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and welcome back to the Fantastic Stick for retrospective on

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by I am the world's dumbest smart guy

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Speaker 1: There we go, ladies, gentlemen, Yes we are here. We

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are continuing. This is episode two, Episode two of the

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Fantastic four retrospective. You can go back last month we

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reviewed Fantastic four then nineteen eighty five version, Yes, and

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don't know what's happening, but uh, I got no transition.

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We're talking about the two thousand and five tim story

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mister Field, I'm gonna start with you. What are your

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memories of this film if you've seen it before, and

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what do you think of it currently as we are

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Speaker 4: Yes, I have seen this movie many a time before.

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when I was like really really young, back to back

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time period as well. So Little Taylor was seeing Green

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Goblin on screen and seeing like Victor von Doom here,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I want to be a supervillain.

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Speaker 1: I you wanted to. You want to become a billionaire,

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have it the company taken away from you, and then

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swear revenge on them.

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Speaker 4: That's oh yeah, I wanted to experience it.

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Speaker 1: Fuck, guys, that's what he's gonna do to us. We're

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gonna bring a geek first to multi billion dollar corporation,

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Speaker 2: And then get a parcade, a parkade like Taylor.

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Speaker 5: Nothing personal, right, it's.

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Speaker 1: Not a negotiation, it's a notification we're pulling out.

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Speaker 4: I want the boardroom and everything though.

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Speaker 1: We'll get there one day.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, these movies are well, this movie is just fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Love this movie. It's great. I had such a fun time.

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that just is lower than that. It's like, what the

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fuck you're doing? So this movie has the what the

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the Rings because everyone said Gollam was like the next

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those critics are wrong that said that.

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conflict against each other, not like uncertainty where they're trying

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just doesn't make any sense why the woman chose to

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do something that she did. It just blew my mind

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Speaker 1: Mister Muss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one that I really loved.

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each other and they're often unknown stuff. But then you

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Speaker 1: Now, mister pat so you can you can go.

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Speaker 5: Thank you sir.

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movie Tian one. Yep, it is so good. I don't

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breathed clearly this movie. So I'm gonna I'm gonna be

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a Daja vuom moment where I felt like I just

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that I was coming into it expecting to just be

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like the last fight is good enough. But yeah, it

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watching it, and I'm I'm watching, you know, first act,

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I'm like, man, this is gonna be like a ten

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out of ten movie, Like.

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Speaker 5: This is just as good as I remember.

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Speaker 2: And then and then and then you know, we get

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into some of the team kinda just button heads or

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maybe we have some Victor stuff. And then I'm like

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thinking back and I'm like, oh, I remember being like

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bored while watching this movie as a kid, like near

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these scenes, like I remember actually like only really loving

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the early portions of the movie.

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Speaker 5: Now, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that that was kind of an interesting one to have,

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But I still had fun watching it.

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Speaker 5: I watched it with Shane and.

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Speaker 2: Like she said that she she really liked it as

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a kid too, so it was kind of funny for

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us to both like go through it again and kind

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of compare the nostalgia stories in that sense. But uh, yeah,

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I think the cast is really good. I really don't

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think what's the chap's name? I never know how to

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pronounce his first name. Yeah, I really don't think him

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and Jessica Alba have like good on screen chemistry together,

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like romance wise.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm alone in that sense.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like there it's like a love dynamic

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of like they had history and then like they didn't

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fully have closure, and I'm just like, man, this guy

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is like a wall, Like Jessica Alva is like giving

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him so much.

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Speaker 5: But I don't know. I you know, he talk about

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that when we get there, But.

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Speaker 2: That's is that like how it's written though, I guess

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so yeah, yeah, so it might be perfect.

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Speaker 5: It might be perfect.

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Speaker 3: Acting clueless like the whole way through that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, and I don't think that's very entertaining.

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Speaker 3: How you'll feel about that? Yeah, watching it with a

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fresh eye.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like by the end, like he proposes and I'm

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like this is so fucking weird, like they've been broken

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up for that long. But I don't think I've seen

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this guy in much other than this and Horrible Bosses,

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which of course I like, just watch and.

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Speaker 4: That's all I see.

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Speaker 1: No Painter, the wet works guy.

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Speaker 5: They him, Yeah, the men seeking Men's.

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Speaker 1: He's unfortunate because I feel like, for that one scene,

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I'm like, this guy has comedic chops and he should

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be in more call like he is great at the

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straight deadpan delivery.

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Speaker 3: Fuck man, but so good, so good.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I I I really loved him as re

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and like I don't know, like I I mentioned him

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just being kind of a blank well but I still

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like read for the most part of like the science

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he read, so you know, we'll get into that when

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we get into it. But yeah, it was it was

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a fun one to go through. I'm glad I didn't

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like watch this a couple of years ago, Like I'm

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glad I had that length of time in between, like

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that long cool down period, just because Yeah, this was

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like definitely one of my favorite movies as a kid,

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and the parts that I remember loving I actually really

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did still like, so so that was really nice. And yeah,

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what's Julian McMahon. I don't think I've really seen him

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in anything other than this. I don't know I should

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pull up. I know you're gonna keep saying nip tuck,

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but just like beyond that, and even Michael chicklist Ben

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Grimm's character, like I really liked him in this movie too,

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and it's just like, man, watch.

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Speaker 1: The Shield baby the ether FX show. Yeah, Agent of

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Shield or just the Shield. Okay, Walden Goggins is in it.

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He's in like he's his prime antagonist. Is a detective show.

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It's like a hard, gritty one but cool.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Good actors at the time. So yeah, this is a

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movie that I saw. We'll get to the sequel. But

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I was seeing most small movies in theaters. But as

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I said before, I was not a big Fantastic four guy.

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So this is one I felt like I just saw

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a necessity because it's like, wow, we don't get many

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comic movies, so here we go. I remember seeing this

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maybe in the theater and then one other time and

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not really enjoying it. I think someone still has to

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do with Like I just was not a fantastic I'm

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a Doom guy. I'm not a Fantastic four guy at

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that point. I was also not a Julia McMahon guy either,

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so that didn't have me like it was retroactive.

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Speaker 5: What have you seen that You're like, I don't like

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this guy? Or is it just this?

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Speaker 1: No? Not, that wasn't it. I just like didn't have

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like a club you're saying, yeah, I thought nothing of him.

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I didn't know his town stuff like that, so I

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really had nothing, And I thought it was just like

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the generational like every young boy being like, well, Jessica Alba, man,

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she's really gorgeous, you know, like that she was like

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for this era, she was the it girl of like

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on people's wallpapers, on their computer and stuff like that. Right,

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Like there's every three years someone has that ground and

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she definitely had that, like this employee of the month,

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like there's a whole sphere there, right she did? Was

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that Blue Water Blue something? She's a surfer blue there

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you go. Yeah, there's a lot of those type of movies.

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So I hadn't watched it for a long time, and

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then I had rewatched it about four years ago when

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we were in the middle of COVID because we were

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originally going to do this. I talked about this last week,

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but we were going to do the retrospective, so I

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watched it in preparation for that. Movies came back, so

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we never did it, and here we are now. But

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my thoughts on it now are the same way I

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did when I rewatched the COVID that did hold up

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better than I was expecting. I remember, I remember liking

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it a lot less than not really caring about it. Now,

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this isn't one that's gonna be in the rotation lots,

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but I think I just was surprised of how good

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or better than I thought it was gonna be. Stuff

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like even Chris Evans that I thought, Okay, yeah he

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is human torch, but he's cap. He's for sure cap.

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Chris Evans is fucking astounding in this movie. And I'm

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not saying this revisions history. I've said this before, Like

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he is an actively great Johnny Storm, like he does

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so well. Man. I think everyone's good in their roles.

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I think even Ian is like with a great script.

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I'd love to see him and Julia McMahon playing like

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Read and Doom, because there's some moments I have together

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I'm like, oh, I can see something here, but you're

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stuck in a two thousand and five movie and that sucks.

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And this is definitely like feels like a Colonne of

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Spider Man, like that's the bit we'll get into Doom.

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But like that's the worst part about Doom is they

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literally saw Green Gone, like well, let's just do that,

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and it sucks because like, yeah, like jokes aside, I

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love Niptuck and McMahon would have been like a perfect

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victory of on Doom. He can be suave, he's very cold,

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and the best thing is he has those fucking green eyes,

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which are really good. His eyes in the mass very piercing.

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You need someone with great eyes. I don't know if

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Downing he's gonna have that, but uh, that's the thing

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where it's just not like deep and oh my god,

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what is that. It never gets like deep enough. You know.

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It's like, I think great set up with the origin.

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I think there's fun high jinks, but you never find

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something there. Even in the middle of the movie, they

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try to do this plot with Johnny about how he's

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like immature, but the end of the movie it just

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proves him right. So it's like, oh, like the immature

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guy's right, that's kind of odd, Like there's little things

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where you go. It just never gets to like what

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Spider Man did with the Goblin or what X Men

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did with like the racial and sexism kind of allegories.

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It never finds that step. And I think the family

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dynamic could have been that, but it just resorted to

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like what you guys said to all the way bicker

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and they get back together. It's like, Okay, we've seen

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that time and time, and the third act in this movie. Yeah,

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the third act is a it's kind of a slog.

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It's not a long movie, but it's just like superhero

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boring stuff. It's a classic superhero third act where a

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fucking five year old could write it and then they

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just go film it. Like even just the lines they're giving.

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I have a couple ridden down there, just like do

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one point. She's like, and when I get this, I'll

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be unstoppable. It's just like man like people have been

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saying this shit since eighties, like you gotta think of

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something else. So I still enjoy it. I'll watch it

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every once in a while, but like, I don't know

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actively what I'm gonna rewatch it again. I did because

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the retro. But maybe like the next time with the girls,

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maybe when Fantastic four is coming out, maybe you'll be

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in like five years from now. I don't know. So

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I did enjoy it. It's definitely a pass, but it's

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not one that's in the It's not in the Blade,

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X Men, Spider Man camp of this generation.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's definitely a step down. It's no Electra, it's no

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sorry tell their ghostwriter. But it's clearly in like that

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second Eschalon of movies for me. But it's it's happily

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doing its thing, you know. So right, have four, let's

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talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Man, you you compare it to two or almost had

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two and five Spider Man. There's two five Fantastic four,

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just with Spider Man. I I don't know why, but

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I I think, well, I do know why. It's nostalgia

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and just because we talk about these movies so much.

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But the cliche of like the boardroom and like the chairman,

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like outing, I fucking love that cliche so much.

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Speaker 1: It's literally down to the tee big accent happens. Victor

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thinks he's fine. They say I'm coming for a meeting.

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Here out what do you mean it's not negotiation, it's

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a notification so.

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Speaker 2: Hard when he goes to the board and like, let's

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just talk about the fuck it. I don't know if

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you guys notice this while you're watching it, but the

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design of like the boardroom too, it looks like such

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a stereotypical, like evil genius. They have like a bust

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of like a man and you know what, you know

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what I'm talking about, the bust a victor, like.

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Speaker 5: Just on the side.

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Speaker 1: Hands.

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Speaker 2: The chairs are so extra like it's just such a

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crazy design. And you have these board members that are

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just like you're out, Norman and and like like you

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can't do this with me, you know much money, Like.

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Speaker 5: It's like the exact same it is. I was eating

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it up, and of course I never realized it back

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in the day, but me now watching this, I was

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smiling ear to ear.

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Speaker 2: I was wanting more of those scenes just because I

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was loving it so much. So yeah, that cliche of

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having like the just like the evil chairman outing the

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owner of the company, Oh my god, I love that

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so much, and pretty much just because of Norman, but god,

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I I love that sequence so much.

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Speaker 1: And they literally have a guy like when they say

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you're out, Norman, he's where he says, we're pulling out,

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Like they literally have him say out like this. It's

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it's all but it's like they do the same thing

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out am. I Like when he kills the guy in

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the parking eight, I can't remember what he says, but

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he says something.

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Speaker 4: Him say you're fired.

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Speaker 1: Does he say he says something like that where.

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Speaker 4: He says it's a sue Susan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said in the final battle, Oh man, I

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felt so bad for mcmah. They give him so many

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bad lines like I guess you're fired too, and then

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like he hits her with like it's like, oh my god,

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Like it's just it's tough. But yeah, that that's definitely

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the biggest complaint that they just they saw what worked

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with Dafoe and they just copy that and move that

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over here. And there's some doo things they get right

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where the apt which I don't think we're gonna get

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in the next Fantastic Four because of Downey, the aspect

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00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:20,279
of Read and Victor being like rivals their whole life.

474
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,920
I enjoy that and I'm excited to get to the sequel.

475
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:24,640
I watched that and day, and there's aspects where they

476
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,839
always again they touch upon it, but they never go

477
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,200
full mounted. They just they tell you and then they

478
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,599
have a couple of scenes where they face off and

479
00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:32,200
then that's it. It's just but it's like that could

480
00:21:32,279 --> 00:21:35,119
you could build the movie off, especially like he's engaged

481
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,480
to Sue, but literally Sue in midway through the movies,

482
00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:40,599
she's like getting Victor done. We didn't see that scene

483
00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:42,759
at all. We didn't see to his knowledge, she could

484
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,599
still be dating Sue Storm and then she's literally just

485
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,880
like I'm waiting for you. I'm giving the information to

486
00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,240
take your shot. It's just like all this stuff is

487
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,440
happening off screen that they just tell us. And I

488
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,400
get it's been weeks and weeks, but uh yeah, Like

489
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,599
I said, I love McMahon, so I am biased. I

490
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,440
think he does the best he can. But the the

491
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,480
Doom stuff is it is very weak for what Doom

492
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:08,039
should be. It's just a copy carbon of Goblin with

493
00:22:08,079 --> 00:22:10,039
a few things that are interesting, but they don't dive

494
00:22:10,079 --> 00:22:10,519
into those.

495
00:22:10,599 --> 00:22:13,519
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was funny, like the within the first

496
00:22:13,559 --> 00:22:15,960
few minutes, like before we went to space and all that,

497
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,000
I literally did a double checker, like did I click

498
00:22:18,039 --> 00:22:20,759
on Silver Surfer. Like some of these past relationships that

499
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:25,000
they're insinuating, I'm like, this feels like Seql Territory, so

500
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:26,880
like a lot of that stuff too, where they're just

501
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:30,200
talking about their past but like not really being explicit

502
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,839
about it. And I was kind of waiting for that

503
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,240
moment where they just do the exposition dump but like actually.

504
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 3: Explain what's going on in their past.

505
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 6: But I think it actually kind of worked for the movie,

506
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,440
and I think that helps speed it along too, because

507
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,880
you could tack another twenty minutes on here where we

508
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,759
have this whole sequence or like later on in the

509
00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:47,000
movie where they do some flashbacks or something, but I

510
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:49,440
think it's better that they don't, and then the stuff

511
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,799
with like them having a prior relationship, I think that

512
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,400
works pretty well for me. Like I liked their dynamic

513
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,039
there between Sue and Reed in that way. But yeah,

514
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,839
I think they're definitely could have been some more room

515
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,319
where like they fleshed out that relationship between Reed and

516
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,440
Victor von Doom a little bit more, but it really

517
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:09,960
just I don't know, it plays in a very it's

518
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,319
strikingly different than what we just talked about with the

519
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,119
previous nineteen ninety four, ninety five one, and like the

520
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,960
relationship there, So it was it was cool to see

521
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,200
how did you guys feel about Doom, Like the portrayal

522
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:24,400
of his powers in this and that he's similar to

523
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,119
the thing has like a physical deformity that's like actually

524
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,079
growing on him along with the electric powers that's kind

525
00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:32,000
of just tossed.

526
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 3: In there later on.

527
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 2: See that's what I was confused about, is like until now,

528
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,799
I never really thought of what Doom's powers were like

529
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:38,319
at all.

530
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 5: I just thought he was a villain.

531
00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: Your power like it's just one of those where its

532
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,240
a nebulous when like it's like energy projection, like I'll

533
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:45,279
pull it up a Marvel wicked.

534
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,799
Speaker 2: So he does have energy power though, because like Marvel Snap,

535
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,079
he has Doom Bots. So it's like to me, it's like,

536
00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:53,839
does he just have like robots that something.

537
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,039
Speaker 3: Seems like he's just a power political guy or.

538
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's the same. Like there's that's the thing

539
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,440
with Doom. There's multiple times where it's like, oh, okay,

540
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:04,519
he's a political Bruce Wayne type, that evil Tony Stark type,

541
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,359
or he has powers like there's an emperor god of

542
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,359
Doom where he literally just beats Stanos in one punch

543
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,599
and it's like, oh, Doom's that good? Right? The same

544
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:14,759
thing with his physical appearance. There's times where he and

545
00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,440
that's why I like they alluded. There's a lot of

546
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,000
allusions to the com books, and they I think like

547
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,039
for that time they were doing pretty well. That one

548
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,279
scar he has over him, there is a comic book

549
00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:27,039
where he talks about how hideous deformed he is. It

550
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,519
to done, they build it up for months or years whatever,

551
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,480
and then he takes off the mask. It is just

552
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:33,440
one cut and everyone's like, you look fine to you,

553
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:35,519
but to him it's the end of the world, like

554
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:37,480
I'm perfection. But then there is times where he takes

555
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,599
off the mask like other iterations, and his face is

556
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,200
just completely fucked up. So do I'm not gonna say

557
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,000
it's like Joker, but he is in that sense that

558
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,680
it's kind of like depending on the story of the creator,

559
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:51,880
he's had many kind of versions or changes, and uh,

560
00:24:52,279 --> 00:24:55,680
what is the I got the powers here? Anyways?

561
00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,559
Speaker 2: Saying on but to answer your question there, Dylan, Yeah,

562
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,559
I like.

563
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 5: The lightning power. Yeah, I guess overall, I like it.

564
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 2: Enough because like the lightning you could. You know, you

565
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,000
can make the the argument that like because he's metal,

566
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,960
like he's conductive or something in that sense, So like

567
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:21,000
it does make sense because yeah, like I knew that

568
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,720
he had some sort of electric power in this movie,

569
00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,400
but I couldn't really remember like the full extent of

570
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,640
what his power set was. But you know, for this movie,

571
00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:32,240
I think it works, and I think now that I'm

572
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,400
just thinking about new More, it's just like I really

573
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,279
don't know much about that character, so I don't even

574
00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:38,680
know what to like reference for, like what my preference is.

575
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,839
Speaker 5: I like him in the mask, so you know that's

576
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,920
oh my god, I have the list right there.

577
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what I mean. He just has God powers, right,

578
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:51,119
mystical blast, mystical force field, spellcasting, because that is up

579
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,759
top to.

580
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:55,839
Speaker 6: Start near spell casting is he is absolutely he is

581
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,640
just magic.

582
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,839
Speaker 1: So there you go. H But spell cast, expell, reversing, summoning, teleportation,

583
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,240
dimensional travel, mythical ensnaring, mythical portals, healing, banishment, time travel,

584
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:17,119
power absorption, elemental man manipulation, telkinesis, and power nullification. Oh boy,

585
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,440
and look at all this other stuff. He's just stacks it.

586
00:26:19,519 --> 00:26:20,240
He's just one of those, like.

587
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,599
Speaker 3: Is a techno path okay, just like from X Men.

588
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: And then again, we never know what these power grids

589
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,759
are out of. But intelligent six strength for six or

590
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,039
I think it's higher. Right if you're looking at it

591
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,279
feels like there's some empty white stuff there, so.

592
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 3: Like there's only room for it to go up to seven.

593
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,799
It's an out of seven rating.

594
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: That's very strange.

595
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's weird.

596
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:43,039
Speaker 2: But like does he normally have metal like physical characteristics

597
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:43,839
or is it just.

598
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: Changes his arm? That's what I mean. Like sometimes he

599
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,000
has question sorry, no, no, sometimes he has looked messed

600
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,240
up and other times, but I think the classic version

601
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,720
is not messed up or with the one scar, and

602
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,599
it gets a guy with the suit of armor. That's

603
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:00,680
what it is. I don't think Danny's gonna haven't metal

604
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,720
grown out of his body?

605
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 5: So interesting?

606
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,839
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so you've been quiet on Doom. What do

607
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,480
you think about Doom?

608
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 4: I again, this is the guy that maybe want to

609
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,839
become a super villain. I love everything about this character.

610
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:17,240
And I had never seen McMahon in anything else aside

611
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,880
from you talking about Nittock.

612
00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:20,519
Speaker 1: He's in a movie coming out this year in Nick

613
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:21,640
age soon, so you'll see that.

614
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: I think that's what you were saying.

615
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:27,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an Australian private detective and jewelring Man's in

616
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:28,640
the movie with them, so I can't wait.

617
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that'll be good.

618
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,559
Speaker 5: Then I'm I'm excited.

619
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: I like again, he's he does a great doctor Doom

620
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,680
and he just really sells that that villain vibe. I

621
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,359
really really like him. And he's trying to be friends

622
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,319
with Ben Grimm at the diner and whatnot and still

623
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,119
just insulting him even though he's trying to be friends

624
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,160
with him. Yeah, he's just such a cool character when

625
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,480
he gets super pissed off and he just like I

626
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,960
think it was right after Ben Grimm gets healed and

627
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960
he like kicks Ben Grimm and then it just has

628
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,839
a weird transition to where he's smashing like the box

629
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,759
case saying of his or maybe it was after he

630
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,200
captured Read. It after he captured Read and then.

631
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: He which did you guys catch what the helmet was for?

632
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,680
It was for being a good guy and he was

633
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,319
like a humanitarian award, which is like, why'd they just

634
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,359
give him a statue of a face? Get I get it,

635
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,960
I guess like helping people. It's a human face. But

636
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,400
it was such a what I've never noticed that before.

637
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,759
When I saw it, was like, yeah, Latvia Award for

638
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:30,319
like Hume whatever, some a bunch of different descriptors for

639
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,960
humanitarian do gooder. And I was like, Okay, I guess

640
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,920
that's the origin of his mask that. I don't know

641
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,160
if that's anything from the com books. It seems a

642
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,480
bit odd, but I thought you were gonna bring up

643
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,119
when you're talking about some smashing. When he saw the

644
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,400
doctor and he's like, well, how are you gonna help

645
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:46,559
me with this? Is like, well, it's pretty new, and

646
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:47,720
then he killed him. He's like, I guess I'll go

647
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:48,559
a second opinion.

648
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was pretty rock because guy's like I could

649
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,720
go to the CDC with this, Victor. Victor's like, I'm

650
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,799
gonna keep this confidential. It's like, no, it could be contagious.

651
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,279
And that's something I liked about them. When he's trying to.

652
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,759
Speaker 6: Figure it out, I was like, oh, the CDC's dance

653
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,799
for like the you know, National Disease sent or whatever

654
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:05,440
it is, and he's like.

655
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: I know what it's dance.

656
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,599
Speaker 4: I liked that they were thinking that everything that they

657
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,279
had could be infectious, yes, but at the same time,

658
00:29:14,319 --> 00:29:17,400
it was weird that they did not question the fact that, hey,

659
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,799
maybe we should throw Victor into quarantine with us too,

660
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,400
considering that he was there with us and.

661
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: He also has like physical like like even Ben Grimm

662
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,079
makes some sort of joke. I can't remember he said,

663
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:29,880
somebody a scar, but he says somebody his face when

664
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,200
they bump into each other the first time, so it's

665
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,000
not like he's unscathed. It's like, Okay, you know, Victor

666
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:36,480
is on the ship, but he seems fine, but like

667
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,960
he has a scar. He's getting bigger, but especially when

668
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
he sits down with Ben, that thing is starting to

669
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,359
go around his whole face.

670
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: It's like he takes his gloves off and you can

671
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,599
see his hands aren't looking good either, like, but Ben

672
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,119
doesn't comment on it at all, so it goes over

673
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,559
his head.

674
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: They got terrible situations going on, like even the nerd.

675
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,599
So this person like also get what they're doing. She's

676
00:29:57,599 --> 00:30:00,599
horning for giant storm whatever. But these eyes what to

677
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,279
space got blasted, said, Katie got quarantine. This guy's fevers

678
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:06,480
two oh nine, and she's like, this is really hot,

679
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:07,960
and I get what they're doing right, all jokes that

680
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,960
he's getting hot, but still in a realistic world, this

681
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,119
he should not. You know, you don't go fucking skiing

682
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,279
with him, Like this is definitely I don't care if

683
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,119
he's like, oh, I feel great, he just went to

684
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,400
space and now he's burning up. He's sitting down. You're

685
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,279
going to tell Reid everybody like Victor, who's like a

686
00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:26,559
part of the whole operation. He's paying all the money

687
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,920
fists to help them. It's like, no, you don't get

688
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,119
to go skiing.

689
00:30:30,519 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 4: But he lights on fire while skiing and then has

690
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400
a hot tub session and yeah, then she proceeds in

691
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:37,960
my head canon, they're having sex.

692
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: They are, but like what a datous spat.

693
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,559
Speaker 2: Like she has got to be the dumbest fucking female

694
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:45,039
written character I've ever seen anywhere.

695
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: Like I like, I I.

696
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: Knew that she was like the stereotypical, you know, hot nurse,

697
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,160
just like, oh, Johnny Storm and tell me.

698
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:52,759
Speaker 3: He watched right now sexy nurse?

699
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: Is it? Actually?

700
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: Until I watched it, now I'm like unbelievable, like like

701
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,480
like how like what's she going her nursing degree? This

702
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:05,319
fucking lady, Like come on? And then she just is

703
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:07,599
fully geared up. She doesn't say like anything when they're

704
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,599
like on the helicopters, like or he's all scared, doesn't

705
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:16,640
want to jump, just go like comes find him after

706
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,640
he was on fucking fire flying down the mountain and

707
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,960
then she just drops her poles gets in with him because,

708
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,519
like Travis says, she's just fucking horny for Johnny starting

709
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,720
that was like that was like mind blowing how idiotic

710
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:29,160
she was.

711
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: But that's the two thousand and five is and that's

712
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,680
where it's like again, Spiderman, X Men, they have done

713
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,000
stuff like that, but I don't know if they had

714
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,880
any characters to that level that brought it down. And

715
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,839
that's where it's like, Okay, that's where this movie is

716
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,039
like a little lower because yeah, like I get the

717
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:45,599
waters hot, but like, don't go in this mountain, Like

718
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:48,240
what if there's an avalanche you could, like you want

719
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,279
to die fucking Johnny's storm, Like I guess, like he's

720
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,359
not even famous at this point, really, you know, like

721
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,559
I see her again.

722
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 3: In the movie. Nope, so she's probably maybe she did.

723
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 5: Die because he has her jacket right, like are out

724
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,759
there only.

725
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:09,079
Speaker 1: Remains was come bag. She just drowned in the full

726
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,799
hot tub and.

727
00:32:09,799 --> 00:32:14,319
Speaker 6: He just whatever jacket for so long he does. Yeah,

728
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:17,400
it's a long time before he gets a new wardrobe change.

729
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, all that was done terribly. They're just

730
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:24,519
wasting all victors millions of dollars. Like even then, like

731
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:26,640
Read and See are going out in public, even if

732
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,039
it's for a day like a walk. It's like, again,

733
00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:31,279
you should be quarantined, like you don't know what this

734
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,880
doesn't especially now it's not even like oh we feel great,

735
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,880
howything's happening. All the stuff is happening to them, So

736
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,000
it's like get out of here, get back in your

737
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:41,279
labs and stuff. You know.

738
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 2: That's another thing that like overall just kind of surprised

739
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,960
me with the story of Yeah, like they're they're revealed

740
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:49,920
to be the phantasm war.

741
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:50,599
Speaker 5: They save the day.

742
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,119
Speaker 2: It's like we got powers, we're gonna figure this out. Okay,

743
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:54,960
that's just the end of That's like they just go

744
00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:58,519
back to Reed's place and unbothered by the government, unbothered

745
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,759
by I know she's not popping around, but like any

746
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,279
sort of like thing like out there, it's like this

747
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:07,119
could be a weapon. We should try and control this

748
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:10,400
or the whole quarantine thing, like that should be a

749
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,359
bigger deal. Yet they're able to just like go off everywhere, right,

750
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:18,599
And it seems like Victor's doctor is like the only

751
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,079
doctor that knows that this is happening, and it's like,

752
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,799
we have to contact CDC, this could be quarantine situation,

753
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,799
and he just gets marked, and no one's really thinking

754
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:29,839
about that with our other fantastic before we fucking bend

755
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,039
Grim looking out like a like the Orange rock Man,

756
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,640
and just like no one really like they're just able

757
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,440
to kind of do whatever they want. And I think

758
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,319
now I'm just conditioned because of the way that like

759
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:43,279
superhero movies go now where it's like this guy has

760
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,160
a power, we have to like lock him down. So

761
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,400
maybe that is why I'm like thinking about it now.

762
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,839
But I also feel like that's also more realistic, so

763
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200
that is kind of what should have happened maybe if

764
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,559
it does happen in a real life setting. So I

765
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:56,960
was just really shocked how they were just completely able

766
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,200
to do whatever they want, Like like it seems like

767
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,880
there's no government or like policing force at all other

768
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,519
than when they interact with them of course on the bridge.

769
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: Other than Victor. He gets all the shit. He's getting

770
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,800
his company taken away, Like he literally is getting everything

771
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,400
taken away from him while they just get to do

772
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,039
fucking They get to be the fuck around gang and

773
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,639
go be like motorcycle doing stuff and yeah, and he's

774
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,079
getting his girl, he's getting his almost theyance stolen by

775
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:21,960
Reid on the side. You know, he's losing Larry. That's

776
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,119
something where it's like, oh, this is where it's hurting Doom.

777
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,320
It's like they're like, oh, sir, which great played by

778
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,559
the great Hamish link later if anyone didn't know his

779
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:32,559
little sistant there, he's the priest from Midnight Mass he's

780
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,760
the Batman voice and Kate Mersader, Yeah, he's looking like

781
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,079
a baby in here. But he's like, yes, sir, your

782
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,480
spot's on Larry King. It's been canceled. What do you

783
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:42,079
mean it's been canceled? And they look at the TV

784
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:43,920
in stentest, but it's like, well, I make a doom

785
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,000
care about this stuff. It's like that's where it's like

786
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,519
you're failing this character man, Like it's just so cheesy.

787
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was, I was.

788
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 6: I was laughing when the on the bridge scene once

789
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,400
it's all kind of concluded and the want some copy.

790
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,159
I was like, get on your knees and and they,

791
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,519
like all of them have their guns pointed at them.

792
00:35:02,559 --> 00:35:05,280
But then like the audience starts cheering and the cops

793
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,480
they all just put down their gun. The guy whoever

794
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:09,559
said get down your knees, I don't even know where

795
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:12,360
he was, but he just fled the scene. Apparently they're like, yeah,

796
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:14,639
I guess the people like them, so that's a good

797
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,559
enough reason for me as law enforcement. We're just gonna

798
00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:18,639
let them go at this point.

799
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,119
Speaker 1: It's funny the way that scenes edited. It almost looks

800
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:23,280
like the cops put their guns up and everyone starts

801
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,840
to cheer. Obviously it's not, but that's what it looks like. Yeah, yeah,

802
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,920
oh that bridge scene is just everything from the guy

803
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,119
trying to kill himself.

804
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 3: I like a movie needs a bridge scene.

805
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,559
Speaker 1: I like it.

806
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,559
Speaker 5: I like the humor of it too. And he's just

807
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,679
getting shipped on and then the guy comes out, so

808
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,440
you think you got problems back take a long look.

809
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,239
Like I I actually.

810
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 2: Quite liked that scene. I thought it was gonna be

811
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,199
really cheesy, but no, like, I don't know, it worked

812
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:53,800
for me, but.

813
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,079
Speaker 4: I don't think everyone got away on scathe. I mean

814
00:35:56,159 --> 00:35:59,480
they saved two people. And when those hydrogen tanks like

815
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:02,320
went on of like, I'm pretty sure a few people died.

816
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,039
Speaker 2: But anyone plays the burnout games from back in the

817
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:06,760
day when you have to like make like the biggest

818
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,800
car crash ever. That was like a fucking level here.

819
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,639
I cannot believe the length, Like nobody hit the brakes

820
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,440
from the car in front of them. It seems like

821
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,840
they gassed up and just like launch, there's cars flipped

822
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,280
all over. So yeah, to your point, Taylor, I'm sure like.

823
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 7: People died on that bridge, multiple people room fucking I

824
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,320
mean it was a fire truck doing right like I

825
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,679
mean I almost all the firefighters went off the fucking side,

826
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,039
like the.

827
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: Shooting the ladder.

828
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 5: Dog too, yeah, dog too.

829
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 4: I'm yeah.

830
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: I like when the fire chief is Johnny's like talking

831
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,239
the crass. I got who's in charge here, and I

832
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,519
got on the leader. All right, let's be serious now

833
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,559
have a good little one liner. But this is where

834
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:50,800
I know, Terry, you brought it up and like I

835
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,599
gotta talk about it now. Such an odd choice where yeah,

836
00:36:55,079 --> 00:36:58,639
so we get we've got something out that Ben, we

837
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:01,400
don't don't meet her all while he like, you don't

838
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,119
even have scene of them in love, but that's finding

839
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:06,840
his pictures of his wife, right, So his wife. There

840
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,400
is this scene that I'll let Taylor talk about that

841
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,840
happened previously here. But the scene that happens here is

842
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,920
they save the day, crowds cheering for them, and for

843
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,920
some reason, his wife feels this is the moment to

844
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,519
run to the bridge that he's at and throw his

845
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:23,280
ring on the ground. Also, if you watch that scene,

846
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,119
she aggressively aggressively pushes a random extra out of the way.

847
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,519
I think she's trying to portray she's upset, but just

848
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,800
like tosses this guy. But like what a again, And

849
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,880
even like I don't even think Sue's written the best,

850
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,800
So I don't think these writers were the greatest with

851
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,280
female characters, but just to have this character they like

852
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,920
couldn't be any other moment he goes home, but like,

853
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,280
it just feels so ram. She's running on the bridge

854
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360
during this, like as we talked about murder events happening

855
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,519
to throw her. Like the guy finally feels good about

856
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,840
himself and just no and throws the ring down. Really

857
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,039
nice scene though with him and read. I love that scene.

858
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:00,440
If he can't pick it up, and Read picks it

859
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,760
up for him. I think that's like a great like

860
00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,599
friendship moment. But the actual execution of her breaking out

861
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:09,320
with them, my god, it's just uh, it's something. It's

862
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,360
something that I'm just like, No one was like, let's

863
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,840
change this up, but dope, that's that's what I went with.

864
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 6: I would love to see a fan at it of

865
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,920
the scene when they're out on the street at night

866
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,079
and when she runs away and almost gets hit by

867
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:21,880
the taxi. I would love to see a fan of

868
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,320
her just getting absolutely mold.

869
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: She's running away, and.

870
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: The movie would be the same. Right, she rejected him,

871
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,480
and Annie's wifeless.

872
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 6: Her ring could fall off her body and lend yeah

873
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:34,679
trying to pick it up Reads, just in the bushes,

874
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,599
waiting to help him out.

875
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, hold his long arm.

876
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the way from Baxter Building. Oh there you go. Ben.

877
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,079
Speaker 5: That like blew my mind.

878
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 2: That scene honestly could like, up until this point, I

879
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,079
didn't even know that they were really married, Like I

880
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:48,079
couldn't remember.

881
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 5: If they were.

882
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: It's just like, Okay, this is his girlfriend or something.

883
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,840
He goes to see her. She seems pretty horny for

884
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,000
him to be home, you know, like I've been waiting

885
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:55,920
for you or I.

886
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,679
Speaker 5: Got surprised for you. Puts on lingerie.

887
00:38:59,039 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: You know, Taylor, you'll talk about that, like it's just

888
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,280
like terrified that he's like a monster, and it's not

889
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,800
just like this weird man lured me out pretending to

890
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,320
be my boy, Like he's using the lingo that they

891
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,280
would have used like pet names for each other.

892
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 5: And then.

893
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,519
Speaker 2: And she just like screams and runs and I'm like, Okay,

894
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,559
that's like maybe an early relationship thing, like like she's so.

895
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 5: Terrified she can't even handle that. And then we fast

896
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,920
forward to fucking bridge sequence and.

897
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 2: She like, like you said, travils, like she like freaking

898
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,519
fast travels to this bridge in the middle of the

899
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:36,840
chaos to get liver here.

900
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 5: She just like and then gives him the ring and

901
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:42,880
throws it down.

902
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Not even one

903
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,800
conversation of like this is really hard.

904
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,039
Speaker 5: How are we gonna do this? How are we gonna

905
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:51,079
have sex going forward? I don't know.

906
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,199
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do this. Not a

907
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,400
single word as said. She just drops the ring and

908
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,000
leaves I shouldn't, Shay. I'm like, would you really do that?

909
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:58,840
If I look like that?

910
00:39:59,039 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 5: Like, are you kidding?

911
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: What she say?

912
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,679
Speaker 5: You'd probably agree, I could remember.

913
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, but yeah, she sees it on the

914
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,119
news and she thinks, man, this is the time to

915
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,400
break up with Ben right now, Like this is I'm

916
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,719
gonna run down and divorce him on the spot. Like

917
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,480
even if as the case, I don't know what we're

918
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,760
saying together, but if Emily comes back as a rock monster,

919
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,559
I think there's still gonna be a conversation there at least,

920
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:23,039
you know, like.

921
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: It's not gonna happen.

922
00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Like, I guess it was on the

923
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,519
news that they like they had an accident in space, right,

924
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,800
So I guess she figures. But like if and I'll

925
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,320
let Taylor go if there was an accident space, why

926
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,360
is your first result being like, oh, my husband who

927
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,440
had accident space? Going home night? I mean, I get

928
00:40:39,519 --> 00:40:42,400
my laundry on because I am horny. I can't wait.

929
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,199
He might be injured. Yeah, but Taylor, what do you

930
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,119
think of his wife character?

931
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 5: And you can talk about the law last Yeah, that

932
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,440
just bothered me.

933
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,679
Speaker 4: The lingerie scene, like you're going out in New York

934
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,039
City and the like a dark backside of your building,

935
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,119
you know, it doesn't look like you're in a good neighborhood,

936
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:56,599
and you're.

937
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 5: Just, yeah, what are you doing?

938
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:01,559
Speaker 4: Like you can get you get some creep guy coming

939
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:02,440
after you, or some.

940
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,559
Speaker 1: Guy's from Spider Man one guy one yeah.

941
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was just a very bold choice on

942
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,199
her part. She almost gets run over, like you said, Dylan,

943
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,480
But it's just funny because as soon as she screams,

944
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,719
literally the whole of New York City wakes up, and

945
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,719
Ben's looking all around because everyone's like, oh, what happened

946
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:19,159
to that woman?

947
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,320
Speaker 3: Oh it's that guy there?

948
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,159
Speaker 1: What's going on?

949
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 4: Like he can't get out of there fast enough? Those

950
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,559
poor guys just trying to talk to his wife.

951
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: GBS come on, Yeah.

952
00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:35,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to add. He doesn't say like

953
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,800
anything to prepare her on the phone. It's just like

954
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,320
for you, like it's not like I would add a

955
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,440
horrorb acc then I'm completely disfigured, but like it's still me.

956
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,159
Speaker 1: Does surprise for you? Does he say that?

957
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: Because she's like, I got a surprise for you, and

958
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,400
he's like, I got a little one for you too.

959
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't leave with that and show me you on.

960
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,039
Speaker 2: The phone like it's so weird, like my life is over.

961
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,639
I'm a freak now, like say anything.

962
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,039
Speaker 5: To prep her for this. She's like coming out here

963
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,199
horny where Yeah, I'll take.

964
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: The horniness back. Maybe she thought he was fine then

965
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,679
I forgot about that, But yeah, I would not if

966
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,679
I was turned a rock monster, I wouldn't lead the

967
00:42:06,679 --> 00:42:09,079
conversation with like, well, I got a surprise for you too,

968
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,960
I said, I had a really unfortunate accent, but reads

969
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,639
even then, yeah, lead with Reid's gonna fix it, because

970
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,159
even if she's gonna leave, maybe she like, well, she'll

971
00:42:18,159 --> 00:42:20,400
fix it, which is very odd to me. At the

972
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,440
end of this movie, which I know some people, I

973
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,280
know there's probably whole message about body images and all

974
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,360
this stuff, but read so they say the day right,

975
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,119
and they're all like smiling and that at the party

976
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:30,360
and reads like you know, I've been figuring out the

977
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,119
calculations and I think and fix this and he's like, no, boss,

978
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:36,800
I'm good the way I am. And it's just like,

979
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,480
do you even have a cock? Like do you like

980
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,519
exact same?

981
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 5: I'm like to ask his new girlfriend that if he's fine,

982
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:46,679
like I'm sure.

983
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: I guess, but it's just like, you don't got to

984
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,559
be a rock like that's why I prefer the comics,

985
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,360
when it's like that's it. You're stuck. There's nothing to

986
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,400
fix you. The fact that reads like I think I

987
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,559
figured out no, no, no, read this is the way

988
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,599
I'm meant to be. No, man, this is not the

989
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:02,880
way you're meant to do. You don't be meant a

990
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,719
fucking rock monster, Like I don't know, Like I just like,

991
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,960
maybe again, I get what the movie he's trying to say,

992
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,760
but it's just like if I'm a rock monster, like, yeah,

993
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,320
give me the fucking need all you can be the

994
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,360
Fantastic Three, Like I want a life still, you know,

995
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:16,320
because it yeah, never mind.

996
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:17,639
Speaker 5: I completely agree with your drivers.

997
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,559
Speaker 2: I had that exact same thought while I was watching

998
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:24,000
the scene, and like, I think you can still get

999
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,039
to that point where he is satisfied with his new

1000
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,280
bean if you just like wrote it better and you

1001
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,840
like went on that journey of like I don't know,

1002
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,119
maybe I don't know.

1003
00:43:33,159 --> 00:43:34,639
Speaker 5: I can't even think of one right now.

1004
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: He's just fine because he found another chick that will

1005
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:41,079
bang him. That's why because he is that possible. I

1006
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,880
don't know. I really don't know. They have some line

1007
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,519
at the end of the wedding. What does he say?

1008
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,480
Or they're rubbing up on each other it's.

1009
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:53,079
Speaker 4: Official, I apparently Marvel Comics Stanley confirmed that Ben Grim

1010
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,440
does have a penis, of all.

1011
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he can fuck her with it, like

1012
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,760
like he's that's dangerous. He says something where they're like

1013
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
touching each others like oh yeah, and like he's like,

1014
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,920
but it's just like that's what it feels. It just

1015
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,800
feels like because this woman accepts it for who oh, yeah,

1016
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,920
it's just because a woman accepts them. But it's like

1017
00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,199
that's still I don't know, it's it's I just wish

1018
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,000
they took out the line of read being like I

1019
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:17,400
think I figured it out. Bug this shit at me,

1020
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,760
just be like we this is where we are, and

1021
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,880
then like that'd be better if he said I can't

1022
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,239
figure He's like, well, that's okay, I'm gonna accept who

1023
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,239
I am and live this like a few word changes

1024
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,760
and that works better for me.

1025
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's very cheesy.

1026
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 6: There's at least that that sequence in there where ben

1027
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,719
is really trying to set up Read and Sue throughout

1028
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,400
this whole movie, and he had he has that one

1029
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,559
scene when they're on the balcony and he's like, you know,

1030
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:44,719
it's really important to have a great woman in your

1031
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,719
life or something along those lines. So I feel like

1032
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,239
it's set up a little bit that like, Okay, if

1033
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,079
if he has that person that loves him and accepts

1034
00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:53,760
him for who he is, and he's gonna go and

1035
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,199
then he gets that by the nd of the movie.

1036
00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,480
Even though like, first of all, was shocked to see

1037
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:00,960
Carrie Washington in this movie at all. I was like, man,

1038
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,800
I feel like I don't know much about her career.

1039
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,960
I just after watching Little Fires Everywhere, expected that she

1040
00:45:06,159 --> 00:45:08,119
had done a bunch of different types of movies, but

1041
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,760
to see her in this and then Jango recently, like,

1042
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,119
I'm just surprised to see her and all these different things.

1043
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,280
But yeah, I thought it was a very very interesting

1044
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,960
role for her. And there, yeah, like once again two

1045
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,239
scenes the same moment scenes as the ex wife. I

1046
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,719
think like they're they're very much just like have an

1047
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,199
intro and an outro, but like no middle section whatsoever.

1048
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,199
So I can't remember what her presence is like in

1049
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:31,800
the sequel, but I'm curious if.

1050
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: It's about the same. No, she's in there, it's about

1051
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:35,760
the same. A couple of scenes and you're out and done.

1052
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,880
But that was the thing where it's like I get

1053
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,039
what they were doing because Victor was trying to very

1054
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,039
I don't know, terribly set up Ben to like turn

1055
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:46,719
against Reed. But yeah, the whole movie he's like, yeah,

1056
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,599
they I got back together. And then he finds it

1057
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,440
like what you guys doing talking to each other? Go on,

1058
00:45:51,800 --> 00:46:01,480
d Ben. He walks into the studio Victor, this is

1059
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,599
why so bad. He's not even standing the studio alone.

1060
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:05,920
He's standing in the studio alone in the dark, being like,

1061
00:46:06,119 --> 00:46:11,199
come on Ben. It works like there's no more like

1062
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:14,519
villain villain. He's a bad guy. He's like, but read said,

1063
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,199
oh reads one, look what he's doing. It works like

1064
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,000
he's literally shadowed. Yeah, they're probably fucking, but I'm with you.

1065
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:23,079
I'm here for you.

1066
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:24,599
Speaker 3: Can fuck you don't have a.

1067
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can give you your coat. Like he's

1068
00:46:27,679 --> 00:46:31,440
literally shadowed like a comic Coosh line.

1069
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: I can give you.

1070
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: He's shadowed like a comic book panel. And then's like,

1071
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,280
I guess I'll get in the machine like fuck man,

1072
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,000
Like come on even then, like why is he getting

1073
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,199
so mad? Like what is read literally supposed to to

1074
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,679
his mind, he's supposed to be like twenty four hours

1075
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:49,360
is like working, like Ben, I'm gonna get you, Like

1076
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,239
I think he just meant in general, like I'm gonna

1077
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,119
help you, like, oh my god.

1078
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: When they have like the dinner between n and Ben

1079
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,320
and like the whole lunch is just like Re's not

1080
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,159
doing enough for you, you know, He's just all these

1081
00:47:03,159 --> 00:47:04,159
focuses on for Sue.

1082
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sue, I loved two before Reid took it.

1083
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,039
Speaker 2: It's like the whole conversation and then it just like

1084
00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:15,039
quick cut to him being he's waiting like read Read

1085
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,880
and Sue like come out. It's like perfect timing. I

1086
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
don't know if he's been waiting there all night waiting

1087
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:19,159
for them.

1088
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just been sitting there. Yeah. And then remember

1089
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,559
the line too, They're like, oh Ben, He's like yeah,

1090
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:25,320
most people say that when they see me. It's like no,

1091
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,679
they're just surprised to see you there.

1092
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,679
Speaker 3: Remember my name.

1093
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: He's It's such I wish it was like that was

1094
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,719
something you have, Victor maybe Seed like early on in

1095
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,159
act too, and then it proceeds, but it's like literally

1096
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:41,559
just the third act pictures like hey, man, like I

1097
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:44,039
think he's talking to Sue and he's not focused on you.

1098
00:47:44,159 --> 00:47:45,719
But it's just like what's the man's supposed to be.

1099
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: It is literally just him like confronting them. It's like,

1100
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:50,920
you got to focus on me, not Sue. And he

1101
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,719
was like pushing for that and the early portion of

1102
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,960
the movie. So it just was so I like, I

1103
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:58,599
was like laughing out loud in that in that sequence

1104
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:02,199
of just how forced this was upon us of just

1105
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:07,199
like the the the I.

1106
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 5: Guess yeah, division two.

1107
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's that was my point with Johnny too.

1108
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,199
So they Ben this is the same scene Ben storms

1109
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,280
out everything and then Johnny's like, oh, I got a

1110
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,360
toy for you, and it's cloudburn Tom and he breaks

1111
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,320
the toy like fun little scene, right, and then Sue

1112
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,360
stalking at Johnny, but like, you gotta stop going out there,

1113
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,800
go I get your head in the game. These people

1114
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,480
don't love you yet to do right. And we know

1115
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:30,360
the storyline. They've done it many times in many media

1116
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,360
where okay, fame goes this guy's head and then he

1117
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,440
realizes they are of his ways that never happens in

1118
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,519
this movie. The movie literally ends with him just at

1119
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:41,320
another party and they're like Johnny's Storm and he's like yeah,

1120
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,719
like he literally learns nothing because he's like, no, they

1121
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:46,480
love me. They love me. They don't have a scene

1122
00:48:46,519 --> 00:48:48,679
in there where people don't love him. Don't turn because

1123
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,920
the next time Johnny's they had this argument and the

1124
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,400
next time he's back is like what's going on? And

1125
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,920
it's the final battle. So there's this weird they're trying

1126
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,280
to do that you're immature, but like he's not wrong

1127
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,400
and like spoil like in number two, like they still

1128
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,119
just love Johnny Storm, Like he's not wrong at all.

1129
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:06,760
So it was weird that they were trying to do

1130
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,920
this like oh, well you are this hot head and

1131
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,079
young and you don't get it. But they don't ever

1132
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,000
pay that off. It's just like they needed, like what

1133
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,960
we talked about, Rady, they just needed random reasons for

1134
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:19,000
why will the team be not together? So Victor can

1135
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,800
creep around in the lab and tell Ben like get

1136
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,159
in this machine, you know, like and pick them apart

1137
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,599
one by one, and it's just it's silly stuff because

1138
00:49:26,599 --> 00:49:28,480
I'm like Okay, there's gonna be something. And he doesn't

1139
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:30,079
even like leave a party. He just shows up in

1140
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:32,599
a cool jack like, oh yeah, what's going on? Oh well,

1141
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,239
Ben's lost his power? Yeah the red jack. Yeah, Ben's

1142
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,400
lost his powers. And Doom's over there, and that's another

1143
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:42,000
bad line. They're like he has reading, he's like freezing them.

1144
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,239
He hits him with two. He's like, what happens to

1145
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,000
rubber when it's warm? And then find who have this

1146
00:49:46,119 --> 00:49:48,239
rubber when it's cold? Okay, writers, we get it. And

1147
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:52,320
then he's like we're both doctors. And soon the next

1148
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,559
time we see like because the weird thing is it's

1149
00:49:54,599 --> 00:49:59,920
not like Norman right, where that plasma whatever, the formula back,

1150
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,679
it's messing with his mind, right, This is just Victor

1151
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,440
getting more powers, if not established, his mind's being messed with.

1152
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,440
So when Sue comes in, he's like, what have you

1153
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,599
done with read Victory? He's like call me Doom. It's like,

1154
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:12,360
why is he speaking like this all of a sudden,

1155
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,840
like he just starts one second, he gets that mask

1156
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,199
on there, just like let's have Julia mc mahon just

1157
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:20,480
say comic book lines and that's it, and it's it's

1158
00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:21,119
so bad.

1159
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: I really would have liked if they if they had

1160
00:50:24,039 --> 00:50:27,519
like the storm actually affecting his mind and maybe a

1161
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:31,920
mental thing more so than just you know, the the

1162
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:35,559
chairman kick him out and that's just that's just the

1163
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,840
d I mean, like the whole movie, he's just like

1164
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:38,880
reads fucking.

1165
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 5: Me over, like like fuck read he was supposed to do.

1166
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,679
Speaker 2: And oh my, when we were talking about his powers

1167
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:45,800
of wegout to the shout out to when he's like

1168
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,159
looking at his arm and the guy's like, it's completely midtle.

1169
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:52,039
Speaker 5: It's like exactly like the shields that Reid said would particulate.

1170
00:50:52,519 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: The store, which honestly though is a very calm actor.

1171
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,480
Like it's kind of a meme that Doom does always

1172
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:01,039
blame Read from everything, so it is then they nail

1173
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,000
that it does track. Yeah, but the way they had

1174
00:51:04,039 --> 00:51:06,599
it brought up was very kind of comedic and everything

1175
00:51:06,639 --> 00:51:07,000
like that.

1176
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:12,119
Speaker 5: So yeah, I was gonna say something else, but I've forgotten.

1177
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:14,880
I was just thinking about Doom, how funny that was.

1178
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 6: I'll jump to Sue Storm then let's talk about her

1179
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,960
a little bit more. I think she does suffer a

1180
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,320
little bit in this of like, you know, for a

1181
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,880
lot of it she's kind of like the accessory to

1182
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:29,079
mister Fantastic or doom and like that love triangle part

1183
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:31,280
of it, and like doesn't have enough story of her own.

1184
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:33,159
But one thing I do really like is that I

1185
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,159
feel like she kind of is the web that keeps

1186
00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:38,960
everyone attached to some extent. Obviously, she's got the brother connection,

1187
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,519
she has the previous relationship with Reid.

1188
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: And that kind of on and off again thing. But

1189
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,519
then also she's just like really close with Ben still,

1190
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:47,480
Like when they see.

1191
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 6: Each other, they greet each other with a hug, and

1192
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:53,719
she trust they both trust each other. So I really

1193
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,559
liked it from that perspective. I feel like she was

1194
00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:58,719
a good charismatic way to kind of tie the characters together.

1195
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,440
Ben kind of has connection with everyone too, but like

1196
00:52:01,519 --> 00:52:04,239
his connection with Johnny storms that they fucking hate each

1197
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,239
other the whole way through.

1198
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it honestly, it's like one, okay, Yeah.

1199
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 6: If if this movie was like clearly not written by

1200
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,920
like a male writer in the early two thousands.

1201
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:14,920
Speaker 3: I wonder what they would have done with it.

1202
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 6: Curious to see what kind of stuff they give her

1203
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,800
in the sequel, But it makes me excited for the

1204
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,480
new one because I don't know if it's rumors or confirmed,

1205
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,639
but just hearing that, like, okay, it seems like Sue

1206
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,800
is like the prime she's like the number one lead

1207
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,280
of this new one that it's gonna be centered around

1208
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,159
her to some extent. And if that is the case,

1209
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:34,119
I'm pretty excited for that. I think there's a lot

1210
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,480
of potential, just like from the character perspective of it.

1211
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: And the actress they got too, Kurt, Like, you got

1212
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,760
someone leading that project, you know it's gonna be good stuff.

1213
00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1214
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 6: But then obviously there's so much like male gaze element

1215
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,079
to Alba here, which you know, once again that's like

1216
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:49,800
part of the cast scene as you mentioned with like

1217
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,039
and whoever the actress was gonna be in this era

1218
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,239
of colmic book movies and just movies in general, so

1219
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,360
it makes sense and like it's not too egregious, but

1220
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,280
there's definitely few scenes in there, like of course the

1221
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,639
bridge sequence when she becomes as visible again and he's like, oh,

1222
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,239
you've been working out, and like that moment when he

1223
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:09,519
sees the suits and he's like, you know, he's all

1224
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:10,639
going at at her.

1225
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,519
Speaker 3: It looks like that it's actually the suit and all

1226
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:15,800
the all these things. It's it's it's very cheesy, of course,

1227
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,599
very of the time.

1228
00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:20,119
Speaker 5: I thought it was so strange too, like on the

1229
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:22,079
break bridge sequence when it's like we can't make it

1230
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,760
through but you can, and like like what does she do?

1231
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 2: Like really like does she just push people out of

1232
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:29,480
the way to make a path and they fall the

1233
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:31,320
kind it's like can you maybe do that?

1234
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 5: Work didn't I? Or work didn't it? And like like.

1235
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,199
Speaker 6: Later on she helps with her force field, but like

1236
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:37,920
that was clearly not the plan.

1237
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 5: Like like she just went visible and pushed people out

1238
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,840
of the way, Like like is that.

1239
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,079
Speaker 1: What happens to get her naked?

1240
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 2: It's just so strange and of course you know, as

1241
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,239
a wee young lad, I saw no no issue with

1242
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:48,840
that scene, but.

1243
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,159
Speaker 1: It just made me seek fust scene may no.

1244
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: Sense, like like logistically on like how that helped them

1245
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,400
actually get through because it's not like she's like dandy

1246
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:01,239
phantom powers that she can just like no clip through people,

1247
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,280
Like like she physically was pushing.

1248
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:04,679
Speaker 5: People all the way and then they're just on the

1249
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,119
other end. It's like work, work didn't it?

1250
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:08,119
Speaker 3: Oh?

1251
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,519
Speaker 2: That that was that was a big hole in the

1252
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,480
plot for me of just the necessity of that sequence.

1253
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,639
But really it's just I guess they didn't think about that.

1254
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,800
It's just like, yeah, let's just we'll have just Gallup

1255
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,280
stripped down and she'll be naked.

1256
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it works. That was the point of

1257
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,079
the scene, and they're like, okay, jet scene.

1258
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: Any actress is gonna be there. Was gonna have that

1259
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,400
scene because I think that scene was shown in like

1260
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,599
every trailer too, like her being the half naked I remember,

1261
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,559
just like because they gotta.

1262
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 6: I feel like I have other DVDs where they have

1263
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,599
a trailer for this, and I distinctly remember that, yes,

1264
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,280
that scene, it was up there. Another like thing that

1265
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,440
was just not needed at all was in the proposal

1266
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:51,280
of the very end of the movie. Read goes down

1267
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,639
on one knee stretchy so that he's still at her height,

1268
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,800
and then later he shrinks down to be beneath her

1269
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,719
when he's looking up to give her the rings, Like

1270
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,000
why dude, you can't like this is not all she

1271
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,320
loves to do your stretchy power.

1272
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 3: Does she love it? I don't know.

1273
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, she like gives a giggle like that sort of

1274
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,280
move like yeah, like Albo, she's an interesting person.

1275
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 3: She's like so invisible during that sequence too.

1276
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: Is she embarrassed?

1277
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 3: What's going on?

1278
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: I think she's nervous. Yeah, I think she's nervous. And well,

1279
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,119
is that that sequence or is that early on the bridge?

1280
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about the I'm thinking about the proposal at

1281
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,559
the very end of the movie.

1282
00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 1: Okay, I see in the middle of the bridge that

1283
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,079
she also goes that, and he's like, oh, I'll try

1284
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:31,000
my best. It's like, well, it's not just have her

1285
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:33,760
grab your face, but yeah, almost interesting because I like

1286
00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:36,199
it's not to be mean. Like I've just never really

1287
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,360
thought about her at all, because like, like what do

1288
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,800
we cover, like not ever? But I me like in

1289
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,639
the geek for Spear like this talking critically, has she

1290
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:46,960
ever been in a movie we reviewed? Like a movie?

1291
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 6: Weirdly enough, Like I was just looking at like on

1292
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,639
her IMDb in her you know, in that like top

1293
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,559
four the most known for like Fantastic four one and

1294
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:57,360
two are in there, and I would have thought that

1295
00:55:57,519 --> 00:55:59,519
she had like all these other roles that she's done

1296
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:01,760
over the years that would be better, But like I

1297
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,000
can't actually think of one off the top of my

1298
00:56:04,039 --> 00:56:05,920
head where she's really just been crushing it.

1299
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think she was just known for being

1300
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:11,039
that the heart throb right of just like every guy,

1301
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,079
and that's not a bad thing, like good for and

1302
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:14,599
like that's what I was gonna also say is that

1303
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:17,000
I actually don't think she's a bad actress. I don't

1304
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,320
think I've seen a movie where I'm like, oh, she's

1305
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,000
really bad. I don't think Jessic Alballs is like anyone

1306
00:56:21,079 --> 00:56:22,960
that's like, man, I love to see her in this world. Like,

1307
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,079
I think she's a serviceable actor, you know, very she's

1308
00:56:26,159 --> 00:56:28,199
very charismatic. I think that's what she has. And I

1309
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,079
think that's even something that like for the few scenes

1310
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,280
they have together, I for some reason actually by her

1311
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,320
and Chris Evans is like a brother sister duo like

1312
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,280
they have, because sometimes that doesn't happen, right, that just

1313
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,239
doesn't come off. So but I'm just trying to think

1314
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,519
and even the geek first, like I don't think we've

1315
00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:45,199
done any retros with her in a movie. I don't

1316
00:56:45,199 --> 00:56:47,639
think we've reviewed every anything currently with her in a movie.

1317
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,880
So like, yeah, like I think she's always serviceable and

1318
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:53,239
she's good enough and stuff and uh and here, yeah,

1319
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,599
I think she's like good enough with what they give her.

1320
00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:57,639
It's definitely a Sue's Surm of two thousand and five.

1321
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:01,239
I feel like they even Joe, I guess I'll say

1322
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,719
Johnny too, Like they're also supposed to be scientists that

1323
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,519
go to space, but like they make them just kind

1324
00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,760
of there for the ride, like Read and Ben do

1325
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:13,199
science things, Victor does science things, but Johnny, like when

1326
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:14,960
they're just like who's gonna fly the plane? Like, oh

1327
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,840
my brother, Johnny, Oh I'm not that guy. But it's like,

1328
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:19,400
why is this guy flying the plane? What's his credentials?

1329
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,320
But it doesn't matter because it's just like, Okay, they're

1330
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,159
with Victor and they're part of the plot. So but

1331
00:57:23,239 --> 00:57:25,800
I think it's like I don't think anybody, even if

1332
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,679
you would have got like Meryl Streep at this time,

1333
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,159
like any a great actor like you were never gonna

1334
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,719
get a great Sue Storm. This is all on the script,

1335
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,880
you know, like it's all you can do, only do

1336
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,440
what you do so much. And I think she's like

1337
00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,480
good enough chemistry with Ian who actually like Ian has

1338
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,159
read a lot. I think he has like a lot

1339
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:45,199
of read isms, like I think he's I think they

1340
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,639
get that done very well where that is a read

1341
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:52,960
Richard sing where he's constantly always he loves Sue, I

1342
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,360
think more than anything, but he'll constantly put things in

1343
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:57,760
tasks above her and he doesn't get it. I think

1344
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,440
sometimes Read is almost like portrayed to someone was kind

1345
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,400
of sometimes on the spectrum where he just doesn't understand

1346
00:58:03,519 --> 00:58:06,159
why people wouldn't think like, oh, well, why shouldn't the

1347
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,599
science not come first? They don't get deep into that,

1348
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,159
but they list that as the reason why they wouldn't

1349
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,840
still still be together. So I liked there back and

1350
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,880
forth and like I said, another kind of comic accurate

1351
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,920
thing there. So yeah, I like her enough as Sue.

1352
00:58:20,159 --> 00:58:20,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, I.

1353
00:58:22,199 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: Don't know, like I really liked her back in the

1354
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,079
day and then this time around, as I kind of

1355
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:31,679
already mentioned, like I just found her very bland is

1356
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,079
like extreme of a word I find, but it's just

1357
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:39,679
like there was missing some spice I found, and Dylan,

1358
00:58:40,039 --> 00:58:41,840
like I did like what you said how she was

1359
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,079
kind of like the glue to the overall team, because

1360
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,760
in hindsight, I definitely think she fits that role well,

1361
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,280
and I do think she has.

1362
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 5: One on one.

1363
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: Chemistry that's good enough with each character maybe minus read

1364
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:57,199
I thought that was a little bit lesser, but like,

1365
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,320
like I don't know even the moments with Victor like

1366
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:03,159
I did like with her, but I don't know.

1367
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 5: I I think I just would like I saw it

1368
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:07,199
in like a much higher.

1369
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,239
Speaker 2: Just a better light maybe and in hind like looking

1370
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,920
back on the movie, whereas this time around, uh, it

1371
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,159
just didn't quite deliver to the full extent, whereas like

1372
00:59:17,239 --> 00:59:20,159
for Johnny it was like exactly what I remembered and

1373
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:23,960
it was, it was fantastic, but but for her it

1374
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:26,840
was a little bit less or so. But yeah, no,

1375
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:28,719
it's it's interesting travid, Like I feel like I was

1376
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,679
kind of thinking about the same because I haven't seen her.

1377
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 5: I think she's doing a show like right now or like.

1378
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:36,039
Speaker 1: In the last four years, oh something like that.

1379
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, like I just while I was watching it,

1380
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,360
I was kind of thinking about, like, what was the

1381
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,119
last movie I actually saw Jessica Alba and and I

1382
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,239
think it definitely just peaked around that time. So definitely

1383
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:50,119
not too far off the mark on that observation there.

1384
00:59:51,039 --> 00:59:55,639
But yeah, no, I I don't know. I'm really stoked

1385
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:59,559
for Vanessa Kirby's Sue Storm. I think it's an art

1386
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:02,719
thing that like, Okay, I get Ben Grimm, you know,

1387
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,159
he's the thing. I get Jonny Storm. He's like the

1388
01:00:05,199 --> 01:00:09,159
hot head, this young punk read I get it. He's

1389
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,559
just he's like this this book smart guy that just

1390
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,440
you know, he doesn't always get the best social signals

1391
01:00:14,599 --> 01:00:16,679
or he's too focused on his work. I feel like

1392
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,320
Sue Storm is still like a character that, like, I

1393
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,039
don't know what the proper version of this character is.

1394
01:00:22,039 --> 01:00:23,519
I don't know if it is the justc Alva. I

1395
01:00:23,519 --> 01:00:24,199
don't know if it is.

1396
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 5: No, I haven't seen fan for Stick. I imagine it's

1397
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,639
not that so definitely not.

1398
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping that they really nail it though with

1399
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:36,719
the Vanessa Kirby one, because like, I love that actress,

1400
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,760
and yeah, I just I want to see a powerful,

1401
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,079
well written Sue Storm. She is a really powerful character.

1402
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,679
Speaker 1: I think, like Dylan's like saying, like there is aspects

1403
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,119
in the other comic books anything like that where she

1404
01:00:49,199 --> 01:00:50,360
is kind of the glue. But I think the other

1405
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,519
thing is she's kind of not that these characters don't

1406
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:57,440
have it, but she's sometimes the humanity. She's somebody because

1407
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,000
literally in Civil War, her and Reid going different side

1408
01:01:00,519 --> 01:01:02,119
because she just goes like you just don't get it,

1409
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,400
you don't get the mistakes you're making here, So they

1410
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,519
feel like she is and nothing. That's to sound like, oh,

1411
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,039
a stereotypical woman male character. But I think she has

1412
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:12,719
heart in a different way than some of the characters do.

1413
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:15,039
And I think she has looked upon as the leader

1414
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,599
because Read might be like the smartest man in the world,

1415
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,920
but he might not do what's best. He's gonna do

1416
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,679
like what the book says, like what science says, but

1417
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,599
he doesn't. It's the you know, Jurassic Park, like you

1418
01:01:25,639 --> 01:01:27,960
didn't ask you know if you could before you did

1419
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,960
or whatever it is right here? What's the fucking quote?

1420
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 5: You know you always say it?

1421
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: Yes, say scientists are too preoccupied with whether or not

1422
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:36,679
they could. They didn't stop to see if whether or

1423
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:37,599
not they should should.

1424
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:40,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And as Read richards at times, right, he's something

1425
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,039
that has done a lot of questionable things. So that's

1426
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,079
where I'd say, like she has humanity than a lot

1427
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:48,239
of the other maybe combo character. So I think you'll

1428
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,400
get that with Kirby, and she's also supposed to be

1429
01:01:50,519 --> 01:01:52,679
I think they should show off, like with all these

1430
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,360
characters in first steps, they should show off that they're

1431
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,760
all very smart. They should all be equal scientists. They

1432
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,079
should have like the scene when like Dawn and Ruffalo

1433
01:02:01,159 --> 01:02:03,519
are creating Ultron. They need a scene like that. But

1434
01:02:03,679 --> 01:02:05,719
all four of them are bouncing off each other and

1435
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:08,159
all throwing this out. Not just like Reid locked away

1436
01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:09,760
in a room. You can do that, but not just

1437
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:11,800
read in all in this movie. In the next week,

1438
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,440
it's always like, what's the issue? And then Reid goes

1439
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,679
in a room and he comes up, Oh, well, I

1440
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,840
figured it out. They're doing nothing. These people are also

1441
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,960
supposed to be scientists too, Like it's just on Reid

1442
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,800
to fix this, like it was his mistake. But do

1443
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:24,119
there have any thoughts on Sue Storm.

1444
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I loved hearing this movie. I thought she was great.

1445
01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,119
And again this is because I have a lack there

1446
01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:32,639
of knowledge on what Sustorm is supposed to be of

1447
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:36,920
a character. So this is really my only interpretation aside

1448
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,679
from the nineties one that we got. But again, I

1449
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:43,079
don't think those characters necessarily got really fleshed out.

1450
01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:45,679
Speaker 5: They were very much no.

1451
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:52,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, just just characters. But yeah, I think that there

1452
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,719
is a little Taylor definitely had a little bit of

1453
01:02:55,719 --> 01:02:57,039
a crush on Jesscal but that of.

1454
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:01,079
Speaker 1: Course, yeah, that's a big controversial Yeah how could you?

1455
01:03:02,199 --> 01:03:04,119
Which was funny because we're just so you brought the

1456
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:08,159
nineties one when Caro Washington was rubbing the thing's face

1457
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,480
and he was like, oh, I thought about that movie.

1458
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:13,880
It jumped in my mind of the but obviously he

1459
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:17,039
didn't go full manty, but we had parallel into that movie.

1460
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:20,519
Speaker 4: So yeah, you reminded me talking about Jessical. But here

1461
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,360
of a scene on the bridge, circling back to the

1462
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,199
bridge when they basically told her, okay, you need like

1463
01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:28,840
your clothes, you need to go invisible, and so she

1464
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:30,880
strips down and goes invisible and she has to sneak

1465
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,920
past the cops. The next scene they're all grouped together

1466
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,599
past the cops and it's like, why did she have

1467
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:39,239
to go invisible and take your clothes off?

1468
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:44,199
Speaker 1: So for the lilisteners, Taylor did step out made that exactly. Yeah,

1469
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,079
we did say it was just to get her nude.

1470
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,480
Like it literally was just like, how what reason could

1471
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:51,320
we be for to get our clothes off? We'll do

1472
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,320
this because like even out then you would just think

1473
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,239
they'd be able to get over there, like they have

1474
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,679
their powers now, you know.

1475
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just want yeah, I want to circle

1476
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,480
back to that. That's just kidding me.

1477
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:07,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything specifically. I got lots of little notes, but yeah, I.

1478
01:04:07,239 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 6: Mean we've kind of talked about Johnny storm in passing,

1479
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:11,800
but just talking about a little bit more.

1480
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 3: I agree.

1481
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 6: I think, especially even after my rewatch from a couple

1482
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,840
of years ago, I kind of since I wasn't paying

1483
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,440
as much attention, I was really impressed by Chris Evans here.

1484
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,079
Speaker 3: I just think he's so much fun.

1485
01:04:23,519 --> 01:04:26,000
Speaker 6: Like the whole way through, and he has the annoying

1486
01:04:26,159 --> 01:04:29,679
piece of shit Braddy kind of guy, but like it

1487
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,840
really works. He really pulls it off. Some of the writing,

1488
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,280
of course, is early two thousands of male writer syndrome,

1489
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:38,800
but it's it's still like I still.

1490
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 3: Found it really fun.

1491
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 6: There's like one sequence I really liked is I kind

1492
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,039
of near the end of the movie, when like Doom's

1493
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,559
tower and the fantastic the Baxter Building, I guess or

1494
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:48,880
like close enough that they could just look at each

1495
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,360
other with like a telescope, And I thought it was

1496
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,360
so funny that Doom shoots a Bazouka shot over there,

1497
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,639
and then Johnny Storm's he's trying to side like him

1498
01:04:57,679 --> 01:04:58,119
and Sue are.

1499
01:04:58,119 --> 01:04:59,519
Speaker 3: They're trying to decide what to do, and.

1500
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 6: She says, don't even think about it, and he says,

1501
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,920
never do and they jumps off the roof.

1502
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 3: Like that is that is great? Like that that's actually

1503
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:08,000
a great piece of dialogue.

1504
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:10,559
Speaker 6: Really sums up the characters well and their relationship together,

1505
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,440
the siblingness of it. But yeah, overall, I thought he

1506
01:05:13,559 --> 01:05:17,760
was just so much fun. I really liked the kind

1507
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:22,639
of brotherly sibling rivalry that him and Ben Graham actually

1508
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:24,760
have with each other. I know they're not actually siblings,

1509
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:27,199
but they have that kind of energy to it. It

1510
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,119
makes me really curious where we're gonna go with the

1511
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,199
sequel here because they don't remember what their dynamic is.

1512
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:33,360
But I feel like the end of this movie kind

1513
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,679
of ends where like, oh, they've finally set up their differences,

1514
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,039
but then Johnny's like kind of a piece of shit again,

1515
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:41,360
like jokingly, and so I'm curious where that relationship is

1516
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,079
going to go. But man, that sequence at the very beginning,

1517
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:48,559
when Ben just wakes up from the space station and

1518
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:50,280
he has been out for a few days and everyone

1519
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,360
else has been up, and Johnny Storm's in there and

1520
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:55,519
just fucking pranks him, telling him that he's had this

1521
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:56,280
horrific act.

1522
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,599
Speaker 3: Like that is gold. Like that scene is still a

1523
01:05:59,719 --> 01:06:02,000
ten out of ten. Totally stands up. So there's some

1524
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:04,920
really great moments between those two in particular. I like

1525
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,119
their I like their dynamic.

1526
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: I know what happened, but they couldn't fix your face.

1527
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,480
Yeah yeah, no, they good good chemistry and uh rip

1528
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:14,920
to this Johnny Storm.

1529
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 5: You know.

1530
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: Uh poor Wade got them yeah skin dirty, you know.

1531
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:21,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, his own words, So it.

1532
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: Was it did himself and you can almost believe it too,

1533
01:06:23,599 --> 01:06:25,360
like that guy would get as I just said that,

1534
01:06:25,679 --> 01:06:28,440
they tried to teach him maturity and he doesn't learn

1535
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,079
in this movie nor in the next. It's like, yeah,

1536
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:32,199
just fits. He gets spirals out of control, you know.

1537
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,360
So damn.

1538
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 5: Kind of talked about.

1539
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,519
Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like I stepped away when

1540
01:06:40,519 --> 01:06:43,159
we were talking about Dooms. Hey, guys might have covered it,

1541
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:48,760
but the whole Latvaria thing with Doom. They again, something

1542
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,559
completely went over my head the first time I watched

1543
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:52,360
this movie back in the day. But like they make

1544
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,880
multiple points of like especially like the the one chairman guy,

1545
01:06:57,159 --> 01:06:58,920
he's like, maybe you should go back to Latvaria.

1546
01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 5: No no, no, no, start fresh.

1547
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,719
Speaker 1: He says that, but like I put in all caps

1548
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,880
because he speaks normally util it gets a lot very

1549
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:09,159
maybe she goes back to lat Veria, Like he raises

1550
01:07:09,239 --> 01:07:12,079
his voice like it must have been in bold in

1551
01:07:12,199 --> 01:07:14,519
the script and it's probably because it was an easter egg,

1552
01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:16,400
but the actor took it as like.

1553
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,559
Speaker 3: Oh they like edited in afterwards or something.

1554
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:24,039
Speaker 1: Ye, he was completely normous to Lavaria. But yeah, continue

1555
01:07:24,159 --> 01:07:25,559
So like Laveria.

1556
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 5: Is it like a European country or something.

1557
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a made up European country.

1558
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,599
Speaker 5: Where or Doom? I'm like, yeah, he's American. You know,

1559
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:37,320
he grew up in New York. Like it's just like

1560
01:07:37,679 --> 01:07:41,960
go back to Laveria, Like this is Socialidad.

1561
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:45,239
Speaker 2: Where you came from raised you know me now, outside

1562
01:07:45,239 --> 01:07:47,760
of this movie, like I know about the tie between

1563
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:50,000
Victor von Doom and that Varia, but just to like

1564
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:53,800
happen to this movie, it just seems so so out

1565
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,519
of the blue and like to your point, like it

1566
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:57,920
almost seemed like they just threw it in like post

1567
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,719
post production just to like actually have the tie there

1568
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,760
and then yeah, when he sees the uh the humanitarian

1569
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,320
thing because it was Lavaria also on like they gave.

1570
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:09,599
Speaker 1: It to him, which is which is like a fucked

1571
01:08:09,639 --> 01:08:11,760
up country where it's like the leader family of the

1572
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,119
country like was awarded a humanitarian award. It doesn't make

1573
01:08:15,199 --> 01:08:18,720
much sense. But I imagine I don't think Danny's gonna

1574
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,399
have an accent either, so we're gonna have that problem

1575
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,279
again where it's just so I grew up in America

1576
01:08:22,399 --> 01:08:23,159
and whatnot.

1577
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,560
Speaker 2: But uh, it just seemed like why even do this,

1578
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,359
you know, if you have like no actual like, well,

1579
01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,359
I'm gonna go back to Lavaria and get powerful and

1580
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,119
come back and kick your ass like it just it

1581
01:08:32,279 --> 01:08:34,960
just seems so unnecessary.

1582
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:35,279
Speaker 5: To get it in there.

1583
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:37,039
Speaker 1: He could just be like a bit like I guess

1584
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:39,479
it just I guess nice enough credit to them, just

1585
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:41,520
have it in there for the com book geeks and nerds,

1586
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:44,600
because like he could still just be a rich business

1587
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,239
white guy who got these powers. Like there's nothing about

1588
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:50,159
like like even the sequel, they don't like go to Latveria,

1589
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,640
like he think it's not really like it's not a

1590
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:56,119
plot point just because he's on a spot in Ice

1591
01:08:56,479 --> 01:09:00,680
doesn't mean oh it's fucking Latvaria like they go there though, Yeah,

1592
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,960
but it doesn't play into the plot. It never plays

1593
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,640
into like Doom brings them to their home turf in

1594
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,079
this movie or the next movie, it's like, oh, you

1595
01:09:07,119 --> 01:09:09,239
got to deal with that Varia. It's just like it's

1596
01:09:09,359 --> 01:09:11,239
just there and same thing, Like I don't even understand

1597
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,079
the end of this movie. Why does he get to

1598
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:16,560
get expedited to lat Area like he's looking for or

1599
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,800
looking out for him, right, he clearly was a war criminal,

1600
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,880
which I absolutely that was one thing started it. And

1601
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,239
I remember because I always say Departed was six that

1602
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,479
started my film criticisms, but it started early here like

1603
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,399
as Semblance. I remember watching this movie like, man, fucking

1604
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,760
hate how they beat Doom. Dune gets beaten so easily.

1605
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,319
The final battle for me is very underwhelming, and like

1606
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,479
I get it, what happens the hot metal when you're cool?

1607
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,880
Like he says the line back to him pretty much,

1608
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:44,840
but like I just thought it was Doom was like

1609
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,159
a very quickly dispatched and as a kid who was

1610
01:09:48,199 --> 01:09:51,000
a Doom fan, I was like, man, this fucking sucks,

1611
01:09:51,079 --> 01:09:53,119
and yeah, so I very kind.

1612
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 3: Of lackluster Sano's puncher.

1613
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, No, definitely not man.

1614
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:00,279
Speaker 2: When they're doing the back and forth, do you know

1615
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:03,119
what happens to rubber when it's when it's frozen? And like,

1616
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:04,800
in my mind, it's just like the same thing that

1617
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:07,399
happens everything else. And then I'm like, what movie is

1618
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:07,760
that from?

1619
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,039
Speaker 1: Again?

1620
01:10:08,119 --> 01:10:08,279
Speaker 4: Oh?

1621
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 5: Yes, that's what Storm says to uh to Toad. Great,

1622
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:13,800
great line. No, not the freezing part, but.

1623
01:10:14,039 --> 01:10:17,119
Speaker 1: You know, you know what happens when he freeze rubber

1624
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:19,239
and it's like, what the fuck are you talking about?

1625
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:24,119
Speaker 2: The same thing that happens everything else. I I kind

1626
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:27,279
of chuckled, and I don't know, I found it funny.

1627
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:30,960
I've seeing in the end Victor's like hood gets like

1628
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,880
knocked off and he's just a hoodless Victor. I don't

1629
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,159
know if I've ever seen Doctor Doom like without a

1630
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,000
hood in other media's And it just looks so strange

1631
01:10:39,039 --> 01:10:39,560
to be like it.

1632
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 5: Don't like it at all.

1633
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: It seems like it's cool as this factor goes from

1634
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,399
like one hundred down to ten instantly, it's.

1635
01:10:45,319 --> 01:10:47,319
Speaker 1: Like a Halloween costume thing, Like the hood just won't

1636
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,239
fucking stay on it. It just looks awful without it. Yeah,

1637
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:56,520
I agree, what do you got it? Mister up later

1638
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:58,399
and just keep talking. You'll see, you'll see.

1639
01:10:59,079 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 5: That's all my notes.

1640
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:04,319
Speaker 6: Like a couple couple of quick things. One in one

1641
01:11:04,399 --> 01:11:08,000
of the sequences, when they're all running some tests, Sue

1642
01:11:08,399 --> 01:11:10,960
uses this little hammer on things knee and like no

1643
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:14,279
reaction happens, and then read he brings up a big one.

1644
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,279
I just love the shot where they after he smashes

1645
01:11:17,279 --> 01:11:19,399
it with the hammer. Camera angle switches to like a

1646
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,640
first person perspective almost, and there's just a chair fucking

1647
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:27,039
flying across the smashing against the wall. Really really great

1648
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:28,760
shot I got. That got a good chuckle out of me.

1649
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,479
The Stanley cameo in this I kind of forgot that

1650
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,600
there was one, But it's cool, and I think because

1651
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:36,479
in I forget what movie it is when he does

1652
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,920
like the Tony Stank delivery. But I guess this is

1653
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,079
the second time or maybe even more, that he's been

1654
01:11:41,119 --> 01:11:42,920
a delivery man as one of his cameos.

1655
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 3: M Is there a third one? Because I feel like

1656
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,479
that I could see it happening again at some point.

1657
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 1: It's an easy one. Who knows me? The guy when

1658
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,439
he drank the strong kick maybe.

1659
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe that was a delivery man.

1660
01:11:55,239 --> 01:11:57,239
Speaker 6: And then the last question for you guys that I

1661
01:11:57,359 --> 01:12:00,159
had was, so Johnny Storm, he's come back now, And

1662
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:02,479
obviously there was the Chris Evans connection, of course, which

1663
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:03,880
is why we always wanted that to happen.

1664
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:05,159
Speaker 5: Is there anyone else.

1665
01:12:05,159 --> 01:12:08,159
Speaker 3: From this movie that you would want to see come

1666
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,800
back in like a multiversal situation.

1667
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 1: Julie Man Baby, No, with Downey, there there's no chance

1668
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:20,640
to bring anybody, not really because for me, like Evans

1669
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,039
was the one because you have like the tie, and

1670
01:12:23,159 --> 01:12:25,439
for me it's like now that that character is. If

1671
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,279
he wasn't dead, i'd say, oh, get him all back

1672
01:12:27,319 --> 01:12:29,239
for something fun. But I feel like it'd be kind

1673
01:12:29,239 --> 01:12:32,319
of odd to have all three of them and not him.

1674
01:12:32,359 --> 01:12:34,319
The only thing I will say is if they ever

1675
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,840
do the Council of Reads, Ian will be back. Yeah,

1676
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,239
I think yeah. So I think we'll see Gret Bufford now.

1677
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 3: That we don't have a canceled Council of Kangs, we

1678
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,560
might as well do that at some point.

1679
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,840
Speaker 1: So I think you'll get him back.

1680
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: But him, i'd love him back if he's like the

1681
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,000
weird read that like pisses on people, you know, they

1682
01:12:55,079 --> 01:12:56,520
do some weird like horrible bosses.

1683
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,399
Speaker 5: That works read, Yeah, it works.

1684
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,399
Speaker 4: I would love to see either Sus Storm or Ben

1685
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:12,439
Grimms only because we've seen a well we've seen so

1686
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,920
far to Johnny and we've seen a read. I mean,

1687
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,000
I would love to see this read.

1688
01:13:16,039 --> 01:13:19,520
Speaker 3: But we've already your top ten characters of all times.

1689
01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: Don't even bring that up again. Yeah yeah, but like

1690
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,039
I guess, I just feel like read makes sense for

1691
01:13:27,239 --> 01:13:29,479
like just other scenarios because they're like the world's smartest

1692
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,199
man and everything and uh plus like at some point

1693
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:35,079
if they want to if they want to do oh god,

1694
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:38,239
I can't remember the villain name he gets. It's like

1695
01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:41,960
the Imaginer, the toy Master or something. But one of

1696
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,800
the reads becomes big evil and that's where a lot

1697
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,439
of people want that to be Miles Teller. But the Maker,

1698
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,960
the Maker, Yes, he goes full on villain and everything like.

1699
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 5: That, so cool costume. We'll give him the.

1700
01:13:55,319 --> 01:14:00,720
Speaker 1: Maker Kirklize his name. But I like the worlds. I'm

1701
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:03,359
a smart guy. Fun fun little line there from Johnny.

1702
01:14:03,119 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 5: You know, I like, yeah, he's doing the comparison. It's

1703
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:07,159
like you got you got Victor.

1704
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, suave Rich tape pays attention to the suit and

1705
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,479
I do like that. He goes to propose the Susan

1706
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,359
in space, and Reid does interrupt that it is for

1707
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,479
a good reason, but Victor just like thinks it's knowne

1708
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,520
like just looks at me, just like passed, like, yeah,

1709
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,760
you can't just let me propose to her. But no,

1710
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:29,760
a little weird moment like I get because Reid has

1711
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:32,479
some of the com books. But after their accident, Johnny

1712
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,359
goes over like, oh, your hair, like he mentions his

1713
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:36,720
gray hair. Dude, barely got any gray hair. They could

1714
01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:38,239
have game a lot more like they look in the mirror.

1715
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:40,479
It's like it's a couple of strands. You could just die,

1716
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,760
said the same thing. Yeah, it just looks like it's

1717
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:49,000
like a tinge whiter. It's like crazy. He usually has

1718
01:14:49,079 --> 01:14:51,159
like wings of gray hair like what Page's got right now.

1719
01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,359
So it's like this isn't even noticeable, like in one

1720
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:56,319
light you can't even see it. So, uh, there was

1721
01:14:56,399 --> 01:14:59,119
one when they get back to Baxter Building. I can't

1722
01:14:59,119 --> 01:15:01,720
remember what happens. It is in the Stanley moment, but

1723
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,600
they get the mail and it's like showing like reading

1724
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,279
them are all in debt and he goes, oh, we

1725
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:09,840
had a tough year, and then things like yeah, like

1726
01:15:10,079 --> 01:15:12,920
nine straight. I genuinely liked that line. It was a

1727
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:18,079
good moment. He did what I wanted to bring up.

1728
01:15:18,199 --> 01:15:22,159
Here is this scene. Uh, this was the original scene.

1729
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,680
So this is Read and this is the earlier where

1730
01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:26,640
we where Sue just says that she's no longer a

1731
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,520
victor and wants to be with Read again. No development,

1732
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,279
what happens whatsoever. But this was the original when he's like, oh,

1733
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:35,600
you need a strong man. So this is what he

1734
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:40,399
originally turned into. Okay, so I'll go back to the trunk.

1735
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:47,680
That's that's not sure. So that was the original idea

1736
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,319
was he was going to look like Hugh Jackman's Wolverine,

1737
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:54,000
but alviesoly because it didn't look good. They took that back.

1738
01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:55,600
But that this is a true this is the real

1739
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,119
thing on the DVD. So and yeah, it's kind of funny.

1740
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:01,640
They had a lot of things like that, like they

1741
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,399
have like a in the X Men movie, there's an

1742
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,600
extra that wears a Spider Man suit and runs into

1743
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,960
an action scene and scares them, and when they're filming

1744
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:13,479
Spider Man, Hugh Jackman was on set one day and

1745
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,760
they wanted to walk by, but he's like, well, I

1746
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:17,800
don't have the jack Jackie with me, so no one

1747
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,319
will know. Dumb decision. But it's weird, like all these

1748
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:22,720
movies like had a little light behind the scenes like

1749
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:24,520
oh we should connect them, but they probably be like, oh,

1750
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,520
we can't do this. But yeah, he turned into uh

1751
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:28,520
read Richards.

1752
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 3: That was a horrific it is image right there.

1753
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen a few times, so I thought I

1754
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,800
had to bring it up here. So and it's funny

1755
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,119
because I'll get to a trivia because at one point

1756
01:16:38,159 --> 01:16:41,399
they did, I think, offer read to Hugh Jackman, so uh,

1757
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,079
there you go. Even after Wolverine, he had been offered

1758
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:49,920
iron Man Punisher read like even though Wolverine people liked

1759
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:53,119
him as that so pos post Wolverine, Yeah, he had

1760
01:16:53,159 --> 01:16:55,359
been offered bond as. It's funny enough him and Julian

1761
01:16:55,439 --> 01:17:00,319
McMahon were in the running for uh Craig's bond. They

1762
01:17:00,359 --> 01:17:05,359
were some of the people. It was Cavil McMahon Jackman Craig,

1763
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:08,760
but yeah they were because Julie McMahon has that same

1764
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:10,920
thing dark hair, and I went to the blondie so

1765
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:23,720
let's see I have said that. Uh oh, that's what

1766
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,920
it was. I'm sorry that I earlier when I saw

1767
01:17:27,039 --> 01:17:30,399
with the wedding line thing has his wine glass and

1768
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:33,119
he you know, cheers his his new girlfriend and she's like,

1769
01:17:33,159 --> 01:17:34,640
you gotta work on your touch. And that's when he

1770
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,039
grabs her by the ass, Like yeah, I knew, And

1771
01:17:37,119 --> 01:17:38,720
that was the lines lead can killer.

1772
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 3: He could fucking kill her.

1773
01:17:41,079 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's everything. Oh, let's see. Nope,

1774
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:51,840
that's uh no, I'm all that with my notes, no lists,

1775
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:58,159
no notes, no notes. Okay, let's get to some trivia here.

1776
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:02,399
Uh for most to shoot, Michael Chickliss was terribly uncomfortable

1777
01:18:02,399 --> 01:18:05,279
in the hot thing suit. The final street battle, however,

1778
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:08,000
was filmed in Vancouver in December, leaving Chickliss as the

1779
01:18:08,079 --> 01:18:09,840
only comfortable one as the rest of four wear in

1780
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,880
skin tight blue uniform. So he was loving it because

1781
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:14,119
he got that cool air. But the rest of the

1782
01:18:14,199 --> 01:18:17,439
castle was freezing their fucking asses off, just running around

1783
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,039
trying to be fantastic four Let's see here erin Grafufford's

1784
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,439
effort to keep an American accent continually were hampered by

1785
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,479
the fact he would receive new script pages on a

1786
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,760
regular basis, forcing him to learn new lines on short notice.

1787
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:36,279
So I think he's like he might be. He's British

1788
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:39,720
or Irish, he has something. He's not American. But yeah,

1789
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,600
poor guy learned his fucking lines every night and then

1790
01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:45,319
he gets there six am. Oh, no new paragraph for you.

1791
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,159
Let's see Michael Chickliss. Oh he's Welsh. There you go.

1792
01:18:49,319 --> 01:18:52,159
Was the only four actors that was already familiar with

1793
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:54,479
The Fantastic Four. The actor who played Thing he had

1794
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,760
been a devoted fan of the things since childhood. He

1795
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,520
eagerly fought to play a real thing that rather have

1796
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,720
a computer generated character. Chicklus wore sixty pounds of latex,

1797
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:08,000
which took three hours to get into. To keep Chicklist cool,

1798
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:11,800
a rock was removed from his head and cold air

1799
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:15,079
was sprayed. I know that's what it says. And cold

1800
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:17,439
air was sprayed in the gap between the suit and

1801
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:19,359
the actors. So that's why I won. The piece of

1802
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:20,840
the head is not there. They've sprayed a.

1803
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,399
Speaker 6: Basically I would activate like claustrophobia and a lot a

1804
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:25,000
lot of people.

1805
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 1: I couldn't do that. Sit there for three hours, sixty

1806
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,000
pounds of latex, but like the three hours, so they're

1807
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:33,000
not moving. I don't know what this meant in the trivia,

1808
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:35,479
said Michael Chickliss was offered the role of the Thing

1809
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,199
after Jennifer Gardner suggested him for it. So I guess

1810
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:39,680
she was maybe a friend with a producer in the

1811
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,680
post electorate world, or yeah, it would have been because

1812
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,199
Daredevil was three so and it was Fox. So I

1813
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:47,880
maybe she just knew a producer and say like, hey,

1814
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:51,600
talk to Chickliss. You know, Thing notices that Alicia's art

1815
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:57,159
gallery and she, oh, say sorry, Thing notices puppets at

1816
01:19:57,159 --> 01:19:59,720
Alicia's art gallery, and she says, belongs to her father.

1817
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:03,279
In the comics, Alicia's stepfather, Philip masters as a superfilm

1818
01:20:03,359 --> 01:20:06,960
The Puppet Master a full fantastic war so setting up

1819
01:20:07,039 --> 01:20:10,560
some villains down the line that didn't happen. Paul Walker

1820
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,960
was considered for Johnny Storm, which is like a like

1821
01:20:13,279 --> 01:20:17,399
a no duh, like that's tracks for that era. During development,

1822
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:19,920
Chris Columbus, who directed the first Harry Potter Home Alone,

1823
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:21,960
lots of classics push for the film have a heavily

1824
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:25,359
comedic tone along the lines of Batman sixty six, so

1825
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,760
Dylan knows what I'm talking about there. Despite being higher

1826
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,039
because of his comedy background, Tim's story was able to

1827
01:20:30,119 --> 01:20:33,039
persuade Columbius that going in the outright comedy tone would

1828
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:35,600
be a disaster, and pointed to the success of Spider

1829
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,039
Man two thousand and two is proof that the film

1830
01:20:37,039 --> 01:20:40,199
could contain plenty of humorous elements well having a general

1831
01:20:40,279 --> 01:20:42,680
serious overline storyline, which I think for the most but

1832
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:44,560
I think they still were like, I think it's all

1833
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,319
still more comedic than Spider Man and X Men, but

1834
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,920
I think it's better than being Batman sixty six, you know.

1835
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:53,319
Speaker 3: So, yeah, pretty comedic, but then the doom stuff's like

1836
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:54,199
super dark.

1837
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. Griffufford was excited, was very excited, showing

1838
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:01,239
off his Welsh parents. There you go that he was

1839
01:21:01,279 --> 01:21:03,920
working on a major Hollywood production. Unfortunately, the day they

1840
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,359
came to visit, all he was feeling was an elevator scene,

1841
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,560
so he got them very excited. There. Albo died her

1842
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:12,359
hair for this movie, but wore a wake for the second.

1843
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:15,000
As I just said. Yeah, Hugh Jackman was offered the

1844
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:18,760
role of Reid but turned it down. Jessica Album met

1845
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,920
her future husband on the set of this movie. Cash

1846
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:24,399
was the assistant of the film director. Tim story, which

1847
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:27,960
I can't remember. Was it Alien we just covered was

1848
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:31,199
another one where someone met their husband or wife as

1849
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:33,920
a set person. So you know, happens a lot over there.

1850
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:38,159
So it was Julian Man's idea to have Victor Scar

1851
01:21:38,359 --> 01:21:41,279
sealed by surgical stapers due to his role on Nip Tuck.

1852
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,520
That's my chief plug to go watch Nip Tuck because

1853
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:46,960
he plays a surgeon. In two thousand and three, Peyton Reed,

1854
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,239
who would go on to a direct ant Man pitch

1855
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:53,479
a Fantastic four film to Fox with the proposed cast

1856
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,119
is I didn't really know this guy. Alexis Denis Off

1857
01:21:57,159 --> 01:21:59,720
as Read Richards, Charlie starn On a Sue Storm, Paul Walkers,

1858
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,439
John Walker, John c Johnny Storm, Sorry, John c Riley

1859
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:10,119
as Ben Graham, John c Riy is Ben Graham, and

1860
01:22:10,199 --> 01:22:13,680
then Jude Law as Doctor Doom. So there you go, Taylor,

1861
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:14,239
you can add that.

1862
01:22:15,399 --> 01:22:16,159
Speaker 5: Just answer your question.

1863
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 4: It was Beatle Juice.

1864
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,680
Speaker 5: Who's Catherine O'Hara, Thank you?

1865
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just did. Yeah, Hey, there you go.

1866
01:22:22,399 --> 01:22:22,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

1867
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 1: Tim's story had to ask his wife's permission if you

1868
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,640
could make this film the director because his wife was

1869
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:31,439
expecting a child at the time. George Clooney Brennon Fraser, Yeah,

1870
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:34,640
and their divorced now George Clodian Brenon Fraser were considered

1871
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,960
for the role mister Fantastic, which, like George would never

1872
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:42,079
done it, and Fraser doesn't have the right or off

1873
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,239
for that in my opinion. I love Fraser, but just

1874
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:47,600
not the right one. Doctor Doom is a monarch of Latveria.

1875
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:49,560
Juli mcmanhn is the son of a real world leader,

1876
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,239
Australian Prime Minister Billy McMahon. So there you go. Some

1877
01:22:52,359 --> 01:22:55,359
real life ISM's there. This is just a fun fact,

1878
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,760
just kind of crazy that this stuff happened. Two thousand

1879
01:22:57,760 --> 01:23:00,479
and five also had Electra and Batman begin plus this

1880
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,000
West you had three combook movies. I do think it's

1881
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:05,239
like a of course, I'm anol knite, but like the

1882
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:09,479
quality between Electra and Fantastic four to Batman begins, it

1883
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,840
is just like it's outstanding. But I'm We've still got

1884
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,720
an Electron. I'm excited We're going to uh at some

1885
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,600
point when Dared Double comes back, probably do that. And

1886
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:21,920
then finally Julie Styles, Kate Bossworth Rachel McAdams, Scarlet Johansson,

1887
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:25,159
Elizabeth Banks, and Tris Strass. We're all considered for the

1888
01:23:25,239 --> 01:23:29,760
roles Sue Storm slash Invisible Woman Souls where names died

1889
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,760
about back then. Sure Strass is a legendary wrestler as

1890
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:37,560
well who looks identical to Sue Storm. So that is

1891
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:42,359
all the jury have for. Fantastic for mister Patzer, which

1892
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:43,960
actually I'm gonna go first because maybe I might have

1893
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:45,760
the lowest score on this. I would give this like

1894
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:49,319
a six point five seven ish, like I've said before,

1895
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,119
seven to four five. That gets the range of me

1896
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:52,960
rewatching it. I won't, but it gives that for a

1897
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:56,279
past definitely worst comic book movies out there. Still it's

1898
01:23:56,319 --> 01:23:59,439
a fun, light, enjoyable watch. Even the stuff that's like, ugh,

1899
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,159
this is not great, like the third act, it's still

1900
01:24:02,199 --> 01:24:04,199
I think I said slog earlier, but it still goes

1901
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,479
by relatively fast. So yeah, I know that's where I am.

1902
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,960
At six point five, it's like a or is it six?

1903
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:10,399
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1904
01:24:10,399 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a C plus. Yeah, that's fine.

1905
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:15,000
That's good enough for me. Yes, So six point five.

1906
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 5: I think I'll ride that wave with you. Six point

1907
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,279
five I think that's appropriate.

1908
01:24:19,359 --> 01:24:25,520
Speaker 2: I think I was much lower, like after I finished

1909
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,359
the movie just because of like it really for me

1910
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,439
drops off after like that first act is just it's

1911
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:32,439
stellar to me, Like I.

1912
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 5: Really really love that.

1913
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:37,079
Speaker 2: Even though there's like some cheesy jokes or just like

1914
01:24:37,159 --> 01:24:40,880
the dialogue it seems dated. It's not as data as

1915
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:43,800
maybe I would have thought. So really quite liked it.

1916
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,880
I still had a fun time with it. So I

1917
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:48,439
think that's like the main reason why I do have

1918
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,119
to pass it. I have a lot of nostalgia for

1919
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:54,119
this film, and yeah, very interested to see how Soilver

1920
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:57,560
Surfer will do because I thought this was going to

1921
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,479
be like a nine out of ten for me, honestly,

1922
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:01,960
come to the like, I just I love this movie

1923
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:02,399
as a kid.

1924
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:04,560
Speaker 5: Shouts out to that game too. That game is so

1925
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,199
good the movie tie in.

1926
01:25:06,399 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 6: Who Does on the shelf and many game stores, and

1927
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,800
I've always passed it up assuming it was shit, So

1928
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:11,960
maybe I should go pick it up.

1929
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got at least two players, so that'd be

1930
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:15,960
a good stream game as well. I think it's at

1931
01:25:16,079 --> 01:25:18,199
least two, so yeah, can have some fun with that.

1932
01:25:19,039 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: Take that out of your CD case there.

1933
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 2: I'll start looking at the PS two set up for

1934
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,039
the stream, I still got two PS two.

1935
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:28,159
Speaker 5: I'll bring my PS two case then.

1936
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,760
Speaker 3: Better than your PS four you just throw on the

1937
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:31,359
ground like, of.

1938
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Course PS two is a classic, you know.

1939
01:25:35,039 --> 01:25:37,159
Speaker 2: But yeah, six point five, I think that's I think

1940
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,800
that's appropriate seven point four for me.

1941
01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna drop a easy eight point seventy five, not

1942
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:49,479
quite a nine, but it's a high eight because this

1943
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,640
movie is great. I think it aged exceptionally well for me,

1944
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,399
and I will happily rewatch this one again in the future.

1945
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:57,439
I wish I watched this one sooner because I forgot

1946
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,319
how amazing this movie is.

1947
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,319
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. We will be back with the

1948
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:06,039
next one. Of like Kirkland said, I think it's two

1949
01:26:06,039 --> 01:26:08,520
thousand and seven, which again a year before The Dark Knight.

1950
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:12,039
Kind of scary. But the Rise of the Silver Surfer.

1951
01:26:12,199 --> 01:26:15,600
He got glacked, has got Silver Surfer? What could go wrong?

1952
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:17,960
Why did they not make a third? Well, I think

1953
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,960
we'll find out next time when we talk about it.

1954
01:26:20,119 --> 01:26:24,199
We will be back then and it will not be boring. Bye.

1955
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,199
Speaker 5: Play more