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<v Speaker 1>Nowadays, it's pretty much common knowledge that chatting online to

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<v Speaker 1>strangers around the world has its risks. Who are these

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<v Speaker 1>people on the other side of the internet, Are they

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<v Speaker 1>who they say they are? And do they have access

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<v Speaker 1>to our information? These ideas of caution have come much

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<v Speaker 1>more in the front of our minds when online in

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<v Speaker 1>only the past ten years, and a big part of

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<v Speaker 1>it is because of today's case. Today we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the young teen girl named Amanda Todd who is cyber

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<v Speaker 1>bullied so severely it shook the world. I'm Ben, I'm Nicole,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 2>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcasts and material intended for a mature audience

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<v Speaker 1>listener discretion. Oh shit, you just spilled your eggnog all

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<v Speaker 1>over yourself, smooth.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. And here I thought you were being allowed,

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<v Speaker 2>but apparently I'm being wow welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah if okay, that was a fumble of a start.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole just built her rummenagnog over herself.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's a shitty day. Not a shitty day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's never a good day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a fine day. But I literally have eggnog

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<v Speaker 2>all over myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you say that while you were like rubbing

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<v Speaker 1>your chest.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because it just flowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently that's like a seductive thing, just bathing in eggnog.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, wow, it might work for some people.

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<v Speaker 1>I could picture it. I mean, you are my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>so rightfully?

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<v Speaker 2>So goodness gracious?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So, how's it going everyone? That we're coming on

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<v Speaker 1>to the holiday season?

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<v Speaker 2>It is the holiday season and a half right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope everyone's all ready for it. And whatever holiday

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<v Speaker 1>you do or do not celebrate, hope, I just wish

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<v Speaker 1>you a great holiday season. Let's say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wish you time off and rest. Oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I wish.

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<v Speaker 1>Time off, rest and happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>That is my ultimate wish right now, Just time off

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<v Speaker 2>and rest. Eh, yeah and happiness. I like that too.

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<v Speaker 1>Good call. Well, I can tell you that these two

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<v Speaker 1>individuals brought us a little bit of happiness because they

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<v Speaker 1>signed up for Patreons this last week. So Brooke Dunbar

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<v Speaker 1>and Beth both recently signed up to support us over

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<v Speaker 1>on Patreon. Thank you, and so if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>join us too, links in the description down below. If

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<v Speaker 1>not totally cool, there is zero pressure. Do not join

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't want to. We appreciate you just being

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<v Speaker 1>here just the same. Yeah, we got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of news for you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we dropped a YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 1>We did.

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<v Speaker 2>We did.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to go on a little bit an

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<v Speaker 1>explanation of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we watched the Casey Anthony Are the Truth Lies

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<v Speaker 2>documentary We're the Truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Lies Lies, emphasis on lies.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was on Peacock TV, and so we watched

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<v Speaker 2>it and we basically put on a YouTube video.

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<v Speaker 1>To review it our thoughts. However, we didn't watch it

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<v Speaker 1>on Peacock TV. We loudly and proudly pirated that shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're very proud of that.

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<v Speaker 1>So there is no ad revenue or any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>analytics going towards It's good. We do our full breakdown

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Why we think you should not watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you do watch it, maybe pirated as well, but

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think you should. We don't think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>good use of your time. It's a very biased documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even call it a documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are sharing our opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so yes. So link is in the description.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go over and check out our YouTube and

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<v Speaker 1>check that out if you'd like that being said. Should

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<v Speaker 1>we get onto today's episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so, though, I think this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a heavy episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. It's yeah, warning on this one. It

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<v Speaker 1>does deal with with children, young adults, I shall say,

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<v Speaker 1>very sensitive topics and heavy matters.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, this shit just makes me fume. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I think it's to start off, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 1>difficult for us to imagine that most people, and most

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<v Speaker 1>parents for that matter, were so casual about letting their

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<v Speaker 1>their children talk to random strangers online, whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>chat rooms, you know, on early social media sites and

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of stuff. I mean, especially because it really

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't that long ago. Most of us think like so

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<v Speaker 1>differently now, even just nowadays, but we have to remember

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<v Speaker 1>that nothing, nothing like the Internet or the chat rooms

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<v Speaker 1>really ever existed before. So even as fresh as this

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<v Speaker 1>Internet is currently while you're listening to this, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>whole new concept for the world. Yeah, yep, So even nowadays,

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<v Speaker 1>people don't know what they're getting into, but even more

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<v Speaker 1>so ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they very much so know. We know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more now, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Even still, it's just the tip of the iceberg.

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<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>So the harsh reality of the Internet is almost nothing

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<v Speaker 1>is sacred. Almost nothing is safe and that is something

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<v Speaker 1>that Amanda Todd and her family found out in some

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<v Speaker 1>of the harshest ways possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a very scary place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I needless to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we've mentioned this before, but honestly, sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it was just easier not having it. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it is easier having it, but it's not easier having it.

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<v Speaker 1>Flip side of the coin, right, Yan and Yang. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's good and evil. One cannot exist without the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Light and dark, right yep. So yeah, today we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Amanda Todd. Now a Manda Todd was born in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety six and in twenty twelve, when a story

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<v Speaker 1>really came to light, she would be fifteen years old.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a Canadian girl from Port Coquitlam for British Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>hailing from our hometown province.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how to say Port Coquitlam.

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<v Speaker 1>We do. We listened to other podcasts in the past

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<v Speaker 1>where they talk about Pork Coquitlam and other places around

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<v Speaker 1>British Columbia and they slaughter it right rightfully. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but we've been around. We've even been to Pork Coquitlam.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, we know how to pronounce the cities in

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<v Speaker 2>our province.

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<v Speaker 1>We do. That's about it. Anything beyond that, we're screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyways, her parents had, unfortunately, like many others before her, divorced.

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<v Speaker 1>They divorced a few years back, and it was about

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<v Speaker 1>when she was about ten years old. She had decided

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<v Speaker 1>So things weren't that strained between the households as her

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<v Speaker 1>parents managed to create a good co parenting relationship and

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda still was in regular contact with her mother even

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<v Speaker 1>though staying with her father. That's good, but Amanda was

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<v Speaker 1>living with her father, and her father wanted Amanda to

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<v Speaker 1>follow her dreams now. Amanda was a huge Justice Bieber

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<v Speaker 1>fan and she wanted to be just like him. She

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<v Speaker 1>imagined herself standing in front of on center stage with

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<v Speaker 1>a big crowd in front of her of people cheering

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<v Speaker 1>as she sang. She would spend a lot of her

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<v Speaker 1>time in her bedroom practicing and singing and recording videos

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<v Speaker 1>of herself doing so. She posted these videos on social

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<v Speaker 1>media sites, hoping to be picked up and become an

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<v Speaker 1>overnight sensation, just like Justin Bieber who. Fun fact, if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't know God his start on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's Canadian as well.

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<v Speaker 1>He is Canadian as well. Yeah, so she did all

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<v Speaker 1>this by means of a webcam, a webcam that her

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<v Speaker 1>father had bought her. Now, this webcam was a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of contention. It was a bit of an issue between

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<v Speaker 1>her parents. Her mom said that there was no reason

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<v Speaker 1>that a kid would need a webcam, and by this

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<v Speaker 1>time she was about twelve years old. Okay, but her father,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, wanted her to follow her dreams, so

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<v Speaker 1>he decided he was going to get her one.

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<v Speaker 2>See I kind of agree with the mom there, But

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<v Speaker 2>then the dad's reasoning is makes so much sense too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he's giving her an opportunity. She wants to be

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<v Speaker 2>the next Justin Bieber and he probably believes that she

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<v Speaker 2>can be that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one hundred percent. So there again the flip side

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<v Speaker 1>of the coin. One cannot exist without the other. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>these are two very opposite opinions. Neither one is right

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<v Speaker 1>and neither one is wrong. They both just come with

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<v Speaker 1>different results.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so, though he did his best to monitor her

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<v Speaker 1>online activities to ensure she was being responsible, he couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>keep up with everything. Right now, The internet, though, is

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<v Speaker 1>always isn't always the kindest place you can have amazing talent,

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<v Speaker 1>and even still you can find negative reviews and feedback

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<v Speaker 1>from what we call nowadays the trolls. Right now, Amanda's

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<v Speaker 1>voice was sorry. Her videos were no exception. Even though

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<v Speaker 1>she did have a rather nice singing voice, though still

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<v Speaker 1>not perfect. She got mixed reception and sometimes the comment

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<v Speaker 1>section will get a little too much for her and

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<v Speaker 1>she would end up taking some of the videos down.

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<v Speaker 1>That's brutal, it is, especially when you're like chasing your

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<v Speaker 1>dream like that and people are just gonna knock you

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<v Speaker 1>to the point where you back off, Like who the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck cares?

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<v Speaker 2>Because honestly, if you didn't like her video, like, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not forced to being watch to watch it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no one asked for your fucking opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, you're literally not forced. You can just move

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<v Speaker 2>on to the next video that you like and that's that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's nothing wrong with constructive criticism. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with you know, if you don't have anything nice

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<v Speaker 1>to say, don't say anything at all. Like, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of other options other than being a dick. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't have to be an asshole because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can say things, as you said constructive careers, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can say things kindly, oh yeah, without being a dick.

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<v Speaker 2>But then most times people are there's just they're just

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<v Speaker 2>being dicks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and you can say like like, I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to say something a little constructive about singing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know shit about singing, and I'm not basing this

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<v Speaker 1>off a man todd skills. Just for the record, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just completely random pulling this out of the air. So

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<v Speaker 1>you could say something after watching someone's singing videos where

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<v Speaker 1>you can see they need to improve on something, but

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<v Speaker 1>you could be like, oh my god, that was such

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<v Speaker 1>an awesome job. I love your rendition of this song.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see you're still working on the high notes there,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're really getting on it. Good job, keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>What's wrong with that sort of shit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's literally giving them advice of how they can

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<v Speaker 2>potentially move forward and closer to their dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're giving them your opinion. You're being positive, You're

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<v Speaker 1>helping them. That's how you That's how you can be

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<v Speaker 1>positive and make an impact on someone's life and not

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<v Speaker 2>Canoe, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sure she was getting some of that too though,

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<v Speaker 1>mind you, but occasionally that negativity would hit home. And

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<v Speaker 1>of all this was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's young. That's hard. It's hard to swallow

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<v Speaker 2>at any age. But when you're a kid, I think

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it definitely gets you even more, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you do start getting these comments from people who are older. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so negatively, negativity can have a huge impact on a person,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone someone young like Commanda, and Amanda was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>even dealing with these sort of negative comments. Her parents

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't really understand chat rooms or comment sections. But

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<v Speaker 1>her when they could, right and mind you, in twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve, but when this is no one really understand

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<v Speaker 1>like parents didn't understood stand chat rooms. See.

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<v Speaker 2>The nice thing now, I guess is a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Right well, a lot of parents nowadays were in those

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<v Speaker 2>At this time exactly so, And then back then, like

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<v Speaker 2>and like the kids knew.

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<v Speaker 1>It more so right, there was nothing to base their

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<v Speaker 1>from their kids. So it's a whole new world for

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<v Speaker 1>everyone and everyone's trying to navigate. So as much as

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<v Speaker 1>their parents did try and do the right thing, they

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<v Speaker 1>had no idea on the sort of dangers that Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>While online, she would eventually come across a user, a

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<v Speaker 1>He said Amanda had an amazing voice and he was

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<v Speaker 1>a fan of hers. A fanky exactly what Amanda was

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<v Speaker 1>striving for. Right, people do appreciate her art and her voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and who could help listen to her music and she

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<v Speaker 1>can grow a career. Tyler told her she was also

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<v Speaker 1>very beautiful. He said she was special and talented. But

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<v Speaker 1>as things started to take a turn because Tyler requested

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda take her top off, oh gosh. Now. She was

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<v Speaker 1>on a streaming website called blog tv at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and reportedly there was a procimately two hundred people watching

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a significo. Yes it is, so there's this

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<v Speaker 1>many people watching her. When Tyler made the request in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chat, oh please say, she just like didn't I see? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I know a little bit about the story, but not

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<v Speaker 2>the fine details. So what did she do?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Amanda wasn't wasn't up for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>But eventually she took some convincing and after a long

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<v Speaker 1>stream of compliments and kind words from Tyler's and others

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<v Speaker 1>in the chat, she agreed and she flashed her chest

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<v Speaker 1>on the webcam mounted on her computer monitor. Remember at

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<v Speaker 1>this time, she's probably about twelve years old.

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<v Speaker 2>Like bear chest or like chest and a bra or.

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<v Speaker 1>What no bear chest? Yes? Okay, And in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that, in that instance, in that instant, man

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<v Speaker 1>and his life would be changed forever and a dark

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<v Speaker 1>downward spiral would begin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, so like one little mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically yeah. The chat slowly died out, and Amanda moved

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<v Speaker 1>on with her life, probably forgetting about the whole thing

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<v Speaker 1>that had ever even happened. But the young man on

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<v Speaker 1>a few mementos to remember. The whole experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy he screenshotted it, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, at this time, like I said, Amanda was

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<v Speaker 1>only around about twelve years old. And Tyler began messaging

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<v Speaker 1>her about a year later.

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<v Speaker 2>A year fucking later, yeah, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Only this time the messages weren't so smooth. He showed

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda that he had taken pictures of her from that

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<v Speaker 1>moment when she had flashed her chest a year prior.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Began to threaten to send the photo to everyone. She

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<v Speaker 1>knew what he was requesting was she had to do

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<v Speaker 1>three fifteen minute private shows for him on webcam.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>If he did this. Oh, if she did this, he

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<v Speaker 1>would not send the photo out and he would leave

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<v Speaker 1>her alone forever.

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<v Speaker 2>This guy is a mofo. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>But if she didn't do this, he would follow through

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<v Speaker 1>with his threat and send the photo out.

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<v Speaker 2>See. This is just so terrible. It's so terrible because

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<v Speaker 2>as an adult, like say, so, I'm like I'm thirty four,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm quite an adult if something like that was happening,

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<v Speaker 2>like you would just be like go fuck yourself, like

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<v Speaker 2>who the fuckres kind of thing. But then this thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>year old in her mind and she's thinking about what

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<v Speaker 2>all her friends and like her peers and then her parents, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>are gonna think like she. Honestly, at that age, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you would think that there's there's nowhere to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even at this age, think of it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>We all have professions, we have our job, we have

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<v Speaker 1>our friends, we have our families, we have colleagues, a reputation, reputation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine this individual is holding this photo above you and says,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll send it to your boss, your coworkers, the people

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<v Speaker 1>you go to the gym with, your family, your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>when you go see them on Christmas, They'll all have

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<v Speaker 1>this image in their mind. What would you do?

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<v Speaker 2>But see now, I think it'd be more acceptable in

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<v Speaker 2>the sense now days ago, I don't think would super care.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you could just say your story like well

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<v Speaker 2>I had to, this is what the alternative was, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they'd be like, yeah, let's see that photo, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that's way better than you having to give this freaking

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<v Speaker 2>nasty motherfucker private show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fair, that's totally fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I think anyone nowadays would choose that they would just

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<v Speaker 2>see that photo over you doing the other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I agree, But there's still repercussions that come with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, your boss sees that image. What are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to think of you? Now? What sort of reputation

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<v Speaker 1>will you get that raise? What will the people in

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<v Speaker 1>the lunch youon be saying when you're not there? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all those questions in the back of your mind.

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<v Speaker 2>They talk your back because.

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<v Speaker 1>There is that perception that's going to come along with it. Now. Amanda,

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<v Speaker 1>rightfully so was terrified and didn't know what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>but she knew she wasn't about to provide these requests

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<v Speaker 1>of private shows, and she refused. Okay, this tyler was

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<v Speaker 1>furious and immediately went into action. He wasn't bluffing. He

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<v Speaker 1>knew her personal information and he sent the image to

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<v Speaker 1>everyone she knew, family, friends, and he even gained access

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<v Speaker 1>to her friends list on Facebook, knew what school she

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<v Speaker 1>went to, and sent that image to every single person

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<v Speaker 1>he could at her school.

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<v Speaker 2>What a creepy pay Yes, this guy's a fucking monster.

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<v Speaker 1>The picture ended up being passed back and forth between

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<v Speaker 1>so many individuals and so quickly. It was so widespread

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<v Speaker 1>and distributed online that police showed up at Amanda's home

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<v Speaker 1>at four am to warn her father. What was going

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<v Speaker 1>on and make sure that he was aware of what

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter was doing online. But unfortunately that's about all

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<v Speaker 1>the police did.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if this happened today, I think the situation

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<v Speaker 1>would have been handled totally different, especially by the adults.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, I also think that most children and

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<v Speaker 1>teens would be much more sympathetic towards Amanda's situation. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not totally. There are always people, you know, taking things

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<v Speaker 1>too far and harassing others, but I think most people

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<v Speaker 1>would understand that Amanda was a victim, just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like what you were just talking about. But again, this

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<v Speaker 1>was ten years ago, in twenty twelve, it was As

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<v Speaker 1>far as the Internet is concerned, this is basically a lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago because they're basically just warn't warning the father what

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing. They're not trying to look for this little

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<v Speaker 2>what is his name?

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<v Speaker 1>Even his name Tyler bou was the website name he

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<v Speaker 1>was going.

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<v Speaker 2>By, not even trying to find him to correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So to put it in perspective, if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>predator at a playground and your child is the target

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<v Speaker 1>of this, you tell the child don't go to the

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<v Speaker 1>playground anymore, stay away from there, right, But you should

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<v Speaker 1>probably be searching for the predator, wouldn't you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, because I'm thinking this person is probably a

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's all that was done, was, hey, stay

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<v Speaker 1>off the internet, stay away. That's it. Not enough, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And to be fair though, to be fair, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like her parents could do much other than that, and

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<v Speaker 1>other than request police action. But the police unfortunately were

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<v Speaker 1>very little involved me I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>To them, I guess too. This is a new thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe there isn't really necessarily consequences at this time for

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean, police weren't really interested in chasing up

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<v Speaker 1>a person who'd done this either. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever, it's an online thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't have the means either. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>the means finding him.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the knowledge. Just like it was a

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<v Speaker 1>new new world for Amanda and her parents to explore.

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<v Speaker 2>Same with authorities, like nowadays, they'd find the little geek

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<v Speaker 2>right away.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, they have processes and procedures and things that

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<v Speaker 1>they follow and do and connections and people to talk to.

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<v Speaker 1>Back then, not so much. Not that it's an excuse

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<v Speaker 1>for authorities to sit back and twiddle their thumbs. Mind

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<v Speaker 1>you no, but it's a lot easier today now. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>what they did, like I said, just recommend you stay

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<v Speaker 1>away from the sites and left her and her family

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<v Speaker 1>to get on with their own way. Now, Amanda, rightfully so,

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<v Speaker 1>was a total wreck. Everyone she knew was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the picture, and most of them didn't have anything nice

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<v Speaker 1>to say about her either. They made fun of Amanda,

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<v Speaker 1>They made fun of her body, and they thought that

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<v Speaker 1>it was her own fault for doing this. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>ordeal took a huge toll on this young girl's mental

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<v Speaker 1>health and self esteem. There wasn't really anything in place,

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<v Speaker 1>like a program or support group where she could turn,

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<v Speaker 1>and Amanda had no idea who to turn to for

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<v Speaker 1>help even if she had wanted to, you know, like, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Just felt so alone.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, this is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, though she was alone and terrified, on the surface,

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<v Speaker 1>she kept her chin held high and pretended like she

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<v Speaker 1>was okay. Even still, things were not improving, So her

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<v Speaker 1>parents decided the best thing to do was pull her

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<v Speaker 1>out of this school and enroll her in a new one.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely a good call. I got to take a sip

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<v Speaker 1>here on my throat's getting scratchy. Hold on, you're.

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00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Always having that issue these past few podcasts.

429
00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I think it's like the dry winter

430
00:22:04.119 --> 00:22:04.920
<v Speaker 1>air that's getting me.

431
00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:07.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that could be actually.

432
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Getting old in the winter air. It's hurting my joints

433
00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in my throats. Oh my god, I'm an old man.

434
00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:16.440
<v Speaker 1>It's going to be me in five years. I guarantee it.

435
00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:23.559
<v Speaker 1>It's you. Now tooche you're not wrong. So anyways, they

436
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:25.640
<v Speaker 1>pulled her out of the school and they enrolled her

437
00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in a new one, hoping that it would help her

438
00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:30.119
<v Speaker 1>meet new people who hadn't seen this picture and kind

439
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:31.200
<v Speaker 1>of start fresh.

440
00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>But a new school in the same town. I'm assuming I.

441
00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Didn't look up exactly which new school. I'm pretty sure

442
00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.880
<v Speaker 1>it was a new school in the same town, because.

443
00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.279
<v Speaker 2>You'd almost have to move her to another city. I

444
00:22:43.319 --> 00:22:44.680
<v Speaker 2>feel like fair enough.

445
00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now, I do know a little bit of foreshadowing,

446
00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I guess by saying this, But I do know she

447
00:22:50.880 --> 00:22:52.759
<v Speaker 1>does move to another city later.

448
00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:55.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, okay, So.

449
00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:57.359
<v Speaker 1>This did work, and Amanda took a break from the

450
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.359
<v Speaker 1>internet as well. She really had a possibility for a

451
00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.559
<v Speaker 1>fresh start. People didn't know who she was. Even though

452
00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.720
<v Speaker 1>her picture was still out there. She wasn't going on

453
00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 1>places where she could read these messages about the image

454
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and people were posting about it, so she stayed away

455
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:15.319
<v Speaker 1>from that. She was at her new school. Things were

456
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:19.440
<v Speaker 1>looking up, but Amanda's old life would soon catch up

457
00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:21.880
<v Speaker 1>with her, and the new life that Amanda was building

458
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:25.440
<v Speaker 1>for herself came crashing down around her. After about a

459
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.519
<v Speaker 1>year of things being fine, Amanda's parents led her back

460
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.519
<v Speaker 1>on the internet with the condition that she only spent

461
00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.559
<v Speaker 1>a couple hours a day on it. I mean, in retrospect,

462
00:23:33.599 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that's a huge turning point in the story, and it

463
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:40.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't good. It takes what like thirty seconds a minute

464
00:23:40.400 --> 00:23:43.400
<v Speaker 1>to read a comment to find.

465
00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:46.279
<v Speaker 2>One of these negative things she found negative stuff.

466
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and Amanda's on there for a couple hours a day,

467
00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.319
<v Speaker 1>so that that's a lot of time to dig into

468
00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.119
<v Speaker 1>this information again, right, So, oh, it's.

469
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Too bad that she felt like she needed to go

470
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.640
<v Speaker 2>do that. I mean, I can understand, yeah, and not

471
00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.079
<v Speaker 2>just that, but things got worse when Amanda came across

472
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:08.839
<v Speaker 2>a Facebook profile.

473
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 1>And the profile picture was of her topless.

474
00:24:14.279 --> 00:24:19.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow, seriously, yes, probably by that freaking I don't even

475
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:21.079
<v Speaker 2>know his name again, But that's fine. I'm fine not

476
00:24:21.160 --> 00:24:22.480
<v Speaker 2>remembering his shitty name.

477
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 1>She was horrified when she ran across this. Yeah, and

478
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.680
<v Speaker 1>it got even worse when whoever it was who created

479
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 1>this account started adding all of the people in her

480
00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 1>new school time her friends.

481
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Like, gosh, what the actual fuck? Yep, Like this is

482
00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 2>like a year later. Yep, what is the point of this.

483
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:43.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm freaking angry.

484
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:44.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you should be.

485
00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:47.599
<v Speaker 2>This is brutal. Does this person not have anything better

486
00:24:47.640 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to do with their freaking time?

487
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>Apparently not? Okay, And as a result of that, the

488
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.279
<v Speaker 1>exact same thing happened again, and Amanda was facing all

489
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:00.519
<v Speaker 1>the horrible comments online and all all the kids who

490
00:25:00.519 --> 00:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>had once been her friend turning on her all over again.

491
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Wow. I'm sorry, but that's unbelievable. That's unbelievable.

492
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So, with her past experience still fresh in her mind

493
00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>and seeing the writing on the wall, her and her

494
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.559
<v Speaker 1>parents decided that they weren't going to wait around for

495
00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the situation to get any worse, and they moved her

496
00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to a different school again. Now, Amanda had a much

497
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.279
<v Speaker 1>harder time settling in and making friends this time around,

498
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.640
<v Speaker 1>especially because she had the past two experiences fresh in

499
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the back of her mind and she was on edge

500
00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that something was going to happen at any moment. But online,

501
00:25:34.079 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>someone she already knew reached out to her, hoping to

502
00:25:36.880 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 1>get in touch and show his support. He was actually

503
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>a student from Amanda's old school, and he told her

504
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>that he was so sorry for everything that was happening

505
00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:48.000
<v Speaker 1>to her, and that he thought she was one of

506
00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 1>the most beautiful girls he had ever seen.

507
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:52.519
<v Speaker 2>Please tell me that this is legit.

508
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that's the thing. She was questioning this right

509
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.599
<v Speaker 1>off the get go. Was this another trick or was

510
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 1>this kid exactly who he said he was? Well, he was,

511
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.880
<v Speaker 1>luckily enough, exactly who he said he was. He was

512
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 1>someone that she previously knew. But that didn't really make

513
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:11.400
<v Speaker 1>things that he said any less confusing, because Amanda knew

514
00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 1>that he had a girlfriend and they were still going

515
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:19.240
<v Speaker 1>out and he was being quite flirtatious with Amanda. Okay, now,

516
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.440
<v Speaker 1>when Amanda confronted him about that, he said that it

517
00:26:21.519 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 1>was all true and that he had a girlfriend, but

518
00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.920
<v Speaker 1>they were going on a break up and he kind

519
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of was hoping that he can get together with Amanda.

520
00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>So the whole thing about him already having a girlfriend,

521
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's quite a big, big red flag right

522
00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:40.440
<v Speaker 1>then and there. But Amanda's a younger teenager at this point.

523
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>She wasn't really exactly used to having nice things said

524
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.920
<v Speaker 1>about her either, especially having any sort of attention positive

525
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:47.440
<v Speaker 1>at all.

526
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, because this is exactly what she needs

527
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in someone who's kind of sticking.

528
00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Out for her in kind and nice.

529
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but not if he sucks as well.

530
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's the thing. He's got some red flags,

531
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:03.279
<v Speaker 1>but he's being super nice, right.

532
00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

533
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:09.079
<v Speaker 1>So there was one day when this boy's girlfriend was

534
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.079
<v Speaker 1>on a holiday. She agreed to go over to his house,

535
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 1>and the two young teenagers did what young teenagers would

536
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>do when they have a house together for themselves.

537
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I feel like this is not going

538
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>to end well.

539
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, things quickly derailed when the girlfriend came back from

540
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:30.519
<v Speaker 1>holiday and found out that her boyfriend had cheated on

541
00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>her with Amanda. Okay, now, instead of getting angry with

542
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.960
<v Speaker 1>her boyfriend, the girlfriend and about fifteen other students from

543
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's old school ganged up on Amanda to beat her up.

544
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>Wow, and literally, he was the one that was lying

545
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:53.039
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit. Yep, because she thought they were on

546
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:53.519
<v Speaker 2>a break.

547
00:27:53.839 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

548
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh that is okay, just teenagers. This is too much sometimes,

549
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:02.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't miss that stage at all.

550
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So we're going to go into a little bit

551
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>more detail on that a little bit later in Amanda's

552
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>own words. For now, I'm just going to end it

553
00:28:10.920 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 1>on that. But after being beat up by these girls,

554
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Amanda ended up in a ditch and having to wait

555
00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>until her father would come and pick her up. Oh

556
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:27.599
<v Speaker 1>and then Amanda more than understandably hit rock bottom. She

557
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 1>had so much emotion, so much going on, she didn't

558
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.119
<v Speaker 1>know what to do. She thought she didn't belong in

559
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:38.440
<v Speaker 1>this world. And when she got home, Amanda did the unthinkable.

560
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 1>She grabbed a bottle of bleach and tried to take

561
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 1>her own life and started drinking.

562
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Oh, I don't even know what to say.

563
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Like to just feel like you have to.

564
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 1>Do that is so sad, to feel like you're pushed

565
00:28:55.319 --> 00:28:55.920
<v Speaker 1>to that point.

566
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah.

567
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Now, thankfully she was rushed to the hospital where her

568
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>stomach was pumped and she was saved, but the mental

569
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:09.799
<v Speaker 1>scars were still so very much there, not knowing what

570
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.880
<v Speaker 1>else to do, her parents moved her to a new

571
00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>city in twenty twelve, hoping that this would finally be

572
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>the fresh start that Amanda needed. But another old face

573
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>popped up again in her social circles, only he wasn't

574
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the easy to spot from a far kind of face

575
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 1>this time around. In a new school and at the

576
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>new beginning of her life, Amanda made a new friend

577
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>online who claimed that he'd be moving to Amanda's school

578
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:37.839
<v Speaker 1>in the new term. The two chatted online for a while,

579
00:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>but this new student was using his time online to

580
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.200
<v Speaker 1>do something else entirely and had nothing to do with

581
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 1>getting to know some of the new students in the

582
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 1>school that he'd be attending. It was a fake profile

583
00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 1>belonging to the same individual who had spread the pictures

584
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>of Amanda before that. Tyler, Boo, are you serious?

585
00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>This guy won't let her just move on and live

586
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:00.720
<v Speaker 2>her life. What is his freaking deal?

587
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:01.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

588
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Do we get to find out who the fuck this

589
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:04.519
<v Speaker 2>person is?

590
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna have to keep listening.

591
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Okay, you're good, Yeah, but I'm just not

592
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>enjoying this. Actually, it's making me quite mad.

593
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>This is a very aggravating and angry case.

594
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because it's just not it's unnecessary. It's so unnecessary.

595
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And that is the problem with this case. Everything

596
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>about it is so unnecessary, and Amanda suffered incredible amounts

597
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>because of it. Where was I?

598
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:35.920
<v Speaker 2>And sorry, I'm just gonna say one more thing while

599
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 2>you figure out your spot. Her poor parents. I feel

600
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.039
<v Speaker 2>like they're probably grasping at straws, trying to do everything

601
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:45.920
<v Speaker 2>thing they can to give her like the childhood that

602
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:51.079
<v Speaker 2>she should have and deserves, and it's just like they

603
00:30:51.160 --> 00:30:53.519
<v Speaker 2>just can't. They're not winning. It's ugh.

604
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this was obviously that Tyler bou guy. And

605
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't, like a I said, trying to meet new

606
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>people in the school he was going to be attending.

607
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.680
<v Speaker 1>What he was actually doing was worming his way into

608
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Amanda's social circles on social media. When he had enough

609
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:13.960
<v Speaker 1>contact information for all her new friends, fellow students, teachers,

610
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>he did an all too familiar picture spreading thing all

611
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 1>over again. Amanda found herself right back where she started,

612
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and now she and her family knew there was no

613
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>getting away from her internet stalker and the pictures he

614
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 1>had taken of her. Amanda resorted to self harm to

615
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>try and ease the pain, and she ended up in

616
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>frequent treatment programs in mental health hospitals and on steady

617
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:47.799
<v Speaker 1>stream of antidepressants. With nowhere to turn in the real world,

618
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Amanda decided she was going to speak about her pain

619
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 1>in the only way she knew. On September seventh, twenty twelve,

620
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:02.720
<v Speaker 1>she uploaded a video to YouTube titled My Story Struggling, Bullying, Suicide,

621
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>self Harm. The black and white video shows Amanda bravely

622
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.559
<v Speaker 1>sitting in front of the camera, showing title cards that

623
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>read out her story as she sits silently revealing one

624
00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:18.000
<v Speaker 1>after the other. I've written them out here, so I'm

625
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:20.519
<v Speaker 1>going to go over them exactly how she wrote it.

626
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 1>This is exactly how she tells her story, so her

627
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.920
<v Speaker 1>cards read this, Hello, I've decided to tell you about

628
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.759
<v Speaker 1>my never ending story. In seventh grade, I would go

629
00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 1>with friends on webcam, meet and talk to new people.

630
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Then got called stunning, beautiful, perfect, etc. Then want me

631
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:47.759
<v Speaker 1>to flash, so I did. One year later, I got

632
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.319
<v Speaker 1>a message on Facebook from him. Don't know how he

633
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 1>knew me. It said, if you don't put on a

634
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:58.839
<v Speaker 1>show for me, I will send your boobs he knew

635
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:05.200
<v Speaker 1>my address, school relatives, friends, family names. Christmas break knock

636
00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>at my door at four am it was the police.

637
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>My photo was sent to everyone. I then got really

638
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 1>sick and got anxiety, major depression and panic disorder. Then

639
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 1>I moved and got into drugs and alcohol. My anxiety

640
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 1>got worse. I couldn't go out. A year passed and

641
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the guy came back with my new list of friends

642
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.839
<v Speaker 1>in school, but made a Facebook page my boobs or

643
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:37.519
<v Speaker 1>his profile pick. I cried every night, lost all my

644
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 1>friends and respect people had for me again. Then nobody

645
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:47.319
<v Speaker 1>liked me, name calling, judged. I can never get that

646
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:52.599
<v Speaker 1>photo back. It's out there. Forever, I started cutting. I

647
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 1>promised myself never again. Didn't have any friends and sat

648
00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:01.799
<v Speaker 1>at lunch alone. So I moved schools again. Everything was

649
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:06.279
<v Speaker 1>better than ever. I sat still alone at lunch in

650
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 1>the library every day. After a month, I started talking

651
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:13.960
<v Speaker 1>to an old guy friend. We back and forth texted

652
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and he started to say he liked me, led me

653
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 1>on he had a girlfriend. Then he said come over,

654
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:27.519
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend is on vacation. So I did huge mistake.

655
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>He hooked up with me. I thought he liked me.

656
00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:35.079
<v Speaker 1>One week later I got a text, get out of

657
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 1>your school. His girlfriend and fifteen others came, including himself.

658
00:34:41.519 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>The girl and two others just said look around, nobody

659
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 1>likes you. In front of my new school of fifty people.

660
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 1>A guy then yelled, just punch her already, so she did.

661
00:34:54.320 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>She threw me to the ground and punched me several times.

662
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Kids filmed it. I was all alone and left on

663
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the ground. I felt like a joke in this world.

664
00:35:05.519 --> 00:35:10.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought nobody deserves this. I was alone. I lied

665
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.119
<v Speaker 1>and said it was my fault and my idea. I

666
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't want him to get hurt. I thought he really

667
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:22.119
<v Speaker 1>liked me. He just wanted sex. Someone yelled, puncher already.

668
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Teachers ran over, but I just went and laid in

669
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.760
<v Speaker 1>the ditch and my dad found me. I wanted to

670
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.239
<v Speaker 1>die so bad. When he brought me back home, I

671
00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:35.679
<v Speaker 1>drank bleach. It killed me inside and I thought it

672
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>was actually going to die. Ambulance came and brought me

673
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 1>to the hospital and flushed me. Afterwards I got home.

674
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>All I saw on Facebook was she deserved it. Did

675
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 1>you wash the mud out of your hair? I hope

676
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:55.599
<v Speaker 1>she's dead. Nobody cared. I moved away to another city,

677
00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>to my mom's another school. I didn't want to press

678
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 1>charges because I wanted to move on. Six months has

679
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 1>gone by. People are posting pictures of bleach Chlorex and ditches,

680
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:12.239
<v Speaker 1>tagging me. I was doing a lot better too. They

681
00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:14.639
<v Speaker 1>said she should try a different bleach. I hope she

682
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>dies this time and isn't so stupid, They said, I

683
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:22.000
<v Speaker 1>hope she sees this and kills herself. Why do I

684
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 1>get this? I messed up? But why follow me? I

685
00:36:25.559 --> 00:36:29.639
<v Speaker 1>left your guys' city. I'm constantly crying now. Every day

686
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>I think why am I still here? My anxiety is

687
00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>horrible now. Never went out this summer, all from my past.

688
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Life's never getting better. Can't go to school, meet or

689
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>be with new people. Constantly cutting. I'm really depressed. I'm

690
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.519
<v Speaker 1>on antidepressants now and counseling, and a month ago this summer,

691
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:58.239
<v Speaker 1>I overdosed in hospital for two days. I'm stuck. What's

692
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:03.840
<v Speaker 1>left of me now stops. I have nobody. I need someone.

693
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:14.000
<v Speaker 1>My name is Amanda Todd. That's her video and there

694
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 1>is a link down below if you want to go

695
00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:22.599
<v Speaker 1>watch it on YouTube. There's also a section. I couldn't

696
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:25.119
<v Speaker 1>find the comment, but in a documentary I watched, they

697
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.840
<v Speaker 1>recovered it, and Amanda would actually reply to some of

698
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the caring comments that were replied to to the video.

699
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, a lot of this stuff was quite kind

700
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:36.719
<v Speaker 1>that was pouring in her video went viral.

701
00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

702
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.639
<v Speaker 1>In one of the comments, she replied said this, it's

703
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:46.840
<v Speaker 1>finally nice to see people care. My family and my

704
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>mom are the ones trying to stay strong. I booked

705
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.599
<v Speaker 1>November twenty eighth to get my stay Strong tattoo on

706
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:56.679
<v Speaker 1>my wrist so I can look at it and stop myself.

707
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>People now call me crazy, but I'm I'm just going

708
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to keep my head up. Love and cheers Amanda.

709
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:10.840
<v Speaker 2>See that's incredible, Like this they get show some she

710
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 2>has some strength.

711
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent, and for that alone, she is our

712
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>badass at the day.

713
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, I've already said it, but it's just

714
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.199
<v Speaker 2>so unnecessary how long this went on for and and

715
00:38:24.239 --> 00:38:26.880
<v Speaker 2>what's the point, Like it just it like costs nothing

716
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to be kind, and it's like those people were going

717
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.639
<v Speaker 2>out of their way to just be complete assholes for

718
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>no reason, and things that they should have even forgotten

719
00:38:35.760 --> 00:38:37.880
<v Speaker 2>about or shouldn't have even mattered to them.

720
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and now I don't want to sit here and

721
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.280
<v Speaker 1>point fingers at these kids, because that's what they are.

722
00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>There are a lot of these individuals online who are

723
00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:54.039
<v Speaker 1>bullying her are kids. They don't understand the consequences of

724
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:58.960
<v Speaker 1>what they're doing. Not an excuse, but it goes to

725
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.400
<v Speaker 1>show that their parents, their parents, not just of Amanda Todd,

726
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.119
<v Speaker 1>but their parents as well, didn't understand the internet at

727
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 1>the time, didn't know how to deal with this, didn't

728
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>know how to monitor it, didn't know anything about it.

729
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:18.079
<v Speaker 1>And these actions of bullying and cyber bullying are super

730
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 1>heavy because Amanda, however, would never make her tattoo appointment.

731
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>On October tenth of twenty twelve, Amanda was found in

732
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:32.039
<v Speaker 1>her home hanging, and her death was quickly ruled a suicide.

733
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, And how long after, like did this

734
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:39.800
<v Speaker 2>happen after she put her video up? Do you do

735
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you have when she had put her video up?

736
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was September seventh, really and she was found

737
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 1>October tenth.

738
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh and so like people were responding and being kind

739
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.679
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, but she just had I guess these demons

740
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:56.320
<v Speaker 2>just that were never going to go away.

741
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Hey, yeah, way too many demons, especially for someone so

742
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>young to be dealing.

743
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I mean this could just make me

744
00:40:03.239 --> 00:40:05.880
<v Speaker 2>literally like sob sob.

745
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think sorry, my phone's listening to us again.

746
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Likes to do that when we're recording. I think the

747
00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 1>FBI is listening.

748
00:40:12.239 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Creepy. Yeah.

749
00:40:15.239 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, Amanda's story brought the concept of cyberbullying into homes

750
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:22.360
<v Speaker 1>of the average person, making it a very hot topic

751
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>and pointing out the flaws in legislation and law enforcement

752
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.320
<v Speaker 1>policies that had failed to keep up with the way

753
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:35.159
<v Speaker 1>the Internet had been developing. But what it didn't do

754
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>was get anyone in any official capacity looking for the

755
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:42.760
<v Speaker 1>person who'd followed Amanda online for years and make sure

756
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:46.159
<v Speaker 1>that she could never move on with her life. Canadian

757
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement did nothing, but the same couldn't be said

758
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>for the Internet. The very thing that was the tool

759
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 1>for her bullying would be the thing that would kind

760
00:40:57.840 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 1>of turn around and help support her. In the end,

761
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the hacker group Anonymous got to work trying to link

762
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:08.119
<v Speaker 1>ip addresses to a physical address in the real world,

763
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:11.280
<v Speaker 1>improve the identity of the man behind all the fake

764
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>social media profiles, and done all of this harassment to Amanda.

765
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you. So these are just some like what

766
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>would you call them, like vigilante people? Is that what

767
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 2>the term would be?

768
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you've never heard of anonymous?

769
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Okay, aye, Sorry I didn't even clue in there.

770
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:33.079
<v Speaker 2>So this is who went after this person? Correct, No

771
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>authorities or anyone, just these people.

772
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 1>To start with.

773
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

774
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Now, the group anonymous came up short of identifying the

775
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 1>individual a couple times, even unfortunately dosing the wrong people.

776
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Before their story got enough traction, Facebook actually decides to

777
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:53.199
<v Speaker 1>launch their own investigation.

778
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:54.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow.

779
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 1>A Facebook security team traced back the fake profile IP

780
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:03.280
<v Speaker 1>addresses because they were multiple being used, right right, Yeah,

781
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 1>they all trace back to a single IP address in

782
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:07.440
<v Speaker 1>the Netherlands.

783
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Shit, who is this? Do we know who this person is?

784
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you'll have to keep listening. Oh for frick sake,

785
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you haven't heard anything about more on this case.

786
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:22.239
<v Speaker 1>I would have known a lot more.

787
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.159
<v Speaker 2>I know I probably should, especially considering it so close

788
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to home, but I really don't for some reason.

789
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, they managed to track it to the Netherlands, and

790
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.840
<v Speaker 1>they reported their findings to both the Canadian and Dutch authorities,

791
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of when authorities starts stepping in, and

792
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:40.199
<v Speaker 1>one of them took it quite seriously. The Dutch government

793
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 1>followed a tip and went to the home of the

794
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 1>Dutch Turkish citizen named Aiden Cooben. Once there they had

795
00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 1>a look into Aiden's online activity. They knew they had

796
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 1>stumbled across something incredibly serious.

797
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>Because he was probably doing this to other people. I'm assuming.

798
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.760
<v Speaker 1>They found evidence that Aiden was the one responsible for

799
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.000
<v Speaker 1>what had happened to Amanda tadd And amongst the lists

800
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 1>of the aliases they found Tyler Boo amongst them.

801
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 2>What a piece of shit.

802
00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Not only that, but there was proof that he had

803
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 1>done the exact same thing he'd done to Amanda to

804
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:25.159
<v Speaker 1>thirty nine other people thirty nine thirty nine. And this

805
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:26.800
<v Speaker 1>is only the proof.

806
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>Is this person, like, Okay, I need to know more

807
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 2>information about him. I have a lot of questions at

808
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:31.840
<v Speaker 2>all this.

809
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Wait, some of them were young girls and others were

810
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:40.039
<v Speaker 1>actually grown men as well. Really, now he had this

811
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.360
<v Speaker 1>whole thing down to an art. Aiden will get his

812
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 1>victims into a compromising situation, then blackmail them into doing

813
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever he wanted them to do. Sometimes this meant just

814
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:55.159
<v Speaker 1>sending pictures or camshow. Other times it was sending money

815
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.360
<v Speaker 1>to ensure that he wouldn't be releasing these compromising pictures.

816
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:01.920
<v Speaker 2>This guy ruining reputations, digusting.

817
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is.

818
00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:07.280
<v Speaker 2>Like, I'm just envisioning this like person that's just like

819
00:44:08.519 --> 00:44:13.400
<v Speaker 2>in his fucking parents' basement doing weird ass shit? Is

820
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 2>that right? Or is he like living in his own

821
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 2>house and shit?

822
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I did his little research on this scumbag as I

823
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.480
<v Speaker 1>had to, so I didn't look into it. Let's put

824
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 1>it that way.

825
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'm just going to keep envisioning what I'm

826
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:30.400
<v Speaker 2>envisioning because like, yeah, yeah.

827
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, Aiden was arrested in charge with over seventy two

828
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>charges of sexual assault and.

829
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Fraud, thank goodness, all of.

830
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Which he pleaded not guilty too when in court. Idiot,

831
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 1>But by then the world was watching and Aiden had

832
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 1>left a literal trail of digital evidence behind him. Yep,

833
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>he was found guilty and sentenced to ten years and

834
00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 1>eight months for all his charges. Not enough, but none

835
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.840
<v Speaker 1>of his charges had anything to do with Amanda Todd

836
00:45:00.760 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 1>and there was a very good reason for.

837
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:03.119
<v Speaker 2>That, Okay.

838
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Rumors started spreading in twenty nineteen. Rumors started spreading in

839
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen that the Canadian government was up to something,

840
00:45:15.920 --> 00:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>and it had everything to do with Aiden Coban. There

841
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 1>was talk about him being extradited so he could face

842
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>charges related to Amanda Todd on Canadian soil. Wow, okay,

843
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:33.280
<v Speaker 1>and those rumors proved to be true. Nice and Aiden

844
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:38.760
<v Speaker 1>was taken to Canadian court on June of twenty twenty two.

845
00:45:38.800 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, Okay, why shit have I not heard more about this?

846
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:44.119
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know where the fuck? Where the fuck

847
00:45:44.119 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 2>have I been?

848
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know you should have.

849
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:52.639
<v Speaker 2>This is almost embarrassing, yeah, a little bit, Okay, okay,

850
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>because this is like literally like I'm like, what youared?

851
00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Is it? It's twenty twenty two? Like what the fuck?

852
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<v Speaker 2>I don't even like what?

853
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sorry, this happened six months ago.

854
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm actually flabberg acid right now.

855
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<v Speaker 1>Well, somehow, even with his past convictions, Aiden was full

856
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of confidence and claimed that he wasn't guilty of these

857
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:13.360
<v Speaker 1>charges against Amanda Talm.

858
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I'm so disgusted by this human being

859
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>like he is. I can only imagine what shit's being

860
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>said about him online and stuff too. Oh yeah, like

861
00:46:21.960 --> 00:46:24.159
<v Speaker 2>he's getting it tenfold.

862
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, guarantee it.

863
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:26.800
<v Speaker 2>And he's and he deserves it.

864
00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 1>He's the lowest of low. He has fucking scummed this guy.

865
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

866
00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>So these charges were possession of child pornography, extortion, criminal harassment,

867
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>and communication with a young person to commit a sexual offense.

868
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Those are some big, big ones.

869
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Aiden was found guilty on all charges.

870
00:46:48.559 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Good. I also feel like something in there about like

871
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like secondary murder or some sort of other murder should

872
00:46:57.000 --> 00:46:59.320
<v Speaker 2>be in there, to be honest, But okay, I.

873
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Mean potentially there could be something like that in there.

874
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But I would imagine that trying for certain charges rather

875
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 1>than the extreme ones might ensure his.

876
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Conviction, you know right, I guess yeah, because.

877
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Now you're trying to prove murder rather than like the

878
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 1>child pornography, extortion and the harassment, and you know.

879
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, the things that they know they can like definitely get.

880
00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, the jury recommended a sentence of twelve years

881
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 1>for his crimes, and the judge gave him more, added

882
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:35.039
<v Speaker 1>an extra year to his sentence to a total of thirteen,

883
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:40.320
<v Speaker 1>saying they added the extra year because Aiden had shown

884
00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:44.119
<v Speaker 1>no remorse for his actions and had ultimately ended a

885
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:45.320
<v Speaker 1>young girl's life.

886
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it should be way more than that because

887
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 2>this friggin little uh is going to get out of

888
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 2>jail and just do it again.

889
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean total, he's going to be serving

890
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:00.639
<v Speaker 1>twenty three years.

891
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, okay, so it's on top of the other one.

892
00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 1>As far as I'm aware, I should clarify, I didn't

893
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.559
<v Speaker 1>actually look into that. I'm assuming it's on top.

894
00:48:10.719 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>And you don't know how old he is. Ah.

895
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>No, I didn't look up his age. I didn't, Like

896
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I said, I looked up as little information of him.

897
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.159
<v Speaker 2>As possible, hoping that he's like an eighty year old

898
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 2>man that was living in his parents.

899
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.159
<v Speaker 1>No, he looks like he's like in his forties right now.

900
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like I just want him to be like in

901
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>there for the rest of his life is all I'm

902
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:28.400
<v Speaker 2>after here.

903
00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>No, he'll probably eventually get out unless something happens to

904
00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 1>him inside. Who knows. We can cross our fingers on that. Maybe.

905
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

906
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>So that is the case of Amanda Todd, the girl

907
00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>who went through absolute hell for pretty much three.

908
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Years, no reason whatsoever, all because she.

909
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Made a split, one second mistake.

910
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Tiny mistake really yeah, Like, I mean, okay, it was

911
00:48:57.239 --> 00:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>a really shitty mistake. Like it sucked that she is.

912
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Not even a really shitty mistake. It's a mistake that

913
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>so many people.

914
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is very like innocent of her to make this.

915
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.480
<v Speaker 2>You would never have thought the consequences would be to

916
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.559
<v Speaker 2>this extent. No, And I'm sorry about all the people

917
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.480
<v Speaker 2>involved in this too, like the other kids and stuff like.

918
00:49:16.880 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they realize what the fuck they did.

919
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I really hope that every single one of those

920
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 1>kids thinks about Amanda Todd every day of the rest

921
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:28.679
<v Speaker 1>of their life and realize that they had a very

922
00:49:28.719 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>big part of her passing.

923
00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I mean, yeah, this was twenty twelve, but

924
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's still not realize it's twenty twenty

925
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.920
<v Speaker 2>two now, and like this shit's still happening.

926
00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is.

927
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 2>People are so cruel. They give people no chances whatsoever,

928
00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're just like like they just need to mind

929
00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 2>their own business.

930
00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Happening time and like, in all honesty, this happens to

931
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 1>so many people, not just kids, not just adults, not

932
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.679
<v Speaker 1>just like targeted, but it happens consistently that we've had

933
00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 1>it near what Amanda's had it too. Don't get me

934
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 1>wrong here, but we've had an individual sending very ignorant

935
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:11.199
<v Speaker 1>remarks to us about our podcast just kind of harassing us.

936
00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Not consistently, but it has happened, and it's why.

937
00:50:15.079 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 2>It's just they're hiding behind the keyboard. It's almost like

938
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:21.679
<v Speaker 2>because it's not face to face or there's so many

939
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 2>ways nowadays that you can have interaction with people that

940
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.159
<v Speaker 2>isn't face to face. Yeah, that it's like it's justified

941
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>to them. Yeah, there's no, it doesn't matter. But it's

942
00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:32.199
<v Speaker 2>like these there's people are real and they're still going

943
00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>to be reading that.

944
00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but they don't think they It gives them a

945
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 1>high of power because they can just do that and

946
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 1>ignore it. Yeah, and just be like, haha, I told

947
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 1>this person they suck or whatever their comments would be.

948
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.599
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like that has a significant impact on

949
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:52.400
<v Speaker 1>someone's day. But why so you can feel a little

950
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.199
<v Speaker 1>bit of a hit of dopamine for five seconds? Yeah,

951
00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Like that's low. That is absolutely low, And to show

952
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>that what sort of impact it can have. Amanda's not

953
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.079
<v Speaker 1>here anymore because of people like that.

954
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Like she was sixteen, right, she had this whole life

955
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 2>she had, Like I mean, I got to listen to it,

956
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 2>but like you said, a beautiful voice.

957
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I think she was fifteen actually, if I'm not mistaken, okay.

958
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Like still, that is just too young. Oh and just

959
00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>to think that she had good to go through all

960
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 2>of that and just like this few years she had

961
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 2>on this planet like brut Yeah.

962
00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:33.599
<v Speaker 1>So I did want to say that we're not going

963
00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.159
<v Speaker 1>to be putting any research links in the description of

964
00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this episode where the research section is. All I'm going

965
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 1>to put in this time is Amanda's video on YouTube

966
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 1>where you can go and watch what she had to say.

967
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.119
<v Speaker 1>And I'm also going to put in a helpline for

968
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.679
<v Speaker 1>anyone who might be having any suicidal thoughts, So go

969
00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:54.400
<v Speaker 1>check that out. If you need someone to talk to,

970
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:55.400
<v Speaker 1>please give them a call.

971
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, and yeah, like.

972
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.679
<v Speaker 1>I said, officially named being mad to toat the Badass

973
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 1>of the day.

974
00:52:02.320 --> 00:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

975
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 1>So with that, thank you for listening. We appreciate you

976
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.199
<v Speaker 1>being here. Go check out those those links for Amanda

977
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>there and get yourself some help if you need.

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00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.079
<v Speaker 2>And until next time, stay wicked.