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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have to talk about it a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>And does that mean the H one B visa thing

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<v Speaker 2>will not be a big priority for your administration, Because

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to raise wages for American workers, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds.

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<v Speaker 1>Of And we also do have to bring in talent when.

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<v Speaker 2>We got your talent and fail, you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have talent. No, you don't know, you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Six words that may have just ended the magatrain. Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>a guy who campaigned repeatedly on the opposite, is now

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<v Speaker 3>saying Nope, we cannot do it without immigration. Don't take

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<v Speaker 3>my word for it. Here's Donald Trump on the campaign

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<v Speaker 3>trail many many moons ago, when he still actually believed

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<v Speaker 3>in putting America first.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, I think, and I know the

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<v Speaker 4>H one be very well, and it's something that I

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<v Speaker 4>frankly use and I shouldn't be allowed to use. We

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<v Speaker 4>shouldn't have it. Very very bad for workers. And second

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<v Speaker 4>of all, I think it's very important to say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a businessman and I have to do what I

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<v Speaker 4>have to do, and it's sitting there waiting for you.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's very bad it's very bad for business in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of it's very bad for our workers, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>unfair for our workers, and we should end it.

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<v Speaker 3>So campaign Donald Trump h one b's are a scam

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<v Speaker 3>and they're basically being taken advantage of by corporations to

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<v Speaker 3>try and undercut the wages of the domestic population. And

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<v Speaker 3>then President Donald Trump in twenty twenty five saying, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have talented people here that can do these jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>You cannot possibly take an American kid and train him

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<v Speaker 3>on how to make batteries the way the South Koreans do.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have talent people now you don't have you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have certain talents, and you have to people have

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<v Speaker 1>to learn. You can't take people off an unemployment like

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<v Speaker 1>an unemployment line and say I'm going to put you

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<v Speaker 1>into a factory who we're going to make missiles or

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going.

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<v Speaker 3>To put do we ever do it before?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Lemon and I I'll give you an example. In

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had

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<v Speaker 1>people from from South Korea that made batteries all their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, making batteries are very complicated It's not an

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<v Speaker 1>easy thing and very dangerous, a lot of explosions, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred

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<v Speaker 1>people early stages to make batteries and to teach people

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of the country. You're going to need that lure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't just say, take people off an unemployment line

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<v Speaker 1>who haven't worked in five years and they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>start making their missiles.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't work that well.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Well, aside from the fact that that's just

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<v Speaker 3>patently false, and aside from the fact that like the

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<v Speaker 3>university system in America, despite all of its flaws, actually

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<v Speaker 3>does produce kids that are capable of doing a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of things. Even if you just assume for a second

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<v Speaker 3>that the university system does not do those things, it

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<v Speaker 3>does not prepare anybody to do anything of value, which

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<v Speaker 3>oftentimes that is true. Well, then how about you actually

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<v Speaker 3>take a holistic approach to this. How about you actually

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<v Speaker 3>do something to help these kids. How about you acknowledge

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that the printing and borrowing and spending that

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<v Speaker 3>you did in your first term ultimately destroyed the dollar

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<v Speaker 3>and made it extraordinarily challenging for these kids to get ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>How about you acknowledged the fact that the lockdown era

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<v Speaker 3>and the forced social distancing and the masking for kids

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<v Speaker 3>while they were in high school, in the most important

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<v Speaker 3>formative years of their life or younger for that matter,

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<v Speaker 3>they were essentially tormented by some of your policies. How

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<v Speaker 3>about you acknowledged that. How about you acknowledge the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that the DEI environment completely destroyed the education system and

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<v Speaker 3>made it so that professors were ultimately just demeaning all

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<v Speaker 3>of the men in their class or all of the boys,

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<v Speaker 3>i should say, and just breaking their spirits. And now

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<v Speaker 3>you expect them to just bounce back after that in

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<v Speaker 3>the me too environment and cancel culture and then being

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<v Speaker 3>put through lockdowns and then put through the most progressive

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<v Speaker 3>garbage education system you can imagine, And then you go,

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<v Speaker 3>they can't build batteries. Okay, whose fault is that? Though? Look,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that the state is required to make

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<v Speaker 3>us capable of doing anything. Quite the contrary. I'm arguing,

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<v Speaker 3>quite specifically the inverse of that, that the state has

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<v Speaker 3>hindered the development of these children. And now instead of

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledging the damage done by not just Donald Trump but

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<v Speaker 3>every politician in our lifetimes. Instead, he goes the opposite direction,

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<v Speaker 3>and he says, well, they're useless. They can't actually accomplish

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<v Speaker 3>any of these things, So we're going to replace them

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<v Speaker 3>with immigrants, vih one b's or otherwise. In what world

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<v Speaker 3>is that America first? And what world is that making

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<v Speaker 3>America great again? It comes across much more obviously to

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<v Speaker 3>be an appealed to your donors, to the special interests

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<v Speaker 3>that clearly run your White House and run you. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what your base is reflecting on and

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<v Speaker 3>realizing and coming to terms with, is that you're a fraud,

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<v Speaker 3>that what brought you to power is not what keeps

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<v Speaker 3>you in power, That the people that keep you in

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<v Speaker 3>power don't want to focus on actually remedying any of

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<v Speaker 3>the issues that have plagued young people in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>but instead to replace them entirely, which is in effect,

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<v Speaker 3>very little difference from what the Joe Biden or Kamala

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<v Speaker 3>Harris presidency would have delivered for them. So when you

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<v Speaker 3>see your poll numbers taking, just remember it's not us

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<v Speaker 3>that abandon you, it's you that abandon us.

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<v Speaker 6>The Trump administration seems to have been hiding these emails.

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<v Speaker 6>They're not good, Okay, they are completely indefensible. But I

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<v Speaker 6>already told you I was done with MAGA at the

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<v Speaker 6>moment he looked us in the face and he said,

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<v Speaker 6>what files right, what are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 6>Pam Bondi said it was a Democrat hoax. No, I

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<v Speaker 6>think the entire nation has been hoaxed by Republicans and Democrats,

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<v Speaker 6>and there are pervert elites that sit at the top.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can point to many different dates throughout the

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<v Speaker 3>past couple months that would probably be good indications that

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<v Speaker 3>the Trump train was totally off the rails. For me,

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<v Speaker 3>the most obvious date are the inflat auction. Point that

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<v Speaker 3>really jumps to mine was July eighth, when this happened and.

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<v Speaker 7>Released yesterday, and Jeffrey Epstein left some lingering mysteries of

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<v Speaker 7>One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked

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<v Speaker 7>for an American or foreign intelligence agency. The former Leader

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<v Speaker 7>secretary who was Miami US attorney Alex Costa, allegedly said

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<v Speaker 7>that he did work for an intelligence agency. So could

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<v Speaker 7>you resolve whether or not he did, and also could

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<v Speaker 7>you see why there was a minute missing from the

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<v Speaker 7>jailhouse team on the names.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been

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<v Speaker 5>talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas, we

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<v Speaker 5>have this, we have all of the things right, and

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<v Speaker 5>are people still talking about this guy? This creep? That

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<v Speaker 5>is unbelievable? Do you want to waste the time? And

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<v Speaker 5>do you feel like answering?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't mind answering.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on

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<v Speaker 5>at Epstein at a time like this where we're having

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<v Speaker 5>some of the greatest success.

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<v Speaker 3>Are we still talking about Epstein still? I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>can answer the question if you want, but like, are

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<v Speaker 3>we really can't? Haven't we moved on that creep? No,

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<v Speaker 3>actually we haven't moved on. And particularly given that your

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<v Speaker 3>entire cabinet is filled with people that they promised disclosures

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<v Speaker 3>and justice in that arena, we're not going to move on,

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<v Speaker 3>including yourself. So I don't even know why that's so

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<v Speaker 3>beyond the pale.

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<v Speaker 8>The evidence we have in our files clearly indicates that

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<v Speaker 8>it was in fact the suicide.

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<v Speaker 3>We released the video showing definitively the video was not

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<v Speaker 3>conclusive at Jeffrey Epstein's story is a big deal. Please

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<v Speaker 3>do not let that story go.

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<v Speaker 9>Keep your eye on this.

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<v Speaker 10>Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore, and nobody seems to

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<v Speaker 10>want to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But that was kind of the moment where I started

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<v Speaker 3>to realize that there's something deeply, deeply wrong here. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to pretend as if I was the

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<v Speaker 3>first person to realize that. A lot of people, including

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<v Speaker 3>Nick flant Is, identified this before Trump was elected president

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<v Speaker 3>for a second time, and I stand corrected. They were right.

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<v Speaker 3>They got it right. Donald Trump was in fact compromised,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think he was compromised by his donors. Elon

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<v Speaker 3>Musk also got it right. It looks like to me

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<v Speaker 3>when he started to point out that the Epstein files

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<v Speaker 3>are being buried because of Donald Trump's relationship to him. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never claimed and I don't know for a fact

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<v Speaker 3>as to whether or not Trump did anything illegal in

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<v Speaker 3>the Epstein network operation thing. But what I do know

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<v Speaker 3>is that thanks to drop site News over the past

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<v Speaker 3>few weeks, they've been doing incredible work thanks to this

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<v Speaker 3>email leak of I think it was a whu Barock's

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<v Speaker 3>emails that got put online. No other corporate journalist is

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<v Speaker 3>doing this deep diving, of course, because they are all

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<v Speaker 3>essentially forbidden from doing so, I guess. But drop site

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<v Speaker 3>News has been all over this, and God bless them

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<v Speaker 3>for it. What they've proven, beyond a shadow of a

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<v Speaker 3>doubt in my mind, is that Jeffrey Epstein was in

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<v Speaker 3>fact an Israeli asset. And this is evidenced by the

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<v Speaker 3>fact that he had intelligent agents that were staying at

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<v Speaker 3>his property in Manhattan repeatedly. These are Israeli intelligence agents.

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<v Speaker 3>I also had the former Prime Minister of Israel who

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<v Speaker 3>was in constant communication with Jeffrey Epstein and stayed with

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<v Speaker 3>him three dozen times over a few year period, which

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<v Speaker 3>is more often than I see my own family. I

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<v Speaker 3>find that utterly bizarre. So yeah, to believe that he

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't at least an asset of israel I think is

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<v Speaker 3>totally ridiculous. So then you have to connect some dots,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is where it gets uncomfortable for those that

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<v Speaker 3>are tenfoil averse. But the obvious dots to connect is

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<v Speaker 3>that Donald Trump is funded to the tune of hundreds

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<v Speaker 3>of millions of dollars by pro Israel donors. Also those

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<v Speaker 3>same donors are responsible for the primary campaign against Thomas Massey.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would they be so opposed to Thomas Massey. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>Thomas Massey is the one who's responsible today for having

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<v Speaker 3>passed the bill that is essentially going to force a

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<v Speaker 3>vote as to whether or not to release the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 3>So why is it that these pro Israel donors are

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<v Speaker 3>so deeply concerned about the disclosures of the Epstein files.

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<v Speaker 3>Could it be that, in fact, Jeffrey Epstein was an

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<v Speaker 3>Israeli asset, that he was in fact building compromont files

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<v Speaker 3>against the rich and powerful, both in politics and corporate America.

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<v Speaker 3>I would argue that the preponderance of evidence says yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's exactly what his role was. Not to say that

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't have other roles. He was also a major

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<v Speaker 3>financial wheeler and dealer in the gray and black market.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he did that on behalf of multiple state

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<v Speaker 3>intelligence agencies, including Israel as well as our own, probably

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<v Speaker 3>the UK am I six and also arguably the French.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's a jack of all trades. So he was

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<v Speaker 3>serving a lot of purposes. But why is Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 3>who is being smeared as having participated in this underage

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<v Speaker 3>sex trafficking operation. Why would he not want full disclosure if,

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<v Speaker 3>particularly if he's innocent. Well, the obvious answer would be

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<v Speaker 3>financial or otherwise. I can't say definitively why. All I

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<v Speaker 3>know is that Donald Trump is lying. Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 3>covering up Cash Betel and Dan Bongino are doing the same,

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<v Speaker 3>despite promises to the contrary when they were trying to

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<v Speaker 3>Why is there no there there? Dan Cash? And if

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<v Speaker 3>in a tremendous amount of injustice to the American people.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you wonder why Tucker Carlson has flipped against Israel.

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<v Speaker 11>You want people to follow you. You want to sell

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<v Speaker 11>what you're saying is true. Show some love for them,

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<v Speaker 11>demonstrate that you love that you care about them. Why

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<v Speaker 11>are we doing this because we think it's better for you?

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<v Speaker 11>Shapiro and all of these guys, they don't make an

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<v Speaker 11>effort to do that because they.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't feel that way at all. Shut up, Cattle, you're

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<v Speaker 11>Give us the money for our preferred little country, or

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<v Speaker 11>else we're going to denounce you.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 11>Those attitudes are incompatible with leadership. I really care so

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<v Speaker 11>much about this thing, and you better care about it too, Russ.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm going to attack you in deep platform you.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 11>It's illegitimate, actually, and if you keep it up, you're

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<v Speaker 11>flirting with, you know, real backlash, like a real one,

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<v Speaker 11>not Nick fuints like a real one, so cool it.

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<v Speaker 11>Listen to other people, don't treat them like cattle, treat

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<v Speaker 3>Or you wonder why Nick Flintes has grown in prominence, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it's because we have eyes and we have ears, and

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<v Speaker 3>we pay attention, and we know that something is awry,

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<v Speaker 12>What we want is for someone to unashamedly and single

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<v Speaker 12>mindedly advocate for Americans and Americans only. We want someone

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<v Speaker 12>to say, you know, the only thing I care about

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<v Speaker 12>is helping Americans. Only people I care about in the

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<v Speaker 12>world are Americans. And we don't want to just hear that,

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<v Speaker 12>but we want to see the action taken as well.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, I've seen some people on social media say, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>I disagree. I think it is America only. Something is

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<v Speaker 3>totally counter to what our expectations were and to what

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<v Speaker 3>your promises were, and you were failing egregiously. Just yesterday.

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<v Speaker 3>He also promised that he would be bringing in Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>students to fill our university systems on an annual basis.

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<v Speaker 3>That is no small figure.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks are not thrilled about this idea of hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of foreign students in the United States. We have

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<v Speaker 2>about three hundred and fifty thousand Chinese. One point during

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<v Speaker 2>COVID you were going to you know, we'll push to

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<v Speaker 2>get them out, but that was pulled back. You've said

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<v Speaker 2>as many as six hundred thousand Chinese students could come

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<v Speaker 2>to the United States. Why, sir, is that a pro

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<v Speaker 2>maga position when so many American kids want to go

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<v Speaker 2>to school and there are places not for them, and

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<v Speaker 2>these universities are getting rich off Chinese money.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, never said about China, but we do have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people coming in from China. We always have

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<v Speaker 1>China and other countries. We also have a massive system

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<v Speaker 1>that in half, which perhaps make some people happy, you

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<v Speaker 1>would have half the colleges in the United States school

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<v Speaker 1>out of business. Well, I think that's a big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would he do that, Well, because he says otherwise

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<v Speaker 3>the collegiate system in America would collapse, to which I say, good.

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<v Speaker 3>Since when are we in the business of defending academia.

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<v Speaker 3>Academia which has destroyed the minds of young people across

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<v Speaker 3>this country for decades? Now, why would we possibly be

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<v Speaker 3>doing so, why would we possibly be doing anything to

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<v Speaker 3>keep them afloat much less? If China is our enemy,

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<v Speaker 3>our top enemy according to Trump and many other people

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<v Speaker 3>that talk about China as if that's a fact, why

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<v Speaker 3>would we be bringing in over half a million of

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<v Speaker 3>their kids every year to study at our universities? And moreover,

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<v Speaker 3>how is it making America great again to essentially replace

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<v Speaker 3>the American domestic population that wants to go to those

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<v Speaker 3>universities but no longer can because those seats are being

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<v Speaker 3>filled by foreigners. Here's another uncomfortable dot to connect. But

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<v Speaker 3>many people are now theorizing that perhaps the six hundred

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<v Speaker 3>thousand Chinese students being allowed into our country, perhaps that

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<v Speaker 3>was the carrit that was dangled or the trade that

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<v Speaker 3>was made in order to get China to allow for

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<v Speaker 3>the byte dance or TikTok sale to the Israeli side.

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<v Speaker 3>But regardless, does that possibly mean that we are putting

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<v Speaker 3>America first? I don't see how you can make that argument.

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<v Speaker 3>Certainly not. You're not putting American students first, that's for sure. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>then how about the J six justice, seeing as you

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<v Speaker 3>had a couple hundred plain closed police officers that were

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<v Speaker 3>in the crowd on J six. How about the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that we now have pretty damn good evidence through that

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<v Speaker 3>data analysis from the Blaze that it looks as if

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<v Speaker 3>the FBI pulled Kyle Saraffin and his surveillance team off

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<v Speaker 3>of the J five pipe bomber the guy who or

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<v Speaker 3>gal actually who was what it appears to be framing

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<v Speaker 3>the Jay sixers as terrorists, assuming that they did not

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<v Speaker 3>get catalyzed into rioting and storming the capitol, which they did,

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<v Speaker 3>so I guess you didn't have to blow up that bomb.

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<v Speaker 3>So aside from the pardons for the Jay sixers, we're

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<v Speaker 3>not really getting justice when it comes to the entrapment

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<v Speaker 3>scheme that they fell victim to. Shouldn't people be put

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<v Speaker 3>in prison for doing that? I would say definitely. How

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<v Speaker 3>about there being peace in Ukraine? Nope, not that either.

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<v Speaker 3>Another campaign promised that has fallen flat got no obscene disclosures.

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<v Speaker 3>You got six one hundred thousand Chinese students maximum h

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<v Speaker 3>a fifty year mortgage to buy a starter home for

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<v Speaker 3>three quarters of a million dollars, assuming I don't get

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<v Speaker 3>deported for anti Semitism. So yeah, if you rattle off

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<v Speaker 3>this entire list and then you come to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 3>that we're abandoning Donald Trump, I don't think you remember

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<v Speaker 3>at all what he campaigned on. He campaigned in opposition

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<v Speaker 3>to everything I just detailed. So when I say that

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<v Speaker 3>MAGA is not divided, MAGA is dead, I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm overstating it. In fact, one might argue I'm late

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<v Speaker 3>to the game, that it fell apart many months ago.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's sad, because I thought that the coalition that

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump put together was one of the most remarkable

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<v Speaker 3>things I have ever seen in my life of covering politics.

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<v Speaker 3>To have the entire MAGA alliance, which was obviously the

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<v Speaker 3>America First camp, the non interventionist but also more nativistic

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<v Speaker 3>nationalistic side of the conservative wing. You get the make

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<v Speaker 3>America Healthy Again, the RFK juniors, the people that realize

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<v Speaker 3>that our food supply is largely toxic and our diets

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<v Speaker 3>are atrocious, and pharma is a huge problem and in

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<v Speaker 3>fact not a solution in many regards. That was an

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<v Speaker 3>incredible part of the alliance. Then you bring in the

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<v Speaker 3>Libertarians and a non inventionist and the actual truly America first,

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<v Speaker 3>people like myself, and we're like, Okay, this is an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting alliance. This is actually building to something. You got

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<v Speaker 3>rhetoric and seems that he may be on our side

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<v Speaker 3>of the fence too, and then you bring in a

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<v Speaker 3>whole bunch of other people, Elon Musk and Tulci Gabbard,

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<v Speaker 3>and it starts to look like, Wow, this is a

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<v Speaker 3>dream team. This is Brett weinst the world were actually

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<v Speaker 3>putting together avengers of sorts to try and save the country.

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<v Speaker 3>And it felt good and there was hope for a time. Genuinely,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like there was a chance. I wasn't overly optimistic,

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<v Speaker 3>but it did seem given the atrocious political establishment that

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<v Speaker 3>existed prior, this seemed like a huge improvement and an

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<v Speaker 3>opportunity worth taking. Essentially, Donald Trump gets inaugurated and suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>the bait and switch becomes more and more obvious. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's been ten months now and essentially he's delivered on

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<v Speaker 3>nothing aside from securing the border. So I'll give him

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<v Speaker 3>credit for that. I was expecting a bit more, just

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<v Speaker 3>a tad bit more. And apparently that makes me a

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<v Speaker 3>pannikin and that makes me a hater and whatever. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not really interested in the smears. I don't really care.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't have time. We don't have time to allow

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<v Speaker 3>for our political establishment, the political elites, to lie to

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<v Speaker 3>us any longer. We cannot be bait and switched any more.

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<v Speaker 3>We cannot allow for the domestic population to continue to

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<v Speaker 3>be replaced, which is clearly the plan underneath the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 3>just as it was under former administrations. It's egregious, it's deceptive,

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<v Speaker 3>it's disgusting, and if you want to try and take

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<v Speaker 3>the wind out of the sales of one Nick Fuentes,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have to stop. You're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to stop doing these things. And you're not. You're going

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<v Speaker 3>full speed ahead. In fact, you're saying repeatedly that you

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<v Speaker 3>do not need the support of anybody who wants justice

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to the Epstein files. Well, then when

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<v Speaker 3>I don't offer you my support anymore, don't get mad.

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<v Speaker 3>You told me not to, I said, Okay. Simultaneously, we

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<v Speaker 3>have the FBI lying repeatedly when it comes to the

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<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk case and getting tons of things wrong, including

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<v Speaker 3>in the very first day or two where they said

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<v Speaker 3>that they had the guy under in custody and then

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<v Speaker 3>immediately backpedaled and said, no, we don't. And now they

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<v Speaker 3>say that they do, and they also say that he

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<v Speaker 3>worked alone, and they say that if you're digging at all,

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<v Speaker 3>that you're ultimately an anarchist in a danger to the country.

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<v Speaker 3>While simultaneously, Cash Ptel, the head of the FBI's girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that she's some sort of honeypot, which I have

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<v Speaker 3>never made that claim and I have no reason to

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<v Speaker 3>believe it. I have no idea. I hope that you

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<v Speaker 3>and Cash have a great life together. I just really

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<v Speaker 3>wish that Cash Bettel would do his fucking job. That

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<v Speaker 3>would be great. So under the Biden administration you got

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<v Speaker 3>Parker getting hit with five million dollar lawsuits. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess things are kind of not changing very much.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not all negative news. There's some really good things.

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<v Speaker 3>President of Israel, mister Herzog to ask or implore him

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<v Speaker 3>got that on our side. That was a bucket list item,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a box to be checked. When Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 3>that now who pardoned? Because that makes America great again.

421
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<v Speaker 3>But probably more than anything, the reason that Donald Trump

422
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<v Speaker 3>was so beloved is that it became more and more

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<v Speaker 3>apparent to all of us that the political elite literally

424
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<v Speaker 3>hated us. They thought that we were just garbage. From

425
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<v Speaker 3>Hillary Clinton calling us a basket of deplorables and just

426
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<v Speaker 3>the description of us being flyover country and whatever. It

427
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<v Speaker 3>was just obvious that the liberal elites in particular really

428
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<v Speaker 3>had a deep hatred for the American people. So you

429
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<v Speaker 3>got Donald Trump, now, who's obviously the remedy to that.

430
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<v Speaker 3>And then when asked, don't we have plenty of talented

431
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<v Speaker 3>people to get these jobs done, and Donald Trump responds

432
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<v Speaker 3>very bluntly, no, you don't, No, you don't. Add to

433
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<v Speaker 3>this the fact that the unemployment rate for recent college

434
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<v Speaker 3>graduates is now higher today than it was in two

435
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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight and nine, at the height of the

436
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<v Speaker 3>great recession. These kids are being replaced not just by immigrants,

437
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<v Speaker 3>which obviously the immigrant flood has declined this year, thank goodness,

438
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<v Speaker 3>but also by artificial intelligence. This is a tsunami headed

439
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<v Speaker 3>our way. This is going to be a catastrophe of

440
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<v Speaker 3>the highest order, and nobody is preparing for it. Nobody

441
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<v Speaker 3>is being honest about it. Nobody is giving these kids

442
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<v Speaker 3>guidance on how they might ride the wave of the tsunami,

443
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<v Speaker 3>if anything, so that they don't drown underneath it. It's

444
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<v Speaker 3>a huge, huge problem, and the only people speaking to

445
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<v Speaker 3>their concerns are Thomas Massey, MTG. Tucker Carlson. These are

446
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<v Speaker 3>the people that actually seem to understand the problems that

447
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<v Speaker 3>the young people are facing, and as long as you

448
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<v Speaker 3>ignore them, you're going to radicalize them further. We do

449
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<v Speaker 3>have plenty of talented people in this country. All of

450
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<v Speaker 3>the damage done to these kids can and must be undone.

451
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<v Speaker 3>We must remedy what ails them. These are our countrymen,

452
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<v Speaker 3>these are our children. These are the people that we

453
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<v Speaker 3>should put as a priority. If America first means anything,

454
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<v Speaker 3>it must mean that, and if you cannot deliver on that,

455
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<v Speaker 3>then you should resign or you should be impeached, and

456
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<v Speaker 3>I might add that in the mid terms coming up

457
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<v Speaker 3>just a year from now, you're going to get shll Act.

458
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<v Speaker 3>You're going to lose the House, and as soon as

459
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<v Speaker 3>that next Congress is admitted, you're going to be impeached

460
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<v Speaker 3>most likely. And when you are, I want to be

461
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<v Speaker 3>very clear, I and millions of other Americans who defended

462
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<v Speaker 3>you during the nonsensical Russian collusion hoax and that entire

463
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<v Speaker 3>impeachment charade will not be coming to your defense. You

464
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<v Speaker 3>have opted to go with your donors over your voters,

465
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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to find out if the donors can

466
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<v Speaker 3>keep you safe when the establishment comes for you once again,

467
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<v Speaker 3>which they inevitably will. The American people that are paying

468
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<v Speaker 3>attention at least are not going to have your back

469
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<v Speaker 3>because you didn't have hours. And that's really as simple

470
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<v Speaker 3>as it gets. So seeing as you've decided to bait

471
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<v Speaker 3>and switch us and condescend to us and ultimately try

472
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<v Speaker 3>and replace us, don't be surprised when you get replaced yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>It's going to happen. Your presidential term will come to

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<v Speaker 3>an end inevitably, and you're not going to be able

475
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<v Speaker 3>to get anything accomplished because the Democrats are going to

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<v Speaker 3>control the House, probably the Senate, and your legacy will

477
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<v Speaker 3>have gone up in smoke. And it's all your fault

478
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<v Speaker 3>because all you had to do was deliver on what

479
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<v Speaker 3>you promised. You didn't have to pull off miracles. You

480
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<v Speaker 3>just had to be courageous. You didn't have to really

481
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<v Speaker 3>do anything hyper dangerous other than do what you said,

482
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<v Speaker 3>and you would have had the American people backing you

483
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<v Speaker 3>to the end of the earth. You already have such

484
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<v Speaker 3>a tremendous fan base, some truly right or die beautiful

485
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<v Speaker 3>people that want nothing more than this country to be

486
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<v Speaker 3>made great again, and that is why they got behind you,

487
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<v Speaker 3>and then you decided to step on them. And that's

488
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<v Speaker 3>sad and more than that, it's infuriating, and it just

489
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<v Speaker 3>demonstrates that you don't have the courage. And I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that it's necessarily your honest feelings. It's a distinct

491
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<v Speaker 3>possibility that you have been compromised, that you're being threatened

492
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<v Speaker 3>financially or physically, I don't know which, or maybe there's

493
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<v Speaker 3>other avenues of attack that I'm not considering. Maybe there's

494
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<v Speaker 3>threats against your family. There's lots of angles that could

495
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<v Speaker 3>justify why you're being such an unbelievable bitch and liar

496
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<v Speaker 3>right now. But it doesn't change the fact that you're

497
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<v Speaker 3>being a bitch and a liar right now, and therefore,

498
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<v Speaker 3>as a truth teller, I have no choice but to

499
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<v Speaker 3>call you out for it. Donald Trump, you are failing.

500
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<v Speaker 3>You are failing as a president in your second term.

501
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<v Speaker 3>I had such high hopes because you were impeached over garbage,

502
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<v Speaker 3>because the media tried to destroy you, because the FBI

503
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<v Speaker 3>tried to destroy you, because the entire political establishment tried

504
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<v Speaker 3>to destroy you. I had to believe that there was

505
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<v Speaker 3>a chance, just a small fraction of a chance, that

506
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<v Speaker 3>you were the real deal, that you were actually interested

507
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<v Speaker 3>in putting Americans first and essentially ending the empire. You're

508
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<v Speaker 3>not that guy. You don't have the courage to do so.

509
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<v Speaker 3>And JD. Vance, your vice president, doesn't have the courage

510
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<v Speaker 3>to say that you're failing, so he's also not the solution.

511
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<v Speaker 3>We're going to have to find somebody else to me.

512
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<v Speaker 3>The obvious options are Thomas Massey and MTG. And I

513
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<v Speaker 3>know that sounds crazy, but that's the presidential ticket that

514
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<v Speaker 3>I'll be pushing for, and I hope that you'll support

515
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<v Speaker 3>me in that, because I think that's our only hope

516
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<v Speaker 3>at this junction, aside from looking after our families trying

517
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<v Speaker 3>to remedy what the state can't, and really looking out

518
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<v Speaker 3>for our communities, our kids, trying to get them in

519
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<v Speaker 3>front of this AI wave. Believe me when I tell

520
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.000
<v Speaker 3>you it's already upon us, and it's going to grow exponentially.

521
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<v Speaker 3>So this is urgent times, and political solutions are looking

522
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<v Speaker 3>increasingly fleeting, unfortunately. So it's up to us now, It's

523
00:28:00.200 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 3>up to this rag tag group of misfits on the

524
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<v Speaker 3>internet that are simultaneously trying to save the country as

525
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<v Speaker 3>well as solve the Charlie Kirk murder. We got a

526
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<v Speaker 3>lot on our plate, but we also have no choice

527
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<v Speaker 3>but to prevail. So prevail we shall. You cannot break

528
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<v Speaker 3>our spirits. Even when you aly to us, Donnie, We're

529
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<v Speaker 3>still gonna keep forging ahead. We have no other choice.

530
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<v Speaker 3>All right, Let's get into this brief debate I had

531
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<v Speaker 3>with my good friend, the economist Bob Murphy. He was

532
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<v Speaker 3>being very polite and chastising me slightly for aligning my

533
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<v Speaker 3>messaging with one Nick Fuentes. I stand by how I

534
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<v Speaker 3>have been messaging that and making the distinctions between the

535
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<v Speaker 3>two of us known while also echoing the sentiments that

536
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<v Speaker 3>I think he has completely one hundred percent correct, and

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<v Speaker 3>I will continue to do so. But because Bob put

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<v Speaker 3>together an our compilation essentially explaining his hypothesis as to

539
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<v Speaker 3>why I should not be doing so essentially that it

540
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<v Speaker 3>makes it very hard for people to distinguish between the

541
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<v Speaker 3>identitarian in America First movement versus the non interventionist, libertarian

542
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<v Speaker 3>individualist America First Movement. I am not so much interested in,

543
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<v Speaker 3>you know, making that the focus of how I talk

544
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<v Speaker 3>about these things. I think that we don't have the

545
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<v Speaker 3>numbers for purity spiraling games. We have very little time,

546
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<v Speaker 3>and we need people to actually come together to work

547
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<v Speaker 3>on these things. So I will continue to do so

548
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<v Speaker 3>even when we have areas of disagreement. I'm going if

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<v Speaker 3>you if you want to put America first, you're an ally.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how I view it. It's very simple. You might

551
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<v Speaker 3>want to push for socialism, we'll debate that after we

552
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<v Speaker 3>end the empire and focus on Americans. Okay, how about that?

553
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<v Speaker 3>So enjoy this very friendly debate that I had with

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<v Speaker 3>Bob Murphy. If you want to support to work at

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<v Speaker 3>liberty lockpot on X. Subscribe there. I'll follow you back

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<v Speaker 3>will catch you soon the next one. I am joined

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<v Speaker 3>today by the only libertarian with more hair than me.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kidding. You took a dig at my baldness, so

564
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<v Speaker 3>I got a fire back at your illustrious locks. We

565
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<v Speaker 3>got Bob Murphy on today. He put out a very

566
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<v Speaker 3>thoughtful video last night that I took the time to watch,

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<v Speaker 3>and I thought it was a fair criticism. I obviously

568
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<v Speaker 3>have some disagreements, given that I am the one that's

569
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<v Speaker 3>basically the messaging subject of the topic at hand, but

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to give you a couple of minutes just

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<v Speaker 3>to explain your position, and I'll give you my two cents.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, sure, and I appreciate you having me on here.

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<v Speaker 10>And to clarify folks, I said that Clint is a

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<v Speaker 10>tough guy because he has you know, he went completely

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<v Speaker 10>bald so that was the point that I wasn't taking

576
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<v Speaker 10>a dig. He can handle this criticism for sure. And also,

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<v Speaker 10>I should say is a disclaimer. I only picked your tweets, Clint,

578
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<v Speaker 10>or your messaging just so people would have something specific

579
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<v Speaker 10>in mine, right, So I wasn't just speaking in.

580
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<v Speaker 9>Generalizing, Bob, what are you talking about? Give us something.

581
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<v Speaker 10>So so my concern with our sides, and I say

582
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<v Speaker 10>that without irony, like I really do consider like you

583
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<v Speaker 10>and Dave Smith and you know, Glenn Greenwell on this issue,

584
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<v Speaker 10>we're all, you know, on the same side of this stuff.

585
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<v Speaker 10>My concern is the way that we respond to Ben

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<v Speaker 10>Shapiro and like Mark Levin, like they're smear tactics that

587
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<v Speaker 10>I'm concerned that we're giving them almost too much credit

588
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<v Speaker 10>or we're giving them an unnecessary way that they can

589
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<v Speaker 10>appeal to the people they're trying to reach. And so specifically,

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<v Speaker 10>I think that I was trying to think of the

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<v Speaker 10>best way I can get this across to your audience

592
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<v Speaker 10>very succinctly. So think back to when like Darryl Cooper

593
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<v Speaker 10>was on Tucker's show, right, and he had that now

594
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<v Speaker 10>infamous thing where he said, gee, I think the case

595
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<v Speaker 10>that yeah, that Winsters with the Chief Villion and so

596
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<v Speaker 10>of course everyone's running around, oh my gosh, he's a

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<v Speaker 10>Holocaust and Iron he loves Hitler and Da da da

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<v Speaker 10>and so, and I went out, I did an entire

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<v Speaker 10>episode of my show going through and showing no, you're

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<v Speaker 10>misunderstand that's not what he was saying. And then back,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, before my time. But when Pat you can

602
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<v Speaker 10>and came out with his book on the Unnecessary War

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<v Speaker 10>again anti semi you love nazis da da da in

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<v Speaker 10>the anti war crowd, No, that's.

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<v Speaker 9>Not what he was saying that.

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<v Speaker 10>So my concern is when Tucker has you know, Nick

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<v Speaker 10>Fuentes on and then Ben Shapiro and those guys run

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<v Speaker 10>around and.

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<v Speaker 9>Say, oh, he's talking to an anti Semi.

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<v Speaker 10>That kid's a neo Nazi, he's a fascist, but he

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<v Speaker 10>doesn't believe in the Holocaust. That if we say the

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<v Speaker 10>exact same thing for him and said, what are you

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<v Speaker 10>talking about? Come on, guys, the real issue is our

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<v Speaker 10>support for Israel.

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<v Speaker 9>That might you know, normal.

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<v Speaker 10>People who look at those clips might say, no, that

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<v Speaker 10>sounds like he really is.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, again, he could be putting on an act. It's trolling.

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<v Speaker 9>I get it.

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<v Speaker 10>But I'm just saying tactically, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 10>better if instead just so people say okay, we'll Bob

622
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<v Speaker 10>give us something better, instead of saying it that way,

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<v Speaker 10>to just say, look, there are lots of people who

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<v Speaker 10>clearly were not anti Semitic and not even saying anything

625
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<v Speaker 10>in the same zip code as that, and you guys

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<v Speaker 10>use the same smear tactics, and so this is your

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<v Speaker 10>go to card. And you know what, if you don't

628
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<v Speaker 10>want you know, anti semi in this space, then maybe

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<v Speaker 10>you should stop scaring way respectable people. So it's your

630
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<v Speaker 10>own behavior that causes this vacuum. So only someone like

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<v Speaker 10>a Nick fuent Is who has nothing to lose can

632
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<v Speaker 10>come in and talk about these issues. So don't be

633
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<v Speaker 10>surprised you kind of created this. Yeah, so it's sort

634
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<v Speaker 10>of a subtle difference, but I think, you know, an

635
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<v Speaker 10>important one.

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<v Speaker 3>And moreover, if it wasn't for their bad behavior and

637
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.319
<v Speaker 3>smearing and labeling a bunch of non anti Semites anti Semites,

638
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 3>Nick Fuintes probably doesn't exist, you know, like that's his

639
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<v Speaker 3>origin stories. That's what Ben Shapiro did because he was questioning,

640
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<v Speaker 3>you know, our relationship with Israel andies like anybody that

641
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<v Speaker 3>questions the Jewish person as to having dual loyalty as

642
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<v Speaker 3>a you know, classic anti Semite, and Nick Fuentt is

643
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<v Speaker 3>is like what you know, and he's seventeen years old

644
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<v Speaker 3>at the time. You know, I, as I said, I

645
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<v Speaker 3>watched your entire breakdown, and I am sincere when I

646
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<v Speaker 3>say I thought it was very thoughtful. I actually have

647
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<v Speaker 3>a clip that I want to play for you, because

648
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<v Speaker 3>this gives kind of the counter argument to the ideas.

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<v Speaker 9>Not me denying the Holocaust, is it.

650
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<v Speaker 3>No, that would be hilarious, but no, it's not that. Yeah.

651
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<v Speaker 3>So a couple days ago, or maybe it was a

652
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<v Speaker 3>week ago, I don't know how long, there was this

653
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<v Speaker 3>moment with Dave Portnoy, who is Barstool Sports guy, and

654
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 3>this is what happened. Hey, everybody, all right, So there's

655
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<v Speaker 3>this kid who says f the j's and throws coins

656
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>at Dave Portnoy. Obviously an egregious thing to do, not

657
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.400
<v Speaker 3>particularly violent, but still, you know, very very shitty and

658
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<v Speaker 3>not a good sign for our culture. I will agree

659
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<v Speaker 3>with that, But I want you to hear what Nick

660
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<v Speaker 3>Flint has had to say about this.

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, this kind of thing is really a problem. And

662
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<v Speaker 13>before anybody says I got the call or you know,

663
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<v Speaker 13>somebody put me up to this, we do have to

664
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<v Speaker 13>be very careful here, because this is nothing other than

665
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<v Speaker 13>what you could accurately describe as j verbal abuse. Going

666
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<v Speaker 13>up to somebody and saying fuck that person in public

667
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:15.239
<v Speaker 13>and saying fuck you, That actually doesn't change anything. It's rude,

668
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.159
<v Speaker 13>it is disorderly. This is not how we're supposed to behave.

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<v Speaker 13>I don't think that we can hold a society together

670
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<v Speaker 13>if this is what it's going to turn into. And

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<v Speaker 13>I don't think that's any type of civilized way to

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<v Speaker 13>live that people should be getting a screened at or

673
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<v Speaker 13>heckled or punched or beat up. I do actually believe

674
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<v Speaker 13>in civility, and I think that's what America is about.

675
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<v Speaker 13>I think that's Christian and so I would caution everybody because,

676
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<v Speaker 13>don't get me wrong, I don't like Dave Portnoy. I

677
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:48.320
<v Speaker 13>think he's a poser. I think he's an asshole. I

678
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<v Speaker 13>think he's a trader. But if I saw him in

679
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<v Speaker 13>the street, I wouldn't run up on him and yell

680
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<v Speaker 13>fuck you. Honestly, I wouldn't confront him at all. And

681
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<v Speaker 13>if I did I would be polite. I don't think

682
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<v Speaker 13>that's the right thing to do. I don't think that's

683
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<v Speaker 13>the right way to conduct ourselves, and I can't approve

684
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<v Speaker 13>of it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're big into non violence, as am I,

686
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<v Speaker 3>and I think that the obvious claim that he's making

687
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<v Speaker 3>there is one that is relatively Christian ethos, that you

688
00:36:15.719 --> 00:36:18.599
<v Speaker 3>don't want to be aggressing on your fellow man, and

689
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<v Speaker 3>you don't want to be verbally assaulting or physically assaulting them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I just wanted to contend with the argument that

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<v Speaker 3>many people have made because of the clip that you

692
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<v Speaker 3>did play on your show, which is when he was

693
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<v Speaker 3>I think he was eighteen years old at the time

694
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<v Speaker 3>where he's doing the whole oven cookie thing. He's just

695
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<v Speaker 3>not that guy, you know, Like there is additional nuance

696
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<v Speaker 3>to him. That doesn't mean that he's not a white nationalist.

697
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<v Speaker 3>I think it's fair to describe him that way, but

698
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<v Speaker 3>I do think that in terms of calling him a

699
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<v Speaker 3>Nazi someone who's actually interested in vicious political violence and

700
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Paul Groms or whatever, I just don't think that's accurate.

701
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 3>And I think that the nuance on this actually does

702
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<v Speaker 3>matter because he not Because I'm trying to get people

703
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 3>to support him, but because he has a tremendous amount

704
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 3>of support, like that's just the truth. He's got millions

705
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.639
<v Speaker 3>of people, young men in particular, that really you know,

706
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 3>look up to him at this point, and that ideology

707
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 3>is not going away. So my contention is that having

708
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<v Speaker 3>discussions with those same audience members or with Nick himself

709
00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 3>is to our benefit. And I think that the energy

710
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.840
<v Speaker 3>that his movement brings, you know, this kind of infusing

711
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:28.920
<v Speaker 3>a fight back into young men in this country is

712
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 3>a good thing. It's a healthy thing, and it's something

713
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 3>that we need, and it's something that libertarians actually lack

714
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:38.800
<v Speaker 3>to a large extent. So I see it as in

715
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<v Speaker 3>many ways a positive sign, and I know a lot

716
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.360
<v Speaker 3>of libertarians, you know, view it as purely a negative.

717
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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. I guess I just have a

718
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<v Speaker 3>very nuanced take on this entire Kroyper movement, and I'm

719
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<v Speaker 3>just curious what your thoughts are After I ranted.

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<v Speaker 9>Sure, okay, well thanks for that.

721
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<v Speaker 10>I guess I would ask your viewers because I've encountered

722
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<v Speaker 10>some fans of Nick, and they come with as much

723
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 10>understanding and grace as you're giving Nick and his statements

724
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 10>over the years. Please also don't assume I'm saying something

725
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<v Speaker 10>I'm not. And so to be clear, I had no

726
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<v Speaker 10>problem with Dave or Glenn Greenwald or Tucker having Nick

727
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<v Speaker 10>on their show. And I don't even have a problem

728
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<v Speaker 10>that they didn't say, hey, you're a naughty boy, like

729
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<v Speaker 10>I sais. That would be pointless. What would be the

730
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<v Speaker 10>point of doing that. So now that again I had

731
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<v Speaker 10>a very mild I guess I put it this way.

732
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<v Speaker 10>It's not a coincidence that the New York Times picked

733
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<v Speaker 10>the most badass photo of Nick Fuente as they could find, like.

734
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<v Speaker 9>James Dean, and saying the new leader of the right, like.

735
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 10>The left, totally wants it to be a conventional wisdom.

736
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<v Speaker 10>Now that Nick went has just took over, he's the idea.

737
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<v Speaker 10>I'm saying it's worth thinking through. Now that doesn't mean

738
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<v Speaker 10>just because they say something, therefore we shouldn't say it.

739
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<v Speaker 10>But I'm saying, think through why they want to say that,

740
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<v Speaker 10>and that's in their interest in terms of the next

741
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.559
<v Speaker 10>election or to frame it. So that's why I just

742
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 10>think we should be a little bit cautious and not

743
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.039
<v Speaker 10>just give it to him on a silver platter and say, oh, yeah,

744
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<v Speaker 10>we're basically Nick fun days.

745
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<v Speaker 14>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, see, this is the other point of contention between

747
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 3>you and I is that you know, you took the

748
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<v Speaker 3>screenshot of James Lindsay posting my video that opens with

749
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<v Speaker 3>a segment from Nick Fuentes, and because it was a

750
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 3>screenshot that you showed, it shows you know I James

751
00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Lindsay says, I tried to warn you about these people,

752
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 3>and he's talking about me, and he's talking about the

753
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:18.599
<v Speaker 3>anti war right. But if you're actually on Twitter and

754
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 3>you see that post, the video is playing underneath it

755
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 3>and what's being said, as you said, there's really nothing

756
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:27.719
<v Speaker 3>to disagree with. It's like a pure America First message.

757
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.639
<v Speaker 3>So my point is this, regardless of what we do,

758
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 3>James Lindsay has been calling us the woke right and

759
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 3>basically accusing us of this for years, despite the fact

760
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<v Speaker 3>that it was never true and I was not in

761
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>any way defending Nick Fuentes years ago. So my point is, like,

762
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 3>this is what they do. Ron Paul the sweetest man

763
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 3>on the planet. He wants to grab the neck of

764
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.119
<v Speaker 3>a jew according to Ben Shapiro, and then you got

765
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:55.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, Pap Buchanan and so many others that have

766
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 3>been smeared with this when it's just obviously not true.

767
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 3>So I'll just straight with you, I'm not interested in

768
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<v Speaker 3>playing their game. I'm not interested in trying to walk

769
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<v Speaker 3>on eggshells to make sure that they don't misattribute my

770
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<v Speaker 3>beliefs to Nick fluentt Is in his audience, I'm like,

771
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to just speak my mind, say what I

772
00:40:15.400 --> 00:40:19.559
<v Speaker 3>actually believe, and kind of ride this wave and see

773
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>where it ends up. But I'm not going to change

774
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 3>my behavior to try and prevent bad actors from acting badly,

775
00:40:26.000 --> 00:40:28.800
<v Speaker 3>because they're going to do that regardless. They have already decided.

776
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Misis Caucus and myself were already written

777
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 3>up by the SPLC years ago, and it's like we're

778
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 3>just genuine libertarians, like non interventionist, anti war people, and

779
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.599
<v Speaker 3>we're always labeled as being you know, hateful bigots and races.

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<v Speaker 15>I actually give credit to the great Bob Murphy who

781
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:48.880
<v Speaker 15>talked about this on his podcast this week. What's happened

782
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<v Speaker 15>here is especially on the right, but everywhere all across

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<v Speaker 15>the political spectrum. Anyone who has the slightest problem with

784
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<v Speaker 15>Zionism or with Zionist power and influence in the United

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<v Speaker 15>States is a media condemned as a Nazi and an

786
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<v Speaker 15>anti semi. And I am saying this upfront quite honestly.

787
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 15>I have never watched Nick's show, Nick Fointest's show from

788
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 15>beginning to end. I've seen a few clips. I think

789
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 15>it's pretty clear that he's essentially the result of what

790
00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:17.719
<v Speaker 15>you could have bet on anyway, that if you keep

791
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<v Speaker 15>saying that everyone who disagrees with Zionism is a Nazi

792
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 15>who hates Jews, you're gonna have a young man say, fine,

793
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 15>that doesn't hurt me, and then go ahead and own

794
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<v Speaker 15>that and then beat it to beat that horse to death,

795
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.599
<v Speaker 15>which is what he's done, right, is stake that out.

796
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<v Speaker 15>And I saw him saying the other day a clip

797
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<v Speaker 15>of him, I think in context of him saying, you.

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<v Speaker 9>Say, hitler, hitler, hitler, hitler, hitler, every.

799
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<v Speaker 15>Time anyone says anything about any of these issues, and

800
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.119
<v Speaker 15>then he says, but that word no longer has any

801
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.480
<v Speaker 15>power here. That was a long time ago. It has

802
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 15>nothing to do with what's going on with us, and

803
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.559
<v Speaker 15>not like that. So what's happened is Zionism, which has

804
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<v Speaker 15>a total kind of stranglehold and lock on the center

805
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 15>of American politics has marginalized anti Zionism to the fringes

806
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<v Speaker 15>where now legitimate anti Semites can claim to own it.

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<v Speaker 8>I just think it's really funny. You're trying to have

808
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 8>it both ways. Like on the one hand, you're saying

809
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<v Speaker 8>anti Zionism is the most the most censored view in

810
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<v Speaker 8>America and then acknowledge that entire Democratic Party is anti Zionist.

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<v Speaker 8>You're saying that the person who criticizes Israel is labeled

812
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<v Speaker 8>an anti Zionists. And then you come out here and

813
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<v Speaker 8>defend an actual anti Semite, Nick Flints. And this is

814
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.000
<v Speaker 8>the problem, Pierce, is that this is exactly how it goes.

815
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<v Speaker 14>They want to what did you're out here saying that

816
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.679
<v Speaker 14>because you're out here saying that because you know that

817
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<v Speaker 14>every person who is.

818
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 8>Of Zionism, but you see, you're a strong man.

819
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<v Speaker 9>That's what he is.

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<v Speaker 8>He said that any person who is at all critical

821
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<v Speaker 8>of Zionism becomes labeled an anti Semite, and therefore Nick

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<v Speaker 8>Flentis has a seat at the table who is an

823
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<v Speaker 8>act I.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't say that you have to keep making things.

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<v Speaker 9>I didn't say that.

826
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<v Speaker 3>I say people, and I just it doesn't work on me. Anymore.

827
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<v Speaker 3>Does that make sense?

828
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<v Speaker 9>It does? Can I say one more thing on that?

829
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<v Speaker 3>Of course?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, So I totally get everything you're saying. I just

831
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<v Speaker 9>want to be clear.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm not saying, hey, guys, you know, I think James

833
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<v Speaker 10>Lindsay had a point there, and you try to convince

834
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<v Speaker 10>that I'm talking about like puting you this way.

835
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 9>I have people I.

836
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:36.360
<v Speaker 10>Follow and they follow me on Twitter who like James

837
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.599
<v Speaker 10>Lindsay and they get mad at Dave or whatever, and

838
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.480
<v Speaker 10>like they're cool on other stuff and they like me,

839
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:42.920
<v Speaker 10>and so I was initially surprised, like, how come everone

840
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 10>just doesn't think like me and his friends with all

841
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 10>my But I'm saying, so stuff like this, if all

842
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 10>you really know about it is wait, what's going on?

843
00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 9>And so here's the clincher.

844
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.599
<v Speaker 10>If it's it's not anything coming out of your mouth

845
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.960
<v Speaker 10>and and you know anything that Michael Heiss ever said,

846
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 10>or that I ever said, or certainly run you know

847
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 10>over the years and people calling us Holocaust and ires

848
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 10>and neo Nazi that it's ludicrous. But I'm saying now

849
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:08.079
<v Speaker 10>on this one though, if Ben Shapiro plays a bunch

850
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.400
<v Speaker 10>of clips and the response from our team is, oh,

851
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.360
<v Speaker 10>come on, give me a break, guys, he's just screwing

852
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.360
<v Speaker 10>around when those clips are way more intense than anything

853
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 10>are coming out of your or my mouth. So that's

854
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 10>my modest point is I think just we're giving that

855
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 10>to them when we don't need to.

856
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's it. Yeah. Well, you know, as I

857
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.559
<v Speaker 3>said ten minutes ago or whatever, I think it's fair

858
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 3>to describe Nick flint as as a white nationalists and

859
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm not that, so I understand there is a distinction

860
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 3>that needs to be made. But I also think it's

861
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:37.760
<v Speaker 3>unfair to call him a Nazi because I don't think

862
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 3>that that's accurate. So you know, I'm not trying to

863
00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:43.599
<v Speaker 3>make him one of us or pretend I am one

864
00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:46.360
<v Speaker 3>of him. I'm just trying to be honest about what

865
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I see. And I think that Shapiro is obvious despite

866
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.079
<v Speaker 3>the fact that those clips are him honestly talking. Nick

867
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Fuint is from seventeen or eighteen years old through twenty seven,

868
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.159
<v Speaker 3>so basically a decade now, has done three hours live

869
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:03.360
<v Speaker 3>almost every night for a decade. That's an insane amount

870
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 3>of talking and recording and like way more than I'll

871
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 3>probably ever do in my life. That's so much and

872
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.039
<v Speaker 3>he is the young man who's appealing to young men.

873
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.840
<v Speaker 3>If you take the greatest hits of my stuff, especially

874
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.960
<v Speaker 3>when I was doing the comedy show, you could paint

875
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 3>me in the worst light. Also, the reason I played

876
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:23.280
<v Speaker 3>that clip from Frontes is that I think there is

877
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Speaker 3>a concerted effort to paint him as the worst version

878
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:32.079
<v Speaker 3>of himself in his words, yeah, but not taking into

879
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 3>consideration the more nuanced, more Christian worldview that I think

880
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.320
<v Speaker 3>he actually does believe in the spouse Oftentimes when he's

881
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 3>being more serious, like in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder,

882
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 3>he has a very touching and very Christian ethos that

883
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:48.760
<v Speaker 3>he projected, and you know, myself and Dave applauded him

884
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 3>for that because I thought it was really needed at

885
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 3>that time. And then I think this is a good

886
00:45:53.119 --> 00:45:56.360
<v Speaker 3>example too, Like I don't like Dave Portnoy, but I

887
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 3>don't want people throwing coins at him and saying terrible

888
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 3>things like that, like that's not a country I want

889
00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:05.639
<v Speaker 3>to live in, either. So I just think it's oftentimes,

890
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever the worst version of him is supposed

891
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:11.360
<v Speaker 3>to be, it's not that. But he's also not this

892
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 3>like purely great leader figure that many of his audience

893
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.800
<v Speaker 3>believes him to be. He's somewhere in between.

894
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:21.639
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, and also too, I will say, I don't know

895
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 10>if you caught it, but on the most recent as

896
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 10>we're recording this episode of Provoked, you know, Scott Horton

897
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 10>and Darryl Cooper going back if we're talking about this stuff,

898
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:31.119
<v Speaker 10>and I'm largely with on Scott's team there, like he

899
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 10>was kind of saying the same things I'm saying now

900
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 10>with more vulgarity.

901
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:35.960
<v Speaker 3>But that's what he does.

902
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 10>Yes, But Daryl made a good point too that I

903
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 10>totally agree with, to say, look, Nick's out there, He's

904
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 10>got his followers, and if he says, hey, guys, you

905
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 10>got to stand down on it, like they might listen

906
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 10>to him because he's got credibility and there is whereas

907
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 10>if you know, Scott Horton or me, you know, say

908
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 10>that to like, they're not gonna you guys, you know exactly,

909
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 10>and you're just trying to, you know, remain respectable.

910
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 9>Where's Nick calls it like it is? So I totally

911
00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 9>get that.

912
00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.599
<v Speaker 10>So again it's you know, if people want to talk

913
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.679
<v Speaker 10>to him, I think that's great to have dialogue just

914
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:07.280
<v Speaker 10>in general, journalist talking to anybody.

915
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and moreover, you know, he's growing up, Like I

916
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:13.119
<v Speaker 3>can see it in him from watching the old greatest

917
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 3>hits of him saying the wildest shit and then listening

918
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:18.239
<v Speaker 3>to him over the past couple of years or seeing clips.

919
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't really watch the show in full. I don't

920
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 3>have time for that, but it's just obvious to me

921
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 3>that he's maturing and he's realizing that he has a

922
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:27.840
<v Speaker 3>real position of power that just kind of came out

923
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:30.159
<v Speaker 3>of nowhere. He went from being the most hated blacklisted

924
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:33.159
<v Speaker 3>man in the world to now having one of the

925
00:47:33.199 --> 00:47:36.719
<v Speaker 3>biggest audiences in the country, And it's like that comes

926
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:38.440
<v Speaker 3>with a lot of pressure, and I think that you

927
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 3>start to think more deeply about what you have to

928
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.440
<v Speaker 3>say and try and iron out more of your ideology.

929
00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

930
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So I think it's very healthy and very important that

931
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.960
<v Speaker 3>people like Tucker Carlson, like Dave Smith have conversations with

932
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 3>this guy. Like that's obviously a good thing, and it's

933
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 3>just so frustrating that the mentality from the actual wook,

934
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.119
<v Speaker 3>right the James Lindsay's, the Ben Shapiro's, is We're not

935
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:02.960
<v Speaker 3>just going to cancel you if you have a conversation

936
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 3>with him. We're gonna cancel people who won't condemn you

937
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.920
<v Speaker 3>for platforming Nick fuent Is. You know, it's the most

938
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 3>unhealthy way to go about this. And I know you

939
00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 3>don't agree with what they're doing. I'm not trying to

940
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 3>say that. I'm just saying it's so dangerous. It creates

941
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 3>the monster they're trying to slay. Like, I don't know

942
00:48:18.320 --> 00:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>why they can't see that, it's so obvious even with

943
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 3>all of the suppression, he's become one of the biggest figures.

944
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.199
<v Speaker 3>So what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, what

945
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 3>do you do you think? Oh, no, we just need

946
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.239
<v Speaker 3>to go harder. We just need a double down more.

947
00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 3>We just need a black list him more. We just

948
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:33.199
<v Speaker 3>need to, you know, not just steal his bank accounts,

949
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 3>but put him in prison this time, as if that

950
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 3>won't turn him into a martyr and ultimately uplift his

951
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:41.199
<v Speaker 3>entire movement into a truly radical, dangerous thing. And it's

952
00:48:41.280 --> 00:48:42.800
<v Speaker 3>just like, I feel like I'm talking to a brick

953
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:44.599
<v Speaker 3>wall that people just can't see what I'm saying.

954
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.639
<v Speaker 10>There To answer though, that, like not you know, is

955
00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 10>not make it a rhetorical question on your part. That, like,

956
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:50.960
<v Speaker 10>I think James Lindsay would love it if Nickquinte said

957
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 10>something crazy and it's not a show, so it's not that.

958
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 10>Don't you guys see your creating this and they say,

959
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.599
<v Speaker 10>I mean, if they were being honest, yes, we need

960
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.400
<v Speaker 10>him to exist to justify what we've been saying.

961
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Yep, no, I agree, But I guess I just that's

962
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of my distinction between whether or not you're a

963
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:09.760
<v Speaker 3>good actor or a bad actor is that if James

964
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:13.320
<v Speaker 3>is a genuine actor, like he's genuinely concerned about the

965
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 3>rise of the alt right right, my opinion would be, well,

966
00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.639
<v Speaker 3>then obviously you're going to want to sit down and

967
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.400
<v Speaker 3>have as many conversations with Nick fuent as you possibly can,

968
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:24.639
<v Speaker 3>because you you're a college professor type that you know

969
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Speaker 3>has studied these things, and you understand the rise of

970
00:49:27.719 --> 00:49:31.440
<v Speaker 3>authoritarian figures and the pitfalls of that, and wouldn't you

971
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 3>want to imbue that knowledge in him to try and

972
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 3>prevent him from leading his audience down that path and

973
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.119
<v Speaker 3>instead his answer to the rise of an authoritarian right

974
00:49:39.280 --> 00:49:43.840
<v Speaker 3>is to respond with the authoritarianism and like basically or

975
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 3>soft power, I guess, but to suppress this conversation with

976
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.199
<v Speaker 3>this kid as much as humanly possible, and to do

977
00:49:50.320 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 3>all of the things that you lamented when it came

978
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:54.800
<v Speaker 3>to the woke left, you're now doing to the right.

979
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 3>And it's I just think it's such a dead end.

980
00:49:57.239 --> 00:49:59.840
<v Speaker 3>And I think it's so dangerous, And it's funny because

981
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.719
<v Speaker 3>they think that Flinta is indicative or reflective of all

982
00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 3>this danger that I can't see, but they can't see

983
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:08.360
<v Speaker 3>the danger of what they're doing themselves.

984
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.639
<v Speaker 10>Yeah again, And I think you're right, Like it's you know,

985
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:13.760
<v Speaker 10>the analogy I use in my episode was with drug

986
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 10>dealing that oh, if you don't like drive by shootings

987
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 10>and overdoses and stuff, then don't make something illegal, because

988
00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 10>then that means it's only criminals and shoddy business practices

989
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.800
<v Speaker 10>that are in that space. So like we was here,

990
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:27.639
<v Speaker 10>yeah that it's respectable people don't touch this stuff. And

991
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.079
<v Speaker 10>I when he was telling that story to Tucker and

992
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 10>Flint is about how you know, back in the day

993
00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.920
<v Speaker 10>when he was talking about Jesus, seems like, you know,

994
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:36.599
<v Speaker 10>we're gonna be a my whites are going to be

995
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.239
<v Speaker 10>a minority in this because I mean I can remember

996
00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:40.719
<v Speaker 10>ten years ago, like, yeah, you could you said anything

997
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 10>like that like this, some people would have taken a

998
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:44.400
<v Speaker 10>step back away from you, like, oh, I want to

999
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:47.599
<v Speaker 10>get cooties, so I can understand. Whereas now that's the

1000
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 10>very mainstream thing to say because stuff has changed, So

1001
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 10>I understand you know what you're getting at in terms

1002
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:57.400
<v Speaker 10>of like if things had happened differently, we wouldn't know

1003
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 10>his name right now, or he would have been sort

1004
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 10>of more convention commentator, but this sort of pushed him

1005
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 10>in that direction, or he was going to go this way.

1006
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 10>The reason people flocked to him is because no one

1007
00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 10>else was talking about this stuff because everyone else is afraid.

1008
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.400
<v Speaker 3>Right well, and he's very gifted, so it's like it's

1009
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:15.000
<v Speaker 3>a dangerous combination. You took a really naturally talented orator

1010
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 3>with right wing tendencies and then you abused him very

1011
00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:21.599
<v Speaker 3>aggressively when he was very young, and it's like, well

1012
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 3>you want to just kick him out of Painter school next,

1013
00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, like what are you guys trying to do here?

1014
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:28.559
<v Speaker 3>And I just think this is the fight that we're

1015
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.840
<v Speaker 3>in though, It's like this is going to be the

1016
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:33.360
<v Speaker 3>real divide on the right is like are we an

1017
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 3>identitarian not an interventionist right wing. Are we a non

1018
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 3>identitarian more of an America constitutionalist libertarian, non an inventionist,

1019
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 3>individualist right wing more of our camp, And it's like,

1020
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 3>I still believe that both of those sides are preferable

1021
00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:55.559
<v Speaker 3>to endless empire and woke progressivism and socialism and ultimately,

1022
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, destruction of the Constitution. And it's like, so

1023
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:01.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm just going to continue to be in the fray

1024
00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 3>on that conversation and try and win that argument that

1025
00:52:06.320 --> 00:52:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I think our worldview is preferential to that that Nick

1026
00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Fuentes prescribes and let the chips fall where they may.

1027
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.840
<v Speaker 3>So I've got to run because hop on your buddy show,

1028
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:21.159
<v Speaker 3>Tom Woods. Okay, yeah, but I really appreciate your thoughtful

1029
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.880
<v Speaker 3>analysis and pushback and I will absolutely keep it in

1030
00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 3>mind and maybe we can do this again in the future.

1031
00:52:27.199 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 9>Okay, thanks so much for having Mekln.

1032
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 3>Yep, thank you, Bob talk so
