1 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Great Detectives of Old Time Radio from Boise, Idaho. 2 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,640 This is your host, Adam Graham. In a moment, we're 3 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,920 going to bring you this week's episode of The Big Story. 4 00:00:42,399 --> 00:00:44,719 But first I do want to encourage you, if you 5 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:48,840 are enjoying this podcast, to please follow us using your 6 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,560 favorite podcast software. And I also want to encourage you 7 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,159 to check out our other podcast and today I'm highlighting 8 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,799 the Great Adventurers of Old Time Radio. Currently we've got 9 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:04,640 a great cereal going featuring Toursan, and we also are 10 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:09,120 featuring some high quality lux radio theater programs. 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Maybe you need something weight Wait. 23 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 4: It's too customers. 24 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: All two men, who is better than one? Come in? Gentlemen, 25 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,840 come in? What can I you're an old guy, Pop. 26 00:02:05,439 --> 00:02:08,080 I wouldn't want to hurt you. Have I had to? 27 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:11,400 I would you want to the valise? Pop the valise? 28 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,400 But you're not rich, Frank. Maybe he doesn't understand polite talk. 29 00:02:18,319 --> 00:02:19,240 Give me that Falice. 30 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 5: Frank talked to the man so he'll be sure and understand. 31 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: The big story here is America. It's sound and its fury, 32 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,039 it's joy and it's sorrow, as faithfully reported by the 33 00:02:40,039 --> 00:02:44,639 men and women of the great American newspapers. Cleveland, Ohio, 34 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:48,400 from the pages of the Cleveland, Ohio Press. The moving 35 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,800 story of Justice and the guy named Joe Tonight to 36 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,039 William Miller of the Cleveland, Ohio Press goes the pell 37 00:02:56,080 --> 00:03:06,879 Mell Award for the Big Story. Now the story as 38 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:20,800 it actually happened, William Miller's story as he lived it, Cleveland, Ohio. 39 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 6: You sit at your desk, William Miller of the Cleveland Press, 40 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,879 writing the story of a brutal holder. 41 00:03:28,759 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 3: A man and a woman, both. 42 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 6: In their sixties, owners of a small dry goods store 43 00:03:33,319 --> 00:03:36,319 on East one hundred and second Street, have been beaten 44 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:42,000 and robbed. The sum taken, two thousand dollars, represents ten 45 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,719 years savings for their kind of people. Their attackers were 46 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,159 kids one nineteen one, twenty one, to whom money is 47 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,319 the final goal, and to whom a storekeeper and his 48 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,319 wife are just two people in the way. You write 49 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,800 that bitter news story, and two months you're write with 50 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,800 satisfaction that one of the robbers was sentenced to fifteen 51 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:08,120 years in jail. The other robber was never picked up, 52 00:04:08,639 --> 00:04:11,599 but you're happy with the one they got. You enter 53 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,639 his name in the back of your mind under the 54 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:21,439 category laos Joe mantell loos that done. You forget about 55 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,680 him until four months later the phone on your desk 56 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:29,360 jogs your back into remembrance. 57 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 4: Mister Miller, there's an old woman out here to see you? 58 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: Or who is she? What does she want? Wouldn't say 59 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,000 that's her name? I'm busy, Yes, sir. 60 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 4: H missus man. 61 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:44,759 Speaker 3: Tell mister Miller and tell I don't know, oh, Joe Man. 62 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,839 Tell she anything to do with him his mother? Mister Miller, 63 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:49,800 what do you know? 64 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 6: Yes, send her in. I'd like to hear what she's 65 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,079 got to say. Yes, send her in. 66 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 4: You're very kind to see me, mister Miller. 67 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: You read the stories I wrote on your son, didn't you, 68 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,160 missus mantell, Yes, I did. 69 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,639 Speaker 6: You know just how I feel. I'm only sorry you 70 00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:15,560 didn't get twenty five years. 71 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,199 Speaker 4: I'm not a proud woman, mister Miller. If to get 72 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,879 to the truth, I have to scrub floors or take 73 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,920 a little insult. A mother doesn't mind that, mister Miller. 74 00:05:26,959 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: Oh, look, what do you got to say. 75 00:05:30,519 --> 00:05:32,519 Speaker 4: Joey didn't do it anymore than I did. 76 00:05:32,759 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: Jury thought otherwise. 77 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,079 Speaker 4: Joey wasn't there, He wasn't near the store that night. 78 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: You said that in court. What do you want anyhow? 79 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 6: Man gets a trial, a fair trial, a jury of decent, 80 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,279 honest people find him guilty. 81 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 4: What more do you want, mister Miller. I'm a reader 82 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,360 of your paper fifteen years. I like the way you write. No, 83 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,360 that's not flattery, it's the truth. You remember the Sullivan 84 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,399 Boy about eight years ago, mister Miller. He was found 85 00:05:59,439 --> 00:06:02,759 gilly by a jury of honest people too, But you 86 00:06:02,879 --> 00:06:06,240 wrote about it, and you helped prove that he was innocent. 87 00:06:07,319 --> 00:06:09,839 The Ginsburg girl it was about four years. 88 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: Look, look, I studied your son's case. The only thing 89 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,680 that makes me saw was that they didn't catch the 90 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,439 other crook, and your son only got fifteen years. Those 91 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,839 people were in their sixties, Missus Mantel. 92 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 4: I'm sixty seven, mister Miller. At sixty seven, a woman, 93 00:06:25,639 --> 00:06:30,680 don't lie. My boy was home in the garage fixing 94 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:31,079 the car. 95 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 3: Why was he fixing a car in the evening. 96 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: Because when a boy wants to make a new start, 97 00:06:35,879 --> 00:06:41,600 he don't care if it's afternoon or eveninging. What Joseph Mantel, 98 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,600 My son was a bad boy, And it's a mother 99 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,560 saying that, mister Miller. When he was sixteen he stole 100 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,360 the car. At eighteen he robbed a candy store. So 101 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,839 of course any jury would say that at nineteen he'd 102 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,240 hold up another store and steal two thousand dollars. 103 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 3: And beat up the storekeeper and his wife. I'd say 104 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:02,879 the same thing. 105 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,879 Speaker 4: You see, the night of the robbery, he was going away. 106 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,560 I got three hundred dollars together. More like it's there. 107 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:15,360 You see, my husband is dead, and we bought Joey 108 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,199 a second hand car, and he was going away. I 109 00:07:19,399 --> 00:07:22,040 was sitting on the steps that night and he was 110 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:25,199 in the garage fixing the car. 111 00:07:26,399 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 3: What's California like, mae. 112 00:07:28,319 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 4: Oh, it's nice, Joey. A boy could well, he could 113 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:33,319 find himself there. 114 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 6: You don't know me, ma'am. 115 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,279 Speaker 5: I got two strikes against me. 116 00:07:37,879 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: If he tries hard, he could find himself. 117 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: Mam. 118 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: Sometimes I think when they had it out luck, I 119 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:46,279 was out for a beer. 120 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:49,839 Speaker 4: Now, don't make smart jokes, Joey okay. 121 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:52,519 Speaker 5: They must have seen you coming when they sold you 122 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:53,120 that jollobby. 123 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,839 Speaker 4: It'll get you to California, and that's all I want. Look, Joey, 124 00:07:58,120 --> 00:07:59,920 people in California never heard. 125 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:05,319 Speaker 5: It's not so easy. CoP's hurting me. Man, other kinds 126 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,079 of people do. I'll get yourself, but. 127 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:09,879 Speaker 4: You've got nothing to be ashamed of. It did your 128 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,240 time for the wrong thing that you did. You'll go 129 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:14,399 there and make a new star. 130 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sure, who knows, Maybe I'll be the next 131 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:20,879 Van Johnson. Joe mantell him home on arrange playing at you? 132 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:22,759 Speaker 4: What is it? 133 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:23,879 Speaker 3: Joey okay? 134 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 4: Man, tell come on, what's the met officer? What's happened? 135 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:29,199 Speaker 3: Didn't they tell you? 136 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 6: No, you'll find out. 137 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: Let's go. 138 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,279 Speaker 2: The sergeant is waiting for you. 139 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:32,559 Speaker 3: Man. 140 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:34,799 Speaker 6: Tell now, judge and a jury and I think there'll 141 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,480 be a nice, comfortable cell too. 142 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:44,159 Speaker 4: Now come on, that's the God's truth, mister Miller. He 143 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,360 was going away to turn over a new leaf too. 144 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,519 Speaker 6: Okay, missus Mantel, I heard you. If you excuse me, 145 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,639 I got a lot of work to do. Free witnesses 146 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:52,159 saw him. 147 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: Maybe Joey was right. Who strikes against you? He said, 148 00:08:58,159 --> 00:09:00,679 chances are break out. 149 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 6: I'm sorry, take that door out, William, Missus Mantel. I'm 150 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,960 not a charitable institution, but I'm not a dope either. 151 00:09:11,399 --> 00:09:14,879 And that's all you close your mind to. It happens 152 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:18,679 every day. Every crook with a mother is innocent. You 153 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,039 go back to the real world of being an honest reporter, 154 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,799 and then something happens and you realize that you haven't 155 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,639 shaken the Mantel case from your mind because you. 156 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,919 Speaker 3: Write the story Smith. Yeah, why but the two guys 157 00:09:31,919 --> 00:09:34,000 that held up the gas station told you I did 158 00:09:34,519 --> 00:09:38,039 send them the manner? Oh no, nothing, just but did 159 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:38,960 you see the crooks? 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 7: Sure? 161 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: I saw them? Hey, what's eating you? Just sis? 162 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 6: The two criminals Bud and frank Enright nineteen and twenty one, 163 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,279 in addition to robbing the attendant. 164 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 3: Beat him cruelly as well. The injuries may prove fatal 165 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:58,399 because the attendant was a man well in his sixties. 166 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:03,200 So nothing. Just just reminds me of another case. Just 167 00:10:03,279 --> 00:10:09,159 wonder if three witnesses couldn't be wrong, jury couldn't be 168 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:18,559 that wrong? Yeah, oh how could they? Smithy went jail? 169 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:29,080 Of those two crooks in Sergeant? Can I see this 170 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:32,840 butt hand? Right? Sure? It's a free country. What's the 171 00:10:32,879 --> 00:10:36,759 point Miller? But I just just that I want to 172 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:39,960 make sure I didn't insult an old lady. 173 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 8: H I don't know what you're talking about, But go ahead, 174 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:44,279 go as far as you like. 175 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:52,879 Speaker 3: I want to leave me in the cola. Will you? 176 00:10:52,879 --> 00:10:55,360 You look like him? You know that? Don't you like 177 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,279 Joe Joe Mantel? Is he a boy who was set 178 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,360 up for beating and robbing a couple who ran a 179 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,840 dry goods store on East one hundred and second Street 180 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:08,559 six months ago? So what I looked like him? Did 181 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,240 you do that job? Don't be stupid? I look but 182 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:12,919 you're in a bad way. You may get life, you 183 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,559 know that. Don't you get out of here. I got 184 00:11:14,639 --> 00:11:16,240 a right to be alone. You and your brother stuck 185 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:17,600 up that couple, didn't you. 186 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:18,759 Speaker 1: Yeah? 187 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, we stuck him up and tipped the cops to 188 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:21,879 pick up this man. 189 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,759 Speaker 3: Tell what do you got to lose? Tell the truth. 190 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:27,559 Maybe an innocent kid is up for fifteen years for 191 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:30,320 what you did. My heart's bleeding. 192 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,639 Speaker 9: I got out of here, and leave me alone. 193 00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:35,279 Speaker 3: What kind of jalus anyhow? Anybody can come and here 194 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:44,279 see anything he wants. Leave me alone. Mister Jenkins, you 195 00:11:44,399 --> 00:11:47,200 identified this man as the robber of the dry goods store. 196 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,039 Speaker 9: Ooh, young man, I testified to that effecting court. 197 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 3: This is the man, isn't it. This is his picture, 198 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:53,159 that's right now. 199 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:54,519 Speaker 9: If you don't mind that this is. 200 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,519 Speaker 6: Not Joe Mantel, that's right. This is butt End, right, 201 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,279 not Joe Mantel. But then you're not sure it was 202 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,159 Mantell who held up that store. I might have been 203 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:06,480 this man. Yes, thanks, that's all I wanted to know. 204 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,240 Is this the man, missus smothers? 205 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 4: It certainly is. I'd know his faith anywhere he came 206 00:12:19,519 --> 00:12:20,480 in our store as well. 207 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,919 Speaker 6: This is not the man your testimony convicted, Missus Smothers. 208 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:25,039 Speaker 3: This is another man. 209 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,799 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, that's terrible. 210 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: You're sure I told you I didn't do it. 211 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: We are you gonna leave me alone? 212 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 3: And right, I've got affidavids from three witnesses saying you 213 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,759 were the man, not mantel from the storekeepers too. I 214 00:12:47,799 --> 00:12:50,279 why don't you stop it? You're gonna get life anyhow, playball, 215 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,360 Maybe something can be done. 216 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,559 Speaker 9: I don't want any part of it. 217 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,639 Speaker 3: Maybe it's a stupid thing to say about a little 218 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,840 thing like your conscience. 219 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,879 Speaker 6: About a little thing like that fact that this kid's 220 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:07,159 mother is sick to death. Because right, I swear I'm 221 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:08,759 gonna haunt you to you tell me the truth. 222 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: I'm gonna rise right, shut up. 223 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 3: I got a statement right here. I read it and 224 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,080 read it carefully. Okay, let me see it. 225 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,279 Speaker 6: Hell there it is Commission of the works, signed confession 226 00:13:38,279 --> 00:13:40,879 by and right Affidavit's an error by the witnesses. And 227 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:43,200 now all you have to do is see the governor. 228 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 3: Suppose we go slow, melone, What do you mean slow? 229 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Everything's right here in front of your commission. Sure? Sure? 230 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 9: What is the confession of a life termal word? What 231 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,039 did you are from the sign of sympathetic treatment in 232 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,320 your paper? No, Peter, little sentiment. The most crooks they'll 233 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,080 oblige you. What have they got to lose. That confession 234 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,120 isn't worth the papers written on? What about the affidavits 235 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,120 of the witnesses. What about missus smothers who owned the store? 236 00:14:09,159 --> 00:14:12,399 What that they made a mistake that they said Enright 237 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,440 was Mantell? I could get them to say man Tell 238 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,039 was enright, or maybe somebody else. Maybe instead of making 239 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,080 one mistake, they're making two mistakes. 240 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:22,279 Speaker 3: What proof have. 241 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,639 Speaker 9: You got, real proof, absolute proof that would warrant our 242 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:26,679 reversing the jury? 243 00:14:26,759 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: What this man is innocent? 244 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 9: I know, I know an innocent man is in prison 245 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,840 makes a great story. But how does this one strike you? 246 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,679 A guilty man is a pardon? How do you like 247 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,159 that stime? 248 00:14:40,279 --> 00:14:42,559 Speaker 3: Mantell didn't do it. He was fixing his car that night, 249 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:45,399 he was going to California. A jury thought otherwise. 250 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 9: Twelve honest men and women as honest as you or 251 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,639 I they thought otherwise. You think you've got enough to 252 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,080 throw that decision away In the Sullivan case and the 253 00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,399 King's walla, sure you bet at a thousand there, only 254 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,600 this time you might be betting zero. Nothing you've shown 255 00:15:01,639 --> 00:15:03,960 me would make the government give man Tell a pardon. Nothing. 256 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: I want proof, Meller proof. Maybe this will sound high 257 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:11,399 handed to you. 258 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 9: But it happens to be my philosophy, the philosophy of 259 00:15:14,159 --> 00:15:17,679 the course of this country. A jury has the last word. 260 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,720 Trial by jury is the pillar of decency and law. 261 00:15:21,759 --> 00:15:24,080 You don't throw that over for a whim or an idea, 262 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,919 even because a smart reporter comes in and presents you 263 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,559 with something that indicates, maybe, just maybe something is wrong. 264 00:15:32,159 --> 00:15:34,879 Think that over, Miller. Any time you want to speak 265 00:15:34,919 --> 00:15:39,799 to me again, come right in. I'm honest, but I'm 266 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,360 hard headed. You'll be the same. 267 00:15:55,879 --> 00:16:00,159 Speaker 2: We'll be back in just a moment with tonight's big story. 268 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,919 Speaker 6: Now back to your narrator, Bob Sloan, and the big 269 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,559 story of William Miller as he lived it and wrote it. 270 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,759 You walk out of the commission this office slowly weigh 271 00:16:16,879 --> 00:16:20,720 his words because you're just a reporter, Bill Miller, a 272 00:16:20,759 --> 00:16:23,879 reporter for the Cleveland Press. You think over what he 273 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,000 said that courts and trial by jury are the pillars 274 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,639 of our society. And you know he has a point, 275 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,320 a big point. And so as you move ahead now 276 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:36,399 you look for proof, proof that'll be important enough to 277 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,879 reverse the decision by a jury of twelve men and 278 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,840 women tried and true. Your first step is taken with 279 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:46,159 a specialist, doctor Thompson, an expert for the light detector. 280 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,120 You too, sit down with Joe Mantel, and as the 281 00:16:49,159 --> 00:16:51,720 doctor gives him a test for truth, you can hear 282 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:52,519 his heartbeat. 283 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:58,519 Speaker 8: No, just relax, mister Mantel, if you please and answer 284 00:16:58,519 --> 00:16:59,159 the questions. 285 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:03,159 Speaker 3: I'll ask you yes, yes, sir. Are you innocent? 286 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:05,799 Speaker 5: Yes, sir, doctor I am. 287 00:17:06,039 --> 00:17:09,839 Speaker 3: Where were you on the night of the robbery fixing 288 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,160 my car? What kind of car? Was it? 289 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 9: A Chevy invertible? 290 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:22,079 Speaker 3: How many times were you convicted before? Twice, both times 291 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,799 for robbery, But this time you're innocent, Yes, sir, I'm innocent. 292 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:30,640 I never everywhere, missus smothers. The storekeeper said you hit 293 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,759 her husband on the head. That's a lie. I never did. 294 00:17:32,839 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 9: I wouldn't hit a man old enough to be my father. 295 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 10: All right, mister man Tel, that'll do. That'll do very nice. 296 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,759 Just sit still in right. This is a lie, Detective. 297 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: I signed your statement, didn't I. 298 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,839 Speaker 9: We gotta boto me with all. 299 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 3: This four Just answer the questions. 300 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 6: Nothing's going to happen to you, all right, mister Miller. 301 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:56,759 Speaker 3: I'm ready. 302 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,599 Speaker 8: Now, mister Enwright, describe what happened when you went into 303 00:18:01,599 --> 00:18:02,039 the store. 304 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 3: I walked in here, my brother. 305 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 5: It wouldn't add over the money, so I took it. 306 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,839 Speaker 3: They had it in the little police and then you 307 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,160 hit him. Frank hit him. We wanted to be sure 308 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,680 they wouldn't call the cops. 309 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 9: Then you walked out and we put out the lights 310 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:20,680 and then walked out. 311 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: How much money was in the police two thousand bucks. 312 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 4: Ain't got enough. 313 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,799 Speaker 6: Your brother says you hit him, and he's a liar, 314 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:30,119 a dirty liar. 315 00:18:30,759 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: All right, mister enlright, fine, thank you. 316 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,079 Speaker 9: I'll do me a favor, Miller, get that man, tell 317 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,720 Punk out of jail and leave me alone. 318 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,839 Speaker 3: I'll try, buddy, I'll try. 319 00:18:49,839 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 8: The tests Commissioner established in my judgment the Innocence of 320 00:18:53,759 --> 00:18:57,200 Joseph Mantel, and demonstrate that bud Enwright was telling the 321 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:58,920 truth when he admitted the robbery. 322 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 3: I see or what do you say, Commissioner, my detectors 323 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:04,319 of funny things? 324 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 9: Tell me, doctor, how do you explain this chart for 325 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,880 wild beatings and vibrations during Mantell's testimony that he was 326 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,480 telling the truth. Well, he's young and excitable. Anyone would 327 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,400 have such reaction. Then they're not conclusive. He might have 328 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,000 had the same reactions if he were lying. 329 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,279 Speaker 6: Well, Commissioner, and writes, Chard shows that he wasn't lying, 330 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:23,720 not to me. 331 00:19:23,799 --> 00:19:25,839 Speaker 3: It doesn't well, why doesn't it? 332 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 9: Because check me on this doctor. The lie detector breaks 333 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,599 down when it comes to hardened criminals. I mean a 334 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,839 man with a record who over a period of years 335 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,200 has built himself up to lie evenly. Such a man 336 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,640 could fool a lie detector. Right well, there would be 337 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:45,119 some difficulty in such a case, read and writes record 338 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,920 Miller seven major crimes in six years, everything from smuggling 339 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,640 to assault to Washington robbery. Such a man is constitutionally 340 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,680 unable to distinguish between right and wrong. 341 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 6: But for Heaven's sake, commission I still see a jury 342 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,279 of twelve people deliberating in a closed room settling fate 343 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:00,720 of a man. 344 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,799 Speaker 9: I don't see this kind of half evidence changing what 345 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,160 went on. 346 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,759 Speaker 3: In that room? Or what do you want? 347 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 9: I want a reason, a better reason than you've given me, 348 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,640 for reversing a jury. 349 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 6: You write articles in your paper bill alone, articles pointing 350 00:20:23,279 --> 00:20:26,480 out the validity of your case. You call upon outstanding 351 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,640 citizens to rally around the innocence of Joe Mantel. You 352 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,519 bring support to your case in the person of the 353 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:35,400 most respectable citizens of Cleveland, and then you go to 354 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,079 see the commissioner once more. 355 00:20:38,039 --> 00:20:41,079 Speaker 3: No, I won't change my mind. Oh look, this has 356 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,519 gone beyond the stage of reasonable doubt. Here are the 357 00:20:43,599 --> 00:20:46,359 names of two hundred of the most prominent citizens of Cleveland. 358 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 9: I was just as impressed with the names of the 359 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:53,119 witnesses and the storekeeper's wife. Size doesn't change this. The 360 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,000 importance of the people who signed doesn't change it. They 361 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,599 didn't sit on that jury. They didn't hear all the evidence. 362 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 6: Well, suppose I got the juris themselves. 363 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 3: Would that change your mind? How could you do that? 364 00:21:06,079 --> 00:21:09,279 Speaker 9: The jury was empaneled over a year ago. A lot 365 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:12,920 of those people are who knows, all over the state, 366 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,000 maybe some out of the state. 367 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 3: How could you get them? I suppose I did? What 368 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,720 would you say? Then? You really believe in this, don't you? 369 00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,559 Just as much as you believe in the sanctity of 370 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:26,200 the courts. 371 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 9: If you will get the jury, Miller, I'll get you 372 00:21:30,279 --> 00:21:31,319 some action from the governor. 373 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,799 Speaker 3: Now you've said something, Bill Miller, You're going to. 374 00:21:43,759 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 6: Get the jury to reverse themselves. And in saying it, 375 00:21:46,759 --> 00:21:49,920 you've set a mouthful, because, just as the commissioner thought, 376 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:51,640 half the jurors can't. 377 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 3: Be located easily. 378 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 6: Some have moved out the cities, some other states that 379 00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:56,680 you go after them. 380 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 3: You reach them. 381 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,279 Speaker 6: Wherever they are and present the testimony of the ways, 382 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,599 you show them the photos, you bring them the lie detective. 383 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 9: Tests, and finally, after. 384 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: A year of hard work, you've. 385 00:22:08,519 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 6: Got eleven jurors agreeing that Joe Mantel should be pardoned. 386 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,440 But eleven isn't twelve, and the twelfth dura, Missus Anna Ryder, 387 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:21,839 can't be found anywhere. And then your phone names. 388 00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 4: Miller speaking mister Miller, this is Missus Mantel. 389 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 3: Hello, Missus Mantel. 390 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 4: Oh, I'm fine, I'm tined. I haven't had a tendency 391 00:22:30,279 --> 00:22:32,119 yet to tell you how much I appreciate all that 392 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:33,680 you've done. 393 00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:37,279 Speaker 3: I wish it, you know, I haven't been able to 394 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:38,480 finish when I started. 395 00:22:38,599 --> 00:22:42,039 Speaker 4: Yes, I know, Missus Ryder, the twelfth juris. 396 00:22:41,839 --> 00:22:43,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't find her anywhere. 397 00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:45,799 Speaker 4: But that's why why I called you. 398 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: I found that we've done your father. 399 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 4: Where mister Miller, she's very sick and she's in the hospital. 400 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 3: Could we stay her? 401 00:22:54,599 --> 00:22:54,759 Speaker 6: Well? 402 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:57,079 Speaker 4: I don't know that the doctor says her condition is 403 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:57,640 very serious. 404 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: Give me the name of the hospital. Maybe we can 405 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:16,119 do it, Missus Mantell. Maybe we can. And that's the story, 406 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:16,839 Missus Ryder. 407 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 4: Thank you for coming. 408 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,559 Speaker 7: You see I'm dying, mister Miller. Oh yes I know, 409 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:29,079 but I thank you for coming. Always, since I saw 410 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:33,559 your first articles in the paper months ago, always there 411 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,000 was a little cloud of doubt in my mind. And 412 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:42,039 if I died with such a thing on my conscious No, no, 413 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:46,799 you see his mother, this innocent boy's mother, she might 414 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:52,000 have been me. No, no, mister Miller, I thank you 415 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,799 for coming. You have a paper for me to sign, 416 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:13,359 Give me the paper, and bless you, blessed you for coming. 417 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 4: I'm so glad you came, mister Miller. Joey is so 418 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,559 happy since he was pardoned by the governor. 419 00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,279 Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad too, Missus Mantel. It's a very nice party. 420 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 4: Yes, it's a coming home party and going away party too. 421 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:34,799 Did you have some turkey. 422 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,319 Speaker 3: Just like I did? What do you mean going away? 423 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 4: You haven't seen Joey, have you? 424 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,279 Speaker 3: No? I was beginning to wonder work. 425 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 4: Well, he's out in the back in the garage, fixing 426 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,319 up the car. He said, he don't want a party, 427 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,920 he just wants to go away. He's changed, mister Miller, 428 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,960 thanks to you. No chip on his shoulder now no 429 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,160 two strikes against. 430 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,519 Speaker 5: Go out, mister Miller. 431 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,559 Speaker 4: Shake his hand and wish him luck. Joey had liked 432 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,960 that better than anything in the world. 433 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: In just a moment, we'll read you a telegram from 434 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,519 William Miller the Cleveland Press with the final outcome of 435 00:25:31,519 --> 00:25:40,480 tonight's big story. Now we read you that telegram from 436 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,839 William Miller of the Cleveland, Ohio. Pretz couldn't write story 437 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,400 of my meeting that day with Mantell a little too personal, 438 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:52,119 little too private, but could tell that by way he said, Hi, useful, 439 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,599 life had been reclaimed. Feeling was justified when two years 440 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,559 later received postcard from Mantell in California. He was happy, 441 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,319 had a good job, doing well. Many thanks for tonight's 442 00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,559 Pellmell Award. Thank you, mister Miller. The makers of Pell 443 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,519 Mell proud to have named you the winner of the 444 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,680 Pell Mell five hundred dollars Award for notable service in 445 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,759 the field of journalism. 446 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 6: Listen again next week, same time, same station, when Pell 447 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:20,759 Melts will present Another Big Story. A Big Story from 448 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:25,079 the front pages of the Indianapolis Star Byeline Robert Early. 449 00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:33,039 A Big Story about racing cards, reckless men and the 450 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:41,160 driver who gambled and lost. 451 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: A Big Story is produced by Bernard J. Potter with 452 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,480 music by Voda Mistelinski's Tonight's Program was written by Arnold Pearl. 453 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,079 Your narrator will Bob Sloan and Arnold Moss played the 454 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,279 part of William Miller. In order to protect the names 455 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:09,400 of people actually involved in Tonight's authentic Big Story, the 456 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:12,759 names of all characters in the dramatization were changed, with 457 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:25,920 the exception of the reporter, mister Miller. This is Ernest 458 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,000 Chappel speaking for the makers of Palnel Famous Cigarettes. 459 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 11: This is NBC, the National Broadcasting Company, Welcome Back. 460 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,279 Speaker 1: The cast of this episode, in addition to mister Moss, 461 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:55,880 included Barbara Weeks, Addie Klein, Santos Ortega, Mickey O'Day, Edgerome's 462 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,119 Jack Rohymes, and narrator Bob Sloan, who took on a character. 463 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,160 As usual. These episodes are fascinating time capsules. Well, the 464 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,920 commissioner ended up wrong. Miller was right that he had 465 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,680 a point. Letting jury verdicts get overturned because of pressure 466 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,039 from the press really could set a bad precedent. And 467 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,680 I appreciated that the commissioner didn't just change his mind 468 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,160 because important people thought that the results should be changed, 469 00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:33,640 but their stubbornness, and then there's just being obstinate, and 470 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,400 the sort of level to a proof that Miller had 471 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:42,559 to go through and getting all jurors to agree is 472 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:47,680 really just ridiculous, because he provided a lot of evidence 473 00:28:47,759 --> 00:28:51,799 to cast doubt on the results of the case, even 474 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:57,079 though for the time the commissioner's view of the jury 475 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,119 verdict was exalted beyond beyond reason. Now, I did dig 476 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,920 up the original story as to what happened. It all 477 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:11,640 culminated in the January seventeenth, nineteen thirty seven issue of 478 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,759 the Cleveland News. It involved a young man named Frank 479 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,240 Basey who was convicted in nineteen thirty four and pardoned 480 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,519 by Governor Martin Davy in nineteen thirty seven. Now, the 481 00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:29,039 actual story is very similar to what we heard on 482 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:33,200 the radio, even getting all twelve yeurors degree and the 483 00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:36,720 last year being on their deathbed, but there were some 484 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,279 things that were different. The lie detector was arranged not 485 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,079 by Miller, but by the Cleveland Association for Criminal Justice, 486 00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:51,279 who actually issued a full report to the governor in 487 00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,960 the spring of nineteen thirty six. They talked about the 488 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:59,000 lie detective results, they talked about the confessions and the 489 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:03,559 evidence that they had gathered, and this made its way 490 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:10,319 to the governor's executive secretary, who recommended clemency be given. 491 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:16,279 But apparently the whole thing got lost as not a 492 00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:22,240 thing happened with it for nine months. Sorry for leaving 493 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:27,359 you in prison all that time. That is an unpardonable 494 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:32,599 clerical error. Miller had reported on the story and really 495 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,759 started to beat the drum, particularly on New Year's Eve 496 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,839 nineteen thirty six, covering the fact that the family have 497 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:47,680 mister Basie back and that there had been no response 498 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:52,279 from the governor's office. One key emission from the radio 499 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:57,799 episode was that Basie had a brother. In fact, Basie's brother, Max, 500 00:30:58,519 --> 00:31:02,880 was actually put on trial at the same time as Basie, 501 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,880 but he was acquitted and he was a key part 502 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:12,880 of finding the last juror. It was him, not the mother, 503 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,319 who found the juror. And then Max Bazie went to 504 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:24,759 Columbus and sat outside the Governor's office for eleven straight 505 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,240 days until the governor issued a pardon. It's unlikely that 506 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:35,680 the commissioner represented a single person, and really, if you're 507 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:41,079 a newspaper, do you really need the police commissioner's support 508 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,799 to get someone out of prison. He may have represented 509 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:52,599 a composite of different people who had objections at different 510 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,799 stages of the efforts to free Frank Bazie. And the 511 00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:02,000 adding of such a composite character and kind of taking 512 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,480 some of the things that Max Bazy did and attributing 513 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:11,319 them to the mother is completely understandable because of some 514 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,480 of the challenges that come into producing radio drama. Every 515 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,559 single actor in this episode was doubling up another part, 516 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,440 and you even had the narrator acting. Oh, you have 517 00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:32,119 limits time, the budget as well as the cast size, 518 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:37,319 and you just had to keep things manageable while trying 519 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,119 to reflect what happened as best you can within the 520 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,160 limits that you have in producing a radio drama. Well, 521 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,279 now it's time to thank our Patreon supporter of the day, 522 00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,319 and I want to thank Joey, Patreon supporter since June 523 00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,160 twenty nineteen, currently supporting the podcast at the rookie level 524 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,359 of two dollars or more per month. Thanks so much 525 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,200 for your support, Joey. That will do it for today. 526 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,680 If you're enjoying the podcast, please follow us using your 527 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,279 favorite podcast software, and be sure to rate and review 528 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,799 the podcast wherever you download it from. We'll be back 529 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,160 next Tuesday with another episode of the Big Story, but 530 00:33:14,279 --> 00:33:16,920 join us back here tomorrow for Broadways My Beat. 531 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,119 Speaker 12: Where the man who was with you last night he 532 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,359 said you wanted to talk to me. 533 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,039 Speaker 13: It could have waited, Miss Carroll, until you felt better, 534 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:25,119 and until you it will. 535 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 12: Not be forgotten that easily, mister Clover, That's what you mean. 536 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,200 If you have something to ask, ask only don't prolong it, 537 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,839 don't make me wait and wonder. SoRs enough by itself, don't. 538 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,759 Speaker 13: You think, yes, yes it is, and you try to 539 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:42,240 understand us scale A. 540 00:33:42,319 --> 00:33:46,359 Speaker 12: Man I loved, who loved me is dead by his 541 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,880 own hand, by his own will. He could have lifted 542 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,720 his burden onto me, whatever it was, but he didn't, 543 00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:57,359 and now he's dead. 544 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 13: You want more than that, maybe because this is my job, 545 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,480 because I can't rule out the possibility that David Blaine 546 00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:05,079 was murdered. 547 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,119 Speaker 12: Awful, how ugly of you to think a thing like that, 548 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:17,000 that anyone could have wanted my David dead. It's ugly. 549 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then. 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