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<v Speaker 1>It's the Opperman Report. Join digital forensic Investigator in PI

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Soling. You could find his website at Kevinsoling dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the other one is called Spectacle Films. Kevin.

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<v Speaker 3>That's for Expectaclefilms dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Kevin is a great guy. Kevin is a genius.

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<v Speaker 2>I ain't kidding around. This guy covers he's a filmmaker

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<v Speaker 2>some of the greatest, obscure, most fascinating, interesting topics you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine. We had him on before the first time

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Gilligan Manifesto. We're gonna be talking today

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<v Speaker 2>about this fascinating topic of drooling a hole in your

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<v Speaker 2>head with a drill. I can't give you more enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's been going on throughout history. Another that

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<v Speaker 2>he's donunderstand about urine therapy too. We just had him

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<v Speaker 2>on the show recently, but we had a huge audio problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Only half the show came through just my voice, not his.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's tell us about these adventures he's going on

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<v Speaker 2>around the world in the jungles of looking for these

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<v Speaker 2>tribes and stuff like that. Prophecies a cargo is incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating stuff. I'm such a fan of this man's work.

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<v Speaker 2>You really got to keep an eye on it. Spectaclefilms

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<v Speaker 2>dot com and Kevinsoling dot com. So Kevin, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>about yourself. Who is Kevin Soling?

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<v Speaker 3>Who is Kevin Soling? I am a a enfon, which is,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the the problem child. I think that's sort

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<v Speaker 3>of the best I like to say I was a

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<v Speaker 3>bon Vivan. That's not really true. I am, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>more more of a problem child. I I like to,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, study things that I guess people overlook, that

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<v Speaker 3>are generally overlooked for a reason because they sort of

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<v Speaker 3>create issues and problems. And I'm also sort of been

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<v Speaker 3>a after I couldn't wait to get out of school

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<v Speaker 3>when I was forced to be there. Now now I

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<v Speaker 3>seem to be a perpetual student. I'm working my fourth

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<v Speaker 3>graduate degree as we speak, so uh And I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like the environment because I again I push buttons,

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<v Speaker 3>and right now, the college environment is such that they

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<v Speaker 3>need someone there to to push buttons and rankle, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>just just upset people. And that's that's kind of my

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<v Speaker 3>mission there.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of your passions is the Student Resistance Handbook, right.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, Yeah, that's that's a book that tells gives

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<v Speaker 3>advice for kids who are in compulsory school, mostly junior

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<v Speaker 3>high and high school kids, how to fight back against

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<v Speaker 3>the system and undermine their their schools and basically make

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<v Speaker 3>everyone in the system as miserable as they are, uh

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<v Speaker 3>with with the ultimate goal of abolishing compulsory schooling.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, and what would you replace it with?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that that that's sort of I mean, there are alternatives.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, if I you know, if we go

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<v Speaker 3>into this discussion, I can, I can sort of explain,

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<v Speaker 3>but I I see compulsory schooling as a fundamentally ructive institution.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not even you know, it's like if you

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<v Speaker 3>have pancreatic cancer and there's there's no cure, but there

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<v Speaker 3>people are treating it with blood letting and leeches, and

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<v Speaker 3>you say, well, if I'm going to stop blood letting

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<v Speaker 3>and lead, you know, putting leaches on people, what am

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<v Speaker 3>I going to replace it with? It's like, well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you're just you're just increasing the suffering by having the system.

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<v Speaker 3>And and you know, maybe there are no alternatives, but

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<v Speaker 3>there are, but you know, it sort of doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 3>because it's it's it's the harm that the system causes,

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<v Speaker 3>and people are are willfully and aggressively blind to the

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<v Speaker 3>harm because they they accept compulsory schooling on how it

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<v Speaker 3>advertises itself instead of how it actually is, and it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't effectively teach it doesn't instill democratic elements that one

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<v Speaker 3>would want for citizenship because it's it's a despotic environment.

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't promote you know, uh, skills for the workplace

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<v Speaker 3>because it's not a vocational environment. And it does and

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<v Speaker 3>socialize children in a healthy way either. You know, bullying

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<v Speaker 3>is absolutely pervasive. It teaches you know, kids to fear

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<v Speaker 3>people older than them, you know, and resent you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people that are younger because everything is age segregated. So

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<v Speaker 3>it does nothing effectively, nothing well. And it does accept

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, promote suicide. And the suicide rate in school

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<v Speaker 3>and there's a causal relationship between being in school and

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<v Speaker 3>suicide is freakishly high. When you look at the stats

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<v Speaker 3>from the Centers for Disease Control, one out of twelve

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<v Speaker 3>students on average makes an attempt on their life and

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<v Speaker 3>that's because of compulsory schooling, and one in six seriously

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<v Speaker 3>considers suicide. And that's not just one study, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>study that's that's constantly repeated every six years by the

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<v Speaker 3>Centers for Disease Control. So not a good place.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, listen, we definitely have to have you come

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<v Speaker 2>back and do a whole show about that. That is

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<v Speaker 2>a fascinating and I could tell you've you spent a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time on this, man. This is a passion years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is youth youth rights is a passion of mine.

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<v Speaker 3>And and you know, and school compulsory schooling as as

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<v Speaker 3>the prime violator of of of rights uh and and

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<v Speaker 3>instigator of and catalysts for pathologies is you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>challenging that is a passion.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, listen, the more the more I hear from you, man,

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<v Speaker 2>the more I'm impressed. We have to have you back

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<v Speaker 2>on it, because the last few times we're just glossed over,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's it's really interesting to hear this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating. I'd love to hear that topic. I had

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<v Speaker 2>you back once before about the Gilligan Manifesto. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>tell us about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? That was an interesting thing. So I I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I just sort of reflexibly, uh, analyze you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>subtext of of you know, consumer culture and things things

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<v Speaker 3>that I watch, you know, sometimes for fun, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it's appreciating. And I had this realization while watching Gilligan's Island,

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<v Speaker 3>which is one of my favorite shows, because it was

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<v Speaker 3>back on reruns. How the show is is rather remarkable

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<v Speaker 3>because it was made during the height of the Cold War.

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<v Speaker 3>This was one year after the Cuban missile crisis. The

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<v Speaker 3>pilot was filmed. It was actually shot the day that

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<v Speaker 3>John F. Kennedy was assassinated at the pilot. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you look at the very introduction of the show, when

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<v Speaker 3>they they're doing the intro song, you see the the

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<v Speaker 3>SS Minow hitting the water and there are these flags

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<v Speaker 3>in Honolulu where it was shot, and the flags are

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<v Speaker 3>at half mast because you know, the president had just

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<v Speaker 3>been killed. So if you have to look closely, but

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<v Speaker 3>you can see it there. And and the show the

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<v Speaker 3>the the shipwreck was basically an analogue for for the Holocaust,

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<v Speaker 3>which was something that was very much on the minds

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<v Speaker 3>of people at the time. They were building fallout shelters

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<v Speaker 3>to try to survive nuclear war. And the show is

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<v Speaker 3>a fantasy, of of of of a post a post

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<v Speaker 3>apocalyptic fantasy. How how how would we survive nuclear war?

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<v Speaker 3>What would the society look like? And the remarkable thing

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<v Speaker 3>is that that the society that they construct is pure

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<v Speaker 3>communist And so you have seven Americans, you know, shown

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<v Speaker 3>constructing this communist society during the height of the Cold war.

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<v Speaker 3>The convicts take place in most of the episodes is

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<v Speaker 3>honey instability to return. So, for instance, they toy with

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<v Speaker 3>various things. They decide they don't have a leader, so

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<v Speaker 3>even though they don't need one and and things are

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<v Speaker 3>running fine on the island, they decide to elect a president,

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<v Speaker 3>and naturally, Gilligan ends up winning sort of as the

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<v Speaker 3>independent candidate. And Gilligan in that episode is depicted as

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<v Speaker 3>someone who can't even tie his own shoes, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>he's He's now president. And the social contract in democracy

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<v Speaker 3>is that we have to adhere to the results of

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<v Speaker 3>an election, even if our own survival is at jeopardy.

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<v Speaker 3>So Gilligan they acknowledge and accept as their leader. They could,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, bad decisions could jeopardize their survival. But what

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<v Speaker 3>happens is is that everyone wants a position on his

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<v Speaker 3>getting getting a cabinet position means that they won't have

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<v Speaker 3>to pull their weight anymore. So no, you know, so

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<v Speaker 3>everyone demands a cabinet position. No one wants to work anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>And it shows how how the institutions create the very

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<v Speaker 3>problems that they were designed to solve. They institute a

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<v Speaker 3>justice system, they introduce you know, a and within minutes

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<v Speaker 3>everyone is suing one another. Ivon Eliez was this philosopher

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<v Speaker 2>Fact that people should go back look at our archives

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<v Speaker 2>over again. Hey, do you have any problems getting permission

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another fascinating aspect of your work is how

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<v Speaker 2>How are you going down to the jungle and all

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the very first film I did, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>But it explained a lot. So the doctum I'm working

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<v Speaker 3>it every one of their shows and their death threats

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<v Speaker 3>Weaver and Whoopee Goldberg in it, who have nothing to

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<v Speaker 3>and so Ron Howard had to interview these people, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>as a condition for the movie, as if, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>get more more eyes on the screen than just a

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<v Speaker 2>You know, man, I know exactly what you're talking about, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm dealing with the same thing right now. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get it through these guys heads. But what are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to do? But the first one you said

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<v Speaker 2>was hole in the head. A hole in the head.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell us about this.

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<v Speaker 3>So Hole in the Head was the very first documentary

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<v Speaker 3>I did. And again, you know, there's a Beatles connection there,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was how I learned about what I'm about

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<v Speaker 3>to discuss. It was I'd read this interview in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>ninety eight, I believe it was interview with Paul McCartney

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<v Speaker 3>and Musician magazine. And you know, I've been reading, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it and generally that the interviewers, you know, had just

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<v Speaker 3>by him, and he was talking. McCartney was talking about

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<v Speaker 3>how he was sitting down one night and Hews having

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<v Speaker 3>dinner with John Lennon, and Lennon suggested said to Paul, hey, Paul,

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<v Speaker 3>spec we get holes drilled in our heads. And McCarty's

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<v Speaker 3>like what, and he goes, oh, yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>hear it gets you hide, it expands your consciousness. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>let's let's go get it done. And McCartney's like, you're serious,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's like, I'll tell you what, John, you get

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<v Speaker 3>but but Lenin really wanted to. But I was like curious, like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>of weird ideas. So a few months later I stumbled

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<v Speaker 3>it you know, the possible beneficial effects. Well, all the

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<v Speaker 3>other you know, people that she profiled the book, kouks,

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<v Speaker 3>this one, actually it's a crazy thing, but it might work.

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<v Speaker 3>was this doctor in amsterm Well this sort of goes

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<v Speaker 3>back actually to the Neolithic era and your ancestors, my ancestors,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, a fraction of them were drilling holes in

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<v Speaker 3>ten thousand years with holes drilled in them, and they

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<v Speaker 3>don't know why, the archaeologists, it's a mystery. Now. Now

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<v Speaker 3>for the same medical reasons we'd do it today, and

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<v Speaker 3>there was from warfare. They would club one another in

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<v Speaker 3>could lead to atoma. So you drill a hole to

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<v Speaker 3>relieve the pressure so that there's less pressure on the brain.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, for medical reasons, well, these were pristine skulls.

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<v Speaker 3>many years, there's something called ossification where the rim of

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<v Speaker 3>by looking at the hole by the ossification that the

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<v Speaker 3>cut to the nineteen sixties, this doctor bart Hughes, this

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<v Speaker 3>if you drill a hole in your head, that it

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<v Speaker 3>could lead to this perpetual state of increased brain blood volume.

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<v Speaker 3>That that when every time your heart beats, blood gets

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<v Speaker 3>see your brain pulsating in the image. Well, well R.

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<v Speaker 3>Hughes believes that that that the degree the magnitude by

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<v Speaker 3>And then if you if you cut a hole, it'll

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<v Speaker 3>allow for more space for the supreebroose spinal fluid to

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<v Speaker 3>So he tested his theory by drilling a hole, or

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<v Speaker 3>and and he drilled a hole into his own head

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<v Speaker 3>and he believed it had the desired effects.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask a quick question. Yeah, sorry for

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay, But for for a doctor to drill in

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<v Speaker 3>He was a medical student who was who was rag

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<v Speaker 3>uh you know, he wasn't someone who was He was

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<v Speaker 3>outside the popular sphere, so he was already fringe. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he was a fringe character. But the thing is, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's not legal to do that kind and even today

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<v Speaker 3>that's you know, not considered to be beneficial, where it's

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<v Speaker 3>considered mutilation and and and doctors can't perform it. So

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have any other accomplishments in his medical career

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, yes, there was one thing that was quite remarkable

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<v Speaker 3>which which wasn't known. I mean, it's you know, it

416
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<v Speaker 3>seems logical to assume that perhaps, but he knew and

417
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<v Speaker 3>he identified that the the chemical that would most you know,

418
00:21:58.839 --> 00:22:02.480
<v Speaker 3>be most attractive is in apple acid and uh and

419
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:05.640
<v Speaker 3>and so he developed his own successful form of birth

420
00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:10.559
<v Speaker 3>control that could be distributed throughout the third world. That

421
00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.519
<v Speaker 3>would involve basically a woman placing a small sliver of

422
00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:17.799
<v Speaker 3>apple within you know, herself that would you know, could

423
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<v Speaker 3>stay there for a couple of weeks, and you know,

424
00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.240
<v Speaker 3>and and wouldn't be noticed because you just you know,

425
00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:27.920
<v Speaker 3>you just become acclimated. And because of the greater concentration

426
00:22:28.440 --> 00:22:31.920
<v Speaker 3>within the sliver of apple. Uh, you know, it would

427
00:22:31.920 --> 00:22:36.599
<v Speaker 3>basically be an effective form of birth control. And so

428
00:22:37.400 --> 00:22:40.400
<v Speaker 3>it seems he was you know, I haven't there haven't

429
00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.279
<v Speaker 3>been studies on that approaches birth control, but there have been,

430
00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, studies and researchers. He researched many years later

431
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:50.559
<v Speaker 3>about uh, you know, his his his identification which you know,

432
00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:53.720
<v Speaker 3>completely nothing to do with trepanation. But but fascinating. Nonetheless,

433
00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:56.000
<v Speaker 3>and and you know, kind of kind of remarkable.

434
00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.880
<v Speaker 2>That is utterly fascinating. Has that there been any work

435
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<v Speaker 2>done to create a control method like this.

436
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:03.839
<v Speaker 3>I do not. I do not believe so, I don't.

437
00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't think so. But they're you know, they're canon.

438
00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:09.359
<v Speaker 3>There should it's yeah, I'm kind of surprised that there hasn't.

439
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:12.200
<v Speaker 3>But it's a fairly recent discovery, not by him, you know,

440
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.079
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the world just you know, discovered it

441
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.400
<v Speaker 3>many years after he had written about this. Uh you know,

442
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.079
<v Speaker 3>he'd given me a paper he had written on it,

443
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, but it wasn't it wasn't published in a

444
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:25.559
<v Speaker 3>major medical journal, so it didn't it didn't get acknowledged.

445
00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 3>But uh but you know, give give them, give the

446
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:30.440
<v Speaker 3>man credit where credit is due.

447
00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:32.759
<v Speaker 2>It seems like a natural birth control method, you know,

448
00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:34.880
<v Speaker 2>that there should be explored, you know, probably more healthy

449
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>than the methods we're using now.

450
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah, And and like I said, very easy to

451
00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.400
<v Speaker 3>distribute to to parts of the world where it's it's

452
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:45.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, grave concern, and you know, it's you know,

453
00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.599
<v Speaker 3>fairly non invasive. It's so I.

454
00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Believe he had another birth control method that involved drilling

455
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:57.279
<v Speaker 2>a hole in your penis that was But how great

456
00:23:57.319 --> 00:23:58.880
<v Speaker 2>is it too, man, that you meet a guy like this,

457
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:00.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, like a brilliant mind, you know what I mean?

458
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Exploring is different. Did you become friends with him?

459
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 3>I did, and I didn't. And there were you know,

460
00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.119
<v Speaker 3>there were you know, the people, all the people that

461
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:13.079
<v Speaker 3>met him. We were blown away by his his his

462
00:24:13.119 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 3>intellect and his and his creativity. He was. He was

463
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:21.039
<v Speaker 3>a very creative mind. Unfortunately passed away. But uh, but yeah,

464
00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:24.279
<v Speaker 3>there there's there's one one one of the people who well,

465
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.039
<v Speaker 3>I'll get to I guess his his attestation to his

466
00:24:29.079 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 3>brilliance I think is especially meaningful. But the so after

467
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:37.519
<v Speaker 3>after he drilled a hole it, he wrote about his

468
00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Speaker 3>findings that it attracted the interest of a number of

469
00:24:39.880 --> 00:24:44.359
<v Speaker 3>students from Oxford. Uh. And so they they came to

470
00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:48.400
<v Speaker 3>to the name Joseph Mellon and Amanda Fielding and they

471
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 3>were I think they got formally married. I don't know

472
00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 3>if they were married at that time, but they they

473
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.440
<v Speaker 3>went to to Amstram met with him. They both were like, yeah,

474
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 3>this this seems to make a lot of sense. So

475
00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:04.559
<v Speaker 3>first Joey Mellon made an attempt to drill a hole

476
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.279
<v Speaker 3>in his head using a it's kind of like a

477
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.640
<v Speaker 3>handheld quarkscrew, but it's a hand trap hand so you know,

478
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.480
<v Speaker 3>it's it's got like a piece of wood that you

479
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 3>would grip with your hand and then where the screw

480
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 3>part would be for the quarkscrew instead of being a

481
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.880
<v Speaker 3>quark screw, it's it's like a circular you know, tooth

482
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 3>saw bit so so you push down on your skull

483
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.200
<v Speaker 3>the saw teeth, you know, carve a circle into your head.

484
00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:32.240
<v Speaker 3>But you know, he used a local anesthetic and he

485
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.799
<v Speaker 3>dropped acid and went about, you know, pushing and twisting

486
00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 3>and twisting, and it took three attempts, three to three

487
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:42.839
<v Speaker 3>separate days before he finally got through. But he wrote

488
00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:46.279
<v Speaker 3>a book called Borehole, which which describes in very very

489
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 3>gory detailed process of of of cutting the hole in

490
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 3>his head. And it's it's it's absolutely wonderfully gruesome, you know,

491
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 3>he because because like the the the bone, the skull

492
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of splinters, and he talks about trying

493
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.799
<v Speaker 3>and cracking the little you know, splintered pieces with like

494
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 3>a cocktail for it, you know, to to try to

495
00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:09.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, you get through. Yeah, it's it's, it's, it's

496
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:10.720
<v Speaker 3>it's gruesome.

497
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:12.799
<v Speaker 2>And in your film, there's a couple of people doing

498
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>this and actually they wear goggles that they tape the

499
00:26:15.279 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 2>goggles to their head so that.

500
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.839
<v Speaker 3>The Amanda Fielding made a movie of her own self

501
00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.279
<v Speaker 3>trepanation called Heartbeat in the Brain and it's an art film.

502
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:27.960
<v Speaker 3>And a dentist drill, which is not the right tool

503
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.759
<v Speaker 3>to use to to cut through bone. It's fine for teeth,

504
00:26:31.160 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 3>but but it took six hours for her to cut through.

505
00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:38.359
<v Speaker 3>So so because there's just insane amounts of blood, you know,

506
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>she puts the goggles on to keep the blood from

507
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:42.559
<v Speaker 3>getting in her eyes, but but the blood's going all

508
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 3>over the goggles. And she cuts her hair, you know,

509
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 3>because because you got to do it in front of

510
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 3>a mirror, because you're doing it to yourself. And she

511
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:50.799
<v Speaker 3>takes the dentist roll up and she puts it into

512
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:53.759
<v Speaker 3>her her, you know, forehead or slightly above her forehead,

513
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.720
<v Speaker 3>and drills and drills and drills, and just she's wearing

514
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.160
<v Speaker 3>a white gown and and and just the blood is

515
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 3>just us pouring and pouring and pouring, and you know,

516
00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 3>and she looks kind of alien with her face all

517
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.759
<v Speaker 3>covered with the dried blood and and new fresh blood

518
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:11.119
<v Speaker 3>pouring down over the goggles and and and covered and

519
00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 3>it's it's uh. But but there's there's other parts of

520
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:16.319
<v Speaker 3>the movie which she narrates. And she has this this

521
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.799
<v Speaker 3>pigeon that she named pigeon that it was imprinted on her,

522
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, was she And and so it follows her everywhere,

523
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.039
<v Speaker 3>and and it flew to her on command, and would

524
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 3>fly away on command. And and so when the bird

525
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 3>flies back, it's supposed to be like this restoration of wisdom,

526
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, from when she finally gets through. But she

527
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.160
<v Speaker 3>she showed the film just once at the London I

528
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 3>c A. And Berta Lucci, Bernardo Berta Ucci happened to

529
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 3>be in the audience and and and described it, you know,

530
00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:46.160
<v Speaker 3>said it was it was the greatest movie ever made

531
00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 3>as far as he was concerned. And he was he

532
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 3>was quite sincere when he when he said it. But

533
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 3>there was a reporter there who described all all the

534
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 3>people who were in attendance as or many of them

535
00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 3>as falling off their chairs like overright plumbs, you know,

536
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:03.680
<v Speaker 3>just passing out from the from the gore. But she

537
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 3>she succeeded to get through. And and you know, Felt

538
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:09.440
<v Speaker 3>was very happy with the results, and and and the

539
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.839
<v Speaker 3>results are basically this. It's when when when all of

540
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.240
<v Speaker 3>us are children, you know, our skull gets larger. If

541
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>you look at you know, they are your head versus

542
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.480
<v Speaker 3>a baby or toddler. You know, our heads are much larger.

543
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>And the reason is is is because if what enables

544
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.279
<v Speaker 3>the skull to grow, it consists of of several pieces

545
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 3>of bone called fontanelle. And so these these the fontanelle,

546
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.640
<v Speaker 3>are separate pieces. When you're about the age of eighteen,

547
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the suits, your seal and all that are floating fontanelle

548
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 3>solidified to become one bone called which is the skull.

549
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 3>But before then it's it's you do not have a

550
00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>it's not quite solid, you know, so that it can

551
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:54.039
<v Speaker 3>you know, you so that your head can get larger. Otherwise, yeah,

552
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.400
<v Speaker 3>we'd never get through the birth canal. So, uh, the

553
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 3>the drilling of the whole is supposed to be this

554
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 3>restoration of that state of consciousness that we all had

555
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 3>as as children. You know, where there's there's this decrease

556
00:29:06.759 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 3>in anxiety, there's increase in energy. Uh, there there's more elasticity.

557
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 3>Uh So, so there's there's greater potential for learning and

558
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 3>learning at a much more rapid pace. Uh So, so

559
00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 3>it's uh, you know, and and there's also a different

560
00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 3>type of uh connection. There's there's sort of a you know,

561
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>a natural high of sorts of of being, you know,

562
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 3>an adolescent that that we lose at that moment of

563
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 3>of of adulthood. And and so so they describe but

564
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 3>treporation as a restoration of of of something that we

565
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 3>once had, of of of this of this state of consciousness.

566
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 2>That childlike quality that we have. Right yeah, oh boy, okay,

567
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<v Speaker 1>It's the Opperman Report, and now here is Investigator Inferman.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, welcome back to the Opperaman Report. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 2>private investigator at Opperman. We're here today with Kevin Sooling

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<v Speaker 2>from Spectaclefilms dot com and Kevinsoling dot com. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin is spoket with a c ce v I n

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<v Speaker 2>uh Soling s O l I n G Kevinsoling dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent films, great topics, man most some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>interesting topics you can find. We're talking today about his

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<v Speaker 2>film called A Hole in the Head, about drilling a

635
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>hole in your head. No, it's to get an enlightenment

636
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.319
<v Speaker 2>and wisdom and all kinds of stuff, more energy and

637
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 2>childlike wonder. I guess now, Kevin, this is where the

638
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:52.920
<v Speaker 2>expression comes from. I need that like a hole in

639
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<v Speaker 2>the head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well it develops from that. I mean, so, uh,

641
00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, so there's a little more to the story.

642
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.200
<v Speaker 3>So I mean that's sort of how how how how

643
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:09.679
<v Speaker 3>it's the modern day trepanation movement began and after Amanda

644
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 3>Fielding and Joey Mellon drilled holes in their heads, they

645
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:15.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of told two friends, who told two friends and

646
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 3>so on, and there was a lot of people in

647
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.079
<v Speaker 3>England who ended up drilling holes in their heads. And

648
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 3>then it sort of you know, there was an American

649
00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Peter Halverson, who was one of the first here to

650
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 3>drill you know, maybe the first, you know, to drill

651
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:33.599
<v Speaker 3>a hole in his head, at least for that purpose.

652
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:40.639
<v Speaker 3>And Amanda later got remarried to Lord James need Path

653
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>and he's a professor at Oxford I guess now emeritis.

654
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:50.239
<v Speaker 3>And he taught international relations to Bill Clinton when Bill

655
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Clinton was a student at Oxford, when he was a

656
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Rhodes scholar, So he had Bill Clinton as a as

657
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<v Speaker 3>a student. And it was funny because the National Choir

658
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.239
<v Speaker 3>actually published a story after my film came out. They

659
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 3>they that, how you know, Bill Clinton's professor has a

660
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 3>hole in his head, and it was like, yeah, it

661
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 3>was all true. Everything that was that was there. So

662
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:11.159
<v Speaker 3>it was pretty it was pretty amusing. But he's, uh,

663
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 3>he's the largest, you know, one of the largest landholders

664
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<v Speaker 3>in Scotland and uh and and he was one who

665
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.599
<v Speaker 3>who attested to uh uh you know, to to Bart

666
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.719
<v Speaker 3>Hughes and and actually you know, called him a genius

667
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 3>and uh, you know, like I said, an Oxford professor.

668
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:31.320
<v Speaker 3>So he's he's uh kind of impressive. But so so

669
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<v Speaker 3>it turned into, you know, to kind of a movement,

670
00:35:34.760 --> 00:35:38.840
<v Speaker 3>and finally it resulted in all all along they'd been

671
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 3>wanting research done. And there was a Russian physiologist, Yuri Muskolenko,

672
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 3>who published research evaluating the efficacy of of trepanation and

673
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.480
<v Speaker 3>whether it would lead to increased brain blood volume, and

674
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:02.239
<v Speaker 3>his research seemed to indicate that that it does. I'd

675
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 3>feel more comfortable with more research, but it's it's certainly

676
00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:09.280
<v Speaker 3>a step in the right direction toward affirming their their

677
00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 3>their assertions. New scientists did review the study and gave

678
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<v Speaker 3>it their blessing, thought that the protocol was sound. But

679
00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's that things are always open to

680
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<v Speaker 3>more research. But you know, there there it is indicative

681
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 3>that there there is there is reason to believe that

682
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 3>there might be a benefit. And when John Lennon was

683
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<v Speaker 3>in Amsterdam when he was honeymooning with with Yoko Ona

684
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 3>when he got married, he was still with the Beatles,

685
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:41.360
<v Speaker 3>he called to meet with with Bart Hughes, and he

686
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:44.239
<v Speaker 3>kept telling Bart that he wanted to get you know,

687
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 3>the doctor, that he wanted to get his head drilled,

688
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 3>and and the doctor said, don't, don't do it. And

689
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 3>the reason he told Lenin not to do it is

690
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.679
<v Speaker 3>is that about eight percent or so of the population

691
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 3>have what's called a mytopic skull. And a mytopic skull

692
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<v Speaker 3>is when the sutures on the on the fontinelle don't

693
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.159
<v Speaker 3>seal perfectly and you have a natural hole in your head,

694
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, just there's a you know, slightly off what

695
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<v Speaker 3>you know, when when the when the sutures seal, and

696
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<v Speaker 3>and so there's a there's a small percentage of people

697
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<v Speaker 3>and and Bart Hughes was, you know, was certain that

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<v Speaker 3>John Lennon. In order for him and the other Beatles

699
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 3>to have accomplished all the things they did, they must

700
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:26.840
<v Speaker 3>have natural holes in their heads. So, uh, which is

701
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 3>kind of funny. So so he was he was adamant

702
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<v Speaker 3>that Lenin shoudn't shouldn't drill a hole in his head

703
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 3>because it wouldn't it wouldn't accomplish anything. But the trepidation

704
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.599
<v Speaker 3>was a procedure that that did persist, you know, back

705
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<v Speaker 3>from ten thousand years and and and and the ancient

706
00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.000
<v Speaker 3>Greece Hypocrates wrote about his his procedure and process. I

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00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 3>mean there's there's modern day we know why, you know,

708
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 3>why it was done, we know, you know Apocrates and

709
00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.679
<v Speaker 3>why these other people were you know, we're doing it.

710
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.639
<v Speaker 3>But it had been attempted on, you know, for different

711
00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 3>reasons in the Middle Ages, and there was an effort

712
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:00.440
<v Speaker 3>in the Middle Ages to try you seeing as a

713
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.840
<v Speaker 3>cure for insanity and mental illness is you know, continues

714
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:07.960
<v Speaker 3>to be and has always been an issue for you know,

715
00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:09.800
<v Speaker 3>how how do we deal with this and how do

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00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.360
<v Speaker 3>we treat this? And uh, you know, there there have

717
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 3>been all sorts of on you know, unsavory, unpleasant and

718
00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:19.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, inappropriate efforts to address it, and one was

719
00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:22.119
<v Speaker 3>this curiosity to see, well, if trepor nation is beneficial,

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00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.000
<v Speaker 3>how you know, will it will it help people who

721
00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.639
<v Speaker 3>are you know, who have mental health issues? Uh? And

722
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 3>didn't And so when it when it became associate crazy

723
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:36.199
<v Speaker 3>back then, and then you know, because it wasn't effective

724
00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 3>at treating insanity, and you know, people who were insane,

725
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>we're you know, had holes in their head. The practice,

726
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, fell out of favor and and got that

727
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 3>expression I need need it like a hole in the head.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole, the whole notion that people commonly tell me

729
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.400
<v Speaker 3>is like, oh, people were get to read spirits and stuff,

730
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 3>and that's that's that's really true. I mean it's like

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<v Speaker 3>when if you take antiocidis or something like that, very

732
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.159
<v Speaker 3>you know would say that they do it to clear

733
00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 3>toxins out the body. You know, so you have an

734
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 3>issue of semantics. You could say toxins or evil spirits

735
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:09.840
<v Speaker 3>or maybe you know, years from now referring back then,

736
00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.639
<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, he took vitamin C, you know,

737
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 3>because of evil spirit and the top. So yeah, there,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a reason to infantilize some of the medicine,

739
00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 3>but not not all. I mean, it's there. There is

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<v Speaker 3>a tendency to you know, to to to look down

741
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 3>to see a little touch at in history and you

742
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.400
<v Speaker 3>know see other been some some dumb mistakes, but they

743
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 3>weren't really much dumber than we are today.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more likely they'll point to ce d

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00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 2>oil and it was from evil skirts. But now what

746
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.519
<v Speaker 2>about the people though that were doing this were the

747
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.559
<v Speaker 2>higher class? These was like the ruling class right. Well?

748
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<v Speaker 3>That that that was the study that Bart Hughes had

749
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 3>done another one of his research. So he he had

750
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.119
<v Speaker 3>went gone to a number of cemeteries I think in

751
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:55.039
<v Speaker 3>England that were uh, I feel like from like I

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00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 3>think twelfth century, and he and the professions of the

753
00:39:59.320 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 3>people who were I read were noted in his his

754
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:05.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, the grave sites that he studied. And he

755
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 3>found that there was in the top classes, uh and

756
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:13.440
<v Speaker 3>people with holes in their heads. So it could be

757
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 3>one of two things. Either the holes, you know, I

758
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>mean he liked to conclude that the holes enabled them

759
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<v Speaker 3>to be top you know, the top classes. But but

760
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<v Speaker 3>I I don't know how much social mobility there was

761
00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:25.880
<v Speaker 3>back then. You know, it could be that the people

762
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<v Speaker 3>who were the top classes with vendril holes in their heads,

763
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.639
<v Speaker 3>you know, as some art of you know, some affectation

764
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<v Speaker 3>of being a top class. So we don't, we don't

765
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<v Speaker 3>really know. It's not it's not all that conclusive, I

766
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<v Speaker 3>don't think. But but he he seemed to think that

767
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.719
<v Speaker 3>it that it was the this, you know, the the

768
00:40:44.239 --> 00:40:48.679
<v Speaker 3>greater skill set that they you know, got from drilling

769
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:50.760
<v Speaker 3>a hole in their head, that that resulted in it.

770
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<v Speaker 3>But I'm you know, I think it's it's a hard

771
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<v Speaker 3>conclusion to come to.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what about today like the you know, the art

773
00:40:58.280 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>you know class, you know, the fan class. Now any

774
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.079
<v Speaker 2>indication of people today like a secret society is of

775
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.280
<v Speaker 2>doing this and just not telling the general public about

776
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<v Speaker 2>it because they don't want us to know.

777
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Well, I I don't. I think I think, you know,

778
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<v Speaker 3>if you're getting my personal opinion, I think the biggest,

779
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the greatest problem with society is we have no elite

780
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 3>class anymore. There are no elites, But are are are

781
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Are there people doing this underground? Yes? They're actually there are.

782
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 3>And I know this because I sort of, you know,

783
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.760
<v Speaker 3>I I unwittingly you know, participated in in you know,

784
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 3>allowing my apartment to be used as a safe house,

785
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, for there was a I mean, I wasn't

786
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:39.159
<v Speaker 3>aware that this was going on. I just had, you know,

787
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:41.480
<v Speaker 3>there was a was Peter Halverson, who I was filming,

788
00:41:41.760 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 3>asked if some people could stay. And it wasn't like

789
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 3>I was facilitating any anything really nefarious or anything, but

790
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.559
<v Speaker 3>they were, uh there were there was a doctor in

791
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:57.199
<v Speaker 3>Mexico who was illegally performing trepanations and uh so Peter,

792
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, was was sending them to to Mexico to

793
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:03.000
<v Speaker 3>this doctor, people who wanted it done. You know, he

794
00:42:03.119 --> 00:42:06.320
<v Speaker 3>wasn't you know, you couldn't say that he was facilitating.

795
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.320
<v Speaker 3>You know, he was people who wanted it. He was

796
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 3>allowing them to pursue and giving them information. And there's

797
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 3>nothing illegal about giving information that's protected in her First Amendment.

798
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.159
<v Speaker 3>So uh so, so you know, so, so I was

799
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<v Speaker 3>aware of quite a number of people who were under

800
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<v Speaker 3>the radar, who were who were going off to Mexico

801
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 3>to meet with this doctor. And then the Mexican government

802
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 3>found out about it and threatened to revoke his his license.

803
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<v Speaker 3>So by and large, you know, people tend to do

804
00:42:36.719 --> 00:42:39.199
<v Speaker 3>it to themselves for that reason. But you know, it's

805
00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 3>obviously you know, if if you're going to do it,

806
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 3>which I'm not advocating. If you're going to do it, yes,

807
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 3>it's best to have to have a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have any regrets for for publicizing this procedure?

809
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<v Speaker 3>Do I I'm not publicized. I mean I'm making them.

810
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm documenting, in reporting something that's going on. I'm not

811
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:04.679
<v Speaker 3>I'm not statistic people should do this.

812
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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, I never would have heard about

813
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:12.440
<v Speaker 2>this before you. Okay, you're responsible, and I'm considering. I read,

814
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I watch your film, and I see this, and I'm saying,

815
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<v Speaker 2>but you know, maybe there's something to this, there's something

816
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 2>I might want to try. So you have no qualms

817
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:19.480
<v Speaker 2>about that.

818
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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, people are gonna do what they're gonna do.

819
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<v Speaker 3>I I will go on record and saying that, you know,

820
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<v Speaker 3>I I don't think people should should should do it,

821
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<v Speaker 3>you know, but but there might be benefit to it.

822
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<v Speaker 3>But I you know, there might be a benefit to it.

823
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not saying that you do it.

824
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<v Speaker 2>You're not a doctor, and you can't you can't advise

825
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>people to do this. If you neither one who's adopted.

826
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>You're probably way closer to a doctor than I am.

827
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:49.039
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, any stories about people who have tried this

828
00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:53.079
<v Speaker 2>at home and then there's been disasters anything like that.

829
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:58.039
<v Speaker 3>There was there was the first story you know up

830
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.400
<v Speaker 3>until I guess it was eight years ago and I

831
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.000
<v Speaker 3>think there's only been one one casualty, but there was

832
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.159
<v Speaker 3>the first casualty was about like eight or nine years ago.

833
00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Where or you know, as long as you don't drill

834
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 3>into your your brain and you take precaution because you know,

835
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 3>you you got to you know, make sure, you know

836
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 3>you risk infection. You know you're you're opening your your

837
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, when you drill the skin of you will

838
00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 3>hel over. But yeah, you need to make sure everything

839
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 3>is sterile and adhere to all sorts of proper procedures

840
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.039
<v Speaker 3>as far as echoes, you don't get an infection. And

841
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.000
<v Speaker 3>and you don't want to drill into the brain. If

842
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>you drill into the brain, you will die, right and

843
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, and and so you know, uh, that happened once.

844
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.840
<v Speaker 3>It was someone someone I think in Cardiff, someone in England,

845
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 3>northern England, Uh who who who died as as a result.

846
00:44:46.480 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 3>But that's you know, as far as modern instances, that's

847
00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:56.199
<v Speaker 3>that's been pretty rare fortunately, and sims can happen and

848
00:44:56.280 --> 00:44:57.760
<v Speaker 3>you don't want to risk it and.

849
00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 2>You're showing you and your film some tribe it does this.

850
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah tribe. So that there are there there's

851
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.760
<v Speaker 3>a there's you know, the tribe in Africa, the Kizy

852
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:09.719
<v Speaker 3>that that practices. So so there's different there are different

853
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:11.960
<v Speaker 3>approaches that you can use, you know, at least that

854
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 3>have been used you know, from the earliest days. Which

855
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 3>so so there was a cutting, the cutting method, which

856
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 3>is you know, basically uh, you know, an obsidian blade

857
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 3>that you use and you just keep cutting and cutting

858
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:30.360
<v Speaker 3>and cutting into a square basically into the skull. And

859
00:45:30.440 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 3>that that seems particularly I mean, all the methods are

860
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:37.360
<v Speaker 3>kind of gruesome. Cutting seems pretty horrible. Uh. Another is

861
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 3>is scraping, which is you know kind of like you

862
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:43.679
<v Speaker 3>can imagine you're just scraping layer and layer and layer

863
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.280
<v Speaker 3>of the skull bone until you scrape through the skull

864
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 3>and and form a hole that way. You know. Then

865
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:57.199
<v Speaker 3>there's uh basic chisel you hammer and chisel, and then

866
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 3>there's various forms of drilling. So h yeah, the keysy

867
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 3>they they I think they used the cutting method, and

868
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 3>uh it's you know, it takes a while, it takes hours,

869
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.800
<v Speaker 3>to get through and it's you know, the whole is

870
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, can be quite large. Uh you know that

871
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:21.320
<v Speaker 3>method and they ye know, they do it for various

872
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.400
<v Speaker 3>sort of you know, medical reasons of sorts. You know,

873
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:31.039
<v Speaker 3>persistent headaches. Yeah, I'm not sure you know how how

874
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 3>it helps you know.

875
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:36.639
<v Speaker 2>That or not, But just fascinating. Just is there anything

876
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:38.280
<v Speaker 2>we haven't covered on us because I would like to

877
00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>touch on the urine good health as well. Because you

878
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:41.840
<v Speaker 2>were on a roll with the with the hole in

879
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 2>the head, you went to the urine, you went to

880
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the other end, right, heads and tails.

881
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I went to the other so so hold on

882
00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 3>ahead after holding the head, Yeah, I was. I was

883
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:54.119
<v Speaker 3>curious about auto urine therapy and an auto urine therapy

884
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:57.920
<v Speaker 3>is something that's that's that also dates back to prehistoric times.

885
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:02.039
<v Speaker 3>And the the problem with the film was that there

886
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:04.119
<v Speaker 3>wasn't a whole lot of controversy with with the hole

887
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 3>in the head. There was there was real controversy. There's

888
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 3>a lot of neurosurgeons who were really aggressively opposed to

889
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:12.400
<v Speaker 3>anyone drilling a hole in their head. And this is

890
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:14.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, before any research was done, and I'm sure

891
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 3>they'd still be skeptical of the research that has been

892
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:20.840
<v Speaker 3>done since. But but all your own therapy was was

893
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 3>was a shocker because all the doctors and everyone I

894
00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:28.199
<v Speaker 3>talked to, you know, we're kind of you know, accepting

895
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 3>that this that there are medical benefits that it does

896
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:36.199
<v Speaker 3>seem to boost the immune system. It is urine, is

897
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 3>is sterile. It has trace amounts of ammonia in it,

898
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 3>so it kills off any bacteria and anything that's that's

899
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 3>in your urine. I guess the the the amounts are

900
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 3>small enough that that it doesn't present a health risk

901
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 3>because obviously you don't want to drink ammonia. And Gandhi

902
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:58.559
<v Speaker 3>practice urine therapy and it's fairly common in India. I

903
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 3>mean generally places where were water water sources are scarce. Uh,

904
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:08.039
<v Speaker 3>it's going to be practiced. Uh, you know, for obvious reasons.

905
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:11.800
<v Speaker 3>It's safe and you need to stay hydrated. I know

906
00:48:11.960 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 3>the Catholic Church in Mexico was allowing their nuns that

907
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 3>were in remote regions to promote urine therapy. That was

908
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 3>in the film. Uh. The shocking things that were in

909
00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the film was that there are certain medications. Uh, uricinase

910
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:31.639
<v Speaker 3>and primarole are two medicines that are made from urine.

911
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Urkinase is made from human urine and primarole from horse urine,

912
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 3>and their their heart medicines, and uh uh the way

913
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:43.039
<v Speaker 3>they this was was kind of fun. The way they

914
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:48.960
<v Speaker 3>collect urine for uricinase is from portapatties. So when you

915
00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 3>pee in a your your wort of urine is getting

916
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.840
<v Speaker 3>collected in many situations, many circumstances, and as being being

917
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:03.119
<v Speaker 3>used for for very purposes, including including making medication.

918
00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:07.559
<v Speaker 2>Because people pour their beer down there, they spit in

919
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>there and stuff like that. You know, like the cigarette let's.

920
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Say filtered the filter filter. But yeah, but it's it's

921
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:18.159
<v Speaker 3>I guess the best source for for collection and filtration.

922
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, people people will throw things.

923
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 2>It's port quarter of potties at woodstock, Okay, use those

924
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.679
<v Speaker 2>and people are going out on a trip. Now, what

925
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>about you said, heart medication? What kind? What type of

926
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:30.519
<v Speaker 2>heart medications? Is this?

927
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:31.039
<v Speaker 3>For?

928
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 2>What benefit?

929
00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.320
<v Speaker 3>Uh? For what benefit? You're putting me on the spot.

930
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 3>I never I never investigated beyond Yeah, I'm sure I did,

931
00:49:40.639 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 3>but off the top of my head, I just know

932
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:45.320
<v Speaker 3>that it was a heart heart medicine. But I'm not

933
00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:48.559
<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure, I'll have to do that research also too.

934
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 3>You got me that questure?

935
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, got what about the since this has been throughout history,

936
00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.239
<v Speaker 2>people do this whole time. How come in our culture

937
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 2>here in the United States, it's so uh dis taste?

938
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.280
<v Speaker 2>What's so important? It's disgusting to think of drinking urine?

939
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>How come?

940
00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:09.000
<v Speaker 3>Well? Because I mean, it's it's sort of logical that

941
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:14.719
<v Speaker 3>human waste. But you know, you know, it's it's it's waste,

942
00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 3>it's a waste product.

943
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 2>But someone thought of doing it and it turned out

944
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:18.760
<v Speaker 2>to be good.

945
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, I I I think, but yeah, I

946
00:50:21.840 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 5>think there's a uh, you know, there there's a logical

947
00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 5>reason that we you know, you know, we we certainly

948
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.760
<v Speaker 5>don't consume our feces.

949
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Which is which is reasonable. But it's yeah, I guess

950
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:43.400
<v Speaker 3>some of it is obviously cultural.

951
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 2>And what about in your research there are.

952
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 3>Different cultures where they'll eat all sorts of things, you

953
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 3>know there. I've been to China and there there are

954
00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 3>things that they have no problem eating there that I

955
00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:57.000
<v Speaker 3>am repulsed by. So it's you know, so so some

956
00:50:57.079 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 3>of its cultural.

957
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:00.559
<v Speaker 2>And and in your research into urine, there did any

958
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.519
<v Speaker 2>of it spill over into like the fetish of golden

959
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 2>showers and that kind of thing.

960
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 3>It could have I didn't go there because I, you know,

961
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:11.320
<v Speaker 3>this was this was more of a medical doc. But

962
00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:14.599
<v Speaker 3>you know that's it could have gone there. I could

963
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 3>have investigated that, but I was, you know, I was

964
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:21.800
<v Speaker 3>sticking to to the you know, to the efficacy rather

965
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:24.039
<v Speaker 3>than you know, fetishisms and stuff.

966
00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I know, I only asked I could throw spill over.

967
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess, I guess all right, anything I didn't ask

968
00:51:31.280 --> 00:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>you about the urine urine health that I didn't ask

969
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>you that you want the public to know you're.

970
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 3>You're in good health. Yeah, the name of the movie, Yeah,

971
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:41.440
<v Speaker 3>the name of the movies you're in good health. And uh,

972
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 3>like I said, explores the efficacy. And you do see

973
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 3>some some people drinking their own pea on cam for

974
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:51.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, to to demonstrate their convictions.

975
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:55.519
<v Speaker 2>And back to hold in the head. Where can we

976
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:56.880
<v Speaker 2>find Hole in a Head if we want to watch

977
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:57.280
<v Speaker 2>it right now?

978
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 3>So you can find these movies on Amazon if you

979
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 3>have Amazon Prime and and stuff, and it should be

980
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:09.480
<v Speaker 3>on iTunes and all the different digital platforms. I'm pretty

981
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.519
<v Speaker 3>sure they might be on YouTube as well. I don't

982
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 3>I don't deal with the distribution side of my movies,

983
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 3>but I know that that's where there. I know, Amazon

984
00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 3>and iTunes for sure, and probably YouTube, but those are

985
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 3>the big places. But yeah, any any of the major outlets,

986
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 3>they should be you know, you should be able to

987
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:26.679
<v Speaker 3>track them down.

988
00:52:27.079 --> 00:52:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Okay. At the last time, when we had that failure

989
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>with the audio, you would tell me about mister Kevin

990
00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>and the Cargo cult. But I see here looking on

991
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.599
<v Speaker 2>IMDb that hasn't been released yet.

992
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:39.280
<v Speaker 3>No, No, that's so that's that's like my latest movie.

993
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.519
<v Speaker 3>So I've been I'm in negotiations with distributors on that one,

994
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:44.559
<v Speaker 3>so that one's you know, that one should be out,

995
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, later this year. But that's the one where

996
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.800
<v Speaker 3>I went to visit this tribe in Vanawatu and they

997
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.599
<v Speaker 3>announced that I had fulfilled this divine prophecy that they

998
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:59.239
<v Speaker 3>had and they ended up giving me their island and

999
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.760
<v Speaker 3>uh it was you know, and and basically made me

1000
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 3>into a minor deity on the island.

1001
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Now, when they said you fulfill their prophecy, do you believe.

1002
00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:21.239
<v Speaker 3>That, well, I had so yeah, so uh yeah, I mean,

1003
00:53:22.400 --> 00:53:24.519
<v Speaker 3>but you know, as far as the consequences, I mean,

1004
00:53:24.519 --> 00:53:27.000
<v Speaker 3>they write their own myths, and they control it and

1005
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:30.159
<v Speaker 3>and and you know, they determine things. So it's not like,

1006
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's not like I have any and any

1007
00:53:33.519 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 3>authority over you know, their interpretation of and and and

1008
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:39.800
<v Speaker 3>what that ultimately means. That's you know, all within their

1009
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:45.440
<v Speaker 3>uh yeah, they're there there their contexts and their dialogue.

1010
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 3>But but but you know, it did result there there

1011
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 3>were there were fifteen different factioning tribes on the island,

1012
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 3>and I was directly and you know, responsible for uniting

1013
00:53:58.960 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 3>those those tribes. And I also helped excise the Vietnamese

1014
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:09.000
<v Speaker 3>mafia was you know, had a real presence on the island,

1015
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 3>and I helped basically you know, get them off the

1016
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:19.440
<v Speaker 3>island and and and their their influence and uh you

1017
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 3>know so so I I, you know, I was you know,

1018
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 3>I I did lead to a lot of positive changes

1019
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 3>the the that that tribe ended up becoming a political

1020
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 3>party as well. And while they there's a there's a

1021
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:39.840
<v Speaker 3>key distinction between the tribal chiefdom, you know, and and

1022
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 3>ruling certain things that take place within the tribe. But

1023
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:48.320
<v Speaker 3>then public goods are ruled by the government. So there's

1024
00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:51.000
<v Speaker 3>I guess sort of a private sector and a public sector,

1025
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.719
<v Speaker 3>and they never were involved in the public sector before

1026
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:55.840
<v Speaker 3>that was that was you know, the government, you know,

1027
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 3>would would control what took place on the island as

1028
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 3>it related to the outs side world as a result,

1029
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>related to UH development, UH, infrastructure, things of that nature

1030
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 3>that would directly affect their lives, but but outside of

1031
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 3>their jurisdiction. UH. Once they became a political party with

1032
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, through my involvement, UH, they then were able

1033
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.719
<v Speaker 3>to take control and become elected into you know, roles

1034
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<v Speaker 3>of leadership where they have greater control over their own

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<v Speaker 3>lives and the decisions that affect them.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Selling, I got to tell you, man, you got

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<v Speaker 2>the most fascinating life that I tell you. You're blow

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<v Speaker 2>me away, man, you really do. Kevin Sling dot com

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<v Speaker 2>and the other one is a Spectaclefilms dot com. Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>We're out of time, man, but thank you so much.

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00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Another great episode from Kevin Sewing when this film comes out,

1042
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<v Speaker 2>the one about the prophecy. What's it called again?

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<v Speaker 3>So it's mister Kevin and the Cargo Cult. And Kevin

1044
00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 3>spelled with the sea because like you know, because Maniam

1045
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:56.480
<v Speaker 3>spelled with the sea. So yeah, so it's about it's

1046
00:55:56.480 --> 00:55:59.679
<v Speaker 3>about my time and you know, visiting and the conflicts

1047
00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:01.719
<v Speaker 3>and I mean, you know that the summary I gave

1048
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 3>is really brief, and there's a lot more drama there

1049
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 3>and it's it's it's there's some pretty intense times there

1050
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 3>where where you know, it looked like things you know

1051
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.719
<v Speaker 3>were yeah, that the government, the the you know, had

1052
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.079
<v Speaker 3>threatened me, and it was it was kind of intense.

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin, Thank you so much. Man. Okay, soon as it

1054
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.239
<v Speaker 2>comes out, give me a call anytime you want to

1055
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>come on you give me a call. Recipes to me, man,

1056
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 2>whatever you want. You got an open door. And definitely

1057
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<v Speaker 2>about this thing about the student resistance handbook, we got

1058
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<v Speaker 2>to do a whole show about that, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much, absolutely well, thank you, and I

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00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 3>thanks thanks Again's always such a pleasure being on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it really is. Man, fascinated body. I'd tell you,

1062
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this whole thing is a giant hoax.

1063
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<v Speaker 2>He's just making all this stuff up, you know, it

1064
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.679
<v Speaker 2>could be and I got to look into this. Kevin Soling, Man, God,

1065
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 2>bless you, thank you so much, thank you. But all right, man, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 2>So this guy's fascinating, man, I tell you, I'm like

1067
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<v Speaker 2>the biggest fan of the freaking world Spectaclefilms dot com,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Soling and so what I see ce v I

1069
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<v Speaker 2>N s or l I NNG dot com, The Gillian Manifesto,

1070
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<v Speaker 2>Who's an incredible film? A Hole in Your Head is

1071
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:07.960
<v Speaker 2>an incredible film. I've watched both of these. This is

1072
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 2>great stuff, man, and I always tell us about this out.

1073
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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen the Urine one. I haven't seen the

1074
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 2>other one about the prophecy. But also Ickland Ickland, what

1075
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:18.239
<v Speaker 2>is this thing? The Eckland tribe?

1076
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>He was telling me about it last time till we

1078
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:22.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't get a chance to talk about it this time.

1079
00:57:22.679 --> 00:57:24.880
<v Speaker 2>But just incredible stuff I come out of this guy,

1080
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 2>all these eclectic topics and stuff. Anyway, if you like

1081
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.400
<v Speaker 2>this show, here about Kevin Solan, I don't know how

1082
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.159
<v Speaker 2>you could not like it. This guy's a brilliant guy.

1083
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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, too, he's no diva like some

1084
00:57:35.159 --> 00:57:40.039
<v Speaker 2>of these guests. So we totally destroyed his last taping

1085
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.239
<v Speaker 2>and he just came back. He did a retelling of

1086
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<v Speaker 2>it just beautifully. Thank you so much, Kevin Solman. I

1087
00:57:44.920 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it. But check out Opperamanreport dot com. That's

1088
00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 2>where we have our members section with exclusive content, extra shows,

1089
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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of stuff going on there. So what do

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<v Speaker 2>you call?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

1092
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<v Speaker 2>What do you call?

1093
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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Check out operat report dot com. You can become a

1095
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<v Speaker 2>member if you contact me directly because we're trying to

1096
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<v Speaker 2>raise money for my kids to go to college. So

1097
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<v Speaker 2>if you contact me directly, I'll give you a big discount.

1098
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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you thirteen months for sixty five dollars. You

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<v Speaker 2>contact me at operaman Report at gmail dot com. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're a new listener here at KCAA AMFM in California,

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<v Speaker 2>check out all that we have. The previous show with

1102
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Kevin Soling you could find on my spreaker channel a

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<v Speaker 2>spreaker dot com, s p r e A k eer

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<v Speaker 2>dot com and that's that. You can join that for free.

1105
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<v Speaker 2>There's about fifteen hundred shows on are you sign up

1106
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1107
00:58:35.159 --> 00:58:37.719
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1108
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<v Speaker 2>can there's a chatroom all kinds of stuff like that

1109
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<v Speaker 2>too as well. But you can find us here right

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<v Speaker 2>after House the Mystery, Alan Warren House of Mystery, you

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00:58:44.199 --> 00:58:46.519
<v Speaker 2>can find us right here at ten pm. Alan Warren

1112
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<v Speaker 2>comes on at nine pm. Comes the same kind of

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<v Speaker 2>topics we do, and always excellent content over there. So

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<v Speaker 2>check us out here five nights a week, Monday to Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm KCAA ten pm. Good night. Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Soling Prophet. Uh, what's this thing called here?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Soul Doctor, mister Kevin and the Cargo Cult. I

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<v Speaker 2>love this guy, man, This guy's that great stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Kevin Soling