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Speaker 2: Kevin Soling. You could find his website at Kevinsoling dot com.
Speaker 2: And I think the other one is called Spectacle Films. Kevin.
Speaker 3: That's for Expectaclefilms dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, Kevin is a great guy. Kevin is a genius.
Speaker 2: I ain't kidding around. This guy covers he's a filmmaker
Speaker 2: some of the greatest, obscure, most fascinating, interesting topics you
Speaker 2: can imagine. We had him on before the first time
Speaker 2: talking about the Gilligan Manifesto. We're gonna be talking today
Speaker 2: about this fascinating topic of drooling a hole in your
Speaker 2: head with a drill. I can't give you more enlightenment.
Speaker 2: And so that's been going on throughout history. Another that
Speaker 2: he's donunderstand about urine therapy too. We just had him
Speaker 2: on the show recently, but we had a huge audio problem.
Speaker 2: Only half the show came through just my voice, not his.
Speaker 2: And he's tell us about these adventures he's going on
Speaker 2: around the world in the jungles of looking for these
Speaker 2: tribes and stuff like that. Prophecies a cargo is incredibly
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. I'm such a fan of this man's work.
Speaker 2: You really got to keep an eye on it. Spectaclefilms
Speaker 2: dot com and Kevinsoling dot com. So Kevin, tell us
Speaker 2: about yourself. Who is Kevin Soling?
Speaker 3: Who is Kevin Soling? I am a a enfon, which is,
Speaker 3: you know, the the problem child. I think that's sort
Speaker 3: of the best I like to say I was a
Speaker 3: bon Vivan. That's not really true. I am, you know,
Speaker 3: more more of a problem child. I I like to,
Speaker 3: you know, study things that I guess people overlook, that
Speaker 3: are generally overlooked for a reason because they sort of
Speaker 3: create issues and problems. And I'm also sort of been
Speaker 3: a after I couldn't wait to get out of school
Speaker 3: when I was forced to be there. Now now I
Speaker 3: seem to be a perpetual student. I'm working my fourth
Speaker 3: graduate degree as we speak, so uh And I kind
Speaker 3: of like the environment because I again I push buttons,
Speaker 3: and right now, the college environment is such that they
Speaker 3: need someone there to to push buttons and rankle, you know,
Speaker 3: just just upset people. And that's that's kind of my
Speaker 3: mission there.
Speaker 2: And one of your passions is the Student Resistance Handbook, right.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's that's a book that tells gives
Speaker 3: advice for kids who are in compulsory school, mostly junior
Speaker 3: high and high school kids, how to fight back against
Speaker 3: the system and undermine their their schools and basically make
Speaker 3: everyone in the system as miserable as they are, uh
Speaker 3: with with the ultimate goal of abolishing compulsory schooling.
Speaker 2: Oh really, and what would you replace it with?
Speaker 3: Well, that that that's sort of I mean, there are alternatives.
Speaker 3: But you know, if I you know, if we go
Speaker 3: into this discussion, I can, I can sort of explain,
Speaker 3: but I I see compulsory schooling as a fundamentally ructive institution.
Speaker 3: So it's not even you know, it's like if you
Speaker 3: have pancreatic cancer and there's there's no cure, but there
Speaker 3: people are treating it with blood letting and leeches, and
Speaker 3: you say, well, if I'm going to stop blood letting
Speaker 3: and lead, you know, putting leaches on people, what am
Speaker 3: I going to replace it with? It's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just you're just increasing the suffering by having the system.
Speaker 3: And and you know, maybe there are no alternatives, but
Speaker 3: there are, but you know, it sort of doesn't matter
Speaker 3: because it's it's it's the harm that the system causes,
Speaker 3: and people are are willfully and aggressively blind to the
Speaker 3: harm because they they accept compulsory schooling on how it
Speaker 3: advertises itself instead of how it actually is, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't effectively teach it doesn't instill democratic elements that one
Speaker 3: would want for citizenship because it's it's a despotic environment.
Speaker 3: It doesn't promote you know, uh, skills for the workplace
Speaker 3: because it's not a vocational environment. And it does and
Speaker 3: socialize children in a healthy way either. You know, bullying
Speaker 3: is absolutely pervasive. It teaches you know, kids to fear
Speaker 3: people older than them, you know, and resent you know,
Speaker 3: people that are younger because everything is age segregated. So
Speaker 3: it does nothing effectively, nothing well. And it does accept
Speaker 3: I guess, promote suicide. And the suicide rate in school
Speaker 3: and there's a causal relationship between being in school and
Speaker 3: suicide is freakishly high. When you look at the stats
Speaker 3: from the Centers for Disease Control, one out of twelve
Speaker 3: students on average makes an attempt on their life and
Speaker 3: that's because of compulsory schooling, and one in six seriously
Speaker 3: considers suicide. And that's not just one study, that's a
Speaker 3: study that's that's constantly repeated every six years by the
Speaker 3: Centers for Disease Control. So not a good place.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, listen, we definitely have to have you come
Speaker 2: back and do a whole show about that. That is
Speaker 2: a fascinating and I could tell you've you spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time on this, man. This is a passion years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is youth youth rights is a passion of mine.
Speaker 3: And and you know, and school compulsory schooling as as
Speaker 3: the prime violator of of of rights uh and and
Speaker 3: instigator of and catalysts for pathologies is you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: challenging that is a passion.
Speaker 2: Okay, listen, the more the more I hear from you, man,
Speaker 2: the more I'm impressed. We have to have you back
Speaker 2: on it, because the last few times we're just glossed over,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's really interesting to hear this.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I'd love to hear that topic. I had
Speaker 2: you back once before about the Gilligan Manifesto. Can you
Speaker 2: tell us about that?
Speaker 3: Sure? That was an interesting thing. So I I, you know,
Speaker 3: I just sort of reflexibly, uh, analyze you know, the
Speaker 3: subtext of of you know, consumer culture and things things
Speaker 3: that I watch, you know, sometimes for fun, but sometimes
Speaker 3: it's appreciating. And I had this realization while watching Gilligan's Island,
Speaker 3: which is one of my favorite shows, because it was
Speaker 3: back on reruns. How the show is is rather remarkable
Speaker 3: because it was made during the height of the Cold War.
Speaker 3: This was one year after the Cuban missile crisis. The
Speaker 3: pilot was filmed. It was actually shot the day that
Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy was assassinated at the pilot. So if
Speaker 3: you look at the very introduction of the show, when
Speaker 3: they they're doing the intro song, you see the the
Speaker 3: SS Minow hitting the water and there are these flags
Speaker 3: in Honolulu where it was shot, and the flags are
Speaker 3: at half mast because you know, the president had just
Speaker 3: been killed. So if you have to look closely, but
Speaker 3: you can see it there. And and the show the
Speaker 3: the the shipwreck was basically an analogue for for the Holocaust,
Speaker 3: which was something that was very much on the minds
Speaker 3: of people at the time. They were building fallout shelters
Speaker 3: to try to survive nuclear war. And the show is
Speaker 3: a fantasy, of of of of a post a post
Speaker 3: apocalyptic fantasy. How how how would we survive nuclear war?
Speaker 3: What would the society look like? And the remarkable thing
Speaker 3: is that that the society that they construct is pure
Speaker 3: communist And so you have seven Americans, you know, shown
Speaker 3: constructing this communist society during the height of the Cold war.
Speaker 3: The convicts take place in most of the episodes is
Speaker 3: at since the democratic Capitalism rears the ugly head and
Speaker 3: has the excised at the end of the episode for
Speaker 3: honey instability to return. So, for instance, they toy with
Speaker 3: various things. They decide they don't have a leader, so
Speaker 3: even though they don't need one and and things are
Speaker 3: running fine on the island, they decide to elect a president,
Speaker 3: and naturally, Gilligan ends up winning sort of as the
Speaker 3: independent candidate. And Gilligan in that episode is depicted as
Speaker 3: someone who can't even tie his own shoes, and yet
Speaker 3: he's He's now president. And the social contract in democracy
Speaker 3: is that we have to adhere to the results of
Speaker 3: an election, even if our own survival is at jeopardy.
Speaker 3: So Gilligan they acknowledge and accept as their leader. They could,
Speaker 3: you know, bad decisions could jeopardize their survival. But what
Speaker 3: happens is is that everyone wants a position on his
Speaker 3: cabinet because they figure if they're the secretary of defense
Speaker 3: secretary of labor, they won't have to work, you know,
Speaker 3: getting getting a cabinet position means that they won't have
Speaker 3: to pull their weight anymore. So no, you know, so
Speaker 3: everyone demands a cabinet position. No one wants to work anymore.
Speaker 3: And it shows how how the institutions create the very
Speaker 3: problems that they were designed to solve. They institute a
Speaker 3: justice system, they introduce you know, a and within minutes
Speaker 3: everyone is suing one another. Ivon Eliez was this philosopher
Speaker 3: who basically said that, yeah, the institutions create create the
Speaker 3: problems that hospitals make people sick, and you know the
Speaker 3: obviously some people are gonna be sick otherwise, but it
Speaker 3: magnifies it in the same way the conflicts are magnified
Speaker 3: by having a justice system, and the alternative is depicted.
Speaker 3: There is this ideal communist state, the.
Speaker 2: Fact that people should go back look at our archives
Speaker 2: at spreaker dot com and look at that. We did
Speaker 2: a whole hour show about that. Yeah, excellent film and
Speaker 2: it's an enjoyable film. It may seem like it's a
Speaker 2: little esoteric, a little parts of follow but it's excellent film,
Speaker 2: man enjoyable and funny too. It's a lot of funny
Speaker 2: stuff and it's now. Plus it brings back all the
Speaker 2: old memories. You start watching those old clips over and
Speaker 2: over again. Hey, do you have any problems getting permission
Speaker 2: to play this clips.
Speaker 3: Well, because every clip is that's used, is discussed and analyzed,
Speaker 3: it's it's it falls under academic fair use. So that's
Speaker 3: precisely what the fair use doctor was creative for for
Speaker 3: that that kind of analysis, because you wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 3: be able to, you know, to do that kind of
Speaker 3: work if if I had to pay the tens of
Speaker 3: thousands or more that you know, the copyright owner would
Speaker 3: be demanding. So so yeah, it was it was fair use.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's another fascinating aspect of your work is how
Speaker 2: do you finance all this?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: How are you going down to the jungle and all
Speaker 2: this stuff and finance and only strips?
Speaker 3: Well, the very first film I did, which is the
Speaker 3: one that I believe we're about to discuss in a
Speaker 3: few minutes, became a cult classic, and because of that movie,
Speaker 3: I've been very blessed. Even documentaries don't make a whole
Speaker 3: lot of money, but I've made enough to cover the
Speaker 3: expenses of the subsequent film. And trying to pitch the
Speaker 3: products that I create is near impossible because you know,
Speaker 3: it's the stuff is too far out there for anyone
Speaker 3: who's funding. They don't you know, a few people really
Speaker 3: get or appreciate it. And this way I have no
Speaker 3: one to answer to as well, so I can make
Speaker 3: things exactly as I want. And in fact, the project
Speaker 3: I'm working on right now is one of the first
Speaker 3: where people have really come to me and offered me
Speaker 3: money to make it. But they've had all sorts of
Speaker 3: you know, strings attached, which is understandable, but the things
Speaker 3: they're asking for are just terrible. There's really bad ideas.
Speaker 3: But it explained a lot. So the doctum I'm working
Speaker 3: now involves the Beatles. It's not specifically, I mean the
Speaker 3: Beatles are the protagonist in it, but deals with the
Speaker 3: summer of nineteen sixty six and when there was this
Speaker 3: huge backlash against the Beatles and the KKK was rallying
Speaker 3: it every one of their shows and their death threats
Speaker 3: and bomb threats and you know, so it was and
Speaker 3: it was just a miserable time in general. But because
Speaker 3: it was the Beatles, people know that there's a real
Speaker 3: market for it. And but if I was going to
Speaker 3: take the money, and they insisted that I had to
Speaker 3: do up Connumpery Asers and because they were under the
Speaker 3: misimpression that that the Beatles weren't a sufficient draw and
Speaker 3: they wanted, you know, some contemporarial range for for me,
Speaker 3: I just had to select, you know, they gave me
Speaker 3: a list of like two hundred people, and I could
Speaker 3: pick anyone I wanted. But it thought I was doing
Speaker 3: eight days a week. He didn't up the money for
Speaker 3: he was anyone. And you wonder why you're seeing Sigourney
Speaker 3: Weaver and Whoopee Goldberg in it, who have nothing to
Speaker 3: do with the Beatles. You know, it's because the same
Speaker 3: money people who offered me money pays finance Ron Howard,
Speaker 3: and so Ron Howard had to interview these people, you know,
Speaker 3: as a condition for the movie, as if, you know,
Speaker 3: as if the interview with Whoopy Goldberg was going to
Speaker 3: get more more eyes on the screen than just a
Speaker 3: dock on the Beatles alone. But that's, you know, that's
Speaker 3: how people work.
Speaker 2: You know, man, I know exactly what you're talking about, exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm dealing with the same thing right now. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get it through these guys heads. But what are
Speaker 2: you going to do? But the first one you said
Speaker 2: was hole in the head. A hole in the head.
Speaker 2: Tell us about this.
Speaker 3: So Hole in the Head was the very first documentary
Speaker 3: I did. And again, you know, there's a Beatles connection there,
Speaker 3: and it was how I learned about what I'm about
Speaker 3: to discuss. It was I'd read this interview in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety eight, I believe it was interview with Paul McCartney
Speaker 3: and Musician magazine. And you know, I've been reading, you know,
Speaker 3: anytime you know, any Beatle is interviewed, I you know,
Speaker 3: I pick up whatever magazine, I always you know, read
Speaker 3: it and generally that the interviewers, you know, had just
Speaker 3: always asked the same questions, so they're always given the
Speaker 3: same answers and so tedious and boring and frustrating. But
Speaker 3: suddenly something came up that had never been mentioned before
Speaker 3: by him, and he was talking. McCartney was talking about
Speaker 3: how he was sitting down one night and Hews having
Speaker 3: dinner with John Lennon, and Lennon suggested said to Paul, hey, Paul,
Speaker 3: spec we get holes drilled in our heads. And McCarty's
Speaker 3: like what, and he goes, oh, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 3: hear it gets you hide, it expands your consciousness. You know,
Speaker 3: let's let's go get it done. And McCartney's like, you're serious,
Speaker 3: and it's like, I'll tell you what, John, you get
Speaker 3: it done, and if it's great, you tell me about
Speaker 3: it and we'll talk about it. You know, McCarty was
Speaker 3: never going to get a hold drilled in his head,
Speaker 3: but but Lenin really wanted to. But I was like curious, like, well,
Speaker 3: what is this that you know that Lenin was reading
Speaker 3: about and hearing about, Because you know, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of crazy things going around in the sixties, a lot
Speaker 3: of weird ideas. So a few months later I stumbled
Speaker 3: on this book by Donna Cassy, who's this wonderful writer
Speaker 3: who did this book called Kook's and it was this
Speaker 3: this survey of people with all sorts of crazy ideas
Speaker 3: and and in it she talks about this this concept
Speaker 3: that about drolling a hole in your head and how
Speaker 3: it you know, the possible beneficial effects. Well, all the
Speaker 3: other you know, people that she profiled the book, kouks,
Speaker 3: were just crazy people with crazy ideas. But she's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this one, actually it's a crazy thing, but it might work.
Speaker 3: You know, it seems like, you know that there might
Speaker 3: be some benefit to it. And that's what got me
Speaker 3: interested because I'm not interested in just crazy people doing
Speaker 3: crazy things, and I know there's a market for that,
Speaker 3: but for me, it was this interest of what if
Speaker 3: it does ex human potential and maybe there are other
Speaker 3: ways to go around doing this that aren't as invasive
Speaker 3: as drilling a hole in your head, or maybe there isn't,
Speaker 3: but that got me interested. So I started doing a
Speaker 3: bunch of research and I found out, you know, the
Speaker 3: story which I then went to document, and basically, there
Speaker 3: was this doctor in amsterm Well this sort of goes
Speaker 3: back actually to the Neolithic era and your ancestors, my ancestors,
Speaker 3: you know, a fraction of them were drilling holes in
Speaker 3: their heads. An Anthropologists had been discovering skulls dating back
Speaker 3: ten thousand years with holes drilled in them, and they
Speaker 3: don't know why, the archaeologists, it's a mystery. Now. Now
Speaker 3: skulls have been found in sixteenth century from sixteenth century
Speaker 3: Peru with holes in them, and those were done. You know,
Speaker 3: they know why those were done. And that was done
Speaker 3: for the same medical reasons we'd do it today, and
Speaker 3: there was from warfare. They would club one another in
Speaker 3: the head and if the skull got cracked, you know,
Speaker 3: could lead to atoma. So you drill a hole to
Speaker 3: relieve the pressure so that there's less pressure on the brain.
Speaker 3: And you know, for medical reasons, well, these were pristine skulls.
Speaker 3: There was no sign of trauma on the skull. And
Speaker 3: they can tell by by you know, the whole changes
Speaker 3: over time. If the hole is is if the hole
Speaker 3: is cut on a on a you know, just a skull,
Speaker 3: it's it's a clean cut. But if you live for
Speaker 3: many years, there's something called ossification where the rim of
Speaker 3: the hole it heals, but it never fills in, you know,
Speaker 3: just it gets smoother over time. So they can tell
Speaker 3: by looking at the hole by the ossification that the
Speaker 3: that these people lived many years with a hole in
Speaker 3: their head, that these were done while they alive. So
Speaker 3: cut to the nineteen sixties, this doctor bart Hughes, this
Speaker 3: Dutch doctor comes up with this theory that if that
Speaker 3: if you drill a hole in your head, that it
Speaker 3: could lead to this perpetual state of increased brain blood volume.
Speaker 3: That that when every time your heart beats, blood gets
Speaker 3: pushed out, you know, to all part you know, to
Speaker 3: your extremities, including your brain, and there's pulsations in your
Speaker 3: brain and if you look at an fMRI, you can
Speaker 3: see your brain pulsating in the image. Well, well R.
Speaker 3: Hughes believes that that that the degree the magnitude by
Speaker 3: which that expansion you know that your brain expands is
Speaker 3: limited by the threebro spinal fluid that surrounds your brain.
Speaker 3: And then if you if you cut a hole, it'll
Speaker 3: allow for more space for the supreebroose spinal fluid to
Speaker 3: get pressed out, and you'll have more brain blood volume,
Speaker 3: leading to more oxygen and glucose to your brain, which
Speaker 3: is what your brain feeds on in greater brain metabolism.
Speaker 3: So he tested his theory by drilling a hole, or
Speaker 3: he decided he d d But and this was sixteen
Speaker 3: this who have happened the space in downtown Now people
Speaker 3: sings and Elfie, that's the great cumentary of of all
Speaker 3: the wide things that were going on. But so he
Speaker 3: staged his own self treponnasic event in the public square
Speaker 3: and and he drilled a hole into his own head
Speaker 3: and he believed it had the desired effects.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask a quick question. Yeah, sorry for
Speaker 2: that's okay, But for for a doctor to drill in
Speaker 2: his head for the theory on self that did this
Speaker 2: haven incredible metacrack for it.
Speaker 3: He was a medical student who was who was rag
Speaker 3: oak and had pushed boundaries. So uh so he wasn't
Speaker 3: uh you know, he wasn't someone who was He was
Speaker 3: outside the popular sphere, so he was already fringe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was a fringe character. But the thing is, it's
Speaker 3: it's not legal to do that kind and even today
Speaker 3: it's it's not you know, there's certain types of surgery
Speaker 3: that's you know, not considered to be beneficial, where it's
Speaker 3: considered mutilation and and and doctors can't perform it. So
Speaker 3: so doctors around the world are not legally permitted to
Speaker 3: perform trepanation. So if you're going to get it done,
Speaker 3: you have to do it to yourself because you can't
Speaker 3: get someone else to do, you know, to you.
Speaker 2: Did you have any other accomplishments in his medical career
Speaker 2: after this?
Speaker 3: Actually, yes, there was one thing that was quite remarkable
Speaker 3: and he shared it with me at the time and
Speaker 3: it was later discovered to be true years later, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, he told me about this,
Speaker 3: and so he he knew that one of the mysteries
Speaker 3: in medicine was what is it that attracts sperm to
Speaker 3: to the egg to the ova. What is the process?
Speaker 3: And he not only identified that it was a chemical process,
Speaker 3: which which wasn't known. I mean, it's you know, it
Speaker 3: seems logical to assume that perhaps, but he knew and
Speaker 3: he identified that the the chemical that would most you know,
Speaker 3: be most attractive is in apple acid and uh and
Speaker 3: and so he developed his own successful form of birth
Speaker 3: control that could be distributed throughout the third world. That
Speaker 3: would involve basically a woman placing a small sliver of
Speaker 3: apple within you know, herself that would you know, could
Speaker 3: stay there for a couple of weeks, and you know,
Speaker 3: and and wouldn't be noticed because you just you know,
Speaker 3: you just become acclimated. And because of the greater concentration
Speaker 3: within the sliver of apple. Uh, you know, it would
Speaker 3: basically be an effective form of birth control. And so
Speaker 3: it seems he was you know, I haven't there haven't
Speaker 3: been studies on that approaches birth control, but there have been,
Speaker 3: you know, studies and researchers. He researched many years later
Speaker 3: about uh, you know, his his his identification which you know,
Speaker 3: completely nothing to do with trepanation. But but fascinating. Nonetheless,
Speaker 3: and and you know, kind of kind of remarkable.
Speaker 2: That is utterly fascinating. Has that there been any work
Speaker 2: done to create a control method like this.
Speaker 3: I do not. I do not believe so, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But they're you know, they're canon.
Speaker 3: There should it's yeah, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't.
Speaker 3: But it's a fairly recent discovery, not by him, you know,
Speaker 3: the rest of the world just you know, discovered it
Speaker 3: many years after he had written about this. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: he'd given me a paper he had written on it,
Speaker 3: you know, but it wasn't it wasn't published in a
Speaker 3: major medical journal, so it didn't it didn't get acknowledged.
Speaker 3: But uh but you know, give give them, give the
Speaker 3: man credit where credit is due.
Speaker 2: It seems like a natural birth control method, you know,
Speaker 2: that there should be explored, you know, probably more healthy
Speaker 2: than the methods we're using now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And and like I said, very easy to
Speaker 3: distribute to to parts of the world where it's it's
Speaker 3: you know, grave concern, and you know, it's you know,
Speaker 3: fairly non invasive. It's so I.
Speaker 2: Believe he had another birth control method that involved drilling
Speaker 2: a hole in your penis that was But how great
Speaker 2: is it too, man, that you meet a guy like this,
Speaker 2: you know, like a brilliant mind, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Exploring is different. Did you become friends with him?
Speaker 3: I did, and I didn't. And there were you know,
Speaker 3: there were you know, the people, all the people that
Speaker 3: met him. We were blown away by his his his
Speaker 3: intellect and his and his creativity. He was. He was
Speaker 3: a very creative mind. Unfortunately passed away. But uh, but yeah,
Speaker 3: there there's there's one one one of the people who well,
Speaker 3: I'll get to I guess his his attestation to his
Speaker 3: brilliance I think is especially meaningful. But the so after
Speaker 3: after he drilled a hole it, he wrote about his
Speaker 3: findings that it attracted the interest of a number of
Speaker 3: students from Oxford. Uh. And so they they came to
Speaker 3: to the name Joseph Mellon and Amanda Fielding and they
Speaker 3: were I think they got formally married. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they were married at that time, but they they
Speaker 3: went to to Amstram met with him. They both were like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this this seems to make a lot of sense. So
Speaker 3: first Joey Mellon made an attempt to drill a hole
Speaker 3: in his head using a it's kind of like a
Speaker 3: handheld quarkscrew, but it's a hand trap hand so you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's got like a piece of wood that you
Speaker 3: would grip with your hand and then where the screw
Speaker 3: part would be for the quarkscrew instead of being a
Speaker 3: quark screw, it's it's like a circular you know, tooth
Speaker 3: saw bit so so you push down on your skull
Speaker 3: the saw teeth, you know, carve a circle into your head.
Speaker 3: But you know, he used a local anesthetic and he
Speaker 3: dropped acid and went about, you know, pushing and twisting
Speaker 3: and twisting, and it took three attempts, three to three
Speaker 3: separate days before he finally got through. But he wrote
Speaker 3: a book called Borehole, which which describes in very very
Speaker 3: gory detailed process of of of cutting the hole in
Speaker 3: his head. And it's it's it's absolutely wonderfully gruesome, you know,
Speaker 3: he because because like the the the bone, the skull
Speaker 3: you know, kind of splinters, and he talks about trying
Speaker 3: and cracking the little you know, splintered pieces with like
Speaker 3: a cocktail for it, you know, to to try to
Speaker 3: you know, you get through. Yeah, it's it's, it's, it's
Speaker 3: it's gruesome.
Speaker 2: And in your film, there's a couple of people doing
Speaker 2: this and actually they wear goggles that they tape the
Speaker 2: goggles to their head so that.
Speaker 3: The Amanda Fielding made a movie of her own self
Speaker 3: trepanation called Heartbeat in the Brain and it's an art film.
Speaker 3: And a dentist drill, which is not the right tool
Speaker 3: to use to to cut through bone. It's fine for teeth,
Speaker 3: but but it took six hours for her to cut through.
Speaker 3: So so because there's just insane amounts of blood, you know,
Speaker 3: she puts the goggles on to keep the blood from
Speaker 3: getting in her eyes, but but the blood's going all
Speaker 3: over the goggles. And she cuts her hair, you know,
Speaker 3: because because you got to do it in front of
Speaker 3: a mirror, because you're doing it to yourself. And she
Speaker 3: takes the dentist roll up and she puts it into
Speaker 3: her her, you know, forehead or slightly above her forehead,
Speaker 3: and drills and drills and drills, and just she's wearing
Speaker 3: a white gown and and and just the blood is
Speaker 3: just us pouring and pouring and pouring, and you know,
Speaker 3: and she looks kind of alien with her face all
Speaker 3: covered with the dried blood and and new fresh blood
Speaker 3: pouring down over the goggles and and and covered and
Speaker 3: it's it's uh. But but there's there's other parts of
Speaker 3: the movie which she narrates. And she has this this
Speaker 3: pigeon that she named pigeon that it was imprinted on her,
Speaker 3: you know, was she And and so it follows her everywhere,
Speaker 3: and and it flew to her on command, and would
Speaker 3: fly away on command. And and so when the bird
Speaker 3: flies back, it's supposed to be like this restoration of wisdom,
Speaker 3: you know, from when she finally gets through. But she
Speaker 3: she showed the film just once at the London I
Speaker 3: c A. And Berta Lucci, Bernardo Berta Ucci happened to
Speaker 3: be in the audience and and and described it, you know,
Speaker 3: said it was it was the greatest movie ever made
Speaker 3: as far as he was concerned. And he was he
Speaker 3: was quite sincere when he when he said it. But
Speaker 3: there was a reporter there who described all all the
Speaker 3: people who were in attendance as or many of them
Speaker 3: as falling off their chairs like overright plumbs, you know,
Speaker 3: just passing out from the from the gore. But she
Speaker 3: she succeeded to get through. And and you know, Felt
Speaker 3: was very happy with the results, and and and the
Speaker 3: results are basically this. It's when when when all of
Speaker 3: us are children, you know, our skull gets larger. If
Speaker 3: you look at you know, they are your head versus
Speaker 3: a baby or toddler. You know, our heads are much larger.
Speaker 3: And the reason is is is because if what enables
Speaker 3: the skull to grow, it consists of of several pieces
Speaker 3: of bone called fontanelle. And so these these the fontanelle,
Speaker 3: are separate pieces. When you're about the age of eighteen,
Speaker 3: the suits, your seal and all that are floating fontanelle
Speaker 3: solidified to become one bone called which is the skull.
Speaker 3: But before then it's it's you do not have a
Speaker 3: it's not quite solid, you know, so that it can
Speaker 3: you know, you so that your head can get larger. Otherwise, yeah,
Speaker 3: we'd never get through the birth canal. So, uh, the
Speaker 3: the drilling of the whole is supposed to be this
Speaker 3: restoration of that state of consciousness that we all had
Speaker 3: as as children. You know, where there's there's this decrease
Speaker 3: in anxiety, there's increase in energy. Uh, there there's more elasticity.
Speaker 3: Uh So, so there's there's greater potential for learning and
Speaker 3: learning at a much more rapid pace. Uh So, so
Speaker 3: it's uh, you know, and and there's also a different
Speaker 3: type of uh connection. There's there's sort of a you know,
Speaker 3: a natural high of sorts of of being, you know,
Speaker 3: an adolescent that that we lose at that moment of
Speaker 3: of of adulthood. And and so so they describe but
Speaker 3: treporation as a restoration of of of something that we
Speaker 3: once had, of of of this of this state of consciousness.
Speaker 2: That childlike quality that we have. Right yeah, oh boy, okay,
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Speaker 1: It's the Opperman Report, and now here is Investigator Inferman.
Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to the Opperaman Report. I'm your host,
Speaker 2: private investigator at Opperman. We're here today with Kevin Sooling
Speaker 2: from Spectaclefilms dot com and Kevinsoling dot com. By the way,
Speaker 2: Kevin is spoket with a c ce v I n
Speaker 2: uh Soling s O l I n G Kevinsoling dot com.
Speaker 2: Excellent films, great topics, man most some of the most
Speaker 2: interesting topics you can find. We're talking today about his
Speaker 2: film called A Hole in the Head, about drilling a
Speaker 2: hole in your head. No, it's to get an enlightenment
Speaker 2: and wisdom and all kinds of stuff, more energy and
Speaker 2: childlike wonder. I guess now, Kevin, this is where the
Speaker 2: expression comes from. I need that like a hole in
Speaker 2: the head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it develops from that. I mean, so, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, so there's a little more to the story.
Speaker 3: So I mean that's sort of how how how how
Speaker 3: it's the modern day trepanation movement began and after Amanda
Speaker 3: Fielding and Joey Mellon drilled holes in their heads, they
Speaker 3: kind of told two friends, who told two friends and
Speaker 3: so on, and there was a lot of people in
Speaker 3: England who ended up drilling holes in their heads. And
Speaker 3: then it sort of you know, there was an American
Speaker 3: Peter Halverson, who was one of the first here to
Speaker 3: drill you know, maybe the first, you know, to drill
Speaker 3: a hole in his head, at least for that purpose.
Speaker 3: And Amanda later got remarried to Lord James need Path
Speaker 3: and he's a professor at Oxford I guess now emeritis.
Speaker 3: And he taught international relations to Bill Clinton when Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton was a student at Oxford, when he was a
Speaker 3: Rhodes scholar, So he had Bill Clinton as a as
Speaker 3: a student. And it was funny because the National Choir
Speaker 3: actually published a story after my film came out. They
Speaker 3: they that, how you know, Bill Clinton's professor has a
Speaker 3: hole in his head, and it was like, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was all true. Everything that was that was there. So
Speaker 3: it was pretty it was pretty amusing. But he's, uh,
Speaker 3: he's the largest, you know, one of the largest landholders
Speaker 3: in Scotland and uh and and he was one who
Speaker 3: who attested to uh uh you know, to to Bart
Speaker 3: Hughes and and actually you know, called him a genius
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, like I said, an Oxford professor.
Speaker 3: So he's he's uh kind of impressive. But so so
Speaker 3: it turned into, you know, to kind of a movement,
Speaker 3: and finally it resulted in all all along they'd been
Speaker 3: wanting research done. And there was a Russian physiologist, Yuri Muskolenko,
Speaker 3: who published research evaluating the efficacy of of trepanation and
Speaker 3: whether it would lead to increased brain blood volume, and
Speaker 3: his research seemed to indicate that that it does. I'd
Speaker 3: feel more comfortable with more research, but it's it's certainly
Speaker 3: a step in the right direction toward affirming their their
Speaker 3: their assertions. New scientists did review the study and gave
Speaker 3: it their blessing, thought that the protocol was sound. But
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's that things are always open to
Speaker 3: more research. But you know, there there it is indicative
Speaker 3: that there there is there is reason to believe that
Speaker 3: there might be a benefit. And when John Lennon was
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam when he was honeymooning with with Yoko Ona
Speaker 3: when he got married, he was still with the Beatles,
Speaker 3: he called to meet with with Bart Hughes, and he
Speaker 3: kept telling Bart that he wanted to get you know,
Speaker 3: the doctor, that he wanted to get his head drilled,
Speaker 3: and and the doctor said, don't, don't do it. And
Speaker 3: the reason he told Lenin not to do it is
Speaker 3: is that about eight percent or so of the population
Speaker 3: have what's called a mytopic skull. And a mytopic skull
Speaker 3: is when the sutures on the on the fontinelle don't
Speaker 3: seal perfectly and you have a natural hole in your head,
Speaker 3: you know, just there's a you know, slightly off what
Speaker 3: you know, when when the when the sutures seal, and
Speaker 3: and so there's a there's a small percentage of people
Speaker 3: and and Bart Hughes was, you know, was certain that
Speaker 3: John Lennon. In order for him and the other Beatles
Speaker 3: to have accomplished all the things they did, they must
Speaker 3: have natural holes in their heads. So, uh, which is
Speaker 3: kind of funny. So so he was he was adamant
Speaker 3: that Lenin shoudn't shouldn't drill a hole in his head
Speaker 3: because it wouldn't it wouldn't accomplish anything. But the trepidation
Speaker 3: was a procedure that that did persist, you know, back
Speaker 3: from ten thousand years and and and and the ancient
Speaker 3: Greece Hypocrates wrote about his his procedure and process. I
Speaker 3: mean there's there's modern day we know why, you know,
Speaker 3: why it was done, we know, you know Apocrates and
Speaker 3: why these other people were you know, we're doing it.
Speaker 3: But it had been attempted on, you know, for different
Speaker 3: reasons in the Middle Ages, and there was an effort
Speaker 3: in the Middle Ages to try you seeing as a
Speaker 3: cure for insanity and mental illness is you know, continues
Speaker 3: to be and has always been an issue for you know,
Speaker 3: how how do we deal with this and how do
Speaker 3: we treat this? And uh, you know, there there have
Speaker 3: been all sorts of on you know, unsavory, unpleasant and
Speaker 3: you know, inappropriate efforts to address it, and one was
Speaker 3: this curiosity to see, well, if trepor nation is beneficial,
Speaker 3: how you know, will it will it help people who
Speaker 3: are you know, who have mental health issues? Uh? And
Speaker 3: didn't And so when it when it became associate crazy
Speaker 3: back then, and then you know, because it wasn't effective
Speaker 3: at treating insanity, and you know, people who were insane,
Speaker 3: we're you know, had holes in their head. The practice,
Speaker 3: you know, fell out of favor and and got that
Speaker 3: expression I need need it like a hole in the head.
Speaker 3: The whole, the whole notion that people commonly tell me
Speaker 3: is like, oh, people were get to read spirits and stuff,
Speaker 3: and that's that's that's really true. I mean it's like
Speaker 3: when if you take antiocidis or something like that, very
Speaker 3: you know would say that they do it to clear
Speaker 3: toxins out the body. You know, so you have an
Speaker 3: issue of semantics. You could say toxins or evil spirits
Speaker 3: or maybe you know, years from now referring back then,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he took vitamin C, you know,
Speaker 3: because of evil spirit and the top. So yeah, there,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a reason to infantilize some of the medicine,
Speaker 3: but not not all. I mean, it's there. There is
Speaker 3: a tendency to you know, to to to look down
Speaker 3: to see a little touch at in history and you
Speaker 3: know see other been some some dumb mistakes, but they
Speaker 3: weren't really much dumber than we are today.
Speaker 2: I think it's more likely they'll point to ce d
Speaker 2: oil and it was from evil skirts. But now what
Speaker 2: about the people though that were doing this were the
Speaker 2: higher class? These was like the ruling class right. Well?
Speaker 3: That that that was the study that Bart Hughes had
Speaker 3: done another one of his research. So he he had
Speaker 3: went gone to a number of cemeteries I think in
Speaker 3: England that were uh, I feel like from like I
Speaker 3: think twelfth century, and he and the professions of the
Speaker 3: people who were I read were noted in his his
Speaker 3: you know, the grave sites that he studied. And he
Speaker 3: found that there was in the top classes, uh and
Speaker 3: people with holes in their heads. So it could be
Speaker 3: one of two things. Either the holes, you know, I
Speaker 3: mean he liked to conclude that the holes enabled them
Speaker 3: to be top you know, the top classes. But but
Speaker 3: I I don't know how much social mobility there was
Speaker 3: back then. You know, it could be that the people
Speaker 3: who were the top classes with vendril holes in their heads,
Speaker 3: you know, as some art of you know, some affectation
Speaker 3: of being a top class. So we don't, we don't
Speaker 3: really know. It's not it's not all that conclusive, I
Speaker 3: don't think. But but he he seemed to think that
Speaker 3: it that it was the this, you know, the the
Speaker 3: greater skill set that they you know, got from drilling
Speaker 3: a hole in their head, that that resulted in it.
Speaker 3: But I'm you know, I think it's it's a hard
Speaker 3: conclusion to come to.
Speaker 2: Now, what about today like the you know, the art
Speaker 2: you know class, you know, the fan class. Now any
Speaker 2: indication of people today like a secret society is of
Speaker 2: doing this and just not telling the general public about
Speaker 2: it because they don't want us to know.
Speaker 3: Well, I I don't. I think I think, you know,
Speaker 3: if you're getting my personal opinion, I think the biggest,
Speaker 3: the greatest problem with society is we have no elite
Speaker 3: class anymore. There are no elites, But are are are
Speaker 3: Are there people doing this underground? Yes? They're actually there are.
Speaker 3: And I know this because I sort of, you know,
Speaker 3: I I unwittingly you know, participated in in you know,
Speaker 3: allowing my apartment to be used as a safe house,
Speaker 3: you know, for there was a I mean, I wasn't
Speaker 3: aware that this was going on. I just had, you know,
Speaker 3: there was a was Peter Halverson, who I was filming,
Speaker 3: asked if some people could stay. And it wasn't like
Speaker 3: I was facilitating any anything really nefarious or anything, but
Speaker 3: they were, uh there were there was a doctor in
Speaker 3: Mexico who was illegally performing trepanations and uh so Peter,
Speaker 3: you know, was was sending them to to Mexico to
Speaker 3: this doctor, people who wanted it done. You know, he
Speaker 3: wasn't you know, you couldn't say that he was facilitating.
Speaker 3: You know, he was people who wanted it. He was
Speaker 3: allowing them to pursue and giving them information. And there's
Speaker 3: nothing illegal about giving information that's protected in her First Amendment.
Speaker 3: So uh so, so you know, so, so I was
Speaker 3: aware of quite a number of people who were under
Speaker 3: the radar, who were who were going off to Mexico
Speaker 3: to meet with this doctor. And then the Mexican government
Speaker 3: found out about it and threatened to revoke his his license.
Speaker 3: So by and large, you know, people tend to do
Speaker 3: it to themselves for that reason. But you know, it's
Speaker 3: obviously you know, if if you're going to do it,
Speaker 3: which I'm not advocating. If you're going to do it, yes,
Speaker 3: it's best to have to have a doctor.
Speaker 2: Do you have any regrets for for publicizing this procedure?
Speaker 3: Do I I'm not publicized. I mean I'm making them.
Speaker 3: I'm documenting, in reporting something that's going on. I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not statistic people should do this.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, I never would have heard about
Speaker 2: this before you. Okay, you're responsible, and I'm considering. I read,
Speaker 2: I watch your film, and I see this, and I'm saying,
Speaker 2: but you know, maybe there's something to this, there's something
Speaker 2: I might want to try. So you have no qualms
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, people are gonna do what they're gonna do.
Speaker 3: I I will go on record and saying that, you know,
Speaker 3: I I don't think people should should should do it,
Speaker 3: you know, but but there might be benefit to it.
Speaker 3: But I you know, there might be a benefit to it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you do it.
Speaker 2: You're not a doctor, and you can't you can't advise
Speaker 2: people to do this. If you neither one who's adopted.
Speaker 2: You're probably way closer to a doctor than I am.
Speaker 2: But anyway, any stories about people who have tried this
Speaker 2: at home and then there's been disasters anything like that.
Speaker 3: There was there was the first story you know up
Speaker 3: until I guess it was eight years ago and I
Speaker 3: think there's only been one one casualty, but there was
Speaker 3: the first casualty was about like eight or nine years ago.
Speaker 3: Where or you know, as long as you don't drill
Speaker 3: into your your brain and you take precaution because you know,
Speaker 3: you you got to you know, make sure, you know
Speaker 3: you risk infection. You know you're you're opening your your
Speaker 3: you know, when you drill the skin of you will
Speaker 3: hel over. But yeah, you need to make sure everything
Speaker 3: is sterile and adhere to all sorts of proper procedures
Speaker 3: as far as echoes, you don't get an infection. And
Speaker 3: and you don't want to drill into the brain. If
Speaker 3: you drill into the brain, you will die, right and
Speaker 3: you know, and and so you know, uh, that happened once.
Speaker 3: It was someone someone I think in Cardiff, someone in England,
Speaker 3: northern England, Uh who who who died as as a result.
Speaker 3: But that's you know, as far as modern instances, that's
Speaker 3: that's been pretty rare fortunately, and sims can happen and
Speaker 3: you don't want to risk it and.
Speaker 2: You're showing you and your film some tribe it does this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah tribe. So that there are there there's
Speaker 3: a there's you know, the tribe in Africa, the Kizy
Speaker 3: that that practices. So so there's different there are different
Speaker 3: approaches that you can use, you know, at least that
Speaker 3: have been used you know, from the earliest days. Which
Speaker 3: so so there was a cutting, the cutting method, which
Speaker 3: is you know, basically uh, you know, an obsidian blade
Speaker 3: that you use and you just keep cutting and cutting
Speaker 3: and cutting into a square basically into the skull. And
Speaker 3: that that seems particularly I mean, all the methods are
Speaker 3: kind of gruesome. Cutting seems pretty horrible. Uh. Another is
Speaker 3: is scraping, which is you know kind of like you
Speaker 3: can imagine you're just scraping layer and layer and layer
Speaker 3: of the skull bone until you scrape through the skull
Speaker 3: and and form a hole that way. You know. Then
Speaker 3: there's uh basic chisel you hammer and chisel, and then
Speaker 3: there's various forms of drilling. So h yeah, the keysy
Speaker 3: they they I think they used the cutting method, and
Speaker 3: uh it's you know, it takes a while, it takes hours,
Speaker 3: to get through and it's you know, the whole is
Speaker 3: you know, can be quite large. Uh you know that
Speaker 3: method and they ye know, they do it for various
Speaker 3: sort of you know, medical reasons of sorts. You know,
Speaker 3: persistent headaches. Yeah, I'm not sure you know how how
Speaker 3: it helps you know.
Speaker 2: That or not, But just fascinating. Just is there anything
Speaker 2: we haven't covered on us because I would like to
Speaker 2: touch on the urine good health as well. Because you
Speaker 2: were on a roll with the with the hole in
Speaker 2: the head, you went to the urine, you went to
Speaker 2: the other end, right, heads and tails.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I went to the other so so hold on
Speaker 3: ahead after holding the head, Yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 3: curious about auto urine therapy and an auto urine therapy
Speaker 3: is something that's that's that also dates back to prehistoric times.
Speaker 3: And the the problem with the film was that there
Speaker 3: wasn't a whole lot of controversy with with the hole
Speaker 3: in the head. There was there was real controversy. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of neurosurgeons who were really aggressively opposed to
Speaker 3: anyone drilling a hole in their head. And this is
Speaker 3: you know, before any research was done, and I'm sure
Speaker 3: they'd still be skeptical of the research that has been
Speaker 3: done since. But but all your own therapy was was
Speaker 3: was a shocker because all the doctors and everyone I
Speaker 3: talked to, you know, we're kind of you know, accepting
Speaker 3: that this that there are medical benefits that it does
Speaker 3: seem to boost the immune system. It is urine, is
Speaker 3: is sterile. It has trace amounts of ammonia in it,
Speaker 3: so it kills off any bacteria and anything that's that's
Speaker 3: in your urine. I guess the the the amounts are
Speaker 3: small enough that that it doesn't present a health risk
Speaker 3: because obviously you don't want to drink ammonia. And Gandhi
Speaker 3: practice urine therapy and it's fairly common in India. I
Speaker 3: mean generally places where were water water sources are scarce. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's going to be practiced. Uh, you know, for obvious reasons.
Speaker 3: It's safe and you need to stay hydrated. I know
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church in Mexico was allowing their nuns that
Speaker 3: were in remote regions to promote urine therapy. That was
Speaker 3: in the film. Uh. The shocking things that were in
Speaker 3: the film was that there are certain medications. Uh, uricinase
Speaker 3: and primarole are two medicines that are made from urine.
Speaker 3: Urkinase is made from human urine and primarole from horse urine,
Speaker 3: and their their heart medicines, and uh uh the way
Speaker 3: they this was was kind of fun. The way they
Speaker 3: collect urine for uricinase is from portapatties. So when you
Speaker 3: pee in a your your wort of urine is getting
Speaker 3: collected in many situations, many circumstances, and as being being
Speaker 3: used for for very purposes, including including making medication.
Speaker 2: Because people pour their beer down there, they spit in
Speaker 2: there and stuff like that. You know, like the cigarette let's.
Speaker 3: Say filtered the filter filter. But yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 3: I guess the best source for for collection and filtration.
Speaker 3: But yeah, people people will throw things.
Speaker 2: It's port quarter of potties at woodstock, Okay, use those
Speaker 2: and people are going out on a trip. Now, what
Speaker 2: about you said, heart medication? What kind? What type of
Speaker 2: heart medications? Is this?
Speaker 3: For?
Speaker 2: What benefit?
Speaker 3: Uh? For what benefit? You're putting me on the spot.
Speaker 3: I never I never investigated beyond Yeah, I'm sure I did,
Speaker 3: but off the top of my head, I just know
Speaker 3: that it was a heart heart medicine. But I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not sure, I'll have to do that research also too.
Speaker 3: You got me that questure?
Speaker 2: Okay, got what about the since this has been throughout history,
Speaker 2: people do this whole time. How come in our culture
Speaker 2: here in the United States, it's so uh dis taste?
Speaker 2: What's so important? It's disgusting to think of drinking urine?
Speaker 2: How come?
Speaker 3: Well? Because I mean, it's it's sort of logical that
Speaker 3: human waste. But you know, you know, it's it's it's waste,
Speaker 3: it's a waste product.
Speaker 2: But someone thought of doing it and it turned out
Speaker 2: to be good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I I I think, but yeah, I
Speaker 5: think there's a uh, you know, there there's a logical
Speaker 5: reason that we you know, you know, we we certainly
Speaker 5: don't consume our feces.
Speaker 3: Which is which is reasonable. But it's yeah, I guess
Speaker 3: some of it is obviously cultural.
Speaker 2: And what about in your research there are.
Speaker 3: Different cultures where they'll eat all sorts of things, you
Speaker 3: know there. I've been to China and there there are
Speaker 3: things that they have no problem eating there that I
Speaker 3: am repulsed by. So it's you know, so so some
Speaker 3: of its cultural.
Speaker 2: And and in your research into urine, there did any
Speaker 2: of it spill over into like the fetish of golden
Speaker 2: showers and that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: It could have I didn't go there because I, you know,
Speaker 3: this was this was more of a medical doc. But
Speaker 3: you know that's it could have gone there. I could
Speaker 3: have investigated that, but I was, you know, I was
Speaker 3: sticking to to the you know, to the efficacy rather
Speaker 3: than you know, fetishisms and stuff.
Speaker 2: I know, I only asked I could throw spill over.
Speaker 2: I guess, I guess all right, anything I didn't ask
Speaker 2: you about the urine urine health that I didn't ask
Speaker 2: you that you want the public to know you're.
Speaker 3: You're in good health. Yeah, the name of the movie, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the name of the movies you're in good health. And uh,
Speaker 3: like I said, explores the efficacy. And you do see
Speaker 3: some some people drinking their own pea on cam for
Speaker 3: you know, to to demonstrate their convictions.
Speaker 2: And back to hold in the head. Where can we
Speaker 2: find Hole in a Head if we want to watch
Speaker 2: it right now?
Speaker 3: So you can find these movies on Amazon if you
Speaker 3: have Amazon Prime and and stuff, and it should be
Speaker 3: on iTunes and all the different digital platforms. I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure they might be on YouTube as well. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't deal with the distribution side of my movies,
Speaker 3: but I know that that's where there. I know, Amazon
Speaker 3: and iTunes for sure, and probably YouTube, but those are
Speaker 3: the big places. But yeah, any any of the major outlets,
Speaker 3: they should be you know, you should be able to
Speaker 3: track them down.
Speaker 2: Okay. At the last time, when we had that failure
Speaker 2: with the audio, you would tell me about mister Kevin
Speaker 2: and the Cargo cult. But I see here looking on
Speaker 2: IMDb that hasn't been released yet.
Speaker 3: No, No, that's so that's that's like my latest movie.
Speaker 3: So I've been I'm in negotiations with distributors on that one,
Speaker 3: so that one's you know, that one should be out,
Speaker 3: you know, later this year. But that's the one where
Speaker 3: I went to visit this tribe in Vanawatu and they
Speaker 3: announced that I had fulfilled this divine prophecy that they
Speaker 3: had and they ended up giving me their island and
Speaker 3: uh it was you know, and and basically made me
Speaker 3: into a minor deity on the island.
Speaker 2: Now, when they said you fulfill their prophecy, do you believe.
Speaker 3: That, well, I had so yeah, so uh yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: but you know, as far as the consequences, I mean,
Speaker 3: they write their own myths, and they control it and
Speaker 3: and and you know, they determine things. So it's not like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's not like I have any and any
Speaker 3: authority over you know, their interpretation of and and and
Speaker 3: what that ultimately means. That's you know, all within their
Speaker 3: uh yeah, they're there there their contexts and their dialogue.
Speaker 3: But but but you know, it did result there there
Speaker 3: were there were fifteen different factioning tribes on the island,
Speaker 3: and I was directly and you know, responsible for uniting
Speaker 3: those those tribes. And I also helped excise the Vietnamese
Speaker 3: mafia was you know, had a real presence on the island,
Speaker 3: and I helped basically you know, get them off the
Speaker 3: island and and and their their influence and uh you
Speaker 3: know so so I I, you know, I was you know,
Speaker 3: I I did lead to a lot of positive changes
Speaker 3: the the that that tribe ended up becoming a political
Speaker 3: party as well. And while they there's a there's a
Speaker 3: key distinction between the tribal chiefdom, you know, and and
Speaker 3: ruling certain things that take place within the tribe. But
Speaker 3: then public goods are ruled by the government. So there's
Speaker 3: I guess sort of a private sector and a public sector,
Speaker 3: and they never were involved in the public sector before
Speaker 3: that was that was you know, the government, you know,
Speaker 3: would would control what took place on the island as
Speaker 3: it related to the outs side world as a result,
Speaker 3: related to UH development, UH, infrastructure, things of that nature
Speaker 3: that would directly affect their lives, but but outside of
Speaker 3: their jurisdiction. UH. Once they became a political party with
Speaker 3: you know, through my involvement, UH, they then were able
Speaker 3: to take control and become elected into you know, roles
Speaker 3: of leadership where they have greater control over their own
Speaker 3: lives and the decisions that affect them.
Speaker 2: Kevin Selling, I got to tell you, man, you got
Speaker 2: the most fascinating life that I tell you. You're blow
Speaker 2: me away, man, you really do. Kevin Sling dot com
Speaker 2: and the other one is a Spectaclefilms dot com. Kevin,
Speaker 2: We're out of time, man, but thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Another great episode from Kevin Sewing when this film comes out,
Speaker 2: the one about the prophecy. What's it called again?
Speaker 3: So it's mister Kevin and the Cargo Cult. And Kevin
Speaker 3: spelled with the sea because like you know, because Maniam
Speaker 3: spelled with the sea. So yeah, so it's about it's
Speaker 3: about my time and you know, visiting and the conflicts
Speaker 3: and I mean, you know that the summary I gave
Speaker 3: is really brief, and there's a lot more drama there
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's there's some pretty intense times there
Speaker 3: where where you know, it looked like things you know
Speaker 3: were yeah, that the government, the the you know, had
Speaker 3: threatened me, and it was it was kind of intense.
Speaker 2: Kevin, Thank you so much. Man. Okay, soon as it
Speaker 2: comes out, give me a call anytime you want to
Speaker 2: come on you give me a call. Recipes to me, man,
Speaker 2: whatever you want. You got an open door. And definitely
Speaker 2: about this thing about the student resistance handbook, we got
Speaker 2: to do a whole show about that, my friend.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, absolutely well, thank you, and I
Speaker 3: thanks thanks Again's always such a pleasure being on your show.
Speaker 2: No, it really is. Man, fascinated body. I'd tell you,
Speaker 2: I wonder if this whole thing is a giant hoax.
Speaker 2: He's just making all this stuff up, you know, it
Speaker 2: could be and I got to look into this. Kevin Soling, Man, God,
Speaker 2: bless you, thank you so much, thank you. But all right, man, Kevin,
Speaker 2: So this guy's fascinating, man, I tell you, I'm like
Speaker 2: the biggest fan of the freaking world Spectaclefilms dot com,
Speaker 2: Kevin Soling and so what I see ce v I
Speaker 2: N s or l I NNG dot com, The Gillian Manifesto,
Speaker 2: Who's an incredible film? A Hole in Your Head is
Speaker 2: an incredible film. I've watched both of these. This is
Speaker 2: great stuff, man, and I always tell us about this out.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the Urine one. I haven't seen the
Speaker 2: other one about the prophecy. But also Ickland Ickland, what
Speaker 2: is this thing? The Eckland tribe?
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He was telling me about it last time till we
Speaker 2: didn't get a chance to talk about it this time.
Speaker 2: But just incredible stuff I come out of this guy,
Speaker 2: all these eclectic topics and stuff. Anyway, if you like
Speaker 2: this show, here about Kevin Solan, I don't know how
Speaker 2: you could not like it. This guy's a brilliant guy.
Speaker 2: And by the way, too, he's no diva like some
Speaker 2: of these guests. So we totally destroyed his last taping
Speaker 2: and he just came back. He did a retelling of
Speaker 2: it just beautifully. Thank you so much, Kevin Solman. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate it. But check out Opperamanreport dot com. That's
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Speaker 2: Kevin Soling Prophet. Uh, what's this thing called here?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Kevin Soul Doctor, mister Kevin and the Cargo Cult. I
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Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Kevin Soling