits of who you are. 1403 01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:12.039 And when you're kind of going through the motions you're 1404 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:15.039 not believing in things, that's when that's when you see 1405 01:06:15.039 --> 01:06:18.000 that that that offense really sputter. And that's that's what 1406 01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:19.880 I've seen with this this Utah team. 1407 01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:23.599 So it's very safe to say that Utah is gonna 1408 01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.440 have to protect the quarterback and they're gonna have to 1409 01:06:25.440 --> 01:06:28.320 open up some lanes for the running backs because b yu, 1410 01:06:28.719 --> 01:06:31.599 they have gotten to the quarterback and they do force turnovers, 1411 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:34.760 they do create havoc plays we're hearing and maybe you 1412 01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:38.039 have some first hand inside here, some rumors about maybe 1413 01:06:38.039 --> 01:06:40.800 some O linement that aren't entirely healthy for Utah. B 1414 01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.039 YU will be without Connor pay and one of the 1415 01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:45.599 doesn't one of the receivers is out. 1416 01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:48.480 But they've got like seven dudes in that room. Tell 1417 01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:49.639 me what you've seen from the. 1418 01:06:49.599 --> 01:06:52.039 O line, both the good and the bad this year, 1419 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.280 and what you're expecting on Saturday against a really good BYU. 1420 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:58.039 Front really quick about the conference and who's good and 1421 01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:01.400 who's bad and banking everything. I think the conference almost 1422 01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:04.599 from top to bottom is about the same, even by us, 1423 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.800 And so it's a matter of timely place, it's a 1424 01:07:09.840 --> 01:07:12.760 matter of playing right. It's a matter of how your 1425 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:17.039 schedule flows out, and not only not only who you play, 1426 01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.119 but when you play them, you know. And so I mean, 1427 01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:22.320 you look at Utah going down the road. They got BYU, 1428 01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.519 who's at the top of conference. They've got Colorado who's 1429 01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.960 at the top of the conference. They have Iowa State, 1430 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:28.559 who's at the top of the conference. I don't think 1431 01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:30.119 you would have said that at the beginning of the year. 1432 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:33.800 You got and then you got UCF, which all of 1433 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.559 a sudden looks like they might have gotten explosive. And 1434 01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:39.400 so it's it's about this attrition, and you talk about 1435 01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:42.840 losing guys, and it's do you have enough depth and 1436 01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:45.239 and and are you playing, you know, at the right time. 1437 01:07:45.320 --> 01:07:49.599 And so there's just a fine fine line between winning 1438 01:07:49.639 --> 01:07:52.639 and losing in this conference, from top to bottom. There 1439 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.880 is not one team you just go, oh, they are 1440 01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.320 just head and shoulders better than anyone else in the conference. 1441 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.280 So you've got to show up week after week and 1442 01:08:01.280 --> 01:08:03.400 and game after game if you're going to play and 1443 01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:06.559 play well. And some guys, some teams do it and 1444 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:11.079 some haven't this year, and really the conference could go anyway. 1445 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.199 And I think that's a that's a hallmark of the 1446 01:08:14.239 --> 01:08:16.560 Big Twelve in general. You know, they've had a lot 1447 01:08:16.640 --> 01:08:20.239 of different winners in the conference. And you know, TCU 1448 01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.159 went to the College Football Playoffs a couple of years 1449 01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:24.920 ago and they're trying to figure out who they are today. 1450 01:08:25.239 --> 01:08:29.199 UCF was undefeated a few years ago. Cincinnati was a 1451 01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.920 really good team. But as far as this offensive line, 1452 01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:35.560 to answer your question, I think it's. 1453 01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.640 Been a very consistent performance. 1454 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:40.840 The quarterbacks have had time to throw the football and 1455 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:44.920 they've done an exceptional job of actually run blocking. What 1456 01:08:45.079 --> 01:08:47.359 the thing that I saw early on, and I saw 1457 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:50.119 a lot last year, was too many guys were just 1458 01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:52.920 missing blocks, whether it was in the run game or 1459 01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:55.560 in the passing game, just getting beat on one on 1460 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:59.600 one situations. And sometimes that's a product of youth. You know, 1461 01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:02.359 there was a little bit of youth in the offensive line. 1462 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:03.359 Uh. 1463 01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:05.960 The the offensive line, to me, has been a very 1464 01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:09.520 pleasant surprise this year. They I certainly think they've done 1465 01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:12.560 a pretty a pretty decent job. The one thing that's 1466 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.840 been hard, and Utah has been so good at it 1467 01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:18.279 in the past is running in the red zone and 1468 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:20.479 running inside the ten yard line, and you haven't seen 1469 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:23.239 that this year. There have been some situations where they've 1470 01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:27.720 had some some short yardage and that they haven't converted on. 1471 01:09:27.800 --> 01:09:31.239 But but overall, you know, I've liked what the offensive 1472 01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.199 line has done. Part of what helped the offense in 1473 01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.000 the past was a quarterback though, of course, and kind 1474 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:39.239 of took he kind of erased some of the mistakes 1475 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:42.840 you saw. Even Tyler Huntley did this when he was there. 1476 01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:46.119 He got out of some tough situations. And but Cam 1477 01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:48.520 was a wizard at it, and when he hasn't been 1478 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:52.640 in there, you haven't had that that element, which again 1479 01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:55.199 it helps you to kind of well, the offensive line 1480 01:09:55.239 --> 01:09:57.399 is not doing too bad because the quarter you don't 1481 01:09:57.439 --> 01:10:01.000 you don't necessarily see it as much. But even though 1482 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:04.319 the quarterback is played not so good with Cam out, 1483 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:07.319 the offensive line is still played pretty pretty solid and 1484 01:10:07.359 --> 01:10:08.039 pretty consistent. 1485 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.560 So of course we know that Kay Bernard is running 1486 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:13.680 back one, and Kyle told us as much, and I 1487 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:15.840 think there was some skepticism about whether or not he 1488 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:18.239 could run between the tackles because we just hadn't seen 1489 01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:21.000 him do it, but he has been able to do it, 1490 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.720 certainly in spurts we've seen a little more Jalen Glover 1491 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:29.399 as of late. Jalen had some unfortunate media availability yesterday 1492 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:33.279 where he decided to say some things that probably might 1493 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:34.600 end up on a bulletin board. 1494 01:10:34.640 --> 01:10:38.479 But that happens, It's okay. Called it the Cold War. 1495 01:10:38.279 --> 01:10:42.760 Which yeah, close, you know, mistakes are made, But Jalen 1496 01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:45.680 Glover has had really good games for Utah in the 1497 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.279 past in really big situations. I'm not saying that this 1498 01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:51.399 is the answer because I agree with you until they 1499 01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:54.439 find it on your center with a quarterback, you're kind 1500 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:55.199 of running uphill. 1501 01:10:55.279 --> 01:10:57.560 Sure, but can we see a little more Jalen. You 1502 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:58.840 think as the season wears on. 1503 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.439 You always have to have a number two guy. Uh. 1504 01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.800 The number one guy just can't carry the load throughout 1505 01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:07.159 the season. You're just gonna You're just gonna wear down, 1506 01:11:07.399 --> 01:11:09.119 and you wear down in the game. You just they 1507 01:11:09.239 --> 01:11:12.000 they need a break from time to time. I've always 1508 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.680 been a fan of Jalen Glover. For for whatever reason, 1509 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:17.560 he's fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. I 1510 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:20.000 don't know why, you know, I just know that it's 1511 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:22.800 been the case. And uh and and I'm sure some 1512 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:27.159 of his conversations or some of his you know, uh 1513 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.920 remarks or actions have been probably out of frustration. Sure, 1514 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:32.640 you know, I've just there has been a kid that's 1515 01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:35.840 seems like he does things the right way, plays hard 1516 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.119 when he gets in the game, and you know, he's 1517 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:41.279 not a guy that's gonna be super explosive, you know, 1518 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.680 but he's gonna get you some really tough yards. And 1519 01:11:44.680 --> 01:11:46.560 and that's the one thing he's been as a tough, 1520 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:49.319 tough runner. I'm not sure that Mike Mitchell has been 1521 01:11:49.359 --> 01:11:51.800 that guy they thought would be tough running inside who 1522 01:11:51.800 --> 01:11:54.359 had been kind of the number two guy, and and 1523 01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.119 they give they started to give Jalen some looks here 1524 01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:00.640 as of recent and and he's a guy that's not 1525 01:12:00.760 --> 01:12:03.239 only I think good at that, but he's probably pretty 1526 01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:03.720 fired up. 1527 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:06.319 Yeah, I would imagine wanting to show you, yeah right, 1528 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:08.439 keep me off the field. And that's a good thing, 1529 01:12:08.680 --> 01:12:08.880 you know. 1530 01:12:08.920 --> 01:12:11.399 And I don't think it's intentional by the coaches to like, well, 1531 01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:13.399 let's let it, let's get it pissed off and then 1532 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:13.960 you'll play good. 1533 01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:15.199 You know. 1534 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.359 It's just a byproduct of everything. And I don't want 1535 01:12:19.359 --> 01:12:22.239 to give a coach any good ideas that maybe they 1536 01:12:22.279 --> 01:12:23.960 start that that. 1537 01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:24.560 That the strategy. 1538 01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.000 But I like him and I think he could he 1539 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:29.880 could have some kind of an impact on this game 1540 01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.760 and even for the rest of the season. 1541 01:12:32.000 --> 01:12:35.199 As far as as you outlined earlier, a roster that's 1542 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.079 still and this was the as I as I talked 1543 01:12:38.079 --> 01:12:40.359 about last segment, This was the branch I was holding 1544 01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:42.239 on too before I fell flat in the mud. Is 1545 01:12:42.279 --> 01:12:45.680 I still believe the talent on the roster is there 1546 01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.000 and there's a reason why all of us. And when 1547 01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:50.880 I say all of us, I don't just mean locally, 1548 01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:53.520 I mean the national media too honed in on this 1549 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:54.760 team as the favorite to win this. 1550 01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:55.840 Conference and go to the CFP. 1551 01:12:56.039 --> 01:12:59.479 That maybe we were misguided, but it doesn't mean we 1552 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:02.079 weren't wrong about the personnel. So I want to talk 1553 01:13:02.119 --> 01:13:05.880 about and obviously you have experience playing quarterback in the pros. 1554 01:13:05.920 --> 01:13:09.680 I would imagine at some point, maybe during a rough 1555 01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.359 period for you or your team, some of your targets 1556 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.000 weren't thrilled with you because you weren't throwing them the football. 1557 01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:18.199 How tough is it for a Dorian Singer or a 1558 01:13:18.239 --> 01:13:21.720 brand Keithy or any of these guys Caleb Loher who 1559 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:23.880 has three catches on the year and all three of 1560 01:13:23.960 --> 01:13:27.319 them are touchdowns. How tough the tight ends, as you 1561 01:13:27.359 --> 01:13:29.880 reference outside of brandt like not existing even though there's 1562 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:34.039 talent there. How tough is it to stay confident and 1563 01:13:34.399 --> 01:13:37.159 ready when you don't have the right guy throwing you 1564 01:13:37.239 --> 01:13:38.239 the ball all year long? 1565 01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:41.000 I think it's brutally hard. Yeah. 1566 01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:43.800 If I was in that situation, it would drive me banana. 1567 01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:45.640 I'm sure I would just be like, oh my goodness. 1568 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:48.159 You know, in Detroit I had Herman Moore and Brett 1569 01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:51.319 Perriman and and Johnny Morton was our third guy, and 1570 01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:53.640 you know, and he was really good and Bretton and 1571 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.800 Herman had over one hundred catches and and Brett was 1572 01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:00.800 still mad like he's like, you know, throw me the ball, 1573 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:03.800 you know, and and and for me, I liked it. 1574 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:07.319 I like that these guys wanted the football. They wanted 1575 01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:09.840 it every down because it's like, I know, if I 1576 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:12.479 throw the ball to you, you're gonna make a play 1577 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:14.920 on it, like and you build that cam Radnie. We 1578 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:18.039 had one situation Brett got so mad he wouldn't come 1579 01:14:18.039 --> 01:14:20.279 in the huddle. This is no joke. And I go, 1580 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:22.600 dude like, and he goes, well, you're not going to 1581 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.840 throw me the ball anyways. And I go, well, just 1582 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:26.840 line up and don't jump off sides in and just 1583 01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:28.880 go over there and pal, you know, it's just what 1584 01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:30.880 if that's the way you're going to be about it, Yeah, 1585 01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:31.399 you know, And that. 1586 01:14:31.399 --> 01:14:32.439 Last set about a play. 1587 01:14:32.920 --> 01:14:36.000 But uh, and I love Brett and I'd love throwing 1588 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.640 a football to him. With the Utah situation, I just 1589 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.399 I feel for these guys, I really do, because you 1590 01:14:44.560 --> 01:14:47.119 have to you have to show up, and you have 1591 01:14:47.199 --> 01:14:49.760 to play hard, and you have to you may be 1592 01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.960 in the third quarter and you you may have been 1593 01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:56.760 you know, real time, sitting there for three hours before 1594 01:14:56.800 --> 01:14:59.720 you've thrown your first pass has thrown to you and 1595 01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:02.319 then go, okay, catch it now, you know, and and 1596 01:15:02.359 --> 01:15:04.840 it's and it's and that's why, that's why I talk 1597 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:08.359 about getting guys involved early in the game. It's just 1598 01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.520 it's just it's they just feel confident, they feel and 1599 01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.439 even if you just talk to them. 1600 01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:15.960 You know, hey, okay, I know you're you know, what 1601 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:16.359 do you like? 1602 01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:18.840 You know, just anything, just even if you're even if 1603 01:15:18.880 --> 01:15:20.960 you're bsing with them, just talk to them, Just talk 1604 01:15:21.000 --> 01:15:23.680 to all of them, because uh, they want to feel like, 1605 01:15:23.920 --> 01:15:26.680 you know, they're they're they're involved in they're they're a 1606 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.199 part of this. And and human nature is just like 1607 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.479 why in the world am I going through this over 1608 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:34.840 and over and and uh and I'm never getting the ball. 1609 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:37.920 I'm not involved because everyone that goes out on the field, 1610 01:15:37.960 --> 01:15:40.279 and I shouldn't say everyone, but most everyone they go. 1611 01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:42.760 I want to be a difference maker, you know, give 1612 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:43.199 me the ball. 1613 01:15:43.239 --> 01:15:46.079 I want to be someone that that hasn't uh, you know, 1614 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.960 some some kind of input impact on the outcome of 1615 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:53.479 this game, and when you're not involved, it's just it's 1616 01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.720 such it's such a hard thing. And it's so hard 1617 01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.159 when you know you have a lot of really good 1618 01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:06.279 players because then you're you're like those players are never 1619 01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:08.760 going to reach their full potential of what they could 1620 01:16:08.840 --> 01:16:11.159 really be because and so you've got to really get 1621 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.079 guys that buy into it's about the team and it's 1622 01:16:14.079 --> 01:16:16.359 about winning. And if it's about team and winning and 1623 01:16:16.359 --> 01:16:18.520 you're not winning, then what's it about? You know, And 1624 01:16:18.720 --> 01:16:20.039 it just makes it brutally hard. 1625 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:23.159 Well, and for guys like Dorian Singer and Bran Keithy, 1626 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.880 I'm no NFL scout, but you can find mock drafts 1627 01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:26.840 that have them. 1628 01:16:26.800 --> 01:16:28.159 As NFL prospects. 1629 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.000 The guys you were thrown too, it's about their money, right, 1630 01:16:31.079 --> 01:16:33.399 Like they want their catches because they want their contract. 1631 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:36.199 But if you're Branton Dorian, you want to put good 1632 01:16:36.239 --> 01:16:38.279 tape out there so you can get drafted. And they 1633 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:40.760 haven't had the quarterback this year, although maybe it doesn't matter. 1634 01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:43.960 Devon vele is killing it in Denver and he didn't 1635 01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:46.279 get Cameron as much as we thought he would either, 1636 01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:48.880 But there's got to be that element too. These guys 1637 01:16:48.960 --> 01:16:50.840 are looking at maybe the next step, and if they 1638 01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:53.279 can't get exposure for what they can do because of 1639 01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.239 the quarterback, that might seep in a little bit you 1640 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:57.880 start to see some frustration. 1641 01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:02.359 And rightfully so you know, I'm not mad at no, 1642 01:17:02.479 --> 01:17:04.880 because it's like, look, you know, it's a it's a 1643 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:07.800 special opportunity to get to play on Sundays. 1644 01:17:07.960 --> 01:17:09.079 It's it's incredible. 1645 01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:11.840 And and knowing that, you know, so much of it 1646 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:15.479 depends on kind of I need to get exposure. I 1647 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.960 need to have people see what I'm I'm all about 1648 01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:20.199 and what I can do, and and and being in 1649 01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.399 a situation which which if you're if you're a recruit, 1650 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.439 it's like, why would I want to go to a 1651 01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.000 school where I'm not going to get that Look, I'm 1652 01:17:28.039 --> 01:17:29.760 not going to get that exposure, I'm not going to 1653 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.159 get that development and that that that don't lily hurts 1654 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:37.560 you now, it hurts It hurts future future prospects, you know, 1655 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:39.960 down the road. But there is there is one thing 1656 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:42.079 that's different from when I was playing it and you 1657 01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:45.520 talk about money, is there's players today that are in 1658 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.319 college that are are making money. And money is a 1659 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:51.399 funny thing and it and it you know, and so 1660 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:53.680 some of them may go, yeah, you know, I'm good, 1661 01:17:54.239 --> 01:17:56.640 you know, and it might take the edge off or 1662 01:17:56.680 --> 01:17:59.159 the drive or the you know, I want to I 1663 01:17:59.239 --> 01:18:02.199 want to do well. You know, it's like I'm good. 1664 01:18:02.520 --> 01:18:03.800 You know, I got a little bit of money, you know, 1665 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.279 because you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old and you know, 1666 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:10.840 thirty thousand dollars might make you feel like you're a millionaire. 1667 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:12.119 You know, you know who knows. 1668 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:14.560 And so the money side of it can work kind 1669 01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.119 of both ways where I need I want to show 1670 01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.479 that I can get paid, but then I'm getting paid 1671 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.479 and I'm less motivated because you know, I'm kind of 1672 01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:23.119 being taken care of. 1673 01:18:23.239 --> 01:18:26.359 Right now, How do you think Utah has adapted to 1674 01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:27.720 the new reality of the sport. 1675 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:29.560 I mean, I'll just ask your point blank. 1676 01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:32.279 Coach Witt was asked about it, and he just essentially 1677 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:35.319 set out, difficult it's been. It felt like the early 1678 01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:38.319 returns were fine. Utah didn't have like a mass exodus. 1679 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:38.880 That did. 1680 01:18:38.880 --> 01:18:42.439 They lose some people for sure, like the jaquinin stuff hurts. 1681 01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:43.800 He's really good. 1682 01:18:43.960 --> 01:18:46.720 So they've lost people like everybody else. They've also brought 1683 01:18:46.720 --> 01:18:48.600 people in like everybody else. But now that we have 1684 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:51.880 about almost three years of data behind us, how do 1685 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:54.239 you think Utah Football handles has handled the new normal? 1686 01:18:54.520 --> 01:18:56.680 Well, the thing that I like is they've recognized that 1687 01:18:56.760 --> 01:18:58.399 it's what you have to do, and I think there's 1688 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:01.640 a real effort to do the best they can as 1689 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:04.800 far as you know, raising money and having money available 1690 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:10.039 for these players. It's you know, it's brutally challenging because 1691 01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:14.359 you know, players can just bolt, you know, and so 1692 01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:18.600 you're constantly recruiting players, you're constantly keeping them involved and 1693 01:19:19.479 --> 01:19:21.600 just going you know, we have a budget, We have 1694 01:19:21.640 --> 01:19:24.359 so much money we can spend, and you spend money 1695 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:27.840 on players who aren't producing or aren't healthy. 1696 01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:30.399 You know, it really it really challenges it. 1697 01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.039 I mean, if anything's hurt them, it's not been players leaving. 1698 01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:37.039 It's been it's been Cam Rising not being able to play. 1699 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:39.520 I mean a lot of money went into cam Rising 1700 01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:43.640 for the last two years for the limited production, and 1701 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:46.359 I think it's money well spent, if you you know, 1702 01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.640 I honestly, I think you look at any program in 1703 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:52.520 the country, they're going to go out and get a guy, 1704 01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:55.720 even the top one like Oregon got Dylan Gabriel and 1705 01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:58.760 he wasn't there. They didn't recruit him, but they go, 1706 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.680 we need a top two your quarterback, and we're gonna 1707 01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:03.159 go get him, and we're gonna pay for it. And 1708 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.199 I think, I think of any position, there has to 1709 01:20:06.239 --> 01:20:08.680 be a willingness to go get that kind of guy 1710 01:20:09.159 --> 01:20:11.520 in your program if you're really serious about being a 1711 01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:13.079 contender on a national stage. 1712 01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:15.479 Since I've simply never asked you the question on air, 1713 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:20.479 Cameron has an eighth year of eligibility left. Well, I 1714 01:20:20.560 --> 01:20:26.039 feel like this is a scenario where a married couple 1715 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:28.479 still loves each other but just kind of wants to 1716 01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:29.640 go experience the world. 1717 01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:31.680 So you give each other hugs, say go take care. 1718 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.640 This has been fun. Do you It's probably in the 1719 01:20:34.680 --> 01:20:35.199 best interest. 1720 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:37.680 And I had Eric Weddel on the day of the 1721 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:39.119 Monday after the ASU game. 1722 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:40.279 He was pretty forceful. 1723 01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:42.640 He's like, no, that's the love can but that's not 1724 01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:45.239 Where are you at with the potential of him coming back? 1725 01:20:45.399 --> 01:20:47.039 Yeah, you talk. 1726 01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.119 There's just a lot of fatigue there both in in 1727 01:20:50.199 --> 01:20:53.920 the program, like we've had enough, and there's a lot 1728 01:20:53.920 --> 01:20:58.359 of fatigue kind of from the booster donator side of it, 1729 01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:02.399 like yeah, we've maybe had enough of this, and and it, 1730 01:21:02.479 --> 01:21:05.880 and it probably is in in everyone's best interest to 1731 01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:07.279 to to move forward. 1732 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:10.560 You know, there's. 1733 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.960 Coach Shula I think would sell his own mother to win, 1734 01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.359 you know, and and so so the competitive side of 1735 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.479 you goes, yeah, but remember those two years when when 1736 01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:23.760 you won championships and. 1737 01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:24.479 He comes back? 1738 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:30.479 Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, is there a willingness 1739 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:31.239 to do it? 1740 01:21:31.279 --> 01:21:31.359 Is? 1741 01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:32.880 Do you have to pay for it? 1742 01:21:33.239 --> 01:21:33.479 You know? 1743 01:21:33.960 --> 01:21:35.560 Does he want to does he want to do it? 1744 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:39.039 I'm not I'm not convinced that that Cam is a 1745 01:21:39.119 --> 01:21:44.720 legitimate NFL prospect, but you know, all bets are off 1746 01:21:44.760 --> 01:21:47.359 if you're trying to win championships, and if you have 1747 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:49.319 a good player and you can get him in your 1748 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:52.199 program and he can be healthy, I think you're I 1749 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.000 think you're foolish not to consider that. 1750 01:21:54.399 --> 01:21:56.479 All right, Scott, Before I set you loose, since this 1751 01:21:56.520 --> 01:21:58.640 is the time I get with you this week, I. 1752 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:00.520 Want to ask you for a final score prediction. 1753 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.439 I'll ask you whether or not the ute inside of 1754 01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:07.680 you anywhere has been able to find confidence that Saturday 1755 01:22:07.760 --> 01:22:09.199 Night could actually go Utah's way. 1756 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:13.439 Okay, so the the protective fan side of me just says, 1757 01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:15.840 man Utah is gonna lose this week, you know, like 1758 01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:20.199 you just prepare yourself, just set expectations, right, and so 1759 01:22:20.279 --> 01:22:23.079 then if they But but the real side of me says, 1760 01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:27.159 this is a this is a really tough game for BYU. 1761 01:22:27.359 --> 01:22:30.159 It's a scary game for BYU because Utah is not 1762 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.800 as bad as what their record says it and and 1763 01:22:33.800 --> 01:22:35.319 and it could just you know, it could be a 1764 01:22:35.359 --> 01:22:39.479 funny thing. And I really feel like that's probably more 1765 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:42.520 of what what's going to happen. I think we're all 1766 01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:45.279 going to be surprised, you know, from this game. So 1767 01:22:48.039 --> 01:22:51.720 I'm I'm which is really dumb. I'm gonna bet the 1768 01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:56.039 ranch on Brandon Rose, okay, and and I'm gonna say 1769 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:59.840 I'm gonna say Utah scores twenty twenty seven. 1770 01:23:00.439 --> 01:23:01.880 They have to get more than twenty four. 1771 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:05.039 And I think I think BYU I'm gonna go twenty 1772 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:05.920 seven to seventeen. 1773 01:23:06.079 --> 01:23:09.720 Twenty seven seventeen Utah wins. I think it's I think 1774 01:23:09.760 --> 01:23:11.159 it's played the damn fight song. 1775 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:15.479 I think it's it's turnover laden and there's some help 1776 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:15.840 in there. 1777 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:17.520 But twenty seven to seventeen. 1778 01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:19.119 All right, my friend, Well, thanks for coming out. 1779 01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:21.800 It's great to see okay, Scott Mitchell, who'll be on 1780 01:23:21.840 --> 01:23:25.079 the call with Ryle's coming up on Saturday night. Appreciate 1781 01:23:25.119 --> 01:23:27.920 his time out here at ARUP Blood Services. That's where 1782 01:23:27.960 --> 01:23:30.960 we're at at ninety seven eighty six South five hundred 1783 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.119 West and Sandy. I are live today out here at 1784 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:38.000 AARUP Blood Services. It's ninety seven eighty six South five 1785 01:23:38.119 --> 01:23:41.680 hundred West in Sandy. We're asking for blood donations as 1786 01:23:41.720 --> 01:23:44.159 this time of year sometimes can lead to a lot 1787 01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.119 of accidents. AARUP is the sole provider to the University 1788 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:50.479 of Utah and the Huntsman Cancer Institute. You can enter 1789 01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:54.000 to win free tickets for the Utah BYU football game. 1790 01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:57.000 Our next guest knows a thing or two about Utah 1791 01:23:57.159 --> 01:23:58.960 BYU about football. 1792 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:00.479 Friend of the Show, it's been a while. 1793 01:24:00.520 --> 01:24:03.199 It's great to have Austin Collie back on the program 1794 01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:04.199 on a Tuesday. 1795 01:24:04.239 --> 01:24:05.359 Austin, Happy Tuesday, man. 1796 01:24:05.359 --> 01:24:07.560 How you doingany Tuesday? 1797 01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:08.039 How are you? 1798 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:10.560 I'm well, I'm well. I appreciate your time today. 1799 01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.560 So, just generally speaking, what is Utah BYU Week like 1800 01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:16.800 for you? As somebody who played in this rivalry once 1801 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:17.520 upon a time. 1802 01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:21.479 I'll tell you what I'll be honest, I tend to 1803 01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:24.520 get a lot of requests to do some you know, 1804 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:30.239 radio bits and different media outlet interviews. So it's it's fun, man. 1805 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:34.079 It's a game that I've you know, I've always held 1806 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.760 near dear to my heart, and I think all BYU 1807 01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:40.359 and Utah fans have and you know it. It's nothing 1808 01:24:40.359 --> 01:24:42.560 but great for college football and great for the stadium. 1809 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:47.960 How has your prism or review on the rivalry changed 1810 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:52.119 in the years in between your performances and you had 1811 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:55.279 some great games against BYU. We remember fourth and eighteen 1812 01:24:55.319 --> 01:24:57.319 you c got eighteen passes for three h four and 1813 01:24:57.399 --> 01:25:01.159 a touchdown. And then obviously you made remarks that I 1814 01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:04.399 always maintain we're taking a little bit out of context. 1815 01:25:04.439 --> 01:25:05.359 But you know the deal with. 1816 01:25:05.319 --> 01:25:07.760 This, if you say one thing there were, people will 1817 01:25:07.840 --> 01:25:10.640 run with them forever. So you're still kind of the 1818 01:25:10.680 --> 01:25:14.159 magic happens guy. And when that went down, people were 1819 01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:17.399 not very nice to you, Austin. So, between then and now, 1820 01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:19.520 how is your view of the game changed, if at all? 1821 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:24.359 Oh, I think I've put more stock into the game now. 1822 01:25:24.600 --> 01:25:26.000 Like you know, prior to. 1823 01:25:26.079 --> 01:25:28.239 Prior to coming here and prior to coming to by U, right, 1824 01:25:28.279 --> 01:25:29.239 I lived in California. 1825 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:29.560 I was. 1826 01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:33.640 I was a packed ten at the time. Kid. You know, 1827 01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:37.079 I really didn't pay too much attention about, uh, you know, 1828 01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.800 in regards to BYU and Utah and the rivalry. And 1829 01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:42.960 I remember my my freshman year, my true freshman year, 1830 01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.319 when we went up there, played against the Fiesta Bowl 1831 01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:49.760 team against Alex Smith and Urban Meyer, and and uh 1832 01:25:50.560 --> 01:25:52.800 you know, I had a little SoundBite during that week 1833 01:25:52.840 --> 01:25:55.720 as well that that fans and players didn't take too 1834 01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:58.680 kindly too and and that was kind of my first 1835 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:02.800 dose of what the rivalry meant to the players, the 1836 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:05.359 teams or the universities, as well as the state and 1837 01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:09.039 the fans. And I think my understanding has even gone 1838 01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.399 to another level having lived here now, right, I've got 1839 01:26:12.439 --> 01:26:17.199 two partners that we don't insurance brokers here in South Jordan, 1840 01:26:17.239 --> 01:26:19.960 and they are avid Utah fans. So we've been going 1841 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.800 back and forth for the past two months on who's 1842 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:23.319 gonna win this game and what this game means to 1843 01:26:23.359 --> 01:26:23.840 each of us. 1844 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:25.000 I gotta love that. 1845 01:26:25.640 --> 01:26:29.000 I wonder if you have, because, as I referenced, you 1846 01:26:29.119 --> 01:26:33.000 had several memorable moments. 1847 01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:34.920 Against the youths. Is there one that stands out above 1848 01:26:35.000 --> 01:26:35.479 the rest? 1849 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:37.760 I imagine I know the answer to that question, but 1850 01:26:37.800 --> 01:26:38.680 I wanted to get it from you. 1851 01:26:40.479 --> 01:26:40.680 Yeah. 1852 01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:43.359 No, I you know, before the eighteen obviously is you know, 1853 01:26:43.359 --> 01:26:45.880 that's what I'm constantly reminded of from YU fans and 1854 01:26:45.880 --> 01:26:50.800 and Utah fans alike. Obviously Utah fans have a little 1855 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:53.680 bit more hate in our heart when they talk about 1856 01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.960 that play. But you know, I think every game I played, 1857 01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.439 even against Utah, it it was different. It was definitely 1858 01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:02.199 different than the other games that we played against. You 1859 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:03.920 could tell there was a different energy, there was a 1860 01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:07.159 different uh you know, there was more on the line 1861 01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:09.199 I think during those games than any of the other 1862 01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:09.840 games I played. 1863 01:27:11.239 --> 01:27:14.039 So I believe, Austin, you were part of the last 1864 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.199 b YU team to win in Salt Lake? 1865 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:18.319 Is that is that accurate? I think that's true. 1866 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:25.319 That is not true, so I I the last time 1867 01:27:25.359 --> 01:27:27.199 I won was the fourth and eighteen year was two 1868 01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:31.239 thousand and seven. And then I, you know, luckily was 1869 01:27:31.279 --> 01:27:33.399 able to play against two of the best Utah teams 1870 01:27:35.359 --> 01:27:38.520 that Utah has ever had, right in four lost to 1871 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:42.239 them and four and then you know, as luck would 1872 01:27:42.239 --> 01:27:43.880 have it, I lost them and O eight when they 1873 01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.119 went to the Sugar Bowl, so U, I only got 1874 01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:48.239 them one time out of three, So I'm not gonna. 1875 01:27:48.039 --> 01:27:48.439 Lie to yet. 1876 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.119 You know, every time we didn't get him, I go 1877 01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:51.720 ahead and I chalk that up as my own win 1878 01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:52.119 as well. 1879 01:27:52.359 --> 01:27:53.079 Be fair enough. 1880 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:56.600 Fair enough you you reference to dynamic about you personally 1881 01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:58.359 that I wanted to tap into a little bit more, 1882 01:27:58.439 --> 01:28:01.399 because you know, the these days Austin, as you know, 1883 01:28:01.479 --> 01:28:05.079 you can pull up either Utah or BYU's roster and 1884 01:28:05.159 --> 01:28:10.000 you see kids from Texas, in California, in Florida, in Canada. 1885 01:28:09.600 --> 01:28:12.479 In Virginia, and I could keep going. And so it. 1886 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.439 Breeds this conversation where if you're not a local, do 1887 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.560 you really understand what this game means as somebody who 1888 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:21.119 did not grow up here? Do you think the out 1889 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:24.800 of state kids really understand what that environment is going 1890 01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.199 to be like on Saturday night? Or is that something 1891 01:28:27.279 --> 01:28:29.439 that you simply have to experience firsthand? 1892 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:33.479 No, I think you have the experience firsthands, right like 1893 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:37.399 I grew up you know, watching the USC Notre Dame, 1894 01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:41.239 you know, the Arizona Arizona State, the stay for USC 1895 01:28:41.399 --> 01:28:43.239 game or stay for cal games like those are the 1896 01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:46.039 you know, and obviously the Michigan, Ohuse State. And those 1897 01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:48.119 are the rivalries that I knew. And then you know, 1898 01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:53.439 having experienced myself, now I have the appreciation that this 1899 01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:55.359 is like a top three rivalry in the country in 1900 01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:57.640 my opinion, right, And I I try to say that 1901 01:28:57.720 --> 01:29:02.159 without you know, any bias. I mean the fact you 1902 01:29:02.439 --> 01:29:05.560 have so many especially this game, you have so many 1903 01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:10.880 kind of behind the scenes factors that go to this game, right, 1904 01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:14.359 the head coach having played at b YU over Utah, 1905 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:17.439 the head coach playing at b YU and once coaching 1906 01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:19.760 at Utah for b YU, Right, Like, there are so 1907 01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:22.760 many different elements that go into this game that you know, 1908 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:25.439 the geography of it all right, the fact that the 1909 01:29:25.439 --> 01:29:28.239 fan base is are majority, the majority of the fan 1910 01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.840 base is broken up by you know, a single point 1911 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:34.920 of the mountain, right, and you know, and those are 1912 01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:37.840 the things that make the rivalry what it is. And 1913 01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:41.720 unless you are in the community or have been in 1914 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:44.840 the community and understand what this means to everyday people 1915 01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:47.600 and the bragging rights that go along with it for 1916 01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:52.319 the next year, and and how how how much people 1917 01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:54.159 take the win or the loss of heart man, how 1918 01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:57.479 that can ruin or make the next year? Uh, what 1919 01:29:57.520 --> 01:29:59.680 it is for some of these fans like you don't 1920 01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:01.920 know that, so you set foot on campus and played 1921 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:02.279 in the game. 1922 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:06.800 So you've made some of the most infamous comments in 1923 01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:09.239 the history of this rivalry, as we've talked about. 1924 01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:13.880 But I've always maintained that the real hate. 1925 01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:17.960 When it comes to Utah BYU is fans who use 1926 01:30:18.000 --> 01:30:20.560 the internet to feel brave. Cowards use the internet to 1927 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:23.680 feel brave, so they go online, they attack people in 1928 01:30:23.680 --> 01:30:25.880 a way they never would in real life, and it 1929 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:28.159 seems to very rarely spill over. 1930 01:30:28.199 --> 01:30:30.239 Into real life, although that does happen. 1931 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:33.319 But it always felt like the coaches and the players 1932 01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:38.479 respected each other, respected the you know, the the other institution. Intel, 1933 01:30:38.720 --> 01:30:41.920 a quarterback that you played with, Max Hall, said I 1934 01:30:41.960 --> 01:30:42.920 don't like Utah. 1935 01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:45.239 I hate them. I hate everything about them. That was 1936 01:30:45.279 --> 01:30:48.720 the first time like your comments. In my opinion, yes. 1937 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:51.800 They were remembered in a way that probably is a 1938 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.119 little bit uncomfortable, but I thought that was kind of 1939 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.359 like no harm, no foul to me, and then. 1940 01:30:56.319 --> 01:31:00.279 Max just goes, you know, nuclear on the entire thing thing. 1941 01:31:01.079 --> 01:31:03.920 How accurate are Max's comments? 1942 01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:06.319 Are they truly reflective of the way that most b 1943 01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:14.039 y U players feel about the University of Utah. 1944 01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:14.760 I don't know. 1945 01:31:14.800 --> 01:31:18.079 That's a that's a great question, you know, and it's 1946 01:31:17.800 --> 01:31:20.720 it's a great question to ask only because you know, 1947 01:31:21.520 --> 01:31:27.000 as the locker room from a geographically diverse or or 1948 01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:30.720 or continues to become more geographically diverse in terms of 1949 01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:34.359 where each players come from and not understanding like back 1950 01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:36.199 back in my day, man, like we had a lot 1951 01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:39.079 of kids from Utah, so they understood what this rivalry meant. 1952 01:31:39.079 --> 01:31:42.039 And you could say there was some hatred, there was 1953 01:31:42.079 --> 01:31:49.800 some uh it will right, uh wished upon the other university. 1954 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:53.399 But you know, I think, kid, now, especially with you 1955 01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:56.119 know how many new kids are, you know, transferring into 1956 01:31:56.119 --> 01:31:59.600 the into the school, into each school, you wonder if 1957 01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:03.960 that hatred so exists And I'd probably say not, right, Like, 1958 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:06.479 I know, the kid from Utah said some things about 1959 01:32:06.479 --> 01:32:11.000 by U which fired me up. I loved them, right, 1960 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:13.039 I mean, that's what the rivalry is all about. And 1961 01:32:13.039 --> 01:32:14.520 then I saw that he kind of took them back 1962 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:18.000 on Twitter, and I was like, dude, don't take those back, right, Like, 1963 01:32:18.359 --> 01:32:20.039 this is what the game is about, is what rivalry 1964 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:25.039 is supposed to be about. But you do understand, I think, yeah, 1965 01:32:25.560 --> 01:32:27.880 I would say, maybe maybe the hatred's still there just 1966 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:30.520 because it's faan in fused, I guess yeah. 1967 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.960 And I just had never heard a player say what 1968 01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:35.760 Max said. And for me, somebody who, as I say, 1969 01:32:35.800 --> 01:32:38.399 I cheer for storylines in my space to talk about, 1970 01:32:38.439 --> 01:32:40.479 I'm like, sweet, well I've got an I've got a 1971 01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:43.680 week of content based off of the comments of Maxall. 1972 01:32:44.079 --> 01:32:46.119 It was just New Austin because I had never heard 1973 01:32:46.119 --> 01:32:48.760 a player under that phrase, if that makes sense. 1974 01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:50.039 Yeah. 1975 01:32:50.439 --> 01:32:52.039 It doesn't help too that, you know, Max and I 1976 01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:55.840 during those days, we would walk around, you know, unfiltered, right, 1977 01:32:56.560 --> 01:32:59.399 and nowadays I don't think they can get away with 1978 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:02.880 that that much, just because of you know, all the 1979 01:33:02.960 --> 01:33:07.079 eyes and all the outlets, and you know just how 1980 01:33:07.119 --> 01:33:09.199 popular college football is now to eight compared to when 1981 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:13.279 it was back then. But yeah, yeah, Max, I think 1982 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:14.840 I think most of the players steel that way. I 1983 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.720 think Max is the only one brave enough to say it. 1984 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:20.520 So we had Colanie on yesterday, and when Colde was 1985 01:33:20.600 --> 01:33:23.039 up here as the decordinator, I did a weekly coaches 1986 01:33:23.079 --> 01:33:24.760 show with him, so I was able to get to 1987 01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.640 know him and a Rod's my guy, and Jay Hilla 1988 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:32.359 you grad it feels from my seat Austin that Kilanie 1989 01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:37.000 has taken the lead along with Coach Wit, because it's 1990 01:33:37.119 --> 01:33:40.239 very much Coach Mac and Coach Leavelle as far as 1991 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:44.039 the respect and admiration they have for each other. Bronco 1992 01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:47.359 was central casting for youth fans who think b Yu 1993 01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:51.399 is pious to just feed fuel to the fire, and 1994 01:33:51.439 --> 01:33:54.399 it felt like during those days, as you know, the 1995 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:57.640 hatred was through the roof, and it felt like it 1996 01:33:57.680 --> 01:33:59.960 felt like it in the community, it felt like in churches, 1997 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:03.560 felt like online. Klani and Kyle seems to have restored 1998 01:34:03.600 --> 01:34:06.119 civility to this thing from my vantage point, in a 1999 01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.880 way that wasn't around when Bronco was here. 2000 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:11.079 Do you feel like that's accurate? What are your thoughts 2001 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:11.319 on that? 2002 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:13.920 Yeah? 2003 01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:17.000 Maybe, you know, I think we kind of put back 2004 01:34:17.039 --> 01:34:20.000 in the Broncos at Broncos, you know, coaching tenure. I 2005 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:24.680 think I would say that it was easy to have 2006 01:34:24.720 --> 01:34:27.039 a target on our back, right, and I think that 2007 01:34:27.079 --> 01:34:29.479 was kind of like self inflicted in terms of maybe 2008 01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:31.520 the hate that Utah had for us, right. I mean, 2009 01:34:32.199 --> 01:34:34.199 when we're going out there saying things like, you know, 2010 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:39.359 quest for perfection and and maybe taking a platform a 2011 01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.520 more I don't know, a religious stance on the university, 2012 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:45.880 not saying that it's not happening now. But you know, 2013 01:34:45.920 --> 01:34:48.840 I think we were kinda we weren't afraid to say it, 2014 01:34:48.840 --> 01:34:50.159 we weren't afraid to flow on it, right, And I 2015 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:53.199 think maybe that that the stark contract between the two 2016 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.600 universities and maybe the the student body was was kind 2017 01:34:57.600 --> 01:34:59.600 of thrown in your face and maybe leveraged to kind 2018 01:34:59.600 --> 01:35:02.800 of incite it's some more you know, more drama, more 2019 01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:06.159 more ill will towards each other. But you know this nowadays, 2020 01:35:06.239 --> 01:35:09.560 I think Colaane has done a great job. It's hard 2021 01:35:09.560 --> 01:35:11.760 to hate Kilonne, right, It's hard to hate any any 2022 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:14.279 team that Kilani coaches, just because he's such a great 2023 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.560 guy and he, honestly, I'm sure has a ton of 2024 01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:19.920 love for not just with but a lot of those 2025 01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.640 guys over there at that coaching staff that are still 2026 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:24.600 there or were there when he was there. So you know, 2027 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:28.720 I don't think is I think that he's about to 2028 01:35:28.720 --> 01:35:30.319 get turned out, to be honest with you, now that 2029 01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:32.239 we're playing every year. I think that's kind of what 2030 01:35:32.439 --> 01:35:34.840 kind of decimated the whole thing as well, when the 2031 01:35:34.880 --> 01:35:37.079 game has no value, and it's just a game to 2032 01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:41.560 be played, and it doesn't indicate where you're going to 2033 01:35:41.600 --> 01:35:43.359 finish in terms of the conference, and both of you 2034 01:35:43.359 --> 01:35:45.560 are in the same conference, I think it loses a 2035 01:35:45.680 --> 01:35:48.680 little bit of its luster, a little bit of its heat, 2036 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:50.560 and and now that it does matter, now that we're 2037 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:52.159 on the same conference, I think it's going to turn. 2038 01:35:52.039 --> 01:35:54.279 Back up for sure. Yeah, good point. 2039 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.159 I want to ask you because we had always heard, 2040 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.560 you know, the way coach Wait and Morgan coach this 2041 01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:05.279 week and how it's we don't lose to them, and 2042 01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:07.880 rumors of other things that may not be above board 2043 01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:10.159 that I can't speak to because I was not there 2044 01:36:10.159 --> 01:36:13.840 for any of them, Juxtaposed to the way Bronco prepared 2045 01:36:13.880 --> 01:36:16.680 you guys for this game. It always felt like Bronco 2046 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.920 kind of took a nameless, faceless approach and this is 2047 01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:22.880 just another game type thing, even though we all know 2048 01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:23.239 it's not. 2049 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:25.960 How did Bronco get you ready for Utah b Yu? 2050 01:36:26.039 --> 01:36:26.680 What was that week? 2051 01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:26.920 Like? 2052 01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:33.159 Yeah, it was business as usual to be honest with yes, 2053 01:36:33.520 --> 01:36:35.800 Like I mean that that was kind of Bronco's approach. 2054 01:36:35.960 --> 01:36:38.199 You know, no, no opponents greater than the others, and 2055 01:36:39.800 --> 01:36:41.880 you know it is more just show up and play 2056 01:36:41.920 --> 01:36:45.800 our game. We're gonna we're gonna be just fined. And 2057 01:36:45.800 --> 01:36:48.720 and to be honestly, I hope I hope Colani takes 2058 01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:51.239 a little bit more, has a little bit more or 2059 01:36:51.279 --> 01:36:52.960 he's a little bit more edge to the guys, right 2060 01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:55.720 and preparing him that that this week is not this 2061 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:57.840 week's not like any other week, right. I mean, if 2062 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.560 you look at the history of the game, I don't 2063 01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:04.000 know what the what the average is, but you know, 2064 01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:07.239 this game is decided by very few points each every 2065 01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:10.800 single year, depending on or not depending on who's good 2066 01:37:10.880 --> 01:37:13.520 or or or who's having a better season. But I 2067 01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:17.239 mean it's it's strictly a game that that no matter 2068 01:37:17.479 --> 01:37:20.279 where anybody stands in the season and how bad a 2069 01:37:20.319 --> 01:37:21.960 team is or how good a team is, it always 2070 01:37:22.000 --> 01:37:26.319 ends up being a margin of victory by by you know, 2071 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:29.239 or I should say, very small margin of victory. 2072 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:29.479 Right. 2073 01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:32.640 So it's not it's not the same week, it's not 2074 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.000 business as usual. This is a different game. It's a 2075 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:38.199 different opponent. They're coming and playing with some you know, 2076 01:37:38.319 --> 01:37:40.159 coming from a place or playing from a place that 2077 01:37:40.880 --> 01:37:42.319 you know they're not playing. 2078 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:45.520 Uh you know, they're they're not. 2079 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:48.880 They're not playing with with any other opponent. 2080 01:37:49.119 --> 01:37:51.079 If that makes sense, it does. 2081 01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:54.119 And from my perspective, I think Kilanie smells blood in 2082 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.560 the water. Kilanie is the sweetest guy in the world, 2083 01:37:56.560 --> 01:37:58.680 but make no mistake, when it's time to play, he 2084 01:37:58.680 --> 01:37:59.800 wants to kick your ass. 2085 01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:02.880 And I think he smells blood in the water. 2086 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:06.319 I think he sees a team that has struggled offensively 2087 01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:07.399 to do much of anything. 2088 01:38:08.199 --> 01:38:09.920 And I think they're coming up here for blood, man, 2089 01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:10.439 I really do. 2090 01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:13.199 And there's no data point that indicates Utah is a 2091 01:38:13.199 --> 01:38:14.840 better football team than BYU. 2092 01:38:14.960 --> 01:38:18.319 It does not exist. The numbers, not just the record. 2093 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:21.399 You go deeper, there's plenty of data points that indicate 2094 01:38:22.039 --> 01:38:24.800 Utah still has a really stout defense, but offensively it's 2095 01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:28.960 been a mess. I think, you know, it's not just Kilane. 2096 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:30.439 It's a fan. 2097 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:33.319 Base that heard four years enjoy your independence. We're in 2098 01:38:33.359 --> 01:38:34.359 the PAC twelve now. 2099 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:37.279 It's fan base that basically for a generation has had 2100 01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:40.560 the results more or less lopsided. Even though BYU got 2101 01:38:40.680 --> 01:38:43.199 Utah last time to break a nine game losing streak, 2102 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:46.119 my feel is those boys are gonna be out for blood. 2103 01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:48.039 They're coming up here and they're they're smelling the blood 2104 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:48.439 in the water. 2105 01:38:50.560 --> 01:38:53.960 Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope they 2106 01:38:54.039 --> 01:38:57.439 come in with a with a different swagger than they 2107 01:38:57.439 --> 01:39:00.399 have in years past. And I hope they come in 2108 01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:02.199 with a mentality that they're going to you know, handle 2109 01:39:02.199 --> 01:39:07.199 business and continue to convince the country that they're going 2110 01:39:07.279 --> 01:39:09.239 to be Big Twelve champions and and hopefully end up 2111 01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:10.319 in the College Football Playoff. 2112 01:39:10.800 --> 01:39:12.640 So a few minutes we have left, let's talk about 2113 01:39:12.680 --> 01:39:15.319 what's impressed you the most, because look, the fact of 2114 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:17.720 the matter is Austin with what happened last week in 2115 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:21.920 the Big Twelve, like the walking line for ute fans 2116 01:39:22.239 --> 01:39:24.319 media was like, Okay, you have a chance to spoil 2117 01:39:24.399 --> 01:39:25.279 BYU season. 2118 01:39:25.520 --> 01:39:28.399 Well you don't because BYU could lose. 2119 01:39:28.840 --> 01:39:32.119 On Saturday and still and they do still have a 2120 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:36.680 very very realistic path through the Big Twelve championship and 2121 01:39:36.760 --> 01:39:39.720 therefore the CFP, and obviously the one thing you could 2122 01:39:39.840 --> 01:39:43.840 ruin is a perfect season, which is always impressive when 2123 01:39:43.880 --> 01:39:45.479 you've seen it the way that we have with eight 2124 01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:46.840 and oh five to zero conference. 2125 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:48.439 What has stood out most. 2126 01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:50.760 To you about the way Kilane and a Rod and 2127 01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:52.760 Jay and the whole staff, the way they've been able 2128 01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:55.600 to piece this together every week to answer every question 2129 01:39:55.640 --> 01:39:58.880 that's been thrown at them. 2130 01:39:59.159 --> 01:40:03.199 Yeah, I I mean, they're they're professionals, right. 2131 01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:04.840 I think. 2132 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:08.359 I think it would be easy to kind of tower. 2133 01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:12.439 You know, typically when when a team like b YU, 2134 01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:15.039 who maybe hasn't found themselves in the top twenty five 2135 01:40:15.119 --> 01:40:17.039 or even you know, obviously the top ten for quite 2136 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:21.439 some time, and maybe came in as an underdogs, it's 2137 01:40:21.479 --> 01:40:23.239 easy to kind of get in the bright lights and 2138 01:40:23.520 --> 01:40:26.800 maybe shy away or start doubting yourself if you're even 2139 01:40:27.239 --> 01:40:29.760 you know, if you belong. And one of the things 2140 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:32.920 that not only the coaches, but the players have been 2141 01:40:32.920 --> 01:40:37.159 able to demonstrate is that they're not afraid and they 2142 01:40:37.159 --> 01:40:39.079 have all the confidence in the world, and they carry 2143 01:40:39.119 --> 01:40:41.920 that that top ten swagger, right. They do deserve or 2144 01:40:41.920 --> 01:40:43.640 they do believe that they deserve to be in the 2145 01:40:43.680 --> 01:40:49.600 top ten. Every week they continue to convince the country 2146 01:40:49.760 --> 01:40:53.960 that it is such. And you know, obviously that comes 2147 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:56.239 down to the way that they're handling it from the 2148 01:40:56.239 --> 01:41:00.479 coach's end and what they're telling the players, you know, 2149 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:03.760 instilling that belief and instilling that confidence that they are 2150 01:41:04.840 --> 01:41:06.720 a top ten team and deserved to be where they are. 2151 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:11.600 Last year, Jake struggled. Jake Reetzloff struggled. He lost all 2152 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:14.439 four of the starts he had. But I was told 2153 01:41:14.600 --> 01:41:17.840 early on Austin in the process that this is not 2154 01:41:17.880 --> 01:41:20.199 a quarterback competition, even though that's kind of what they 2155 01:41:20.199 --> 01:41:22.680 were presenting, and Jake had really put in the work 2156 01:41:23.159 --> 01:41:25.760 to grab that job earlier than most of us learned 2157 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:29.199 and understood. And look, I will say, there are still 2158 01:41:29.239 --> 01:41:31.640 moments that you're kind of a little bit nervous. He 2159 01:41:31.680 --> 01:41:36.439 makes some throws, some decisions that are very risky, but 2160 01:41:36.520 --> 01:41:40.079 ultimately he's been very, very good. And he was picked 2161 01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:43.920 by most media preseason prognostications as among if not the 2162 01:41:43.960 --> 01:41:47.640 worst quarterback in this league, and by most metrics, he's 2163 01:41:47.680 --> 01:41:49.720 either the best or one of the top two or three. 2164 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:51.439 What stood out most to you about the way Jake 2165 01:41:51.479 --> 01:41:55.119 has played this year, I. 2166 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:57.319 Think, I mean, going back to what he said about 2167 01:41:57.439 --> 01:41:59.840 you know, maybe the word being that there wasn't a 2168 01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.960 B competition, I would I don't know how true that. 2169 01:42:04.079 --> 01:42:06.560 I mean, I know that's what they were saying, that's 2170 01:42:06.600 --> 01:42:09.199 what you know, uh, maybe was coming out of provo, 2171 01:42:09.239 --> 01:42:13.000 But there's always a QB competition, especially when you know 2172 01:42:13.039 --> 01:42:15.680 you got somebody like Gary Bohannon, who's a Big twelve 2173 01:42:15.680 --> 01:42:18.640 player of the year, kind of waiting in the wings, 2174 01:42:18.720 --> 01:42:24.439 right and so, uh, you know, when Jake struggled against SMU, 2175 01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:26.760 it would have been easy for him to maybe second 2176 01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:32.399 guess himself. Uh, maybe hesitate and and and and maybe 2177 01:42:32.399 --> 01:42:34.720 get into his head a little bit, only because he 2178 01:42:34.840 --> 01:42:37.079 knows somebody he's on a short lease, he knows somebody's 2179 01:42:37.119 --> 01:42:41.439 waiting to take his spot. He has the entire country 2180 01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:45.279 basically criticizing him, the entire BAU fan base criticizing, you know, 2181 01:42:45.359 --> 01:42:47.920 the move to play him and to start him when 2182 01:42:47.960 --> 01:42:50.000 you got somebody like Gary waiting in the wings, and 2183 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:53.119 for him to come back against Wyoming and answer the 2184 01:42:53.159 --> 01:42:55.399 call and then from that point on continue to answer 2185 01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:57.520 the call, you know, just says a lot about his 2186 01:42:57.640 --> 01:43:01.159 character and his swagger. Right. I do think the fact 2187 01:43:01.159 --> 01:43:03.279 that a Rod has been able to use his legs 2188 01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:05.840 a little bit has maybe freed up his mind. You know, 2189 01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:10.319 sometimes sometimes you got to do things like that get 2190 01:43:10.560 --> 01:43:14.760 get a player maybe in his natural habitat in creating plays, 2191 01:43:14.800 --> 01:43:17.119 to kind of get out of the whole, you know, 2192 01:43:17.279 --> 01:43:20.760 being technical, standing in the pocket and expected to make 2193 01:43:21.039 --> 01:43:24.000 every single read, every single throw, and just being able 2194 01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:26.359 to have that backup plan of creating on with his legs, 2195 01:43:26.399 --> 01:43:28.800 I think is freed up as you know, his mind 2196 01:43:28.840 --> 01:43:30.199 a little bit allowed him to play a little bit 2197 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:33.159 more to his natural ability and you know, continue to 2198 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:35.920 gain confidence right right now. Where he's that confidence wise, 2199 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:37.920 you know, it's through the roof. You can tell in 2200 01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:39.960 the way that he plays he's not thinking nearly as 2201 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.520 much and not doubting his throws or not second guessing, 2202 01:43:44.880 --> 01:43:47.920 and like I said, you know, creating his plays, you know, 2203 01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:51.159 with his legs is another facet that the defenses like Utah 2204 01:43:51.159 --> 01:43:53.319 has to prepare for and that eventually is going to 2205 01:43:53.359 --> 01:43:54.199 open up the passing year. 2206 01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:57.279 All right, buddy, before I set you loose, I've asked 2207 01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:59.800 all my guests all week. You don't have to give 2208 01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:02.119 you one if you don't want to. There's no pressure here. 2209 01:44:02.159 --> 01:44:04.920 But what's your gut? Tell you what goes down on Saturday. 2210 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:06.880 If you want to throw out your score prediction, please 2211 01:44:06.880 --> 01:44:07.720 feel free to do so. 2212 01:44:09.840 --> 01:44:11.439 Yeah, I would love to tell you that we're gonna 2213 01:44:11.479 --> 01:44:13.399 dog walk them right out of right cycles, but don't. 2214 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:16.159 I don't think that's gonna happen. I think, like I said, 2215 01:44:16.560 --> 01:44:19.119 this game is always decided by a small margin of victory. 2216 01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:23.079 And and uh, I think it's gonna be something like 2217 01:44:23.319 --> 01:44:25.960 a twenty one twenty four outing. 2218 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:29.560 Well, that should make for a fun Saturday. 2219 01:44:29.600 --> 01:44:32.520 Well, of course, if you just picked Utah, you just 2220 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:34.520 made a little news. I assume you were going blue. 2221 01:44:34.840 --> 01:44:36.880 Are are you rolling up here for the game? You're 2222 01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:37.960 gonna be here on Saturday? 2223 01:44:39.039 --> 01:44:41.640 No, I should be doing like the BAU Sports Nation 2224 01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:44.359 pregame and postgame show, so I'll be out of pro 2225 01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:45.159 vote at broadcast. 2226 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.560 Consider well, I really know right. 2227 01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:49.800 On, really appreciate your time, buddies, So enjoy the week. 2228 01:44:49.800 --> 01:44:50.720 It's always a fun one. 2229 01:44:50.720 --> 01:44:53.720 Okay, all right, brother, you too have a great one. 2230 01:44:54.039 --> 01:44:56.960 Austin coley Man was he a player both at Bring 2231 01:44:57.079 --> 01:44:59.760 him Young, then in the NFL and unfortunately his career 2232 01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.800 cut short with concussions. But he's a sweet guy. I 2233 01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:04.840 know you fans don't like him. I've known him for years. 2234 01:45:04.840 --> 01:45:05.600 He's good people. 2235 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.159 So all right, coming up after we say good night, 2236 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:15.000 it is Rivalry Week. Coaches Show, the Coach Win Coaches Show, 2237 01:45:15.039 --> 01:45:19.119 The kylewitting Dam Coach a show during Rivalry week. Oh man, 2238 01:45:19.960 --> 01:45:23.239 I was like nineteen for nineteen, I got daffy ducked. 2239 01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:26.000 We're all gonna do it all week long. So stay 2240 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.199 tuned to the Coach Wit Coaches Show. 2241 01:45:28.199 --> 01:45:32.439 We're live today at Arup Blood Services ninety seven eighty 2242 01:45:32.439 --> 01:45:35.359 six South, five hundred West and Sandy. Come on by, 2243 01:45:35.479 --> 01:45:37.960 donate a little blood, save a life this holiday season. 2244 01:45:38.439 --> 01:45:41.600 You'll be given a megaplex, a gift card. You'll be 2245 01:45:41.840 --> 01:45:46.199 entered to win tickets for Utah BYU on Saturday, tickets 2246 01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:50.920 for Jazz Lakers, tickets for Utah men's basketball against Saint Mary's. 2247 01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:53.640 So come on by ninety seven eighty six South, five 2248 01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:54.239 hundred West. 2249 01:45:54.239 --> 01:45:54.840 It's a big week. 2250 01:45:54.960 --> 01:45:58.600 Excited to have my next guest on played college quarterback. 2251 01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:01.640 Little cup of coffell, not a cup of coffee, cup 2252 01:46:01.680 --> 01:46:04.920 of I don't know, tea whatever it is down at BYU. 2253 01:46:05.039 --> 01:46:07.399 Went to Utah State. He's been in the media for 2254 01:46:07.399 --> 01:46:09.039 a while. He's a good buddy of mine. Great to 2255 01:46:09.039 --> 01:46:11.960 have Riley Jensen on on a Tuesday. Riley, Happy Tuesday, man, 2256 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:13.960 how you doing, Hey. 2257 01:46:13.760 --> 01:46:19.119 What's happening? It was a cup of decap you know, Okay, okay, 2258 01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:21.279 I get it because these guys are down there. I'm 2259 01:46:21.279 --> 01:46:23.039 glad you guys are down there give us blood. My 2260 01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:26.079 daughter was born at twenty five weeks oh wow. And 2261 01:46:26.119 --> 01:46:30.840 some of the blood from Arup was donated for the 2262 01:46:30.880 --> 01:46:34.520 four transfusions that my daughter received. And I'm not trying 2263 01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:36.319 to make it a sad story, but it's an amazing 2264 01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:38.560 thing that we do when we give blood. Because my 2265 01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:42.840 daughter's a thriving twelve year old playing basketball, playing soccer, 2266 01:46:43.600 --> 01:46:45.359 and it just means a lot when people do what 2267 01:46:45.399 --> 01:46:45.840 they're doing. 2268 01:46:46.279 --> 01:46:47.840 That's great to hear if Now, I had a little 2269 01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:49.760 nephew born about at the same time, so I know 2270 01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:51.760 what that's like to watch them try to grow. So 2271 01:46:51.880 --> 01:46:55.199 great here that she's doing well, Really appreciate your time. 2272 01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.520 Let you start from this standpoint as a local boy, 2273 01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:00.600 how does this week hit you when you hear it's 2274 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:02.239 time for Utah b YU football? 2275 01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:06.359 Well, as a as a as a youngster, I grew 2276 01:47:06.439 --> 01:47:08.319 up as a as a huge b y U fan. 2277 01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:10.600 Now you got to remember I grew up in the 2278 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.600 in the in the b YU era of Jim McMahon, 2279 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:18.119 Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and uh Ty Depver. So those 2280 01:47:18.319 --> 01:47:20.680 those were some big years for me to watch football, 2281 01:47:21.600 --> 01:47:24.920 and I can remember. I can remember all the games 2282 01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:29.680 since I remember being old enough to even watch. And 2283 01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:33.319 I think that with the exception of a couple of 2284 01:47:33.399 --> 01:47:35.880 runs with the youths and a couple of runs with 2285 01:47:36.039 --> 01:47:40.119 or one run with b YU, it's been fairly even 2286 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:45.199 throughout the years and just a fun It's a fun beat. 2287 01:47:45.479 --> 01:47:49.079 I love how everybody's bursting in the seams to pump 2288 01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:53.319 out their chests and uh, you know, I know people 2289 01:47:53.319 --> 01:47:56.119 get a little bit upset about the verbiage and the 2290 01:47:56.159 --> 01:48:00.640 words and the vitriol that takes place, but I I 2291 01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.119 think rivalries are healthy and I think they're really fun. 2292 01:48:03.479 --> 01:48:06.039 And I think it's a fun week every year when 2293 01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:08.039 when when we get the CB y U and. 2294 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.920 Up player see, I'm with you. I love this week. 2295 01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:11.680 I always have. 2296 01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:14.199 And I never played for a paycheck, but you know, 2297 01:48:14.239 --> 01:48:16.319 I was part of a couple of really fun high 2298 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:20.600 school rivalry game situations and I always love that anticipation. 2299 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:23.239 Take me into your experience. 2300 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:25.399 As a player wherever you played, because you played in 2301 01:48:25.399 --> 01:48:27.279 a number of different schools, played at a high level. 2302 01:48:27.640 --> 01:48:30.640 When you knew that that week you were playing your rival, 2303 01:48:30.720 --> 01:48:33.720 what's the energy like what's the what's the week like? 2304 01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:34.800 Is it tough to sleep? 2305 01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:35.039 Like? 2306 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:36.920 What's it like for these players this week? 2307 01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:39.119 Well? 2308 01:48:39.159 --> 01:48:42.000 I think I was fortunate in some of my rivalry 2309 01:48:42.039 --> 01:48:44.279 games that that my coaches didn't make too big of 2310 01:48:44.319 --> 01:48:46.279 a deal of it. But I think the thing that 2311 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:50.600 I could say about each rivalry game that I played 2312 01:48:50.640 --> 01:48:55.640 in is that you don't have any trouble getting fired 2313 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.960 up for the game you're You don't have a lot 2314 01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:01.600 of trouble focused. I think you have a little bit 2315 01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:04.960 of inpatience for teammates that aren't dialed in, and that 2316 01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:08.239 quickly gets fixed. And I think that's why sometimes when 2317 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:10.479 you see a rivalry game and you know, the youth 2318 01:49:11.479 --> 01:49:13.840 by all intents and purposes, have not had the year 2319 01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:16.279 that they were hoping or thinking they would have, you 2320 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:19.720 and BYU is having a year that maybe they didn't 2321 01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:22.000 think they were going to have. Maybe internally they did, 2322 01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:23.439 but a lot of fans didn't think they. 2323 01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:23.840 Were going to have. 2324 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:28.039 The youths right now are going to be motivated and 2325 01:49:28.079 --> 01:49:29.760 they're going to be ready to play. And I think 2326 01:49:29.800 --> 01:49:34.479 that's why sometimes when there's a discrepancy between records, the 2327 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:37.640 game becomes a lot closer because it's just not tough 2328 01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:39.800 to get motivated during a rivalry week. 2329 01:49:41.039 --> 01:49:47.520 So ultimately, there really isn't any data available to indicate Utah's. 2330 01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:49.119 Better than BYU. It does not exist. 2331 01:49:49.239 --> 01:49:51.560 I'm not just talking about the records. If you dig 2332 01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:54.680 into the numbers and the stats, there are a few 2333 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:58.439 metrics that ind k Utah's defense is better than BYUS. 2334 01:49:59.119 --> 01:50:01.199 But for every metric if you find on defense, you 2335 01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:05.560 can find a couple of other metrics. Defensively, BYUS better 2336 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:08.439 at getting to the quarterback, they're better at forcing turnovers, 2337 01:50:09.039 --> 01:50:11.000 they're better at causing havoc plays. 2338 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:13.520 So there's no data. 2339 01:50:13.279 --> 01:50:16.000 Available to give a youth fan, you know, hope that 2340 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:20.039 their team could win this game coming up. However, as 2341 01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:22.520 you just outlined, and as we've talked about all week, 2342 01:50:23.039 --> 01:50:27.680 the bizarre nature of the game leads to chaotic situations 2343 01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:32.479 often times. Now I saw your tweets and I want 2344 01:50:32.479 --> 01:50:35.199 to dig into them. Now you send out a tweet 2345 01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:39.880 highlighting the good in Utah's offense. I was impressed you 2346 01:50:39.960 --> 01:50:41.880 found some because there has not been a lot. Now 2347 01:50:42.439 --> 01:50:47.640 in your video breakdown, you have Isaac starting. I believe 2348 01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:51.960 it's going to be Brandon. However, conceptually, let's dig into it. 2349 01:50:52.199 --> 01:50:54.640 There's a new play caller. It's Mike Pajaking. We've only 2350 01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:57.399 seen one game, but from your eye is somebody who's 2351 01:50:57.399 --> 01:50:59.720 played the quarterback position. What can you share with you 2352 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:04.199 fan about the things offensively that you uncovered that actually 2353 01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:04.960 are positive? 2354 01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:10.079 Well, so so there, I'm not I'm not saying they 2355 01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:12.159 have any inside source on who's going to start it 2356 01:51:12.239 --> 01:51:15.319 all because they don't. Just looking through the video, and 2357 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.760 granted I don't have as as much video on mister 2358 01:51:19.920 --> 01:51:23.720 Rose as I do on on Isaac Wilson, I still 2359 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.399 think that Isaac gives them the best chance to win. Now, 2360 01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:29.479 if that may not be right, that may not be 2361 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:34.840 what they observe in practice, but I think when I 2362 01:51:35.039 --> 01:51:37.880 when I dug into the video, I'm seeing a young 2363 01:51:37.920 --> 01:51:39.840 man who's stilling a lot of pressure to make a 2364 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:42.760 lot of plays. And what I would like to see 2365 01:51:43.479 --> 01:51:45.159 is I would like to see the offensive line for 2366 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:47.920 the University of Taught played better. I think they've shown 2367 01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:49.840 that they can make some scenes in the run game. 2368 01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:52.479 There's been a lot of confusion this year, and there's 2369 01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:55.479 been a lot of just different different places this year 2370 01:51:55.520 --> 01:51:58.600 where I've seen that they've not protected very well, and 2371 01:51:58.640 --> 01:52:00.520 they haven't done a good job of I'm going with 2372 01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:04.159 the running back to protect the quarterback. When Isaac Wilson 2373 01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.960 is protected, he can get the ball downfield and he 2374 01:52:07.000 --> 01:52:07.920 can make some throws. 2375 01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:08.199 Now. 2376 01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:11.800 Granted, I will say in the Houston game he missed 2377 01:52:12.279 --> 01:52:16.479 five six eight throws that I don't think it takes 2378 01:52:16.560 --> 01:52:19.600 a rocket scientist to figure out that he'd lost some 2379 01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:23.479 confidence and he's lost a little bit of his futzbuh 2380 01:52:23.520 --> 01:52:26.439 from the beginning of the year. But I do think 2381 01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:29.039 that if they can get the running game going, if 2382 01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:33.039 they can get some special teams field position stuff going, 2383 01:52:33.079 --> 01:52:36.000 and they're able to use some play action and sure 2384 01:52:36.119 --> 01:52:39.600 up some of their protection problems, I do think that 2385 01:52:39.720 --> 01:52:42.239 Isaac can throw the ball, and I do think that 2386 01:52:42.279 --> 01:52:46.840 they could use play action because I actually, I actually 2387 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.600 think that they can have a great run game if 2388 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.880 they clean that up a little bit as well. But 2389 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:54.119 I think it hinges more on the offensive line than 2390 01:52:54.159 --> 01:52:55.279 who's playing a quarterback. 2391 01:52:55.279 --> 01:52:57.680 To be honest with you, it's exactly what I wanted 2392 01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:00.560 to follow up because based off your video breakdown, from 2393 01:53:00.560 --> 01:53:02.600 my vantage point, it has been far. 2394 01:53:02.439 --> 01:53:04.760 From the weakness. There's been more good than bad. 2395 01:53:04.840 --> 01:53:08.560 Now I cannot cooperate any of the rumors concerning the health, 2396 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:11.279 but there are some rumors that Utah could be down 2397 01:53:11.319 --> 01:53:12.279 a couple of on linemen. 2398 01:53:12.319 --> 01:53:13.479 We'll have to wait and see. 2399 01:53:13.840 --> 01:53:16.920 But during your video study, what stood out most to 2400 01:53:16.920 --> 01:53:18.359 you about the play of the old line? 2401 01:53:19.359 --> 01:53:22.720 So in the old line, what's been a problem for 2402 01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:26.000 me has been the center and the guards. And that's 2403 01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:29.880 a tricky part of the oppensive line because there's constantly 2404 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:33.399 some communication that needs to take place that says, Okay, 2405 01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.640 the center and the guard are going to go left, 2406 01:53:35.840 --> 01:53:38.119 this guy on the right is going to go to 2407 01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:40.920 the right. There's always kind of a triangle of defense 2408 01:53:41.000 --> 01:53:44.319 right in the middle there, and they've miscommunicated quite a 2409 01:53:44.319 --> 01:53:47.159 few times. When they communicate correctly and they go to 2410 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:49.359 the right place, they're great blockers and they're doing a 2411 01:53:49.359 --> 01:53:54.239 great thing. But there's been numerous times, as I've dug 2412 01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:56.720 deep into the video, where I feel like there's been 2413 01:53:56.760 --> 01:54:00.479 some confusion there. And I don't know exactly how University 2414 01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:03.399 Utah calls their protections. I don't know if that's then 2415 01:54:03.439 --> 01:54:06.079 if it's the quarterback calling the protections, if it's the 2416 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:08.479 center calling the protections. Usually it's one of those two. 2417 01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:13.199 But to me, it's just been too inconsistent. And when you. 2418 01:54:13.199 --> 01:54:15.119 Constantly have a guy in your face when. 2419 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:17.760 You're throwing the ball, it makes it difficult to throw 2420 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:20.159 the ball down shield. When they've been able to do it, 2421 01:54:20.840 --> 01:54:23.000 they've they've been really good, and they've been able to 2422 01:54:23.000 --> 01:54:25.319 get behind some defenses, and they've done some good things. 2423 01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:28.319 Now I think really good, I'm thinking good on those 2424 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:30.279 high plated incidences. 2425 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:31.279 They haven't. 2426 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:35.319 What's been frustrated with the University Utah offense is not 2427 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:38.680 being able to stream together two and three drives a game. 2428 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:42.119 It's all been kind of big plays or no plays. 2429 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:45.079 So on the other side of things, you also did 2430 01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:48.079 a video breakdown of Utah's defense, and most of the 2431 01:54:48.119 --> 01:54:52.359 metrics for Utah's defense they're very good, including number one 2432 01:54:52.359 --> 01:54:55.720 of the conference in average yards allowed. And I will 2433 01:54:55.760 --> 01:54:58.520 not bore my audience by just running down all their 2434 01:54:58.560 --> 01:54:59.680 defensive numbers. 2435 01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.439 I'd say that the meat and potatoes of defensive. 2436 01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:05.760 Football, Utah is still probably a top three or four 2437 01:55:06.000 --> 01:55:09.359 defense in the conference. What they haven't done well, and 2438 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:11.199 you're gonna walk us through this, is they have not 2439 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:13.680 got to the quarterback and they have not forced turnovers. 2440 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:17.239 They're last in the conference in fumbles recovered. I think 2441 01:55:17.359 --> 01:55:21.520 at last check they were twelfth maybe in sacks. So 2442 01:55:22.039 --> 01:55:25.000 the things that Utah typically does well on defense, they're 2443 01:55:25.039 --> 01:55:28.319 not necessarily doing well yet. But you also did a 2444 01:55:28.359 --> 01:55:31.960 video breakdown of Morgan's defense, so let's dig into that. 2445 01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:34.359 What should you fans know about what you were able 2446 01:55:34.359 --> 01:55:37.560 to uncover? That should give them some confidence that they 2447 01:55:37.560 --> 01:55:39.479 can slow down one of the top two or three 2448 01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:41.159 scoring offenses in the Big Twelve. 2449 01:55:43.039 --> 01:55:46.159 So one of the things that I mean, obviously I've 2450 01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:48.720 had a lot of respect for Morgan's defense in the past. 2451 01:55:49.239 --> 01:55:51.399 You still have a lot of respect for it. What 2452 01:55:51.520 --> 01:55:53.359 I would like to see them do a little bit 2453 01:55:53.359 --> 01:55:55.880 more of There's been some really really good playing during 2454 01:55:55.880 --> 01:55:58.359 the year where they're just playing fundamental defense, but coming 2455 01:55:58.439 --> 01:56:01.600 out in a man demand defense with a free safety, 2456 01:56:01.640 --> 01:56:04.119 they call a Cover one and they just play it 2457 01:56:04.159 --> 01:56:06.960 really really tough, or they come out and they play 2458 01:56:07.039 --> 01:56:11.119 Cover Q and they just play really really fundamentally sound defense. 2459 01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:13.159 What I'd like to see them do is trying to 2460 01:56:13.199 --> 01:56:17.319 confuse quarterbacks, try and confuse people in the run game 2461 01:56:17.359 --> 01:56:20.239 a little bit, because when they've done it on the breakdown, 2462 01:56:20.279 --> 01:56:25.359 that I sent to you and that you observe. When 2463 01:56:25.479 --> 01:56:28.119 they run blitch and when they do some things to 2464 01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:33.920 confuse the offensive line, they're especially especially efficient. And if 2465 01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:36.920 they can make teams one dimensional, which has always been 2466 01:56:37.600 --> 01:56:41.760 the calling card of Morgan Scalley and of Kyle Winningham, 2467 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:45.000 is to take away the run game and then really 2468 01:56:45.079 --> 01:56:47.039 be able to pin their ears back. I think you 2469 01:56:47.079 --> 01:56:49.560 can see them get some pressure on the quarterback. The 2470 01:56:49.600 --> 01:56:55.359 problem has been that they don't have enough consistency on 2471 01:56:55.600 --> 01:56:59.159 the passing downs on getting to the quarterback. With just 2472 01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:02.760 four they've had to bring pressure and that's always frustrating 2473 01:57:02.800 --> 01:57:04.760 through a defense coordinator if they have to bring more 2474 01:57:04.760 --> 01:57:07.119 than four guys to get pressure on the quarterback, because 2475 01:57:07.119 --> 01:57:10.640 then you're giving yourself one on one matchups in the backfield. 2476 01:57:11.079 --> 01:57:13.199 It can be a little bit a little bit difficult. 2477 01:57:13.199 --> 01:57:15.199 They're a little bit more scary than if you can 2478 01:57:15.239 --> 01:57:16.399 get pressure on the quarterback. 2479 01:57:16.439 --> 01:57:18.239 What's for all? 2480 01:57:18.319 --> 01:57:21.000 Right, So let's go over now to the other side 2481 01:57:21.039 --> 01:57:23.319 of things and talk about what Brigham Young has been 2482 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:25.920 able to do. And Jake Rahetzoff got the ball four 2483 01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:28.920 times last year, lost all four starts, and he wins 2484 01:57:28.960 --> 01:57:32.039 the job coming out of camp, and if we're honest, 2485 01:57:32.079 --> 01:57:34.439 it didn't look great early. And if we're honest, there 2486 01:57:34.439 --> 01:57:37.079 are still moments during every game where he makes some 2487 01:57:38.319 --> 01:57:40.159 throws that he gets away with. But you can't take 2488 01:57:40.199 --> 01:57:43.600 anything away from the way he's played as they're undefeated 2489 01:57:43.640 --> 01:57:45.800 and by most metrics he's one of the top two 2490 01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:48.079 or three quarterbacks in the league. So what stood out 2491 01:57:48.119 --> 01:57:50.680 most to you about this eight and zer start and 2492 01:57:50.760 --> 01:57:52.880 the play of BYU's quarterback Jake Rhetzoff. 2493 01:57:54.479 --> 01:57:57.640 So getting better and better and better at being a 2494 01:57:57.680 --> 01:58:00.640 strong armed quarterback that just takes what the defense gives him. 2495 01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:03.720 He's doing a good job pre and post snap of 2496 01:58:03.760 --> 01:58:07.039 reading the defense. And what I love about him later 2497 01:58:07.079 --> 01:58:08.840 in the season that I didn't like as much at 2498 01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:11.239 the first of the season is he's not afraid to 2499 01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:13.319 check it down to one of his running backs. He's 2500 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:16.880 not afraid to check it down to someone who is 2501 01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:19.920 wide open instead of trying to force the ball downfield. 2502 01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:24.439 He's also particularly strong. He has eighteen touchdowns and seven 2503 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:28.279 interceptions on the year, but eleven of his touchdowns are 2504 01:58:28.279 --> 01:58:32.560 in the red zone with zero interceptions, and typically when 2505 01:58:32.600 --> 01:58:37.760 you're in the red zone, the space to throw the 2506 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:39.880 ball and the amount of time that you have to 2507 01:58:39.960 --> 01:58:42.840 the ball gets a lot smaller. And so that's a 2508 01:58:42.880 --> 01:58:45.920 really really impressive stat to me. He's doing a great 2509 01:58:46.000 --> 01:58:49.359 job of taking care of the football there, and I 2510 01:58:49.399 --> 01:58:51.520 think he's just doing a good job. He can make 2511 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:55.399 all the throws. There's some footwork that makes him like 2512 01:58:55.520 --> 01:58:58.319 airmail a couple of passes here and there. But what 2513 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:01.000 I like about him is the reads are correct right now. 2514 01:59:01.039 --> 01:59:03.560 So even when he does make a bath row, the 2515 01:59:03.680 --> 01:59:06.479 read is correct. And that's a lot easier to fix 2516 01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:10.039 as a quarterbacks coach or an offensive coordinator than it 2517 01:59:10.119 --> 01:59:13.680 is to try and fix the mentality or to fix 2518 01:59:14.159 --> 01:59:16.279 where I want you throwing the ball. It's a lot 2519 01:59:16.319 --> 01:59:19.520 easier to fix the accuracy with footwork or with some 2520 01:59:19.520 --> 01:59:20.920 consistency in practice. 2521 01:59:22.119 --> 01:59:25.039 So I read a couple of stats about BYU's defense 2522 01:59:25.079 --> 01:59:27.560 that kind of blew me away. They're plus eighteen in 2523 01:59:27.640 --> 01:59:31.880 turnover margin, that's six in the country. They have fourteen picks, 2524 01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:36.319 that's third in the country. Rightley, they've outscored opponents sixty 2525 01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:37.520 nine to ten. 2526 01:59:37.680 --> 01:59:38.720 Off of turnovers. 2527 01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:42.680 Okay, so at some point, isn't there some regression to 2528 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:43.039 the meme? 2529 01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:44.520 I mean that seems to be. 2530 01:59:44.800 --> 01:59:49.159 And obviously that's the way Kyle Whittingham wants to coach football, 2531 01:59:49.239 --> 01:59:52.119 right and that's the way Killanne and Jay cut their 2532 01:59:52.159 --> 01:59:54.399 teeth under coach Wait. As I've been saying now for 2533 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:58.720 a while, it's almost like Kilani is taking Kyle's script 2534 01:59:58.960 --> 02:00:03.000 and out utah utah. Right now, what stands out most 2535 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:04.439 about what they've done on that side of. 2536 02:00:04.359 --> 02:00:10.239 The ball, no question about it. Look, I've been around 2537 02:00:10.600 --> 02:00:12.600 I've been around Jay Hill for a long time at 2538 02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:14.720 Weaver State, and there's not a ton of people that 2539 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:18.319 are watching Weaver State football. I think that Jay Hill 2540 02:00:18.560 --> 02:00:21.279 is one of the best defensive coordinators in the country 2541 02:00:21.279 --> 02:00:24.560 at making halftime adjustments. I've never seen a guy that 2542 02:00:24.720 --> 02:00:27.159 is more cool, calm and collected at knowing exactly what 2543 02:00:27.239 --> 02:00:30.720 he needs to do to make adjustments at halftime. The 2544 02:00:30.800 --> 02:00:33.279 other thing that he does so well, and this is 2545 02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:35.600 what I was talking about with Morgan, and I've seen 2546 02:00:35.640 --> 02:00:37.159 more to do it in the past, and maybe he 2547 02:00:37.159 --> 02:00:39.359 just doesn't have as much confidence in his defense this 2548 02:00:39.439 --> 02:00:42.319 year to do it is i'd like to see. I 2549 02:00:42.560 --> 02:00:45.039 like what I see out of the BIU defense because 2550 02:00:45.640 --> 02:00:48.279 not only are they trying to confuse the offensive line 2551 02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:50.399 when it comes to the run game, but in the 2552 02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:53.880 passing game, they're doing all different kinds of looks. They'll 2553 02:00:53.920 --> 02:00:56.000 start in to cover one and move to cover two. 2554 02:00:56.039 --> 02:00:57.680 They'll start in to cover two and go to a 2555 02:00:57.760 --> 02:01:00.840 Tampa two, and they'll start to cover three and roll 2556 02:01:00.920 --> 02:01:03.239 to a Cover two. Those are all big fancy words 2557 02:01:03.279 --> 02:01:08.720 for they're trying to make the offensive line, the quarterback, 2558 02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:12.920 and the wide receivers hesitate for just a minute. And 2559 02:01:12.960 --> 02:01:15.079 as the old phrase goes that my dad used to 2560 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:18.000 something when I was eight years old, he who hesitates 2561 02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:21.079 is lost. And if you hesitate for just a minute 2562 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:23.840 in the passing games, or if you're just looking at 2563 02:01:23.920 --> 02:01:26.840 it a little bit longer to be sure, that leads 2564 02:01:26.880 --> 02:01:28.920 to turnovers. And that's why they've been able to turn 2565 02:01:28.960 --> 02:01:32.760 people over fourteen interceptions. They have turnovers that it doesn't 2566 02:01:32.800 --> 02:01:34.720 surprise me at all that they're six in the country. 2567 02:01:35.399 --> 02:01:38.640 And this hasn't been a defense that at certain points 2568 02:01:38.720 --> 02:01:41.560 during the year they've won games. I mean the SMU games, 2569 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:44.359 they've won that game for them flat out. They just 2570 02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:46.840 won the game for them. Now, there's been some games 2571 02:01:46.880 --> 02:01:49.199 that haven't been as good, like the Oklahoma State games 2572 02:01:49.880 --> 02:01:51.920 and that's where the offense got to step up, and 2573 02:01:51.960 --> 02:01:54.239 that's where I think there's a lot of momentup for REYUS. 2574 02:01:54.239 --> 02:01:58.279 They've been making plays in special teams, offense and defense, 2575 02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:00.920 and that makes it really really fun and helps the 2576 02:02:00.960 --> 02:02:04.880 team to come together to play good football. Why use 2577 02:02:04.920 --> 02:02:08.359 a good football teams? And everywhere I look, I'm seeing 2578 02:02:08.359 --> 02:02:12.079 the evidence and the fingerprints of really really good football, 2579 02:02:12.159 --> 02:02:16.640 including a quarterback, including on defense, and including the special teams. 2580 02:02:16.960 --> 02:02:19.119 All right, Riley, with a couple of minutes we have left, 2581 02:02:19.159 --> 02:02:22.399 here's what we'll do. Let's start with dissecting and just 2582 02:02:22.479 --> 02:02:26.319 kind of out, you know, laying out at BYU win. 2583 02:02:26.520 --> 02:02:28.239 What does it look like on Saturday? 2584 02:02:28.399 --> 02:02:31.880 It opened up as a five point spread, Vegas typically 2585 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:34.479 building three for the home field. So that's Vegas saying 2586 02:02:34.520 --> 02:02:36.800 they believe BYU is about a touchdown a little more 2587 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:39.520 better than Utah. This spreads down to three and a half. 2588 02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:41.920 It's a rivalry game. We'll get to the Utah side 2589 02:02:42.279 --> 02:02:45.000 in a moment. But how does BYU roll in the 2590 02:02:45.079 --> 02:02:46.760 salt A can beat Utah on Saturday night? 2591 02:02:47.000 --> 02:02:47.720 What does that look like? 2592 02:02:48.720 --> 02:02:52.600 So they make the University of Utah one dimensional, They 2593 02:02:52.600 --> 02:02:55.960 take away the run, game, they make them pass the ball. 2594 02:02:56.039 --> 02:02:58.439 It doesn't matter whether it's Rose or whether it's Wilson, 2595 02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:01.920 either one of the those guys are particularly confident right 2596 02:03:01.920 --> 02:03:04.399 now in the passing game. And then they get a 2597 02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:08.359 couple of cheap turnovers, either through a fumble on a 2598 02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.319 sack fumble type thing they or they get an interception, 2599 02:03:12.119 --> 02:03:14.760 and then offensively they continue to take care of the 2600 02:03:14.760 --> 02:03:20.760 football and rest Lap doesn't make any major turnovers in 2601 02:03:20.800 --> 02:03:23.920 the red zone like he's done all year. And if 2602 02:03:23.960 --> 02:03:26.159 they do that, I think you see b or you 2603 02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:28.960 win by two touchdowns or more. At the University of 2604 02:03:29.039 --> 02:03:29.880 Utah this weekend. 2605 02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:31.439 You know, I kind of agree with that. 2606 02:03:31.640 --> 02:03:33.840 As we get closer and closer, I've got a lot 2607 02:03:33.880 --> 02:03:36.279 of yout friends that are downright nervous, some who are 2608 02:03:36.319 --> 02:03:40.399 not even attending. But as we know throughout the course 2609 02:03:40.439 --> 02:03:42.039 of I grew up in this rivalry. 2610 02:03:42.520 --> 02:03:44.000 I went to school at Utah. 2611 02:03:44.399 --> 02:03:46.520 I've been in the media now full time for eighteen 2612 02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:49.640 years total, just over twenty so I've covered these things. 2613 02:03:49.640 --> 02:03:53.439 I've been to them, and it's very rare that I 2614 02:03:53.520 --> 02:03:56.960 approach this game with a finite statement about what's going 2615 02:03:56.960 --> 02:03:59.520 to happen, because I have just seen chaos all the 2616 02:03:59.520 --> 02:04:02.680 way around. You can fake you can fake a lot 2617 02:04:02.680 --> 02:04:06.640 of things. You can't fake desperation. And if Utah doesn't 2618 02:04:06.680 --> 02:04:09.319 come out and play with desperation, I agree with you, 2619 02:04:09.399 --> 02:04:10.439 they could get cooked. 2620 02:04:10.840 --> 02:04:13.840 But on the other side, it feels like if Utah. 2621 02:04:13.680 --> 02:04:15.039 Is gonna win it, this is just mean that I'm 2622 02:04:15.079 --> 02:04:16.720 gonna give you the space force set you lose. 2623 02:04:17.319 --> 02:04:19.039 It's like seventeen fourteen. 2624 02:04:19.399 --> 02:04:21.399 You know they are able to run it a little bit, 2625 02:04:21.720 --> 02:04:25.800 control the clock, stay clean, don't turn it over. I 2626 02:04:25.840 --> 02:04:28.239 don't have any confidence in this offense to score more 2627 02:04:28.279 --> 02:04:30.720 than twenty one twenty four points. They haven't done it 2628 02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:33.800 against a P four team this year. So on the 2629 02:04:33.840 --> 02:04:37.079 other side, what does a Utah football upset win look 2630 02:04:37.159 --> 02:04:38.079 like on Saturday Night? 2631 02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:41.960 So I think in some way or another they got 2632 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:44.279 to win special teams. There has to be some sort 2633 02:04:44.279 --> 02:04:47.279 of either just filled position that they're winning quite a bit, 2634 02:04:48.000 --> 02:04:50.239 or some sort of a fake, some sort of a 2635 02:04:50.279 --> 02:04:53.840 big play from special teams, which that had been a 2636 02:04:53.840 --> 02:04:57.119 hallmart of Kyle winning an teams. But it feels like 2637 02:04:57.159 --> 02:04:59.640 in the last couple of years that hasn't been as 2638 02:04:59.680 --> 02:05:02.560 a good as it has been in the past. It 2639 02:05:02.560 --> 02:05:04.479 doesn't mean that it can't be, but it just it 2640 02:05:04.520 --> 02:05:09.800 doesn't feel quite as dialed in. I think defensively, they've 2641 02:05:09.840 --> 02:05:12.079 got to figure out a way to get pressure on 2642 02:05:12.199 --> 02:05:15.119 reds Lap with just four They can't allow him to 2643 02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:18.279 throw one on one matchups because he's really good when 2644 02:05:18.279 --> 02:05:20.239 he knows that he just has to pick a matchup 2645 02:05:20.279 --> 02:05:25.319 and throw it. And then I think defensively they've got 2646 02:05:25.319 --> 02:05:27.640 to figure out a way to get turnovers as well. 2647 02:05:28.159 --> 02:05:31.000 Like like you said, they're playing good defense. The metrics 2648 02:05:31.000 --> 02:05:33.279 are really good. They've got to get a couple of 2649 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:37.159 turnovers and a couple of short fields for this offense 2650 02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:40.359 to either get field goals or touchdowns because of what 2651 02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:44.720 they've done defensively. And I think, I think, listen, I 2652 02:05:44.760 --> 02:05:46.680 know I just said. On the other hand, you were 2653 02:05:46.680 --> 02:05:48.760 asked me what it would take for BYU to win. 2654 02:05:48.840 --> 02:05:51.359 I think if all goes well for b are you 2655 02:05:51.439 --> 02:05:54.000 with they win by fourteen. I think this is more 2656 02:05:54.039 --> 02:05:57.119 closer to the lines that's being drawn. I think this 2657 02:05:57.199 --> 02:06:00.640 is a twenty one seventeen game. I think this is 2658 02:06:00.680 --> 02:06:03.920 a twenty four to fourteen game. I think this is 2659 02:06:03.960 --> 02:06:06.720 a and that could be either way. I just think 2660 02:06:06.760 --> 02:06:08.800 the University Utah is going to have a little bit 2661 02:06:08.840 --> 02:06:11.920 of extra in him. Kyle Winningham's always been tough on 2662 02:06:12.000 --> 02:06:14.119 a bye week. I know both of around bye weeks, 2663 02:06:14.119 --> 02:06:17.880 but Kyle's tough on bye weeks, and it's mostly because 2664 02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:20.159 they go back to the fundamentals and they have a 2665 02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:21.840 little bit of time to take a deep breath and 2666 02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:24.479 figure out what's going on offensively and defensively. 2667 02:06:25.159 --> 02:06:27.399 Riley, you demand tell everybody where they can go find 2668 02:06:27.399 --> 02:06:29.199 you up on your socials or whatever you want to 2669 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:30.000 get out there. 2670 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:34.159 Yeah, just follow me at Riley Jensen. That's r I 2671 02:06:34.319 --> 02:06:37.319 L E Y j E N SCN. Obviously, I have 2672 02:06:37.399 --> 02:06:41.359 a mental performance coach in sports psychology. I help athlete 2673 02:06:41.399 --> 02:06:43.479 from the age of eight to fifty two. I have 2674 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:46.000 a fifty two year old steer wrestler and an eight 2675 02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:49.760 year old soccer player and everything in between, including PGA 2676 02:06:49.840 --> 02:06:55.640 golfers and pro basketball players that the in set and 2677 02:06:55.680 --> 02:07:00.079 how to control and react to different pressure situations. So 2678 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.720 you can find me there at Riley Jensen, and there's 2679 02:07:03.760 --> 02:07:06.479 plenty of places there where you can find where you 2680 02:07:06.479 --> 02:07:07.199 can get a hold of me. 2681 02:07:08.199 --> 02:07:10.640 All right, brother, I appreciate the time during a fun 2682 02:07:10.680 --> 02:07:12.760 week and stay safe and reach out if I can 2683 02:07:12.800 --> 02:07:13.399 do anything for you. 2684 02:07:13.439 --> 02:07:16.000 Okay, Yeah, happy ride every week. 2685 02:07:16.800 --> 02:07:20.199 Your commute home on a Tuesday afternoon starts right now. 2686 02:07:20.479 --> 02:07:23.880 Been snowing and been cold, so drive safe out there. 2687 02:07:23.880 --> 02:07:25.840 It looks like we're going to get some snow tonight, 2688 02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:29.000 and according to my guy chased over at KUTV, it's 2689 02:07:29.039 --> 02:07:30.079 going to be the coldest night. 2690 02:07:30.000 --> 02:07:30.520 Of the year. 2691 02:07:31.159 --> 02:07:34.039 So your five o'clock hour, the program starts right now. 2692 02:07:34.159 --> 02:07:36.560 Your commute home on a Tuesday starts right now. 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All right, we're in the midst right 2702 02:08:02.439 --> 02:08:06.079 now of a very tenuous evening that's bringing a lot 2703 02:08:06.119 --> 02:08:09.319 of nerves to folks, and you're gonna get some results 2704 02:08:09.359 --> 02:08:12.159 tonight that you may disagree with. You're gonna get some 2705 02:08:12.760 --> 02:08:15.079 results tonight that you may believe. You know, you may 2706 02:08:15.319 --> 02:08:16.039 not believe that. 2707 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:19.840 It's above board. Let me please encourage you to accept 2708 02:08:20.000 --> 02:08:23.840 the results of the first CFP ranking of the year. 2709 02:08:23.920 --> 02:08:25.399 See what I did there. You guys thought I was 2710 02:08:25.439 --> 02:08:26.560 going somewhere else. I was not. 2711 02:08:27.000 --> 02:08:29.880 So it's going on right now. I'm on remote out 2712 02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:33.600 at Arup. Blood Services would love to see you at 2713 02:08:33.680 --> 02:08:35.800 ninety seven eighty six South five hundred West. 2714 02:08:35.840 --> 02:08:37.199 Come on by if you do not. 2715 02:08:37.359 --> 02:08:40.680 If you do not have tickets for the Utah BYU game, 2716 02:08:40.840 --> 02:08:43.079 this is a way you can get them for free. 2717 02:08:43.119 --> 02:08:43.399 Now. 2718 02:08:44.039 --> 02:08:46.640 If you come on by and donate blood at ninety 2719 02:08:46.640 --> 02:08:49.800 seven eighty six South five hundred West and Sandy, you'll 2720 02:08:49.840 --> 02:08:53.199 get a Megaplex movie gift card, but you'll be intered 2721 02:08:53.239 --> 02:08:56.840 to win tickets to see Utah and BYU coming up 2722 02:08:56.880 --> 02:08:59.600 on Saturday at ricesecls at eight fifteen. You'll also be 2723 02:08:59.640 --> 02:09:02.720 intered win Jazz Lakers tickets. You'll also be entered to 2724 02:09:02.760 --> 02:09:07.880 win Utah men's basketball versus Saint Mary's basketball, so will 2725 02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:08.680 incentivize you. 2726 02:09:08.720 --> 02:09:10.479 They have great snacks, they're very nice people. 2727 02:09:10.520 --> 02:09:13.399 At ninety seven eighty six out five hundred West and Sandy, 2728 02:09:14.079 --> 02:09:15.159 So come on by. 2729 02:09:15.119 --> 02:09:15.880 And say hello. 2730 02:09:16.039 --> 02:09:19.439 So the show is going on live right now. The 2731 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:23.079 first CFP rankings are going on live right now, and 2732 02:09:23.159 --> 02:09:26.199 as they kind of unfold a little bit. 2733 02:09:26.279 --> 02:09:27.399 We'll bring them to you. 2734 02:09:27.880 --> 02:09:29.800 Typically, if I'm in studio, we can bring them to 2735 02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:32.800 you live VR feed, but I'm not in studio. So 2736 02:09:32.960 --> 02:09:35.920 of course the big question around here is now a 2737 02:09:35.920 --> 02:09:37.960 couple of things to dig in. Okay, I was talking 2738 02:09:37.960 --> 02:09:40.760 to Scott Mitchell about this earlier, little confusion. So these 2739 02:09:40.920 --> 02:09:45.840 rankings are not the seedings for the twelve team bracket. Okay, 2740 02:09:45.920 --> 02:09:49.359 that's not how this works. So if you see BYU 2741 02:09:49.439 --> 02:09:52.199 come in tonight, my guess is going to be between 2742 02:09:52.199 --> 02:09:55.279 seven and nine. They're still in play for a top 2743 02:09:55.319 --> 02:09:57.560 four seed as a result of winning the Big twelve 2744 02:09:58.199 --> 02:10:02.279 and the top five conference champs get the top five seeds. 2745 02:10:02.319 --> 02:10:06.399 Now only the top four conference champs get the top 2746 02:10:06.479 --> 02:10:10.119 four seeds. Hence Brigham Young most likely will be the 2747 02:10:10.199 --> 02:10:13.920 fourth ranked conference champ, as the projections right now indicate, 2748 02:10:14.600 --> 02:10:17.680 so they should be the four seed when the bracket 2749 02:10:17.720 --> 02:10:20.159 is revealed, but they will not be the fourth ranked 2750 02:10:20.199 --> 02:10:23.600 team in the country tonight, not even close to it. Okay, 2751 02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:27.119 so keep that in mind. As these kind of comes 2752 02:10:27.159 --> 02:10:30.000 filling in, we'll bring them to you. So twenty five 2753 02:10:30.079 --> 02:10:33.439 is Army undefeated, eight and O twenty four is Missouri 2754 02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:37.960 Clemson down to twenty three, Louisville at twenty two, Washington 2755 02:10:38.000 --> 02:10:40.159 State at twenty one, in Colorado at twenty. 2756 02:10:40.239 --> 02:10:43.079 So they're your first five that have been released as 2757 02:10:43.119 --> 02:10:43.520 of now. 2758 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:47.359 Again, my guess is BYU is probably gonna roll in 2759 02:10:47.399 --> 02:10:50.920 between seven and nine. You know, it'd be interesting to 2760 02:10:50.920 --> 02:10:53.960 see there are still four unbeaten teams and in P 2761 02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:58.079 four football five unbut beaten teams. Overall the aforementioned Army 2762 02:10:59.000 --> 02:11:01.359 situation where they're unbeaten and they're now in the top 2763 02:11:01.359 --> 02:11:02.119 twenty five. 2764 02:11:02.279 --> 02:11:04.479 This also will indicate. 2765 02:11:04.560 --> 02:11:07.479 The essentially the death of the A people after today, 2766 02:11:07.520 --> 02:11:09.359 it doesn't matter, I mean, we'll still pull it up 2767 02:11:09.399 --> 02:11:11.680 for frame of reference to see if we can draw 2768 02:11:11.680 --> 02:11:15.199 any parallels. I anticipate Oregon, of course, will be the 2769 02:11:15.279 --> 02:11:18.840 number one team in a country Georgia, Ohio State. Then 2770 02:11:18.840 --> 02:11:22.880 it gets interesting. Miami's undefeated. Does the committee value what 2771 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:25.760 they've done with some close calls and maybe not the 2772 02:11:25.840 --> 02:11:28.239 great best strength of schedule, They're probably gonna be a 2773 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:31.039 top five team, Texas will be a top five team. 2774 02:11:31.279 --> 02:11:34.760 And then it gets interesting. Penn State they got. 2775 02:11:34.640 --> 02:11:38.960 A loss, they got got obviously. Tennessee has a Bama win, 2776 02:11:39.079 --> 02:11:42.920 but they got got too. Indiana is undefeated and they're 2777 02:11:42.960 --> 02:11:45.880 technically in the AP ahead of BYU, but I wouldn't 2778 02:11:45.920 --> 02:11:49.159 be surprised. BYU has a better strength of record than 2779 02:11:49.199 --> 02:11:52.600 Indiana with a couple of top twenty five wins that 2780 02:11:52.680 --> 02:11:54.920 I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU. 2781 02:11:54.520 --> 02:11:56.199 At eight in Indiana at nine. 2782 02:11:56.279 --> 02:11:59.279 Notre Dame has bounced back, but they have that NIU 2783 02:11:59.319 --> 02:12:02.600 loss at home. NIU has lost four games since beat 2784 02:12:02.720 --> 02:12:03.279 Notre Dame. 2785 02:12:03.800 --> 02:12:05.560 What do they do with the two loss Bama? 2786 02:12:05.760 --> 02:12:08.720 And it does bring in Boise State and even SMU 2787 02:12:08.760 --> 02:12:11.840 into the equation a little bit. I think Texas A 2788 02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:14.319 and M with our second loss had dropped out LSU 2789 02:12:14.600 --> 02:12:17.520 in addition to that Iowa State. What happens with the 2790 02:12:17.520 --> 02:12:20.399 rest of the Big twelve only time will tell. But 2791 02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:25.640 again reminder, the rankings are not a direct reflection of 2792 02:12:25.760 --> 02:12:30.039 the seeding. So the top five teams it is the 2793 02:12:30.039 --> 02:12:31.680 top five conference champs to get the. 2794 02:12:31.640 --> 02:12:32.399 Top five seeds. 2795 02:12:32.439 --> 02:12:35.439 The top four get buys and then teams five through 2796 02:12:35.520 --> 02:12:39.720 eight actually host the first round of the CFP. 2797 02:12:40.479 --> 02:12:42.960 So it's kind of interesting if your BYU. 2798 02:12:43.520 --> 02:12:45.359 This isn't going to happen because the only way it 2799 02:12:45.359 --> 02:12:47.640 will happen is if Boise State somehow is ranked ahead 2800 02:12:47.640 --> 02:12:50.159 of them. But would you want to be the fifth 2801 02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:54.279 conference champ in the seedings and therefore host a playoff 2802 02:12:54.319 --> 02:12:57.760 game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Some more rankings coming in. 2803 02:12:57.880 --> 02:13:01.800 Kansas State is at nineteen, Pick comes in at eighteen. 2804 02:13:02.039 --> 02:13:04.840 Iowa State, as we talked about there at seventeen. That's 2805 02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:07.039 down from where I thought they would be a week ago. 2806 02:13:07.239 --> 02:13:10.279 Old Miss at sixteen, LSU at fifteen. Like I said, 2807 02:13:10.279 --> 02:13:12.680 it does feel like they're kind of out of the mix. 2808 02:13:12.760 --> 02:13:15.000 So as these things come spilling in, we will bring 2809 02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:17.920 them to you as far as how the program kind 2810 02:13:17.920 --> 02:13:20.079 of unfolds. We started the show off today with Tim McMahon. 2811 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:23.399 We did a little Utah Jazz shout out to the Jazz. 2812 02:13:23.399 --> 02:13:25.520 They got their first win of the season. They're gonna 2813 02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:28.079 try to do it again against Milwaukee coming up tomorrow. 2814 02:13:28.199 --> 02:13:31.479 Milwaukee won in six no. Chris Middleton, so we did 2815 02:13:31.479 --> 02:13:34.479 a little basketball on the show. Scott Mitchell rolled by 2816 02:13:34.520 --> 02:13:37.880 Live on site. I thought the Scott stuff was interesting 2817 02:13:37.920 --> 02:13:41.560 today because Scott, you know, regardless of what he did 2818 02:13:42.279 --> 02:13:44.640 in pro football and he had a very long, nice 2819 02:13:44.680 --> 02:13:47.279 career and made a lot of money, Scott Mitchell is 2820 02:13:47.279 --> 02:13:50.000 a legend at Utah and the main reason is what 2821 02:13:50.039 --> 02:13:52.920 he did to BRU in nineteen eighty eight with that 2822 02:13:53.039 --> 02:13:55.159 dominant win. So we kind of talked to Scott a 2823 02:13:55.159 --> 02:13:58.000 little bit about what I perceived to be the last 2824 02:13:58.039 --> 02:14:01.880 opportunity for these Utah football players to kind of step 2825 02:14:01.960 --> 02:14:04.439 up in front of the community and be great for 2826 02:14:04.520 --> 02:14:06.279 one day. If you're if you're great for one day 2827 02:14:06.279 --> 02:14:10.000 against BYU, you're remembered differently, then you know. 2828 02:14:10.520 --> 02:14:11.720 What you would be otherwise. 2829 02:14:11.760 --> 02:14:15.279 Now there's no coming back from the fact that the 2830 02:14:15.319 --> 02:14:18.600 season is not and will not manifest itself in the 2831 02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:19.479 way that we all thought. 2832 02:14:19.560 --> 02:14:19.640 You. 2833 02:14:20.359 --> 02:14:23.199 Bottom line, have lost four straight games. You're not in 2834 02:14:23.239 --> 02:14:25.520 the mix for a Big twelve championship. You're not in 2835 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:28.319 the mix for a CFP. As I continue to say 2836 02:14:28.319 --> 02:14:31.279 all week long, the only thing worse than playing in 2837 02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:34.680 a throwaway bowl game is not being eligible to play 2838 02:14:34.680 --> 02:14:37.560 in one. And if Utah doesn't win on Saturday, I'm 2839 02:14:37.600 --> 02:14:40.520 not sure they're going bawling. The line has moved a 2840 02:14:40.600 --> 02:14:44.279 couple of times, but it has stayed somewhat steady, steadier 2841 02:14:44.279 --> 02:14:47.319 than I actually thought it would. BYU opened up as 2842 02:14:47.359 --> 02:14:51.880 a five point favorite, the line moved pretty quick towards Utah, 2843 02:14:52.199 --> 02:14:54.920 and BYU remained a four point favorite for nearly two 2844 02:14:54.960 --> 02:14:57.439 full days, and then this morning it moved one more 2845 02:14:57.439 --> 02:15:00.399 time towards Utah and right now by you as a 2846 02:15:00.479 --> 02:15:04.079 three point five point favorite over the Utes. The over 2847 02:15:04.199 --> 02:15:06.760 under has come down a little bit too forty point five, 2848 02:15:06.880 --> 02:15:10.000 telling you that anybody who's taking Utah to win the 2849 02:15:10.039 --> 02:15:12.560 game believes that it's going to be a low scoring game. 2850 02:15:13.199 --> 02:15:15.279 And I suppose that's the only thing you could. 2851 02:15:15.039 --> 02:15:17.520 Believe, because this is an offense that hasn't even scored 2852 02:15:17.560 --> 02:15:20.920 twenty four points against the PF opponents. They've had two 2853 02:15:20.920 --> 02:15:23.239 really good offensive games. One was Southern Utah, the other 2854 02:15:23.319 --> 02:15:25.880 was Utah State. They had a good first half against 2855 02:15:25.920 --> 02:15:28.560 Baylor because that's because Cameron Rising was under center, and 2856 02:15:28.640 --> 02:15:32.039 since then it has been anemic. Both Scott and I 2857 02:15:32.119 --> 02:15:36.039 are of the same mind mindset when it comes to 2858 02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.760 the quarterback. I just, you know, listening to coach Wit 2859 02:15:39.079 --> 02:15:42.960 and then yesterday, Brandon Rose was made available to the media. 2860 02:15:43.119 --> 02:15:45.640 Brandon Rose to me, talk like a player that's starting 2861 02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:47.520 the game on Saturday night. 2862 02:15:47.560 --> 02:15:49.720 That's not a report. I have no clue, of course, 2863 02:15:49.760 --> 02:15:50.680 where I'm going to learn. 2864 02:15:50.840 --> 02:15:53.159 At the same time, the rest of you do as 2865 02:15:53.159 --> 02:15:56.560 it pertains to when we will learn who is under quarterback. 2866 02:15:56.600 --> 02:15:59.359 I think it's simply going to be as soon as 2867 02:15:59.399 --> 02:16:02.680 they run out on the field for their first offensive possession. 2868 02:16:03.159 --> 02:16:05.680 We're gonna have Kyle Winningham on the show tomorrow. We 2869 02:16:05.720 --> 02:16:08.720 had Claudie sa talking on the show today, and so 2870 02:16:09.359 --> 02:16:12.199 we'll see if we can gleam any information at all 2871 02:16:12.279 --> 02:16:15.159 how healthy Utah is coming into the game. There are 2872 02:16:15.199 --> 02:16:17.760 some rumors potentially about the offensive line being a bit 2873 02:16:17.800 --> 02:16:20.039 banged up. But yeah, I mean, I do try to 2874 02:16:20.119 --> 02:16:23.000 learn stories here there from the Vegas line and what 2875 02:16:23.039 --> 02:16:25.720 it tells us and what it's telling us right now 2876 02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:29.279 that anybody who is picking Utah to beat BYU believes 2877 02:16:29.319 --> 02:16:32.440 this is going to be like a thirteen, ten, seventeen 2878 02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:35.200 to fourteen type of football game. All right, So as 2879 02:16:35.200 --> 02:16:37.879 these rankings continue to spill in, I don't think we're 2880 02:16:37.879 --> 02:16:40.200 gonna be on air for the entire thing because they're 2881 02:16:40.200 --> 02:16:43.760 gonna milk their breaks because obviously this is a big, big, 2882 02:16:44.239 --> 02:16:46.280 big get A BYU comes in at number nine? 2883 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:47.520 Porter, Is that what I heard you say? 2884 02:16:47.799 --> 02:16:48.239 Correct? 2885 02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:49.239 Just comes back? 2886 02:16:49.799 --> 02:16:50.159 All right? 2887 02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:50.760 So there you go. 2888 02:16:50.879 --> 02:16:52.920 I thought they'd be seventh through nine, like I said. 2889 02:16:52.959 --> 02:16:55.719 But let me reiterate before we start to lose our 2890 02:16:55.760 --> 02:17:00.520 minds about BYU being disrespected in the whole inferiority. 2891 02:17:00.559 --> 02:17:01.319 And all that stuff. 2892 02:17:02.239 --> 02:17:05.920 This is simply not This is simply not a scenario 2893 02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:08.959 where the ranking equates to the seating for the bracket 2894 02:17:08.959 --> 02:17:12.280 of the twelve team CFP. BYU at number nine, as 2895 02:17:12.280 --> 02:17:15.000 far as these rankings, still indicates they're in the driver's 2896 02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:16.639 seat to win the Big twelve, and if they do, 2897 02:17:16.680 --> 02:17:18.399 they're probably gonna be the number four seed with a 2898 02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:22.040 buy in the first round of the CFP. All right, 2899 02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:24.040 wrap it up for a Tuesday edition of the show 2900 02:17:24.120 --> 02:17:27.639 live at Arup Blood Services ninety seven eighty six South, 2901 02:17:27.680 --> 02:17:28.959 five hundred West and Sandy. 2902 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:29.799 If you couldn't make it. 2903 02:17:29.760 --> 02:17:32.959 By today, roll by tomorrow because if you donate blood 2904 02:17:33.000 --> 02:17:35.360 you can still get those megaplex gift cards you and 2905 02:17:35.440 --> 02:17:37.799 get great snacks and you can enter to win tickets 2906 02:17:38.360 --> 02:17:38.879 to see. 2907 02:17:38.719 --> 02:17:39.879 BYU play Utah. 2908 02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.120 So if you made it out today, thank you so much, 2909 02:17:42.239 --> 02:17:44.879 means a ton if you didn't try to make it 2910 02:17:44.920 --> 02:17:48.079 out tomorrow or anytime this holiday season at Arup Blood 2911 02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:51.000 Services at ninety seven eighty six South five hundred West 2912 02:17:51.639 --> 02:17:53.639 in Sandy. All Right, to clean it up a little bit, 2913 02:17:53.680 --> 02:17:55.959 because we were trying to follow it live a couple 2914 02:17:56.000 --> 02:17:59.079 of segments ago. Today tonight the first edition of the 2915 02:17:59.079 --> 02:18:03.399 CFP rankings in the projected bracket. So as we talked about, 2916 02:18:03.600 --> 02:18:05.680 I'm just trying to make sure that I get ahead 2917 02:18:05.680 --> 02:18:07.040 of the BYU fans are gonna. 2918 02:18:06.840 --> 02:18:08.799 Be crying crocodile tiers. 2919 02:18:09.040 --> 02:18:12.719 The rankings are not the seeding, so BYU comes in 2920 02:18:12.760 --> 02:18:16.639 at number nine, but they're still slotted in the fourth 2921 02:18:16.719 --> 02:18:20.239 seed to have a first round by and according to 2922 02:18:20.280 --> 02:18:24.000 the first CFP bracket, BYU would play the winner of 2923 02:18:24.040 --> 02:18:28.440 Ohio State and Boise States. Ohio State comes in at two, 2924 02:18:28.479 --> 02:18:30.399 where they're not projected to be a conference champ, so 2925 02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:33.159 they slide down to the fifth seed. BYU is both 2926 02:18:33.319 --> 02:18:36.559 excuse me, Boise State is both ranked twelfth, and they 2927 02:18:36.559 --> 02:18:39.280 would be the twelfth seed and the winner of that 2928 02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:41.799 game would advance to play BYU Oregon. 2929 02:18:41.440 --> 02:18:42.319 Is your number one team. 2930 02:18:42.360 --> 02:18:44.280 No surprise, they are slotted to play the winner of 2931 02:18:44.319 --> 02:18:49.200 Tennessee and Indiana. Texas is slotted to host Alabama round one. 2932 02:18:49.280 --> 02:18:53.239 The winner of that game plays Miami Notre Dame. Penn 2933 02:18:53.280 --> 02:18:56.000 State slotted to play in round one. The winner of 2934 02:18:56.000 --> 02:18:58.920 that game plays Georgia, who is the three seed as 2935 02:18:58.959 --> 02:19:03.600 of today. So there you go, all right, Porter, Before 2936 02:19:03.639 --> 02:19:05.399 we get out of here, we're back in studio I 2937 02:19:05.399 --> 02:19:06.479 believe for a Wednesday show. 2938 02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:07.799 What should our listeners know about it? 2939 02:19:07.920 --> 02:19:12.479 On a Wednesday edition of the program, will positive college 2940 02:19:12.479 --> 02:19:16.360 football for just a moment, and we'll chat with Pablo Mastroennie, 2941 02:19:16.360 --> 02:19:19.159 we'll chat with Neil Smith. We'll take care of our 2942 02:19:19.200 --> 02:19:22.000 other folks, our soccer and our hockey friends, and then 2943 02:19:22.040 --> 02:19:25.079 we're right back to it. Spencer Lynn for our BYU side, 2944 02:19:25.120 --> 02:19:29.159 and then the head ball coach Kyle Whittingham on a 2945 02:19:29.239 --> 02:19:32.600 Wednesday show just a few days ahead of the rivalry game. 2946 02:19:32.719 --> 02:19:34.840 There you go. So it'll be a fun Wednesday show. 2947 02:19:35.319 --> 02:19:37.440 And with that will say goodnight and special thank you 2948 02:19:37.520 --> 02:19:42.159 today to Tim McMahon, Scott Mitchell, Austin Colly, and Riley 2949 02:19:42.239 --> 02:19:43.760 Jensen for any of the sound you may have missed 2950 02:19:43.760 --> 02:19:45.840 from the show today, go to the website, which is 2951 02:19:46.639 --> 02:19:48.559 ESPN seven hundred sports dot com. 2952 02:19:48.559 --> 02:19:51.520 Make sure to download our mobile app. 2953 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:54.680 It's the ESPN seven hundred app and that's available in 2954 02:19:54.719 --> 02:19:56.520 the App Store of the Google play Store for free. 2955 02:19:56.600 --> 02:19:59.399 Then finally, for what we do in our space every 2956 02:19:59.440 --> 02:20:01.879 day for four hours, check out our podcast page, which 2957 02:20:01.920 --> 02:20:03.719 is called It's very creative. It's called The Drive with 2958 02:20:03.719 --> 02:20:05.959 Spence check its. That's available wherever you get your shows. 2959 02:20:06.719 --> 02:20:09.120 Give us a subscription, say nice things, give us all 2960 02:20:09.120 --> 02:20:11.520 the stars. It does help for Cynthia my onside tech 2961 02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:13.879 of course Porter who produces the show My good. 2962 02:20:13.719 --> 02:20:16.159 Friends out here at Arup Blood Services. 2963 02:20:16.799 --> 02:20:19.079 My name is Spence check it saying I Kyle Whittingham 2964 02:20:19.120 --> 02:20:21.639 coaches show with the Fano Brothers coming up next Logan 2965 02:20:21.680 --> 02:20:24.280 and Spencer, So keep it right here on ESPN seven 2966 02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:24.600 hundred