WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.880 --> 00:00:07.879 I'm just Jackson jewis Well. Of course, l fifteen leads 2 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:13.359 Meet Pays with Gina Towns. Yeah. He was our creator 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:16.800 and producer of The Jesse Jackson Junior Show, president and 4 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:21.359 CEO of five nineteen Productions, and the executive producer, creative 5 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:23.800 director and program director of The Jesse Jackson Junior Show 6 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:27.160 on Smiley Audio Media's Kblate doc fifteen to eighty. She 7 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:30.760 is also the host of Reflectivity on my weekly series 8 00:00:30.800 --> 00:00:33.479 Fat Meat Fridays. She's a graduate of Hampton University with 9 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:36.840 the Bachelor of Arts in Mass Communication and Arts. Gina 10 00:00:36.880 --> 00:00:39.200 has also earned her Masters of Arts in Theology and 11 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:43.960 Social Justice from Princeton Theological Seminary. She co produced the 12 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.560 Emmy Award nominated and documentary documentary Hampton University One of 13 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:50.799 the Wonders of the World, and as a songwriter, co 14 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:54.840 producer and performer, her single Yes hit number twenty six 15 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:57.719 with a billet on the Billboard. Gina, Welcome forward to 16 00:00:57.719 --> 00:00:59.920 The Jesse Jackson Junior Show, Fat Meat Fridays and the 17 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:07.159 j Lunch Club. Thank God it is Friday. That Friday. 18 00:01:07.200 --> 00:01:10.439 It's almost as if we talked just last week. It 19 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:15.239 feels like a continuation the weeks are moving very very quickly. 20 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:21.640 Well, time is moving swiftly. I don't know if January 21 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:23.400 has ever gone this fast. 22 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:27.040 It's really really something. It's also a slog when one 23 00:01:27.040 --> 00:01:31.159 considers all of the politics that's taking place. Gina, your 24 00:01:31.200 --> 00:01:33.599 thoughts on the roundup of our week here on the 25 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:34.920 Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 26 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:40.200 Well, going all the way back to last week, Really, 27 00:01:41.400 --> 00:01:46.920 I have had a great time, maybe more so than 28 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:49.560 I have in a while, because you know what they say, 29 00:01:49.599 --> 00:01:52.439 you don't appreciate, you don't know what you got till 30 00:01:52.480 --> 00:01:59.719 it's gone. And our show has decidedly taken on a 31 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.959 lot of Martin Luther King. We spent more than his 32 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:09.199 birthday or even the national holiday recognition of his birthday. 33 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.000 I mean decidedly every day. I asked you and our 34 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.639 guests to focus on Martin Luther King, and you have 35 00:02:17.719 --> 00:02:22.159 done a tremendous job with bringing our attention to beyond 36 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:27.879 Vietnam a speech that he wrote a year to the 37 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.159 day of his assassination, and you'll break down of it. 38 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:38.280 The discussions that you've had with people who are very 39 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:41.439 cognizant of the social justice space, but in particular, there 40 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:45.439 have been some conversations and you and Johnny Mack, who 41 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:50.199 study Doctor King each and every week. Certainly we have 42 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:52.759 a need for that right now, and that is the 43 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.759 part of our history that we must turn to and 44 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:55.240 lean on. 45 00:02:55.719 --> 00:02:59.039 You know, I give it some reflection in this first 46 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:03.240 segment of our show. Nineteen sixty seven must have been 47 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.199 a pivotal year in the life of Martin Luther King Junior. 48 00:03:06.280 --> 00:03:10.240 I was born in nineteen sixty five, and so at 49 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:16.759 age two and a few months, I can only help 50 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.840 but think that with what I've heard, with what I've read, 51 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:24.520 with what I've come to understand, that the April fourth, 52 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:29.439 nineteen sixty seven speech Beyond Vietnam a time to break 53 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.759 the silence, and the fact that he wrote the book 54 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:35.919 Where do We Go from Here? Chaos or Community serves 55 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.319 as important data points in going forward for those of 56 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.439 us who are in the King and the King gi 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.719 and if you will tradition, where do we go from here? 58 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:50.400 Chaos or Community? The question before us today is whether 59 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.840 or not we are closer to community or we are 60 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:58.800 closer to absolute global chaos. I was watching the leadership 61 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.680 at the Davos Economic Summit this past week, and it 62 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:08.400 is increasingly clear that they are accepting the idea that 63 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:14.840 the old order has passed, that a new order is 64 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:19.000 in front of us, that traditional alliances that have held 65 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:21.439 true at least since the end of World War Two 66 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:27.000 are no longer the same alliances. Europe obviously feels vulnerable. 67 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:33.360 Greenland is less secure today than it was before Donald 68 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:40.879 Trump became president again. Russia is embolden in Ukraine, and 69 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.399 Vladimir Lensky is treated as a stepchild. The President of 70 00:04:45.399 --> 00:04:54.000 the United States kidnapped the president of Venezuela, Jared Kushner, 71 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:57.399 the President of the United States, began something yesterday called 72 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:01.639 a peace board. We'll talk about more of that will 73 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.800 to come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. I'm Jesse 74 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:06.759 Jackson Junior. More when we come forward on KBLA in 75 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.560 your show, It's happening Fridays with our creator, Gina Towns, 76 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:12.959 and our very special guest in this hour is doctor 77 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:16.360 nik Cordelai Corte. Not only does he continue his work 78 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:20.160 as an author and KBLA White House correspondent, but also 79 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.839 returns to GSP as professor shaping the next generation of 80 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.879 transformational leaders. His work bridges the worlds of media public 81 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.480 service and education, living proof of what it means to 82 00:05:31.560 --> 00:05:33.920 lead with both head and heart. A proud graduate of 83 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.560 De LaSalle High School in the San Francisco Bay Area, 84 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:39.040 he went on to earn his bachelor's degree in political 85 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:42.199 science from the University of Southern California, where he also 86 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:45.480 pursued a minor in Critical Approaches to Leadership, and after 87 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.399 several years of experience as a public affairs professional, doctor 88 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:52.240 Q felt called to deepen his impact through education, choosing 89 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:58.199 Pepperdine University Graduate School of Education and Psychology GSP as 90 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.480 his academic and leader ship home. Doctor Corte, Doctor Q me, 91 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:04.879 you welcome to. 92 00:06:04.800 --> 00:06:08.040 The Jesse Jackson. I'm on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 93 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:11.399 It's Friday. I couldn't be happier. How you doing, brother man? 94 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:14.439 I love you very much and there's absolutely nothing you 95 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:18.240 can do about it. That's right, Ney, Listen. I am 96 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:22.480 particularly concerned about the headlines over the last two weeks, 97 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:25.560 and I'd love to get your input and your feedback. 98 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:28.120 Let me just read them briefly. The US pulls out 99 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.079 of the World Health Organization. The United States formally completed 100 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.319 its withdrawal from WHO on Thursday, after a year after 101 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:39.560 President Donald Trump, he simply essentially put the cabash on 102 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:43.279 it USA. Today, Americans say the United States is out 103 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.560 of control, and not just the liberals are saying it. 104 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.600 Al Jazeera says the US to withdraw from dozens of 105 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:55.040 UN international organizations. The Wall Street Journal echoes that Trump 106 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.199 pulls out of more than thirty UN bodies, BBC Trump 107 00:06:59.279 --> 00:07:03.959 withdraws from US key climate treaties and dozens of other groups. 108 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.519 And of course, the context here is a global climate 109 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.360 catastrophe that is taking place at the same time that 110 00:07:13.439 --> 00:07:19.519 the administration is withdrawing from international cooperation because, as John F. 111 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:23.439 Kennedy said, we all share the same planet and we 112 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:27.480 are all more Doctor Q, where is this? Where are 113 00:07:27.480 --> 00:07:31.720 we going? In the post celebration of Martin Luther King Junior, 114 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:37.240 his ninety seventh birthday was January fifteenth. Chaos or community? 115 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:44.319 Well, thank you for the question, Jesse Junior. I think 116 00:07:44.360 --> 00:07:48.519 there are examples of both. There are examples of chaos 117 00:07:48.600 --> 00:07:52.120 in community. You've just laid out the kind of chaos 118 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.240 that we're seeing, particularly abroad, but the chaos that we're 119 00:07:56.240 --> 00:08:01.000 also seeing right here across the country, we're seeing facilitated 120 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:04.439 by ICE. For example, I am still shaken and stirred 121 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:10.600 having learned about UH civil rights attorney and activists uh 122 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:16.959 Nikema Levy Armstrong not only being arrested at the hands 123 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.560 of the US Department of Justice for exercising her First 124 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:26.360 Amendment right UH in and in in peacefully protesting UH 125 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:31.240 in a church where the pastor is alleged to also 126 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:36.399 be doubling as a local director of ICE. To add 127 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.360 insult to injury, we saw that the White House just 128 00:08:39.480 --> 00:08:44.120 yesterday shared an altered photo of an arrested UH Nikema 129 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:49.639 Levy Armstrong. What do we call that? We call that propaganda, 130 00:08:50.360 --> 00:08:53.039 you know, you got to say it playing uh And 131 00:08:53.039 --> 00:08:56.919 and so we are seeing a lot of seeds of 132 00:08:57.000 --> 00:09:01.200 division that are being sown. We're seeing, uh the kind 133 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:07.960 of chaos that is intended to leave us feeling disoriented 134 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.120 and feeling powerless, and feeling like what it is that 135 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:16.440 this administration hopes to accomplish, That every plank that's a 136 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:21.720 part of Project twenty twenty five, that all that is inevitable. 137 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:23.879 That's what they want us to feel. But I think 138 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:30.200 to your point, I think community is a part of 139 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.519 the anecdote to this. We cannot make it to the 140 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:37.399 other side of this chaos by ourselves. And so I've 141 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:40.960 been heartened to see so many activists from across the 142 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:47.039 country lock arms and declare that what's happened to folks 143 00:09:47.120 --> 00:09:52.720 like Nikeema Levy Armstrong and other peaceful protesters, other legal observers, 144 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:59.159 other American citizens, the trampling of folks civil rights and 145 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:01.759 civil liberty. Not only is it wrong, but you have 146 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.279 people taking to the streets saying not on my watch. 147 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.440 That is the kind of community that we need to 148 00:10:07.600 --> 00:10:13.639 sustain through election Day in order to bring this country 149 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:14.519 back from the brink. 150 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:19.080 You know, I saw the altered photo of sister Armstrong 151 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:24.799 side by side with the dignity that she accepted and 152 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:29.720 did not if you will resist arrest. As a result 153 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:33.320 of that protest, we also saw some levels of the 154 00:10:33.440 --> 00:10:37.399 exact same attempt to disgrace if you will, to humiliate 155 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:42.679 don Lemon. I believe in the same particular event, And 156 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:47.919 I'm wondering to think about a department of justice that 157 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:53.799 traditionally prided itself in the idea that even those in 158 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:59.559 captivity are innocent until proven guilty. This kind of altering 159 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:06.759 of the even prosecutorial environment where even a criminal defendant, 160 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.039 an alleged criminal defendant, has to even prove in court 161 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:16.440 that hey, the documents that you're showing or the evidence 162 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:21.399 that you're presenting has been altered to reflect not the 163 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:26.440 truth of my First Amendment rights, but the inherent insults 164 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:31.000 that are associated with the process. Uh that if in 165 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:36.039 fact you are proven innocent, the social media space, the government, 166 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:41.080 with the government's support, participates in a denigration of you 167 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.799 and the organization and the movement and the very processes 168 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.039 that we have hold deers Americans. Your thought about that 169 00:11:48.080 --> 00:11:49.720 as a professional journalist. 170 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.320 Well, let me just say, speaking of feeling shaken and surred, 171 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.639 I think a lot of us who pride ourselves in 172 00:11:57.240 --> 00:12:00.480 developing the first draft of history in the form of journalism, 173 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:08.559 I think we were disturbed by the efforts of this 174 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:16.039 Trump Department of Justice to trample on the right to 175 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:20.799 a free press. And thank goodness that this federal magistrate 176 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:27.120 judge rejected the Justice Department's initial attempt to bring charges 177 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:31.440 against our friend, our brother, journalist Don Lemon, for appearing 178 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:38.000 alongside protesters who went into a Minnesota church over the weekend. 179 00:12:38.679 --> 00:12:42.840 You know, so we can't live stream protest that's against 180 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:49.879 the law, that that invites the Department of Justice, the 181 00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:53.799 US Department of Justice, to file charges. It's it's it's 182 00:12:53.879 --> 00:13:02.000 hard to not believe that Don Lemon's black, proudly black, 183 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:09.240 proudly gay self didn't factor into his targeting. You know, 184 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.080 it's it's hard. It's hard to believe, you know, that 185 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:16.840 someone who has demonstrated an ability to speak truth to power, right, 186 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:19.960 it's it's hard to believe that this Justice Department didn't 187 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:25.000 seek to make an example out of Don Lemon and 188 00:13:25.000 --> 00:13:28.360 and to send a signal to you, to send a 189 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:35.600 signal to me that telling the truth, speaking the truth 190 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:40.240 to the masses, streaming the truth to the masses will 191 00:13:40.480 --> 00:13:46.200 be met with a federal government weaponized by this Trump 192 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.120 administration's ultimate aims. You know, it is it is. It 193 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.960 shocks the conscience that there are a number of folks 194 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:59.039 out there that can't see this for what it is. 195 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:04.039 It shocks the content that Democrats, Republicans, independents can't lock 196 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:07.440 arms and say this is a bridge too far, right, 197 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:11.879 what else is it going to take? But look, you know, 198 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:16.399 our legal system, Uh it worked, uh in this case, 199 00:14:16.600 --> 00:14:19.799 you know, But I fear for the other independent journalists 200 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:21.519 that are out there that don't have the same muscle 201 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:30.200 as legacy corporate media might have. I shudder at what 202 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:35.720 is possible if the algorithms change and suddenly it's harder 203 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.039 to get information from these independent journalists, you know, on YouTube, 204 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:42.919 on Instagram, on some of the other major platforms. And 205 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:45.240 last thing I'll add is you know, of course, I'm 206 00:14:45.279 --> 00:14:49.519 sure you're aware that TikTok is now officially under US ownership. 207 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.120 For anybody on TikTok, it's worth looking at the terms 208 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:57.840 of service, looking at the terms of service uh as 209 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.240 a part of what TikTok says that they're offering. I 210 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:05.200 took a look at it yesterday because you know, I 211 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.679 like to geek out on stuff like this. I was 212 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:13.159 looking at the community guidelines in my time off last night, 213 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:17.919 and one of the areas you talk about integrity and authenticity, 214 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:21.399 you know, and they talk about how we require clear 215 00:15:21.559 --> 00:15:26.039 labeling when AI or editing is used to realistically depict 216 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:33.399 people or scenes. We don't allow AI generated content that 217 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.480 misleads about matters of public importance or that harms individuals. 218 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:40.320 Will look with the White House just put out yesterday 219 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:44.480 on those media channels with Nakeema Levy Armstrong right, and 220 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:48.960 so part of the fight ahead as folks that refuse 221 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:53.279 to spiral ind chaos and folks that embrace the tenets 222 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.919 of a beloved community. Part of the work that we 223 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:00.840 have to do is also hold these social media companies, 224 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:05.600 hold these organizations to what they say on paper. They're 225 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:06.159 all about. 226 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:07.840 You know, I just want to add, because I know 227 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.879 the genus going to come into the conversation in just 228 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:14.279 a moment. You know, when Donald Trump first became President 229 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:17.080 of the United States the second time, there was an 230 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.720 attack on the legal community that would have historically stood 231 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:26.279 up and fought for Don Lemon, for a mis Armstrong, 232 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:32.320 because on the face of the matter, it's wrong. The 233 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:36.639 prosecutions of Letitia James, the prosecution of the prosecutors, the 234 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:40.000 care in which Jack Smith had to prepare and present 235 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:44.080 his testimony to avoid to the extent that he may avoid, 236 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:48.879 the kind of contempt from Congress that that others have received. 237 00:16:49.840 --> 00:16:52.120 This is what we see. This is what we discuss. 238 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:59.360 But these individuals are hiring lawyers who literally to prove 239 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:07.119 they're innoc since can bankrupt the alleged criminal defendant. I 240 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.559 can't begin to tell you just how much this costs 241 00:17:12.119 --> 00:17:16.640 to preserve your name, to preserve the dignity of your work, 242 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:21.640 to not become a mean, to not become part of 243 00:17:21.759 --> 00:17:25.480 a culture. When we need people to speak truth to power, 244 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.880 we need people to be taken seriously, we need to 245 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:34.880 convey serious messages. But then when we find ourselves having 246 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.680 to mortgage our homes, to pay for lawyers, to lose 247 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:43.839 everything that we've ever gained, just to stay free, just 248 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:48.039 to maintain the integrity of who we are, this is 249 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.640 the era that we are clearly entering. Me and I 250 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.519 wanted to allow Gina the opportunity to come just before 251 00:17:54.519 --> 00:17:56.279 we come forward in two minutes, to share some of 252 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.119 her initial thoughts. 253 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:04.119 Well, you started out listing off a number of things, 254 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:07.920 a number of news stories, but in particular, it is 255 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:13.480 our withdrawal from the world stage, our participation in a 256 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:19.559 beloved community around the world. And this really follows leadership, 257 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.680 because there's a leadership that took us to these organizations, 258 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:29.359 and there is a participation that we've had foundationally, we 259 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:35.079 have been the financial backbone of many of particularly the 260 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:39.920 who the World Health Organization is of particular interest as 261 00:18:39.960 --> 00:18:43.839 we begin this isolation of what appears to be an 262 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:47.559 isolation period, but certainly this is not what Martin Luther 263 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:54.119 King envisioned or thought about us. So domestically, we have 264 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:57.079 a number of things going on that dan have tentacles 265 00:18:57.359 --> 00:19:01.559 that reach out around the world, and we tend to 266 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.279 look at things in an isolated fashion. But all of 267 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:09.119 these things add up together, and I think, you know, 268 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:11.720 one of the reasons why we have to study Doctor 269 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:17.640 King is because we are losing a place in our 270 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.240 history and an ideology that we have to fight for. 271 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.440 You know, when I saw some of the memes of 272 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:27.160 Doctor King during the holiday period and leading up to 273 00:19:27.160 --> 00:19:32.359 the holiday period, with him dancing and clowning, and with 274 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:36.279 people taking pictures of him who were not there at 275 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.559 certain periods of his history, and even for the King 276 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.680 family to respond to say leave my father, Bernie said 277 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:48.480 out of the memes, out of the jokes. And the 278 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.720 idea of protecting one's legacy in this context is it 279 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.160 is obviously something that we're going to have to talk about. 280 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.440 We may even be leading to a generation of people 281 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.640 who start saying it's time to get unplugged. Jesse Jackson 282 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.200 Junior listening to Jesse Jackson Junior show Our very special 283 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.079 guest in this hour is doctor Q. Knie Quarter Lai 284 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.960 Coarte is our very special guest. He's the White House 285 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:13.440 correspondent for w for KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. Our 286 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:16.200 very special contributor, Gina Towns will come forward with us 287 00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:19.359 as well, Talk fifteen eighty in just a moment. I'm 288 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.359 Jesse Jackson Jr. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. 289 00:20:22.480 --> 00:20:24.839 This is Fat Meat Fridays and the j Lunch Club 290 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.680 with our regular contributor on Friday's the creator of the 291 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.599 Jesse Jackson Junior Show, Gina Towns. Gina, welcome forward to 292 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:36.680 the show. Hie Jesse, and our very special guest in 293 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:42.839 this hour is nie Q, doctor Ortalie Quarte, who is 294 00:20:43.039 --> 00:20:46.960 our White House correspondent at KBLA. Doctor Q, let me 295 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.839 ask you a question just before Gina shares with us 296 00:20:50.119 --> 00:20:56.599 our happenings and black history on this particular date, Trump's 297 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.640 peace board at Dovels at the Dovels Economic Summit looks 298 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.559 like a real estate deal. I've always believed in a 299 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.519 two state solution in the Gaza strip, but when you 300 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.240 see the images and I challenge our listeners to google 301 00:21:11.319 --> 00:21:19.400 peace Board, and to google New Gaza. Google New Gaza 302 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:24.559 and see the renderings of new Gaza. And I'm wondering 303 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.920 in this moment, doctor Q, how are the poor people 304 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.000 of Gaza going to be able to afford to live 305 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:31.839 in this arrangement? Why are they not part of the 306 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:35.319 so called peace board, Doctor Q. 307 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:40.519 I think those are questions that need answers, and I 308 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:44.880 think it's pretty apparent. You know, there's a book that 309 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:50.359 I require that my students at Pepperdine University read over 310 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:53.920 the course of the semester. It's called Design Justice. And 311 00:21:54.400 --> 00:22:01.039 one of the principles that the authors about at length 312 00:22:01.160 --> 00:22:06.880 in that book is nothing for us without us, nothing 313 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:10.920 for us without us. And this is an organizing principle 314 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:13.720 that some of the most seasoned organizers have adhered to. 315 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:17.519 There doesn't seem to be much evidence of that. It 316 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:24.119 is deeply troubling that this plan to rebuild Gaza, this 317 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:31.000 plan to erect the Middle East Riviera, that it doesn't 318 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:36.160 seem to have any Palestinians that are playing a principal 319 00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:39.400 role in this, that have a principal voice in this. Yes, 320 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:43.960 we're seeing folks from the Arab world that are a 321 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:47.799 part of this but you know, these are folks that 322 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:52.000 are doing their own bidding, and so this is something 323 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.160 that I think people of conscience are going to have 324 00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:58.000 to watch very very closely. This is going to require 325 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:02.519 courage people to speak truth to power, and you know, 326 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:06.559 as not just Democrats, but anybody that's in opposition to this, 327 00:23:08.039 --> 00:23:12.039 as they get out on the campaign trail, it's important 328 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:15.839 to remind people about the power of our example. Yes, 329 00:23:15.880 --> 00:23:18.960 we need to bring prices down here at home, but 330 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.960 we can't underestimate the power of America's example abroad for 331 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:29.720 good and for evil, for good, you know, and for 332 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:34.319 the good of the narrow self interest of a privileged few. 333 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:35.440 You know. 334 00:23:35.519 --> 00:23:38.960 I'm thinking in this moment when doctor King says that 335 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:43.359 it's a time to break the silence, that a betrayal 336 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.599 of silence is taking place. As the renderings are obviously 337 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:54.279 of a futuristic gaza strip that mirrors flying into Manhattan 338 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:57.079 in fact a more modern Manhattan, or flying into Dubai, 339 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:03.279 but it simply does not refer the education level the 340 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:08.759 oppression that the Palestinian people have confronted for decades, and 341 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.799 it seems to me that they have no role in 342 00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:17.720 the future of Jared Kushner's conceptual designs or what can 343 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.920 only be seen as a multi trillion dollar development a 344 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:26.640 riviera in the Gaza Strip. 345 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:31.920 Gina, your thoughts, I think the whole thing is just 346 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:40.200 very bothersome in general, with the Gaza Strip, because I 347 00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.920 had one of those old Bibles as a child where 348 00:24:43.799 --> 00:24:49.119 Israel what is now known as Israel's Palestine, and that 349 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:54.559 name was changed and those people were moved pushed down 350 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:59.400 into the Gods Strip. And so now after a culpable 351 00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:10.279 year of unmitigated bombing, death and destruction, it's time to rebuild. 352 00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:14.680 And I saw some early sketch drawings of what it 353 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.920 could be might be. I mean, I think we all 354 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:20.640 knew from the time that Jared Kushner went that there 355 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:25.079 was a deal afoot, and certainly it does not include 356 00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:28.680 the people who have been occupying that land. But the 357 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.039 fact is that those people were occupying another land even 358 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.559 before we got to this point. 359 00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:40.119 Doctor Q. I can't help but reflect in this moment 360 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:48.519 that the sixty seven thousand people in this conflict are 361 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:52.039 going to be a people without a home, that they 362 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.599 are going to be potentially refugees in their own land. 363 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:01.720 And somewhere I read that justice delayed is justice denied. 364 00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:07.319 That somehow peace is not merely the absence of noise, 365 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:12.000 but the presence of love and the presence of justice. 366 00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:16.920 These are also sustaining principles that we believe in organizing 367 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:21.519 because the end that we seek is pre existent in 368 00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:23.759 the means, meaning we give some thought to the end 369 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.079 that we want to accomplish towards this idea of a 370 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.640 beloved community. I don't see that taking place here. 371 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.839 I don't see it taking place in the near term. 372 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:42.200 It is worth noting that four Palestinians have been killed 373 00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.880 in Gods that as Trump has launched this Board of Peace, 374 00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:51.839 it sounds like, you know, America is committed to living 375 00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:59.119 in an alternative universe. Al Jazeera reporting that a number 376 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:04.799 of medical sources are saying that at least four people 377 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:08.079 have been killed in the Palestinian civil defense. They reported 378 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:11.240 that on the death of an infant from hypothermia and 379 00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:18.000 Central Gaza. While President Trump has unveiled his Board of Peace, 380 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:22.440 they're not experiencing peace there. And I think it's important 381 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.880 that people really understand this, that, you know, to create 382 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.880 this delusion that we're creating this body that is committed 383 00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:35.880 to ushering in an era of peace in the region. 384 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.400 When there is no peace on the ground right there, 385 00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.440 We're not dealing in reality, you know. 386 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:43.319 And so. 387 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:49.880 At some point we're gonna have to reconcile that, because 388 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.880 I don't see the kind of long term security in 389 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:57.480 the region if we don't reconcile that. To think that 390 00:27:57.519 --> 00:27:59.519 the young people that are coming up right now that 391 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:02.599 are exposed to all of this, the young people that 392 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:04.640 are coming up that are living in poverty right now, 393 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:08.440 the young people that will be forced to live a 394 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.799 life as refugees, young people who may never go back 395 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:15.240 to the place the only place that they've known is 396 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:18.039 their home. To think that people just pack up and 397 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:21.200 move and don't have a word to say about it, 398 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:24.279 don't have a feeling about it, don't have a trauma 399 00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:29.279 experience related to it, that is divorced from reality. And 400 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:38.319 we better get this reality check sooner than later so 401 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:43.920