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Speaker 4: All right, Happy Tuesday, So you welcome in Coffee and Company,
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Speaker 4: Austin Montgomery taking you up until six o'clock. As mentioned
Speaker 4: on a Tuesday after an it kind of feels like
Speaker 4: evening because it's been gloomy, kind of dark outside. I know,
Speaker 4: we got another batch of storms coming in this evening.
Speaker 4: So we'll let you know if in fact there's any real,
Speaker 4: you know, news that you need to be aware of.
Speaker 4: I doubt that you typically would think, hey, we need
Speaker 4: to listen to Nick and Austin on Coffee and Company
Speaker 4: to keep us safe from storms, but hey, we might
Speaker 4: as well utilize the platform for something positive here, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, the rest of it's probably going to be nonsense.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll have some fun, hopefully you'll have some
Speaker 4: fun with us along the way. But as far as
Speaker 4: how productive we are over these next few hours, we'll
Speaker 4: have to wait and see. But given that we had
Speaker 4: such a devastating storm that is killed twenty people roughly,
Speaker 4: I think the debt total is still at nineteen as
Speaker 4: of earlier this morning Governor Basher's latest updates. So it's
Speaker 4: going to be nasty, but again, hopefully it's not anything
Speaker 4: close to what we had just just before, four or
Speaker 4: five days ago, whatever it was. And I'll see the
Speaker 4: devastation in the London area in Laurel County. I mean
Speaker 4: there's houses, really just a section of a neighborhood that
Speaker 4: looks completely i mean completely demolished, where there's really no
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just completely demolished. If you've seen it,
Speaker 4: you know exactly what I'm talking about. But there are
Speaker 4: other areas, I'm sure where maybe they just had some
Speaker 4: roof damage, or maybe they had their roof ripped off,
Speaker 4: and they're still trying to salvage whatever they can of
Speaker 4: what's left of their home. And I know, it's been
Speaker 4: a big push to get tarps and whatnot out there
Speaker 4: because they're trying to cover up. I mean, it's the
Speaker 4: area that just got hit really bad. I mean it
Speaker 4: sounds like they're going to get it again, which is terrible.
Speaker 4: Hopefully nothing close to what we saw at the end
Speaker 4: of last week, though. Rd If you guys want to
Speaker 4: take us with you wherever you go you can. You
Speaker 4: can listen live on the Aheart Radio. I've also listened
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Speaker 4: know how you can be a part of the show
Speaker 4: and contribute here in just a moment. But I do
Speaker 4: want to start with what I think is some pretty
Speaker 4: substantial news when it comes to the future of college athletics,
Speaker 4: and it is getting a lot of attention. But obviously
Speaker 4: there's not as much interesting as much interest in college
Speaker 4: sports nationally as there is in certain markets like this
Speaker 4: where you know our college teams here Louisville, Kentucky. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're basically the pro teams. But it's been such a
Speaker 4: I guess, a big question mark when it comes to
Speaker 4: the future of college sports with the insanely different landscape
Speaker 4: that we've had in the last four to five years
Speaker 4: with the portal and nil and they're really being no control.
Speaker 4: You hear people say things like, well, it's the wild
Speaker 4: wild West, and it pretty much is and all of
Speaker 4: this and we don't need to get into it. As
Speaker 4: far as just how we got here, I think we've
Speaker 4: touched on that enough in the last few years. But
Speaker 4: it really comes down to the UNSTABLA just trying to
Speaker 4: maintain their archaic amateurism model and never realizing that that
Speaker 4: was not sustainable, never realizing that, you know, that's not
Speaker 4: something that they can expect to be the way things
Speaker 4: are for the rest of time. As society evolves and
Speaker 4: people realize, you know what, doesn't really make a lot
Speaker 4: of sense for there to be so much money made
Speaker 4: off college athletics and these guys don't get These guys
Speaker 4: and gals I should say, they don't get paid for
Speaker 4: performing and they really don't even get a share of
Speaker 4: the revenue. Well that's how we ended up here in
Speaker 4: the grand scheme of things. But this House bill settlement
Speaker 4: that's been out there for how long now, it's been
Speaker 4: pretty much a weekly thing as far as looking for
Speaker 4: updates to see, okay, how far have they gotten on this,
Speaker 4: and a lot of people understandably so wouldn't really want
Speaker 4: to know nerd out and look at what really is
Speaker 4: in place here. And I get it. I'm kind of
Speaker 4: the same way, but I feel like, considering that it's
Speaker 4: such an important thing when it comes to the future
Speaker 4: of college sports, I mean, I'm interested. I want to
Speaker 4: know what's going to happen, and each update we've got
Speaker 4: I feel like in the last couple of months is
Speaker 4: there's always one little hold up that has kept them
Speaker 4: from fully saying, Okay, here's what we're doing, this is it,
Speaker 4: it's final. Here are the rules, Here are the guardrails.
Speaker 4: Here are the list of things that programs need to
Speaker 4: be aware of as far as doing everything by the book,
Speaker 4: not breaking the rules. And I don't say this to exaggerate.
Speaker 4: I don't say this for effect. I think there's been
Speaker 4: some times here recently in the last couple of years
Speaker 4: where you don't really know what the rules are. And
Speaker 4: I don't mean like fans who follow it, I mean programs,
Speaker 4: head coaches. Because it seems as if you do something
Speaker 4: that might be against NCAA bylaws, you hire a lawyer,
Speaker 4: you take the nc DOUBLEA to court, and more often
Speaker 4: than not they've been losing, and that was going to
Speaker 4: be something that probably was never going to go away.
Speaker 4: Schools realizing well, we get it. This rules in place
Speaker 4: because you need to have some level of enforcement, you
Speaker 4: need to have some level of guidelines that everybody has
Speaker 4: to follow to make things equal, make things fair. But
Speaker 4: there's always a lawyer that can maybe find a loophole
Speaker 4: and try to stick to the NCUBA, because to be fair,
Speaker 4: the NABA, even if they are trying to get things
Speaker 4: in order, trying to regulate college sports to where it's
Speaker 4: not such a free for all, there's going to be
Speaker 4: certain things that they try to put in place for
Speaker 4: good reason, but technically a judge may say you're not
Speaker 4: allowed to do that. That's really been their biggest battle
Speaker 4: in the last couple of years is even when they
Speaker 4: are trying to not necessarily just roll with an iron
Speaker 4: fist and nitpick and keep programs and student athletes from
Speaker 4: doing certain things that you know, even when they're trying
Speaker 4: to do what we want them to do, they run
Speaker 4: into issues with a judge telling them, hey, you're not
Speaker 4: actually allowed to do that, and that really puts them
Speaker 4: in a tough spot. So I guess I'll start with
Speaker 4: the big news that has been confirmed by Front Office Sports.
Speaker 4: I think Ross Dellinger is the one who I saw
Speaker 4: that put this out there first last night, and it's
Speaker 4: pretty much been confirmed that the Power Conferences are now
Speaker 4: in charge of enforcing amateurism the NS double A will
Speaker 4: seed enforcement, meaning they're no longer claiming they are responsible
Speaker 4: to determine who and who is not technically eligible, don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have no clue how they're going to
Speaker 4: work it all out, because again, what's happened, and I
Speaker 4: guess I'll buy it started with last night where Ross
Speaker 4: Ellingrew broke a pretty big story that the Power Conferences,
Speaker 4: meaning the SEC, the Big Ten, the Big twelve, and
Speaker 4: the ACC are putting together and I guess they've been
Speaker 4: working on this for a while. They've drafted a contract
Speaker 4: that would bind schools to new enforcement rules and require
Speaker 4: them to waive the right to sue over decisions. And
Speaker 4: what it sounds like is Tennessee recently filed some Let
Speaker 4: me make sure I've got my info correct here, because
Speaker 4: going back to what I said a moment ago, anytime
Speaker 4: you take steps towards figuring out okay, here are going
Speaker 4: to be the this is the guidelines. This is now
Speaker 4: the rule or the rules I should say that everybody
Speaker 4: has to follow. Yet you find some type of loophole
Speaker 4: to where somebody hired a lawyer and they're going to
Speaker 4: be able to sue in order to get around following rules,
Speaker 4: which again is an issue that makes the NC DOUBLEA,
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, pretty pretty helpless. So this
Speaker 4: document that they put together that I guess has now
Speaker 4: been stamped for approval, so much so that the NC
Speaker 4: DOUBLEA Charlie Baker, who again is now the new Mark Emmert,
Speaker 4: he is now claiming, yes, they are now in charge.
Speaker 4: They don't have the resources. So what this does is
Speaker 4: this is and I'm reading here directly from Ross Dellinger
Speaker 4: of Yahoo Sports. The document, described as affiliation or membership
Speaker 4: Agreement isn't final, but a draft of the contract has
Speaker 4: been distributed to dozens of school presidents, general counsels, and ads,
Speaker 4: some of whom pushed back against some of the concepts
Speaker 4: which are now being refined. The document is basically you
Speaker 4: signing over, you signing off on saying that all seventy
Speaker 4: plus Power Conference schools, if of course you sign off
Speaker 4: as well as others if they opt into this agreement.
Speaker 4: It's a way to bind everybody together into a group
Speaker 4: to provide stability around the enforcement of rules, including the
Speaker 4: NIL Clearinghouse LBI caps. So there's a new it was
Speaker 4: a new Tennessee state in IL law that came out
Speaker 4: late last week and it provides an example of why
Speaker 4: this agreement is necessary to have stability and regulation in
Speaker 4: the rev Share era. So never say, I mean, it's
Speaker 4: tough to know if this wouldn't shock me in any way,
Speaker 4: if by the end of the show today there's some
Speaker 4: kind of a pushback and this won't happen because you
Speaker 4: have what you're relying on. For there to be clear guidelines,
Speaker 4: rules that everybody has to follow, you need like everybody
Speaker 4: to agree and be on the same page. And that's
Speaker 4: really hard to do with a lot of things. It's
Speaker 4: even harder to do when it comes to these schools,
Speaker 4: these universities coming together to a agree on something, yet
Speaker 4: they're always competing and what eighty percent of these schools
Speaker 4: might agree on, maybe there's twenty percent that say, hey,
Speaker 4: agreeing to that will put us at a disadvantage. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's really tough to envision everybody being one thousand percent
Speaker 4: on the same page. But it sounds like, you know,
Speaker 4: it sounds like they're getting close. So I mean this,
Speaker 4: this would be huge, and this would make it to
Speaker 4: where you sign off claiming that you are you are,
Speaker 4: you are agreeing to follow these guidelines and if you
Speaker 4: do and you break said rules, or maybe if you
Speaker 4: don't even agree to sign it, you can be kicked
Speaker 4: out of your conference. That's the one thing that Trust me,
Speaker 4: I'm far from a legal expert, but I don't know
Speaker 4: how you could come to a school and say, if
Speaker 4: you don't agree to sign this, then we're going to
Speaker 4: kick you out of the conference. I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: really know how you'd be able to do that. But again,
Speaker 4: what do I know? So I'm kind of excited about
Speaker 4: this because it does give us some I mean, it
Speaker 4: gives if this works out, this will give us a
Speaker 4: much more I guess, less hectic version of college sports
Speaker 4: to where you really just have no clue what's allowed,
Speaker 4: what's not, what's going on. And I think for us,
Speaker 4: you know, we care about it so much where we
Speaker 4: love the college programs in this state U of l
Speaker 4: UK to where really regardless of what's going on, how
Speaker 4: messy it is, how confusing it is, how unregulated things are. Like,
Speaker 4: we're still going to care, we're still going to be
Speaker 4: into it, but for the greater good of college sports
Speaker 4: for the foreseeable future, there needs to be some level
Speaker 4: of regulation, and it sounds like this is a big
Speaker 4: step in that direction. So again, what this would do
Speaker 4: the Big Ten, the SEC, the Big twelve, and the
Speaker 4: ACC this membership agreement. It would bind all these schools
Speaker 4: to follow new enforcement rules and would keep these schools
Speaker 4: from being able to sue overrule enforcement. Meaning if you
Speaker 4: sign off and you don't follow the rules and you
Speaker 4: get in trouble, you can't go file a lawsuit. You
Speaker 4: can't you know, you can't get to get your attorney
Speaker 4: to just say, hey, we'll fight it in court. We're
Speaker 4: gonna keep breaking the roles because we know technically if
Speaker 4: it gets to that point we're going to win. They're
Speaker 4: going to lose because they're not technically allowed to tell
Speaker 4: us we can't do that. It's against the law in
Speaker 4: some way. So this is if this works out. Where
Speaker 4: this is great is that you no longer have to
Speaker 4: worry about the seemingly never ending situation where we'll do
Speaker 4: whatever we want and if the NCUBA tells us we can't,
Speaker 4: we'll hire a lawyer and will win. I mean, there's
Speaker 4: been some athletes that have hired attorneys that tried to
Speaker 4: sue the nc DOUBLEA and not had success. We learned
Speaker 4: that recently. All those players that just wanted to randomly
Speaker 4: just claim that they have eligibility left and nobody knows
Speaker 4: where it comes from, they actually did not have success
Speaker 4: in court. We learned that last week and that's not
Speaker 4: a surprise. Although it is seems like a rare thing
Speaker 4: for the NCUABLEA to have success in the court room.
Speaker 4: That doesn't seem like it's happened in a long time.
Speaker 4: But any recent lawsuit that has been I think out
Speaker 4: there as a story when it comes to a school
Speaker 4: and fighting the n C double A. I don't know
Speaker 4: what the success rate is, but it feels like the
Speaker 4: NC double A has lost a lot of them, and
Speaker 4: to me, it seems like it never you're never gonna win.
Speaker 4: This would change all that to where all these schools
Speaker 4: are agreeing enough is enough. It's way too chaotic. Nobody
Speaker 4: really knows what the rules are, and if you do,
Speaker 4: you can break them and fire and hire a lawyer.
Speaker 4: If everybody agrees to this, which again I think that's
Speaker 4: easier said than done, that would make it to where
Speaker 4: you know, you've you've signed off saying that if you do,
Speaker 4: in fact break rules and don't follow them, you'll suffer
Speaker 4: the consequences and you won't be able to just sue
Speaker 4: to get out of it. So again, I feel like
Speaker 4: that's huge news. But I don't know, maybe it's just me,
Speaker 4: maybe I'm maybe I'm more interested in this stuff than others.
Speaker 4: But and it's not like it's really that interesting, like
Speaker 4: it's entertaining, but it's it's it's it seems like it's
Speaker 4: a big deal when it comes to the future of
Speaker 4: college sports, which is something I know that a lot
Speaker 4: of us care a lot about. And the n C
Speaker 4: double A, I mean that that alone, just just reading
Speaker 4: that headline, I mean, that's that's huge. That the n
Speaker 4: C Double A will seed enforcement of amateurism to the
Speaker 4: power conferences. And I guess Charlie Baker is looking at
Speaker 4: this as a situation where he realizes they are they're powerless,
Speaker 4: they can't really enforce anything, so they're letting these power
Speaker 4: conferences work together to say, Okay, everybody's going to have
Speaker 4: to agree, we'll work together and have our own system,
Speaker 4: and you're in or you're out, meaning you sign off
Speaker 4: and we all follow these rules. We don't hire lawyers
Speaker 4: and fight it in court or we you know, or
Speaker 4: you're out, which I don't really know how they could
Speaker 4: do that, but I think that would be because again,
Speaker 4: if you are someone willing to I guess, be against
Speaker 4: it and fight against it. The thought of you no
Speaker 4: longer being able to, like if you're if you're one
Speaker 4: of these schools in the Big twelve, Big ten sec ACC,
Speaker 4: if you if you felt that there was fear that
Speaker 4: you could be booted from your league, I mean, that
Speaker 4: would really make it to where your athletics department would
Speaker 4: no longer exist because not every school but nearly all
Speaker 4: of them rely heavily on the annual check they get
Speaker 4: from their conference as far as the revenue share, the
Speaker 4: grant of rights. So anyways, we'll keep you updated that
Speaker 4: that's been developing throughout the afternoon. Again the Front Office
Speaker 4: Sports story as far as as the NCAA, I guess
Speaker 4: confirming the report from Dellinger that yeah, we're we're we're
Speaker 4: going to. I mean that that just came out within
Speaker 4: the last couple of hours, so we'll keep you updated
Speaker 4: if there's more info that comes from that along the way. Today,
Speaker 4: a lot of other things we'll get into and as
Speaker 4: I try to make the most of these last I
Speaker 4: guess this is the eighth show left, so we'll finish strong.
Speaker 4: We've got this week and then next week before I
Speaker 4: make the move to early early mornings on news Radio
Speaker 4: eight forty whas which I woke up this morning at
Speaker 4: three forty five, just randomly, and I got up use
Speaker 4: the restroom. I went and got something to drink, and
Speaker 4: I realized starting June, in June, I'll be like I
Speaker 4: will have already had to have been up for probably
Speaker 4: twenty thirty minutes, which is a really it was a
Speaker 4: pretty scary thing to think about. But you know, I'm
Speaker 4: sure I'll Here's what I'm hopeful for, Austin, is that
Speaker 4: I'll I'll adjust, But I don't know if it ever
Speaker 4: gets easy, right, I'll get used to it. But I
Speaker 4: just I don't think there's a scenario where I just
Speaker 4: wake up automatically ready to start the day at three
Speaker 4: point fifteen in the morning. Yeah, just I mean, that's impossible.
Speaker 3: I think kind of makes you feel more appreciative of
Speaker 3: how mister Kruz does it and now just the company man.
Speaker 4: Company man's been doing it for a long time.
Speaker 3: I see he's got a newborn baby. My heart goes
Speaker 3: out to him for being able to do that. But
Speaker 3: maybe him and his wife have made it work. So yeah,
Speaker 3: he doesn't. He does a good job of not like
Speaker 3: of leaving everything at home kind of like at the
Speaker 3: door unless she's just kind of tell you about like
Speaker 3: what's going on with like his family, but you wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to tell you, like if he's stressed or
Speaker 3: not outside of work, because he's a company man. He's
Speaker 3: a true pros he's the he's earned the title.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can see and I'm not speaking for
Speaker 4: him at all, so trust me, if you know, John,
Speaker 4: we're just we're just remove him from the conversation because
Speaker 4: I don't want to make it seem as if like
Speaker 4: I'm sharing something that he's shared with me, because I
Speaker 4: don't bring any of that stuff up and I talk
Speaker 4: to him because I just feel like, hey, I don't
Speaker 4: want to over you know, I just leave him be
Speaker 4: because I just imagine the early wake up call, the
Speaker 4: early wake up calls that he has. But also like
Speaker 4: you know, he's probably not getting a whole lot of
Speaker 4: sleep before he has to get up at three thirty
Speaker 4: in the morning because he's got an infantite home. But
Speaker 4: like I know, whenever, whenever we had our first I
Speaker 4: was eager to get back to work. Like I was,
Speaker 4: I was to the point where I needed to get
Speaker 4: out of the house. And it was nice to kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, just just not not like I was running
Speaker 4: away from my responsibility of you know, taking care of
Speaker 4: a human being who I you know, brought into this
Speaker 4: world with my lovely wife, but just you know, some
Speaker 4: time to yourself, and even if that's work, it does
Speaker 4: kind of just get you away to you know, know,
Speaker 4: right to breathe a little bit. It probably sounded bad
Speaker 4: if you if you know you've never been in that situation,
Speaker 4: but I think it's not like to go get some milk. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 4: And also it was great, like as much of it,
Speaker 4: as much as it was a challenge for for my
Speaker 4: wife and I'm sure a lot of other wives to
Speaker 4: have to go back to work for the first time
Speaker 4: after you've had your first kid, because you've got the
Speaker 4: postpartum and you know, you're you've probably been attached to
Speaker 4: your infant nearly every second of the day until that
Speaker 4: day happens whenever you have to go back to work
Speaker 4: and your maternity leaves over. But it's also good for
Speaker 4: you and I I mean, I know for my wife
Speaker 4: it was hard at first, but in the end of acting,
Speaker 4: when once you find that balance, it's it's you know,
Speaker 4: it all works out. But yeah, I'll be up early
Speaker 4: starting in June. And again I'm not I'm not sure
Speaker 4: it's ever gonna be easy, but over time, I suppose
Speaker 4: I'll get I'll get used to it, and uh yeah,
Speaker 4: looking forward to it, but also gonna you know, gonna
Speaker 4: be sad to move on from seven to ninety. But
Speaker 4: we'll make the most of the time we have left,
Speaker 4: that's for sure, all right, coming up what I want
Speaker 4: to get to. On the other side, we talked yesterday
Speaker 4: about a new addition to the Louisville roster, somebody we'd
Speaker 4: never heard of, Mohammed Kamara, who is from the NBA
Speaker 4: Academy Africa. I'll admit, and I talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 4: I don't know anything about him. I just know that
Speaker 4: he committed to Louisville yesterday, and that's the first time
Speaker 4: I've heard of him. There's not the exact same situation
Speaker 4: going on in Lexington, but there is a you know,
Speaker 4: top thirty five ish recruit that is going to announce
Speaker 4: his college decision, I believe this evening, and he's considering
Speaker 4: Kentucky among some other schools. I won't lie and act
Speaker 4: like I know a whole lot about like his recruitment
Speaker 4: and where he's going to go, But this, to me,
Speaker 4: I think will be a similar situation of what happened
Speaker 4: with Louisville, to where you just kind of ended up
Speaker 4: with somebody you'd never really heard about or knew much
Speaker 4: about that ends up taking one of your final roster spots.
Speaker 4: And I just think that's going to maybe be a
Speaker 4: new norm moving forward, because there's a lot of moves.
Speaker 4: It's really a game of musical chairs when you're building
Speaker 4: your roster in the off season right now with the portal,
Speaker 4: with you know, the high school recruits and guys that
Speaker 4: you know you're hope and come back, and then you'
Speaker 4: got guys that maybe are testing the NBA process and
Speaker 4: then you think they're gonna come back but they don't,
Speaker 4: so you may end up with, Okay, here we are,
Speaker 4: the dust is settled. We still have a couple of
Speaker 4: scholarships available. You know, let's kind of start start from scratch,
Speaker 4: almost and see what's out there and see what we
Speaker 4: can go at. I don't know if that's what happened
Speaker 4: with tomorrow yesterday who committed, but I just think it's
Speaker 4: going to be a new world. It already is a
Speaker 4: new world as far as how you build your roster
Speaker 4: every year in college basketball. And I think if Kentucky
Speaker 4: gets a commitment tonight, it'll be another sign that, you know,
Speaker 4: just expect that maybe when you get down to late May,
Speaker 4: early June and there's one, maybe two spots left, you
Speaker 4: know they're gonna try to use that. I think leaving
Speaker 4: scholarships open is just a waste, and I don't think
Speaker 4: coaches will be wise to do that moving forward, because
Speaker 4: even if you if you use a scholarship on a
Speaker 4: guy and you find out down the line it wasn't
Speaker 4: a good scholarship to use because the kid can't play,
Speaker 4: one or two things will happen. He'll read the room
Speaker 4: and leave, and you'll have that scholarship back the next year,
Speaker 4: or you can let them know, Hey, it didn't work out,
Speaker 4: and we think that you know, it'll be best for
Speaker 4: you to move on because it didn't work out. So
Speaker 4: also we're gonna be talking coming up here three forty
Speaker 4: five with doctor Eric maclrot Prora have physical therapy. Looking
Speaker 4: forward to catching up with him. So we've got a
Speaker 4: lot from now up until six. So hang out with us,
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Speaker 4: for it, all right. So the recruit that I guess
Speaker 4: is looking at Yeah, he's going to make his decision tonight.
Speaker 4: It's seven o'clock. He is a four star. Yeah, Hawthorne
Speaker 4: is his last name. I don't know why I'm blanket
Speaker 4: on his first name, but yeah, his name is Brayden
Speaker 4: Hawthorne and he's going to announce tonight between Kentucky Duke Pitt,
Speaker 4: West Virginia and Virginia Tech. He's a six' eight. Wing,
Speaker 4: really his rankings are all over the. Place some have
Speaker 4: him as high as in the top, forties some have
Speaker 4: him closer to the. Eighties but either, way this is
Speaker 4: a guy THAT i feel, like Probably kentucky, fans Maybe i'm.
Speaker 4: Wrong maybe if you follow it like super, closely you've
Speaker 4: been aware of this guy for a long, time but
Speaker 4: it kind of seems like it it kind of popped
Speaker 4: up out of. Nowhere and this, guy by the, way
Speaker 4: did in fact make a significant jump in the recent.
Speaker 4: Rankings the only Reason i'm bringing all this up is
Speaker 4: Because kentucky get end up with a six seven six
Speaker 4: eight wing who's a top thirty ish top forty ish
Speaker 4: player that they probably didn't even know a whole lot
Speaker 4: about prior to a couple weeks, ago or maybe even.
Speaker 4: Sooner and that's just unusual around. Here BUT i think
Speaker 4: when you get to the end of THE i would
Speaker 4: say the, Portal but then, again like the transfer portal's
Speaker 4: been closed for a while, now and clearly there's still
Speaker 4: players out, there but the majority of the guys that
Speaker 4: are still available in the portal are testing THE nba
Speaker 4: draft situation and will probably make a decision soon to come.
Speaker 4: Back but even those, guys it seems to be pretty
Speaker 4: clear that they know where they're going to end up
Speaker 4: if they do decided to come. Back in, fact some
Speaker 4: of the guys that are testing the waters have not
Speaker 4: even entered the portal, right meaning if they come, back
Speaker 4: they're going where they played last. Year so with this
Speaker 4: news as well As Mohammed kamara committing yesterday To louisville
Speaker 4: seemingly out of, NOWHERE i don't want to say, that,
Speaker 4: well we should just expect this every, year BUT i
Speaker 4: really wouldn't wouldn't be shocked if that's how it plays,
Speaker 4: out because you're going to have a certain amount of
Speaker 4: scholarships every year available to go get guys in the,
Speaker 4: portal and you probably will already have some guys signed
Speaker 4: from the high school. Ranks but then you'll, realize, hey
Speaker 4: we didn't get what we wanted in the portal at
Speaker 4: this one. Position we have this scholarship. Left let's reevaluate
Speaker 4: what's available in both the portal but also the high school,
Speaker 4: ranks and there's really no risk at taking a chance
Speaker 4: on a guy because it's just one. YEAR i, mean
Speaker 4: it's a one. Year it's always been a one year.
Speaker 4: Commitment BUT i Remember Chris mack told me this years
Speaker 4: ago that when it comes to, recruiting some of the
Speaker 4: biggest mistakes you can make are believing a guy has
Speaker 4: something that you end up finding out doesn't as far
Speaker 4: as the ability to develop and. Whatnot and, yes you
Speaker 4: can move on from a player if you. WANT i
Speaker 4: guess your scholarship is technically a one year renewal every.
Speaker 4: Year but that wasn't the way things, were, RIGHT i,
Speaker 4: mean you didn't see. GUYS i mean it was rare
Speaker 4: if a guy was, told, hey hit you, know see it.
Speaker 4: Later and most kids didn't want to transfer because they
Speaker 4: didn't want to sit out a. Year SO i guess
Speaker 4: technically you weren't stuck with, Players but it was just
Speaker 4: a different world to where most coaches probably just, Realized,
Speaker 4: LOOK i asked his kid to come play for. Me
Speaker 4: he's not quite as good AS i thought he was
Speaker 4: going to. Be he's not progressing as quickly AS i would.
Speaker 4: Like but you, know he took a chance on, me
Speaker 4: AND i took a chance on.
Speaker 3: Him and here we.
Speaker 4: Are now it's, WELL i, mean you, know you wouldn't
Speaker 4: feel as bad at all by kind of showing the
Speaker 4: kid the door or maybe just having a conversation, saying,
Speaker 4: HEY i think it's probably best for you if you
Speaker 4: move on and here's here's here's the way you can do.
Speaker 4: IT i, mean even if there was a resistance because
Speaker 4: a kid didn't want to, leave, well, NOW i, mean
Speaker 4: just don't pay, them, RIGHT i mean nil IS i,
Speaker 4: MEAN i feel like every player on a basketball team
Speaker 4: at a power program or even maybe a power, conference
Speaker 4: they're getting something for. Nil they're not ALL i, Mean
Speaker 4: i'm sure there's a wide range of what the top
Speaker 4: players get and the guys who ride the. Bench but
Speaker 4: let me give you an. Example Big, frank who transferred To
Speaker 4: louisville last year was a guy who rarely, played but you,
Speaker 4: know he's probably The he was the last GUY i
Speaker 4: think added to the roster and he rarely ever, played
Speaker 4: and he embraced that. Role but he didn't do that for.
Speaker 4: Nothing i'm SURE i don't think he came To louisville
Speaker 4: with the you, know with with the agreement of, YEAH
Speaker 4: i want no nil. Money whenever clearly he could go
Speaker 4: elsewhere and get. Money so if there is you, know some,
Speaker 4: RESISTANCE i, mean just you, know put it this, way
Speaker 4: IF i, said, Hey, Austin i'm gonna let you know right,
Speaker 4: now we are going to have to recruit over, You
Speaker 4: we're just we're really needing a specific guy to come
Speaker 4: in and fill that. Role that's that's more, experienced that's
Speaker 4: from the. Portal we we wish it would have worked out,
Speaker 4: best but we think you probably would be better suited
Speaker 4: to also portal and maybe find the new spot and
Speaker 4: we'll be able to help you along the way if
Speaker 4: we need. To and If austin responded with you that's,
Speaker 4: OKAY i don't mind riding the. Bench, well then IF i, said,
Speaker 4: okay well that's, fine but you get no innil, money
Speaker 4: that would probably incentivize you to, say, okay WELL i
Speaker 4: am going to, leave you know WHAT i? Mean Right,
Speaker 4: Like that's just so taking a taking a chance on
Speaker 4: a kid is really there's not a whole lot of
Speaker 4: risk on it because if it doesn't work, out that
Speaker 4: scholarship can be can be available and you, know just
Speaker 4: the next year if you need. To and by the,
Speaker 4: Way i'd never recruit over you, ever you're. Safe Thank,
Speaker 4: yeah the il deal is going to be a good
Speaker 4: situation for. You it's just Free. Thornton's that's a pretty good,
Speaker 4: deal is it. Not, yes that's the best, deal the
Speaker 4: best deal they could. OFFER i, think at, least you,
Speaker 4: know in my. Mind all, Right SO i mentioned this
Speaker 4: at the beginning of the. Show we've got some more
Speaker 4: storms coming our way this, evening And woky our partners
Speaker 4: over there At channel thirty two w oka Why they've
Speaker 4: put together something THAT i believe is more needed than
Speaker 4: you might. Expect and that is a great very you,
Speaker 4: know this is basically a breakdown for dummies as far
Speaker 4: as what is truly you, know the warnings like warning and.
Speaker 4: Watch do you know how many people get confused about
Speaker 4: tornado warning and tornado watch as far as like which
Speaker 4: one is more?
Speaker 3: Severe it wouldn't shock me if there is a lot
Speaker 3: of people that just get that.
Speaker 4: Connunce, yeah they get, it they get it.
Speaker 3: CONFUSED i GUESS i really don't, know BUT i would
Speaker 3: assume that the tornado warning is worse.
Speaker 4: So a watch. Is and this is, again this is
Speaker 4: that this is the Reason i'm bringing this up is
Speaker 4: because they just put out an update reminding people that
Speaker 4: the THEN aa weather radio service is offline this week
Speaker 4: and it'll be basically you're not going to get those
Speaker 4: prompts on the radio this week if there's severe storms
Speaker 4: in your area because they're doing mandatory upgrades of the
Speaker 4: system which are needed in a major. Way so this
Speaker 4: is a major resource for how they let people know
Speaker 4: that there are severe weather watches and warnings across the.
Speaker 4: Region so they're just they're using their platform to let people.
Speaker 4: Know if you're somebody that just waits to hear it
Speaker 4: on your radio dial that it's, severe don't do that
Speaker 4: because it won't be coming, however because there's because there's no.
Speaker 4: Update so that's something that people should know. About but
Speaker 4: when looking at this report they just put, out it
Speaker 4: does give a nice. Breakdown it's a severe weather god
Speaker 4: from the one and ONLY J cardosi OF woky and
Speaker 4: a watch is not as severe as a, Warning so
Speaker 4: the duration of a watch can be several. Hours the
Speaker 4: duration of a warning can be twenty minutes to one.
Speaker 4: Hour the coverage area for a watch is portions of.
Speaker 4: States the coverage area for warnings or portions of. Counties
Speaker 4: advanced notice for a watch is hours advanced notice for
Speaker 4: a warning is. Minutes the action you should take for
Speaker 4: a watch is have a. Plan the action you should
Speaker 4: take for a warning is take. Cover. That that may sound,
Speaker 4: really really obvious to a lot of, people people who
Speaker 4: may have known that for as long as they can,
Speaker 4: remember But i'm telling you there's probably more people out
Speaker 4: there than you realize that get. Confused, okay wait a.
Speaker 4: Second If i'm, watching DO i need to watch out?
Speaker 2: For? It is the?
Speaker 4: Warning, like, hey, warning there could be a watch coming.
Speaker 4: AGAIN i know it sounds stupid to some, people BUT
Speaker 4: i know many that have oftentimes got the two. Confused
Speaker 4: AND i, MEAN i don't know of it ever causing
Speaker 4: any type of disaster to where you've you, know it's
Speaker 4: put you in, Danger but when you have a tornado
Speaker 4: in your state that has killed nineteen, PEOPLE i, MEAN
Speaker 4: i think people need to know this. Stuff and if
Speaker 4: there's one person listening That i've somehow helped get that
Speaker 4: thing cleared, up THEN i feel Like i've at least
Speaker 4: helped in some. Way so, AGAIN i don't know exactly
Speaker 4: what type of severity we're going to see this, evening
Speaker 4: but stay, safe. Everybody all, right let's do this let's
Speaker 4: take a quick. Break we'll come back on the other
Speaker 4: side and bring him. In he's Doctor eric McElroy from
Speaker 4: Pro Rehaf Physical. Therapy looking forward to catching up with,
Speaker 4: him and we'll keep this thing rolling, along taking you
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Speaker 4: are is he already?
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Speaker 4: Austin it looks like he's already. ON i don't. KNOW
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Speaker 4: some behind the. Scenes well let me give him a better. Introduction,
Speaker 4: yeah there we. Go it's Doctor eric, McElroy pro Rehap Physical. Therapy.
Speaker 4: Yeah so hopefully you guys didn't say any curse. WORDS
Speaker 4: i know you. DIDN'T i know you. Wouldn't but, anyway
Speaker 4: Is eric good to have you back? On my? Man
Speaker 4: how was how's life?
Speaker 5: Been it's been, great, MAN i can't come playing. Busy you,
Speaker 5: know we're in the uh we're a little ahead of,
Speaker 5: YOU i, Think, uh but we're like uber drivers driving
Speaker 5: our kids the sports all the time and unpaid uber
Speaker 5: drivers and then, uh you, know out of town at
Speaker 5: soccer tournaments and basketball or. Whatever so, uh it's. AWESOME
Speaker 5: i love it, though you, know as exhausting as in
Speaker 5: AS i love everything ounce of. It so that's. Good.
Speaker 4: Yep at least four four of my days throughout the
Speaker 4: week or are they include baseball and, uh you know
Speaker 4: soon it'll be football again and then basketball and you,
Speaker 4: know without even realizing that that's not my, life but
Speaker 4: it's it's it's fun, stuff AND i Know i'll miss
Speaker 4: it one day, whenever, uh whenever it's. Gone so glad
Speaker 4: to hear things are going well with. You there's a
Speaker 4: few injuries THAT i wanted to to to chat with you.
Speaker 4: About one is is is not a recent, injury but
Speaker 4: it led to a retirement decision From Derek carr that
Speaker 4: obviously Put Tyler shuck in a situation where he may
Speaker 4: be able to play pretty early for The New Orleans.
Speaker 4: Saints but with cars, injury it stems from him having
Speaker 4: an issue with his, shoulder and the decision to retire
Speaker 4: was essentially because he didn't want to have the surgery
Speaker 4: that was. Needed so is a laborl, tear rotator cuff
Speaker 4: damage and his right throwing. Shoulder it sounds like he
Speaker 4: went through non surgical, treatments including different. INJECTIONS i know
Speaker 4: he did a lot of rehabit sounds, like but it
Speaker 4: didn't Get he didn't get the results THAT i guess he,
Speaker 4: wanted and he was told that surgery was going to
Speaker 4: be the only way he could get out there and play.
Speaker 4: AGAIN i just get you, KNOW i know every situation is,
Speaker 4: different as we've discussed many, times but whenever he's going
Speaker 4: through those non surgical you, know treatments and trying to
Speaker 4: basically get healthy without the, surgery is that more so
Speaker 4: just trying to just see if he can heal on its,
Speaker 4: own or is he just trying to buy time? There you?
Speaker 2: Think DO i think he's.
Speaker 5: Trying to buy? TIME i, mean the complexity of the
Speaker 5: surgery was going to put him out substantial length of,
Speaker 5: time and then, you're you, know you're looking at the
Speaker 5: guy on the obviously tail end of his career already
Speaker 5: probably lost, velocity uh in. Accuracy and then you add
Speaker 5: into the fact that you're gonna have to sit out
Speaker 5: as long as he has eat into next seat or
Speaker 5: as long as he need to eating next, season especially
Speaker 5: if he's got rotator cuff damage they're going to have to.
Speaker 5: REPAIR i think he's taking that all. In when you're
Speaker 5: doing the rehab, process sometimes you can get them. Back
Speaker 5: you'd be surprised that what we can do to get
Speaker 5: people back if you were to see it just on the,
Speaker 5: image and you'd be, like no. Way but there's a
Speaker 5: lot of you, know first of, all the human body
Speaker 5: is an amazing thing. Too you know when you're when
Speaker 5: you're working with what we call synergistic muscle, Groups so
Speaker 5: you're basically trying to, say, right you know what to
Speaker 5: we utilize it does a similar? Thing is the area
Speaker 5: that's damaged and and then how can we incorporate that
Speaker 5: and into the rehab, process into the performance side of
Speaker 5: things so they can still perform at the level they
Speaker 5: need to given the trauma to whatever. Area let's say
Speaker 5: we'll say the rotator cuff in this, case it sounds
Speaker 5: like that it was too far gone and and you,
Speaker 5: know maybe he can function and move around and do
Speaker 5: the things he wants to. Do but there's a big
Speaker 5: difference between doing that or even throwing a football with a,
Speaker 5: kid as there is getting out there in AN nfl
Speaker 5: game and having to throw the football like he's gonna need.
Speaker 5: To and you, KNOW i think when you when you
Speaker 5: look at all those, variables and to be, honest there's
Speaker 5: no guarantee he's gonna come back from that and and
Speaker 5: still be the, SAME i, mean and still be able
Speaker 5: to do the things he. Wants AND i think that's
Speaker 5: probably another conversation he's been, having Is i'm gonna go
Speaker 5: through all, this go through the rehab process, again even
Speaker 5: more challenging than What i've been doing in a lot of,
Speaker 5: ways and there's no, guarantee uh That i'm gonna be
Speaker 5: Where i've been before this injury. Happened you, know it's probably,
Speaker 5: like all, right that's. TIME i don't you, Know I'M
Speaker 5: i don't have the the grind anymore to go through.
Speaker 5: That AND i think THAT'S i respect, that. SURE i,
Speaker 5: MEAN i THINK i respect you know that these guys
Speaker 5: at the end of their, career it's, like you, know
Speaker 5: it's not worth it to me.
Speaker 4: Anymore, know, Yeah AND i think, again if you, know you,
Speaker 4: know and it probably wasn't an easy thing to. Do
Speaker 4: but if you feel fulfilled in your career and you
Speaker 4: as you, mentioned you look at that rough that tough
Speaker 4: road ahead as far as, rehabbing and knowing that you
Speaker 4: still couldn't even maybe be back to the same, GUY i,
Speaker 4: MEAN i don't think the decision is really that. Surprising
Speaker 4: but another thing is if you're going, through if you're
Speaker 4: just gonna try to play and get the injections and,
Speaker 4: REHAB i, mean you might be able to fight through the,
Speaker 4: pain but you also might, know, Yeah i'm still nowhere
Speaker 4: near the QUARTERBACK i need to be to have, success
Speaker 4: and that's probably a tough thing to. Realize but, again
Speaker 4: if you, know you, know so, uh you know that
Speaker 4: that decision certainly will hopefully bode well For Tyler shuck
Speaker 4: and it gives him a chance to play right.
Speaker 5: Away it put him in a great, opportunity and, honestly you,
Speaker 5: know he could Probably i'm Sure Darren carr is, like,
Speaker 5: HEY i can be around and be a resource for.
Speaker 5: YOU i, MEAN i think that's probably the one. THING i,
Speaker 5: Mean i'd hate to see him just walk from the
Speaker 5: team and Then Tyler shuck not have kind of a
Speaker 5: veteran there to be able to pick his, brain but you,
Speaker 5: know it is what it. Is he's pretty much a
Speaker 5: vetch and at this, point, yeah it's a great opportunity
Speaker 5: for him to just step in and hopefully get that, spot.
Speaker 4: No doubt about. It Doctor eric, mclroys our, guest you're
Speaker 4: joining us from pro reap physical. THERAPY a big injury
Speaker 4: in THE nba that was really devastating last week As Jason.
Speaker 4: Tatum it seems as if those who watched it knew
Speaker 4: right away that it looked like An achilles, situation and
Speaker 4: that's exactly what it, was a Ruptured achilles. Tendon he
Speaker 4: had surgery right. AFTER i know The achilles injuries have
Speaker 4: come up quite a bit in our conversations over the.
Speaker 4: Years what do you expect when it comes to the
Speaker 4: rehab process? Here obviously he's expected to miss all of next,
Speaker 4: season WHICH i think is pretty pretty standard as far
Speaker 4: as the amount of. Time but from from now and
Speaker 4: when would when would those working With Jayson, tatum one
Speaker 4: of the best basketball players on the, planet, like what's
Speaker 4: the timeline for, actually you, know putting weight on that
Speaker 4: foot and you, know just baby steps as far as
Speaker 4: trying to kind of start the rehab, process because this
Speaker 4: is one that clearly it's still one of the injuries
Speaker 4: that is rather. COMMON i, mean it doesn't happen every,
Speaker 4: day but it's not uncommon to see in, basketball and
Speaker 4: it'll put you on the shelf for quite a.
Speaker 5: While, YEAH i, mean it's, uh it's one of the
Speaker 5: more challenging things to come back. From we've talked about this.
Speaker 5: Before you know that the tele attendon ruptures or quad
Speaker 5: tendon ruptures or or two of the probably hardest things
Speaker 5: to come back from because you've got to give the
Speaker 5: tendon time to heal and and if you start to
Speaker 5: contract that muscle too, soon it's gonna pull on the.
Speaker 5: Tendon and what what what we don't want to happen
Speaker 5: is it stresses the even though it may not quote
Speaker 5: unquote rerupture pull, apart it'll stretch too. Far and then
Speaker 5: if you could think about just, levers you have kind
Speaker 5: of a loose lever and that doesn't correlate to explosive you, know,
Speaker 5: explosiveness much less being able to power through. Walking even,
Speaker 5: so there's that it's really fragile early on when they
Speaker 5: do that repairs in a general. WAY i mean everything's
Speaker 5: a little. Different some sometimeframes are a little, loose but you,
Speaker 5: know generally, speaking that first six weeks he's not doing,
Speaker 5: anything probably not way bearing uh in a food protecting
Speaker 5: the surgical. Repair depending on the repair and the severity of,
Speaker 5: it you, know you may start getting you, know getting
Speaker 5: around in your. Boot, uh but you're gonna keep it
Speaker 5: in the boot where the heel is, elevated so that
Speaker 5: way the tendon has this opportunity to so there's wedges
Speaker 5: in the boot to keep his you, know heel above his,
Speaker 5: toes if you. Will and then that way that tendon
Speaker 5: has the best opportunity to heal down because what you
Speaker 5: want is the tendon to have obviously to be able
Speaker 5: to have a lot of tension in, it so that
Speaker 5: way it'll be a, spring it'll it'll pre over produced.
Speaker 5: Power so that's what they're gonna do in the next
Speaker 5: you don't, know four weeks ish, uh and then you
Speaker 5: start transitioning out of the. Boot he's already started the
Speaker 5: rehab process at that. Point. Uh and then you, know
Speaker 5: early on you're just trying to make sure that the
Speaker 5: decisions are healing, well, uh the mobility is coming back
Speaker 5: to a reasonable. Level make sure they don't get it
Speaker 5: what's caught a contractor they don't get stuck with their
Speaker 5: toes pointed, down and then you, know you start. Transit
Speaker 5: you also start working on everything. Else so you, know
Speaker 5: for an athlete, especially you want to you don't want
Speaker 5: him to, fall you, know too far behind as far
Speaker 5: as this, can conditioning and whatnot, goes even though then
Speaker 5: they may have the off season doesn't. Matter so you're
Speaker 5: working on strength in other areas because you, know being
Speaker 5: non weight bearing for a short period of, time you
Speaker 5: could surprise how weak you get just in that whole
Speaker 5: up extremity for, instance that whole. Leg and then you,
Speaker 5: know working on you know. Whatever you can do all
Speaker 5: kinds of different things and be, creative but you're basically
Speaker 5: trying to keep them, moving get them, moving get other areas,
Speaker 5: strong make sure that they're not too, sedentary and then
Speaker 5: start integrating, in you, know gradually more for recisteans as
Speaker 5: far as weight bearing walking obviously you, know, strength, agility
Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff starts to come over the
Speaker 5: next several.
Speaker 4: Months ANOTHER nba injury that is still it doesn't impact
Speaker 4: the postseason moving forward because The nuggets did. Lose BUT
Speaker 4: i was surprised to see the reporting prior To game
Speaker 4: seven On sunday That Aaron gordon of The nuggets he
Speaker 4: had had a hamstring. It it was listed as A
Speaker 4: grade two level hamstring, strain and from WHAT i could,
Speaker 4: tell it looks like a pretty significant injury that that
Speaker 4: typically would take some time to. Recover, however he. Did
Speaker 4: he chose to play In game. Seven he played had
Speaker 4: eight points eleven boards in twenty five. Minutes it later
Speaker 4: came out That Nikola jokic advised him not to play
Speaker 4: just because he realized that he would be in a
Speaker 4: lot of pain AND i guess could further injure. HIMSELF
Speaker 4: i guess my, question first, off when you hear of
Speaker 4: a guy that had a grade level to A grade
Speaker 4: two left hamstring, STRAIN i guess there can be different you,
Speaker 4: KNOW i guess there's different levels to. That although it
Speaker 4: does say great. TOO i, mean the fact that he
Speaker 4: did play was that was that? Surprising because it did
Speaker 4: come out after the fact that some folks were saying
Speaker 4: that maybe there should be better protocols in place to
Speaker 4: protect players from making that. Decision it got me back
Speaker 4: to a conversation we've had, before is if there's medical
Speaker 4: folks telling a guy he can't, go can they can
Speaker 4: they actually tell him, no you're not allowed to play?
Speaker 4: It it seems like he wanted to play and there
Speaker 4: was he wasn't going to take no for an. Answer
Speaker 4: what was this?
Speaker 5: Line eight?
Speaker 4: Points, yeah he had eight points and eleven boards in
Speaker 4: twenty five, minutes and he was. Relective yeah he.
Speaker 5: WAS i, mean you, KNOW i don't, Know i'm a
Speaker 5: real you, know, like look, great two strain is pretty. Significant,
Speaker 5: uh usually it's self, limiting, right he can't even get
Speaker 5: out and do.
Speaker 4: Anything, YEAH i mean they acted before the game that
Speaker 4: there was no chance he'd ever be able to play at,
Speaker 4: all and then it was out there.
Speaker 5: Starting so what that what that tells me is and
Speaker 5: this is WHERE i could really nerd out and gotta
Speaker 5: be careful right, there go for. It we could go
Speaker 5: on forever about, this but you, know we have to
Speaker 5: remember that this is these muscles are, cylinders, like they're not, flat,
Speaker 5: Right so he could have been very fortunate and that
Speaker 5: the majority of the tear was in a way that
Speaker 5: it allowed other muscles to almost take the load off
Speaker 5: of it right, now that makes. Sense stressed as much
Speaker 5: as part of the. Other you, know your hamstrings are
Speaker 5: three separate, muscles and they just call the group of
Speaker 5: them the. Hamstrings so if it's one of them in,
Speaker 5: particular that and it may have been a certain part
Speaker 5: of the, Muscle so it could be closer to the.
Speaker 5: Hip it goes from your hip to below your. Knee
Speaker 5: it could be closer to the knee where even though
Speaker 5: it was the significant, strain meaning that about fifty percent
Speaker 5: of that portion of the muscle was, torn it may
Speaker 5: not been significant enough of where it is and where
Speaker 5: it was. Located then it impacted his ability to. Perform
Speaker 5: so that's why you don't base it off just imaging
Speaker 5: or just the. Injury you based off all, right given
Speaker 5: WHAT i, have what is he able to? Do and
Speaker 5: if he's out there in practice moving around and doing
Speaker 5: well and pain being the biggest, issue which is all
Speaker 5: these guys are in, pain but he can, perform Then
Speaker 5: i'm good with him. Playing you, KNOW i think that
Speaker 5: in some. Ways you, know it's just what if he
Speaker 5: tears it, More so he tears it, more you, know
Speaker 5: it's NOT i hate to say. It it's our job
Speaker 5: to give the best advice you possibly, can and whether
Speaker 5: they take that. Advice, now it's a performance issue at some,
Speaker 5: point Like i'm going to go to the coach and
Speaker 5: that he's not going to be doing very. Well, yeah
Speaker 5: but if he's looking good in practice and he's able
Speaker 5: to do move, around AND i test him in all
Speaker 5: the different ways we need to test, him like he's
Speaker 5: kicking the, boxes then why WOULD i hold him?
Speaker 1: Out?
Speaker 5: Uh and you, know and especially in a playoff. SITUATION
Speaker 5: i mean if it was a regular season, game it's
Speaker 5: a no. Brainer it's a playoff because, like you, know
Speaker 5: let's see what he. Does the worst case, scenario he
Speaker 5: can't do it and he got pulled. Out so it's
Speaker 5: different than he can't make a decision for. Himself he's
Speaker 5: concustour really. Bad he doesn't even know where he's. At
Speaker 5: that's a, difference you, know the. Circumstance, sure but he
Speaker 5: still wants to go. In you, know it's it's all, About,
Speaker 5: hey let's see how he's, doing how he's. Moving is
Speaker 5: there a, Risk, absolutely there's a, Risk but you, know
Speaker 5: if he's checking the, boxes THEN i don't have any
Speaker 5: reason why to keep them.
Speaker 4: Out have you had experiences with that in your career
Speaker 4: with an athlete that really kind of just didn't didn't
Speaker 4: want to hear anything anybody was saying about needing to
Speaker 4: take some time off to get to get, recovered and
Speaker 4: it's not worth it because you could further injure. YOURSELF i,
Speaker 4: MEAN i would imagine that's not that uncommon all the.
Speaker 5: Time And, nick you, know the hardest ones are high school.
Speaker 4: Kids, yeah and that makes. Sense i'm not that surprised by.
Speaker 5: That the hardest athletes to treat our high school. Athletes
Speaker 5: and because they're hard, head they're, hardheaded pro is a pro,
Speaker 5: understand they're getting, paid they know what it means to
Speaker 5: perform at the top. Level bill take. Right a college,
Speaker 5: ATHLETE i hate to say it this. Way they're not,
Speaker 5: dumb like academically, dumb but they're they're there to just
Speaker 5: be told what to, do so they generally. Do they're
Speaker 5: like the. Military you tell them to do, it they're
Speaker 5: gonna do. It uh you tell you, know high, school
Speaker 5: the fear pressure is, huge the parents are in, control.
Speaker 4: The fear of missing out on. Moments i'm sure as
Speaker 4: a part of, it too correct they never get.
Speaker 5: Back it's the whole social, network yep of. It you,
Speaker 5: know the pressures from your kids are your your peers
Speaker 5: or so it's the. Hardest the parents think they know
Speaker 5: more than than they, do and so you're kind of
Speaker 5: dealing with all these if the coaches think they know
Speaker 5: more than they, do the communication between us and the
Speaker 5: coaches are so. So the high school kids are the.
Speaker 5: Hardest So i'm just very real with. Them i'm, like
Speaker 5: you know, what seventy percent of you is not gonna
Speaker 5: take is not gonna cut. It that's all you Can, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah you. Know i'm, like, hey, look you had seventy
Speaker 5: percent in very good. Man, Like i'm not saying that
Speaker 5: be it, mean not just saying like you're not gonna
Speaker 5: to be able to perform. Well and, also you, know
Speaker 5: the more we let this, go the longer you're gonna
Speaker 5: have to deal with. It the more we get it
Speaker 5: taken care of. You if you believe in What i'm,
Speaker 5: DOING i have no incentive to keep you. Out that's the.
Speaker 5: CONVERSATION i have have zero incentive to keep you. Out
Speaker 5: i'm doing this to protect, you AND i tell the
Speaker 5: parents the same, thing by the, way But i'm also
Speaker 5: going to do it the right. Way because you are
Speaker 5: young and, developing and we need to make sure when
Speaker 5: you go back that you're going back at the level
Speaker 5: that's expected and not just the level you, know you
Speaker 5: just think you're going, back and so being out there
Speaker 5: isn't going to cut. It so that's you, know and
Speaker 5: you're at risk for other. Injuries and they don't understand that,
Speaker 5: either and SO i think that that's you, know those
Speaker 5: are things those understand. That, yeah they get.
Speaker 4: It it's one of those things Where i'm hearing you
Speaker 4: say this And i'm, like, yeah that makes obvious. Sense
Speaker 4: but Then i'm thinking about trying to hear that from
Speaker 4: a from a sixteen or fifteen year old kid's, perspective
Speaker 4: with again just not thinking about anything other than just
Speaker 4: not don't. Care i'm gonna get out. THERE i got to.
Speaker 4: Play and, yeah you're saying things that you would just
Speaker 4: assume people will. Know, hey you have no incentive to
Speaker 4: keep somebody. Out you're not hopeful that they miss out
Speaker 4: on these, moments but you know you're doing your job
Speaker 4: and you've got to be real with, them and they're
Speaker 4: probably just it's probably going in one air and out
Speaker 4: the other with some of. Them i'm sure most of the.
Speaker 5: Time you, know you got to build a, trust, Right,
Speaker 5: yeah it's like, anything and you get their trust and
Speaker 5: they know that you're and you, know you got to
Speaker 5: give them a. Leash you got to give them a
Speaker 5: little you got to give them some. Wins you, know
Speaker 5: athletes don't want you to tell them they can't do,
Speaker 5: anything you, know and the anxiety that comes around that's not.
Speaker 4: Working, yeah that'd be a pretty defeated situation to be
Speaker 4: in if there's not those little wins along the way.
Speaker 5: Exactly, so, hey let's do, this let's let's get you to,
Speaker 5: practice let's do these. Things these are your, limitations but
Speaker 5: this is what you can. Do and, really when you're
Speaker 5: getting an athlete back to, sport you want to have
Speaker 5: them at their max. Threshold that, way you're closing the
Speaker 5: gap quicker when they're ready to go. PLAY i think
Speaker 5: some of my colleagues that may not be in that
Speaker 5: world enough cut people back too, far and then when
Speaker 5: you go to try to close the gap to get them,
Speaker 5: back there's too big of a, jump and then they
Speaker 5: may be at risk for a. Setbacks so my the
Speaker 5: WAY i said it, IS i, said where are they
Speaker 5: at right, now and what's, sir maximum threshold THAT i
Speaker 5: know they're, safe and THEN i keep raising that threshold
Speaker 5: so that way when we're time to get back to
Speaker 5: return to, practice return to, play and turn to. Performance
Speaker 5: that's kind of the levels you go. Through then you
Speaker 5: know we're we're right there and the kid and then
Speaker 5: the athletes can taste, it they can see, it they
Speaker 5: know that there's a process and it's not just they're
Speaker 5: holding me out because you want to be a jerk
Speaker 5: or want to be in.
Speaker 4: Control it's almost like a new, competition, right it's a.
Speaker 4: Process it's almost like in you, know developing your, game
Speaker 4: you're developing the recovery. Process now it makes makes total.
Speaker 4: Sense that's good. Stuff i've never really thought about. That
Speaker 4: but the high school, LEVEL i can see it being
Speaker 4: a much different thing than than college kids and pros as.
Speaker 4: Well so good stuff is Always.
Speaker 5: Nick be honest with. You IF i have a, pro
Speaker 5: sorry real. Quickly if you have a, pro they come
Speaker 5: in every, day. Right IF i have a college, athlete
Speaker 5: they're in the training, room they're working out every. Day
Speaker 5: so what happens is as a, kid, right there's a.
Speaker 5: Copay it's expensive sometimes for you, know depending on the
Speaker 5: plan they have other activities and. Obligations their parents are.
Speaker 4: Working, yeah they don't have a ride or.
Speaker 5: Something i'm, right twice or three times a week if we're.
Speaker 5: Lucky but the expectation on, us which is, fine the.
Speaker 5: Same So i'm, like, whoa, well who don't compare yourself
Speaker 5: To lebron or To tatum coming back from his because
Speaker 5: he's in. It he's working every. DAY i saw you
Speaker 5: twice last.
Speaker 4: Week, yeah that makes.
Speaker 5: Sense and you didn't do WHAT i told you to do,
Speaker 5: that you, know so uh, huh you have to and
Speaker 5: we have to be real because that's what they, think you.
Speaker 5: Know and then they's you, know parents will, say well
Speaker 5: what about this. Guy i'm, like you're comparing him to
Speaker 5: a pro a full grown. Man you. Know this kid's fifteen.
Speaker 4: Whose job is to to every day make sure he's prioritizing.
Speaker 4: Recovery whereas a kid's got, school he's got other things going. On,
Speaker 4: yeah different. World eric is always appreciate the. Time great
Speaker 4: to catch up with. You we will do it again,
Speaker 4: soon my.
Speaker 5: Friend, Awesome, nick have it going, man all?
Speaker 4: Right take. Care that's Doctor eric, McElroy prori Ephiscal. Therapy
Speaker 4: always always appreciate his, time good conversation. THERE i always
Speaker 4: learned during those, conversations and that's one that is does
Speaker 4: make total. Sense BUT i never really considered how much
Speaker 4: different it would. Be you, know the objective is always
Speaker 4: the same if it's a if it's a college, player
Speaker 4: if it's a, kid you want to get him, healthy
Speaker 4: you want to get back out. There but, man the
Speaker 4: process can be vastly. Different as you heard there from doctor,
Speaker 4: McElroy quick break will come, back keep this thing rolling.
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