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<v Speaker 1>Weird things happened in the back. Weird, weird, weird. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody. We just spent like the last forty five

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<v Speaker 2>minutes playing Pokemon cards. Yeah, Alex and I could feel

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<v Speaker 2>the brain rot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah we did. I did not expect Alex to

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<v Speaker 1>get into it, but he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I got what did you say? I got

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<v Speaker 2>three wonder picks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're like trying to get set up to do

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I'm just sitting here waiting and Alex is

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<v Speaker 1>sitting over there like I got three wonder picks left.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me do it real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Alex, have you ever played Pokemon or like

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<v Speaker 2>seen the show ever? He's like no, Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful thing, man, It's a beautiful I got a really

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<v Speaker 2>cool looking monsters and monsters and monsters. I love it, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. From now on, BSS beef will be

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<v Speaker 2>settled through Pokemon cards.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely Pokemon battles only.

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<v Speaker 3>So so welcome to spirit science.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what I was about, a segue into sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a heavier topic. I thought it would be cool

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<v Speaker 2>if we just had like a broader conversation about the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of like psychic abilities, like like a very general,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not like specifically focused on one area.

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<v Speaker 1>But psychic type in Pokemon. Yeah, just trant to put

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<v Speaker 1>that out there, you know, it's funny. So there was

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<v Speaker 1>the whole like wave of like churches being like pokemonster

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<v Speaker 1>devil and whatever and every My parents always said like

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<v Speaker 1>I'd be like, well, why is it evil? And my

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<v Speaker 1>Dad's like, because they're psychic Pokemon, is it? I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where that's where it's all coming from. That's where

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<v Speaker 1>you draw the line. They play with tarot cards. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad, the psychic Pokemon do one of them? Because am

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<v Speaker 2>doboon he has a pendulum too?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Who has the pendulum? Hypnos or hypno?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Right yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>And then he does spin spoons. Actually yeah he does.

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<v Speaker 2>He went, that's my first introduction to anyone ever beening

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<v Speaker 2>spoons was that Pokemon. So maybe they're onto something.

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<v Speaker 1>They are bro.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it is anti Christian.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't that's the what we were supposed to glean from,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. Okay, maybe they are maybe, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe they are BRO stands for pocket monsters. Pocket that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a monster in your pocket?

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<v Speaker 2>Is my post? My pastor? My pastor said pocket demons,

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<v Speaker 2>as he said.

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<v Speaker 1>That pocket devils a few years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that pocket demons? But anyway, enough of the pocket demons.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to get into a discussion of like

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<v Speaker 2>psychic abilities. Is there any uh, you know, evidence out

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<v Speaker 2>there of some sort of esp phenomenon. Now I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do a disclaimer. Okay, we just had multiple MINROSA

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<v Speaker 2>two trainers. We just did a three part series on

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<v Speaker 2>going to the Monroe Institute. I've been there. Maybe by

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<v Speaker 2>the time this airs, you guys will have had your retreat.

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<v Speaker 2>If not, it's in a week or two. I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go ahead and come out the gate and

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<v Speaker 2>say that I think it would be too easy if

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<v Speaker 2>we sat here and just talked about Monroe's two studies though. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>so I actually didn't go into theirs.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah you know, yeah, because we've been covering in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot lately. Well, it's obvious that they are kind of

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<v Speaker 1>leading the charge in the scientific preace exactly, proving that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm coming from.

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<v Speaker 2>Psychic ability, not that I don't want to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I always want to talk about Monroe and

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<v Speaker 2>and it will end up that way A little bit

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end, But my whole point is I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to dig a little deeper and see if there were

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<v Speaker 2>other avenues where there were scientific studies being done outside

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<v Speaker 2>of like what they're doing, because what they're doing is

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<v Speaker 2>like this this mount Olympus of research for you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean literally like the CIA was studying their program,

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<v Speaker 2>which is you know what I was kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about a little bit at the end. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's my whole point is to say that there are

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<v Speaker 2>other areas of research that I dove into that have

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with them at all, that are different

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<v Speaker 2>studies entirely that some of them I never heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them obviously I've heard of, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>I looked into them. Pretty fascinating stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Very much. So I would say, yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess if you guys want, we can just jump

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<v Speaker 2>right into it. Yeah, but let's go with our first study.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me pull it up.

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<v Speaker 1>How far back you going for this one?

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<v Speaker 2>For this one, I don't think it's that far back.

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<v Speaker 2>But some of them go back to like the seventies

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<v Speaker 2>and eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I know way back then, like the CIA

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<v Speaker 1>were some of the first people to publicly be well,

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't public at the time about it, Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>later on it was revealed that they were studying a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of this stuff with like the.

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<v Speaker 2>They were studying since like the eighties at least, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Always forget the name of the men who Steric Goods Projects,

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<v Speaker 1>Stargate Stargate. How could I forget it? And then of

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<v Speaker 1>course like mk Ultra had some some of that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff too, like and that was the sixties. U. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it goes back. Oh, yeah, Ceia been trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get their hands on some psychic Pokemon for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's probably been Spoon's honestly, because in the nineties

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<v Speaker 2>they saw the popular anime, so they were like, there's

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<v Speaker 2>something too there is they knew it got to be

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<v Speaker 2>something demons, but no, like and if we wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be a little more general, we could say that like

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<v Speaker 2>this whole renaissance of like you could say psychic material

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<v Speaker 2>really started kind of coming to the surface in the

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<v Speaker 2>late eighteen hundreds, because in the late eighteen hundreds you

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<v Speaker 2>had stuff like Rudolph Steiner, you had obviously Helena Bolovotsky.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big one that we've covered on the show

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<v Speaker 2>multiple different episodes. We've talked about her in a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of length, but she's all in, Like her whole premise

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<v Speaker 2>is like kind of Actually I've been reading I'm almost

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<v Speaker 2>done with the second Bob and roebook, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the kind of sessions that he's having reminds me

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<v Speaker 2>of like the awesome fee the Blovotsky stuff. Yeah, not

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<v Speaker 2>that the material is necessarily the same, but like the

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<v Speaker 2>method of like communication, so it's just very fascinating, like

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<v Speaker 2>seeing how there's correlations there.

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<v Speaker 1>Because theosophy also has like a very scientific method and approach. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to the way that they break down the data.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like definitely an attitude the.

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<v Speaker 1>Way that they compile and break down the data. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very like scientific.

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<v Speaker 2>Like aw Coms Razor and Obs like, Yeah, I completely agree.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's what I'm saying is like this whole idea

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<v Speaker 2>of psychic phenomenon really started unfolding, I think like in

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<v Speaker 2>the late eighteen hundreds and then in the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you had people come around like Edgar Casey,

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<v Speaker 2>Levi H. Dowling and there's others that. God, what's he's

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<v Speaker 2>really popular right now? Nevil Goddard. Nevile Goddard is a

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<v Speaker 2>big one right now, even though he died like a

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<v Speaker 2>long time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then Jimmy Neutron named his dog after Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the real goddard that he's named

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<v Speaker 2>after was a NASA's scientist or like a rocket scientist

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<v Speaker 2>or something. You think it's never got her.

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<v Speaker 1>The mystic for sure. The guy that talks about Jesustron,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't signed information.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Jimmy Neutron is a mystic man. He would

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<v Speaker 2>take a miracle like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, Yeah, thank you. I'm with you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he gets it. Alex also has inside information. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>talking to Sheen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she is it Sheen? Yeah, it is she

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<v Speaker 2>It's not Shane. Yeah, and she like he has the

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<v Speaker 2>whole superhero thing going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So he sas like Bible Man. Yeah. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Man with the purple and the lightsaber. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 1>like Sheen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's Sheen's superhero name?

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<v Speaker 1>L Yeah, I was gonna say Ultra Man, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's Ultra Lord. Ultra Man is that popular Japanese

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<v Speaker 2>show from the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, So my point is this stuff goes way back.

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<v Speaker 2>The sidekicks stuff and It's just really fascinating to see

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<v Speaker 2>how I gets unfolded over the last hundred years. I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget being a kid and turning on Ghostbusters

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time when I'm like nine years old

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<v Speaker 2>something like that. And you know the beginning of the movie, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's pulled up Ultra Lord. Yeah, and the beginning of Ghostbusters, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of it is literally I just said the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning twice, but the start of it is literally they're

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there looking at the cards.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember the tarot cards? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not tarot cards. Have you seen their og Ghostbusters? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're like doing an esp study.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't tarot cards.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they were just like little stars and triangles

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<v Speaker 2>and shapes and they're trying to like read on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the card and like pick up psychic phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>So like it's just craz And that was in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my point is that the fascination in this

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<v Speaker 2>subject goes back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, bro, when was Miss Cleo doing her things.

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<v Speaker 1>That was back in the seventies for sure. Not sure

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<v Speaker 1>it goes back, yeah, but that was all the age

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<v Speaker 1>of a querity that you know, they're Yeah, but you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred you know, call miss Cleo.

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<v Speaker 1>Was Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, let's get into it. This is actually we

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<v Speaker 2>recently touched on this. It's the one where they proved.

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<v Speaker 2>It was only last month where they communicated through dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I wanted to talk about this on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so technically that's ESP for sure, that's psychic phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so they proved so basically, two people were

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<v Speaker 2>able to communicate through lucid dreams for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>One participant was asked to focus on a specific message

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<v Speaker 2>while in a lucid dream. The second participant, also in

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<v Speaker 2>a lucid dream, confirmed receiving the message. The communication was

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<v Speaker 2>real time, facilitated by a wearable device that monitored sleep

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<v Speaker 2>stages and a feedback system. The results demonstrated a complete

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<v Speaker 2>successful communication between the two dreamers, marking a significant step

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<v Speaker 2>forward and studying inter dream communication. I'd be curious to

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<v Speaker 2>know a little bit more about actually, because I remember

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<v Speaker 2>us talking about how they had like a dream language

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<v Speaker 2>that they developed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember that too, So this is saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they hooked them up to like instruments and monitored their

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<v Speaker 1>brain waves and stuff. Yeah, and that's how they determined

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<v Speaker 1>that they communicated in the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>So they created a language called rimio. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>just arbitrary, like they just made it up. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>special dream language detected by sensors.

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<v Speaker 1>The oh I see, so I see.

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<v Speaker 2>What they did is they use special equipment to basically

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<v Speaker 2>monitor the different phenomenon that happens during rim sleep, from

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<v Speaker 2>solving physiological problems to oh no, no, I'm sorry. The

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<v Speaker 2>applications of this are solving physiological problems, learning their skills,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting. That is very fascinating. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>see a little bit more about how they received the message.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because this was one of the things we're already

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Monroe. This is one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>Emily's like original story about Monroe that really blew my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>where they were like communicating to each other in their dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's something that and then you hear about it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And remember remember in ted Lasso, he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you see me in your dreams.

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<v Speaker 2>Like like you know in the first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>It's something I've always been curious about, like because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to explore that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a really interesting dream situation happened recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm gonna I'm gonna be very cryptic in the

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very touchy subject. But I have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of cousins, okay, and you guys were actually in here

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<v Speaker 2>when I answered the phone and received the news about

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<v Speaker 2>this cousin, right, yea, the g og. So anyway, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to all right, let me tell this story correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was like Sunday night or something. Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a dream about this cousin, Like this cousin

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<v Speaker 2>was in my dream, and I don't remember what happened exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>but I remember waking up and feeling like I needed

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<v Speaker 2>to reach out to them, and I did it, but

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<v Speaker 2>my first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it together there, I'm sorry, man, this is serious story.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you did it. I know.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I want to hear about it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had the dream. They were in the dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember interacting with them in the dream, but

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up with this feeling of I need to

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shit, Okay, so you don't remember what happened in

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<v Speaker 1>the dream.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I know they were there. I saw them.

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<v Speaker 2>You had the impression that maybe they were in trouble

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<v Speaker 2>or something not in the dream. But I woke up immediately,

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<v Speaker 2>Like my first thought waking up was I need to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to that person. And I ignored it. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, that's weird. I never did it.

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<v Speaker 1>I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hardly talked to them. I was like, that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a life, have kids, Like Jenny taught me this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to cut you off, but I'm getting serious now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've learned a lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>But Jenny taught me this actually something she told me

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. She said, if you ever have someone on

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<v Speaker 2>your mind and you feel like maybe you should reach

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<v Speaker 2>out to them.

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<v Speaker 1>You should. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So I learned this lesson right because I'm sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>the studio and with you guys that Wednesday and get

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<v Speaker 2>a phone call from another one of my cousins who

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<v Speaker 2>shared the news. Very traumatic thing happened to my cousin

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<v Speaker 2>in my dream around the time that they showed up

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<v Speaker 2>in my dream.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the same person that you got the call about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that you had the dream about day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So you didn't tell us that in the moment. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. I remembered on the way home from podcast

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<v Speaker 2>and I told Ryan the next day. But I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you Nick. I don't think you did tell

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<v Speaker 2>me for real. I feel like I would have remembered

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<v Speaker 2>that then I forgot to tell both of you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>So they were in my dream. I declined the gut

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<v Speaker 2>feeling of reaching out to them, like I woke up

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<v Speaker 2>like I need to read and it was just a hey,

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about you love you ye, that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's what I would have reached out with. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>And ended up reaching out the next day after finding

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<v Speaker 2>out about the news, and the news broke to the

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<v Speaker 2>family and coincidentally, they just responded to me today right

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<v Speaker 2>before we came up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So that is nuts, man, that's some straight up

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<v Speaker 1>dream communication. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember, like, you know, I want to get

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<v Speaker 2>my dad on here eventually, but come on, dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>When I mean, I had an uncle who was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital. This is years ago, and my dad had

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<v Speaker 2>a dream the night that he passed away where he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm gonna be all right, Like came to

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<v Speaker 2>him in the dream said he was gonna be okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next day he found out he passed away.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. So, and I mean, this is.

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<v Speaker 2>Not uncommon, you know what I mean, I hear about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I could think of a handful of people I've met

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<v Speaker 2>in my life who've had a similar situation. I had

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<v Speaker 2>a moment like that when I was eighteen my great

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<v Speaker 2>aunt died. Do you remember my my mema sister. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>she's an older sister and she was like always, we

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<v Speaker 2>were just really close. She died when I was eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, me, Matt, Yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So those out there listening, yes, we are that southern

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<v Speaker 2>family that has all these memals and Pap Paul's.

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<v Speaker 1>Or my grandma's name is Grandmammy.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you have a mema your mom's mom?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, that's grandmammy to me. To the young siblings,

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<v Speaker 1>she's me ma, right, But to me and my brother

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<v Speaker 1>and sister. In our generation of the kids, she's grandmommy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Well on my mom's side, I got my

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<v Speaker 2>mem Yea and then her her older sister was me Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>But the way that started was her name was Madeline,

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<v Speaker 2>uh huh, so you know, somewhere along the line she

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<v Speaker 2>became me Matt by one of the older cousins when

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<v Speaker 2>they were like a or something. But anyway, I was

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<v Speaker 2>really close with her. She was like eighty nine when

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<v Speaker 2>she died, eighty six actually, and she was really sick

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<v Speaker 2>and really frail, and she had a stroke, like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, less than six months before she died, and

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<v Speaker 2>the stroke made her like pretty much paralyzed, like not paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what strokes do.

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<v Speaker 2>They make you just kind of a mobile and like

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<v Speaker 2>half of your you know, your body SAgs, and she

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<v Speaker 2>just couldn't really talk anymore, like she didn't have the

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<v Speaker 2>the faculties to really like communicate. She was already old

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<v Speaker 2>and frail. She had osteoporosis, so she was bed ridden.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean her bones would break over and over and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like a really pitiful sight and she

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<v Speaker 2>was just going downhill really fast. And I was a

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<v Speaker 2>freshman in college, and I remember just being this dumb

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<v Speaker 2>college kid. I mean, I'm in college for like three

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<v Speaker 2>or four months at this point, trying to get away

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, grow up or whatever, and not really

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<v Speaker 2>making an effort to go see her in the previous

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<v Speaker 2>three or four months, and she was getting to the

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<v Speaker 2>point where she was basically on the verge of death.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was like weeks and weeks she was in

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital, I guess, waiting to die, but she was

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for me, and she was like she was not catatonic,

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<v Speaker 2>she was not like she was not brain dead, but

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<v Speaker 2>she was. She was just like gave up the will

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<v Speaker 2>to live. So she just sat in bed for weeks

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<v Speaker 2>and like didn't really make a peep or a sound.

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<v Speaker 2>And on a Saturday, I went into the nursing home

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<v Speaker 2>to see her, and she kinda sat up a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and she her eyes got really wide and she

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<v Speaker 2>was like like she saw me and she was excited

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<v Speaker 2>to see me. And she passed away like two days later.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a dream where I was in the room

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<v Speaker 2>and I saw that moment when she sat up and

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<v Speaker 2>she made a sound at me and her eyes got wide,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and in that moment that she did that.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw her above her like I saw her spirit

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<v Speaker 2>above her body, and she looked down at me and

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<v Speaker 2>she said, I'm gonna be waiting for you on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's okay. I think I remember that dream, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I got the sense that I got the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe that's what she was trying something along those lines,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe she was trying to tell me something. But

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<v Speaker 2>she was happy to see me, really relieved to see me,

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<v Speaker 2>and she finally like let go and gave up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the desire to live and she died days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, a week or so later, that

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<v Speaker 2>came to me in a dream and I was just floored, like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, Like I think she really tried to

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<v Speaker 2>say that to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this appears to be one of the most common

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<v Speaker 1>of these like psychic phenomena that people that happens to people.

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<v Speaker 1>It just kind of like happens passively to people. It

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<v Speaker 1>just happens. Yeah, there's a lot, Like Alex said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>like no shortage of stories of these like communications and

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<v Speaker 1>dreams kind of scenarios.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's another crazy story that won't be nearly

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<v Speaker 2>as long. But so my memhi hasn't. She's the last

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<v Speaker 2>living sibling out of like ten And anyway, so she

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<v Speaker 2>had this older brother, ap who passed away about four

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. It was her last sibling. My mom was

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. She saw his spirit leave his body

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<v Speaker 2>and go out the window. When he died, gave his

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<v Speaker 2>last breath, and his spirit left his body and just

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<v Speaker 2>flew out the window. Dude, you know my mom, she's

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<v Speaker 2>like the most skeptical person on earth.

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<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't be making that.

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<v Speaker 2>Shut up.

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<v Speaker 1>No, are you kidding me? No? No, no, no, not

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But anyway, so moving on from the dream communication,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was a fun one, a little short one,

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<v Speaker 2>and we had just talked about that one ARKI was yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is a fascinating one. Now I'm not particularly

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<v Speaker 2>involved with the Rhine Research Center, but there is a

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<v Speaker 2>history there, so we're let's get into the Rhine. The

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<v Speaker 2>Rhine is when you think of the realm of parapsychology,

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<v Speaker 2>which was really emerging in the nineteen fifties. What are

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<v Speaker 2>you cringing at, Alex, You.

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<v Speaker 1>Pull a bad pack? Could you pull a bad pack?

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<v Speaker 2>Come on show it?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I thought I was gonna get more hour glasses

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<v Speaker 1>from my money. What'd you pull? Nothing? I didn't pull

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Hold up, I gotta I gotta say this.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we started, I said, ales gonna be playing while

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<v Speaker 1>re recording. He said absolutely. It's been twenty minute. We're

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<v Speaker 1>twenty minutes in. It's playing.

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<v Speaker 2>He said absolutely. I mean, I don't care if you play,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you pull something good.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't play, Okay. I tried to play and then

428
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<v Speaker 1>said no, I do two tickets for two for one

429
00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:34.519
<v Speaker 1>hour glasses ridiculous. Said I didn't. I didn't play, man,

430
00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:36.599
<v Speaker 1>I was just pulling packs. You gotta you go. I

431
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<v Speaker 1>didn't a battle. You got a battle to get the

432
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<v Speaker 1>hour glasses. Yeah, I know I'm not going to battle

433
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<v Speaker 1>right now.

434
00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I want to switch cameras correctly, right and

435
00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:45.799
<v Speaker 2>put all of my energy into show.

436
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<v Speaker 1>That would be nice.

437
00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you don't have the hour glass energy to

438
00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:55.079
<v Speaker 2>put in the pulling backs. You gotta put your energy

439
00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.960
<v Speaker 2>to the show. We are a live man. Bro.

440
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<v Speaker 1>He's got called out from the class. Hey, I love it. Yeah,

441
00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:03.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it's great. He pulled something good. You better

442
00:21:03.640 --> 00:21:06.519
<v Speaker 1>show us. Yeah, I can't pull I got no money.

443
00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Dude, who in their right mind would complain about this

444
00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.079
<v Speaker 2>man pulling Pokemon peck not me. Yeah, that's that's the wrong.

445
00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Priory'd be like if he was over there watching the

446
00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Lord of the Rings, I know, and I was like,

447
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.759
<v Speaker 1>I told you, I tried again right on the way

448
00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:20.359
<v Speaker 1>to France.

449
00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:23.720
<v Speaker 2>No, And that's that's such a mistake. Man, You're in

450
00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:24.559
<v Speaker 2>a small airplace.

451
00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:26.720
<v Speaker 1>That's the worst place to try. That's what I said.

452
00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.839
<v Speaker 1>That's not the worst place. It's a three hour movie.

453
00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Me the fourth time I've got you need to watch

454
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<v Speaker 1>it with us. Us. My birthday gift from you to

455
00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:40.960
<v Speaker 1>me next year is going to be watching Lord of

456
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<v Speaker 1>the Rings with me. We'll see. I'll just say something.

457
00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Like that crack in his voice there. Yeah, but we

458
00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:54.039
<v Speaker 2>can watch some Lord of the Rings dogs. You're gonna

459
00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.559
<v Speaker 2>love it. Come on, man, you know it's funny. He

460
00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:59.519
<v Speaker 2>never even made it past the part where they're doing

461
00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.759
<v Speaker 2>like the whole Fellowship of the Ring part, Like he's.

462
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<v Speaker 1>That's halfway through the movie. Dude. I have seen his

463
00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:07.200
<v Speaker 1>birthday party four times. Yeah, you're never watching more than

464
00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:09.960
<v Speaker 1>a half hour. That's like the setup part. That's what

465
00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:11.799
<v Speaker 1>I've been nothing even happens.

466
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I've been telling him, Like, you have not

467
00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:16.599
<v Speaker 2>even seen any of the ship.

468
00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Pass, bro. He take one look at Agrn. He's in.

469
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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. He's gonna

470
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<v Speaker 1>be saying.

471
00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:24.039
<v Speaker 2>He is Ara Gorn.

472
00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.839
<v Speaker 1>It's literally like his archetype. Yeah, like it's his.

473
00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, enough about that, I get rid of dude. You

474
00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.680
<v Speaker 2>at least got to finish the first movie, dude, Come on.

475
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<v Speaker 2>So back to the Rhine Center in the nineteen fifties,

476
00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:41.480
<v Speaker 2>when parapsychology was like an emerging field. It was actually

477
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<v Speaker 2>primarily started by JB. Rhyan, which is just the name

478
00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:49.160
<v Speaker 2>of the guy who was like into parapsychology, which is,

479
00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, the study of esp psychic phenomenon, the paranormal,

480
00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the occult, whatever, the mystical and and blending them with

481
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<v Speaker 2>like a scientific lens and out.

482
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<v Speaker 1>It was based out of Duke.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Actually it still is. I don't think it's any more

484
00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.640
<v Speaker 2>like officially connected to Duke. I think they split and

485
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.720
<v Speaker 2>became more or less like and now this is just

486
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:11.640
<v Speaker 2>me talking out of my head here, like I don't

487
00:23:11.759 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 2>know these people that well, but I do know them

488
00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and they're very nice people. Anyway, So it used to

489
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.319
<v Speaker 2>be officially a part of Duke. Their address is like

490
00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>literally Durham.

491
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.400
<v Speaker 1>It's just like flight. We taken credit for that forever,

492
00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:30.799
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina take.

493
00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, plus parapsychology, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,

494
00:23:35.200 --> 00:23:38.279
<v Speaker 2>And anyway, so now they're like they're like a lot

495
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.680
<v Speaker 2>of Duke associates will will work for the Rhine. But

496
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:44.839
<v Speaker 2>my whole point is, I just don't think it's officially

497
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:47.839
<v Speaker 2>entangled with the university anymore, you know, but they hold

498
00:23:48.160 --> 00:23:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the whole events on Duke's campus. I've been to some

499
00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>of them. They hold PEG, which is like the I

500
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.480
<v Speaker 2>think it's the Psychic Experiencers Group every day. I've actually

501
00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:59.759
<v Speaker 2>been invited to that before. No, ship, I don't know

502
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:01.720
<v Speaker 2>if cool. You guys remember doctor Larry Burke.

503
00:24:02.039 --> 00:24:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Larry, it's been a guest of our absolutely.

504
00:24:05.279 --> 00:24:09.880
<v Speaker 2>He's involved with the rhyine many years ago, Carolina. Yeah,

505
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:11.839
<v Speaker 2>he's a Duke professor.

506
00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, yes, yes, it's coming back to me.

507
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.480
<v Speaker 2>It's been a while, yeah, of course, but no, I

508
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:19.799
<v Speaker 2>was just with Larry last weekend at my friend Hukkeem's event.

509
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 2>A remember I went Tolle that's for my buddy Huqum

510
00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Larry and his wife went and they were like vendors there.

511
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yeah, had like a booth and a whole

512
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>like teaching seminar thing that's sick. But anyway, so the

513
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<v Speaker 2>Rhine is very cool. They're kind of like the Monroe

514
00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Institute in the sense that they do like their own

515
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:39.440
<v Speaker 2>independent scientific studies.

516
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:39.839
<v Speaker 1>Of the paranormal.

517
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.759
<v Speaker 2>But where Monroe is more like an institute dedicated to

518
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>like teaching them.

519
00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:46.599
<v Speaker 1>It's like a school.

520
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.599
<v Speaker 2>Uh, the Rhine Institute is more like if you could

521
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:54.880
<v Speaker 2>imagine where Monroe is a school, Monroe's like a spiritual school. Right.

522
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Ryane is like a lab. It's like a lab.

523
00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>It's purely like a lab, like it's in my yeah moments,

524
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:05.279
<v Speaker 2>scientific publications research. They have all these fancy machines, photon

525
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>machines and all this crazy stuff. So anyway, I had

526
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.799
<v Speaker 2>to kind of set the stage for the Rhine Research

527
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Center a center so enter you can, you know you can.

528
00:25:21.559 --> 00:25:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say, you could grip my center, my heart.

529
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 1>He's about a drop heat and you know it.

530
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>My heart center. Of course you can grit my heart.

531
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.440
<v Speaker 2>So can our minds emit light at a distance? A

532
00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:44.759
<v Speaker 2>pre registered confirmatory experiment of mental entanglement with a photo multiplier.

533
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:50.279
<v Speaker 2>So what they did is at the Rhine Institute, they

534
00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:56.839
<v Speaker 2>hypothesized that human intention might generate photon emissions detectable by

535
00:25:56.920 --> 00:26:03.119
<v Speaker 2>sensitive photo multiplier tube at a distance. Participants usually impairs

536
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:08.319
<v Speaker 2>focus intently on sending light while the photo multiplier measured

537
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 2>photon counts for any corresponding fluctuations. The findings revealed slight

538
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:18.400
<v Speaker 2>increases in photon counts during periods of focused intent, hinting

539
00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>at a potential mind to light interaction.

540
00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:25.799
<v Speaker 1>We talked about this exact experiment, I think on another

541
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>frequency Spirit science maybe we talked about this exactly. Was

542
00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 1>it that or was it on Larry Birk's talking about rhyme?

543
00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what you're right, Yeah, because he was talking

544
00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.200
<v Speaker 1>about the dark room that they set them. Yes, yeah,

545
00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>you're exactly that's right. Didn't He also talked about the.

546
00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.039
<v Speaker 2>Room that was the quietest room in the world and

547
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.759
<v Speaker 2>how observed the sound that the human body make. Yeah,

548
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>because they're measuring like bio energy, that's right.

549
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

550
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 2>So they they had they had repeatable excess success with

551
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:04.400
<v Speaker 2>where like they would be able to get these sensors

552
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>to show like significant results by people trying to send

553
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 2>light to these sensors. So that begs the question like

554
00:27:11.759 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 2>bioenergy can we manipulate or by bio energy? This seems

555
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>to suggest yes, the findings it's subtle, so they had

556
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:25.119
<v Speaker 2>significant results. But if you think of significant results, like

557
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 2>let's say, you know, scale is one hundred, and for

558
00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 2>it to be considered significant results, you know, the minimum

559
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.039
<v Speaker 2>is like, I don't know, fifteen percent out of one

560
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>hundred or something. They had that minimum statistical significance.

561
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>So bro, I think if you send a single photon

562
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>out of your brain, yeah, yeah we can. That's a

563
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.119
<v Speaker 1>starting point and that just means that it is only

564
00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:48.839
<v Speaker 1>up to go from there. Absolutely.

565
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 2>But the point is they're very like, they're very stringent

566
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.240
<v Speaker 2>with you know, making a bold claim. So they're like,

567
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, this is their attitude about this is like,

568
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>this is real, this is provable, this is repeatable. We

569
00:28:01.319 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>need more research, we need more data. It's very subtle results.

570
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:07.240
<v Speaker 2>We want to get better data, more data.

571
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:09.839
<v Speaker 1>That is a true scientific approach. It's got to be

572
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:13.160
<v Speaker 1>repeatable for it to be like science, fact has to

573
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 1>be replicatable, replicatable in the same conditions over and over

574
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>other people and peer reviewed and shit like that, and

575
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 1>but then to to remit, like maintain the agnosticism, to say, like,

576
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 1>we did it, but we're waiting on more data.

577
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.200
<v Speaker 2>That's this is a published paper. Yeah, Like they actually

578
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 2>publish their papers, like they have like PhDs. Some of

579
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>them Duke professors some of that' I don't know all

580
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 2>of them like that. I can't claim that they're obviously

581
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.880
<v Speaker 2>not all duke professors, but I know Larry. Larry is

582
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 2>a literal Duke professor. But they they like take it

583
00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:48.119
<v Speaker 2>really seriously, and they like, you know, they they publish

584
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 2>their data. It's like public knowledge. You go to their website,

585
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>can our minds emit light at the distance they have

586
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 2>all the charts to grass on research dot gate, research

587
00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:59.400
<v Speaker 2>gate dot net or whatever. John Kruth, you see one

588
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.960
<v Speaker 2>of the participate or rather one of the researchers in

589
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 2>the experiment. That's the president of the Rhyin.

590
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>We know that guy.

591
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>He's a friend of my dad's. He's a very nice guy,

592
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and I think he's like the editor for the Parapsychology

593
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>magazine out of the Rhine Research Institute. So my whole

594
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 2>point is to say that, like, these are very cool people.

595
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>They're doing very cool work, real data of psychic phenomenon

596
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>the gansfield experience. Does you have thoughts from.

597
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, if you're sending light out of your brain,

598
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 1>that's definitely psychic abilities.

599
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:32.759
<v Speaker 2>They do other stuff too, that's not like necessarily research papers,

600
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>like they do the thing with the cards, like reading

601
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, the back of the cards like in the

602
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 2>Ghostbusters movie. They have like this group where they get

603
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>together every Tuesday. Like I said, it's the PEG, the

604
00:29:44.039 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Psychic Experiencers Group, and they have like open forum discussions

605
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 2>about their psychic phenomenon that they experience, dream interpretations they do.

606
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>They do more like psychokinetic type stuff. So technically that's

607
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.880
<v Speaker 2>psychokinesis m because you have you think they're manipulating a

608
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 2>physical sensor. Yeah, so they're actually using their mind sending

609
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:11.680
<v Speaker 2>some sort of photon of light whatever. The phenomenon is

610
00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that you visualize it in your brain and you're getting

611
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:17.799
<v Speaker 2>a machine to light up. That's manipulating matter, that's manipulating

612
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 2>physical reality.

613
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.039
<v Speaker 1>So that falls under the mind right, So nuts, So.

614
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 2>That technically falls under the category of psychoesis psychoconesis yeah?

615
00:30:26.319 --> 00:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Bad ass, dude, Yeah, very cool. I'll turn into

616
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Cyclops and just start shooting lasers my eyes.

617
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I think psychoconesis I think like Gene Gray. Yeah, yeah,

618
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Cyclops is like laser vision. I think of that dude

619
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.799
<v Speaker 2>from Avatar, which one the guy in that shoots the

620
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:44.640
<v Speaker 2>beam out of ports?

621
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the third iby.

622
00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, from Korra right, No, that's from the OgH

623
00:30:51.079 --> 00:30:51.880
<v Speaker 2>He's in the fire Nation.

624
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Cyclops.

625
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I've also been sitting here thinking about our our little

626
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the first time me and you tried to do psychic

627
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.799
<v Speaker 2>viewing remote you know, I just threw that away last week.

628
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I still have mine somewhere.

629
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 2>I just have so much paperwork on my desk.

630
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>I was doing remote viewing without me.

631
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was when Amy was here.

632
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh oh cool.

633
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.599
<v Speaker 2>And we recorded with Amy and then you went home

634
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 2>and we did full disclosure that night. And then after

635
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.640
<v Speaker 2>full Disclosure, it's probably like midnight or something, we went

636
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<v Speaker 2>downstairs and we worked on remote viewing with Amy.

637
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<v Speaker 1>And we actually got hits. We really did, yeah, three

638
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 1>of them. We should do it tonight. Do you remember

639
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the Oh?

640
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but do we have time tonight? Maybe it'll be cooler.

641
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Here's an idea, because we have to record two episodes. Tonight.

642
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it'd be cooler if on an upcoming episode

643
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>we did it on the show. You know what I'm saying. Yes,

644
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 2>we could record the in that way we're teaching people.

645
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, dude, that's a good that's a great idea. Yeah,

646
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Why not let's do that. Why not

647
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I could spy on you.

648
00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, we actually did get hits, but we got

649
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>some pretty freaky hits. Freaky hits, yeah, like Alex was doing. Admittedly,

650
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 2>everybody's different. It's like playing an instrument. Some people play

651
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.240
<v Speaker 2>a saxophone, some people play, you know, guitar, some people

652
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 2>play piano, drums, whatever. Everybody has different inclinations. Me personally,

653
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm not really that inclined to remote you Like, I

654
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:13.599
<v Speaker 2>can get hits, but if you're describing like a mountain

655
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 2>or you know, if the target is a mountain, for me,

656
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:20.599
<v Speaker 2>the hits are like, hmm, I see some rock, it's

657
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 2>something really tall.

658
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, see, that might be hella hard for me.

659
00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>So I was. My first one was was interesting, like

660
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I hit something in the target, but it wasn't like

661
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 2>the main target. Like I started drawing trees that were

662
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:40.440
<v Speaker 2>trees in the background of the picture. Then the next

663
00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>one is probably my best one. I drew like I

664
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.319
<v Speaker 2>was seeing like this donut shape. It ended up being

665
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>like an island and it was a it was an

666
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>area s shaped island. So I drew like this donut shape,

667
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and it actually there was this donut shaped island in

668
00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the picture with a bridge around it. Yeah, and so

669
00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 2>that we'll what she started talking. And I don't want

670
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>to like leak a whole bunch of the information that

671
00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:07.799
<v Speaker 2>she taught, but she started talking about you know, I

672
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 2>was getting so locked.

673
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Into what was I seeing? What was I seeing? She

674
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, what are you feeling?

675
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.759
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, it's not all about what

676
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you see. It's about engaging all five senses. And in

677
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:21.240
<v Speaker 2>that doughnut smell anything, I started feeling like you taste anything.

678
00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I was on the edge, like there was an edge

679
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.640
<v Speaker 2>or like some it some height, like I could feel

680
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>wind blowing and like I felt high up off the ground.

681
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 2>It was an island with a bridge, like a highway bridge,

682
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, that's where I was getting this

683
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.519
<v Speaker 2>ledge feeling. I couldn't paint the picture, I couldn't see it,

684
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Speaker 2>but I could feel the ledge h so interesting. And

685
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.960
<v Speaker 2>then you have some people who could vividly see the

686
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>whole picture, right, So that's just not me. Yea, yeah,

687
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:50.640
<v Speaker 2>I think with practice, maybe we could all get there.

688
00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>But it's just like, I don't know, I think, you know,

689
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.759
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just not really my thing. I'm not really

690
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 2>like inclined to want to remove you. I've had several

691
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>exercises doing it. I get some hit so I'm like, yeah,

692
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I know it's real. It's just like I don't really

693
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>feel the drive to do it. It tickles my fancy. Yeah,

694
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I really should keep pulling that thread.

695
00:34:09.440 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I would want to do?

696
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.079
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm inclined to want to do, Ben Spoons,

697
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.280
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. See, I think that's that's like

698
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I think everybody has different gifts, everybody has different fortes.

699
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and just for me remote viewing, it's like

700
00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. But maybe it's someone else's gift it ain't mine.

701
00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

702
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 2>My heads are always super vague, like anyway, it's cool

703
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:40.320
<v Speaker 2>how it works, right, Yes, very cool? Uh, the gans

704
00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Field experiments.

705
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:41.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what's weird.

706
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a very very famous study in the realm

707
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>of esp and I had actually never heard of this one,

708
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>so the gans field experiments were designed to test for

709
00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:00.039
<v Speaker 2>extra sensory perception by putting participants into a mild a

710
00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:06.920
<v Speaker 2>sensory deprivation state, which researchers believed might enhance subtle size signals.

711
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 2>The standard procedure involved two participants, a sender who concentrated

712
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.199
<v Speaker 2>on an image or video chosen randomly by a computer,

713
00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>and a receiver who relaxed in a separate room with

714
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:23.320
<v Speaker 2>white noise, translucent ping pong ball halves over their eyes

715
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.440
<v Speaker 2>so their eyes are covered by the ping pong ball haves,

716
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 2>and a red light to create a blank visual field.

717
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:35.199
<v Speaker 2>In this state, the receiver described any mental impressions they received. Afterward,

718
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>they were shown four images or videos, one of which

719
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:41.639
<v Speaker 2>was the sender's target, and were asked to identify the

720
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>one that matched their impressions. If ESP didn't exist, receivers

721
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.199
<v Speaker 2>would choose correctly only twenty five percent of the time

722
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 2>by chance. Results varied significantly over time. Early studies found

723
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 2>hit rates around thirty four percent higher than chance and

724
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>considered statistically significant, sparking interest in SIE effects or ESP effects,

725
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 2>because remember, the random chance would attribute to only a

726
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty five percent correct margin. They were hitting at least

727
00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 2>thirty four percent correct, so it's above random, right. There

728
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:18.440
<v Speaker 2>are critics who raise concerns about possible methodological flaws, including

729
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:23.760
<v Speaker 2>randomization issues potential sensory leakage where participants might unconsciously pick

730
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 2>up cues unrelated to SIE effects. So in order to

731
00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>address these, they developed the Auto gans felt. That totally

732
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>sounds like an anime mech Auto Yeah, Auto guns felt.

733
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like a giant mech robot mobilized. It's fighting a

734
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>giant monster that comes from space and it has millions

735
00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 2>of little spawn.

736
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 1>That I would watch it.

737
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:43.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, me too, Yeah, I totally would. Man, it's the

738
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:45.199
<v Speaker 2>end of the world and this robot's just like.

739
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 1>The name of the show is like auto guns Field zero.

740
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>That sounds like an It.

741
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Reminds me of Gance Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,

742
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, right field yeah, which autom Okay, So

743
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.960
<v Speaker 2>they developed the auto gans Feld, which automated parts of

744
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the experiment to minimize human error and improve rigor Okay.

745
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>Despite these improvements, the results remain contentious. Some meta analysis,

746
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:13.559
<v Speaker 2>like those by Daryl Bim and Charles Norton, continued to

747
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 2>find statistically significant effects, especially when studies adhered strictly to

748
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.199
<v Speaker 2>the original procedure. Again, skeptics conducted a meta analysis that

749
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.719
<v Speaker 2>found no significant effect across a broader range of studies,

750
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 2>suggesting that minor procedural changes might influence outcomes. Further studies

751
00:37:29.119 --> 00:37:33.960
<v Speaker 2>have shown the only experiments closely following the traditional Gansfeld

752
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>protocol show positive results, while those that modify the protocol

753
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 2>often don't, So there is evidence of a faint side effect. Again,

754
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:50.760
<v Speaker 2>it's that subtle statistical significance. More research needed, Maybe there's

755
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.639
<v Speaker 2>something to it. It's above random. There have been challenges

756
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.159
<v Speaker 2>replicating it because, like we saw, when they modify it

757
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:02.440
<v Speaker 2>usually doesn't show positive results, methodological concerns. So because of

758
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 2>these things. By the way, this happened like many years ago,

759
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>like I think it was the seventies and eighties.

760
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, I didn't say.

761
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:14.639
<v Speaker 2>That, but yeah, because of the uh, the pushback from skeptics,

762
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I think this never broke into like mainstream science. It

763
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 2>stayed in the whole realm of you know, parapsychology or whatever.

764
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 2>But the fact is there there are real esp effects

765
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that have been measured statistically significant, and you know, I'd

766
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>be willing to see what would happen if they tried

767
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>it again today.

768
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would love to see that. I just like,

769
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, if there's any sort of sort of

770
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:45.519
<v Speaker 1>statistical evidence whatsoever, and it's above random, like, why are

771
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:49.079
<v Speaker 1>we not just putting all of our resources into figuring

772
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 1>this out?

773
00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 2>I think it's paradigm, right. I think it's like I

774
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.320
<v Speaker 2>think there's a greater scientific dogma that's like, uh, this

775
00:38:57.400 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 2>stuff's not real unless there's hard proof. But then I

776
00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 2>also wonder if it's like, well, what can we.

777
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 1>Do with it? Right? That's that's honestly it because the

778
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 1>greatest motivators for scientific really, the greatest motivator for scientific

779
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>advancement isn't always has been warm. Yeah, what can we

780
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:16.719
<v Speaker 1>do with it? It's always been war?

781
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.880
<v Speaker 2>See the little ping pong ball with the headset with

782
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:22.159
<v Speaker 2>the white noise, and see they have them like it's

783
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 2>total sense, not total but partial sensory deprivation. But I mean, dude,

784
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw that on YouTube when I was a kid

785
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and tried to replicate it. No, did you have any results?

786
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

787
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it was like you can hallucinate at home with

788
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.960
<v Speaker 2>these items and you put the ping pong balls over

789
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 2>your eyes and you shine the red light. You stare

790
00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.360
<v Speaker 2>at the computer and you put the headphones on and shipmber.

791
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't this look like something of a horror movie? God

792
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:52.800
<v Speaker 2>God experiments a zero like zombies coming out.

793
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Right? You know? You know the reason you got GPS

794
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.840
<v Speaker 1>on your phone right now is because satellites were originally

795
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 1>designed and deployed for war. Like every major scientific advancement

796
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.360
<v Speaker 1>that you could name, it comes from war. It's the

797
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 1>greatest motivator to innovation.

798
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.519
<v Speaker 2>That's why it's really interesting going to see the CIA

799
00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:21.440
<v Speaker 2>leaked documents regarding this stuff. Like one of my favorite

800
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:26.719
<v Speaker 2>leaked document declassified i should say not leaked declassified CA

801
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 2>documents is the nineteen eighty four mission of Mars.

802
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Were they remote viewed? You know who that was?

803
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:35.920
<v Speaker 2>No as Joe mc monacall really yeah, dude, It's been

804
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 2>my favorite document on that entire website, probably since before

805
00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>we started doing the show. Yeah, it's I'm pretty sure

806
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 2>that was project stargeting.

807
00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Yea, even that stuff, even them getting into remote viewing

808
00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in the seventies and eighties, they're like, we want to

809
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.239
<v Speaker 1>spy on our enemies. Yeah, that's like, it's what it's

810
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:52.880
<v Speaker 1>always about.

811
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why they did it. Joe explained it to me,

812
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 2>explained it to our whole group. The reason that they

813
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.960
<v Speaker 2>began the remote viewing project in the army is because

814
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:02.119
<v Speaker 2>in the I think it was the eighties when it

815
00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:08.760
<v Speaker 2>truly began, the generals got together and they were like, Okay,

816
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>we need to have a serious discussion about this. But

817
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.719
<v Speaker 2>the Russians are getting into the occult getting. They have

818
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>sorcery type practices, they have psychic spying, and our intelligence

819
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.599
<v Speaker 2>is telling us that it actually works. Should we be

820
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:24.119
<v Speaker 2>worried about this? Yes, we should be worried about this. Okay,

821
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:27.760
<v Speaker 2>is this something that we can do to counteract the Russians?

822
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 2>They determined that that maybe they couldn't. The way it

823
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 2>was worded to me, it was like they can't prevent

824
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the spying, like they can't block it psychically, but they

825
00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 2>can counter do it.

826
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:41.800
<v Speaker 1>They can spy back.

827
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, and you can look up the I

828
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.079
<v Speaker 2>think it's the Typhoon class submarine, which was like a

829
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>top secret classified Russian like nuclear submarine that we discovered

830
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the remote viewing. It's like declassified information. We actually made

831
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>tech logical discoveries through remote viewing and a whole bunch

832
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 2>of other stuff that's totally real shit. The way they

833
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 2>picked him even so, Joe was literally he was like

834
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the first one. He was remote viewer zerzer one, and

835
00:42:12.440 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>he told us a story. It's a very cool story.

836
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.079
<v Speaker 2>So when they were like, okay, well, how do we

837
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:20.840
<v Speaker 2>even recruit people for this, they started to notice that

838
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.679
<v Speaker 2>in Vietnam and the other wars around the time of Vietnam,

839
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.440
<v Speaker 2>some people would go on these tours and they would

840
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>come home and all of their buddies and their platoon,

841
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:35.960
<v Speaker 2>all their brothers would die. But they would come home

842
00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and then they'd go on another tour. The same guy

843
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.159
<v Speaker 2>that came home from the last one, same scenario, his

844
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 2>whole platoon died. He made it home. How did he

845
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>make it home? How does this guy keep going on

846
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:47.639
<v Speaker 2>so many combat deployments and he keeps making it home

847
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.079
<v Speaker 2>but everyone around him dies. So they decided, Okay, they

848
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:56.800
<v Speaker 2>probably have some sort of super powerful sixth sense situation.

849
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, yeah like that, these individuals probably have a

850
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 2>powerful psychic intuition that we could use to harness this

851
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:06.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing. And it turned out to be true.

852
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's how they recruited the psychic Spice was looking

853
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.519
<v Speaker 2>at these reports of these soldiers who would come home

854
00:43:12.639 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 2>and they you know, I don't know how many there were,

855
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it's totally real.

856
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 1>It's fascinating, Yeah, because that's got to be wild. You

857
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.360
<v Speaker 1>keep sending these platoons out there and the same guy

858
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 1>keeps coming back. Like what is this guy doing different?

859
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.199
<v Speaker 1>He's being guided by his psychic intuition. Yeah, to every

860
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.079
<v Speaker 1>decisis sense making is Yeah, that sixth sense is just

861
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 1>telling him what how to navigate. Yep.

862
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's hard to replicate, but you that applies

863
00:43:38.440 --> 00:43:39.599
<v Speaker 2>really easily to life.

864
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely it does. Yeah you know what I mean.

865
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:46.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it applies to picking packs, right, yeah, no.

866
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 1>But you just you know people that like that just

867
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 1>like survive everything. Yeah. Yeah. One of my coworker's dads

868
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:56.639
<v Speaker 1>like fell out of a helicopter in a war, and like,

869
00:43:56.840 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Speaker 1>for real, he's survived cancer twice. He's had like all

870
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:03.639
<v Speaker 1>kinds of like so many different life threatening he had

871
00:44:03.679 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 1>a heart attack like a month ago, like so many

872
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 1>things throughout his life, and he just keeps just keeps trucking.

873
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like, what is what is the deal? Some people

874
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 1>are just like so hyper resilient, and I gotta think

875
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it's something right, right. I think I gotta think it's

876
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.639
<v Speaker 1>something deeper than the surface level. It's not just like,

877
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:31.280
<v Speaker 1>oh he's lucky. I think there's something deeper there. For sure.

878
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:33.880
<v Speaker 1>He got that psychic that psychic powers.

879
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:37.519
<v Speaker 2>Bro, you triggered something for me here with the pack thing.

880
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Is that My introduction to this phenomenon in my youth

881
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.000
<v Speaker 2>was playing this card game with my mom called golf.

882
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>You ever play a card game called golf? You have

883
00:44:51.079 --> 00:44:54.159
<v Speaker 2>six cards basically, and you strategically kind of want to

884
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 2>trade him out and flip him over to get the

885
00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:58.760
<v Speaker 2>lowest score. I'm not going to explain the whole game,

886
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.920
<v Speaker 2>but basically you'd be He had a point where you

887
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 2>have to flip over one of these six face down

888
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 2>cards that you have, and I remember closing my eyes

889
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>and seeing the six cards and then one of them

890
00:45:11.039 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>would start.

891
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Glowing in my in my oh wow, and I would

892
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 1>flip that card over. Dude, that's so wild. You know

893
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:23.039
<v Speaker 1>our buddy Jesse that grew up on my street. Uh,

894
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.119
<v Speaker 1>he used to come over all the time and like

895
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.159
<v Speaker 1>swim in the pool and whatever. And I remember this

896
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.440
<v Speaker 1>one time we were playing. We were just like in

897
00:45:29.519 --> 00:45:32.039
<v Speaker 1>the pool, playing the stupid game. And he was like,

898
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 1>all right, you gotta close your eyes and I'm going

899
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:35.480
<v Speaker 1>to like go somewhere in the pool and you gotta

900
00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 1>like point me out or whatever. And he was like

901
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 1>he would like make me put my hand over my

902
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.079
<v Speaker 1>eyes and everything, and I swear to you, bro, this

903
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was like I was probably like ten or something. I

904
00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:47.000
<v Speaker 1>would like look at him and then I would put

905
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.360
<v Speaker 1>my hand over my eyes, and I swear to you,

906
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:52.679
<v Speaker 1>there was this no it was like this like this

907
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>ball of like like energy. That's not the best way

908
00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>to explain it. It was almost like a star burst

909
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.079
<v Speaker 1>like energy, like just like going around and as he

910
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 1>would move, I would see it move, so I would

911
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 1>just follow it with my finger and whatever. And I

912
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>swear my hands are over my eyes and I'm following it.

913
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And then i'd open and I'd be pointing right at

914
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.320
<v Speaker 1>him and he's like, you're cheating, and I was like, no,

915
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 1>I can see it. I don't know what's happening, but

916
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>like I can see this like thing. And it would

917
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.440
<v Speaker 1>happen over and over every time i'd point right to him.

918
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>I think children don't have that filter, you know, And

919
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>that's so cliche. Everybody says that you see it in

920
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the horror movies, but like, I really think so, Like

921
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I think children are way more in tune in that

922
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff because you don't have that doubt filter.

923
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I'm trying to do that kind of st

924
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 1>because I'll remember that and be like, I wonder if

925
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>I could do something like that now, and then I'll try.

926
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's like I have gotten it to work like

927
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.119
<v Speaker 1>once or twice as an adult, but it's like as

928
00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a kid, it was just boom. I would just do

929
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.159
<v Speaker 1>it and I would just see it. It was like

930
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>really weird. Yeah, really weird. That's wild. He was convinced

931
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.039
<v Speaker 1>that I was just like peeking or whatever. I know.

932
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I talked about this briefly when Arkie was on a

933
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago, but there there was an experience recently

934
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 2>where I was like kind of spontaneously going out of

935
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:05.079
<v Speaker 2>body a little bit and my eyes were closed and

936
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I was wide awake from bed, but I could see

937
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>through my closed eyelids. I could see the room around me,

938
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:09.559
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, whoa.

939
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:11.079
<v Speaker 1>It was very weird.

940
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think I think, like I think we

941
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 2>are approaching a time where this kind of information is

942
00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 2>going to rapidly unfold, and it has to do with

943
00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the phenomenon. I think, like the more the world begins

944
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to see this stuff, the more we're gonna kind of

945
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>like grasp and like you know, make contact with this

946
00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.039
<v Speaker 2>sort of information, with this sort of knowledge. And I

947
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:36.880
<v Speaker 2>think we're gonna be really shocked at like how far

948
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:39.000
<v Speaker 2>we can develop this stuff. I think anything is pretty

949
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>much possible within reason, within following the laws of the

950
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 2>physical universe.

951
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gotta follow the laws of physics. Yeah, I was

952
00:47:48.840 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 1>just watching the point. Yeah, I was just watching that

953
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 1>interview with Sad Guru and he was talking about how

954
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>the human body has reached the peak of its evolution

955
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 1>and that I agree. Consciousness evolution it's the next step,

956
00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>is the next step.

957
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 2>It's the only thing to make sense.

958
00:48:05.400 --> 00:48:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Psychic consciousness evolution being able to manipulate first. He said,

959
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:14.559
<v Speaker 1>it will start first with manipulating our own bodies with

960
00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 1>our minds, because that's what he explains that he he

961
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.800
<v Speaker 1>does and has done, and he explains that's kind of

962
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:25.280
<v Speaker 1>what people who reach enlightenment do. They learn how to

963
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.119
<v Speaker 1>quite literally change the chemistry within their bodies with their

964
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.159
<v Speaker 1>minds to match a like blissful state of consciousness at

965
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>all time. That's cool. Yeah, how long is this interview?

966
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>It was a good like two and a half hours

967
00:48:39.960 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 1>or so.

968
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I'll probably watch it tomorrow. Christ Ginny and I have

969
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a drive to Faate go to North Dakota.

970
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:47.519
<v Speaker 1>It was it was a really awesome and profound and

971
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.760
<v Speaker 1>b it's with THEO Von So it's hilarious, right, it's

972
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 1>so funny.

973
00:48:51.719 --> 00:48:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm stoked for that one.

974
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It's great. I'll definitely throw That was like a shock

975
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:58.199
<v Speaker 1>I was. I saw it came out of nowhere right.

976
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 1>I saw the thumbnail. It was THEO and sad Guru.

977
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what, Yeah, I don't even listen to

978
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:07.000
<v Speaker 2>podcasts like that, Like I follow theovon, but I don't regularly,

979
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, listen to the show. But that one I'm

980
00:49:09.960 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>very excited to listen to, really really And it's not

981
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that I don't like the show. I'm just not much

982
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of a consumer, you know what I mean.

983
00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 1>That's like I'm constantly listening to podcasts and it's mostly

984
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 1>like comedians and uh people like that.

985
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I'm just I justoke for that one.

986
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I've been really into necro Goble co on the I've

987
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.360
<v Speaker 1>been seeing it, dude, it's so good. I've been seeing

988
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 1>clips of it.

989
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 2>He's got like big people on it, and.

990
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.599
<v Speaker 1>He just started up. Yeah, and it's really really it's hilarious.

991
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I've been seeing Uh. He had someone on the other

992
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 2>day that was like I can't remember who it was,

993
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:45.639
<v Speaker 2>but it was like a really big comedian or something.

994
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.320
<v Speaker 1>First guest was Andrew Santino. His second was Pete Holmes.

995
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I saw that was yeah, Pete, Pete Holmes, Andrew Centino,

996
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:54.159
<v Speaker 2>and there was someone else and I was like, who

997
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 2>is this guy? How's he getting these people? And it's

998
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:56.880
<v Speaker 2>like a big band.

999
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:00.320
<v Speaker 1>He's oh, they're a huge band. But also like he

1000
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 1>keeps his identity completely obscure, Like I think you might

1001
00:50:04.400 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>be able to dig and find out who it is,

1002
00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.280
<v Speaker 1>but from context clues, it sounds like you know who

1003
00:50:08.320 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>it is. No, sounds like he's a comedian though. Yeah,

1004
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:12.760
<v Speaker 1>he's like one of the I saw a clipper.

1005
00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:14.920
<v Speaker 2>He was like, I'm really good at improving and it

1006
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.440
<v Speaker 2>was just like really bad, but it was funny.

1007
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>It's a funny show.

1008
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that kind of stuff.

1009
00:50:19.880 --> 00:50:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Man, it's so funny. Saguru he straight upset it. The

1010
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>next step in evolution for humanity is psychic and conscious.

1011
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.880
<v Speaker 1>It's it's manipulating things with our minds. I love that.

1012
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know what's funny talk about love and stuff.

1013
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I just pulled this up and and I love this that.

1014
00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>There is a horror film that came out in twenty

1015
00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:45.000
<v Speaker 2>fourteen called The Gansfeld Haunting. Oh no, it's a recreation

1016
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.840
<v Speaker 2>the picture. Yeah, look you see it, pull a pack.

1017
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Alex looks like a minion.

1018
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:53.400
<v Speaker 2>It looks like a yeah it does done, it like

1019
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.639
<v Speaker 2>an evil minion. I think I have like one or

1020
00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:57.800
<v Speaker 2>two more studies and then we can just float out

1021
00:50:57.840 --> 00:51:01.719
<v Speaker 2>of here. Fuck yeah, I've got two more. The Princeton

1022
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Engineering Anomalies Research This went on at Princeton apparently, which

1023
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>I thought was pretty wild. But so, from nineteen seventy

1024
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>nine to two thousand and seven, the Princeton Engineering Anomalies

1025
00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Research Lab, or the Pair Lab, conducted groundbreaking experiments exploring

1026
00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>whether human consciousness could influence physical systems. So again it's

1027
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>that psychokinesis effect like what they did at the Ryan Center.

1028
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.559
<v Speaker 2>By the way, the Rhine does way more than the

1029
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.519
<v Speaker 2>study that I said. I only reference that one because

1030
00:51:33.519 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 2>it's a published paper. They have many more that they're

1031
00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:38.400
<v Speaker 2>working on now that are not published papers. I'm keeping

1032
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.880
<v Speaker 2>this to like published you know, published data, but anyway, so.

1033
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:44.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1034
00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Exploring whether human consciousness could influence physical systems. One of

1035
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:52.440
<v Speaker 2>their core studies involved using random event generators, devices designed

1036
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to produce sequences of statistically random numbers. The participants attempted

1037
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.559
<v Speaker 2>to influence these systems, with their thoughts being to shift

1038
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 2>the numbers away from randomness. They produced results suggesting that

1039
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 2>human intention can indeed influence physical systems in subtle ways

1040
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.119
<v Speaker 2>over millions of trials millions from the seventies. From nineteen

1041
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 2>seventy nine to two thousand and seven, they did millions

1042
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:22.239
<v Speaker 2>of trials. They observed small but statistically significant which means true,

1043
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, deviations in the behavior of the rigs or

1044
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 2>the random number generators, particularly when participants focus their mental

1045
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:35.639
<v Speaker 2>attention on influencing outcomes. The significance of the effect was

1046
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 2>generally small, often around one in one thousand out of millions,

1047
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:43.639
<v Speaker 2>but the consistent results over extensive testing indicated a non

1048
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 2>random correlation between human intention and physical processes. Beyond the

1049
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.000
<v Speaker 2>random number generators. The pair lab also explored other phenomenons

1050
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:57.280
<v Speaker 2>such as the behavior of mechanical devices a random mechanical cascade,

1051
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>or Murphy is what they nicknamed it, pendulums and even robots,

1052
00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 2>all with the goal of testing whether human intention could

1053
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.440
<v Speaker 2>alter their outcomes. I've seen this before.

1054
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 1>It sounds familiar.

1055
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I've seen where people have like tried to alter the

1056
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:12.199
<v Speaker 2>behavior of robots with their thoughts.

1057
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was this. We may have also talked about

1058
00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:17.840
<v Speaker 1>this one. Yeah, really familiar.

1059
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It does sound familiar with the robots, and I feel

1060
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:21.880
<v Speaker 2>like maybe you talked about this one.

1061
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:25.119
<v Speaker 1>We may have. I don't know, but anyway, I think

1062
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>we did.

1063
00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.639
<v Speaker 2>That's that's definitely given me deja vu. Yeah, I just

1064
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 2>see the picture of my mind. Maybe man, maybe maybe

1065
00:53:32.239 --> 00:53:36.840
<v Speaker 2>we all are. And these experiments data indicated measurable shifts

1066
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 2>aligned with participants intentions, further suggesting a connection between mind

1067
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:46.159
<v Speaker 2>and matter. However, these results have been controversial. Critics have

1068
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:50.199
<v Speaker 2>argued that the observed effects, while statistically significant, were small

1069
00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 2>and might have been influenced by factors such as experiment

1070
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:56.960
<v Speaker 2>or bias, environmental conditions or chance fluctuations, and highly sensitive equipment.

1071
00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know what people say, we see satellites, so

1072
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't give a sh shit. Despite criticism, pairs work

1073
00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:06.280
<v Speaker 2>helped to advance the field of consciousness research, and it

1074
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:09.880
<v Speaker 2>continues to spark debate about the potential interaction between the mind,

1075
00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 2>matter and consciousness affecting physical reality. So some of their

1076
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 2>key conclusions were that certain individuals or operators exhibited particularly

1077
00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 2>strong psychic abilities, and the effects varied between participants. Yeah,

1078
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I swear we talked about robots on a previous Spirit

1079
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Science episode.

1080
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.519
<v Speaker 1>It might have been like frequency and vibration. Yeah something,

1081
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 1>can you look that up? Chat? Yeah, like a stream?

1082
00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Has it done? Chat? A chat chat? So that's cool.

1083
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty cool, right, Like messing with robots and pendulums

1084
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and random number generators and getting results.

1085
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:55.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's cragnificant results. Yeah, there's always skeptics out there

1086
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:59.280
<v Speaker 1>that are like, it is not significant, Oh, experimental bias,

1087
00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and like there's always skeptics. But in my opinion, like

1088
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:06.920
<v Speaker 1>if the if the stats are significant enough to suggest

1089
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.199
<v Speaker 1>that it's not random, we're getting somewhere.

1090
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if it's enough to suggest it's not random, then

1091
00:55:12.599 --> 00:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe we should do more. Maybe we should replicate this,

1092
00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe we should keep going. It does baffle me a

1093
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:18.880
<v Speaker 2>little bit, like white people don't keep.

1094
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Going with this yeah, I don't get it.

1095
00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I understand the original people not keep going with this

1096
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>because they did it for like thirty years or twenty years,

1097
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:27.679
<v Speaker 2>but like other people should catch wind of this and

1098
00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:30.599
<v Speaker 2>be like, oh my god, let's do this. I agree,

1099
00:55:30.679 --> 00:55:32.840
<v Speaker 2>there's something to it. And then we got one more

1100
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 2>the This is another really famous one, apparently. I don't

1101
00:55:36.719 --> 00:55:38.760
<v Speaker 2>think I've heard of this one, and I don't know

1102
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.840
<v Speaker 2>if I'm saying this right, But the Mama needs Mema needs,

1103
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 2>the Mema needats I don't know. Medical center studies The

1104
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Mama needat Medical Center studies conducted by researchers like montaig

1105
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Olman and Stanley Kripner. They're some of the most popular

1106
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.880
<v Speaker 2>ESP studies in all of history, particularly dream telepathy. I

1107
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.039
<v Speaker 2>put this one at the end to correlate with the

1108
00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 2>first one we talked about. Conducted between the sixties and

1109
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 2>the seventies. It focused on testing the hypothesis that people

1110
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.199
<v Speaker 2>could experience telepathic communication during their dreams. Very interesting considering

1111
00:56:12.239 --> 00:56:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that just last.

1112
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:14.639
<v Speaker 1>Month we proved this without a doubt.

1113
00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know they were talking about this is the sixties. Yeah,

1114
00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>So in the experiment, a cinder in one room would

1115
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.960
<v Speaker 2>focus on a randomly selected image, while the receiver, in

1116
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:26.679
<v Speaker 2>another room, typically in a state of rim sleep, was

1117
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.960
<v Speaker 2>monitored for eye movements to determine when they were dreaming

1118
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:31.639
<v Speaker 2>upon waking.

1119
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:32.760
<v Speaker 1>Now we have like little.

1120
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Bracelet sensors and all kinds of crazy technic as far

1121
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:37.360
<v Speaker 2>as we have to watch people's eyes. You know, are

1122
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.119
<v Speaker 2>they in rapid eye movement in the sixties? Right, So,

1123
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 2>upon waking, the receiver was asked to describe the dreams

1124
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 2>they had, and their descriptions were then compared to the images.

1125
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 2>The success rate was notably higher than what would be

1126
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.960
<v Speaker 2>expected by chance, with significant results indicating a possible connection

1127
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:55.400
<v Speaker 2>between the dreamer's content and the cinder's image. You know,

1128
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I really should have swapped the order of these and

1129
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:02.199
<v Speaker 2>read this one first and the other one. But it's

1130
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 2>interesting to see how they were doing this back then.

1131
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

1132
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:09.559
<v Speaker 2>So, Another feature of this study was the significant statistical

1133
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.679
<v Speaker 2>success For example, in one of the experiments, the success

1134
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:15.840
<v Speaker 2>rate of the participants was calculated at one in one thousand,

1135
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:18.840
<v Speaker 2>with odds showing it was highly unlikely that these results

1136
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 2>were due to chance alone. The data from this research

1137
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 2>has been met with both praise and criticism. Yeah, I know,

1138
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.559
<v Speaker 2>whatever they always show both sides, particularly due to the

1139
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.079
<v Speaker 2>challenges of replication in other labs. Overall, the research suggests

1140
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:35.840
<v Speaker 2>that the phenomenon of telepathic communication during dreams is probable

1141
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 2>highly probable. The findings also sparked discussions about the broader

1142
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>implications of psychic phenomenon and how it relates to the mind, sleep, consciousness.

1143
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:48.360
<v Speaker 2>And that's very interesting that we started off the episode

1144
00:57:48.559 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 2>with the proof last month that they a month that

1145
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:54.880
<v Speaker 2>they did it, you know, like October twenty twenty four.

1146
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 1>That's groundbreaking, you know what?

1147
00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.199
<v Speaker 2>That reminds me of dream scenario with Nick cageh That

1148
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:03.119
<v Speaker 2>movie was spoiler alert, spoiler alert. It is a very

1149
00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:06.320
<v Speaker 2>good movie. If you're if you're like an inkling of

1150
00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.840
<v Speaker 2>a Nick Cage fan, go watch the movie. But it's

1151
00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 2>it reminds me of that because here's the spoiler. If

1152
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.320
<v Speaker 2>pause it now if you want to see the movie

1153
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:17.760
<v Speaker 2>without spoiler. But at the end, that's kind of where

1154
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.880
<v Speaker 2>it ends up, is they communicate in dreams. Yes, so

1155
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:23.400
<v Speaker 2>like the whole movie the world is having nightmares about him.

1156
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:25.639
<v Speaker 2>Starts off as good dreams, they're silly dreams. Then they

1157
00:58:25.679 --> 00:58:28.079
<v Speaker 2>turn into like literal nightmares. The whole world hates them whatever.

1158
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 2>And then in the end, after there's some sort of

1159
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 2>time skip. Uh, you see these ads where people are

1160
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 2>like selling these devices, remember, and they're giving like selling

1161
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:38.800
<v Speaker 2>products and dreams.

1162
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the the device was to like the ads, it was, well,

1163
00:58:44.400 --> 00:58:47.360
<v Speaker 1>the purpose of the device was to like block bad dreams.

1164
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And then they just like companies, right, companies started pumping

1165
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>it full.

1166
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Of ads, which is exactly what would happen if that

1167
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:56.599
<v Speaker 3>was a real and they're like filming commercials and then

1168
00:58:56.599 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 3>the commercials are getting like bean, you're right, Yeah, it

1169
00:58:58.440 --> 00:58:59.360
<v Speaker 3>was to block bad dreams.

1170
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then ads were getting beamed into their head.

1171
00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:06.119
<v Speaker 2>But then Nicholas Cato's character figures out the very very

1172
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 2>end of the movie, he figures out how to manipulate

1173
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:13.079
<v Speaker 2>that and send himself into his ex wife's dream and

1174
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:14.320
<v Speaker 2>remember he goes, I wish this.

1175
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Was for you. Yeah, and then it just like floats away.

1176
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 2>It's very sad, but very funny.

1177
00:59:19.719 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 1>I watched that movie again since we watched it. Yeah,

1178
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember who with, but God, I was really

1179
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:28.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've been on like the past couple of years,

1180
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:31.280
<v Speaker 1>like I've been hitting them Nick Cage movies. It was

1181
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 1>a while Yeah, there was a while where I was like, no,

1182
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 1>watch that one, No, I want to watch that one

1183
00:59:37.400 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 1>really bad. It's good, but like it's really the unbearable

1184
00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:44.119
<v Speaker 1>weight of massive talent. That movie was an amazing pig.

1185
00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:47.000
<v Speaker 1>That movie is incredible, like he's been hitting it with

1186
00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:50.800
<v Speaker 1>was like his comeback. Oh and the Color Out of Space.

1187
00:59:51.159 --> 00:59:54.719
<v Speaker 2>There's another one. It's It's the one that's like based

1188
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.559
<v Speaker 2>on what's that game Five Nights at Freddy's.

1189
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Yeah, yeah, it's It's and then and that one

1190
01:00:00.559 --> 01:00:04.199
<v Speaker 1>just came out. That Long Legs movie, which I heard

1191
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:05.480
<v Speaker 1>mixed things about.

1192
01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 2>I heard I personally loved that movie really, but I

1193
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:11.199
<v Speaker 2>mean it is like a horror film.

1194
01:00:11.519 --> 01:00:13.960
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty awesome. Yeah it is. It's fucking awesome. Yeah.

1195
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 1>I was like, yeah, Alex liked it. I think we

1196
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.920
<v Speaker 1>all liked it. I was pretty intrigued.

1197
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:21.800
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of that movie is very polarizing. It's

1198
01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 2>very like it's fifty percent people either.

1199
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Loved it or hated it. Yeah, that's what I was getting.

1200
01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 2>So I could tell you why, but it would spoil

1201
01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

1202
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.159
<v Speaker 1>So like after the movie, if.

1203
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.960
<v Speaker 2>You decide to watch it, but it's a creepy ass movie.

1204
01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:37.360
<v Speaker 1>It's just like I've seen clips from it, and like

1205
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:39.119
<v Speaker 1>his performance seems really cool.

1206
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Imagine like a much much scarier sounce of the Lambs.

1207
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay with the Devil. Yeah, I was with Nick Cage.

1208
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.519
<v Speaker 2>He's pigeonholed in my brain into being one character.

1209
01:00:51.840 --> 01:00:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Uh huh.

1210
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:57.400
<v Speaker 2>So I was very skeptical about his performance. Honestly incredible.

1211
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, the movie's vibe is on it. The dude's

1212
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a good actor, he really is.

1213
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.480
<v Speaker 2>And have you seen pig No, But I think he

1214
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:07.800
<v Speaker 2>got slept on for a long time because he got

1215
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.679
<v Speaker 2>pigeonholed into being one role he did.

1216
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's how I was feeling for a long time.

1217
01:01:12.360 --> 01:01:14.960
<v Speaker 1>And long Legs is fire. These last like five years,

1218
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.679
<v Speaker 1>he's just been just banger after banger.

1219
01:01:18.960 --> 01:01:20.519
<v Speaker 2>He must have got a new agent or something.

1220
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You know what I think it is.

1221
01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I think he was at the point of no return,

1222
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 2>like after like destroying his career and just being at

1223
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:32.679
<v Speaker 2>the complete rock bottom under success, especially with like Ghostwrider.

1224
01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:35.039
<v Speaker 2>I think Steale his fate. I think he just hit

1225
01:01:35.079 --> 01:01:35.480
<v Speaker 2>a point.

1226
01:01:35.320 --> 01:01:37.360
<v Speaker 1>Where he's like, whatever, I'm gonna do it.

1227
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna do it. And and I think I

1228
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.719
<v Speaker 2>think he just like didn't look back and just didn't care.

1229
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.400
<v Speaker 2>And he was such a meme at that point that

1230
01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I think he I think he got meaned back into

1231
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:48.519
<v Speaker 2>even more success.

1232
01:01:48.679 --> 01:01:51.400
<v Speaker 1>And he is also an actor who you can tell

1233
01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:56.760
<v Speaker 1>he is truly obsessed with acting and with like movie

1234
01:01:56.840 --> 01:01:59.880
<v Speaker 1>culture in general. He is so obsessed he's like a

1235
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:02.280
<v Speaker 1>savant when it comes to film, Like, yeah, he can

1236
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.239
<v Speaker 1>name anything about any film ever made, Like he's.

1237
01:02:05.719 --> 01:02:09.280
<v Speaker 2>So do you know who made Long Legs? Oz Perkins,

1238
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the son of Anthony Perkins, who is the original Norman

1239
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Bates and Psycho.

1240
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's crazy. I was just talking about that movie today.

1241
01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it is reminiscent a little bit of Psycho really.

1242
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:22.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like, you know, not based on it,

1243
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:27.559
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, Long Legs was fire like to me, it

1244
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.280
<v Speaker 2>was like damn near ten out of ten.

1245
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1246
01:02:30.239 --> 01:02:33.880
<v Speaker 2>But there's that other group that like they hate it.

1247
01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I've talked to some people who are like

1248
01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.480
<v Speaker 1>that movie was whack as fuck. Yeah.

1249
01:02:38.599 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, it's like, do those people do

1250
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.039
<v Speaker 2>they watch Nick Cage movies?

1251
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Right? That that's the other thing.

1252
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a Nick Cage movie, yes, And you gotta get

1253
01:02:47.960 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 2>Nick see here's the yes and here's the thing. Like

1254
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.320
<v Speaker 2>they didn't really show Nick Cage and the trailer. Yeah,

1255
01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:55.639
<v Speaker 2>so people are thinking it's like, oh, he's just in it.

1256
01:02:56.119 --> 01:02:59.199
<v Speaker 1>Nah, dude, he's like full prosthetic, Like yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's it's a Nick Cage movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, I want to watch it. The performance

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<v Speaker 1>seems really awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I like how we just like started talking about Nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk about Nick Cage all day.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm obsessed with Nick cag He's awesome. I saw a

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<v Speaker 2>video the other day where he said there's been five

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<v Speaker 2>movies in his entire career that when he was handed

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<v Speaker 2>a script, five movies ever where he said, this is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to change a single thing. I will

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<v Speaker 2>do the role exactly as you gave it to me

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<v Speaker 2>and not question it whatsoever. And one of those four

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<v Speaker 2>of them I had never heard of. The fifth one

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<v Speaker 2>was dream Scenario. He said it was perfect, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best scripts he's ever seen in his life.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, Look, I know we spoiled it, And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>still listening and still interested, just watch the trailer. The

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<v Speaker 1>trailer alone. As soon as I saw it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to watch this right now, because the premise

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<v Speaker 1>is insane. The whole world starts dreaming about him, and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's walking around and people are like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I know I saw you in my dream, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they all start getting terrified of him, and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck is.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the up Nightmares?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that movie was wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, last thing I'll say about Long Legs right

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<v Speaker 2>because I really was taken aback by that movie. As

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<v Speaker 2>far as horror film goes, there's like certain different metrics

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<v Speaker 2>to me after seeing close to two hundred of them,

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty of them at least at this point,

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<v Speaker 2>where like there's a certain metric for Okay, is the

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<v Speaker 2>vibe good? Is is it actually scary or not? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I can live with that, but there is like a

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<v Speaker 2>that's a factor, you know, the plot, YadA, YadA, YadA.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as vibe goes, Long Legs is a ten,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's what I care about them in the horror space,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the vibe is perfect. It's just one of those movies.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like like Hereditary or like this movie The Void,

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<v Speaker 2>which maybe maybe you would like. It's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best love crafty and horror films ever made. The vibe

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<v Speaker 2>is just a and it's not many movies you come

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<v Speaker 2>across with that kind of vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's vibe is the most important thing. I've like

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<v Speaker 1>told people before, like a movie could be a six

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01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.719
<v Speaker 1>or seven on everything else, but if the vibe is

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<v Speaker 1>a ten out of ten, oh, I'm gonna be obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with Yeah, like that's all. It's all about the vibe

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Same here, same here for the most part. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, that's a wrap. That's all the studies

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go crack some packs. Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll take a short break. That's what I was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say, crack a couple of packs. I had fun

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<v Speaker 2>talking about psychic stuff. It's always a blast. And I

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01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.760
<v Speaker 2>really had fun taking a detour about Nick Cage at

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<v Speaker 2>the end. I didn't expect that.

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01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:42.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he pops up in the most unexpected places.

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<v Speaker 2>You gotta watch Mandy, dude.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been wanting to watch it for years. That

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01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.320
<v Speaker 1>movie is like a fever drink. Since before I even

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01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:50.800
<v Speaker 1>saw The Color, I keep wanting to call it the color.

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01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:54.679
<v Speaker 2>It was his comeback. Yeah, it was literally his comeback.

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01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm gonna peep that.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, something I do want to say. You guys

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01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:01.960
<v Speaker 2>have probably notice we have a new outro. That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just realized that we never mentioned on there

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01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that you get early access to our episodes on Patreon

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01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.800
<v Speaker 2>and ad free. So that's just an extra perk of

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01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:15.079
<v Speaker 2>our Patreon. I thought i'd throw that in there. Two

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<v Speaker 2>days early, no ads. So if you want to see

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01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:21.599
<v Speaker 2>these apps a little early and you hate the ads,

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<v Speaker 2>give us some support on patreon dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Slash bloods esays.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know what if that if the Patreon is

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<v Speaker 2>too much and it's not something that you are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to do, thank you very much for tolerating the ads.

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01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Just listening to the show supports us. And either way,

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01:06:36.280 --> 01:06:38.079
<v Speaker 2>just being a part of our little family here and

1339
01:06:38.199 --> 01:06:39.840
<v Speaker 2>just sitting in the room with us and just watching

1340
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:43.599
<v Speaker 2>us shoot the breeze about Mandy snapping Demon next and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, dream sneerio whatever, it helps us out and

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<v Speaker 2>it fuels our dreams. So thank you. And that's all

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say. Let's crack some packs.

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