Speaker 1: Weird things happened in the back. Weird, weird, weird. Wow.
Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. We just spent like the last forty five
Speaker 2: minutes playing Pokemon cards. Yeah, Alex and I could feel
Speaker 2: the brain rot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah we did. I did not expect Alex to
Speaker 1: get into it, but he did.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got what did you say? I got
Speaker 2: three wonder picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're like trying to get set up to do
Speaker 1: the show. I'm just sitting here waiting and Alex is
Speaker 1: sitting over there like I got three wonder picks left.
Speaker 1: Let me do it real quick.
Speaker 2: I said, Alex, have you ever played Pokemon or like
Speaker 2: seen the show ever? He's like no, Yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful thing, man, It's a beautiful I got a really
Speaker 2: cool looking monsters and monsters and monsters. I love it, dude,
Speaker 2: I love it. From now on, BSS beef will be
Speaker 2: settled through Pokemon cards.
Speaker 1: Absolutely Pokemon battles only.
Speaker 3: So so welcome to spirit science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was about, a segue into sort
Speaker 2: of a heavier topic. I thought it would be cool
Speaker 2: if we just had like a broader conversation about the
Speaker 2: idea of like psychic abilities, like like a very general,
Speaker 2: you know, not like specifically focused on one area.
Speaker 1: But psychic type in Pokemon. Yeah, just trant to put
Speaker 1: that out there, you know, it's funny. So there was
Speaker 1: the whole like wave of like churches being like pokemonster
Speaker 1: devil and whatever and every My parents always said like
Speaker 1: I'd be like, well, why is it evil? And my
Speaker 1: Dad's like, because they're psychic Pokemon, is it? I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's where that's where it's all coming from. That's where
Speaker 1: you draw the line. They play with tarot cards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no they don't.
Speaker 2: Dad, the psychic Pokemon do one of them? Because am
Speaker 2: doboon he has a pendulum too?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Who has the pendulum? Hypnos or hypno?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right yeah?
Speaker 2: And then he does spin spoons. Actually yeah he does.
Speaker 2: He went, that's my first introduction to anyone ever beening
Speaker 2: spoons was that Pokemon. So maybe they're onto something.
Speaker 1: They are bro.
Speaker 2: Maybe it is anti Christian.
Speaker 1: I don't that's the what we were supposed to glean from,
Speaker 1: you know what. Okay, maybe they are maybe, I mean,
Speaker 1: maybe they are BRO stands for pocket monsters. Pocket that's right,
Speaker 1: you got a monster in your pocket?
Speaker 2: Is my post? My pastor? My pastor said pocket demons,
Speaker 2: as he said.
Speaker 1: That pocket devils a few years ago.
Speaker 2: Is that pocket demons? But anyway, enough of the pocket demons.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to get into a discussion of like
Speaker 2: psychic abilities. Is there any uh, you know, evidence out
Speaker 2: there of some sort of esp phenomenon. Now I want
Speaker 2: to do a disclaimer. Okay, we just had multiple MINROSA
Speaker 2: two trainers. We just did a three part series on
Speaker 2: going to the Monroe Institute. I've been there. Maybe by
Speaker 2: the time this airs, you guys will have had your retreat.
Speaker 2: If not, it's in a week or two. I just
Speaker 2: wanted to go ahead and come out the gate and
Speaker 2: say that I think it would be too easy if
Speaker 2: we sat here and just talked about Monroe's two studies though. Sure,
Speaker 2: so I actually didn't go into theirs.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know, yeah, because we've been covering in a
Speaker 1: lot lately. Well, it's obvious that they are kind of
Speaker 1: leading the charge in the scientific preace exactly, proving that's
Speaker 1: where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2: Psychic ability, not that I don't want to talk about,
Speaker 2: of course, I always want to talk about Monroe and
Speaker 2: and it will end up that way A little bit
Speaker 2: towards the end, But my whole point is I wanted
Speaker 2: to dig a little deeper and see if there were
Speaker 2: other avenues where there were scientific studies being done outside
Speaker 2: of like what they're doing, because what they're doing is
Speaker 2: like this this mount Olympus of research for you know,
Speaker 2: I mean literally like the CIA was studying their program,
Speaker 2: which is you know what I was kind of going
Speaker 2: to talk about a little bit at the end. So
Speaker 2: that's my whole point is to say that there are
Speaker 2: other areas of research that I dove into that have
Speaker 2: nothing to do with them at all, that are different
Speaker 2: studies entirely that some of them I never heard of.
Speaker 2: Some of them obviously I've heard of, which is why
Speaker 2: I looked into them. Pretty fascinating stuff.
Speaker 1: Very much. So I would say, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I guess if you guys want, we can just jump
Speaker 2: right into it. Yeah, but let's go with our first study.
Speaker 2: Let me pull it up.
Speaker 1: How far back you going for this one?
Speaker 2: For this one, I don't think it's that far back.
Speaker 2: But some of them go back to like the seventies
Speaker 2: and eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know way back then, like the CIA
Speaker 1: were some of the first people to publicly be well,
Speaker 1: they weren't public at the time about it, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: later on it was revealed that they were studying a
Speaker 1: lot of this stuff with like the.
Speaker 2: They were studying since like the eighties at least, I.
Speaker 1: Always forget the name of the men who Steric Goods Projects,
Speaker 1: Stargate Stargate. How could I forget it? And then of
Speaker 1: course like mk Ultra had some some of that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff too, like and that was the sixties. U. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it goes back. Oh, yeah, Ceia been trying to
Speaker 1: get their hands on some psychic Pokemon for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably been Spoon's honestly, because in the nineties
Speaker 2: they saw the popular anime, so they were like, there's
Speaker 2: something too there is they knew it got to be
Speaker 2: something demons, but no, like and if we wanted to
Speaker 2: be a little more general, we could say that like
Speaker 2: this whole renaissance of like you could say psychic material
Speaker 2: really started kind of coming to the surface in the
Speaker 2: late eighteen hundreds, because in the late eighteen hundreds you
Speaker 2: had stuff like Rudolph Steiner, you had obviously Helena Bolovotsky.
Speaker 2: That's a big one that we've covered on the show
Speaker 2: multiple different episodes. We've talked about her in a lot
Speaker 2: of length, but she's all in, Like her whole premise
Speaker 2: is like kind of Actually I've been reading I'm almost
Speaker 2: done with the second Bob and roebook, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the kind of sessions that he's having reminds me
Speaker 2: of like the awesome fee the Blovotsky stuff. Yeah, not
Speaker 2: that the material is necessarily the same, but like the
Speaker 2: method of like communication, so it's just very fascinating, like
Speaker 2: seeing how there's correlations there.
Speaker 1: Because theosophy also has like a very scientific method and approach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to the way that they break down the data.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like definitely an attitude the.
Speaker 1: Way that they compile and break down the data. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a very like scientific.
Speaker 2: Like aw Coms Razor and Obs like, Yeah, I completely agree.
Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying is like this whole idea
Speaker 2: of psychic phenomenon really started unfolding, I think like in
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds and then in the early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 2: and then you had people come around like Edgar Casey,
Speaker 2: Levi H. Dowling and there's others that. God, what's he's
Speaker 2: really popular right now? Nevil Goddard. Nevile Goddard is a
Speaker 2: big one right now, even though he died like a
Speaker 2: long time ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Jimmy Neutron named his dog after Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think the real goddard that he's named
Speaker 2: after was a NASA's scientist or like a rocket scientist
Speaker 2: or something. You think it's never got her.
Speaker 1: The mystic for sure. The guy that talks about Jesustron,
Speaker 1: I haven't signed information.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Jimmy Neutron is a mystic man. He would
Speaker 2: take a miracle like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, Yeah, thank you. I'm with you. Okay,
Speaker 1: he gets it. Alex also has inside information. He's been
Speaker 1: talking to Sheen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she is it Sheen? Yeah, it is she
Speaker 2: It's not Shane. Yeah, and she like he has the
Speaker 2: whole superhero thing going on.
Speaker 1: So he sas like Bible Man. Yeah. Do you remember
Speaker 1: Bible Man with the purple and the lightsaber. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: like Sheen.
Speaker 2: What's what's Sheen's superhero name?
Speaker 1: L Yeah, I was gonna say Ultra Man, but yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it's Ultra Lord. Ultra Man is that popular Japanese
Speaker 2: show from the sixties.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So my point is this stuff goes way back.
Speaker 2: The sidekicks stuff and It's just really fascinating to see
Speaker 2: how I gets unfolded over the last hundred years. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: I'll never forget being a kid and turning on Ghostbusters
Speaker 2: for the first time when I'm like nine years old
Speaker 2: something like that. And you know the beginning of the movie, Oh,
Speaker 2: he's pulled up Ultra Lord. Yeah, and the beginning of Ghostbusters, Like,
Speaker 2: the beginning of it is literally I just said the
Speaker 2: beginning twice, but the start of it is literally they're
Speaker 2: sitting there looking at the cards.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the tarot cards? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, not tarot cards. Have you seen their og Ghostbusters? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're like doing an esp study.
Speaker 1: They weren't tarot cards.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they were just like little stars and triangles
Speaker 2: and shapes and they're trying to like read on the
Speaker 2: other side of the card and like pick up psychic phenomenon.
Speaker 2: So like it's just craz And that was in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So that's my point is that the fascination in this
Speaker 2: subject goes back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, bro, when was Miss Cleo doing her things.
Speaker 1: That was back in the seventies for sure. Not sure
Speaker 1: it goes back, yeah, but that was all the age
Speaker 1: of a querity that you know, they're Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: One hundred you know, call miss Cleo.
Speaker 1: Was Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyway, let's get into it. This is actually we
Speaker 2: recently touched on this. It's the one where they proved.
Speaker 2: It was only last month where they communicated through dreams.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wanted to talk about this on the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so technically that's ESP for sure, that's psychic phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so they proved so basically, two people were
Speaker 2: able to communicate through lucid dreams for the first time.
Speaker 2: One participant was asked to focus on a specific message
Speaker 2: while in a lucid dream. The second participant, also in
Speaker 2: a lucid dream, confirmed receiving the message. The communication was
Speaker 2: real time, facilitated by a wearable device that monitored sleep
Speaker 2: stages and a feedback system. The results demonstrated a complete
Speaker 2: successful communication between the two dreamers, marking a significant step
Speaker 2: forward and studying inter dream communication. I'd be curious to
Speaker 2: know a little bit more about actually, because I remember
Speaker 2: us talking about how they had like a dream language
Speaker 2: that they developed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that too, So this is saying that
Speaker 1: they hooked them up to like instruments and monitored their
Speaker 1: brain waves and stuff. Yeah, and that's how they determined
Speaker 1: that they communicated in the dream.
Speaker 2: So they created a language called rimio. I think it's
Speaker 2: just arbitrary, like they just made it up. It's a
Speaker 2: special dream language detected by sensors.
Speaker 1: The oh I see, so I see.
Speaker 2: What they did is they use special equipment to basically
Speaker 2: monitor the different phenomenon that happens during rim sleep, from
Speaker 2: solving physiological problems to oh no, no, I'm sorry. The
Speaker 2: applications of this are solving physiological problems, learning their skills,
Speaker 2: so maybe like learning problems in your sleep.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's very interesting. That is very fascinating. I want to
Speaker 2: see a little bit more about how they received the message.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because this was one of the things we're already
Speaker 1: talking about Monroe. This is one of the things that
Speaker 1: Emily's like original story about Monroe that really blew my mind,
Speaker 1: where they were like communicating to each other in their dreams.
Speaker 1: Like that's something that and then you hear about it
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: We're all doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And remember remember in ted Lasso, he was like,
Speaker 1: if you see me in your dreams.
Speaker 2: Like like you know in the first episode.
Speaker 1: It's something I've always been curious about, like because I
Speaker 1: don't know. We've talked about the idea that like maybe
Speaker 1: the dream world is a place, and I just like
Speaker 1: want to explore that.
Speaker 2: So I had a really interesting dream situation happened recently.
Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna be very cryptic in the
Speaker 2: I'm trying to preserve the identity of people here because
Speaker 2: it's a very touchy subject. But I have a lot
Speaker 2: of cousins, okay, and you guys were actually in here
Speaker 2: when I answered the phone and received the news about
Speaker 2: this cousin, right, yea, the g og. So anyway, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to all right, let me tell this story correctly.
Speaker 2: So it was like Sunday night or something. Sunday night,
Speaker 2: I had a dream about this cousin, Like this cousin
Speaker 2: was in my dream, and I don't remember what happened exactly,
Speaker 2: but I remember waking up and feeling like I needed
Speaker 2: to reach out to them, and I did it, but
Speaker 2: my first time.
Speaker 1: Get it together there, I'm sorry, man, this is serious story.
Speaker 1: I know you did it. I know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, I want to hear about it. So I
Speaker 2: had the dream. They were in the dream.
Speaker 1: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I can't remember interacting with them in the dream, but
Speaker 2: I woke up with this feeling of I need to
Speaker 2: reach out to this person.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Okay, so you don't remember what happened in
Speaker 1: the dream.
Speaker 2: No, but I know they were there. I saw them.
Speaker 2: You had the impression that maybe they were in trouble
Speaker 2: or something not in the dream. But I woke up immediately,
Speaker 2: Like my first thought waking up was I need to
Speaker 2: reach out to that person. And I ignored it. I
Speaker 2: was like, that's weird. I never did it.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: I hardly talked to them. I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 2: They have a life, have kids, Like Jenny taught me this.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to cut you off, but I'm getting serious now.
Speaker 1: Well, I've learned a lesson.
Speaker 2: But Jenny taught me this actually something she told me
Speaker 2: years ago. She said, if you ever have someone on
Speaker 2: your mind and you feel like maybe you should reach
Speaker 2: out to them.
Speaker 1: You should. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I learned this lesson right because I'm sitting in
Speaker 2: the studio and with you guys that Wednesday and get
Speaker 2: a phone call from another one of my cousins who
Speaker 2: shared the news. Very traumatic thing happened to my cousin
Speaker 2: in my dream around the time that they showed up
Speaker 2: in my dream.
Speaker 1: That was the same person that you got the call about.
Speaker 2: Yes, that you had the dream about day.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Wow, So you didn't tell us that in the moment. No,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I remembered on the way home from podcast
Speaker 2: and I told Ryan the next day. But I forgot
Speaker 2: to tell you Nick. I don't think you did tell
Speaker 2: me for real. I feel like I would have remembered
Speaker 2: that then I forgot to tell both of you guys.
Speaker 2: So they were in my dream. I declined the gut
Speaker 2: feeling of reaching out to them, like I woke up
Speaker 2: like I need to read and it was just a hey,
Speaker 2: thinking about you love you ye, that kind of thing,
Speaker 2: Like that's what I would have reached out with. Sure,
Speaker 2: And ended up reaching out the next day after finding
Speaker 2: out about the news, and the news broke to the
Speaker 2: family and coincidentally, they just responded to me today right
Speaker 2: before we came up here.
Speaker 1: Wow. So that is nuts, man, that's some straight up
Speaker 1: dream communication. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I remember, like, you know, I want to get
Speaker 2: my dad on here eventually, but come on, dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, let's do it.
Speaker 2: When I mean, I had an uncle who was in
Speaker 2: the hospital. This is years ago, and my dad had
Speaker 2: a dream the night that he passed away where he
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna be all right, Like came to
Speaker 2: him in the dream said he was gonna be okay.
Speaker 2: And then the next day he found out he passed away.
Speaker 1: Wow. So, and I mean, this is.
Speaker 2: Not uncommon, you know what I mean, I hear about it.
Speaker 2: I could think of a handful of people I've met
Speaker 2: in my life who've had a similar situation. I had
Speaker 2: a moment like that when I was eighteen my great
Speaker 2: aunt died. Do you remember my my mema sister. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's an older sister and she was like always, we
Speaker 2: were just really close. She died when I was eighteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, Matt, Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So those out there listening, yes, we are that southern
Speaker 2: family that has all these memals and Pap Paul's.
Speaker 1: Or my grandma's name is Grandmammy.
Speaker 2: Don't you have a mema your mom's mom?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's grandmammy to me. To the young siblings,
Speaker 1: she's me ma, right, But to me and my brother
Speaker 1: and sister. In our generation of the kids, she's grandmommy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well on my mom's side, I got my
Speaker 2: mem Yea and then her her older sister was me Matt.
Speaker 2: But the way that started was her name was Madeline,
Speaker 2: uh huh, so you know, somewhere along the line she
Speaker 2: became me Matt by one of the older cousins when
Speaker 2: they were like a or something. But anyway, I was
Speaker 2: really close with her. She was like eighty nine when
Speaker 2: she died, eighty six actually, and she was really sick
Speaker 2: and really frail, and she had a stroke, like I
Speaker 2: don't know, less than six months before she died, and
Speaker 2: the stroke made her like pretty much paralyzed, like not paralyzed.
Speaker 1: But you know what strokes do.
Speaker 2: They make you just kind of a mobile and like
Speaker 2: half of your you know, your body SAgs, and she
Speaker 2: just couldn't really talk anymore, like she didn't have the
Speaker 2: the faculties to really like communicate. She was already old
Speaker 2: and frail. She had osteoporosis, so she was bed ridden.
Speaker 2: I mean her bones would break over and over and
Speaker 2: it was just like a really pitiful sight and she
Speaker 2: was just going downhill really fast. And I was a
Speaker 2: freshman in college, and I remember just being this dumb
Speaker 2: college kid. I mean, I'm in college for like three
Speaker 2: or four months at this point, trying to get away
Speaker 2: and you know, grow up or whatever, and not really
Speaker 2: making an effort to go see her in the previous
Speaker 2: three or four months, and she was getting to the
Speaker 2: point where she was basically on the verge of death.
Speaker 2: And it was like weeks and weeks she was in
Speaker 2: the hospital, I guess, waiting to die, but she was
Speaker 2: waiting for me, and she was like she was not catatonic,
Speaker 2: she was not like she was not brain dead, but
Speaker 2: she was. She was just like gave up the will
Speaker 2: to live. So she just sat in bed for weeks
Speaker 2: and like didn't really make a peep or a sound.
Speaker 2: And on a Saturday, I went into the nursing home
Speaker 2: to see her, and she kinda sat up a little
Speaker 2: bit and she her eyes got really wide and she
Speaker 2: was like like she saw me and she was excited
Speaker 2: to see me. And she passed away like two days later.
Speaker 1: I had a dream.
Speaker 2: I had a dream where I was in the room
Speaker 2: and I saw that moment when she sat up and
Speaker 2: she made a sound at me and her eyes got wide,
Speaker 2: you know, and in that moment that she did that.
Speaker 2: I saw her above her like I saw her spirit
Speaker 2: above her body, and she looked down at me and
Speaker 2: she said, I'm gonna be waiting for you on the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 1: Like it's okay. I think I remember that dream, and.
Speaker 2: I got the sense that I got the sense that
Speaker 2: like maybe that's what she was trying something along those lines,
Speaker 2: like maybe she was trying to tell me something. But
Speaker 2: she was happy to see me, really relieved to see me,
Speaker 2: and she finally like let go and gave up, you know,
Speaker 2: the desire to live and she died days later.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But then you know, a week or so later, that
Speaker 2: came to me in a dream and I was just floored, like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Like I think she really tried to
Speaker 2: say that to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this appears to be one of the most common
Speaker 1: of these like psychic phenomena that people that happens to people.
Speaker 1: It just kind of like happens passively to people. It
Speaker 1: just happens. Yeah, there's a lot, Like Alex said, there's
Speaker 1: like no shortage of stories of these like communications and
Speaker 1: dreams kind of scenarios.
Speaker 2: And then there's another crazy story that won't be nearly
Speaker 2: as long. But so my memhi hasn't. She's the last
Speaker 2: living sibling out of like ten And anyway, so she
Speaker 2: had this older brother, ap who passed away about four
Speaker 2: years ago. It was her last sibling. My mom was
Speaker 2: in the room. She saw his spirit leave his body
Speaker 2: and go out the window. When he died, gave his
Speaker 2: last breath, and his spirit left his body and just
Speaker 2: flew out the window. Dude, you know my mom, she's
Speaker 2: like the most skeptical person on earth.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't be making that.
Speaker 2: Shut up.
Speaker 1: No, are you kidding me? No? No, no, no, not
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But anyway, so moving on from the dream communication,
Speaker 2: I thought that was a fun one, a little short one,
Speaker 2: and we had just talked about that one ARKI was yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Now this is a fascinating one. Now I'm not particularly
Speaker 2: involved with the Rhine Research Center, but there is a
Speaker 2: history there, so we're let's get into the Rhine. The
Speaker 2: Rhine is when you think of the realm of parapsychology,
Speaker 2: which was really emerging in the nineteen fifties. What are
Speaker 2: you cringing at, Alex, You.
Speaker 1: Pull a bad pack? Could you pull a bad pack?
Speaker 2: Come on show it?
Speaker 1: No, I thought I was gonna get more hour glasses
Speaker 1: from my money. What'd you pull? Nothing? I didn't pull
Speaker 1: it up. Hold up, I gotta I gotta say this.
Speaker 1: Before we started, I said, ales gonna be playing while
Speaker 1: re recording. He said absolutely. It's been twenty minute. We're
Speaker 1: twenty minutes in. It's playing.
Speaker 2: He said absolutely. I mean, I don't care if you play,
Speaker 2: but if you pull something good.
Speaker 1: I didn't play, Okay. I tried to play and then
Speaker 1: said no, I do two tickets for two for one
Speaker 1: hour glasses ridiculous. Said I didn't. I didn't play, man,
Speaker 1: I was just pulling packs. You gotta you go. I
Speaker 1: didn't a battle. You got a battle to get the
Speaker 1: hour glasses. Yeah, I know I'm not going to battle
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I want to switch cameras correctly, right and
Speaker 2: put all of my energy into show.
Speaker 1: That would be nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't have the hour glass energy to
Speaker 2: put in the pulling backs. You gotta put your energy
Speaker 2: to the show. We are a live man. Bro.
Speaker 1: He's got called out from the class. Hey, I love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. He pulled something good. You better
Speaker 1: show us. Yeah, I can't pull I got no money.
Speaker 2: Dude, who in their right mind would complain about this
Speaker 2: man pulling Pokemon peck not me. Yeah, that's that's the wrong.
Speaker 1: Priory'd be like if he was over there watching the
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings, I know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I told you, I tried again right on the way
Speaker 1: to France.
Speaker 2: No, And that's that's such a mistake. Man, You're in
Speaker 2: a small airplace.
Speaker 1: That's the worst place to try. That's what I said.
Speaker 1: That's not the worst place. It's a three hour movie.
Speaker 1: Me the fourth time I've got you need to watch
Speaker 1: it with us. Us. My birthday gift from you to
Speaker 1: me next year is going to be watching Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings with me. We'll see. I'll just say something.
Speaker 2: Like that crack in his voice there. Yeah, but we
Speaker 2: can watch some Lord of the Rings dogs. You're gonna
Speaker 2: love it. Come on, man, you know it's funny. He
Speaker 2: never even made it past the part where they're doing
Speaker 2: like the whole Fellowship of the Ring part, Like he's.
Speaker 1: That's halfway through the movie. Dude. I have seen his
Speaker 1: birthday party four times. Yeah, you're never watching more than
Speaker 1: a half hour. That's like the setup part. That's what
Speaker 1: I've been nothing even happens.
Speaker 2: That's what I've been telling him, Like, you have not
Speaker 2: even seen any of the ship.
Speaker 1: Pass, bro. He take one look at Agrn. He's in.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be saying.
Speaker 2: He is Ara Gorn.
Speaker 1: It's literally like his archetype. Yeah, like it's his.
Speaker 2: Anyway, enough about that, I get rid of dude. You
Speaker 2: at least got to finish the first movie, dude, Come on.
Speaker 2: So back to the Rhine Center in the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: when parapsychology was like an emerging field. It was actually
Speaker 2: primarily started by JB. Rhyan, which is just the name
Speaker 2: of the guy who was like into parapsychology, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, the study of esp psychic phenomenon, the paranormal,
Speaker 2: the occult, whatever, the mystical and and blending them with
Speaker 2: like a scientific lens and out.
Speaker 1: It was based out of Duke.
Speaker 2: Actually it still is. I don't think it's any more
Speaker 2: like officially connected to Duke. I think they split and
Speaker 2: became more or less like and now this is just
Speaker 2: me talking out of my head here, like I don't
Speaker 2: know these people that well, but I do know them
Speaker 2: and they're very nice people. Anyway, So it used to
Speaker 2: be officially a part of Duke. Their address is like
Speaker 2: literally Durham.
Speaker 1: It's just like flight. We taken credit for that forever,
Speaker 1: North Carolina take.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, plus parapsychology, right, That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And anyway, so now they're like they're like a lot
Speaker 2: of Duke associates will will work for the Rhine. But
Speaker 2: my whole point is, I just don't think it's officially
Speaker 2: entangled with the university anymore, you know, but they hold
Speaker 2: the whole events on Duke's campus. I've been to some
Speaker 2: of them. They hold PEG, which is like the I
Speaker 2: think it's the Psychic Experiencers Group every day. I've actually
Speaker 2: been invited to that before. No, ship, I don't know
Speaker 2: if cool. You guys remember doctor Larry Burke.
Speaker 1: Larry, it's been a guest of our absolutely.
Speaker 2: He's involved with the rhyine many years ago, Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a Duke professor.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, yes, it's coming back to me.
Speaker 2: It's been a while, yeah, of course, but no, I
Speaker 2: was just with Larry last weekend at my friend Hukkeem's event.
Speaker 2: A remember I went Tolle that's for my buddy Huqum
Speaker 2: Larry and his wife went and they were like vendors there.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, had like a booth and a whole
Speaker 2: like teaching seminar thing that's sick. But anyway, so the
Speaker 2: Rhine is very cool. They're kind of like the Monroe
Speaker 2: Institute in the sense that they do like their own
Speaker 2: independent scientific studies.
Speaker 1: Of the paranormal.
Speaker 2: But where Monroe is more like an institute dedicated to
Speaker 2: like teaching them.
Speaker 1: It's like a school.
Speaker 2: Uh, the Rhine Institute is more like if you could
Speaker 2: imagine where Monroe is a school, Monroe's like a spiritual school. Right.
Speaker 1: Ryane is like a lab. It's like a lab.
Speaker 2: It's purely like a lab, like it's in my yeah moments,
Speaker 2: scientific publications research. They have all these fancy machines, photon
Speaker 2: machines and all this crazy stuff. So anyway, I had
Speaker 2: to kind of set the stage for the Rhine Research
Speaker 2: Center a center so enter you can, you know you can.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you could grip my center, my heart.
Speaker 1: He's about a drop heat and you know it.
Speaker 2: My heart center. Of course you can grit my heart.
Speaker 2: So can our minds emit light at a distance? A
Speaker 2: pre registered confirmatory experiment of mental entanglement with a photo multiplier.
Speaker 2: So what they did is at the Rhine Institute, they
Speaker 2: hypothesized that human intention might generate photon emissions detectable by
Speaker 2: sensitive photo multiplier tube at a distance. Participants usually impairs
Speaker 2: focus intently on sending light while the photo multiplier measured
Speaker 2: photon counts for any corresponding fluctuations. The findings revealed slight
Speaker 2: increases in photon counts during periods of focused intent, hinting
Speaker 2: at a potential mind to light interaction.
Speaker 1: We talked about this exact experiment, I think on another
Speaker 1: frequency Spirit science maybe we talked about this exactly. Was
Speaker 1: it that or was it on Larry Birk's talking about rhyme?
Speaker 1: That's exactly what you're right, Yeah, because he was talking
Speaker 1: about the dark room that they set them. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're exactly that's right. Didn't He also talked about the.
Speaker 2: Room that was the quietest room in the world and
Speaker 2: how observed the sound that the human body make. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because they're measuring like bio energy, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they they had they had repeatable excess success with
Speaker 2: where like they would be able to get these sensors
Speaker 2: to show like significant results by people trying to send
Speaker 2: light to these sensors. So that begs the question like
Speaker 2: bioenergy can we manipulate or by bio energy? This seems
Speaker 2: to suggest yes, the findings it's subtle, so they had
Speaker 2: significant results. But if you think of significant results, like
Speaker 2: let's say, you know, scale is one hundred, and for
Speaker 2: it to be considered significant results, you know, the minimum
Speaker 2: is like, I don't know, fifteen percent out of one
Speaker 2: hundred or something. They had that minimum statistical significance.
Speaker 1: So bro, I think if you send a single photon
Speaker 1: out of your brain, yeah, yeah we can. That's a
Speaker 1: starting point and that just means that it is only
Speaker 1: up to go from there. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: But the point is they're very like, they're very stringent
Speaker 2: with you know, making a bold claim. So they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is their attitude about this is like,
Speaker 2: this is real, this is provable, this is repeatable. We
Speaker 2: need more research, we need more data. It's very subtle results.
Speaker 2: We want to get better data, more data.
Speaker 1: That is a true scientific approach. It's got to be
Speaker 1: repeatable for it to be like science, fact has to
Speaker 1: be replicatable, replicatable in the same conditions over and over
Speaker 1: other people and peer reviewed and shit like that, and
Speaker 1: but then to to remit, like maintain the agnosticism, to say, like,
Speaker 1: we did it, but we're waiting on more data.
Speaker 2: That's this is a published paper. Yeah, Like they actually
Speaker 2: publish their papers, like they have like PhDs. Some of
Speaker 2: them Duke professors some of that' I don't know all
Speaker 2: of them like that. I can't claim that they're obviously
Speaker 2: not all duke professors, but I know Larry. Larry is
Speaker 2: a literal Duke professor. But they they like take it
Speaker 2: really seriously, and they like, you know, they they publish
Speaker 2: their data. It's like public knowledge. You go to their website,
Speaker 2: can our minds emit light at the distance they have
Speaker 2: all the charts to grass on research dot gate, research
Speaker 2: gate dot net or whatever. John Kruth, you see one
Speaker 2: of the participate or rather one of the researchers in
Speaker 2: the experiment. That's the president of the Rhyin.
Speaker 1: We know that guy.
Speaker 2: He's a friend of my dad's. He's a very nice guy,
Speaker 2: and I think he's like the editor for the Parapsychology
Speaker 2: magazine out of the Rhine Research Institute. So my whole
Speaker 2: point is to say that, like, these are very cool people.
Speaker 2: They're doing very cool work, real data of psychic phenomenon
Speaker 2: the gansfield experience. Does you have thoughts from.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're sending light out of your brain,
Speaker 1: that's definitely psychic abilities.
Speaker 2: They do other stuff too, that's not like necessarily research papers,
Speaker 2: like they do the thing with the cards, like reading
Speaker 2: you know, the back of the cards like in the
Speaker 2: Ghostbusters movie. They have like this group where they get
Speaker 2: together every Tuesday. Like I said, it's the PEG, the
Speaker 2: Psychic Experiencers Group, and they have like open forum discussions
Speaker 2: about their psychic phenomenon that they experience, dream interpretations they do.
Speaker 2: They do more like psychokinetic type stuff. So technically that's
Speaker 2: psychokinesis m because you have you think they're manipulating a
Speaker 2: physical sensor. Yeah, so they're actually using their mind sending
Speaker 2: some sort of photon of light whatever. The phenomenon is
Speaker 2: that you visualize it in your brain and you're getting
Speaker 2: a machine to light up. That's manipulating matter, that's manipulating
Speaker 2: physical reality.
Speaker 1: So that falls under the mind right, So nuts, So.
Speaker 2: That technically falls under the category of psychoesis psychoconesis yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Bad ass, dude, Yeah, very cool. I'll turn into
Speaker 1: Cyclops and just start shooting lasers my eyes.
Speaker 2: I think psychoconesis I think like Gene Gray. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Cyclops is like laser vision. I think of that dude
Speaker 2: from Avatar, which one the guy in that shoots the
Speaker 2: beam out of ports?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the third iby.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, from Korra right, No, that's from the OgH
Speaker 2: He's in the fire Nation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cyclops.
Speaker 2: I've also been sitting here thinking about our our little
Speaker 2: the first time me and you tried to do psychic
Speaker 2: viewing remote you know, I just threw that away last week.
Speaker 1: I still have mine somewhere.
Speaker 2: I just have so much paperwork on my desk.
Speaker 1: I was doing remote viewing without me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was when Amy was here.
Speaker 1: Oh oh cool.
Speaker 2: And we recorded with Amy and then you went home
Speaker 2: and we did full disclosure that night. And then after
Speaker 2: full Disclosure, it's probably like midnight or something, we went
Speaker 2: downstairs and we worked on remote viewing with Amy.
Speaker 1: And we actually got hits. We really did, yeah, three
Speaker 1: of them. We should do it tonight. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do we have time tonight? Maybe it'll be cooler.
Speaker 2: Here's an idea, because we have to record two episodes. Tonight.
Speaker 2: I think it'd be cooler if on an upcoming episode
Speaker 2: we did it on the show. You know what I'm saying. Yes,
Speaker 2: we could record the in that way we're teaching people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that's a good that's a great idea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that. Why not let's do that. Why not
Speaker 1: I could spy on you.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we actually did get hits, but we got
Speaker 2: some pretty freaky hits. Freaky hits, yeah, like Alex was doing. Admittedly,
Speaker 2: everybody's different. It's like playing an instrument. Some people play
Speaker 2: a saxophone, some people play, you know, guitar, some people
Speaker 2: play piano, drums, whatever. Everybody has different inclinations. Me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm not really that inclined to remote you Like, I
Speaker 2: can get hits, but if you're describing like a mountain
Speaker 2: or you know, if the target is a mountain, for me,
Speaker 2: the hits are like, hmm, I see some rock, it's
Speaker 2: something really tall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, see, that might be hella hard for me.
Speaker 2: So I was. My first one was was interesting, like
Speaker 2: I hit something in the target, but it wasn't like
Speaker 2: the main target. Like I started drawing trees that were
Speaker 2: trees in the background of the picture. Then the next
Speaker 2: one is probably my best one. I drew like I
Speaker 2: was seeing like this donut shape. It ended up being
Speaker 2: like an island and it was a it was an
Speaker 2: area s shaped island. So I drew like this donut shape,
Speaker 2: and it actually there was this donut shaped island in
Speaker 2: the picture with a bridge around it. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: that we'll what she started talking. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to like leak a whole bunch of the information that
Speaker 2: she taught, but she started talking about you know, I
Speaker 2: was getting so locked.
Speaker 1: Into what was I seeing? What was I seeing? She
Speaker 1: was like, well, what are you feeling?
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, it's not all about what
Speaker 2: you see. It's about engaging all five senses. And in
Speaker 2: that doughnut smell anything, I started feeling like you taste anything.
Speaker 2: I was on the edge, like there was an edge
Speaker 2: or like some it some height, like I could feel
Speaker 2: wind blowing and like I felt high up off the ground.
Speaker 2: It was an island with a bridge, like a highway bridge,
Speaker 2: and I was like, that's where I was getting this
Speaker 2: ledge feeling. I couldn't paint the picture, I couldn't see it,
Speaker 2: but I could feel the ledge h so interesting. And
Speaker 2: then you have some people who could vividly see the
Speaker 2: whole picture, right, So that's just not me. Yea, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think with practice, maybe we could all get there.
Speaker 2: But it's just like, I don't know, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's just not really my thing. I'm not really
Speaker 2: like inclined to want to remove you. I've had several
Speaker 2: exercises doing it. I get some hit so I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know it's real. It's just like I don't really
Speaker 2: feel the drive to do it. It tickles my fancy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I really should keep pulling that thread.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I would want to do?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm inclined to want to do, Ben Spoons,
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. See, I think that's that's like
Speaker 2: I think everybody has different gifts, everybody has different fortes.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and just for me remote viewing, it's like
Speaker 2: that's cool. But maybe it's someone else's gift it ain't mine.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: My heads are always super vague, like anyway, it's cool
Speaker 2: how it works, right, Yes, very cool? Uh, the gans
Speaker 2: Field experiments.
Speaker 1: You know what's weird.
Speaker 2: This is a very very famous study in the realm
Speaker 2: of esp and I had actually never heard of this one,
Speaker 2: so the gans field experiments were designed to test for
Speaker 2: extra sensory perception by putting participants into a mild a
Speaker 2: sensory deprivation state, which researchers believed might enhance subtle size signals.
Speaker 2: The standard procedure involved two participants, a sender who concentrated
Speaker 2: on an image or video chosen randomly by a computer,
Speaker 2: and a receiver who relaxed in a separate room with
Speaker 2: white noise, translucent ping pong ball halves over their eyes
Speaker 2: so their eyes are covered by the ping pong ball haves,
Speaker 2: and a red light to create a blank visual field.
Speaker 2: In this state, the receiver described any mental impressions they received. Afterward,
Speaker 2: they were shown four images or videos, one of which
Speaker 2: was the sender's target, and were asked to identify the
Speaker 2: one that matched their impressions. If ESP didn't exist, receivers
Speaker 2: would choose correctly only twenty five percent of the time
Speaker 2: by chance. Results varied significantly over time. Early studies found
Speaker 2: hit rates around thirty four percent higher than chance and
Speaker 2: considered statistically significant, sparking interest in SIE effects or ESP effects,
Speaker 2: because remember, the random chance would attribute to only a
Speaker 2: twenty five percent correct margin. They were hitting at least
Speaker 2: thirty four percent correct, so it's above random, right. There
Speaker 2: are critics who raise concerns about possible methodological flaws, including
Speaker 2: randomization issues potential sensory leakage where participants might unconsciously pick
Speaker 2: up cues unrelated to SIE effects. So in order to
Speaker 2: address these, they developed the Auto gans felt. That totally
Speaker 2: sounds like an anime mech Auto Yeah, Auto guns felt.
Speaker 2: It's like a giant mech robot mobilized. It's fighting a
Speaker 2: giant monster that comes from space and it has millions
Speaker 2: of little spawn.
Speaker 1: That I would watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too, Yeah, I totally would. Man, it's the
Speaker 2: end of the world and this robot's just like.
Speaker 1: The name of the show is like auto guns Field zero.
Speaker 1: That sounds like an It.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of Gance Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, right field yeah, which autom Okay, So
Speaker 2: they developed the auto gans Feld, which automated parts of
Speaker 2: the experiment to minimize human error and improve rigor Okay.
Speaker 2: Despite these improvements, the results remain contentious. Some meta analysis,
Speaker 2: like those by Daryl Bim and Charles Norton, continued to
Speaker 2: find statistically significant effects, especially when studies adhered strictly to
Speaker 2: the original procedure. Again, skeptics conducted a meta analysis that
Speaker 2: found no significant effect across a broader range of studies,
Speaker 2: suggesting that minor procedural changes might influence outcomes. Further studies
Speaker 2: have shown the only experiments closely following the traditional Gansfeld
Speaker 2: protocol show positive results, while those that modify the protocol
Speaker 2: often don't, So there is evidence of a faint side effect. Again,
Speaker 2: it's that subtle statistical significance. More research needed, Maybe there's
Speaker 2: something to it. It's above random. There have been challenges
Speaker 2: replicating it because, like we saw, when they modify it
Speaker 2: usually doesn't show positive results, methodological concerns. So because of
Speaker 2: these things. By the way, this happened like many years ago,
Speaker 2: like I think it was the seventies and eighties.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't say.
Speaker 2: That, but yeah, because of the uh, the pushback from skeptics,
Speaker 2: I think this never broke into like mainstream science. It
Speaker 2: stayed in the whole realm of you know, parapsychology or whatever.
Speaker 2: But the fact is there there are real esp effects
Speaker 2: that have been measured statistically significant, and you know, I'd
Speaker 2: be willing to see what would happen if they tried
Speaker 2: it again today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see that. I just like,
Speaker 1: I feel like, if there's any sort of sort of
Speaker 1: statistical evidence whatsoever, and it's above random, like, why are
Speaker 1: we not just putting all of our resources into figuring
Speaker 1: this out?
Speaker 2: I think it's paradigm, right. I think it's like I
Speaker 2: think there's a greater scientific dogma that's like, uh, this
Speaker 2: stuff's not real unless there's hard proof. But then I
Speaker 2: also wonder if it's like, well, what can we.
Speaker 1: Do with it? Right? That's that's honestly it because the
Speaker 1: greatest motivators for scientific really, the greatest motivator for scientific
Speaker 1: advancement isn't always has been warm. Yeah, what can we
Speaker 1: do with it? It's always been war?
Speaker 2: See the little ping pong ball with the headset with
Speaker 2: the white noise, and see they have them like it's
Speaker 2: total sense, not total but partial sensory deprivation. But I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: I saw that on YouTube when I was a kid
Speaker 2: and tried to replicate it. No, did you have any results?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, it was like you can hallucinate at home with
Speaker 2: these items and you put the ping pong balls over
Speaker 2: your eyes and you shine the red light. You stare
Speaker 2: at the computer and you put the headphones on and shipmber.
Speaker 2: Doesn't this look like something of a horror movie? God
Speaker 2: God experiments a zero like zombies coming out.
Speaker 1: Right? You know? You know the reason you got GPS
Speaker 1: on your phone right now is because satellites were originally
Speaker 1: designed and deployed for war. Like every major scientific advancement
Speaker 1: that you could name, it comes from war. It's the
Speaker 1: greatest motivator to innovation.
Speaker 2: That's why it's really interesting going to see the CIA
Speaker 2: leaked documents regarding this stuff. Like one of my favorite
Speaker 2: leaked document declassified i should say not leaked declassified CA
Speaker 2: documents is the nineteen eighty four mission of Mars.
Speaker 1: Were they remote viewed? You know who that was?
Speaker 2: No as Joe mc monacall really yeah, dude, It's been
Speaker 2: my favorite document on that entire website, probably since before
Speaker 2: we started doing the show. Yeah, it's I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: that was project stargeting.
Speaker 1: Yea, even that stuff, even them getting into remote viewing
Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, they're like, we want to
Speaker 1: spy on our enemies. Yeah, that's like, it's what it's
Speaker 1: always about.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why they did it. Joe explained it to me,
Speaker 2: explained it to our whole group. The reason that they
Speaker 2: began the remote viewing project in the army is because
Speaker 2: in the I think it was the eighties when it
Speaker 2: truly began, the generals got together and they were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we need to have a serious discussion about this. But
Speaker 2: the Russians are getting into the occult getting. They have
Speaker 2: sorcery type practices, they have psychic spying, and our intelligence
Speaker 2: is telling us that it actually works. Should we be
Speaker 2: worried about this? Yes, we should be worried about this. Okay,
Speaker 2: is this something that we can do to counteract the Russians?
Speaker 2: They determined that that maybe they couldn't. The way it
Speaker 2: was worded to me, it was like they can't prevent
Speaker 2: the spying, like they can't block it psychically, but they
Speaker 2: can counter do it.
Speaker 1: They can spy back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and you can look up the I
Speaker 2: think it's the Typhoon class submarine, which was like a
Speaker 2: top secret classified Russian like nuclear submarine that we discovered
Speaker 2: the remote viewing. It's like declassified information. We actually made
Speaker 2: tech logical discoveries through remote viewing and a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of other stuff that's totally real shit. The way they
Speaker 2: picked him even so, Joe was literally he was like
Speaker 2: the first one. He was remote viewer zerzer one, and
Speaker 2: he told us a story. It's a very cool story.
Speaker 2: So when they were like, okay, well, how do we
Speaker 2: even recruit people for this, they started to notice that
Speaker 2: in Vietnam and the other wars around the time of Vietnam,
Speaker 2: some people would go on these tours and they would
Speaker 2: come home and all of their buddies and their platoon,
Speaker 2: all their brothers would die. But they would come home
Speaker 2: and then they'd go on another tour. The same guy
Speaker 2: that came home from the last one, same scenario, his
Speaker 2: whole platoon died. He made it home. How did he
Speaker 2: make it home? How does this guy keep going on
Speaker 2: so many combat deployments and he keeps making it home
Speaker 2: but everyone around him dies. So they decided, Okay, they
Speaker 2: probably have some sort of super powerful sixth sense situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, yeah like that, these individuals probably have a
Speaker 2: powerful psychic intuition that we could use to harness this
Speaker 2: kind of thing. And it turned out to be true.
Speaker 2: So that's how they recruited the psychic Spice was looking
Speaker 2: at these reports of these soldiers who would come home
Speaker 2: and they you know, I don't know how many there were,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it's totally real.
Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Yeah, because that's got to be wild. You
Speaker 1: keep sending these platoons out there and the same guy
Speaker 1: keeps coming back. Like what is this guy doing different?
Speaker 1: He's being guided by his psychic intuition. Yeah, to every
Speaker 1: decisis sense making is Yeah, that sixth sense is just
Speaker 1: telling him what how to navigate. Yep.
Speaker 2: I mean it's hard to replicate, but you that applies
Speaker 2: really easily to life.
Speaker 1: Absolutely it does. Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it applies to picking packs, right, yeah, no.
Speaker 1: But you just you know people that like that just
Speaker 1: like survive everything. Yeah. Yeah. One of my coworker's dads
Speaker 1: like fell out of a helicopter in a war, and like,
Speaker 1: for real, he's survived cancer twice. He's had like all
Speaker 1: kinds of like so many different life threatening he had
Speaker 1: a heart attack like a month ago, like so many
Speaker 1: things throughout his life, and he just keeps just keeps trucking.
Speaker 1: It's like, what is what is the deal? Some people
Speaker 1: are just like so hyper resilient, and I gotta think
Speaker 1: it's something right, right. I think I gotta think it's
Speaker 1: something deeper than the surface level. It's not just like,
Speaker 1: oh he's lucky. I think there's something deeper there. For sure.
Speaker 1: He got that psychic that psychic powers.
Speaker 2: Bro, you triggered something for me here with the pack thing.
Speaker 2: Is that My introduction to this phenomenon in my youth
Speaker 2: was playing this card game with my mom called golf.
Speaker 2: You ever play a card game called golf? You have
Speaker 2: six cards basically, and you strategically kind of want to
Speaker 2: trade him out and flip him over to get the
Speaker 2: lowest score. I'm not going to explain the whole game,
Speaker 2: but basically you'd be He had a point where you
Speaker 2: have to flip over one of these six face down
Speaker 2: cards that you have, and I remember closing my eyes
Speaker 2: and seeing the six cards and then one of them
Speaker 2: would start.
Speaker 1: Glowing in my in my oh wow, and I would
Speaker 1: flip that card over. Dude, that's so wild. You know
Speaker 1: our buddy Jesse that grew up on my street. Uh,
Speaker 1: he used to come over all the time and like
Speaker 1: swim in the pool and whatever. And I remember this
Speaker 1: one time we were playing. We were just like in
Speaker 1: the pool, playing the stupid game. And he was like,
Speaker 1: all right, you gotta close your eyes and I'm going
Speaker 1: to like go somewhere in the pool and you gotta
Speaker 1: like point me out or whatever. And he was like
Speaker 1: he would like make me put my hand over my
Speaker 1: eyes and everything, and I swear to you, bro, this
Speaker 1: was like I was probably like ten or something. I
Speaker 1: would like look at him and then I would put
Speaker 1: my hand over my eyes, and I swear to you,
Speaker 1: there was this no it was like this like this
Speaker 1: ball of like like energy. That's not the best way
Speaker 1: to explain it. It was almost like a star burst
Speaker 1: like energy, like just like going around and as he
Speaker 1: would move, I would see it move, so I would
Speaker 1: just follow it with my finger and whatever. And I
Speaker 1: swear my hands are over my eyes and I'm following it.
Speaker 1: And then i'd open and I'd be pointing right at
Speaker 1: him and he's like, you're cheating, and I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I can see it. I don't know what's happening, but
Speaker 1: like I can see this like thing. And it would
Speaker 1: happen over and over every time i'd point right to him.
Speaker 2: I think children don't have that filter, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's so cliche. Everybody says that you see it in
Speaker 2: the horror movies, but like, I really think so, Like
Speaker 2: I think children are way more in tune in that
Speaker 2: stuff because you don't have that doubt filter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm trying to do that kind of st
Speaker 1: because I'll remember that and be like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: I could do something like that now, and then I'll try.
Speaker 1: And it's like I have gotten it to work like
Speaker 1: once or twice as an adult, but it's like as
Speaker 1: a kid, it was just boom. I would just do
Speaker 1: it and I would just see it. It was like
Speaker 1: really weird. Yeah, really weird. That's wild. He was convinced
Speaker 1: that I was just like peeking or whatever. I know.
Speaker 2: I talked about this briefly when Arkie was on a
Speaker 2: few weeks ago, but there there was an experience recently
Speaker 2: where I was like kind of spontaneously going out of
Speaker 2: body a little bit and my eyes were closed and
Speaker 2: I was wide awake from bed, but I could see
Speaker 2: through my closed eyelids. I could see the room around me,
Speaker 2: and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 1: It was very weird.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I think, like I think we
Speaker 2: are approaching a time where this kind of information is
Speaker 2: going to rapidly unfold, and it has to do with
Speaker 2: the phenomenon. I think, like the more the world begins
Speaker 2: to see this stuff, the more we're gonna kind of
Speaker 2: like grasp and like you know, make contact with this
Speaker 2: sort of information, with this sort of knowledge. And I
Speaker 2: think we're gonna be really shocked at like how far
Speaker 2: we can develop this stuff. I think anything is pretty
Speaker 2: much possible within reason, within following the laws of the
Speaker 2: physical universe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta follow the laws of physics. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: just watching the point. Yeah, I was just watching that
Speaker 1: interview with Sad Guru and he was talking about how
Speaker 1: the human body has reached the peak of its evolution
Speaker 1: and that I agree. Consciousness evolution it's the next step,
Speaker 1: is the next step.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing to make sense.
Speaker 1: Psychic consciousness evolution being able to manipulate first. He said,
Speaker 1: it will start first with manipulating our own bodies with
Speaker 1: our minds, because that's what he explains that he he
Speaker 1: does and has done, and he explains that's kind of
Speaker 1: what people who reach enlightenment do. They learn how to
Speaker 1: quite literally change the chemistry within their bodies with their
Speaker 1: minds to match a like blissful state of consciousness at
Speaker 1: all time. That's cool. Yeah, how long is this interview?
Speaker 1: It was a good like two and a half hours
Speaker 1: or so.
Speaker 2: I'll probably watch it tomorrow. Christ Ginny and I have
Speaker 2: a drive to Faate go to North Dakota.
Speaker 1: It was it was a really awesome and profound and
Speaker 1: b it's with THEO Von So it's hilarious, right, it's
Speaker 1: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm stoked for that one.
Speaker 1: It's great. I'll definitely throw That was like a shock
Speaker 1: I was. I saw it came out of nowhere right.
Speaker 1: I saw the thumbnail. It was THEO and sad Guru.
Speaker 2: I was like, what, Yeah, I don't even listen to
Speaker 2: podcasts like that, Like I follow theovon, but I don't regularly,
Speaker 2: you know, listen to the show. But that one I'm
Speaker 2: very excited to listen to, really really And it's not
Speaker 2: that I don't like the show. I'm just not much
Speaker 2: of a consumer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's like I'm constantly listening to podcasts and it's mostly
Speaker 1: like comedians and uh people like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm just I justoke for that one.
Speaker 1: I've been really into necro Goble co on the I've
Speaker 1: been seeing it, dude, it's so good. I've been seeing
Speaker 1: clips of it.
Speaker 2: He's got like big people on it, and.
Speaker 1: He just started up. Yeah, and it's really really it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I've been seeing Uh. He had someone on the other
Speaker 2: day that was like I can't remember who it was,
Speaker 2: but it was like a really big comedian or something.
Speaker 1: First guest was Andrew Santino. His second was Pete Holmes.
Speaker 2: I saw that was yeah, Pete, Pete Holmes, Andrew Centino,
Speaker 2: and there was someone else and I was like, who
Speaker 2: is this guy? How's he getting these people? And it's
Speaker 2: like a big band.
Speaker 1: He's oh, they're a huge band. But also like he
Speaker 1: keeps his identity completely obscure, Like I think you might
Speaker 1: be able to dig and find out who it is,
Speaker 1: but from context clues, it sounds like you know who
Speaker 1: it is. No, sounds like he's a comedian though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like one of the I saw a clipper.
Speaker 2: He was like, I'm really good at improving and it
Speaker 2: was just like really bad, but it was funny.
Speaker 1: It's a funny show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Man, it's so funny. Saguru he straight upset it. The
Speaker 1: next step in evolution for humanity is psychic and conscious.
Speaker 1: It's it's manipulating things with our minds. I love that.
Speaker 2: And you know what's funny talk about love and stuff.
Speaker 2: I just pulled this up and and I love this that.
Speaker 2: There is a horror film that came out in twenty
Speaker 2: fourteen called The Gansfeld Haunting. Oh no, it's a recreation
Speaker 2: the picture. Yeah, look you see it, pull a pack.
Speaker 1: Alex looks like a minion.
Speaker 2: It looks like a yeah it does done, it like
Speaker 2: an evil minion. I think I have like one or
Speaker 2: two more studies and then we can just float out
Speaker 2: of here. Fuck yeah, I've got two more. The Princeton
Speaker 2: Engineering Anomalies Research This went on at Princeton apparently, which
Speaker 2: I thought was pretty wild. But so, from nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: nine to two thousand and seven, the Princeton Engineering Anomalies
Speaker 2: Research Lab, or the Pair Lab, conducted groundbreaking experiments exploring
Speaker 2: whether human consciousness could influence physical systems. So again it's
Speaker 2: that psychokinesis effect like what they did at the Ryan Center.
Speaker 2: By the way, the Rhine does way more than the
Speaker 2: study that I said. I only reference that one because
Speaker 2: it's a published paper. They have many more that they're
Speaker 2: working on now that are not published papers. I'm keeping
Speaker 2: this to like published you know, published data, but anyway, so.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Exploring whether human consciousness could influence physical systems. One of
Speaker 2: their core studies involved using random event generators, devices designed
Speaker 2: to produce sequences of statistically random numbers. The participants attempted
Speaker 2: to influence these systems, with their thoughts being to shift
Speaker 2: the numbers away from randomness. They produced results suggesting that
Speaker 2: human intention can indeed influence physical systems in subtle ways
Speaker 2: over millions of trials millions from the seventies. From nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine to two thousand and seven, they did millions
Speaker 2: of trials. They observed small but statistically significant which means true,
Speaker 2: you know, deviations in the behavior of the rigs or
Speaker 2: the random number generators, particularly when participants focus their mental
Speaker 2: attention on influencing outcomes. The significance of the effect was
Speaker 2: generally small, often around one in one thousand out of millions,
Speaker 2: but the consistent results over extensive testing indicated a non
Speaker 2: random correlation between human intention and physical processes. Beyond the
Speaker 2: random number generators. The pair lab also explored other phenomenons
Speaker 2: such as the behavior of mechanical devices a random mechanical cascade,
Speaker 2: or Murphy is what they nicknamed it, pendulums and even robots,
Speaker 2: all with the goal of testing whether human intention could
Speaker 2: alter their outcomes. I've seen this before.
Speaker 1: It sounds familiar.
Speaker 2: I've seen where people have like tried to alter the
Speaker 2: behavior of robots with their thoughts.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was this. We may have also talked about
Speaker 1: this one. Yeah, really familiar.
Speaker 2: It does sound familiar with the robots, and I feel
Speaker 2: like maybe you talked about this one.
Speaker 1: We may have. I don't know, but anyway, I think
Speaker 1: we did.
Speaker 2: That's that's definitely given me deja vu. Yeah, I just
Speaker 2: see the picture of my mind. Maybe man, maybe maybe
Speaker 2: we all are. And these experiments data indicated measurable shifts
Speaker 2: aligned with participants intentions, further suggesting a connection between mind
Speaker 2: and matter. However, these results have been controversial. Critics have
Speaker 2: argued that the observed effects, while statistically significant, were small
Speaker 2: and might have been influenced by factors such as experiment
Speaker 2: or bias, environmental conditions or chance fluctuations, and highly sensitive equipment.
Speaker 2: And you know what people say, we see satellites, so
Speaker 2: I don't give a sh shit. Despite criticism, pairs work
Speaker 2: helped to advance the field of consciousness research, and it
Speaker 2: continues to spark debate about the potential interaction between the mind,
Speaker 2: matter and consciousness affecting physical reality. So some of their
Speaker 2: key conclusions were that certain individuals or operators exhibited particularly
Speaker 2: strong psychic abilities, and the effects varied between participants. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I swear we talked about robots on a previous Spirit
Speaker 2: Science episode.
Speaker 1: It might have been like frequency and vibration. Yeah something,
Speaker 1: can you look that up? Chat? Yeah, like a stream?
Speaker 1: Has it done? Chat? A chat chat? So that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool, right, Like messing with robots and pendulums
Speaker 2: and random number generators and getting results.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's cragnificant results. Yeah, there's always skeptics out there
Speaker 1: that are like, it is not significant, Oh, experimental bias,
Speaker 1: and like there's always skeptics. But in my opinion, like
Speaker 1: if the if the stats are significant enough to suggest
Speaker 1: that it's not random, we're getting somewhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's enough to suggest it's not random, then
Speaker 2: maybe we should do more. Maybe we should replicate this,
Speaker 2: Maybe we should keep going. It does baffle me a
Speaker 2: little bit, like white people don't keep.
Speaker 1: Going with this yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I understand the original people not keep going with this
Speaker 2: because they did it for like thirty years or twenty years,
Speaker 2: but like other people should catch wind of this and
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, let's do this. I agree,
Speaker 2: there's something to it. And then we got one more
Speaker 2: the This is another really famous one, apparently. I don't
Speaker 2: think I've heard of this one, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm saying this right, But the Mama needs Mema needs,
Speaker 2: the Mema needats I don't know. Medical center studies The
Speaker 2: Mama needat Medical Center studies conducted by researchers like montaig
Speaker 2: Olman and Stanley Kripner. They're some of the most popular
Speaker 2: ESP studies in all of history, particularly dream telepathy. I
Speaker 2: put this one at the end to correlate with the
Speaker 2: first one we talked about. Conducted between the sixties and
Speaker 2: the seventies. It focused on testing the hypothesis that people
Speaker 2: could experience telepathic communication during their dreams. Very interesting considering
Speaker 2: that just last.
Speaker 1: Month we proved this without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they were talking about this is the sixties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So in the experiment, a cinder in one room would
Speaker 2: focus on a randomly selected image, while the receiver, in
Speaker 2: another room, typically in a state of rim sleep, was
Speaker 2: monitored for eye movements to determine when they were dreaming
Speaker 2: upon waking.
Speaker 1: Now we have like little.
Speaker 2: Bracelet sensors and all kinds of crazy technic as far
Speaker 2: as we have to watch people's eyes. You know, are
Speaker 2: they in rapid eye movement in the sixties? Right, So,
Speaker 2: upon waking, the receiver was asked to describe the dreams
Speaker 2: they had, and their descriptions were then compared to the images.
Speaker 2: The success rate was notably higher than what would be
Speaker 2: expected by chance, with significant results indicating a possible connection
Speaker 2: between the dreamer's content and the cinder's image. You know,
Speaker 2: I really should have swapped the order of these and
Speaker 2: read this one first and the other one. But it's
Speaker 2: interesting to see how they were doing this back then.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So, Another feature of this study was the significant statistical
Speaker 2: success For example, in one of the experiments, the success
Speaker 2: rate of the participants was calculated at one in one thousand,
Speaker 2: with odds showing it was highly unlikely that these results
Speaker 2: were due to chance alone. The data from this research
Speaker 2: has been met with both praise and criticism. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 2: whatever they always show both sides, particularly due to the
Speaker 2: challenges of replication in other labs. Overall, the research suggests
Speaker 2: that the phenomenon of telepathic communication during dreams is probable
Speaker 2: highly probable. The findings also sparked discussions about the broader
Speaker 2: implications of psychic phenomenon and how it relates to the mind, sleep, consciousness.
Speaker 2: And that's very interesting that we started off the episode
Speaker 2: with the proof last month that they a month that
Speaker 2: they did it, you know, like October twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: That's groundbreaking, you know what?
Speaker 2: That reminds me of dream scenario with Nick cageh That
Speaker 2: movie was spoiler alert, spoiler alert. It is a very
Speaker 2: good movie. If you're if you're like an inkling of
Speaker 2: a Nick Cage fan, go watch the movie. But it's
Speaker 2: it reminds me of that because here's the spoiler. If
Speaker 2: pause it now if you want to see the movie
Speaker 2: without spoiler. But at the end, that's kind of where
Speaker 2: it ends up, is they communicate in dreams. Yes, so
Speaker 2: like the whole movie the world is having nightmares about him.
Speaker 2: Starts off as good dreams, they're silly dreams. Then they
Speaker 2: turn into like literal nightmares. The whole world hates them whatever.
Speaker 2: And then in the end, after there's some sort of
Speaker 2: time skip. Uh, you see these ads where people are
Speaker 2: like selling these devices, remember, and they're giving like selling
Speaker 2: products and dreams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the device was to like the ads, it was, well,
Speaker 1: the purpose of the device was to like block bad dreams.
Speaker 1: And then they just like companies, right, companies started pumping
Speaker 1: it full.
Speaker 3: Of ads, which is exactly what would happen if that
Speaker 3: was a real and they're like filming commercials and then
Speaker 3: the commercials are getting like bean, you're right, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was to block bad dreams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then ads were getting beamed into their head.
Speaker 2: But then Nicholas Cato's character figures out the very very
Speaker 2: end of the movie, he figures out how to manipulate
Speaker 2: that and send himself into his ex wife's dream and
Speaker 2: remember he goes, I wish this.
Speaker 1: Was for you. Yeah, and then it just like floats away.
Speaker 2: It's very sad, but very funny.
Speaker 1: I watched that movie again since we watched it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember who with, but God, I was really
Speaker 1: you know, I've been on like the past couple of years,
Speaker 1: like I've been hitting them Nick Cage movies. It was
Speaker 1: a while Yeah, there was a while where I was like, no,
Speaker 1: watch that one, No, I want to watch that one
Speaker 1: really bad. It's good, but like it's really the unbearable
Speaker 1: weight of massive talent. That movie was an amazing pig.
Speaker 1: That movie is incredible, like he's been hitting it with
Speaker 1: was like his comeback. Oh and the Color Out of Space.
Speaker 2: There's another one. It's It's the one that's like based
Speaker 2: on what's that game Five Nights at Freddy's.
Speaker 1: Oh, Yeah, yeah, it's It's and then and that one
Speaker 1: just came out. That Long Legs movie, which I heard
Speaker 1: mixed things about.
Speaker 2: I heard I personally loved that movie really, but I
Speaker 2: mean it is like a horror film.
Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. Yeah it is. It's fucking awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, Alex liked it. I think we
Speaker 1: all liked it. I was pretty intrigued.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that movie is very polarizing. It's
Speaker 2: very like it's fifty percent people either.
Speaker 1: Loved it or hated it. Yeah, that's what I was getting.
Speaker 2: So I could tell you why, but it would spoil
Speaker 2: the movie.
Speaker 1: So like after the movie, if.
Speaker 2: You decide to watch it, but it's a creepy ass movie.
Speaker 1: It's just like I've seen clips from it, and like
Speaker 1: his performance seems really cool.
Speaker 2: Imagine like a much much scarier sounce of the Lambs.
Speaker 1: Okay with the Devil. Yeah, I was with Nick Cage.
Speaker 2: He's pigeonholed in my brain into being one character.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So I was very skeptical about his performance. Honestly incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, the movie's vibe is on it. The dude's
Speaker 1: a good actor, he really is.
Speaker 2: And have you seen pig No, But I think he
Speaker 2: got slept on for a long time because he got
Speaker 2: pigeonholed into being one role he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's how I was feeling for a long time.
Speaker 1: And long Legs is fire. These last like five years,
Speaker 1: he's just been just banger after banger.
Speaker 2: He must have got a new agent or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know what I think it is.
Speaker 2: I think he was at the point of no return,
Speaker 2: like after like destroying his career and just being at
Speaker 2: the complete rock bottom under success, especially with like Ghostwrider.
Speaker 2: I think Steale his fate. I think he just hit
Speaker 2: a point.
Speaker 1: Where he's like, whatever, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do it. And and I think I
Speaker 2: think he just like didn't look back and just didn't care.
Speaker 2: And he was such a meme at that point that
Speaker 2: I think he I think he got meaned back into
Speaker 2: even more success.
Speaker 1: And he is also an actor who you can tell
Speaker 1: he is truly obsessed with acting and with like movie
Speaker 1: culture in general. He is so obsessed he's like a
Speaker 1: savant when it comes to film, Like, yeah, he can
Speaker 1: name anything about any film ever made, Like he's.
Speaker 2: So do you know who made Long Legs? Oz Perkins,
Speaker 2: the son of Anthony Perkins, who is the original Norman
Speaker 2: Bates and Psycho.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's crazy. I was just talking about that movie today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is reminiscent a little bit of Psycho really.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, you know, not based on it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, Long Legs was fire like to me, it
Speaker 2: was like damn near ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But there's that other group that like they hate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I've talked to some people who are like
Speaker 1: that movie was whack as fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing, it's like, do those people do
Speaker 2: they watch Nick Cage movies?
Speaker 1: Right? That that's the other thing.
Speaker 2: It's a Nick Cage movie, yes, And you gotta get
Speaker 2: Nick see here's the yes and here's the thing. Like
Speaker 2: they didn't really show Nick Cage and the trailer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so people are thinking it's like, oh, he's just in it.
Speaker 1: Nah, dude, he's like full prosthetic, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's it's a Nick Cage movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, I want to watch it. The performance
Speaker 1: seems really awesome.
Speaker 2: I like how we just like started talking about Nick.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: I'll talk about Nick Cage all day.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with Nick cag He's awesome. I saw a
Speaker 2: video the other day where he said there's been five
Speaker 2: movies in his entire career that when he was handed
Speaker 2: a script, five movies ever where he said, this is perfect.
Speaker 2: I don't want to change a single thing. I will
Speaker 2: do the role exactly as you gave it to me
Speaker 2: and not question it whatsoever. And one of those four
Speaker 2: of them I had never heard of. The fifth one
Speaker 2: was dream Scenario. He said it was perfect, one of
Speaker 2: the best scripts he's ever seen in his life.
Speaker 1: Dude, Look, I know we spoiled it, And if you're
Speaker 1: still listening and still interested, just watch the trailer. The
Speaker 1: trailer alone. As soon as I saw it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I need to watch this right now, because the premise
Speaker 1: is insane. The whole world starts dreaming about him, and
Speaker 1: then he's walking around and people are like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I know I saw you in my dream, and then
Speaker 1: they all start getting terrified of him, and it's like,
Speaker 1: what the fuck is.
Speaker 2: Like the up Nightmares?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that movie was wild.
Speaker 2: Well, look, last thing I'll say about Long Legs right
Speaker 2: because I really was taken aback by that movie. As
Speaker 2: far as horror film goes, there's like certain different metrics
Speaker 2: to me after seeing close to two hundred of them,
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty of them at least at this point,
Speaker 2: where like there's a certain metric for Okay, is the
Speaker 2: vibe good? Is is it actually scary or not? You know,
Speaker 2: I can live with that, but there is like a
Speaker 2: that's a factor, you know, the plot, YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2: As far as vibe goes, Long Legs is a ten,
Speaker 2: Like it's what I care about them in the horror space,
Speaker 2: Like the vibe is perfect. It's just one of those movies.
Speaker 2: It's like like Hereditary or like this movie The Void,
Speaker 2: which maybe maybe you would like. It's one of the
Speaker 2: best love crafty and horror films ever made. The vibe
Speaker 2: is just a and it's not many movies you come
Speaker 2: across with that kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: So that's vibe is the most important thing. I've like
Speaker 1: told people before, like a movie could be a six
Speaker 1: or seven on everything else, but if the vibe is
Speaker 1: a ten out of ten, oh, I'm gonna be obsessed
Speaker 1: with Yeah, like that's all. It's all about the vibe
Speaker 1: for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Same here, same here for the most part. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know what, that's a wrap. That's all the studies
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: Let's go crack some packs. Let's do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll take a short break. That's what I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, crack a couple of packs. I had fun
Speaker 2: talking about psychic stuff. It's always a blast. And I
Speaker 2: really had fun taking a detour about Nick Cage at
Speaker 2: the end. I didn't expect that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he pops up in the most unexpected places.
Speaker 2: You gotta watch Mandy, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been wanting to watch it for years. That
Speaker 1: movie is like a fever drink. Since before I even
Speaker 1: saw The Color, I keep wanting to call it the color.
Speaker 2: It was his comeback. Yeah, it was literally his comeback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna peep that.
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