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<v Speaker 1>It's nice eyes with Dan Ray. I'm going Razy Boston's

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much, Madison. My name is Dan Ray, the

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<v Speaker 2>aforementioned Dan Ray, the host of Knights I with Dan Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am delighted to be here as I am

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<v Speaker 2>always here most every night from eight to midnight, Monday

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<v Speaker 2>through Friday. Rob Brooks is back in the control room

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<v Speaker 2>ready to begin to take your phone calls during the

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock hour. But during this hour, as always, we

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<v Speaker 2>interview four really interesting guests on four interesting topics, and

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<v Speaker 2>we will begin that process forthwith like to welcome a

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<v Speaker 2>name that is very familiar, I think to most everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in our audience. Christopher Knight, a former member of the

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<v Speaker 2>Brady Bunch, but more importantly for tonight's purpose, host of

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<v Speaker 2>this year's Casino Night, fifteenth annual Casino Knight of the

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<v Speaker 2>great program called Journey Forward. Christopher Knight, Welcome. How are you, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>I am well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you I know that you've done a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of great work. But everybody associates you with the

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<v Speaker 2>Brady Bunch. Does a day ever go by when someone

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't look at you and give you one of those

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you or didn't you used to be?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not.

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<v Speaker 3>I think sometimes I haven't noticed it, so I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 3>that it's happened out of review. Yeah, you know, my

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<v Speaker 3>blessing is my curse exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It struck.

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<v Speaker 3>It struck early, but it glows warmly forever, and it

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<v Speaker 3>places me in a privileged position with the audience out

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<v Speaker 3>there and that were it's kind of transcended entertainment and

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<v Speaker 3>it's a representative now of family, of American family and

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<v Speaker 3>our ideal idea of what that is when it functions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, you have you kept your head on your shoulders.

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny I get to talk every once in a

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<v Speaker 2>while with well known actors or athletes or celebrities. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>simply a guy who worked in television here in Boston

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<v Speaker 2>and now who is in the mediocre for twilight career.

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<v Speaker 2>The twilight of a mediocre career, I should say. But

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<v Speaker 2>I've gotten interview from people, and the thing that's really amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think you fit that category. Just listening to

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<v Speaker 2>you for a minute is how down to worth people

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<v Speaker 2>who you don't think would be down to earth are

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<v Speaker 2>because of what they might have been gifted with early

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<v Speaker 2>on I recently had Pat Boone on who's now he's

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<v Speaker 2>like ninety two years old, Sharpest Attack and he's involved

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<v Speaker 2>in doing charity work in Africa. You just it's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>how people can take their blessings and carry forward. But

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<v Speaker 2>tonight we're not going to talk about Carrie Ford. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about Journey Forward. I'm very familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the Cummings family. I've done some stories with them, both

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<v Speaker 2>on television and radio, and you are the headliner. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not your first year doing this, as I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the correct.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, no, it's not. It's fifteen years now, but

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<v Speaker 3>over seventeen because we missed two years during COVID, so

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<v Speaker 3>that brings us back to two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 5>When was our first benefit. I believe we called the

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<v Speaker 5>Casino Knight. It wasn't at Kings in Denham. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know exactly when we began to have our casino Nights

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<v Speaker 5>in Denham, but it's been prohops ten years or longer now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet you it might have been at what was

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<v Speaker 2>Moseley's on the Charles.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds familiar. But now you're taxing my No.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand, I said. The reason is that is

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<v Speaker 2>that when I was in television back in Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>was in television from the seventies through the two thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to go to the events with them. They're

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful family. Obviously struck by a horrific diving accident. By

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<v Speaker 2>that one of the members of the Cummings family was struck.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have turned this into a positive and so

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<v Speaker 2>Dan is a remarkable story.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Dan coming, the youngest of the plant who unfortunately

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<v Speaker 3>at nineteen I believe it was summer, Yeah, what years

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<v Speaker 3>was I don't know. We dived into a pond and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't very deep. Unfortunately, it was night, it was dark,

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<v Speaker 3>and he nearly drowned, and he was immediately diagnosed as

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<v Speaker 3>a THESIX quadriplegic, a dependent quadruple. Yeah, and that's tragic.

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<v Speaker 3>But Dan has turned that tragedy into a triumph with

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<v Speaker 3>a sort of a special kind of courage.

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<v Speaker 2>That fair we're really we're really familiar with it. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>you know Matt Brown, who is a high school hockey

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<v Speaker 2>player who you may have met along the way, who

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<v Speaker 2>had done some things with Matt at the age of fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>he's done now in his early thirties, and has lived

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<v Speaker 2>longer in a wheelchair than he did, you know as

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<v Speaker 2>a boy. Yeah, you know, it's just incredible stories. And

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how bad a day I might have, you

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<v Speaker 2>always think about how lucky you are. And we don't

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<v Speaker 2>think about that as much, however, Is.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I do.

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<v Speaker 3>How quickly it can be taken away in.

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<v Speaker 2>A moment, And I remember hearing the story. I was

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<v Speaker 2>introduced to the Cummings family through a mutual friend named

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<v Speaker 2>a fella named Don Johnson, Not the actor Don Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>another Don Johnson, businessman here, so you will be there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about the specifics. This is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a week from excuse me, this is this Thursday. Tonight's

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<v Speaker 2>the twentieth. This is two nights from now, two nights,

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<v Speaker 2>two nights from now, Thursday, May twenty second, from six

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven. It's going to be a key six hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Legacy Place. Everybody in New England knows where Legacy Place

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<v Speaker 2>is in Debdam, Massachusetts. Uh, and it's it's it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be just a great event.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>There's all sorts of sponsorship activity options. There's all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of tickets that that can be bought. Uh. You guys

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<v Speaker 2>are going to raise a lot of money for a

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<v Speaker 2>great cause. The The website is simply journey hyphenfward dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's going to get you to this. You'll be there.

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<v Speaker 2>I assume you're You're going to be accessible and people

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna get a chance to come up and and

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<v Speaker 2>take a picture with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope absolutely. At this point, I am a life

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<v Speaker 3>size collectible. So yes, I lerics to photographics whomever wants

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<v Speaker 3>a photo, uh and uh, just to rotate through the

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<v Speaker 3>crowd and try to conduct although I do very little

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<v Speaker 3>conducting the evening because it's it's just a bunch of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We play.

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<v Speaker 3>Know there's there's gambling with funny money and raffles and.

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<v Speaker 5>Memorabilia uh that'll be auctioned off raft the tickets supporting that.

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<v Speaker 5>It's important to note that tickets are available on the website.

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<v Speaker 5>They are also available at.

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<v Speaker 3>The door on Thursday night at six o'clock. I believe

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<v Speaker 3>the door is open at.

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<v Speaker 5>Six and we would love to see as many people

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<v Speaker 5>they're supporting a Journey Forward because this is a a

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<v Speaker 5>local Canton outfit started by Dan Cummings for the benefit

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<v Speaker 5>of those enduring paralysis or spinal cord uh trauma or issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Journey forward bettering lives of those with paralysis. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>let me ask you real quickly, Christopher. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you obviously are involved in charitable activities, but what else

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing these days? My understanding is that you're

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<v Speaker 2>living a very busy life, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>give you a chance for people to catch up with

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<v Speaker 2>what what do you How are you besides doing this

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<v Speaker 2>charitable work? What else are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, like a rolling stone, I've gathered no month

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<v Speaker 3>because I have my hands in too many fires. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, segued out of entertainment boy. That would

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<v Speaker 3>have been late eighties, and I found myself in the

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<v Speaker 3>high tech space. I did retire from that in the

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<v Speaker 3>early two thousands. I found myself living in Silicon Valley,

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<v Speaker 3>but decided i'd re up and re entered the entertainment

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<v Speaker 3>industry again, moving back down to LA or moving back

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<v Speaker 3>home to LA because I had really just rented everything

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<v Speaker 3>out and with the idea that I needed to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out how to be in the entertainment industry while pursuing

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<v Speaker 3>other interests. Business interest. To me, it's sort of like

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<v Speaker 3>I need I need both and Luckily, a number of

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<v Speaker 3>years later, was offered an opportunity by a past business partner,

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<v Speaker 3>good friend to become a brand in the furniture space,

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<v Speaker 3>and Christopher Knight Home was the result. And now what

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<v Speaker 3>do we have? Fourteen years in to Christopher Night Home

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<v Speaker 3>and we're one of the largest brands online. It is

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<v Speaker 3>a online only brand. We're hoping sometime in the near

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<v Speaker 3>term to also become a retail brand.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Tremendous success story that I'm very lucky to have said

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<v Speaker 3>yes to. I guess my advice to anyone out there

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<v Speaker 3>is opportunities come along, and by saying no, there is

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<v Speaker 3>no opportunity, by saying you'd never know where even when

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<v Speaker 3>you doubt that there could be anything that comes from it.

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<v Speaker 3>I am you know, I'm amazed by how my life

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<v Speaker 3>has turned out. It's not by plan, it's but somehow

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<v Speaker 3>I'm being rewarded, perhaps for a path life I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you what you'll be rewarded for. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been rewarded for all the good things that you've done

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<v Speaker 2>along the way. And I think that I think, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's absolutely true, Okay, and I have it. I

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<v Speaker 2>think there's a big being up there that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>runs the show. But whether it's faith, kismick, karma, or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want, you surround yourself with good things and

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<v Speaker 2>good things will happen. So Christopher Knight home, okay people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I've been dealing with that and recently I started

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<v Speaker 3>a production company, former Prodigy, Inc. And we're working on

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<v Speaker 3>our next project. First product was a documentary on It

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<v Speaker 3>was called True Love the Film.

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<v Speaker 5>And it documents this wonderful personality, this young lady with

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<v Speaker 5>william syndrome, and it brought awareness to Williams. An award

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<v Speaker 5>winning documentary our first production. We're moving off now into

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<v Speaker 5>scripted endeavors and hope to be placing in front of

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<v Speaker 5>our audience out there for more producty project in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, boy, I tell you, get a busy lifestyle and

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the way to stay sharp. Christopher Knight, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much. Really enjoyed chatting with you. If I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't on air Thursday night, I'd be standing over there

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get a selfie with you. But thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be there in spirit, that's for sure. And please

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<v Speaker 2>say hi to the Cummings family and particularly Dan kits,

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<v Speaker 2>so I share it. Thank you, we share the first name.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Christopher, and thanks for the good work

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<v Speaker 2>you do. Christopher Knight, Ladies and gentlemen, Casino Knight on

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<v Speaker 2>to benefit, Journey Forward bettering lives of those with paralysis,

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<v Speaker 2>and the website Real Simple Journey hyphen Forward dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>That will be a great night. Hope you can join

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<v Speaker 2>them when we get back. We're going to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>another project which I think will be interesting. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to find out and you will as well, the derivation

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<v Speaker 2>of a Michelin Star or a Michelin Star restaurant. We

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<v Speaker 2>got an We have an interesting set of guests in

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<v Speaker 2>this hour, so stay with us. My name's Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Nightside and we will journey forward right after

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<v Speaker 2>this quick break on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Delighted to be joined by Will Gilson. He is the

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<v Speaker 2>chef and owner of Cambridge Street Hospitality Group. He grew

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<v Speaker 2>up in a New England farm and from there years

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<v Speaker 2>of culinary expertise. He serves award winning food to guests.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to welcome Will Gilson to the to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you tonight.

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<v Speaker 5>Will I'm doing all right.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, Dan, I'm doing just great.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard the term, and I'm sure most of ours

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<v Speaker 2>have heard the term a Michelin restaurant and Michelin stars,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know. I know a lot about food.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like food, but I always associate the

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<v Speaker 2>word Michelin with those four things on the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>my car tires. How did we get from Michelin tires

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<v Speaker 2>to Michelin stars at top notch restaurants, restaurants that you've

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<v Speaker 5>With, you know amazingly enough, the fact that you know

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<v Speaker 5>Michelin is a European thing. Uh, it actually is a

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<v Speaker 5>Of the goal was to try to create a guide

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<v Speaker 5>of different places that you could drive to so you'd

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<v Speaker 2>You're not making you're not making that up. That is

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<v Speaker 2>that's oh okay, all the sense in the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>so Michelin Guide is coming to Boston. I'm assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of restaurants are either going to be really

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I think the thing that's crazy about

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<v Speaker 5>Michelin coming to Boston is that so many of us

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<v Speaker 5>for so long thought that that was not something that

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<v Speaker 5>was going to be coming here. I mean, many of

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<v Speaker 5>us who have restaurants here believe that Boston is a

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<v Speaker 5>world class city, understand that it's one of the first

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<v Speaker 5>cities in America. But it's also you know, the type

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<v Speaker 5>of place where, you know, we don't always associate with

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<v Speaker 5>sort of glitz and glamour and sort of this higher end,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, echelon of what Michelin has been known, and

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<v Speaker 5>now that it's here, I think it's actually something really

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<v Speaker 2>So, so, is this the sort of thing where people

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<v Speaker 2>come into it to the restaurants You've got great restaurants,

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<v Speaker 2>as I understand that all the restaurants that I see

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<v Speaker 2>associated with your name are great restaurants. Do they come

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<v Speaker 2>in undercover or do you know they're there? How does

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<v Speaker 2>how does this game work? And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>I should use the word game, but obviously there's a

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<v Speaker 2>little competition going on here. I think. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So, I mean, as we have been told. Michelin inspectors

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<v Speaker 5>are already sort of been dispatched to the city to

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<v Speaker 5>in the city and how to you know, figure out

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<v Speaker 5>whether or not they meet the criteria of the guide,

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<v Speaker 5>and the criteria that they've told us so far is

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<v Speaker 5>it really is all about the food. It's about the

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<v Speaker 5>quality of the food. It's about how impressive the food is,

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<v Speaker 5>but also the chef's interpretation of their vision and their

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<v Speaker 5>food on the plate. And that is really kind of

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<v Speaker 5>the only criteria that we've had. You know, I spend

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<v Speaker 5>some time in Europe and working in Michelin places, and

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<v Speaker 5>there it was about everything. To get to a three

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<v Speaker 5>Michelin star, it had to be spotless, the service.

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<v Speaker 1>Had to be impeccable.

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<v Speaker 5>There couldn't be a speck of dirt on a single

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<v Speaker 5>bit of silverware. But as they've come to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the States, I think that they're starting to help, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>us understand what the benefits of the guide can be,

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<v Speaker 5>and that is to really help people find the best

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<v Speaker 5>restaurants in the city that they are travel one too.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I got to tell you, and I probably

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't say this, but I will, and I think, I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you understand. When I go to new restaurants, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that I judge a new restaurant on

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<v Speaker 2>is how clean is the restroom? And now you probably

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm crazy when I say that to you. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I am, But I feel if the restaurant make sure

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable there, that the dining experience is sure to follow.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I nuts when I suggest.

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<v Speaker 3>That, No, of course not.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I think that a restroom is perfectly representative

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<v Speaker 5>of whether or not a restaurant cares about the cleanliness

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<v Speaker 5>of everything top to bottom. And I bet that that's

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<v Speaker 5>the same type of criteria that despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>we are hearing that it's you know, what's on the

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<v Speaker 5>plate in front of the inspector, That is the type

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<v Speaker 5>of stuff that someone will go, you know, have an

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<v Speaker 5>amazing meal, everything's be perfect, and then they go into

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<v Speaker 5>the bathroom and they're just wadded up toilet paper all

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<v Speaker 5>cleaned in a month. Of course they're going to, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>give you a couple of knocks on that. But I think,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, will I'm delighted.

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<v Speaker 2>That you that you that you backed me up with that,

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<v Speaker 2>because I've had friends of mine I've said that to

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<v Speaker 2>that they look at me like you're nuts. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I could care us. That's good, that's good to know.

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<v Speaker 2>So when will this more importantly, when will this guide appear?

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<v Speaker 2>And even more importantly, when will the restaurants that you're

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<v Speaker 2>involved with and other great you know, chefs and owners

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<v Speaker 2>are involved with, when will they know what the Guide's

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<v Speaker 5>So, what I've been told, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>I'm speaking out of turn here, is that this fall

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<v Speaker 5>we are going to see h the guide come out,

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<v Speaker 5>which is very very quick. I think it's a quick turnaround.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that this is, you know, going to

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<v Speaker 5>be one of those things where it's going to divide

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of us in this community. I think it's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be the folks in the restaurant community, some

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<v Speaker 5>of which won't be included, will feel hurt, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and I think some folks who are included will feel emboldened.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that there's going to be a group

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<v Speaker 5>of us in the middle who maybe we didn't make

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<v Speaker 5>this round, but we're going to look at this as

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<v Speaker 5>we can really make sure that we are representing this

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<v Speaker 5>that are visiting. You know, listen, everything is changing quickly.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been five years since the COVID pandemic and we're

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<v Speaker 5>with everything that's happening right now, we're seeing people who

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<v Speaker 5>saying that they don't want to travel to the United States.

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<v Speaker 5>And these are people who we rely on their tourism dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>These are people that we rely on their patronage dollars.

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<v Speaker 5>And we can't keep relying on the folks that just

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<v Speaker 5>live within, you know, however, many miles of where our

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<v Speaker 5>businesses are. We need to make sure that whatever we

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<v Speaker 5>do that, then I think it's great for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's that's so well said. Just to give a

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<v Speaker 2>plug to some of the restaurants that are involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the Cambridge Street Hospitality Group makes if I hope I

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<v Speaker 2>get these right, Puritan and Company, Puritan, Oyster Bar, Gippetto

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<v Speaker 2>and the Lexington, amongst others. And if there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>more you'd like to mention, feel free because you've been

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<v Speaker 5>Well, hey, I'm just happy. Hopefully everybody can come by

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<v Speaker 5>and check out what we do. Go to our website

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<v Speaker 5>of all the restaurants that we operate. But thanks so

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<v Speaker 5>much for having me, and it's been a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 5>speak about Michelin.

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<v Speaker 2>Well right back at your pleasure to I don't get

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<v Speaker 2>a chance to talk to a lot of chefs. I

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<v Speaker 2>talk to politicians, and I kind of like chefs better

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<v Speaker 5>I want you to know that, Thanks Will, we might

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<v Speaker 5>just be a little bit more honest.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. I like that. Hey, we'll appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Love to have you back. Thanks again, and best of

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<v Speaker 2>luck with the Michelin Star Guide. I think that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are going to rack up some great ratings. I

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<v Speaker 2>know it, I just know it. Thanks so much, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you Bett, You're welcome. All right, here's the News at

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom of the hour. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>Hour, Side with Dan Ray ILLINGBZ, Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>More little lineup change going on here sometime we do

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<v Speaker 2>Deaconess Medical Center, Doctor push Richer, that is a very

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<v Speaker 2>impressive resume. I read a lot of resumes, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good one. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing very good. Thanks for having me, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much for being with us. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's always great. I know that you're a Washington Post columnist,

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<v Speaker 2>ask a doctor, but also I'm here at Boston based here.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we're talking about is this is tough stuff. Colo.

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<v Speaker 2>Rectal cancer is rising amongst young people. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>What's what? Give us the big picture from thirty thousand feet,

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, this is a

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<v Speaker 6>have been looking into what could be something to do

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<v Speaker 6>with our diet that you're eating world or process foods,

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<v Speaker 6>the less fiber. But an interesting news that it just

422
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<v Speaker 6>came out in Nature, and that's what I wrote about

423
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<v Speaker 6>for the Washington Post. That offered us a new clue.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that new clue dealings were dealing it

425
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<v Speaker 2>deals with how children come into the world.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and so you know, I think what's worries theme

427
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<v Speaker 6>to a lot of the scientists, myself included towards seeing

428
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<v Speaker 6>colorful concerning where people is that you know, whatever is

429
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<v Speaker 6>potentially causing this rise in cases, it probably for many

430
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<v Speaker 6>people starts early in childhood. And so if we're talking

431
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<v Speaker 6>about early childhood exposures, we start to think a lot

432
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<v Speaker 6>more about the microbiome. All of our microbiomes can change

433
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<v Speaker 6>over time, but they're really impressionable those first few years

434
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<v Speaker 6>of life. And so what these scientists were looking at,

435
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<v Speaker 6>and the study that came out in Nature just this year,

436
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<v Speaker 6>was looking at a toxin called colabactin that's produced by

437
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<v Speaker 6>certain strains of bacteria that live in our microbiome. And

438
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<v Speaker 6>you know, I know we all have heard of that

439
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<v Speaker 6>word microbiome, but the pic obiom in these trillions of

440
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<v Speaker 6>bacteria that live in our colon and in some of

441
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<v Speaker 6>the part we all get along with these bacteria. We

442
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<v Speaker 6>need them actually to help us with digestion. But this

443
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<v Speaker 6>toxin has been found to be far more common, about

444
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<v Speaker 6>three point three times more common, or I should say,

445
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<v Speaker 6>the mutations caused by this toxin in cases of corectal

446
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<v Speaker 6>cancer that occur in younger people far more common compared

447
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<v Speaker 6>to those who occur in adults. And so what it

448
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<v Speaker 6>tells us is that there could be something that's changing

449
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<v Speaker 6>in the microbiome of these people who are getting colorectal

450
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<v Speaker 6>cancer at a younger age. And one of the sort

451
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<v Speaker 6>of studies that even preceded this one found that col

452
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<v Speaker 6>of actine ability to cause cancer can be blocked just

453
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<v Speaker 6>by eating a high fiber diet. And so I think

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<v Speaker 6>it sort of ties in a lot of different theories

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<v Speaker 6>that scientists have been considering for years, which is to

456
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<v Speaker 6>finish something in our diet, something in our childhood, and

457
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<v Speaker 6>these studies sort of link all of these things together

458
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<v Speaker 6>that maybe, at least for some cases, our childhood diet,

459
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<v Speaker 6>particularly a low fiber diet, that's driving some of these numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>I also thought in the piece that I read, there

461
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<v Speaker 2>was some reference to children who were born cesarean section particularly,

462
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<v Speaker 2>I think it was girls who were born cesarean section.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, So you know, if I think diet is not

464
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<v Speaker 6>the only thing, although it's an important thing that can

465
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<v Speaker 6>really influence our microbiome, but probably, I mean the first

466
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<v Speaker 6>thing that really plays a big role in the bacteria

467
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<v Speaker 6>that colonizes us is how we're born. So there was

468
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<v Speaker 6>a study that came out in twenty twenty three that

469
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<v Speaker 6>looked at people who were born via cesareus section. For

470
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<v Speaker 6>the girls, they had a greater odds of developing collective

471
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<v Speaker 6>cancer at a younger age, so before the age of fifty,

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<v Speaker 6>and for reasons that are not totally clear, that that

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<v Speaker 6>same pattern didn't quite play out with boys. But scientists,

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<v Speaker 6>do you have been doing some other studies that sort

475
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<v Speaker 6>of appear to be maybe implicating sex hormones and how

476
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<v Speaker 6>those influence of microbiomes which might confer a higher risk

477
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<v Speaker 6>for girls. So we know, and so obviously you know

478
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<v Speaker 6>when you're born, the moment you're born, that has nothing

479
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<v Speaker 6>to do with your childhood diet, right, and so there

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<v Speaker 6>are other factors that influence your microbiome. That's one of them.

481
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<v Speaker 6>But then later on, you know, I think there are

482
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<v Speaker 6>certain and obviously, you know, we have no control over

483
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<v Speaker 6>how we're born. And obviously a lot of times that

484
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<v Speaker 6>we get see sections, they're for entirely good, valid medical

485
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<v Speaker 6>reasons and it has to happen. But we probably have a

486
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<v Speaker 6>lot more control over our childhood diet and the diets

487
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<v Speaker 6>that we eat currently now and what we're feeding our kids.

488
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<v Speaker 6>And I think that's the part we have to really

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<v Speaker 6>think hard about as a society, about how we can

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<v Speaker 6>try to change Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So let me ask you this. I'm a boomer. I'm

492
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<v Speaker 2>a baby boomer. We ate chunk chunk in the sense

493
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<v Speaker 2>that it was pepsi, whatever, Coca cola, candy, if there

494
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>were fruit and vegetables, yeah, but not the emphasis so

495
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<v Speaker 2>we've had this emphasis of the food pyramid has has changed.

496
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<v Speaker 2>Should we go back to what we were eating? I

497
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<v Speaker 2>realized it was probably a pretty small sample size. You know,

498
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<v Speaker 2>some guy comes up for the Red Sox and it's

499
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<v Speaker 2>two for five in September and he's a four hundred hitter. Well,

500
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, eventually it all kind of evens out. So

501
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<v Speaker 2>this is a small sample size I guess that you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at. But it's serious. And is it possible that

503
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<v Speaker 2>the diet that US boomers enjoyed at the fifties and

504
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<v Speaker 2>sixties as kids was better?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, it's what you're what you're asking something,

506
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<v Speaker 6>and I'm not, in.

507
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<v Speaker 2>My opinion, is not to be a wise guy. We did, doctor.

508
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<v Speaker 2>I really respect, but I just as you were thinking,

509
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<v Speaker 2>I was thinking to myself, what was the stuff I ate? Oh? Man,

510
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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>I think you're making a really good point, which is

512
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<v Speaker 6>that I think a lot of people are like you,

513
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<v Speaker 6>and they say, you know, I I don't remember eating

514
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<v Speaker 6>such profile like I wasn't eating kale salad every day.

515
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<v Speaker 6>And then I don't think that that's even you know,

516
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<v Speaker 6>what anyone can expect. But I will say, you know,

517
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<v Speaker 6>if you look at the trend overall of the population,

518
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<v Speaker 6>like you know, things have changed over the last few

519
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<v Speaker 6>decades that I think everyone can sort of agree upon.

520
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<v Speaker 6>The obesity epidemic has really taken off. That's changed. I

521
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<v Speaker 6>think the amount of sedentary activity that younger people are

522
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<v Speaker 6>engaging in with their smartphones, Netflix, sitting in front of

523
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<v Speaker 6>the couch, that's changed. And I think people used to

524
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<v Speaker 6>play outdoors a little more. I'm making big generalizations here

525
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<v Speaker 6>because I think that's sort of the limit of our

526
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<v Speaker 6>of what we can do. There's more to the story

527
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<v Speaker 6>than just diet. So, for example, scientists do think that

528
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<v Speaker 6>there are things in our environment, chemicals, microplastics, all of

529
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<v Speaker 6>these things are implicated but haven't been proven yet as

530
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<v Speaker 6>possibly being factors in it. The problem with all of

531
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<v Speaker 6>these studies is that it's incredibly hard for scientists to ask, well,

532
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<v Speaker 6>what happened in your childhood? Were the exposures that you had?

533
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<v Speaker 6>Because for example, if I would ask you right now, well,

534
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<v Speaker 6>like how many hours of sun did you get when

535
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<v Speaker 6>you were four years old?

536
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<v Speaker 4>Like?

537
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<v Speaker 6>Who could answer that question accurately?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Because they put you, they put you out of

539
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<v Speaker 2>the house to go out and play.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you could probably yeah, I mean you could probably

541
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<v Speaker 6>remember one. That's good thing. It's good to get out

542
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<v Speaker 6>and play. But you know, it's hard to remember all

543
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<v Speaker 6>of these specifics of our early childhood factor unless you

544
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<v Speaker 6>designed to study then, like back in the night, you know,

545
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<v Speaker 6>nineteen fifty, ninety, sixty ninety seven, and you really tracked

546
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<v Speaker 6>kids as they grew up every year, took these service

547
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<v Speaker 6>and there's very few surveys to studies that do that.

548
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<v Speaker 6>And if you didn't ask the right questions, if you

549
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 6>don't you know, to look for microplastics, for example, in

550
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<v Speaker 6>the nineteen sixties, you're not going to have that data today.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's nothing about that.

552
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<v Speaker 2>You know, we played all of these politically incorrect games.

553
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<v Speaker 2>We played Cowboys and Indians. We played more games the

554
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<v Speaker 2>US against whatever country we wanted to pick a get

555
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:02.279
<v Speaker 2>we we've and we were out from from morning till

556
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<v Speaker 2>till dusk. And well anyway, uh, I'm fascinated by this,

557
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<v Speaker 2>and and it's you're you're doing great work here and

558
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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for talking about this tonight. But Kale Salad

559
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<v Speaker 2>nah never had that.

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<v Speaker 6>Small changes, you know, make one small change at a time.

561
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<v Speaker 6>But you have to be kale salad every day. Think

562
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<v Speaker 6>about just swapping out one.

563
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<v Speaker 2>I'm meaning more healthy today than I ever did in

564
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<v Speaker 2>my life. To be really honest with you, Okay, I

565
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<v Speaker 2>really am.

566
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<v Speaker 6>I'm glad to hear that I.

567
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<v Speaker 2>Lost thirty five pounds ten years ago. This very well,

568
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<v Speaker 2>this very summertime in July. Haven't put upon wow ten

569
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<v Speaker 2>I was weighing two of five. I'm now one seventy

570
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<v Speaker 2>found awaken one to eighty weight loss. And it's one

571
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<v Speaker 2>of my advertisers. But I so believe in what they

572
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<v Speaker 2>taught me. Uh, it's it's incredible, Doctor Pastwucia. You are

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<v Speaker 2>a great sport, you really are, and thanks for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on.

575
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<v Speaker 6>It's an important topic to talk about, so I appreciate you.

576
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<v Speaker 2>Well. I'll bet you people remember the conversation because they'll

577
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<v Speaker 2>say that wise guy talk show host was I have

578
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<v Speaker 2>more respect than you can imagine for the medical community.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Always my pleasure, take care.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll have you too, all right. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we will be talking with Dan macgoon, the executive director

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<v Speaker 2>of mass Fallen Heroes. Coming right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's

585
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<v Speaker 1>news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well with us finally is Dan mcgoon. He's the executive

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<v Speaker 2>director of the Massachusetts Fallen Heroes. This is a great organization,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's first off, Dan, the history obviously starts with

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<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven. Tell us about the group, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk about what's coming up in the next few days. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks Dan, that's great to be on night Side. It's funny.

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<v Speaker 4>Before I get on the call, I was just thinking

593
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<v Speaker 4>it's been ten years for the organization since we dedicated

594
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<v Speaker 4>the mass and Harrows Memorial in the Seaport. I was

595
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<v Speaker 4>just thinking back to where it all started. Like you said,

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<v Speaker 4>this is the memorial that honors the Massachusetts men and

597
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<v Speaker 4>women who gave their lives and service to the country

598
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<v Speaker 4>since nine to eleven. So obviously, as we go through

599
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<v Speaker 4>the week, that is something that's important to us, not

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<v Speaker 4>only for the fallen but we as veterans too. It's

601
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<v Speaker 4>a lot to think back on. And the thing that

602
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<v Speaker 4>struck me is, I can't believe how much time has

603
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<v Speaker 4>gone by just this last ten years of you know,

604
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<v Speaker 4>what we've done to build the organization but also put

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<v Speaker 4>that memorial on the ground, and obviously we get ready

606
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<v Speaker 4>to rededicate it every year on Memorial Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I remember as a TV reporter being Humphry down

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<v Speaker 2>at Logan Airport in the days following nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's over twenty years ago. It's almost twenty five

610
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<v Speaker 2>years ago, and it seems like yesterday in many respects,

611
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<v Speaker 2>it does. How many people a memorial at the at

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<v Speaker 2>at mess fallen Heroes.

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<v Speaker 4>There's there's over three hundred. Yeah, there's over three hundred

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<v Speaker 4>and seventeen. And and that number continues to grow because

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we still do have service members who who

616
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<v Speaker 4>are obviously not in combat, but are still in service

617
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<v Speaker 4>to the nation.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And the memorial represents not only service members killed in action,

620
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<v Speaker 4>but it also represents service members that that have died

621
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<v Speaker 4>in service or in training and that that's been you know,

622
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<v Speaker 4>something that obviously we've we've grappled with, you know, post

623
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<v Speaker 4>withdrawal from Afghanistan, which which again you know, we're we're

624
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<v Speaker 4>looking at as an organization of you know, what's next.

625
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<v Speaker 4>You know, we don't know what's going to come down

626
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<v Speaker 4>the pipeline, but uh, you know, it's it's it's at

627
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<v Speaker 4>least we have the foundation and and and the programming

628
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<v Speaker 4>in place to not only work with the gold Star

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<v Speaker 4>families and the families that were left behind, but but

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<v Speaker 4>also with the you know, with the veterans that that

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<v Speaker 4>that are part of the organization as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, my understanding is that there would be a one

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<v Speaker 2>veteran of a veteran of Abby Gate, yes badly injured,

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<v Speaker 2>who's going to be specifically honored tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. So, Tyler Vargus Andrews was one of the Marines

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<v Speaker 4>who actually spotted the bomber that ultimately you know, blew

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<v Speaker 4>him up and killed thirteen Americans during that horrible withdrawal

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<v Speaker 4>that we went through in Afghanistan. And Tyler has been

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<v Speaker 4>very outspoken, you know, he was he was the I

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<v Speaker 4>would say, more of a whistleblower on on you know,

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<v Speaker 4>bringing the true facts to light to our country. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>an incredible marine, an incredible sniper, but an unbelievable resilient

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<v Speaker 4>warrior after you know, witnessing what he went through and

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<v Speaker 4>getting to know him. You know, we've we've been fortunate

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<v Speaker 4>enough to spend time with Tyler. We had him on

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<v Speaker 4>a bison hunt in the fall, and obviously we got

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<v Speaker 4>to get a little bit more connected, and we wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to you know, continue to talk about Afghanistan without focusing

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<v Speaker 4>on the negatives, but but honoring the sacrifice, says the

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<v Speaker 4>men and women that have all served there. And it

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<v Speaker 4>made sense to have Tyler come then and tell his story,

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<v Speaker 4>but also the work that Tyler does in his recovery,

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<v Speaker 4>with his resiliency and the work that he does to

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<v Speaker 4>even support called Star families across the country. An unbelievable

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<v Speaker 4>gentleman and warrior, and you know, we're glad to host him.

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<v Speaker 4>He's been in Boston all week. He's over at the

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<v Speaker 4>Red Sox game tonight, and he'll be at the gala

658
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<v Speaker 4>as our honoree receiving the Dan Pedtatory Award. Dan PETTATORI

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<v Speaker 4>was the first Massachusetts service member who was killed in

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<v Speaker 4>Afghanistan after nine to eleven. So we'll honor Tyler. He'll

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<v Speaker 4>give an unbelievable speech, and then he'll be speaking at

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<v Speaker 4>the memorial rededication on Saturday, the twenty fourth, which is

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<v Speaker 4>open to the public at ten am.

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<v Speaker 2>No is Tyler a Massachusetts native.

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<v Speaker 4>He is not.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 4>Tyler is born in northern California. He lives on the

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<v Speaker 4>outskirts of DC now in Virginia, him and his fiance.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's he's up here for like I said, he's

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<v Speaker 4>been here for the week. He's participated in the Boston

671
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<v Speaker 4>woned that run on sonback.

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<v Speaker 2>And was he a sniper who had my understanding that

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<v Speaker 2>that the the bomber they couldn't give the order to

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<v Speaker 2>shoot that was Tyler.

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<v Speaker 4>Tyler had him, and Tyler had him. Yeah, they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>get he didn't get the order. He could have taken

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<v Speaker 4>him out. And uh, you know, we've all followed what

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<v Speaker 4>what should have happened or or what didn't happen with

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<v Speaker 4>that withdrawal, But we.

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<v Speaker 2>Lost we lost a service member in that group that

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<v Speaker 2>day of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Johanni Zario from from not Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Oh my god. Yeah, I just just horrific when

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<v Speaker 2>you think about it. So, Okay, so there are sponsorship opportunities.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's get the website out first so people can

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<v Speaker 2>go and look and get all of this information. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that this week is really underway. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we're in the middle of the week right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we started, you know, Patriot Week. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's been ten years, ten years since we launched

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<v Speaker 4>Patriot Week, and the goal was to you know, run

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<v Speaker 4>from Armed Forces Day through Memorial Day with programming that

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<v Speaker 4>we can you know, continue to tell the stories and

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<v Speaker 4>say the names, and you know, that's really what it's

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<v Speaker 4>all about, and you know, bringing the veteran and goal

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<v Speaker 4>start community together and obviously raising awareness and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>making sure the public doesn't forget sacrifices and the wars

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<v Speaker 4>that we fought in. I mean it's already you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's already old news. Some of these kids don't even

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<v Speaker 4>know what we've been doing over the last twenty four

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<v Speaker 4>years to your point earlier of you know, where we've

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<v Speaker 4>gone since nine to eleven. So it's a big week

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<v Speaker 4>for us in Patriot Week. You know, all the information

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<v Speaker 4>can be found at both mass Fallen Heroes dot org

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<v Speaker 4>and invet's dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>As well spill intervets for me, so we get that

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<v Speaker 2>mass Falling Heroes, I got dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, invets is I N N O V E

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<v Speaker 4>T S.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So innovation like the Force four letters of innovation.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the E T S. Dot Org. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 2>you it's it's a great project we we have. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>over the over the years, there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>men and women who went to war for this country,

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<v Speaker 2>and we as a as a nation did not appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>their sacrifice. I'm thinking of not only the Vietnam veterans,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think of the Korean veterans, uh and uh.

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<v Speaker 2>At least out of this, I think most people understand

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<v Speaker 2>that you have to always separate the warriors from the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>And people may not have felt the cause was done

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<v Speaker 2>properly or it was too political or not enough political

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever, but the courage of the individuals who wore

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<v Speaker 2>the uniform and assumed the the risk that their heroism

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<v Speaker 2>can never be forgotten. And you just do such a

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<v Speaker 2>great job on it. So, Dan, thanks so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us tonight. And I know it's a busy we

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<v Speaker 2>for you. We should have been publicizing this like two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. I wish next year, let's uh, let's get

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<v Speaker 2>you on here earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Yeah, I would love to thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's let's be proactive ahead of time. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to my premis about that. Yeah, thank you, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it so much. We will talk again. Dan mcgoon,

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<v Speaker 2>the executive director, the executive director of the Massachusetts Fallen

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<v Speaker 2>Heroes massfallenheres dot org. Thank you, Dan Magoon, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. Talk to you all right, we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk with one of the Republicans running

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<v Speaker 2>for governor. Brian Shortsleeve. Should be no stranger to most

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<v Speaker 2>of us. He was a businessman, graduate of Harvard and

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard Business School, and also he ran the MBTA for

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<v Speaker 2>a while and did a really good job at it,

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<v Speaker 2>believe it or not. Uh. And we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about what he would like to do if he could

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<v Speaker 2>run the governor's office here in Massachusetts. So we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back if you want to talk to a to a

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<v Speaker 2>genuine candidate for governor and someone who will take whatever

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<v Speaker 2>questions you have. You know, the numbers were coming back

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<v Speaker 2>on nightside right after the nine o'clock news. The numbers

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<v Speaker 2>will remain as always six one, seven, two, five, four

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty and six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Back with Brian schwartsleeve right after the break