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<v Speaker 1>What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we

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<v Speaker 1>left off with the Truth Commission from New Mexico and

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<v Speaker 1>their interim report Zoro Ranch employees. Review of EFTA and

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<v Speaker 1>other publicly available resources reveals only some of the personnel

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<v Speaker 1>employed at Zoro Ranch. Much of this information is drawn

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<v Speaker 1>from Epstein's email archive, which spans from May two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine through twenty nineteen. Staff who worked there before

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine or who were not named in emails,

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<v Speaker 1>are not captured here. There is little available documentation that

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<v Speaker 1>sheds light on Zoro Ranch personnel and operations prior to

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and nine. Available information shows at Zoro Ranch

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<v Speaker 1>staff levels fluctuated over time, from a few as three

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<v Speaker 1>to as many as seven or eight. The number does

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<v Speaker 1>not include contractors. There were also some turnover among employees,

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<v Speaker 1>with many not lasting more than one or two years,

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<v Speaker 1>while other employees were employed for longer durations. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>record showing that many of the Zoro Ranch employees were

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<v Speaker 1>ever interviewed by the FBI or other law enforcement. The

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<v Speaker 1>Commission has identified many important members of Epstein's extensive Zoro

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<v Speaker 1>Ranch staff network, and a handful of others. However, the

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<v Speaker 1>number is certainly considerably larger and will no doubt grow

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<v Speaker 1>as review of the EFTA documents and subpoena returns continue.

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<v Speaker 1>Identification of Zoro Ranch staff is crucial as employees and

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<v Speaker 1>contractors may have information or knowledge about activity at the

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<v Speaker 1>ranch and the conditions and circumstances that facilitated Epstein's criminal wrongdoing. Moreover,

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<v Speaker 1>only a few of these employees and contractors were known

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<v Speaker 1>to have ever spoken to law enforcement. Zoro Ranch was

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<v Speaker 1>operational from the mid nineties, and key players in Epstein's orbit,

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<v Speaker 1>including Maxwell and dik and Khan, involved themselves in Delhi

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<v Speaker 1>management and operations of the ranch, as did Epstein himself.

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<v Speaker 1>They also gave close attention to personnel and staffing decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, con email Debstein on September nineteenth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>with the subject line Zoro payroll, in forming Epstein, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that this payroll has gotten very frothy. Seems strange

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<v Speaker 1>that our new housekeeper, Cynthia, who's been with us for

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, makes more money than Luela. Epstein and Zoro

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<v Speaker 1>Ranch management paid close attention to ranch employees and contractors,

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<v Speaker 1>and closely monitored outside contracts. They were particularly alert to

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<v Speaker 1>press inquiries. For instance, on March twelfth, twenty eleven, Karen

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon email Debstein with the subject FYI. In the email,

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<v Speaker 1>Gordon relaid that a reflexologist providing foot massages at the

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<v Speaker 1>ranch had been contacted by phone the day before by

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<v Speaker 1>a Los Angeles reporter who was looking for information on

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<v Speaker 1>GM and yourself. The ref lexologists acknowledged nothing and asked

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<v Speaker 1>how he got her number. Gordon had Wendy Martinez forward

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<v Speaker 1>the reporter's details to Epstein. Some Zora Ranch employees lived

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<v Speaker 1>on the ranch itself. Ranch employees were issued cell phones,

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<v Speaker 1>and some had use of permanent ranch vehicles. Epstein was

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<v Speaker 1>particular about who could and could not enter the main residence.

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<v Speaker 1>Some employees had access to the main residence, while Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>directed that other employees were disallowed entrants to the main residence.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein required employees and contractors to sign non disclosure agreements,

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<v Speaker 1>purportedly to protect the privacy of his frequent celebrity guests.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein often gave employees, including low level employees, significant annual bonuses,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes comprising more than ten percent of their annual compensation. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>the email capture only go back to two thousand and nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and an understanding of Zora Ranch employees before then is

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<v Speaker 1>not fully disclosed. Some of the only evidence detailing activity

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<v Speaker 1>prior to two thousand and nine was obtained through interviews

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<v Speaker 1>of a reflexologist and massage therapist, both of whom were

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<v Speaker 1>retained through outside contacts to provide services on an as

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<v Speaker 1>needed basis. Keysoro Ranch employees thus far identified include the following.

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<v Speaker 1>Bryce Gordon. Gordon is a New Zealand national who co

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<v Speaker 1>managed Epstein's New Mexico and Virgin Island properties alongside his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Karen from approximately two thousand and three to twenty nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Originally based at Zorro Ranch before relocating to Little Saint

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<v Speaker 1>James by twenty sixteen, Gordon and his wife were responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for ranch operations and maintenance, including oversight of employees and contractors,

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle maintenance, and construction projects. The FBI interviewed Gordon on

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<v Speaker 1>February eighth, two thousand and seven. Gordon stated he had

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<v Speaker 1>worked on Zorro Ranch for four years. He stated that

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<v Speaker 1>there were five to six full time employees and n

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<v Speaker 1>some seasonal employees. He stated that Epstein spent approximately fifty

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<v Speaker 1>days a year on the ranch, usually in the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>He would show up with twenty four to forty eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours notice, staying for two to three weeks at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein arrived by aircraft Albuquerque or Santa Fe and would

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<v Speaker 1>be driven to the ranch. He was accompanied by his

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<v Speaker 1>personal assistant, his bodyguard, his personal trainer, and sometimes his messuses.

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<v Speaker 1>He traveled around the ranch by helicopter. Gordon was directed

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<v Speaker 1>to build a spa massage place on Little Saint James

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<v Speaker 1>Island and also had knowledge of Epstein's ballet and massage

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<v Speaker 1>room construction on Little Saint James Island. Records also show

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<v Speaker 1>that nineteen panels of soft Sounds Class A studio foam

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<v Speaker 1>soundproofing material costing fifty seven hundred was shipped to Gordon.

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<v Speaker 1>Deutsche Bank wire transfers indicate that Gordon received approximately two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand a year through a company called Lee Mackenzie

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<v Speaker 1>Consultants LLC. In a June twenty first, two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>nine email, Epstein chastises Marsenkova for treating Gordon disrespectfully and

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<v Speaker 1>suggests Gordon threatened to quit ros Alt. Epstein did not

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<v Speaker 1>want Epstein made Gordon a bequest of two million through

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<v Speaker 1>his August twenty nineteen trust. Karen Gordon Gordon is a

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<v Speaker 1>New Zealand national who co managed Epstein's property alongside her

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<v Speaker 1>husband Bryce Gordon. Originally based in Zoro Ranch before locating

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<v Speaker 1>to Little Saint James. By twenty sixteen, she was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the day to day operation and logistics for Epstein's

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<v Speaker 1>island the States through twenty nineteen. Carlos Delgado. Delgado was

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<v Speaker 1>its ZDC employee who was hired July sixteenth, twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>In an email to Epstein dated June twelfth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Bryce Gordon sel Delgado was hired as seasonal help. He

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<v Speaker 1>stated that Delgado was not to work in the main house.

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<v Speaker 1>His wife, Norma, was briefly employed July sixteenth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>till August twelfth, twenty twelve, with the idea that she

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband were to reside on the ranch in

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<v Speaker 1>a partially furnished house. Monalito Royal Royal was employed by

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<v Speaker 1>ZDC as a Zoro Ranch staff member from January first,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six, until June twenty twelve. Mannalito was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in operational and maintenance matters such as receiving estimates for

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<v Speaker 1>home repair, pool maintenance, vehicle maintenance, and picking up visitors

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<v Speaker 1>from the Santa Fe Airport. On October eighth, twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>Epstein was informed by email that Manalito had relocated a

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<v Speaker 1>rock carving found on Zoro Ranch and that as of

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<v Speaker 1>December two thousand and eight, all rock art on Zoro

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<v Speaker 1>had been recorded with the Archaeological Society of New Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>Rock Art Council. One of Manalito's regular duties was to

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<v Speaker 1>check and clean guns on a weekly basis. This responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>was communicated to Manalito by written checklists by ranch management.

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<v Speaker 1>James and Nina had at the Hadadas were husband and

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<v Speaker 1>wife interviewed as replacements for addition to the Gordons. It

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<v Speaker 1>was contemplated that they manage at least some of the ranch.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not clear whether they were ever employed. Amber Chavez

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<v Speaker 1>Chavez was a ZDC employee who has hired August twenty seventh,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, as a security guard, according to an FBI

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<v Speaker 1>Tactical Intelligence report dated August twelfth, twenty twenty. On June sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty, a man and woman from Martisia, New Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to burgle the Zoro Ranch property. The couple attempted

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<v Speaker 1>to break into a storage container at the Zoro Ranch property.

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<v Speaker 1>Property security guards Amber Chavez and Cynthia Canoe contacted the

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Fe County Sheriff's Department, leading to the burglar's arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Chavez Chavez was a ZDC employee who has hired

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<v Speaker 1>October nineteenth, two thousand and nine. In an email dated

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<v Speaker 1>June eleventh, twenty eighteen, from a person whose name was

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<v Speaker 1>redacted to Larry Vasaski, Leslie Groff, Darrenendike, Richard Kahn, Bella Klein,

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<v Speaker 1>Carlous Volrak, and Steve Chavez, the Center acknowledges receipt of

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<v Speaker 1>an old email from Larry Vasaski informing we will depart

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<v Speaker 1>Santa Fe at seven pm tonight Monday arrival Atlantic PB

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<v Speaker 1>one twelve fifteen AM and two one two JAE. These

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<v Speaker 1>flightplans were later changed to reflect a different departure and

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<v Speaker 1>arrival time on June twelfth, twenty eighteen. Cynthia Canoe Canoe

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<v Speaker 1>was a ZDC employee who was hired September fourth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>to be a housekeeper. In an email from Epstein to

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<v Speaker 1>a person whose name was redacted what appears to be

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Gordon, Caneau was hired to be a housekeeper with

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<v Speaker 1>the understanding that she would live off site and would

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<v Speaker 1>provide would be provided a cell phone. Bradley Royster. Royster

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<v Speaker 1>was a ZDC employee who was hired September seventeenth, twenty twelve.

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<v Speaker 1>He was employed as a ranch hand and lived on

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<v Speaker 1>the ranch. He was terminated March tenth, twenty thirteen, due

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<v Speaker 1>to ranch operation restructuring. Prior to his termination, Karen Gordon

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<v Speaker 1>and Darren Indyke exchanged emails. Endyke sought information about Royster's

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<v Speaker 1>employment and about the accounts and sensitive material he could

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<v Speaker 1>access before approving the termination. Wendy Martinez Martinez worked as

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<v Speaker 1>staff member for Epstein from twenty eleven until June twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>when she resigned by email. She worked directly with Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>on matters relating to ranch maintenance and operation. She also

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<v Speaker 1>communicated with Richard Kahn on matters related to property management.

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<v Speaker 1>She exchanged emails with Sarah Kelln and others regarding Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>flight plans, guest arrivals, and supplies For example, on July seven,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eleven, she exchanged emails with Sarah probably Sarah Kelln

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<v Speaker 1>regarding lodgings for Epstein's guest and Aspen, Colorado venture capitalists

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<v Speaker 1>and longtime Epstein associate Joe Pagano. On June eighteenth, twenty twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>Martinez resigned without notice, dating I have always enjoyed my

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<v Speaker 1>job and all aspects of it. I feel that I

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<v Speaker 1>was an asset here for you and your guests. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 1>there are other people that think differently, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>done their best to make sure I do not further

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<v Speaker 1>myself here or you. I can no longer do my

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<v Speaker 1>job at one hundred percent with the controlling, deceitful, demeaning

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<v Speaker 1>and distrusting ways that are put in front of me daily.

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<v Speaker 1>It was mentally and physically exhausting me and making me sick.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will walk away from here so that these

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<v Speaker 1>people can control your ranch as they see fit. Wendy

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<v Speaker 1>none None was a Zoro Ranch employee with a higher

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<v Speaker 1>date of January tenth, two thousand and five, who is

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<v Speaker 1>employed at least through twenty ten. Little else is known

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<v Speaker 1>about her. Grinna Shuliac Shuliac a Belarus native and naturalized

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<v Speaker 1>US citizen was a dentist who was a report of

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<v Speaker 1>the Epstein's girlfriend. While Shuliac was not a formal salaried

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<v Speaker 1>employe of Epstein, she did hold roles that were functionally

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<v Speaker 1>part of Epstein's personal and business operation. Epstein used his

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<v Speaker 1>influence and prominence of a five to ten million dollar

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<v Speaker 1>donation to get Schuliac admitted to Columbia University's dental school

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<v Speaker 1>after she was initially rejected. A DOJ document chose. Epstein

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<v Speaker 1>made six hundred and thirty one thousand intuition payments to

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<v Speaker 1>Shuliac alone. Shuliac was the largest individual beneficiary of Epstein's estate.

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<v Speaker 1>In Epstein's final trust August eight, twenty nineteen, Shuliac received

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million in cash plus a fifty million dollar annuity

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<v Speaker 1>all six Epstein properties, with five million dollars in operating

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<v Speaker 1>funds per property, forty eight loose diamonds, and thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>zero point seventy three carrot d vs one diamond ring.

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<v Speaker 1>Between twenty thirteen and twenty sixteen, Shuliac's parents in Belarus

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<v Speaker 1>received at least eighty thousand from Epstein. Shuliac was reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>the last person Epstein called from prison before his death.

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<v Speaker 1>Massage therapists and messuses. The messuses were not normally flown

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<v Speaker 1>to the ranch, but were hired by Epstein's assistants, who

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<v Speaker 1>also kept financial records and usually arranged the massages. The

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<v Speaker 1>names of the messuses were obtained from ten thousand Waves

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<v Speaker 1>day SPA or by referrals. The assistant name redacted said

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<v Speaker 1>that the messuses are all checked out and that they

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<v Speaker 1>are all professionals who were licensed massage therapists. Approximately five

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<v Speaker 1>different therapists were used in the past. The working in

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<v Speaker 1>personal relationships among those responsible for management and operation of

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<v Speaker 1>Zora Ranch were primarily among Epstein, Maxwell In, Dyke, Kahan, Groff,

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<v Speaker 1>Kellen Marsenkova, Bryce and Karen, Gordon, Larry Vasoski, and Rogers.

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<v Speaker 1>A chart representing these relationships is depicted below. All right, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna wrap up right there, and in the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up

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<v Speaker 1>where we left off. All the information that goes with

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<v Speaker 1>this episode can be found in the description box.