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Speaker 1: Live. This is Pet Life Radio.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk pets.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Human Animal Connection Show, where we believe

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we can communicate with all animals. Join us as we

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explore the thirty three principles and healing methods of the

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Human Animal Connection. As animal lovers, we know that you

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share our commitment to making the world a kinder place

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for all creatures. Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power

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of the Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: Hi, everyone, welcome to the Human Animal Connection Podcast. I'm

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your host, Genie Joseph. I'm the executive director and founder

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of the Human Animal Connection, and today I am delighted

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to speak to Kim Stole and she is the dog

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training program manager at Soul Dog Lodge.

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Speaker 2: Kim, thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Great. So we're going to talk about the five types

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of dog enrichment and why they're important, what they are,

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where they important, and how you do them at Soldog. Well,

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first of all, before we get into that, just tell me,

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like the one sentence in case people don't know Soldog

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what do folks do over there?

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Speaker 4: Soldog Lodge is sort of a multi service organization. We

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have We're known for our dog boarding dog grooming and

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dog training. That's at our new facility over on Tangerine Road.

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We also have a nonprofit mission to just help keep

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dogs with their families, and so we do several different

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things to help keep pets with their families, whether that's

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emergency boarding for people in different situations where they need

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to bore their dog, or helping people find grant funding

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to help train their dogs so that they can keep

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it in their home. So stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful, dog, that's great. Well, we know how important

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enrichment is, but I think we're going to do kind

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of a deep dive here so we really understand all

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the different levels of it. So, I know you talked

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about five different types of enrichment. Let's start with physical

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because that's the most obvious tell us about why physical

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enrichment what it is and why it's important.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, physical enrichment is you know, it's sort

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of obvious, but it's doing different things with their bodies.

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So that could be having I mean some some different

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types of enrichment sort of overlap with each other. But

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physical enrichment can include stuff like having toys to play with,

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having stairs to climb, different things, in their like kennel

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enclosure to interact with. You know, it's having pools to

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splash in, and hoses so things to run around, tunnels

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to go through, stuff that they can in their environment

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that they can interact with and be physical with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. So I mean one of the I

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guess the main concepts is that you know, all humans, animals,

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all beings need enrichment and without it, something like boredom

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can set in and lethargy can set in and all

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kinds of negative consequences behaviorally and health wise if they're

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not getting a certain amount of enrichment. So yeah, so

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physical is the most obvious. What do you mean by

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occupational enrichment?

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Speaker 4: So this is giving your dog a job. So you know,

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lots of dogs are bred for specific purposes. They have

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genetic hardwiring to want to perform certain types of behaviors.

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These could be you know, you're hunting breeds of dogs.

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These can be your hurting breeds of dogs. So it's

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finding ways for them to have an outlet for those

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sort of hardwired instincts. And it can be stuff like

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doing those dog sports, getting your dog involved in agility,

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doing doc diving for your water breeds could be going

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out and doing sheep hurting, doing an instinct test with

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your your hurting dog, and just yeah, those sorts of

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things that will be fulfilling and also a good partnership

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with you because they're you know, they're learning not just

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to go crazy running after the sheep. They're learning to follow,

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you know, the different commands and work with you towards

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a specific goal. So it can be the dog sports,

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it can also be you know, stuff like you know,

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if you have a terrier breed who loves to dig,

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it might be creating a space in your yard a

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sandbox for them to dig in. Uh So, yeah, it

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could be things other than sports as well, as long

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as it's trying to provide them that outlet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really important. I think for those dogs who

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maybe have those genetic drives, if they're not getting those

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drives met, they could it could result in behaviors that

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you don't want, right, you know, like a herding dog

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that doesn't have any sheep might start to hurg you right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, definitely those things will you know, pop up

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in different areas and I think a lot of people,

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you know, they are the reactions maybe to try to

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suppress the behavior, but it's it's going to be the

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pressure cooker. When you have a high drive dog that

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needs something to do, it's going to pop up. You know,

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you might suppress it digging in the yard, but it's

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going to pop up in chewing the couch. You know,

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it's it's going to be a game of whack a

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mole if you don't provide the proper stimulation, give them

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something in partnership with you to go do together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's a wonderful concept. You mentioned partnership.

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put them on a ramp or leave them alone. It's

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we want to really make this a connected experience between

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the person and the animal so that they so that

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they're reading each other's signals and paying attention to Yeah, great, Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 4: And also, you know dogs are so you know, they're

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kind of made to look to us for direction and

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they love having interaction with us. So I think that's

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a big part of enrichment. It's not just giving your

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dog a cang every day and walking away. If your

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dog gets the same enrichment every day, it kind of

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ceases to be enriching, so it's varying it up and

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also being an active participant and in some of what

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's excellent, excellent, And what about nutritional enrichment

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what do you mean nutrition?

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, that's the food puzzles, the kongs, the frozen

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licky matt the different things that they can be consuming eating.

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It could also be scatter feeding them, hiding treats around

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the house. That kind of overlents overlaps with doing like

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scent work. But yeah, anything where they're working a little

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bit harder to get their food than just eating it

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out of the food bowl. Right.

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Speaker 2: So okay, coming from you know, their natural genetics, they

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didn't have a food bowl down they had to go

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get their food, and you know, we don't provide that

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for them. So most of us don't have a forest

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they can go forage in. Yeah. Yeah, so you mentioned

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we're scattered, just in case people don't know what is

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the concept of a scatter pattern. Would like, let's say,

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with the treats, what are you doing with scatter and why? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: So, I mean scattering food can even just be like

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throwing the kibble on your floor or out in the

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grass where they can If you have grats right, they

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can hunt around to find it and using their nose

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they have to sniff it out. It just takes a

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little extra brain work. Some people call it feeding the chickens,

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you know, where you just scatter the food and you

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let them kind of sniff it out, hunt it down.

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the ground. That's going to be more interesting because it

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triggers that you know, visual prey drive instinct to go

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chase down their food.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really really important to get their nose involved. You know,

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if they're in a living with a human, you know,

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in a house or an apartment or wherever they're living,

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they may be getting the same smells all the time,

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and we want to make sure that they're getting a

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variety of smells because when they're getting novel smells, their

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brain is like oh yeay, something new. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And dogs totally see the world like it's hard for

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us to even have the language to describe because we're

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so visually focused. That's our primary thing as humans. So

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even when we talk about like how dogs see the world,

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we're using the phrase c for that. But dogs smell

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the world. It's hard for us to even have a

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concept of how a dog thinks about its environment because

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it is so smell driven and visual is more secondary

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to smell.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, even if you're into a kind of routine

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with your dog food, if you have vary the treats

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and so that they're getting different kinds of smells, this

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can be just you know, as simple as that form

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of enrichment that they they're smelling a new kind of

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salmon treat or a new kind of bacon treat or

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whatever it is. Is that they're getting variety because the

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more their nose is stimulated, the more they're going to

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be balanced mentally. I think, yeah, so that's really great, great, okay,

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and sensory sensory enrichment. What a sensory enrichment?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is getting the dog's senses involved. So

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it can be smell games and like you say, you

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were mentioned smelling out food. There's also different scent work

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where you can use the scent oils and you can

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teach your dog to smell. Go find the smell of clove.

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are like that. So there's also visual where there's some

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dogs who will watch TV put something on that you

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know they have make they have dog TV. Now, if

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your dog isn't too visually some dogs get too visually

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stimulate stimulated by that. Other ones find it pleasant. Yeah,

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we have some TVs where it plays just like peaceful

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visuals for the dogs. And yeah, it could also be

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like we also are always playing like soft music, like

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classical music for the dogs. That can also just help

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dampen sort of the fixation on hearing other dogs bark

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and what was that and just having that sort of

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background noise can help calm them down. So yeah, it's

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just getting their their sight, smell, they're hearing, all of

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that involved. It can also be tactile, like walking over

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different surfaces. This is a big one, especially for I

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always talk about it for socializing your puppy to walking

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over different surfaces while they're young, because then when they

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get older, they're not as fearful of walking over a

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grate on the street or grass versus pebbles or crinkly surface.

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Having your dog walk over a tarp that crinkles under them,

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and that can be really strange, but if you make

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it a positive experience where they're finding food on the

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prinkly surface. Because what we want to do is build

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confident dog who can experience all these different things in

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their environment and feel like, Okay, I got this. Even

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if they're a little timid at first, if they can

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learn to walk over it, then the next time they

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encounter something that like that, it's sort of in their

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rolodex of like, Okay, this is safe and fine and

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a wonderful thing that you're doing

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with the different enrichment things, because what we want to

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do is help dogs get used to the idea of

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new equals good rather than new equals scary. Yeah, you

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know so as and I would you say that temperamentally

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that some dogs are more interested in new and some

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dogs are less interested in new things? Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot of factors that contribute into that.

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I mean, there is the early puppyhood socialization. If you

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you know they're going they're likely going to be more

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fearful of new things because they just didn't have it

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during that brain development time. You are getting your dog

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from a breeder, getting it from a breeder that you

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know is helping your dog have positive experiences while they're young,

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or if you adopt your dog young, getting that started

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right away. Yeah, there's just their temperament. Some dogs are

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just naturally like don't know, like more confident going out

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into the world. Nothing bothers them. Some are going to

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just be now naturally just a bit more reserved and shy.

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temperament and then also breed temperament. So there are dogs

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that are just naturally going to be more reserved, more watchful,

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not as boisterous as other breeds are, more like go

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full steam ahead. I have an Australian cattle dog who

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is extremely confident, and that is exactly what he I mean,

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they're bred to take on bulls. He's see something, he's

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gonna be like, I got this, I'm doing it. And

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then I have a shepherd mix who's way more reserved, watchful.

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walk up to them and say hello. So I think

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knowing a bit about you know, even if you have

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a mixed breed dog, having some ideas of who they

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are as an individual and how their breed can contribute

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to that why they're like that, and it's not anything.

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our listeners are you know, adopting from the shelter, and

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five sixty seven or more. And so for let's say

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ability to I call him repuppy a dog, you know,

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they didn't get them. And what would you say about that?

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and it might be you don't see a change tomorrow,

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and how fearful they might be over something. But in

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a year and two years you look back and you're like, oh, yeah,

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just being like, well, my dog is, my dog's fearful,

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my dog's reactive, so I'm going to leave them in

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the house. That's not an ideal solution. That's really limiting,

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those safe outlets and finding little windows to you know,

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walk them? How can you start building those positive associations

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the cemetery because that's an out space per Kark might have.

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lot of space to work with. So finding those opportunities

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of you know, where can you take your dog to

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underscore that the notion of building on positivity. So we

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don't want to take a scared dog and put them,

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taste of something that's new and different or a little scary,

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have them have a good experience, and then build on it. So, yeah,

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that's really a really important point. Good well, and last

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one on the list is social enrichment. Tell us about

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social enrichment.

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with its person in it could and playing with you,

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being with its housemates if they have housemates that they

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like to play with. It could also be going to

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doggy daycare, those sorts of things where they get to

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be social and interact. And not all dogs love this.

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needs to have dog friends in order to be happy.

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you know, with their person. And some dogs, you know,

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in play groups, they're fine with it, but they're not,

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you know, especially older dogs will mill about, will be like, hey,

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how's it going, But they're not there for a big party.

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and doing a bunch of small dog meeting a bunch

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of people. It's exhausting to them, and it's same for dogs.

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if your dog does it, you're doesn't get this playgroup experience.

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shouldn't feel like, you know, this dog needs to have

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dog friends, right, and don't force a dog that's not

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enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, well great, we'll can take a short

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little break when we come back. I went and hear

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some of the stories about how these wonderful enrichment programs

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that you're doing at Souldog Lodge and Training Center has

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really helped some of the dogs that you've been working with.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Human Animal Connection. I'm your host,

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Jamie Joseph, the executive director of the Human Animal Connection,

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and I'm speaking with Kim Stole and she is the

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program dog training program manager at Souldog Lodge. So, I

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know you interned it at Cell Dog. You've got some

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of your dog training. What drew you into this work

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and what was your path of learning?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think that I always you know, as

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that this is what everyone will say. As a kid,

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I loved dogs. I you know, that was my dream

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was I was going to own all these sport dogs

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and do I was going to do agility. I was

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going to do flyball on frisbee. I like, you know,

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love watching all these competitions on TV. And then when

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from the name Society and he was not a sport dog.

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extremely fearful, shut down, would hide, tremble, he himself if

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anyone approached him. He was sort of a mess. He

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was like basically semi ferrell, and so my path to

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helping him and figuring out okay, well this is kind

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of got me interested in not just the sports side

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of dog training, but the behavioral modification and working with

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dogs with different sorts of issues. That's how I got

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interested in that. And I really wanted to help other

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dogs like Bonus that were in the shelter. So I

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ended up getting connected with Soul Dog. This was ten

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and can I volunteer intern with you or you know,

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can I just come shadow? And yeah, Rachel, the founder

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of souldog said, you know, she was very generous. She

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just said sure, come over. Start you know, working with

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dogs in there that were in their.

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Speaker 2: Board and trained.

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pol dogs from the shelter that were having some difficulties

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in foster homes. And then I ended up helping to

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run one of the rescue groups that was primarily pooling

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dogs with different behavioral needs pack. So I got even

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more experience sort of working with not just the fearful dogs,

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but also the like really reactive dogs, really busy dogs,

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dogs that needed a job and had had kept coming

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back to the shelter because people just didn't know what

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to do with these high drive dogs. So that's kind

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of how I got into it. And then of course

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all sorts of there, all sorts of different behavioral quirks

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is the best training ground. I mean, that's where you

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really you really see the reality on the ground, you know,

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and see. You know, that's how I learned my method

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is if it worked with the shelter dogs, I knew

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it was going to work. Yeah. Great, So let's hear

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one of the stories about working with the dogs with

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your enrichment program. What was the dog's issue going in

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and how did you work with them and what happened.

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who had been with her owner for a while. She's

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an older dog. The owner went into the hospital had surgery.

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neighbor was watching Gracey, and then the neighbor had to

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also travel, so Gracey was with us for several weeks.

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just totally sort of and she's not aggressive any anyway,

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but she's just totally flat. She doesn't really seem to

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so we're gonna keep gently trying giving her time, giving

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her space, you know if that meant you know, there

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the wall, and it's like, Okay, we're just gonna sit

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here today, Gracie. I guess that's what we're doing. And

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other dogs, she can see them interacting, but she has

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an out like so she can like go get behind

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the barrier, she can go into a crate there. She

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doesn't have to interact if she doesn't want to. So

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giving your dog on your shy dog like that out

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if they don't want to be invold. But she could

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are like not a threat. So just doing this a

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following them around, getting more and more interested in that

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social interaction with the other dogs and having that outlet.

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these other dogs are safe. I'm safe. Then she started

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getting more social with people too. And the other part

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longer hair dog and she hadn't been groomed in quite

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a while. So our staff were very careful trying to

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mats out, just in like really small sections, so we're

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not trying to give her a bath and a brush

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and all that scary kind of right experience, but it's

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just getting those mats out. We discovered one like some

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that she was grooming. Can call it like grooming issues

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like matting, like nails that are crolling. This can cause

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a dog pain, which we can cause them to then

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shut down and not want to interact with anything. They

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have this chronic discomfort. So I think getting her that

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little bit of grooming, getting her into those playgroups, just

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the staff being really consistent and gentle and give it,

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seeming like a regular happy dog.

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful. I mean, so many elements there that were

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really working right with letting her take her time, you know,

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letting her observe so that she could just get used

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to things at her own pace, and the choice, the

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ability to choose to opt in, opt out, go and

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go behind a barrier, or go over here, stay farther

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away until she was ready to make the choice to

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come into the group. And I think that is something

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you know, people are fostering, are rescuing dogs in those situations,

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you know, to kind of remember that formula to let

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the dog take their time and if they can observe

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the thing that you're introducing them to before they have

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to actually do anything, you know, so they can just

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be learning by watching, so that all that time that

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may look like she was doing nothing watching those other dogs,

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she's maybe learning something about social communication, you know, like

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oh that's what they do, they do this, or they do.

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Speaker 4: That or they you know, yes, yeah, And I also

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I think that there's also value in sometimes a dog

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watching a human do something first. So if you want

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them to go over the jump, if they're kind of fearful,

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like okay, you take us up over the dump first

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and you show them, Hey, this is how you do it,

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and it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's excellent. That's excellent. Well, it sounds like wonderful

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work that you're doing over at Souldog. Thank you so

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much for the good work that you're doing and that

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sol Dog is doing and helping dogs to stay with

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their person, you know, even if they're going through different

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things surgery or whatever it is, and just helping dogs

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that may have had not such a good beginning in

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a shelter life. The idea that we don't have to

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just accept that this is the way it's going to

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be forever, that it is possible for many of these

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dogs to make changes. They may not make the kinds

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of changes that some other dog might make. You know,

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we do have to accept their basic temperament and need,

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but we don't have to just simply accept the behavior

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as is presented. Whether there are oftentimes many things that

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we can do that will allow a dog to have

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a fuller life and to have both the human and

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the dog also together have a fuller life. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to encourage people to find ways to

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do enrichment in your own home. It's not just something

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that you know, you send your dog off to boarding

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and they'll get enrichment there. Enrichment should be something that

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your dog is getting every day, and that I mean

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it's also it's everything that you do with your dog.

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It's walks and richment can even just be like putting

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something new in the living room with them, a new

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object to interact with, you know, it can be you

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don't have to go out and buy the expensive puzzle feeders.

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You can just use some packing paper in a tupperware

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and throw scatter some food in there, or using toilet

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rolls and crumpling them up and letting the dog tear

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them up to get food inside. You don't have to

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spend a bunch of money to give your dog novel

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experiences with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Well this is very inspiring, so help everybody listening.

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We'll think about the different ways that they can do

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enrichment and whatever way they can, and so that it's

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part of everyday life. That's great. Well, thank you, Kim,

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It's been delightful to talk with you. Hey yeah, thanks

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for having me and we'll see you on the next

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episode of The Human Animal Connection.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jadie Joseph, your host, and we'll say aloha for now,

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