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Speaker 3: Freak of the week till Mus.
Speaker 4: I am a Pebbles taylor Field.
Speaker 1: There we go, ladies, gentlemen, Yes we are here. We
are continuing. This is episode two, Episode two of the
Fantastic four retrospective. You can go back last month we
reviewed Fantastic four then nineteen eighty five version, Yes, and
uh yet five actually ninety five, thank you, yeah, not
eighty whoa ninety five? But it is funny if First
Steps comes out, they've all been like the new versions
have all been in A five ninety five, two thousand
and five, then Fan Forest four, I know, right, yeah,
don't know what's happening, but uh, I got no transition.
We're talking about the two thousand and five tim story
one that started in how It's Oestly not supero Craze.
I think the Superhero craze happened after Dark Knight and
the Iron Man with those come out to this on eight.
But like the Golden Air, and I don't want to
see gold there, but it's kind of like in comics,
I see Golden there is like the sixties and stuff.
It's that where it's a cave upl a, Next Men,
Spider Man and here we are. You got Batman, Supermans
kicking around as well too. But here we are in
two thousand and five, after X Men and Spider Man
and Huge. You go, well, it's time to get that
fan fat almost a fan four stick. Fantastic four up
and running. First time released theatrically because last one did
not release theatrical as we talked about here. So, uh,
mister Field, I'm gonna start with you. What are your
memories of this film if you've seen it before, and
what do you think of it currently as we are
leading up to Fantastic four First Steps for the MCU.
Speaker 4: Yes, I have seen this movie many a time before.
I'm pretty sure I saw this one in theaters, but
I could not remember for the life of me. This
one came out when I was just a wee lad
and man, this this movie came out at a time
when I was like really really young, back to back
with of course Spider Man kind of being out that
time period as well. So Little Taylor was seeing Green
Goblin on screen and seeing like Victor von Doom here,
Little Taylor was set out to be a supervillain. These
are like, what like, hit my my darker.
Speaker 1: Side to be a super villain.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I want to be a supervillain.
Speaker 1: I you wanted to. You want to become a billionaire,
have it the company taken away from you, and then
swear revenge on them.
Speaker 4: That's oh yeah, I wanted to experience it.
Speaker 1: Fuck, guys, that's what he's gonna do to us. We're
gonna bring a geek first to multi billion dollar corporation,
then get him out.
Speaker 2: And then get a parcade, a parkade like Taylor.
Speaker 5: Nothing personal, right, it's.
Speaker 1: Not a negotiation, it's a notification we're pulling out.
Speaker 4: I want the boardroom and everything though.
Speaker 1: We'll get there one day.
Speaker 4: But yeah, these movies are well, this movie is just fantastic.
Speaker 3: Literally right there, I would you freaking I freaking.
Speaker 4: Love this movie. It's great. I had such a fun time.
It has aged really really well in my opinion going back,
just when I watched this movie, it just to me
and like just man, I feel like I'm just enjoying
this marvel kind of ride that they're just like going
for here and just the the action and of course
there's one CGI scene that was absolutely horrible. It looked
like it was out of like Stark at SG one
or something like that.
Speaker 5: And that show is great.
Speaker 4: That show is great, but it did what it could
for CGI back in its day, and this looked like
that kind of CGI back in that day, like ish.
Speaker 5: Stuff like this.
Speaker 4: When I look at the nineties and icy Jurassic Park CGI,
that's the template, the blueprint, and so everything after that
that just is lower than that. It's like, what the
fuck you're doing? So this movie has the what the
fuck you doing kind of thing labeled stamp on it.
Speaker 1: Where do you and your barometer for? Because you're just saying,
like CGI took a upstep for Drastic Park, everything should
be that bar are where's your barma for Lord of
the Rings because everyone said Gollam was like the next
step up. You still think that's like on par below.
Speaker 4: No, I would say it's on par I would say
Lord of the Rings. I holds those standards and keeps
that that bar up.
Speaker 1: But it didn't elevate the standard didn't elevate that. So
those critics are wrong that said that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So when you look at this though, it's
uh yeah, It's just it's a simple story, and I
like that the characters have a little bit of like
conflict against each other, not like uncertainty where they're trying
to treat themselves. I guess too, And it's just it's Yes,
it's a basic story and there's a lot of fun.
I love the fact that this in retrospect now is
kind of connected or tied in to the overarching MCU
in its own weird way. But yeah, this is just
something that I am I'm happy to talk about. There's
a lot of scenes in here that are very humorous
and interesting. There's one scene in particular I can't wait
to shout out. We get into it with what was
the name Debs with the thing's former ex wife. It
just doesn't make any sense why the woman chose to
do something that she did. It just blew my mind
left them.
Speaker 1: I know, what a terrible person I know.
Speaker 4: Along with that, not just that, but along with that.
So yeah, I don't have much more to say other
than this is a freaking awesome movie.
Speaker 1: Mister Muss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one that I really loved.
Speaker 1: NA try to Bun, try to butN in front of you.
I heard his breath going for a drink.
Speaker 3: I totally missed it. I this is a movie that
I really loved as a kid.
Speaker 6: I remember watching it quite a few times. I might
have had a DVD of this one potentially, but weirdly,
I never saw a Silver Surfer. I never watched the sequel,
and then it's definitely been a long time since I
watched these movies. But then, like I think it was
last year or two years, I put them both on,
so that would have been my first watch for Surfer.
But once again, it was like movies on in the background.
So I feel like this was really it was fun
to sit down today and really just get through risks
and really pay attention to some of those little details
in there, and to what Taylor said, I actually think
it does hold up a lot better than I thought
it would. There are some things that are for me,
very dated about it, for sure, and it feels like
very much, oh, this is two thousand and five, ass
movie right here, like this is this is ripped right
from that era. But I was surprised.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 3: I just feel like the the main cast, the main four, like.
Speaker 6: They all do a really good job here, and there
are some really well written sequences. I think they have
really good chemistry with each other. I think there's a
lot of the little micro relationships between them all are
pretty well done. I think for me, some of the
weaknesses coming in just like generally the doom stuff, Like
the plot is so basic and simple in this I
feel like the villain like really struggles, and I just
feel like generally the second half of this movie becomes
like really boring when like the team's all mad at
each other and they're often unknown stuff. But then you
like you know they're gonna get back together, and like
none of it's really that meaningful and it's not really
like that copelling of them going at each other either.
There's a couple interesting things that happened in there, but
I think it kind of wore off by the end
of the watch. I was like ready for it to end.
There's some decent action sequences and they're nothing too crazy,
but I think like the discovery of their powers, I
think this this movie also starts in a really interesting
way for the genre, just like there's a lot of
past stuff between these characters that they don't really explain.
They really just throw you into, like a few years
into these characters relationships, they don't have like their powers yet,
but I thought that was a kind of an interesting choice.
And like with an a minutes we're in space, like
they really get going, even like the opening credits sequence
is like really really fast. We get into the action
like immediately. So I thought, from like the pacing side,
it worked pretty well for me. It was just like, yeah,
when we get to like the third act that I'm like, Okay,
I'm ready for this, ready for this to end at
this point. But yeah, I I it was a good
time watching this again, stood up better than I expected
it to.
Speaker 1: Now, mister pat so you can you can go.
Speaker 5: Thank you sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was This was a special movie I think
paired with Silver Surfer for me as like as a
youngin heavy DVD rotation, I think this one definitely more
than Silver Surfer. But like, not only do I love
this movie, but me and my cousin played the shit
out of the Fantastic four PS two game like the
movie Tian one. Yep, it is so good. I don't
know if that's like it's probably not, but it was.
I gotta be looking in my my PS two archives
for I have a I have a binder full of
PS two games, so hopefully, hopefully it's in there, but
I doubt it. But I I just remember loving that game,
and like, I feel like I kind of forgot how
much I watched this movie until I was watching the
movie because I have not seen this for a very
long time, but I like every scene that was coming up,
I felt like I almost could have quoted it, like
like it was like, holy shit, I I lived and
breathed clearly this movie. So I'm gonna I'm gonna be
curious how I feel going into Silver Surfer if I
have like that same effect, because it was like a
it was a weird experience of like it was like
a Daja vuom moment where I felt like I just
watched this movie even though I didn't, and I, yeah,
I love this movie as a kid. I'm I'm in
agreeance with you guys and saying that like it actually
held up more than I was expecting it to, or
maybe maybe it aged less than I was expecting it to.
Speaker 5: CG.
Speaker 2: You guys mentioned some cguy stuff I thought, for the
most part for a two thousand and five movie, like
the CGI actually looked pretty damn good, like and especially
that I was coming into it expecting to just be
like absolute dog shit. Now, I will say I think
this movie peaks hard in the first act and then
it like really really drops off after that.
Speaker 5: So overall, I don't think.
Speaker 2: This is a great movie, like comparing it, you know,
like like if one act is stellar and then the
back two is just like, Okay, what are.
Speaker 5: We doing here?
Speaker 2: I think it rounds up good enough, like at the end,
like the last fight is good enough. But yeah, it
was a weird ride because I definitely was nostalgic while
watching it, and I'm I'm watching, you know, first act,
I'm like, man, this is gonna be like a ten
out of ten movie, Like.
Speaker 5: This is just as good as I remember.
Speaker 2: And then and then and then you know, we get
into some of the team kinda just button heads or
maybe we have some Victor stuff. And then I'm like
thinking back and I'm like, oh, I remember being like
bored while watching this movie as a kid, like near
these scenes, like I remember actually like only really loving
the early portions of the movie.
Speaker 5: Now, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was kind of an interesting one to have,
But I still had fun watching it.
Speaker 5: I watched it with Shane and.
Speaker 2: Like she said that she she really liked it as
a kid too, so it was kind of funny for
us to both like go through it again and kind
of compare the nostalgia stories in that sense. But uh, yeah,
I think the cast is really good. I really don't
think what's the chap's name? I never know how to
pronounce his first name. Yeah, I really don't think him
and Jessica Alba have like good on screen chemistry together,
like romance wise.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm alone in that sense.
Speaker 2: I just feel like there it's like a love dynamic
of like they had history and then like they didn't
fully have closure, and I'm just like, man, this guy
is like a wall, Like Jessica Alva is like giving
him so much.
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I you know, he talk about
that when we get there, But.
Speaker 2: That's is that like how it's written though, I guess
so yeah, yeah, so it might be perfect.
Speaker 5: It might be perfect.
Speaker 3: Acting clueless like the whole way through that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, and I don't think that's very entertaining.
Speaker 3: How you'll feel about that? Yeah, watching it with a
fresh eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like by the end, like he proposes and I'm
like this is so fucking weird, like they've been broken
up for that long. But I don't think I've seen
this guy in much other than this and Horrible Bosses,
which of course I like, just watch and.
Speaker 4: That's all I see.
Speaker 1: No Painter, the wet works guy.
Speaker 5: They him, Yeah, the men seeking Men's.
Speaker 1: He's unfortunate because I feel like, for that one scene,
I'm like, this guy has comedic chops and he should
be in more call like he is great at the
straight deadpan delivery.
Speaker 3: Fuck man, but so good, so good.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I I I really loved him as re
and like I don't know, like I I mentioned him
just being kind of a blank well but I still
like read for the most part of like the science
he read, so you know, we'll get into that when
we get into it. But yeah, it was it was
a fun one to go through. I'm glad I didn't
like watch this a couple of years ago, Like I'm
glad I had that length of time in between, like
that long cool down period, just because Yeah, this was
like definitely one of my favorite movies as a kid,
and the parts that I remember loving I actually really
did still like, so so that was really nice. And yeah,
what's Julian McMahon. I don't think I've really seen him
in anything other than this. I don't know I should
pull up. I know you're gonna keep saying nip tuck,
but just like beyond that, and even Michael chicklist Ben
Grimm's character, like I really liked him in this movie too,
and it's just like, man, watch.
Speaker 1: The Shield baby the ether FX show. Yeah, Agent of
Shield or just the Shield. Okay, Walden Goggins is in it.
He's in like he's his prime antagonist. Is a detective show.
It's like a hard, gritty one but cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: Good actors at the time. So yeah, this is a
movie that I saw. We'll get to the sequel. But
I was seeing most small movies in theaters. But as
I said before, I was not a big Fantastic four guy.
So this is one I felt like I just saw
a necessity because it's like, wow, we don't get many
comic movies, so here we go. I remember seeing this
maybe in the theater and then one other time and
not really enjoying it. I think someone still has to
do with Like I just was not a fantastic I'm
a Doom guy. I'm not a Fantastic four guy at
that point. I was also not a Julia McMahon guy either,
so that didn't have me like it was retroactive.
Speaker 5: What have you seen that You're like, I don't like
this guy? Or is it just this?
Speaker 1: No? Not, that wasn't it. I just like didn't have
like a club you're saying, yeah, I thought nothing of him.
I didn't know his town stuff like that, so I
really had nothing, And I thought it was just like
the generational like every young boy being like, well, Jessica Alba, man,
she's really gorgeous, you know, like that she was like
for this era, she was the it girl of like
on people's wallpapers, on their computer and stuff like that. Right,
Like there's every three years someone has that ground and
she definitely had that, like this employee of the month,
like there's a whole sphere there, right she did? Was
that Blue Water Blue something? She's a surfer blue there
you go. Yeah, there's a lot of those type of movies.
So I hadn't watched it for a long time, and
then I had rewatched it about four years ago when
we were in the middle of COVID because we were
originally going to do this. I talked about this last week,
but we were going to do the retrospective, so I
watched it in preparation for that. Movies came back, so
we never did it, and here we are now. But
my thoughts on it now are the same way I
did when I rewatched the COVID that did hold up
better than I was expecting. I remember, I remember liking
it a lot less than not really caring about it. Now,
this isn't one that's gonna be in the rotation lots,
but I think I just was surprised of how good
or better than I thought it was gonna be. Stuff
like even Chris Evans that I thought, Okay, yeah he
is human torch, but he's cap. He's for sure cap.
Chris Evans is fucking astounding in this movie. And I'm
not saying this revisions history. I've said this before, Like
he is an actively great Johnny Storm, like he does
so well. Man. I think everyone's good in their roles.
I think even Ian is like with a great script.
I'd love to see him and Julia McMahon playing like
Read and Doom, because there's some moments I have together
I'm like, oh, I can see something here, but you're
stuck in a two thousand and five movie and that sucks.
And this is definitely like feels like a Colonne of
Spider Man, like that's the bit we'll get into Doom.
But like that's the worst part about Doom is they
literally saw Green Gone, like well, let's just do that,
and it sucks because like, yeah, like jokes aside, I
love Niptuck and McMahon would have been like a perfect
victory of on Doom. He can be suave, he's very cold,
and the best thing is he has those fucking green eyes,
which are really good. His eyes in the mass very piercing.
You need someone with great eyes. I don't know if
Downing he's gonna have that, but uh, that's the thing
where it's just not like deep and oh my god,
what is that. It never gets like deep enough. You know.
It's like, I think great set up with the origin.
I think there's fun high jinks, but you never find
something there. Even in the middle of the movie, they
try to do this plot with Johnny about how he's
like immature, but the end of the movie it just
proves him right. So it's like, oh, like the immature
guy's right, that's kind of odd, Like there's little things
where you go. It just never gets to like what
Spider Man did with the Goblin or what X Men
did with like the racial and sexism kind of allegories.
It never finds that step. And I think the family
dynamic could have been that, but it just resorted to
like what you guys said to all the way bicker
and they get back together. It's like, Okay, we've seen
that time and time, and the third act in this movie. Yeah,
the third act is a it's kind of a slog.
It's not a long movie, but it's just like superhero
boring stuff. It's a classic superhero third act where a
fucking five year old could write it and then they
just go film it. Like even just the lines they're giving.
I have a couple ridden down there, just like do
one point. She's like, and when I get this, I'll
be unstoppable. It's just like man like people have been
saying this shit since eighties, like you gotta think of
something else. So I still enjoy it. I'll watch it
every once in a while, but like, I don't know
actively what I'm gonna rewatch it again. I did because
the retro. But maybe like the next time with the girls,
maybe when Fantastic four is coming out, maybe you'll be
in like five years from now. I don't know. So
I did enjoy it. It's definitely a pass, but it's
not one that's in the It's not in the Blade,
X Men, Spider Man camp of this generation.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a step down. It's no Electra, it's no
sorry tell their ghostwriter. But it's clearly in like that
second Eschalon of movies for me. But it's it's happily
doing its thing, you know. So right, have four, let's
talk about it.
Speaker 2: Man, you you compare it to two or almost had
two and five Spider Man. There's two five Fantastic four,
just with Spider Man. I I don't know why, but
I I think, well, I do know why. It's nostalgia
and just because we talk about these movies so much.
But the cliche of like the boardroom and like the chairman,
like outing, I fucking love that cliche so much.
Speaker 1: It's literally down to the tee big accent happens. Victor
thinks he's fine. They say I'm coming for a meeting.
Here out what do you mean it's not negotiation, it's
a notification so.
Speaker 2: Hard when he goes to the board and like, let's
just talk about the fuck it. I don't know if
you guys notice this while you're watching it, but the
design of like the boardroom too, it looks like such
a stereotypical, like evil genius. They have like a bust
of like a man and you know what, you know
what I'm talking about, the bust a victor, like.
Speaker 5: Just on the side.
Speaker 1: Hands.
Speaker 2: The chairs are so extra like it's just such a
crazy design. And you have these board members that are
just like you're out, Norman and and like like you
can't do this with me, you know much money, Like.
Speaker 5: It's like the exact same it is. I was eating
it up, and of course I never realized it back
in the day, but me now watching this, I was
smiling ear to ear.
Speaker 2: I was wanting more of those scenes just because I
was loving it so much. So yeah, that cliche of
having like the just like the evil chairman outing the
owner of the company, Oh my god, I love that
so much, and pretty much just because of Norman, but god,
I I love that sequence so much.
Speaker 1: And they literally have a guy like when they say
you're out, Norman, he's where he says, we're pulling out,
Like they literally have him say out like this. It's
it's all but it's like they do the same thing
out am. I Like when he kills the guy in
the parking eight, I can't remember what he says, but
he says something.
Speaker 4: Him say you're fired.
Speaker 1: Does he say he says something like that where.
Speaker 4: He says it's a sue Susan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said in the final battle, Oh man, I
felt so bad for mcmah. They give him so many
bad lines like I guess you're fired too, and then
like he hits her with like it's like, oh my god,
Like it's just it's tough. But yeah, that that's definitely
the biggest complaint that they just they saw what worked
with Dafoe and they just copy that and move that
over here. And there's some doo things they get right
where the apt which I don't think we're gonna get
in the next Fantastic Four because of Downey, the aspect
of Read and Victor being like rivals their whole life.
I enjoy that and I'm excited to get to the sequel.
I watched that and day, and there's aspects where they
always again they touch upon it, but they never go
full mounted. They just they tell you and then they
have a couple of scenes where they face off and
then that's it. It's just but it's like that could
you could build the movie off, especially like he's engaged
to Sue, but literally Sue in midway through the movies,
she's like getting Victor done. We didn't see that scene
at all. We didn't see to his knowledge, she could
still be dating Sue Storm and then she's literally just
like I'm waiting for you. I'm giving the information to
take your shot. It's just like all this stuff is
happening off screen that they just tell us. And I
get it's been weeks and weeks, but uh yeah, Like
I said, I love McMahon, so I am biased. I
think he does the best he can. But the the
Doom stuff is it is very weak for what Doom
should be. It's just a copy carbon of Goblin with
a few things that are interesting, but they don't dive
into those.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was funny, like the within the first
few minutes, like before we went to space and all that,
I literally did a double checker, like did I click
on Silver Surfer. Like some of these past relationships that
they're insinuating, I'm like, this feels like Seql Territory, so
like a lot of that stuff too, where they're just
talking about their past but like not really being explicit
about it. And I was kind of waiting for that
moment where they just do the exposition dump but like actually.
Speaker 3: Explain what's going on in their past.
Speaker 6: But I think it actually kind of worked for the movie,
and I think that helps speed it along too, because
you could tack another twenty minutes on here where we
have this whole sequence or like later on in the
movie where they do some flashbacks or something, but I
think it's better that they don't, and then the stuff
with like them having a prior relationship, I think that
works pretty well for me. Like I liked their dynamic
there between Sue and Reed in that way. But yeah,
I think they're definitely could have been some more room
where like they fleshed out that relationship between Reed and
Victor von Doom a little bit more, but it really
just I don't know, it plays in a very it's
strikingly different than what we just talked about with the
previous nineteen ninety four, ninety five one, and like the
relationship there, So it was it was cool to see
how did you guys feel about Doom, Like the portrayal
of his powers in this and that he's similar to
the thing has like a physical deformity that's like actually
growing on him along with the electric powers that's kind
of just tossed.
Speaker 3: In there later on.
Speaker 2: See that's what I was confused about, is like until now,
I never really thought of what Doom's powers were like
at all.
Speaker 5: I just thought he was a villain.
Speaker 1: Your power like it's just one of those where its
a nebulous when like it's like energy projection, like I'll
pull it up a Marvel wicked.
Speaker 2: So he does have energy power though, because like Marvel Snap,
he has Doom Bots. So it's like to me, it's like,
does he just have like robots that something.
Speaker 3: Seems like he's just a power political guy or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the same. Like there's that's the thing
with Doom. There's multiple times where it's like, oh, okay,
he's a political Bruce Wayne type, that evil Tony Stark type,
or he has powers like there's an emperor god of
Doom where he literally just beats Stanos in one punch
and it's like, oh, Doom's that good? Right? The same
thing with his physical appearance. There's times where he and
that's why I like they alluded. There's a lot of
allusions to the com books, and they I think like
for that time they were doing pretty well. That one
scar he has over him, there is a comic book
where he talks about how hideous deformed he is. It
to done, they build it up for months or years whatever,
and then he takes off the mask. It is just
one cut and everyone's like, you look fine to you,
but to him it's the end of the world, like
I'm perfection. But then there is times where he takes
off the mask like other iterations, and his face is
just completely fucked up. So do I'm not gonna say
it's like Joker, but he is in that sense that
it's kind of like depending on the story of the creator,
he's had many kind of versions or changes, and uh,
what is the I got the powers here? Anyways?
Speaker 2: Saying on but to answer your question there, Dylan, Yeah,
I like.
Speaker 5: The lightning power. Yeah, I guess overall, I like it.
Speaker 2: Enough because like the lightning you could. You know, you
can make the the argument that like because he's metal,
like he's conductive or something in that sense, So like
it does make sense because yeah, like I knew that
he had some sort of electric power in this movie,
but I couldn't really remember like the full extent of
what his power set was. But you know, for this movie,
I think it works, and I think now that I'm
just thinking about new More, it's just like I really
don't know much about that character, so I don't even
know what to like reference for, like what my preference is.
Speaker 5: I like him in the mask, so you know that's
oh my god, I have the list right there.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what I mean. He just has God powers, right,
mystical blast, mystical force field, spellcasting, because that is up
top to.
Speaker 6: Start near spell casting is he is absolutely he is
just magic.
Speaker 1: So there you go. H But spell cast, expell, reversing, summoning, teleportation,
dimensional travel, mythical ensnaring, mythical portals, healing, banishment, time travel,
power absorption, elemental man manipulation, telkinesis, and power nullification. Oh boy,
and look at all this other stuff. He's just stacks it.
He's just one of those, like.
Speaker 3: Is a techno path okay, just like from X Men.
Speaker 1: And then again, we never know what these power grids
are out of. But intelligent six strength for six or
I think it's higher. Right if you're looking at it
feels like there's some empty white stuff there, so.
Speaker 3: Like there's only room for it to go up to seven.
It's an out of seven rating.
Speaker 1: That's very strange.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 2: But like does he normally have metal like physical characteristics
or is it just.
Speaker 1: Changes his arm? That's what I mean. Like sometimes he
has question sorry, no, no, sometimes he has looked messed
up and other times, but I think the classic version
is not messed up or with the one scar, and
it gets a guy with the suit of armor. That's
what it is. I don't think Danny's gonna haven't metal
grown out of his body?
Speaker 5: So interesting?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you've been quiet on Doom. What do
you think about Doom?
Speaker 4: I again, this is the guy that maybe want to
become a super villain. I love everything about this character.
And I had never seen McMahon in anything else aside
from you talking about Nittock.
Speaker 1: He's in a movie coming out this year in Nick
age soon, so you'll see that.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you were saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an Australian private detective and jewelring Man's in
the movie with them, so I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that'll be good.
Speaker 5: Then I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I like again, he's he does a great doctor Doom
and he just really sells that that villain vibe. I
really really like him. And he's trying to be friends
with Ben Grimm at the diner and whatnot and still
just insulting him even though he's trying to be friends
with him. Yeah, he's just such a cool character when
he gets super pissed off and he just like I
think it was right after Ben Grimm gets healed and
he like kicks Ben Grimm and then it just has
a weird transition to where he's smashing like the box
case saying of his or maybe it was after he
captured Read. It after he captured Read and then.
Speaker 1: He which did you guys catch what the helmet was for?
It was for being a good guy and he was
like a humanitarian award, which is like, why'd they just
give him a statue of a face? Get I get it,
I guess like helping people. It's a human face. But
it was such a what I've never noticed that before.
When I saw it, was like, yeah, Latvia Award for
like Hume whatever, some a bunch of different descriptors for
humanitarian do gooder. And I was like, Okay, I guess
that's the origin of his mask that. I don't know
if that's anything from the com books. It seems a
bit odd, but I thought you were gonna bring up
when you're talking about some smashing. When he saw the
doctor and he's like, well, how are you gonna help
me with this? Is like, well, it's pretty new, and
then he killed him. He's like, I guess I'll go
a second opinion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty rock because guy's like I could
go to the CDC with this, Victor. Victor's like, I'm
gonna keep this confidential. It's like, no, it could be contagious.
And that's something I liked about them. When he's trying to.
Speaker 6: Figure it out, I was like, oh, the CDC's dance
for like the you know, National Disease sent or whatever
it is, and he's like.
Speaker 3: I know what it's dance.
Speaker 4: I liked that they were thinking that everything that they
had could be infectious, yes, but at the same time,
it was weird that they did not question the fact that, hey,
maybe we should throw Victor into quarantine with us too,
considering that he was there with us and.
Speaker 1: He also has like physical like like even Ben Grimm
makes some sort of joke. I can't remember he said,
somebody a scar, but he says somebody his face when
they bump into each other the first time, so it's
not like he's unscathed. It's like, Okay, you know, Victor
is on the ship, but he seems fine, but like
he has a scar. He's getting bigger, but especially when
he sits down with Ben, that thing is starting to
go around his whole face.
Speaker 4: It's like he takes his gloves off and you can
see his hands aren't looking good either, like, but Ben
doesn't comment on it at all, so it goes over
his head.
Speaker 1: They got terrible situations going on, like even the nerd.
So this person like also get what they're doing. She's
horning for giant storm whatever. But these eyes what to
space got blasted, said, Katie got quarantine. This guy's fevers
two oh nine, and she's like, this is really hot,
and I get what they're doing right, all jokes that
he's getting hot, but still in a realistic world, this
he should not. You know, you don't go fucking skiing
with him, Like this is definitely I don't care if
he's like, oh, I feel great, he just went to
space and now he's burning up. He's sitting down. You're
going to tell Reid everybody like Victor, who's like a
part of the whole operation. He's paying all the money
fists to help them. It's like, no, you don't get
to go skiing.
Speaker 4: But he lights on fire while skiing and then has
a hot tub session and yeah, then she proceeds in
my head canon, they're having sex.
Speaker 1: They are, but like what a datous spat.
Speaker 2: Like she has got to be the dumbest fucking female
written character I've ever seen anywhere.
Speaker 5: Like I like, I I.
Speaker 2: Knew that she was like the stereotypical, you know, hot nurse,
just like, oh, Johnny Storm and tell me.
Speaker 3: He watched right now sexy nurse?
Speaker 1: Is it? Actually?
Speaker 2: Until I watched it, now I'm like unbelievable, like like
like how like what's she going her nursing degree? This
fucking lady, Like come on? And then she just is
fully geared up. She doesn't say like anything when they're
like on the helicopters, like or he's all scared, doesn't
want to jump, just go like comes find him after
he was on fucking fire flying down the mountain and
then she just drops her poles gets in with him because,
like Travis says, she's just fucking horny for Johnny starting
that was like that was like mind blowing how idiotic
she was.
Speaker 1: But that's the two thousand and five is and that's
where it's like again, Spiderman, X Men, they have done
stuff like that, but I don't know if they had
any characters to that level that brought it down. And
that's where it's like, Okay, that's where this movie is
like a little lower because yeah, like I get the
waters hot, but like, don't go in this mountain, Like
what if there's an avalanche you could, like you want
to die fucking Johnny's storm, Like I guess, like he's
not even famous at this point, really, you know, like
I see her again.
Speaker 3: In the movie. Nope, so she's probably maybe she did.
Speaker 5: Die because he has her jacket right, like are out
there only.
Speaker 1: Remains was come bag. She just drowned in the full
hot tub and.
Speaker 6: He just whatever jacket for so long he does. Yeah,
it's a long time before he gets a new wardrobe change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, all that was done terribly. They're just
wasting all victors millions of dollars. Like even then, like
Read and See are going out in public, even if
it's for a day like a walk. It's like, again,
you should be quarantined, like you don't know what this
doesn't especially now it's not even like oh we feel great,
howything's happening. All the stuff is happening to them, So
it's like get out of here, get back in your
labs and stuff. You know.
Speaker 2: That's another thing that like overall just kind of surprised
me with the story of Yeah, like they're they're revealed
to be the phantasm war.
Speaker 5: They save the day.
Speaker 2: It's like we got powers, we're gonna figure this out. Okay,
that's just the end of That's like they just go
back to Reed's place and unbothered by the government, unbothered
by I know she's not popping around, but like any
sort of like thing like out there, it's like this
could be a weapon. We should try and control this
or the whole quarantine thing, like that should be a
bigger deal. Yet they're able to just like go off everywhere, right,
And it seems like Victor's doctor is like the only
doctor that knows that this is happening, and it's like,
we have to contact CDC, this could be quarantine situation,
and he just gets marked, and no one's really thinking
about that with our other fantastic before we fucking bend
Grim looking out like a like the Orange rock Man,
and just like no one really like they're just able
to kind of do whatever they want. And I think
now I'm just conditioned because of the way that like
superhero movies go now where it's like this guy has
a power, we have to like lock him down. So
maybe that is why I'm like thinking about it now.
But I also feel like that's also more realistic, so
that is kind of what should have happened maybe if
it does happen in a real life setting. So I
was just really shocked how they were just completely able
to do whatever they want, Like like it seems like
there's no government or like policing force at all other
than when they interact with them of course on the bridge.
Speaker 1: Other than Victor. He gets all the shit. He's getting
his company taken away, Like he literally is getting everything
taken away from him while they just get to do
fucking They get to be the fuck around gang and
go be like motorcycle doing stuff and yeah, and he's
getting his girl, he's getting his almost theyance stolen by
Reid on the side. You know, he's losing Larry. That's
something where it's like, oh, this is where it's hurting Doom.
It's like they're like, oh, sir, which great played by
the great Hamish link later if anyone didn't know his
little sistant there, he's the priest from Midnight Mass he's
the Batman voice and Kate Mersader, Yeah, he's looking like
a baby in here. But he's like, yes, sir, your
spot's on Larry King. It's been canceled. What do you
mean it's been canceled? And they look at the TV
in stentest, but it's like, well, I make a doom
care about this stuff. It's like that's where it's like
you're failing this character man, Like it's just so cheesy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was.
Speaker 6: I was laughing when the on the bridge scene once
it's all kind of concluded and the want some copy.
I was like, get on your knees and and they,
like all of them have their guns pointed at them.
But then like the audience starts cheering and the cops
they all just put down their gun. The guy whoever
said get down your knees, I don't even know where
he was, but he just fled the scene. Apparently they're like, yeah,
I guess the people like them, so that's a good
enough reason for me as law enforcement. We're just gonna
let them go at this point.
Speaker 1: It's funny the way that scenes edited. It almost looks
like the cops put their guns up and everyone starts
to cheer. Obviously it's not, but that's what it looks like. Yeah, yeah,
oh that bridge scene is just everything from the guy
trying to kill himself.
Speaker 3: I like a movie needs a bridge scene.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like the humor of it too. And he's just
getting shipped on and then the guy comes out, so
you think you got problems back take a long look.
Like I I actually.
Speaker 2: Quite liked that scene. I thought it was gonna be
really cheesy, but no, like, I don't know, it worked
for me, but.
Speaker 4: I don't think everyone got away on scathe. I mean
they saved two people. And when those hydrogen tanks like
went on of like, I'm pretty sure a few people died.
Speaker 2: But anyone plays the burnout games from back in the
day when you have to like make like the biggest
car crash ever. That was like a fucking level here.
I cannot believe the length, Like nobody hit the brakes
from the car in front of them. It seems like
they gassed up and just like launch, there's cars flipped
all over. So yeah, to your point, Taylor, I'm sure like.
Speaker 7: People died on that bridge, multiple people room fucking I
mean it was a fire truck doing right like I
mean I almost all the firefighters went off the fucking side,
like the.
Speaker 4: Shooting the ladder.
Speaker 5: Dog too, yeah, dog too.
Speaker 4: I'm yeah.
Speaker 1: I like when the fire chief is Johnny's like talking
the crass. I got who's in charge here, and I
got on the leader. All right, let's be serious now
have a good little one liner. But this is where
I know, Terry, you brought it up and like I
gotta talk about it now. Such an odd choice where yeah,
so we get we've got something out that Ben, we
don't don't meet her all while he like, you don't
even have scene of them in love, but that's finding
his pictures of his wife, right, So his wife. There
is this scene that I'll let Taylor talk about that
happened previously here. But the scene that happens here is
they save the day, crowds cheering for them, and for
some reason, his wife feels this is the moment to
run to the bridge that he's at and throw his
ring on the ground. Also, if you watch that scene,
she aggressively aggressively pushes a random extra out of the way.
I think she's trying to portray she's upset, but just
like tosses this guy. But like what a again, And
even like I don't even think Sue's written the best,
So I don't think these writers were the greatest with
female characters, but just to have this character they like
couldn't be any other moment he goes home, but like,
it just feels so ram. She's running on the bridge
during this, like as we talked about murder events happening
to throw her. Like the guy finally feels good about
himself and just no and throws the ring down. Really
nice scene though with him and read. I love that scene.
If he can't pick it up, and Read picks it
up for him. I think that's like a great like
friendship moment. But the actual execution of her breaking out
with them, my god, it's just uh, it's something. It's
something that I'm just like, No one was like, let's
change this up, but dope, that's that's what I went with.
Speaker 6: I would love to see a fan at it of
the scene when they're out on the street at night
and when she runs away and almost gets hit by
the taxi. I would love to see a fan of
her just getting absolutely mold.
Speaker 3: She's running away, and.
Speaker 1: The movie would be the same. Right, she rejected him,
and Annie's wifeless.
Speaker 6: Her ring could fall off her body and lend yeah
trying to pick it up Reads, just in the bushes,
waiting to help him out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hold his long arm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the way from Baxter Building. Oh there you go. Ben.
Speaker 5: That like blew my mind.
Speaker 2: That scene honestly could like, up until this point, I
didn't even know that they were really married, Like I
couldn't remember.
Speaker 5: If they were.
Speaker 2: It's just like, Okay, this is his girlfriend or something.
He goes to see her. She seems pretty horny for
him to be home, you know, like I've been waiting
for you or I.
Speaker 5: Got surprised for you. Puts on lingerie.
Speaker 2: You know, Taylor, you'll talk about that, like it's just
like terrified that he's like a monster, and it's not
just like this weird man lured me out pretending to
be my boy, Like he's using the lingo that they
would have used like pet names for each other.
Speaker 5: And then.
Speaker 2: And she just like screams and runs and I'm like, Okay,
that's like maybe an early relationship thing, like like she's so.
Speaker 5: Terrified she can't even handle that. And then we fast
forward to fucking bridge sequence and.
Speaker 2: She like, like you said, travils, like she like freaking
fast travels to this bridge in the middle of the
chaos to get liver here.
Speaker 5: She just like and then gives him the ring and
throws it down.
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Not even one
conversation of like this is really hard.
Speaker 5: How are we gonna do this? How are we gonna
have sex going forward? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do this. Not a
single word as said. She just drops the ring and
leaves I shouldn't, Shay. I'm like, would you really do that?
If I look like that?
Speaker 5: Like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: What she say?
Speaker 5: You'd probably agree, I could remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, she sees it on the
news and she thinks, man, this is the time to
break up with Ben right now, Like this is I'm
gonna run down and divorce him on the spot. Like
even if as the case, I don't know what we're
saying together, but if Emily comes back as a rock monster,
I think there's still gonna be a conversation there at least,
you know, like.
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Like, I guess it was on the
news that they like they had an accident in space, right,
So I guess she figures. But like if and I'll
let Taylor go if there was an accident space, why
is your first result being like, oh, my husband who
had accident space? Going home night? I mean, I get
my laundry on because I am horny. I can't wait.
He might be injured. Yeah, but Taylor, what do you
think of his wife character?
Speaker 5: And you can talk about the law last Yeah, that
just bothered me.
Speaker 4: The lingerie scene, like you're going out in New York
City and the like a dark backside of your building,
you know, it doesn't look like you're in a good neighborhood,
and you're.
Speaker 5: Just, yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 4: Like you can get you get some creep guy coming
after you, or some.
Speaker 1: Guy's from Spider Man one guy one yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was just a very bold choice on
her part. She almost gets run over, like you said, Dylan,
But it's just funny because as soon as she screams,
literally the whole of New York City wakes up, and
Ben's looking all around because everyone's like, oh, what happened
to that woman?
Speaker 3: Oh it's that guy there?
Speaker 1: What's going on?
Speaker 4: Like he can't get out of there fast enough? Those
poor guys just trying to talk to his wife.
Speaker 1: GBS come on, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to add. He doesn't say like
anything to prepare her on the phone. It's just like
for you, like it's not like I would add a
horrorb acc then I'm completely disfigured, but like it's still me.
Speaker 1: Does surprise for you? Does he say that?
Speaker 2: Because she's like, I got a surprise for you, and
he's like, I got a little one for you too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't leave with that and show me you on.
Speaker 2: The phone like it's so weird, like my life is over.
I'm a freak now, like say anything.
Speaker 5: To prep her for this. She's like coming out here
horny where Yeah, I'll take.
Speaker 1: The horniness back. Maybe she thought he was fine then
I forgot about that, But yeah, I would not if
I was turned a rock monster, I wouldn't lead the
conversation with like, well, I got a surprise for you too,
I said, I had a really unfortunate accent, but reads
even then, yeah, lead with Reid's gonna fix it, because
even if she's gonna leave, maybe she like, well, she'll
fix it, which is very odd to me. At the
end of this movie, which I know some people, I
know there's probably whole message about body images and all
this stuff, but read so they say the day right,
and they're all like smiling and that at the party
and reads like you know, I've been figuring out the
calculations and I think and fix this and he's like, no, boss,
I'm good the way I am. And it's just like,
do you even have a cock? Like do you like
exact same?
Speaker 5: I'm like to ask his new girlfriend that if he's fine,
like I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's just like, you don't got to
be a rock like that's why I prefer the comics,
when it's like that's it. You're stuck. There's nothing to
fix you. The fact that reads like I think I
figured out no, no, no, read this is the way
I'm meant to be. No, man, this is not the
way you're meant to do. You don't be meant a
fucking rock monster, Like I don't know, Like I just like,
maybe again, I get what the movie he's trying to say,
but it's just like if I'm a rock monster, like, yeah,
give me the fucking need all you can be the
Fantastic Three, Like I want a life still, you know,
because it yeah, never mind.
Speaker 5: I completely agree with your drivers.
Speaker 2: I had that exact same thought while I was watching
the scene, and like, I think you can still get
to that point where he is satisfied with his new
bean if you just like wrote it better and you
like went on that journey of like I don't know,
maybe I don't know.
Speaker 5: I can't even think of one right now.
Speaker 1: He's just fine because he found another chick that will
bang him. That's why because he is that possible. I
don't know. I really don't know. They have some line
at the end of the wedding. What does he say?
Or they're rubbing up on each other it's.
Speaker 4: Official, I apparently Marvel Comics Stanley confirmed that Ben Grim
does have a penis, of all.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he can fuck her with it, like
like he's that's dangerous. He says something where they're like
touching each others like oh yeah, and like he's like,
but it's just like that's what it feels. It just
feels like because this woman accepts it for who oh, yeah,
it's just because a woman accepts them. But it's like
that's still I don't know, it's it's I just wish
they took out the line of read being like I
think I figured it out. Bug this shit at me,
just be like we this is where we are, and
then like that'd be better if he said I can't
figure He's like, well, that's okay, I'm gonna accept who
I am and live this like a few word changes
and that works better for me.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's very cheesy.
Speaker 6: There's at least that that sequence in there where ben
is really trying to set up Read and Sue throughout
this whole movie, and he had he has that one
scene when they're on the balcony and he's like, you know,
it's really important to have a great woman in your
life or something along those lines. So I feel like
it's set up a little bit that like, Okay, if
if he has that person that loves him and accepts
him for who he is, and he's gonna go and
then he gets that by the nd of the movie.
Even though like, first of all, was shocked to see
Carrie Washington in this movie at all. I was like, man,
I feel like I don't know much about her career.
I just after watching Little Fires Everywhere, expected that she
had done a bunch of different types of movies, but
to see her in this and then Jango recently, like,
I'm just surprised to see her and all these different things.
But yeah, I thought it was a very very interesting
role for her. And there, yeah, like once again two
scenes the same moment scenes as the ex wife. I
think like they're they're very much just like have an
intro and an outro, but like no middle section whatsoever.
So I can't remember what her presence is like in
the sequel, but I'm curious if.
Speaker 1: It's about the same. No, she's in there, it's about
the same. A couple of scenes and you're out and done.
But that was the thing where it's like I get
what they were doing because Victor was trying to very
I don't know, terribly set up Ben to like turn
against Reed. But yeah, the whole movie he's like, yeah,
they I got back together. And then he finds it
like what you guys doing talking to each other? Go on,
d Ben. He walks into the studio Victor, this is
why so bad. He's not even standing the studio alone.
He's standing in the studio alone in the dark, being like,
come on Ben. It works like there's no more like
villain villain. He's a bad guy. He's like, but read said,
oh reads one, look what he's doing. It works like
he's literally shadowed. Yeah, they're probably fucking, but I'm with you.
I'm here for you.
Speaker 3: Can fuck you don't have a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can give you your coat. Like he's
literally shadowed like a comic Coosh line.
Speaker 3: I can give you.
Speaker 1: He's shadowed like a comic book panel. And then's like,
I guess I'll get in the machine like fuck man,
Like come on even then, like why is he getting
so mad? Like what is read literally supposed to to
his mind, he's supposed to be like twenty four hours
is like working, like Ben, I'm gonna get you, Like
I think he just meant in general, like I'm gonna
help you, like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: When they have like the dinner between n and Ben
and like the whole lunch is just like Re's not
doing enough for you, you know, He's just all these
focuses on for Sue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sue, I loved two before Reid took it.
Speaker 2: It's like the whole conversation and then it just like
quick cut to him being he's waiting like read Read
and Sue like come out. It's like perfect timing. I
don't know if he's been waiting there all night waiting
for them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just been sitting there. Yeah. And then remember
the line too, They're like, oh Ben, He's like yeah,
most people say that when they see me. It's like no,
they're just surprised to see you there.
Speaker 3: Remember my name.
Speaker 1: He's It's such I wish it was like that was
something you have, Victor maybe Seed like early on in
act too, and then it proceeds, but it's like literally
just the third act pictures like hey, man, like I
think he's talking to Sue and he's not focused on you.
But it's just like what's the man's supposed to be.
Speaker 2: It is literally just him like confronting them. It's like,
you got to focus on me, not Sue. And he
was like pushing for that and the early portion of
the movie. So it just was so I like, I
was like laughing out loud in that in that sequence
of just how forced this was upon us of just
like the the the I.
Speaker 5: Guess yeah, division two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that was my point with Johnny too.
So they Ben this is the same scene Ben storms
out everything and then Johnny's like, oh, I got a
toy for you, and it's cloudburn Tom and he breaks
the toy like fun little scene, right, and then Sue
stalking at Johnny, but like, you gotta stop going out there,
go I get your head in the game. These people
don't love you yet to do right. And we know
the storyline. They've done it many times in many media
where okay, fame goes this guy's head and then he
realizes they are of his ways that never happens in
this movie. The movie literally ends with him just at
another party and they're like Johnny's Storm and he's like yeah,
like he literally learns nothing because he's like, no, they
love me. They love me. They don't have a scene
in there where people don't love him. Don't turn because
the next time Johnny's they had this argument and the
next time he's back is like what's going on? And
it's the final battle. So there's this weird they're trying
to do that you're immature, but like he's not wrong
and like spoil like in number two, like they still
just love Johnny Storm, Like he's not wrong at all.
So it was weird that they were trying to do
this like oh, well you are this hot head and
young and you don't get it. But they don't ever
pay that off. It's just like they needed, like what
we talked about, Rady, they just needed random reasons for
why will the team be not together? So Victor can
creep around in the lab and tell Ben like get
in this machine, you know, like and pick them apart
one by one, and it's just it's silly stuff because
I'm like Okay, there's gonna be something. And he doesn't
even like leave a party. He just shows up in
a cool jack like, oh yeah, what's going on? Oh well,
Ben's lost his power? Yeah the red jack. Yeah, Ben's
lost his powers. And Doom's over there, and that's another
bad line. They're like he has reading, he's like freezing them.
He hits him with two. He's like, what happens to
rubber when it's warm? And then find who have this
rubber when it's cold? Okay, writers, we get it. And
then he's like we're both doctors. And soon the next
time we see like because the weird thing is it's
not like Norman right, where that plasma whatever, the formula back,
it's messing with his mind, right, This is just Victor
getting more powers, if not established, his mind's being messed with.
So when Sue comes in, he's like, what have you
done with read Victory? He's like call me Doom. It's like,
why is he speaking like this all of a sudden,
like he just starts one second, he gets that mask
on there, just like let's have Julia mc mahon just
say comic book lines and that's it, and it's it's
so bad.
Speaker 2: I really would have liked if they if they had
like the storm actually affecting his mind and maybe a
mental thing more so than just you know, the the
chairman kick him out and that's just that's just the
d I mean, like the whole movie, he's just like
reads fucking.
Speaker 5: Me over, like like fuck read he was supposed to do.
Speaker 2: And oh my, when we were talking about his powers
of wegout to the shout out to when he's like
looking at his arm and the guy's like, it's completely midtle.
Speaker 5: It's like exactly like the shields that Reid said would particulate.
Speaker 1: The store, which honestly though is a very calm actor.
Like it's kind of a meme that Doom does always
blame Read from everything, so it is then they nail
that it does track. Yeah, but the way they had
it brought up was very kind of comedic and everything
like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was gonna say something else, but I've forgotten.
I was just thinking about Doom, how funny that was.
Speaker 6: I'll jump to Sue Storm then let's talk about her
a little bit more. I think she does suffer a
little bit in this of like, you know, for a
lot of it she's kind of like the accessory to
mister Fantastic or doom and like that love triangle part
of it, and like doesn't have enough story of her own.
But one thing I do really like is that I
feel like she kind of is the web that keeps
everyone attached to some extent. Obviously, she's got the brother connection,
she has the previous relationship with Reid.
Speaker 3: And that kind of on and off again thing. But
then also she's just like really close with Ben still,
Like when they see.
Speaker 6: Each other, they greet each other with a hug, and
she trust they both trust each other. So I really
liked it from that perspective. I feel like she was
a good charismatic way to kind of tie the characters together.
Ben kind of has connection with everyone too, but like
his connection with Johnny storms that they fucking hate each
other the whole way through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it honestly, it's like one, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 6: If if this movie was like clearly not written by
like a male writer in the early two thousands.
Speaker 3: I wonder what they would have done with it.
Speaker 6: Curious to see what kind of stuff they give her
in the sequel, But it makes me excited for the
new one because I don't know if it's rumors or confirmed,
but just hearing that, like, okay, it seems like Sue
is like the prime she's like the number one lead
of this new one that it's gonna be centered around
her to some extent. And if that is the case,
I'm pretty excited for that. I think there's a lot
of potential, just like from the character perspective of it.
Speaker 1: And the actress they got too, Kurt, Like, you got
someone leading that project, you know it's gonna be good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But then obviously there's so much like male gaze element
to Alba here, which you know, once again that's like
part of the cast scene as you mentioned with like
and whoever the actress was gonna be in this era
of colmic book movies and just movies in general, so
it makes sense and like it's not too egregious, but
there's definitely few scenes in there, like of course the
bridge sequence when she becomes as visible again and he's like, oh,
you've been working out, and like that moment when he
sees the suits and he's like, you know, he's all
going at at her.
Speaker 3: It looks like that it's actually the suit and all
the all these things. It's it's it's very cheesy, of course,
very of the time.
Speaker 5: I thought it was so strange too, like on the
break bridge sequence when it's like we can't make it
through but you can, and like like what does she do?
Speaker 2: Like really like does she just push people out of
the way to make a path and they fall the
kind it's like can you maybe do that?
Speaker 5: Work didn't I? Or work didn't it? And like like.
Speaker 6: Later on she helps with her force field, but like
that was clearly not the plan.
Speaker 5: Like like she just went visible and pushed people out
of the way, Like like is that.
Speaker 1: What happens to get her naked?
Speaker 2: It's just so strange and of course you know, as
a wee young lad, I saw no no issue with
that scene, but.
Speaker 1: It just made me seek fust scene may no.
Speaker 2: Sense, like like logistically on like how that helped them
actually get through because it's not like she's like dandy
phantom powers that she can just like no clip through people,
Like like she physically was pushing.
Speaker 5: People all the way and then they're just on the
other end. It's like work, work didn't it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: That that was that was a big hole in the
plot for me of just the necessity of that sequence.
But really it's just I guess they didn't think about that.
It's just like, yeah, let's just we'll have just Gallup
stripped down and she'll be naked.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it works. That was the point of
the scene, and they're like, okay, jet scene.
Speaker 1: Any actress is gonna be there. Was gonna have that
scene because I think that scene was shown in like
every trailer too, like her being the half naked I remember,
just like because they gotta.
Speaker 6: I feel like I have other DVDs where they have
a trailer for this, and I distinctly remember that, yes,
that scene, it was up there. Another like thing that
was just not needed at all was in the proposal
of the very end of the movie. Read goes down
on one knee stretchy so that he's still at her height,
and then later he shrinks down to be beneath her
when he's looking up to give her the rings, Like
why dude, you can't like this is not all she
loves to do your stretchy power.
Speaker 3: Does she love it? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she like gives a giggle like that sort of
move like yeah, like Albo, she's an interesting person.
Speaker 3: She's like so invisible during that sequence too.
Speaker 1: Is she embarrassed?
Speaker 3: What's going on?
Speaker 1: I think she's nervous. Yeah, I think she's nervous. And well,
is that that sequence or is that early on the bridge?
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the I'm thinking about the proposal at
the very end of the movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, I see in the middle of the bridge that
she also goes that, and he's like, oh, I'll try
my best. It's like, well, it's not just have her
grab your face, but yeah, almost interesting because I like
it's not to be mean. Like I've just never really
thought about her at all, because like, like what do
we cover, like not ever? But I me like in
the geek for Spear like this talking critically, has she
ever been in a movie we reviewed? Like a movie?
Speaker 6: Weirdly enough, Like I was just looking at like on
her IMDb in her you know, in that like top
four the most known for like Fantastic four one and
two are in there, and I would have thought that
she had like all these other roles that she's done
over the years that would be better, But like I
can't actually think of one off the top of my
head where she's really just been crushing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think she was just known for being
that the heart throb right of just like every guy,
and that's not a bad thing, like good for and
like that's what I was gonna also say is that
I actually don't think she's a bad actress. I don't
think I've seen a movie where I'm like, oh, she's
really bad. I don't think Jessic Alballs is like anyone
that's like, man, I love to see her in this world. Like,
I think she's a serviceable actor, you know, very she's
very charismatic. I think that's what she has. And I
think that's even something that like for the few scenes
they have together, I for some reason actually by her
and Chris Evans is like a brother sister duo like
they have, because sometimes that doesn't happen, right, that just
doesn't come off. So but I'm just trying to think
and even the geek first, like I don't think we've
done any retros with her in a movie. I don't
think we've reviewed every anything currently with her in a movie.
So like, yeah, like I think she's always serviceable and
she's good enough and stuff and uh and here, yeah,
I think she's like good enough with what they give her.
It's definitely a Sue's Surm of two thousand and five.
I feel like they even Joe, I guess I'll say
Johnny too, Like they're also supposed to be scientists that
go to space, but like they make them just kind
of there for the ride, like Read and Ben do
science things, Victor does science things, but Johnny, like when
they're just like who's gonna fly the plane? Like, oh
my brother, Johnny, Oh I'm not that guy. But it's like,
why is this guy flying the plane? What's his credentials?
But it doesn't matter because it's just like, Okay, they're
with Victor and they're part of the plot. So but
I think it's like I don't think anybody, even if
you would have got like Meryl Streep at this time,
like any a great actor like you were never gonna
get a great Sue Storm. This is all on the script,
you know, like it's all you can do, only do
what you do so much. And I think she's like
good enough chemistry with Ian who actually like Ian has
read a lot. I think he has like a lot
of read isms, like I think he's I think they
get that done very well where that is a read
Richard sing where he's constantly always he loves Sue, I
think more than anything, but he'll constantly put things in
tasks above her and he doesn't get it. I think
sometimes Read is almost like portrayed to someone was kind
of sometimes on the spectrum where he just doesn't understand
why people wouldn't think like, oh, well, why shouldn't the
science not come first? They don't get deep into that,
but they list that as the reason why they wouldn't
still still be together. So I liked there back and
forth and like I said, another kind of comic accurate
thing there. So yeah, I like her enough as Sue.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, like I really liked her back in the
day and then this time around, as I kind of
already mentioned, like I just found her very bland is
like extreme of a word I find, but it's just
like there was missing some spice I found, and Dylan,
like I did like what you said how she was
kind of like the glue to the overall team, because
in hindsight, I definitely think she fits that role well,
and I do think she has.
Speaker 5: One on one.
Speaker 2: Chemistry that's good enough with each character maybe minus read
I thought that was a little bit lesser, but like,
like I don't know even the moments with Victor like
I did like with her, but I don't know.
Speaker 5: I I think I just would like I saw it
in like a much higher.
Speaker 2: Just a better light maybe and in hind like looking
back on the movie, whereas this time around, uh, it
just didn't quite deliver to the full extent, whereas like
for Johnny it was like exactly what I remembered and
it was, it was fantastic, but but for her it
was a little bit less or so. But yeah, no,
it's it's interesting travid, Like I feel like I was
kind of thinking about the same because I haven't seen her.
Speaker 5: I think she's doing a show like right now or like.
Speaker 1: In the last four years, oh something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like I just while I was watching it,
I was kind of thinking about, like, what was the
last movie I actually saw Jessica Alba and and I
think it definitely just peaked around that time. So definitely
not too far off the mark on that observation there.
But yeah, no, I I don't know. I'm really stoked
for Vanessa Kirby's Sue Storm. I think it's an art
thing that like, Okay, I get Ben Grimm, you know,
he's the thing. I get Jonny Storm. He's like the
hot head, this young punk read I get it. He's
just he's like this this book smart guy that just
you know, he doesn't always get the best social signals
or he's too focused on his work. I feel like
Sue Storm is still like a character that, like, I
don't know what the proper version of this character is.
I don't know if it is the justc Alva. I
don't know if it is.
Speaker 5: No, I haven't seen fan for Stick. I imagine it's
not that so definitely not.
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping that they really nail it though with
the Vanessa Kirby one, because like, I love that actress,
and yeah, I just I want to see a powerful,
well written Sue Storm. She is a really powerful character.
Speaker 1: I think, like Dylan's like saying, like there is aspects
in the other comic books anything like that where she
is kind of the glue. But I think the other
thing is she's kind of not that these characters don't
have it, but she's sometimes the humanity. She's somebody because
literally in Civil War, her and Reid going different side
because she just goes like you just don't get it,
you don't get the mistakes you're making here, So they
feel like she is and nothing. That's to sound like, oh,
a stereotypical woman male character. But I think she has
heart in a different way than some of the characters do.
And I think she has looked upon as the leader
because Read might be like the smartest man in the world,
but he might not do what's best. He's gonna do
like what the book says, like what science says, but
he doesn't. It's the you know, Jurassic Park, like you
didn't ask you know if you could before you did
or whatever it is right here? What's the fucking quote?
Speaker 5: You know you always say it?
Speaker 4: Yes, say scientists are too preoccupied with whether or not
they could. They didn't stop to see if whether or
not they should should.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as Read richards at times, right, he's something
that has done a lot of questionable things. So that's
where I'd say, like she has humanity than a lot
of the other maybe combo character. So I think you'll
get that with Kirby, and she's also supposed to be
I think they should show off, like with all these
characters in first steps, they should show off that they're
all very smart. They should all be equal scientists. They
should have like the scene when like Dawn and Ruffalo
are creating Ultron. They need a scene like that. But
all four of them are bouncing off each other and
all throwing this out. Not just like Reid locked away
in a room. You can do that, but not just
read in all in this movie. In the next week,
it's always like, what's the issue? And then Reid goes
in a room and he comes up, Oh, well, I
figured it out. They're doing nothing. These people are also
supposed to be scientists too, Like it's just on Reid
to fix this, like it was his mistake. But do
there have any thoughts on Sue Storm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved hearing this movie. I thought she was great.
And again this is because I have a lack there
of knowledge on what Sustorm is supposed to be of
a character. So this is really my only interpretation aside
from the nineties one that we got. But again, I
don't think those characters necessarily got really fleshed out.
Speaker 5: They were very much no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just characters. But yeah, I think that there
is a little Taylor definitely had a little bit of
a crush on Jesscal but that of.
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, that's a big controversial Yeah how could you?
Which was funny because we're just so you brought the
nineties one when Caro Washington was rubbing the thing's face
and he was like, oh, I thought about that movie.
It jumped in my mind of the but obviously he
didn't go full manty, but we had parallel into that movie.
Speaker 4: So yeah, you reminded me talking about Jessical. But here
of a scene on the bridge, circling back to the
bridge when they basically told her, okay, you need like
your clothes, you need to go invisible, and so she
strips down and goes invisible and she has to sneak
past the cops. The next scene they're all grouped together
past the cops and it's like, why did she have
to go invisible and take your clothes off?
Speaker 1: So for the lilisteners, Taylor did step out made that exactly. Yeah,
we did say it was just to get her nude.
Like it literally was just like, how what reason could
we be for to get our clothes off? We'll do
this because like even out then you would just think
they'd be able to get over there, like they have
their powers now, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just want yeah, I want to circle
back to that. That's just kidding me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything specifically. I got lots of little notes, but yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean we've kind of talked about Johnny storm in passing,
but just talking about a little bit more.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 6: I think, especially even after my rewatch from a couple
of years ago, I kind of since I wasn't paying
as much attention, I was really impressed by Chris Evans here.
Speaker 3: I just think he's so much fun.
Speaker 6: Like the whole way through, and he has the annoying
piece of shit Braddy kind of guy, but like it
really works. He really pulls it off. Some of the writing,
of course, is early two thousands of male writer syndrome,
but it's it's still like I still.
Speaker 3: Found it really fun.
Speaker 6: There's like one sequence I really liked is I kind
of near the end of the movie, when like Doom's
tower and the fantastic the Baxter Building, I guess or
like close enough that they could just look at each
other with like a telescope, And I thought it was
so funny that Doom shoots a Bazouka shot over there,
and then Johnny Storm's he's trying to side like him
and Sue are.
Speaker 3: They're trying to decide what to do, and.
Speaker 6: She says, don't even think about it, and he says,
never do and they jumps off the roof.
Speaker 3: Like that is that is great? Like that that's actually
a great piece of dialogue.
Speaker 6: Really sums up the characters well and their relationship together,
the siblingness of it. But yeah, overall, I thought he
was just so much fun. I really liked the kind
of brotherly sibling rivalry that him and Ben Graham actually
have with each other. I know they're not actually siblings,
but they have that kind of energy to it. It
makes me really curious where we're gonna go with the
sequel here because they don't remember what their dynamic is.
But I feel like the end of this movie kind
of ends where like, oh, they've finally set up their differences,
but then Johnny's like kind of a piece of shit again,
like jokingly, and so I'm curious where that relationship is
going to go. But man, that sequence at the very beginning,
when Ben just wakes up from the space station and
he has been out for a few days and everyone
else has been up, and Johnny Storm's in there and
just fucking pranks him, telling him that he's had this
horrific act.
Speaker 3: Like that is gold. Like that scene is still a
ten out of ten. Totally stands up. So there's some
really great moments between those two in particular. I like
their I like their dynamic.
Speaker 1: I know what happened, but they couldn't fix your face.
Yeah yeah, no, they good good chemistry and uh rip
to this Johnny Storm.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Uh poor Wade got them yeah skin dirty, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, his own words, So it.
Speaker 1: Was it did himself and you can almost believe it too,
like that guy would get as I just said that,
they tried to teach him maturity and he doesn't learn
in this movie nor in the next. It's like, yeah,
just fits. He gets spirals out of control, you know.
So damn.
Speaker 5: Kind of talked about.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like I stepped away when
we were talking about Dooms. Hey, guys might have covered it,
but the whole Latvaria thing with Doom. They again, something
completely went over my head the first time I watched
this movie back in the day. But like they make
multiple points of like especially like the the one chairman guy,
he's like, maybe you should go back to Latvaria.
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, start fresh.
Speaker 1: He says that, but like I put in all caps
because he speaks normally util it gets a lot very
maybe she goes back to lat Veria, Like he raises
his voice like it must have been in bold in
the script and it's probably because it was an easter egg,
but the actor took it as like.
Speaker 3: Oh they like edited in afterwards or something.
Speaker 1: Ye, he was completely normous to Lavaria. But yeah, continue
So like Laveria.
Speaker 5: Is it like a European country or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a made up European country.
Speaker 5: Where or Doom? I'm like, yeah, he's American. You know,
he grew up in New York. Like it's just like
go back to Laveria, Like this is Socialidad.
Speaker 2: Where you came from raised you know me now, outside
of this movie, like I know about the tie between
Victor von Doom and that Varia, but just to like
happen to this movie, it just seems so so out
of the blue and like to your point, like it
almost seemed like they just threw it in like post
post production just to like actually have the tie there
and then yeah, when he sees the uh the humanitarian
thing because it was Lavaria also on like they gave.
Speaker 1: It to him, which is which is like a fucked
up country where it's like the leader family of the
country like was awarded a humanitarian award. It doesn't make
much sense. But I imagine I don't think Danny's gonna
have an accent either, so we're gonna have that problem
again where it's just so I grew up in America
and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But uh, it just seemed like why even do this,
you know, if you have like no actual like, well,
I'm gonna go back to Lavaria and get powerful and
come back and kick your ass like it just it
just seems so unnecessary.
Speaker 5: To get it in there.
Speaker 1: He could just be like a bit like I guess
it just I guess nice enough credit to them, just
have it in there for the com book geeks and nerds,
because like he could still just be a rich business
white guy who got these powers. Like there's nothing about
like like even the sequel, they don't like go to Latveria,
like he think it's not really like it's not a
plot point just because he's on a spot in Ice
doesn't mean oh it's fucking Latvaria like they go there though, Yeah,
but it doesn't play into the plot. It never plays
into like Doom brings them to their home turf in
this movie or the next movie, it's like, oh, you
got to deal with that Varia. It's just like it's
just there and same thing, Like I don't even understand
the end of this movie. Why does he get to
get expedited to lat Area like he's looking for or
looking out for him, right, he clearly was a war criminal,
which I absolutely that was one thing started it. And
I remember because I always say Departed was six that
started my film criticisms, but it started early here like
as Semblance. I remember watching this movie like, man, fucking
hate how they beat Doom. Dune gets beaten so easily.
The final battle for me is very underwhelming, and like
I get it, what happens the hot metal when you're cool?
Like he says the line back to him pretty much,
but like I just thought it was Doom was like
a very quickly dispatched and as a kid who was
a Doom fan, I was like, man, this fucking sucks,
and yeah, so I very kind.
Speaker 3: Of lackluster Sano's puncher.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, No, definitely not man.
Speaker 2: When they're doing the back and forth, do you know
what happens to rubber when it's when it's frozen? And like,
in my mind, it's just like the same thing that
happens everything else. And then I'm like, what movie is
that from?
Speaker 1: Again?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what Storm says to uh to Toad. Great,
great line. No, not the freezing part, but.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what happens when he freeze rubber
and it's like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 2: The same thing that happens everything else. I I kind
of chuckled, and I don't know, I found it funny.
I've seeing in the end Victor's like hood gets like
knocked off and he's just a hoodless Victor. I don't
know if I've ever seen Doctor Doom like without a
hood in other media's And it just looks so strange
to be like it.
Speaker 5: Don't like it at all.
Speaker 2: It seems like it's cool as this factor goes from
like one hundred down to ten instantly, it's.
Speaker 1: Like a Halloween costume thing, Like the hood just won't
fucking stay on it. It just looks awful without it. Yeah,
I agree, what do you got it? Mister up later
and just keep talking. You'll see, you'll see.
Speaker 5: That's all my notes.
Speaker 6: Like a couple couple of quick things. One in one
of the sequences, when they're all running some tests, Sue
uses this little hammer on things knee and like no
reaction happens, and then read he brings up a big one.
I just love the shot where they after he smashes
it with the hammer. Camera angle switches to like a
first person perspective almost, and there's just a chair fucking
flying across the smashing against the wall. Really really great
shot I got. That got a good chuckle out of me.
The Stanley cameo in this I kind of forgot that
there was one, But it's cool, and I think because
in I forget what movie it is when he does
like the Tony Stank delivery. But I guess this is
the second time or maybe even more, that he's been
a delivery man as one of his cameos.
Speaker 3: M Is there a third one? Because I feel like
that I could see it happening again at some point.
Speaker 1: It's an easy one. Who knows me? The guy when
he drank the strong kick maybe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that was a delivery man.
Speaker 6: And then the last question for you guys that I
had was, so Johnny Storm, he's come back now, And
obviously there was the Chris Evans connection, of course, which
is why we always wanted that to happen.
Speaker 5: Is there anyone else.
Speaker 3: From this movie that you would want to see come
back in like a multiversal situation.
Speaker 1: Julie Man Baby, No, with Downey, there there's no chance
to bring anybody, not really because for me, like Evans
was the one because you have like the tie, and
for me it's like now that that character is. If
he wasn't dead, i'd say, oh, get him all back
for something fun. But I feel like it'd be kind
of odd to have all three of them and not him.
The only thing I will say is if they ever
do the Council of Reads, Ian will be back. Yeah,
I think yeah. So I think we'll see Gret Bufford now.
Speaker 3: That we don't have a canceled Council of Kangs, we
might as well do that at some point.
Speaker 1: So I think you'll get him back.
Speaker 2: But him, i'd love him back if he's like the
weird read that like pisses on people, you know, they
do some weird like horrible bosses.
Speaker 5: That works read, Yeah, it works.
Speaker 4: I would love to see either Sus Storm or Ben
Grimms only because we've seen a well we've seen so
far to Johnny and we've seen a read. I mean,
I would love to see this read.
Speaker 3: But we've already your top ten characters of all times.
Speaker 1: Don't even bring that up again. Yeah yeah, but like
I guess, I just feel like read makes sense for
like just other scenarios because they're like the world's smartest
man and everything and uh plus like at some point
if they want to if they want to do oh god,
I can't remember the villain name he gets. It's like
the Imaginer, the toy Master or something. But one of
the reads becomes big evil and that's where a lot
of people want that to be Miles Teller. But the Maker,
the Maker, Yes, he goes full on villain and everything like.
Speaker 5: That, so cool costume. We'll give him the.
Speaker 1: Maker Kirklize his name. But I like the worlds. I'm
a smart guy. Fun fun little line there from Johnny.
Speaker 5: You know, I like, yeah, he's doing the comparison. It's
like you got you got Victor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, suave Rich tape pays attention to the suit and
I do like that. He goes to propose the Susan
in space, and Reid does interrupt that it is for
a good reason, but Victor just like thinks it's knowne
like just looks at me, just like passed, like, yeah,
you can't just let me propose to her. But no,
a little weird moment like I get because Reid has
some of the com books. But after their accident, Johnny
goes over like, oh, your hair, like he mentions his
gray hair. Dude, barely got any gray hair. They could
have game a lot more like they look in the mirror.
It's like it's a couple of strands. You could just die,
said the same thing. Yeah, it just looks like it's
like a tinge whiter. It's like crazy. He usually has
like wings of gray hair like what Page's got right now.
So it's like this isn't even noticeable, like in one
light you can't even see it. So, uh, there was
one when they get back to Baxter Building. I can't
remember what happens. It is in the Stanley moment, but
they get the mail and it's like showing like reading
them are all in debt and he goes, oh, we
had a tough year, and then things like yeah, like
nine straight. I genuinely liked that line. It was a
good moment. He did what I wanted to bring up.
Here is this scene. Uh, this was the original scene.
So this is Read and this is the earlier where
we where Sue just says that she's no longer a
victor and wants to be with Read again. No development,
what happens whatsoever. But this was the original when he's like, oh,
you need a strong man. So this is what he
originally turned into. Okay, so I'll go back to the trunk.
That's that's not sure. So that was the original idea
was he was going to look like Hugh Jackman's Wolverine,
but alviesoly because it didn't look good. They took that back.
But that this is a true this is the real
thing on the DVD. So and yeah, it's kind of funny.
They had a lot of things like that, like they
have like a in the X Men movie, there's an
extra that wears a Spider Man suit and runs into
an action scene and scares them, and when they're filming
Spider Man, Hugh Jackman was on set one day and
they wanted to walk by, but he's like, well, I
don't have the jack Jackie with me, so no one
will know. Dumb decision. But it's weird, like all these
movies like had a little light behind the scenes like
oh we should connect them, but they probably be like, oh,
we can't do this. But yeah, he turned into uh
read Richards.
Speaker 3: That was a horrific it is image right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a few times, so I thought I
had to bring it up here. So and it's funny
because I'll get to a trivia because at one point
they did, I think, offer read to Hugh Jackman, so uh,
there you go. Even after Wolverine, he had been offered
iron Man Punisher read like even though Wolverine people liked
him as that so pos post Wolverine, Yeah, he had
been offered bond as. It's funny enough him and Julian
McMahon were in the running for uh Craig's bond. They
were some of the people. It was Cavil McMahon Jackman Craig,
but yeah they were because Julie McMahon has that same
thing dark hair, and I went to the blondie so
let's see I have said that. Uh oh, that's what
it was. I'm sorry that I earlier when I saw
with the wedding line thing has his wine glass and
he you know, cheers his his new girlfriend and she's like,
you gotta work on your touch. And that's when he
grabs her by the ass, Like yeah, I knew, And
that was the lines lead can killer.
Speaker 3: He could fucking kill her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's everything. Oh, let's see. Nope,
that's uh no, I'm all that with my notes, no lists,
no notes, no notes. Okay, let's get to some trivia here.
Uh for most to shoot, Michael Chickliss was terribly uncomfortable
in the hot thing suit. The final street battle, however,
was filmed in Vancouver in December, leaving Chickliss as the
only comfortable one as the rest of four wear in
skin tight blue uniform. So he was loving it because
he got that cool air. But the rest of the
castle was freezing their fucking asses off, just running around
trying to be fantastic four Let's see here erin Grafufford's
effort to keep an American accent continually were hampered by
the fact he would receive new script pages on a
regular basis, forcing him to learn new lines on short notice.
So I think he's like he might be. He's British
or Irish, he has something. He's not American. But yeah,
poor guy learned his fucking lines every night and then
he gets there six am. Oh, no new paragraph for you.
Let's see Michael Chickliss. Oh he's Welsh. There you go.
Was the only four actors that was already familiar with
The Fantastic Four. The actor who played Thing he had
been a devoted fan of the things since childhood. He
eagerly fought to play a real thing that rather have
a computer generated character. Chicklus wore sixty pounds of latex,
which took three hours to get into. To keep Chicklist cool,
a rock was removed from his head and cold air
was sprayed. I know that's what it says. And cold
air was sprayed in the gap between the suit and
the actors. So that's why I won. The piece of
the head is not there. They've sprayed a.
Speaker 6: Basically I would activate like claustrophobia and a lot a
lot of people.
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. Sit there for three hours, sixty
pounds of latex, but like the three hours, so they're
not moving. I don't know what this meant in the trivia,
said Michael Chickliss was offered the role of the Thing
after Jennifer Gardner suggested him for it. So I guess
she was maybe a friend with a producer in the
post electorate world, or yeah, it would have been because
Daredevil was three so and it was Fox. So I
maybe she just knew a producer and say like, hey,
talk to Chickliss. You know, Thing notices that Alicia's art
gallery and she, oh, say sorry, Thing notices puppets at
Alicia's art gallery, and she says, belongs to her father.
In the comics, Alicia's stepfather, Philip masters as a superfilm
The Puppet Master a full fantastic war so setting up
some villains down the line that didn't happen. Paul Walker
was considered for Johnny Storm, which is like a like
a no duh, like that's tracks for that era. During development,
Chris Columbus, who directed the first Harry Potter Home Alone,
lots of classics push for the film have a heavily
comedic tone along the lines of Batman sixty six, so
Dylan knows what I'm talking about there. Despite being higher
because of his comedy background, Tim's story was able to
persuade Columbius that going in the outright comedy tone would
be a disaster, and pointed to the success of Spider
Man two thousand and two is proof that the film
could contain plenty of humorous elements well having a general
serious overline storyline, which I think for the most but
I think they still were like, I think it's all
still more comedic than Spider Man and X Men, but
I think it's better than being Batman sixty six, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, pretty comedic, but then the doom stuff's like
super dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. Griffufford was excited, was very excited, showing
off his Welsh parents. There you go that he was
working on a major Hollywood production. Unfortunately, the day they
came to visit, all he was feeling was an elevator scene,
so he got them very excited. There. Albo died her
hair for this movie, but wore a wake for the second.
As I just said. Yeah, Hugh Jackman was offered the
role of Reid but turned it down. Jessica Album met
her future husband on the set of this movie. Cash
was the assistant of the film director. Tim story, which
I can't remember. Was it Alien we just covered was
another one where someone met their husband or wife as
a set person. So you know, happens a lot over there.
So it was Julian Man's idea to have Victor Scar
sealed by surgical stapers due to his role on Nip Tuck.
That's my chief plug to go watch Nip Tuck because
he plays a surgeon. In two thousand and three, Peyton Reed,
who would go on to a direct ant Man pitch
a Fantastic four film to Fox with the proposed cast
is I didn't really know this guy. Alexis Denis Off
as Read Richards, Charlie starn On a Sue Storm, Paul Walkers,
John Walker, John c Johnny Storm, Sorry, John c Riley
as Ben Graham, John c Riy is Ben Graham, and
then Jude Law as Doctor Doom. So there you go, Taylor,
you can add that.
Speaker 5: Just answer your question.
Speaker 4: It was Beatle Juice.
Speaker 5: Who's Catherine O'Hara, Thank you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just did. Yeah, Hey, there you go.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Tim's story had to ask his wife's permission if you
could make this film the director because his wife was
expecting a child at the time. George Clooney Brennon Fraser, Yeah,
and their divorced now George Clodian Brenon Fraser were considered
for the role mister Fantastic, which, like George would never
done it, and Fraser doesn't have the right or off
for that in my opinion. I love Fraser, but just
not the right one. Doctor Doom is a monarch of Latveria.
Juli mcmanhn is the son of a real world leader,
Australian Prime Minister Billy McMahon. So there you go. Some
real life ISM's there. This is just a fun fact,
just kind of crazy that this stuff happened. Two thousand
and five also had Electra and Batman begin plus this
West you had three combook movies. I do think it's
like a of course, I'm anol knite, but like the
quality between Electra and Fantastic four to Batman begins, it
is just like it's outstanding. But I'm We've still got
an Electron. I'm excited We're going to uh at some
point when Dared Double comes back, probably do that. And
then finally Julie Styles, Kate Bossworth Rachel McAdams, Scarlet Johansson,
Elizabeth Banks, and Tris Strass. We're all considered for the
roles Sue Storm slash Invisible Woman Souls where names died
about back then. Sure Strass is a legendary wrestler as
well who looks identical to Sue Storm. So that is
all the jury have for. Fantastic for mister Patzer, which
actually I'm gonna go first because maybe I might have
the lowest score on this. I would give this like
a six point five seven ish, like I've said before,
seven to four five. That gets the range of me
rewatching it. I won't, but it gives that for a
past definitely worst comic book movies out there. Still it's
a fun, light, enjoyable watch. Even the stuff that's like, ugh,
this is not great, like the third act, it's still
I think I said slog earlier, but it still goes
by relatively fast. So yeah, I know that's where I am.
At six point five, it's like a or is it six?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a C plus. Yeah, that's fine.
That's good enough for me. Yes, So six point five.
Speaker 5: I think I'll ride that wave with you. Six point
five I think that's appropriate.
Speaker 2: I think I was much lower, like after I finished
the movie just because of like it really for me
drops off after like that first act is just it's
stellar to me, Like I.
Speaker 5: Really really love that.
Speaker 2: Even though there's like some cheesy jokes or just like
the dialogue it seems dated. It's not as data as
maybe I would have thought. So really quite liked it.
I still had a fun time with it. So I
think that's like the main reason why I do have
to pass it. I have a lot of nostalgia for
this film, and yeah, very interested to see how Soilver
Surfer will do because I thought this was going to
be like a nine out of ten for me, honestly,
come to the like, I just I love this movie
as a kid.
Speaker 5: Shouts out to that game too. That game is so
good the movie tie in.
Speaker 6: Who Does on the shelf and many game stores, and
I've always passed it up assuming it was shit, So
maybe I should go pick it up.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got at least two players, so that'd be
a good stream game as well. I think it's at
least two, so yeah, can have some fun with that.
Speaker 3: Take that out of your CD case there.
Speaker 2: I'll start looking at the PS two set up for
the stream, I still got two PS two.
Speaker 5: I'll bring my PS two case then.
Speaker 3: Better than your PS four you just throw on the
ground like, of.
Speaker 1: Course PS two is a classic, you know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, six point five, I think that's I think
that's appropriate seven point four for me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna drop a easy eight point seventy five, not
quite a nine, but it's a high eight because this
movie is great. I think it aged exceptionally well for me,
and I will happily rewatch this one again in the future.
I wish I watched this one sooner because I forgot
how amazing this movie is.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. We will be back with the
next one. Of like Kirkland said, I think it's two
thousand and seven, which again a year before The Dark Knight.
Kind of scary. But the Rise of the Silver Surfer.
He got glacked, has got Silver Surfer? What could go wrong?
Why did they not make a third? Well, I think
we'll find out next time when we talk about it.
We will be back then and it will not be boring. Bye.
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