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Speaker 2: And I think it was around four o'clock in the morning.

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right shoulder was facing the dead end street, and I

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saw an orange glow at the corner of my eye.

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So I turned to look, and just off the street

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there was a forty foot in diameter orange spear, just

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marbling like the sun.

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Speaker 1: But the lights in the sky were never the part

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that scared him.

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Speaker 2: I went outside. It was Halloween, the younger kids were

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just starting to go out and trigger treat. I saw

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a kid in an alien costume at the end of

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my building. This was not a kid. I could not

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fathom that this was a being in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Then it came back, and this time it spoke through

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his daughter.

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Speaker 2: And I looked down at my daughter and she's pulling

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on my shirt. She said, Daddy, he wants to meet you.

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Speaker 1: And every time it happened, someone was watching.

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Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, black hawk helicopter came from behind us.

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Wash from the helicopter. We didn't even hear it coming.

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It's almost like it just turned on right there in

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the yard. The spotlight is blinding us.

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Speaker 3: So who sends an unmarked black Hawk helicopter the second

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a craft shows up over a family's home.

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Speaker 1: Let's find out. Everyone. Welcome to the Good Trouble Show.

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I'm Matt Ford.

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Speaker 3: Our guest today is a self described Darkansas redneck, a hunter,

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a single father of I and by his own account,

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just about the last person on earth who wanted any

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of this to be true. He is the subject of

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the documentary Experiencer. He's going to tell you about the

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night everything changed. But the part that stayed with me

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the most was what he said happened next, that the

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aliens were never the part that scared him. The part

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that scared him was the people who showed up after Now,

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what you believe about what showed up in the sky

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that night, it is up to you. What he says

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his government did to his family afterward, well that's a

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different question entirely, and it is the one I could

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not let go of.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome Eric Mitchell. Eric, How are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: Doing great? My friend? How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm very well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for joining us on the show. This

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is your first time on the show, and you know

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I know a little bit about your story. We've spoken

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previously where you kind of gave me some of the background.

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about yourself, where you grew up that sort of thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in Arkansas, very simple guy, simple life,

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very simple education. I did not believe in anything paranormal

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at all, you know. I just grew up in one

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of those families where nobody ever talked about that stuff

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and if people do, they must be crazy. So it

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really jilted it so into my life where it gave

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me a complete new worldview going into this. You know,

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it was a single dad. I moved into a small

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apartment after a divorce, you know, just so it was affordable.

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right shoulder was facing the dead end street, and I

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saw an orange glow at the corner of my eye.

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So I turned to look, and just off the street

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there was a forty foot in diameter orange spear, just

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marbling like the sun, rippling like water, and it was stationary,

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and I had no idea what I was looking at.

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Speaker 1: Together about what time of the day was this was?

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I may have missed that.

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Speaker 2: It was almost four point thirty in the morning, okay,

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And I stared at this thing for about twenty minutes,

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decided it was some kind of weird optical illusion and

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went inside, made coffee and turned on the news to

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see if there was any strange weather phenomenon going on.

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I mean, this thing was forty feet in diameter. It's

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really big. So I left the door open and kind

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of leaned on my couch where I can look outside,

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and it stayed there. So I figured, you know, my

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son comes up, I'm going to get a good look

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at and laugh at myself.

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Speaker 3: What motivated you to go outside? Was this just kind

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of part of your morning routine? What made you go

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outside and to have a look at what, you know,

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what was going on?

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Speaker 2: I had no idea. I literally went to bed that

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night and I woke up standing outside of my front door.

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I had no idea how I got there. It did

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bother me the thought of sleepwalking outside. You know, I

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could get run over or hurt or something like that.

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Speaker 3: There, and you know, and you mentioned that you were

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pretty much a hard skeptic, that UFOs or anything of

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that nature. That wasn't something that ever kind of came

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up in your family growing up, or did you read

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UFO books or anything like that as a kid, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely nothing like that. As a matter of fact,

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I never looked at the subject. You know, that was

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for crazy people in my mind back then. I regret

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it now. But no, nothing like that, no interest whatsoever.

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Speaker 3: And was there anything that was strange that occurred the night.

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Speaker 2: Before, Not that I'm aware of. Now. It's just a

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normal Pixar film with the kids, homework, dinner, tuck everybody

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and go to sleep myself. And the next thing I know,

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I'm standing outside, going what's going on here? You know?

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Speaker 3: Overy strength and your kids they were still in bed.

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Speaker 3: And and this this giant orb, did it emit any

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kind of sound or anything of that nature.

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Speaker 2: No, it was completely silent. It was completely stationary as well.

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movement was it kind of rippled like water. If you

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were like to look at the sun. It had a

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rippling effect. But the funny thing, and what bothered me

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the most, is that here's this giant ball of light

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and it should be illuminating that, you know, the dow

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on the on the street, It should be illuminating the

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whole neighborhood. But it was self contained. There was no

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light emanating off of this, So it got more confusing

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Speaker 3: It, Like, looking back, do you do you find it

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odd that you decided to just kind of go back

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inside and watch TV. You hear often and I think

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they call it sort of an inappropriate reaction where two

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people will see a UFO and look at it and

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then they'll go inside and order a pizza and not

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thinking think anything of it. Looking back to you, do

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you think your reaction to it that first time was

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a little bit out of the ordinary for yourself, not

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with my eyebrows almost almost touching each other, thinking what

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the heck is this? You know, and you know, when

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you can't identify something like that, you kind of go

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through every probability and possibility that you can. So I

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determined that it was an optical illusion because it couldn't

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be anything else. You know, in my mind, a UFO

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was a saucer on a fishing string in a nineteen

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fifties movie, you know, So it never crossed my mind

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that it could be, you know, a UFO.

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you go back in to watch TV.

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Speaker 1: Then what happens.

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Speaker 2: Well, I waited for the sun to come up, and

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then I was going to go outside and find out

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what this optical illusions made out of. Maybe some broken

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glass and light bouncing off of it. You know, I

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just tried to rationalize something that wasn't rational. By the

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time the sun did come up, I went straight to

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the door and it was gone, completely gone. I didn't

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hear it leave or anything.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And that day, did you talk to any of

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your neighbors? Did any of them say, hey, do you

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see see anything weird in the sky or anything of

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Speaker 2: Not that particular day, I stayed confused at work. Normally,

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and making sure everybody's okay. But you know, that day

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was still and I don't know why it kept me confused.

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would have been okay. But I did have that reaction

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where it lingered in my mind all day long, whereas

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why couldn't I stop thinking about it? But that was

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an odd reaction for sure. But you know, I got

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home and I remember picking up dinner and thinking about

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reading a science magazine that talked about ball lightning years ago,

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and I decided that had to have been it, you know.

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them to bed, and I went out for my nightly

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smoke that very day. It was about nine thirty at night.

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mind goes back there, the initial blow is still, you know,

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bothering me to this day. But I was pacing the

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one story apartment and I kept looking up at that area,

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slowly turned all the way on to forty feet in diameter.

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flashing all the way on, all the way off, and

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it began to move about two miles an hour, flashing

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at me. It made a horseshoe shape around my body.

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was intelligently control. I felt a very strong presence, and

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so as my body's turning. Now I'm facing my one

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story apartment, and it's just over my apartment. It's about

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maybe fifteen feet from my head. This thing flashed twice

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and took off as fast as a bullet. You would

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expect a sonic boom. You would expect the air displacement

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to even rip me apart. My legs locked up like

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a scared goat. You know, I couldn't move my legs,

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and I finally actually duck walked back into my apartment.

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laptop because I hadn't owned one at the time. I

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was twenty thirteen ways back, but all I could find

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was conspiracy theories and area fifty one and you know,

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just stuff I just didn't believe, and I needed a

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real answer, a rational answer, and finally finally got a

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nap and went to work the next morning. Now, the

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very next day I came home from work. My car

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was overheating. My buddy Dan, he spent two terms at

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Bright Patterson Air Force Base, four year terms, and he

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lived just across from me, helping me look at the car,

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and it was the water pump, you know, bad luck.

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brought me out of beer, and I put the beer

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on the top of my car, and he was bragging

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about his wife's dinner that she was making and she

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was an amazing cook, and he began to go back

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into his apartment to eat. I reached back to reach

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for that beer, because darn it, I needed one with

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that water pump. And I stepped back and I was

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tying on I was standing on my own shoelace, so

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it untied my shoe. I'm thinking, great, what next, right,

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shoe and I start to feel this like vibration, light

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vibration on the top of my head. Within seconds, It's

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like if you've ever been in a rock and roll

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concert and you feel that vibration hit your chest. If

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you can imagine that by a million times aimed at

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your head. I went the rest of the way to

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the ground. I felt as if a magnet was pushing

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me down and back and forth. I was literally scooting

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back and forth as if I was a metal object.

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I was throwing up is that my throat would open

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for a long period of time and close, so I

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as I could off the ground because I felt a

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sensation coming from directly above me, and it was this

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object that was over my head. Years later I spoke

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to Dan, and him and a friend of his actually

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saw it happen, and they said there was a pencil

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beam blue light that came straight down and hit me

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in the head and stayed there for a while. They

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were scared. They ran. I don't blame them, but that

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it was terrible. I don't know. At some point it

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was nighttime. It shouldn't have been. I was looking around

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like a scared rodent because my first thought is to

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jump off the concrete and get to my front door,

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but instead you just go into hypervigilant mode. I was

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looking around for movement, for sound, for anything. I know

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how fast this thing is, and I believed at the

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time it tried to kill me. So I stayed there

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on the concrete for quite a while, assessing my area

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and how fast I was going to run once my

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body actually could move. But I got into the apartment.

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I went into the bathroom to throw up again, and

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I felt that cold floor, you know, and I didn't

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realize how overheated I was, and so I just laid

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down on the cold floor and passed out. So it

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wasn't alcohol induced. I didn't get to that beer, but

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I just lost consciousness. The next morning, I woke up

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around five point thirty am, and I had blood and

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vomit all over my clothes. I apologized to your audience,

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but I don't want to be, you know, too graphic,

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But I just got into the bath to close and

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all and laid there into the water. The hot water

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Speaker 1: All right, back to the interview.

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Speaker 3: Now, you spoke a minute ago about your friends that

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saw this and ran off.

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Speaker 1: Were these neighbors of yours? How did they.

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Speaker 3: Come to witness this whole thing?

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Speaker 2: My friend Dan, he lived if you open my door,

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he's directly the apartment right across from me. So we

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talked to each other every single day. It was a

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very small neighborhood at about twenty apartments, maybe twenty five,

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so everybody knew everybody. You know, we do birthday parties

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and barbecues and things of that nature. So I knew

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Dan quite well. We had been friends for quite a while.

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Speaker 1: You get sick from this experience, you throw up.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's blood involved, and this was I apologize

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if I missed it. What sort of time of day

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was this that this that this particular incident occurred.

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Speaker 2: It's a little confusing for me. It started around five

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point thirty, but it was it was dark once I

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got back inside, so there was a little bit of

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a time confusion there for me. I know, trauma can

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cause those kinds of things. Maybe it was something else,

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but I was definitely traumatized. Next morning, once I changed

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into dry clothes, I got some cranberry juice because I

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was a little thirsty. But once the liquid hit my lips,

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I had no idea how thirsty I was. I was

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spilling it all over my clothes and I was just

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trying to get as much in me as possible. So

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I was obviously pretty dehydrated at the time, and it

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seemed like my thoughts were racing, and I thought I

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was having my first panic attack. You know, I've heard

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about them. I've always been a laid back, simple guy,

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so I've never experienced one. But it was the beginning

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precursor to Savon syndrome.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that morning you wake up, do you decide

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to go to a doctor the emergency room? What are

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you doing at that point after having this sounds like

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pretty pretty terrifying experience.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, I wanted to go to the emergency room

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with everything I am, but at the time of divorce

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and custody battle and things of that nature, you don't

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want to walk into a hospital and tell them a

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giant light had struck you down to the grounds.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: It sounds absolutely insane to any physician out there at

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the time. Anyway, it's becoming more normal now, but I

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decided I wasn't going to go. I didn't have any

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insurance anyway, and times were tight, times were hard, so

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I just decided that, you know, maybe maybe I've got

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a brain tumor maybe I had a stroke. You know,

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maybe I have an one, you know, a late onset

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type of mental illness, and none of this is real

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and I'm just perfectly fine. I tried to rationalize all

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of it because I didn't have time for anything irrational

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in my life. You know. It was kids, work, homework, bed,

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you know, keep it simple and keep my home steady.

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You know, my kids deserved at least one parent that's

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going to be there all the time. So that was

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my major focus.

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Speaker 3: And were there other people besides your two friends that

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witnessed this.

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes. Over time, almost nightly, this object would come back.

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It would literally come down into the yard or very

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close to it, and it began to scare people. It

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frightened a lot of people. Some people immediately started moving.

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People in town started hearing about it, and rows of

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cars would show up at night with loads of people,

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you know, wanting to see this object. I live in

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the Bible Belt, so a lot of people were saying

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I was calling the devil down from the sky. Okay,

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So I got a lot of ridicule. And every time

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I'd go to the grocery store or in town, I've

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got a lot of bad looks. But it was it

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was ongoing for for quite some time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And you know, so you have all these people

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that that you know, that saw this thing. Did anybody

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call the police or anything to come out and look

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at it, look at it or you see what was

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going on?

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Speaker 2: The police were called once and at the time I

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regretted not doing it myself, but someone called the cops. Uh.

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Two officers got out of the squad car. They looked

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at the crowd, they looked up at this object, they

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looked at each other. They got back in the squad car,

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and they left. No paperwork was ever done on it.

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So there's literally no safety there. And at the time,

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I was going through Facebook looking for anybody that knew

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anything about the paranormal first time, you know, reaching out

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or looking into it, and I found one move On

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investigator that kind of blew us all off. You know.

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I got nineteen witnesses together and he never answered the phone,

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you know, and the next day just a snide attitude

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over what was going on. So luckily I found very

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gaunt Kentucky State director move On, and you know, I

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told him, you know, I need help, you know, something

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is going on here, And that was a that was

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a four hour conversation. He realized at the time that

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this was pretty drastic, so he sent out Indy Bailey

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Dove from Arkansas. Moved on and she was extremely nervous

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investigating what was going on. You know, she talked all

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the witnesses. Now, I did have all kinds of equipment problems.

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She couldn't get any of her cameras to work, and

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they were all fully charged. So she lent my daughter

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lent her a camera, and she was able to start

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conducting interviews and finding out what's going on, electromagnetic field disturbances,

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possibly everything you can think of. She after thirty years

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of investigations, you could tell she was very shaken, and

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that bothered me as well.

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Speaker 1: Did she ever see the object?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it was. It was far enough away where

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you can quite possibly say drone. But if it was

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a groan, it was huge, you know, and the wrong color.

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But so she couldn't get her percent make but she

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did say that that thing is not supposed to be there.

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That's very strange. So, like I said, she was extremely

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nervous about this particular case.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So so this orange object appears a bunch of

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nights in a row at what point do you think

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that you were abducted?

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Speaker 1: Lead talk, you know us, bring us to that point.

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Speaker 2: I I talked to Barry, we call him Bear, big Guy,

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big Heart. Did tell me it's a possibility that I

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would be abducted, and that was just too absurd for me, Matt.

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I couldn't wrap my brain around the possibility of that

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being true forever happening. So it really didn't bother my

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thought process at all. I wasn't worried about that. One morning,

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I woke up to my daughter screaming, and I was

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on the couch at the time with a loaded thirty

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eight under my pillow, because if anything came through my

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front door, you know, I can protect the children. I

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ran into her bedroom. She had her mouth open and

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her tongue was moving like she was trying to scream again,

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but she couldn't, And so I ran up to her

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and I looked at her arms, and they had hundreds

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of holes. If you can imagine a hole in skin

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that's big enough to fit an entire rain drop, you

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know in it, if you can imagine hundreds of those

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from the shoulder cuff to the elbow, hundreds looking like

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a honeycomb, but skin. The skin was so dehydrated that

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she wasn't bleeding or overpussing or anything like that, but

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it was just the mutilation was so shocking for me.

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I couldn't imagine what was going on. And she took

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her little finger because I was panicking, ask her, what's happening,

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what's going on? What bit you? Do? You have bugs?

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What's going on? And she pointed her little finger out

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and touched my arm. And that's when I look down

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and realized I had the same thing. And I rushed

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her to the pediatrician. I golfed the guy. You know,

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he'd been a pediatrician for over thirty years, and I

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trusted him, and he said, Eric, I have no idea

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what's going on here. These aren't bug bites, This is

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not a rash, this is not a dermatology issue. He

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did tell us to get some vitamin E oil to

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help with the scarring. If anything persisted, get you know,

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back a hold of him, and you know, we can

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see a dermatologist about what could possibly be going on.

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The Next day, going through this Savon syndrome, my son

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was pouring cereal and it was extremely loud. My auditory

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was picking up everything, and so I sat up black

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asleep sun. Couldn't you be quiet, I'm trying to sleep here.

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And I saw a triangle looked like someone had taken

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a razor blade and just cut a triangle of skin

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out of his forehead. So I jumped up and I said, son,

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you bumped your head. You must have been sleepwalking. You're hurt.

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And I walked him into the bathroom splashed it with

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cold water hydrogen peroxide, and he looked up in the

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mirror and looked at me. He said, Dad, look at

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your head too. And I thought, there's no way we

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could both sleep walk and bang our heads and the

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same marking. You know, that doesn't make any sense. So

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I said, hold on to the counter. I'll be right back,

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don't move. And I went into his sister's room, pulled

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over the blankets and she had the same exact thing

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on her forehead as well. So I got a hold

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of Bear and talk to him about it. And there

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are if you get a good enough ev light, there's

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a blue, orange or green undelible dye. You can't wash

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it off. It wears off after four to six weeks

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or so. And you can check your body in the

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dark to see if there's any remnants left over after

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these scenarios, and the majority of the time you're going

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to find those sub substances. It's a medical dye that

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doesn't come off easy. So that's also frightening to see

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that kind of evidence in something you couldn't possibly believe.

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It takes a long time to get over that, and

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it's really hard.

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Speaker 3: How long were these did these wounds persist? How long

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did it take for them to heal or disappear?

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Speaker 2: After about a month they would they would kind of

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burst open and bleed during the summertime, dead heat and

478
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arc and saw. We were wearing long sleeved shirts to

479
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:07,119
cover everything up. You know, I didn't want people asking

480
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,240
me questions that I couldn't answer, and so I would

481
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:14,200
have to bring a change of clothes everywhere, so if

482
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,920
one would burst open, I could change my clothes then

483
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,359
go on about my day. But it took it took

484
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,759
a long time to heal. The scars are really prominent

485
00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:27,279
still to this day after fourteen years.

486
00:28:27,519 --> 00:28:31,039
Speaker 3: So did you see a doctor about what had happened

487
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:33,960
to you in terms of the the you know, these

488
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,480
wounds or whatever you want to call them.

489
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,319
Speaker 2: I did not know. I, Like I said, I didn't

490
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:46,079
have insurance, right, no real play money. You know, I

491
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,480
wasn't going to go to the doctor for myself, but

492
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,359
of course the kids are our number one priority, so

493
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,799
I made sure that they got checked out. This poor

494
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:59,319
doctor was extremely confused. He's just never seen anything like

495
00:28:59,359 --> 00:28:59,880
it before.

496
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 3: At what point did you see sort of non non

497
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:11,200
human intelligence, you know, beings whatever you want to call them.

498
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:16,279
Speaker 2: The first one I went outside, it was it was

499
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:20,920
Halloween day and the younger kids were just starting to

500
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,559
go out and trigg or treat. My son was just

501
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,440
leaving the house, and I went outside with them, you know,

502
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,279
just to let them know, safety precautions. Don't you getting

503
00:29:31,359 --> 00:29:34,400
candy until I check it, you know, normal you normal

504
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,279
dad stuff. And I saw a kid in an alien

505
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:42,119
costume at the end of my building. And at this point,

506
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,200
all of our neighbors know what there's something going on,

507
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,279
and I thought it was, you know, a bit of

508
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,960
a spoof for one of the parents to put one

509
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,119
of the kids in an alien costume. So I'm smiling

510
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,119
and walking up because I want to see which kid

511
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,799
this is, you know, And the closer I got to it,

512
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,839
it was standing right in the the tree line. The

513
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:06,480
more I realized this comment, this costume is extremely prominent.

514
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:09,640
You can see the collarbone, you can see the little

515
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:15,319
black veins. This was not a kid. And I knelt

516
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:19,279
down in front of it, mostly because my knees stopped working.

517
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:27,720
It was just I could not fathom that this was

518
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,359
a being in front of me. And it made a

519
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,240
little bit of a gargling sound looking at me, and

520
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,720
then it stepped a couple of steps back into the woods,

521
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,319
and that was my moment to get away, you know,

522
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,440
to back up and get the heck out of there.

523
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,160
And as I was running back toward my children, my

524
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,960
son was at a bad vantage point to see it,

525
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,240
but my daughter saw it just fine, and she actually

526
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,799
drew a picture of it, and I didn't know she

527
00:30:57,839 --> 00:30:59,920
could draw that well, but I guess that kind of

528
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,000
burnt into her mind. That's something you you can't forget.

529
00:31:06,119 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 3: Did you have any kind of hear any sort of

530
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,039
like communication from it other than the gurgling, any thoughts

531
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,960
in your head, any anything of that nature.

532
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 2: No, nothing like that. It was just like a gurgling,

533
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:24,480
popping sound coming from its throat, and I was just frightening.

534
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:27,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that had to be. So how did your

535
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,799
kids react to that?

536
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,279
Speaker 3: When you go you run back into the into the

537
00:31:32,279 --> 00:31:35,200
your apartment, and then what happens.

538
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: They were standing outside, so they saw it happen. They

539
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,480
were My son didn't catch it from his vanish point,

540
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,480
but like I said, my daughter caught it really well.

541
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,519
And she was just in shock. She said, Dad, She

542
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:53,519
kept repeating, Dad, that was real, That was real. And

543
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,240
I said, I know, sweetie.

544
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,319
Speaker 1: Talk about your kind of state of mind after this.

545
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: See you walk, you know, you go back to your

546
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:02,680
your apartment and you're talking to your daughter.

547
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,799
Speaker 1: What is going through your head?

548
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,039
Speaker 2: I was hoping that I was insane, you know. I

549
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:14,440
was hoping that this is not real. My brain, Matt

550
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,519
fought it every step of the way. I wasn't the

551
00:32:16,599 --> 00:32:19,279
type of guy to believe this stuff. You know. I'm

552
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,200
the last person to pick up a UFO book. You know,

553
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,359
I've got better things to do, like fishing and just

554
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,799
being a redneck in Arkansas, living a simple life. And

555
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,759
so my brain really couldn't accept any of this at all,

556
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:36,200
you know, And I thought it, you know, every step

557
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,519
of the way. And I couldn't even really tell you

558
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:43,039
the point of acceptance in totality. Maybe one little piece

559
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:47,160
at a time I could consume and try to wrap

560
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,240
my head around. But it took a long time for

561
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,559
me just to accept the fact that I'm an experiencer.

562
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,359
Speaker 3: And you talk about developing this savant syndrome. Is what

563
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,200
is savant syndrome? For those people? I have no idea

564
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,720
what it means.

565
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: It's it's very rare. A lot of times someone will

566
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,680
sustain a head injury and instead of it causing brain damage,

567
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,119
it wakes up areas of the brain and it could

568
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:20,400
be a very difficult life after that. There's people that

569
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,839
can just sit in front of a piano for the

570
00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,920
first time and and you know, play amazing music, or

571
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
all of a sudden, be really proficient at math out

572
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:36,200
of nowhere. There's rare cases out there, but they are

573
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:40,480
They are pretty fascinating. You know. I called my investigator

574
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:46,160
a couple of days into this and, you know, saying, hey, bear,

575
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:48,319
you know, I've got some stuff for you. The kids had,

576
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,400
you know, writting some things down, and he's saying, who

577
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,039
is this And I said it's Eric. He said, no,

578
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:57,640
it's not, and I was like, yeah, it's me. He said, Eric,

579
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,839
where's your accent? Why are you talking so fast? Why?

580
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,559
He was baffled, like what is going on here? You know,

581
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:07,720
I literally had to prove to him it was me,

582
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,280
because it was just like literally talking to a different person,

583
00:34:12,599 --> 00:34:15,719
a much smarter person. And for me, it was very

584
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,400
difficult because I didn't know how to adjust, you know,

585
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,920
to this rapid fire brain. You know. So that was another,

586
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,519
you know, huge thing to learn how to accept, and

587
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,199
that took that took years.

588
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 3: Did this like just kind of turn on like a

589
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,159
switch or did it sort of slowly? Was there like

590
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:38,920
a kind of slow onset of it.

591
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a couple of days where I thought

592
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,280
it was a steady panic attack, and to this day

593
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,760
I still have never had a panic attack. But you know,

594
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,960
that's what my thoughts were, that my brain, which was

595
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,960
racing from fear and confusion and everything will settle down eventually.

596
00:34:56,039 --> 00:34:58,199
But that didn't turn out to be the case.

597
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:02,159
Speaker 3: This encounter with a being on Halloween, I take it

598
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,440
that there were other encounters with this being or what

599
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:10,480
else happened to you in relation to abduct The whole

600
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:11,400
abduction thing.

601
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,119
Speaker 2: Well, the whole time this object was coming back, I

602
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,199
could be in the middle of doing anything and I

603
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,039
would drop what I was doing walk straight to the door,

604
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,360
and I knew exactly where to look. It's almost as

605
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,039
if I knew, I was feeling that it was there.

606
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:34,800
I can't really explain that, but a lot of people

607
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,239
say I just thought to look up and there it was.

608
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,599
I mean, it's part of the phenomenon, not just me exclusively.

609
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,000
But there was an occasion where I was walking to

610
00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,280
the door randomly and the kids knew to grab their

611
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,760
cameras when they see me do that. And instead of

612
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,960
looking up, I looked straight forward and it was dark,

613
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,320
but you can see it standing there, you know, And

614
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,320
I thought, this has got to be some light bouncing

615
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,079
off of a trash can or something. It can't be real.

616
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,280
So instead of walking straight to it, I kind of

617
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,159
did like a half moon walk to get a better

618
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,000
vantage point. Before you know it, walked up to it

619
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:15,719
and I looked down at my daughter and she's pulling

620
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,039
on my shirt. She said, Daddy, he wants to meet you.

621
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,960
And I said stay here, you know, and she was

622
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,239
filming on her on her phone, and I did a

623
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,760
half moon walk, and once I get about ten feet

624
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,519
away from it, my whole body just stiffened. Like, this

625
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:39,440
is this thing just blinked. I was kind of frozen

626
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,760
for a second. It jerked its arm really fast, and

627
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,840
that movement sent me into fight or flight. So I'm

628
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,760
running toward my daughter. She's yelling, Daddy, no, he wants

629
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,159
to meet you. She was really emotional about that, and

630
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:57,480
she wouldn't go in the house. So I threw her

631
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,280
up over my shoulder and ran inside and locked the

632
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,280
dead bolts. But that was the second time I've seen

633
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,559
one of these beings, if you will.

634
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,679
Speaker 3: And was this the same high as the one that

635
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,159
you thought was a kid in a Halloween costume?

636
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,639
Speaker 2: No, this one was a lot taller. It was maybe

637
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,440
five and a half feet tall.

638
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: Okay, But then did it have a similar face.

639
00:37:24,159 --> 00:37:29,159
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, very similar what people would portray as grays

640
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:32,440
on television, you know those silly you know, sci fi movies.

641
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: Okay, And so see you go back in, Yeah, throw

642
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,119
your daughter off your shoulder, going close the dead bolt.

643
00:37:41,199 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: What happens after that.

644
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: Well, you know twenty thirteen, and you know, mental health

645
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,360
people will tell you this as well, Trauma in, trauma out,

646
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,079
you know, in twenty thirteen. For me, the entire timeline

647
00:37:58,119 --> 00:38:01,320
bounces all over the place because trauma doesn't allow you

648
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:06,719
to kind of kind of iron everything through the next

649
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,920
one is a bit confusing. I went to go outside.

650
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,079
I looked up and I didn't see anything, which was strange.

651
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,360
I'm thinking, what's going on. I get this right every

652
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,679
single time. You know, it's almost a little game for me.

653
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,920
After a while, you know, to pinpoint exactly where it's at.

654
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,880
And I realized that the light of a star had

655
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,760
just bent around the edge of something. And I kind

656
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,840
of looked around and I realized there was a black

657
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:41,920
triangle above my house, above me, and it it was huge.

658
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,239
It was a size of maybe a football field. Had

659
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,960
a neighbor down the street. I heard him scream out.

660
00:38:49,079 --> 00:38:52,480
He was an older gentleman, never really met him in person,

661
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,159
scream out, honey, and go get my gun. And I

662
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,519
look over and he's in his yard and he's looking

663
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,119
up at this thing. She's running out. She's running out

664
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:07,760
to hand him the shotgun. He grabbed his chest and

665
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,920
he went to his knees. Now, Matt, I'm the type

666
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,159
of guy if somebody's in trouble, I'm going to get

667
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,840
to that person and get them help. I don't care

668
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,320
who it is. You know I'm that guy. Some people

669
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,119
are stand around people. They won't, you know, intervene at all.

670
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,239
But in my mind, I'm going to get him an ambulance,

671
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,760
make sure he's okay, elevate his head, elevate his feet,

672
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,519
see if he's conscious. You know, all the basic thoughts.

673
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,519
But I woke up the next morning and I don't

674
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:40,519
remember anything of that night. And I found out later

675
00:39:40,599 --> 00:39:43,679
on that that man passed away from a heart attack.

676
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,960
And you know, I always think, how did I get

677
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,360
to bed that night? How did I not run to

678
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,519
this man and help him. There's just a big blank

679
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:59,280
spot in my in my memory. He choked me up.

680
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,800
A little bit years later, this lady was having an

681
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,719
estate sale. She was going into the nursing home, and

682
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,360
I went to see what they had for sale and

683
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,519
met with his wife and I told her, I said,

684
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,239
I was there that night when your husband passed away.

685
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,480
I saw it too, And she couldn't even say anything

686
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,599
to me. She just threw her arms around me and

687
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:23,440
started crying.

688
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 3: So let's talk about the implants. I understand that implants

689
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,800
were found. Was it just in you or your kids

690
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:31,239
as well?

691
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:37,199
Speaker 2: Just me? Every morning when I would go to work,

692
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,519
I would sit outside and wait for my boss to

693
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,360
show up with key, and I'd always have these little

694
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:45,400
shards of metal in my fingers and I picked them out,

695
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,519
but I didn't know where they were coming from. I

696
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,159
didn't know what I was touching that was metal. I'm

697
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,079
not an iron worker or anything like that. And it

698
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,480
would the metal would just crumble when it would come

699
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,480
out of my skin. So I vaguely mentioned that to

700
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,880
Bear and he sent somebody down from mouf On to

701
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,280
take a look, and he was getting hits on my body.

702
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,960
He called Bear up. He said, yeah, we've we've got implants,

703
00:41:10,159 --> 00:41:13,360
and so I didn't know what that meant at the time.

704
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,480
They got ahold of doctor Roger Lear and they scheduled

705
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,559
me as a patient eighteen. I was going to go

706
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:28,079
to Dolores Cannon's conference here in Arkansas. They explained, you know,

707
00:41:28,199 --> 00:41:31,239
just a local, a small cut, and they're going to

708
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,599
be able to remove it. And I was a little

709
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:38,280
scared about doing that, but Roger Lear seemed like a

710
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,880
great guy. Steve Colburn, great guy. Uh. They introduced me

711
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,519
to the other other patients, so I can, you know,

712
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,639
feel more comfortable about what was going on, and that

713
00:41:48,679 --> 00:41:54,920
did help Timothy Collin patient nine, wonderful guy, and two

714
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,880
weeks before surgery, uh, doctor Roger Lear passed away, so

715
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,559
we we didn't have that particular surgery. I'm still good

716
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:06,400
friends with Steve Colburn though, he just needs to keep

717
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,920
his equipment in the closet when I visit. You know,

718
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:12,639
as soon as I show up, he wants to scan

719
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,199
me more. I'm thinking, no, let's go have lunch instead.

720
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 3: You know, were any of these implants removed after doctor

721
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,639
Lear's death by anyone else?

722
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:27,559
Speaker 2: No? No, It's incredibly hard to find a surgeon that's

723
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:28,960
going to touch something like that.

724
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,119
Speaker 3: Right, okay, So as far as you know, they are

725
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:38,159
still still inside you, yes, okay, okay. Any thought as

726
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:40,800
to what the purpose of these things.

727
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: Are, well, we talked a lot about it. A lot

728
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,760
of people think GPS, but you know, the structure is

729
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,199
just too complex. It can't be just a tracking device.

730
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,400
You know, the outer layer. As soon as you remove them,

731
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:02,800
it's like a shiny metallic wrapper that goes around it.

732
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,039
And the moment you remove them, you can't even cut

733
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:11,639
this wrapper with surgical steel. It's that difficult. But within

734
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,719
minutes that substance starts to flake. Apart. Now this tells

735
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,960
the body it belongs in the body, so your body

736
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,559
doesn't reject it at all. Your nerves and tissue and

737
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,599
everything like that just grow around it. Like I think

738
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:26,639
if we had that, if we had that type of

739
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:31,920
technology here, we could do heart transplants, kidney transplants without medication,

740
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:35,840
and a lot of the problems we have today in

741
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:40,079
the medical field. It would just be gone. But the

742
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:45,159
metal structure inside has a lot of atom sized microtubules.

743
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:49,440
So it was suspected that not just a GPS system,

744
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:53,400
but a system to study your epigenetics turning on off

745
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:58,719
that could help monitor your emotions. It can monitor what

746
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,719
your body is doing at every moment. And you know,

747
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,880
they don't signal much one point six one point seven megahertz,

748
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,159
but when they do signal, that's the Hurtz range.

749
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 3: At some point, some weird stuff starts to happen in

750
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,320
terms of you being surveilled.

751
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: Tell us about that.

752
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,119
Speaker 2: I came out one night and dan Is bellied up

753
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:28,119
to my Cadillac, and I didn't know why he was

754
00:44:28,159 --> 00:44:30,599
standing there, but I looked at what the direction he

755
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,280
was looking at, and this object was in the tree

756
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:38,719
line right in front of him and it was just stationary,

757
00:44:39,519 --> 00:44:41,960
just below the tree line. So I got next to

758
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,079
him and bellied up. I was like, how long has

759
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,440
it been here? He said about ten minutes. And I'm

760
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,000
like you okay, And he's like, yeah, I'm okay. I've

761
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,679
heard about these at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. You know,

762
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,039
people would whisper about these things, and pilots would talk

763
00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:01,000
about it, you know, But he was just immersed in

764
00:45:01,039 --> 00:45:04,159
the moment. My friend Christy, she worked a night shift

765
00:45:04,199 --> 00:45:08,480
as a CNA, so she never saw it until this point.

766
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:11,960
But she came around the corner with a bottle and

767
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,559
some shots to celebrate something. I can't remember what it was,

768
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,800
but she stopped and she said, holy bleep, that thing

769
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,400
is real, because you know, a lot of people told

770
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,639
her about it. So she stood next to us. The

771
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,480
kids opened the door, they saw it, and so all

772
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,559
of us were bellied up to my Cadillac looking at

773
00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:37,800
this thing. It's almost like walking through the woods on

774
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,400
a nice hike and all of a sudden there's a

775
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,679
bear ten feet away, you know. It's that feeling. Now

776
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,639
out of nowhere, a black Hawk helicopter came from behind us.

777
00:45:49,199 --> 00:45:54,440
So the object immediately took off the wash from the helicopter.

778
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:56,679
We didn't even hear it coming. It's almost like it

779
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,159
just turned on right there in the yard. So I'm

780
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,639
holding onto my hat because of the wash. He's right

781
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,280
up in our face. The spotlight is blinding us. He

782
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,000
took the spotlight away and went up and down the

783
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,679
street with the spotlight, turned around, looked in the yard

784
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,880
next to us, and raised up and took off. So

785
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,920
I told my daughter, I was like, you know, sweetheart,

786
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,719
why don't you make some coffee. The military is going

787
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,440
to be here. We're going to get some help. We're

788
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,920
going to get some answers, you know, finally, And we

789
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,239
stayed up almost all night waiting for a call or

790
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,360
for the military to show up and help us. But

791
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,920
that wasn't the case. I neighbor Debbie, she called me.

792
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,000
She was a porter at Lakeshore Condos just right down

793
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,360
the street, and she went in to change this man's

794
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,639
soap and sheets and clean up a little bit. And

795
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:55,880
there were pictures of me and the kids all over

796
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,920
his bed. There was a ledger of everything that we

797
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,599
were doing. And so Debbie calls me and she said,

798
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:05,119
there's a man stocking your family. You need to know

799
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,000
about this, And I said, hang up the phone, go

800
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:10,119
to the office and get that man's name. You know,

801
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,159
I don't need to creep walking around town taking pictures

802
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:18,000
of my family. This is not cool. So she called

803
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,159
me up and she said his name is Lieutenant Colonel

804
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,360
dallasy Wood. So I turned that into my investigator, and

805
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,920
my investigator said, Eric, this man worked for the Pentagon

806
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,559
at one time. He's retired now and he passed away

807
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:37,239
back in twenty fifteen, I think. But there were more

808
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,199
helicopter treatments and stuff like that, and it was more

809
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:44,480
harassment than it was anything. I had recruiters coming over

810
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:49,800
that weren't recruiters. My car was bugged, my house was bugged.

811
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:55,800
We found the devices, and it just it became a

812
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,760
living nightmare. You know, how do you get away from this?

813
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,079
I get out of this. And you know, finally, my daughter,

814
00:48:01,159 --> 00:48:03,320
she got accepted to college in Maine, and I thought

815
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,920
to myself, that's a perfect way out. I can just

816
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,719
go out there, make sure she makes it on her own,

817
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:14,840
start my life fresh, and put it all behind me,

818
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,119
you know, and get back to a simple life. And

819
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,559
it was a wonderful day dream. I packed up the

820
00:48:19,559 --> 00:48:21,119
car in the middle of the night. We had a

821
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:25,519
great road trip out there, singing songs and playing games.

822
00:48:25,559 --> 00:48:30,239
And September one, twenty fourteen, I was standing on my

823
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,920
third story back deck talking to my new neighbors and

824
00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:38,960
getting along with them, and I got this feeling Matt

825
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,159
and I knew what it was. I thought this was over.

826
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,000
I turned around. It was going through the park across

827
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,480
the street, came up over the tree line and dipped

828
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,880
down right in front of our third story deck. Our

829
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,760
neighbors were kicking over chairs and pushing each other, trying

830
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,480
to get back in the building and away from this object,

831
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,320
and me and the kids just stood there like, how

832
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:05,159
is this happening? You know how? But you know at

833
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:08,880
the time, I ran into Star Wars Support it was

834
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,719
a support group and got with Audrey Hewans. Since Bear

835
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,760
saved my life and coached me through so much of

836
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,199
this stuff, I decided I was going to do the

837
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:23,280
same thing. I was going to help people because there

838
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,440
is no help. And so I got with her and

839
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:32,480
we started helping people like ourselves. Now. We did go

840
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:37,039
to a conference one day, and Audrey's a tough willed woman.

841
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:41,039
I've always had so much respect for her and her drive.

842
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:45,760
And she stops walking with me and I'm like, what

843
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,119
are you doing, Audrey, What's going on? And I look

844
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:51,440
at her and she's staring at Travis Walton and I'm like,

845
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:55,000
don't stare at it's kind of rude, Audrey. She goes,

846
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:58,039
that's Travis, and I was like, I'll introduce you to him,

847
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,480
and you know, she said, you know him? Like, yeh,

848
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,760
I know Travis. You know, we're the only two people

849
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,559
on record being knocked down by an orange, you know,

850
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,840
thing with blue energy coming out of it. So naturally

851
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,880
Travis wanted to meet me immediately. So I introduced them

852
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:17,639
and they're they're falling in love right in front of me.

853
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,360
They just made me sick. But we ended up bringing

854
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,559
Travis home with us, and so he lived with us

855
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:26,519
for about eight months.

856
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:30,079
Speaker 3: I want to go back and talk about this Colonel

857
00:50:30,119 --> 00:50:35,679
Wood that was tracking your movements, movements of your family

858
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:41,159
and whatnot. Were you able to ever confront him yourself?

859
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:45,199
Speaker 2: No, I wasn't. I wasn't able to. I wasn't sure

860
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,920
if I should. I wanted to report him to the

861
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,199
proper authorities, but who are the proper you know authorities?

862
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,159
Who are these people and these unmarked helicopters? You know,

863
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:59,320
who are these people that are putting GPS units in

864
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,880
my viha? You know? It turns out working with experiencers

865
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,119
now all over the world, over one hundred and thirty

866
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:13,719
countries by the way, this scenario where these things become

867
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,440
attracted to you, and it attracts these unofficial officials that

868
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,119
use you as bait. You're you're the bait. What they're

869
00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:30,440
after is those technologies, and so they monitor harass in

870
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,880
some cases, if you start losing your mind, they do

871
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,199
everything they can try to make you more crazy, you know.

872
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:43,400
And so it's to say that this is happening in

873
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:48,239
our country. I'm still a disbelief about it. But time

874
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,559
and time again I get calls from people that are

875
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,000
dealing with this for the first time, and it's almost

876
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,559
the exact scenario where these people track what's going on

877
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,360
and then they bring out teams to decide how they're

878
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:07,159
going to retrieve these objects and technologies.

879
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,199
Speaker 3: For you, what was the most frightening experience of this

880
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,559
entire thing? Was it the government? Was that the NHI

881
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,239
What part of it frightened you the most?

882
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:22,679
Speaker 2: I think for me and my neighborhood. It was. It

883
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,559
was I can't really say government, people use that term loosely,

884
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:34,840
but everyone was more scared of those guys. Everybody was

885
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,760
more scared of those guys. You know, some people were

886
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,960
having a wonderful spiritual experience experience, you know, some people

887
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,679
felt love emanating from the craft, you know, but these

888
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:56,000
harassment types seemed extremely dangerous, and it was scary. I mean,

889
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,159
if you think about it, if a spotlight from one

890
00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:04,440
of those helicopters is on you, that means there's a

891
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:08,199
fifteen millimeter gun camera aimed at you as well. And

892
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,480
black hawks never leave the ground without live ammunitions, and

893
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:13,320
this is what's being aimed at my children.

894
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:15,679
Speaker 3: This object, or whatever you want to call it, did

895
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,880
it leave any sort of physical marks or evidence on

896
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,119
the ground of its presence anything of that nature.

897
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: Radiation, yeah, electromagnetic radiation. My hair started falling out. I

898
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,480
needed glasses because I couldn't see. My eyes were burned.

899
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,840
My face and shoulders looked like a typical sunburn, but

900
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:47,920
it's stung more. But there was also when Cindy Bailey

901
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Dove came to film things, I would point to the

902
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,079
area and her camera would show up electromagnetic disturbance, so

903
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,400
it left traces behind as well, you know, my hair, eyes, teeth,

904
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,400
you know, skin. You can't fix that, you know, you

905
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:09,719
just get old and deal with it. But that was,

906
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:12,559
you know, from the night it knocked me down.

907
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,519
Speaker 3: Were there any other scientists or doctors that you worked

908
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:22,000
with in addition to Roger Lear so you mentioned he

909
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:26,320
passed just a couple of weeks before these implants were.

910
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: Supposed to be removed.

911
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 3: Were you studied by any other scientists or academics after that?

912
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: Well, over time, Bear would send people out, you know,

913
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:39,679
to gather evidence and take a look at me. It

914
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:46,239
was definitely clinical. There were some uncomfortable times having pictures

915
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,719
of me naked, you know, just for investigation purposes and

916
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:55,880
marks and stuff like that. But no physicians that I

917
00:54:56,079 --> 00:55:00,320
know of. Now. Once Uphology heard about me and knew

918
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,239
the case was real, it leaked a little bit and

919
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:06,920
so they started calling me. We want you at our conference,

920
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:10,400
you know, we want you to speak. And after a

921
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,679
while I felt I felt like a circus freak, you know,

922
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,440
to get on stage and everybody's smiling, you know, and entertained,

923
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,320
and I can't even tell you what that felt. Like,

924
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,840
but it was degrading. So I turned to science. You know.

925
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,800
I got with one of my clients. He was a

926
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:31,480
PhD Berkeley candidate and at the time, he was going

927
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,119
through hell. His name is Ray Hernandez. He was a

928
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:37,239
tax attorney in Florida and he was going through a

929
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,079
very hard time. He introduced me to doctor Edgar Mitchell.

930
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,639
He was Apollo fourteen's you know, six Men on the Moon.

931
00:55:45,639 --> 00:55:49,800
An amazing guy, brilliant, brilliant man. And we would do

932
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,239
nightly talks, you know, about how we're gonna stab at this.

933
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,239
You know, it's it's it's a it's a terrible thing.

934
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,800
So Edgar thought we should do the world's first academic

935
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,760
study into experiences, and we all agreed. And so those

936
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,159
guys they're tasked with, you know, coming up with twenty

937
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:16,280
PhDs to conduct looking at these things. And my job

938
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,840
was to go through all my clients that I've worked

939
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,079
with in the past and say, hey, need you to

940
00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:23,480
go online take this survey. It's going to help us

941
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,639
out a lot. And it turned out to be a really,

942
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:31,039
really accurate study, and that gave me ammunition to approach

943
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,360
other PhDs and say, hey, have you are you aware

944
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,119
of this, so I didn't really want to be in uthology.

945
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,239
I wanted to be in science where I can get

946
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:44,360
some answers, they can get some answers, and so it

947
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:48,320
kind of became a virus. You know, you get one

948
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,679
guy interested, you feed them all the information you have,

949
00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:56,280
they get even they're scientists or they're curious. But there's

950
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,639
also a huge social stigma that needs to be removed,

951
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:03,599
and so that's a problem. You know. But I know

952
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:07,920
a lot of scientists behind the scenes, not funded. But

953
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:09,760
you know, when the lights are out and the janitor's

954
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,599
mopping the floor, they are, you know, going after it.

955
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:16,679
They're getting answers. Doctor Jim Sigala really proud of him.

956
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,440
Awesome guy, brilliant man. He invented a thing called the

957
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:23,840
Moopause machine and it's got three hundred sensors. You put

958
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,760
it in the experiencers home and just leave it there,

959
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,480
look it up to the internet and leave it there

960
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,119
forget about it. And Jim is getting so much data,

961
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,760
you know, with his machine. It's just incredible. So it's

962
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,800
just amazing how brilliant people can just find ways around

963
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,320
the impossible and get the data that they're looking for.

964
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,920
But I've met some incredible people over the years, you know,

965
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,599
when it came to that kind of thing. But I think,

966
00:57:49,639 --> 00:57:53,239
you know, once the stigma is removed, these scientists are

967
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,159
going to come out with an awful lot of data

968
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,599
right off the bat. Now there's a few that just

969
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,079
like doctor Jim Sigalad that really doesn't care. You know,

970
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,559
I've got the data, you know, the heck with the

971
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:11,480
stigmatism to this. And there's also a gentleman that I

972
00:58:11,559 --> 00:58:15,679
met back in twenty twenty two at a conference where

973
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,320
I went upstairs to give my friend Heidi a hug,

974
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,280
that savant syndrome locked onto him instead, and I began

975
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,559
to have a conversation with him about things I couldn't

976
00:58:28,559 --> 00:58:32,519
possibly know, and things got very deep and very woo woo,

977
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,719
and it blew his mind. And he's been talking about

978
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:40,400
me on a lot of different radio shows. Doctor Michael P.

979
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:44,639
Master's anthropology professor. So I don't know if you've heard

980
00:58:44,639 --> 00:58:47,679
about that situation, but it is true. It did happen.

981
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:53,559
Heidi was there with me, she was involved somehow. But yeah,

982
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,519
you know, the more scientists get their hands on this,

983
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,280
the better it's going to become. There's so many people

984
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,039
like me. You wouldn't believe it. You cannot be in

985
00:59:05,119 --> 00:59:08,239
a crowded grocery store without being in the same room

986
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:10,239
as an experiencer. And we know how to hide it

987
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,800
where chameleons. A lot of times our spouses don't even know.

988
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,199
But my case seems to be a little bit different

989
00:59:18,239 --> 00:59:20,000
because everything was out in the open.

990
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen.

991
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:25,159
Speaker 3: You say you got a call from a man you'll

992
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:29,559
only call Bob, and you've described him as an intelligence figure,

993
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:33,760
sort of like a smoking man from X files.

994
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? How did he find you? And

995
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:39,840
what kind of stuff did he tell you?

996
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:46,559
Speaker 2: Myself, Travis Audrey, the Aligash Twins, some of the biggest

997
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:51,679
cases in America. He would contact and give us information. Now,

998
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:54,880
at the time I was in touch with this scientist.

999
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,679
His name was Joseph Bermache at INTERNASA. His company was

1000
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:05,920
called International Academy of Science and Arts, and we were

1001
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,960
talking about his prototype free energy prototype and at the

1002
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,199
time Bob wanted to have a meeting, so we met

1003
01:00:13,199 --> 01:00:17,920
in Vermont at a cottage Jim Wiener the Aligash Twins

1004
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:23,360
his house, and we shared pictures, showed videos. Bob was

1005
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,840
upset that a fourteen million dollar plane and a four

1006
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,239
million dollar camera could not get better pictures than us.

1007
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,320
And I told him, I said, you know, there's a

1008
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,679
difference between chasing these things and these things chasing you.

1009
01:00:36,679 --> 01:00:39,400
You can get better you know, footage that way. And

1010
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,440
we had a great time. And he said, the reason

1011
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,119
why I brought you guys here is because next year

1012
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,480
at the New York Times, there's going to be an

1013
01:00:47,559 --> 01:00:51,239
article that's going to kick off disclosure. And he said,

1014
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,960
you guys have a responsibility of being in the picture

1015
01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:00,679
because he's heard discussions where they're not going to say

1016
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:03,280
that we exist, that we suffer, that we live here,

1017
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,960
we pay taxes, and we're just going to get swept

1018
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,320
under the ruck. And so, you know, Travis is getting older.

1019
01:01:11,199 --> 01:01:16,400
Audrey was she has permanent brain damage. She was taken

1020
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:17,480
out of the picture.

1021
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: Gosh.

1022
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,239
Speaker 2: I was sitting four feet away from her watching TV

1023
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:30,000
and she started saying out out out and I'm thinking

1024
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,519
she loves her cats. I thought maybe a cat would

1025
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:35,000
scratch the back of her hair or something, you know.

1026
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:38,880
But I looked over and in real time I saw

1027
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:43,599
her face turn pink, then red, then bright red, and

1028
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:48,760
then the skin rapidly peeling on the thin skin around

1029
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,119
her eyes, in her ears, and I had no idea

1030
01:01:52,239 --> 01:01:54,519
what to do, how to help her. I didn't know

1031
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,920
what was going on. I didn't find out till years

1032
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:01,920
later that there are weapons that can literally microwave a

1033
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,679
human being. And so not too long after that, Audrey

1034
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,119
had a couple of black SuDS behind her on black eyes.

1035
01:02:12,159 --> 01:02:15,920
In Maine. You don't do that, It's just dangerous. And

1036
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,679
I told her twin sister to go out to the

1037
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,679
highway and have Audrey follow her home safely, so it

1038
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:25,480
should be okay. I was out of state at the time.

1039
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:29,320
There's nothing I could do. And her sister found her

1040
01:02:29,639 --> 01:02:34,920
car completely totaled, and Audrey was sitting in the street,

1041
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:40,079
completely catatonic. Her eyes wouldn't even respond to light. She

1042
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:45,199
spent eight months in a mental health facility. They fed

1043
01:02:45,239 --> 01:02:49,840
her through a tube, and after eight months she started

1044
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:54,920
to speak in rhymes and riddles and nothing made sense

1045
01:02:55,199 --> 01:02:59,239
to anyone. They called me. Her and I were so

1046
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,599
close that I could finish her sentences, you know, And

1047
01:03:02,679 --> 01:03:05,039
so I was able to decipher a lot of things

1048
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:08,199
that she was saying. But she does not remember to

1049
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:10,760
this day what happened to her, what happened to her

1050
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:15,880
brain or anything. Not too long after that, she was

1051
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,360
in the hospital. I know this sounds like a sci

1052
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,960
fi movie, but this is true. This is my life.

1053
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:27,000
Two people dressed up as police officers went into her

1054
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:32,719
room and beat her beyond belief. They had to rebuild

1055
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,079
her shoulder and multiple surgeries. And I don't think these

1056
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:41,599
two men wherever found. But Audrey had a conference experience

1057
01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:44,400
your speak every year. A lot of people know her.

1058
01:03:44,519 --> 01:03:47,760
A lot of people when you apology knew her, and

1059
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:50,800
she was a pillar in what little community we had.

1060
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,960
And it was just terrifying to see what they would

1061
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,320
do to such a big hearted human being.

1062
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: What do you think the purpose was?

1063
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:07,039
Speaker 3: Was it too intimidate her from speaking any further experiences?

1064
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,159
If you were to guess, what was the reason for that.

1065
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: At the time, we were getting a lot of a

1066
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,639
lot of that type of harassment. I ended up with

1067
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,360
microtoxin poisoning in my blood and it was killing me.

1068
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,159
The doctor said there's no treatment and you have a

1069
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,880
very small chance of survival. You know, around the same time,

1070
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:34,800
so I think whoever these people are wanted us to

1071
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,960
shut up. We were We were doing things. We were

1072
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,599
doing a lot of things, and we were also digging

1073
01:04:42,639 --> 01:04:47,159
into some names that we probably shouldn't have been digging into,

1074
01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:50,760
but it was out of curiosity, you know, about the

1075
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,079
cover up and why things have to be the way

1076
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,639
they are. You know, why why can't we be accepted

1077
01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,840
into everyday society. Why do we have to keep our

1078
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,360
struggling to ourselves, you know, and just pretend everything's okay.

1079
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,360
It's not right, it's just not right. But back to Bob,

1080
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:14,880
he told us all about this, and if you followed

1081
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:22,920
the story now in Nevada with INTERNACA International Academy of

1082
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:25,559
Science and Arts, there were some people in the CIA

1083
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,159
that was trying to make Joseph Fermage popular for the

1084
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,280
for the release. That's the team that's going to show

1085
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,840
the world that UFOs exist. They got rid of him

1086
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:40,519
and they picked up Tom DeLong and because he was

1087
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:44,719
already popular, and it became TTSA two the Stars of

1088
01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:47,840
Academy of Science and Arts. So the name changed a

1089
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,440
little bit, but the plan was still there underway. And

1090
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:54,079
you know the rest of the story, I'm sure.

1091
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:55,320
Speaker 1: Sure sure.

1092
01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 3: And the names that you mentioned earlier that that you

1093
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:05,000
shouldn't have dug into as far as as far as

1094
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,599
you know, can you say who those names were that

1095
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:09,079
you were digging into?

1096
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:16,199
Speaker 2: The aviary, the aquariums, the working group. There was quite

1097
01:06:16,239 --> 01:06:19,480
a few people in there, a lot of counter intelligence,

1098
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,719
a lot of people that are retired and should not

1099
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,679
be acting on American people on an official, you know,

1100
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,800
basis at all. I believe that's very, very illegal.

1101
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:37,559
Speaker 3: And the harassment do you think it was coming from

1102
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:42,679
the government or private contractors? What is your sort of

1103
01:06:42,719 --> 01:06:49,800
hypothesis on who where those assets were coming from.

1104
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: I personally can't say for sure, but I can surmise

1105
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:57,840
that it's private industry that hires retired special forces in

1106
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,000
CIA to do their bidding. And you know, a lot

1107
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,920
of these people can't adjust back to a normal life,

1108
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:08,599
they can't debrief for decommission, so they take these jobs

1109
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:13,440
to live that same type of lifestyle. And these technologies

1110
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:18,719
are most likely priceless. So getting your hands on that

1111
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:23,079
stuff would be a payday for sure. So it would

1112
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,159
make obstacles like me look like nothing.

1113
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,679
Speaker 3: You've said something striking that hundreds of your interviews and

1114
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,119
talks have been scrubbed off of the Internet or taken down.

1115
01:07:35,199 --> 01:07:36,079
Speaker 1: Tell us about.

1116
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:40,679
Speaker 2: That, well, yeah, I've done over four hundred interviews. I've

1117
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:44,840
done one hundred interviews just with my lead investigator. I've

1118
01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:50,519
done I think like twenty six public talks, just the

1119
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,639
majority of all that's been deleted from the Internet. This

1120
01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:00,440
Google search engine shows its algorithm, and I've never looked

1121
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,960
up by anyone on Google at all, you know. So

1122
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:07,519
I talked to my friend science Bob about that. He said, Eric,

1123
01:08:07,559 --> 01:08:09,760
the only people that can actually do that is in

1124
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:14,119
the NSA. So my YouTube channel went down. I was

1125
01:08:14,159 --> 01:08:18,000
interviewing a lot of scientists and investigators and stuff like that,

1126
01:08:18,079 --> 01:08:20,840
really good, really good stuff, you know, for the public,

1127
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:25,159
to kind of make it easy for folks to look

1128
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:28,680
at the subject in a scientific manner instead of some

1129
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,640
sort of sci fi movie, you know.

1130
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,319
Speaker 3: And I would imagine that all of this has come

1131
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:38,520
to had some kind of financial cost for yourself personally.

1132
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:40,399
Speaker 1: Is that the case?

1133
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,159
Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely absolutely, you know, moving around picking what job

1134
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,560
I can find. You know, I could have pursued so much,

1135
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,960
but I just couldn't. You know, survival is key, it's

1136
01:08:57,039 --> 01:09:03,600
number one. So yeah, financially put me in destitution, you know. Now,

1137
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,479
I've never used this subject to try to make money.

1138
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,800
You know, I could have taken the popular route and

1139
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:12,479
said yes to all the radio shows and yes to

1140
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:18,000
all the public talks and set up some sort of mechanism,

1141
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:21,359
but that just made me feel wrong.

1142
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 3: I can't even imagine having gone through what you know,

1143
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,600
the experiences that you've had, but really appreciate you coming

1144
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,159
on the show and sharing this. Is there any other

1145
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,600
part of your story that you haven't shared or that

1146
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:41,000
I haven't asked about that you would like to address

1147
01:09:41,239 --> 01:09:41,760
or bring up.

1148
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:48,159
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of fascinating things, but one that's

1149
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:52,279
really fascinating to me is working with other experiences worldwide,

1150
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,600
you know, to get to know the cultures in Japan,

1151
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,920
you know, I've been talking to some of their government

1152
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,159
officials about their disclosure and so they're pushing forward slowly

1153
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:07,720
but surely. But all the other cultures and people you

1154
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:12,399
get to meet, different religion it's different, you know, everything,

1155
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,720
but there's still an exact match of every other experience

1156
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:20,039
where I've met. So it's become very fascinating and it's

1157
01:10:20,079 --> 01:10:23,600
alleviating for me too in a way to know there's

1158
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,319
that many of us out there, you know, and when

1159
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:29,279
you wake up in the morning and you think about

1160
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:32,560
the world we live in, you know, and that all

1161
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:34,720
of this is going on but nobody is going to

1162
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:41,800
say anything just blows my mind, you know, it's just surreal.

1163
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:46,119
But I'm going to continue helping people like myself to

1164
01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:49,680
the day I die, and hopefully we can get some

1165
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,079
more help out there, because we have a higher suicide

1166
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:55,800
rate than servicemen and women that come home from more.

1167
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:01,319
So it's a heavy hearted thing to know, but it's

1168
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:07,640
also fascinating that we could be classified scientifically, but it's

1169
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,560
not been done yet.

1170
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 3: Thanks again for joining us, and best of luck to you.

1171
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,640
And I'm super happy that you're out there supporting other

1172
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,039
experiencers and because yeah, I again can't even imagine what

1173
01:11:21,159 --> 01:11:25,319
it must be like dealing with this kind of stuff,

1174
01:11:25,359 --> 01:11:29,800
So I really appreciate your bravery and your willingness to

1175
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:31,920
help your fellow experiencers.

1176
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:38,239
Speaker 2: I do have a independent social network, nothing but experiencers

1177
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:41,079
in there. If somebody out there is hurting, if you

1178
01:11:41,159 --> 01:11:45,359
need to just compare notes or meet new people like yourself,

1179
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,359
contact me. I'll screen you and get you in there

1180
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:49,279
as soon as possible.

1181
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 1: Fantastic.

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Speaker 3: We'll put a link to that in the YouTube description

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so people can find you so thanks again for joining us,

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and again thanks for sharing this really kind of horrific experience.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me on Matt.

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Speaker 3: Folks, if you enjoyed our interview with Eric Mitchell, you're

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gonna love this episode. Thanks for tuning in, and if

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