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Speaker 2: We have the.
Speaker 1: NFL trade deadline, which has been surprisingly active today. The
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz won a basketball game last night in Chicago.
Speaker 2: The Utah Men got going last night with a big win.
Speaker 1: The BYU men will go tonight, and obviously tonight is
Speaker 1: a big night. You're gonna hear some results that you
Speaker 1: might not agree with, accept them regardless, of course. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the CFP reveal. It is the first reveal
Speaker 1: of the college football ranking, so we can throw out
Speaker 1: the AP poll and we can start to learn what
Speaker 1: the committee is thinking. All right, good guest, listen on
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Speaker 1: So the big game coming up on Saturday, everybody's attention
Speaker 1: certainly on Saturday BYU Utah Salt Lake City, Rice Eco Stadium,
Speaker 1: eight fifteen kicktime.
Speaker 2: Our pregame coverage, we'll begin at.
Speaker 1: Four point fifteen with Porter Larson isaac Ociad a bunch
Speaker 1: of utes.
Speaker 2: The line opened up at five, it.
Speaker 1: Moved to four, it settled at four for about thirty
Speaker 1: eight hours, and then last night it moved a half
Speaker 1: a point towards Utah.
Speaker 2: So there is some optimism on the market with the utes.
Speaker 1: BYU as we sit here today, is a three point
Speaker 1: five point favorite. I never played in this game. Scott
Speaker 1: Mitchell did, and Scott is here for our first segment.
Speaker 1: So before we get into because I want to talk
Speaker 1: about what you and I were discussing off air. I
Speaker 1: think we both are of one mind of who we're
Speaker 1: going to see under center. What does this week bring
Speaker 1: to you? Memories, energy, what's it like as somebody who
Speaker 1: played in this game.
Speaker 3: You know it was a totally different era where when
Speaker 3: when I was at Utah, BYU had been so dominant
Speaker 3: fifteen out of sixteen games, and so it was it
Speaker 3: was almost like they kind of we were an afterthought,
Speaker 3: you know, and which made it work. It just agonized
Speaker 3: the heck out of you, like they had no respect
Speaker 3: for you at all, and and I just I just
Speaker 3: I hated that, you know, I hated not being respected.
Speaker 4: And when we.
Speaker 3: Played, uh, you know, and I was around for four
Speaker 3: of the games, only played in one of them, and uh,
Speaker 3: well I played in two. That's that's and we barely
Speaker 3: lost in provo in eighty seven. But the thing about
Speaker 3: BYU that I remember the most was they were so
Speaker 3: predictable because they were so good. Yeah right, and they
Speaker 3: first down they were going to be in cover three,
Speaker 3: second down they're being covered two, and third down they
Speaker 3: were going to be in quarters covered.
Speaker 4: It never changed, never changed.
Speaker 3: So we were like, Okay, what's our most explosive like
Speaker 3: our home run play, like what's our best play to
Speaker 3: for you know, shot play versus cover three?
Speaker 4: And we did that the whole the whole game.
Speaker 2: The game where you just.
Speaker 4: Yeah and just and just killed them.
Speaker 3: And it was just such a fun day you know,
Speaker 3: and just so exciting and it's just so fun to
Speaker 3: beat up on someone who's so much better than you are,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh and and the cool thing about
Speaker 3: it for me is it it was great at that time,
Speaker 3: but it's still great to Utah fans. I think the one,
Speaker 3: the one comment I get the most from people is
Speaker 3: I remember nineteen eighty eight, I remember fifty seven to
Speaker 3: everybody remembers the score, you know, And so so that's
Speaker 3: kind of a fun thing. The thing I'm most concerned
Speaker 3: about about this year for Utah is none of these
Speaker 3: players have grown up with this rivalry, Like they haven't
Speaker 3: been a part of it, so they don't know that
Speaker 3: it's a real thing, and it's a real thing because
Speaker 3: it's so fascinating how it really impacts the play of
Speaker 3: the game, because it's a right It's like one team
Speaker 3: should clearly blow out the other team and they don't,
Speaker 3: you know, and so so just it just it it's
Speaker 3: a funny, funny dynamic that happened. It feels a little
Speaker 3: funny this year, like it's like something really bizarre could happen.
Speaker 3: And you're Utah and you beat by US undefeated, you
Speaker 3: talk about the car there they're gonna be is probably
Speaker 3: gonna be ranked four in the car.
Speaker 2: I mean they're gonna be I don't know that they're
Speaker 2: gonna be that high tonight. I think six is their
Speaker 2: ceiling time. Now, Remember the ranking isn't the seating. It's
Speaker 2: a different thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, they then maybe they're maybe they're six,
Speaker 3: but uh there might or eight.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be high. They're still gonna be in the
Speaker 4: top ten as.
Speaker 1: Far as as far as the CFP ranking tonight or
Speaker 1: the seating to actually play the bracket, because they're two
Speaker 1: very different things.
Speaker 4: So the seat the seating is really what.
Speaker 2: The Big twelve champ should be. Four.
Speaker 1: Yes, with the seating, b YU will not be the
Speaker 1: fourth ranked team of the CFP rankings tonight. No, no way,
Speaker 1: I'll bet you. I'll bet you right now. I look,
Speaker 1: they might be seven or eight.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get.
Speaker 3: Into the conversation about about the rankings because because I
Speaker 3: think it's skewed, and I think it's it's all there's
Speaker 3: a whole process of methodology.
Speaker 2: I think it's bracket. You think they're gonna be the
Speaker 2: fourth ranked team?
Speaker 5: It?
Speaker 3: Yeah, if they well, look I want a dramatic effect
Speaker 3: for my story. So I want them rank as high
Speaker 3: as they possibly could be by the time you go
Speaker 3: into this game on Saturday. That's when the rivalry really matters.
Speaker 3: When something's on the line by us undefeated, there's a
Speaker 3: real possibility they could run the tape. They don't have
Speaker 3: a they don't have a real strong, tough schedule going
Speaker 3: down down the stretch other than at Utah, and they
Speaker 3: could go into the Big Twelve championship game.
Speaker 4: With no losses.
Speaker 2: They could.
Speaker 3: But when you're when you're the team that's stinking it
Speaker 3: up like the uts are this year, goes in and
Speaker 3: beats them and messes up their whole year, that's when
Speaker 3: the rivalry that's the best part about them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So I appreciate the sentiment, but the fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is this is no longer an elimination
Speaker 1: elimination game for b YU because of what happened last week.
Speaker 1: So Utah could spoil their undefeated season, yes, but b
Speaker 1: YU is high speed ed to a Big twelve champion.
Speaker 3: They are. They are in the driver driver's seat, no question.
Speaker 1: But let me because I got to get to an
Speaker 1: interview here in a little bit. My guy, Mike, he's
Speaker 1: gonna stop by. We've got the entire three.
Speaker 2: O'clock hour, Scott got to talk about.
Speaker 1: But let me get Let me ask you this because
Speaker 1: you reference eighty eight and I told you this anecdote
Speaker 1: off air.
Speaker 4: That is true.
Speaker 1: One of my friends, who is an absolute diehard ut
Speaker 1: and is nervous out of his mind for Saturday, sure,
Speaker 1: is so grateful for what you did in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight that he simply just made your NFL teams his
Speaker 1: favorite team. And I've been talking about this all week, Scott.
Speaker 1: Not to make you feel feel old, but nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight was the last well I'm getting there. Nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight was the last year I lived here before he
Speaker 1: moved back east. And Eddie Johnson came and spoke to
Speaker 1: us in watch that's elementary. I was a fifth grader,
Speaker 1: and so then after because we were living in Federal Heights,
Speaker 1: then after that experience, we went, we went and watched
Speaker 1: the game and I think Eddie had four touchdown.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was all over it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the problem is nothing that what happens on Saturday,
Speaker 1: we'll be able to salvage Utah football season. It's already
Speaker 1: done in a way that we thought that it was
Speaker 1: in a way that nobody saw coming. You can't get
Speaker 1: back into contention for the conference. The only thing worse
Speaker 1: than playing in a throwaway bowl is not being eligible
Speaker 1: for one. But Scott Mitchell, Eddie Johnson, Brandon Burton and look,
Speaker 1: I could keep going for twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: If you have greatness in.
Speaker 1: You for one day, and if you have the ability
Speaker 1: to find that internal fortitude to be great for one
Speaker 1: day against BYU in Salt Lake, you will be remembered differently,
Speaker 1: even if this season will not be remembered the way
Speaker 1: that we thought. Right like you can, Utah football has
Speaker 1: one more chance. The Utah football players have.
Speaker 2: One more chance to in forty years be sitting doing
Speaker 2: a radio interview like you are right now and we
Speaker 2: reminisce about eighty eight in the way that made you
Speaker 2: a legend. That that has to be the message for
Speaker 2: Kyle this week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no question, And it certainly erases a lot
Speaker 3: of the disappointment of the season. Right and quite frankly,
Speaker 3: the year that b Yu's having makes the year Utah
Speaker 3: is having even worse. Right, It just it makes it
Speaker 3: so much worse. Winning this game it's now a rivalry
Speaker 3: game again, which is awesome. I love this, but to
Speaker 3: win it, there's no question about it. It gives you
Speaker 3: an opportunity to kind of okay, at least we beat
Speaker 3: them that year. Because there's there's just it's it's not
Speaker 3: only down the road, and and they're it's living every
Speaker 3: day for all the you know, all these Utah fans,
Speaker 3: and you have to live amongst each other, and it's
Speaker 3: and you just hate worse than anything to have it
Speaker 3: rubbed in your nose, like worse than anything, Like as
Speaker 3: a sportsman, it's the worst thing when someone just.
Speaker 4: You know, and they have they can back it up.
Speaker 3: They just talk trash to you, whether it's social media,
Speaker 3: whether it's at church, whether it's in the neighborhood, whatever
Speaker 3: it is. When when they when the one team has
Speaker 3: the upper hand and they just they just twist a knight.
Speaker 3: They just grind it in. So to be able no
Speaker 3: matter what happens, like if you win this game, you
Speaker 3: always you always have that regardless of what's going on.
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, Utah loses to BYU I think
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, and and uh, and of course Utah
Speaker 3: goes on to play in the Rose Bowl and win
Speaker 3: win the Pac twelve Championship, and it's like BYU still
Speaker 3: had the upper hand even though you talk goes to
Speaker 3: the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 4: Because this would be the because they beat him that year.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of the same, you know, it's kind
Speaker 3: of the same type of thing. It's it's a fascinating dynamic,
Speaker 3: and it's it's such a redeeming opportunity to have the
Speaker 3: you know, just win this one game, If you can
Speaker 3: just win this one game, it's gonna it's gonna cure
Speaker 3: a lot of the als.
Speaker 4: That you have right now.
Speaker 1: Just if Dorian Singer goes for a buck fifty and
Speaker 1: three touchdowns and they win, like they could lose the
Speaker 1: rest of the and Dorian would always be the guy
Speaker 1: from this game that helped them beat b YU. All right,
Speaker 1: before we catch a break, we got to bring on
Speaker 1: my guy, Mikey and we'll get back to this in
Speaker 1: the three o'clock I've no real quick one question for
Speaker 1: you before we catch a break. When I listened to
Speaker 1: Brandon Rose media yesterday, Yes, he sounded like a kid
Speaker 1: that's talking like he's starting a court back.
Speaker 3: And I hope so, and I believe that's actually going
Speaker 3: to happen because there he was different. It was different
Speaker 3: when he was in a game, it was significantly different.
Speaker 3: And he's the most you know, I was thinking about this.
Speaker 3: He's a guy that's been in the program the most,
Speaker 3: he's had the most experience. But there's also a physicalness
Speaker 3: to it. There's a physical you know, he's he has
Speaker 3: a more mature body, and that's one of the things.
Speaker 3: Isaac Wilson just a little kids still, you know, and
Speaker 3: just sitting in the pocket, you know, is kind of
Speaker 3: a tough thing. So yes, I believe. I believe because
Speaker 3: you thought doesn't care right now, We don't care about
Speaker 3: the future. We care about.
Speaker 4: Winning this one game.
Speaker 2: So it's Saturday.
Speaker 4: If we got to put this guy in, let's do
Speaker 4: it all right.
Speaker 1: More than the three o'clock hour with Scott, he's going
Speaker 1: to stay with me for the entire three o'clock hour.
Speaker 1: Coming up next, we're gonna do some jazz basketball. Jazz
Speaker 1: got a win, baby went to Chicago and got a dub.
Speaker 1: Tim mcmanlstop by, we'll talk about what this season could
Speaker 1: look like for the Jazz. Then we're back to college football. Really,
Speaker 1: the rest of the show Scott Mitchell, Austin Colley, Riley Jensen.
Speaker 1: But we're live today. Ar Up Blood Services come on
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Speaker 8: and that's like to mention the tie though, I mean,
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Speaker 1: We're doing a little fun rivalry thing. What's the tie
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Speaker 1: EYU football coming up on Saturday night. We'll get back
Speaker 1: to little college and pro football in a moment, but
Speaker 1: let's do some NBA because the Utah Jazz are on
Speaker 1: a tear.
Speaker 2: Jazz got to win last night, So first win, baby steps.
Speaker 1: Tim McMahon Tuesday Afternoon, Tim, Happy Tuesday, Buddy, How are
Speaker 1: we doing? O?
Speaker 6: Pardon? How are you?
Speaker 2: We're good? We're good.
Speaker 1: And look, I mean, this is gonna be a difficult
Speaker 1: year for the fans. It's gonna be a difficult year
Speaker 1: for our conversations because we could be very reductive and
Speaker 1: say they finally have a plan.
Speaker 2: That plan is to lose all year.
Speaker 1: So let's just start big picture because I feel like
Speaker 1: the best time to do this would have been two
Speaker 1: years ago, but the second best time is now. It
Speaker 1: does feel like they're leaning into a full rebuild. So
Speaker 1: from an overall standpoint, where are you at with.
Speaker 2: The Jazz right now?
Speaker 6: Well, I can just tell you it's been a difficult
Speaker 6: year for our conversations every year that we've been having.
Speaker 6: Me tooche Well said, Look, the Jazz are just as
Speaker 6: good as the Milwaukee Bucks. They're just as good as
Speaker 6: the Philadelphia seventy six ers. I don't know why you
Speaker 6: want to put this kind of spin on things. They
Speaker 6: are just as good as two teams that were expected
Speaker 6: to be contenders in the Eastern Conference. So, you know,
Speaker 6: let's pump a little sunshine here. In all seriousness, I
Speaker 6: do agree with you, like, hey, the rebuild was you know,
Speaker 6: they were too good for their own good for the
Speaker 6: first fifty plus games. For the last couple of years,
Speaker 6: you know, we understand that. Again, we've talked before. I
Speaker 6: do think there was some value first year of will
Speaker 6: Hardy's and you're in allowing himself to to kind of
Speaker 6: prove and established that he is a bona fide head
Speaker 6: coach is interesting because I think what you're seeing in
Speaker 6: Brooklyn might be something pretty similar, and I would say
Speaker 6: there should be the more agency in Brooklyn the bottom
Speaker 6: out this year, given their take situation, still own a
Speaker 6: swap to to Houston a couple of drafts from now.
Speaker 6: But this is to get the kind of talent that
Speaker 6: it's going to take for the Jazz to really turn
Speaker 6: this thing around. It's going to take a really rough
Speaker 6: year or two, and you know, certainly this is going
Speaker 6: to be one of those. Now, having said that, you
Speaker 6: don't want to You don't want to be in a
Speaker 6: situation where you know you're opening this season with a
Speaker 6: double figure losing street. You don't want to double figure
Speaker 6: losing streets. You know, you do want to be able
Speaker 6: to sprinkle and wins just because you don't want just
Speaker 6: to be some kind of extraordinarily, for lack of a
Speaker 6: better word, depressing situation. You do want the development of
Speaker 6: the young guys to occasionally be rewarded. And you know
Speaker 6: last night was certainly an example down though you know,
Speaker 6: John Collins might have been the best player on the floor.
Speaker 1: Yes, and you know I actually wanted to talk to
Speaker 1: you about some of these dynamics here, because you know,
Speaker 1: there are people that are wondering whether or not the
Speaker 1: Jazz are going to make any moves, and if they
Speaker 1: do make moves, it won't be to get better this year.
Speaker 1: And John Collins might be like the perfect guy to
Speaker 1: have on the roster because you have to pay somebody
Speaker 1: and he can give you big minutes and he's making
Speaker 1: twenty six point five mil and he's not very good.
Speaker 2: Most of the time.
Speaker 1: But whether it's Collins or Sexton or Clarkson or any
Speaker 1: of these vets outside of Patty Mills, Okay, they're not
Speaker 1: moving Patty Mills. But do you do you think there's
Speaker 1: any value with the vets on the Jazz roster and
Speaker 1: you anticipate them maybe making any movement or is this
Speaker 1: kind of like the perfect type a veteran group to
Speaker 1: have on a team that's really not serious about winning
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, look, they're going to be listening to
Speaker 6: offers and and certainly that stuff's not really intense right now.
Speaker 6: Obviously it picks up the close you get to the
Speaker 6: to the trade deadline. You know, the one thing I
Speaker 6: can tell you is they're not going to incentivize anything
Speaker 6: in Collins is probably tough. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 6: He still I believe he still has another year left
Speaker 6: in that contract. Because of that, probably it.
Speaker 2: Is a player option.
Speaker 6: Tim, I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm not breaking news here,
Speaker 6: but I'm going to suggest the strong possibility that that
Speaker 6: player option will be picked up.
Speaker 2: So probably correctly.
Speaker 6: But you know, like, hey, I could see a guy
Speaker 6: like certain sext in Clarks and teams that are looking
Speaker 6: for you know, scoring punch off the bench. Good teams
Speaker 6: come you know, around the time before the trade deadline.
Speaker 6: I could see those be being a couple of guys
Speaker 6: who might have some interest in the market. Like I said,
Speaker 6: the Jazz will absolutely be be listening, you know, probably
Speaker 6: even shopping those guys as that time comes. But you know,
Speaker 6: it's not like they are in the way right now.
Speaker 6: And Collins, unfortunately, they do kind of need his minutes,
Speaker 6: and the plan coming into the season was he was
Speaker 6: going to basically be the backup center and unfortunately Taylor Hendrix,
Speaker 6: who is going to play a lot of minutes, is not.
Speaker 4: Going to play anymore this season.
Speaker 6: You know, Loward marketing is not a long term thing,
Speaker 6: but he's out right now. So Collins played a lot
Speaker 6: of power forward, and I will say Colin's playing well
Speaker 6: at power forward. It doesn't hurt the possibility that he
Speaker 6: might be moved for the deadline. I'm just I don't
Speaker 6: think it's likely, just because of the contract.
Speaker 1: And then we'll get back to the Jazz because I
Speaker 1: want to ask you about Taylor, But we have some
Speaker 1: breaking news that I'll get your reaction to Tim in
Speaker 1: real time. Joel mb'd has been suspended for three games
Speaker 1: by the NBA. He's gonna cost him just over a
Speaker 1: million bucks. The suspension will start with the first game
Speaker 1: that nb can play. This is according to tweet I'm
Speaker 1: seeing from Bobby Mars. Obviously it's the situation with the
Speaker 1: reporter in the locker room. So what's your take the
Speaker 1: NBA suspending EMBIID for three games?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I look, the NBA had to issue a suspension.
Speaker 6: I'll be honest with you. I am surprised that it's
Speaker 6: three games. I wasn't obviously in the locker room, you know,
Speaker 6: But like you have to set the precedent. The players,
Speaker 6: no matter how upset they are, can't put their hands
Speaker 6: on reporters. But I don't think This was some extremely
Speaker 6: violent situation. And you know, frankly I can empathize with
Speaker 6: Embiid as far as why he was so upset. Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, this was one of those situations where nobody
Speaker 6: was right. You know, the columnist wrote something that was
Speaker 6: you know, I understand why Embiid felt like it was
Speaker 6: a completely unnecessary and out of bounds personal shot. You know,
Speaker 6: to bring up if you can be criticizing a player,
Speaker 6: you know, to bring up family, especially a deceased younger
Speaker 6: brother his young son. You know, that's that's poor taste.
Speaker 6: But you know, the old the two wrongs they'll make
Speaker 6: the right thing certainly applies here. I thought one game
Speaker 6: would have set a precedent and gotten the message across.
Speaker 6: I thought three games is pretty strong, but you know
Speaker 6: that's what the league office came down on.
Speaker 1: So moving back over to the Jazz and as you referenced,
Speaker 1: just just the horrifically sad scene that you and I
Speaker 1: talked about last time. You joined us real quick with
Speaker 1: Taylor going down for the year, So I already asked
Speaker 1: you about that, and there really is any any new information.
Speaker 2: You just sort of.
Speaker 1: Gutted for the kid, But I was curious to see
Speaker 1: what will would do with essentially twenty eight to thirty
Speaker 1: minutes at his disposal, and he has gone to Cody
Speaker 1: Williams and Kyle Philipowski.
Speaker 2: He's not upping.
Speaker 1: We're seeing a little bit more you banks time, but
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup and the guys that are playing
Speaker 1: the majority of the big minutes, it's Cody Williams, it's
Speaker 1: Kyle philip Powski. You reference marketing, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a day to day thing. I just anticipate that we're
Speaker 1: going to deal with that all year long because I
Speaker 1: believed him this is all intentional. Obviously you were tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek about the bad starts for Milwaukee and Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: But do you believe that now the plan is very
Speaker 1: very clearly in place where it is. And look NBA
Speaker 1: front offices, they'll sometimes say things and you get a
Speaker 1: little hint like they're not going to say we're trying
Speaker 1: to lose. They're going to say we're trying to develop
Speaker 1: young players. So do you believe the losing is by design?
Speaker 4: This year?
Speaker 6: I believe that the Jazz have recognized that floating around
Speaker 6: the ninth or tenth taking the lottery is not a
Speaker 6: way for them to really turn this thing around. So
Speaker 6: you know, call it what you want. You know, Will
Speaker 6: Hardy is not out there coaching to lose games, but
Speaker 6: with this roster he can coach his butt off. And
Speaker 6: they're not going to win a lot of games. I mean,
Speaker 6: just look around the Western Conference. You know, that's just
Speaker 6: the way it is. I mean, they're not going to
Speaker 6: win thirty something games with this roster. And you know,
Speaker 6: it's also likely that one of their better players will
Speaker 6: probably be gone before the trade deadline obviously, which happened
Speaker 6: in the last couple of years as well. So you know,
Speaker 6: is it tanking, is it losing by design? Is it
Speaker 6: you know, just being in a situation Again, My thing
Speaker 6: is this, I don't necessarily there was definitely a direction
Speaker 6: chosen here, but if they chose to try to be
Speaker 6: as competitive as possible last summer, like what moves would
Speaker 6: what moves would they have made? Right? You know what
Speaker 6: I mean? Like, you know, the Paul George thing was
Speaker 6: a pipe dream that honestly never made any sense to me.
Speaker 6: I think this is a combination of choosing a direction,
Speaker 6: you know, really committing to the full blown rebuild and
Speaker 6: not kind of the half measures of the of the
Speaker 6: last couple of years, and also just the reality in
Speaker 6: the situation kind of smacking me in the face.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, well said so the last time that it's
Speaker 2: been this bad.
Speaker 1: And look, although there's not a championship banner hanging in
Speaker 1: the Delta Center, we are a spoiled market because we've
Speaker 1: had front offices who have been really smart at making
Speaker 1: measured decisions, Scott Laden, Kevin O'Connor, Dennis Lindsay. And so
Speaker 1: when Dennis took over, he moved on from Al Jefferson
Speaker 1: and Paul Millsap. I mean, Millsap's still a jazz legend
Speaker 1: and Al played here for a couple of years and
Speaker 1: played well. So twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen jazz basketball is
Speaker 1: when they started. It was like one in thirteen, and
Speaker 1: the young players on the roster, Trey Burke rookie, Alec
Speaker 1: Burke's second year, Derek Favors third year, Ennis Kanter's second year,
Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert rookie, Gordon Hayward third year, and I'll just
Speaker 1: stop there because those are kind of the Cody Williams
Speaker 1: Keyante Philipowski hopefully eventually Taylor, Bryce Sen Siba group and
Speaker 1: then which one of those players popps Obviously Gobert did,
Speaker 1: Hayward did, Favors did Alec kind of did, Trey ever did.
Speaker 1: So they went like four for six, we'll call it.
Speaker 1: So out of these young players, who do you think
Speaker 1: has the best chance of popping in the way Hayward
Speaker 1: and Gobert, Uh, those guys did that could be around
Speaker 1: the next time. The Jazz are actually really good.
Speaker 6: Well, you didn't mention Walker Kest in the young group? Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: I will, and and you know the Jazz do include
Speaker 6: him in that group. You know, I think he's twenty
Speaker 6: three years old, obviously a third year guy. He's also
Speaker 6: the guy who I think has shown the most and
Speaker 6: has the uh, you know, has the best odds of
Speaker 6: becoming a you know, I don't know, foundational piece. Might
Speaker 6: be a those strong but maybe not. I think he's
Speaker 6: gonna be a really good, you know, starting big in
Speaker 6: the NBA. Certainly a defense banker. You know, we've talked about, Hey,
Speaker 6: the guy did not build on a strong rookie year
Speaker 6: last year. He could argue he regressed a bit. Certainly
Speaker 6: he didn't take strikes forward. But the way he responded
Speaker 6: to that was by working his butt off. I think
Speaker 6: he feels a lot better physically. I think his confidence
Speaker 6: is much higher, you know. I know, Will and the
Speaker 6: coach staffer are extremely happy with the work that he's
Speaker 6: done going back to the end of last season. And
Speaker 6: I think, you know, although they're not winning games, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, I think he's played well this season. And
Speaker 6: then honestly, the rest of the guys, like I don't know,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, Kunty George is in the starting
Speaker 6: lineup last night, played really well. It's been a pretty
Speaker 6: rough go for him so far this season. Before that,
Speaker 6: I am skeptical on him being a full time point guard.
Speaker 6: Maybe he ends up being a you know, a Jordan
Speaker 6: Clarkson type of a bench score. We'll see. But look,
Speaker 6: this year, even next year, a lot of this is
Speaker 6: going to be about figuring out which, you know, which
Speaker 6: ones of these guys are potentially part of the long
Speaker 6: term future, and which one of them aren't going to
Speaker 6: pan out, because I you said, they're not all going
Speaker 6: to pan out nobody, you know, if you shoot fifty
Speaker 6: percent in the drafts, especially with these picks that are
Speaker 6: you know, in the teams, you know, some of them
Speaker 6: even been in the twenties that's doing pretty well, so
Speaker 6: you know, player development is also you know, it's figuring
Speaker 6: out which ones aren't worth continuing to invest in, and
Speaker 6: that's going to be part of the process over the
Speaker 6: next couple of years.
Speaker 2: For sure, And certainly Hayward favors both third year players
Speaker 2: on that team, so Walker should be included in the group.
Speaker 1: Uh ten points, twelve boards, three blocks. So to me,
Speaker 1: his start is one of maybe two or three bright spots.
Speaker 1: And I cannot come on air every day and blow
Speaker 1: smoke when this is just going to be a rough season.
Speaker 2: But you reference Keyante now.
Speaker 1: The last time tim that Kyante made shots at High
Speaker 1: Cliff he was a high scorer because he didn't in college,
Speaker 1: he didn't his rookie year, and he hasn't so far
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: He was really good last night.
Speaker 1: But essentially we have two and a half years where
Speaker 1: the splits are like thirty eight percent from a floor
Speaker 1: in like thirty percent from three He's only twenty. But
Speaker 1: at what point does that sample size become so big
Speaker 1: where you're concerned about simply his inability to make shots.
Speaker 2: As simple as that sounds.
Speaker 6: I mean, you can be concerned about it now, but
Speaker 6: you're not going to pull the plug on you know,
Speaker 6: you're not going to pull the plug on him, like
Speaker 6: you're going to at least see it through this season,
Speaker 6: you know, I would think in the next season, you know,
Speaker 6: in fairness to him, he didn't come into college or
Speaker 6: or the NBA with like a physically mature body. I
Speaker 6: do think he's improved his sazique, you know, over the summer,
Speaker 6: you know. And another thing is he's learning to play
Speaker 6: point guard in the NBA, not just how to play
Speaker 6: point guard in the league, but how to play point
Speaker 6: guard period, you know, and that's a pretty massive challenge.
Speaker 6: So I would give him, you know, it'd be a
Speaker 6: different situation if he was if he was drafted by
Speaker 6: a good team. If he's dropped by a good team,
Speaker 6: he's probably not getting minutes now. But that's not the
Speaker 6: situation he's in, So I think he'd gotta be patient
Speaker 6: and give him a little bit of grace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. And to your point, they're only going
Speaker 1: to play youngsters, all right. Moving away from the jazz here,
Speaker 1: let's talk about your take on the latest. Everyone hates
Speaker 1: Rudy's story, Christian brown smashes on him, and you know,
Speaker 1: I have always been a stand up for Rudy guy,
Speaker 1: just because I saw how great he was in this community.
Speaker 1: I was over there when he you know, I was
Speaker 1: working for the Jazz Radio Network when he was with
Speaker 1: the Jazz But there are some times where you just
Speaker 1: kind of can't stand up for him and you start
Speaker 1: to make allowance. I still think it's bullying. I still
Speaker 1: think it's rude, and I still think he's a good dude.
Speaker 1: But it seems like this time around, most of the
Speaker 1: people were not necessarily backing him up, even the ones
Speaker 1: that typically do.
Speaker 2: Is that fair?
Speaker 6: You know, I didn't think it was honestly that huge
Speaker 6: of the deal. I was actually at that game. I
Speaker 6: talked to Rudy afterwards. I talked to Christian Brown afterwards.
Speaker 6: Neither one of those guys were really a bit too
Speaker 6: worked up about it. It was a competitive moment. I mean,
Speaker 6: Christian Brown absolutely dunked the hell out of the ball
Speaker 6: and then put a highlight on Rudy's head. There's no
Speaker 6: question about that. He was amped up. You know, he's
Speaker 6: kind of flexed and celebrated by you know, stepping into
Speaker 6: Rudy's space and hollering a little bit. Fludy gave him
Speaker 6: I don't know if you'd call it a club, but
Speaker 6: it was like a little pass rush move to decide
Speaker 6: of the neck there, and there was some wolfing, you know,
Speaker 6: Russ came in and did Russ type of stuff and
Speaker 6: you know, and that was that. But post game, you know,
Speaker 6: Rudy's like, hey, I get it. He was fired up.
Speaker 6: He stepped my space and then you know, a whole
Speaker 6: lot of nothing happened. You know, he said, I actually
Speaker 6: think he's a really good player and a good kid.
Speaker 6: And you know Christian Brown, who, by the way, he
Speaker 6: got Rudy a couple of times last year or too.
Speaker 6: I mean, Christian Brown, for all that's going wrong with
Speaker 6: the Nuggets, he's a pretty promising young player. Deceptively athletic,
Speaker 6: he might say. But you know, he said, hey, you know,
Speaker 6: I got so fired up because he's Rudy Gobert is
Speaker 6: one of the best REM protectors in the league. He said,
Speaker 6: the best remprotector in the league. And you know, his
Speaker 6: take was, actually he was he regretted his celebration, not
Speaker 6: because of you know, the disrespect or whatever, but he's like, dude,
Speaker 6: I cost my team momentum. They're on an eleven zero
Speaker 6: run and then they end up blowing a ten point lead,
Speaker 6: and he said the devil technicals cost his team momentum.
Speaker 6: So you know, look, anytime Gobert gets dunked on and
Speaker 6: Matt's the tacks or fashion, it is going to be
Speaker 6: a thing, right, It's going to go viral. People are
Speaker 6: going to hoot and hohorah. As far as the celebration
Speaker 6: and his reaction and all that, neither one of those
Speaker 6: guys thought it was a real big deal. So I'm
Speaker 6: not going to be too up at arms back. I
Speaker 6: will say I didn't think Rudy should have been in
Speaker 6: the game at that point because I thought he should
Speaker 6: have get kicked out. It was a flagrant one when
Speaker 6: he elbowed Joker on the job boy during that review,
Speaker 6: I thought Rudy was about to head to the locker room.
Speaker 6: But look, man, I was in the Mavericks locker room
Speaker 6: a couple of nights before that. Per few nights before
Speaker 6: that when they played the Wolves, I was in the
Speaker 6: Nuggets' locker room. Like it's no secret I wrote the
Speaker 6: whole thing about this last year. Players around the league
Speaker 6: do not like Rudy for whatever reason, and that's just
Speaker 6: you know, that's just the reality of the situation. I
Speaker 6: think he's the most disrespected star caliber player in the league.
Speaker 6: You know, he's not always in the right. But I
Speaker 6: didn't think this was some like major international incident here.
Speaker 6: I just thought it was a spectacular play that you know,
Speaker 6: they got a little huffy and puffy afterwards.
Speaker 1: So I'm asking you about the Timberwolves intentionally and the
Speaker 1: Cavs intentionally because the Jazz draft capital returns begin the
Speaker 1: season and it doesn't look like I mean, when when
Speaker 1: Ruy Hatcha Mura said their scouting report on Julius Randalls
Speaker 1: that he just stands there on defense and therefore they
Speaker 1: were just going to backdoor cut, I'm like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: don't love that fit with Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're not going to be great this year. Mike
Speaker 2: does look old.
Speaker 1: But how real is this eight n O start from
Speaker 1: the calves with a new coaching staff and a team
Speaker 1: right now that looks really connected.
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't think they're going to go eighty
Speaker 6: two and oh but how many games do they win
Speaker 6: last year? Correct me? I mean it's right round fifty
Speaker 6: and that was with all kinds of health problems. You know,
Speaker 6: Darius Garland had a broken John and really struggled last Sea.
Speaker 6: You know, obviously break your Day or Jos wier shite.
Speaker 6: There's a bunch of time, there's much weight completely, they
Speaker 6: had a rhythm, Donovan had all kinds of neat problems.
Speaker 6: You know, if they're healthy, they're going to be good.
Speaker 6: I don't know that they're going to be number one
Speaker 6: seed in the East good. But right now, if you
Speaker 6: told me the Calves finished the season with fifty five
Speaker 6: sixty seven wins and and the number two seed in
Speaker 6: the East, I wouldn't be surprised at all. And I look,
Speaker 6: I still think Minnesota is the top three team in
Speaker 6: the Western Conference. They've got some things to figure out defensively,
Speaker 6: but I like their odds there. And you know, they're
Speaker 6: happy with Julius Randon. They're especially happy with kind of
Speaker 6: a dynamic between Randall and uh and and Edwards. And
Speaker 6: I feel like Randall takes a little bit uh you know,
Speaker 6: he eases the burden on an while also setting them up.
Speaker 6: You know, ants catching twot threes their way up. That's
Speaker 6: a large part because Rangdell sets them up for those
Speaker 6: man it can take a lot of the uh, you know,
Speaker 6: the the attacking, initiating, facilitating responsibilities off ants Playton. You know,
Speaker 6: fins tell you the hope there is that can rest
Speaker 6: a little bit on offense instead of taking some possessions
Speaker 6: off defensively.
Speaker 1: Fifty one wins for the Cavs last year, so you
Speaker 1: were close to knocking that out.
Speaker 4: Tim.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate your time. Have a great week. It's
Speaker 2: great to have basketball back, and we'll chat too.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it, brother, all right.
Speaker 4: Great.
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Speaker 1: has been suspended three games for shoving a columnist, Scott Mitchell.
Speaker 1: What's the closest you ever came to shoving a columnist?
Speaker 4: Actually?
Speaker 2: There, I am, hello, Scott.
Speaker 4: Hello. I never I never shoved a columnist.
Speaker 2: I'm sure.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there were some guys. I don't know if
Speaker 3: I should say this, Spence.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, we're here. You gotta say it now.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Just don't even think about it.
Speaker 4: Just say it. This is bad, Okay. I want to
Speaker 4: hear it. This is really bad. So there was a guy.
Speaker 4: Let's say, the Detroit media.
Speaker 2: Was kind of force brutal, and they still are, and this.
Speaker 3: Guy was one of the most brutal. And uh yeah
Speaker 3: he was. So I'm having a hard time saying this.
Speaker 3: I'll just say I don't care.
Speaker 2: There you go. Not a boy he died that escalated
Speaker 2: and he was young.
Speaker 4: When he died.
Speaker 3: And this was after I had left Detroit. I can't
Speaker 3: say that I shed many tears.
Speaker 2: Oh it got that, you got that tough.
Speaker 4: It was. It was the I have. My mom was amazing.
Speaker 3: She kept every every every newspaper article, everything, all of it.
Speaker 3: So so my whole entire career is documented and and
Speaker 3: the books. When I go through Detroit, I can just
Speaker 3: open the book, look at the picture and go, did
Speaker 3: we win or lose? If we lost, it was a
Speaker 3: crumpled picture of me being, you know, mauled by the defenders.
Speaker 3: And if we won, it was this pristine picture of
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders.
Speaker 2: So Barry got all the love.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, And and he was great and
Speaker 3: he deserved it. But you know, it would have been
Speaker 3: nice to just every once in a while have a
Speaker 3: picture where Okay, you know we won this game and
Speaker 3: they showed something good.
Speaker 4: They were they were not having it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean sometimes I I'll chuckle a little
Speaker 1: bit if I hear one of our local teams or
Speaker 1: PR people talk about the press in Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what cause I you know, I grew up
Speaker 2: in the New York market watching my.
Speaker 1: Father get beat up every day by the thirteen daily
Speaker 1: periodicals and the six sportstock radio stations.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we have so many soft people here, so
Speaker 2: many babies. I go, did you hear what they said
Speaker 2: about us on the radio? Did you hear what Gordon
Speaker 2: Monson wrote? I'm like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: You wouldn't survive for five minutes anywhere other than Salt.
Speaker 2: Lake, you cake, It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But anyway, rant over Scott, when we last spoke to
Speaker 1: you about thirty thirty five minutes ago, I said, to
Speaker 1: you off their, I said, look, when I listened to
Speaker 1: Brandon Rose talked to the media yesterday, it sounded like
Speaker 1: a kid who thought he was going to start.
Speaker 2: And you referenced you had some clues after listening to
Speaker 2: coach Wit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know Coach Witting, And I don't have
Speaker 3: personal information. You know, this is just speculation, it's reading
Speaker 3: the tea leaves, it's just kind of the nuances of voices.
Speaker 3: And one of the things Coach Whittingham is he's a
Speaker 3: very honest man, so he wants to answer the questions truthfully.
Speaker 4: But he's also you know, he's he understands.
Speaker 3: Gamemanship and and and you know, if you look at
Speaker 3: the visiting locker room at right Cycle Stadium, you'll see
Speaker 3: that they're very much into we're not giving anything.
Speaker 4: To our opponent.
Speaker 3: I mean, the locker is just it's a joke, it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: So any way he can get an advantage, and so
Speaker 3: not telling anyone who the starter is is part of
Speaker 3: that advantage. That that he kind of that's his mantra,
Speaker 3: that's what he does. But he was he was very
Speaker 3: clear to me about if Isaac Wilson was a starter
Speaker 3: and Isaac Wilson has been the starter. I don't think
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that. I think he
Speaker 3: would have just come out and said that. But he said,
Speaker 3: we have a plan, we know what we're doing, and
Speaker 3: and I really think that was and for that, I think,
Speaker 3: you know, it was. It was Brandon Rose because I
Speaker 3: felt and I go, just go watch the film and
Speaker 3: I can sit down with you and I can show
Speaker 3: you the film and I can show you the difference.
Speaker 3: And and Brandon Rose really impressed me, like way through
Speaker 3: the ball went he through the ball, the decisions, he
Speaker 3: was just very decisive, he was very comfortable, and that
Speaker 3: this was just Houston. Yeah, and he hasn't played Look,
Speaker 3: I understand he hasn't played much, but he didn't walk
Speaker 3: walk into cam Rising hadn't played much, and he steps
Speaker 3: in the game against San Diego State, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's like it was different.
Speaker 4: And that's what I saw with Brandon Rose.
Speaker 3: And I understand, you know, it's a small sample, but
Speaker 3: a very small sample. That kind of gave me some encouragement. Now,
Speaker 3: Isaac Isaac Wilson, I'm not I'm not like against Isaac Wilson.
Speaker 3: I'm not down on Isaac Wilson. He's young and and
Speaker 3: and you can see that that maturity level is just
Speaker 3: really hard for a young guy to really go through
Speaker 3: the whole season and mentally be there. If you've ever
Speaker 3: been through a football season, let me tell you how
Speaker 3: it is. It's a grind it wears on you mentally,
Speaker 3: it wears on you physically. They're they're a month into
Speaker 3: football before they ever play a game. Coach Whittingham is
Speaker 3: not a he you know, you want to talk about
Speaker 3: tough media, He's a tough coach. His camps camp Kyle
Speaker 3: is not for the light, you know that the timid
Speaker 3: and and uh and so just that grind of going
Speaker 3: through all of that is is a tough thing. And
Speaker 3: that's what makes these teams, you know, tough during during
Speaker 3: the season. And and he and it's it's it's who
Speaker 3: he is, it's what he is. But when you have
Speaker 3: a young quarterback he's trying to figure out things, it's
Speaker 3: just it's just hard to to it's hard to almost breathe.
Speaker 3: You know, you just feel like it feel like you're
Speaker 3: you're swimming. To some degree, I haven't seen from Isaac
Speaker 3: any growth.
Speaker 4: You know, you want to see.
Speaker 3: That turjectory, and it's just been flat, if like dipping,
Speaker 3: you know, the game. You know, every game just looks
Speaker 3: like the same game. And so there hasn't there just
Speaker 3: hasn't been anything. And so it just just tells me
Speaker 3: he's still young, still still learning, still trying to figure
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: So I feel like Scott, if Utah is gonna win
Speaker 1: this football game, because the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: they have not scored more than twenty three points against
Speaker 1: the p fourteen. Right, they hung forty nine on Southern Utah,
Speaker 1: they hung thirty eight on Utah State. But they're high
Speaker 1: as twenty three against Baylor, twenty two against Okay State,
Speaker 1: and then it's been ten nineteen, seven, fourteen, it feels
Speaker 1: like if Utah's going to win this game, and as
Speaker 1: you outlined earlier, there's no data that indicates Utah is
Speaker 1: the better football team.
Speaker 2: But this game is weird.
Speaker 1: It always is, So it feels like if Utah's gonna win,
Speaker 1: it has to be like seventeen.
Speaker 2: Fourteen or something.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you anticipate coach Witt trying to really
Speaker 1: slow it down and Ryde McKay as much as you
Speaker 1: can and try to keep retz Laf off the field?
Speaker 2: Like, how did you?
Speaker 1: I guess the better way to ask it is, how
Speaker 1: does Utah win this football?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I think this offense when you saw Cam Rising in
Speaker 3: the game, was actually explosive when he was healthy, not
Speaker 3: when he came back. And and I don't know how
Speaker 3: good this offense. I know this players are good, they're talented.
Speaker 3: They lost money Parks. That hurts because he's a deep threat,
Speaker 3: and he's a legitimate deep threat. So you just haven't
Speaker 3: seen a quarterback back there that can really, you know,
Speaker 3: take this offense out of second gear, you know, and like,
Speaker 3: let's get it out there and let's really see what happens.
Speaker 3: I think there's the potential of the offense being explosive,
Speaker 3: and I'm really curious to see what Brandon Rose could
Speaker 3: do with that.
Speaker 1: You still feel like there's an explosive offensive performance left
Speaker 1: on this roster.
Speaker 3: There's just too much talent at the skill position, with
Speaker 3: the tight ends, with the wide receivers that it's just
Speaker 3: been inexperienced quarterback play and in an injured quarterback play.
Speaker 3: And to me, the quarterbacks in college football make a
Speaker 3: huge difference. I mean it's been a difference for BYU,
Speaker 3: there's been a difference for every team in the country
Speaker 3: that's doing well. Is you have an electrifying, game changing
Speaker 3: quarterback and you just have to have that, and Utah
Speaker 3: hasn't had it.
Speaker 4: I think Utah's defense has done an.
Speaker 2: Exceptional job this year, for sure.
Speaker 3: But you've got to have You know, I don't think
Speaker 3: seventeen points. I don't think having a defensive battle. I
Speaker 3: don't think it wins the game for you. I think
Speaker 3: you've got to You've got to be explosive. You've got
Speaker 3: to be in the high twenties to maybe thirty points
Speaker 3: if you're going to have any shot in this game.
Speaker 4: If you're you're the offense. And we don't know Brandon Rose.
Speaker 3: We know what would happen if Isaacson, there's probably not
Speaker 3: going to happen, but maybe you get a little explosive
Speaker 3: with Brandon Rose.
Speaker 2: Who do you think the best defense is the Utah
Speaker 2: has seen so far this year?
Speaker 4: You know, you know Houston.
Speaker 3: Okay, Houston was actually they were, and they were one
Speaker 3: of the one of the top defenses in the country.
Speaker 4: But here here's this is hard too.
Speaker 3: It's hard because every defense that plays Utah plays them
Speaker 3: a certain way. Right, they lowed the box. They dare
Speaker 3: Utah to throw the football. I mean, I mean, oh,
Speaker 3: Oklahoma State did it, every Arizona did it. Arizona State
Speaker 3: did it. Every single team except.
Speaker 2: Baylor because Cam was underd Yeah, right.
Speaker 3: And they all they all just said we're gonna crowd
Speaker 3: the box. We're gonna we're gonna be really aggressive play
Speaker 3: down hill, and so you do a lot of run blitzer,
Speaker 3: so you get that early penetration so that the run
Speaker 3: game just gets blown up because they don't care, like
Speaker 3: we'll throw caution to the win because because you're consistently
Speaker 3: not gonna beat us on the outside. And and the
Speaker 3: defense has kept the offense in every game and Utah
Speaker 3: has done nothing, nothing to scare defenses out of that. Look,
Speaker 3: it's like every week I see the same I just
Speaker 3: see the same thing that's gonna happen. And and uh,
Speaker 3: but but I really really thought of all the defenses
Speaker 3: that that probably the best was Houston.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look they just be case State.
Speaker 1: I mean I asked the question because I look, I
Speaker 1: was prior to.
Speaker 2: I would say the TCU loss.
Speaker 1: I was the radio host holding on to the final
Speaker 1: branch before I hit the ground. And it felt like
Speaker 1: everybody else's face was in the mud because prior to
Speaker 1: the TCU loss, everything was still on the table.
Speaker 2: You know, you can get in with two losses.
Speaker 1: You have a schedule with head to head with other
Speaker 1: teams in front of you, and now I just have
Speaker 1: to be honest, my optimism for any sort of explosive
Speaker 1: offensive performance Scott is not here today, which is why
Speaker 1: I pose the question, because it feels like if Utah
Speaker 1: is gonna win John P's four and a score, defense scores,
Speaker 1: they turn Byu over in a way they haven't turned
Speaker 1: anybody over all year. They're opportunistic, they get a special
Speaker 1: teams or a defensive touchdown and Brandon just doesn't turn
Speaker 1: it over and they cruise to some sort of seventeen
Speaker 1: to ten type victory. But there's a chance BYU's defense
Speaker 1: will be as tough of a defense that Utah's offense
Speaker 1: has ever seen. So based off your knowledge of defenses
Speaker 1: and how you've outlined the way teams are trying to
Speaker 1: play against Utah, we anticipate that it is Brandon, So
Speaker 1: Byu is probably going to sell out to stop the
Speaker 1: run like everyone else has. You're Mike Bijakian. How do
Speaker 1: you take advantage of that defensive attack and scores score
Speaker 1: some points in a way that we haven't seen.
Speaker 4: In a while.
Speaker 3: Well, for me, everything always starts at first down. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just it's just you have to start there, and
Speaker 3: so you have to be willing to get explosive on
Speaker 3: early downs and and in the early part of a series.
Speaker 3: This is something about you get off to a good play,
Speaker 3: a good start in a drive, everything just just flows.
Speaker 3: And with a guy who can throw it down the field,
Speaker 3: a guy who's willing to throw it down the field.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: And and the play action game is such a big
Speaker 3: part of what Utah has done in the past. It
Speaker 3: gives you those chunk plays. So there are some play
Speaker 3: action parts to to the offense that I would incorporate.
Speaker 3: But I would I would be willing to open it
Speaker 3: up on early downs and throw and throw the football.
Speaker 4: And I keep saying it.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm a broken record with this, but
Speaker 3: I mean, the tight ends have been so massively under
Speaker 3: util lines. Yeah, and there's there's just a lot of
Speaker 3: confidence building plays that tight ends bring to an offense
Speaker 3: that if you'll use it, they're there there and they're open,
Speaker 3: and they're just they're high percentage easy throws that they
Speaker 3: might be a seven or eight yard catch which turns
Speaker 3: into an eleven yard game. You know, if you throw
Speaker 3: it on time and you throw it accurately. Uh, those
Speaker 3: are the things you get. You've got to You've got
Speaker 3: to really break out of this extra guy in the
Speaker 3: box kind of thing, and you've got to try to
Speaker 3: be a little bit more explosive. The answer last week was,
Speaker 3: you know, early it was just like, we're gonna throw screens.
Speaker 3: We're gonna and and it worked once or twice, and
Speaker 3: and the and the bubble screens, you know, the one
Speaker 3: to Keithy work. But then the rest of the game
Speaker 3: you know that it didn't work at all. And I
Speaker 3: but I just really think Brandon Rose brings an element
Speaker 3: of being able to throw the ball down the field
Speaker 3: and his ability to actually run and run decisively when
Speaker 3: things aren't there.
Speaker 4: Maybe that key that kind of unlocks this offense.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to something you referenced in
Speaker 1: our first hit to start the show, and just to
Speaker 1: throw a few names.
Speaker 2: We talked about a few of these earlier.
Speaker 1: The Scott Mitchells of the world who in ninety eight
Speaker 1: goes for three eighty four and three touchdowns, the Eddie
Speaker 1: Johnson's of the world, the Mike McCoy's, the Jamal Anderson's,
Speaker 1: the Chris Fua Matzamahafala, the Brandon Warfields, the Steven Savoys,
Speaker 1: the Brett Ratliffs, the Brian Johnson's, the John Whites, the
Speaker 1: Joe Williams, the Brandon Burton for the block. The fact
Speaker 1: of the matter is you can be remembered as a
Speaker 1: legend with one great game against Brigham Young.
Speaker 2: But as you referenced, and if.
Speaker 1: You pull up both to be fair, if you pull
Speaker 1: up both Utah and BYU's roster, you see players from California, Washington, Texas, Florida, Canada, California, Arizona,
Speaker 1: and I could keep going Kahuku. Obviously, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the percentage is. There's a good amount of players
Speaker 1: on both teams.
Speaker 2: It did not grow up here.
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say maybe back when you
Speaker 1: were playing, there was more of a local presence on
Speaker 1: both rosters generally speaking. So if your coach with if
Speaker 1: you're obviously the coaching staffs from both teams know exactly
Speaker 1: what's at stake on Saturday, how do you get the
Speaker 1: message across from a to a kid from Rosenberg, Texas, Like, dude,
Speaker 1: Saturday is different.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if you don't fully understand, but it just is.
Speaker 4: I think it's really hard.
Speaker 3: Again, I thought it would be one of the biggest challenges,
Speaker 3: one of the biggest concerns for Utah because they've been out,
Speaker 3: they haven't been conference foes for so long. And you
Speaker 3: can be from a different state, you can be from
Speaker 3: a different you know, part of the country, and and
Speaker 3: but if you've been conference foes for a while, like
Speaker 3: it matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember interviewing the players from USC and the PAC
Speaker 3: twelve media days and they're like, you know, do you
Speaker 3: like having that late season game against Notre Dame?
Speaker 4: You know, because it.
Speaker 3: Can really in there, like like we would never give that,
Speaker 3: Like that game means so much to us and so
Speaker 3: understanding and being in the thick of a rivalry that matters.
Speaker 3: I don't care where you're from, it'll matter right now.
Speaker 3: They haven't been conference foes, and I think and for that,
Speaker 3: I think b YU has a harder challenge because they
Speaker 3: have so much more to lose, you know, and so
Speaker 3: there's so much more pressure on on BYU and this gin.
Speaker 3: There's like no pressure on Utah. It's just like the
Speaker 3: expectation for people is Utah is gonna lose this game,
Speaker 3: like like like the expectation is there is no expectation,
Speaker 3: and where with BYU, it's like, man, you better not
Speaker 3: lose it. You can't throw away this amazing season just
Speaker 3: by losing to them. And there's there's that pressure that's
Speaker 3: built in there, and that's when things get funny, you know,
Speaker 3: because then the players, you know, you play tight, you
Speaker 3: play you know out of the like, don't lose this
Speaker 3: game mentality as opposed to let's go win the game mentality.
Speaker 3: And and that's when you start to see the mistakes.
Speaker 3: And that's where I think Utah has the advantage in
Speaker 3: this game, is when it when the pressure really is
Speaker 3: all on BYU to play well.
Speaker 1: So let's continue the quarterback conversation, but let's switch over
Speaker 1: to what you've seen from Jake. Jake Rhetz laugh who
Speaker 1: last year in four starts, lost all four of them.
Speaker 1: And I watched every minute of those games. He made
Speaker 1: so many errors, not just the ones he paid for.
Speaker 1: He had throws that should have been picked off. He
Speaker 1: had fumbles that were covered by his own team. It
Speaker 1: was a comedy of errors of sorts. Obviously that kid
Speaker 1: put in some serious work. I was told that it
Speaker 1: really wasn't a QB competition. A Rod thought Jake had
Speaker 1: put in the work in the offseason. They'd seen enough
Speaker 1: raw potential. There are now to your point about Utah's defense.
Speaker 1: If you're a YOUTE fan, here's why you should be
Speaker 1: relatively optimistic.
Speaker 2: The problem is Utah football.
Speaker 1: For everything you said about their d because most of
Speaker 1: the numbers indicate they're a top two or three d
Speaker 1: in conference except for two, they don't get to the
Speaker 1: quarterback and they don't force turnovers. But for all of
Speaker 1: Jake's brilliance this year, there are still three or four
Speaker 1: moments every game where you're like, that should have been picked,
Speaker 1: you should have paid for that.
Speaker 2: So he's been really good. I'm not knocking off. But
Speaker 2: if your Utah's defense are those Jake.
Speaker 4: And you go, well, we haven't turned the ball, we
Speaker 4: haven't got turnovers a lot, we haven't got to the
Speaker 4: quarterback percentages. Just say it will come inevitable.
Speaker 3: It's inevitable that can happen, right, And a lot of
Speaker 3: it has been game situations. A lot of it's been
Speaker 3: a lot of teams have been really really conservative playing
Speaker 3: this Utah defense.
Speaker 4: They have not let the quarterback sit in the pocket.
Speaker 3: They haven't had to because you're not playing from behind,
Speaker 3: you're not you know, So the one element that and
Speaker 3: that's on the offense. The offense doesn't put pressure on
Speaker 3: the other team's offense because we don't have to score
Speaker 3: because you guys suck.
Speaker 4: Off.
Speaker 3: And so so those are a little misleading because I
Speaker 3: like a lot of what this defense is and what
Speaker 3: they've done. They've just been they've been in some really
Speaker 3: unfortunate tough situations.
Speaker 1: And meat and potato metrics are good, good against the run,
Speaker 1: they're good against the past, the good efficiency.
Speaker 3: Yes, and and and under duress because there have been
Speaker 3: a lot of three and outs made eleven punts, you know,
Speaker 3: I think against TCU and and you just do you
Speaker 3: get tired, You get worn down in a game, and
Speaker 3: it's and it's hard to to stay at that high
Speaker 3: level every single play, every single series. And that's why
Speaker 3: you see kind of these big plays that happened from
Speaker 3: time to time because someone just got tired and they
Speaker 3: just didn't quite get to their gap where they're supposed
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 4: And that you know, that's just the product of just
Speaker 4: being tired.
Speaker 3: But yes, so so what what Jake reds Laft has
Speaker 3: done is he's just made some plays at the right time,
Speaker 3: and he's made plays running the football. And but there's
Speaker 3: a little bit of I've lived on some borrowed time here,
Speaker 3: and that catches up with you eventually. You know, you
Speaker 3: you live by a certain way and you're gonna die
Speaker 3: by it eventually, because that's just that's just the way
Speaker 3: things are. And and I and that's to me, the
Speaker 3: pressure of this. You know, can you create enough pressure
Speaker 3: about this game? Can you put enough pressure on him
Speaker 3: to where you know he's gonna he's gonna give you
Speaker 3: a turnover? Because I think turnovers are going to be
Speaker 3: a huge part of this game. They always are, and
Speaker 3: and and I think a lot of it is because
Speaker 3: of that weirdness and that extra pressure that happens in
Speaker 3: this game. To me, it's about stopping him running more
Speaker 3: than it is stopping him throwing the football.
Speaker 4: And I think if you talk and do that, you
Speaker 4: know they're they're gonna have a chance. You know.
Speaker 3: To me, I think your defense is gonna give you
Speaker 3: a chance no matter what. I think they're really going
Speaker 3: to give him a chance if they can do that.
Speaker 3: And and it's just can the offense produce enough? Can
Speaker 3: you find other opportunities? So maybe you play a little
Speaker 3: bit more aggressive on defense to try to get interceptions.
Speaker 3: Maybe you open up your special teams to try to, hey,
Speaker 3: let's get a return somewhere somehow, let's go after and
Speaker 3: you talk did that a little bit. They went after
Speaker 3: the punter a couple of times in the Houston game
Speaker 3: last week because you got to figure out, you know,
Speaker 3: somewhere to manufacture enough another offense.
Speaker 4: But the quarterback, to me, really it's it's a b
Speaker 4: y u is.
Speaker 3: Everyone's just playing with a lot of enthusiasm. You know,
Speaker 3: they're just playing hard. I don't know that they're extra
Speaker 3: special talent wise or whatever. I don't I don't know
Speaker 3: talent wise, you know, I don't know that it's very
Speaker 3: different across the board in the conference. But there's just
Speaker 3: they're just having fun playing football. They're energized, they believe
Speaker 3: in what they're doing, and and that that you find
Speaker 3: ways to create opportunities on the field when you play
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: One more thing for the segment that we're gonna grab
Speaker 1: my guy Mikey here. So I referenced when you were playing,
Speaker 1: it felt like there were just more local players on
Speaker 1: each roster who got it.
Speaker 2: But there weren't. They weren't all local players.
Speaker 1: So what was it like for you as somebody who
Speaker 1: was a local, to explain to your teammates who didn't
Speaker 1: grow up here what this game is actually like.
Speaker 5: H.
Speaker 4: Okay, I have a funny story, jar.
Speaker 3: And so we they someone from BYU painted the U blue, right,
Speaker 3: and our players did not like that, right, And so
Speaker 3: some of them were gonna go down and they were
Speaker 3: gonna they were gonna paint something red in Provo. Okay,
Speaker 3: and they were players of color. And I said to them,
Speaker 3: understand your enthusiasm here, but you're gonna stick.
Speaker 4: Out in Provo.
Speaker 2: Maybe don't do that down there.
Speaker 4: You're gonna they're.
Speaker 3: Gonna, they're gonna go You're not from here, right, And
Speaker 3: so they end up going down there, and they they
Speaker 3: tried to paint the cougar at outside the stadium red
Speaker 3: and they were arrested before they got they got there.
Speaker 3: But it it really didn't take long for anyone to
Speaker 3: understand this rivalry in my time, because BYU was so
Speaker 3: they were so arrogant about and.
Speaker 4: They had the right.
Speaker 3: I mean again, fifteen out of sixteen, I mean BYU
Speaker 3: had it going on two yeah, right, yeah right, And so.
Speaker 4: No one took that lightly. Whether it just it didn't.
Speaker 3: Matter, it wasn't it wasn't hard in that game. It's like,
Speaker 3: all right, guys, you've set yourself out there, you better
Speaker 3: come out ready to play. And they did, and we
Speaker 3: actually lost that game. I think it was it was
Speaker 3: like twenty one seventeen or something. It was, it was
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty seven. It was a close, close game.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we understood everyone understood the rivalry and it
Speaker 3: probably meant more to us to win it and to
Speaker 3: play in it than I think than I think b
Speaker 3: yu more.
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Speaker 1: Scott Mitchell's here live on site for another big, long,
Speaker 1: juicy football segment. All right, Scott, So we are of
Speaker 1: the same mind that we do believe it's Brandon Rose
Speaker 1: over Isaac Wilson. As we've talked about, what's what's the difference?
Speaker 1: Does it make a difference in your mind? Obviously the
Speaker 1: position is of utmost importance, and you reference you liked
Speaker 1: what you saw on tape from Brandon against Houston.
Speaker 2: What's a reasonable expectation for you fans? With a play
Speaker 2: caller who will have his second game under his belt
Speaker 2: and a young man who we both believe is going
Speaker 2: to make his first college football start.
Speaker 3: The biggest difference happens when the players believe, right, it's
Speaker 3: not so much the quarterback, it's all the people around you.
Speaker 3: You go and there's a there's a tendency to try
Speaker 3: a little bit harder, and it's not it's not a
Speaker 3: conscious thing per se. Maybe sometimes it is, you know whatever,
Speaker 3: but but most of the time it's like, Okay, hey,
Speaker 3: we got a guy in here. He's gonna get me
Speaker 3: the ball, and and and uh, he's gonna make plays.
Speaker 3: We're gonna we're gonna have a chance. It's it's that
Speaker 3: whole mindset of hope. And when you have someone in there,
Speaker 3: whether you know, whether they have more talent, they do
Speaker 3: a better job. But if the players believe in that guy,
Speaker 3: that that can really just that can change the dynamic
Speaker 3: like like nobody's business. It's it's the mindset is such
Speaker 3: a powerful thing, especially for these college kids, you know
Speaker 3: where where they're they're they're still trying to figure out
Speaker 3: and find their confidence and their belief, you know, because
Speaker 3: when you you start looking at this offense and it's
Speaker 3: just lost its confidence, Cam Rising he just oozed confidence
Speaker 3: and he just brought that to the table and lifted
Speaker 3: not only the offense, but like the whole entire team.
Speaker 3: So you get a guy out there that kind of
Speaker 3: changes that everybody, even the coaches, you know, even the
Speaker 3: defense even you know, if you get someone we got
Speaker 3: a guy in here, we know we can win, You're
Speaker 3: gonna get a better, more consistent effort from everybody.
Speaker 1: So I want to ask you about the Houston game,
Speaker 1: And as you pointed out earlier, I mean, look at
Speaker 1: this point, like this week, we were supposed to do
Speaker 1: our Big twelve Power rankings. Yeah, and I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: kill the segment because I would say it's b YU one.
Speaker 2: Then everyone else tied to through, so I.
Speaker 1: Don't know who's good and Houston just BATK State, So
Speaker 1: maybe they figured some things out. That was game one
Speaker 1: for Mike Jacan. You played the position at the highest
Speaker 1: of levels. Did you notice anything different with the play calling?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 2: Did he put his own stamp on that game at all?
Speaker 4: I don't know that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that it was significantly different. They've they've
Speaker 3: ran an actual screen and and it worked, and it
Speaker 3: you know, and and so that was maybe a little difference,
Speaker 3: but everything else because you don't want to just like
Speaker 3: fire sell the whole entire office.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 3: You can't learn those other those players can't learn a
Speaker 3: new system. It's just impossible and learn it and feel
Speaker 3: confident to go run in game situations.
Speaker 4: So you're it's gonna be the same plays.
Speaker 3: Uh, you know that Andy's had and you don't want
Speaker 3: to change it because the players are good.
Speaker 4: It's not it's not a it's not a question.
Speaker 3: It's about executing the plays and and about you know,
Speaker 3: making making plays, it's about converting third downs, it's about
Speaker 3: you know, just those fundamental things. I think we talked
Speaker 3: about them where there was this lack of focus with
Speaker 3: coming back to the football, catching the football, offensive lineman,
Speaker 3: going off sides, and and and that to me said
Speaker 3: this this team is not having the discipline to prepare
Speaker 3: themselves to play because you see those those those are
Speaker 3: those are absolute fundamental things that have to happen when
Speaker 3: you play, and it takes a level of comp uh,
Speaker 3: focus and concentration. But also it's it's the discipline to
Speaker 3: do it during week the week, doing it every single day,
Speaker 3: where they become just the habits of who you are.
Speaker 3: And when you're kind of going through the motions you're
Speaker 3: not believing in things, that's when that's when you see
Speaker 3: that that that offense really sputter. And that's that's what
Speaker 3: I've seen with this this Utah team.
Speaker 1: So it's very safe to say that Utah is gonna
Speaker 1: have to protect the quarterback and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: open up some lanes for the running backs because b yu,
Speaker 1: they have gotten to the quarterback and they do force turnovers,
Speaker 1: they do create havoc plays we're hearing and maybe you
Speaker 1: have some first hand inside here, some rumors about maybe
Speaker 1: some O linement that aren't entirely healthy for Utah. B
Speaker 1: YU will be without Connor pay and one of the
Speaker 1: doesn't one of the receivers is out.
Speaker 2: But they've got like seven dudes in that room. Tell
Speaker 2: me what you've seen from the.
Speaker 1: O line, both the good and the bad this year,
Speaker 1: and what you're expecting on Saturday against a really good BYU.
Speaker 3: Front really quick about the conference and who's good and
Speaker 3: who's bad and banking everything. I think the conference almost
Speaker 3: from top to bottom is about the same, even by us,
Speaker 3: And so it's a matter of timely place, it's a
Speaker 3: matter of playing right. It's a matter of how your
Speaker 3: schedule flows out, and not only not only who you play,
Speaker 3: but when you play them, you know. And so I mean,
Speaker 3: you look at Utah going down the road. They got BYU,
Speaker 3: who's at the top of conference. They've got Colorado who's
Speaker 3: at the top of the conference. They have Iowa State,
Speaker 3: who's at the top of the conference. I don't think
Speaker 3: you would have said that at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: You got and then you got UCF, which all of
Speaker 3: a sudden looks like they might have gotten explosive. And
Speaker 3: so it's it's about this attrition, and you talk about
Speaker 3: losing guys, and it's do you have enough depth and
Speaker 3: and and are you playing, you know, at the right time.
Speaker 3: And so there's just a fine fine line between winning
Speaker 3: and losing in this conference, from top to bottom. There
Speaker 3: is not one team you just go, oh, they are
Speaker 3: just head and shoulders better than anyone else in the conference.
Speaker 3: So you've got to show up week after week and
Speaker 3: and game after game if you're going to play and
Speaker 3: play well. And some guys, some teams do it and
Speaker 3: some haven't this year, and really the conference could go anyway.
Speaker 3: And I think that's a that's a hallmark of the
Speaker 3: Big Twelve in general. You know, they've had a lot
Speaker 3: of different winners in the conference. And you know, TCU
Speaker 3: went to the College Football Playoffs a couple of years
Speaker 3: ago and they're trying to figure out who they are today.
Speaker 3: UCF was undefeated a few years ago. Cincinnati was a
Speaker 3: really good team. But as far as this offensive line,
Speaker 3: to answer your question, I think it's.
Speaker 4: Been a very consistent performance.
Speaker 3: The quarterbacks have had time to throw the football and
Speaker 3: they've done an exceptional job of actually run blocking. What
Speaker 3: the thing that I saw early on, and I saw
Speaker 3: a lot last year, was too many guys were just
Speaker 3: missing blocks, whether it was in the run game or
Speaker 3: in the passing game, just getting beat on one on
Speaker 3: one situations. And sometimes that's a product of youth. You know,
Speaker 3: there was a little bit of youth in the offensive line.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: The the offensive line, to me, has been a very
Speaker 3: pleasant surprise this year. They I certainly think they've done
Speaker 3: a pretty a pretty decent job. The one thing that's
Speaker 3: been hard, and Utah has been so good at it
Speaker 3: in the past is running in the red zone and
Speaker 3: running inside the ten yard line, and you haven't seen
Speaker 3: that this year. There have been some situations where they've
Speaker 3: had some some short yardage and that they haven't converted on.
Speaker 3: But but overall, you know, I've liked what the offensive
Speaker 3: line has done. Part of what helped the offense in
Speaker 3: the past was a quarterback though, of course, and kind
Speaker 3: of took he kind of erased some of the mistakes
Speaker 3: you saw. Even Tyler Huntley did this when he was there.
Speaker 3: He got out of some tough situations. And but Cam
Speaker 3: was a wizard at it, and when he hasn't been
Speaker 3: in there, you haven't had that that element, which again
Speaker 3: it helps you to kind of well, the offensive line
Speaker 3: is not doing too bad because the quarter you don't
Speaker 3: you don't necessarily see it as much. But even though
Speaker 3: the quarterback is played not so good with Cam out,
Speaker 3: the offensive line is still played pretty pretty solid and
Speaker 3: pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: So of course we know that Kay Bernard is running
Speaker 1: back one, and Kyle told us as much, and I
Speaker 1: think there was some skepticism about whether or not he
Speaker 1: could run between the tackles because we just hadn't seen
Speaker 1: him do it, but he has been able to do it,
Speaker 1: certainly in spurts we've seen a little more Jalen Glover
Speaker 1: as of late. Jalen had some unfortunate media availability yesterday
Speaker 1: where he decided to say some things that probably might
Speaker 1: end up on a bulletin board.
Speaker 2: But that happens, It's okay. Called it the Cold War.
Speaker 1: Which yeah, close, you know, mistakes are made, But Jalen
Speaker 1: Glover has had really good games for Utah in the
Speaker 1: past in really big situations. I'm not saying that this
Speaker 1: is the answer because I agree with you until they
Speaker 1: find it on your center with a quarterback, you're kind
Speaker 1: of running uphill.
Speaker 2: Sure, but can we see a little more Jalen. You
Speaker 2: think as the season wears on.
Speaker 4: You always have to have a number two guy. Uh.
Speaker 3: The number one guy just can't carry the load throughout
Speaker 3: the season. You're just gonna You're just gonna wear down,
Speaker 3: and you wear down in the game. You just they
Speaker 3: they need a break from time to time. I've always
Speaker 3: been a fan of Jalen Glover. For for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: he's fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. I
Speaker 3: don't know why, you know, I just know that it's
Speaker 3: been the case. And uh and and I'm sure some
Speaker 3: of his conversations or some of his you know, uh
Speaker 3: remarks or actions have been probably out of frustration. Sure,
Speaker 3: you know, I've just there has been a kid that's
Speaker 3: seems like he does things the right way, plays hard
Speaker 3: when he gets in the game, and you know, he's
Speaker 3: not a guy that's gonna be super explosive, you know,
Speaker 3: but he's gonna get you some really tough yards. And
Speaker 3: and that's the one thing he's been as a tough,
Speaker 3: tough runner. I'm not sure that Mike Mitchell has been
Speaker 3: that guy they thought would be tough running inside who
Speaker 3: had been kind of the number two guy, and and
Speaker 3: they give they started to give Jalen some looks here
Speaker 3: as of recent and and he's a guy that's not
Speaker 3: only I think good at that, but he's probably pretty
Speaker 3: fired up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would imagine wanting to show you, yeah right,
Speaker 4: keep me off the field. And that's a good thing,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: And I don't think it's intentional by the coaches to like, well,
Speaker 3: let's let it, let's get it pissed off and then
Speaker 3: you'll play good.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just a byproduct of everything. And I don't want
Speaker 3: to give a coach any good ideas that maybe they
Speaker 3: start that that.
Speaker 4: That the strategy.
Speaker 3: But I like him and I think he could he
Speaker 3: could have some kind of an impact on this game
Speaker 3: and even for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1: As far as as you outlined earlier, a roster that's
Speaker 1: still and this was the as I as I talked
Speaker 1: about last segment, This was the branch I was holding
Speaker 1: on too before I fell flat in the mud. Is
Speaker 1: I still believe the talent on the roster is there
Speaker 1: and there's a reason why all of us. And when
Speaker 1: I say all of us, I don't just mean locally,
Speaker 1: I mean the national media too honed in on this
Speaker 1: team as the favorite to win this.
Speaker 2: Conference and go to the CFP.
Speaker 1: That maybe we were misguided, but it doesn't mean we
Speaker 1: weren't wrong about the personnel. So I want to talk
Speaker 1: about and obviously you have experience playing quarterback in the pros.
Speaker 1: I would imagine at some point, maybe during a rough
Speaker 1: period for you or your team, some of your targets
Speaker 1: weren't thrilled with you because you weren't throwing them the football.
Speaker 1: How tough is it for a Dorian Singer or a
Speaker 1: brand Keithy or any of these guys Caleb Loher who
Speaker 1: has three catches on the year and all three of
Speaker 1: them are touchdowns. How tough the tight ends, as you
Speaker 1: reference outside of brandt like not existing even though there's
Speaker 1: talent there. How tough is it to stay confident and
Speaker 1: ready when you don't have the right guy throwing you
Speaker 1: the ball all year long?
Speaker 4: I think it's brutally hard. Yeah.
Speaker 3: If I was in that situation, it would drive me banana.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I would just be like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 3: You know, in Detroit I had Herman Moore and Brett
Speaker 3: Perriman and and Johnny Morton was our third guy, and
Speaker 3: you know, and he was really good and Bretton and
Speaker 3: Herman had over one hundred catches and and Brett was
Speaker 3: still mad like he's like, you know, throw me the ball,
Speaker 3: you know, and and and for me, I liked it.
Speaker 3: I like that these guys wanted the football. They wanted
Speaker 3: it every down because it's like, I know, if I
Speaker 3: throw the ball to you, you're gonna make a play
Speaker 3: on it, like and you build that cam Radnie. We
Speaker 3: had one situation Brett got so mad he wouldn't come
Speaker 3: in the huddle. This is no joke. And I go,
Speaker 3: dude like, and he goes, well, you're not going to
Speaker 3: throw me the ball anyways. And I go, well, just
Speaker 3: line up and don't jump off sides in and just
Speaker 3: go over there and pal, you know, it's just what
Speaker 3: if that's the way you're going to be about it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, And that.
Speaker 4: Last set about a play.
Speaker 3: But uh, and I love Brett and I'd love throwing
Speaker 3: a football to him. With the Utah situation, I just
Speaker 3: I feel for these guys, I really do, because you
Speaker 3: have to you have to show up, and you have
Speaker 3: to play hard, and you have to you may be
Speaker 3: in the third quarter and you you may have been
Speaker 3: you know, real time, sitting there for three hours before
Speaker 3: you've thrown your first pass has thrown to you and
Speaker 3: then go, okay, catch it now, you know, and and
Speaker 3: it's and it's and that's why, that's why I talk
Speaker 3: about getting guys involved early in the game. It's just
Speaker 3: it's just it's they just feel confident, they feel and
Speaker 3: even if you just talk to them.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, okay, I know you're you know, what
Speaker 4: do you like?
Speaker 3: You know, just anything, just even if you're even if
Speaker 3: you're bsing with them, just talk to them, Just talk
Speaker 3: to all of them, because uh, they want to feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, they're they're they're involved in they're they're a
Speaker 3: part of this. And and human nature is just like
Speaker 3: why in the world am I going through this over
Speaker 3: and over and and uh and I'm never getting the ball.
Speaker 3: I'm not involved because everyone that goes out on the field,
Speaker 3: and I shouldn't say everyone, but most everyone they go.
Speaker 4: I want to be a difference maker, you know, give
Speaker 4: me the ball.
Speaker 3: I want to be someone that that hasn't uh, you know,
Speaker 3: some some kind of input impact on the outcome of
Speaker 3: this game, and when you're not involved, it's just it's
Speaker 3: such it's such a hard thing. And it's so hard
Speaker 3: when you know you have a lot of really good
Speaker 3: players because then you're you're like those players are never
Speaker 3: going to reach their full potential of what they could
Speaker 3: really be because and so you've got to really get
Speaker 3: guys that buy into it's about the team and it's
Speaker 3: about winning. And if it's about team and winning and
Speaker 3: you're not winning, then what's it about? You know, And
Speaker 3: it just makes it brutally hard.
Speaker 1: Well, and for guys like Dorian Singer and Bran Keithy,
Speaker 1: I'm no NFL scout, but you can find mock drafts
Speaker 1: that have them.
Speaker 2: As NFL prospects.
Speaker 1: The guys you were thrown too, it's about their money, right,
Speaker 1: Like they want their catches because they want their contract.
Speaker 1: But if you're Branton Dorian, you want to put good
Speaker 1: tape out there so you can get drafted. And they
Speaker 1: haven't had the quarterback this year, although maybe it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Devon vele is killing it in Denver and he didn't
Speaker 1: get Cameron as much as we thought he would either,
Speaker 1: But there's got to be that element too. These guys
Speaker 1: are looking at maybe the next step, and if they
Speaker 1: can't get exposure for what they can do because of
Speaker 1: the quarterback, that might seep in a little bit you
Speaker 1: start to see some frustration.
Speaker 3: And rightfully so you know, I'm not mad at no,
Speaker 3: because it's like, look, you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 3: special opportunity to get to play on Sundays.
Speaker 4: It's it's incredible.
Speaker 3: And and knowing that, you know, so much of it
Speaker 3: depends on kind of I need to get exposure. I
Speaker 3: need to have people see what I'm I'm all about
Speaker 3: and what I can do, and and and being in
Speaker 3: a situation which which if you're if you're a recruit,
Speaker 3: it's like, why would I want to go to a
Speaker 3: school where I'm not going to get that Look, I'm
Speaker 3: not going to get that exposure, I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get that development and that that that don't lily hurts
Speaker 3: you now, it hurts It hurts future future prospects, you know,
Speaker 3: down the road. But there is there is one thing
Speaker 3: that's different from when I was playing it and you
Speaker 3: talk about money, is there's players today that are in
Speaker 3: college that are are making money. And money is a
Speaker 3: funny thing and it and it you know, and so
Speaker 3: some of them may go, yeah, you know, I'm good,
Speaker 3: you know, and it might take the edge off or
Speaker 3: the drive or the you know, I want to I
Speaker 3: want to do well. You know, it's like I'm good.
Speaker 3: You know, I got a little bit of money, you know,
Speaker 3: because you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty years old and you know,
Speaker 3: thirty thousand dollars might make you feel like you're a millionaire.
Speaker 4: You know, you know who knows.
Speaker 3: And so the money side of it can work kind
Speaker 3: of both ways where I need I want to show
Speaker 3: that I can get paid, but then I'm getting paid
Speaker 3: and I'm less motivated because you know, I'm kind of
Speaker 3: being taken care of.
Speaker 1: Right now, How do you think Utah has adapted to
Speaker 1: the new reality of the sport.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll just ask your point blank.
Speaker 1: Coach Witt was asked about it, and he just essentially
Speaker 1: set out, difficult it's been. It felt like the early
Speaker 1: returns were fine. Utah didn't have like a mass exodus.
Speaker 4: That did.
Speaker 2: They lose some people for sure, like the jaquinin stuff hurts.
Speaker 4: He's really good.
Speaker 1: So they've lost people like everybody else. They've also brought
Speaker 1: people in like everybody else. But now that we have
Speaker 1: about almost three years of data behind us, how do
Speaker 1: you think Utah Football handles has handled the new normal?
Speaker 3: Well, the thing that I like is they've recognized that
Speaker 3: it's what you have to do, and I think there's
Speaker 3: a real effort to do the best they can as
Speaker 3: far as you know, raising money and having money available
Speaker 3: for these players. It's you know, it's brutally challenging because
Speaker 3: you know, players can just bolt, you know, and so
Speaker 3: you're constantly recruiting players, you're constantly keeping them involved and
Speaker 3: just going you know, we have a budget, We have
Speaker 3: so much money we can spend, and you spend money
Speaker 3: on players who aren't producing or aren't healthy.
Speaker 4: You know, it really it really challenges it.
Speaker 3: I mean, if anything's hurt them, it's not been players leaving.
Speaker 3: It's been it's been Cam Rising not being able to play.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of money went into cam Rising
Speaker 3: for the last two years for the limited production, and
Speaker 3: I think it's money well spent, if you you know,
Speaker 3: I honestly, I think you look at any program in
Speaker 3: the country, they're going to go out and get a guy,
Speaker 3: even the top one like Oregon got Dylan Gabriel and
Speaker 3: he wasn't there. They didn't recruit him, but they go,
Speaker 3: we need a top two your quarterback, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: go get him, and we're gonna pay for it. And
Speaker 3: I think, I think of any position, there has to
Speaker 3: be a willingness to go get that kind of guy
Speaker 3: in your program if you're really serious about being a
Speaker 3: contender on a national stage.
Speaker 1: Since I've simply never asked you the question on air,
Speaker 1: Cameron has an eighth year of eligibility left. Well, I
Speaker 1: feel like this is a scenario where a married couple
Speaker 1: still loves each other but just kind of wants to
Speaker 1: go experience the world.
Speaker 2: So you give each other hugs, say go take care.
Speaker 2: This has been fun. Do you It's probably in the
Speaker 2: best interest.
Speaker 1: And I had Eric Weddel on the day of the
Speaker 1: Monday after the ASU game.
Speaker 2: He was pretty forceful.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, that's the love can but that's not
Speaker 1: Where are you at with the potential of him coming back?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you talk.
Speaker 3: There's just a lot of fatigue there both in in
Speaker 3: the program, like we've had enough, and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of fatigue kind of from the booster donator side of it,
Speaker 3: like yeah, we've maybe had enough of this, and and it,
Speaker 3: and it probably is in in everyone's best interest to
Speaker 3: to to move forward.
Speaker 4: You know, there's.
Speaker 3: Coach Shula I think would sell his own mother to win,
Speaker 3: you know, and and so so the competitive side of
Speaker 3: you goes, yeah, but remember those two years when when
Speaker 3: you won championships and.
Speaker 2: He comes back?
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, but you know, is there a willingness
Speaker 3: to do it?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 4: Do you have to pay for it?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 4: Does he want to does he want to do it?
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not convinced that that Cam is a
Speaker 3: legitimate NFL prospect, but you know, all bets are off
Speaker 3: if you're trying to win championships, and if you have
Speaker 3: a good player and you can get him in your
Speaker 3: program and he can be healthy, I think you're I
Speaker 3: think you're foolish not to consider that.
Speaker 1: All right, Scott, Before I set you loose, since this
Speaker 1: is the time I get with you this week, I.
Speaker 2: Want to ask you for a final score prediction.
Speaker 1: I'll ask you whether or not the ute inside of
Speaker 1: you anywhere has been able to find confidence that Saturday
Speaker 1: Night could actually go Utah's way.
Speaker 3: Okay, so the the protective fan side of me just says,
Speaker 3: man Utah is gonna lose this week, you know, like
Speaker 3: you just prepare yourself, just set expectations, right, and so
Speaker 3: then if they But but the real side of me says,
Speaker 3: this is a this is a really tough game for BYU.
Speaker 3: It's a scary game for BYU because Utah is not
Speaker 3: as bad as what their record says it and and
Speaker 3: and it could just you know, it could be a
Speaker 3: funny thing. And I really feel like that's probably more
Speaker 3: of what what's going to happen. I think we're all
Speaker 3: going to be surprised, you know, from this game. So
Speaker 3: I'm I'm which is really dumb. I'm gonna bet the
Speaker 3: ranch on Brandon Rose, okay, and and I'm gonna say
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Utah scores twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 2: They have to get more than twenty four.
Speaker 3: And I think I think BYU I'm gonna go twenty
Speaker 3: seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven seventeen Utah wins. I think it's I think
Speaker 2: it's played the damn fight song.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's turnover laden and there's some help
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 4: But twenty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 2: All right, my friend, Well, thanks for coming out.
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Speaker 2: Friend of the Show, it's been a while.
Speaker 1: It's great to have Austin Collie back on the program
Speaker 1: on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Austin, Happy Tuesday, man.
Speaker 6: How you doingany Tuesday?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm well, I'm well. I appreciate your time today.
Speaker 1: So, just generally speaking, what is Utah BYU Week like
Speaker 1: for you? As somebody who played in this rivalry once
Speaker 1: upon a time.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you what I'll be honest, I tend to
Speaker 11: get a lot of requests to do some you know,
Speaker 11: radio bits and different media outlet interviews. So it's it's fun, man.
Speaker 11: It's a game that I've you know, I've always held
Speaker 11: near dear to my heart, and I think all BYU
Speaker 11: and Utah fans have and you know it. It's nothing
Speaker 11: but great for college football and great for the stadium.
Speaker 1: How has your prism or review on the rivalry changed
Speaker 1: in the years in between your performances and you had
Speaker 1: some great games against BYU. We remember fourth and eighteen
Speaker 1: you c got eighteen passes for three h four and
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And then obviously you made remarks that I
Speaker 1: always maintain we're taking a little bit out of context.
Speaker 2: But you know the deal with.
Speaker 1: This, if you say one thing there were, people will
Speaker 1: run with them forever. So you're still kind of the
Speaker 1: magic happens guy. And when that went down, people were
Speaker 1: not very nice to you, Austin. So, between then and now,
Speaker 1: how is your view of the game changed, if at all?
Speaker 11: Oh, I think I've put more stock into the game now.
Speaker 6: Like you know, prior to.
Speaker 11: Prior to coming here and prior to coming to by U, right,
Speaker 11: I lived in California.
Speaker 4: I was.
Speaker 11: I was a packed ten at the time. Kid. You know,
Speaker 11: I really didn't pay too much attention about, uh, you know,
Speaker 11: in regards to BYU and Utah and the rivalry. And
Speaker 11: I remember my my freshman year, my true freshman year,
Speaker 11: when we went up there, played against the Fiesta Bowl
Speaker 11: team against Alex Smith and Urban Meyer, and and uh
Speaker 11: you know, I had a little SoundBite during that week
Speaker 11: as well that that fans and players didn't take too
Speaker 11: kindly too and and that was kind of my first
Speaker 11: dose of what the rivalry meant to the players, the
Speaker 11: teams or the universities, as well as the state and
Speaker 11: the fans. And I think my understanding has even gone
Speaker 11: to another level having lived here now, right, I've got
Speaker 11: two partners that we don't insurance brokers here in South Jordan,
Speaker 11: and they are avid Utah fans. So we've been going
Speaker 11: back and forth for the past two months on who's
Speaker 11: gonna win this game and what this game means to
Speaker 11: each of us.
Speaker 2: I gotta love that.
Speaker 1: I wonder if you have, because, as I referenced, you
Speaker 1: had several memorable moments.
Speaker 2: Against the youths. Is there one that stands out above
Speaker 2: the rest?
Speaker 1: I imagine I know the answer to that question, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to get it from you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: No, I you know, before the eighteen obviously is you know,
Speaker 11: that's what I'm constantly reminded of from YU fans and
Speaker 11: and Utah fans alike. Obviously Utah fans have a little
Speaker 11: bit more hate in our heart when they talk about
Speaker 11: that play. But you know, I think every game I played,
Speaker 11: even against Utah, it it was different. It was definitely
Speaker 11: different than the other games that we played against. You
Speaker 11: could tell there was a different energy, there was a
Speaker 11: different uh you know, there was more on the line
Speaker 11: I think during those games than any of the other
Speaker 11: games I played.
Speaker 1: So I believe, Austin, you were part of the last
Speaker 1: b YU team to win in Salt Lake?
Speaker 2: Is that is that accurate? I think that's true.
Speaker 11: That is not true, so I I the last time
Speaker 11: I won was the fourth and eighteen year was two
Speaker 11: thousand and seven. And then I, you know, luckily was
Speaker 11: able to play against two of the best Utah teams
Speaker 11: that Utah has ever had, right in four lost to
Speaker 11: them and four and then you know, as luck would
Speaker 11: have it, I lost them and O eight when they
Speaker 11: went to the Sugar Bowl, so U, I only got
Speaker 11: them one time out of three, So I'm not gonna.
Speaker 4: Lie to yet.
Speaker 11: You know, every time we didn't get him, I go
Speaker 11: ahead and I chalk that up as my own win
Speaker 11: as well.
Speaker 4: Be fair enough.
Speaker 1: Fair enough you you reference to dynamic about you personally
Speaker 1: that I wanted to tap into a little bit more,
Speaker 1: because you know, the these days Austin, as you know,
Speaker 1: you can pull up either Utah or BYU's roster and
Speaker 1: you see kids from Texas, in California, in Florida, in Canada.
Speaker 2: In Virginia, and I could keep going. And so it.
Speaker 1: Breeds this conversation where if you're not a local, do
Speaker 1: you really understand what this game means as somebody who
Speaker 1: did not grow up here? Do you think the out
Speaker 1: of state kids really understand what that environment is going
Speaker 1: to be like on Saturday night? Or is that something
Speaker 1: that you simply have to experience firsthand?
Speaker 11: No, I think you have the experience firsthands, right like
Speaker 11: I grew up you know, watching the USC Notre Dame,
Speaker 11: you know, the Arizona Arizona State, the stay for USC
Speaker 11: game or stay for cal games like those are the
Speaker 11: you know, and obviously the Michigan, Ohuse State. And those
Speaker 11: are the rivalries that I knew. And then you know,
Speaker 11: having experienced myself, now I have the appreciation that this
Speaker 11: is like a top three rivalry in the country in
Speaker 11: my opinion, right, And I I try to say that
Speaker 11: without you know, any bias. I mean the fact you
Speaker 11: have so many especially this game, you have so many
Speaker 11: kind of behind the scenes factors that go to this game, right,
Speaker 11: the head coach having played at b YU over Utah,
Speaker 11: the head coach playing at b YU and once coaching
Speaker 11: at Utah for b YU, Right, Like, there are so
Speaker 11: many different elements that go into this game that you know,
Speaker 11: the geography of it all right, the fact that the
Speaker 11: fan base is are majority, the majority of the fan
Speaker 11: base is broken up by you know, a single point
Speaker 11: of the mountain, right, and you know, and those are
Speaker 11: the things that make the rivalry what it is. And
Speaker 11: unless you are in the community or have been in
Speaker 11: the community and understand what this means to everyday people
Speaker 11: and the bragging rights that go along with it for
Speaker 11: the next year, and and how how how much people
Speaker 11: take the win or the loss of heart man, how
Speaker 11: that can ruin or make the next year? Uh, what
Speaker 11: it is for some of these fans like you don't
Speaker 11: know that, so you set foot on campus and played
Speaker 11: in the game.
Speaker 1: So you've made some of the most infamous comments in
Speaker 1: the history of this rivalry, as we've talked about.
Speaker 2: But I've always maintained that the real hate.
Speaker 1: When it comes to Utah BYU is fans who use
Speaker 1: the internet to feel brave. Cowards use the internet to
Speaker 1: feel brave, so they go online, they attack people in
Speaker 1: a way they never would in real life, and it
Speaker 1: seems to very rarely spill over.
Speaker 2: Into real life, although that does happen.
Speaker 1: But it always felt like the coaches and the players
Speaker 1: respected each other, respected the you know, the the other institution. Intel,
Speaker 1: a quarterback that you played with, Max Hall, said I
Speaker 1: don't like Utah.
Speaker 2: I hate them. I hate everything about them. That was
Speaker 2: the first time like your comments. In my opinion, yes.
Speaker 1: They were remembered in a way that probably is a
Speaker 1: little bit uncomfortable, but I thought that was kind of
Speaker 1: like no harm, no foul to me, and then.
Speaker 2: Max just goes, you know, nuclear on the entire thing thing.
Speaker 2: How accurate are Max's comments?
Speaker 1: Are they truly reflective of the way that most b
Speaker 1: y U players feel about the University of Utah.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 11: That's a that's a great question, you know, and it's
Speaker 11: it's a great question to ask only because you know,
Speaker 11: as the locker room from a geographically diverse or or
Speaker 11: or continues to become more geographically diverse in terms of
Speaker 11: where each players come from and not understanding like back
Speaker 11: back in my day, man, like we had a lot
Speaker 11: of kids from Utah, so they understood what this rivalry meant.
Speaker 11: And you could say there was some hatred, there was
Speaker 11: some uh it will right, uh wished upon the other university.
Speaker 11: But you know, I think, kid, now, especially with you
Speaker 11: know how many new kids are, you know, transferring into
Speaker 11: the into the school, into each school, you wonder if
Speaker 11: that hatred so exists And I'd probably say not, right, Like,
Speaker 11: I know, the kid from Utah said some things about
Speaker 11: by U which fired me up. I loved them, right,
Speaker 11: I mean, that's what the rivalry is all about. And
Speaker 11: then I saw that he kind of took them back
Speaker 11: on Twitter, and I was like, dude, don't take those back, right, Like,
Speaker 11: this is what the game is about, is what rivalry
Speaker 11: is supposed to be about. But you do understand, I think, yeah,
Speaker 11: I would say, maybe maybe the hatred's still there just
Speaker 11: because it's faan in fused, I guess yeah.
Speaker 1: And I just had never heard a player say what
Speaker 1: Max said. And for me, somebody who, as I say,
Speaker 1: I cheer for storylines in my space to talk about,
Speaker 1: I'm like, sweet, well I've got an I've got a
Speaker 1: week of content based off of the comments of Maxall.
Speaker 1: It was just New Austin because I had never heard
Speaker 1: a player under that phrase, if that makes sense.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 11: It doesn't help too that, you know, Max and I
Speaker 11: during those days, we would walk around, you know, unfiltered, right,
Speaker 11: and nowadays I don't think they can get away with
Speaker 11: that that much, just because of you know, all the
Speaker 11: eyes and all the outlets, and you know just how
Speaker 11: popular college football is now to eight compared to when
Speaker 11: it was back then. But yeah, yeah, Max, I think
Speaker 11: I think most of the players steel that way. I
Speaker 11: think Max is the only one brave enough to say it.
Speaker 1: So we had Colanie on yesterday, and when Colde was
Speaker 1: up here as the decordinator, I did a weekly coaches
Speaker 1: show with him, so I was able to get to
Speaker 1: know him and a Rod's my guy, and Jay Hilla
Speaker 1: you grad it feels from my seat Austin that Kilanie
Speaker 1: has taken the lead along with Coach Wit, because it's
Speaker 1: very much Coach Mac and Coach Leavelle as far as
Speaker 1: the respect and admiration they have for each other. Bronco
Speaker 1: was central casting for youth fans who think b Yu
Speaker 1: is pious to just feed fuel to the fire, and
Speaker 1: it felt like during those days, as you know, the
Speaker 1: hatred was through the roof, and it felt like it
Speaker 1: felt like it in the community, it felt like in churches,
Speaker 1: felt like online. Klani and Kyle seems to have restored
Speaker 1: civility to this thing from my vantage point, in a
Speaker 1: way that wasn't around when Bronco was here.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like that's accurate? What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Maybe, you know, I think we kind of put back
Speaker 11: in the Broncos at Broncos, you know, coaching tenure. I
Speaker 11: think I would say that it was easy to have
Speaker 11: a target on our back, right, and I think that
Speaker 11: was kind of like self inflicted in terms of maybe
Speaker 11: the hate that Utah had for us, right. I mean,
Speaker 11: when we're going out there saying things like, you know,
Speaker 11: quest for perfection and and maybe taking a platform a
Speaker 11: more I don't know, a religious stance on the university,
Speaker 11: not saying that it's not happening now. But you know,
Speaker 11: I think we were kinda we weren't afraid to say it,
Speaker 11: we weren't afraid to flow on it, right, And I
Speaker 11: think maybe that that the stark contract between the two
Speaker 11: universities and maybe the the student body was was kind
Speaker 11: of thrown in your face and maybe leveraged to kind
Speaker 11: of incite it's some more you know, more drama, more
Speaker 11: more ill will towards each other. But you know this nowadays,
Speaker 11: I think Colaane has done a great job. It's hard
Speaker 11: to hate Kilonne, right, It's hard to hate any any
Speaker 11: team that Kilani coaches, just because he's such a great
Speaker 11: guy and he, honestly, I'm sure has a ton of
Speaker 11: love for not just with but a lot of those
Speaker 11: guys over there at that coaching staff that are still
Speaker 11: there or were there when he was there. So you know,
Speaker 11: I don't think is I think that he's about to
Speaker 11: get turned out, to be honest with you, now that
Speaker 11: we're playing every year. I think that's kind of what
Speaker 11: kind of decimated the whole thing as well, when the
Speaker 11: game has no value, and it's just a game to
Speaker 11: be played, and it doesn't indicate where you're going to
Speaker 11: finish in terms of the conference, and both of you
Speaker 11: are in the same conference, I think it loses a
Speaker 11: little bit of its luster, a little bit of its heat,
Speaker 11: and and now that it does matter, now that we're
Speaker 11: on the same conference, I think it's going to turn.
Speaker 2: Back up for sure. Yeah, good point.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you because we had always heard,
Speaker 1: you know, the way coach Wait and Morgan coach this
Speaker 1: week and how it's we don't lose to them, and
Speaker 1: rumors of other things that may not be above board
Speaker 1: that I can't speak to because I was not there
Speaker 1: for any of them, Juxtaposed to the way Bronco prepared
Speaker 1: you guys for this game. It always felt like Bronco
Speaker 1: kind of took a nameless, faceless approach and this is
Speaker 1: just another game type thing, even though we all know
Speaker 1: it's not.
Speaker 2: How did Bronco get you ready for Utah b Yu?
Speaker 2: What was that week?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was business as usual to be honest with yes,
Speaker 11: Like I mean that that was kind of Bronco's approach.
Speaker 11: You know, no, no opponents greater than the others, and
Speaker 11: you know it is more just show up and play
Speaker 11: our game. We're gonna we're gonna be just fined. And
Speaker 11: and to be honestly, I hope I hope Colani takes
Speaker 11: a little bit more, has a little bit more or
Speaker 11: he's a little bit more edge to the guys, right
Speaker 11: and preparing him that that this week is not this
Speaker 11: week's not like any other week, right. I mean, if
Speaker 11: you look at the history of the game, I don't
Speaker 11: know what the what the average is, but you know,
Speaker 11: this game is decided by very few points each every
Speaker 11: single year, depending on or not depending on who's good
Speaker 11: or or or who's having a better season. But I
Speaker 11: mean it's it's strictly a game that that no matter
Speaker 11: where anybody stands in the season and how bad a
Speaker 11: team is or how good a team is, it always
Speaker 11: ends up being a margin of victory by by you know,
Speaker 11: or I should say, very small margin of victory.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 11: So it's not it's not the same week, it's not
Speaker 11: business as usual. This is a different game. It's a
Speaker 11: different opponent. They're coming and playing with some you know,
Speaker 11: coming from a place or playing from a place that
Speaker 11: you know they're not playing.
Speaker 6: Uh you know, they're they're not.
Speaker 11: They're not playing with with any other opponent.
Speaker 4: If that makes sense, it does.
Speaker 1: And from my perspective, I think Kilanie smells blood in
Speaker 1: the water. Kilanie is the sweetest guy in the world,
Speaker 1: but make no mistake, when it's time to play, he
Speaker 1: wants to kick your ass.
Speaker 2: And I think he smells blood in the water.
Speaker 1: I think he sees a team that has struggled offensively
Speaker 1: to do much of anything.
Speaker 2: And I think they're coming up here for blood, man,
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: And there's no data point that indicates Utah is a
Speaker 1: better football team than BYU.
Speaker 2: It does not exist. The numbers, not just the record.
Speaker 1: You go deeper, there's plenty of data points that indicate
Speaker 1: Utah still has a really stout defense, but offensively it's
Speaker 1: been a mess. I think, you know, it's not just Kilane.
Speaker 1: It's a fan.
Speaker 2: Base that heard four years enjoy your independence. We're in
Speaker 2: the PAC twelve now.
Speaker 1: It's fan base that basically for a generation has had
Speaker 1: the results more or less lopsided. Even though BYU got
Speaker 1: Utah last time to break a nine game losing streak,
Speaker 1: my feel is those boys are gonna be out for blood.
Speaker 2: They're coming up here and they're they're smelling the blood
Speaker 2: in the water.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope they
Speaker 11: come in with a with a different swagger than they
Speaker 11: have in years past. And I hope they come in
Speaker 11: with a mentality that they're going to you know, handle
Speaker 11: business and continue to convince the country that they're going
Speaker 11: to be Big Twelve champions and and hopefully end up
Speaker 11: in the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1: So a few minutes we have left, let's talk about
Speaker 1: what's impressed you the most, because look, the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is Austin with what happened last week in
Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, like the walking line for ute fans
Speaker 1: media was like, Okay, you have a chance to spoil
Speaker 1: BYU season.
Speaker 2: Well you don't because BYU could lose.
Speaker 1: On Saturday and still and they do still have a
Speaker 1: very very realistic path through the Big Twelve championship and
Speaker 1: therefore the CFP, and obviously the one thing you could
Speaker 1: ruin is a perfect season, which is always impressive when
Speaker 1: you've seen it the way that we have with eight
Speaker 1: and oh five to zero conference.
Speaker 2: What has stood out most.
Speaker 1: To you about the way Kilane and a Rod and
Speaker 1: Jay and the whole staff, the way they've been able
Speaker 1: to piece this together every week to answer every question
Speaker 1: that's been thrown at them.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I I mean, they're they're professionals, right.
Speaker 5: I think.
Speaker 11: I think it would be easy to kind of tower.
Speaker 11: You know, typically when when a team like b YU,
Speaker 11: who maybe hasn't found themselves in the top twenty five
Speaker 11: or even you know, obviously the top ten for quite
Speaker 11: some time, and maybe came in as an underdogs, it's
Speaker 11: easy to kind of get in the bright lights and
Speaker 11: maybe shy away or start doubting yourself if you're even
Speaker 11: you know, if you belong. And one of the things
Speaker 11: that not only the coaches, but the players have been
Speaker 11: able to demonstrate is that they're not afraid and they
Speaker 11: have all the confidence in the world, and they carry
Speaker 11: that that top ten swagger, right. They do deserve or
Speaker 11: they do believe that they deserve to be in the
Speaker 11: top ten. Every week they continue to convince the country
Speaker 11: that it is such. And you know, obviously that comes
Speaker 11: down to the way that they're handling it from the
Speaker 11: coach's end and what they're telling the players, you know,
Speaker 11: instilling that belief and instilling that confidence that they are
Speaker 11: a top ten team and deserved to be where they are.
Speaker 1: Last year, Jake struggled. Jake Reetzloff struggled. He lost all
Speaker 1: four of the starts he had. But I was told
Speaker 1: early on Austin in the process that this is not
Speaker 1: a quarterback competition, even though that's kind of what they
Speaker 1: were presenting, and Jake had really put in the work
Speaker 1: to grab that job earlier than most of us learned
Speaker 1: and understood. And look, I will say, there are still
Speaker 1: moments that you're kind of a little bit nervous. He
Speaker 1: makes some throws, some decisions that are very risky, but
Speaker 1: ultimately he's been very, very good. And he was picked
Speaker 1: by most media preseason prognostications as among if not the
Speaker 1: worst quarterback in this league, and by most metrics, he's
Speaker 1: either the best or one of the top two or three.
Speaker 1: What stood out most to you about the way Jake
Speaker 1: has played this year, I.
Speaker 11: Think, I mean, going back to what he said about
Speaker 11: you know, maybe the word being that there wasn't a
Speaker 11: B competition, I would I don't know how true that.
Speaker 11: I mean, I know that's what they were saying, that's
Speaker 11: what you know, uh, maybe was coming out of provo,
Speaker 11: But there's always a QB competition, especially when you know
Speaker 11: you got somebody like Gary Bohannon, who's a Big twelve
Speaker 11: player of the year, kind of waiting in the wings,
Speaker 11: right and so, uh, you know, when Jake struggled against SMU,
Speaker 11: it would have been easy for him to maybe second
Speaker 11: guess himself. Uh, maybe hesitate and and and and maybe
Speaker 11: get into his head a little bit, only because he
Speaker 11: knows somebody he's on a short lease, he knows somebody's
Speaker 11: waiting to take his spot. He has the entire country
Speaker 11: basically criticizing him, the entire BAU fan base criticizing, you know,
Speaker 11: the move to play him and to start him when
Speaker 11: you got somebody like Gary waiting in the wings, and
Speaker 11: for him to come back against Wyoming and answer the
Speaker 11: call and then from that point on continue to answer
Speaker 11: the call, you know, just says a lot about his
Speaker 11: character and his swagger. Right. I do think the fact
Speaker 11: that a Rod has been able to use his legs
Speaker 11: a little bit has maybe freed up his mind. You know,
Speaker 11: sometimes sometimes you got to do things like that get
Speaker 11: get a player maybe in his natural habitat in creating plays,
Speaker 11: to kind of get out of the whole, you know,
Speaker 11: being technical, standing in the pocket and expected to make
Speaker 11: every single read, every single throw, and just being able
Speaker 11: to have that backup plan of creating on with his legs,
Speaker 11: I think is freed up as you know, his mind
Speaker 11: a little bit allowed him to play a little bit
Speaker 11: more to his natural ability and you know, continue to
Speaker 11: gain confidence right right now. Where he's that confidence wise,
Speaker 11: you know, it's through the roof. You can tell in
Speaker 11: the way that he plays he's not thinking nearly as
Speaker 11: much and not doubting his throws or not second guessing,
Speaker 11: and like I said, you know, creating his plays, you know,
Speaker 11: with his legs is another facet that the defenses like Utah
Speaker 11: has to prepare for and that eventually is going to
Speaker 11: open up the passing year.
Speaker 1: All right, buddy, before I set you loose, I've asked
Speaker 1: all my guests all week. You don't have to give
Speaker 1: you one if you don't want to. There's no pressure here.
Speaker 1: But what's your gut? Tell you what goes down on Saturday.
Speaker 1: If you want to throw out your score prediction, please
Speaker 1: feel free to do so.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I would love to tell you that we're gonna
Speaker 11: dog walk them right out of right cycles, but don't.
Speaker 11: I don't think that's gonna happen. I think, like I said,
Speaker 11: this game is always decided by a small margin of victory.
Speaker 11: And and uh, I think it's gonna be something like
Speaker 11: a twenty one twenty four outing.
Speaker 2: Well, that should make for a fun Saturday.
Speaker 1: Well, of course, if you just picked Utah, you just
Speaker 1: made a little news. I assume you were going blue.
Speaker 1: Are are you rolling up here for the game? You're
Speaker 1: gonna be here on Saturday?
Speaker 11: No, I should be doing like the BAU Sports Nation
Speaker 11: pregame and postgame show, so I'll be out of pro
Speaker 11: vote at broadcast.
Speaker 2: Consider well, I really know right.
Speaker 1: On, really appreciate your time, buddies, So enjoy the week.
Speaker 1: It's always a fun one.
Speaker 11: Okay, all right, brother, you too have a great one.
Speaker 2: Austin coley Man was he a player both at Bring
Speaker 2: him Young, then in the NFL and unfortunately his career
Speaker 2: cut short with concussions. But he's a sweet guy. I
Speaker 2: know you fans don't like him. I've known him for years.
Speaker 2: He's good people.
Speaker 1: So all right, coming up after we say good night,
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Speaker 1: Let you start from this standpoint as a local boy,
Speaker 1: how does this week hit you when you hear it's
Speaker 1: time for Utah b YU football?
Speaker 5: Well, as a as a as a youngster, I grew
Speaker 5: up as a as a huge b y U fan.
Speaker 5: Now you got to remember I grew up in the
Speaker 5: in the in the b YU era of Jim McMahon,
Speaker 5: Steve Young, Robbie Bosco and uh Ty Depver. So those
Speaker 5: those were some big years for me to watch football,
Speaker 5: and I can remember. I can remember all the games
Speaker 5: since I remember being old enough to even watch. And
Speaker 5: I think that with the exception of a couple of
Speaker 5: runs with the youths and a couple of runs with
Speaker 5: or one run with b YU, it's been fairly even
Speaker 5: throughout the years and just a fun It's a fun beat.
Speaker 5: I love how everybody's bursting in the seams to pump
Speaker 5: out their chests and uh, you know, I know people
Speaker 5: get a little bit upset about the verbiage and the
Speaker 5: words and the vitriol that takes place, but I I
Speaker 5: think rivalries are healthy and I think they're really fun.
Speaker 5: And I think it's a fun week every year when
Speaker 5: when when we get the CB y U and.
Speaker 2: Up player see, I'm with you. I love this week.
Speaker 2: I always have.
Speaker 1: And I never played for a paycheck, but you know,
Speaker 1: I was part of a couple of really fun high
Speaker 1: school rivalry game situations and I always love that anticipation.
Speaker 2: Take me into your experience.
Speaker 1: As a player wherever you played, because you played in
Speaker 1: a number of different schools, played at a high level.
Speaker 1: When you knew that that week you were playing your rival,
Speaker 1: what's the energy like what's the what's the week like?
Speaker 2: Is it tough to sleep?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 2: What's it like for these players this week?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: I think I was fortunate in some of my rivalry
Speaker 5: games that that my coaches didn't make too big of
Speaker 5: a deal of it. But I think the thing that
Speaker 5: I could say about each rivalry game that I played
Speaker 5: in is that you don't have any trouble getting fired
Speaker 5: up for the game you're You don't have a lot
Speaker 5: of trouble focused. I think you have a little bit
Speaker 5: of inpatience for teammates that aren't dialed in, and that
Speaker 5: quickly gets fixed. And I think that's why sometimes when
Speaker 5: you see a rivalry game and you know, the youth
Speaker 5: by all intents and purposes, have not had the year
Speaker 5: that they were hoping or thinking they would have, you
Speaker 5: and BYU is having a year that maybe they didn't
Speaker 5: think they were going to have. Maybe internally they did,
Speaker 5: but a lot of fans didn't think they.
Speaker 4: Were going to have.
Speaker 5: The youths right now are going to be motivated and
Speaker 5: they're going to be ready to play. And I think
Speaker 5: that's why sometimes when there's a discrepancy between records, the
Speaker 5: game becomes a lot closer because it's just not tough
Speaker 5: to get motivated during a rivalry week.
Speaker 1: So ultimately, there really isn't any data available to indicate Utah's.
Speaker 2: Better than BYU. It does not exist.
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the records. If you dig
Speaker 1: into the numbers and the stats, there are a few
Speaker 1: metrics that ind k Utah's defense is better than BYUS.
Speaker 1: But for every metric if you find on defense, you
Speaker 1: can find a couple of other metrics. Defensively, BYUS better
Speaker 1: at getting to the quarterback, they're better at forcing turnovers,
Speaker 1: they're better at causing havoc plays.
Speaker 2: So there's no data.
Speaker 1: Available to give a youth fan, you know, hope that
Speaker 1: their team could win this game coming up. However, as
Speaker 1: you just outlined, and as we've talked about all week,
Speaker 1: the bizarre nature of the game leads to chaotic situations
Speaker 1: often times. Now I saw your tweets and I want
Speaker 1: to dig into them. Now you send out a tweet
Speaker 1: highlighting the good in Utah's offense. I was impressed you
Speaker 1: found some because there has not been a lot. Now
Speaker 1: in your video breakdown, you have Isaac starting. I believe
Speaker 1: it's going to be Brandon. However, conceptually, let's dig into it.
Speaker 1: There's a new play caller. It's Mike Pajaking. We've only
Speaker 1: seen one game, but from your eye is somebody who's
Speaker 1: played the quarterback position. What can you share with you
Speaker 1: fan about the things offensively that you uncovered that actually
Speaker 1: are positive?
Speaker 5: Well, so so there, I'm not I'm not saying they
Speaker 5: have any inside source on who's going to start it
Speaker 5: all because they don't. Just looking through the video, and
Speaker 5: granted I don't have as as much video on mister
Speaker 5: Rose as I do on on Isaac Wilson, I still
Speaker 5: think that Isaac gives them the best chance to win. Now,
Speaker 5: if that may not be right, that may not be
Speaker 5: what they observe in practice, but I think when I
Speaker 5: when I dug into the video, I'm seeing a young
Speaker 5: man who's stilling a lot of pressure to make a
Speaker 5: lot of plays. And what I would like to see
Speaker 5: is I would like to see the offensive line for
Speaker 5: the University of Taught played better. I think they've shown
Speaker 5: that they can make some scenes in the run game.
Speaker 5: There's been a lot of confusion this year, and there's
Speaker 5: been a lot of just different different places this year
Speaker 5: where I've seen that they've not protected very well, and
Speaker 5: they haven't done a good job of I'm going with
Speaker 5: the running back to protect the quarterback. When Isaac Wilson
Speaker 5: is protected, he can get the ball downfield and he
Speaker 5: can make some throws.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 5: Granted, I will say in the Houston game he missed
Speaker 5: five six eight throws that I don't think it takes
Speaker 5: a rocket scientist to figure out that he'd lost some
Speaker 5: confidence and he's lost a little bit of his futzbuh
Speaker 5: from the beginning of the year. But I do think
Speaker 5: that if they can get the running game going, if
Speaker 5: they can get some special teams field position stuff going,
Speaker 5: and they're able to use some play action and sure
Speaker 5: up some of their protection problems, I do think that
Speaker 5: Isaac can throw the ball, and I do think that
Speaker 5: they could use play action because I actually, I actually
Speaker 5: think that they can have a great run game if
Speaker 5: they clean that up a little bit as well. But
Speaker 5: I think it hinges more on the offensive line than
Speaker 5: who's playing a quarterback.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, it's exactly what I wanted
Speaker 1: to follow up because based off your video breakdown, from
Speaker 1: my vantage point, it has been far.
Speaker 2: From the weakness. There's been more good than bad.
Speaker 1: Now I cannot cooperate any of the rumors concerning the health,
Speaker 1: but there are some rumors that Utah could be down
Speaker 1: a couple of on linemen.
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1: But during your video study, what stood out most to
Speaker 1: you about the play of the old line?
Speaker 5: So in the old line, what's been a problem for
Speaker 5: me has been the center and the guards. And that's
Speaker 5: a tricky part of the oppensive line because there's constantly
Speaker 5: some communication that needs to take place that says, Okay,
Speaker 5: the center and the guard are going to go left,
Speaker 5: this guy on the right is going to go to
Speaker 5: the right. There's always kind of a triangle of defense
Speaker 5: right in the middle there, and they've miscommunicated quite a
Speaker 5: few times. When they communicate correctly and they go to
Speaker 5: the right place, they're great blockers and they're doing a
Speaker 5: great thing. But there's been numerous times, as I've dug
Speaker 5: deep into the video, where I feel like there's been
Speaker 5: some confusion there. And I don't know exactly how University
Speaker 5: Utah calls their protections. I don't know if that's then
Speaker 5: if it's the quarterback calling the protections, if it's the
Speaker 5: center calling the protections. Usually it's one of those two.
Speaker 5: But to me, it's just been too inconsistent. And when you.
Speaker 6: Constantly have a guy in your face when.
Speaker 5: You're throwing the ball, it makes it difficult to throw
Speaker 5: the ball down shield. When they've been able to do it,
Speaker 5: they've they've been really good, and they've been able to
Speaker 5: get behind some defenses, and they've done some good things.
Speaker 5: Now I think really good, I'm thinking good on those
Speaker 5: high plated incidences.
Speaker 6: They haven't.
Speaker 5: What's been frustrated with the University Utah offense is not
Speaker 5: being able to stream together two and three drives a game.
Speaker 5: It's all been kind of big plays or no plays.
Speaker 1: So on the other side of things, you also did
Speaker 1: a video breakdown of Utah's defense, and most of the
Speaker 1: metrics for Utah's defense they're very good, including number one
Speaker 1: of the conference in average yards allowed. And I will
Speaker 1: not bore my audience by just running down all their
Speaker 1: defensive numbers.
Speaker 2: I'd say that the meat and potatoes of defensive.
Speaker 1: Football, Utah is still probably a top three or four
Speaker 1: defense in the conference. What they haven't done well, and
Speaker 1: you're gonna walk us through this, is they have not
Speaker 1: got to the quarterback and they have not forced turnovers.
Speaker 1: They're last in the conference in fumbles recovered. I think
Speaker 1: at last check they were twelfth maybe in sacks. So
Speaker 1: the things that Utah typically does well on defense, they're
Speaker 1: not necessarily doing well yet. But you also did a
Speaker 1: video breakdown of Morgan's defense, so let's dig into that.
Speaker 1: What should you fans know about what you were able
Speaker 1: to uncover? That should give them some confidence that they
Speaker 1: can slow down one of the top two or three
Speaker 1: scoring offenses in the Big Twelve.
Speaker 5: So one of the things that I mean, obviously I've
Speaker 5: had a lot of respect for Morgan's defense in the past.
Speaker 5: You still have a lot of respect for it. What
Speaker 5: I would like to see them do a little bit
Speaker 5: more of There's been some really really good playing during
Speaker 5: the year where they're just playing fundamental defense, but coming
Speaker 5: out in a man demand defense with a free safety,
Speaker 5: they call a Cover one and they just play it
Speaker 5: really really tough, or they come out and they play
Speaker 5: Cover Q and they just play really really fundamentally sound defense.
Speaker 5: What I'd like to see them do is trying to
Speaker 5: confuse quarterbacks, try and confuse people in the run game
Speaker 5: a little bit, because when they've done it on the breakdown,
Speaker 5: that I sent to you and that you observe. When
Speaker 5: they run blitch and when they do some things to
Speaker 5: confuse the offensive line, they're especially especially efficient. And if
Speaker 5: they can make teams one dimensional, which has always been
Speaker 5: the calling card of Morgan Scalley and of Kyle Winningham,
Speaker 5: is to take away the run game and then really
Speaker 5: be able to pin their ears back. I think you
Speaker 5: can see them get some pressure on the quarterback. The
Speaker 5: problem has been that they don't have enough consistency on
Speaker 5: the passing downs on getting to the quarterback. With just
Speaker 5: four they've had to bring pressure and that's always frustrating
Speaker 5: through a defense coordinator if they have to bring more
Speaker 5: than four guys to get pressure on the quarterback, because
Speaker 5: then you're giving yourself one on one matchups in the backfield.
Speaker 5: It can be a little bit a little bit difficult.
Speaker 5: They're a little bit more scary than if you can
Speaker 5: get pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 6: What's for all?
Speaker 1: Right, So let's go over now to the other side
Speaker 1: of things and talk about what Brigham Young has been
Speaker 1: able to do. And Jake Rahetzoff got the ball four
Speaker 1: times last year, lost all four starts, and he wins
Speaker 1: the job coming out of camp, and if we're honest,
Speaker 1: it didn't look great early. And if we're honest, there
Speaker 1: are still moments during every game where he makes some
Speaker 1: throws that he gets away with. But you can't take
Speaker 1: anything away from the way he's played as they're undefeated
Speaker 1: and by most metrics he's one of the top two
Speaker 1: or three quarterbacks in the league. So what stood out
Speaker 1: most to you about this eight and zer start and
Speaker 1: the play of BYU's quarterback Jake Rhetzoff.
Speaker 5: So getting better and better and better at being a
Speaker 5: strong armed quarterback that just takes what the defense gives him.
Speaker 5: He's doing a good job pre and post snap of
Speaker 5: reading the defense. And what I love about him later
Speaker 5: in the season that I didn't like as much at
Speaker 5: the first of the season is he's not afraid to
Speaker 5: check it down to one of his running backs. He's
Speaker 5: not afraid to check it down to someone who is
Speaker 5: wide open instead of trying to force the ball downfield.
Speaker 5: He's also particularly strong. He has eighteen touchdowns and seven
Speaker 5: interceptions on the year, but eleven of his touchdowns are
Speaker 5: in the red zone with zero interceptions, and typically when
Speaker 5: you're in the red zone, the space to throw the
Speaker 5: ball and the amount of time that you have to
Speaker 5: the ball gets a lot smaller. And so that's a
Speaker 5: really really impressive stat to me. He's doing a great
Speaker 5: job of taking care of the football there, and I
Speaker 5: think he's just doing a good job. He can make
Speaker 5: all the throws. There's some footwork that makes him like
Speaker 5: airmail a couple of passes here and there. But what
Speaker 5: I like about him is the reads are correct right now.
Speaker 5: So even when he does make a bath row, the
Speaker 5: read is correct. And that's a lot easier to fix
Speaker 5: as a quarterbacks coach or an offensive coordinator than it
Speaker 5: is to try and fix the mentality or to fix
Speaker 5: where I want you throwing the ball. It's a lot
Speaker 5: easier to fix the accuracy with footwork or with some
Speaker 5: consistency in practice.
Speaker 1: So I read a couple of stats about BYU's defense
Speaker 1: that kind of blew me away. They're plus eighteen in
Speaker 1: turnover margin, that's six in the country. They have fourteen picks,
Speaker 1: that's third in the country. Rightley, they've outscored opponents sixty
Speaker 1: nine to ten.
Speaker 2: Off of turnovers.
Speaker 1: Okay, so at some point, isn't there some regression to
Speaker 1: the meme?
Speaker 2: I mean that seems to be.
Speaker 1: And obviously that's the way Kyle Whittingham wants to coach football,
Speaker 1: right and that's the way Killanne and Jay cut their
Speaker 1: teeth under coach Wait. As I've been saying now for
Speaker 1: a while, it's almost like Kilani is taking Kyle's script
Speaker 1: and out utah utah. Right now, what stands out most
Speaker 1: about what they've done on that side of.
Speaker 5: The ball, no question about it. Look, I've been around
Speaker 5: I've been around Jay Hill for a long time at
Speaker 5: Weaver State, and there's not a ton of people that
Speaker 5: are watching Weaver State football. I think that Jay Hill
Speaker 5: is one of the best defensive coordinators in the country
Speaker 5: at making halftime adjustments. I've never seen a guy that
Speaker 5: is more cool, calm and collected at knowing exactly what
Speaker 5: he needs to do to make adjustments at halftime. The
Speaker 5: other thing that he does so well, and this is
Speaker 5: what I was talking about with Morgan, and I've seen
Speaker 5: more to do it in the past, and maybe he
Speaker 5: just doesn't have as much confidence in his defense this
Speaker 5: year to do it is i'd like to see. I
Speaker 5: like what I see out of the BIU defense because
Speaker 5: not only are they trying to confuse the offensive line
Speaker 5: when it comes to the run game, but in the
Speaker 5: passing game, they're doing all different kinds of looks. They'll
Speaker 5: start in to cover one and move to cover two.
Speaker 5: They'll start in to cover two and go to a
Speaker 5: Tampa two, and they'll start to cover three and roll
Speaker 5: to a Cover two. Those are all big fancy words
Speaker 5: for they're trying to make the offensive line, the quarterback,
Speaker 5: and the wide receivers hesitate for just a minute. And
Speaker 5: as the old phrase goes that my dad used to
Speaker 5: something when I was eight years old, he who hesitates
Speaker 5: is lost. And if you hesitate for just a minute
Speaker 5: in the passing games, or if you're just looking at
Speaker 5: it a little bit longer to be sure, that leads
Speaker 5: to turnovers. And that's why they've been able to turn
Speaker 5: people over fourteen interceptions. They have turnovers that it doesn't
Speaker 5: surprise me at all that they're six in the country.
Speaker 5: And this hasn't been a defense that at certain points
Speaker 5: during the year they've won games. I mean the SMU games,
Speaker 5: they've won that game for them flat out. They just
Speaker 5: won the game for them. Now, there's been some games
Speaker 5: that haven't been as good, like the Oklahoma State games
Speaker 5: and that's where the offense got to step up, and
Speaker 5: that's where I think there's a lot of momentup for REYUS.
Speaker 5: They've been making plays in special teams, offense and defense,
Speaker 5: and that makes it really really fun and helps the
Speaker 5: team to come together to play good football. Why use
Speaker 5: a good football teams? And everywhere I look, I'm seeing
Speaker 5: the evidence and the fingerprints of really really good football,
Speaker 5: including a quarterback, including on defense, and including the special teams.
Speaker 1: All right, Riley, with a couple of minutes we have left,
Speaker 1: here's what we'll do. Let's start with dissecting and just
Speaker 1: kind of out, you know, laying out at BYU win.
Speaker 2: What does it look like on Saturday?
Speaker 1: It opened up as a five point spread, Vegas typically
Speaker 1: building three for the home field. So that's Vegas saying
Speaker 1: they believe BYU is about a touchdown a little more
Speaker 1: better than Utah. This spreads down to three and a half.
Speaker 1: It's a rivalry game. We'll get to the Utah side
Speaker 1: in a moment. But how does BYU roll in the
Speaker 1: salt A can beat Utah on Saturday night?
Speaker 2: What does that look like?
Speaker 5: So they make the University of Utah one dimensional, They
Speaker 5: take away the run, game, they make them pass the ball.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter whether it's Rose or whether it's Wilson,
Speaker 5: either one of the those guys are particularly confident right
Speaker 5: now in the passing game. And then they get a
Speaker 5: couple of cheap turnovers, either through a fumble on a
Speaker 5: sack fumble type thing they or they get an interception,
Speaker 5: and then offensively they continue to take care of the
Speaker 5: football and rest Lap doesn't make any major turnovers in
Speaker 5: the red zone like he's done all year. And if
Speaker 5: they do that, I think you see b or you
Speaker 5: win by two touchdowns or more. At the University of
Speaker 5: Utah this weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 1: As we get closer and closer, I've got a lot
Speaker 1: of yout friends that are downright nervous, some who are
Speaker 1: not even attending. But as we know throughout the course
Speaker 1: of I grew up in this rivalry.
Speaker 2: I went to school at Utah.
Speaker 1: I've been in the media now full time for eighteen
Speaker 1: years total, just over twenty so I've covered these things.
Speaker 1: I've been to them, and it's very rare that I
Speaker 1: approach this game with a finite statement about what's going
Speaker 1: to happen, because I have just seen chaos all the
Speaker 1: way around. You can fake you can fake a lot
Speaker 1: of things. You can't fake desperation. And if Utah doesn't
Speaker 1: come out and play with desperation, I agree with you,
Speaker 1: they could get cooked.
Speaker 2: But on the other side, it feels like if Utah.
Speaker 1: Is gonna win it, this is just mean that I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you the space force set you lose.
Speaker 2: It's like seventeen fourteen.
Speaker 1: You know they are able to run it a little bit,
Speaker 1: control the clock, stay clean, don't turn it over. I
Speaker 1: don't have any confidence in this offense to score more
Speaker 1: than twenty one twenty four points. They haven't done it
Speaker 1: against a P four team this year. So on the
Speaker 1: other side, what does a Utah football upset win look
Speaker 1: like on Saturday Night?
Speaker 5: So I think in some way or another they got
Speaker 5: to win special teams. There has to be some sort
Speaker 5: of either just filled position that they're winning quite a bit,
Speaker 5: or some sort of a fake, some sort of a
Speaker 5: big play from special teams, which that had been a
Speaker 5: hallmart of Kyle winning an teams. But it feels like
Speaker 5: in the last couple of years that hasn't been as
Speaker 5: a good as it has been in the past. It
Speaker 5: doesn't mean that it can't be, but it just it
Speaker 5: doesn't feel quite as dialed in. I think defensively, they've
Speaker 5: got to figure out a way to get pressure on
Speaker 5: reds Lap with just four They can't allow him to
Speaker 5: throw one on one matchups because he's really good when
Speaker 5: he knows that he just has to pick a matchup
Speaker 5: and throw it. And then I think defensively they've got
Speaker 5: to figure out a way to get turnovers as well.
Speaker 5: Like like you said, they're playing good defense. The metrics
Speaker 5: are really good. They've got to get a couple of
Speaker 5: turnovers and a couple of short fields for this offense
Speaker 5: to either get field goals or touchdowns because of what
Speaker 5: they've done defensively. And I think, I think, listen, I
Speaker 5: know I just said. On the other hand, you were
Speaker 5: asked me what it would take for BYU to win.
Speaker 5: I think if all goes well for b are you
Speaker 5: with they win by fourteen. I think this is more
Speaker 5: closer to the lines that's being drawn. I think this
Speaker 5: is a twenty one seventeen game. I think this is
Speaker 5: a twenty four to fourteen game. I think this is
Speaker 5: a and that could be either way. I just think
Speaker 5: the University Utah is going to have a little bit
Speaker 5: of extra in him. Kyle Winningham's always been tough on
Speaker 5: a bye week. I know both of around bye weeks,
Speaker 5: but Kyle's tough on bye weeks, and it's mostly because
Speaker 5: they go back to the fundamentals and they have a
Speaker 5: little bit of time to take a deep breath and
Speaker 5: figure out what's going on offensively and defensively.
Speaker 1: Riley, you demand tell everybody where they can go find
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Speaker 5: you can find me there at Riley Jensen, and there's
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Speaker 5: can get a hold of me.
Speaker 1: All right, brother, I appreciate the time during a fun
Speaker 1: week and stay safe and reach out if I can
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Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, happy ride every week.
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Speaker 1: So the show is going on live right now. The
Speaker 1: first CFP rankings are going on live right now, and
Speaker 1: as they kind of unfold a little bit.
Speaker 2: We'll bring them to you.
Speaker 1: Typically, if I'm in studio, we can bring them to
Speaker 1: you live VR feed, but I'm not in studio. So
Speaker 1: of course the big question around here is now a
Speaker 1: couple of things to dig in. Okay, I was talking
Speaker 1: to Scott Mitchell about this earlier, little confusion. So these
Speaker 1: rankings are not the seedings for the twelve team bracket. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not how this works. So if you see BYU
Speaker 1: come in tonight, my guess is going to be between
Speaker 1: seven and nine. They're still in play for a top
Speaker 1: four seed as a result of winning the Big twelve
Speaker 1: and the top five conference champs get the top five seeds.
Speaker 1: Now only the top four conference champs get the top
Speaker 1: four seeds. Hence Brigham Young most likely will be the
Speaker 1: fourth ranked conference champ, as the projections right now indicate,
Speaker 1: so they should be the four seed when the bracket
Speaker 1: is revealed, but they will not be the fourth ranked
Speaker 1: team in the country tonight, not even close to it. Okay,
Speaker 1: so keep that in mind. As these kind of comes
Speaker 1: filling in, we'll bring them to you. So twenty five
Speaker 1: is Army undefeated, eight and O twenty four is Missouri
Speaker 1: Clemson down to twenty three, Louisville at twenty two, Washington
Speaker 1: State at twenty one, in Colorado at twenty.
Speaker 2: So they're your first five that have been released as
Speaker 2: of now.
Speaker 1: Again, my guess is BYU is probably gonna roll in
Speaker 1: between seven and nine. You know, it'd be interesting to
Speaker 1: see there are still four unbeaten teams and in P
Speaker 1: four football five unbut beaten teams. Overall the aforementioned Army
Speaker 1: situation where they're unbeaten and they're now in the top
Speaker 1: twenty five.
Speaker 2: This also will indicate.
Speaker 1: The essentially the death of the A people after today,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, I mean, we'll still pull it up
Speaker 1: for frame of reference to see if we can draw
Speaker 1: any parallels. I anticipate Oregon, of course, will be the
Speaker 1: number one team in a country Georgia, Ohio State. Then
Speaker 1: it gets interesting. Miami's undefeated. Does the committee value what
Speaker 1: they've done with some close calls and maybe not the
Speaker 1: great best strength of schedule, They're probably gonna be a
Speaker 1: top five team, Texas will be a top five team.
Speaker 2: And then it gets interesting. Penn State they got.
Speaker 1: A loss, they got got obviously. Tennessee has a Bama win,
Speaker 1: but they got got too. Indiana is undefeated and they're
Speaker 1: technically in the AP ahead of BYU, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised. BYU has a better strength of record than
Speaker 1: Indiana with a couple of top twenty five wins that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised to see BYU.
Speaker 2: At eight in Indiana at nine.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has bounced back, but they have that NIU
Speaker 1: loss at home. NIU has lost four games since beat
Speaker 1: Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: What do they do with the two loss Bama?
Speaker 1: And it does bring in Boise State and even SMU
Speaker 1: into the equation a little bit. I think Texas A
Speaker 1: and M with our second loss had dropped out LSU
Speaker 1: in addition to that Iowa State. What happens with the
Speaker 1: rest of the Big twelve only time will tell. But
Speaker 1: again reminder, the rankings are not a direct reflection of
Speaker 1: the seeding. So the top five teams it is the
Speaker 1: top five conference champs to get the.
Speaker 2: Top five seeds.
Speaker 1: The top four get buys and then teams five through
Speaker 1: eight actually host the first round of the CFP.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting if your BYU.
Speaker 1: This isn't going to happen because the only way it
Speaker 1: will happen is if Boise State somehow is ranked ahead
Speaker 1: of them. But would you want to be the fifth
Speaker 1: conference champ in the seedings and therefore host a playoff
Speaker 1: game at Lavelle Edwards Stadium. Some more rankings coming in.
Speaker 1: Kansas State is at nineteen, Pick comes in at eighteen.
Speaker 1: Iowa State, as we talked about there at seventeen. That's
Speaker 1: down from where I thought they would be a week ago.
Speaker 1: Old Miss at sixteen, LSU at fifteen. Like I said,
Speaker 1: it does feel like they're kind of out of the mix.
Speaker 1: So as these things come spilling in, we will bring
Speaker 1: them to you as far as how the program kind
Speaker 1: of unfolds. We started the show off today with Tim McMahon.
Speaker 1: We did a little Utah Jazz shout out to the Jazz.
Speaker 1: They got their first win of the season. They're gonna
Speaker 1: try to do it again against Milwaukee coming up tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee won in six no. Chris Middleton, so we did
Speaker 1: a little basketball on the show. Scott Mitchell rolled by
Speaker 1: Live on site. I thought the Scott stuff was interesting
Speaker 1: today because Scott, you know, regardless of what he did
Speaker 1: in pro football and he had a very long, nice
Speaker 1: career and made a lot of money, Scott Mitchell is
Speaker 1: a legend at Utah and the main reason is what
Speaker 1: he did to BRU in nineteen eighty eight with that
Speaker 1: dominant win. So we kind of talked to Scott a
Speaker 1: little bit about what I perceived to be the last
Speaker 1: opportunity for these Utah football players to kind of step
Speaker 1: up in front of the community and be great for
Speaker 1: one day. If you're if you're great for one day
Speaker 1: against BYU, you're remembered differently, then you know.
Speaker 2: What you would be otherwise.
Speaker 1: Now there's no coming back from the fact that the
Speaker 1: season is not and will not manifest itself in the
Speaker 1: way that we all thought.
Speaker 7: You.
Speaker 1: Bottom line, have lost four straight games. You're not in
Speaker 1: the mix for a Big twelve championship. You're not in
Speaker 1: the mix for a CFP. As I continue to say
Speaker 1: all week long, the only thing worse than playing in
Speaker 1: a throwaway bowl game is not being eligible to play
Speaker 1: in one. And if Utah doesn't win on Saturday, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they're going bawling. The line has moved a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but it has stayed somewhat steady, steadier
Speaker 1: than I actually thought it would. BYU opened up as
Speaker 1: a five point favorite, the line moved pretty quick towards Utah,
Speaker 1: and BYU remained a four point favorite for nearly two
Speaker 1: full days, and then this morning it moved one more
Speaker 1: time towards Utah and right now by you as a
Speaker 1: three point five point favorite over the Utes. The over
Speaker 1: under has come down a little bit too forty point five,
Speaker 1: telling you that anybody who's taking Utah to win the
Speaker 1: game believes that it's going to be a low scoring game.
Speaker 2: And I suppose that's the only thing you could.
Speaker 1: Believe, because this is an offense that hasn't even scored
Speaker 1: twenty four points against the PF opponents. They've had two
Speaker 1: really good offensive games. One was Southern Utah, the other
Speaker 1: was Utah State. They had a good first half against
Speaker 1: Baylor because that's because Cameron Rising was under center, and
Speaker 1: since then it has been anemic. Both Scott and I
Speaker 1: are of the same mind mindset when it comes to
Speaker 1: the quarterback. I just, you know, listening to coach Wit
Speaker 1: and then yesterday, Brandon Rose was made available to the media.
Speaker 1: Brandon Rose to me, talk like a player that's starting
Speaker 1: the game on Saturday night.
Speaker 2: That's not a report. I have no clue, of course,
Speaker 2: where I'm going to learn.
Speaker 1: At the same time, the rest of you do as
Speaker 1: it pertains to when we will learn who is under quarterback.
Speaker 1: I think it's simply going to be as soon as
Speaker 1: they run out on the field for their first offensive possession.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Kyle Winningham on the show tomorrow. We
Speaker 1: had Claudie sa talking on the show today, and so
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can gleam any information at all
Speaker 1: how healthy Utah is coming into the game. There are
Speaker 1: some rumors potentially about the offensive line being a bit
Speaker 1: banged up. But yeah, I mean, I do try to
Speaker 1: learn stories here there from the Vegas line and what
Speaker 1: it tells us and what it's telling us right now
Speaker 1: that anybody who is picking Utah to beat BYU believes
Speaker 1: this is going to be like a thirteen, ten, seventeen
Speaker 1: to fourteen type of football game. All right, So as
Speaker 1: these rankings continue to spill in, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: gonna be on air for the entire thing because they're
Speaker 1: gonna milk their breaks because obviously this is a big, big,
Speaker 1: big get A BYU comes in at number nine?
Speaker 2: Porter, Is that what I heard you say?
Speaker 4: Correct?
Speaker 2: Just comes back?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: I thought they'd be seventh through nine, like I said.
Speaker 1: But let me reiterate before we start to lose our
Speaker 1: minds about BYU being disrespected in the whole inferiority.
Speaker 2: And all that stuff.
Speaker 1: This is simply not This is simply not a scenario
Speaker 1: where the ranking equates to the seating for the bracket
Speaker 1: of the twelve team CFP. BYU at number nine, as
Speaker 1: far as these rankings, still indicates they're in the driver's
Speaker 1: seat to win the Big twelve, and if they do,
Speaker 1: they're probably gonna be the number four seed with a
Speaker 1: buy in the first round of the CFP. All right,
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Speaker 1: of segments ago. Today tonight the first edition of the
Speaker 1: CFP rankings in the projected bracket. So as we talked about,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make sure that I get ahead
Speaker 1: of the BYU fans are gonna.
Speaker 2: Be crying crocodile tiers.
Speaker 1: The rankings are not the seeding, so BYU comes in
Speaker 1: at number nine, but they're still slotted in the fourth
Speaker 1: seed to have a first round by and according to
Speaker 1: the first CFP bracket, BYU would play the winner of
Speaker 1: Ohio State and Boise States. Ohio State comes in at two,
Speaker 1: where they're not projected to be a conference champ, so
Speaker 1: they slide down to the fifth seed. BYU is both
Speaker 1: excuse me, Boise State is both ranked twelfth, and they
Speaker 1: would be the twelfth seed and the winner of that
Speaker 1: game would advance to play BYU Oregon.
Speaker 2: Is your number one team.
Speaker 1: No surprise, they are slotted to play the winner of
Speaker 1: Tennessee and Indiana. Texas is slotted to host Alabama round one.
Speaker 1: The winner of that game plays Miami Notre Dame. Penn
Speaker 1: State slotted to play in round one. The winner of
Speaker 1: that game plays Georgia, who is the three seed as
Speaker 1: of today. So there you go, all right, Porter, Before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, we're back in studio I
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Speaker 2: What should our listeners know about it?
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Speaker 10: we'll chat with Neil Smith. We'll take care of our
Speaker 10: other folks, our soccer and our hockey friends, and then
Speaker 10: we're right back to it. Spencer Lynn for our BYU side,
Speaker 10: and then the head ball coach Kyle Whittingham on a
Speaker 10: Wednesday show just a few days ahead of the rivalry game.
Speaker 2: There you go. So it'll be a fun Wednesday show.
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