Speaker 1: Republicans have to talk about it a lot.
Speaker 2: And does that mean the H one B visa thing
Speaker 2: will not be a big priority for your administration, Because
Speaker 2: if you want to raise wages for American workers, you
Speaker 2: can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds.
Speaker 1: Of And we also do have to bring in talent when.
Speaker 2: We got your talent and fail, you don't.
Speaker 3: We don't have talent. No, you don't know, you don't.
Speaker 3: Six words that may have just ended the magatrain. Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: a guy who campaigned repeatedly on the opposite, is now
Speaker 3: saying Nope, we cannot do it without immigration. Don't take
Speaker 3: my word for it. Here's Donald Trump on the campaign
Speaker 3: trail many many moons ago, when he still actually believed
Speaker 3: in putting America first.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I think, and I know the
Speaker 4: H one be very well, and it's something that I
Speaker 4: frankly use and I shouldn't be allowed to use. We
Speaker 4: shouldn't have it. Very very bad for workers. And second
Speaker 4: of all, I think it's very important to say, well,
Speaker 4: I'm a businessman and I have to do what I
Speaker 4: have to do, and it's sitting there waiting for you.
Speaker 4: But it's very bad it's very bad for business in
Speaker 4: terms of it's very bad for our workers, and it's
Speaker 4: unfair for our workers, and we should end it.
Speaker 3: So campaign Donald Trump h one b's are a scam
Speaker 3: and they're basically being taken advantage of by corporations to
Speaker 3: try and undercut the wages of the domestic population. And
Speaker 3: then President Donald Trump in twenty twenty five saying, we
Speaker 3: don't have talented people here that can do these jobs.
Speaker 3: You cannot possibly take an American kid and train him
Speaker 3: on how to make batteries the way the South Koreans do.
Speaker 5: You know, No, you don't.
Speaker 1: We don't have talent people now you don't have you
Speaker 1: don't have certain talents, and you have to people have
Speaker 1: to learn. You can't take people off an unemployment like
Speaker 1: an unemployment line and say I'm going to put you
Speaker 1: into a factory who we're going to make missiles or
Speaker 1: I'm going.
Speaker 3: To put do we ever do it before?
Speaker 1: Well, Lemon and I I'll give you an example. In
Speaker 1: Georgia they raided because they wanted illegal immigrants. They had
Speaker 1: people from from South Korea that made batteries all their lives.
Speaker 1: You know, making batteries are very complicated It's not an
Speaker 1: easy thing and very dangerous, a lot of explosions, a
Speaker 1: lot of problems. They had like five or six hundred
Speaker 1: people early stages to make batteries and to teach people
Speaker 1: how to do it. Well, they wanted them to get
Speaker 1: out of the country. You're going to need that lure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you and I disagree on this.
Speaker 1: You can't just say, take people off an unemployment line
Speaker 1: who haven't worked in five years and they're going to
Speaker 1: start making their missiles.
Speaker 5: It doesn't work that well.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, aside from the fact that that's just
Speaker 3: patently false, and aside from the fact that like the
Speaker 3: university system in America, despite all of its flaws, actually
Speaker 3: does produce kids that are capable of doing a lot
Speaker 3: of things. Even if you just assume for a second
Speaker 3: that the university system does not do those things, it
Speaker 3: does not prepare anybody to do anything of value, which
Speaker 3: oftentimes that is true. Well, then how about you actually
Speaker 3: take a holistic approach to this. How about you actually
Speaker 3: do something to help these kids. How about you acknowledge
Speaker 3: the fact that the printing and borrowing and spending that
Speaker 3: you did in your first term ultimately destroyed the dollar
Speaker 3: and made it extraordinarily challenging for these kids to get ahead.
Speaker 3: How about you acknowledged the fact that the lockdown era
Speaker 3: and the forced social distancing and the masking for kids
Speaker 3: while they were in high school, in the most important
Speaker 3: formative years of their life or younger for that matter,
Speaker 3: they were essentially tormented by some of your policies. How
Speaker 3: about you acknowledged that. How about you acknowledge the fact
Speaker 3: that the DEI environment completely destroyed the education system and
Speaker 3: made it so that professors were ultimately just demeaning all
Speaker 3: of the men in their class or all of the boys,
Speaker 3: i should say, and just breaking their spirits. And now
Speaker 3: you expect them to just bounce back after that in
Speaker 3: the me too environment and cancel culture and then being
Speaker 3: put through lockdowns and then put through the most progressive
Speaker 3: garbage education system you can imagine, And then you go,
Speaker 3: they can't build batteries. Okay, whose fault is that? Though? Look,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that the state is required to make
Speaker 3: us capable of doing anything. Quite the contrary. I'm arguing,
Speaker 3: quite specifically the inverse of that, that the state has
Speaker 3: hindered the development of these children. And now instead of
Speaker 3: acknowledging the damage done by not just Donald Trump but
Speaker 3: every politician in our lifetimes. Instead, he goes the opposite direction,
Speaker 3: and he says, well, they're useless. They can't actually accomplish
Speaker 3: any of these things, So we're going to replace them
Speaker 3: with immigrants, vih one b's or otherwise. In what world
Speaker 3: is that America first? And what world is that making
Speaker 3: America great again? It comes across much more obviously to
Speaker 3: be an appealed to your donors, to the special interests
Speaker 3: that clearly run your White House and run you. And
Speaker 3: I think that's what your base is reflecting on and
Speaker 3: realizing and coming to terms with, is that you're a fraud,
Speaker 3: that what brought you to power is not what keeps
Speaker 3: you in power, That the people that keep you in
Speaker 3: power don't want to focus on actually remedying any of
Speaker 3: the issues that have plagued young people in this country,
Speaker 3: but instead to replace them entirely, which is in effect,
Speaker 3: very little difference from what the Joe Biden or Kamala
Speaker 3: Harris presidency would have delivered for them. So when you
Speaker 3: see your poll numbers taking, just remember it's not us
Speaker 3: that abandon you, it's you that abandon us.
Speaker 6: The Trump administration seems to have been hiding these emails.
Speaker 6: They're not good, Okay, they are completely indefensible. But I
Speaker 6: already told you I was done with MAGA at the
Speaker 6: moment he looked us in the face and he said,
Speaker 6: what files right, what are we still talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 6: Pam Bondi said it was a Democrat hoax. No, I
Speaker 6: think the entire nation has been hoaxed by Republicans and Democrats,
Speaker 6: and there are pervert elites that sit at the top.
Speaker 3: And you can point to many different dates throughout the
Speaker 3: past couple months that would probably be good indications that
Speaker 3: the Trump train was totally off the rails. For me,
Speaker 3: the most obvious date are the inflat auction. Point that
Speaker 3: really jumps to mine was July eighth, when this happened and.
Speaker 7: Released yesterday, and Jeffrey Epstein left some lingering mysteries of
Speaker 7: One of the biggest ones is whether he ever worked
Speaker 7: for an American or foreign intelligence agency. The former Leader
Speaker 7: secretary who was Miami US attorney Alex Costa, allegedly said
Speaker 7: that he did work for an intelligence agency. So could
Speaker 7: you resolve whether or not he did, and also could
Speaker 7: you see why there was a minute missing from the
Speaker 7: jailhouse team on the names.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Are you still talking about Jeffrey Epstein? This guy's been
Speaker 5: talked about for years. You're asking we have Texas, we
Speaker 5: have this, we have all of the things right, and
Speaker 5: are people still talking about this guy? This creep? That
Speaker 5: is unbelievable? Do you want to waste the time? And
Speaker 5: do you feel like answering?
Speaker 8: I don't mind answering.
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't believe you're asking a question on
Speaker 5: at Epstein at a time like this where we're having
Speaker 5: some of the greatest success.
Speaker 3: Are we still talking about Epstein still? I mean, you
Speaker 3: can answer the question if you want, but like, are
Speaker 3: we really can't? Haven't we moved on that creep? No,
Speaker 3: actually we haven't moved on. And particularly given that your
Speaker 3: entire cabinet is filled with people that they promised disclosures
Speaker 3: and justice in that arena, we're not going to move on,
Speaker 3: including yourself. So I don't even know why that's so
Speaker 3: beyond the pale.
Speaker 8: The evidence we have in our files clearly indicates that
Speaker 8: it was in fact the suicide.
Speaker 3: We released the video showing definitively the video was not
Speaker 3: conclusive at Jeffrey Epstein's story is a big deal. Please
Speaker 3: do not let that story go.
Speaker 9: Keep your eye on this.
Speaker 10: Jeffrey Epstein isn't with us anymore, and nobody seems to
Speaker 10: want to talk about it.
Speaker 3: But that was kind of the moment where I started
Speaker 3: to realize that there's something deeply, deeply wrong here. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to pretend as if I was the
Speaker 3: first person to realize that. A lot of people, including
Speaker 3: Nick flant Is, identified this before Trump was elected president
Speaker 3: for a second time, and I stand corrected. They were right.
Speaker 3: They got it right. Donald Trump was in fact compromised,
Speaker 3: and I think he was compromised by his donors. Elon
Speaker 3: Musk also got it right. It looks like to me
Speaker 3: when he started to point out that the Epstein files
Speaker 3: are being buried because of Donald Trump's relationship to him. Now,
Speaker 3: I've never claimed and I don't know for a fact
Speaker 3: as to whether or not Trump did anything illegal in
Speaker 3: the Epstein network operation thing. But what I do know
Speaker 3: is that thanks to drop site News over the past
Speaker 3: few weeks, they've been doing incredible work thanks to this
Speaker 3: email leak of I think it was a whu Barock's
Speaker 3: emails that got put online. No other corporate journalist is
Speaker 3: doing this deep diving, of course, because they are all
Speaker 3: essentially forbidden from doing so, I guess. But drop site
Speaker 3: News has been all over this, and God bless them
Speaker 3: for it. What they've proven, beyond a shadow of a
Speaker 3: doubt in my mind, is that Jeffrey Epstein was in
Speaker 3: fact an Israeli asset. And this is evidenced by the
Speaker 3: fact that he had intelligent agents that were staying at
Speaker 3: his property in Manhattan repeatedly. These are Israeli intelligence agents.
Speaker 3: I also had the former Prime Minister of Israel who
Speaker 3: was in constant communication with Jeffrey Epstein and stayed with
Speaker 3: him three dozen times over a few year period, which
Speaker 3: is more often than I see my own family. I
Speaker 3: find that utterly bizarre. So yeah, to believe that he
Speaker 3: wasn't at least an asset of israel I think is
Speaker 3: totally ridiculous. So then you have to connect some dots,
Speaker 3: and this is where it gets uncomfortable for those that
Speaker 3: are tenfoil averse. But the obvious dots to connect is
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump is funded to the tune of hundreds
Speaker 3: of millions of dollars by pro Israel donors. Also those
Speaker 3: same donors are responsible for the primary campaign against Thomas Massey.
Speaker 3: Why would they be so opposed to Thomas Massey. Well,
Speaker 3: Thomas Massey is the one who's responsible today for having
Speaker 3: passed the bill that is essentially going to force a
Speaker 3: vote as to whether or not to release the Epstein files.
Speaker 3: So why is it that these pro Israel donors are
Speaker 3: so deeply concerned about the disclosures of the Epstein files.
Speaker 3: Could it be that, in fact, Jeffrey Epstein was an
Speaker 3: Israeli asset, that he was in fact building compromont files
Speaker 3: against the rich and powerful, both in politics and corporate America.
Speaker 3: I would argue that the preponderance of evidence says yes,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what his role was. Not to say that
Speaker 3: he didn't have other roles. He was also a major
Speaker 3: financial wheeler and dealer in the gray and black market.
Speaker 3: I think he did that on behalf of multiple state
Speaker 3: intelligence agencies, including Israel as well as our own, probably
Speaker 3: the UK am I six and also arguably the French.
Speaker 3: So he's a jack of all trades. So he was
Speaker 3: serving a lot of purposes. But why is Donald Trump,
Speaker 3: who is being smeared as having participated in this underage
Speaker 3: sex trafficking operation. Why would he not want full disclosure if,
Speaker 3: particularly if he's innocent. Well, the obvious answer would be
Speaker 3: that his donors want those disclosures not to be made,
Speaker 3: and as a consequence, Donald Trump is unwilling to do
Speaker 3: what's right, to do what he promised to do, which
Speaker 3: is to be transparent. So I think that's the obvious
Speaker 3: dot connection there is that, in fact, this intelligence operation
Speaker 3: is being buried by the sitting president of the United
Speaker 3: States because of his donors. It could be argued that
Speaker 3: there's additional pressure being levied against him, be that violent,
Speaker 3: financial or otherwise. I can't say definitively why. All I
Speaker 3: know is that Donald Trump is lying. Donald Trump is
Speaker 3: covering up Cash Betel and Dan Bongino are doing the same,
Speaker 3: despite promises to the contrary when they were trying to
Speaker 3: get in positions of power. Now that they sit in
Speaker 3: those positions of power, they say, there's no there there?
Speaker 3: Why is there no there there? Dan Cash? And if
Speaker 3: there is no there there, why is it not your
Speaker 3: job to present me the there? Could you give me
Speaker 3: the there? I guess not. So my answer for all
Speaker 3: of this at this junction, because I think It's the
Speaker 3: most logical conclusion to come to is that the entire
Speaker 3: Trump administration is essentially under the thumb of a foreign
Speaker 3: government or foreign intelligence agency. And tragically that has resulted
Speaker 3: in a tremendous amount of injustice to the American people.
Speaker 3: And then you wonder why Tucker Carlson has flipped against Israel.
Speaker 11: You want people to follow you. You want to sell
Speaker 11: your ideas to them. You want to convince them of
Speaker 11: what you're saying is true. Show some love for them,
Speaker 11: demonstrate that you love that you care about them. Why
Speaker 11: are we doing this because we think it's better for you?
Speaker 11: Shapiro and all of these guys, they don't make an
Speaker 11: effort to do that because they.
Speaker 3: Don't feel that way at all. Shut up, Cattle, you're
Speaker 3: a Nazi.
Speaker 11: Give us the money for our preferred little country, or
Speaker 11: else we're going to denounce you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 11: Those attitudes are incompatible with leadership. I really care so
Speaker 11: much about this thing, and you better care about it too, Russ.
Speaker 11: I'm going to attack you in deep platform you.
Speaker 3: It doesn't work.
Speaker 11: It's illegitimate, actually, and if you keep it up, you're
Speaker 11: flirting with, you know, real backlash, like a real one,
Speaker 11: not Nick fuints like a real one, so cool it.
Speaker 11: Listen to other people, don't treat them like cattle, treat
Speaker 11: them like human beings.
Speaker 3: Or you wonder why Nick Flintes has grown in prominence, Well,
Speaker 3: it's because we have eyes and we have ears, and
Speaker 3: we pay attention, and we know that something is awry,
Speaker 3: something is wrong here.
Speaker 12: What we want is for someone to unashamedly and single
Speaker 12: mindedly advocate for Americans and Americans only. We want someone
Speaker 12: to say, you know, the only thing I care about
Speaker 12: is helping Americans. Only people I care about in the
Speaker 12: world are Americans. And we don't want to just hear that,
Speaker 12: but we want to see the action taken as well.
Speaker 12: You know, I've seen some people on social media say, hey,
Speaker 12: it's America first, but not America only.
Speaker 3: I disagree. I think it is America only. Something is
Speaker 3: totally counter to what our expectations were and to what
Speaker 3: your promises were, and you were failing egregiously. Just yesterday.
Speaker 3: He also promised that he would be bringing in Chinese
Speaker 3: students to fill our university systems on an annual basis.
Speaker 3: That is no small figure.
Speaker 2: Folks are not thrilled about this idea of hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of foreign students in the United States. We have
Speaker 2: about three hundred and fifty thousand Chinese. One point during
Speaker 2: COVID you were going to you know, we'll push to
Speaker 2: get them out, but that was pulled back. You've said
Speaker 2: as many as six hundred thousand Chinese students could come
Speaker 2: to the United States. Why, sir, is that a pro
Speaker 2: maga position when so many American kids want to go
Speaker 2: to school and there are places not for them, and
Speaker 2: these universities are getting rich off Chinese money.
Speaker 1: Sure, never said about China, but we do have a
Speaker 1: lot of people coming in from China. We always have
Speaker 1: China and other countries. We also have a massive system
Speaker 1: of colleges and universities. And if we were to cut
Speaker 1: that in half, which perhaps make some people happy, you
Speaker 1: would have half the colleges in the United States school
Speaker 1: out of business. Well, I think that's a big deal.
Speaker 3: Why would he do that, Well, because he says otherwise
Speaker 3: the collegiate system in America would collapse, to which I say, good.
Speaker 3: Since when are we in the business of defending academia.
Speaker 3: Academia which has destroyed the minds of young people across
Speaker 3: this country for decades? Now, why would we possibly be
Speaker 3: doing so, why would we possibly be doing anything to
Speaker 3: keep them afloat much less? If China is our enemy,
Speaker 3: our top enemy according to Trump and many other people
Speaker 3: that talk about China as if that's a fact, why
Speaker 3: would we be bringing in over half a million of
Speaker 3: their kids every year to study at our universities? And moreover,
Speaker 3: how is it making America great again to essentially replace
Speaker 3: the American domestic population that wants to go to those
Speaker 3: universities but no longer can because those seats are being
Speaker 3: filled by foreigners. Here's another uncomfortable dot to connect. But
Speaker 3: many people are now theorizing that perhaps the six hundred
Speaker 3: thousand Chinese students being allowed into our country, perhaps that
Speaker 3: was the carrit that was dangled or the trade that
Speaker 3: was made in order to get China to allow for
Speaker 3: the byte dance or TikTok sale to the Israeli side.
Speaker 3: But regardless, does that possibly mean that we are putting
Speaker 3: America first? I don't see how you can make that argument.
Speaker 3: Certainly not. You're not putting American students first, that's for sure. Okay, Well,
Speaker 3: then how about the J six justice, seeing as you
Speaker 3: had a couple hundred plain closed police officers that were
Speaker 3: in the crowd on J six. How about the fact
Speaker 3: that we now have pretty damn good evidence through that
Speaker 3: data analysis from the Blaze that it looks as if
Speaker 3: the FBI pulled Kyle Saraffin and his surveillance team off
Speaker 3: of the J five pipe bomber the guy who or
Speaker 3: gal actually who was what it appears to be framing
Speaker 3: the Jay sixers as terrorists, assuming that they did not
Speaker 3: get catalyzed into rioting and storming the capitol, which they did,
Speaker 3: so I guess you didn't have to blow up that bomb.
Speaker 3: So aside from the pardons for the Jay sixers, we're
Speaker 3: not really getting justice when it comes to the entrapment
Speaker 3: scheme that they fell victim to. Shouldn't people be put
Speaker 3: in prison for doing that? I would say definitely. How
Speaker 3: about there being peace in Ukraine? Nope, not that either.
Speaker 3: Another campaign promised that has fallen flat got no obscene disclosures.
Speaker 3: You got six one hundred thousand Chinese students maximum h
Speaker 3: one b's And I guess we can now take out
Speaker 3: a fifty year mortgage to buy a starter home for
Speaker 3: three quarters of a million dollars, assuming I don't get
Speaker 3: deported for anti Semitism. So yeah, if you rattle off
Speaker 3: this entire list and then you come to the conclusion
Speaker 3: that we're abandoning Donald Trump, I don't think you remember
Speaker 3: at all what he campaigned on. He campaigned in opposition
Speaker 3: to everything I just detailed. So when I say that
Speaker 3: MAGA is not divided, MAGA is dead, I don't think
Speaker 3: I'm overstating it. In fact, one might argue I'm late
Speaker 3: to the game, that it fell apart many months ago.
Speaker 3: And that's sad, because I thought that the coalition that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump put together was one of the most remarkable
Speaker 3: things I have ever seen in my life of covering politics.
Speaker 3: To have the entire MAGA alliance, which was obviously the
Speaker 3: America First camp, the non interventionist but also more nativistic
Speaker 3: nationalistic side of the conservative wing. You get the make
Speaker 3: America Healthy Again, the RFK juniors, the people that realize
Speaker 3: that our food supply is largely toxic and our diets
Speaker 3: are atrocious, and pharma is a huge problem and in
Speaker 3: fact not a solution in many regards. That was an
Speaker 3: incredible part of the alliance. Then you bring in the
Speaker 3: Libertarians and a non inventionist and the actual truly America first,
Speaker 3: people like myself, and we're like, Okay, this is an
Speaker 3: interesting alliance. This is actually building to something. You got
Speaker 3: Vivik Ramaswami, who's a young upstart who's got some impressive
Speaker 3: rhetoric and seems that he may be on our side
Speaker 3: of the fence too, and then you bring in a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of other people, Elon Musk and Tulci Gabbard,
Speaker 3: and it starts to look like, Wow, this is a
Speaker 3: dream team. This is Brett weinst the world were actually
Speaker 3: putting together avengers of sorts to try and save the country.
Speaker 3: And it felt good and there was hope for a time. Genuinely,
Speaker 3: I felt like there was a chance. I wasn't overly optimistic,
Speaker 3: but it did seem given the atrocious political establishment that
Speaker 3: existed prior, this seemed like a huge improvement and an
Speaker 3: opportunity worth taking. Essentially, Donald Trump gets inaugurated and suddenly
Speaker 3: the bait and switch becomes more and more obvious. And
Speaker 3: it's been ten months now and essentially he's delivered on
Speaker 3: nothing aside from securing the border. So I'll give him
Speaker 3: credit for that. I was expecting a bit more, just
Speaker 3: a tad bit more. And apparently that makes me a
Speaker 3: pannikin and that makes me a hater and whatever. I'm
Speaker 3: not really interested in the smears. I don't really care.
Speaker 3: We don't have time. We don't have time to allow
Speaker 3: for our political establishment, the political elites, to lie to
Speaker 3: us any longer. We cannot be bait and switched any more.
Speaker 3: We cannot allow for the domestic population to continue to
Speaker 3: be replaced, which is clearly the plan underneath the Trump administration,
Speaker 3: just as it was under former administrations. It's egregious, it's deceptive,
Speaker 3: it's disgusting, and if you want to try and take
Speaker 3: the wind out of the sales of one Nick Fuentes,
Speaker 3: you're going to have to stop. You're going to have
Speaker 3: to stop doing these things. And you're not. You're going
Speaker 3: full speed ahead. In fact, you're saying repeatedly that you
Speaker 3: do not need the support of anybody who wants justice
Speaker 3: when it comes to the Epstein files. Well, then when
Speaker 3: I don't offer you my support anymore, don't get mad.
Speaker 3: You told me not to, I said, Okay. Simultaneously, we
Speaker 3: have the FBI lying repeatedly when it comes to the
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk case and getting tons of things wrong, including
Speaker 3: in the very first day or two where they said
Speaker 3: that they had the guy under in custody and then
Speaker 3: immediately backpedaled and said, no, we don't. And now they
Speaker 3: say that they do, and they also say that he
Speaker 3: worked alone, and they say that if you're digging at all,
Speaker 3: that you're ultimately an anarchist in a danger to the country.
Speaker 3: While simultaneously, Cash Ptel, the head of the FBI's girlfriend,
Speaker 3: is suing my buddy Elijah Shaeffer and others for apparently
Speaker 3: claiming that she's some sort of honeypot, which I have
Speaker 3: never made that claim and I have no reason to
Speaker 3: believe it. I have no idea. I hope that you
Speaker 3: and Cash have a great life together. I just really
Speaker 3: wish that Cash Bettel would do his fucking job. That
Speaker 3: would be great. So under the Biden administration you got
Speaker 3: Alex Jones being hit with billion dollar fines, and then
Speaker 3: under the Trump administration you got Elijah Shaeffer and Sam
Speaker 3: Parker getting hit with five million dollar lawsuits. All right,
Speaker 3: I guess things are kind of not changing very much.
Speaker 3: But it's not all negative news. There's some really good things.
Speaker 3: For instance, Donald Trump sent a letter yesterday to the
Speaker 3: President of Israel, mister Herzog to ask or implore him
Speaker 3: to pardon bb Net and Yahoo. So at least we
Speaker 3: got that on our side. That was a bucket list item,
Speaker 3: that was a box to be checked. When Donald Trump
Speaker 3: was campaigning, right that he would try and get baby
Speaker 3: that now who pardoned? Because that makes America great again.
Speaker 3: But probably more than anything, the reason that Donald Trump
Speaker 3: was so beloved is that it became more and more
Speaker 3: apparent to all of us that the political elite literally
Speaker 3: hated us. They thought that we were just garbage. From
Speaker 3: Hillary Clinton calling us a basket of deplorables and just
Speaker 3: the description of us being flyover country and whatever. It
Speaker 3: was just obvious that the liberal elites in particular really
Speaker 3: had a deep hatred for the American people. So you
Speaker 3: got Donald Trump, now, who's obviously the remedy to that.
Speaker 3: And then when asked, don't we have plenty of talented
Speaker 3: people to get these jobs done, and Donald Trump responds
Speaker 3: very bluntly, no, you don't, No, you don't. Add to
Speaker 3: this the fact that the unemployment rate for recent college
Speaker 3: graduates is now higher today than it was in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight and nine, at the height of the
Speaker 3: great recession. These kids are being replaced not just by immigrants,
Speaker 3: which obviously the immigrant flood has declined this year, thank goodness,
Speaker 3: but also by artificial intelligence. This is a tsunami headed
Speaker 3: our way. This is going to be a catastrophe of
Speaker 3: the highest order, and nobody is preparing for it. Nobody
Speaker 3: is being honest about it. Nobody is giving these kids
Speaker 3: guidance on how they might ride the wave of the tsunami,
Speaker 3: if anything, so that they don't drown underneath it. It's
Speaker 3: a huge, huge problem, and the only people speaking to
Speaker 3: their concerns are Thomas Massey, MTG. Tucker Carlson. These are
Speaker 3: the people that actually seem to understand the problems that
Speaker 3: the young people are facing, and as long as you
Speaker 3: ignore them, you're going to radicalize them further. We do
Speaker 3: have plenty of talented people in this country. All of
Speaker 3: the damage done to these kids can and must be undone.
Speaker 3: We must remedy what ails them. These are our countrymen,
Speaker 3: these are our children. These are the people that we
Speaker 3: should put as a priority. If America first means anything,
Speaker 3: it must mean that, and if you cannot deliver on that,
Speaker 3: then you should resign or you should be impeached, and
Speaker 3: I might add that in the mid terms coming up
Speaker 3: just a year from now, you're going to get shll Act.
Speaker 3: You're going to lose the House, and as soon as
Speaker 3: that next Congress is admitted, you're going to be impeached
Speaker 3: most likely. And when you are, I want to be
Speaker 3: very clear, I and millions of other Americans who defended
Speaker 3: you during the nonsensical Russian collusion hoax and that entire
Speaker 3: impeachment charade will not be coming to your defense. You
Speaker 3: have opted to go with your donors over your voters,
Speaker 3: and we're going to find out if the donors can
Speaker 3: keep you safe when the establishment comes for you once again,
Speaker 3: which they inevitably will. The American people that are paying
Speaker 3: attention at least are not going to have your back
Speaker 3: because you didn't have hours. And that's really as simple
Speaker 3: as it gets. So seeing as you've decided to bait
Speaker 3: and switch us and condescend to us and ultimately try
Speaker 3: and replace us, don't be surprised when you get replaced yourself.
Speaker 3: It's going to happen. Your presidential term will come to
Speaker 3: an end inevitably, and you're not going to be able
Speaker 3: to get anything accomplished because the Democrats are going to
Speaker 3: control the House, probably the Senate, and your legacy will
Speaker 3: have gone up in smoke. And it's all your fault
Speaker 3: because all you had to do was deliver on what
Speaker 3: you promised. You didn't have to pull off miracles. You
Speaker 3: just had to be courageous. You didn't have to really
Speaker 3: do anything hyper dangerous other than do what you said,
Speaker 3: and you would have had the American people backing you
Speaker 3: to the end of the earth. You already have such
Speaker 3: a tremendous fan base, some truly right or die beautiful
Speaker 3: people that want nothing more than this country to be
Speaker 3: made great again, and that is why they got behind you,
Speaker 3: and then you decided to step on them. And that's
Speaker 3: sad and more than that, it's infuriating, and it just
Speaker 3: demonstrates that you don't have the courage. And I don't
Speaker 3: know that it's necessarily your honest feelings. It's a distinct
Speaker 3: possibility that you have been compromised, that you're being threatened
Speaker 3: financially or physically, I don't know which, or maybe there's
Speaker 3: other avenues of attack that I'm not considering. Maybe there's
Speaker 3: threats against your family. There's lots of angles that could
Speaker 3: justify why you're being such an unbelievable bitch and liar
Speaker 3: right now. But it doesn't change the fact that you're
Speaker 3: being a bitch and a liar right now, and therefore,
Speaker 3: as a truth teller, I have no choice but to
Speaker 3: call you out for it. Donald Trump, you are failing.
Speaker 3: You are failing as a president in your second term.
Speaker 3: I had such high hopes because you were impeached over garbage,
Speaker 3: because the media tried to destroy you, because the FBI
Speaker 3: tried to destroy you, because the entire political establishment tried
Speaker 3: to destroy you. I had to believe that there was
Speaker 3: a chance, just a small fraction of a chance, that
Speaker 3: you were the real deal, that you were actually interested
Speaker 3: in putting Americans first and essentially ending the empire. You're
Speaker 3: not that guy. You don't have the courage to do so.
Speaker 3: And JD. Vance, your vice president, doesn't have the courage
Speaker 3: to say that you're failing, so he's also not the solution.
Speaker 3: We're going to have to find somebody else to me.
Speaker 3: The obvious options are Thomas Massey and MTG. And I
Speaker 3: know that sounds crazy, but that's the presidential ticket that
Speaker 3: I'll be pushing for, and I hope that you'll support
Speaker 3: me in that, because I think that's our only hope
Speaker 3: at this junction, aside from looking after our families trying
Speaker 3: to remedy what the state can't, and really looking out
Speaker 3: for our communities, our kids, trying to get them in
Speaker 3: front of this AI wave. Believe me when I tell
Speaker 3: you it's already upon us, and it's going to grow exponentially.
Speaker 3: So this is urgent times, and political solutions are looking
Speaker 3: increasingly fleeting, unfortunately. So it's up to us now, It's
Speaker 3: up to this rag tag group of misfits on the
Speaker 3: internet that are simultaneously trying to save the country as
Speaker 3: well as solve the Charlie Kirk murder. We got a
Speaker 3: lot on our plate, but we also have no choice
Speaker 3: but to prevail. So prevail we shall. You cannot break
Speaker 3: our spirits. Even when you aly to us, Donnie, We're
Speaker 3: still gonna keep forging ahead. We have no other choice.
Speaker 3: All right, Let's get into this brief debate I had
Speaker 3: with my good friend, the economist Bob Murphy. He was
Speaker 3: being very polite and chastising me slightly for aligning my
Speaker 3: messaging with one Nick Fuentes. I stand by how I
Speaker 3: have been messaging that and making the distinctions between the
Speaker 3: two of us known while also echoing the sentiments that
Speaker 3: I think he has completely one hundred percent correct, and
Speaker 3: I will continue to do so. But because Bob put
Speaker 3: together an our compilation essentially explaining his hypothesis as to
Speaker 3: why I should not be doing so essentially that it
Speaker 3: makes it very hard for people to distinguish between the
Speaker 3: identitarian in America First movement versus the non interventionist, libertarian
Speaker 3: individualist America First Movement. I am not so much interested in,
Speaker 3: you know, making that the focus of how I talk
Speaker 3: about these things. I think that we don't have the
Speaker 3: numbers for purity spiraling games. We have very little time,
Speaker 3: and we need people to actually come together to work
Speaker 3: on these things. So I will continue to do so
Speaker 3: even when we have areas of disagreement. I'm going if
Speaker 3: you if you want to put America first, you're an ally.
Speaker 3: That's how I view it. It's very simple. You might
Speaker 3: want to push for socialism, we'll debate that after we
Speaker 3: end the empire and focus on Americans. Okay, how about that?
Speaker 3: So enjoy this very friendly debate that I had with
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Speaker 3: will catch you soon the next one. I am joined
Speaker 3: today by the only libertarian with more hair than me.
Speaker 3: Just kidding. You took a dig at my baldness, so
Speaker 3: I got a fire back at your illustrious locks. We
Speaker 3: got Bob Murphy on today. He put out a very
Speaker 3: thoughtful video last night that I took the time to watch,
Speaker 3: and I thought it was a fair criticism. I obviously
Speaker 3: have some disagreements, given that I am the one that's
Speaker 3: basically the messaging subject of the topic at hand, but
Speaker 3: I wanted to give you a couple of minutes just
Speaker 3: to explain your position, and I'll give you my two cents.
Speaker 9: Okay, sure, and I appreciate you having me on here.
Speaker 10: And to clarify folks, I said that Clint is a
Speaker 10: tough guy because he has you know, he went completely
Speaker 10: bald so that was the point that I wasn't taking
Speaker 10: a dig. He can handle this criticism for sure. And also,
Speaker 10: I should say is a disclaimer. I only picked your tweets, Clint,
Speaker 10: or your messaging just so people would have something specific
Speaker 10: in mine, right, So I wasn't just speaking in.
Speaker 9: Generalizing, Bob, what are you talking about? Give us something.
Speaker 10: So so my concern with our sides, and I say
Speaker 10: that without irony, like I really do consider like you
Speaker 10: and Dave Smith and you know, Glenn Greenwell on this issue,
Speaker 10: we're all, you know, on the same side of this stuff.
Speaker 10: My concern is the way that we respond to Ben
Speaker 10: Shapiro and like Mark Levin, like they're smear tactics that
Speaker 10: I'm concerned that we're giving them almost too much credit
Speaker 10: or we're giving them an unnecessary way that they can
Speaker 10: appeal to the people they're trying to reach. And so specifically,
Speaker 10: I think that I was trying to think of the
Speaker 10: best way I can get this across to your audience
Speaker 10: very succinctly. So think back to when like Darryl Cooper
Speaker 10: was on Tucker's show, right, and he had that now
Speaker 10: infamous thing where he said, gee, I think the case
Speaker 10: that yeah, that Winsters with the Chief Villion and so
Speaker 10: of course everyone's running around, oh my gosh, he's a
Speaker 10: Holocaust and Iron he loves Hitler and Da da da
Speaker 10: and so, and I went out, I did an entire
Speaker 10: episode of my show going through and showing no, you're
Speaker 10: misunderstand that's not what he was saying. And then back,
Speaker 10: you know, before my time. But when Pat you can
Speaker 10: and came out with his book on the Unnecessary War
Speaker 10: again anti semi you love nazis da da da in
Speaker 10: the anti war crowd, No, that's.
Speaker 9: Not what he was saying that.
Speaker 10: So my concern is when Tucker has you know, Nick
Speaker 10: Fuentes on and then Ben Shapiro and those guys run
Speaker 10: around and.
Speaker 9: Say, oh, he's talking to an anti Semi.
Speaker 10: That kid's a neo Nazi, he's a fascist, but he
Speaker 10: doesn't believe in the Holocaust. That if we say the
Speaker 10: exact same thing for him and said, what are you
Speaker 10: talking about? Come on, guys, the real issue is our
Speaker 10: support for Israel.
Speaker 9: That might you know, normal.
Speaker 10: People who look at those clips might say, no, that
Speaker 10: sounds like he really is.
Speaker 9: Okay, again, he could be putting on an act. It's trolling.
Speaker 9: I get it.
Speaker 10: But I'm just saying tactically, I think it would be
Speaker 10: better if instead just so people say okay, we'll Bob
Speaker 10: give us something better, instead of saying it that way,
Speaker 10: to just say, look, there are lots of people who
Speaker 10: clearly were not anti Semitic and not even saying anything
Speaker 10: in the same zip code as that, and you guys
Speaker 10: use the same smear tactics, and so this is your
Speaker 10: go to card. And you know what, if you don't
Speaker 10: want you know, anti semi in this space, then maybe
Speaker 10: you should stop scaring way respectable people. So it's your
Speaker 10: own behavior that causes this vacuum. So only someone like
Speaker 10: a Nick fuent Is who has nothing to lose can
Speaker 10: come in and talk about these issues. So don't be
Speaker 10: surprised you kind of created this. Yeah, so it's sort
Speaker 10: of a subtle difference, but I think, you know, an
Speaker 10: important one.
Speaker 3: And moreover, if it wasn't for their bad behavior and
Speaker 3: smearing and labeling a bunch of non anti Semites anti Semites,
Speaker 3: Nick Fuintes probably doesn't exist, you know, like that's his
Speaker 3: origin stories. That's what Ben Shapiro did because he was questioning,
Speaker 3: you know, our relationship with Israel andies like anybody that
Speaker 3: questions the Jewish person as to having dual loyalty as
Speaker 3: a you know, classic anti Semite, and Nick Fuentt is
Speaker 3: is like what you know, and he's seventeen years old
Speaker 3: at the time. You know, I, as I said, I
Speaker 3: watched your entire breakdown, and I am sincere when I
Speaker 3: say I thought it was very thoughtful. I actually have
Speaker 3: a clip that I want to play for you, because
Speaker 3: this gives kind of the counter argument to the ideas.
Speaker 9: Not me denying the Holocaust, is it.
Speaker 3: No, that would be hilarious, but no, it's not that. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So a couple days ago, or maybe it was a
Speaker 3: week ago, I don't know how long, there was this
Speaker 3: moment with Dave Portnoy, who is Barstool Sports guy, and
Speaker 3: this is what happened. Hey, everybody, all right, So there's
Speaker 3: this kid who says f the j's and throws coins
Speaker 3: at Dave Portnoy. Obviously an egregious thing to do, not
Speaker 3: particularly violent, but still, you know, very very shitty and
Speaker 3: not a good sign for our culture. I will agree
Speaker 3: with that, But I want you to hear what Nick
Speaker 3: Flint has had to say about this.
Speaker 13: Okay, this kind of thing is really a problem. And
Speaker 13: before anybody says I got the call or you know,
Speaker 13: somebody put me up to this, we do have to
Speaker 13: be very careful here, because this is nothing other than
Speaker 13: what you could accurately describe as j verbal abuse. Going
Speaker 13: up to somebody and saying fuck that person in public
Speaker 13: and saying fuck you, That actually doesn't change anything. It's rude,
Speaker 13: it is disorderly. This is not how we're supposed to behave.
Speaker 13: I don't think that we can hold a society together
Speaker 13: if this is what it's going to turn into. And
Speaker 13: I don't think that's any type of civilized way to
Speaker 13: live that people should be getting a screened at or
Speaker 13: heckled or punched or beat up. I do actually believe
Speaker 13: in civility, and I think that's what America is about.
Speaker 13: I think that's Christian and so I would caution everybody because,
Speaker 13: don't get me wrong, I don't like Dave Portnoy. I
Speaker 13: think he's a poser. I think he's an asshole. I
Speaker 13: think he's a trader. But if I saw him in
Speaker 13: the street, I wouldn't run up on him and yell
Speaker 13: fuck you. Honestly, I wouldn't confront him at all. And
Speaker 13: if I did I would be polite. I don't think
Speaker 13: that's the right thing to do. I don't think that's
Speaker 13: the right way to conduct ourselves, and I can't approve
Speaker 13: of it.
Speaker 3: I know you're big into non violence, as am I,
Speaker 3: and I think that the obvious claim that he's making
Speaker 3: there is one that is relatively Christian ethos, that you
Speaker 3: don't want to be aggressing on your fellow man, and
Speaker 3: you don't want to be verbally assaulting or physically assaulting them.
Speaker 3: And I just wanted to contend with the argument that
Speaker 3: many people have made because of the clip that you
Speaker 3: did play on your show, which is when he was
Speaker 3: I think he was eighteen years old at the time
Speaker 3: where he's doing the whole oven cookie thing. He's just
Speaker 3: not that guy, you know, Like there is additional nuance
Speaker 3: to him. That doesn't mean that he's not a white nationalist.
Speaker 3: I think it's fair to describe him that way, but
Speaker 3: I do think that in terms of calling him a
Speaker 3: Nazi someone who's actually interested in vicious political violence and
Speaker 3: Paul Groms or whatever, I just don't think that's accurate.
Speaker 3: And I think that the nuance on this actually does
Speaker 3: matter because he not Because I'm trying to get people
Speaker 3: to support him, but because he has a tremendous amount
Speaker 3: of support, like that's just the truth. He's got millions
Speaker 3: of people, young men in particular, that really you know,
Speaker 3: look up to him at this point, and that ideology
Speaker 3: is not going away. So my contention is that having
Speaker 3: discussions with those same audience members or with Nick himself
Speaker 3: is to our benefit. And I think that the energy
Speaker 3: that his movement brings, you know, this kind of infusing
Speaker 3: a fight back into young men in this country is
Speaker 3: a good thing. It's a healthy thing, and it's something
Speaker 3: that we need, and it's something that libertarians actually lack
Speaker 3: to a large extent. So I see it as in
Speaker 3: many ways a positive sign, and I know a lot
Speaker 3: of libertarians, you know, view it as purely a negative.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. I guess I just have a
Speaker 3: very nuanced take on this entire Kroyper movement, and I'm
Speaker 3: just curious what your thoughts are After I ranted.
Speaker 9: Sure, okay, well thanks for that.
Speaker 10: I guess I would ask your viewers because I've encountered
Speaker 10: some fans of Nick, and they come with as much
Speaker 10: understanding and grace as you're giving Nick and his statements
Speaker 10: over the years. Please also don't assume I'm saying something
Speaker 10: I'm not. And so to be clear, I had no
Speaker 10: problem with Dave or Glenn Greenwald or Tucker having Nick
Speaker 10: on their show. And I don't even have a problem
Speaker 10: that they didn't say, hey, you're a naughty boy, like
Speaker 10: I sais. That would be pointless. What would be the
Speaker 10: point of doing that. So now that again I had
Speaker 10: a very mild I guess I put it this way.
Speaker 10: It's not a coincidence that the New York Times picked
Speaker 10: the most badass photo of Nick Fuente as they could find, like.
Speaker 9: James Dean, and saying the new leader of the right, like.
Speaker 10: The left, totally wants it to be a conventional wisdom.
Speaker 10: Now that Nick went has just took over, he's the idea.
Speaker 10: I'm saying it's worth thinking through. Now that doesn't mean
Speaker 10: just because they say something, therefore we shouldn't say it.
Speaker 10: But I'm saying, think through why they want to say that,
Speaker 10: and that's in their interest in terms of the next
Speaker 10: election or to frame it. So that's why I just
Speaker 10: think we should be a little bit cautious and not
Speaker 10: just give it to him on a silver platter and say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 10: we're basically Nick fun days.
Speaker 14: Now.
Speaker 3: Well, see, this is the other point of contention between
Speaker 3: you and I is that you know, you took the
Speaker 3: screenshot of James Lindsay posting my video that opens with
Speaker 3: a segment from Nick Fuentes, and because it was a
Speaker 3: screenshot that you showed, it shows you know I James
Speaker 3: Lindsay says, I tried to warn you about these people,
Speaker 3: and he's talking about me, and he's talking about the
Speaker 3: anti war right. But if you're actually on Twitter and
Speaker 3: you see that post, the video is playing underneath it
Speaker 3: and what's being said, as you said, there's really nothing
Speaker 3: to disagree with. It's like a pure America First message.
Speaker 3: So my point is this, regardless of what we do,
Speaker 3: James Lindsay has been calling us the woke right and
Speaker 3: basically accusing us of this for years, despite the fact
Speaker 3: that it was never true and I was not in
Speaker 3: any way defending Nick Fuentes years ago. So my point is, like,
Speaker 3: this is what they do. Ron Paul the sweetest man
Speaker 3: on the planet. He wants to grab the neck of
Speaker 3: a jew according to Ben Shapiro, and then you got
Speaker 3: you know, Pap Buchanan and so many others that have
Speaker 3: been smeared with this when it's just obviously not true.
Speaker 3: So I'll just straight with you, I'm not interested in
Speaker 3: playing their game. I'm not interested in trying to walk
Speaker 3: on eggshells to make sure that they don't misattribute my
Speaker 3: beliefs to Nick fluentt Is in his audience, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to just speak my mind, say what I
Speaker 3: actually believe, and kind of ride this wave and see
Speaker 3: where it ends up. But I'm not going to change
Speaker 3: my behavior to try and prevent bad actors from acting badly,
Speaker 3: because they're going to do that regardless. They have already decided.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Misis Caucus and myself were already written
Speaker 3: up by the SPLC years ago, and it's like we're
Speaker 3: just genuine libertarians, like non interventionist, anti war people, and
Speaker 3: we're always labeled as being you know, hateful bigots and races.
Speaker 15: I actually give credit to the great Bob Murphy who
Speaker 15: talked about this on his podcast this week. What's happened
Speaker 15: here is especially on the right, but everywhere all across
Speaker 15: the political spectrum. Anyone who has the slightest problem with
Speaker 15: Zionism or with Zionist power and influence in the United
Speaker 15: States is a media condemned as a Nazi and an
Speaker 15: anti semi. And I am saying this upfront quite honestly.
Speaker 15: I have never watched Nick's show, Nick Fointest's show from
Speaker 15: beginning to end. I've seen a few clips. I think
Speaker 15: it's pretty clear that he's essentially the result of what
Speaker 15: you could have bet on anyway, that if you keep
Speaker 15: saying that everyone who disagrees with Zionism is a Nazi
Speaker 15: who hates Jews, you're gonna have a young man say, fine,
Speaker 15: that doesn't hurt me, and then go ahead and own
Speaker 15: that and then beat it to beat that horse to death,
Speaker 15: which is what he's done, right, is stake that out.
Speaker 15: And I saw him saying the other day a clip
Speaker 15: of him, I think in context of him saying, you.
Speaker 9: Say, hitler, hitler, hitler, hitler, hitler, every.
Speaker 15: Time anyone says anything about any of these issues, and
Speaker 15: then he says, but that word no longer has any
Speaker 15: power here. That was a long time ago. It has
Speaker 15: nothing to do with what's going on with us, and
Speaker 15: not like that. So what's happened is Zionism, which has
Speaker 15: a total kind of stranglehold and lock on the center
Speaker 15: of American politics has marginalized anti Zionism to the fringes
Speaker 15: where now legitimate anti Semites can claim to own it.
Speaker 8: I just think it's really funny. You're trying to have
Speaker 8: it both ways. Like on the one hand, you're saying
Speaker 8: anti Zionism is the most the most censored view in
Speaker 8: America and then acknowledge that entire Democratic Party is anti Zionist.
Speaker 8: You're saying that the person who criticizes Israel is labeled
Speaker 8: an anti Zionists. And then you come out here and
Speaker 8: defend an actual anti Semite, Nick Flints. And this is
Speaker 8: the problem, Pierce, is that this is exactly how it goes.
Speaker 14: They want to what did you're out here saying that
Speaker 14: because you're out here saying that because you know that
Speaker 14: every person who is.
Speaker 8: Of Zionism, but you see, you're a strong man.
Speaker 9: That's what he is.
Speaker 8: He said that any person who is at all critical
Speaker 8: of Zionism becomes labeled an anti Semite, and therefore Nick
Speaker 8: Flentis has a seat at the table who is an
Speaker 8: act I.
Speaker 1: Didn't say that you have to keep making things.
Speaker 9: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: I say people, and I just it doesn't work on me. Anymore.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
Speaker 9: It does? Can I say one more thing on that?
Speaker 3: Of course?
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I totally get everything you're saying. I just
Speaker 9: want to be clear.
Speaker 10: I'm not saying, hey, guys, you know, I think James
Speaker 10: Lindsay had a point there, and you try to convince
Speaker 10: that I'm talking about like puting you this way.
Speaker 9: I have people I.
Speaker 10: Follow and they follow me on Twitter who like James
Speaker 10: Lindsay and they get mad at Dave or whatever, and
Speaker 10: like they're cool on other stuff and they like me,
Speaker 10: and so I was initially surprised, like, how come everone
Speaker 10: just doesn't think like me and his friends with all
Speaker 10: my But I'm saying, so stuff like this, if all
Speaker 10: you really know about it is wait, what's going on?
Speaker 9: And so here's the clincher.
Speaker 10: If it's it's not anything coming out of your mouth
Speaker 10: and and you know anything that Michael Heiss ever said,
Speaker 10: or that I ever said, or certainly run you know
Speaker 10: over the years and people calling us Holocaust and ires
Speaker 10: and neo Nazi that it's ludicrous. But I'm saying now
Speaker 10: on this one though, if Ben Shapiro plays a bunch
Speaker 10: of clips and the response from our team is, oh,
Speaker 10: come on, give me a break, guys, he's just screwing
Speaker 10: around when those clips are way more intense than anything
Speaker 10: are coming out of your or my mouth. So that's
Speaker 10: my modest point is I think just we're giving that
Speaker 10: to them when we don't need to.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's it. Yeah. Well, you know, as I
Speaker 3: said ten minutes ago or whatever, I think it's fair
Speaker 3: to describe Nick flint as as a white nationalists and
Speaker 3: I'm not that, so I understand there is a distinction
Speaker 3: that needs to be made. But I also think it's
Speaker 3: unfair to call him a Nazi because I don't think
Speaker 3: that that's accurate. So you know, I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: make him one of us or pretend I am one
Speaker 3: of him. I'm just trying to be honest about what
Speaker 3: I see. And I think that Shapiro is obvious despite
Speaker 3: the fact that those clips are him honestly talking. Nick
Speaker 3: Fuint is from seventeen or eighteen years old through twenty seven,
Speaker 3: so basically a decade now, has done three hours live
Speaker 3: almost every night for a decade. That's an insane amount
Speaker 3: of talking and recording and like way more than I'll
Speaker 3: probably ever do in my life. That's so much and
Speaker 3: he is the young man who's appealing to young men.
Speaker 3: If you take the greatest hits of my stuff, especially
Speaker 3: when I was doing the comedy show, you could paint
Speaker 3: me in the worst light. Also, the reason I played
Speaker 3: that clip from Frontes is that I think there is
Speaker 3: a concerted effort to paint him as the worst version
Speaker 3: of himself in his words, yeah, but not taking into
Speaker 3: consideration the more nuanced, more Christian worldview that I think
Speaker 3: he actually does believe in the spouse Oftentimes when he's
Speaker 3: being more serious, like in the aftermath of Charlie Kirk's murder,
Speaker 3: he has a very touching and very Christian ethos that
Speaker 3: he projected, and you know, myself and Dave applauded him
Speaker 3: for that because I thought it was really needed at
Speaker 3: that time. And then I think this is a good
Speaker 3: example too, Like I don't like Dave Portnoy, but I
Speaker 3: don't want people throwing coins at him and saying terrible
Speaker 3: things like that, like that's not a country I want
Speaker 3: to live in, either. So I just think it's oftentimes,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever the worst version of him is supposed
Speaker 3: to be, it's not that. But he's also not this
Speaker 3: like purely great leader figure that many of his audience
Speaker 3: believes him to be. He's somewhere in between.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and also too, I will say, I don't know
Speaker 10: if you caught it, but on the most recent as
Speaker 10: we're recording this episode of Provoked, you know, Scott Horton
Speaker 10: and Darryl Cooper going back if we're talking about this stuff,
Speaker 10: and I'm largely with on Scott's team there, like he
Speaker 10: was kind of saying the same things I'm saying now
Speaker 10: with more vulgarity.
Speaker 3: But that's what he does.
Speaker 10: Yes, But Daryl made a good point too that I
Speaker 10: totally agree with, to say, look, Nick's out there, He's
Speaker 10: got his followers, and if he says, hey, guys, you
Speaker 10: got to stand down on it, like they might listen
Speaker 10: to him because he's got credibility and there is whereas
Speaker 10: if you know, Scott Horton or me, you know, say
Speaker 10: that to like, they're not gonna you guys, you know exactly,
Speaker 10: and you're just trying to, you know, remain respectable.
Speaker 9: Where's Nick calls it like it is? So I totally
Speaker 9: get that.
Speaker 10: So again it's you know, if people want to talk
Speaker 10: to him, I think that's great to have dialogue just
Speaker 10: in general, journalist talking to anybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and moreover, you know, he's growing up, Like I
Speaker 3: can see it in him from watching the old greatest
Speaker 3: hits of him saying the wildest shit and then listening
Speaker 3: to him over the past couple of years or seeing clips.
Speaker 3: I don't really watch the show in full. I don't
Speaker 3: have time for that, but it's just obvious to me
Speaker 3: that he's maturing and he's realizing that he has a
Speaker 3: real position of power that just kind of came out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. He went from being the most hated blacklisted
Speaker 3: man in the world to now having one of the
Speaker 3: biggest audiences in the country, And it's like that comes
Speaker 3: with a lot of pressure, and I think that you
Speaker 3: start to think more deeply about what you have to
Speaker 3: say and try and iron out more of your ideology.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I think it's very healthy and very important that
Speaker 3: people like Tucker Carlson, like Dave Smith have conversations with
Speaker 3: this guy. Like that's obviously a good thing, and it's
Speaker 3: just so frustrating that the mentality from the actual wook,
Speaker 3: right the James Lindsay's, the Ben Shapiro's, is We're not
Speaker 3: just going to cancel you if you have a conversation
Speaker 3: with him. We're gonna cancel people who won't condemn you
Speaker 3: for platforming Nick fuent Is. You know, it's the most
Speaker 3: unhealthy way to go about this. And I know you
Speaker 3: don't agree with what they're doing. I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: say that. I'm just saying it's so dangerous. It creates
Speaker 3: the monster they're trying to slay. Like, I don't know
Speaker 3: why they can't see that, it's so obvious even with
Speaker 3: all of the suppression, he's become one of the biggest figures.
Speaker 3: So what the fuck are you guys doing? Like, what
Speaker 3: do you do you think? Oh, no, we just need
Speaker 3: to go harder. We just need a double down more.
Speaker 3: We just need a black list him more. We just
Speaker 3: need to, you know, not just steal his bank accounts,
Speaker 3: but put him in prison this time, as if that
Speaker 3: won't turn him into a martyr and ultimately uplift his
Speaker 3: entire movement into a truly radical, dangerous thing. And it's
Speaker 3: just like, I feel like I'm talking to a brick
Speaker 3: wall that people just can't see what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: There To answer though, that, like not you know, is
Speaker 10: not make it a rhetorical question on your part. That, like,
Speaker 10: I think James Lindsay would love it if Nickquinte said
Speaker 10: something crazy and it's not a show, so it's not that.
Speaker 10: Don't you guys see your creating this and they say,
Speaker 10: I mean, if they were being honest, yes, we need
Speaker 10: him to exist to justify what we've been saying.
Speaker 3: Yep, no, I agree, But I guess I just that's
Speaker 3: kind of my distinction between whether or not you're a
Speaker 3: good actor or a bad actor is that if James
Speaker 3: is a genuine actor, like he's genuinely concerned about the
Speaker 3: rise of the alt right right, my opinion would be, well,
Speaker 3: then obviously you're going to want to sit down and
Speaker 3: have as many conversations with Nick fuent as you possibly can,
Speaker 3: because you you're a college professor type that you know
Speaker 3: has studied these things, and you understand the rise of
Speaker 3: authoritarian figures and the pitfalls of that, and wouldn't you
Speaker 3: want to imbue that knowledge in him to try and
Speaker 3: prevent him from leading his audience down that path and
Speaker 3: instead his answer to the rise of an authoritarian right
Speaker 3: is to respond with the authoritarianism and like basically or
Speaker 3: soft power, I guess, but to suppress this conversation with
Speaker 3: this kid as much as humanly possible, and to do
Speaker 3: all of the things that you lamented when it came
Speaker 3: to the woke left, you're now doing to the right.
Speaker 3: And it's I just think it's such a dead end.
Speaker 3: And I think it's so dangerous, And it's funny because
Speaker 3: they think that Flinta is indicative or reflective of all
Speaker 3: this danger that I can't see, but they can't see
Speaker 3: the danger of what they're doing themselves.
Speaker 10: Yeah again, And I think you're right, Like it's you know,
Speaker 10: the analogy I use in my episode was with drug
Speaker 10: dealing that oh, if you don't like drive by shootings
Speaker 10: and overdoses and stuff, then don't make something illegal, because
Speaker 10: then that means it's only criminals and shoddy business practices
Speaker 10: that are in that space. So like we was here,
Speaker 10: yeah that it's respectable people don't touch this stuff. And
Speaker 10: I when he was telling that story to Tucker and
Speaker 10: Flint is about how you know, back in the day
Speaker 10: when he was talking about Jesus, seems like, you know,
Speaker 10: we're gonna be a my whites are going to be
Speaker 10: a minority in this because I mean I can remember
Speaker 10: ten years ago, like, yeah, you could you said anything
Speaker 10: like that like this, some people would have taken a
Speaker 10: step back away from you, like, oh, I want to
Speaker 10: get cooties, so I can understand. Whereas now that's the
Speaker 10: very mainstream thing to say because stuff has changed, So
Speaker 10: I understand you know what you're getting at in terms
Speaker 10: of like if things had happened differently, we wouldn't know
Speaker 10: his name right now, or he would have been sort
Speaker 10: of more convention commentator, but this sort of pushed him
Speaker 10: in that direction, or he was going to go this way.
Speaker 10: The reason people flocked to him is because no one
Speaker 10: else was talking about this stuff because everyone else is afraid.
Speaker 3: Right well, and he's very gifted, so it's like it's
Speaker 3: a dangerous combination. You took a really naturally talented orator
Speaker 3: with right wing tendencies and then you abused him very
Speaker 3: aggressively when he was very young, and it's like, well
Speaker 3: you want to just kick him out of Painter school next,
Speaker 3: you know, like what are you guys trying to do here?
Speaker 3: And I just think this is the fight that we're
Speaker 3: in though, It's like this is going to be the
Speaker 3: real divide on the right is like are we an
Speaker 3: identitarian not an interventionist right wing. Are we a non
Speaker 3: identitarian more of an America constitutionalist libertarian, non an inventionist,
Speaker 3: individualist right wing more of our camp, And it's like,
Speaker 3: I still believe that both of those sides are preferable
Speaker 3: to endless empire and woke progressivism and socialism and ultimately,
Speaker 3: you know, destruction of the Constitution. And it's like, so
Speaker 3: I'm just going to continue to be in the fray
Speaker 3: on that conversation and try and win that argument that
Speaker 3: I think our worldview is preferential to that that Nick
Speaker 3: Fuentes prescribes and let the chips fall where they may.
Speaker 3: So I've got to run because hop on your buddy show,
Speaker 3: Tom Woods. Okay, yeah, but I really appreciate your thoughtful
Speaker 3: analysis and pushback and I will absolutely keep it in
Speaker 3: mind and maybe we can do this again in the future.
Speaker 9: Okay, thanks so much for having Mekln.
Speaker 3: Yep, thank you, Bob talk so