Speaker 1: We all think we'd know what we were looking at.
Speaker 2: And I think it was around four o'clock in the morning.
My left shoulder was facing the front door and my
right shoulder was facing the dead end street, and I
saw an orange glow at the corner of my eye.
So I turned to look, and just off the street
there was a forty foot in diameter orange spear, just
marbling like the sun.
Speaker 1: But the lights in the sky were never the part
that scared him.
Speaker 2: I went outside. It was Halloween, the younger kids were
just starting to go out and trigger treat. I saw
a kid in an alien costume at the end of
my building. This was not a kid. I could not
fathom that this was a being in front of me.
Speaker 1: Then it came back, and this time it spoke through
his daughter.
Speaker 2: And I looked down at my daughter and she's pulling
on my shirt. She said, Daddy, he wants to meet you.
Speaker 1: And every time it happened, someone was watching.
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, black hawk helicopter came from behind us.
Wash from the helicopter. We didn't even hear it coming.
It's almost like it just turned on right there in
the yard. The spotlight is blinding us.
Speaker 3: So who sends an unmarked black Hawk helicopter the second
a craft shows up over a family's home.
Speaker 1: Let's find out. Everyone. Welcome to the Good Trouble Show.
I'm Matt Ford.
Speaker 3: Our guest today is a self described Darkansas redneck, a hunter,
a single father of I and by his own account,
just about the last person on earth who wanted any
of this to be true. He is the subject of
the documentary Experiencer. He's going to tell you about the
night everything changed. But the part that stayed with me
the most was what he said happened next, that the
aliens were never the part that scared him. The part
that scared him was the people who showed up after Now,
what you believe about what showed up in the sky
that night, it is up to you. What he says
his government did to his family afterward, well that's a
different question entirely, and it is the one I could
not let go of.
Speaker 1: Please welcome Eric Mitchell. Eric, How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Doing great? My friend? How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm very well?
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for joining us on the show. This
is your first time on the show, and you know
I know a little bit about your story. We've spoken
previously where you kind of gave me some of the background.
But for our viewers at home, tell us a bit
about yourself, where you grew up that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in Arkansas, very simple guy, simple life,
very simple education. I did not believe in anything paranormal
at all, you know. I just grew up in one
of those families where nobody ever talked about that stuff
and if people do, they must be crazy. So it
really jilted it so into my life where it gave
me a complete new worldview going into this. You know,
it was a single dad. I moved into a small
apartment after a divorce, you know, just so it was affordable.
And I found myself outside of my own apartment, and
I think it was around four o'clock in the morning.
My left shoulder was facing the front door and my
right shoulder was facing the dead end street, and I
saw an orange glow at the corner of my eye.
So I turned to look, and just off the street
there was a forty foot in diameter orange spear, just
marbling like the sun, rippling like water, and it was stationary,
and I had no idea what I was looking at.
You know, probably twenty minutes of squeezing my eyebrows.
Speaker 1: Together about what time of the day was this was?
I may have missed that.
Speaker 2: It was almost four point thirty in the morning, okay,
And I stared at this thing for about twenty minutes,
decided it was some kind of weird optical illusion and
went inside, made coffee and turned on the news to
see if there was any strange weather phenomenon going on.
I mean, this thing was forty feet in diameter. It's
really big. So I left the door open and kind
of leaned on my couch where I can look outside,
and it stayed there. So I figured, you know, my
son comes up, I'm going to get a good look
at and laugh at myself.
Speaker 3: What motivated you to go outside? Was this just kind
of part of your morning routine? What made you go
outside and to have a look at what, you know,
what was going on?
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I literally went to bed that
night and I woke up standing outside of my front door.
I had no idea how I got there. It did
bother me the thought of sleepwalking outside. You know, I
could get run over or hurt or something like that.
But I have no idea how I got.
Speaker 3: There, and you know, and you mentioned that you were
pretty much a hard skeptic, that UFOs or anything of
that nature. That wasn't something that ever kind of came
up in your family growing up, or did you read
UFO books or anything like that as a kid, et cetera.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely nothing like that. As a matter of fact,
I never looked at the subject. You know, that was
for crazy people in my mind back then. I regret
it now. But no, nothing like that, no interest whatsoever.
Speaker 3: And was there anything that was strange that occurred the night.
Speaker 2: Before, Not that I'm aware of. Now. It's just a
normal Pixar film with the kids, homework, dinner, tuck everybody
and go to sleep myself. And the next thing I know,
I'm standing outside, going what's going on here? You know?
Speaker 3: Overy strength and your kids they were still in bed.
They didn't wake up to any of this.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, still sleeping, okay.
Speaker 3: And and this this giant orb, did it emit any
kind of sound or anything of that nature.
Speaker 2: No, it was completely silent. It was completely stationary as well.
Didn't bob or weed or anything like that. The only
movement was it kind of rippled like water. If you
were like to look at the sun. It had a
rippling effect. But the funny thing, and what bothered me
the most, is that here's this giant ball of light
and it should be illuminating that, you know, the dow
on the on the street, It should be illuminating the
whole neighborhood. But it was self contained. There was no
light emanating off of this, So it got more confusing
the more the more I looked at.
Speaker 3: It, Like, looking back, do you do you find it
odd that you decided to just kind of go back
inside and watch TV. You hear often and I think
they call it sort of an inappropriate reaction where two
people will see a UFO and look at it and
then they'll go inside and order a pizza and not
thinking think anything of it. Looking back to you, do
you think your reaction to it that first time was
a little bit out of the ordinary for yourself, not
for me.
Speaker 2: I did stand there for about twenty minutes, you know,
with my eyebrows almost almost touching each other, thinking what
the heck is this? You know, and you know, when
you can't identify something like that, you kind of go
through every probability and possibility that you can. So I
determined that it was an optical illusion because it couldn't
be anything else. You know, in my mind, a UFO
was a saucer on a fishing string in a nineteen
fifties movie, you know, So it never crossed my mind
that it could be, you know, a UFO.
Speaker 3: So you're out there, you're watching this thing for twenty minutes,
you go back in to watch TV.
Speaker 1: Then what happens.
Speaker 2: Well, I waited for the sun to come up, and
then I was going to go outside and find out
what this optical illusions made out of. Maybe some broken
glass and light bouncing off of it. You know, I
just tried to rationalize something that wasn't rational. By the
time the sun did come up, I went straight to
the door and it was gone, completely gone. I didn't
hear it leave or anything.
Speaker 3: Okay, And that day, did you talk to any of
your neighbors? Did any of them say, hey, do you
see see anything weird in the sky or anything of
that sort.
Speaker 2: Not that particular day, I stayed confused at work. Normally,
I'm the guy motivating people at work, you know, talking
and making sure everybody's okay. But you know, that day
I was particularly very quiet and kept to myself. I
was still and I don't know why it kept me confused.
I could have just maybe let it go and everything
would have been okay. But I did have that reaction
where it lingered in my mind all day long, whereas
why couldn't I stop thinking about it? But that was
an odd reaction for sure. But you know, I got
home and I remember picking up dinner and thinking about
reading a science magazine that talked about ball lightning years ago,
and I decided that had to have been it, you know.
And you know, once I had an explanation for myself,
I was, okay, you know, back to normal. Everything's good.
Let's do cartoons with the kids, homework, dinner, and put
them to bed, and I went out for my nightly
smoke that very day. It was about nine thirty at night.
And sorry about the shaky voice. You know, when my
mind goes back there, the initial blow is still, you know,
bothering me to this day. But I was pacing the
one story apartment and I kept looking up at that area,
and finally it was maybe an orange ball about this size.
It's all I can see in the dark, and it
slowly turned all the way on to forty feet in diameter.
It then went completely out, very slowly again and repeated
flashing all the way on, all the way off, and
it began to move about two miles an hour, flashing
at me. It made a horseshoe shape around my body.
As I turned my body facing it, I realized this
was intelligently control. I felt a very strong presence, and
so as my body's turning. Now I'm facing my one
story apartment, and it's just over my apartment. It's about
maybe fifteen feet from my head. This thing flashed twice
and took off as fast as a bullet. You would
expect a sonic boom. You would expect the air displacement
to even rip me apart. My legs locked up like
a scared goat. You know, I couldn't move my legs,
and I finally actually duck walked back into my apartment.
I was so scared of what this was. So, you know,
I spent pretty much the entire night of my daughter's
laptop because I hadn't owned one at the time. I
was twenty thirteen ways back, but all I could find
was conspiracy theories and area fifty one and you know,
just stuff I just didn't believe, and I needed a
real answer, a rational answer, and finally finally got a
nap and went to work the next morning. Now, the
very next day I came home from work. My car
was overheating. My buddy Dan, he spent two terms at
Bright Patterson Air Force Base, four year terms, and he
lived just across from me, helping me look at the car,
and it was the water pump, you know, bad luck.
And we talked for a little bit, and he actually
brought me out of beer, and I put the beer
on the top of my car, and he was bragging
about his wife's dinner that she was making and she
was an amazing cook, and he began to go back
into his apartment to eat. I reached back to reach
for that beer, because darn it, I needed one with
that water pump. And I stepped back and I was
tying on I was standing on my own shoelace, so
it untied my shoe. I'm thinking, great, what next, right,
So I kneeled down and I start to tie my
shoe and I start to feel this like vibration, light
vibration on the top of my head. Within seconds, It's
like if you've ever been in a rock and roll
concert and you feel that vibration hit your chest. If
you can imagine that by a million times aimed at
your head. I went the rest of the way to
the ground. I felt as if a magnet was pushing
me down and back and forth. I was literally scooting
back and forth as if I was a metal object.
It was so intense that the only way I knew
I was throwing up is that my throat would open
for a long period of time and close, so I
did know I was throwing up repeatedly. While this was happening.
It lasted for maybe fifteen seconds. I pushed as hard
as I could off the ground because I felt a
sensation coming from directly above me, and it was this
object that was over my head. Years later I spoke
to Dan, and him and a friend of his actually
saw it happen, and they said there was a pencil
beam blue light that came straight down and hit me
in the head and stayed there for a while. They
were scared. They ran. I don't blame them, but that
it was terrible. I don't know. At some point it
was nighttime. It shouldn't have been. I was looking around
like a scared rodent because my first thought is to
jump off the concrete and get to my front door,
but instead you just go into hypervigilant mode. I was
looking around for movement, for sound, for anything. I know
how fast this thing is, and I believed at the
time it tried to kill me. So I stayed there
on the concrete for quite a while, assessing my area
and how fast I was going to run once my
body actually could move. But I got into the apartment.
I went into the bathroom to throw up again, and
I felt that cold floor, you know, and I didn't
realize how overheated I was, and so I just laid
down on the cold floor and passed out. So it
wasn't alcohol induced. I didn't get to that beer, but
I just lost consciousness. The next morning, I woke up
around five point thirty am, and I had blood and
vomit all over my clothes. I apologized to your audience,
but I don't want to be, you know, too graphic,
But I just got into the bath to close and
all and laid there into the water. The hot water
ran out.
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Speaker 1: All right, back to the interview.
Speaker 3: Now, you spoke a minute ago about your friends that
saw this and ran off.
Speaker 1: Were these neighbors of yours? How did they.
Speaker 3: Come to witness this whole thing?
Speaker 2: My friend Dan, he lived if you open my door,
he's directly the apartment right across from me. So we
talked to each other every single day. It was a
very small neighborhood at about twenty apartments, maybe twenty five,
so everybody knew everybody. You know, we do birthday parties
and barbecues and things of that nature. So I knew
Dan quite well. We had been friends for quite a while.
Speaker 1: You get sick from this experience, you throw up.
Speaker 3: You know, there's blood involved, and this was I apologize
if I missed it. What sort of time of day
was this that this that this particular incident occurred.
Speaker 2: It's a little confusing for me. It started around five
point thirty, but it was it was dark once I
got back inside, so there was a little bit of
a time confusion there for me. I know, trauma can
cause those kinds of things. Maybe it was something else,
but I was definitely traumatized. Next morning, once I changed
into dry clothes, I got some cranberry juice because I
was a little thirsty. But once the liquid hit my lips,
I had no idea how thirsty I was. I was
spilling it all over my clothes and I was just
trying to get as much in me as possible. So
I was obviously pretty dehydrated at the time, and it
seemed like my thoughts were racing, and I thought I
was having my first panic attack. You know, I've heard
about them. I've always been a laid back, simple guy,
so I've never experienced one. But it was the beginning
precursor to Savon syndrome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that morning you wake up, do you decide
to go to a doctor the emergency room? What are
you doing at that point after having this sounds like
pretty pretty terrifying experience.
Speaker 2: Well, well, I wanted to go to the emergency room
with everything I am, but at the time of divorce
and custody battle and things of that nature, you don't
want to walk into a hospital and tell them a
giant light had struck you down to the grounds.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It sounds absolutely insane to any physician out there at
the time. Anyway, it's becoming more normal now, but I
decided I wasn't going to go. I didn't have any
insurance anyway, and times were tight, times were hard, so
I just decided that, you know, maybe maybe I've got
a brain tumor maybe I had a stroke. You know,
maybe I have an one, you know, a late onset
type of mental illness, and none of this is real
and I'm just perfectly fine. I tried to rationalize all
of it because I didn't have time for anything irrational
in my life. You know. It was kids, work, homework, bed,
you know, keep it simple and keep my home steady.
You know, my kids deserved at least one parent that's
going to be there all the time. So that was
my major focus.
Speaker 3: And were there other people besides your two friends that
witnessed this.
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes. Over time, almost nightly, this object would come back.
It would literally come down into the yard or very
close to it, and it began to scare people. It
frightened a lot of people. Some people immediately started moving.
People in town started hearing about it, and rows of
cars would show up at night with loads of people,
you know, wanting to see this object. I live in
the Bible Belt, so a lot of people were saying
I was calling the devil down from the sky. Okay,
So I got a lot of ridicule. And every time
I'd go to the grocery store or in town, I've
got a lot of bad looks. But it was it
was ongoing for for quite some time.
Speaker 3: Okay, And you know, so you have all these people
that that you know, that saw this thing. Did anybody
call the police or anything to come out and look
at it, look at it or you see what was
going on?
Speaker 2: The police were called once and at the time I
regretted not doing it myself, but someone called the cops. Uh.
Two officers got out of the squad car. They looked
at the crowd, they looked up at this object, they
looked at each other. They got back in the squad car,
and they left. No paperwork was ever done on it.
So there's literally no safety there. And at the time,
I was going through Facebook looking for anybody that knew
anything about the paranormal first time, you know, reaching out
or looking into it, and I found one move On
investigator that kind of blew us all off. You know.
I got nineteen witnesses together and he never answered the phone,
you know, and the next day just a snide attitude
over what was going on. So luckily I found very
gaunt Kentucky State director move On, and you know, I
told him, you know, I need help, you know, something
is going on here, And that was a that was
a four hour conversation. He realized at the time that
this was pretty drastic, so he sent out Indy Bailey
Dove from Arkansas. Moved on and she was extremely nervous
investigating what was going on. You know, she talked all
the witnesses. Now, I did have all kinds of equipment problems.
She couldn't get any of her cameras to work, and
they were all fully charged. So she lent my daughter
lent her a camera, and she was able to start
conducting interviews and finding out what's going on, electromagnetic field disturbances,
possibly everything you can think of. She after thirty years
of investigations, you could tell she was very shaken, and
that bothered me as well.
Speaker 1: Did she ever see the object?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. It was far enough away where
you can quite possibly say drone. But if it was
a groan, it was huge, you know, and the wrong color.
But so she couldn't get her percent make but she
did say that that thing is not supposed to be there.
That's very strange. So, like I said, she was extremely
nervous about this particular case.
Speaker 3: Okay, So so this orange object appears a bunch of
nights in a row at what point do you think
that you were abducted?
Speaker 1: Lead talk, you know us, bring us to that point.
Speaker 2: I I talked to Barry, we call him Bear, big Guy,
big Heart. Did tell me it's a possibility that I
would be abducted, and that was just too absurd for me, Matt.
I couldn't wrap my brain around the possibility of that
being true forever happening. So it really didn't bother my
thought process at all. I wasn't worried about that. One morning,
I woke up to my daughter screaming, and I was
on the couch at the time with a loaded thirty
eight under my pillow, because if anything came through my
front door, you know, I can protect the children. I
ran into her bedroom. She had her mouth open and
her tongue was moving like she was trying to scream again,
but she couldn't, And so I ran up to her
and I looked at her arms, and they had hundreds
of holes. If you can imagine a hole in skin
that's big enough to fit an entire rain drop, you
know in it, if you can imagine hundreds of those
from the shoulder cuff to the elbow, hundreds looking like
a honeycomb, but skin. The skin was so dehydrated that
she wasn't bleeding or overpussing or anything like that, but
it was just the mutilation was so shocking for me.
I couldn't imagine what was going on. And she took
her little finger because I was panicking, ask her, what's happening,
what's going on? What bit you? Do? You have bugs?
What's going on? And she pointed her little finger out
and touched my arm. And that's when I look down
and realized I had the same thing. And I rushed
her to the pediatrician. I golfed the guy. You know,
he'd been a pediatrician for over thirty years, and I
trusted him, and he said, Eric, I have no idea
what's going on here. These aren't bug bites, This is
not a rash, this is not a dermatology issue. He
did tell us to get some vitamin E oil to
help with the scarring. If anything persisted, get you know,
back a hold of him, and you know, we can
see a dermatologist about what could possibly be going on.
The Next day, going through this Savon syndrome, my son
was pouring cereal and it was extremely loud. My auditory
was picking up everything, and so I sat up black
asleep sun. Couldn't you be quiet, I'm trying to sleep here.
And I saw a triangle looked like someone had taken
a razor blade and just cut a triangle of skin
out of his forehead. So I jumped up and I said, son,
you bumped your head. You must have been sleepwalking. You're hurt.
And I walked him into the bathroom splashed it with
cold water hydrogen peroxide, and he looked up in the
mirror and looked at me. He said, Dad, look at
your head too. And I thought, there's no way we
could both sleep walk and bang our heads and the
same marking. You know, that doesn't make any sense. So
I said, hold on to the counter. I'll be right back,
don't move. And I went into his sister's room, pulled
over the blankets and she had the same exact thing
on her forehead as well. So I got a hold
of Bear and talk to him about it. And there
are if you get a good enough ev light, there's
a blue, orange or green undelible dye. You can't wash
it off. It wears off after four to six weeks
or so. And you can check your body in the
dark to see if there's any remnants left over after
these scenarios, and the majority of the time you're going
to find those sub substances. It's a medical dye that
doesn't come off easy. So that's also frightening to see
that kind of evidence in something you couldn't possibly believe.
It takes a long time to get over that, and
it's really hard.
Speaker 3: How long were these did these wounds persist? How long
did it take for them to heal or disappear?
Speaker 2: After about a month they would they would kind of
burst open and bleed during the summertime, dead heat and
arc and saw. We were wearing long sleeved shirts to
cover everything up. You know, I didn't want people asking
me questions that I couldn't answer, and so I would
have to bring a change of clothes everywhere, so if
one would burst open, I could change my clothes then
go on about my day. But it took it took
a long time to heal. The scars are really prominent
still to this day after fourteen years.
Speaker 3: So did you see a doctor about what had happened
to you in terms of the the you know, these
wounds or whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 2: I did not know. I, Like I said, I didn't
have insurance, right, no real play money. You know, I
wasn't going to go to the doctor for myself, but
of course the kids are our number one priority, so
I made sure that they got checked out. This poor
doctor was extremely confused. He's just never seen anything like
it before.
Speaker 3: At what point did you see sort of non non
human intelligence, you know, beings whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 2: The first one I went outside, it was it was
Halloween day and the younger kids were just starting to
go out and trigg or treat. My son was just
leaving the house, and I went outside with them, you know,
just to let them know, safety precautions. Don't you getting
candy until I check it, you know, normal you normal
dad stuff. And I saw a kid in an alien
costume at the end of my building. And at this point,
all of our neighbors know what there's something going on,
and I thought it was, you know, a bit of
a spoof for one of the parents to put one
of the kids in an alien costume. So I'm smiling
and walking up because I want to see which kid
this is, you know, And the closer I got to it,
it was standing right in the the tree line. The
more I realized this comment, this costume is extremely prominent.
You can see the collarbone, you can see the little
black veins. This was not a kid. And I knelt
down in front of it, mostly because my knees stopped working.
It was just I could not fathom that this was
a being in front of me. And it made a
little bit of a gargling sound looking at me, and
then it stepped a couple of steps back into the woods,
and that was my moment to get away, you know,
to back up and get the heck out of there.
And as I was running back toward my children, my
son was at a bad vantage point to see it,
but my daughter saw it just fine, and she actually
drew a picture of it, and I didn't know she
could draw that well, but I guess that kind of
burnt into her mind. That's something you you can't forget.
Speaker 3: Did you have any kind of hear any sort of
like communication from it other than the gurgling, any thoughts
in your head, any anything of that nature.
Speaker 2: No, nothing like that. It was just like a gurgling,
popping sound coming from its throat, and I was just frightening.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that had to be. So how did your
kids react to that?
Speaker 3: When you go you run back into the into the
your apartment, and then what happens.
Speaker 2: They were standing outside, so they saw it happen. They
were My son didn't catch it from his vanish point,
but like I said, my daughter caught it really well.
And she was just in shock. She said, Dad, She
kept repeating, Dad, that was real, That was real. And
I said, I know, sweetie.
Speaker 1: Talk about your kind of state of mind after this.
Speaker 3: See you walk, you know, you go back to your
your apartment and you're talking to your daughter.
Speaker 1: What is going through your head?
Speaker 2: I was hoping that I was insane, you know. I
was hoping that this is not real. My brain, Matt
fought it every step of the way. I wasn't the
type of guy to believe this stuff. You know. I'm
the last person to pick up a UFO book. You know,
I've got better things to do, like fishing and just
being a redneck in Arkansas, living a simple life. And
so my brain really couldn't accept any of this at all,
you know, And I thought it, you know, every step
of the way. And I couldn't even really tell you
the point of acceptance in totality. Maybe one little piece
at a time I could consume and try to wrap
my head around. But it took a long time for
me just to accept the fact that I'm an experiencer.
Speaker 3: And you talk about developing this savant syndrome. Is what
is savant syndrome? For those people? I have no idea
what it means.
Speaker 2: It's it's very rare. A lot of times someone will
sustain a head injury and instead of it causing brain damage,
it wakes up areas of the brain and it could
be a very difficult life after that. There's people that
can just sit in front of a piano for the
first time and and you know, play amazing music, or
all of a sudden, be really proficient at math out
of nowhere. There's rare cases out there, but they are
They are pretty fascinating. You know. I called my investigator
a couple of days into this and, you know, saying, hey, bear,
you know, I've got some stuff for you. The kids had,
you know, writting some things down, and he's saying, who
is this And I said it's Eric. He said, no,
it's not, and I was like, yeah, it's me. He said, Eric,
where's your accent? Why are you talking so fast? Why?
He was baffled, like what is going on here? You know,
I literally had to prove to him it was me,
because it was just like literally talking to a different person,
a much smarter person. And for me, it was very
difficult because I didn't know how to adjust, you know,
to this rapid fire brain. You know. So that was another,
you know, huge thing to learn how to accept, and
that took that took years.
Speaker 3: Did this like just kind of turn on like a
switch or did it sort of slowly? Was there like
a kind of slow onset of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a couple of days where I thought
it was a steady panic attack, and to this day
I still have never had a panic attack. But you know,
that's what my thoughts were, that my brain, which was
racing from fear and confusion and everything will settle down eventually.
But that didn't turn out to be the case.
Speaker 3: This encounter with a being on Halloween, I take it
that there were other encounters with this being or what
else happened to you in relation to abduct The whole
abduction thing.
Speaker 2: Well, the whole time this object was coming back, I
could be in the middle of doing anything and I
would drop what I was doing walk straight to the door,
and I knew exactly where to look. It's almost as
if I knew, I was feeling that it was there.
I can't really explain that, but a lot of people
say I just thought to look up and there it was.
I mean, it's part of the phenomenon, not just me exclusively.
But there was an occasion where I was walking to
the door randomly and the kids knew to grab their
cameras when they see me do that. And instead of
looking up, I looked straight forward and it was dark,
but you can see it standing there, you know, And
I thought, this has got to be some light bouncing
off of a trash can or something. It can't be real.
So instead of walking straight to it, I kind of
did like a half moon walk to get a better
vantage point. Before you know it, walked up to it
and I looked down at my daughter and she's pulling
on my shirt. She said, Daddy, he wants to meet you.
And I said stay here, you know, and she was
filming on her on her phone, and I did a
half moon walk, and once I get about ten feet
away from it, my whole body just stiffened. Like, this
is this thing just blinked. I was kind of frozen
for a second. It jerked its arm really fast, and
that movement sent me into fight or flight. So I'm
running toward my daughter. She's yelling, Daddy, no, he wants
to meet you. She was really emotional about that, and
she wouldn't go in the house. So I threw her
up over my shoulder and ran inside and locked the
dead bolts. But that was the second time I've seen
one of these beings, if you will.
Speaker 3: And was this the same high as the one that
you thought was a kid in a Halloween costume?
Speaker 2: No, this one was a lot taller. It was maybe
five and a half feet tall.
Speaker 1: Okay, But then did it have a similar face.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very similar what people would portray as grays
on television, you know those silly you know, sci fi movies.
Speaker 3: Okay, And so see you go back in, Yeah, throw
your daughter off your shoulder, going close the dead bolt.
Speaker 1: What happens after that.
Speaker 2: Well, you know twenty thirteen, and you know, mental health
people will tell you this as well, Trauma in, trauma out,
you know, in twenty thirteen. For me, the entire timeline
bounces all over the place because trauma doesn't allow you
to kind of kind of iron everything through the next
one is a bit confusing. I went to go outside.
I looked up and I didn't see anything, which was strange.
I'm thinking, what's going on. I get this right every
single time. You know, it's almost a little game for me.
After a while, you know, to pinpoint exactly where it's at.
And I realized that the light of a star had
just bent around the edge of something. And I kind
of looked around and I realized there was a black
triangle above my house, above me, and it it was huge.
It was a size of maybe a football field. Had
a neighbor down the street. I heard him scream out.
He was an older gentleman, never really met him in person,
scream out, honey, and go get my gun. And I
look over and he's in his yard and he's looking
up at this thing. She's running out. She's running out
to hand him the shotgun. He grabbed his chest and
he went to his knees. Now, Matt, I'm the type
of guy if somebody's in trouble, I'm going to get
to that person and get them help. I don't care
who it is. You know I'm that guy. Some people
are stand around people. They won't, you know, intervene at all.
But in my mind, I'm going to get him an ambulance,
make sure he's okay, elevate his head, elevate his feet,
see if he's conscious. You know, all the basic thoughts.
But I woke up the next morning and I don't
remember anything of that night. And I found out later
on that that man passed away from a heart attack.
And you know, I always think, how did I get
to bed that night? How did I not run to
this man and help him. There's just a big blank
spot in my in my memory. He choked me up.
A little bit years later, this lady was having an
estate sale. She was going into the nursing home, and
I went to see what they had for sale and
met with his wife and I told her, I said,
I was there that night when your husband passed away.
I saw it too, And she couldn't even say anything
to me. She just threw her arms around me and
started crying.
Speaker 3: So let's talk about the implants. I understand that implants
were found. Was it just in you or your kids
as well?
Speaker 2: Just me? Every morning when I would go to work,
I would sit outside and wait for my boss to
show up with key, and I'd always have these little
shards of metal in my fingers and I picked them out,
but I didn't know where they were coming from. I
didn't know what I was touching that was metal. I'm
not an iron worker or anything like that. And it
would the metal would just crumble when it would come
out of my skin. So I vaguely mentioned that to
Bear and he sent somebody down from mouf On to
take a look, and he was getting hits on my body.
He called Bear up. He said, yeah, we've we've got implants,
and so I didn't know what that meant at the time.
They got ahold of doctor Roger Lear and they scheduled
me as a patient eighteen. I was going to go
to Dolores Cannon's conference here in Arkansas. They explained, you know,
just a local, a small cut, and they're going to
be able to remove it. And I was a little
scared about doing that, but Roger Lear seemed like a
great guy. Steve Colburn, great guy. Uh. They introduced me
to the other other patients, so I can, you know,
feel more comfortable about what was going on, and that
did help Timothy Collin patient nine, wonderful guy, and two
weeks before surgery, uh, doctor Roger Lear passed away, so
we we didn't have that particular surgery. I'm still good
friends with Steve Colburn though, he just needs to keep
his equipment in the closet when I visit. You know,
as soon as I show up, he wants to scan
me more. I'm thinking, no, let's go have lunch instead.
Speaker 3: You know, were any of these implants removed after doctor
Lear's death by anyone else?
Speaker 2: No? No, It's incredibly hard to find a surgeon that's
going to touch something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, okay, So as far as you know, they are
still still inside you, yes, okay, okay. Any thought as
to what the purpose of these things.
Speaker 2: Are, well, we talked a lot about it. A lot
of people think GPS, but you know, the structure is
just too complex. It can't be just a tracking device.
You know, the outer layer. As soon as you remove them,
it's like a shiny metallic wrapper that goes around it.
And the moment you remove them, you can't even cut
this wrapper with surgical steel. It's that difficult. But within
minutes that substance starts to flake. Apart. Now this tells
the body it belongs in the body, so your body
doesn't reject it at all. Your nerves and tissue and
everything like that just grow around it. Like I think
if we had that, if we had that type of
technology here, we could do heart transplants, kidney transplants without medication,
and a lot of the problems we have today in
the medical field. It would just be gone. But the
metal structure inside has a lot of atom sized microtubules.
So it was suspected that not just a GPS system,
but a system to study your epigenetics turning on off
that could help monitor your emotions. It can monitor what
your body is doing at every moment. And you know,
they don't signal much one point six one point seven megahertz,
but when they do signal, that's the Hurtz range.
Speaker 3: At some point, some weird stuff starts to happen in
terms of you being surveilled.
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.
Speaker 2: I came out one night and dan Is bellied up
to my Cadillac, and I didn't know why he was
standing there, but I looked at what the direction he
was looking at, and this object was in the tree
line right in front of him and it was just stationary,
just below the tree line. So I got next to
him and bellied up. I was like, how long has
it been here? He said about ten minutes. And I'm
like you okay, And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. I've
heard about these at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. You know,
people would whisper about these things, and pilots would talk
about it, you know, But he was just immersed in
the moment. My friend Christy, she worked a night shift
as a CNA, so she never saw it until this point.
But she came around the corner with a bottle and
some shots to celebrate something. I can't remember what it was,
but she stopped and she said, holy bleep, that thing
is real, because you know, a lot of people told
her about it. So she stood next to us. The
kids opened the door, they saw it, and so all
of us were bellied up to my Cadillac looking at
this thing. It's almost like walking through the woods on
a nice hike and all of a sudden there's a
bear ten feet away, you know. It's that feeling. Now
out of nowhere, a black Hawk helicopter came from behind us.
So the object immediately took off the wash from the helicopter.
We didn't even hear it coming. It's almost like it
just turned on right there in the yard. So I'm
holding onto my hat because of the wash. He's right
up in our face. The spotlight is blinding us. He
took the spotlight away and went up and down the
street with the spotlight, turned around, looked in the yard
next to us, and raised up and took off. So
I told my daughter, I was like, you know, sweetheart,
why don't you make some coffee. The military is going
to be here. We're going to get some help. We're
going to get some answers, you know, finally, And we
stayed up almost all night waiting for a call or
for the military to show up and help us. But
that wasn't the case. I neighbor Debbie, she called me.
She was a porter at Lakeshore Condos just right down
the street, and she went in to change this man's
soap and sheets and clean up a little bit. And
there were pictures of me and the kids all over
his bed. There was a ledger of everything that we
were doing. And so Debbie calls me and she said,
there's a man stocking your family. You need to know
about this, And I said, hang up the phone, go
to the office and get that man's name. You know,
I don't need to creep walking around town taking pictures
of my family. This is not cool. So she called
me up and she said his name is Lieutenant Colonel
dallasy Wood. So I turned that into my investigator, and
my investigator said, Eric, this man worked for the Pentagon
at one time. He's retired now and he passed away
back in twenty fifteen, I think. But there were more
helicopter treatments and stuff like that, and it was more
harassment than it was anything. I had recruiters coming over
that weren't recruiters. My car was bugged, my house was bugged.
We found the devices, and it just it became a
living nightmare. You know, how do you get away from this?
I get out of this. And you know, finally, my daughter,
she got accepted to college in Maine, and I thought
to myself, that's a perfect way out. I can just
go out there, make sure she makes it on her own,
start my life fresh, and put it all behind me,
you know, and get back to a simple life. And
it was a wonderful day dream. I packed up the
car in the middle of the night. We had a
great road trip out there, singing songs and playing games.
And September one, twenty fourteen, I was standing on my
third story back deck talking to my new neighbors and
getting along with them, and I got this feeling Matt
and I knew what it was. I thought this was over.
I turned around. It was going through the park across
the street, came up over the tree line and dipped
down right in front of our third story deck. Our
neighbors were kicking over chairs and pushing each other, trying
to get back in the building and away from this object,
and me and the kids just stood there like, how
is this happening? You know how? But you know at
the time, I ran into Star Wars Support it was
a support group and got with Audrey Hewans. Since Bear
saved my life and coached me through so much of
this stuff, I decided I was going to do the
same thing. I was going to help people because there
is no help. And so I got with her and
we started helping people like ourselves. Now. We did go
to a conference one day, and Audrey's a tough willed woman.
I've always had so much respect for her and her drive.
And she stops walking with me and I'm like, what
are you doing, Audrey, What's going on? And I look
at her and she's staring at Travis Walton and I'm like,
don't stare at it's kind of rude, Audrey. She goes,
that's Travis, and I was like, I'll introduce you to him,
and you know, she said, you know him? Like, yeh,
I know Travis. You know, we're the only two people
on record being knocked down by an orange, you know,
thing with blue energy coming out of it. So naturally
Travis wanted to meet me immediately. So I introduced them
and they're they're falling in love right in front of me.
They just made me sick. But we ended up bringing
Travis home with us, and so he lived with us
for about eight months.
Speaker 3: I want to go back and talk about this Colonel
Wood that was tracking your movements, movements of your family
and whatnot. Were you able to ever confront him yourself?
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't. I wasn't able to. I wasn't sure
if I should. I wanted to report him to the
proper authorities, but who are the proper you know authorities?
Who are these people and these unmarked helicopters? You know,
who are these people that are putting GPS units in
my viha? You know? It turns out working with experiencers
now all over the world, over one hundred and thirty
countries by the way, this scenario where these things become
attracted to you, and it attracts these unofficial officials that
use you as bait. You're you're the bait. What they're
after is those technologies, and so they monitor harass in
some cases, if you start losing your mind, they do
everything they can try to make you more crazy, you know.
And so it's to say that this is happening in
our country. I'm still a disbelief about it. But time
and time again I get calls from people that are
dealing with this for the first time, and it's almost
the exact scenario where these people track what's going on
and then they bring out teams to decide how they're
going to retrieve these objects and technologies.
Speaker 3: For you, what was the most frightening experience of this
entire thing? Was it the government? Was that the NHI
What part of it frightened you the most?
Speaker 2: I think for me and my neighborhood. It was. It
was I can't really say government, people use that term loosely,
but everyone was more scared of those guys. Everybody was
more scared of those guys. You know, some people were
having a wonderful spiritual experience experience, you know, some people
felt love emanating from the craft, you know, but these
harassment types seemed extremely dangerous, and it was scary. I mean,
if you think about it, if a spotlight from one
of those helicopters is on you, that means there's a
fifteen millimeter gun camera aimed at you as well. And
black hawks never leave the ground without live ammunitions, and
this is what's being aimed at my children.
Speaker 3: This object, or whatever you want to call it, did
it leave any sort of physical marks or evidence on
the ground of its presence anything of that nature.
Speaker 2: Radiation, yeah, electromagnetic radiation. My hair started falling out. I
needed glasses because I couldn't see. My eyes were burned.
My face and shoulders looked like a typical sunburn, but
it's stung more. But there was also when Cindy Bailey
Dove came to film things, I would point to the
area and her camera would show up electromagnetic disturbance, so
it left traces behind as well, you know, my hair, eyes, teeth,
you know, skin. You can't fix that, you know, you
just get old and deal with it. But that was,
you know, from the night it knocked me down.
Speaker 3: Were there any other scientists or doctors that you worked
with in addition to Roger Lear so you mentioned he
passed just a couple of weeks before these implants were.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be removed.
Speaker 3: Were you studied by any other scientists or academics after that?
Speaker 2: Well, over time, Bear would send people out, you know,
to gather evidence and take a look at me. It
was definitely clinical. There were some uncomfortable times having pictures
of me naked, you know, just for investigation purposes and
marks and stuff like that. But no physicians that I
know of. Now. Once Uphology heard about me and knew
the case was real, it leaked a little bit and
so they started calling me. We want you at our conference,
you know, we want you to speak. And after a
while I felt I felt like a circus freak, you know,
to get on stage and everybody's smiling, you know, and entertained,
and I can't even tell you what that felt. Like,
but it was degrading. So I turned to science. You know.
I got with one of my clients. He was a
PhD Berkeley candidate and at the time, he was going
through hell. His name is Ray Hernandez. He was a
tax attorney in Florida and he was going through a
very hard time. He introduced me to doctor Edgar Mitchell.
He was Apollo fourteen's you know, six Men on the Moon.
An amazing guy, brilliant, brilliant man. And we would do
nightly talks, you know, about how we're gonna stab at this.
You know, it's it's it's a it's a terrible thing.
So Edgar thought we should do the world's first academic
study into experiences, and we all agreed. And so those
guys they're tasked with, you know, coming up with twenty
PhDs to conduct looking at these things. And my job
was to go through all my clients that I've worked
with in the past and say, hey, need you to
go online take this survey. It's going to help us
out a lot. And it turned out to be a really,
really accurate study, and that gave me ammunition to approach
other PhDs and say, hey, have you are you aware
of this, so I didn't really want to be in uthology.
I wanted to be in science where I can get
some answers, they can get some answers, and so it
kind of became a virus. You know, you get one
guy interested, you feed them all the information you have,
they get even they're scientists or they're curious. But there's
also a huge social stigma that needs to be removed,
and so that's a problem. You know. But I know
a lot of scientists behind the scenes, not funded. But
you know, when the lights are out and the janitor's
mopping the floor, they are, you know, going after it.
They're getting answers. Doctor Jim Sigala really proud of him.
Awesome guy, brilliant man. He invented a thing called the
Moopause machine and it's got three hundred sensors. You put
it in the experiencers home and just leave it there,
look it up to the internet and leave it there
forget about it. And Jim is getting so much data,
you know, with his machine. It's just incredible. So it's
just amazing how brilliant people can just find ways around
the impossible and get the data that they're looking for.
But I've met some incredible people over the years, you know,
when it came to that kind of thing. But I think,
you know, once the stigma is removed, these scientists are
going to come out with an awful lot of data
right off the bat. Now there's a few that just
like doctor Jim Sigalad that really doesn't care. You know,
I've got the data, you know, the heck with the
stigmatism to this. And there's also a gentleman that I
met back in twenty twenty two at a conference where
I went upstairs to give my friend Heidi a hug,
that savant syndrome locked onto him instead, and I began
to have a conversation with him about things I couldn't
possibly know, and things got very deep and very woo woo,
and it blew his mind. And he's been talking about
me on a lot of different radio shows. Doctor Michael P.
Master's anthropology professor. So I don't know if you've heard
about that situation, but it is true. It did happen.
Heidi was there with me, she was involved somehow. But yeah,
you know, the more scientists get their hands on this,
the better it's going to become. There's so many people
like me. You wouldn't believe it. You cannot be in
a crowded grocery store without being in the same room
as an experiencer. And we know how to hide it
where chameleons. A lot of times our spouses don't even know.
But my case seems to be a little bit different
because everything was out in the open.
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: You say you got a call from a man you'll
only call Bob, and you've described him as an intelligence figure,
sort of like a smoking man from X files.
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? How did he find you? And
what kind of stuff did he tell you?
Speaker 2: Myself, Travis Audrey, the Aligash Twins, some of the biggest
cases in America. He would contact and give us information. Now,
at the time I was in touch with this scientist.
His name was Joseph Bermache at INTERNASA. His company was
called International Academy of Science and Arts, and we were
talking about his prototype free energy prototype and at the
time Bob wanted to have a meeting, so we met
in Vermont at a cottage Jim Wiener the Aligash Twins
his house, and we shared pictures, showed videos. Bob was
upset that a fourteen million dollar plane and a four
million dollar camera could not get better pictures than us.
And I told him, I said, you know, there's a
difference between chasing these things and these things chasing you.
You can get better you know, footage that way. And
we had a great time. And he said, the reason
why I brought you guys here is because next year
at the New York Times, there's going to be an
article that's going to kick off disclosure. And he said,
you guys have a responsibility of being in the picture
because he's heard discussions where they're not going to say
that we exist, that we suffer, that we live here,
we pay taxes, and we're just going to get swept
under the ruck. And so, you know, Travis is getting older.
Audrey was she has permanent brain damage. She was taken
out of the picture.
Speaker 1: Gosh.
Speaker 2: I was sitting four feet away from her watching TV
and she started saying out out out and I'm thinking
she loves her cats. I thought maybe a cat would
scratch the back of her hair or something, you know.
But I looked over and in real time I saw
her face turn pink, then red, then bright red, and
then the skin rapidly peeling on the thin skin around
her eyes, in her ears, and I had no idea
what to do, how to help her. I didn't know
what was going on. I didn't find out till years
later that there are weapons that can literally microwave a
human being. And so not too long after that, Audrey
had a couple of black SuDS behind her on black eyes.
In Maine. You don't do that, It's just dangerous. And
I told her twin sister to go out to the
highway and have Audrey follow her home safely, so it
should be okay. I was out of state at the time.
There's nothing I could do. And her sister found her
car completely totaled, and Audrey was sitting in the street,
completely catatonic. Her eyes wouldn't even respond to light. She
spent eight months in a mental health facility. They fed
her through a tube, and after eight months she started
to speak in rhymes and riddles and nothing made sense
to anyone. They called me. Her and I were so
close that I could finish her sentences, you know, And
so I was able to decipher a lot of things
that she was saying. But she does not remember to
this day what happened to her, what happened to her
brain or anything. Not too long after that, she was
in the hospital. I know this sounds like a sci
fi movie, but this is true. This is my life.
Two people dressed up as police officers went into her
room and beat her beyond belief. They had to rebuild
her shoulder and multiple surgeries. And I don't think these
two men wherever found. But Audrey had a conference experience
your speak every year. A lot of people know her.
A lot of people when you apology knew her, and
she was a pillar in what little community we had.
And it was just terrifying to see what they would
do to such a big hearted human being.
Speaker 1: What do you think the purpose was?
Speaker 3: Was it too intimidate her from speaking any further experiences?
If you were to guess, what was the reason for that.
Speaker 2: At the time, we were getting a lot of a
lot of that type of harassment. I ended up with
microtoxin poisoning in my blood and it was killing me.
The doctor said there's no treatment and you have a
very small chance of survival. You know, around the same time,
so I think whoever these people are wanted us to
shut up. We were We were doing things. We were
doing a lot of things, and we were also digging
into some names that we probably shouldn't have been digging into,
but it was out of curiosity, you know, about the
cover up and why things have to be the way
they are. You know, why why can't we be accepted
into everyday society. Why do we have to keep our
struggling to ourselves, you know, and just pretend everything's okay.
It's not right, it's just not right. But back to Bob,
he told us all about this, and if you followed
the story now in Nevada with INTERNACA International Academy of
Science and Arts, there were some people in the CIA
that was trying to make Joseph Fermage popular for the
for the release. That's the team that's going to show
the world that UFOs exist. They got rid of him
and they picked up Tom DeLong and because he was
already popular, and it became TTSA two the Stars of
Academy of Science and Arts. So the name changed a
little bit, but the plan was still there underway. And
you know the rest of the story, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Sure sure.
Speaker 3: And the names that you mentioned earlier that that you
shouldn't have dug into as far as as far as
you know, can you say who those names were that
you were digging into?
Speaker 2: The aviary, the aquariums, the working group. There was quite
a few people in there, a lot of counter intelligence,
a lot of people that are retired and should not
be acting on American people on an official, you know,
basis at all. I believe that's very, very illegal.
Speaker 3: And the harassment do you think it was coming from
the government or private contractors? What is your sort of
hypothesis on who where those assets were coming from.
Speaker 2: I personally can't say for sure, but I can surmise
that it's private industry that hires retired special forces in
CIA to do their bidding. And you know, a lot
of these people can't adjust back to a normal life,
they can't debrief for decommission, so they take these jobs
to live that same type of lifestyle. And these technologies
are most likely priceless. So getting your hands on that
stuff would be a payday for sure. So it would
make obstacles like me look like nothing.
Speaker 3: You've said something striking that hundreds of your interviews and
talks have been scrubbed off of the Internet or taken down.
Speaker 1: Tell us about.
Speaker 2: That, well, yeah, I've done over four hundred interviews. I've
done one hundred interviews just with my lead investigator. I've
done I think like twenty six public talks, just the
majority of all that's been deleted from the Internet. This
Google search engine shows its algorithm, and I've never looked
up by anyone on Google at all, you know. So
I talked to my friend science Bob about that. He said, Eric,
the only people that can actually do that is in
the NSA. So my YouTube channel went down. I was
interviewing a lot of scientists and investigators and stuff like that,
really good, really good stuff, you know, for the public,
to kind of make it easy for folks to look
at the subject in a scientific manner instead of some
sort of sci fi movie, you know.
Speaker 3: And I would imagine that all of this has come
to had some kind of financial cost for yourself personally.
Speaker 1: Is that the case?
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely absolutely, you know, moving around picking what job
I can find. You know, I could have pursued so much,
but I just couldn't. You know, survival is key, it's
number one. So yeah, financially put me in destitution, you know. Now,
I've never used this subject to try to make money.
You know, I could have taken the popular route and
said yes to all the radio shows and yes to
all the public talks and set up some sort of mechanism,
but that just made me feel wrong.
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine having gone through what you know,
the experiences that you've had, but really appreciate you coming
on the show and sharing this. Is there any other
part of your story that you haven't shared or that
I haven't asked about that you would like to address
or bring up.
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of fascinating things, but one that's
really fascinating to me is working with other experiences worldwide,
you know, to get to know the cultures in Japan,
you know, I've been talking to some of their government
officials about their disclosure and so they're pushing forward slowly
but surely. But all the other cultures and people you
get to meet, different religion it's different, you know, everything,
but there's still an exact match of every other experience
where I've met. So it's become very fascinating and it's
alleviating for me too in a way to know there's
that many of us out there, you know, and when
you wake up in the morning and you think about
the world we live in, you know, and that all
of this is going on but nobody is going to
say anything just blows my mind, you know, it's just surreal.
But I'm going to continue helping people like myself to
the day I die, and hopefully we can get some
more help out there, because we have a higher suicide
rate than servicemen and women that come home from more.
So it's a heavy hearted thing to know, but it's
also fascinating that we could be classified scientifically, but it's
not been done yet.
Speaker 3: Thanks again for joining us, and best of luck to you.
And I'm super happy that you're out there supporting other
experiencers and because yeah, I again can't even imagine what
it must be like dealing with this kind of stuff,
So I really appreciate your bravery and your willingness to
help your fellow experiencers.
Speaker 2: I do have a independent social network, nothing but experiencers
in there. If somebody out there is hurting, if you
need to just compare notes or meet new people like yourself,
contact me. I'll screen you and get you in there
as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: Fantastic.
Speaker 3: We'll put a link to that in the YouTube description
so people can find you so thanks again for joining us,
and again thanks for sharing this really kind of horrific experience.
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on Matt.
Speaker 3: Folks, if you enjoyed our interview with Eric Mitchell, you're
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