Speaker 1: Seven six. Happy Friday to you. By the time, it's
Speaker 1: please welcome to the fifty five Percy Morning Show for
Speaker 1: an outstanding organizational, Hilands for Child Protection. Rebecca, sirandor Rebecca,
Speaker 1: welcome to the program. It's a real pleasure to have
Speaker 1: you on today.
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks for having me back on. We really appreciate
Speaker 2: how you've been staying on this story.
Speaker 1: Oh. I was outraged, just simply outrage that this pervert,
Speaker 1: disgusting piece of human excrement had the nerve to request
Speaker 1: a lower sex offender status after what he did and
Speaker 1: his plea agreement. Well, I saw that he was in
Speaker 1: front of Judge Gizon. There has been a development. She said,
Speaker 1: how about no boiled down in her order here that
Speaker 1: was just released the other day. First off, before we
Speaker 1: start into the details about this horrific guy, let my
Speaker 1: listeners know about Highlands for Child Protection. I'm curious to
Speaker 1: know how you got involved with it, if I can
Speaker 1: ask that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So back in twenty nineteen, my four kids were
Speaker 2: students at Saint Ignatius on the west side of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: and father Jeff Drew had been assigned back in twenty
Speaker 2: eighteen to the parish and this wasn't my first encounter
Speaker 2: Withdrew in my life. He'd actually been my grade school
Speaker 2: music teacher and music minister when I was a student
Speaker 2: at Saint Jude.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: And I had no idea when he was assigned to
Speaker 2: our parish the very well documented past that he had,
Speaker 2: mostly because many of the events took place in my
Speaker 2: childhood and a lot of weird things can be misfiled
Speaker 2: in a child's brain. So while I saw some of
Speaker 2: the graving activities such as him massaging boy's shoulders and
Speaker 2: then sticking his hands under their shirt down through their collar,
Speaker 2: along their back, I saw it so frequently and there
Speaker 2: was one reacting to it around me that those kinds
Speaker 2: of events are very easily messfiled to a child.
Speaker 1: Of course, they don't. Children don't have life experience, they
Speaker 1: don't understand what's appropriate and inappropriate, and they certainly don't
Speaker 1: have a grasp of the law.
Speaker 2: So fast forward to my four children in the school
Speaker 2: that he's essentially the superintendent of. Because he has higher
Speaker 2: and fire authority over the principle and the teachers, he
Speaker 2: would be the final voice in deciding if a child
Speaker 2: is being suspended or expelled. So that really is a
Speaker 2: position of authority to be a pastor at one of
Speaker 2: our Catholic schools. So basically, my classmate Paul bravely stepped
Speaker 2: forward in the summer of twenty nineteen and came forward
Speaker 2: about the abusity suffered from father Jeff Drail And that's
Speaker 2: when we saw the nine charges happen in the arrassed
Speaker 2: and me and some other moms like Teresa den Whinnie Herman,
Speaker 2: we decided that there must have been a larger failure
Speaker 2: place that a man like this was running our school.
Speaker 2: And that's when we did our first public record request
Speaker 2: and realized that there was much more to this story
Speaker 2: and that he had a well documented past spanning three decades,
Speaker 2: three counties, from how protective service calls about him, countless
Speaker 2: parents reaching out to the archdiocese, three criminal investigations in
Speaker 2: Butler County, and through all of this he was never
Speaker 2: placed on leave. There was no investigation within the church
Speaker 2: as to how this all came to pass. That he
Speaker 2: was running the largest elementary Catholic school in the state
Speaker 2: of Ohio, and we thought, you know what, the state
Speaker 2: of Ohio also allowed this to happen. We need to
Speaker 2: go look at our lawmakers in Columbus and started dressing
Speaker 2: Ohio's child sex abuse laws because it turns out that
Speaker 2: while we speak frequently about abuse in the Catholic Church,
Speaker 2: the big story is is that one and four k
Speaker 2: one of four girls and one in thirteen to one
Speaker 2: and twenty boys. It depends which study you look at,
Speaker 2: are being sexually abused before they turn eighteen, And to
Speaker 2: look at Ohio more specifically, we just saw this out
Speaker 2: as the Girls Report come out last year and their
Speaker 2: climate survey found that were above the national average for
Speaker 2: girl abuse. Over twenty percent of Ohio girls reported some
Speaker 2: form of sexual violence in the prior twelve months. And
Speaker 2: to put that into perspective, can you imagine if one
Speaker 2: in five cars have been stolen in Ohio. So we
Speaker 2: decided that more needs to be done. So for five
Speaker 2: years we've been advocating up at the state House, just
Speaker 2: a group of parents, mostly moms, asking lallmakers to truly
Speaker 2: treat this public safety issue at the level it needs
Speaker 2: to be. And so we saw the governor sign the
Speaker 2: grooming bill earlier this year. But we're still advocating for
Speaker 2: things like statute limitations reform.
Speaker 1: There's so many questions I've got I know it's okay.
Speaker 1: First off, on a fundamental basis as far as legislation
Speaker 1: is concerned, why did it You've been advocating for this
Speaker 1: for such a long time. This seems to be something
Speaker 1: that should have been on the books now for decades.
Speaker 1: Why and what resistance did you get? Why did it
Speaker 1: take so long to actually get pen on paper and
Speaker 1: make this a criminal violation? And how come they have
Speaker 1: the statute of limitations haven't been changed. I mean we're
Speaker 1: talking about children here. I mean they need to be
Speaker 1: protected more than any person on the planet. Adult police
Speaker 1: can can rationalize, have an understanding, take acts and steps
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. I mean, these are the most innocent
Speaker 1: of all. Why was there any resistance at all to
Speaker 1: get in this moving forward or more quickly so?
Speaker 2: I do think with the grooming bill, a lot of
Speaker 2: it is because this was This is amongst fun the
Speaker 2: early efforts in the United States to criminalize grooming. This
Speaker 2: is actually already illegal in places like Australia and England
Speaker 2: for the last twenty years, but in the United States
Speaker 2: we were at the forefront here of Ohio to asked
Speaker 2: for dreaming to be criminalized, and to be well done.
Speaker 2: We didn't want something that has been a drag innocent
Speaker 2: people into court. So part of that is because we
Speaker 2: were first in grooming, for the most part, statue limitations reform.
Speaker 2: There's some powerful interest in our state that have been
Speaker 2: pushing against that. We did a partial reform back in
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. And if it wasn't for the
Speaker 2: efforts of the victims from two thousand and four to
Speaker 2: two thousand and six on statue limitations reform, my classmate
Speaker 2: Paul would have had the court doors shut on him.
Speaker 2: The lesser known part of this story, though, is that
Speaker 2: there had been an effort to expand statue limitations more
Speaker 2: fully because the average age disclosed abuse is age fifty
Speaker 2: two when you've been on child victim. Well, there's a
Speaker 2: second known victim in the Jeff dra case, and there
Speaker 2: has been indicators that there are more victims, But the
Speaker 2: second victim that came forward with similar evidence abused in
Speaker 2: the same school building over at same time period. He
Speaker 2: was just arbitrarily that little bit older. So the court
Speaker 2: doors were shut. If both victims would have had their
Speaker 2: day in court, would we even be talking about Jeff
Speaker 2: Drey being released next year?
Speaker 1: I imagine not? And so my listeners have a full
Speaker 1: accounting of what happened to Paul Nyer this so and
Speaker 1: so Jeff Drew pleaded guilty in twenty twenty one to
Speaker 1: repeatedly raping Paul when Paul was nine and ten years old.
Speaker 1: And it happened in the late nineteen eighties and nineties
Speaker 1: when Nira was a student in Altar Boy at Saint June, Bridgetown,
Speaker 1: where Drew happened to be the music teacher. I and
Speaker 1: that you know that what brought that You brought this
Speaker 1: to my attention and having on the programs, because this
Speaker 1: guy had the audacity to seek a lower level sex
Speaker 1: offender status in spite of the fact that his plea
Speaker 1: agreement which locked him up for seven years, he said
Speaker 1: he would register as a what is a Tier one
Speaker 1: sex offender, so he has to register regularly and everybody
Speaker 1: gets in the neighborhood gets a notification from the police
Speaker 1: lettinghim know who he is, where he is, and what
Speaker 1: he looks like for the protection of the children that
Speaker 1: are in the neighborhood. That he had the nerve to
Speaker 1: do that, I just I want to throttle the guys
Speaker 1: thinking about it.
Speaker 2: And I wonder like how is he affording all this
Speaker 2: legal at.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's another good question, and you know, another looming
Speaker 1: question of the background of this for rebeconcerned Dorf. Maybe
Speaker 1: you've been able to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1: You said that they the church had known about his antics,
Speaker 1: if I can call them that, for a long long
Speaker 1: time before he was finally finally got busted. Aren't Isn't
Speaker 1: that criminal in and of itself? If you're you're facilitating
Speaker 1: or otherwise covering up the molestation of children, you are
Speaker 1: in as far as I'm concerned, as guilty as the
Speaker 1: guy committing the acts.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think enablers are key allowing the fenders access our children,
Speaker 2: and that is another area of the law that I
Speaker 2: would like to see our lawmakers. Well, they first that
Speaker 2: when it's repeated within an institution, and he had people
Speaker 2: that truly have the power to stop.
Speaker 1: It, they facilitated, They put him in contact, close contact,
Speaker 1: in a position of authority about around a bunch of
Speaker 1: young children. Mean, yes, it's like you're asking for this
Speaker 1: to happen again. Lives to be ruling.
Speaker 2: They fixated offenders average one hundred and fifty victims in
Speaker 2: their lifetime, and they ascend into their geriatric years. So
Speaker 2: it's vitally important that we take a look at this
Speaker 2: problem and we try to approach it from every level
Speaker 2: that we can, from comuma, informing things that work with youth,
Speaker 2: having stronger luves, having our statue limitations reform, and one
Speaker 2: survivor rightfully pointed out to me that since Ohio is
Speaker 2: one of the handful of states left that provides the
Speaker 2: statue limitations to protect child defenders, he likened us to
Speaker 2: being a sanctuary state for child sex abuse because we're
Speaker 2: one of the few states left in the whole country
Speaker 2: that we're running a clock that you'd get off scott.
Speaker 1: Free, especially when you're being held by the folks that
Speaker 1: are enabling you to have presents around children in a
Speaker 1: position of authority. Let's pause. We'll bring Rebecca sore indour
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Speaker 1: hard for seniors in studio after the bottom of the
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Speaker 1: Rebecca Sorendorf on online talking about this Jeff Drew guy,
Speaker 1: this pervert pre to music teacher who was busted for
Speaker 1: and pleaded guilty to repeatedly raping a gentleman named Paul Nyer.
Speaker 1: He is still in lock up. According to the reporting
Speaker 1: from who is in Gift credit to WCPO, he's in
Speaker 1: the Noble Correctional Institute, which is described as a medium
Speaker 1: security prison for men in Caldwell, Noble County, and expected
Speaker 1: release date August seventeenth, twenty twenty sixth I imagine Judge Gibz
Speaker 1: probably as offended as I was the idea that he
Speaker 1: had the audacity to seek a lower level sex offender
Speaker 1: status when he got out. But no, she said, you
Speaker 1: got to register with the Sheriff's department. I guess every
Speaker 1: I said, every ninety days for the rest of his life,
Speaker 1: he has to register's addressed with the Sheriff's Department, and
Speaker 1: then they have to send out photographs to the community
Speaker 1: letting everyone know where this guy lives and what he
Speaker 1: looks like. Also, is that.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, that's part of the agreement.
Speaker 1: Good. We should.
Speaker 2: But I want parents and grandparents out there to realize
Speaker 2: too that for child sex abuse, in part because of
Speaker 2: our statural limitations and the delay and reporting, that we
Speaker 2: have a really low conviction rate around these crimes. So
Speaker 2: for every person you see on an offender registry in
Speaker 2: your community, just know that there's probably another you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five offenders in your area that go
Speaker 2: completely unnamed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, with with online communication and kids
Speaker 1: gaming all the time, it just creates more and more
Speaker 1: opportunities for these groomers to have access to children and
Speaker 1: parents are oblivious to what's going on when their kids
Speaker 1: are in the basement playing games and that I know
Speaker 1: that's one vehicle because I've read so many articles about it.
Speaker 1: That's how they gain access and gain confidence.
Speaker 2: Great, and we actually saw research at the University New
Speaker 2: Hampshire that shows about one in six kids are being
Speaker 2: exploited online and about sixty percent of that exploitation is
Speaker 2: someone who already knows that child are in their offline life,
Speaker 2: so they're presenting many times as another kids really a
Speaker 2: love interest. This happens a lot to our team boys
Speaker 2: and they think they're communicating with a girl of their
Speaker 2: age and they start exchanging images with them and it
Speaker 2: quickly turns into that they're being blackmailed with their money
Speaker 2: or further images, which Ohio just made sextortion illegal last year.
Speaker 2: And this is why we need to be fast tracking
Speaker 2: this kind of legislation, still being thoughtful about it, bringing
Speaker 2: the right people to the table. But each bill shouldn't
Speaker 2: be taking five to twenty years to pass. So we
Speaker 2: connect it with Senator Blessing and Representative Rachel Baker, and
Speaker 2: we've asked them to start a sexual Violence Caucus. We're
Speaker 2: still working out exactly what the name is going to be,
Speaker 2: but we need a place where our lawmakers are going
Speaker 2: to come together with those on the front line in
Speaker 2: our state, from law enforcement to the good people at
Speaker 2: our schools and those working at places like Madison, and
Speaker 2: get these people to the table and start mapping out
Speaker 2: where's our system falling short for our kids and what
Speaker 2: can we do up in Columbus to make sure that
Speaker 2: it is a safe place to raise the family in
Speaker 2: Ohio and that our children aren't being exploited at this rate.
Speaker 1: Amen to that. Is there any pending legislation or proposed
Speaker 1: legislations floating around behind the scenes in committee or anything
Speaker 1: right now that my listeners can get in touch with
Speaker 1: their elected officials and pressure them to move it forward.
Speaker 2: Not at this moment because we just started a new
Speaker 2: General Assembly, so they're all busy with the budget at
Speaker 2: this moment, okay, but we are working on getting these
Speaker 2: things started. I think one of the biggest thing that
Speaker 2: you can do is call your lawmaker and tell them
Speaker 2: that we should have statue limitations reformed, and that you
Speaker 2: ask for this sexual violence pocket, that they join it,
Speaker 2: that they support its work because it such a multi
Speaker 2: tier issue at this moment. For example, many many states
Speaker 2: already require in their screening of educators that you check
Speaker 2: if there's child protective service calls on the individual in
Speaker 2: the father Just through case, we can see that he
Speaker 2: had child protective service calls in Montgomery County, Butler County,
Speaker 2: in Hamilton County, yet he had superintendent like authority at
Speaker 2: Saint Ignacious School while that's a religious institution. Ohio does
Speaker 2: not have that kind of protection in any of its schools,
Speaker 2: whether religious or public, at this moment. But also we
Speaker 2: see that there's carve outs for things like aeronwall, which
Speaker 2: is body safety training for children. We got that in
Speaker 2: all of Ohio's public schools, but there is an exemption
Speaker 2: for all the private and religious schools in our state,
Speaker 2: and we would like to equally protect every child. Parents
Speaker 2: have an expectation, whether they're sending their children to religious
Speaker 2: school they're choosing or a public school, that there should
Speaker 2: be equal protection from child sex abuse.
Speaker 1: And if you're a private school, why wouldn't you implement
Speaker 1: your own policies to keep these children in out of
Speaker 1: harm's way. I mean, that's a question worth asking. You
Speaker 1: don't need some legislator to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1: You're a private entity. Put these protections in place, jeez, Louise.
Speaker 1: And if you're a known if there's a known pedophile
Speaker 1: working for you, why don't you turn them into the
Speaker 1: cops and fire them and get them out of the
Speaker 1: presence of children. Oh this just gets my eye up.
Speaker 1: I am sorry for getting on a rant here, Rebecca,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand any resistance to this type of reform.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it anyhow.
Speaker 2: You think it's going to take every day people stepping
Speaker 2: up to make it priority because it too quickly the
Speaker 2: attention goes elsewhere in Columbus and US everyday people we
Speaker 2: need to keep speaking up. Following our Facebook page when
Speaker 2: there's a specific though, we always share good what needs
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Speaker 2: your local clubs. We actually are a bipartisan group. We
Speaker 2: show up. Of course, you are the Republican clubs and
Speaker 2: every day people deeply care about this, but it isn't
Speaker 2: a front burner issue at the State House on a
Speaker 2: day to day basis.
Speaker 1: Well it should be in Rebecca Sorender, if you have
Speaker 1: a place open spot here on the fifty five Carse
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Speaker 1: you come on my program. You talk to my listeners
Speaker 1: about what's proposed and what we need to do to
Speaker 1: a call of action, we'll call it here, So you're
Speaker 1: welcome on my program. I certainly appreciate the behalf of
Speaker 1: every child out there, the work that you're doing on
Speaker 1: their behalf, and I wish you all the best of
Speaker 1: luck and bring in some reform here to the state
Speaker 1: of Ohio.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for staying on this and for
Speaker 2: public Christian overt Channel nine. She has just been on
Speaker 2: this case for years now and the iteam's been on it.
Speaker 1: That's great. I'm glad to know that as well. Rebecca.
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