Speaker 1: You're listening to BIGFA Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In
Speaker 1: this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring
Speaker 1: you first hand encounters from people who say they've seen
Speaker 1: something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to
Speaker 1: quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, pick the Society. You've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to Eric today. Eric is
Speaker 1: an outdoorsman from just outside the Willamette National Forest, in
Speaker 1: an area that's between sisters in Eugene. I had the
Speaker 1: pleasure of meeting Eric at the first Sasquatch Summer Fest
Speaker 1: in Oakridge, Oregon, July of twenty twenty four, just for
Speaker 1: future listeners, and we had a good chat. Then we've
Speaker 1: been keeping in touch over the last year or so
Speaker 1: and there's been some really interesting things that been happening
Speaker 1: to Eric up where he's at. Welcome to the show, Eric,
Speaker 1: how are you doing today, sir.
Speaker 2: I'm doing great, Jeremiah. Thanks for thanks for having me
Speaker 2: and good to talk to you again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a thing where I remember when I was
Speaker 1: talking to you down there in Oakridge, and I was like, man,
Speaker 1: someday we're going to have a We got to have
Speaker 1: a chat with Eric on the show, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: that it finally happened. But we definitely have a bit
Speaker 1: of ground to cover today. Feel free to take us
Speaker 1: back to when you first started experiencing Bigfoot related interactions.
Speaker 2: A little bit of history. Raised my kids here in
Speaker 2: the Northwest. I'm an older gentleman now, but the wife
Speaker 2: introduced me to camping. We met in high school and
Speaker 2: that was my first opportunity to ever camp in the Northwest.
Speaker 3: I'd actually have run around in the woods.
Speaker 2: I was fortunate to live next to some state woodland,
Speaker 2: and so I actually had free run and the last
Speaker 2: of seven kids, so the folks gave me they were
Speaker 2: ready to retire from kids, so they didn't keep too
Speaker 2: close an eye on me. So that gave me a
Speaker 2: lot of time in the wilds. And so I wanted
Speaker 2: my kids to have the same opportunity to be out
Speaker 2: out in the woods, so we did a lot.
Speaker 3: Of bundok camping.
Speaker 2: I think we had one opportunity to stay at a
Speaker 2: state park, but other than that, we were always out
Speaker 2: in the wild. But it wasn't until after they grew
Speaker 2: up and went out on their own. I don't recollect
Speaker 2: any sort of weird incident, any sort of situation that
Speaker 2: would make me question their safety, my safety, or if
Speaker 2: anything was out there, not even any bear. But later
Speaker 2: on the wife and I we love camping, and so we.
Speaker 3: Got a couple of I got my first jeep, Rubicon.
Speaker 2: Outfitted it rooftop ten and I built a utility trailer
Speaker 2: and outfitted it with everything you would need for living
Speaker 2: out in the wilderness for a while. And so we
Speaker 2: started started heading out deeper and deeper into the Willamett
Speaker 2: National Forest, and we spent a lot of time way
Speaker 2: out where people don't go. That was the whole point
Speaker 2: of getting the jeeps. We camp year round, rain, snow, summer.
Speaker 2: The first real eyebrow raising situation was late October twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two. The wife and I alone went up into
Speaker 2: the Sant Diem that's part of the Willamett National Forests.
Speaker 2: So this little quartz creek. You follow it on up
Speaker 2: and it goes way back. I believe it goes all
Speaker 2: the way up into the cast does go into the
Speaker 2: Cascade Range, but where its origins exactly are, I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: But we were way back up in there and found
Speaker 2: a beautiful little spot. All of the year, the maples
Speaker 2: and all the trees are turning color, and just found
Speaker 2: this beautiful spot and it was a flat area. So
Speaker 2: I set up our wall tent, got the stove going.
Speaker 2: There's a creek bed below us about twenty thirty feet,
Speaker 2: so we had clean water. And so that first first
Speaker 2: night we call it a night early. It was already dark,
Speaker 2: but I could hear whistling up on the hillside. Of course,
Speaker 2: it's heavily wooded with Douglas fir and maple and whatnot.
Speaker 2: But the whistle was very sharp, very clear, very powerful,
Speaker 2: and came up from the hillside.
Speaker 3: We're in at that point, a very.
Speaker 2: Narrow canyon, and swhistle just echoed through the canyon and
Speaker 2: it wasn't disconcerting. I just didn't know what it was.
Speaker 2: And every once in a while there'd be a whistle
Speaker 2: up on the hillside. And I'm a light sleeper, the wife.
Speaker 2: She doesn't hear so good, so she fell asleep. I
Speaker 2: fell asleep, and I woke up to more whistling, but
Speaker 2: this time it was the same place up on the hillside.
Speaker 2: But then a return whistle came from the creek bed
Speaker 2: below us.
Speaker 3: And man, that's communication.
Speaker 2: That's strange. I don't know what's at that time, I
Speaker 2: didn't know what was causing it, of course, but then
Speaker 2: I started hearing rocks getting turned over in the creek bed,
Speaker 2: and some of those rocks were the size where I
Speaker 2: could actually feel them. I'm on a cot in a
Speaker 2: tent twenty five ish feet above the creek bed, and
Speaker 2: I could feel these rocks getting turned over, and the
Speaker 2: whistles go back and forth. Every few minutes, there'd be
Speaker 2: a whistle up above and then down below in the
Speaker 2: creek bed. And then I'm realizing. At first I was
Speaker 2: thinking bear bit the bear, although they don't hibernate that
Speaker 2: time of year, but they really don't hibernate in this area.
Speaker 2: That I wasn't really thinking. I didn't know what to think, actually,
Speaker 2: but I knew something was going on, something powerful, because
Speaker 2: I could feel these rocks.
Speaker 3: Getting rolled around back and forth.
Speaker 2: And then I'm realizing the whistle up above is a
Speaker 2: lookout and the family or whoever is down in the
Speaker 2: creek dead collecting dinner, and they're going after crayfish snails.
Speaker 2: So there's lots of stuff, lots of fish and little
Speaker 2: fish in that creek. So I'm thinking they're the ones
Speaker 2: watching out making sure we don't come out of the
Speaker 2: tent or do anything, do anything stupid. Well, the rest
Speaker 2: of them eat their meal and didn't feel any threat,
Speaker 2: no fear, no nothing, no smell, no no. I honestly
Speaker 2: fell back asleep and I woke up. It was some
Speaker 2: time later, but I woke up, and I woke up
Speaker 2: to footfalls right next to my wall tent. I had
Speaker 2: a canvas military canvas tent that turned not tent tarp
Speaker 2: that I laid down to keep the inside of the
Speaker 2: tent plane while it extended out by about five feet
Speaker 2: outside the tent, And something was walking past the tent
Speaker 2: on that tarp. I could hear the footfalls tarp. And
Speaker 2: so that next morning I woke up and you told
Speaker 2: the wife about it, and why didn't you.
Speaker 3: Wake me up? You were sleeping.
Speaker 2: But that was really And then nothing happened at that site.
Speaker 2: After that, I did look around the next morning at
Speaker 2: the trail and there wasn't anything obvious. Look down in
Speaker 2: the creek bed. Obviously some of the rocks had been
Speaker 2: turned over, some of the sizeable rocks had been turned
Speaker 2: over a bit. Again, nothing to indicate what it was
Speaker 2: or who it was.
Speaker 1: Wow, Eric, that's an intense first experience. Are you able
Speaker 1: to not to put you on the spot, but are
Speaker 1: you able to try to do a rep Maybe it
Speaker 1: was something that sounded like the kind of whistle that
Speaker 1: you were hearing. Is that anything you're able to replicate?
Speaker 2: Gosh, I suck at whistling, I really do. I'm jealous
Speaker 2: of people who can really whist allowed. But it was
Speaker 2: a high pitched, very sharp, very powerful whistle. And I've
Speaker 2: hunted elk. I know what an elk sounds like when
Speaker 2: it squeals, whistles, whatever it is they do. It was
Speaker 2: nothing like a and you could tell it was far
Speaker 2: enough up on the hillside. It was the ways up there,
Speaker 2: but yet the whistle was sharp and clear. You could
Speaker 2: definitely hear it down where we were at. And I really,
Speaker 2: again I was just baffled as to what was actually happening.
Speaker 2: But I think By the end of that night, I
Speaker 2: had a pretty clear idea that, you know, what was
Speaker 2: up there was probably a family unit of bigfoot sasquatch,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call them. I didn't have any evidence,
Speaker 2: but you're laying in bed in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night and you can hear these things happening.
Speaker 3: A bear. We don't have any bear that big round here.
Speaker 2: To roll rocks of that size over there. Was It
Speaker 2: just seemed like something would need to have hands and
Speaker 2: a lot of power behind those hands to roll those
Speaker 2: walks over.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, did it sound anything like I'm going to try
Speaker 1: it on my side. I'm just curious because I'm curious
Speaker 1: if it sounded like something I heard. Was it like a.
Speaker 3: Yes? Okay?
Speaker 2: But it it was longer, sharper, very powerful. It's nothing
Speaker 2: I could even come close to replicating.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, yes, I think very similar to that.
Speaker 1: So similar, but not. It wasn't a type of deal
Speaker 1: where it was like replicating a bird sound or a
Speaker 1: bird call.
Speaker 3: Oh no, not at all. Gotcha? All right? Cool?
Speaker 1: And that's Listeners can listen to the Oakridge episodes I've done.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to retell that story now, but sometimes
Speaker 1: they replicate bird calls. We heard that in Oakridge, So
Speaker 1: that's why can you give me an estimate of it?
Speaker 1: Not to give you know anything away, but like how
Speaker 1: far back did you have to drive to get to
Speaker 1: this area where you're at? Was it really far away
Speaker 1: from the main road where this area is?
Speaker 2: Gosh, yeah, we're probably thirty forty miles back in there.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: We had never camped that far back in before.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we had always had the kids, and
Speaker 2: I wanted the kids to experience wilderness, but I didn't
Speaker 2: want to take them so far out that if something happened,
Speaker 2: we couldn't get too medic or you got kids, you
Speaker 2: don't get too dumb. But a couple of old people,
Speaker 2: you don't worry about it too much. Really nature, So
Speaker 2: we the older we get, the further we venture out. Honestly,
Speaker 2: we get brave and get out there. And that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of the rigs and the outfitting them like
Speaker 2: we do so that if something does happen, we've got
Speaker 2: pretty much the gear to handle medical situation too. We
Speaker 2: could probably live out of what we've outfitted in our
Speaker 2: rigs for probably thirty days easy. So if we get
Speaker 2: stranded in the snow, we've got fuel, we've got different
Speaker 2: cooking methods. We've got two different tents. We've got the
Speaker 2: rooftop tent, have the wall tent with the camp stove
Speaker 2: or a wood stove. We've got two different camp stoves
Speaker 2: on board gallons of white fuel form. Were outfitted pretty good.
Speaker 2: We get out there and that was probably one of
Speaker 2: the first times we had the tent and the stove.
Speaker 3: I had just built those. So we.
Speaker 1: Were out there, and I think in Pacific Northwest the
Speaker 1: PNW listeners will get that. I don't know if all
Speaker 1: the listeners will get that. So you have to be
Speaker 1: aware that. For example, when I was driving out in
Speaker 1: areas like this last July, I was driving from let's
Speaker 1: say Eugene over to Sisters or up to Detroit, and
Speaker 1: you're not seeing any There's like maybe one ranger you
Speaker 1: see that, there's no police officers. It's like you are
Speaker 1: literally in charge of keeping yourself, like you got to
Speaker 1: be able to take care of yourself. And so the
Speaker 1: way that Eric is doing it, I think that's a
Speaker 1: super smart move. You're the only one that's going to
Speaker 1: be able to protect you and your wife out there.
Speaker 1: You're not going to be available to rely on calling
Speaker 1: nine to one one. Really, in this first encounter, did
Speaker 1: you jump directly to bigfoot or were you now at
Speaker 1: the point where you're like, I'm not really sure what
Speaker 1: happened to us out there. We're gonna have to figure
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 3: Either.
Speaker 2: Yes, I suspected it was probably Bigfoot. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to rule other things out.
Speaker 3: And I've got a work construction. So all.
Speaker 2: All of these guys hunt and are out in the wilderness.
Speaker 2: So I asked them if they had any similar experiences,
Speaker 2: and on the face of it, nobody would say anything.
Speaker 2: I described the whistle to them and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's an elk. No, I'm sorry, it wasn't an elk.
Speaker 2: Although elk are very powerful their lung capacity just man
Speaker 2: that whistle or whistles back and forth. They were very powerful,
Speaker 2: that an elk isn't gonna kick rocks over rocks the
Speaker 2: size of a a chair figure. These things were rumbling
Speaker 2: the ground as they rolled away. But no, the main
Speaker 2: focus was just camping. I enjoy it, we love it.
Speaker 2: And although this was a weird experience, it was the
Speaker 2: only real experience we've had so.
Speaker 3: There was it was just okay.
Speaker 1: Moving on yep, moving on absolutely. So then after this,
Speaker 1: what was the next thing that you had encountered?
Speaker 2: So shortly after that? So that happened in October. In
Speaker 2: November of that year, we got a pretty heavy snowfall
Speaker 2: up the McKenzie River valley here and I had I
Speaker 2: was actually alone that Thanksgiving, so I thought, this is
Speaker 2: a perfect opportunity to just get up there in the
Speaker 2: snow zone and try out the wall tent in the snow.
Speaker 3: And so I had.
Speaker 2: Cooked up a turkey and got all the goodies together
Speaker 2: to make a turkey soup up at camp.
Speaker 3: So I headed up and I think it was.
Speaker 2: Gosh around forty eight hundred feet by the time I
Speaker 2: finally got into snow that I couldn't plow through with
Speaker 2: that jeep and trailer.
Speaker 3: I found a nice.
Speaker 2: Flat area and I realized that the wall tint isn't
Speaker 2: actually going to cut it, and it was already getting
Speaker 2: dark by the time I had made where I was
Speaker 2: going to camp. So I decided I'll throw the water
Speaker 2: up the rooftop tent up. So I got it all
Speaker 2: set up in the same setting. I had a creek
Speaker 2: bed that was blow me. I could hear it surrounded
Speaker 2: by Doug fur and so I couldn't really see the
Speaker 2: creek bed, but I could hear it down There was
Speaker 2: probably thirty fifty feet below me. And then to the
Speaker 2: other side of the flat was a steep mountain side
Speaker 2: that went up at a pretty aggressive angle. And I'm
Speaker 2: getting set up and it's getting darker and darker. I
Speaker 2: got a bunch of flashlights. I didn't want to trip
Speaker 2: and stumble, so I positioned these flashlights in kind of
Speaker 2: a perimeter around just so I could walk around and
Speaker 2: not trip over something. And made my dinner and crawled
Speaker 2: up in the rooftop tent and called it a night.
Speaker 2: And I thought, I don't think there's bear that if
Speaker 2: I hear something because I left, I'm sorry. I left
Speaker 2: the soup what was left of it on the on
Speaker 2: the cookstove. I thought, man, I should put that away,
Speaker 2: but it was still hot, so I just figured out
Speaker 2: this lot of cool out there. I don't think I
Speaker 2: knew there was a cougar in the area. I saw
Speaker 2: the tracks, but I didn't see any bear track or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 3: So I just figured, yeah, if.
Speaker 2: I hear one older shoe shit away, And then I
Speaker 2: heard it. It was a whistle way up on the hillside,
Speaker 2: just like the one before. A sharp crisp echoed through
Speaker 2: the area, and then a return down in the creek,
Speaker 2: the exact same scenario.
Speaker 3: I camp my whole life.
Speaker 2: I've never heard this before, never experienced this before, and now,
Speaker 2: basically a month apart, it's happening again.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: I listened to it, same thing, and I could hear
Speaker 2: the rocks getting turned over in the creek bed, and
Speaker 2: you could hear them rumbling, and but you know, no vocalization,
Speaker 2: no no screaming, no yelling, just a whistle back and forth.
Speaker 2: And I was tired, so I fell asleep. I'm a
Speaker 2: light sleeper, but I love my sleep. So the cool
Speaker 2: mountain air it was, I don't know, somewhere around twenty
Speaker 2: five degrees, and I sleep really well in the cold.
Speaker 3: So I fell asleep, and I have no idea.
Speaker 2: What time it was, early morning, probably two three o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning. I woke up from a dead sleep
Speaker 2: to the most horrific smell I've ever smelled in my life,
Speaker 2: and it cracks me up every time somebody tries to
Speaker 2: describe it for me. If you've ever been around like
Speaker 2: a farm animal or a dog that has an infection
Speaker 2: and it's in the fur, and so you just have
Speaker 2: this very pungent, very rough smell. And I was laying
Speaker 2: there awake, and I could smell this. It was just saturating,
Speaker 2: and like I said, it woke me up from a
Speaker 2: dead sleep. And I had left my lights on in
Speaker 2: that perimeter around the vehicle, and I thought, man, what
Speaker 2: is going on? And all of a sudden, the light
Speaker 2: that I had placed on the front driver's side bumper
Speaker 2: of my.
Speaker 3: Jeep, it was picked up.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind, I can't really see out I've
Speaker 2: got everything zipped up and didn't hear anything, but the
Speaker 2: flashlight got picked up and was shining around, and then
Speaker 2: it shined across the tent itself, and fully I got
Speaker 2: something out there, and again the whistling rolling rocks. This
Speaker 2: time there's this smell and something is articulating. This is
Speaker 2: picking up this flashlight, and I thought, man, I want
Speaker 2: to slowly and zip one of the windows so I
Speaker 2: could get a look. I knew that the second I
Speaker 2: make noise, whatever's out there is going to scatter. So
Speaker 2: I just laid there and listened, and it eventually went away,
Speaker 2: and I fell asleep again, and when I woke up
Speaker 2: later that morning, it was raining ice, and I knew
Speaker 2: that was not good because the snow was deep enough
Speaker 2: where it was going to be with a sheet of
Speaker 2: ice on top of that, it was going to be troubled.
Speaker 2: So I got up and quickly started breaking down camp.
Speaker 2: And although I didn't look for tracks intentionally, I did.
Speaker 3: I did glance around to see I saw nothing.
Speaker 2: I had stomped the snow down pretty good, but my
Speaker 2: intention was to not get myself into trouble and get
Speaker 2: stuck up there, because honestly, nobody knew I was up there,
Speaker 2: which kind of dumb. But in any case, I got
Speaker 2: camp packed up and headed down the mountain, and even
Speaker 2: inside the cab of the jeep, which was sealed up,
Speaker 2: I could smell this thing, and I'm like, man, this
Speaker 2: is rough. But on the way back to where I lived,
Speaker 2: I got to thinking, if if I can smell this
Speaker 2: as good as I do, I wonder what a dog
Speaker 2: would do. And so my daughter and my son in
Speaker 2: law they have two German shepherds. So I got my
Speaker 2: son in law on the phone. I'm like, hey, I
Speaker 2: want to try something, I said, and he said, don't
Speaker 2: want to see how your dogs react to something.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I didn't really fill him in on what I was
Speaker 2: up to. And the closer I got to their house,
Speaker 2: the more I thought about it.
Speaker 3: So I called him back.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, so when I get there, have your
Speaker 2: dogs on their leash and hang on, hang on to them.
Speaker 2: I don't know how they're going to react. He's okay,
Speaker 2: and so I'm like, man, I'm serious. So I pull
Speaker 2: up in front of their house, call them again, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 3: Make sure you got your hands on dogs. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I go up to the door and then the
Speaker 2: dog scrambled to the door because I hear somebody at
Speaker 2: the door, of course, and he opens the door. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have his hands on the dogs, and the male
Speaker 2: extremely aggressive. I've never seen him like that. He's an
Speaker 2: aggressive dog anyway, but he got a whiff of that
Speaker 2: and just.
Speaker 3: Went crazy, lunged at me.
Speaker 2: Was just going crazy, and the other dog, she was
Speaker 2: kind of holding back. She really didn't react too much.
Speaker 2: So I got her and I thought I took her
Speaker 2: over to the jeep and opened up the jeep and
Speaker 2: see if she reacted or could smell anything, But she
Speaker 2: didn't really, she didn't really care. But the male dog,
Speaker 2: he was of course, he's the alpha, he's he was
Speaker 2: protecting the family, and he knew what that smell was.
Speaker 3: So that was I'm sorry that that was the end
Speaker 3: of that one, real real quick.
Speaker 1: I've never stayed in the rooftop ten I for they
Speaker 1: freaked me out a little bit. But when you were
Speaker 1: up there and then, man, I can't imagine being up
Speaker 1: there realizing something has my flashlight and then it because
Speaker 1: it's like what happens if it starts pushing the jeep
Speaker 1: or it like pushes it over, like you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thought never crossed my mind. And I didn't
Speaker 2: feel threatened at all at all in both these encounters.
Speaker 2: It was just again, it just I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's accurate or not, but it just seemed like a
Speaker 2: family unit and they they were doing their thing. I
Speaker 2: was doing my thing, and so it wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 2: necessarily a hostile situation.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, absolutely I didn't feel a threat. They didn't.
Speaker 2: The smell was overwhelming. That was the only thing that
Speaker 2: was shocking. I've never I've smelled horses and animals that
Speaker 2: have serious infections and they smell pretty rough and that's
Speaker 2: the big part of what that kind of smell was
Speaker 2: really rough.
Speaker 1: Oh did you get that flashlight back? Was there anything
Speaker 1: weird with the flashlight? When you got it back?
Speaker 2: I did it set it back down on my bumper
Speaker 2: pretty much in the same position that it had found it,
Speaker 2: And they didn't, near as I can tell anyway, they
Speaker 2: didn't mess with my dinner. They didn't mess with any
Speaker 2: of the other flashlights or any of the other gear
Speaker 2: I had sitting out, so near as I can tell,
Speaker 2: it was just curious about the flashlight.
Speaker 1: That's a huge point is really it was more curious
Speaker 1: than it was hungry, which is that's pretty cool to
Speaker 1: think about. I didn't even touch your turkey soup.
Speaker 2: August of the following year, twenty twenty three, eight canyon
Speaker 2: was now on the bucket list, and we packed up
Speaker 2: the jeep and the wife and I hit it up
Speaker 2: to a Mount Saint Helens. I had looked at the
Speaker 2: area to find the best possible camp I could find,
Speaker 2: and then I always have a plan B and Plan
Speaker 2: C in case the primary fails, which in this particular
Speaker 2: case it did. They had a gate across one of
Speaker 2: the access points, so that was out. But we did
Speaker 2: end up staying at the foot of eight Canyon, and
Speaker 2: so we set up camp and I can't necessarily I
Speaker 2: don't know what did this, but it was interesting. I'm
Speaker 2: going to note it anyway. But that evening I was
Speaker 2: We looked around all day and found a good place
Speaker 2: to camp and settled in. I was grumpy because the
Speaker 2: gate was closed and I couldn't get to our primary.
Speaker 2: All of the secondary was really nice too, but I
Speaker 2: was grumpy, and I had set up kind of late.
Speaker 2: It was already getting dark, and so on the trailer
Speaker 2: that I built, I've got a countertop that I can
Speaker 2: put out, and so I set up the stoves and
Speaker 2: started preparing two steaks. And so I had opened this
Speaker 2: package of steaks and pulled out two steaks out of
Speaker 2: a package of six, and I got my back to
Speaker 2: the woodline and I heard a growl and it was
Speaker 2: a deep, guttur old growl.
Speaker 3: Bear. I didn't know what it was, but.
Speaker 2: I turned around and looked, and I had a flashlight
Speaker 2: on me. I scanned the woodline. Nothing, So I want
Speaker 2: to get dinner done, so I turned back around and
Speaker 2: a few seconds later, this thing starts growling again. I
Speaker 2: shine the woodlight the woodline again.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't see anything, no eye shine, no nothing. I
Speaker 2: turn around and start working on my stakes again, putting
Speaker 2: seasoning on, and I hear the growl again. By this time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, this isn't going to stop. I grab a
Speaker 2: flashlight and head over to the tree line. I'm walking
Speaker 2: to the tree line this time and kind of rushing it,
Speaker 2: trying to listen to see if I can hear anything
Speaker 2: breaking brush or whatever.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear anything breaking brush, didn't see anything. I'm
Speaker 2: looking pretty intently at this point to see what's there,
Speaker 2: and nothing like all right. So I go back to
Speaker 2: my stakes and I look over in that package of
Speaker 2: steaks that I had there. There's one of them missing.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't the first one that you could easily grab.
Speaker 2: It was one that was under the cellophane behind the
Speaker 2: first stake of the second of the four remaining steaks.
Speaker 2: Something had to have lifted that cellophane and grab that
Speaker 2: that steak at it there.
Speaker 3: And the growling stop. Never heard it again.
Speaker 2: So something growling in the woodline got my attention. While
Speaker 2: something went over there and grabbed one of the steaks.
Speaker 3: Patty was there.
Speaker 2: She didn't hear anything, completely oblivious to the whole situation.
Speaker 3: Wow, weird, And so that was.
Speaker 2: I can't attribute that to anything. I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't even know what to
Speaker 2: chalk that one up to.
Speaker 3: Just a weird one.
Speaker 2: But eight Canyon is off the bucket list now, So
Speaker 2: we got that done.
Speaker 1: You got that out of there. So was it hard
Speaker 1: to get down to where you guys camped because you
Speaker 1: said it was the like down at the base.
Speaker 3: No, we were just in that particular case.
Speaker 2: We were it was just a bucketless item, so we
Speaker 2: just camped. It was on one of the back roads,
Speaker 2: so it was just off a forest service road.
Speaker 3: So it was just like.
Speaker 2: Old staging area for like fier equipment or something like that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't anything fancy, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was beautiful up there. It was awesome. That was.
Speaker 2: Again, I wasn't scared this thing was growling, but it wasn't.
Speaker 2: I don't know, just it wasn't like I don't think
Speaker 2: it was trying to scare me as much as get
Speaker 2: my attention to get me away from those steaks so
Speaker 2: something else could get in there and grab one of
Speaker 2: the steaks.
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird, absolutely, and it really lines up
Speaker 1: with you hear these common threads where sometimes they'll be
Speaker 1: more than one. They'll try to get your attention over
Speaker 1: to another area so that one could get away or
Speaker 1: in this case steal your food, which is that's wild man.
Speaker 1: That would have messed with me for a long time.
Speaker 1: When you're in a situation where something had to have
Speaker 1: hands in order to do what it did, I think
Speaker 1: that really does change you. But very cool story, very
Speaker 1: cool area, the Ape Canyon area. But y'all feel free
Speaker 1: to continue.
Speaker 3: Eric Fall.
Speaker 2: So it was October of twenty twenty four. We're back
Speaker 2: up the McKinsey River Valley. We had a fire that year.
Speaker 2: Pretty much got a fire every year now it seems.
Speaker 2: But by October the fire was out and the most
Speaker 2: of the equipment and the manpower everybody had moved out.
Speaker 2: The wife and I we jumped in the rig to
Speaker 2: hit some of the back for service roads just measure
Speaker 2: the damage and see what areas were affected, what wasn't.
Speaker 2: And some of it was pretty shocking. Some of it
Speaker 2: was intact, which was really good as forest fires are
Speaker 2: very disconcerting. This one was pretty close to where we
Speaker 2: are and so it keeps the anxiety high all year,
Speaker 2: or not all year, but all summer long. So we
Speaker 2: got up in back up in there, and as we're
Speaker 2: headed back in there, I look over and here's an
Speaker 2: area of devastation. But it's not devastation by fire. It's trees,
Speaker 2: not old growth, not huge trees. But they were probably
Speaker 2: six to eight inch diameter trees that were snapped off.
Speaker 2: Some of them were like pulled out of the ground.
Speaker 2: Some of them were broke off. Measured at fourteen feet
Speaker 2: up in the air. They were broke off, And I
Speaker 2: walked back in there because it was just so odd.
Speaker 2: I actually walked back in there and see if they
Speaker 2: were sawcat, if machinery had pushed them down.
Speaker 3: This whole area, which was probably the size of a.
Speaker 2: Maybe half a football field, There wasn't anything really standing.
Speaker 2: They were leaning over on each other. Some of them
Speaker 2: were just pushed over onto other ones, but the whole
Speaker 2: thing was surrounded by standing trees. There were there was
Speaker 2: the trees were so close. You're not going to get
Speaker 2: equipment in there. And even if you could, the trees
Speaker 2: were not They weren't damaged in such a way as
Speaker 2: where a grappler or a saw or anything left marks
Speaker 2: on it.
Speaker 3: None of this was saw cut.
Speaker 2: It was all just snapped off and just a very
Speaker 2: bizarre and realistic scene.
Speaker 3: There was.
Speaker 2: Really no way, even wind surrounded. Although it is on
Speaker 2: a hillside, we hadn't had any wind, definitely no snowlad
Speaker 2: because this was going in to fall. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: snowlad issue. So it was like something got in there
Speaker 2: and through a temper tantrum is the best way I
Speaker 2: describe it, and just walk back to the jeep. And
Speaker 2: we traveled on around to see where the fire actually
Speaker 2: had burned, and on our way back down and has been.
Speaker 3: My go to just for.
Speaker 2: Just for giggles, I'll stop in a remote area like
Speaker 2: that and shut the rig down and I'll whoop.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, I don't know where I picked
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 2: I don't even remember when I started doing it. But
Speaker 2: so we pull up there and I'm sorry, we're back
Speaker 2: at this area where all these trees were.
Speaker 3: Down, and I whoop and nothing, And so.
Speaker 2: I get ready to start the jeep back up, and
Speaker 2: I hear a whoop and I look at my wife, who,
Speaker 2: like I mentioned, is she doesn't hear so good. And
Speaker 2: she heard it, and she goes do that again, So
Speaker 2: a whoop again, and this one back and forth.
Speaker 3: For about fifteen minutes I.
Speaker 2: Had whoop, and then the awkward amount of time would
Speaker 2: go by and I would get a reply a whoop,
Speaker 2: and the reply whoop was getting farther and farther. The
Speaker 2: sound was the same, the distance was the same, but
Speaker 2: the length of time it was taking longer to respond,
Speaker 2: and so again I just chalked it up to that's.
Speaker 3: Really weird, and I started.
Speaker 2: I went to start up the jeep and the final
Speaker 2: whoop was loud enough to I could hear it over
Speaker 2: the GEP. And then so I look over out the
Speaker 2: window to this blowdown area and this.
Speaker 3: Side of I don't.
Speaker 2: I call it a blowdown area, but the tree line
Speaker 2: this side of that area, this huge black object, human
Speaker 2: shape thing just darted out and went from my right
Speaker 2: to my left and gone. It just it was so fast,
Speaker 2: just almost like a blur. And I've heard accounts of
Speaker 2: people saying they've had a rifle and tried to tried
Speaker 2: to get a shot at one of these things and
Speaker 2: try to swing the rifle as fast as they could
Speaker 2: to try to get a shot, and they couldn't keep
Speaker 2: up with it. And that's exactly what this was. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe it. I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.
Speaker 2: It was just and it was right there. It was
Speaker 2: throwing its voice off into the distance, making it sound
Speaker 2: like it was further away than it was.
Speaker 3: It was right there. Oh wow, the speed of it.
Speaker 2: Was just what what blew my mind? I was just
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe something that big could move that quick.
Speaker 2: There wasn't any fear. It was just there. We were
Speaker 2: just having fun, whooping back and forth. No idea what
Speaker 2: I was saying to it. There was no smell, no nothing.
Speaker 2: Of course, it was far enough away that the wind
Speaker 2: would have had been coming right at us to be
Speaker 2: able to smell it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was. That was the first time I
Speaker 3: had actually.
Speaker 2: Seen something heard him smell them that. That's the first
Speaker 2: time I've actually seen him. Even that wasn't very clear.
Speaker 1: How far away from you both was it approximately.
Speaker 2: So it was up an incline, but probably, oh, probably close.
Speaker 3: To fifty feet. Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, man, I.
Speaker 3: Thought I knew something was there.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was, but I knew something
Speaker 2: was there, But I had no idea it was that close.
Speaker 2: It sounded like it was off in a distance. I
Speaker 2: guess that it was throwing its voice or throwing the
Speaker 2: whoop away from us, but it was loud enough to
Speaker 2: where you could still hear it.
Speaker 3: I don't know it.
Speaker 2: To me, it showed intelligence, it didn't want to give
Speaker 2: itself up. But it really makes me wonder because I
Speaker 2: started the jeep and it whooped again, and we're getting
Speaker 2: ready to leave. So white blow your cover, so to speak,
Speaker 2: because it was behind behind a a grouping of trees
Speaker 2: to where I couldn't see it.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It just makes me wonder anyway, why
Speaker 3: I blow your cover? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So it's for listeners. So if we're talking like
Speaker 1: fifty feet that an example of that is like a
Speaker 1: little over half the length of a basketball court, is
Speaker 1: what fifty feet is. Yeah, so you saw it ron
Speaker 1: as a blur, you dart out, were you able to
Speaker 1: get a sense of how tall whatever you saw was?
Speaker 3: Not? Really? But I'd like to said it was on
Speaker 3: an incline. It was uphill from me, so I'm looking up.
Speaker 2: At it, so it maybe it looked bigger than it
Speaker 2: actually was.
Speaker 3: But I didn't go up there a measure. I didn't
Speaker 3: get out. I went home, so I knew actually laying eyes.
Speaker 2: On something for reals these this time, all the sounds,
Speaker 2: all the weird stuff that's happened in the past, it's
Speaker 2: all for this picture. And he's you can chalk up
Speaker 2: a lot of the experiences I've had to whatever when
Speaker 2: you actually see something moving like that, and maybe it
Speaker 2: was a human whooping at me, but there is no
Speaker 2: human on planet or ever that could move like that.
Speaker 3: Zero There is a zero chance.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've listened to guys recount swinging a
Speaker 2: rifle at one and not being able to keep up,
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what this was. There was if you
Speaker 2: would have drawn on this thing, there's no way you
Speaker 2: could have fired at it.
Speaker 1: Wild stuff.
Speaker 3: So this is now.
Speaker 1: You're in the time where you've actually had a sighting
Speaker 1: of something and there's no coming back from that. From
Speaker 1: what I've gathered talking to people over the years, I
Speaker 1: haven't had that yet myself. But Eric, let's continue with
Speaker 1: what you've experienced as we go along here.
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned earlier, that fire happened in twenty four.
Speaker 2: We had another fire this year, wasn't near as aggressive.
Speaker 2: This late summer was rainy, so it helped well some
Speaker 2: of the fire danger, but it also brought in thunderstorms
Speaker 2: which ignited some of the fires.
Speaker 3: And these firefighters up here have.
Speaker 2: Been doing an amazing job of getting on top of
Speaker 2: these fires very rapidly and getting them out. But unfortunately,
Speaker 2: this big called it the fully Ridge fire out of
Speaker 2: got out of control. It got away from them, and
Speaker 2: several a couple of days had gone by of this
Speaker 2: fire burning, and it looked like they weren't going to
Speaker 2: get it out, and it had grown pretty aggressively.
Speaker 3: Over the course of two days.
Speaker 2: We lived right near there, and so we thought we
Speaker 2: probably better.
Speaker 3: Get eyes on this, and because you.
Speaker 2: Don't want to be evacuating at a moment's notice, you
Speaker 2: want to plant ahead it. Later in the evening it
Speaker 2: was still daylight, but later in the evening we went
Speaker 2: up to that area and pulled off the road and
Speaker 2: it's pretty aggressive terrain, pretty thick, pretty thick brush. Again,
Speaker 2: you're in a mix of old growth dug fur and
Speaker 2: some younger dug fur, and then of course there's other
Speaker 2: lots of scrub brush and whatnot. But you could see
Speaker 2: the fire off oh gosh, probably eighth of a mile
Speaker 2: off the road as it inclines up the mountainside, and
Speaker 2: fortunately it really didn't look as bad as what they
Speaker 2: were saying, and we're relieved by that, and we just
Speaker 2: watch the choppers come in and vomit, and then it
Speaker 2: got towards evening and we're just I wanted to get
Speaker 2: some pictures of it at night with my phone. I've
Speaker 2: got a nice phone and as a night shot feature
Speaker 2: on it where you can get thermal It doesn't have
Speaker 2: thermal imaging on it as far as I know, but
Speaker 2: it does take real good pictures of ambient light at night,
Speaker 2: so if there's any light out there, phone picks up
Speaker 2: on it. So I figured we'd be able to see
Speaker 2: hotspots real well and get a pretty good scope of
Speaker 2: where the fire is, and then we'd come back subsequent
Speaker 2: nights and get updates and see how fast it's progressing.
Speaker 2: It's well after dark at this point, Fire Cruise had
Speaker 2: gone home, the choppers were long gone, and I let
Speaker 2: out a whoop, like I always do getting ready to
Speaker 2: go home. So I let out a whoop, and way
Speaker 2: up above the fire, to the left where the fire
Speaker 2: had not gone yet, I'm standing outside the jeep Patty
Speaker 2: is my wife. She's sitting in the passenger seat. I
Speaker 2: let out the whoop, and this huge dug fur. It
Speaker 2: was like within five seconds of me doing a whoop,
Speaker 2: this huge dug fur comes crashing down and I turn
Speaker 2: around to look at the wife and I'm just in shock.
Speaker 2: I asked her, did you hear that? And she's like, yes,
Speaker 2: I heard that. And I didn't get turned back around
Speaker 2: to the woodline before the second huge dug fur got
Speaker 2: up pushed down. I'd find out later it was pushed down,
Speaker 2: and so that was enough that scared me. I was
Speaker 2: finally scared. We got out of there, and we're talking
Speaker 2: about coincidences. What was that? And we both know that
Speaker 2: was outside the burn, so it wasn't burn trees coming down.
Speaker 2: That was well outside where the fire was or even
Speaker 2: had been, So that didn't add up. And so we
Speaker 2: went back and I don't know how many days had passed,
Speaker 2: It may have been a day, maybe two days after that,
Speaker 2: we went back up just to check on the progress
Speaker 2: of the fire. Again, it's at night, right at dusk,
Speaker 2: and so I'd get some pictures, some night pictures of
Speaker 2: the fire, and again I whoop, and again a tree
Speaker 2: comes down again within seconds after I whoop, and this
Speaker 2: was been the same approximate area where the other two
Speaker 2: trees came down. It was outside the burn and another
Speaker 2: massive tree. And shortly after that there was a whoop
Speaker 2: a reply that came back. And as you're looking at
Speaker 2: the mountain side, it was to my right. The trees
Speaker 2: came down to my left up the mountain side, so
Speaker 2: the whoop came from my right, and so I whooped
Speaker 2: back and got a whoop again to my right, and
Speaker 2: this went on back and forth for probably about forty
Speaker 2: five minutes. We did start working our way down because
Speaker 2: it was getting late. We did start working our way
Speaker 2: down down the road. But as we were working down,
Speaker 2: I'd pull over and whoop and get a whoop back.
Speaker 2: And I had assumed it was firefighters up in there
Speaker 2: that were camped out up in there, that were just
Speaker 2: messing around like I was messing around. But we found
Speaker 2: out the next day that no, the.
Speaker 3: Firefighters pull out before.
Speaker 2: Dark and go to their camp that was I don't know,
Speaker 2: about five or six miles away, so there was nobody
Speaker 2: up in there. And that's when I realized that we
Speaker 2: got something. For reals, He's going on here, and so
Speaker 2: I mentioned it to a friend of mine that I
Speaker 2: work with, and he was very interested to experience this
Speaker 2: for himself. So I took him up there. This is
Speaker 2: again several days later. Again we go up there and
Speaker 2: I whoop, and this time I've got the camera rolling.
Speaker 2: And just before that, you could hear something in the
Speaker 2: tree line. I couldn't see it, but you could hear
Speaker 2: something trying to be quiet moving through the tree line.
Speaker 2: And I asked him, do you hear that? He hadn't
Speaker 2: heard it, and I said, there's something in there. And
Speaker 2: I tell him I'm going to whoop, and so I
Speaker 2: whoop and another massive tree comes down and that was it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it scared him.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, let's I think it'd be good. We can
Speaker 1: play that sound right now. Actually, you have you provided
Speaker 1: the video audio for that, So I'm going to go ahead.
Speaker 1: We'll put it in here and so people can hear
Speaker 1: exactly what happened.
Speaker 4: There's something in there, I think, so I can hear it,
Speaker 4: hear it. Yeah, hung gonna whoop? Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, some wild stuff, man. I can't imagine experiencing that
Speaker 1: in real life. That would be absolutely wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first couple of times. It's a little disconcerting. This
Speaker 2: thing has to be massive. I couldn't imagine how how
Speaker 2: big this thing has to be pushing trees like that. Now,
Speaker 2: if this has happened, I gosh, I'm I lost count,
Speaker 2: but probably at least nine times, ten times now maybe one.
Speaker 3: I'd go up there.
Speaker 2: And I've taken a couple of different people up with me,
Speaker 2: and it's shocking. It's shocking the first time it happens,
Speaker 2: it's hard to believe that it's actually happening. But I
Speaker 2: took a gentleman up there with me this this last week,
Speaker 2: and he brought a large pit ball with him. And
Speaker 2: when we got in there, there wasn't there wasn't really
Speaker 2: a whole lot of activity.
Speaker 3: At first, I had.
Speaker 2: Heard some we had heard some tree knocks, and I
Speaker 2: did a whoop like I always due, and a tree
Speaker 2: came down way off in the distance, and so we
Speaker 2: thought maybe we should move in that direction, and so
Speaker 2: we did. We got in our rigs and moved down
Speaker 2: in that direction and whoop, I whooped again. And we're
Speaker 2: outside the rigs. It's pitch black. There's no moon, no stars,
Speaker 2: it's dark, absolutely dark. I'm at the rear of his rig,
Speaker 2: and he's outside the rig and I can't hardly even
Speaker 2: see him, it's so dark, but he had his dog
Speaker 2: outside the rig, and within literal minute or two, his
Speaker 2: dog was very anxious and wanted She was pawing at him,
Speaker 2: wanting back in the rig. And so he verbalized that
Speaker 2: to me that his dog is very anxious and wants
Speaker 2: to back in the rig. So he put her back
Speaker 2: in the rig, and she goes and sits in the
Speaker 2: front seat, the driver's seat, where she absolutely doesn't belong,
Speaker 2: and I whoop, and we heard some some noises. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it was a tree knock or some
Speaker 2: sort of popping sound anyway, But then for the first time,
Speaker 2: I heard feet stomping, and you could tell this thing
Speaker 2: was huge, but it was often a distance, but it
Speaker 2: was like six steps, just stomping hard into the into
Speaker 2: the ground up.
Speaker 3: On the hillside. So this thing was evidently.
Speaker 2: Not happy that there was a dog present. What I
Speaker 2: read it as maybe not, I don't know, but that's
Speaker 2: the first time anything like that has ever happened where
Speaker 2: it's stomped. But I think, honestly, I think they're moving
Speaker 2: out of the out of the area. I went up
Speaker 2: there this weekend. I went up there. Of course, we
Speaker 2: had a storm moving in and so it's hard to
Speaker 2: hear with the wind and the rain coming down. That
Speaker 2: was raining pretty aggressively, but it's hard to hear, so
Speaker 2: I might have missed something. But I've gone up there
Speaker 2: two nights now and I haven't heard anything, And so
Speaker 2: I'm thinking they're moving out because the sounds we're getting
Speaker 2: further and further off in the distance, and the fire
Speaker 2: is I'm assuming it has to be out by now with.
Speaker 3: All the rain that we've been getting.
Speaker 2: There might be a few smokers out there, but for
Speaker 2: the most part the fires out that I have to
Speaker 2: really kind of wonder. These things seem to be attracted
Speaker 2: to these fires, and I don't know if they're just
Speaker 2: keeping an eye on them, or we had fire crews
Speaker 2: out there, we had helicopters bombing. Is that the human
Speaker 2: attention to the fire that they're watching or are they
Speaker 2: watching the fire? I don't really know.
Speaker 3: They seem to be around these fires. Not sure. I
Speaker 3: don't know what your thoughts are on it, but.
Speaker 1: Eric, I completely agree with you. So, just for example Oakridge,
Speaker 1: the first year I was in Oakridge, we had those
Speaker 1: fires really close to Oakridge and the activity was wild
Speaker 1: out in the woods that was being experienced this last year,
Speaker 1: a little bit of activity, but not nearly as much.
Speaker 1: So I think when you have a fire involved, it
Speaker 1: really can kick off the things that you experience. And
Speaker 1: if you're going out, if listeners are going out when
Speaker 1: there's fires around, be careful of those, but also be
Speaker 1: aware you could find yourself in a really interesting situation
Speaker 1: like Eric has been experiencing, where whooping and then have
Speaker 1: a tree get pushed over. One time that's a coincidence,
Speaker 1: but like nine to ten times that's not a coincidence.
Speaker 1: That is something that's just completely wild.
Speaker 2: That that's within a within a very short time of
Speaker 2: the whoop. And there's been there's been times in that
Speaker 2: exact same area where all whoop tree comes down and
Speaker 2: then we hear owls all over the place, like the
Speaker 2: proverbial eight hundred pound owl. They're on the hillside on
Speaker 2: up the mountain to the right, to the left, and
Speaker 2: then we're hearing them behind us, so we're we've got
Speaker 2: them all around us. And there was one night.
Speaker 3: I have audio of that as well, that.
Speaker 2: These things just wouldn't stop. They were seemingly upset about something.
Speaker 2: I can't say that I was really that concerned about.
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared. It's not like they're projecting fear or anything.
Speaker 2: But that night that that thing stomped off, that's a
Speaker 2: pretty clear indication that big guys upset.
Speaker 3: Sure, absolute.
Speaker 2: That got me a little concerned. Pushing the trees down
Speaker 2: off in the distance, that's impressive. That's impressive, but scary. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it scared me the first, the first time or two,
Speaker 2: but after that it's old hat, as they say. But
Speaker 2: if he wanted to, he could push a tree down
Speaker 2: on us.
Speaker 3: He didn't.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there was no rock throwing, no smell, no, no whistling,
Speaker 2: no did whoop.
Speaker 3: Got whoops back.
Speaker 2: But other than that, it's you can hear them going
Speaker 2: through the brush. You until they're trying to be stealthy,
Speaker 2: but you can still hear them.
Speaker 1: Eric, It's really some fascinating encounters you've been having over
Speaker 1: the years, and I would say, please continue to keep
Speaker 1: us in the loop if you do continue to have
Speaker 1: things going on. Even if you don't, that's data too
Speaker 1: if things stop and then they start up in the
Speaker 1: half a year or something. But thank you so much
Speaker 1: for coming on the show today and sharing what you've
Speaker 1: experienced in a really active area of Oregon and just
Speaker 1: a really beautiful area as well.
Speaker 3: Hey, thank you my pleasure. I'm enjoyed sharing.
Speaker 2: Definitely not going out looking for this who just this
Speaker 2: stuff is just out there happening, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: keep on keeping on.
Speaker 3: Definitely going camping. And I think the.
Speaker 2: More remote you get, probably the more the more you're
Speaker 2: gonna be in their area, and they as long as
Speaker 2: you're not a threat to them. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: going to be a threat to you.
Speaker 3: And you never know. I don't purford to.
Speaker 2: Understand the psychology of these things. I live next to
Speaker 2: one point seven million acres of forest land, old doug for,
Speaker 2: old growth, to you name it. It's out here, rough terrain,
Speaker 2: beautiful country. Like you said, that's why I'm here. But yeah,
Speaker 2: the main thing is camping. I love getting out there.
Speaker 2: Going to keep on keeping on.
Speaker 3: Excellent. Thank you again, Eric. All right, sir, have a
Speaker 3: good dick.
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