WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:03.240 We've traveled through gravity falls. 2 00:00:05.559 --> 00:00:08.320 Journeyed into the unknown, and. 3 00:00:08.519 --> 00:00:11.560 Now we need a vacation. 4 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:15.039 Join us as we travel to Beach City for rejumbering 5 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:20.160 and all new Stephen Universe rewatch podcast exclusively on our Patreon. 6 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:22.760 Every month, hear us, hang out and discuss two episodes 7 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:25.679 of Stephen Universe at patreon dot com slash mystery Shack 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:28.199 for as little as three dollars a month. 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Everyone, enjoy the podcast. 25 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.840 Take me back to the place sign know with the 26 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:32.359 Mystery Shack and the Forest Gnomes. I'm already back, so 27 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:35.519 come on, let's go. Don't get me started. My heart's 28 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:36.920 in gravity Falls. 29 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:41.159 Welcome to Mystery Shack, look back, a nostalgic time capsule 30 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:46.200 and a what's a weapon consisting of a book tied 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:50.400 to a club of the current Gravity Falls fandom. We 32 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:51.680 are your curators. 33 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.079 I'm Ella, I'm Charlie. 34 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.040 And I'm Shelby. We got a new iTunes review. 35 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:02.159 That's true. 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You've got to be kitten. 49 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:34.879 This is from Mabel herself, you. 50 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:36.240 Know what I probably is. 51 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.199 And it's titled Book of Bill and the text just reads, 52 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.039 are y'all kind of review the Book of Bill? 53 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:45.879 To which we could say. 54 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.800 Uh no, no, no, no. 55 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:50.960 So what are we talking about today? 56 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:51.960 The Book of Bill? 57 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:54.479 You know, I guess we were kitten. 58 00:02:54.599 --> 00:03:01.080 They were right, they had us packed. Yeah, what is 59 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:02.680 the Book of Bill? Why? 60 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:05.479 The Book of Bill is a Gravity Falls book that 61 00:03:05.599 --> 00:03:09.120 released on July twenty third, twenty twenty four. It follows 62 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.840 series antagonist Bill Cipher as he tells the story from 63 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.000 his perspective. So you know, it is very much a 64 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:18.599 book written by Bill. 65 00:03:18.840 --> 00:03:22.080 Okay that okay, I probably could have parsed that together. 66 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.400 At least it's not as confusing as the Gravity Falls 67 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.159 vinyl soundtrack. I really needed that broken down for me. 68 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.840 Thank you for breaking that down for us? Of course. Yes, yeah, 69 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:35.120 So when we did Journal three and Dipper and Mabel's 70 00:03:35.120 --> 00:03:37.439 Guide to Mystery and NonStop Fun, we had the author 71 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.719 of those journals, Rob Brenzettion. 72 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.919 So if Bill Cipher wrote this book. 73 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:50.039 I guess yeah, we must still, we should probably reach out, right, Yeah. 74 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:51.479 Does anybody have his contact info? 75 00:03:52.240 --> 00:03:55.759 I got I think I got it. The old rolla 76 00:03:55.840 --> 00:04:04.960 dix ah okay, Angulum intangulum, vinny forrest Dominus mentium, vinny 77 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:12.360 boris by that disomnia sick yep, thank yep, gil sec 78 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:16.160 yepil sick yepksack yep, dooksack yep, bilk sack yep. 79 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:19.480 Oh geez, every time I go into my blood baths, 80 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:20.879 somebody tries to give me a phone call. 81 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.319 What do you want it worked, Ladies and gentlemen and 82 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:28.079 non binary pals. Welcome to the show. New York Times 83 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:33.920 best selling author Bill Cipher here. 84 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.600 Oh, we're talking about how great I am. Okay, I 85 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:38.920 guess that's worth getting out of the top four. 86 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:44.000 Yeah. Your recent release, the Book of Bill uh rocket 87 00:04:44.040 --> 00:04:46.480 into the top of the best seller list. It's been 88 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.920 sold out everywhere for half a year. 89 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.439 I know Shelby had to drive quite a distance. 90 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.879 I went to US one, which is probably the best 91 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:58.319 place to get the book of Bill. Oh. 92 00:04:58.399 --> 00:04:59.879 Yeah, the lizard man rang me up and. 93 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.560 First name, last name, and occupation. Yeah, we were hoping 94 00:05:03.680 --> 00:05:06.000 to interview you more about your writing process. 95 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.759 Writing is just like lying but on paper, Libel, do 96 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.360 that voice again, and I strip your flesh from your bone. 97 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:14.040 Yeah, it's not dangerous anyway. 98 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:15.399 They tried to censor my book. 99 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.639 But guess where the censors are now, I tell you, 100 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:18.680 But they'd censor it. 101 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:19.959 Okay, they're at hell. 102 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:22.120 The only thing more fun than publishing whatever I want 103 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:24.879 is hearing jokers like you. Believe it, and this little 104 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.480 retrospective comedy avoids your life. 105 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:29.480 Variety Hour has been great. 106 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:29.879 Pr for me. 107 00:05:30.120 --> 00:05:32.279 I mean, we usually just usually just talk about what 108 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:34.839 a terrible person you are most of the time. 109 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.959 Oh there you go again, you dickens. I'm blushing. You 110 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:40.759 can't tell I'm made of light anyway. Nobody can possibly 111 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:43.920 stop me, not you, not the publishers, not Alex Thirsch, 112 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.600 because nobody at all of oz, no wizard that there 113 00:05:46.680 --> 00:05:48.959 is or was, is ever gonna bring me down. Sorry, 114 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:52.399 these are the wrong cute cards. Wait, it's feeling? 115 00:05:53.079 --> 00:05:54.959 Am I being possessed? 116 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:56.439 How is that possible? 117 00:05:56.759 --> 00:05:59.240 What being in the multiverse could be powerful? 118 00:05:59.360 --> 00:05:59.680 Not to? 119 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:01.680 Oh no, no, it can't be. 120 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:10.040 All right, Okay, I'm back, that's right. Oh I possessed? Bill, 121 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.360 You're hey here? I am, let's do it. Well. 122 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:15.639 Yeah, well everybody, welcome back to the show. Creator of 123 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:17.199 Gravity follows Alex Hirsh. 124 00:06:17.040 --> 00:06:19.240 Welcome back to the show. You were previously on our 125 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:20.639 episode on Cipher him. 126 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:23.240 Don't I always love to return to a podcast. 127 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.199 Oh, you're right, it's like returning home. 128 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:27.560 It is you next summer. 129 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.480 As they say, I feel great in front of a microphone, 130 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:34.639 a touch tool adopter, a touch too, al laptop with audasstady. 131 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.360 Open attached the internet. 132 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:39.319 Yeah, we've scheduled this interview twice because what you said 133 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:44.480 to me was this book performed way better than anyone expected. 134 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:47.279 Yes, how has that been for you? 135 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:51.279 Journal three was the sort of evergreen bestseller. It did 136 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:54.560 so well, and it continued to perform extraordinarily well for 137 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:56.600 I mean, it's a monster manual for a show that 138 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.120 ended eight years ago, and you know, people are still 139 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:01.600 buying it. And so Disney had asked me in twenty nineteen. 140 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:03.720 I believe they said, oh my god, Journal three did 141 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:05.399 so well. Will you do Journal two? Will you do 142 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.639 Journal one? And I said, that doesn't really make sense narratively. 143 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.360 I feel like the most interesting stuff happens, you know, 144 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.560 when the other pines show up and I just I don't. 145 00:07:13.639 --> 00:07:15.720 I don't have a whole book. The reason Journal three 146 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.279 is interesting is because it's a companion piece to the 147 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.079 series and it sort of answers those questions. I don't 148 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:21.519 think that's interesting. I was like, you know, but what 149 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:23.639 I would do for you is like a cursed evil 150 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.000 Bible by Bill telling kids to like, you know, burn 151 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:30.839 down churches and stuff. And they said no, what, absolutely not. 152 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:33.160 And I said, yeah, no that's fair. It's that that 153 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:36.160 is a terrible idea. Okay, bye. And then years later 154 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:38.160 a new department said, hey, you remember that idea about 155 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.120 a cursed evil Bill Cipher book. Do you really will 156 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:41.879 you do that for us? And I was like, you 157 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.399 said before that that was a bad idea to give 158 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:46.680 a evil bible the children. And they're like, yeah, but 159 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.680 we want content. So I was like, okay, if you 160 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.560 really want it. And you know, so this was literally 161 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.480 just what would be fun for me. 162 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.560 Was that new department. Was that related to it being 163 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:02.000 published under Hyperion and when Westa instead of Disney precisely? 164 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.800 Yeah, So the Hyperion Buenev people reached out to me 165 00:08:04.879 --> 00:08:06.480 and I said, yeah, I mean, if you'll let me 166 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:10.720 just make it completely chicking bugnuts crazy. Sure, yeah, I'll 167 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.920 do it. And so I was thinking of it almost 168 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.199 like a you know, an anniversary present to the fans 169 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.560 that continue to show up, and I say, oh, I, hey, 170 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:19.959 happy anniversary, honey, here's a little gift for you. 171 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:21.160 Thank you for being there for me. 172 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:22.639 This is flat word. 173 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.959 Yeah, And it's the fact that especially that you know, 174 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:27.879 kids that grew up with it who weren't on the 175 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.959 internet as it was airing, are now on the Internet. 176 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.759 There's sort of like a generational ven Diagram thing happening 177 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.799 right now where people who were yes, twelve when the 178 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:39.799 show premiered are twenty now and people who were twenty 179 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:42.399 when the show premiered are twenty eight now. And so 180 00:08:42.519 --> 00:08:44.759 you've got you know, fans that now have kids and 181 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.480 kids that are discovering it at the same time. And 182 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:50.120 so there's suddenly this kind of like maximum four quadrant 183 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:54.759 engagement and sort of cross generational appeal resulting in just 184 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:59.159 this explosion of content and fandom and old fans and 185 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:02.320 new fans and yeah, oh I remember you should have 186 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:03.720 been there for the Tumblr days. 187 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.279 You have no idea that's what this podcast, Yeah, I mean, that's. 188 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.639 Our podcast I know, but it's like your podcast. 189 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.919 I mean, I assume probably more people have been downloading it. 190 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:13.360 Oh for sure. 191 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.519 Yeah. No, So I have a lot of like popular 192 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:20.039 gravity Falls videos on YouTube. I sent like a screenshot 193 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.879 of like my views over the past year to people, 194 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:25.080 and I'm like, hey, just look at this graph and 195 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.799 just try to guess when Book of Bill dropped, because 196 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:32.039 it's like everything else is flat by comparison, because a 197 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.240 line graph could only show so much because there's just 198 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:37.279 a giant mountain there. 199 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.600 That mountain is across all metrics. The show's being watched, 200 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:42.679 you know, three times four times what it was being watched, 201 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:44.799 you know before the book came out. I mean it's recently. 202 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:47.080 It was just in the like top ten most watched 203 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.799 things on Disney Plus, and that includes the Simpsons and 204 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:51.120 the Avengers and Frozen. 205 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:53.960 Yeah I am doctor who. Yeah. 206 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.919 So I'm still wrapping my head around it. I'm grateful 207 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:58.759 that the fans remember the anniversary too. 208 00:09:58.919 --> 00:10:03.440 So where does all of this Book of Bill history start? 209 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:06.360 Now? I guess we'd have to go to the Oregon 210 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.519 Parks Department Twitter account created in March twenty sixteen to 211 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:12.200 promote journal three. 212 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:16.279 Right the first page in Journal three specifically is by 213 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.919 Gus Burnside, the park Ranger. The kind of narrative of 214 00:10:20.000 --> 00:10:23.200 Journal three is that the Oregon Parks Department found this 215 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.480 and is putting it up for auction, and the character 216 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.960 from that first page had an in character arg Twitter account. 217 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:34.600 It also was involved in puzzling Pines, which we talked 218 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:38.200 about during Lost Legends. Yes, it was one of the 219 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:40.000 places where the puzzle pieces was tweeted. 220 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.480 Yeah, because it is very much like it is the 221 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:46.320 link between the Gravity Falls world and our world. Like 222 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.759 if something is going to manifest in our world, Gus 223 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.720 Burnside seems to be the first to know. 224 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:58.759 On December fourteenth, twenty twenty three, the account posted for 225 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:02.440 the first time in four years and tweeted a black 226 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.080 and white image of a road with a yellow triangular 227 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.159 sign about slippery conditions. 228 00:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.039 From there, it tweeted picks of a brimstone moth, a 229 00:11:13.080 --> 00:11:18.000 dorito chip, and redwood tree rings with Bill's hat visible. 230 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.440 This would be explained in the Book of Bill to 231 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:23.639 indicate whenever Bill would visit the Gravity Falls Valley. 232 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:26.320 The account then tweeted an image and a video of 233 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:31.799 a Bill Cipher shaped popsicle, which was crafted by Aaron Boffman, 234 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:36.960 which is melting and covered with ants. What a great image. 235 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:38.320 Delicious. 236 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:40.960 I love that. So yeah, though we kind of knew 237 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:44.240 something was coming at this point, although no one knew 238 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:48.120 quite what it was. Obviously there were clamors of season three. 239 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:52.279 I mean that's people will say that with no evidence, 240 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:55.639 so give them evidence, and it's. 241 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:57.320 I remember, this was very exciting. 242 00:11:57.480 --> 00:11:59.879 Our server kind of started to we have a discord 243 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:01.360 every by the way, you could find it in the 244 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.360 description wherever you're listening to the podcast or on pipe 245 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:07.240 period podcast dot com kind of came back to life, 246 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.399 been like, hey, what what what the chick is happening? 247 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.799 When it rewards the biggest freaks, it's more fun, right, 248 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:18.000 So when it's somebody's saying, hey, everybody, the Oregon Parks 249 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:21.440 twitter hasn't updated in six years or whatever, and it 250 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:23.600 just did. Do you think that means something's coming? And 251 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.440 then people say, no, what are you talking about? Who cares? 252 00:12:27.039 --> 00:12:29.000 And then there's another tweet They're like, all I think 253 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:31.000 And suddenly it starts to build and so it's like 254 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:34.080 it the folks who are most tuned into the most 255 00:12:34.279 --> 00:12:37.039 esoteric corners of it are getting the greatest sense of 256 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:38.759 satisfaction when they get to say, hey, I. 257 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:40.840 Told you so, well, yeah, you want to appeal to 258 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:44.039 the people wearing the sandwich boards with greg with messages 259 00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:46.240 on them, are are the ones that will be the 260 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:46.879 first to know. 261 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:49.919 And they will be my best advertisers. No one will 262 00:12:50.080 --> 00:12:52.960 get the book better than the passionate evangelists to see 263 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:55.440 the signs and the tea leaves that say it's returning 264 00:12:55.879 --> 00:12:58.080 because then thought they were right. They will be shouting 265 00:12:58.120 --> 00:12:59.639 it from the rooftops, and they will be more effective 266 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:01.600 than any campaign that Disney could possibly come for. 267 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:03.519 Now all of China knows you're bad. 268 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:07.399 The last tweet on December fourteenth said, finally turning in 269 00:13:07.440 --> 00:13:09.399 for the night will be up bright and early tomorrow. 270 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:10.279 According to the. 271 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:15.320 Weather, it's gonna be some sunny day hashtag always check 272 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:15.759 the weather. 273 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:18.559 The next day, the account tweeted a picture of Crater 274 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:22.679 Lake in Oregon with the caption boy, I love lakes. 275 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:28.000 It's so calming, outstanding magnificence in nature, gus. 276 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.080 And the first letter of each word of that sent 277 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:32.879 spells out Bill is coming. 278 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:35.759 And then Alex you tweeted getting a headache, Maybe I'll 279 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:39.399 feel better if I close one eye, which is how 280 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.039 I believe the announcement of the Bill Cipher Ama has 281 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.639 started as well. That's sort of lets you know that 282 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:48.320 a possession is coming on. And then after that you 283 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.200 tweeted against all laws of physics, logic and good taste, 284 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.519 Bill Cipher has somehow managed to write a book. This 285 00:13:55.639 --> 00:13:59.240 can't be good. The Book of Bill invades bookstores this July. 286 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:04.600 And then there's a video of the book itself rotating 287 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:07.759 and sort of glitching out, and there's an eyeball on 288 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:09.600 and all of a sudden and things like that. 289 00:14:09.840 --> 00:14:13.840 The University of Oregon tweeted Friday fit check and they 290 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:16.080 were holding up their their hands in the sign of 291 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:19.320 an O to represent Oregon, the two girls in the photo, 292 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.919 and then Gus quote tweeted. 293 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:25.440 And said, go Oregon, you am I doing this right? 294 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:29.360 And it's a picture of supposedly of Gus making a 295 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:30.559 triangle with his hands. 296 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:32.840 Alex are you Gus? Are those your hands? 297 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.080 Those are not my hands? Actually those are Jeffrey Thompson's hands. 298 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:38.240 I said, hey, people are gonna people are gonna notice 299 00:14:38.240 --> 00:14:40.320 that they're my hands because my fans are so psycho. 300 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.399 Could could you please use your mandling masculine hands. 301 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:43.639 Yeah. 302 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:46.080 But then then later other videos, it's my hands, Like 303 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:47.559 I just stopped care because I was we're running out 304 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:48.879 of time. I was like, oh, I just I was just, 305 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:50.519 you know, Gus, I was just having fun. 306 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.679 Now, you had announced that the book was coming out 307 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:56.120 in July, and then the Oregon Parts Department starts tweeting 308 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:57.200 again in July. 309 00:14:57.679 --> 00:14:58.159 In July. 310 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.879 In July, make. 311 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:02.480 Cheese for him. 312 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.720 It's a lot of shit, do you know that? 313 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:10.559 And the first return tweet was careful campers. When that 314 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.639 arrow points to that yellow triangle, it means things are 315 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.639 about to heat up. This weekend could be a scorcher. 316 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:21.120 There are so many creative ways to post. Hey, Bill 317 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:25.799 Zipher's releasing a book. As a park stranger who was 318 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.440 unknowing to any of this going on. 319 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.480 All you need to do is incorporate a yellow triangle, 320 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:34.039 and there are so many ways to do that. 321 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.600 I mean, I've seen some creative tweets with the yellow 322 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.360 triangle formulations from some of the artists. 323 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.879 That's also true. Yeah. And then on July fourteenth, it 324 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:45.919 tweeted an image of bones found by scouts that were 325 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:48.960 left by a coyote and the bones spelled out nine days. 326 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:51.600 The next day, it tweeted a roadside sign that read 327 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:55.399 he is coming eh days. This was an edited public 328 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.679 domain image of a FEMA sign from twenty twelve. 329 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:01.360 It was like one of those like electrical signs you'd 330 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.600 see on the highway, like buckle up or something. 331 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:06.559 Right, yeah, And the image also contained a code that 332 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.080 was previously unknown runes. 333 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:10.919 And well we'll get in more into that later in 334 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:14.080 our hall of conspiracy, speaking of which I think we 335 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:15.679 have like a mouse or something. 336 00:16:15.799 --> 00:16:17.840 I have been hearing some sounds. We haven't been in 337 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:18.840 there in two years. 338 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:20.639 I'm sure we'll figure it out. 339 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:22.799 I mean I go down there periodically, but my food 340 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:25.519 is always missing. Like I put my lunch down there, 341 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.159 and when I come back, it's gone. So I've had 342 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:29.000 a door doash Are you accusing. 343 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.360 Me of something? You can just you could just say 344 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:31.879 my name. 345 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:35.720 I'm just I'm just saying a statement. I mean, like 346 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:39.720 you've accused me of taking your food, but well. 347 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.879 My food is going okay, And you just said you 348 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:43.960 went down there a lot. 349 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:46.919 A break in the case would eventually come. 350 00:16:48.279 --> 00:16:51.759 This is referring to I think it's the I think. 351 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.240 That's the ones who who cracked the runes at Trick 352 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.840 and Gravity Falls and at jim Bag Underscore seven seven seven. 353 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.360 Cracked They cracked to the ruins that we didn't know 354 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:01.960 about yet. 355 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:04.480 Well there's they only got some of the letters though, 356 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:07.039 I think, Yeah, how no idea. 357 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:13.880 The next image, July sixteenth, was a Bill Cipher cup 358 00:17:13.920 --> 00:17:17.480 in a pile of litter. Poster nearby said limited offer 359 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:21.720 only seven days and a small paper that says runs 360 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:25.480 for beginners, likely a nod to the then yet to 361 00:17:25.519 --> 00:17:27.680 be cracked code in the last image. 362 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.839 Okay, that's how Okay. They noticed a recurring symbol in 363 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:35.359 every image minus the eighth day one. They figured out 364 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.200 the signature of the artists who created the image and 365 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.440 figure out some symbols from that's wild. 366 00:17:42.039 --> 00:17:42.319 Yeah. 367 00:17:42.519 --> 00:17:46.079 I always say that, you know that fans are always 368 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:48.240 you know, they're ten times better at decoding the shit 369 00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:50.440 than I even think they're gonna be. And then I 370 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:53.720 try to, you know, raise the bar, and it's always 371 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:54.559 even more than I say. 372 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:57.799 The July seventeenth image was of a Neon sign pointing 373 00:17:57.799 --> 00:18:02.319 to a motel six. Due to the various lights being out, 374 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:07.839 read will meet as in like lunch meet again six. 375 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.359 Days again two separate words. 376 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.920 Again, yes, that's true. The moon in the sky also 377 00:18:14.319 --> 00:18:16.279 was shining on the clouds in a way that formed 378 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.680 a triangle. They're being real subtle. 379 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:20.759 So for the fifth day, it was an image of 380 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:24.599 a huge murmuration of rare yellow throated sterlings, and they 381 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:27.519 formed in the sky to say five days. 382 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:32.599 Then July nineteenth had a photo of Gus showing mosquito 383 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:36.559 bites on him that spelled out four daye. This was 384 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:38.720 a nod to the mosquitoes in the show that spelled 385 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.519 out bewarb on Dipper's arm revealed to be soothsquitos in 386 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:46.480 Journal three who give poorly spelled warnings. In the background, 387 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.319 the Bill Cipher statue was visible. 388 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:51.839 On July twentieth, Gus instead tweeted that he found something 389 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:54.480 strange in the woods while out for a walk. He 390 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:56.039 then said he would post a video. 391 00:18:56.160 --> 00:18:57.039 It was a TikTok. 392 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:01.200 Litter is the worst thing to see in our national parks. 393 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:05.720 But I found something strange today. Does anyone know someone 394 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:09.319 named Bill comment if this book is yours? 395 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:10.079 Yeah? 396 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:12.240 That was the book of Bill Goes Well the Boogaboo. 397 00:19:12.559 --> 00:19:15.000 But more importantly, they had a TikTok account. 398 00:19:15.039 --> 00:19:17.839 Gus is really doing his part to make the Oregon 399 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:21.079 Parks Department hit for the gen z h Yeah. 400 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:22.880 I mean, you could call him out of touch all 401 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:24.240 you want, but he's trying. 402 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:26.680 I was never on TikTok. I didn't know anything about TikTok. 403 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.279 I only made a TikTok account for the organ Parks 404 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:33.440 to sort of just like post some content there because 405 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.240 I just was sort of trying to put stuff wherever 406 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.920 I could. My TikTok feed the like maybe eleven days 407 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:40.680 thirteen days after the book came out, and I was 408 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:43.759 just like scrolling and I was like I could scroll 409 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.480 for hours, and every time I swipe my finger up, 410 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.680 it's people in well produced videos, dancing and singing and 411 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.240 pantomiming and creating and cosplaying. Like you know, the difference 412 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.319 between this and the Tumbler generations. Like Tumbler, you see 413 00:19:57.319 --> 00:19:59.319 somebody's word post or their drawing post every now and 414 00:19:59.359 --> 00:20:01.799 then you see, you know, a costume, but TikTok is 415 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:04.960 just the humans reacting, which you just don't normally get 416 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.119 to see. And it's sort of overwhelming, but it does 417 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:10.039 a little bit feel like this is like a black 418 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:11.960 mirror episode where like I got hit by a bus 419 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:13.839 on the way to deliver the manuscript to Disney, and 420 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:16.440 I'm in a coma and I'm imagining a world where 421 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.680 everyone is everyone is pantomiming to voices that I did 422 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.960 when I was twenty seven. Like my whole feed is 423 00:20:22.240 --> 00:20:24.519 like people building monuments of this cartoon. I'm like, this 424 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:28.200 is not real. This is an Yeah, like none of 425 00:20:28.200 --> 00:20:30.599 this makes any sense, Like what is going on here? Yeah? Exactly, 426 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:31.480 I'm having a stroke. 427 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:35.519 Then, on both the Twitter and the TikTok, he posted 428 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:38.960 a video showing the book raining teeth. 429 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:41.440 Oh my gosh, what is going on? 430 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:45.200 Teeth? Teeth, teeth, Yeah. 431 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.000 And on July twenty first, after a longer than normal weight, 432 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:51.559 Oregon Parks Department tweeted, there's something wrong with this book, 433 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.720 followed by it hasn't been acting the way books are 434 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:55.880 supposed to act. 435 00:20:58.480 --> 00:21:02.160 How a book acts is a pretty recognized behavior that 436 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:04.480 a deviation from might be necessity. 437 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.119 I think we have a very rigid social expectation for 438 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:10.440 how books should act, and don't. I don't think that's right. 439 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:12.559 I mean, if I had a nickel for each time 440 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.559 a book range teeth, I would have two Nikels. 441 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:16.880 And if I had a nipple for each time of 442 00:21:16.920 --> 00:21:19.759 book Green Teeth, I'd have two nipples, which is how 443 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:20.160 many I have. 444 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:21.640 It must have happened. 445 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.039 Gus mentions that the pages are changing and glitching, with 446 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:28.319 photos to show the book glitching out and even doing 447 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:29.240 a blue screen of. 448 00:21:29.240 --> 00:21:31.720 Death, and then he tweets a pick of a page 449 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:34.640 not in the regular book with a message directly to 450 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:41.759 him from Bill Ah, I guess I'll read this. Well, well, well, 451 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:44.240 here we are at last. I was wondering when I'd 452 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.440 finally get a chance to meet the famous ranger Gus Burnside, 453 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:50.599 big fan of all long, droning speeches you give to 454 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.240 the boy scouts about tick safety, by the way, and 455 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:58.680 your elk facts. Brother, don't get you started. Look, Khaki's 456 00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:01.240 you've never been the life of the party. What might 457 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.160 say that's why you left your hometown and everyone you 458 00:22:03.240 --> 00:22:05.119 knew behind to start a new life in the middle 459 00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:09.200 of nowhere. Cataloging bark, we both know your cutout for 460 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.799 something more. You've got a hell of a moral compass, buddy, 461 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.640 gets a bit tedious, doesn't it. How'd you like to 462 00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:18.640 take that compass for a spin? The Dorris who litter 463 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:21.839 your parks, those teens who make out buying the puma 464 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.839 taxidermy and the gift shop. That one coworker who never 465 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:30.640 stops doing bird calls. Wouldn't it be nice to make 466 00:22:30.680 --> 00:22:35.759 all those voices go away peace quiet. That's why you 467 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:40.519 came to the woods, isn't it? Gus? Was that a 468 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:43.759 reference to your bird call video that you caught on 469 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:46.720 Letterman before as a teenager? 470 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.319 You know, I one time ask career Al why the 471 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:52.440 number twenty seven appears in all of his songs, and 472 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:54.039 he said, Oh, I don't know. I just think it's 473 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.319 a funny number. So I think I just have You know, 474 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:59.720 that's just if I'm reaching for a dumb thing for 475 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:01.480 a part ranger to do, bird calls will be on 476 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.240 the mind. But it was conscious thought. Although I did 477 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.119 recently go back to people want to judge the bird 478 00:23:06.119 --> 00:23:10.519 calling contest that was that was a amazing I was 479 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.279 the celebrity judge. It was actually really lovely to go 480 00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:17.559 back to high school and be kind of a local celebrity. 481 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.319 Yeah, what was the best bird call? 482 00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:23.119 Look, I'm no ornithologist. The kids who seem to have 483 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:24.240 the most passion they got the. 484 00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:28.240 Points Okay, it's about what's in your heart. 485 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:28.559 Yeah. 486 00:23:28.880 --> 00:23:31.079 Gus then tweets the next day that he got terrible 487 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:34.119 headaches and nightmares and had locked the book in the basement. 488 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.039 He then goes to check it again smart. 489 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:40.640 He then tweets a video showing it infecting other books 490 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.680 with this strange stringy things attaching to the books as 491 00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:46.400 the Book of Bill gets closer to it. 492 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:49.200 Eventually, he has had enough and says he's gonna get 493 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:49.640 rid of it. 494 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.839 He tweets another video showing him burying the book and 495 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:55.720 on TikTok. The video has the AI voice. 496 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:57.960 Saying there you go back to hell. 497 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.680 Gus then returns to have a drink and posts a 498 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:06.119 video showing the book has returned and is now resting 499 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:08.680 behind several drinks in his cabinet. 500 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:11.440 He then decides he's going to burn the book, tweeting 501 00:24:11.640 --> 00:24:13.079 simply fire. 502 00:24:13.440 --> 00:24:16.279 After four whiskies, Gus goes to a Smoky the Bear 503 00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:18.839 cut out and apologizes to him for what he is 504 00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:21.759 about to do, holding the Book of Villain hand. 505 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.559 After which he tweets a video showing the Book of 506 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:25.640 Bill being burned. 507 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.920 Seeming happy it's over, Gus tweets a pick of him 508 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:32.880 cleaning the ashes within them, the burn paper spells out 509 00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.680 you shouldn't have done that. 510 00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:37.839 Can we talk about what it insane marketing tactic? It 511 00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:39.880 is to show the book that you want people to 512 00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:41.000 buy being burned. 513 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:44.000 Yeah, I mean that. The key to this is that 514 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:45.440 I did not run it by anybody. 515 00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:47.880 The key to yes, you got it. 516 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:51.400 Every single thing that you saw was a thing that 517 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.279 I did on my own time. I was just like, look, 518 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:58.400 I know what is the thing, So I'm just gonna 519 00:24:58.440 --> 00:25:00.599 do it. And nobody's gonna play when they look at 520 00:25:00.599 --> 00:25:02.519 those sales numbers. So I had, you know, I had 521 00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:06.160 so many mad dreams where I'm like, oh, you know, 522 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.200 this is a big company. We got a marketing department, 523 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.880 you know, can we actually get a billboard? 524 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:10.759 Can we do all this stuff? 525 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:13.839 And very quickly it becomes like no, like we're in 526 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:17.400 a recession. Even companies like Disney are tightening their belt. 527 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:20.640 The billboard is a metaphor anyway, right exactly, if it's 528 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:22.200 not gonna get me excited, it's not gonna get anybody 529 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.160 else excited. So I have to follow those crazy, stupid whims, 530 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.240 even if they don't make sense, even if my friends 531 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.119 at work are like, but what were you doing this weekend? 532 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.839 And I was like, oh, I was burning a book 533 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.200 on my roof. But then uh, like the fire got 534 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.799 out of hand, and now did that really happen? Yes, 535 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:38.680 And they're like, why were you doing? I'm like, you 536 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:40.799 just got to listen to what the demon says. Man like, 537 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:42.839 the demon knows the answers. I just got to follow 538 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:43.960 those weird hunches, you know. 539 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:47.880 Gus supposedly goes to sleep after that, with one last 540 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.519 tweet being made of just a black rectangle with no caption. 541 00:25:51.640 --> 00:25:55.480 Who would care about rectangles? That feels pretty meaningless. 542 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:59.079 Yeah, the black rectangles really feels like everything is said 543 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:01.319 and done and there's nothing there. And I don't really 544 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.200 know who would read too much into that. 545 00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:03.799 Yeah. 546 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:07.079 Two days after, on July twenty fourth, Oregon Parks Department 547 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.640 under a supposedly new Rangers Control tweet saying Gus is 548 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:13.839 God missing. There's a missing poster with an image of 549 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:16.799 Gus and a goat. His face is ripped off so 550 00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.119 we can't see it. It also says on the poster 551 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:21.799 that he was less seen near the Ranger station on 552 00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.359 July twenty second at eleven thirty pm, and that he 553 00:26:25.440 --> 00:26:28.319 is fifty three years old, five foot ten and one 554 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:29.480 hundred and ninety pounds. 555 00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:32.640 The next day, Alex You tweeted a pick with a 556 00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:36.839 number two Bill Seipher's Personal Injury Hotline, Hi, and. 557 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.559 Welcome to the Bill Seiper Personal Injury Hotline. Billzeipher will 558 00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.359 assist you in a moment, But first, are you in pain? 559 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:45.920 Pres one? Before you get I am in pain? 560 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.960 If you call it, Press one very good. 561 00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.599 If you've been hit by a buzz Rets one currently 562 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:56.519 being torn apart by wolves, Press two, being fit slowly 563 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:01.680 into a buz saw, Press three, are you currently on fire? Four? 564 00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:20.400 And then press four it plays up sorry God, which 565 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.319 seems to indicate that Bill had something to do with 566 00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:26.279 Gus's disappearance and that it was not good. 567 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.279 The last tweet from the Oregon's Park Department was on 568 00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:32.599 July thirty first, as a quote retweet from the Joshua 569 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.559 Tree National Park Service to Marked World Ranger Day. It 570 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.039 read if you knew him, either from his tick safety 571 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.279 workshops or his famous pine cone collection, please say a 572 00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:48.559 prayer for our lost ranger, Gus M. Burnside. 573 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.920 Your words of encouragement would mean a lot to his family. 574 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:59.599 While local law enforcement continues the search hashtag come back Gus. 575 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:06.440 Yeah, so we don't know anything. The Oregon Parks Department 576 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.880 Twitter has not tweeted since July thirty. First, we don't 577 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.960 know the ultimate fate of Gus byrdside on less you 578 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:15.119 wanted to say a little piece on that here. 579 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.559 Or at least a prayer and a eulogy. 580 00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:20.599 Yeah, I mean, you know, Gus is kind of like 581 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:23.640 he's sort of like a Hank Hill kind of a character, 582 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.279 just like, you know, he's just he's a fourth right, 583 00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.160 earnest kind of guy who really cares about nature. It's 584 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.960 sort of like if Hankhill went to Twin Peaks is 585 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:32.160 sort of the Gus bird Side. 586 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.720 Yeah, universe, what the hell is a bomb? Real shock for? 587 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.279 He bought a dobbible. 588 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:40.440 We're talking backwards. 589 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.079 I got a talk backwards day I saw from TV. 590 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:49.359 I love this character. You know the Simpsons writers Josh Weinstein, 591 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:52.000 Herron and Gravit Falls. He's a Simpsons, amazing Simpsons writer. Sure, 592 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.880 his favorite character, right was Principal Skinner because there's just 593 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.680 something very funny about you know, a Bart Simpson plays 594 00:28:57.680 --> 00:29:01.519 great against a Principal Skinner. Bill sihera great against characters. 595 00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:05.200 That's sort of kind of stuffy, out of touch, and 596 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.960 you know, don't really care for cartoons. They angry up 597 00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.359 the blood, you know. And I can't say anything about 598 00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.920 Gus's fate, but I will say that I am deeply 599 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.079 invested in the world of Gus Burnside, even though it 600 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:19.319 is a completely bizarre, ancillary thing to the Bill Cipher 601 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.240 Gravity Falls Universe. 602 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:24.680 Do you want to just real quick, hkaka that GFN 603 00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:26.759 our guest in the previous episode. Our guest in the 604 00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.720 previous episode did all the research. 605 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:30.759 For this segment? Yeah? 606 00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:34.000 Please, please please If you haven't heard the previous episode 607 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:36.960 where we covered the Gravity Falls final soundtrack with him, 608 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:39.920 do that. I know it's not as enticing as the 609 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.160 Book of Bill, but that's what Bill wants you to think. Yes, 610 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.039 the image of the other books being infected. It is 611 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.519 illustrated in the book on one of the first pages 612 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.880 by Ford trawn Bon. 613 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.920 This one is done by Emmy Cesarieika. 614 00:29:55.119 --> 00:30:00.200 You also paid out of your own pocket for a 615 00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.759 display at Barnes and Noble of the Book of Bill 616 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.079 infecting other books? What How? 617 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:07.319 Did? 618 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:07.960 How? 619 00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:09.079 Why? 620 00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.319 The very first idea, literally the first email I sent 621 00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:15.240 to Disney after we started talking about doing the Book 622 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:17.160 of Bill. I was like, I'll do it if I 623 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.000 can do this stand and I just drew it on 624 00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:20.720 like a little sticky note like it's going to be 625 00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.359 in the center, it's going to possess the books. And 626 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:24.200 they're like, yes, yes, yes, okay, we'll do it. We'll 627 00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:25.880 do it. When it finally came down to there, like 628 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.079 we're out of budget, and I was like, okay, how 629 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.480 much does it cost. I'll pay for the damn thing myself, 630 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.079 like I wanted to see it so badly. And the 631 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.079 thing is like it paid off times a thousand because 632 00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.640 I posted a TikTok video of that and it's got 633 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.680 seventeen point five million views, which is like, I mean, 634 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.160 you think about how many views that is, Like the 635 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.319 gravity of this finale was maybe seen, you know, on 636 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:51.039 air when it aired, like five million consecutive views, Like 637 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:54.200 that's an unbelievably viral TikTok video for an account that 638 00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:56.319 only existed four days prior to it being posted. 639 00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:59.440 Take that, Nielsen writings, and it really, you know, it 640 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:00.000 really helped. 641 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.799 So I mean, I just try to make the stuff 642 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:03.759 that would get me excited, and I just I think 643 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.480 we're so used to, especially with like there's just constant 644 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:10.000 promotions for everything all the time. We're inundated with it, 645 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:12.039 and most of it is sort of without a lot 646 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.000 of thought or creativity or interactivity, and it's like the 647 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:17.759 only way to punch through and this attention economy is 648 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:19.559 to create stuff that gets me excited. 649 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:23.680 I feel like you're constantly reinventing like ways to create 650 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:28.119 new things for this. Yeah, it's like, it's really amazing 651 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.519 how inventive you are with this book, with the social 652 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:33.720 media campaign. You're a legend. 653 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.680 Man, Oh thank you. It's making TV is really really hard. 654 00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.559 Making a book is pretty hard. Making a ad campaign 655 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.200 is fun and easy. So it's sort of the same 656 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:46.839 thing that I said, you know, in our last podcast 657 00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:48.599 about being a professional goblin or whatever. 658 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:51.759 It's like a worldwide treasure hut is so much easier 659 00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.279 than making one episode of a cartoon. 660 00:31:54.039 --> 00:32:01.039 Infinitely infinitely easier, and creating websites and codes and billboards 661 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.319 and secret stuff like is just pure joy. It's just 662 00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:05.160 a delight. 663 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:06.000 So I was. 664 00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.599 I found it to be very rewarding, and I'm so 665 00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.000 happy that people have been enjoying it. 666 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:13.680 Speaking more on the budgetary limitations kind of affecting what 667 00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:16.559 you can do with the company itself, which again I 668 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:19.880 think speaks to this weird new media landscape where the 669 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.319 DIY stuff does exponentially better than what you could accomplish 670 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.160 with Like you know, you've compared working with Disney to 671 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.839 like it's like having a pet dinosaur, Like sometimes it'll 672 00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:33.880 lumber around, it might knock stuff over. It's it's kind 673 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:35.960 of too powerful for its own good. But you know, 674 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.599 you can also accomplish things on the ground in smaller 675 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.119 scale that end up snowballing better. But more specifically, you 676 00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.599 said you wanted to incorporate a lot of like multimedia 677 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.960 like physical props like in the book, you know, talking 678 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.240 more facetiously, you know, you said like in a perfect 679 00:32:53.240 --> 00:32:56.960 world to be live bees. But were there other specific 680 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.039 things that you wanted to include in the book, like 681 00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.480 in terms of tax tile features that were out of 682 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.319 the question. 683 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.880 I mean, yeah, I mean the thing is like, you know, 684 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:11.119 Bill is an incredibly visual character. He's you know, transforming, 685 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:13.079 and it's like if the genie from a Laddin wrote 686 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.799 a book, you'd be like, why am I looking at text? 687 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.160 I want to see this guy transforming? Yeah, And so 688 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:19.400 it's it's sort of impossible to do a book that 689 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:23.240 is as chaotic as Bill would really be. So it's like, 690 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.960 you know, I did everything I could within the media 691 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:27.759 to try to communicate that chaos. But you know, of 692 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.400 course I asked the company for everything you can imagine. 693 00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.000 I was like, you know, can we have you know, 694 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.599 I wanted there to be this bookmark that had like 695 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:37.359 sort of three D glasses material that would like reveal 696 00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:39.640 certain colors I wanted to do. 697 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:41.319 I had. 698 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.599 I remember having like activity books when I was a 699 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.680 kid that would come with magnets or like wheels that 700 00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:48.519 you can turn with decoder stuff in them, or that 701 00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.240 would have like you know plastic you know layers where 702 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:53.079 it's like the human body and you're removing the lungs 703 00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:55.000 and you're removing the skin and like and I had 704 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.079 so many I remember, you know, early Internet, like angel 705 00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:00.640 Fire website, days like you got your infrom as like 706 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.000 a kid from like all these kind of cool interactive 707 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:05.319 sort of like fun like science books. And I just 708 00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:07.400 wanted to have like the most amount of optical illusions, 709 00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.480 the most amount of crazy things you could possibly I mean, 710 00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:13.000 the other thing I really wanted to do, like should 711 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.280 I say this now I can. I wanted to put 712 00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.840 in randomized differences. I wanted there to be like five 713 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.400 variations of the book with certain particular randomized differences, that 714 00:34:23.519 --> 00:34:26.719 people would discover those differences and then realized that they 715 00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.960 had almost been sorted into different categories, almost like Harry Potterhouses. 716 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.519 Like or like the three endings of Clue. 717 00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:34.760 It wasn't going to be like major stuff like an 718 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:36.400 ending change or whatever. It was going to be more 719 00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:40.599 like Bill Seifer has sort of designated you the reader 720 00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:43.159 in a certain way that is randomized by the book 721 00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.280 that you happen to pick up. You know, they just 722 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.800 said that, like if you print variations of a book, 723 00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.480 it has different ISDN numbers, which means that won't tally 724 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.760 the New York Times list as one book, it'll tally 725 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:53.280 as five. 726 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.559 Oh okay, you could have gotten. 727 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.119 Five New York Times best sellers for one book. 728 00:34:58.159 --> 00:34:59.519 With how big this has been. 729 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.239 I'm not the kind of guy who believes that the 730 00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:03.840 stove is hot until I touch it, So like I'm 731 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.079 constantly testing to see, like can we do this? Can 732 00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.880 we can we encourage a book that you rip in half? 733 00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:10.360 Can we have a book that's ten books, and you know, 734 00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.320 like out of every thirty questions you ask, you know, 735 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:14.800 like one of them, they're like, we can do that. 736 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:18.960 So there's the about the author section sort of. 737 00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.239 For you on the book jacket there. 738 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.880 Yeah, it's nazzy jacket, I must say, hmm, not a sweater. No, 739 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.639 but it does similar to Journal three's jacket having sort 740 00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.679 of a secret on the inside with the blueprint of 741 00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:36.079 the shack Tron. This gives us the paper that was 742 00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.000 in the last Maple Corn where it's sort of a 743 00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.480 diagram of our world, the mind scape and then the 744 00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:45.599 Nightmare Realm. And then four does like that evil version 745 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.159 of the Mad magazine fold in where you know, the 746 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.760 Nightmare Realm comes to our world. 747 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.119 And if you're interested in dust I also have a 748 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:52.840 dust Buster. 749 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.199 That's true. It's a quaint little piece from the nineteen eighties. 750 00:35:56.920 --> 00:35:59.679 We're curious if you would give us a reading on 751 00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:00.679 your own a bio. 752 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.199 Sure you just want me to read the author bio. Yeah, yeah, 753 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.119 as as Bill Cipher or as myself. 754 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.000 Use your judgment of how it sounds in your head. 755 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.000 Sorry, one moment, let me grab a book. I think 756 00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:11.760 I got one near Fire. 757 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:13.480 You got twenty of them. 758 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:14.599 Built your house out of them. 759 00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:17.800 Hi friends, I'm Alex Hirst, creator of Gravity Town, and 760 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.559 I'm definitely not possessed by a demon. Right now, I'm 761 00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:22.760 using my normal human hands to write a message in 762 00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:24.239 stupid human letters commanding you. 763 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.000 To buy the Book of Bill immediately. 764 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.400 This book contains the never before revealed true story of 765 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.119 Bill Cipher, his most cryptic riddles, darkest deals, and great 766 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:33.400 advice for what to do with your sad, pathetic life. 767 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:37.239 And it's written by the greatest writer of all time, Callibserb. 768 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.159 The human, a regular man made of meat and goo. 769 00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:40.840 Alex isn't dead. 770 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.280 He's fine. 771 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:41.719 He's fine. 772 00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.079 He's fine, He's fine. 773 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:43.880 I'm fine. 774 00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:47.480 Hell, they perfect, amazing. 775 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:48.719 Wow? 776 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:51.079 What was it like to be possessed? 777 00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:51.320 There? 778 00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:51.840 Oh? 779 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:52.280 Was great? 780 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.480 God, just five minutes outside of my own brain was 781 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:56.239 a lovely vacation, my blessing. 782 00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.360 Yeah, I have adhd as well. I catch you. 783 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:03.960 And then The back cover contains a few review quotes. 784 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.800 This one is from the artist formerly known as Weird 785 00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.960 al Yankovic. I thought I liked things that were weird, 786 00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.719 but I was wrong. This book was too weird for me. 787 00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.519 I feel maucious just thinking about the horrifying psychosis contained within. 788 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.599 I'm legally changing my name to normal Al now and 789 00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:25.960 pushing all my Hawaiian shirts out to sea on a barge. 790 00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.199 I'll avoid this book at all costs. 791 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.039 Ella, you announced in our discord server that now that 792 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:31.920 the name is open. 793 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:34.119 Oh that's right, Yes, I'm weird Al Now. 794 00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:38.119 I decided there wasn't another one out there. There can 795 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.559 only be one. Yes, it's like the Santa Claus. You 796 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:46.000 put on the Hawaiian shirt. You're the weird guy, the weird. 797 00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.239 Clause the night the Santa Claus went crazy. 798 00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:51.119 The second quote on the back is I found this 799 00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:55.199 arcane volume in a musty isle oft the most accursed 800 00:37:55.320 --> 00:38:01.119 of libraries. Nightly visitations by foul spirits commenced most immediately. 801 00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.960 It has infected my mind and my dreams, and it 802 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:09.000 will destroy your sanity for all that is good and holy. 803 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.679 Stay away from it, and whatever you do, do not 804 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:15.760 read it. Attributed to Guiermo del Toro. 805 00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:19.559 These are not encouraging reviews, but I guess maybe the 806 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.079 last one will well now. 807 00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:25.880 So the last one says, look, I hate to disagree 808 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:28.639 with Giermo and normal Al, but I love this thing 809 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:32.000 ever since I read it, I keep hearing this screaming 810 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.760 in my plain that won't stop and buy the GotY 811 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.719 for everyone I know. We love Bell, we love Bell, 812 00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:40.320 we love. 813 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:45.119 Bell, and that is by Charlie Day. You're welcome for 814 00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:45.960 that impression. 815 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.079 Charlie, what the hell are you talking about? 816 00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:52.360 So the book itself is a beautiful feat of multimedia 817 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:55.320 and inventive storytelling. A lot of the writers and board 818 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:58.199 artists from the show itself did return to create pieces 819 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.159 of photography and illustrate some pieces, even being three D 820 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:04.840 modeled and printed to create the art. I'll say that, 821 00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:07.639 like on the subject of the artists, there are several 822 00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:10.639 artists that came in, Like the powerhouses are definitely Emmy 823 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:13.679 ceciriega Ian Worrel and Joe Pitt, And I know that 824 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.559 Jeffrey Thompson worked on the show, and there are a 825 00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.360 few other artists. But there's a ton of brand new artists. 826 00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:19.880 Can you tell us a little bit about how you 827 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:20.880 found those artists. 828 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:23.159 I mean, the you know, extraordinary thing about Gravity Falls 829 00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:25.760 is enduring legacy is that all these incredible new people 830 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:28.639 are always finding it, and so many amazing artists that 831 00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:31.440 I love and respect. Since the series has concluded. You know, 832 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:33.760 they follow me, they're fans, they do fan art, or 833 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.000 I just dig their stuff. And so the sort of 834 00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:38.199 high profileness of Gravity Falls allowed me to kind of 835 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.679 just message anybody whose stuff I thought looked awesome on 836 00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:42.760 Instagram or Twitter and just say like, hey, any chance 837 00:39:42.840 --> 00:39:46.000 you'd be down, And they were always down. So it 838 00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.159 really was the sort of this great chance to sort 839 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:51.599 of old artists new artists, people who were fans when 840 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.760 the show was airing that are now artists that were 841 00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:54.639 inspired by the show. 842 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:56.920 Yeah. So in the description for this podcast, we will 843 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:01.599 have links to the artist master doc which includes links 844 00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:04.000 to all of the tweets and Instagram posts that we 845 00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.880 are going to talk about in this It'll also have 846 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:10.840 a link to the artist page Comparison, which has the 847 00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.000 listing of the pages in the regular edition and the 848 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.920 limited edition Barnes and Noble edition, so that you can 849 00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:21.480 figure out like the artists conglomerated on each page. So 850 00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.920 the premise of the book is that the reader makes 851 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.000 a contract with William the Spooky Pyramid himself to gain 852 00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:30.360 access to unlimited weirdness and knowledge by feeding the book 853 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.480 with their own blood. 854 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.559 I mean, no one would would actually do that, right, 855 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.719 I mean that would be painful and terrifying. 856 00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:40.320 Yes, well he. 857 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.559 Did say paper cuts would be awarded to special listeners, 858 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.519 so some of it might be unintentional. 859 00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:47.280 Yeah that's true. 860 00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.719 Yeah, So we're going to get into kind of bit 861 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:52.760 by bit in a second. But I just I love 862 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:53.559 this book. 863 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:55.639 It's beautiful, Like. 864 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.519 I definitely got the vibe Alex. 865 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.280 You're in your element in this kind of stream of 866 00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:08.320 consciousness sort of writing, because it's constantly shifting genres and 867 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:14.039 sometimes it's historical trivia and sometimes it's weird parodies and 868 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.239 every page looks different from the last, but it's all 869 00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:19.360 one cohesive narrative. 870 00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:21.159 Yeah. I mean, we'll get into it later, but I 871 00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.039 think I was really struck by, particularly the strength of character, 872 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.039 even in something as chaotic as this. 873 00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:27.360 I love this book. 874 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:30.199 I like I was going in as someone who was 875 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:33.800 a YouTuber when Billzeipher was popular, doing Billzeipher voices, just 876 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:37.599 getting annoyed with my child audience, thinking I was a 877 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:42.199 real demon, and I was like going in like, ah, 878 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.639 this book's not going to win me over, and it's 879 00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.079 just I love it so much. I reread it right 880 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:51.840 before the recording, and there were lines that I had 881 00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:55.400 forgotten about that made me like laugh out loud. And 882 00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:58.679 I was reading this on the beach of the Black Sea, 883 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.199 and there was a couple of Russians partying a few 884 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:03.159 feet for me, and that kept like staring at me 885 00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.119 when I was laughing alone with a book. 886 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.320 That is one of the side effects of the book Avilion. 887 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:13.559 You know, it begins with Ford telling us, hey, don't 888 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.920 read this book. He's a bit of a grover here, 889 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.760 isn't it there. 890 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.639 Yeah, there is a monster at the Yeah. 891 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.239 A monster in this book. Yes, And so then there's 892 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:28.000 a page to write your name like the Golden books 893 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:32.440 would have at the beginning. But it's creepy. And then uh, 894 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:37.760 Bill laughs for I think three four straight pages. 895 00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:42.599 Yes, it's two full spreads, yes, including a very creepy 896 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:47.119 like It reminds me of that gift of SpongeBob bursting 897 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:49.679 through the wall of the Krusty Krab where it's cg 898 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.840 until he. 899 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:54.760 Yeah, because each page it progresses with him bursting through 900 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:56.079 the paper of the book. 901 00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:57.119 Credibly unsettling. 902 00:42:57.199 --> 00:43:00.320 And this particular image was done by Ian Worrel, of 903 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:01.760 course it was, of course it was. 904 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:04.920 He's a Swiss army knife and Ron Swanson and won 905 00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:07.039 He's made out of Swiss army knives and he could 906 00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:07.639 do anything. 907 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.880 So he posted this on August fourteenth, twenty twenty four, 908 00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:13.960 and it says more work from the hashtag Book of Bill, 909 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:18.000 hashtag blender saving me from painting folds. Character assists from 910 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.679 my bud at pitt Win, which is Joe pitt And 911 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.000 the post includes several three D models of Bill in motion, 912 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.079 and it also includes the slot machine, stand pick and 913 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.719 the therapy pick from later in the book. 914 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:31.679 So then sort of the plot of the book really 915 00:43:31.719 --> 00:43:36.679 takes off with Bill directly engaging with you where you 916 00:43:36.800 --> 00:43:41.039 are a character in this book. The book is constantly 917 00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:45.440 at interplay with you, the reader, kind of like Journal three, 918 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:46.599 but definitely goes further. 919 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.960 I mean like Journal three and the NonStop Fun Book. 920 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.320 It's kind of like a mix of those but dark. 921 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:56.199 Yeah, also true and Alex was that always a goal 922 00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.639 to sort of make it an active conversation with the 923 00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:01.360 reader and sort of with the fans. 924 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:03.599 By extension, Bill does not have the attention span to 925 00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.159 write a book. I don't think he could sustain the 926 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.360 third person for very long. He would constantly be breaking 927 00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.239 and arguing with you and with himself. I mean, I 928 00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:14.480 think that is something I learned very quickly when I 929 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.079 started writing. Bill is most interesting when he's in a 930 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:20.719 dialogue with somebody, when there's somebody to push back against 931 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.760 him and Ruffly's feathers and make him sort of contradict 932 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:24.960 himself and telling himself. 933 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:25.280 Yeah. 934 00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.719 So I want to go over this page. 935 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.239 It's like a mock of the copyright page at the 936 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.119 beginning of a book, and it says published by Bill 937 00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.480 Cipher Press and imprint of Bill Ceipher Books. No part 938 00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.480 or form of this book may be reproduced or transmitted 939 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:43.920 in any form or by any means electronic or mechanical, 940 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:48.159 including photocopying, or by any information storage and retrieval system 941 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:53.239 unless you really want to you can. Who cares, right, 942 00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.840 It's just a book. Have fun with it, knock. 943 00:44:56.679 --> 00:44:58.920 Yourself out, nothing matters. 944 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.320 We're all gonna die anyway. Go on copy this book. 945 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.920 I dare you. There's obviously a lot of not TV 946 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:07.480 y seven stuff in here. 947 00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:09.079 And I know that was, you know, your. 948 00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:11.519 Initial pitch for the book. But the one that drove 949 00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:17.320 me the absolute craziest was the permission to commit piracy 950 00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:22.639 in the copyright page, I'm like, I can't imagine a 951 00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:26.280 universe of a version of Disney that okayed that. 952 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.800 I mean, the thing is, originally it was a lot 953 00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:30.800 worse than that. It was. At the bottom of it, 954 00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:31.440 he said. 955 00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:33.199 For more good advice, take all the bottles of chemicals 956 00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.280 under your sync, put them into a jug down. 957 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:36.039 The hatch, enjoy. 958 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:36.840 Oh my god. 959 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:39.840 And They're like, maybe we should't encourage the readers to 960 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:42.119 literally drink poison. I was like, you know what, Disney, 961 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:43.760 You're right, You're right. 962 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.159 The piracy part seemed acceptable by comparison. 963 00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:48.800 I mean for the part for the truth is. I'm like, 964 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.320 I'm never really trying to get away with anything. I'm 965 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.719 just trying. I'm just trying to be Bill, and like 966 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.920 whatever Bill says, I write down, and then yeah, we 967 00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.239 see what they have a problem with. 968 00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:01.119 You're just living the truth. You're living Bill's truth. 969 00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.519 There's a few situations where I very much, you know, 970 00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:05.199 would write something and then just not even send it 971 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.000 to Disney because I'm like, oh, this is too insane, 972 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:09.559 because like, you know, if it really was Bill, he 973 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.440 would just the entire book be telling people explicitly how 974 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.639 to commit acts of stochastic terrorism. Like it would be 975 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.119 a full on instruction to incite a riot. So you know, 976 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.920 you have to find a version of Bill that is 977 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.440 true to the voice of the show, but also isn't 978 00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.079 getting me liable for lawsuits everywhere. 979 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.320 So on that page, also at the bottom, there is 980 00:46:32.599 --> 00:46:35.960 the sentence for more Bill Cipher press fun. This is 981 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.559 not a website dot com, dot com. 982 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.559 So the Book of Bill, obviously a lot of work 983 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:42.320 went into it. 984 00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:44.119 This is not a website dot com. 985 00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:47.599 Seems like there's an equal amount of work put into it. 986 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.679 And I can't imagine producing those simultaneously. 987 00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.039 Like what was that? 988 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:56.519 Like I realized while I was writing the book, Oh no, 989 00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.199 oh crap. Bill and his energy and his vibe do 990 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.320 not lend themselves best to a book, nor do they 991 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.039 lend themselves best to a TV show. They lend themselves 992 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:09.159 best to some kind of interactive medium like an escape 993 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.519 room or a mio wolf or a video game or 994 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:15.079 a magic show. And a book can't do that. And 995 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:16.800 a lot of the things that I wanted to do, 996 00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.199 you know, I was like, I want to create a 997 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.280 weird song. I want to have something that is you 998 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.760 know that you can click on an interact with mult 999 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.920 was impossible. So I started creating all these parts of 1000 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:30.480 the book that then I was like, this doesn't work 1001 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.320 as a book. And so I had all this kind 1002 00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.079 of like additional ideas and stuff that I didn't know 1003 00:47:35.119 --> 00:47:38.039 what to do with. And then I was like, oh, oh, okay. 1004 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.559 You know. I did the schmebe Unlocked website for Lost Legends, 1005 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.880 and I was like, what's the bill version of that. 1006 00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:47.760 I was like, oh, it would be infinitely more. And 1007 00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.920 I've never made like a point and click adventure or 1008 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:55.199 whatever before, but I just like, I have to entertain myself, 1009 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.239 you know, you got to follow the weird impulse where 1010 00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.719 it goes. And it's the most I honestly, it's the 1011 00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:01.880 most one I've had since the Cipher Hunt putting that together, 1012 00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.800 and I was so thrilled watching fantastic experience it and 1013 00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:08.800 going on TikTok and seeing people you know, live typing 1014 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.280 stuff in and arguing with each other and so much fun. Yeah, 1015 00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.000 professional goblin, man, that's the way to go. 1016 00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:17.320 And I know that the screen was it's a Lip 1017 00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.440 Camarello design, right. 1018 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:21.800 Yeah, Lip crushed it, man, And thank goodness, because that 1019 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:23.480 was a favor. I was like, Lip, can you can 1020 00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:25.800 you please help me out with this, because if you don't, 1021 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.480 it's just gonna be my drawing sharpie on paper. And 1022 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.280 he's like, I got your brother. I was like, we 1023 00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.800 got three days to get this thing done. 1024 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:37.559 Man, let's move And it is wonderful. It has tunes, games, characters, downloads, email. 1025 00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:39.199 Thank you. 1026 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:42.440 Actually, I will admit that I reached out to Matt 1027 00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.519 Chatman when I was working on the website and said, 1028 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.199 do you have any suggestions, And it was his idea 1029 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:50.159 to have entering Giffanny corrupt your computer and download files. 1030 00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:51.519 Is your pomp Pom in there? 1031 00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:53.480 I wish? I wish there was a pompom in there. 1032 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.639 Oh, I heard that there's a bubbling sound. That's like 1033 00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:57.920 that was just a bubble. Bubbling sounds can only sound 1034 00:48:58.519 --> 00:48:59.159 like bubbles. 1035 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:00.320 You know. 1036 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.519 I do believe the nicker Man is in there somewhere 1037 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.000 if you look hard enough. Really, No, that wouldn't that 1038 00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:05.559 be amazing? 1039 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.480 You're lying to the Alex would you do that? 1040 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:11.920 Just tell a fandom lies? 1041 00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:16.320 But I think for the most part, we want to 1042 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:19.440 save discussion of the this is not a website website 1043 00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.239 for another podcast. Maybe put a hidden link to it 1044 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.199 in this podcast, like a secret. 1045 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.199 Yeah, but if it's a secret, then why are we 1046 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.000 telling them. 1047 00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:30.559 That's that's true? Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. 1048 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:38.480 Go back, I'll say that again. Okay, codes, there are 1049 00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:40.519 no codes in this podcast one? 1050 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:42.920 Why would you even think of that there were? 1051 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.840 Don't look at the podcast thumbnail too closely, though, I. 1052 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.760 Mean, admire the beautiful artwork, of course, yes, but you know, 1053 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.880 no further than that. 1054 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:53.639 You'll strain your eyes, you know, And if you strain 1055 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.360 your eyes you'll have to call the eyeball doc. 1056 00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:58.039 Yeah, and no one really knows what that guy's name is. 1057 00:49:58.079 --> 00:49:59.320 Who can even remember? 1058 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:03.800 After this is great? There's a parody covers of a 1059 00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:05.639 bunch of different genres of books. 1060 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:10.159 Yes, yes, so the book covers were done by Emmy, 1061 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.599 Joe and Ian. I know for sure that Emmy's book 1062 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.239 covers were the Spookums. 1063 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:16.920 Spook Spook Them Ups, the. 1064 00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:20.239 Spook Them Ups, and the Love Triangle. 1065 00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:23.559 Yeah. Gee, I couldn't have I couldn't tell who did 1066 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.199 the Love Triangle one? Wow, that was really. 1067 00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:31.039 A signature on that art would be redundant. But she 1068 00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:35.119 did her own series of Disney parody comics, including one 1069 00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:37.840 where Grandmother Willow starts climbing out. 1070 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.320 Yes, oh my gosh, yes, I forgot about that one. 1071 00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:44.000 It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. 1072 00:50:44.079 --> 00:50:47.679 In her tweet on August twentieth, she revealed that those 1073 00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:49.079 are the two that she did. 1074 00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.960 I also love on the next page, the photoshop parody toolbars. 1075 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.920 Yes, do you want to read us the toolbar there? 1076 00:50:57.039 --> 00:51:02.480 Yeah, So our options include free, trans form, scale, rotate, skew, 1077 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:08.920 torture physically, torture, mentally, removing testines, stab vertically, stab, horizontally, 1078 00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.559 chop into pieces, put in garbage bag, wash hands. Put 1079 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.079 garbage bag in river. The river is quiet, The river 1080 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.079 keeps its secrets. No one will know. Rotate one to eighty, 1081 00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:23.599 rotate eighteen thousand, rotate until time reverses to a backflip way. 1082 00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:26.840 So there's a portal in the top and a portal 1083 00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:27.599 down at the bottom. 1084 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:30.079 Oh there is okay, Yes, yes, that is portal. Okay. 1085 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:35.239 I did a lot of drawing and editing on this book. 1086 00:51:35.239 --> 00:51:38.199 I taught myself in design. There's a lot of work 1087 00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.199 to do, and so I taught myself how to do 1088 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:41.840 a number of things together. 1089 00:51:41.840 --> 00:51:45.400 Seeing you in design and form that parody photoshop tool bar, Yes, 1090 00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:46.719 one hundred, very alive. 1091 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.199 Yeah, yeah, I made that. I made all those those 1092 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:50.960 icons for the for the fake photog. 1093 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:54.199 Yeah, they're so good. I personally really like the rat, 1094 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:55.639 but that's very odd brand for me. 1095 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.920 Here's one of the instances where you have to give 1096 00:51:58.960 --> 00:51:59.920 your blood to Bill. 1097 00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.599 He's always asking for eighties, like, always soliciting those donations. 1098 00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:07.440 If you for just for just a quart of blood. 1099 00:52:07.440 --> 00:52:09.440 To day, democracy is at stake. 1100 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.000 We need your book, all right. So the next part 1101 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.400 is the sort of like the anatomy of a book, 1102 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.800 which is probably one of my favorite pictures in this 1103 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:17.880 segment where. 1104 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:20.119 The spine contains a literal spine. 1105 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.840 Yeah, the capture the captua I am not Dipper Pines. 1106 00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:28.760 I love that he specifically like hates Dipper like probably 1107 00:52:28.800 --> 00:52:30.639 more than anyone in the Pines family. 1108 00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.519 I think Stanley probably takes the cake. 1109 00:52:33.639 --> 00:52:36.199 Yeah, he would, he would, he would take he would 1110 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:37.239 take forty. 1111 00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.679 Kiss as many as four tens. 1112 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:39.280 That's terrible. 1113 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.320 I'm also thinking about in the Reddit ama that Bill 1114 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.639 did responding to a user called not Dipper Pines. He 1115 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:49.440 just encourages him to rub alifanio peppers into his eyes. 1116 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.119 I'm obsessed with the shirt on the next page, that 1117 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:57.159 says I'm a little different. 1118 00:52:57.480 --> 00:52:59.480 I'm gonna be wearing that shirt on Sunday. 1119 00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:00.920 You made that shirt? 1120 00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:02.199 No, my friend made it for me. 1121 00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:08.599 That's a yes. Then we get into this like Gossip Magazine. 1122 00:53:08.239 --> 00:53:10.199 The Bill size side for show. 1123 00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:12.639 But he's on like this parody Ellen set. 1124 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.760 Like yes, and I like the the how do you 1125 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.079 wear pants? The toxic Gossip train? 1126 00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.039 No, the toxic gossip train reference is insane to me. 1127 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.119 I mean, I just you know, I think there was 1128 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:28.400 a because that section was an interview, right, It's like, yeah, 1129 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.239 what would you say to Bill if he was alive? 1130 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.760 You know, do you have any regrets? You know, was 1131 00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.400 weird to get a mistake? And you know, the idea 1132 00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:38.480 of at first it was, you know, Bill being like, 1133 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:40.400 you're lucky it happened. It's the most interesting thing that 1134 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:42.400 happened to your dimensions, Like no, no, no, no, no, what 1135 00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.079 is the funnier thing? A funny thing is for the 1136 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:47.320 celebrity to be like I already addressed that in my apology. Yeah, 1137 00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.800 and to be like the most like rinky dank stupid 1138 00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:53.199 video like with the xylophone, humanly possible. Yeah, I was 1139 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.599 not expecting that particular gag to pop off as much 1140 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.840 as it did, and people were losing their minds over it. 1141 00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:03.280 Well, I mean it happened in real life. There really 1142 00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:05.199 was an apology video song. 1143 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.480 I mean it's sort of a trope now, the celebrity 1144 00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.599 apology video I did write. I wrote a couple of 1145 00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:11.480 different Bill interviews, and like that section was the one 1146 00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:12.760 that I ended up putting in the book, But I 1147 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:14.480 wrote one that was like I thought I nailed it. 1148 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:15.760 It was like a parody of like a sort of 1149 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.639 GQ interview with like a kind of cool older celebrity, 1150 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:20.760 like a, oh, we sat down with George Clooney and 1151 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:24.320 his Brownstone to discuss his new brand of mescal and 1152 00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:26.480 also does he think he made any missteps in his career? 1153 00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:28.360 You know, describing like, oh, you know Bill Sipher in 1154 00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:30.559 person is every every but the triangle demon, you thing, 1155 00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.199 but he's got a few tricks up his sleeve. Would 1156 00:54:32.199 --> 00:54:33.000 you do anything differently? 1157 00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:34.559 And it's oh, yes, of course, you know that was 1158 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.400 you know, I was in my early twenty billions when 1159 00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:36.760 I did that. 1160 00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.280 You know, I've broken laugh And it was like describing 1161 00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:42.119 him having like two little Pomeranians and like a pickleball Court, 1162 00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:44.800 and it was like everything about it was like completely 1163 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:46.880 off cannon and insane, and it was like I thought 1164 00:54:46.920 --> 00:54:48.719 it would be really funny to include something that was 1165 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.039 so incorrect, but then I read it in context, I 1166 00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:53.440 was like, this is gonna make people furious, like suggesting 1167 00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:56.920 that like like Bill is living in some apartment in 1168 00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:58.559 New York, like for the gag. 1169 00:54:58.440 --> 00:55:01.639 Right, that's his dream retire. Then we start to get 1170 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.559 some live action photo incorporation on the the Icy All 1171 00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:07.400 page done by Ian Worrell. 1172 00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:08.480 Yeah. 1173 00:55:08.679 --> 00:55:11.079 Yeah, and there's a lot of that. I think even 1174 00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.960 in the series proper, there's a few moments of live 1175 00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:20.159 action footage associated with Bill as this like unsettling. Uh, 1176 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:23.880 when you're doing animation or you know, just two D characters, 1177 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.679 like live action footage is gonna be either hilarious or horrifying, 1178 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.639 Like SpongeBob is a great example of like live action 1179 00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:33.320 footage for comedy, but then they also use it for 1180 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:35.159 horror at some points, like with Wormy. 1181 00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:37.440 I mean, like I think they did it on Flapjack 1182 00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.239 a few times too, and for sure on Gumball, and 1183 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.800 it's unsettling every time. 1184 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:44.360 But I mean I want to I do want to 1185 00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:45.320 mention Cherna Bill. 1186 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.000 Yes, so there is a reference to Fantasia Night on 1187 00:55:49.119 --> 00:55:49.760 Bald Mountain. 1188 00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:53.000 This is a Joe Pitt illustration, And he said on 1189 00:55:53.079 --> 00:55:57.599 August twenty seven, four layout illustration for Alex Hirsch at 1190 00:55:57.719 --> 00:56:00.760 Disney Books. Hashtag Book of Bill. We weren't allowed to 1191 00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:03.760 use direct in a bog reference. Swipe right to see 1192 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:08.119 the original hashtag gravity falls, hashtag Bill Siper, hashtag Fantasia, 1193 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.760 hashtag churnabog. And the original image that they were going 1194 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.280 to use was a yellow version with spirits instead of 1195 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:15.960 the symbols. 1196 00:56:17.559 --> 00:56:20.920 I mean, it could have fooled me, not that I'm 1197 00:56:20.920 --> 00:56:25.039 always watching Fantasia, but I assumed it was, you know, 1198 00:56:25.079 --> 00:56:25.880 an edit of. 1199 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:29.199 I Try to spend my nights off Bald Mountain personally. 1200 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:32.360 Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a page where Bill is starting 1201 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.280 to talk about his weaknesses and then he kind of 1202 00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:39.639 like Emperor's New Groove style, pushes the paija yeah and 1203 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:40.840 interrupts himself. 1204 00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.360 Yeah. Bill, getting self conscious that you're reading about his weaknesses, 1205 00:56:44.840 --> 00:56:48.440 decides that the Book of Bill is canceled and you're 1206 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:53.320 reading Great Gatsby instead. And we had talked before about 1207 00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.800 in Boss Mabel, when Stan is in his Hawaiian shirt. 1208 00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:04.440 It is absurdly specifically the exact outfit that is seen 1209 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:08.400 in My Breakfast with Blass, the film by Andy Kauffman. 1210 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:10.559 That's fine, So it's. 1211 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:14.960 Worth pointing out that during Andy Kaufman's shows, when he 1212 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:19.519 felt the audience was not responding well to them, he 1213 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:24.039 would start reading Great Gatsby to them instead. Once they 1214 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:25.920 were clearly bored of it, go do you want me 1215 00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:27.320 to keep reading? Or would you want me to just 1216 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:29.559 put on a record for you guys? Instead, they would 1217 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:31.360 say put on a rocker because they just wanted him 1218 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:33.639 to stop, and then he's record would just be a 1219 00:57:33.719 --> 00:57:36.280 record of him reading Great gats We started get the 1220 00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:40.159 exact sentence he stopped on. But I obviously want to 1221 00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:43.760 ask about your fandom of Andy Kaufman, because it's something 1222 00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:46.119 no one ever has asked you about to the best 1223 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:46.920 of my knowledge. 1224 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:48.880 I mean, Andy Coffin's like, you know, he's the original 1225 00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.320 Bill Cipher Man. I mean, like getting a laugh was 1226 00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:55.199 not nearly as important to him as doing something that 1227 00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.199 you're not supposed to do to see people furious and leave, 1228 00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.119 you know. I mean it's sort of like Norm McDonald's 1229 00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:04.639 roast of Bob Saggett, where he tells jokes that are 1230 00:58:04.679 --> 00:58:07.639 intentionally unfunny to see how long he can make other 1231 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.639 comedians endure jokes that aren't funny because like they're saying 1232 00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:12.559 the most offensive things they could say, and they're all laughing, 1233 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.519 and then it starts being like, you know, ladies and gentlemen, 1234 00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.920 he's got the eyes of an eagle. This man's for 1235 00:58:17.960 --> 00:58:20.320 the birds, and like it's like not a joke, and 1236 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.719 you feel everyone's summing. So of course you love Neil Hamburger. 1237 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:25.880 Oh yes, of course, Oh my god, no, Neil Hamburger. 1238 00:58:25.920 --> 00:58:28.159 I remember seeing him. Some of his jokes live. I 1239 00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.480 can't even say them. They're so offensive, but they're like 1240 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:33.039 anti comedy, they're you know, I mean the first time 1241 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:35.679 I saw Neil Hamburger live, he came out and he 1242 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.199 coughed and cleared his throat for like five whole minutes. 1243 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:40.559 Excuse me. 1244 00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:46.880 One more moment, my apologies. I was like, this is 1245 00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.239 so funny. So, I mean, like, Bill has that spirit 1246 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.239 of anarchy, and I was like that was another one 1247 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.800 of the first gags that came up with was like, oh, 1248 00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:56.719 Bill should briefly decide to make this a different book. 1249 00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.519 You know, I wish, I wish that the book was 1250 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.559 an edition fifty pages, so that fifty pages of the 1251 00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:04.039 book could have been Yeah. 1252 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:04.679 It is. 1253 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.719 It is an absurd amount of Gatsby, because like you 1254 00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:10.239 turn the page and you're like, oh, great Matsky on 1255 00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:12.119 one page, Great Gatsby on the other. Well, I'm gonna 1256 00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:13.800 turn the page and I won't be looking at great 1257 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:16.599 Gatsby anymore. Then there's two more pages. 1258 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:19.400 I wish I could have done more, honestly, but you know, 1259 00:59:19.440 --> 00:59:20.079 you only get so. 1260 00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:23.760 Many pages of the There's an interesting observation I had 1261 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:26.440 about the selection because you start with chapter two instead 1262 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:31.239 of chapter one. The very beginning of chapter two is 1263 00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:35.079 a description of the all seeing eyes that watch over 1264 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:36.440 the impoverished neighborhood. 1265 00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:41.960 Yes, all seeing eyes, an optometrist, a valley of ashes, yes, 1266 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:42.719 one hundred percent. 1267 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.280 So obviously Bill is trying to make the comparison of 1268 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.800 himself with tj Eckelberg. But you continually kept linking people 1269 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:51.800 the rest of the book. 1270 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:52.719 Throughout this process. 1271 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.840 So I have to ask Bill chose a chapter that 1272 00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:58.519 the title character is not in. 1273 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:00.920 Was that omission because. 1274 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:04.480 He did not want to invite comparisons is Bill Gatsby. 1275 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.920 Yeah, because we were talking about it and I kind 1276 01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:10.519 of was like, well, you know, hedonism and not admitting 1277 01:00:10.559 --> 01:00:11.599 your faults, you know. 1278 01:00:12.199 --> 01:00:14.639 Let me put it this way. People say that, like 1279 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:18.280 all art is in some degree autobiographical, and oftentimes an 1280 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:20.559 artists will create a work that they don't even recognize 1281 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:22.440 that the themes in parallels to their own life until 1282 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:24.119 years and years later they look back and they say, 1283 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.360 oh my god, that movie was actually about I thought 1284 01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:28.239 I thought it was about anome. It's actually about my 1285 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:29.119 divorce or whatever. 1286 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:29.360 You know. 1287 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.119 Yeah, So imagine if you will, that you were Bill 1288 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:35.280 Cipher and you had magic powers. I imagine projecting a 1289 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.400 book for a reader, and then you briefly got paranoid 1290 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:40.320 that the reader was turning against you, and you're like you, 1291 01:00:40.519 --> 01:00:42.639 I'm gonna replace this with the Great Gatsby, eat it, 1292 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.440 and then poof, you just flung your hand, you pointed 1293 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:47.880 the book and it turned to Great Gatsby. And the 1294 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.400 same way with an an artist might not be cognizant 1295 01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:53.559 of the autobiographical telling on yourself themes inside the art 1296 01:00:53.599 --> 01:00:56.800 they create. I think a demon constantly conjuring things might 1297 01:00:56.840 --> 01:00:59.599 not even be consciously aware of which pages he's conjuring 1298 01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.559 they just right in the moment. Bill, in his constant 1299 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:06.440 sort of creating things on the fly, parallels maybe something 1300 01:01:06.440 --> 01:01:08.840 that we pick apart or notice, but he's not as 1301 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:10.840 in control of it as he would like you to believe. 1302 01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.159 And so I think there's lots of moments where Bill 1303 01:01:13.239 --> 01:01:16.760 is sort of comparing or telling on himself, or verbalizing 1304 01:01:16.800 --> 01:01:19.559 a subconscious thought without even noticing that's what he's doing. 1305 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.199 And was that you unintentionally driving that parallel or Bill? 1306 01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:23.599 No? 1307 01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.880 I mean like I chose those pages specifically, but I'm 1308 01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:28.840 not sure Bill, did you know? 1309 01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.719 Yeah, we have Ford coming back interjecting, being like, oh 1310 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:36.559 you didn't you turned me page, but then admits that 1311 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:39.519 even though he told you there's no circumstances where you 1312 01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:42.159 should be reading this, he is reading this as well, 1313 01:01:42.719 --> 01:01:46.199 kind of him falling back into his old patterns, like 1314 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:49.119 a relapse story from Ford's part. 1315 01:01:49.239 --> 01:01:51.280 Yeah, well, I think what's also important to mention is 1316 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.880 that chronologically these Ford pages are taking place still sort 1317 01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.639 of in the wrap up in the denumat of season 1318 01:01:57.639 --> 01:01:58.440 two of Gravity Falls. 1319 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.119 Why did they call it that? D? 1320 01:02:00.360 --> 01:02:05.840 Mal Shall, Yeah, well, sort of taking place concurrently with 1321 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:09.639 don't dimention it the comic from Lost Legends, and just 1322 01:02:09.679 --> 01:02:13.079 sort of the general wrap up of fixing the last 1323 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:15.679 bits of Weird Mageddon. Dipper and Mabel are preparing to 1324 01:02:15.719 --> 01:02:18.119 go home to celebrate their birthday and. 1325 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:22.400 The cutaway in Weird mcgeddon Part three slash Part four 1326 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:26.280 where Stanley's mind is being recovered for a week, and 1327 01:02:26.320 --> 01:02:28.840 that both of those things, both of those events, the 1328 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:30.920 recovery of Stanley's mind, and and. 1329 01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.719 Ford also planning this trip that he's going to take 1330 01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:34.639 with his brother. 1331 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.880 He mentions, yes, so it all kind of places. It's 1332 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.559 not really a sequel to Gravity Falls. It's I was 1333 01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.000 talking to a friend about this who said, there's a 1334 01:02:45.159 --> 01:02:48.679 there's a time skip in Dragon Ball Z and they 1335 01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:50.440 every time there needs to be a new story, it 1336 01:02:50.480 --> 01:02:51.800 takes place in that time skip. 1337 01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:53.480 And it's kind of just. 1338 01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:56.920 Funny to imagine that over the course of a week, 1339 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.840 the Pines family has to deal with Weird Mageddon, then 1340 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:05.280 Mabel gets trapped in another dimension of Mabels, then the 1341 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.280 Book of Bill shows up, and then the their birthday 1342 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.480 party where they have to go away and say goodbye 1343 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:12.000 to everyone. 1344 01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.840 It's kind of out every New Star Wars thing is like, 1345 01:03:16.079 --> 01:03:18.079 and it takes place between episodes three and four. 1346 01:03:18.159 --> 01:03:21.880 Okay, you gotta do gravity falls machety order here, yes, exactly. 1347 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:26.119 Pause when they start reading the scrap book to Grugglestad. 1348 01:03:26.480 --> 01:03:29.119 Then you have to read both Don't Dimension It and 1349 01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:30.039 the Book of Bill. 1350 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:32.559 Well, it's relevant to place it chronologically. The idea that 1351 01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.519 he's relapsing, right, that this is all so fresh for him. 1352 01:03:35.519 --> 01:03:38.199 Yes, but also it's a little funny to think about 1353 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.559 that time skip kind of feeling of that episode, Like 1354 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:44.800 then they just focused on recovering Stan's mind for a week. 1355 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:47.599 Nothing to talk about there. Well, okay, there was a 1356 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:49.199 dimensional Okay, Bill return. 1357 01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:52.920 But as we will see later though, this book clearly 1358 01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:54.920 was not a big deal to anyone except for it. 1359 01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:55.239 Yeah. 1360 01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:58.800 So then we come to this sequence of pages called 1361 01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:01.519 the One True intel Leigence Test, which is this like 1362 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.519 standardized test told by Bill. So all the questions are 1363 01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:08.400 trick questions basically, But what I'm really interested in is 1364 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.000 the disclaimer at the top where it sort of does 1365 01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:13.239 the like, you have ten minutes to complete the quiz, 1366 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:16.920 use number thirty seven, pencil only, et cetera. Toward the 1367 01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:20.760 end it kind of devolves into this rant. Well, yeah, 1368 01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:22.840 I could. I'll read the whole thing. If stuck on 1369 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:25.280 a question, you may feel an overwhelming sense that you're 1370 01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:28.079 falling behind, that all the other students are smarter than you, 1371 01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.239 and that your life is over before it's even begun. 1372 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.440 You may conclude that the universe is fundamentally unfair and 1373 01:04:33.440 --> 01:04:36.719 designed only for your suffering. Lean into this feeling, Let 1374 01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:40.000 it fester and grow until you're glowing with incandescent theory, 1375 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.400 a flame with an unquenchable yearning for vengeance. They thought 1376 01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:46.239 they were smarter than you, Well, you'll show them, You'll 1377 01:04:46.280 --> 01:04:48.760 show them all. And I know that Dippers and Mabel's 1378 01:04:48.760 --> 01:04:52.000 Guide to Mystery NonStop fund was written by Robert Eddie 1379 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.920 and Chane Houghton, but it really brought to mind the 1380 01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.519 fine print on the certificate of like certified Mystery Solver 1381 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:02.440 that Dipper makes for you. There's moments where Dipper says, 1382 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:04.920 other people will realize they should have been nicer to us, 1383 01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:09.039 and it gets vaguely megalomaniacal, And I just think that's 1384 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:13.880 a fascinating like parallel between Bill and Dipper. And similarly, 1385 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.239 as well as on the morality page, there's oh, We're 1386 01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:19.519 never wrong, right, and then all the other Bills are like, yeah, 1387 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.360 you're right, Bill, which is brought to my mind the 1388 01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:25.360 last Mapelcorn with Dipper kind of being like, I'm really 1389 01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:27.840 good at rationalizing in his own thoughts, being like, yeah, yeah, 1390 01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.119 you are, not necessarily whether it was intentional, but just 1391 01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:32.360 sort of to get your take on like the Pines 1392 01:05:32.440 --> 01:05:35.760 family members obviously Ford, but you know other Pines family 1393 01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:39.000 members having shades of Bill in themselves, and Bill like 1394 01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.719 reflecting the darker aspects or letting their flaws kind of 1395 01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:43.480 guide them. 1396 01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:46.519 Yeah, I mean, all these characters are sort of like 1397 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:50.800 a prismatic splitting of the aspects of my psyche. As 1398 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.280 a writer, that's sort of what you do is you 1399 01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:55.559 sort of split your brain into different voices than you 1400 01:05:55.559 --> 01:05:57.559 have the margue with each other, and Bill is the 1401 01:05:57.679 --> 01:06:01.360 voice whispering in your head to grab whatever makes you 1402 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:04.079 feel good, and you know, damn the consequences of damn 1403 01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:06.400 other people around you. So you know, whenever a character 1404 01:06:06.639 --> 01:06:09.840 is being impatient or ego maniacal, they are sort of 1405 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:12.880 closer to Bill. There's never really a conscious attempt to 1406 01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:16.119 make any of these characters like directly a parallel to Bill, 1407 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.719 so to speak, but sort of it's all coming from 1408 01:06:18.760 --> 01:06:20.679 the same soup of my brain. So these things are 1409 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:22.199 gonna sort of it's like poetry. 1410 01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:25.920 They rhyme, every stands us there. Bill is the key 1411 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:26.400 to all of this. 1412 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:31.719 Bill, and I also want to say to anyone listening 1413 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:36.239 who is a student presently and might be struggling with 1414 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:38.960 similar thoughts to the ones that Bill stated at the 1415 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:43.400 beginning of this test. I am thirty one. I last 1416 01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:48.840 attended a school when I was eighteen. That is, Ella, 1417 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:49.679 do some math for me. 1418 01:06:49.840 --> 01:06:51.840 No, I haven't been to school in a long time either. 1419 01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:56.000 Well, so that's exactly it, though is I used to 1420 01:06:56.079 --> 01:07:00.360 get so so upset, cry when I got bad or 1421 01:07:00.360 --> 01:07:03.400 when I couldn't figure out a specific course or class, 1422 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:07.679 and all these years later, over a decade later, Oh wait, 1423 01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:11.280 I got it, thirteen years later. I have no idea 1424 01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:12.239 which classes I. 1425 01:07:12.199 --> 01:07:14.800 Did well, yeah or poorly. 1426 01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.079 I don't think about those things. They don't come up 1427 01:07:19.119 --> 01:07:24.679 in your life. And school is if you don't attend. 1428 01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:31.000 College is something you do from age five to age eighteen, 1429 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:35.360 and as an eighteen year old, that's a large percentage 1430 01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.280 of your life and possibly all of your life that 1431 01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.599 you hold memories for and it feels like the world 1432 01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.519 is going to be like this forever, and I just 1433 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:46.519 want to let our listeners know it's not. 1434 01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.840 Yeah, now, about the pages, I will say that one 1435 01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.400 interesting difference between the limited edition and the regular edition 1436 01:07:53.559 --> 01:07:56.159 is the regular edition has a coffee stain at the 1437 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.199 top of the page, and the limited edition does not. 1438 01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:01.519 Well, the coffee stains. I'm sure they're just illustrations, right, 1439 01:08:01.679 --> 01:08:01.960 they don't. 1440 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:03.719 Actually, I'm sure they're just illustrations. 1441 01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:05.920 There's that mouse again. 1442 01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:08.320 But it's definitely interesting to note that that is there 1443 01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:11.599 in one edition and not the other. And then Emmy 1444 01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:14.000 also said that the little image that she has the 1445 01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:18.119 devious illustration, she was told that she had to do 1446 01:08:18.159 --> 01:08:21.479 a simpler version because her original image was deemed too 1447 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.439 hard to look at. 1448 01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:25.479 Oh yeah, that it's just it's just a mash up 1449 01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:26.880 of every optical illusion. 1450 01:08:27.560 --> 01:08:28.920 It's truly beautiful. 1451 01:08:29.319 --> 01:08:31.680 I also am a big fan of the surface area 1452 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.880 of Sous drawing, where he's just like, hold on, I 1453 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:38.239 got here, and I was genuinely curious what the surface 1454 01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.000 area of SEUs is. I don't think we ever found 1455 01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:41.119 that out forty. 1456 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.239 Two Oh, that's what the question. 1457 01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:46.279 Was Oh, that marks much more sense. 1458 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:47.600 I understand that book. 1459 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:50.159 Now that's a deep thought though too. 1460 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.079 Slarty bart fast. 1461 01:08:53.319 --> 01:08:55.800 But as you will learn, if you actually did any 1462 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.880 work trying to find the surface area of SEUs, you 1463 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.079 failed the tests because the answer key is right over here. 1464 01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.560 And if you did no work, you passed. 1465 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.720 That's right. So Bill does then confirm two things and 1466 01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.800 go into more detail, which is that reality is indeed 1467 01:09:12.800 --> 01:09:16.439 an illusion, and the universe is indeed a hologram. Specifically, 1468 01:09:16.520 --> 01:09:18.960 it's a hologram like Pokemon. 1469 01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:20.880 Card, a holographic Pokemon card. 1470 01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:21.399 Yeah. 1471 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:24.600 Yeah, he's not the same word as holograund no, but 1472 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:28.439 it's not. And it almost seems like you don't really 1473 01:09:28.479 --> 01:09:30.479 know what a hologram is. But you know what a 1474 01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:32.159 holographic Pokemon card. 1475 01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:35.039 I mean, Alex, I know you're obviously a big Pokemon fans. 1476 01:09:35.239 --> 01:09:36.720 You just pronounce it Pokemon. 1477 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.560 Look whose work is the hologram card? 1478 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:43.479 The little illustration on the card of like Bill inside 1479 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:47.680 a sort of roiling, massive black tendrils and sort of 1480 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:50.880 chaos blobs. That illustration inside is Ian and then the 1481 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.359 rest of the card I make, oh cools. 1482 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.159 So much like a Pokemon card. 1483 01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.159 Oh, thank you I did a lot of drawing and 1484 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:01.800 editing on this book, and. 1485 01:10:01.760 --> 01:10:05.079 Then we get into this this all very edgy, like 1486 01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:09.479 you know, hot topic, like your body's just disgusting, You're 1487 01:10:09.600 --> 01:10:13.520 just a meat puppet like And I love that we're 1488 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:16.680 obviously seeing it from Bill's perspective right now, where he's 1489 01:10:16.720 --> 01:10:18.560 the only one talking, so it's kind. 1490 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:20.479 Of although I will say I love the bones filled 1491 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:21.600 with tinier bones. 1492 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.000 Yes, and the colors that you can't see, including ultra violet, 1493 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:32.880 extra turquoise, megagenta, insaniteal, hyper beige, and brown two Brown two. 1494 01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:35.279 I gotta tell you, guys, I can see it insaniteal, 1495 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:36.199 I actually can't. 1496 01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:37.800 I mean, I can't see the normal colors. 1497 01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:40.000 So no, can you see brown too? 1498 01:10:40.039 --> 01:10:41.840 Though only exclusively? 1499 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:43.640 Exclusively brown too. 1500 01:10:43.800 --> 01:10:45.119 Ella's never seen brown. 1501 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:47.800 You've never seen brown one, only Brown two. 1502 01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:51.359 Do I need to see brown one for context before 1503 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:52.159 I see brown two? 1504 01:10:52.199 --> 01:10:52.399 Where? 1505 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.520 And this juicy eye down here was made by Emmy Cisariega. 1506 01:10:58.479 --> 01:10:59.479 I hate that picture. 1507 01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:04.359 There's a form ranking with silhouettes going from a shrimp 1508 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:09.199 all the way down to Toby determined, and I, on 1509 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.479 the one hand, you could say that Bill is ranking 1510 01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.359 humans in general, as worse. But I think he's putting 1511 01:11:14.439 --> 01:11:16.800 specifically Toby determined down there. 1512 01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.640 Well, we learn later Toby determines probably from the mirror dimension, 1513 01:11:21.640 --> 01:11:23.119 at least in Bill's opinion. 1514 01:11:23.279 --> 01:11:24.199 Good for him. 1515 01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:27.600 Sorry, Bodacious Tea, Bodacious Ta. Sorry, yeah, I mean. 1516 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:30.720 Like when we see Bodacious Tea at his youngest, he 1517 01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:33.760 is in front of mirrors dancing, So that makes sense. 1518 01:11:34.079 --> 01:11:35.159 That's very true. 1519 01:11:35.239 --> 01:11:38.079 Yeah, tap dance his way into our dimension. That's how 1520 01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:38.640 he got here. 1521 01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:42.760 I also love directly. Middle on this list is the 1522 01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:48.319 Dodo when extinct, for being the most average life form. Yes, 1523 01:11:48.640 --> 01:11:51.479 not either be better or worse than this to survive. 1524 01:11:52.199 --> 01:11:56.640 And then we also learn that the ultimate stage of 1525 01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:59.479 wrinkliness is known as. 1526 01:11:59.479 --> 01:12:04.279 Larry Yes, when your skin reaches peak wrinkle, with just. 1527 01:12:04.239 --> 01:12:08.520 An actual photo of Larry kinget here labeled it is inevitable. 1528 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:12.760 Yes. This page also has the fine print that says help. 1529 01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.840 This is not Bill Sleipher. My name is Grebley hemberdrak 1530 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.600 of Zimtrex five. I'm one of thousands of beings Bill 1531 01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.039 is devoured over trillions of years, whose souls are now 1532 01:12:21.079 --> 01:12:23.800 trapped inside him. You have to free me. It's horrible 1533 01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:26.279 in here he just keeps playing the song good Vibrations 1534 01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.119 by Marky Mark on an endless loop. Please please, this 1535 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.600 is not a joke. The Semtrexians. Oran's a proud and 1536 01:12:31.720 --> 01:12:34.239 mighty people. But now our spirit's long for release from 1537 01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.640 this yellow prison. If there are any gods not yet 1538 01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:39.640 dead by Cipher's wicked hand, here are prayers you can't imagine. 1539 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:40.439 And then it cuts off. 1540 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:42.640 Is that on a special edition because mine cuts off 1541 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:43.720 on release from this? 1542 01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:45.399 No, it's in both editions. 1543 01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:48.359 Like that last line. I'm only I'm only reading the 1544 01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.960 top half of that line under sort of action, both. 1545 01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.079 Editions, but I only I only see the top half 1546 01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.279 of but now our spirits long for release from this 1547 01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.479 and nothing below that in my own okay regular. 1548 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.800 Edition, Yeah, No, it's you can see like the ghost 1549 01:13:02.039 --> 01:13:04.680 of Yellow Prison and onwards. 1550 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:09.359 I cannot in the original edition. In your original edition, surely, yes. 1551 01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.640 In my original edition, I think it's just a it's 1552 01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:12.239 just a printing. 1553 01:13:12.319 --> 01:13:13.520 I think it's just a printing error. 1554 01:13:13.840 --> 01:13:15.199 It's interesting, though. 1555 01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:18.520 In my regular edition it's you can still see it 1556 01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:20.520 down at the bottom, but it's less than is in 1557 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:21.520 my original edition. 1558 01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:22.159 No. 1559 01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:24.880 Yeah, in my original edition you could see the Ghost 1560 01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:28.319 of the Zimtrexians were once a proud and mighty people, 1561 01:13:28.439 --> 01:13:30.600 but now our spirits long for release from this. 1562 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.399 I think most of the time, when you when you're 1563 01:13:32.439 --> 01:13:35.239 making a book image, there's like a safe zone where 1564 01:13:35.239 --> 01:13:36.760 you want all your text to be in. And I 1565 01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:39.399 imagine they just went all the way to the bleed 1566 01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:42.279 edge for that one, just because it didn't, yeah matter 1567 01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:43.239 where that it was cut. 1568 01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:44.479 Off, because it's a joke. It's all a joke. 1569 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:48.880 Yeah. And Emmy Csirigo made these tattoos right. 1570 01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:51.920 This page is attributed to Emmy, Joe and Ian, but 1571 01:13:52.119 --> 01:13:56.840 Emmy Cesaraega on August twentieth did like put out her 1572 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.640 little drawings of a couple of ones that were cut, 1573 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:05.439 which does include like booty Bill and Realistic feet Bill, 1574 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.359 which are my two personal favorites of this Those are 1575 01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:09.600 the ones you're gonna get well. 1576 01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.760 That is linked in the dock in the description. If 1577 01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.119 you want to see what booty Bill and Realistic feet Bill. 1578 01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.960 Mean, yes, I don't, you might get put on a list. 1579 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:22.560 And then she said these were cut from the tattoo page. 1580 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:24.520 Someone was looking out for you. 1581 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.239 I think my favorite is probably the one that did 1582 01:14:27.319 --> 01:14:29.359 end up in the book, which was surfing Bill because 1583 01:14:29.359 --> 01:14:31.680 he just looks so uncharacteristically chill. 1584 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:34.199 That's Chill Cipher, you might be confused. 1585 01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:37.199 Oh, yeah, that is that's Chill Cipher. Yeah, he's hanging 1586 01:14:37.279 --> 01:14:38.520 one hundred and eighty degrees. 1587 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:41.279 There's another Night of the Hunter reference were tattoos on 1588 01:14:41.319 --> 01:14:41.880 the knuckles. 1589 01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.119 So then we come to a spread where Bill Cipher 1590 01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:49.199 is talking about love, you know, above anything else that 1591 01:14:49.479 --> 01:14:52.840 they get away with saying in this book. What really 1592 01:14:52.840 --> 01:14:55.359 shocked me the most is reading Bill Cipher say the 1593 01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:58.880 word polycule. That's not something I ever expected to lay 1594 01:14:58.920 --> 01:14:59.439 eyes on. 1595 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:03.199 In response to the word me thinks, which, like, I 1596 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:06.039 remember I worked at a New York Renaissance fair, and 1597 01:15:06.079 --> 01:15:09.399 I know you have to come out as monogamous at 1598 01:15:09.399 --> 01:15:10.640 the New York Renaissance Fair. 1599 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:12.880 So yeah, that makes perfect sense. 1600 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:15.399 How did Bill know about this connection that that was. 1601 01:15:15.479 --> 01:15:20.239 Must explained to my children that you only desire one partner? 1602 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:22.359 Yeah, Like, no, I had a friend who is like 1603 01:15:22.479 --> 01:15:24.199 a boy was trying to hook up with her and 1604 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:25.279 she was super into it. 1605 01:15:25.359 --> 01:15:27.640 And then at one point he mentions his girlfriend. 1606 01:15:27.319 --> 01:15:29.079 And she's like, excuse me, did you not think that 1607 01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:31.800 was worth mentioning up until now, and he was like no. 1608 01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:38.720 She's like, well, I'm not okay with that, and he's like, huh. 1609 01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:41.920 Okay, Well didn't you think you should have mentioned. 1610 01:15:41.600 --> 01:15:42.239 That up front? 1611 01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:46.159 That sounds more like a you thing and Bill knows somehow. 1612 01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.720 That's the one time it's felt like Bill's like getting 1613 01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:51.239 in my noggin. Usually he doesn't do me too good. Yeah, 1614 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:54.479 this is the second instance of Bill big avoidant at 1615 01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:55.800 his own questions. 1616 01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:57.760 Yeah, giving himself interview. 1617 01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.439 An interview that he doesn't want to do. 1618 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:01.960 It's just sort of a necessity for Bill to be 1619 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.000 bouncing off of some voice. And he's got a lot 1620 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:04.880 of voices in his head. 1621 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.319 I mean, he craves attention, you know, even if that's 1622 01:16:07.319 --> 01:16:08.000 around himself. 1623 01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:09.720 He absorbed a lot of people as well. 1624 01:16:09.840 --> 01:16:11.840 Yeah, and he has consumed a lot of souls. So 1625 01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:14.159 I think even Bill couldn't tell you exactly who all 1626 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:15.920 the voices are that he's arguing with a at a 1627 01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:16.439 given moment. 1628 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:16.960 Yeah. 1629 01:16:17.159 --> 01:16:19.520 I love Princess Romance. 1630 01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:22.239 Yeah, I'm sure that that's the movie where the guy 1631 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:27.119 is like, whatever you want and that means I love you. 1632 01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.079 Well, so the title sounds like Princess Bride. But it 1633 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:33.359 looks like a Disney nineties VHS. 1634 01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:35.960 It looks like The Little Mermaid. It looks like Ariel 1635 01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:36.520 and Eric. 1636 01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:38.920 Yeah, and as well as the end of Beauty and 1637 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:40.399 the Beast. And it says inkwell on. 1638 01:16:40.399 --> 01:16:41.520 Top, which is that's true? 1639 01:16:41.720 --> 01:16:44.439 Shadowing is a literary device, it is. 1640 01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:46.640 So this definitely is an animated movie. 1641 01:16:46.800 --> 01:16:51.119 How are things animated in gravity falls the world? How 1642 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:52.159 do you tell the difference? 1643 01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:56.039 And they're just realistic human features. So like this heart 1644 01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:58.560 down here at the bottom, that's an animated heart, not 1645 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:01.159 a realistic human right, Like. 1646 01:17:01.359 --> 01:17:03.479 Stan would look at that and it's obviously fake. 1647 01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:06.520 Yeah, obviously, yeah, I generated that's. 1648 01:17:06.319 --> 01:17:07.399 Not even an outline. 1649 01:17:08.119 --> 01:17:09.840 I love boy Kissing Mix. 1650 01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:10.640 Amazing. 1651 01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:13.640 What would be on your boy Kissing Mix? Right in, 1652 01:17:13.880 --> 01:17:16.199 mister Shag lookback at gmail dot com please. 1653 01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:19.159 Oh and also, the vampire romance novel The Taste of 1654 01:17:19.239 --> 01:17:21.920 You is written by one K Visionaire. 1655 01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:23.279 Isn't that a stage name? 1656 01:17:23.720 --> 01:17:27.920 Nick Hofferman? Yeah, N wrote this. The audiobook is great. 1657 01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:32.359 He took me in his cold, pale arms. 1658 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:37.520 I think you should get Meghan to do it. You 1659 01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:38.760 should get his wife to do it. 1660 01:17:38.840 --> 01:17:42.000 Oh my gosh, you have Megan Malali reading k Visionaire. 1661 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:43.920 Will you turn me immortal like you? 1662 01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:46.960 And then continuing the love on the next page. 1663 01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:49.560 I love that at the next page is titled how 1664 01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:52.079 to trick everyone to love you. 1665 01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:54.239 Tell her you want to eat her hair. 1666 01:17:54.520 --> 01:17:57.760 I think the sculpture of a person made of teeth 1667 01:17:57.960 --> 01:18:00.000 is the worst image in this book. 1668 01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:02.319 No, I just pretend there are chicklets. 1669 01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:03.840 M okay, okay. 1670 01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:07.319 I know that this page is Emmy and Ian, and 1671 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:10.920 it does have that very Emmy cursed flare to a 1672 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:11.359 lot of it. 1673 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.920 Yeah, Emmy is good at the Both of the Csirigas 1674 01:18:14.960 --> 01:18:18.640 are good at drawing things that you somehow think they 1675 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:22.680 don't realize our cursed Yes, like they're able to put 1676 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:24.920 in this energy of like I've made this normal drawing. 1677 01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:28.680 Yeah. Oh yeah. And I think that that Bill in 1678 01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:30.960 the pocket that is a very Emmy image too. 1679 01:18:31.279 --> 01:18:35.399 I'm the next page here he compares giving out Valentines 1680 01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:37.640 like a cat leaving a dead mouse. 1681 01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.680 Yes, and then says, just leave real dead mice. 1682 01:18:41.399 --> 01:18:46.000 And that is referenced again later because apparently Bill has 1683 01:18:46.119 --> 01:18:47.279 tried that before. 1684 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:49.920 Are we talking about the Valentines? Yeah, so all the 1685 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.760 Valentines are done by Joe Pitt and I know that 1686 01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:56.159 we've seen these before because you, Alex, have published this 1687 01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:58.760 on your Twitter a couple of times on Valentine's Day? 1688 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:01.399 Were the Valentin's some that you included because they were 1689 01:19:01.399 --> 01:19:03.640 already made by Joe Pitt? Or is it something that 1690 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:05.760 you made with the idea that it might end up 1691 01:19:05.760 --> 01:19:07.279 in another Gravity Falls property? 1692 01:19:07.520 --> 01:19:09.319 Oh well, so the Valentine's cards were made for the 1693 01:19:09.359 --> 01:19:12.000 Book of Bill. They were just part of the romance section, 1694 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:15.560 and then you know, we announced the book, and then 1695 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:17.239 I just wanted to have, you know, one or two 1696 01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:20.520 little tweets that were sort of Bill forward to kind 1697 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.199 of keep people vaguely alert that it existed before it 1698 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:24.640 came out. So that I was looking for. I was 1699 01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:26.520 just like, Oh, what's a random image from the book 1700 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.840 that I can use that doesn't really spoiler anything or 1701 01:19:28.840 --> 01:19:31.079 telling anybody about the shape of it. So I decided 1702 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:33.640 to use a page as a promo. You know. That's 1703 01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:35.319 another thing where I was like, Disney, can we please, 1704 01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:37.560 you know, can we print this on card stock that 1705 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:40.800 can be removed. I wanted to have like a fold out, 1706 01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:43.560 like a centerfold image. There's so many things I wanted 1707 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:43.760 to do. 1708 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:44.840 Oh my gosh. 1709 01:19:44.880 --> 01:19:47.880 I love a good chant words together. 1710 01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:54.560 Word. Yeah, that's true. Ready, everybody, because this page is 1711 01:19:55.239 --> 01:20:03.800 how will you dud? 1712 01:20:04.520 --> 01:20:06.640 This page is done by Ian worrel A three D 1713 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:10.119 and blender awesome. I love the plaid tweet coat that 1714 01:20:10.159 --> 01:20:11.319 he's wearing. It's so good. 1715 01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:15.560 So Bill has you select a number from one to 1716 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:20.039 twenty three, and that number correlates to how you will. 1717 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:23.600 Die, and the wheel is marked by various symbols, including 1718 01:20:23.800 --> 01:20:27.279 just a gun, straight up, a regular gun. 1719 01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:30.840 Yeah, and if you picked number four, Wow, we didn't 1720 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.319 realize you were a fan of the show. 1721 01:20:32.520 --> 01:20:34.960 Yeah, because apparently there's only one person in history who 1722 01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:38.319 has picked number four, because the number four will say 1723 01:20:38.319 --> 01:20:41.199 that you were shockingly assassinated while simply trying to ride 1724 01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:43.479 in your motorcade through Dallas with the roof down in 1725 01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:44.800 the year nineteen sixty three. 1726 01:20:45.039 --> 01:20:46.359 I hate when that happens. 1727 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:47.760 Well, good thing, it's only happened the one. 1728 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:49.720 I'm just assuming he's listening, so I'm trying to be 1729 01:20:49.800 --> 01:20:53.800 relatable to him, that's fair. I hate when that happens. 1730 01:20:54.000 --> 01:20:56.119 I hate when my head pops off. 1731 01:20:56.199 --> 01:21:01.119 Yeah, and my other favorite one here is oops at 1732 01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.319 the sugary cereal factory, you will accidentally pull the lever 1733 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.079 that releases all berries. Your final words as your crush 1734 01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:11.239 to death will be this is very painful. 1735 01:21:11.439 --> 01:21:13.720 I love a good oops all berries joke. 1736 01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:16.000 I picked the one that trapped me inside of a 1737 01:21:16.000 --> 01:21:18.960 glass box at a construction site, and everyone thought I 1738 01:21:19.079 --> 01:21:21.279 was a mime as I ran out of oxygen. But 1739 01:21:21.399 --> 01:21:23.479 I did make two seventy five in chips. 1740 01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:28.239 So the next pitch, the next, the next pitches has 1741 01:21:28.359 --> 01:21:30.600 a mouth that's drooling blood. 1742 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:32.239 Good. 1743 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:36.199 Just a funny show with silly jokes for kids. 1744 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:40.119 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the terrifying mouth is lip camarilla. 1745 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:42.079 He puts the lip in lip camorilla. 1746 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.800 Yeah. This is kind of Bill talking about the afterlife 1747 01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:47.680 and how to cheat death and sort of dancing around 1748 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:51.760 answering the question of how he's able to communicate with us. 1749 01:21:51.880 --> 01:21:56.479 Here's also a reference to the Michael Keaton film Jack Frost. 1750 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:59.880 That's also Oh my gosh, get your it's so good, 1751 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:02.159 the body of a snowman and still have to pay 1752 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:02.920 child support. 1753 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:05.560 I always love a good reference to that movie. And 1754 01:22:05.600 --> 01:22:08.840 then the beautiful zomb Bill that is like taking over 1755 01:22:08.880 --> 01:22:11.640 the entire page. That's Joe Pitt and he published a 1756 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:15.560 full digital version of that on Instagram on the seventeenth 1757 01:22:15.600 --> 01:22:16.079 of August. 1758 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.760 I do like the snazzy jacket that Bill gets as 1759 01:22:18.760 --> 01:22:19.239 a zombie. 1760 01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:21.039 Oh yeah, it's a nice jacket. 1761 01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:22.800 Did he steal that from mister Watts's face? 1762 01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:23.159 Could have? 1763 01:22:23.319 --> 01:22:24.800 Yeah, that's a good question. 1764 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:27.319 I also love the vulture stealing the eye, as though, 1765 01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:31.920 like Bill fancies himself a Prometheus type. 1766 01:22:32.279 --> 01:22:35.640 I also love the transition into the next page, where 1767 01:22:35.640 --> 01:22:39.159 it says Heaven is a real place because with infinite worlds, 1768 01:22:39.199 --> 01:22:42.319 there are infinite possibilities, and there is a paradise tailor 1769 01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.399 to your whims and he will explain how to get there, 1770 01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:49.039 but the ink will be invisible if you've ever had 1771 01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:51.680 a perverted thought. And then you turn the page and 1772 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:56.560 for me, I don't know, very very full page, you know, right, guys, Wow, 1773 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:57.720 so much to read here. 1774 01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.720 Yeah, there's a lot of I mean that probably was 1775 01:22:59.720 --> 01:23:02.920 the most expensive page to print with all the stuff. 1776 01:23:02.600 --> 01:23:06.279 That we see on there. Shelby, do you have notes 1777 01:23:06.319 --> 01:23:08.000 on the art? 1778 01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:12.319 The art are so The art on both of these 1779 01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:15.680 two pages are done by Joe Pitt. So and Joe 1780 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:17.840 Pitt did not publish a full version of the How 1781 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:21.239 to Get into Heaven unfortunately, or the Morality page on 1782 01:23:21.920 --> 01:23:23.960 but I do know that the credit on both pages 1783 01:23:24.079 --> 01:23:24.920 is too Joe Pitt. 1784 01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:29.079 Wow, beautiful, wautiful, great job, Joe Pitt. 1785 01:23:29.319 --> 01:23:34.800 It looks I mean the way that the line gorgeous 1786 01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:36.920 and the colors, the colors. 1787 01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:39.159 I know that normally Ian does a lot of the 1788 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:42.199 coloring for for Joe, but I think Joe did the 1789 01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:42.920 coloring on this one. 1790 01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:45.439 I'm saying the coloring and. 1791 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:48.680 The coloring and this picture that's here. 1792 01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:53.079 Yeah, it's it's honestly, it's transcending. Its absolutely gorgeous. 1793 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:56.439 Transcend it. We shouldn't even you should see it for yourself. 1794 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:59.439 You have to see it for yourself to really experience it. 1795 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.000 And then, I know we talked about the Morality page 1796 01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.079 a little bit earlier. You referenced it when you were talking. 1797 01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:07.239 In terms of the character. Yeah. Yeah, but I also 1798 01:24:07.279 --> 01:24:11.359 love the illustration of Bill throwing a paper airplane into 1799 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:12.319 his own eye. 1800 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:12.920 Yes. 1801 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:17.319 Yeah, He finds a text that says morality, decides it's 1802 01:24:17.359 --> 01:24:20.479 better as a paper airplane, throws it, and then later 1803 01:24:20.600 --> 01:24:24.039 saying he doesn't believe what goes around can really come around. 1804 01:24:24.079 --> 01:24:27.279 He gets interrupted by being hit in the eye with 1805 01:24:27.439 --> 01:24:30.840 the paper airplane that he made of morality. 1806 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.159 I love that his hat has bones. 1807 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:36.039 He's had as flesh when Ford shoots through it. 1808 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:38.479 This is also the part where Bill makes us commit 1809 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:39.039 a murder. 1810 01:24:40.000 --> 01:24:42.520 Yes, and the little elf guy down at the bottom 1811 01:24:42.680 --> 01:24:46.439 was done by Emmy Cesaraega and she tweeted on August 1812 01:24:46.439 --> 01:24:48.600 twentieth life Form not found. 1813 01:24:48.880 --> 01:24:52.680 That's, of course the late Great Scrimbles the Alf unless 1814 01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:56.039 you stopped reading here, which case there's spoilers in the 1815 01:24:56.079 --> 01:24:57.119 rest of the podcast. 1816 01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:01.000 But enjoy your life with scrim You have a book Elf. 1817 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:04.560 Now this is a lower question that you might not 1818 01:25:04.720 --> 01:25:07.079 have an answer to about this next page, But it 1819 01:25:07.159 --> 01:25:11.079 says Dipper and Mabel were the only Dipper and Mabel 1820 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:15.000 to make it through the summer. How does that coexist 1821 01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:18.720 with don't dimension it where we see many many alive Mabels. 1822 01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:21.920 I mean, my interpretation of that would just be that 1823 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:25.720 Bill is an unreliable narrator and we'll not admit that 1824 01:25:25.760 --> 01:25:28.880 there were other timelines where he could have lost He's like, ah, 1825 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.920 this is the one time that it also. 1826 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.760 Could mean that they didn't necessarily die as much as 1827 01:25:35.319 --> 01:25:37.920 get sucked into another dimension. And never get out. I 1828 01:25:37.960 --> 01:25:38.600 guess yeah. 1829 01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:40.880 It's also we only see Mabel, so it could be 1830 01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:43.319 that only Mabel survived in a lot of timeline. 1831 01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:44.239 That would also make. 1832 01:25:44.159 --> 01:25:48.560 Sense all of their difference died except for Flame Dipper 1833 01:25:48.640 --> 01:25:51.199 because she specifically mentions wanting to. 1834 01:25:51.119 --> 01:25:55.640 Get back to I think that's actually Dripper, Flamebele and Dripper. 1835 01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:57.520 This is definitely one of the spreads that created the 1836 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:58.840 most Who did this one? 1837 01:25:59.319 --> 01:26:03.319 So this is Ian Worrel did the parallel dimensions page, 1838 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:08.079 Joe Pitt did the alternate timelines, and that was colored 1839 01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:09.039 by Ian Warrel. 1840 01:26:09.159 --> 01:26:11.279 This is definitely one of the spreads that created the 1841 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:14.439 most discussion, I think in the fandom, where it's just 1842 01:26:14.479 --> 01:26:18.199 showing all of the timelines from various episodes where they 1843 01:26:18.239 --> 01:26:22.640 didn't make it out, the darkest of which is probably 1844 01:26:22.760 --> 01:26:25.640 the Hand of the Rocks, the Mabel one where we 1845 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.520 see that Mabel still has that kind of aur around 1846 01:26:28.560 --> 01:26:32.079 her from the Psychic Amulet, while Dipper has the lamb 1847 01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:33.199 Shears in his back. 1848 01:26:33.319 --> 01:26:37.159 There's also one here where Mabel became a smile dip junkie. 1849 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:40.640 Yeah, yeah, I personally love nome Queen Mabel. 1850 01:26:40.840 --> 01:26:42.279 Nome Queen Mabel is very good. 1851 01:26:42.359 --> 01:26:44.439 We have Bipper here, who's still Bipper. 1852 01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.640 We have Bipper, and we have Maybell in the court 1853 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:50.199 like over behind um, yes, no Mabel. 1854 01:26:50.359 --> 01:26:52.800 There's also one that I don't super recognize, which is 1855 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.359 on the left in front of Society of the Blind 1856 01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:58.560 by Dipper. It's like they've been turned to stone or something, 1857 01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:01.399 but I don't really know exactly. But that's referencing. 1858 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:04.479 Well. I know that because we have the petrified Dipper, 1859 01:27:04.479 --> 01:27:06.159 but it's in a different post, so you would think 1860 01:27:06.199 --> 01:27:08.920 that they would have done the petrified post and that's 1861 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:10.000 a different texture. 1862 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:12.479 Yeah, that's from the timeline where they tried to give 1863 01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:13.600 Medusa a makeover. 1864 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:15.880 Oh, I like it. I like it. 1865 01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.199 I mean I don't believe it, though I think Mabel 1866 01:27:18.359 --> 01:27:19.520 to be successful with it. 1867 01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:23.479 Well, the problem was that she made her too beautiful 1868 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:25.239 to look at, so it kind of just kind of 1869 01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:26.960 went in the opposite direction. 1870 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:30.079 I like that we have zombie Mabel and zombie Dipper. 1871 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:32.399 Like I like that they're in different places so you 1872 01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:35.760 can't even necessarily tell which one. 1873 01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:39.800 I think it's because there's probably one timeline where one 1874 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:42.960 twin sacrificed themselves to the zombies for the other. 1875 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.560 Twin I didn't spend too long looking at this spread. 1876 01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.840 I didn't realize that these all correlate, almost all correlate 1877 01:27:48.880 --> 01:27:52.920 too episodes they avoided in an episode. Yeah, that's awesome. 1878 01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:56.079 It's a really nice touch. I love the devious looks 1879 01:27:56.079 --> 01:27:57.720 on Little Dipper and Little Mabel. 1880 01:27:57.800 --> 01:27:59.279 Well they're little scamps, aren't they. 1881 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:00.159 They are a little skye. 1882 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.399 So we're definitely gonna want to hear about the artists 1883 01:28:02.399 --> 01:28:06.000 for these pages because we get into urban legends and 1884 01:28:06.159 --> 01:28:07.000 the mirror realm. 1885 01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.359 So there's only one artist on this page. Actually, it's 1886 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:10.359 Trevor Henderson. 1887 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:12.800 Horrifying job, Trevor Horrify. 1888 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.439 Yeah, and so this page and the next page are 1889 01:28:15.479 --> 01:28:18.640 all Trevor Henderson. And what Trevor said on Instagram on 1890 01:28:18.720 --> 01:28:21.319 August first was, as a big fan of Alex Hirsch 1891 01:28:21.359 --> 01:28:23.880 and Gravity Falls, I was delighted to be asked to 1892 01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:26.800 contribute a bunch of different pieces of art to the 1893 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:30.600 newly released book of Bill alongside other incredible artists. It 1894 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.319 is in stores now and you should absolutely run out 1895 01:28:33.359 --> 01:28:34.000 and get a copy. 1896 01:28:34.159 --> 01:28:38.039 These are in the style of creepy pasta and SCP. 1897 01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:39.600 Yes, yeah, you. 1898 01:28:39.560 --> 01:28:42.439 Know, the Internet tries to make their own cryptids, and 1899 01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:45.479 this is usually kind of the style that images of 1900 01:28:45.520 --> 01:28:46.119 them take. 1901 01:28:46.239 --> 01:28:48.439 Trevor does a lot of sep stuff and a lot 1902 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:52.960 of like horrific monsters like that. That's kind of his bag. 1903 01:28:53.079 --> 01:28:56.199 Yeah, he created siren Head right, Yes. 1904 01:28:56.079 --> 01:28:58.880 That is correct, as well as cartoon Cat and. 1905 01:28:59.000 --> 01:29:02.399 Long Scamel Del Torso is great. 1906 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:04.479 This next page gives me a headache. 1907 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.439 Yeah, let's hear it for headaches. 1908 01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:11.920 I read all this without a mirror. It's much easier 1909 01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:12.600 with than mirror. 1910 01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:14.439 If you're taking a picture of it with your phone 1911 01:29:14.479 --> 01:29:17.039 and flipping the image, you're not doing it right. You 1912 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:18.720 gotta go up to an actual mirror. Kids. 1913 01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:20.680 Yeah, these images are also done by Trevor. 1914 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:23.279 My favorite reveal on the on the spread is that 1915 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:26.079 David Lynch is from the Mirror dimension. 1916 01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:27.800 Which has been a joke on this podcast. 1917 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:29.920 Oh yeah, that he is. Yeah, that his his weird 1918 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:32.600 turns of phrase. I assume that the joke about not 1919 01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.800 returning calls this is just referencing the fact that he 1920 01:29:35.880 --> 01:29:37.760 never got back to you about voicing. 1921 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:39.800 Bill a very persistent agent. 1922 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:43.239 And then, as we stated earlier, Toby determined you can't 1923 01:29:43.319 --> 01:29:45.600 prove he's from here, but it tracks. 1924 01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:47.560 So the next couple spreads. I mean, there's really not 1925 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.000 much to talk about. The Silly Straws page is it's 1926 01:29:51.079 --> 01:29:52.199 just silly straws. 1927 01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:54.920 Yes, and this page is done by Louis Zong of 1928 01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:58.479 Louis Song Fame, of Louis Song Fame. Every day, Louise, 1929 01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:01.399 I literally watch Ratititu to like at least once. 1930 01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:03.760 And also just associate them with a Wee bear Bear 1931 01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:05.560 since they boarded on that show. 1932 01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:08.199 Yes, I love Schmorby's Guide to the Internet. 1933 01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:11.159 Yes, I hate that, but I accept that as part 1934 01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:11.840 of the Internet. 1935 01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:15.880 I associate them a lot with the mclaroys. They do 1936 01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:19.399 a lot of cover art for their stuff, like Carboys. 1937 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:21.880 A ton of animatic Griffin was the voice of Shwarby, right, Yes, 1938 01:30:21.960 --> 01:30:23.199 Griffin was Shmorby. Yeah. 1939 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.720 Oh, Louisong I think is directing a Pixar movie. It's 1940 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:27.720 coming out in the next few years. 1941 01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:29.880 So yeah, Lily, that's gonna be great. 1942 01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.039 I can't wait. I'm so excited. I love Louise's style 1943 01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:35.600 and like just humor. It's amazing. 1944 01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:40.199 The Silly Stress is specifically the only numbered page because 1945 01:30:40.239 --> 01:30:42.600 that's what you are asked to turn to if you. 1946 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:44.039 Don't shake his hand at the beginning. 1947 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:46.640 Yeah, but yeah, I had to use this page specifically 1948 01:30:46.720 --> 01:30:49.560 to anchor the numbering system to make. 1949 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.760 Sure you had the numbers right correct well. 1950 01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:53.840 And it's also we're about to get into the section 1951 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:57.520 we'rey divergent of exclusive Barnes and Noble pages. 1952 01:30:57.760 --> 01:30:59.920 This is the part where the Barnes and Noble limited 1953 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:03.399 edition has things that the regular copy does not have. 1954 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:06.640 Yeah. Was that a Barnes and Noble suggestion to like, 1955 01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:09.159 we want some exclusive pages or were you like, what 1956 01:31:09.239 --> 01:31:11.840 if we had these exclusive pages? Or were those pages 1957 01:31:11.920 --> 01:31:14.640 like you didn't have room for them in a regular 1958 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:16.159 allotted space. 1959 01:31:16.319 --> 01:31:18.359 It was one hundred percent of Barnes and Nobles thing 1960 01:31:18.439 --> 01:31:20.640 that they said, you know, we will in exchange for 1961 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.880 promoting the hell out of your book, we want a 1962 01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.840 special Barnes and Nobles version to encourage people to do 1963 01:31:25.239 --> 01:31:27.840 store okay, and we want, you know, they said specifically 1964 01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:29.720 sixteen pages of additional content. 1965 01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:30.920 Wow, all right. 1966 01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:33.479 I thought, was all right, let's just have some kind 1967 01:31:33.479 --> 01:31:38.039 of goofy, non essential but fun content that can sort 1968 01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.840 of slot into somewhere in the book to create this 1969 01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:43.560 exclusive edition. But it's like, yeah, like the thing is 1970 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:47.920 it's very fun to surround from the perspective of Bill, 1971 01:31:48.000 --> 01:31:50.399 and if they had said we need fifty extra pages, 1972 01:31:50.439 --> 01:31:52.039 that would not have been too difficult. 1973 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:55.680 I think my favorite of these bonus pages is probably 1974 01:31:55.720 --> 01:31:57.640 the moral Dilemmas, where it's just. 1975 01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:00.760 Oh, I don't have the Barnes and Noble addition, so 1976 01:32:00.840 --> 01:32:04.359 I had to just quickly read these bonus pages right 1977 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:07.239 now before we could discuss them. I read better when 1978 01:32:07.239 --> 01:32:09.800 I read out loud, and when I was reading more 1979 01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.760 of the lemmas, I literally had to take a break 1980 01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:17.720 because my cheeks hurt for laughing. A sick Lamborghini. 1981 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:22.640 Is that a picture of Yuskee reading. 1982 01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:29.560 Sick Clamborghini's Tokyo drifting toward a bunch of people at 1983 01:32:29.560 --> 01:32:31.840 a cool as Elle street race That will determine he 1984 01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:34.279 was kick in the streets. You could pull a lever 1985 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:36.960 saving the people, but this will end the race. And 1986 01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:40.479 but Diese will never learn a lesson about family. I 1987 01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:42.359 love how shy even Diesel. 1988 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:45.000 See. This is why I was so sad you didn't 1989 01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:46.960 get to see these like you were like, I didn't 1990 01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:49.399 read this. I was like, oh no, the only fast 1991 01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:50.920 and the furious references are here. 1992 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:53.840 Trolley is going to run you over it anywhere from 1993 01:32:54.479 --> 01:32:58.119 seconds to ninety years. There's no way to stop it 1994 01:32:58.239 --> 01:33:00.760 or predict when my cheeks hurt her, and you just 1995 01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:01.399 take a break. 1996 01:33:01.199 --> 01:33:01.720 For breathing this. 1997 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:05.399 It's so funny. I think that my favorite illustration in 1998 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.199 here is probably the Wija board, which I know, Alex 1999 01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:09.960 you have that as a prize for the New York 2000 01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:13.079 Comic Con costume contest that's coming up. 2001 01:33:12.960 --> 01:33:15.520 Which will be long over by the time this is released. 2002 01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:16.840 That is true. That is true. 2003 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:19.960 Yeah, so you you at home listening might have one 2004 01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:21.720 of these physically who knows. 2005 01:33:21.720 --> 01:33:24.680 And you will mail it to Mystery Shock. 2006 01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.479 Look fuck yes, we will use the later page to 2007 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:28.319 help with that. 2008 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.840 Bill describes the spirit board. How to use it is 2009 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.520 just invite over someone you've been looking for an excuse 2010 01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:37.680 to touch hands with, which of course that's you know, 2011 01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.680 standard Ouija board procedure. But I remember there's a clip 2012 01:33:40.720 --> 01:33:43.640 from the Next Time on Gravity Falls stuff from the 2013 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.840 pilot that iteration of Wendy. There's a clip of her 2014 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:50.319 using one of these with Dipper and then Dipper kind 2015 01:33:50.319 --> 01:33:53.319 of blushing when they touch hands, and I just thought 2016 01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:55.880 that was an interesting parallel, Like always kind of in 2017 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.760 the back of your mind, like, oh yeah, that's that's 2018 01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:01.239 the real reason that kids speech reports. It's just an 2019 01:34:01.279 --> 01:34:02.319 excuse to old hands. 2020 01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:05.199 I love the holidays page with my whole heart. 2021 01:34:05.279 --> 01:34:07.319 I think, yeah, the holidays page is definitely one of 2022 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:09.479 my favorites as well. I mean, we we all got 2023 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:11.600 a kick out of hit your boss for the car day. 2024 01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:13.720 I wonder what you're supposed to do on that day 2025 01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:15.520 they won't say in the book. 2026 01:34:15.720 --> 01:34:17.399 I think you have to read between the lines on 2027 01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:17.760 that one. 2028 01:34:17.840 --> 01:34:19.159 You have to really analyze it. 2029 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:23.239 Maybe that's something for the haulic asparracies. Then, because I can't, 2030 01:34:23.359 --> 01:34:25.439 I probably yeah, heads or tails of it. 2031 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:28.039 And then I know that. On the cult page, Louis 2032 01:34:28.119 --> 01:34:33.439 Zong did the brain seismograph meter and the cult flyer 2033 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:36.479 at the yard sale that was done by Emmy Cesaraega 2034 01:34:36.520 --> 01:34:39.560 and on August twentieth she actually tweeted a picture of 2035 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:42.119 the larger setup so you can see the other things 2036 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:45.359 on her fake yard sale table, which include there appears 2037 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:49.560 to be a clock, a goat or possibly a bison, 2038 01:34:50.239 --> 01:34:53.239 a turtle, to kissing statues that might be salt and 2039 01:34:53.279 --> 01:34:57.680 pepper shakers, a necklace, a crab, what looks like a 2040 01:34:57.680 --> 01:35:00.479 little lantern necklace, and she's got it from a couple 2041 01:35:00.479 --> 01:35:05.600 different angles, and then it looks like just bones maybe antlers, 2042 01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:08.239 um maybe hog bones maybe hog bones. 2043 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:12.000 I love on the messages on your TV section. MasterCard 2044 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:15.319 is spoofed as plastic card, but Visa is just. 2045 01:35:17.439 --> 01:35:17.720 Yes. 2046 01:35:18.640 --> 01:35:21.960 All Ford letters of visa have been replaced with the 2047 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:23.439 final A. 2048 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:25.840 Oh, and they take cipher pay. 2049 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:26.800 Oh that's nice. 2050 01:35:27.079 --> 01:35:29.760 So we start to get into back into the pages 2051 01:35:29.760 --> 01:35:30.800 that are in both versions. 2052 01:35:30.960 --> 01:35:32.279 This is where it sinks back up. 2053 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:35.560 Yes, we get into dream dream, which is where we 2054 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:40.880 really start to explore characters that we know. In addition 2055 01:35:40.960 --> 01:35:44.439 to Bill himself, rather than just talking about the extended 2056 01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:48.000 lore of the universe, we're actually talking about our familiar cast. 2057 01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:50.239 Also Ford confirmed plan sexual. 2058 01:35:50.560 --> 01:35:53.960 Yes, lgbt q U I A P. 2059 01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:56.479 I said plan sexual. 2060 01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:59.439 Yes it's it's I thought you said plant sexual and 2061 01:35:59.560 --> 01:36:02.239 was starting to go into like the adventure zone. Yeah, no, 2062 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:05.399 plan sexual. I think I might be plant sexual. 2063 01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:09.720 I also love blobs. Only dreams about Darlin. Darlin only 2064 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.279 dreams about blobs, like they are literally incapable of having 2065 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:14.159 other dreams. 2066 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:16.319 Yeah, sweet babies. 2067 01:36:16.359 --> 01:36:19.800 Some of the saddest ones are Wendy almost always dreams 2068 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:23.319 about her mom. Mabel has constant nightmares about being unable 2069 01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:26.359 to save a dying pig, and Dipper has recurring nightmares 2070 01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:28.840 about overhearing a fight between his parents he wasn't supposed 2071 01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:30.560 to hear. Why do you think they were in such 2072 01:36:30.560 --> 01:36:32.199 a rush to get the kids out the door for 2073 01:36:32.239 --> 01:36:32.680 the summer? 2074 01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:37.359 Absolutely, which is a big yeah, the biggest Laura reveal. 2075 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:39.880 It reframes what the entire series says about. 2076 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:44.119 Uh, I mean it could. I mean, let me ask you, 2077 01:36:44.279 --> 01:36:47.199 would you send your kids off to stay with an 2078 01:36:47.640 --> 01:36:50.960 uncle who no one has seen in years and years, 2079 01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:52.680 who you don't even check in on, except for like 2080 01:36:52.720 --> 01:36:54.640 maybe one phone call just to. 2081 01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:55.439 Get some fresh air. 2082 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:56.479 Something is going on? 2083 01:36:56.720 --> 01:37:01.399 Yeah, yeah, oh my gosh. Then Bill, of course, uh 2084 01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:04.239 diffold just more embarrassing memories from Dipper, one of his 2085 01:37:04.319 --> 01:37:08.000 favorite pastimes. And this is probably where I laughed out 2086 01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:11.159 loud the hardest at this book, which is that Bill 2087 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:15.279 inserted fake spoilers of the author's identity into his head 2088 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:18.079 every night, and he fell for every one of them. 2089 01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:23.560 And they're all reimaginings of the fake mcgugget author. Leak 2090 01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:27.359 one is of Tyler cute Bicker writing the journal. 2091 01:37:27.159 --> 01:37:29.279 And his pen has a little fuzzy ball on the 2092 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:29.880 end of it. 2093 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.199 One is of Wattles with the peendust in his mouth, 2094 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:34.319 and one is of Gourney, who has written all. 2095 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.000 Over himself with crayons, and. 2096 01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:39.479 They're all framed exactly like that. The fake leaked image 2097 01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:41.199 absolutely incredible. 2098 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:44.199 Which also implies that Bill is the canon reason for 2099 01:37:44.279 --> 01:37:46.199 the leaked McGucket picture. 2100 01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:46.560 Yeah. 2101 01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:48.439 Yeah, here's another one I have to point out about 2102 01:37:48.439 --> 01:37:51.920 this page. We see Dipper a picture of him on 2103 01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:55.000 the World TV, but we see a Super Nintendo on 2104 01:37:55.079 --> 01:37:58.680 top of it, and instead of like making a fake 2105 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:04.520 parody game label that is just the Donkey Kong Country 2106 01:38:04.600 --> 01:38:08.479 or possibly don Kyng Country two label scaled down enough 2107 01:38:08.520 --> 01:38:10.920 that it will probably avoid copyright. 2108 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.960 Oh wow, and congratulations. You get a high five from 2109 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:17.920 Joe Pitt because he posted this on August nineteenth and 2110 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.079 said if any of you can guess what game is 2111 01:38:20.119 --> 01:38:22.600 loaded into the s NES, then you get a high 2112 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.039 five and a reminder that it's probably time to start 2113 01:38:25.039 --> 01:38:30.399 getting colonoscopies. That is true, I should I love the 2114 01:38:30.439 --> 01:38:33.720 mind of the people that make this show incredible. And 2115 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.680 then the Dipper search history over here was made by 2116 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:39.079 Emmy Cesaraega and it said I got to make a 2117 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:43.760 little fake web browser and funny search goof poor Dipper. 2118 01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:48.319 Which is styled after the Windows ninety eight version of 2119 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:49.359 Internet Explorer. 2120 01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:53.159 I think, yeah, yeah, I love the stream of consciousness 2121 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:55.680 that is the search history so much. 2122 01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:59.359 This actually okay. So Neil Cissi or Riga made a 2123 01:38:59.399 --> 01:39:03.680 famous image that went around Tumblr called Google Image Search 2124 01:39:03.840 --> 01:39:09.359 not working watermelons or something like that, where it was 2125 01:39:10.199 --> 01:39:15.760 the autocomplete just suggesting the weirdest possible things for several pages, 2126 01:39:15.840 --> 01:39:19.680 like size eight flizz bits and dumps that require you 2127 01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:21.039 to fail drug test. 2128 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:26.560 I really love the attracted to green eminem. Unhealthy green 2129 01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.800 eminem is smiling at me. Oh vest Rash, fighting best Rash, 2130 01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:32.840 living with best Rash, the. 2131 01:39:33.720 --> 01:39:38.840 Journey of these stages of grief there. Yeah, we seem 2132 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:41.039 to for accept that this is just a part of 2133 01:39:41.079 --> 01:39:42.800 who he is from now on. 2134 01:39:43.279 --> 01:39:45.840 Oh my gosh, this is so beautiful. The more I 2135 01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:47.159 look at this, the more I love. 2136 01:39:47.159 --> 01:39:48.960 Throw extra finger impress uncle. 2137 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:52.239 I love also the reveal on the next page that 2138 01:39:52.279 --> 01:39:57.399 the process of using blending to trick Mabel would not 2139 01:39:57.560 --> 01:39:58.359 like plan. 2140 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:01.680 A right, yes, ye. 2141 01:40:01.800 --> 01:40:06.079 This plan took some reconnaissance. There's some other attempts mentioned elsewhere. 2142 01:40:06.199 --> 01:40:08.159 Well, I mean throughout this book we get the notion 2143 01:40:08.279 --> 01:40:11.520 that like what Bill ultimately went with for for his 2144 01:40:11.680 --> 01:40:15.880 plan was like that, not even plans z it was 2145 01:40:15.960 --> 01:40:18.920 it was. He was several alphabets worth of plans in 2146 01:40:19.239 --> 01:40:21.640 before he landed on the one that actually worked. 2147 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:22.000 Yeah. 2148 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:25.359 His plan literally begun sixty five. 2149 01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:29.319 Million years ago, Yeah, when the dinosaur extinct. Yes, but 2150 01:40:29.760 --> 01:40:33.479 I love on this page there's a bunch of references 2151 01:40:33.479 --> 01:40:35.800 to fantasy and then it reveels they mean fantasy by 2152 01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:39.520 Mariah Carey. And then at one point one of the 2153 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:44.079 radical men, the dream Boys says that would be Mariah Scary. 2154 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:48.399 Yes, and this whole this whole page was emmy. 2155 01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:51.119 Yeah. So this is where Bill kind of threw Xyler 2156 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:53.920 and kraz. Bill gets the inkling that Mabel has this 2157 01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.680 anxiety about summer ending and childhood ending by extension. 2158 01:40:58.359 --> 01:41:01.399 And not an instant Yes, no question, it took him 2159 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:03.000 a bit to coax that out of them. 2160 01:41:03.560 --> 01:41:09.840 Yeah, what gives may may these aforementioned sads. Oh, and 2161 01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:12.159 you're right he did take the form of Chill Cipher, 2162 01:41:12.199 --> 01:41:13.239 as you mentioned earlier. 2163 01:41:13.439 --> 01:41:19.560 Yeah, Chill Cipher absolutely beautiful disguise unrecognizable from William and. 2164 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:23.279 Then his puka shell necklace burnt burnt into. He also 2165 01:41:23.880 --> 01:41:26.920 mentions that he enjoys having two eyes, but does not 2166 01:41:26.960 --> 01:41:29.479 include a second eye as part of his disguise. 2167 01:41:30.199 --> 01:41:31.920 Well, no, I think to him, the right amount of 2168 01:41:31.920 --> 01:41:34.920 eyes is what he Also he also calls Zyler and 2169 01:41:35.000 --> 01:41:36.000 Kras himbos. 2170 01:41:36.319 --> 01:41:39.079 I love it, they really are. They're so sweet. 2171 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.439 Oh and we get their full names, we get kras 2172 01:41:41.560 --> 01:41:45.199 Zazzler and Zyler q Blaze cras Zazzler. 2173 01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:47.920 It's such a good it feels good in the mouth. 2174 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:50.359 Oh. And then this is the saddest spread in the 2175 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:53.560 entire book. He goes into McGucket's mind as well to 2176 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:56.279 kind of suss things out before weird mgeddon. 2177 01:41:56.399 --> 01:41:59.119 Yeah, in this page is Ian and Joe. There's the 2178 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.920 raccoon wife, raccoon wife. I love the mountain don't though. 2179 01:42:02.680 --> 01:42:05.680 The mountain don't That is like almost exact to the 2180 01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:09.479 original label of mountain Dew when it was first released. Yes, 2181 01:42:09.600 --> 01:42:13.439 and then right above it is moonshine. The term mountain 2182 01:42:13.479 --> 01:42:17.359 dew originated as a slang for moonshine. The specific flavor 2183 01:42:17.399 --> 01:42:20.600 of mountain dew was designed as a mixer for moonshine. 2184 01:42:21.039 --> 01:42:23.840 So having the mountain Dew and the moonshine right next 2185 01:42:23.880 --> 01:42:26.920 to each other, ah means he's using that. He's the 2186 01:42:26.960 --> 01:42:30.239 one person still using mountain dew correctly. Yes, well, him 2187 01:42:30.239 --> 01:42:31.960 and a bunch of college kids, I guess. 2188 01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:36.319 And I like that they have the cuckoo clock from 2189 01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:39.960 earlier in the book animated into the book two. Yeah. 2190 01:42:40.079 --> 01:42:43.520 Yeah. Bill discovers that mcguckett's mind is just a whirlwind 2191 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:46.840 of the minder racing ray, and he also points out 2192 01:42:46.880 --> 01:42:49.319 that as a spark from the memory inferno hits him, 2193 01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:52.319 he feels a kind of pain that isn't hilarious, which 2194 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:55.560 is kind of foreshadowing that that's what destroys him. 2195 01:42:55.680 --> 01:42:58.800 And then we are onto the popsicle that Aaron Bothman 2196 01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:03.800 made that was earlier in the Gus saga. Yeah, but 2197 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:06.720 we also have on the next page that my story 2198 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:10.560 page like a redraping of the earlier image of Bill 2199 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:13.119 from the haha page, but with wallpaper this time. 2200 01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:15.920 That's right, Yeah, and cigarettes. 2201 01:43:15.359 --> 01:43:19.119 And cigarettes and this is a Ian world drawing again. 2202 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.000 I think that's Susa's house. 2203 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:22.359 Might be Susan's house. 2204 01:43:22.560 --> 01:43:24.039 The painting of the ducks. 2205 01:43:23.680 --> 01:43:27.199 Because life is like a hurricane. So we're going into 2206 01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:30.000 William the Spooky Pyramid's life story. 2207 01:43:30.039 --> 01:43:34.560 Now, that's true, including baby Bill, who really took off 2208 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:36.039 on TikTok for some reason. 2209 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:41.119 You actually predicted that back in our DreamScapers episode I did, 2210 01:43:41.399 --> 01:43:41.800 I did? 2211 01:43:41.840 --> 01:43:44.119 You know? I remember it like it was just last week. 2212 01:43:44.960 --> 01:43:47.319 See Okay. The whole time I was like, okay, don't 2213 01:43:47.359 --> 01:43:49.600 call him mister Peanut triangle, don't do it. 2214 01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:51.800 And then I that's all I could think of the 2215 01:43:51.960 --> 01:43:52.760 entire time. 2216 01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:54.800 When I saw him and I saw him die, it 2217 01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:56.840 was like mister Peanut died all over again. 2218 01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:58.680 So now there's going to be a baby baby. 2219 01:44:02.920 --> 01:44:04.840 Yes, And this is a Joe Pitt drawing, and it 2220 01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:07.560 says here he is giving the fans what they wanted 2221 01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:10.119 for over a decade. Comment below if you want to 2222 01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:12.079 spin off series, I have no power to do. 2223 01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:12.359 So. 2224 01:44:12.680 --> 01:44:14.800 This is pretty much just a tie down of an 2225 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:15.800 Alex Hurst sketch. 2226 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:16.840 Yeah it's great. 2227 01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:19.800 So basically I guess you just designed this Alex and 2228 01:44:19.840 --> 01:44:21.520 then Ian drew it. 2229 01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:22.439 It's fantastic. 2230 01:44:22.720 --> 01:44:24.760 No, no, no, it's so perfect. 2231 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:26.640 It does put to one interesting detail. 2232 01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:30.600 His arms are yellow here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which many 2233 01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:31.520 have taken. 2234 01:44:31.279 --> 01:44:32.880 To mean that he wears gloves. 2235 01:44:32.920 --> 01:44:36.119 He is wearing long black gloves at all times. 2236 01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:37.199 Oh, I mean, of course. 2237 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:41.239 Yeah, we've gotten hints at this. He talked about Flatland 2238 01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:43.800 in the billsipher Ama. 2239 01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:48.840 User archive mod asked, do you know what spawned your existence? Bill? 2240 01:44:48.920 --> 01:44:53.520 Says Edwin Abbott. Abbott has a decent idea, and Edwin A. 2241 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:55.960 Abbott is the author of Flatland, which is a book 2242 01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:59.000 series about a world populated by geometric shapes. 2243 01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:01.199 It is really and where Mageddon. 2244 01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:04.720 He says, imagine living in the second dimension, flat minds, 2245 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:09.000 in a flat world with flat dreams. I liberated my dimension, Stanford, 2246 01:45:09.000 --> 01:45:10.560 and I'm here to liberate yours. 2247 01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:13.359 The destruction of his homeworld might not have been as 2248 01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:16.800 intentional as we have been led to believe up to 2249 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:17.319 this point. 2250 01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:20.199 Yes, right, And I think that later in the book 2251 01:45:20.239 --> 01:45:23.359 it does confirm that, I would say, with the like 2252 01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.600 quietness of his answer of how everything went down. 2253 01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:29.880 And also we learned that basically he just got his 2254 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:34.720 start as a conspiracy theorist from Euclidia, from flat Land, Yes, 2255 01:45:34.920 --> 01:45:37.079 who believed in a third dimension. 2256 01:45:37.479 --> 01:45:40.079 And something about episodes of Family Matters. 2257 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:41.720 Something about episodes of family matters. 2258 01:45:41.439 --> 01:45:43.720 Well, that he was born with the ability to see 2259 01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:46.840 past the second dimension into the third dimension, and no 2260 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:48.359 one truly believed him. 2261 01:45:48.439 --> 01:45:51.319 Yes, that's where Steve Verkle lives. That's Steve Verkle's domain 2262 01:45:51.479 --> 01:45:51.880 of course. 2263 01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:54.479 Yeah, which I think implies that either the other members 2264 01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:58.239 of Euclidia either have eyes facing the other sides, or 2265 01:45:58.279 --> 01:46:00.640 if they even have eyes at all. But Bill's eye 2266 01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:03.399 is facing upward, which means that he can see that 2267 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:05.439 third dimension as well as. 2268 01:46:05.239 --> 01:46:09.000 When we see his mugshot on the time Baby page. 2269 01:46:09.079 --> 01:46:11.119 His eye is the only part of him that is 2270 01:46:11.159 --> 01:46:11.920 three dimensional. 2271 01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:15.359 Yes, yes, And I don't think that he was the 2272 01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:18.079 first to be able to see it because it was outlawed, 2273 01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:20.399 because it was outlawed. So he's not the first to 2274 01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.560 have had this eye, but he is the most recent 2275 01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:24.800 and the last. 2276 01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:28.920 Actually, this is a potentially a reference to a bit 2277 01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:34.000 by Carl Sagan in his demonstration of what the fourth 2278 01:46:34.039 --> 01:46:35.399 dimension would be. 2279 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:41.439 Let's imagine that we live in Flatland, a land designed 2280 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:45.319 and named by Edwin Abbott, a Shakespearean scholar who lived 2281 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:50.479 in Victorian England. Everybody in Flatland is, of course exceptionally 2282 01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:56.640 flatt We have squares circles, triangles. We have width and 2283 01:46:56.920 --> 01:46:59.680 length but no height at all. 2284 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:01.119 And the poor. 2285 01:47:01.000 --> 01:47:04.159 Square has to say, well, I was in some. 2286 01:47:04.359 --> 01:47:10.239 Other mystic dimension called up and they will pat him 2287 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:14.439 on his side and comfort him, or else ask, well, 2288 01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:17.159 show us where is that third dimension? Point to it, 2289 01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:20.119 and the poor square will be unable to comply. 2290 01:47:20.479 --> 01:47:25.960 And there's another more overt Carl Sagan reference later in 2291 01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:28.600 order to create an apple pie from scratch, who must 2292 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:32.800 first invent the universe, which makes me believe how intentional 2293 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:34.399 was this? 2294 01:47:34.760 --> 01:47:37.640 And on the next page, Bill calls himself a pirate cake. 2295 01:47:37.760 --> 01:47:40.720 Right, because without a dimension, he's just in the nightmare realm, 2296 01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:44.079 the space between spaces that is not truly a home. 2297 01:47:43.880 --> 01:47:46.600 Which hearkens back to the original when you were looking 2298 01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:48.119 for a crew for gravity falls. 2299 01:47:48.199 --> 01:47:51.039 There's an old drawing I did. I could probably find 2300 01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:53.520 it if I looked hard enough, where it was a 2301 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.399 drawing of myself as a pirate standing on. 2302 01:47:55.319 --> 01:47:56.439 The prow of a pirate ship. 2303 01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.920 And it was like, you know TV show ahoy, need 2304 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:01.760 to crue pirate King boo. 2305 01:48:02.039 --> 01:48:05.359 I love this stupid family photo with the friends font. 2306 01:48:05.680 --> 01:48:08.800 Yeah, I'm picturing like a weird Magetdon version of the 2307 01:48:08.880 --> 01:48:10.039 Friends theme, and then the. 2308 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:12.359 Clapping never stops. Why won't it stop? 2309 01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:18.159 Yeah, no one ever told you life was gonna be 2310 01:48:18.319 --> 01:48:18.800 this week. 2311 01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:24.000 Your life's a joke. 2312 01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:27.199 Then then she's dads, and then the clapping continues for days. 2313 01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:34.279 And I always love a good like family picture where 2314 01:48:34.319 --> 01:48:36.560 everybody's wearing matching sweaters. 2315 01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:38.399 Yeah, and putting their hands on each other's shoulders. Who 2316 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:39.760 does that in real life? 2317 01:48:39.800 --> 01:48:42.800 Well, I mean awkward family photos had a couple like this? 2318 01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:45.239 Yeah? No, I just mean like, why where did that 2319 01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:46.039 get started? 2320 01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:46.199 Like? 2321 01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:48.960 Who was like, you know what looks really naturalistic? Yes? 2322 01:48:49.000 --> 01:48:51.560 When did this trend become reality? 2323 01:48:51.720 --> 01:48:52.039 Yeah? 2324 01:48:52.079 --> 01:48:54.920 It's so beautiful though, And I love the way Keyhole 2325 01:48:55.039 --> 01:48:58.800 is just touching Ironica's Ironica's booty because he can't hit 2326 01:48:58.840 --> 01:48:59.479 her shoulders. 2327 01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:01.840 Yeah, and the way eight Ball's just holding up Hector 2328 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:03.800 Gunn who doesn't have arms for the lease. 2329 01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:07.439 Yes. Oh, I love it so much, and we. 2330 01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:08.840 Get a fall bios. 2331 01:49:08.920 --> 01:49:10.319 I'm a hench maniacs. Yeah. 2332 01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:14.640 I also love the well seduce Smokey Bear for the 2333 01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:17.640 sick thrill of it is great. He hates fires, she 2334 01:49:17.800 --> 01:49:18.399 is fired. 2335 01:49:18.439 --> 01:49:20.399 I bet Gus Burnside would have a lot to say 2336 01:49:20.439 --> 01:49:22.319 to Pironica as. 2337 01:49:22.079 --> 01:49:24.279 Well as there's a Breaking Bad reference here. 2338 01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:27.920 Oh we love Breaking Bad references here on the pod. 2339 01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:31.159 Otro Loco is a character in season one of Breaking Bad. 2340 01:49:31.399 --> 01:49:31.720 Nice. 2341 01:49:31.880 --> 01:49:34.800 Yes, yes, oh we get another reference to Watacron nine, 2342 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:37.960 the Casino dimension from Journal three, which is where eight 2343 01:49:38.000 --> 01:49:38.680 ball was found. 2344 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:41.640 He's from everywhere from he heard a lot of Crown nine. 2345 01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:43.199 Yeah, oh yeah that too. Yeah. 2346 01:49:43.239 --> 01:49:47.000 Third dimension, third mention, I mean a lot of cross 2347 01:49:47.000 --> 01:49:47.880 don't dimension it. 2348 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.479 I think my favorite crew member is probably Dan Krableman. 2349 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:52.720 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 2350 01:49:52.760 --> 01:49:54.399 It's just a photo of the crab. 2351 01:49:55.600 --> 01:49:57.119 I'm just happy to be part of the team. 2352 01:49:57.199 --> 01:49:59.880 Next page has Pironica flashing her breast. 2353 01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:03.479 Yes, and this is done by Joe Pitt. On the 2354 01:50:03.520 --> 01:50:05.800 fourteenth he does confirm that this is a loop in 2355 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:09.239 the third reference lupon reference. 2356 01:50:09.399 --> 01:50:11.800 I love that Bill discovered a chemical element that makes 2357 01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:17.520 dimensional authorities explode and it's called no Pigium. Releasing my 2358 01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:19.319 Christmas album it was bad. 2359 01:50:19.439 --> 01:50:22.479 I want to hear his Christmas album. I need to 2360 01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:25.880 hear it. Love bad Christmas albums. 2361 01:50:28.079 --> 01:50:34.239 I'm giving Centa a Polis Christmas Wow, just like the 2362 01:50:34.279 --> 01:50:35.199 one you gave to me. 2363 01:50:35.800 --> 01:50:38.520 That's right, So Then Bill goes on to talk about 2364 01:50:38.520 --> 01:50:41.520 his dealings with the Time Baby, which sort of sheds 2365 01:50:41.560 --> 01:50:46.000 more light on Time Baby's backstory and how the glacier 2366 01:50:46.439 --> 01:50:49.880 aspect of it fits in with the Time Traveler's pig 2367 01:50:49.960 --> 01:50:52.760 information and how all that kind of puzzle fits together. 2368 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:55.000 So your people killed the dinosaurs? 2369 01:50:55.399 --> 01:51:00.079 Are you saying your people kill the dinosaurs? Technically the 2370 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:01.239 old people interesting? 2371 01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:02.720 I'm more like a dog than a human. 2372 01:51:02.800 --> 01:51:05.039 I love the Barbie Ken mugshot. 2373 01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:07.000 Bill over there, Yes the mugshot. 2374 01:51:07.079 --> 01:51:10.800 Yeah, criminal, sadistic, yellow guilty becomes I'm selling guy. 2375 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:13.359 I love that Time Baby knows what Coca melon is. 2376 01:51:13.399 --> 01:51:14.079 It's so good. 2377 01:51:14.159 --> 01:51:15.600 Buco melon was good today. 2378 01:51:15.760 --> 01:51:19.039 I shall take this dok secret to my grave. The 2379 01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.640 Baby comedy with Time Traveler comedy. 2380 01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:22.960 It's a great combination. 2381 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.279 I need you to support our empire, like how my 2382 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:27.800 neck barely supports my massive heads. 2383 01:51:29.520 --> 01:51:33.279 Then we get to Bill's reasoning for selecting Earth as 2384 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:36.319 sort of the new home that he would weak himself into, 2385 01:51:37.039 --> 01:51:40.359 and then we get a picture of the fresh crash 2386 01:51:40.399 --> 01:51:43.119 site through the cliffs of Gravity Falls, which is really interesting. 2387 01:51:43.359 --> 01:51:46.239 That's gorgeous, and how it's sort of just the natural 2388 01:51:46.520 --> 01:51:50.560 weirdness attracting properties of gravity falls that sort of caught 2389 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:52.239 Bill's attention in the first place. 2390 01:51:52.479 --> 01:51:55.119 Most of these images are Ian worrel. That land OrCAD 2391 01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:58.640 down at the bottom is Eduardo Valdez. Eduardo Valdez heavier. 2392 01:51:58.720 --> 01:52:01.520 And then we get the redwood rings again from the 2393 01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:02.640 Parks Department Twitter. 2394 01:52:02.920 --> 01:52:04.680 I personally love the gnome skull. 2395 01:52:04.800 --> 01:52:09.479 The Noome skull is fantastic. The affirming as are part 2396 01:52:09.520 --> 01:52:10.159 of their bodies. 2397 01:52:10.239 --> 01:52:13.239 Yeah, lot of hat bones in this book. 2398 01:52:13.439 --> 01:52:14.920 I know a lot of hat bones. 2399 01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:18.279 Unsurprisingly, well, the skull bones connected to the hat bone 2400 01:52:18.279 --> 01:52:18.720 after all. 2401 01:52:18.920 --> 01:52:21.960 Wow, they're good. I got to wreak this down. 2402 01:52:22.680 --> 01:52:25.039 And then we've got the Shawman over here, which is 2403 01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:27.520 the first contact on Earth right. 2404 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:29.159 Which was also mentioned in Journal three. 2405 01:52:29.479 --> 01:52:32.319 Yes, we had a little more detail about the prophecy 2406 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:35.800 and the symbols and how Bill initially is just like, ah, 2407 01:52:36.039 --> 01:52:39.199 doesn't really mean anything, or you know, he's not worried 2408 01:52:39.239 --> 01:52:39.680 about it. 2409 01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:41.600 Do you want to build a portal? 2410 01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:46.680 Yeah, that's pretty much The next several centuries of Bill's 2411 01:52:46.680 --> 01:52:50.279 life is just going around to various time periods and 2412 01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:53.840 figures within and trying and failing to get them to 2413 01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:55.039 build his portal. 2414 01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:58.239 And this history book page has like so many different 2415 01:52:58.359 --> 01:53:03.159 artists on it. This is Ian, Emmy Louis and Eduardo, 2416 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:06.239 so it's like a ton of collaborative work for this 2417 01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:07.199 specific page. 2418 01:53:07.239 --> 01:53:10.159 And I love the Egyptians didn't just mummify humans. They 2419 01:53:10.199 --> 01:53:13.439 mummified cats, hawks, ferrets, even bears. They use a special 2420 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:15.680 kind of sap from a rubber tree to allow these 2421 01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:20.159 mummy bears to bounce here and there and everywhere. It was, frankly, 2422 01:53:20.199 --> 01:53:23.199 in an adventure that was beyond compare. I guess you 2423 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:26.520 gotta patribute to your Disney TVA ancestor. 2424 01:53:26.840 --> 01:53:29.000 I mean, that's the very great granddaddy. 2425 01:53:29.159 --> 01:53:33.640 That's the first exactly exactly. Then we go into the 2426 01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.199 illuminated manuscript of Bill's time in the Dark Ages. 2427 01:53:37.039 --> 01:53:39.920 Which has a couple of owl house like obvious owl 2428 01:53:39.920 --> 01:53:42.720 house references. Whod he's there? There's the tight. 2429 01:53:42.800 --> 01:53:46.520 Ball yeah, and as well as this is clearly like 2430 01:53:46.560 --> 01:53:49.880 a stylistic homage to Monty pay in The Holy Grail, 2431 01:53:49.920 --> 01:53:52.840 and Bill directly calls this out by saying, Yeah, what 2432 01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:55.439 I'm looking for is by DVD of Monty Python and 2433 01:53:55.479 --> 01:53:59.800 the Holy Yes. This is probably one of my favorite 2434 01:53:59.800 --> 01:54:02.439 parts to the book. It's just my vibe. 2435 01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:05.239 I love the illustrations on this page, like I want 2436 01:54:05.239 --> 01:54:06.880 this hung up on my wall. I love this. 2437 01:54:07.119 --> 01:54:08.079 Who drew this one? 2438 01:54:08.359 --> 01:54:08.479 Uh? 2439 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:11.760 This is actually a collaborative. This is Ian Joe and 2440 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:13.000 Gore and Gligovak. 2441 01:54:13.119 --> 01:54:15.399 You should contact them see if you could get the original. 2442 01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:16.840 I resolution. 2443 01:54:17.119 --> 01:54:20.039 I might see if Mystery of Gravity Falls is thinking 2444 01:54:20.039 --> 01:54:22.960 about doing this as a poster, because if he is, 2445 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:24.720 I would very much like to get one. 2446 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:25.960 You should tell him he should. 2447 01:54:25.960 --> 01:54:29.720 If he isn't, I'll talk with my friend jess Oooh yeah. 2448 01:54:29.399 --> 01:54:33.199 Jessica's the one that usually mocks up designs with him, 2449 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.279 So I'll see if that's something they're thinking of. 2450 01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:38.520 To quote the cut song, It's gonna get weird, where 2451 01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:39.239 Bill says. 2452 01:54:39.439 --> 01:54:43.520 Throughout history, could you miss me? Seriously, I'm a little 2453 01:54:43.560 --> 01:54:44.079 the place. 2454 01:54:44.239 --> 01:54:47.680 This is basically this entire section where he talks about 2455 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:51.720 how there was a Bill panic throughout history, where Russian 2456 01:54:51.800 --> 01:54:55.560 mothers warned that Sifrashka would steal the dreams of children 2457 01:54:55.600 --> 01:55:00.000 who didn't finish their borsch and King Henry the eighth. 2458 01:55:00.039 --> 01:55:02.239 It was so paranoid about Bill visiting the dreams of 2459 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:04.600 his wives that he started chopping off their heads just 2460 01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:06.720 to kick him out of their brains. Yes, that was 2461 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:10.159 the real reason. He quickly ran out of options except 2462 01:55:10.199 --> 01:55:14.239 for the continent that had previously spurned him, Wacky Land, 2463 01:55:14.439 --> 01:55:17.600 or as it was later renamed, America. 2464 01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:20.680 I was heading to a bomben land of opportunity, a 2465 01:55:20.840 --> 01:55:24.560 land with a pioneering spirit which welcomed misfits like me. 2466 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:27.359 But I ended up an American. 2467 01:55:27.000 --> 01:55:31.880 Stand on this witchcraft page. Oh my god, wait, I 2468 01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.119 just caught this. I didn't catch this until now. Ella, 2469 01:55:34.159 --> 01:55:37.920 you're a prophet. Remember the drawing of Bill facing forward 2470 01:55:37.920 --> 01:55:40.439 with the sideways bird costume from what probably happened to 2471 01:55:40.479 --> 01:55:43.319 gravity falls zippik fiach foxo weird be Getting Part one 2472 01:55:43.359 --> 01:55:47.199 on my Youtubely look closely at the witch, the silhouette 2473 01:55:47.199 --> 01:55:49.680 of the witch in the background under Witch's rebellion. 2474 01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:50.840 Ela, you are a prophet. 2475 01:55:50.880 --> 01:55:54.079 That's Bill facing forward with a profile witch costume. 2476 01:55:54.680 --> 01:55:59.800 Huh amazing? I guess I doubled my profits there. 2477 01:56:01.000 --> 01:56:05.439 Yeah, what is going on in your No? Did you was? 2478 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.319 I guess? I don't know if I have it anymore. 2479 01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:10.439 Well, let's try. Let's try. Let's try, Ella, Elle, Yeah, Yeah, 2480 01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:13.319 let's try. Okay, what will be. 2481 01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:15.880 The next gravity Falls release. 2482 01:56:16.359 --> 01:56:22.760 Okay, I'm seeing gummy bears, Okay, shaped like SEUs. 2483 01:56:23.119 --> 01:56:26.439 Well, we'll check back on in about six years. Because 2484 01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:30.720 it's this page, Emmy Sesaraega used a little tiny, three 2485 01:56:30.800 --> 01:56:34.239 day printed bill from Mystery of Gravity Falls to make 2486 01:56:34.279 --> 01:56:36.439 the wax seal on that, and I think she might 2487 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:40.119 have treated the pages because she was tea dying pages 2488 01:56:40.159 --> 01:56:41.960 for a scroll, so I think this might have been 2489 01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:44.159 the scroll that she t died. 2490 01:56:44.399 --> 01:56:49.119 Interestingly, the page about Bill possessing a goat is a 2491 01:56:49.239 --> 01:56:53.000 reference to the twenty fifteen horror film The the Vich 2492 01:56:53.760 --> 01:56:55.840 or possibly I'm supposed to read that as the Witch, 2493 01:56:56.359 --> 01:56:58.520 but if you type in the Witch on Netflix, it 2494 01:56:58.560 --> 01:56:59.319 won't come up. 2495 01:56:59.560 --> 01:57:01.760 As we learned last night when I watched it. 2496 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:03.159 That's clearly two v's. 2497 01:57:03.520 --> 01:57:08.319 There is a goat named Black Philip for Vinegar Pete. Yeah, 2498 01:57:08.880 --> 01:57:16.199 he seduces these depressed puritans into a life of deliciousness. 2499 01:57:16.439 --> 01:57:17.760 Oh that's what that's from. 2500 01:57:17.920 --> 01:57:18.720 That's what that's from. 2501 01:57:18.840 --> 01:57:21.119 Yeah, I always thought that was like a McDonald's slogan 2502 01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:21.720 or something. 2503 01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:25.159 Well, you know, before Black Philip got this movie deal, 2504 01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:26.880 he did, you know, have to do a commercial here 2505 01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:29.079 and there to make goat rent in his. 2506 01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:32.199 Stable, and as we know, the McDonald's logo is two 2507 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:33.279 v's upside down. 2508 01:57:33.399 --> 01:57:33.960 That's right. 2509 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:37.399 How is that not a comedy movie quote? 2510 01:57:37.439 --> 01:57:40.039 What'st thou like to to live Deliciously? 2511 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:43.520 It is a hilarious quote to me, and I can't 2512 01:57:43.520 --> 01:57:44.920 believe it's from a harm. 2513 01:57:44.880 --> 01:57:47.880 Yeah, that's just the setup. Wait do you I mean 2514 01:57:48.159 --> 01:57:50.079 he'll be here all week because he follows it up 2515 01:57:50.119 --> 01:57:55.479 with what'st thou like to Taste butter? Because apparently it 2516 01:57:55.520 --> 01:57:58.199 was believed that eating butter was Unchristian at the time. 2517 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:01.560 So oh, so that whole that whole story, that whole 2518 01:58:01.600 --> 01:58:04.640 part of Bill's backstories. Just this is a reference. 2519 01:58:04.359 --> 01:58:07.239 To the Bitch. Thank you to Kesla in our discord 2520 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:08.479 for pointing me to that reference. 2521 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:11.439 Hey do you know the name of the goat that 2522 01:58:11.680 --> 01:58:15.119 played Black Philip in that movie? What? It's Charlie. 2523 01:58:16.199 --> 01:58:18.079 That's great, that's funny. 2524 01:58:18.479 --> 01:58:21.720 I also know Charlie is impossible to work with. There 2525 01:58:21.760 --> 01:58:25.119 are three times in the movie in which Black Philip 2526 01:58:25.279 --> 01:58:28.199 bucks the father with his horns, and then there is 2527 01:58:28.239 --> 01:58:32.239 one unscripted moment where Charlie does and they use that 2528 01:58:32.359 --> 01:58:34.159 take and like he could have died. 2529 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:37.479 Real diva, All right, back to America. 2530 01:58:37.600 --> 01:58:38.520 Ah, do I. 2531 01:58:38.560 --> 01:58:40.960 Have to No, you don't. 2532 01:58:41.319 --> 01:58:45.600 America is quoted as the only country by an American abe. 2533 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:47.479 Lincoln wore his hat so that no one could see 2534 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:49.880 Bill sitting on his head, pulling his hair and controlling 2535 01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:51.800 his body to make him cook grisotto. 2536 01:58:51.640 --> 01:58:53.840 God love me a ratitude we reference that. 2537 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:55.560 Is an alternate theory to the hand on his head. 2538 01:58:55.600 --> 01:58:58.279 One the hand might have just been Bill's disguise. 2539 01:58:58.479 --> 01:59:01.119 Maybe this next page, which is the love of my 2540 01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:03.800 life Johnny Crickets, I Love Johnny Crickets. 2541 01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:06.760 Now lay the anti cipher kind of skull and bones 2542 01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:07.840 club looking logo. 2543 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:11.680 Yes, yes, And there's like an extended picture of this, 2544 01:59:11.760 --> 01:59:13.359 So this is sort of a zoom in on the 2545 01:59:13.399 --> 01:59:17.439 full anti Cipher society area. But like, oh my gosh, 2546 01:59:17.800 --> 01:59:19.560 you gotta check out Johnny Crickets. 2547 01:59:20.319 --> 01:59:23.279 You will do. And so then we get because this 2548 01:59:23.319 --> 01:59:26.159 has been kind of shifting through narrators as Bill tries 2549 01:59:26.199 --> 01:59:30.119 different subjects. But then we get several pages written by 2550 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:34.720 Thurbert mudget wax Staff, the third, who is a copywriter. 2551 01:59:34.880 --> 01:59:38.119 He comes up with slogans and the fail son of 2552 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:42.960 a steel magnate and the photo of him here is a. 2553 01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:46.439 Selfie and the illustrations are done by Stephen DiStefano. But yes, 2554 01:59:46.479 --> 01:59:48.520 Matt Chapman is the selfie picture. 2555 01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:53.960 Matt Chapman sent us an email with the original image, 2556 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:58.439 so he says, Alex first texted me what's your current 2557 01:59:58.560 --> 02:00:02.520 facial hair situation? When I told him I was beardless, 2558 02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:04.760 he said they needed someone to dress as an old 2559 02:00:04.840 --> 02:00:07.720 timy man for photos for a section in the book. 2560 02:00:08.479 --> 02:00:10.960 A half hour later, I put on the cravat for 2561 02:00:11.079 --> 02:00:15.079 my kids Miles Edgeworth costume, pulled the shade off a 2562 02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:19.560 lamp and texted back my best old timey slash eraser 2563 02:00:19.640 --> 02:00:24.720 head poster photo which we'll be putting up on our Twitter, Instagram, etc. 2564 02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:28.359 Then they photoshopped the crap out of it, gave me 2565 02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:32.000 a mustache, crossed out my eyes, and now by forehead 2566 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:35.319 and chin are sort of in a published book, hooray. 2567 02:00:36.039 --> 02:00:39.319 So unfortunately the Edgeworth cravat has been edited out and 2568 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:42.880 replaced with this bow tie. And yeah, the reason there's like, 2569 02:00:43.159 --> 02:00:46.359 very very harsh lighting on one side of his face 2570 02:00:46.840 --> 02:00:50.239 is because Matt, with the hand that he's not taking 2571 02:00:50.279 --> 02:00:53.239 the picture, is holding a lamp that he took the 2572 02:00:53.279 --> 02:00:53.920 shade of. 2573 02:00:54.159 --> 02:00:56.600 I love the harsh lighting on the second like. I 2574 02:00:56.640 --> 02:00:58.479 think it adds a lot of character to the picture. 2575 02:00:58.520 --> 02:00:59.680 That there is that harsh lighting. 2576 02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:02.920 It's impossible not to read all of this like old 2577 02:01:02.960 --> 02:01:04.319 timey strong bed. 2578 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:08.319 Bounds, a saspar in a swimming hool, last one in 2579 02:01:08.600 --> 02:01:09.439 a freemason. 2580 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:11.760 I also think the illustration on the second page is 2581 02:01:11.800 --> 02:01:14.720 supposed to be Matt like by the face shape. 2582 02:01:14.920 --> 02:01:16.199 Yeah, it does look like Matt. 2583 02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:18.560 I also know this contains your favorite quote, Charlie. 2584 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:22.119 Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, I need to Should I 2585 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:24.159 do the Should I do the old timey strong bad voice? 2586 02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:26.439 Yes, yeah, please, sure enough. 2587 02:01:26.479 --> 02:01:29.640 When I relate the slogan to my boss, his cigar 2588 02:01:29.880 --> 02:01:33.560 fell from his mouth. So impressive was he, and he proclaimed, 2589 02:01:34.079 --> 02:01:37.319 you shall have the slogan and marry my wife. What 2590 02:01:37.439 --> 02:01:40.520 could I say? But yes, soon I was rich off 2591 02:01:40.640 --> 02:01:43.319 slogan money and married to my boss's wife. 2592 02:01:43.399 --> 02:01:45.239 As is the a African Tree. 2593 02:01:45.279 --> 02:01:48.199 And I love that it's written from this comically old 2594 02:01:48.199 --> 02:01:52.840 timey perspective, but it still tells like a genuinely haunting 2595 02:01:53.039 --> 02:01:57.039 story of this anti cipher society that forms and their 2596 02:01:57.119 --> 02:01:59.760 downfall as Bill, you know, messes with them all. 2597 02:01:59.840 --> 02:02:03.119 And it's also kind of backstory for why Ford knows 2598 02:02:03.159 --> 02:02:05.279 what he knows about fighting Ceipher to some. 2599 02:02:05.279 --> 02:02:06.680 Extent A little bit. 2600 02:02:06.760 --> 02:02:08.600 Yeah, I just want to point out we talk a 2601 02:02:08.640 --> 02:02:12.039 lot about getting things past the censors. My whole could 2602 02:02:12.039 --> 02:02:14.399 be yours. Large men need not apply. 2603 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:16.720 That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. 2604 02:02:16.880 --> 02:02:20.319 Dan Backside apparently took out an ad in this newspaper 2605 02:02:20.319 --> 02:02:23.880 as well, because there's a small ad at the bottom 2606 02:02:23.920 --> 02:02:24.880 that says. 2607 02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:28.479 All run about, you'll steal it and no one. 2608 02:02:28.399 --> 02:02:29.520 Will ever know. 2609 02:02:30.319 --> 02:02:35.079 We also get doctor B. Blanden's time pieces, The famed 2610 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:38.239 clocksmith of the West End Plains, Doctor B. Blendon has 2611 02:02:38.239 --> 02:02:41.359 this to say about his moveless clocks. If you're reading this, 2612 02:02:41.560 --> 02:02:45.279 help help me. I'm stuck in this time period. Help which, 2613 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:47.319 of course we knew from Journal three. 2614 02:02:47.439 --> 02:02:48.560 And then the portal drawing. 2615 02:02:48.840 --> 02:02:50.279 It's a steampunk portal. 2616 02:02:50.399 --> 02:02:53.000 I do love that it requires at least six stout 2617 02:02:53.079 --> 02:02:54.119 lads to operate. 2618 02:02:54.279 --> 02:02:56.760 Ian Worrel drew up the initial drawings for it, but 2619 02:02:57.680 --> 02:02:59.920 he's not sure who finished it. But the page's cried 2620 02:03:00.159 --> 02:03:02.359 to Danny Hines, Emmy Ciria Gutten, Joe Peck. 2621 02:03:02.439 --> 02:03:04.399 I'm just obsessed with this section. I could do a 2622 02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:05.960 whole podcast to this section. 2623 02:03:06.439 --> 02:03:08.319 If the folks want us to do something for the 2624 02:03:08.359 --> 02:03:13.600 Patreon unlike deep diving into specific sections rather than lossing 2625 02:03:13.600 --> 02:03:15.600 over it, email us if you want that. 2626 02:03:15.800 --> 02:03:19.119 Yeah, we get the Anti Cipher Society the Curse at four, 2627 02:03:19.760 --> 02:03:25.119 which includes Annie Oakley type parody named Delilah Gulch. Yes, 2628 02:03:25.359 --> 02:03:31.359 there's an inventress, a Tinkerer, Abigail Blackwing, Horace broad Shoulder, 2629 02:03:31.560 --> 02:03:36.439 the largest man I've ever seen, Yes, and Father Tinsley 2630 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:41.319 Opim whose last name is Opium. Just a former priest 2631 02:03:41.359 --> 02:03:44.399 who is drunk out of his mind all of the time. 2632 02:03:44.479 --> 02:03:46.079 That's really his thing. 2633 02:03:46.359 --> 02:03:48.720 Naturally he's the one to get possessed. 2634 02:03:48.399 --> 02:03:51.800 Of course, of course, and even later we get, as 2635 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:55.640 an alternative to wax Staff's anti cipher Conic, which apparently 2636 02:03:55.720 --> 02:04:02.920 contains turpentine cocaine, we have Father o Pim's brainwash, which 2637 02:04:03.159 --> 02:04:07.199 has a large label to print ingredients, seems vast and 2638 02:04:07.279 --> 02:04:10.039 empty because the only ingredient is alcohol. 2639 02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:14.039 I love that mountain dew code red is at the 2640 02:04:14.039 --> 02:04:17.840 bottom just for tat Yes, it's like the least amountain there, 2641 02:04:17.880 --> 02:04:20.039 but it's to taste the precious. 2642 02:04:19.720 --> 02:04:24.319 Morning moisture from a local mountain Peak tim scarlet by minerals, 2643 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:29.319 which we have fancifully named mountain dew code red. 2644 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:30.560 Very fanciful. 2645 02:04:30.680 --> 02:04:34.119 I'm sure you haven't listened to Bmore Chill, Alex, but 2646 02:04:34.239 --> 02:04:36.279 I know that in b Moore Chill, mountain dew code 2647 02:04:36.319 --> 02:04:37.479 red is what kills the squip. 2648 02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:40.199 Oh, that's right, Yeah, it's an anti possession. 2649 02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:42.479 It's an anti possession tonic. 2650 02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:45.359 Wait, I didn't catch this joke the last two or 2651 02:04:45.399 --> 02:04:47.880 three times I read this. At the beginning of the century, 2652 02:04:47.960 --> 02:04:52.880 Don Herold printed of pod powerful paper stock to fortify 2653 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:54.319 the news voice frail. 2654 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:59.039 Yes, and then at the bottom there's a I say, 2655 02:04:59.239 --> 02:05:01.520 the opinions of a man who simply walked up to 2656 02:05:01.600 --> 02:05:02.479 our typing. 2657 02:05:02.159 --> 02:05:06.880 Machine Inventioneer's Fair instead of the World Fair. 2658 02:05:07.079 --> 02:05:10.119 Yeah. That basically, the anti cipher society is invited to 2659 02:05:10.199 --> 02:05:14.039 an Inventioneer's Fair and they are essentially laughed out of 2660 02:05:14.079 --> 02:05:15.560 the place and committed. 2661 02:05:15.680 --> 02:05:18.159 That's also the plot of the Jungle Cruise movie. 2662 02:05:18.439 --> 02:05:23.800 Yes, yes, oh, okay, I that doesn't concern me. 2663 02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:28.520 But I love that Theodore Roosevelt hosts Teddy Talks. 2664 02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:34.520 Yes, you so crazy, I will. 2665 02:05:34.479 --> 02:05:36.640 I would watch listen. 2666 02:05:37.199 --> 02:05:39.479 I'm not asking you to spend more of your time 2667 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.039 in sanity making it. I'm saying I want to make 2668 02:05:42.520 --> 02:05:45.680 the Thurbert Mudget Waxed aff the third cartoon. 2669 02:05:45.560 --> 02:05:49.279 Now by cartoons, I assume you're referring to carcinogenic tunes, 2670 02:05:49.840 --> 02:05:53.359 since they've painted on cancer causing celluloid, which Bill eventually 2671 02:05:53.399 --> 02:05:55.479 tried to break into, which I think this is my 2672 02:05:55.520 --> 02:05:59.159 favorite section. Obviously, I'm biased as a cartoon stress myself. 2673 02:05:59.239 --> 02:06:02.399 As an animated I mean animatrix, I mean animattress, I 2674 02:06:02.439 --> 02:06:04.199 mean animatrix, animatris. 2675 02:06:04.279 --> 02:06:07.319 Yeah, as an animatrix, I love that. And then this 2676 02:06:07.439 --> 02:06:10.840 animation page is a combination of Matt Chapman, Louis Zong, 2677 02:06:10.920 --> 02:06:11.840 and Joe Pitt. 2678 02:06:11.680 --> 02:06:15.359 So supposedly not supposedly, that's a misprint for the Matt 2679 02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:15.960 Chapman one. 2680 02:06:16.039 --> 02:06:18.560 I suggested it might be the Bill Cipher. 2681 02:06:18.199 --> 02:06:21.199 Flow, but the Bill Cipher Flowed is a Louis Zong illustration, 2682 02:06:21.319 --> 02:06:23.479 so it might be a combination of Matt and Louis. 2683 02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:25.840 Nope, he says, I'm not sure what the second credit 2684 02:06:25.880 --> 02:06:29.000 is for. Honestly, as far as I knew, I only 2685 02:06:29.119 --> 02:06:30.920 sent one photo to be used. 2686 02:06:31.000 --> 02:06:31.399 Excellent. 2687 02:06:31.479 --> 02:06:34.319 Maybe it's just a funny miscredit like how my IMDb 2688 02:06:34.479 --> 02:06:36.520 claims I was on whose line is it anyway and 2689 02:06:36.560 --> 02:06:38.000 did a voice for veggie tails. 2690 02:06:40.439 --> 02:06:40.920 Amazing. 2691 02:06:41.000 --> 02:06:45.279 It's entirely possible that the photo of the parade was 2692 02:06:45.319 --> 02:06:48.319 taken by Matt and just posted it to like Facebook 2693 02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:51.600 or texted to them years ago or something, and he 2694 02:06:51.760 --> 02:06:54.840 did not. They didn't ask his permission or anything. They're 2695 02:06:54.880 --> 02:06:56.680 just like I think Matt took a picture of a 2696 02:06:56.720 --> 02:06:57.439 parade once. 2697 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:01.039 Maybe I don't know, but yeah, makes a deal with 2698 02:07:01.439 --> 02:07:04.920 one Elias Inkwell, no guess ass as to who that 2699 02:07:05.079 --> 02:07:08.640 is referencing the middle name of I mean, most people don't. 2700 02:07:08.479 --> 02:07:11.279 Know Walt Disney is short for something that's not just 2701 02:07:11.359 --> 02:07:12.560 his full Christian name. 2702 02:07:12.720 --> 02:07:15.439 His name is Walter Elias Disney, and that is his 2703 02:07:15.479 --> 02:07:16.399 full Satanic name. 2704 02:07:16.479 --> 02:07:18.560 Yes, of course, given a Satanic name. 2705 02:07:18.680 --> 02:07:22.199 Yes, I love the song for the cypher symphonies for 2706 02:07:22.319 --> 02:07:25.039 he's a jolly good fellow. He's pointing in dapper and 2707 02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:28.520 yello for he's a jolly good fellow. Now it's time 2708 02:07:28.520 --> 02:07:31.479 to release the bees. At this point, live bees will 2709 02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:32.319 be released into the. 2710 02:07:32.239 --> 02:07:34.680 Field and then there's just an image of a bunch 2711 02:07:34.720 --> 02:07:37.880 of people in an old timey photo under a marquee 2712 02:07:37.920 --> 02:07:41.039 that says cypher symphonies running and screaming as there are 2713 02:07:41.079 --> 02:07:42.520 bees surrounding them. 2714 02:07:44.159 --> 02:07:48.039 The illustration on the left is a Joe Pitt illustration. Notably, 2715 02:07:48.319 --> 02:07:50.399 there was a rat in there. He just posted on 2716 02:07:50.439 --> 02:07:53.159 Instagram on the sixteenth of August there was a rat 2717 02:07:53.199 --> 02:07:57.399 in the little hole underneath, and Disney specifically requested that 2718 02:07:57.439 --> 02:07:58.479 they remove the mouse. 2719 02:07:58.920 --> 02:08:03.079 I also love that Katir Elias Inkwell begs his employees, Yeah, 2720 02:08:03.079 --> 02:08:06.279 it's a brainstorm Katier away to exercise Bill. 2721 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:09.159 I mean, every sentence of this is flawless, Folks. 2722 02:08:09.239 --> 02:08:11.359 I'm in a bit of a bind here, but I'm 2723 02:08:11.359 --> 02:08:13.199 hoping you can put asid drawing a track of female 2724 02:08:13.239 --> 02:08:14.520 cows in skirts for a day. 2725 02:08:14.399 --> 02:08:15.279 And lend me a hand. 2726 02:08:15.960 --> 02:08:18.560 It pains me to admit this, but our last cartoon 2727 02:08:18.680 --> 02:08:21.119 was conceived by an immortal demon from a realm of nightmares, 2728 02:08:21.159 --> 02:08:23.319 and now he's after my soul. Of all things egg 2729 02:08:23.439 --> 02:08:25.840 on my face, I can assure you, well, I need 2730 02:08:25.880 --> 02:08:27.359 a way to get rid of the rotten fellow, and 2731 02:08:27.359 --> 02:08:30.760 I'm hoping one of your creative types can brainstorm Katier 2732 02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:34.119 a way to expel him from my brain forever. In Hollywood, 2733 02:08:34.239 --> 02:08:36.960 we create dreams every day. I'm asking you to kill 2734 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:38.960 one fifteen dollars to the man who can do it, 2735 02:08:39.399 --> 02:08:43.319 your boss, Elias inc. Weell, ps, I need a new character, 2736 02:08:44.199 --> 02:08:47.840 maybe a talking egg, a womanly dog, HOLLI the frog 2737 02:08:47.880 --> 02:08:48.520 with folio? 2738 02:08:48.560 --> 02:08:49.239 Is that anything? 2739 02:08:49.600 --> 02:08:52.840 And thank you to David gansel aka Doggins for voicing 2740 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:54.960 Elias Inkwell right there. 2741 02:08:54.840 --> 02:08:59.000 Yes, amazing job, Dave. That voice is canon as far 2742 02:08:59.000 --> 02:09:00.000 as we are all concerned. 2743 02:09:00.119 --> 02:09:03.000 Yes, yes, through Doggins of Belove You Day. 2744 02:09:03.279 --> 02:09:06.279 We should do a podcast with him sometime, Ella maybe soon. 2745 02:09:06.680 --> 02:09:09.399 So then they end up developing away to banish Bill, 2746 02:09:09.520 --> 02:09:12.560 which is a song called the World Is Small Ever 2747 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:16.520 After for Always, which is so catchy that any brain 2748 02:09:16.600 --> 02:09:17.199 that hears it, but. 2749 02:09:17.239 --> 02:09:19.079 There's no room for anything else in your mind. 2750 02:09:19.159 --> 02:09:22.760 Yes, we get into the nineteen forties in which Bill 2751 02:09:22.880 --> 02:09:26.159 started to hang out in nuclear testing ranges just to 2752 02:09:26.199 --> 02:09:29.800 see if portal could just be made by that much radiation, 2753 02:09:30.840 --> 02:09:35.439 and it temporarily worked apparently, is seen in this dossier, 2754 02:09:35.760 --> 02:09:37.560 which is French for dossier. 2755 02:09:38.399 --> 02:09:44.159 This unfortunately strikes any possibility that gravity Falls and Futurama 2756 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:49.039 share continuity, because Zoidberg was not the Roswell alien. It 2757 02:09:49.119 --> 02:09:52.800 was Billy and the Angry video game NERD movie for 2758 02:09:52.880 --> 02:09:53.359 that matter. 2759 02:09:53.760 --> 02:09:55.239 You know, there goes my theory. 2760 02:09:55.439 --> 02:09:59.000 So this is from Commander Buck Pearson, which is a 2761 02:09:59.039 --> 02:09:59.880 wonderful name. 2762 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:01.079 Incredible name. 2763 02:10:01.199 --> 02:10:04.479 Now that's the name of someone who was born with 2764 02:10:04.520 --> 02:10:07.720 the intention of becoming the commander of the US Army. 2765 02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:10.279 Mister and missus Pearson, what do you want to name 2766 02:10:10.279 --> 02:10:10.640 your kid? 2767 02:10:10.720 --> 02:10:12.720 Well, I think it should be a good strapping name 2768 02:10:12.760 --> 02:10:15.159 that can handle classified documents one. 2769 02:10:15.039 --> 02:10:18.479 Day, how it lifts the infant Listen, Maggot. 2770 02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:21.880 Blows cigar smoke in his face, which was good for 2771 02:10:21.960 --> 02:10:22.720 babies back then. 2772 02:10:22.800 --> 02:10:23.680 Yes, of course it was. 2773 02:10:24.159 --> 02:10:27.520 I love that Bill claims to be older than your mom, Jack, Like, 2774 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:30.720 I don't know. I love whatever they integrate these David 2775 02:10:30.800 --> 02:10:34.199 Lynches on the Yeah, the way Bill talks. 2776 02:10:34.479 --> 02:10:37.960 I really love that the thumb prints are more triangles. 2777 02:10:38.439 --> 02:10:39.720 Yes, yeah. 2778 02:10:39.760 --> 02:10:42.920 And there's the business card that Robin s Eddie designed. 2779 02:10:43.000 --> 02:10:43.920 Yes, it's beautiful. 2780 02:10:44.119 --> 02:10:45.960 I guess we get a hint at it's named the 2781 02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:47.359 Bureau of something. 2782 02:10:47.600 --> 02:10:49.640 So when I was reading this, it's a catch up 2783 02:10:49.680 --> 02:10:53.640 for this record when it says that just observing Bill's 2784 02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:55.359 blood made them a little nauseous. 2785 02:10:55.399 --> 02:10:57.680 I was looking at it and like, hey, it's working. 2786 02:10:58.000 --> 02:10:58.800 How about you, guys? 2787 02:10:58.960 --> 02:11:00.800 I'm okay, but I don't work dead. 2788 02:11:00.920 --> 02:11:03.079 Probably one of those one of those new colors. 2789 02:11:03.159 --> 02:11:05.800 Yeah, it resembles mercury a little. 2790 02:11:05.920 --> 02:11:07.520 Okay, that explains the taste. 2791 02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:13.399 Oh I love this next page this is yes, yes, yeah. 2792 02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:15.239 So we get it to the swing in years. 2793 02:11:15.479 --> 02:11:16.600 Weird fact about me. 2794 02:11:17.039 --> 02:11:19.680 I love dua like legitimate ram. 2795 02:11:19.920 --> 02:11:20.720 I listened to it all. 2796 02:11:20.880 --> 02:11:23.279 I mean, how can you not love doop. 2797 02:11:23.119 --> 02:11:26.119 Legit in my like top three musical genres, like I 2798 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:27.439 do listen to it a lot. 2799 02:11:27.720 --> 02:11:31.560 So the cipher tones is designed by Eduardo Valdez. Hevia 2800 02:11:31.600 --> 02:11:34.119 and I do want to read to you what caption 2801 02:11:34.199 --> 02:11:34.479 he did? 2802 02:11:34.560 --> 02:11:36.000 Oh please please yes me okay. 2803 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:38.359 So it's like, here's one of the illustrations I made 2804 02:11:38.359 --> 02:11:41.359 for Book of bill This rare vinyl only plays on 2805 02:11:41.399 --> 02:11:45.239 the limited edition Dan set Billigram turntable, making it pretty 2806 02:11:45.319 --> 02:11:50.640 much useless, which is sad because Bebop shoebop, double dop, 2807 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:54.640 moble Mop dibble hop wibble wop is a real bop. 2808 02:11:55.000 --> 02:11:57.279 If you'd like to see more of my illustrations, please 2809 02:11:57.279 --> 02:12:00.119 get Book of Billets out in stores already topping the chart. 2810 02:12:00.720 --> 02:12:04.000 And we can't see the full album in the book, 2811 02:12:04.479 --> 02:12:07.760 but in his Instagram post from August second, you can 2812 02:12:08.079 --> 02:12:10.880 and it's a triangle record with the eye in the center. 2813 02:12:11.079 --> 02:12:14.239 It reminds me of the CD shaped like Diddy Kong's head. 2814 02:12:14.119 --> 02:12:17.079 That would break the insert type of CD dress. There's 2815 02:12:17.119 --> 02:12:19.399 something that like you place a CD down on. It 2816 02:12:19.520 --> 02:12:22.119 was fine in those but the type that kind of 2817 02:12:22.159 --> 02:12:25.119 like swallows your CD, it would just destroy. 2818 02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:28.760 So, baby, you know, I will a parentheses shake hands 2819 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:31.079 with Bill from nineteen fifty four blew up the charts 2820 02:12:31.319 --> 02:12:34.399 until a moral panics started over the lyrics to the 2821 02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:37.920 sack Up Twist and Job then proceed to construct a 2822 02:12:37.920 --> 02:12:40.399 hoop of titanium capable of stabilizing a gateway to the 2823 02:12:40.479 --> 02:12:42.840 dark void of scream Eames. 2824 02:12:43.319 --> 02:12:45.840 Yeah, okay. 2825 02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:49.279 And also is it just me hmmm or. 2826 02:12:49.359 --> 02:12:53.560 Does Pluckin' Jim Pucket look a little bit like Friend 2827 02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:54.199 of the Show. 2828 02:12:54.119 --> 02:12:55.039 Key in Carlile. 2829 02:12:55.920 --> 02:12:58.640 It does kind of look a little bit like Friend 2830 02:12:58.640 --> 02:13:00.960 of the Show Key in Carlile. That picture is from 2831 02:13:01.039 --> 02:13:03.399 the Everett Collection in Alarmy. 2832 02:13:04.239 --> 02:13:07.239 So I'm realizing that, like this section of the book 2833 02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:09.439 is very like Forest Gump of like. 2834 02:13:09.520 --> 02:13:11.600 Yeah, it was there every point in history. 2835 02:13:11.800 --> 02:13:14.520 And then I got really good at ping pong. 2836 02:13:15.079 --> 02:13:17.760 I put my money in some Apple company. 2837 02:13:18.159 --> 02:13:18.359 Yeah. 2838 02:13:18.399 --> 02:13:21.000 I really love the featuring judgmental yodeling. 2839 02:13:21.239 --> 02:13:24.960 I love the quote I hate Bill Cipher more than 2840 02:13:25.000 --> 02:13:28.960 I love my son. And let's be clearer, plucking Jim 2841 02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:32.359 Pucket adores his son. It's not to say that he 2842 02:13:32.479 --> 02:13:34.079 doesn't love his son, but it. 2843 02:13:34.039 --> 02:13:36.039 Does speak to his hatred of Bill Ceipher. 2844 02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:39.039 Yeah, and then I love the design of the eighties computer, 2845 02:13:39.399 --> 02:13:42.359 the eighties mouse, in the eighties floppy disc. It's beautiful, 2846 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:44.239 maniac and tosh. 2847 02:13:44.279 --> 02:13:47.439 This is probably based on the Apple two, which was 2848 02:13:47.439 --> 02:13:48.560 the first Apple computer. 2849 02:13:48.680 --> 02:13:52.199 Confusingly well because Apples Apples already existed. 2850 02:13:52.319 --> 02:13:54.000 It's the sequel to Apples. 2851 02:13:54.239 --> 02:13:55.800 Yeah. 2852 02:13:56.000 --> 02:13:59.359 The blood slowly slowly oozing out of the disk drive 2853 02:13:59.560 --> 02:14:00.720 is very like, don't hug me. 2854 02:14:00.760 --> 02:14:03.239 I'm scared it ate some bump Kit's fingers. 2855 02:14:03.359 --> 02:14:07.039 So it's not Jam. Definitely notice not Jam. 2856 02:14:08.239 --> 02:14:11.680 I want to make these Triangel collections so badly. 2857 02:14:11.920 --> 02:14:13.720 They're so so u core. 2858 02:14:13.960 --> 02:14:16.159 They are very meat core. I'm probably gonna make some 2859 02:14:16.199 --> 02:14:18.560 of these for my collection. They're gonna go next to 2860 02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:21.800 my toilet. Ed Gralan Poe Edgar allan poet sitting on 2861 02:14:21.840 --> 02:14:23.960 a toilet reading a book with his pants fully up. 2862 02:14:24.159 --> 02:14:29.520 Now with slightly less lead, less poison, more value. What 2863 02:14:29.640 --> 02:14:30.640 is the original called. 2864 02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:32.239 They're basically precious moments. 2865 02:14:32.439 --> 02:14:35.359 Yes, yeah, I don't know too much about precious moments, 2866 02:14:35.479 --> 02:14:39.279 but quick Google appointed me to the fact that they 2867 02:14:39.479 --> 02:14:40.960 own a church. 2868 02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:45.520 Yes, yeah, my tracks. I mean it's all rooted in 2869 02:14:45.680 --> 02:14:48.079 like Christian patriotism. 2870 02:14:48.399 --> 02:14:52.800 So that's exactly it, though, is like that feels teetering 2871 02:14:52.880 --> 02:14:57.840 on false idolatry? Is a church opened by corporation? 2872 02:14:58.560 --> 02:15:02.239 Oh my goodness, let me there's a there's a few 2873 02:15:02.880 --> 02:15:07.359 corporate churches that are We could go deep into that, Laura, 2874 02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:09.920 just maybe not today, but I'll say that I'm very 2875 02:15:09.960 --> 02:15:12.920 familiar with the precious moment statues, being from the Bible 2876 02:15:12.920 --> 02:15:15.119 Belt myself from McGucket territory. 2877 02:15:15.840 --> 02:15:18.439 It is funny that they're literally selling false idols. 2878 02:15:18.600 --> 02:15:24.079 Yeah, I'm forgetting is that. Uh Jesus loved capitalism. 2879 02:15:24.760 --> 02:15:25.239 That's right. 2880 02:15:25.520 --> 02:15:29.039 Notoriously did not throw over a table because of capitalism. 2881 02:15:29.359 --> 02:15:30.560 No, no, no, no no, I. 2882 02:15:30.479 --> 02:15:32.800 Mean he was a well he was a woodworker, right, 2883 02:15:32.840 --> 02:15:36.439 He actually carved little cheeby versions of himself and he 2884 02:15:36.439 --> 02:15:40.640 sold them to all his friends. Everybody bought one except Judas. 2885 02:15:40.680 --> 02:15:44.840 For some reason, this is an interesting page to me 2886 02:15:44.920 --> 02:15:48.399 because it's Bill like actually starting to not give up, 2887 02:15:48.560 --> 02:15:52.319 but admit that he kind of had a bad plan, 2888 02:15:53.680 --> 02:15:57.640 that he that he's running into complete dead ends everywhere 2889 02:15:57.760 --> 02:16:00.680 he tries to make a deal on Earth. 2890 02:16:00.920 --> 02:16:05.319 And in our episode on Journal three, I summarized the 2891 02:16:05.359 --> 02:16:09.479 book as the Smartest Man in the World explains to 2892 02:16:09.560 --> 02:16:10.840 us why he's the dumbest man in. 2893 02:16:10.840 --> 02:16:16.760 The world, as Hannah hyperfixates describes Ford as a himbo scientist, 2894 02:16:16.880 --> 02:16:19.439 which I feel like is the best description of Ford. 2895 02:16:20.479 --> 02:16:22.560 Oh yeah, and this one, the Book of Bill, is 2896 02:16:22.600 --> 02:16:24.960 more like the dumbest man in the world refuses to 2897 02:16:25.000 --> 02:16:26.399 admit that he's the dumbest. 2898 02:16:26.039 --> 02:16:26.680 Man in the world. 2899 02:16:26.760 --> 02:16:27.119 Hmmm. 2900 02:16:27.359 --> 02:16:31.119 The difference is that Ford eventually admitted that, and I 2901 02:16:31.159 --> 02:16:35.520 think Bill is just literally like to the grave his 2902 02:16:35.639 --> 02:16:38.680 refusing to acknowledge this. He doesn't even say, oh, I've 2903 02:16:38.680 --> 02:16:40.920 been running into these dead ends. It's just he says, 2904 02:16:40.959 --> 02:16:42.639 my big bat on Earth was starting to look like 2905 02:16:42.639 --> 02:16:46.000 a bad hand, Like he's just blaming fate or like 2906 02:16:46.120 --> 02:16:49.639 some something that's like, surely this is not my fault. 2907 02:16:50.040 --> 02:16:53.239 So It's credited both of these pages to Aaron Bothman, 2908 02:16:53.680 --> 02:16:58.280 Gabriel Sorez, and Eduardo Valdez Hevia, which I know Edwardo 2909 02:16:58.360 --> 02:17:01.760 Valdez Hevia did the screen the NaSTA, But I want 2910 02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:03.799 to know who did these chess pieces over on the 2911 02:17:03.840 --> 02:17:05.719 sixer page, because they are amazing. 2912 02:17:06.079 --> 02:17:06.159 Uh. 2913 02:17:06.319 --> 02:17:11.079 EDWARDO three D sculpted the models, and then Aaron Buffman 2914 02:17:11.360 --> 02:17:14.920 he three printed them and textured them and photographed them, 2915 02:17:15.079 --> 02:17:17.360 and then Ian did a little finishing on the end, 2916 02:17:17.399 --> 02:17:19.239 and then I did a little finishing on the finishing. Here, 2917 02:17:19.319 --> 02:17:20.799 let me show you guys something cool here. Let me 2918 02:17:20.840 --> 02:17:23.159 turn the camera on. Here's you know, here's one of 2919 02:17:23.159 --> 02:17:23.879 the chess pieces. 2920 02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:27.079 My gosh, wow, is she the queen? 2921 02:17:28.200 --> 02:17:28.719 I'm not sure. 2922 02:17:28.719 --> 02:17:30.159 I don't know if we fully figured out what was 2923 02:17:30.159 --> 02:17:33.079 what depends on I mean, if he asked dips. 2924 02:17:32.319 --> 02:17:34.079 The disco queen, the dancing queen. 2925 02:17:34.239 --> 02:17:36.239 Here's the dance and queen right there. His cap is 2926 02:17:36.280 --> 02:17:38.040 kind of at a weird angle because he was only 2927 02:17:38.040 --> 02:17:39.520 meant to be photograph from one angle. But when you 2928 02:17:39.520 --> 02:17:42.120 turn around, you know, I have all of them as. 2929 02:17:42.120 --> 02:17:44.479 Chess, gravity falls Monopoly in my home. 2930 02:17:44.559 --> 02:17:48.040 I mean, like Disney just uniquely doesn't give a sick 2931 02:17:48.079 --> 02:17:50.399 about merchandising their cartoons, and it was always a little 2932 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:53.319 sort of heartbreaking, you know that my friends, yeah, who 2933 02:17:53.360 --> 02:17:55.719 are making other shows, you know from college. I'm like, oh, 2934 02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:57.639 I go to New York and Times Square and I'm like, 2935 02:17:57.680 --> 02:18:00.319 I can buy like five hundred Finn and Jakes, and 2936 02:18:00.360 --> 02:18:03.040 they're just they're never gonna make you know, at least 2937 02:18:03.040 --> 02:18:05.200 then they were never going to make any merchandise. So 2938 02:18:05.520 --> 02:18:07.399 you know, with the book, I'm like, I'll just make 2939 02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:09.280 my own damn merchandise. I'm a fan. I want a 2940 02:18:09.319 --> 02:18:12.200 Gravity Falls chest set, so I'll commission when I want 2941 02:18:12.239 --> 02:18:17.440 Precious Moments figure of Bill. 2942 02:18:15.959 --> 02:18:17.239 I'll just make my own damn. 2943 02:18:17.120 --> 02:18:21.159 Precious Moments figure. I'll just create them because I want them, 2944 02:18:21.200 --> 02:18:23.319 even though that's a crazy thing to want. And and 2945 02:18:23.360 --> 02:18:25.399 then I'll just use this book as an excuse to 2946 02:18:25.479 --> 02:18:29.840 do the thing that would be fun anyway. Yeah, I 2947 02:18:29.879 --> 02:18:33.879 wanted Bill Cipher wigi boards, so I know I commissioned 2948 02:18:33.879 --> 02:18:35.000 Bill Cipher wigi boards. 2949 02:18:35.040 --> 02:18:38.559 Oh my gosh, all right, these next two pages Ian 2950 02:18:38.600 --> 02:18:41.760 Worrell and Joe Pitt. Oh boy, hope he draws me pretty. 2951 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.760 And again there we get the dimensional I like you, 2952 02:18:44.799 --> 02:18:45.840 pointed out Charlie. 2953 02:18:45.760 --> 02:18:48.479 Yeah, yeah, yes, I love this part of the book. 2954 02:18:48.719 --> 02:18:52.200 All of these pages are Andy Gunnsalvez, Emi Cesaraega, and 2955 02:18:52.280 --> 02:18:54.879 Joe Pitt. All of the Journal pages in the section 2956 02:18:55.120 --> 02:18:56.159 are credited to them. 2957 02:18:56.440 --> 02:18:58.680 I was excited because for the book of Bill, because 2958 02:18:58.680 --> 02:19:00.440 I was excited for something that was very much like 2959 02:19:00.479 --> 02:19:02.920 the polar opposite of Journal three, like sort of a 2960 02:19:02.959 --> 02:19:06.120 Bill's warped version of Journal three. But you know, oddly enough, 2961 02:19:06.120 --> 02:19:08.120 the part that did get me the most invested was 2962 02:19:08.200 --> 02:19:09.719 just more Journal three. 2963 02:19:10.239 --> 02:19:12.159 Yes, but never Journal two. 2964 02:19:12.399 --> 02:19:14.159 Never Journal two? Were Journal one weird? 2965 02:19:14.200 --> 02:19:16.680 Well yeah, because Journal two is just today I found 2966 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:19.319 this weird mushroom. I ate it. I probably shouldn't have 2967 02:19:20.079 --> 02:19:22.959 h that's all that's in Journal too. I would read 2968 02:19:23.000 --> 02:19:24.239 that fair point, so would I. 2969 02:19:24.440 --> 02:19:27.840 Yes, uh so. The when my waitress told me the 2970 02:19:27.879 --> 02:19:31.079 apple pie was made from scratch, I replied, incredible. I 2971 02:19:31.159 --> 02:19:34.120 must meet the chef who created the atoms. There's one 2972 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:36.799 of the most famous Carl Sagan quotes is in order 2973 02:19:36.840 --> 02:19:39.920 to create an apple pie from scratch, who must first 2974 02:19:40.079 --> 02:19:41.399 invent the universe? 2975 02:19:41.799 --> 02:19:45.000 You're Carl Sagan is a Kylo ren kermit. 2976 02:19:46.280 --> 02:19:48.760 I've heard impressions of him and never heard his voice, 2977 02:19:48.760 --> 02:19:51.000 and I'm like, he can't actually sound that much like Kermit. 2978 02:19:51.319 --> 02:19:53.319 And then I watched the clip that I was saying 2979 02:19:53.479 --> 02:19:56.280 the destruction of Bill's world resembled, and I was like, 2980 02:19:56.479 --> 02:20:00.000 oh no, they they're pretty good, pretty accurate impressionists. 2981 02:20:00.280 --> 02:20:03.639 If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, 2982 02:20:04.680 --> 02:20:07.680 you must first invent the universe. 2983 02:20:08.440 --> 02:20:11.399 So yeah, we open these lost journal three pages so 2984 02:20:11.440 --> 02:20:14.079 that Bill is giving us a peek into and he 2985 02:20:14.159 --> 02:20:17.479 teased this up as though Ford has torn out these 2986 02:20:17.520 --> 02:20:21.360 pages because they delve too deeply into his issues with 2987 02:20:21.440 --> 02:20:24.159 relationships in general, which does kind of open up a 2988 02:20:24.200 --> 02:20:27.639 question of like, why didn't they reconstitute in the journal 2989 02:20:27.680 --> 02:20:28.079 that we know? 2990 02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:30.520 But I mean it's possible that they did and then 2991 02:20:30.559 --> 02:20:32.200 he ripped them out before publishing. 2992 02:20:32.639 --> 02:20:35.639 Yeah, that's also more of a that's a theory on 2993 02:20:35.959 --> 02:20:39.120 that doesn't really belong in this particular room, so we'll 2994 02:20:39.159 --> 02:20:41.920 get to that later. But I really like the illustration 2995 02:20:41.959 --> 02:20:44.920 on the Cipher Speaks page because there's these little lines 2996 02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:48.639 on Ford's hands that I guess are just sort of 2997 02:20:48.680 --> 02:20:51.159 like texture or shading, but yeah, to me, make it 2998 02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:53.479 look like he's wearing like Mickey mouse gloves and I 2999 02:20:53.520 --> 02:20:54.280 really does. 3000 02:20:54.559 --> 02:20:57.239 Yeah, which, as we know, Bill is wearing gloves all 3001 02:20:57.239 --> 02:20:59.280 the time, all the time, so they have that in common. 3002 02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:02.959 Yes, But yeah, I mean these are basically more examples 3003 02:21:03.079 --> 02:21:06.360 of Ford getting buttered up by Bill. But I think, 3004 02:21:06.440 --> 02:21:10.079 like you alluded to, focusing more on how Ford is 3005 02:21:10.280 --> 02:21:14.680 a victim rather than how he's he did not exclusively 3006 02:21:14.719 --> 02:21:17.600 do this to himself. That Bill is a manipulat act. 3007 02:21:17.760 --> 02:21:20.479 I mean, it's it's it's a case of textbook manipulation 3008 02:21:20.760 --> 02:21:22.520 up but up up trauma. 3009 02:21:22.639 --> 02:21:25.799 But yeah, being able to see how the influence of 3010 02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:31.639 Bill slowly changes for it in these pages is so interesting, 3011 02:21:32.319 --> 02:21:32.639 and it. 3012 02:21:32.639 --> 02:21:36.200 Makes sense why Ford would focus excessively on the ones 3013 02:21:36.239 --> 02:21:38.600 that where you know, now he is in this humble 3014 02:21:38.680 --> 02:21:41.120 era of his life and he feels very bad, but 3015 02:21:41.159 --> 02:21:44.280 he's being too hard on himself and he's ignoring the 3016 02:21:44.319 --> 02:21:47.840 parts where Bill was manipulative, not just that Ford allowed 3017 02:21:47.840 --> 02:21:50.639 it to happen, but that Bill was active in that. 3018 02:21:51.120 --> 02:21:53.200 And I think it makes sense for Bill on his 3019 02:21:53.319 --> 02:21:55.760 side in his book to be like a credit where 3020 02:21:55.760 --> 02:21:58.600 credits due sixer on the brains of this operation. 3021 02:21:59.520 --> 02:22:02.920 I find out fascinating that Bill did love bomb forward 3022 02:22:03.000 --> 02:22:03.639 with rats. 3023 02:22:03.680 --> 02:22:05.239 Well that's one of his tips. 3024 02:22:05.479 --> 02:22:06.639 Yeah, and then. 3025 02:22:06.559 --> 02:22:09.840 Would disappear for months on end and not even tell him. Yeah, 3026 02:22:10.120 --> 02:22:13.040 but yes, he told us that leaving rats on a 3027 02:22:13.079 --> 02:22:14.479 doorstep is a great. 3028 02:22:14.280 --> 02:22:17.959 Way to uh flirt or find love interest interesting and. 3029 02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:21.840 Also that he specifically possessed each rat and placed it 3030 02:22:21.920 --> 02:22:22.719 in and. 3031 02:22:22.920 --> 02:22:25.639 Then I guess got the rat to just die into 3032 02:22:25.639 --> 02:22:27.600 the spot because he look, there's like x's on there. 3033 02:22:27.680 --> 02:22:28.600 I mean, that makes sense. 3034 02:22:28.840 --> 02:22:29.399 So this is. 3035 02:22:29.319 --> 02:22:33.760 Where Bill remembers Ford's birthday, and that's why he placed 3036 02:22:33.799 --> 02:22:36.879 all these rats on his porch. Yes, and he insists 3037 02:22:37.000 --> 02:22:41.399 upon getting Ford drunk, which is, you know, hugest of 3038 02:22:41.479 --> 02:22:45.959 red like he Bill loves red. Flats of them. We 3039 02:22:46.040 --> 02:22:49.879 do get a page written from the perspective of Ford 3040 02:22:50.879 --> 02:22:52.799 drunk off his Ford Gord. 3041 02:22:53.079 --> 02:22:55.559 One thing led to another thing. 3042 02:22:56.680 --> 02:23:02.639 Normally I tried a sober but he mixed the dream drink. 3043 02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:09.559 And gotta say, I gotta say, I just got look, 3044 02:23:10.040 --> 02:23:14.799 it's look, it's just being my journal here. I gotta 3045 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:21.799 say this, Bilga, He's really got it all. Figure it out. 3046 02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:27.399 Punctuated with ad aspera aspirin, which is such a funny reference. 3047 02:23:27.079 --> 02:23:38.600 And stranforord pie ad Asper Asper Strand from buh we 3048 02:23:38.680 --> 02:23:40.520 got a return of disco girl. 3049 02:23:40.559 --> 02:23:43.639 Or chronologically speaking, the first appearance true. 3050 02:23:44.040 --> 02:23:46.120 The first appearance would have been the years nineteen seventy 3051 02:23:46.120 --> 02:23:51.440 two and that girl is you? It's Silbiver. He did 3052 02:23:51.559 --> 02:23:56.799 a dream. Oh carry okay, disco. 3053 02:23:56.559 --> 02:23:59.319 Girl come true? 3054 02:24:00.200 --> 02:24:01.440 What girl is you? 3055 02:24:02.879 --> 02:24:03.000 Wo? 3056 02:24:04.399 --> 02:24:05.840 What color is Bill's hat? 3057 02:24:06.280 --> 02:24:09.920 I guess technically a dark brown because it's a sepiotone page. 3058 02:24:09.959 --> 02:24:11.440 What color is his bow tie? 3059 02:24:11.959 --> 02:24:16.959 Black? But he doesn't have his gloves on or his leggings. 3060 02:24:17.280 --> 02:24:18.239 Bill's naked. 3061 02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:22.280 Bill does appear to be naked with this man he 3062 02:24:22.319 --> 02:24:23.399 has gotten drunk, just. 3063 02:24:23.360 --> 02:24:29.879 A bow tie and a hat, which is so scandalous. 3064 02:24:30.440 --> 02:24:32.959 But yeah, it's that Bill is not only you know, 3065 02:24:33.719 --> 02:24:37.799 getting for drunk and giving him these gifts, but also, 3066 02:24:38.079 --> 02:24:40.680 you know, emphasizing the fact that two four he's like 3067 02:24:40.760 --> 02:24:43.719 the only one who cares because he's mulling over how 3068 02:24:43.719 --> 02:24:46.120 his birthday is difficult now that he and his brother 3069 02:24:46.479 --> 02:24:51.000 aren't talking. And it is that dichotomy that Bill exploits, 3070 02:24:51.079 --> 02:24:52.079 that loneliness, he. 3071 02:24:52.079 --> 02:24:55.319 Finds an instance to squeeze in there in a time 3072 02:24:55.360 --> 02:24:56.239 of vulnerability. 3073 02:24:56.399 --> 02:24:59.920 Yeah, we get Grifter, the grime Lifter, one of Stan's 3074 02:25:00.079 --> 02:25:01.200 classic products. 3075 02:25:01.440 --> 02:25:04.840 I would get like an entire catalog, right, just a 3076 02:25:04.920 --> 02:25:07.840 catalog of all of the Stanco products. 3077 02:25:07.399 --> 02:25:10.479 Of just like the horrifying puns and product. I love 3078 02:25:10.520 --> 02:25:11.479 it so much. 3079 02:25:11.600 --> 02:25:15.280 This page has another one of my favorite lines. Bill says, 3080 02:25:15.319 --> 02:25:17.159 you could have just absorbed him in the womb, you know. 3081 02:25:17.399 --> 02:25:20.000 Ford says, you can't just eat your twig bill at 3082 02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:22.680 Bill responds, you'd be surprised what you could eat. 3083 02:25:22.959 --> 02:25:26.959 Yeah, And I think the next page is one of 3084 02:25:26.959 --> 02:25:28.399 my favorites in the entire book. 3085 02:25:29.200 --> 02:25:30.959 It's fascinating. 3086 02:25:31.159 --> 02:25:35.239 Yeah, we alluded to it earlier, but basically Bill again, 3087 02:25:35.280 --> 02:25:38.559 this is a manipulation tactic, but he is also genuinely 3088 02:25:38.639 --> 02:25:40.959 vulnerable with Ford in a way that he isn't really 3089 02:25:40.959 --> 02:25:43.520 with anyone else where. He takes off his hat and 3090 02:25:43.559 --> 02:25:48.399 he pulls out a single atom or the last few atoms, 3091 02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:53.120 just a speck of his home dimension, where he says, 3092 02:25:53.200 --> 02:25:55.479 you know, in the passive voice, it was burned out 3093 02:25:55.479 --> 02:25:59.200 of existence. And Ford asks how by what? And he 3094 02:25:59.239 --> 02:26:02.079 says Bill looked distant, more distant than I'd ever seen him. 3095 02:26:02.120 --> 02:26:04.360 And Bill just says, by a monster. 3096 02:26:04.239 --> 02:26:06.959 Which does heavily imply that it was on accident that 3097 02:26:07.040 --> 02:26:08.200 his home dimension. 3098 02:26:07.959 --> 02:26:11.239 Leaves, yeah, leaves it open that there's either that there's 3099 02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:14.520 some guilt or that you know, how does Bill truly 3100 02:26:14.600 --> 02:26:17.879 view himself apart from all this self absorber and. 3101 02:26:17.879 --> 02:26:21.799 Ford offers to hunt it down and Bill responds. 3102 02:26:21.399 --> 02:26:24.319 Sixer, it would eat you alive. So like, this is 3103 02:26:24.399 --> 02:26:28.440 an insane amount of self awareness to be said for 3104 02:26:28.600 --> 02:26:30.280 William Mischief. 3105 02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:34.719 Cipher, especially after he just said you'd be surprised for you. Yeah, 3106 02:26:34.760 --> 02:26:37.079 but yeah, it's you can interpret the you know, him 3107 02:26:37.120 --> 02:26:40.040 telling his sort of his backstory to Stanford is like 3108 02:26:40.120 --> 02:26:43.559 he's either just toying with him, like he knows, like oh, 3109 02:26:43.719 --> 02:26:45.760 six or it would eat you alive, but inside he's 3110 02:26:45.760 --> 02:26:47.719 just going he doesn't know. 3111 02:26:48.040 --> 02:26:51.239 Or well it says he laughed joylessly before that, which 3112 02:26:51.319 --> 02:26:53.600 doesn't sound like how Bill usually laughs. 3113 02:26:53.920 --> 02:26:57.000 Well, and then Bill disappears for months at a time 3114 02:26:57.239 --> 02:26:59.639 looking into this next part. So it's like, I think 3115 02:26:59.680 --> 02:27:02.399 that he he is self aware and does know, and 3116 02:27:02.440 --> 02:27:04.559 I think he got too close, which is why he's 3117 02:27:04.600 --> 02:27:06.479 distancing himself for a while. 3118 02:27:06.520 --> 02:27:09.479 Intentionally to get Stanford to think, a, you know, maybe 3119 02:27:09.520 --> 02:27:11.479 he'll never come back. Maybe I imagined it and b 3120 02:27:11.959 --> 02:27:14.639 did I do something wrong, like was I not loyal enough? 3121 02:27:14.920 --> 02:27:17.120 You know, make him like desperate for that attention. 3122 02:27:17.360 --> 02:27:20.079 It's really really legitimately scary. 3123 02:27:20.360 --> 02:27:20.639 Yeah. 3124 02:27:20.680 --> 02:27:23.639 Well, it's also time doesn't work the same Bill does 3125 02:27:23.639 --> 02:27:25.200 not experience time the same way. 3126 02:27:25.280 --> 02:27:26.079 That's also true. 3127 02:27:26.200 --> 02:27:28.399 So for Ford to be gone for thirty years, that's 3128 02:27:28.440 --> 02:27:30.959 like thirty minutes in Bill's time, And it. 3129 02:27:30.920 --> 02:27:34.040 Also works out in Bill's favor because he would disappear 3130 02:27:34.280 --> 02:27:36.280 and then Ford would be like, oh, I haven't heard 3131 02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:38.079 from you in months, and Bill would be like, oh, 3132 02:27:38.280 --> 02:27:40.440 it's been like a day, and then you know, yes, 3133 02:27:40.840 --> 02:27:43.959 because Bill probably knows that Ford perceives that differently, but 3134 02:27:44.040 --> 02:27:44.399 he doesn't. 3135 02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:47.280 It reminds me of like the first Matt Smith episode 3136 02:27:47.479 --> 02:27:50.559 and the Girl in the Fireplace episodes of Doctor Who, 3137 02:27:50.600 --> 02:27:53.959 where like he keeps disappearing and reappearing at different points 3138 02:27:53.959 --> 02:27:54.719 in her life. 3139 02:27:54.760 --> 02:27:59.520 There's a bit later where Ford is like legitimately incensed 3140 02:27:59.559 --> 02:28:03.559 that he's been gone so long and Bill is like, actually, 3141 02:28:03.559 --> 02:28:07.280 it's your fault, and Ford instantly acquiescence. 3142 02:28:08.360 --> 02:28:08.600 Yeah. 3143 02:28:08.719 --> 02:28:09.559 Yeah, but yeah. 3144 02:28:09.600 --> 02:28:13.040 This part of the book showing just a relatively realistic 3145 02:28:13.120 --> 02:28:16.200 depiction of an abusive relationship, is the part that's like 3146 02:28:16.959 --> 02:28:20.799 the freakiest to me, not the nudity or swearing or blood. 3147 02:28:21.280 --> 02:28:21.520 Yeah. 3148 02:28:21.559 --> 02:28:22.040 Oh yes. 3149 02:28:22.440 --> 02:28:25.520 So we come to a winter break the winter time 3150 02:28:25.559 --> 02:28:28.040 and gravity falls against some obviously something we rarely get 3151 02:28:28.040 --> 02:28:31.440 to see. It's it's just nice to see the holiday 3152 02:28:31.440 --> 02:28:35.120 traditions acknowledged and to see that lovely illustration of the 3153 02:28:35.159 --> 02:28:37.319 Stan twins in a big honka sweater. 3154 02:28:37.399 --> 02:28:41.840 And I love any mention of Philbrick raising them Jewish 3155 02:28:41.879 --> 02:28:44.840 because you could tell me it's not addressed. 3156 02:28:44.520 --> 02:28:47.280 Much their mom. Let's be real, their mom reasing for 3157 02:28:49.000 --> 02:28:51.879 the words Philbrick and raising them don't. 3158 02:28:53.440 --> 02:28:55.879 In the same sentence, Yeah. 3159 02:28:55.200 --> 02:28:58.200 But yes, yeah, Like I imagine that she put them 3160 02:28:58.200 --> 02:29:00.920 in that sweater and he was like, you're still clothing them? 3161 02:29:01.200 --> 02:29:03.200 Can't they make their own clothes? By now? 3162 02:29:03.360 --> 02:29:08.559 I love this sweater so much though this like and 3163 02:29:08.600 --> 02:29:12.159 then over to these beautiful like presents from Fiddleford. 3164 02:29:12.559 --> 02:29:15.920 H yeah, and then instantly Ford is like, my god, 3165 02:29:16.040 --> 02:29:19.799 I'm a matuerk because I didn't uh, I didn't get 3166 02:29:19.799 --> 02:29:22.280 you anything and all that. Fiddleford says. He says he 3167 02:29:22.319 --> 02:29:25.879 only wished to hold my novel prize one day, which 3168 02:29:25.920 --> 02:29:29.520 is so sad. Yes, and again like speaks to how 3169 02:29:29.719 --> 02:29:34.120 you know, obviously not intentionally, but Ford was not a 3170 02:29:34.159 --> 02:29:37.200 good friend to Fiddleford. No, a long time. 3171 02:29:37.159 --> 02:29:40.360 Fiddleford is such a I love him like, he's such 3172 02:29:40.399 --> 02:29:41.159 a good character. 3173 02:29:41.399 --> 02:29:44.239 This next page, this is after Fiddleford leaves to go 3174 02:29:44.520 --> 02:29:46.159 visit his wife Ford. 3175 02:29:46.000 --> 02:29:50.600 Here's a noise outside. You know, it's the eighties, it's snowing. 3176 02:29:50.840 --> 02:29:53.559 He hears a noise outside of the house that would 3177 02:29:53.559 --> 02:29:57.920 become the mystery Shack and finds children's footprints leading to nowhere. 3178 02:29:58.799 --> 02:30:01.840 After he peers back inside to get his lantern. 3179 02:30:01.920 --> 02:30:04.000 Well, he also hears a loud bang noise. 3180 02:30:03.959 --> 02:30:07.479 So something must have happened there. Some kids must have disappeared, 3181 02:30:07.680 --> 02:30:09.399 and he must have peered his head out the. 3182 02:30:09.319 --> 02:30:11.840 Door and then gone back inside for the lantern. 3183 02:30:12.079 --> 02:30:14.200 What could that be? I wonder? 3184 02:30:21.479 --> 02:30:23.360 I love the tie ins to the shallots. 3185 02:30:23.959 --> 02:30:27.239 That's a return of the land orca acknowledgment that's still 3186 02:30:27.280 --> 02:30:31.280 set up earlier in the foot, as well as the 3187 02:30:31.319 --> 02:30:35.680 Bobba Yaga and the baby yoga. That's so cute, isn't 3188 02:30:35.680 --> 02:30:38.159 baby yoga that thing from the Mandalorian? 3189 02:30:38.360 --> 02:30:41.280 Yeah? I love also that he's just casually like yep, 3190 02:30:41.319 --> 02:30:44.680 those are crampus tracks and not like I didn't predict 3191 02:30:44.680 --> 02:30:46.840 the Crampas showing up simply because it was like, well, 3192 02:30:46.840 --> 02:30:48.760 he wouldn't have so casually observed it. 3193 02:30:49.719 --> 02:30:51.639 Yeah, But at the same time, he totally would. 3194 02:30:51.719 --> 02:30:55.319 That's no, that's Ford. That's the genius idiot who's like, oh, yeah, 3195 02:30:55.520 --> 02:30:57.719 Crampus tracks leading the Crampas. 3196 02:30:58.559 --> 02:31:02.000 Yeah. I I love that he's kind of annoyed by, 3197 02:31:02.120 --> 02:31:08.200 like the idea of this like seasonal themed villain. My 3198 02:31:08.319 --> 02:31:11.799 tolerance for his fairytale nonsense had reached a rock bottom, 3199 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:12.280 he says. 3200 02:31:12.399 --> 02:31:14.920 This is another one of my favorites. The glowing red 3201 02:31:14.959 --> 02:31:18.520 pentagram opens a hole to the Crampus's lair. He says, 3202 02:31:18.799 --> 02:31:22.200 on the bright side, it seemed very warm. On the downside, 3203 02:31:22.559 --> 02:31:28.879 it looked like Hell. Like, hey, that's nice. You know, 3204 02:31:28.920 --> 02:31:30.959 it was getting kind of cold in here. He opened 3205 02:31:31.040 --> 02:31:32.760 up a portal well to Hell. 3206 02:31:32.959 --> 02:31:35.040 But yeah, but it is warm. 3207 02:31:35.520 --> 02:31:37.799 Just the way his brain works is not just he 3208 02:31:37.840 --> 02:31:40.879 didn't just write it. As he opened a portal to Hell, 3209 02:31:40.959 --> 02:31:43.719 he was like, oh, he opened a portal. It was warm. 3210 02:31:44.559 --> 02:31:45.360 It led to Hell. 3211 02:31:47.000 --> 02:31:48.959 He's there with a bunch of kids that the cramp 3212 02:31:49.040 --> 02:31:52.000 is captured, and as they are all about to be 3213 02:31:52.079 --> 02:31:55.479 dragged to hell him and these children. He's thinking about 3214 02:31:55.799 --> 02:32:00.600 what his obituary would look like. He's thinking about himself. 3215 02:32:00.639 --> 02:32:03.159 They're saved by Bluegrass, Yes. 3216 02:32:03.799 --> 02:32:06.840 Of course, saved by a Fiddleford wielding the most powerful 3217 02:32:06.840 --> 02:32:08.920 weapon in his arsenal, his banja. 3218 02:32:08.959 --> 02:32:11.159 All grass gets kind of blue in the winter time. 3219 02:32:11.319 --> 02:32:11.920 That's true. 3220 02:32:12.040 --> 02:32:14.600 Fiddleford was so good for him, I know. 3221 02:32:15.239 --> 02:32:18.399 And then at fittingly, I mean they he allows Fiddleford 3222 02:32:18.440 --> 02:32:21.239 to play Grandma got run over by a reindeer. 3223 02:32:21.040 --> 02:32:23.479 A sacrifice graver than any I have ever. 3224 02:32:25.639 --> 02:32:28.719 I love the snowmen so much. They're so cute. I 3225 02:32:28.760 --> 02:32:32.200 love that McGucket has a carrot, but Ford just has 3226 02:32:32.239 --> 02:32:33.399 a potato for a nose. 3227 02:32:33.959 --> 02:32:35.840 I mean that is his nose. 3228 02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:37.360 It's accurate. Yeah, And then I. 3229 02:32:37.280 --> 02:32:41.680 Love when Bill returns. He definitely knows it's Christmas and 3230 02:32:42.120 --> 02:32:46.159 is with Ford because he says, Happy Halloween, catch any leprechat. 3231 02:32:46.239 --> 02:32:49.680 So it's like he's choking, like I don't have an 3232 02:32:49.719 --> 02:32:52.360 idea of holidays, but he definitely knows it is a 3233 02:32:52.440 --> 02:32:56.079 holiday and showed up on a holiday on purpose, and 3234 02:32:56.159 --> 02:32:59.000 he's just saying this to be like, whoops, I'm so silly. 3235 02:32:59.040 --> 02:33:01.399 I don't know what day it is. I didn't know 3236 02:33:01.639 --> 02:33:02.799 I was gone forever. 3237 02:33:03.200 --> 02:33:06.440 You're so smart for I do want a Bill Ceipher 3238 02:33:06.479 --> 02:33:08.479 elf on the shelf this year. I think that feels. 3239 02:33:08.479 --> 02:33:10.840 Oh we did describe him as an elf on a shelf. 3240 02:33:10.920 --> 02:33:11.239 Yeah. 3241 02:33:11.360 --> 02:33:15.159 He also crucially describes Fiddleford as a third wheel, which 3242 02:33:15.239 --> 02:33:17.920 kind of leads me to a question of how you know. 3243 02:33:18.440 --> 02:33:22.200 The decision to frame Bill and Ford's relationship the way 3244 02:33:22.239 --> 02:33:26.799 you did abusive obviously is the big decider, But the 3245 02:33:26.879 --> 02:33:30.079 shippers are talking, so I want to talk about the 3246 02:33:30.159 --> 02:33:33.639 idea of kind of almost too realistically at times displaying 3247 02:33:33.639 --> 02:33:37.760 an abusive relationship, and how the amount that you're allowed 3248 02:33:37.799 --> 02:33:39.719 to say or want to say on what. 3249 02:33:39.680 --> 02:33:41.719 You think the nature of the relationship was the nature 3250 02:33:41.760 --> 02:33:44.959 of the relationship in the show is clearly this guy 3251 02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:48.120 who wants to be seen as a great scientist and 3252 02:33:48.280 --> 02:33:50.600 is willing to risk everything for it and is at 3253 02:33:50.600 --> 02:33:53.920 the end of his rope, and then a god comes 3254 02:33:53.959 --> 02:33:56.479 from the sky and tells him everything he ever wanted 3255 02:33:56.520 --> 02:34:00.680 to hear about himself and gives him incredible powers and 3256 02:34:00.799 --> 02:34:03.799 access to things and answers to everything he's ever wanted. 3257 02:34:04.159 --> 02:34:06.639 And you know, you just have to ask yourself when 3258 02:34:06.680 --> 02:34:09.680 you're writing a story with these characters, like, Oh, how 3259 02:34:09.719 --> 02:34:11.760 would that make you feel? If God came down and 3260 02:34:11.799 --> 02:34:13.479 told you were special and hung out and was your 3261 02:34:13.520 --> 02:34:16.040 buddy and was always whispering in your ear and you 3262 02:34:16.120 --> 02:34:17.200 let them into your mind? 3263 02:34:17.600 --> 02:34:17.760 Right? 3264 02:34:17.760 --> 02:34:20.079 I mean that's canon in the series he says he 3265 02:34:20.159 --> 02:34:21.479 was free to come in and go in my mind 3266 02:34:21.479 --> 02:34:24.159 as he pleases. You know what degree of intimacy is 3267 02:34:24.159 --> 02:34:27.200 something like that? Can you imagine letting someone live inside 3268 02:34:27.360 --> 02:34:30.600 your brain? And if you were a dream demon who 3269 02:34:30.639 --> 02:34:33.120 would spent thousands of years trying to get one person 3270 02:34:33.520 --> 02:34:36.120 to be your salvation and a time and time again 3271 02:34:36.399 --> 02:34:38.959 they shut it up, and then suddenly somebody has the 3272 02:34:39.040 --> 02:34:41.479 power to do it, how would that make you feel? 3273 02:34:41.719 --> 02:34:44.600 You might feel like, what a sucker I finally got 3274 02:34:44.719 --> 02:34:46.360 Look this one, he's finally got it. He's the biggest 3275 02:34:46.360 --> 02:34:49.159 sucker of all. But then you're also feeling like, you 3276 02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:51.319 know what God's name would I do without him? Nobody 3277 02:34:51.319 --> 02:34:51.879 else can do this? 3278 02:34:52.079 --> 02:34:54.879 Yeah, and because we see that string of failures, especially 3279 02:34:54.920 --> 02:34:55.959 over history. 3280 02:34:55.920 --> 02:34:58.680 Yes, and you could sort of imagine if your bill, 3281 02:34:59.079 --> 02:35:01.239 You're like, well, in order to get this human to 3282 02:35:01.319 --> 02:35:03.280 do everything I want, I'm going to have to lay 3283 02:35:03.280 --> 02:35:05.319 it on thick. I'm going to have to play the 3284 02:35:05.360 --> 02:35:08.040 part of somebody who is, you know, their best buddy, 3285 02:35:08.079 --> 02:35:10.120 everything you want, anything you can imagine. I'm here for you. 3286 02:35:10.200 --> 02:35:12.280 Nobody else understands you, and you need to like a 3287 02:35:12.319 --> 02:35:15.280 cult leader. You need to keep them away from anyone else. Yeah, 3288 02:35:15.280 --> 02:35:17.479 you need to separate them from other people. You need 3289 02:35:17.520 --> 02:35:19.440 to keep them dependent on you. You need to sort 3290 02:35:19.479 --> 02:35:21.879 of intentionally disappear every now and then so that they 3291 02:35:22.000 --> 02:35:24.079 sort of grow to become addicted to your tension like 3292 02:35:24.200 --> 02:35:26.799 a slot machine periodic engagement. 3293 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:28.879 And it only gets heavier as we see a whole 3294 02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:33.959 spread of memorabilia from Ford's childhood and teen years, including 3295 02:35:34.159 --> 02:35:39.399 Ford and Stan's Your Book photo, which heartbreakingly, Stanley is 3296 02:35:39.879 --> 02:35:43.319 on one side with like his fist kind of pointed toward 3297 02:35:43.799 --> 02:35:46.159 where Ford's photo is going to go, like they're planning 3298 02:35:46.639 --> 02:35:50.120 to do a fist bump in their photos. And Stanley 3299 02:35:50.120 --> 02:35:52.760 didn't graduate and Ford is just. 3300 02:35:52.719 --> 02:35:55.920 Looking their blank like a muppet. No one's holding Yes. 3301 02:35:56.040 --> 02:35:59.000 It looks like that must have been after graduation, that 3302 02:35:59.000 --> 02:36:04.239 that was taken, So that was after Stanley left, was 3303 02:36:04.360 --> 02:36:07.319 kicked out. And I also love Stanley's so we know 3304 02:36:07.399 --> 02:36:11.280 what that Ford's you know catchphrase at astrepper Aspera, but 3305 02:36:11.479 --> 02:36:13.680 that Stanley's your book quote is I can fit my 3306 02:36:13.760 --> 02:36:14.959 whole fist in my mouth. 3307 02:36:15.040 --> 02:36:16.159 What agen it's I say? 3308 02:36:16.200 --> 02:36:19.639 For Stanley's senior stand out least likely to escape New Jersey. 3309 02:36:19.879 --> 02:36:20.200 Ha ha. 3310 02:36:21.120 --> 02:36:23.479 He got kicked out of New Jersey, thank you very much. 3311 02:36:23.680 --> 02:36:24.840 Booted from New Jersey. 3312 02:36:24.879 --> 02:36:27.840 Yeah, kicked out of so many states that his classmates 3313 02:36:27.879 --> 02:36:29.040 never would have imagined. 3314 02:36:29.440 --> 02:36:32.120 Embarrassingly, I could never figure I didn't figure out what 3315 02:36:32.200 --> 02:36:33.959 the igro maddened anagram was. 3316 02:36:34.079 --> 02:36:36.159 You did it, I thought, I thought when it went 3317 02:36:36.280 --> 02:36:39.440 past dreamed god Win, I was like, well, that's the one, 3318 02:36:39.760 --> 02:36:41.280 But nope, it is weird begeddon. 3319 02:36:41.399 --> 02:36:43.559 Yeah, it's weird mcgeddon. I looked at that and immediately 3320 02:36:43.600 --> 02:36:45.719 saw it. But I also am very good at jumbles, 3321 02:36:45.760 --> 02:36:46.600 just the jumbles. 3322 02:36:46.879 --> 02:36:48.280 I don't need no crosswords. 3323 02:36:48.399 --> 02:36:51.000 So then we get into the real terror because the 3324 02:36:51.040 --> 02:36:54.520 test of the portal happens. He Ford realizes that Bill 3325 02:36:54.639 --> 02:36:59.399 is actually working against him, and we get this this. 3326 02:36:59.440 --> 02:37:02.360 Battle of wills, of battle of bills. 3327 02:37:02.079 --> 02:37:04.760 Yeah, battle of Bill's Bill going in and out of 3328 02:37:04.799 --> 02:37:09.360 Ford's body, sabotaging himself and just all of the things 3329 02:37:09.399 --> 02:37:12.680 that Ford has to do to keep his body safe 3330 02:37:12.680 --> 02:37:14.760 and also somehow his mind sane. 3331 02:37:14.840 --> 02:37:18.000 There was a version of kind of this story in 3332 02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:22.959 Chourneal three for children. Yes, this is just straight up horror. 3333 02:37:23.360 --> 02:37:25.319 He finds the writings of wax. 3334 02:37:25.079 --> 02:37:27.280 Staff of the Anti Cipher Society. 3335 02:37:26.920 --> 02:37:29.680 And is able to build his own Bill hunting suit 3336 02:37:29.680 --> 02:37:33.079 where the gun he fired at Bill's hat originated. 3337 02:37:33.200 --> 02:37:35.680 It's more advanced, but it looks just as stupid. 3338 02:37:35.840 --> 02:37:37.040 I love it. It's great. 3339 02:37:37.280 --> 02:37:39.520 On the next page, it was at this moment that 3340 02:37:39.600 --> 02:37:44.280 I learned two interesting facts. Bill Cipher can possess corpses. 3341 02:37:44.879 --> 02:37:47.280 Bill Ceipher could possess. 3342 02:37:47.040 --> 02:37:48.920 Corpses exclamation mark. 3343 02:37:49.040 --> 02:37:51.159 This is also the moment where I realized, oh, yeah, 3344 02:37:51.200 --> 02:37:54.280 this is this is like a perfect book. It's like 3345 02:37:54.399 --> 02:37:57.239 two thousand and seven Chuck Norris Meme levels of awesome, 3346 02:37:57.280 --> 02:38:01.440 where it's like Bill's possessing zombie and then Ford says, 3347 02:38:01.479 --> 02:38:04.159 I've missed you, and then he says, but miamim is 3348 02:38:04.159 --> 02:38:07.200 getting better, and then he flasts the zomb bills and 3349 02:38:07.200 --> 02:38:10.000 then it's oh yes, bacon and he grows a mustag. 3350 02:38:10.239 --> 02:38:10.639 So good. 3351 02:38:11.360 --> 02:38:12.879 This section is terrifying. 3352 02:38:13.440 --> 02:38:15.920 Yes, like legitimately yeah. 3353 02:38:15.920 --> 02:38:20.600 The post its with just this, you know, cliche. 3354 02:38:19.920 --> 02:38:23.079 Not now I have a headache, which is referring to nothing, 3355 02:38:23.120 --> 02:38:24.079 I guesses, Oh. 3356 02:38:23.959 --> 02:38:29.520 My god, yes, Bill tapes a snake into the journal retaliation. 3357 02:38:29.760 --> 02:38:33.200 Ford plays the world as small ever after for always, 3358 02:38:33.479 --> 02:38:33.760 and he. 3359 02:38:33.760 --> 02:38:37.879 Wakes up in position to commit suicide but not having 3360 02:38:37.920 --> 02:38:38.360 done so. 3361 02:38:39.079 --> 02:38:42.159 Oh god, yeah, I knew he could have made me jump, 3362 02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:44.719 but he didn't. Why to send a message that I'm 3363 02:38:44.719 --> 02:38:48.799 his toy. He could spare me or take my life away. Horrifying. 3364 02:38:49.600 --> 02:38:51.319 We're not even at the worst part yet. 3365 02:38:51.719 --> 02:38:55.639 No, although I will say these next pictures are delightful 3366 02:38:55.680 --> 02:38:57.719 as a reader and horrifying for Ford. 3367 02:38:57.799 --> 02:39:00.520 There's some levity in here because there's a I keep 3368 02:39:00.520 --> 02:39:03.479 coughing up spiders. Why would he do this? I think 3369 02:39:03.559 --> 02:39:06.559 is my favorite image of just Bill possessing Ford to 3370 02:39:06.639 --> 02:39:08.879 just stick a nail through his hand, and then he's 3371 02:39:08.959 --> 02:39:09.840 raising a hammer. 3372 02:39:10.360 --> 02:39:12.440 And then there's one of him with a cop that 3373 02:39:12.600 --> 02:39:18.079 is completely still, like a bucking up palace Yogan, Yeah, 3374 02:39:18.159 --> 02:39:21.040 slapping his stubby and it's really red. 3375 02:39:21.280 --> 02:39:25.440 I really love the sock puppet on the first Yeah, 3376 02:39:25.920 --> 02:39:28.079 so good. I know that Emmy took the pictures of 3377 02:39:28.120 --> 02:39:30.680 the polaroids that they used for this, and she said 3378 02:39:30.799 --> 02:39:33.360 that on the backside of it. On the reverse side 3379 02:39:33.399 --> 02:39:36.959 of the polaroid is Neil as a child flipping off 3380 02:39:36.959 --> 02:39:37.479 the camera. 3381 02:39:37.959 --> 02:39:40.799 So he's watching a recording that Bill has made while 3382 02:39:41.040 --> 02:39:45.639 possessing Ford. He sees and I mean the terror alone 3383 02:39:45.680 --> 02:39:49.000 of watching footage of like you, your body, you doing 3384 02:39:49.040 --> 02:39:52.040 things that you know you didn't do. And he walks 3385 02:39:52.079 --> 02:39:55.760 up to a payphone. He dials up Stanley and he 3386 02:39:55.840 --> 02:39:57.479 basically says, I'm going to take a swim in the 3387 02:39:57.479 --> 02:39:59.520 frozen lake tomorrow. I might not come back. I just 3388 02:39:59.520 --> 02:40:01.440 want you to. If you never hear from me, it's 3389 02:40:01.440 --> 02:40:05.079 because I never loved you. Buy And then it's revealed 3390 02:40:05.079 --> 02:40:07.280 that he never actually called because the payphone was out 3391 02:40:07.319 --> 02:40:10.200 of order. And then you know, as Ford is horrified 3392 02:40:10.239 --> 02:40:13.000 watching this video, everything just goes black and he's in 3393 02:40:13.360 --> 02:40:17.879 the mindscape again and Bill just kind of monologues about 3394 02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:21.319 again that like when he appeared on the roof, classic 3395 02:40:21.719 --> 02:40:25.479 abusive relationship type of talk where you know you're my property. 3396 02:40:25.520 --> 02:40:28.079 Don't forget it. I can rewire your optic nerve so 3397 02:40:28.079 --> 02:40:29.920 that the sky's below you play a tone that gets 3398 02:40:29.959 --> 02:40:31.840 louder and louder until you bash in your own skull 3399 02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:34.399 just to make it stop. I can delete memories randomly, 3400 02:40:34.520 --> 02:40:36.600 just for fun. Maybe I already have. What do you 3401 02:40:36.680 --> 02:40:39.360 want to remember? Your mother's face, your own name? Who 3402 02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:41.719 are you? Anyway? And it's like he four describes it 3403 02:40:41.760 --> 02:40:43.799 as though he's flicking on and off a light switch 3404 02:40:43.879 --> 02:40:49.920 that he genuinely cannot remember his own name at Bill's whim. Basically, 3405 02:40:50.959 --> 02:40:51.840 Jesus Christ. 3406 02:40:52.040 --> 02:40:55.319 I think that labeling this as traveling two dimensions meant 3407 02:40:55.360 --> 02:40:58.920 for older readers was a good call, to say the least, 3408 02:40:59.040 --> 02:41:02.280 to say the least. Oh my gosh, Yeah, this is horrifying. 3409 02:41:02.479 --> 02:41:04.520 I fell to the ground on the verge of vomiting 3410 02:41:04.920 --> 02:41:07.879 any second. My tendons would pop, my bones would splinter, 3411 02:41:08.360 --> 02:41:10.879 And there's like there is a level of viscera to it, sure, 3412 02:41:10.959 --> 02:41:13.479 but I think it is. It's the emotional implications that 3413 02:41:13.559 --> 02:41:17.959 are the most horrible. Yeah, and then again he's reminded 3414 02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:21.959 of a genuine relationship that he took for granted in 3415 02:41:21.959 --> 02:41:24.760 Fiddleford and again in Stanley. 3416 02:41:24.440 --> 02:41:27.399 And the way, uh I know, Alex, the way you 3417 02:41:27.520 --> 02:41:33.680 described Fiddleford and Ford's relationship is sometimes you're in a 3418 02:41:33.719 --> 02:41:36.520 school where there's only one person who gets your sense 3419 02:41:36.559 --> 02:41:38.840 of humor and you become like two peas in a pot. 3420 02:41:38.920 --> 02:41:43.159 At this picture of them that has since been torn 3421 02:41:43.200 --> 02:41:44.440 up definitely shows us. 3422 02:41:44.360 --> 02:41:47.959 That with Ford just covered in post its screaming. And 3423 02:41:48.000 --> 02:41:50.399 that's the note really that that ends on is just 3424 02:41:50.479 --> 02:41:56.680 a reflection on this is the relationship that Ford finds 3425 02:41:56.719 --> 02:41:59.159 himself in now and these are the ones that are 3426 02:41:59.239 --> 02:42:02.959 left broken in its wake. We leave on a note 3427 02:42:03.079 --> 02:42:07.000 where it's right before he reaches out to Stan to 3428 02:42:07.440 --> 02:42:10.479 have him come uh to the lap to help him. 3429 02:42:10.760 --> 02:42:13.559 So then we go back to Bill's perspective and it 3430 02:42:13.600 --> 02:42:17.200 really is night and day. You know, Bill just doesn't 3431 02:42:17.239 --> 02:42:20.000 buy what he says is a sobs. 3432 02:42:20.239 --> 02:42:24.200 He says, somes were just practical jokes, some light hazing 3433 02:42:24.319 --> 02:42:26.680 to initiate him into my gang, just like the rest 3434 02:42:26.680 --> 02:42:30.079 of my hench maniacs. Look, it's not my fault if 3435 02:42:30.079 --> 02:42:33.479 mister tabletop Gaming rolled a zero on Sets of Humor 3436 02:42:33.799 --> 02:42:37.280 and he calls it one little spat and he says, 3437 02:42:37.399 --> 02:42:39.600 Fortsy swore eternal vengeance. 3438 02:42:39.920 --> 02:42:43.000 You sort of wonder, Okay, we'll find Bill, and we're 3439 02:42:43.000 --> 02:42:46.159 so close to getting the portal, and then my little 3440 02:42:46.239 --> 02:42:49.520 pet here they start. You know that they're pulling their 3441 02:42:49.600 --> 02:42:51.399 end of the You know, Magic got a pet dog 3442 02:42:51.559 --> 02:42:53.280 in you're you know, you're you're playing a tug of 3443 02:42:53.319 --> 02:42:55.040 war with a rope and they're pulling a little too hard. 3444 02:42:55.319 --> 02:42:57.000 You know, you might snap at the dog and then 3445 02:42:57.000 --> 02:42:59.639 it runs away, and then oh my god, what am 3446 02:42:59.639 --> 02:43:01.440 I do? I got to put up lost posters? 3447 02:43:02.079 --> 02:43:02.879 Where's my dog? 3448 02:43:03.879 --> 02:43:06.600 Now? Was to be alone in this house? What am 3449 02:43:06.600 --> 02:43:10.239 I gonna do? Like, you know, I think I was 3450 02:43:10.280 --> 02:43:12.719 reading up a lot about cult leaders, Like before I 3451 02:43:12.799 --> 02:43:14.600 wrote the book, I'm like obsessed with cults, but I 3452 02:43:14.639 --> 02:43:16.120 like did a little bit more sort of cult research, 3453 02:43:16.159 --> 02:43:18.399 and I was looking into, like, you know, cult leaders, 3454 02:43:18.440 --> 02:43:19.959 like what the hell I'll have in common? Because I 3455 02:43:19.959 --> 02:43:21.479 was sort of asking myself, you know, Okay, if I'm 3456 02:43:21.479 --> 02:43:23.120 going to explore Bill's origins, I want to sort of 3457 02:43:23.719 --> 02:43:25.600 what are what are people like this? What are they like? 3458 02:43:26.200 --> 02:43:29.920 And sociopaths are terrible at being dumped. They just cannot 3459 02:43:30.239 --> 02:43:32.479 handle it, Like it is so important to them that 3460 02:43:32.520 --> 02:43:34.760 they have control over the other person that the moment 3461 02:43:34.799 --> 02:43:37.760 you dump and go no contact with the sociopath, suddenly 3462 02:43:37.760 --> 02:43:39.639 you're the most important person in the world to them 3463 02:43:39.920 --> 02:43:41.959 because you're the one that got away. I was just 3464 02:43:41.959 --> 02:43:44.760 sort of taking the relationships in the show and asking, Okay, well, 3465 02:43:44.799 --> 02:43:46.840 if I spent more time with them, what does that 3466 02:43:46.920 --> 02:43:48.719 look like? If I'm trying to be authentic to these 3467 02:43:48.760 --> 02:43:51.719 voices and I'm trying to actually terrogate them, how would 3468 02:43:51.760 --> 02:43:53.440 they act? And then you put your fingers down, your 3469 02:43:53.440 --> 02:43:55.600 fingers type, and you're like, yep, that seems right. 3470 02:43:55.879 --> 02:44:00.000 And it's that he allows us to see Ford's perspective 3471 02:44:00.200 --> 02:44:02.799 on it, and then we snap back to Bill's perspective 3472 02:44:02.959 --> 02:44:07.040 and he doesn't even realize how it makes him come off. 3473 02:44:07.360 --> 02:44:09.399 He goes to you the readers, like, aren't I in 3474 02:44:09.440 --> 02:44:09.799 the right? 3475 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:13.040 Yeah, well, I think he's spent so long rationalizing things 3476 02:44:13.079 --> 02:44:16.000 in his mind. Again, this is an instance where you know, 3477 02:44:16.079 --> 02:44:17.559 Bill says, you know. 3478 02:44:17.600 --> 02:44:19.280 Yo, me, your buddies, You want to see journal three. 3479 02:44:19.799 --> 02:44:21.680 I got to pay his Well, wait, did you see 3480 02:44:21.719 --> 02:44:24.040 Ford at his lowest? This will be hilarious, you know, 3481 02:44:24.079 --> 02:44:26.680 and you'll see all just see how how how important I. 3482 02:44:26.760 --> 02:44:28.440 Was, and you'll see how he screwed me over. 3483 02:44:28.760 --> 02:44:30.959 And he's so sort of so in his own delusion 3484 02:44:30.959 --> 02:44:34.159 that he loses track of you know, I get I 3485 02:44:34.200 --> 02:44:36.479 don't know if you guys watched the Jinks. Yeah, but 3486 02:44:36.559 --> 02:44:38.879 like Bob Durst, you know, he got away with murder 3487 02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:40.879 and all I had to do is keep his mouth shut. 3488 02:44:41.000 --> 02:44:42.920 But they're like, want to do an interview, and he's like, well, 3489 02:44:43.040 --> 02:44:46.000 I would love the attention. That would feel yeah cool, 3490 02:44:46.120 --> 02:44:49.520 And then he then he talked talking to Bob Durst. Yeah, Caffy, 3491 02:44:49.680 --> 02:44:53.920 we killed them all of course, and the burning. You know, oftentimes, 3492 02:44:54.040 --> 02:44:57.120 especially cult leaders, especially late term cult leaders, like the 3493 02:44:57.200 --> 02:44:58.680 later days of l Ron Hubbard. 3494 02:44:58.760 --> 02:45:00.840 Have you listened to the Behind the Bastards on. 3495 02:45:00.799 --> 02:45:02.799 Those oh yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh they're so good. 3496 02:45:03.040 --> 02:45:06.000 Please to our listeners, please check out any Buying the 3497 02:45:06.000 --> 02:45:07.959 Bastards episode about l Ron Hubbard. 3498 02:45:08.000 --> 02:45:09.920 They're some of the best podcasts out there. 3499 02:45:09.959 --> 02:45:11.959 But it's like these guys, they will often tell on 3500 02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:14.440 themselves because they just no one is holding them accountable, 3501 02:45:14.440 --> 02:45:15.879 so they'll just be kind of bored. 3502 02:45:16.000 --> 02:45:18.920 El Rod Hubbard used to go around and tell people 3503 02:45:18.959 --> 02:45:22.200 he barely know, you know, you really wanted to make money, Yeah, 3504 02:45:22.200 --> 02:45:24.239 the way to do it would be the starter religion. 3505 02:45:24.520 --> 02:45:26.719 Yeah yeah, yeah. Well I mean it's like, I mean 3506 02:45:27.399 --> 02:45:29.520 Trump does this where he'll just be like rambling in 3507 02:45:29.520 --> 02:45:32.520 the middle of a speech and he'll be like, oh God, 3508 02:45:32.600 --> 02:45:36.479 which thing was it? Were some hateful dogs for the week? 3509 02:45:36.559 --> 02:45:37.200 I can't remember. 3510 02:45:37.239 --> 02:45:40.159 Well, there's one where he talks about just anti trans 3511 02:45:40.200 --> 02:45:43.760 rhetoric and gets a huge applause in the crowd and goes, you, guys, 3512 02:45:43.760 --> 02:45:45.959 aren't that passionate when I talk about the economy? 3513 02:45:46.079 --> 02:45:46.280 Yeah? 3514 02:45:46.399 --> 02:45:48.959 Yeah, really yeah, and he just like it, admits the 3515 02:45:49.040 --> 02:45:52.120 trans thing is a grit to get the Republican Party favors, 3516 02:45:51.879 --> 02:45:54.239 and he literally audience. He says, yeah, He's like. 3517 02:45:54.159 --> 02:45:56.079 When I talk about taxes, you don't care, but I 3518 02:45:56.120 --> 02:45:57.680 say all the bathrooms and you love it, So I 3519 02:45:57.840 --> 02:46:00.319 keep talking about it like you literally admits that this 3520 02:46:00.440 --> 02:46:02.639 means nothing to him, and that he's willing to trade 3521 02:46:02.680 --> 02:46:05.520 like the safety and dignity of other human beings. 3522 02:46:05.159 --> 02:46:08.159 For a brief, cheap applause, and he's giving away the 3523 02:46:08.200 --> 02:46:11.000 game like in a normal world that would be the 3524 02:46:11.079 --> 02:46:12.680 end of him. People say, wait a minute, he's just 3525 02:46:12.680 --> 02:46:14.280 saying what he thinks we want to hear. So like 3526 02:46:14.319 --> 02:46:17.000 these guys, when they're completely surrounded by their cult followers, 3527 02:46:17.159 --> 02:46:20.120 they will say the thing right. So it's like, to me, 3528 02:46:20.200 --> 02:46:23.079 it was in character. It's like Bill would never reveal 3529 02:46:23.120 --> 02:46:26.399 this intentionally, but he would be so confident that it's 3530 02:46:26.399 --> 02:46:28.280 a perfect phone call. Listen to it and it's like 3531 02:46:28.360 --> 02:46:29.200 clearly not Yes. 3532 02:46:30.360 --> 02:46:30.799 Yeah. 3533 02:46:31.120 --> 02:46:34.559 Bill goes for a few cold glasses of I'm Fine 3534 02:46:34.680 --> 02:46:38.159 juice at Oh Sad Last Multidimensional pub and the rock 3535 02:46:38.200 --> 02:46:41.479 bottom asteroid belt of the Vicious Spiral Nebula. 3536 02:46:41.719 --> 02:46:44.040 He just wanted to go where everybody knew his name, 3537 02:46:45.000 --> 02:46:46.120 Cyria gu It's. 3538 02:46:46.040 --> 02:46:49.399 A drawing of Bill drinking a mug of beer that 3539 02:46:49.559 --> 02:46:50.520 is larger than he. 3540 02:46:51.040 --> 02:46:51.280 Yes. 3541 02:46:51.799 --> 02:46:56.680 This next page is a call transcript for the dimensional 3542 02:46:56.719 --> 02:47:02.840 Authority as Bill is conducting various disorderly drunken shenanigans. 3543 02:47:02.040 --> 02:47:03.920 But not the fun kind like he was doing with 3544 02:47:03.959 --> 02:47:07.559 the hench Maniacs earlier. This is like the breakup kind. 3545 02:47:08.440 --> 02:47:08.680 Yeah. 3546 02:47:08.920 --> 02:47:11.319 The majority of it is from the perspective of a 3547 02:47:11.399 --> 02:47:17.440 woman working the drive through at Barrito Paradox intert Mexican restaurant. 3548 02:47:17.639 --> 02:47:21.959 Think outside known logical. 3549 02:47:20.479 --> 02:47:22.840 Authority, what's your emergency? 3550 02:47:22.920 --> 02:47:26.760 Yeah, I'm working to try people do Burrito a Mexican restaurant, 3551 02:47:26.760 --> 02:47:34.639 and they're just. 3552 02:47:31.840 --> 02:47:35.079 And she's just horrified that there is this drunken customer 3553 02:47:35.120 --> 02:47:37.000 who's causing all of these problems. 3554 02:47:37.159 --> 02:47:38.600 Has anyone heard, ma'am. 3555 02:47:38.879 --> 02:47:44.479 Imagine his body glitch through the ceiling and it's swimming around. 3556 02:47:45.360 --> 02:47:48.360 There's a kid who's crying super louder because his head was. 3557 02:47:48.760 --> 02:47:51.680 Ce reference to the old. 3558 02:47:51.920 --> 02:47:55.760 Gushers commercials still lives in my nightmares. 3559 02:47:55.840 --> 02:47:58.520 It's all starts when he orders one sixer please. 3560 02:47:58.760 --> 02:48:01.639 He ordered one sick, so please. We're talking back, this 3561 02:48:01.639 --> 02:48:03.079 doesn't make any sense, and. 3562 02:48:03.079 --> 02:48:05.639 He started crying, which, to be fair, that's a normal 3563 02:48:05.719 --> 02:48:08.280 customer service interaction. But then it gets weird. 3564 02:48:08.120 --> 02:48:10.399 Sir, this is a burrito paradox TM. 3565 02:48:10.440 --> 02:48:13.879 And then it ends with him crying because his mom 3566 02:48:14.000 --> 02:48:17.559 won't pick him up and not understanding where everyone in 3567 02:48:17.600 --> 02:48:22.040 his dimension went on. 3568 02:48:24.000 --> 02:48:29.559 I want you to I want bade her school synd 3569 02:48:29.600 --> 02:48:30.280 and forget again. 3570 02:48:30.360 --> 02:48:31.159 Put the gross off. 3571 02:48:31.319 --> 02:48:37.440 My sandwiches are all. 3572 02:48:37.040 --> 02:48:37.520 I'm doing. 3573 02:48:37.559 --> 02:48:52.559 You Beta, where did you all go? Where did hear that? Well? 3574 02:48:52.639 --> 02:48:55.360 We did only spend a mere six hours in dimensional 3575 02:48:55.399 --> 02:48:58.079 authority lock up for indecent exposure. So I guess the 3576 02:48:58.200 --> 02:49:00.319 gloves and the boots. 3577 02:49:00.879 --> 02:49:05.879 Yeah, yeah, I'm obsessed with this train set on the 3578 02:49:05.920 --> 02:49:06.559 next page. 3579 02:49:06.680 --> 02:49:07.760 Yes, oh my god. 3580 02:49:08.079 --> 02:49:09.840 This is all credited to Ian Morrel. 3581 02:49:10.000 --> 02:49:13.639 I think it's interesting that in that mild like two pages. 3582 02:49:14.360 --> 02:49:17.959 Bill never really gets his dignity back through the entire 3583 02:49:18.079 --> 02:49:20.920 rest of the book because this is kind of where 3584 02:49:20.920 --> 02:49:23.600 he gets into like like if this were like a 3585 02:49:24.159 --> 02:49:27.000 Ted talk or like a speech, like this is like 3586 02:49:27.079 --> 02:49:29.280 the call to action at the end of the commercial, 3587 02:49:29.360 --> 02:49:32.520 you know, because this is where he addresses you the reader, 3588 02:49:32.559 --> 02:49:35.799 and he explains how he needs you to help him. 3589 02:49:35.920 --> 02:49:38.559 He's like, well, now that I've earned your sympathy after 3590 02:49:38.639 --> 02:49:42.079 showing it big an abuser and then crying as exactly 3591 02:49:42.520 --> 02:49:43.639 himself that it didn't worry. 3592 02:49:43.719 --> 02:49:46.280 It's like maybe if he hadn't gotten so like full 3593 02:49:46.319 --> 02:49:48.079 of himself that he thought he could just show us 3594 02:49:48.159 --> 02:49:50.440 the journal pages and we wouldn't think any different, because 3595 02:49:50.879 --> 02:49:53.879 you know, you go through the human history segments and 3596 02:49:53.959 --> 02:49:56.799 you feel like, oh, this he's just like this hapless 3597 02:49:56.840 --> 02:49:58.799 guy who keeps failing at this goal. 3598 02:49:58.959 --> 02:49:59.639 Evil for ust. 3599 02:49:59.719 --> 02:50:02.520 Go, yeah, maybe you'd want to help this guy who 3600 02:50:02.600 --> 02:50:04.719 just forrest comes throughout history and then we see how 3601 02:50:04.760 --> 02:50:08.639 he affects forward and we're like, oh, no, you're horrible 3602 02:50:08.680 --> 02:50:09.760 and also pathetic. 3603 02:50:09.959 --> 02:50:13.159 The way that we connect to characters in fiction is 3604 02:50:13.200 --> 02:50:15.920 like if they're making entertainment happen every time they're on screen, 3605 02:50:16.000 --> 02:50:18.719 we just love them and we hate a character that 3606 02:50:18.799 --> 02:50:23.520 makes entertainment stop. So what characters create entertainment? Bastards? And 3607 02:50:23.559 --> 02:50:26.200 then we start to really relate to and sort of 3608 02:50:26.200 --> 02:50:28.719 sympathize with them, and you find yourself being like, boy, 3609 02:50:28.799 --> 02:50:32.280 I hope Walter White becomes the king pin of drugs 3610 02:50:32.319 --> 02:50:35.159 and destroys all who get in his way, and you're like, no, 3611 02:50:35.239 --> 02:50:36.000 he's a monster. 3612 02:50:36.319 --> 02:50:37.319 Why did I say that? 3613 02:50:37.479 --> 02:50:40.040 But when you're so compelling, And then when his wife 3614 02:50:40.079 --> 02:50:42.719 is like, maybe you should stop selling meth, you're like, boo, 3615 02:50:42.959 --> 02:50:44.799 get out of here, Skyler, And it's like. 3616 02:50:44.719 --> 02:50:47.000 Wait, wait, wait, no, she's right, you shouldn't sell maths. 3617 02:50:47.159 --> 02:50:49.639 Yeah, you shouldn't sell meth. But jeez, every time Barrin 3618 02:50:49.719 --> 02:50:52.120 Krantz is on screen, I'm glued to the screen. So 3619 02:50:52.559 --> 02:50:54.959 some part of me is weirdly bonding to this character. 3620 02:50:55.079 --> 02:50:57.600 So to me, it was really important after you know, 3621 02:50:57.639 --> 02:51:00.239 one hundred and eighty three pages or so of just 3622 02:51:00.280 --> 02:51:03.360 goofy silly, Oh, Bill's making me laugh with his stupid 3623 02:51:03.440 --> 02:51:05.840 jokes and he's arguing with himself and we've got cute 3624 02:51:05.840 --> 02:51:07.879 little gags and no, now it's a cute little test 3625 02:51:08.479 --> 02:51:11.360 like it's easy to forget he tried to kill Dipper 3626 02:51:11.440 --> 02:51:13.600 and Mabel. So it's very important to me towards the 3627 02:51:13.680 --> 02:51:16.159 end of the book to be like, Okay, Bill has 3628 02:51:16.200 --> 02:51:21.280 done his best to make himself seem like a playful funness. 3629 02:51:21.319 --> 02:51:23.680 He's a silly guy. He's a silly guy. 3630 02:51:24.959 --> 02:51:26.959 I'm just a little I'm a little different. Get used 3631 02:51:27.000 --> 02:51:27.319 to it. 3632 02:51:27.399 --> 02:51:30.760 And his plan for this, you know, second coming of 3633 02:51:30.799 --> 02:51:33.920 Weird Mageddon is also pretty convoluted. 3634 02:51:34.319 --> 02:51:36.840 Yes, and it's also just like he already got a 3635 02:51:36.920 --> 02:51:38.120 weird Mageddon. 3636 02:51:38.000 --> 02:51:39.959 Like and I think, you know, it's fascinating to me 3637 02:51:40.040 --> 02:51:42.639 on a metal level because the clamoring for like, oh, 3638 02:51:42.879 --> 02:51:45.520 season three, Season three, Season three, just you know how 3639 02:51:45.520 --> 02:51:48.879 many fan fictions and animations there are which obviously are 3640 02:51:48.879 --> 02:51:50.600 well done, you know, no shade to them. 3641 02:51:50.479 --> 02:51:52.319 So Shelby, when I were in one. 3642 02:51:52.040 --> 02:51:54.600 Exactly where like, oh, you know, you shake the statue's hand. 3643 02:51:54.600 --> 02:51:56.440 What's gonna happen when you shake the statue's hand. The 3644 02:51:56.440 --> 02:51:59.520 statue's gonna have Bill's gonna come back somehow, and it's 3645 02:51:59.520 --> 02:52:01.000 gonna be the and it's gonna be that. And I 3646 02:52:01.000 --> 02:52:04.799 think it's really interesting how this is kind of reflected 3647 02:52:04.879 --> 02:52:07.840 in how just desperate Bill is for like, it's gonna 3648 02:52:07.879 --> 02:52:09.959 be so good, you guys, We're gonna do the same 3649 02:52:10.000 --> 02:52:12.239 thing that we did before, and it's gonna be even better. 3650 02:52:12.399 --> 02:52:14.440 And I'm gonna win this time, and it's gonna be 3651 02:52:14.719 --> 02:52:17.159 it's gonna be great and and and we're gonna get 3652 02:52:17.200 --> 02:52:19.719 to do the same thing over and over and you know, 3653 02:52:19.760 --> 02:52:22.280 it's the antithesis of the end of the series, which 3654 02:52:22.319 --> 02:52:24.000 is like, you know, you can move on, or even 3655 02:52:24.040 --> 02:52:26.120 the end of like Lost Legends for example, of like 3656 02:52:26.319 --> 02:52:30.719 you can move on and enjoy your life outside of this, 3657 02:52:31.200 --> 02:52:33.879 but Bill can't. Bill is stuck in this. Bill is 3658 02:52:33.879 --> 02:52:34.680 is stuck on this goal. 3659 02:52:34.879 --> 02:52:36.239 He's in arrested development. 3660 02:52:36.280 --> 02:52:38.959 One might say, that's right. So essentially Bill's plan is 3661 02:52:39.000 --> 02:52:43.239 to uh that he's gathered enough of your blood you 3662 02:52:43.440 --> 02:52:47.799 the reader, to introduce mild delirium as he enters your mind. Uh, 3663 02:52:48.040 --> 02:52:50.760 when you shake the statue's hand in gravity falls, you 3664 02:52:50.799 --> 02:52:53.840 would trade places with him. And then he says this 3665 02:52:53.879 --> 02:52:56.840 as though it's gonna be so easy, I use your 3666 02:52:56.879 --> 02:52:59.319 meatmobile to fire up one of the Earth's remaining portals, 3667 02:52:59.520 --> 02:53:02.319 so easy, Like wait a minute, there's only one that 3668 02:53:02.360 --> 02:53:06.600 really got built and worked and it was destroyed. Like, yeah, 3669 02:53:06.879 --> 02:53:09.959 how am I a random reader of this book supposed 3670 02:53:09.959 --> 02:53:11.399 to do that? But he doesn't think about that. He 3671 02:53:11.440 --> 02:53:14.760 only thinks about the following steps, where he wants to 3672 02:53:15.040 --> 02:53:17.360 boot up a portal. He says he wants to turn 3673 02:53:17.360 --> 02:53:20.520 the sky plaid crush the president into a fine paste. 3674 02:53:20.879 --> 02:53:23.200 I mean, you know, broken clock twice a day, and 3675 02:53:23.879 --> 02:53:25.879 he wants to let every city sent off the volcano 3676 02:53:25.920 --> 02:53:28.520 split the earth in half. He wants to specifically kill 3677 02:53:28.520 --> 02:53:32.559 the pines with sharp objects. That's maybe the most horrifying 3678 02:53:32.600 --> 02:53:35.639 illustration in the book. Yeah, Hyperian pressed, what do you 3679 02:53:35.639 --> 02:53:37.959 think about just an illustration of two dead children in 3680 02:53:38.040 --> 02:53:41.520 a puddle of blood? Is that cool? Okay? 3681 02:53:41.520 --> 02:53:41.719 Cool? 3682 02:53:41.719 --> 02:53:44.959 Great? But yes, finally, the culmination of all of this. 3683 02:53:45.000 --> 02:53:49.920 Is, in fact the pinata. I have a feeling that 3684 02:53:49.959 --> 02:53:52.680 pinata means something. And this is in case you see 3685 02:53:52.719 --> 02:53:56.920 a pata, I think that is going to come back. 3686 02:53:56.959 --> 02:54:01.719 Thank you for bringing that up. Listen. That's the one 3687 02:54:01.879 --> 02:54:04.600 rule of this podcast. Alex is always right. 3688 02:54:04.920 --> 02:54:08.879 So yeah, he basically is making this desperate pitch to you. 3689 02:54:09.159 --> 02:54:11.879 And then Ford interrupts again. 3690 02:54:11.840 --> 02:54:15.239 And Ford comes to realize his family is not judging 3691 02:54:15.319 --> 02:54:20.840 him for having been duped by this abuser. His family 3692 02:54:20.920 --> 02:54:25.559 is just laughing at how sympathetic this guy is. Yeah, 3693 02:54:25.760 --> 02:54:28.799 they're all just like, get out to this loser. Oh 3694 02:54:28.920 --> 02:54:31.440 my god, don't worry Ford, You're saying, that's this guy. 3695 02:54:32.079 --> 02:54:36.680 Just it's so so validating to people who have gone 3696 02:54:36.719 --> 02:54:39.360 through experiences like what Ford has gone through. 3697 02:54:39.440 --> 02:54:42.760 Like I said, yeah, and it's so on that metatextual level, 3698 02:54:42.840 --> 02:54:45.520 so indicative of like, yeah, there's more to life than 3699 02:54:45.680 --> 02:54:50.200 just doing gravity falls again. Yeah, yeah that Every family 3700 02:54:50.239 --> 02:54:53.239 member gets their own turn to write in the book. 3701 02:54:53.399 --> 02:54:58.520 After Ford, we get Mabel, who very accurately interprets the 3702 02:54:58.559 --> 02:55:00.879 issues that Bill is dealing with similar to that of 3703 02:55:00.920 --> 02:55:03.479 a breakup or let's face it, it is a break 3704 02:55:03.760 --> 02:55:04.200 a breakup. 3705 02:55:04.239 --> 02:55:07.639 She says, why don't you date someone else's uncle. She 3706 02:55:07.680 --> 02:55:09.479 talks about breakup bangs. 3707 02:55:09.079 --> 02:55:11.000 Like I think Bill would look great with breakup banks. 3708 02:55:11.000 --> 02:55:13.440 I love that. She goes, uh, no, maybe stay away 3709 02:55:13.440 --> 02:55:14.520 from uncles for a while. 3710 02:55:15.959 --> 02:55:16.840 It's you gotta work. 3711 02:55:17.280 --> 02:55:19.159 It's on you, work on you. 3712 02:55:19.799 --> 02:55:22.760 Yeah, And Dipper says, come at us again and I'll 3713 02:55:22.879 --> 02:55:23.360 end you. 3714 02:55:23.479 --> 02:55:26.159 And Mabel says that too, you. But Dipper is not 3715 02:55:26.360 --> 02:55:30.600 concerned with the betterment of Bill's emotional stage dippers just like, hey, 3716 02:55:30.959 --> 02:55:32.799 I'll kill you. I'll kill you dead. 3717 02:55:33.399 --> 02:55:36.360 And then we got Stanley, which I know I've called 3718 02:55:36.399 --> 02:55:38.920 other things some of my favorite lines in the book, 3719 02:55:39.000 --> 02:55:42.719 but this is this is number one. It says, Look, 3720 02:55:43.000 --> 02:55:45.879 the little wise guy, hain'te that complicated. I only met 3721 02:55:45.920 --> 02:55:47.799 him once and he cried like a baby, and then 3722 02:55:47.799 --> 02:55:49.920 I punched him to death. What more do you need 3723 02:55:49.959 --> 02:55:50.200 to know? 3724 02:55:50.520 --> 02:55:51.719 It's so beautiful. 3725 02:55:52.040 --> 02:55:54.799 And that's how Bill's gotten away with it for you know, 3726 02:55:54.840 --> 02:55:57.360 sixty five million years, right, is that he's never He's 3727 02:55:57.360 --> 02:56:01.159 deliberately surrounded himself with people who were likes Stanley, with 3728 02:56:01.239 --> 02:56:04.159 people who didn't think the way that the same way 3729 02:56:04.159 --> 02:56:06.479 that he did, at least in terms of the con 3730 02:56:06.559 --> 02:56:07.840 artist aspect, which is. 3731 02:56:07.760 --> 02:56:11.280 Why like the Pines twins are stronger together, like in 3732 02:56:11.399 --> 02:56:14.959 both in both segments of the Pines, like both different 3733 02:56:15.079 --> 02:56:18.799 Pine twins, they're stronger together than separated. And I think 3734 02:56:18.840 --> 02:56:22.600 that that's something that Bill always acknowledged, was that like, yeah, 3735 02:56:22.680 --> 02:56:25.840 if you separate them, if you separate Mabel from Dipper, 3736 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:29.479 he can win, Yeah, but together you cannot win. 3737 02:56:29.639 --> 02:56:32.639 And even at the end, Stanley is really the only 3738 02:56:33.200 --> 02:56:37.319 member of this family that that truly makes Bill have 3739 02:56:37.360 --> 02:56:40.200 a breakdown. Like even Ford, for all the tears that 3740 02:56:40.239 --> 02:56:43.680 he's cried into his mugs at Oh Sadly's, no one 3741 02:56:43.840 --> 02:56:47.559 makes him just freak out the way that Stanley does. 3742 02:56:47.479 --> 02:56:51.000 Because he doesn't want anyone's interpretation of him to be 3743 02:56:51.319 --> 02:56:52.399 I only met him once. 3744 02:56:52.719 --> 02:56:54.680 He cried like a baby, and I punched him to death. 3745 02:56:54.760 --> 02:56:56.920 He doesn't. That's not how he wants to be seen. 3746 02:56:57.200 --> 02:56:58.680 It is how he is the home. 3747 02:56:58.920 --> 02:57:03.079 Yes, I I really love this, like echo of a scream, 3748 02:57:03.319 --> 02:57:06.799 that's like echoing through time over on page one ninety 3749 02:57:06.879 --> 02:57:10.479 six in the regular edition, two thirteen in the limited edition. 3750 02:57:10.799 --> 02:57:16.319 It's amazing the happening of his own like his eye 3751 02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:19.559 becoming a mouth, becoming an I becoming a mouth illustration 3752 02:57:19.760 --> 02:57:21.040 Do you know who that was? 3753 02:57:21.319 --> 02:57:25.280 This is a mixture of Ian Emmy and Jeffrey Thompson. 3754 02:57:25.520 --> 02:57:29.600 Stanley also pieces together something about everything in the book briar. 3755 02:57:30.280 --> 02:57:34.319 Bill never once bragged about where he has been since 3756 02:57:34.360 --> 02:57:37.879 the finale. Yes, yeah, which it's like it's Bill, so 3757 02:57:37.920 --> 02:57:38.920 it's gotta suck. 3758 02:57:39.520 --> 02:57:42.520 Yeah yeah. And he also says, if Bill's so smart, 3759 02:57:42.520 --> 02:57:45.520 how come we're so much happier than him, and also 3760 02:57:45.559 --> 02:57:48.159 the fact that Stan ripped a dollar in half that 3761 02:57:48.280 --> 02:57:49.680 shows how much he loves his family. 3762 02:57:49.760 --> 02:57:53.239 And then moving on, I know that Theoloa the galaxy 3763 02:57:53.280 --> 02:57:57.280 a Sholoa was Emmy. This page is credited to Alex Constat, 3764 02:57:57.280 --> 02:58:00.040 but I know Alex Constead worked on some of the 3765 02:58:00.120 --> 02:58:03.360 later pages, so this could be a combination of Alex 3766 02:58:04.559 --> 02:58:07.360 possibly Christopher because the prisms are here and Emmy. 3767 02:58:07.600 --> 02:58:10.520 It is really interesting looking at this page side by 3768 02:58:10.559 --> 02:58:13.680 side with the Secret Page and the Time Pirates Treasure. 3769 02:58:13.760 --> 02:58:17.280 How it's like framed very similarly with the aschlos. 3770 02:58:16.760 --> 02:58:18.680 And there's similar rhymes here. 3771 02:58:18.840 --> 02:58:19.639 Yeah, exactly. 3772 02:58:19.719 --> 02:58:22.719 In Time Pirates Treasure it said a different form a 3773 02:58:22.719 --> 02:58:24.760 different time, and here it says. 3774 02:58:24.760 --> 02:58:26.920 To change your form will take some time. 3775 02:58:27.280 --> 02:58:32.639 And it's this open endedness versus finality. But we get 3776 02:58:32.639 --> 02:58:37.440 the ultimate twist. What happened to Bill after his prayer 3777 02:58:37.600 --> 02:58:40.239 to the showload the end of Weird Pagetton three. 3778 02:58:40.399 --> 02:58:41.319 It's a perfect ending. 3779 02:58:41.719 --> 02:58:46.280 Bill is in therapy for all eternity. 3780 02:58:45.840 --> 02:58:46.840 Therapy forever. 3781 02:58:47.920 --> 02:58:50.159 Welcome to the therapism. 3782 02:58:49.760 --> 02:58:54.879 Recommendation indefinite karmic rehabilitation, and then the infinity symbol. 3783 02:58:55.120 --> 02:58:57.920 It's this therapy dimension outside of time. 3784 02:58:58.040 --> 02:59:00.360 I think that the reveal that this is Bill's arts 3785 02:59:00.399 --> 02:59:02.879 and crafts book during therapy. 3786 02:59:02.479 --> 02:59:05.120 It also great, Yes, incredible. 3787 02:59:05.600 --> 02:59:08.360 These pages are done by Joe pitt, Ian Worrel and 3788 02:59:08.399 --> 02:59:11.120 Alex Constadt. I know Alex Constat helped to design the 3789 02:59:11.120 --> 02:59:14.280 therapy group, but this picture over here, the one with 3790 02:59:14.399 --> 02:59:18.040 like the therapy group, Ian posted on his instagram on August. 3791 02:59:17.680 --> 02:59:21.040 Fourteen, Saturn neating his son. Yes, oh yes, it is 3792 02:59:21.479 --> 02:59:25.559 obviously hilarious, but also the perfect punishment for you know, 3793 02:59:25.680 --> 02:59:30.920 someone who just refuses to acknowledge any of his issues, 3794 02:59:31.639 --> 02:59:34.399 who will constantly see the faults of other people and 3795 02:59:34.559 --> 02:59:37.799 use that to his advantage, even see faults that aren't there, 3796 02:59:38.360 --> 02:59:40.639 but when it comes to himself, just has no ability 3797 02:59:40.639 --> 02:59:42.840 to reflect. You know, you can't even say that he 3798 02:59:42.920 --> 02:59:45.920 isn't being given the chance, because we see that this 3799 02:59:45.959 --> 02:59:50.479 is not an inherently infinite punishment. There are patients listed 3800 02:59:50.600 --> 02:59:52.680 as ready to reincarnage, yeah, that. 3801 02:59:52.639 --> 02:59:55.120 Have been cured, but I mean like seeing that Bill 3802 02:59:55.319 --> 02:59:58.399 is unwilling to change his patterns, that instead he wants 3803 02:59:58.440 --> 03:00:00.719 to fall back on something he wants to to escape 3804 03:00:01.399 --> 03:00:06.360 and continue his patterns. He's gonna be in therapy infinitely 3805 03:00:06.920 --> 03:00:08.479 if he doesn't change the patterns. 3806 03:00:08.559 --> 03:00:10.600 It seems like there's this constant question in the fan 3807 03:00:10.680 --> 03:00:12.760 base of like when will he figure it out? When 3808 03:00:12.799 --> 03:00:14.520 will he get better? And it's I think the point 3809 03:00:14.520 --> 03:00:16.680 of what Ford and the rest of the Pines are 3810 03:00:16.719 --> 03:00:19.559 saying is that you know that shouldn't matter to you, 3811 03:00:19.680 --> 03:00:23.120 focus on the people who love you and treat you well, 3812 03:00:23.239 --> 03:00:26.639 rather than waiting on the rehabilitation of someone. 3813 03:00:26.360 --> 03:00:28.040 Who may never be rehabilitating. 3814 03:00:28.120 --> 03:00:30.680 If he ever gets there, it'll be long after you're dead. 3815 03:00:31.000 --> 03:00:31.200 You know. 3816 03:00:31.319 --> 03:00:34.920 He did say at one trillion in twelve he's a preteen. Yeah, 3817 03:00:34.959 --> 03:00:38.760 so for him to have a whatever his species equivalent 3818 03:00:38.840 --> 03:00:41.879 of a prefrontal cortex would take another one trillion in 3819 03:00:41.920 --> 03:00:43.000 twelve years. Maybe. 3820 03:00:43.159 --> 03:00:44.799 Yeah, if he ever gets there, it'll be way too 3821 03:00:44.840 --> 03:00:48.280 late to make amends with anyone he's wronged in this lifetime. 3822 03:00:48.399 --> 03:00:52.760 But I also love the bit of foreshadowing where Herbert 3823 03:00:52.840 --> 03:00:56.479 mudget wax Staff the Third says Bill should be in therapy. 3824 03:00:56.520 --> 03:01:01.799 He'd hate that is after Herbert was himself admitted to 3825 03:01:01.879 --> 03:01:05.000 a psych word, which meant he underwent therapy, and he 3826 03:01:05.120 --> 03:01:07.799 was like, oh yeah, oh, I know who it hate 3827 03:01:08.520 --> 03:01:12.440 his thought process storing therapy is ooh, I hope Bill 3828 03:01:12.520 --> 03:01:14.479 experiences this one. 3829 03:01:15.079 --> 03:01:17.920 And I mean, Alex, was this always like the idea 3830 03:01:17.959 --> 03:01:19.760 you had in mind? Or was it something that sort 3831 03:01:19.760 --> 03:01:21.639 of came up organically as you were writing this? 3832 03:01:21.799 --> 03:01:23.879 So it's a whole section of the book that I started 3833 03:01:23.879 --> 03:01:25.440 writing and I realized it didn't fit in, but I 3834 03:01:25.479 --> 03:01:26.920 loved it so much that it was It was the 3835 03:01:26.959 --> 03:01:28.879 trial of Bill Cipher. It was the idea that like, 3836 03:01:29.479 --> 03:01:32.559 perhaps after his appeal to the ishologs, it wasn't straight 3837 03:01:32.680 --> 03:01:35.479 to the therapism. It was perhaps some kind of trial. 3838 03:01:35.760 --> 03:01:38.440 And I was writing a court stenographer's trial of Bill Cipher, 3839 03:01:38.719 --> 03:01:41.000 and the judge is like, what do you have to 3840 03:01:41.000 --> 03:01:43.200 show your new defense? And Bill Cipher's like. 3841 03:01:43.200 --> 03:01:45.719 I would like to refer the audience to my shirt. 3842 03:01:45.760 --> 03:01:47.879 And it's the I'm a little different, get used to it. 3843 03:01:47.959 --> 03:01:50.840 Like that was literally his entire defense. And then like 3844 03:01:50.879 --> 03:01:52.520 it cuts to his like legal team, which is just 3845 03:01:52.520 --> 03:01:53.879 like ten Bill Cipher's. 3846 03:01:53.440 --> 03:01:55.000 Like we thought the shirt was going to be a hit, 3847 03:01:55.280 --> 03:01:57.000 like all arguing with each other. 3848 03:01:56.840 --> 03:01:58.879 But the end was the end punishment always going to 3849 03:01:58.920 --> 03:02:00.760 be a therapy forever? Was that? 3850 03:02:01.000 --> 03:02:04.399 Yes, that seemed appropriate. I mean, it just seemed like 3851 03:02:04.680 --> 03:02:07.760 all Bill wants is to be in control of his 3852 03:02:07.920 --> 03:02:12.239 narrative and to have infinite freedom. So the worst thing 3853 03:02:12.239 --> 03:02:17.040 that he could experience would be being treated condescendingly and trapped. 3854 03:02:17.399 --> 03:02:19.159 And the irony was I'm like, it's not enough for 3855 03:02:19.239 --> 03:02:21.399 him to be in prison, because all you have to 3856 03:02:21.399 --> 03:02:23.440 do is escape. For prison, it's much worse if they 3857 03:02:23.479 --> 03:02:27.920 say we'll let you out when you genuinely, sincerely experience 3858 03:02:28.239 --> 03:02:32.559 true regret for the pain you've caused os. And it's like, oh, oh, 3859 03:02:32.600 --> 03:02:34.879 all I have to do is experience true regret for 3860 03:02:34.959 --> 03:02:35.479 what I've. 3861 03:02:35.319 --> 03:02:38.280 Done, because it's not prison, I do. There is a 3862 03:02:38.319 --> 03:02:38.719 way out. 3863 03:02:38.840 --> 03:02:42.040 There is a way out. But he just has to grow. 3864 03:02:44.440 --> 03:02:45.559 For him than the punishment. 3865 03:02:45.639 --> 03:02:48.280 Yeah, And you know, here he is seeing Forward growing 3866 03:02:48.319 --> 03:02:51.319 and everyone else growing, and it's so insulting to him 3867 03:02:51.360 --> 03:02:54.920 that they're growing, and he's furious that anyone else would grow. 3868 03:02:54.959 --> 03:02:57.799 And now he's like, you know, gosh, I wrote so 3869 03:02:57.879 --> 03:03:00.440 many I did write maybe like eight pages of like 3870 03:03:00.520 --> 03:03:04.399 full Silence of the Lambs, like his therapism Warden, like 3871 03:03:04.520 --> 03:03:06.760 interviewing him and you know, kind of like the joker, 3872 03:03:06.840 --> 03:03:08.440 like you know, tell us about your past. And yeah, 3873 03:03:08.479 --> 03:03:10.920 he kept telling different stories. Oh my cast boy, I 3874 03:03:11.000 --> 03:03:12.319 remember me and Pete Pauw. 3875 03:03:12.399 --> 03:03:14.799 I was a riverboat captain and we were catching bullfrogs 3876 03:03:14.799 --> 03:03:15.760 by the mississipp and. 3877 03:03:15.760 --> 03:03:17.600 They'd be like, let's go again, Bill, tell us about 3878 03:03:17.600 --> 03:03:17.959 your past. 3879 03:03:18.000 --> 03:03:20.239 Oh boy, uh, you know on the South side of Chicago. 3880 03:03:20.280 --> 03:03:22.399 You know, I was shooting some b ball after skull built. 3881 03:03:22.440 --> 03:03:24.840 Tell us again, tell us about your past. Oh boy, Well, 3882 03:03:24.879 --> 03:03:27.000 you know I had a magic purple cran then I 3883 03:03:27.000 --> 03:03:31.280 could try anything. But one day, like like constantly, I 3884 03:03:31.319 --> 03:03:33.000 was like, you know, there's only so many pages in 3885 03:03:33.000 --> 03:03:33.399 the book. 3886 03:03:33.879 --> 03:03:36.600 I also love the subtle design change of just giving 3887 03:03:36.680 --> 03:03:40.399 him that scar that like crack of static across his body. 3888 03:03:40.520 --> 03:03:40.920 Amazing. 3889 03:03:41.079 --> 03:03:44.760 Yeah, and just this ending this these final couple pages, 3890 03:03:45.000 --> 03:03:47.680 or he was just repeating to himself, I'm fine, I'm fine. 3891 03:03:48.200 --> 03:03:50.280 Someday someone will let me out, and then it's just 3892 03:03:50.319 --> 03:03:51.600 an image of the statue. 3893 03:03:51.719 --> 03:03:54.280 I think it's so interesting that this all ends with 3894 03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:58.040 I'm fine, I'm fine. Where the book cover, like the 3895 03:03:58.200 --> 03:04:02.079 book jacket of you being PiZZ Yes, yes, has that 3896 03:04:02.239 --> 03:04:03.719 I'm fine, I'm fine helped me. 3897 03:04:03.959 --> 03:04:06.239 You could read that final image of the statue with 3898 03:04:06.280 --> 03:04:10.120 the glowing eye is like, that's so that's really something's 3899 03:04:10.120 --> 03:04:12.760 going on there. That's that's meant to be terrifying. But 3900 03:04:12.799 --> 03:04:14.959 I think, you know, the deconstruction of Bill in the 3901 03:04:14.959 --> 03:04:18.159 book is that he's not really terrifying. He's kind of 3902 03:04:18.200 --> 03:04:23.200 pathetic and gross and really gross. Yeah, so, sort of 3903 03:04:23.239 --> 03:04:26.799 adjacent to all of this new Bill Cipher related material. 3904 03:04:27.360 --> 03:04:30.399 On August seventeenth, twenty twenty four, Disney released the short 3905 03:04:30.479 --> 03:04:33.239 How Not to Draw a Gruncle Stan, which is one 3906 03:04:33.280 --> 03:04:35.799 in a series of shorts called How Not to Draw, 3907 03:04:35.920 --> 03:04:39.280 which is always a drawing lesson where the artist is 3908 03:04:39.319 --> 03:04:41.920 communicating with the character that they're drawing and something always 3909 03:04:42.079 --> 03:04:45.120 goes wrong in a hilarious, wacky, silly way. And I'm 3910 03:04:45.120 --> 03:04:48.959 sure this one is just as silly with jokes for kids. 3911 03:04:47.760 --> 03:04:50.520 By Biggy Bounce just kidding. 3912 03:04:51.159 --> 03:04:52.959 Wow, tough crowd, Now, who's fork? 3913 03:04:53.239 --> 03:04:54.719 Do I have the pleasure of breaking? 3914 03:04:54.840 --> 03:04:56.000 It's beautifully enemy. 3915 03:04:56.120 --> 03:04:59.600 It's so weird to get high quality gravity falls out 3916 03:04:59.639 --> 03:05:00.840 of aation to kill and just. 3917 03:05:00.840 --> 03:05:04.159 And voiced voiced gravity falls animation as well, Like we 3918 03:05:04.200 --> 03:05:06.239 haven't had that in such a long time. And so 3919 03:05:06.520 --> 03:05:10.879 essentially the premise is that this artist is drawing Stan 3920 03:05:11.200 --> 03:05:18.520 and then summons Bill seipher despite Stan's protest, of which 3921 03:05:18.639 --> 03:05:22.079 is my favorite part, just the idea that like, yeah, 3922 03:05:22.159 --> 03:05:23.440 everyone knows. 3923 03:05:23.200 --> 03:05:27.440 This, like yeah, so so he offers Bill a dollar, 3924 03:05:27.479 --> 03:05:30.239 which of course says the eye of Providence audit, which 3925 03:05:30.280 --> 03:05:32.159 of course Bill can see through all the pictures of 3926 03:05:32.239 --> 03:05:36.280 him in our world, and somehow manages to write the 3927 03:05:36.680 --> 03:05:39.719 incantation on the dollar, and the artist, trying to figure 3928 03:05:39.760 --> 03:05:42.159 out what it says, reads the entire thing. 3929 03:05:43.239 --> 03:05:45.600 And then yeah, of course Bill shows up in the drawing, 3930 03:05:45.719 --> 03:05:49.760 transports Stan himself into the dollar, which he's especially when 3931 03:05:49.760 --> 03:05:52.079 he makes it one hundred of course. And also his 3932 03:05:52.200 --> 03:05:54.799 method of getting the artist to shake his hand is great, 3933 03:05:54.879 --> 03:05:57.239 where he literally just gets the artist to put his 3934 03:05:57.319 --> 03:05:59.760 hand on the paper, then he moves onto the artist's 3935 03:05:59.799 --> 03:06:02.840 hand and moves the hand himself. 3936 03:06:03.200 --> 03:06:05.719 Yes, very high me the robot of him? Who is 3937 03:06:05.760 --> 03:06:09.440 that the origin of shake and then the person just 3938 03:06:09.479 --> 03:06:12.680 shakes is from Get Smart, where there's a character called himI, 3939 03:06:12.719 --> 03:06:15.920 the robot who doesn't understand human norms. 3940 03:06:16.280 --> 03:06:18.799 Gotcha, Yeah, so I guess for Bill, the handshake is 3941 03:06:18.799 --> 03:06:22.600 a pretty flexible thing, and then he takes over they 3942 03:06:22.680 --> 03:06:25.600 essentially swap places where the artist is now the drawing, 3943 03:06:25.879 --> 03:06:29.600 and Bill, horrifically is now a three D model in 3944 03:06:29.920 --> 03:06:32.479 our world, which I guess is what it must have 3945 03:06:32.559 --> 03:06:34.879 looked like to the people of gravity Falls when Bill 3946 03:06:34.920 --> 03:06:38.399 gained physical form. I mean, weird Mageddon. Yes, you know, 3947 03:06:38.520 --> 03:06:40.319 I think it got a lot of people sort of 3948 03:06:40.360 --> 03:06:44.079 speculating on maybe there is more gravity Falls that will 3949 03:06:44.120 --> 03:06:46.959 happen in animation with the Book of Bill and this 3950 03:06:47.040 --> 03:06:50.200 kind of releasing right on top of each other. But 3951 03:06:50.879 --> 03:06:54.559 whether or not that actually means anything. I really enjoy 3952 03:06:54.639 --> 03:06:55.159 this short. 3953 03:06:55.360 --> 03:06:57.920 I will take any crumbs of gravity Falls that I 3954 03:06:57.959 --> 03:06:59.840 can get, like anything. 3955 03:07:00.079 --> 03:07:02.479 This is like a great crumb. And I even love 3956 03:07:02.559 --> 03:07:04.799 the glitch at the end with the YouTube out of 3957 03:07:04.959 --> 03:07:08.040 order thing is also Bill and has codes and stuff 3958 03:07:08.079 --> 03:07:10.319 and uh huh, Well, thank you so much for taking 3959 03:07:10.319 --> 03:07:15.559 the time to come here and possess this interdimensional and 3960 03:07:15.600 --> 03:07:19.840 possessable demon. Yeah, yeah, and talk with us about the book. Yeah, 3961 03:07:19.879 --> 03:07:20.920 it was really delightful. 3962 03:07:21.200 --> 03:07:23.680 Thank you for you know, keeping the fires of the 3963 03:07:23.680 --> 03:07:27.479 Fantom alive and you know, like you know, I said, 3964 03:07:27.479 --> 03:07:30.040 this book is sort of an anniversary present to the fans, 3965 03:07:30.520 --> 03:07:32.479 and I'm so glad they loved it. 3966 03:07:32.319 --> 03:07:35.159 It's, in my honest opinion, the best gravity falls book. 3967 03:07:35.239 --> 03:07:38.879 It is the best gravity falls book. Like, congrats, congrats, 3968 03:07:38.920 --> 03:07:40.479 it is the best gravity falls book. 3969 03:07:40.559 --> 03:07:42.639 Right, thank you worked very hard on it, So that's 3970 03:07:42.680 --> 03:07:43.639 that means a lot to me. 3971 03:07:43.799 --> 03:07:46.520 So we got a head down to the holl of conspiracies. 3972 03:07:46.559 --> 03:07:48.680 We're going to talk about which lower things are true 3973 03:07:48.680 --> 03:07:50.639 and which aren't. It would be a weird energy to 3974 03:07:50.680 --> 03:07:54.280 have you there for that. Usually the energy of that 3975 03:07:54.440 --> 03:07:56.559 is oh, we don't know, and it's like, well if 3976 03:07:56.600 --> 03:07:58.040 someone there knows. 3977 03:07:57.719 --> 03:07:59.280 Right, I could see it messing with the tone. 3978 03:07:59.360 --> 03:08:01.879 Yeah, yourself at home up here, feel free to play 3979 03:08:01.879 --> 03:08:05.239 around with the exhibits and we'll see you later. 3980 03:08:05.399 --> 03:08:07.920 Okay, Yeah, I see there's a there's like a fortune teller. 3981 03:08:07.920 --> 03:08:10.200 I'm just gonna keep pressing buttons and seeing what little 3982 03:08:10.360 --> 03:08:11.319 messages it spits out. 3983 03:08:11.360 --> 03:08:14.079 It does have a tendency to turn people into Tom Hanks, 3984 03:08:14.079 --> 03:08:16.159 so I would be careful it does do that. 3985 03:08:16.280 --> 03:08:17.920 Yeah, Oh, it finally made me big. 3986 03:08:17.959 --> 03:08:19.120 I've been waiting so long. 3987 03:08:19.879 --> 03:08:22.399 Tom Eggs is actually smaller than he was at the time. 3988 03:08:22.639 --> 03:08:24.239 You know, aging does that to your bones. 3989 03:08:24.360 --> 03:08:25.520 Catch on the rewind Alex. 3990 03:08:25.559 --> 03:08:28.559 Thank you guys, ladies and gentlemen. 3991 03:08:30.680 --> 03:08:37.200 Conspiracy. 3992 03:08:39.559 --> 03:08:42.600 All right, so now we're here down in the Hall 3993 03:08:42.639 --> 03:08:45.040 of con it looks really different. 3994 03:08:45.280 --> 03:08:47.360 Someone definitely redecorated down here. 3995 03:08:47.520 --> 03:08:48.879 Is this like a bed? 3996 03:08:49.159 --> 03:08:51.280 I mean, it looks great, it looks it looks honestly 3997 03:08:51.319 --> 03:08:52.239 better than it's ever looks. 3998 03:08:52.760 --> 03:08:53.719 I hear footstets. 3999 03:08:53.799 --> 03:08:54.319 What is happening? 4000 03:08:54.799 --> 03:08:55.479 Act natural? 4001 03:08:56.559 --> 03:08:59.159 Welcome to mystery shack, look back a nostalgic time. Wait, 4002 03:08:59.719 --> 03:09:01.360 that's attracting too much attention. 4003 03:09:01.799 --> 03:09:04.719 Oh shoot, I'm sorry. Guys, I thought you were and 4004 03:09:04.799 --> 03:09:07.559 you went away. I don't usually come out when there's 4005 03:09:07.559 --> 03:09:08.319 people out here. 4006 03:09:08.600 --> 03:09:09.639 Is that who I think it is? 4007 03:09:09.760 --> 03:09:15.200 That is indeed, Hannah hyper fixates of YouTube fame, fame, 4008 03:09:15.520 --> 03:09:16.399 let's say fame. 4009 03:09:16.239 --> 03:09:18.280 And we all gasp like the Scooby Doo gang. We 4010 03:09:18.360 --> 03:09:21.040 all gasped, Hannah hyper fix. 4011 03:09:20.760 --> 03:09:27.639 Ito, what are so wait? Hang on, if I'm following 4012 03:09:28.280 --> 03:09:32.520 environmental storytelling properly, have you been living in the Hall 4013 03:09:32.559 --> 03:09:35.840 of Conspiracies for the two years since we ended the podcast? 4014 03:09:36.319 --> 03:09:38.040 Oh, you've been here the whole time. 4015 03:09:39.840 --> 03:09:44.760 You know, rent is really expensive in the city, y'all. Uh, 4016 03:09:44.840 --> 03:09:48.319 you know, the walls were here and they didn't have 4017 03:09:48.360 --> 03:09:51.120 anyone living in them, and I figured you wouldn't mind 4018 03:09:51.159 --> 03:09:55.000 if I just set up an entire YouTube studio inside them. 4019 03:09:54.879 --> 03:09:59.920 That honestly would explain the conspiratorial wall of journal three 4020 03:10:00.079 --> 03:10:02.680 pages that appears behind you in the video. The whole time, 4021 03:10:02.719 --> 03:10:04.280 I was thinking, that looks just like the one of 4022 03:10:04.280 --> 03:10:05.600 the whole conspiracies. 4023 03:10:05.760 --> 03:10:05.920 Yeah. 4024 03:10:05.920 --> 03:10:07.479 I can't believe I never put that together. 4025 03:10:07.799 --> 03:10:09.840 Yeah, man, I. 4026 03:10:09.719 --> 03:10:12.360 Hope you don't mind. I was using your security cameras 4027 03:10:12.399 --> 03:10:14.639 as a camera because I can't really afford one. 4028 03:10:14.840 --> 03:10:16.920 Oh that's where all the footage went. 4029 03:10:17.159 --> 03:10:18.479 That explains it. 4030 03:10:19.159 --> 03:10:22.159 And I've always said your videos put the ford in 4031 03:10:22.239 --> 03:10:26.079 cant afford. But you are had a hyper fixate, so 4032 03:10:26.120 --> 03:10:29.600 you do hyper fixate on gravity falls conspiracies. I guess, 4033 03:10:29.840 --> 03:10:32.719 all things considered, this is the perfect home for you. 4034 03:10:32.959 --> 03:10:33.799 I understand. 4035 03:10:34.239 --> 03:10:36.920 Yeah, you know, I'm not mad about it. I'm just 4036 03:10:37.040 --> 03:10:41.399 I'm surprised you're not mad? Are you the one who 4037 03:10:41.399 --> 03:10:42.600 took my lunch out of the fridge. 4038 03:10:43.360 --> 03:10:46.159 Well, there's not a lot of hood in these walls, 4039 03:10:46.239 --> 03:10:48.520 if you think about it. It's actually really rude of 4040 03:10:48.600 --> 03:10:51.440 y'all to not keep them socked like I have to 4041 03:10:51.559 --> 03:10:52.200 use something. 4042 03:10:52.399 --> 03:10:54.120 My god, I told you it wasn't me. 4043 03:10:54.639 --> 03:10:57.120 I told you it was Shelby and I'm still I'm 4044 03:10:57.159 --> 03:10:59.639 still believing that in spite of contrary evidence. 4045 03:11:00.399 --> 03:11:03.280 See my next guess would have been Molly Lewis. But 4046 03:11:03.360 --> 03:11:06.000 I'm I'm glad I didn't have to DM them about it. 4047 03:11:06.639 --> 03:11:08.319 I mean, we can check the other wall. 4048 03:11:08.520 --> 03:11:10.120 That David got suck in that one time. 4049 03:11:10.280 --> 03:11:12.920 Oh yeah, you're gonna, Hannah, you're gonna want to watch out. 4050 03:11:13.079 --> 03:11:15.520 You're gonna want to watch out for that one wall, Hannah. 4051 03:11:16.239 --> 03:11:17.680 The one with the David shaped hole. 4052 03:11:17.799 --> 03:11:19.559 Yeah, it can get a little glitchy. 4053 03:11:19.680 --> 03:11:22.879 I'm avoiding it. And by the way, just so you know, 4054 03:11:22.959 --> 03:11:24.200 you guys need new milk. 4055 03:11:24.239 --> 03:11:25.959 Yours has gone back two years ago. 4056 03:11:26.000 --> 03:11:27.319 Yeah, you shouldn't have tasted that. 4057 03:11:27.719 --> 03:11:28.639 Can I have a slice of it? 4058 03:11:28.719 --> 03:11:28.879 Though? 4059 03:11:29.079 --> 03:11:37.079 Oh so, Hannah, Actually your timing is kind of perfect 4060 03:11:37.200 --> 03:11:40.040 because we are on a tour right now. This is 4061 03:11:40.399 --> 03:11:43.639 our episode on the Book of Bill, so we were 4062 03:11:43.680 --> 03:11:47.680 actually about to cover a book of Bill codes and conspiracies, 4063 03:11:47.840 --> 03:11:50.920 of which there are a lot And well, Hannah, why 4064 03:11:50.920 --> 03:11:54.559 don't you you know you could tell the podcasting audience 4065 03:11:54.840 --> 03:11:58.000 a bit more about yourself to sort of contextualize why 4066 03:11:58.079 --> 03:12:00.479 you're you're so perfect for this particul task. 4067 03:12:00.639 --> 03:12:02.760 Well, aside from the fact that I've been living in 4068 03:12:02.799 --> 03:12:05.520 your walls for the last couple of years. 4069 03:12:06.280 --> 03:12:08.760 Yeah, yeah, which I'm still which I'm still wrapping my 4070 03:12:08.799 --> 03:12:09.200 head around. 4071 03:12:09.319 --> 03:12:12.280 Yeah, I'm still I'm still in the denial stage of grief, 4072 03:12:12.399 --> 03:12:14.559 so I haven't processed it at all yet. I might 4073 03:12:14.600 --> 03:12:16.520 be mad at you later though, we'll get there. 4074 03:12:16.719 --> 03:12:20.920 Well later is better than now, but for now, Yes, 4075 03:12:21.120 --> 03:12:24.600 I have had a hyperfixates and I consider myself a 4076 03:12:24.840 --> 03:12:28.520 bit of an expert on the characters of gravity Falls. 4077 03:12:29.399 --> 03:12:33.360 I have a YouTube channel on YouTube. If you can 4078 03:12:33.399 --> 03:12:33.879 believe it. 4079 03:12:33.959 --> 03:12:35.000 That's a good place for it. 4080 03:12:35.280 --> 03:12:37.760 And if you can believe what it's called, you can 4081 03:12:37.760 --> 03:12:39.040 believe the name of the channel. 4082 03:12:39.079 --> 03:12:42.159 It's on a hyper Fixings, yes, where I go on 4083 03:12:42.280 --> 03:12:46.000 and on in a multi hour video essays about the characterization, 4084 03:12:46.239 --> 03:12:49.120 the themes, and the story of gravity Falls. And I 4085 03:12:49.159 --> 03:12:52.120 am very happy to be here, even though I do 4086 03:12:52.239 --> 03:12:54.760 feel a bit awkward about y'all discovering me like this. 4087 03:12:55.120 --> 03:12:57.680 Well, it's okay, because your videos are awesome and if 4088 03:12:57.680 --> 03:13:01.600 anybody out there hasn't seen them yet, you absolutely should. 4089 03:13:01.639 --> 03:13:03.639 Ella you voiced in one of them, right, I did. 4090 03:13:04.360 --> 03:13:08.120 Yes, you voiced from an article from an interview with 4091 03:13:08.159 --> 03:13:10.719 Alex Church. I had you read out out a question 4092 03:13:10.799 --> 03:13:11.639 that was asked of him. 4093 03:13:11.879 --> 03:13:13.520 Yes, about Pacifica. 4094 03:13:13.600 --> 03:13:17.159 Right, Yes, it was in a video of talking about 4095 03:13:17.319 --> 03:13:21.920 abusive fatherhood and abusive parents in Gravity Falls and how 4096 03:13:21.920 --> 03:13:24.399 the narrative kind of treats them. And this is this 4097 03:13:24.440 --> 03:13:25.840 is from like a year and a half ago. 4098 03:13:26.040 --> 03:13:28.639 And I think you also cited the podcast, right. I 4099 03:13:28.680 --> 03:13:31.360 think you cited it in the Queer Coding video. 4100 03:13:31.520 --> 03:13:34.520 Yes, in the Queer Queer representation the Queer Coding and 4101 03:13:34.559 --> 03:13:38.040 Gravity Falls. You cited the podcast when talking about Grenda. 4102 03:13:38.200 --> 03:13:39.000 Yes, I did. 4103 03:13:39.799 --> 03:13:43.760 And then I was recently in your video. 4104 03:13:44.520 --> 03:13:46.520 A defense of Stanford pods. 4105 03:13:46.840 --> 03:13:47.319 Yeah. 4106 03:13:47.360 --> 03:13:49.520 So, now where Shelby is my question? 4107 03:13:49.840 --> 03:13:53.000 That's true in the basement currently, I. 4108 03:13:52.959 --> 03:13:55.639 Mean, why haven't you gotten Shelby on one of these yet? 4109 03:13:55.879 --> 03:13:58.520 Well, Shelby's going to be busy by new milk for me. 4110 03:13:59.040 --> 03:14:01.879 Yeah, yeah, I guess that's a good reason for me 4111 03:14:01.959 --> 03:14:02.840 to not be there. 4112 03:14:03.600 --> 03:14:08.079 So why don't we start by talking about both some 4113 03:14:08.120 --> 03:14:12.079 of the more interesting cryptograms that are revealed by decoding 4114 03:14:12.120 --> 03:14:16.879 the Book of Bill, as well as the new ciphers 4115 03:14:16.879 --> 03:14:21.680 that were added to the ouvra of gravity falls, ciphers 4116 03:14:21.719 --> 03:14:22.600 and cryptograms. 4117 03:14:22.840 --> 03:14:25.159 Yeah, I feel like it's it's been a while since 4118 03:14:25.200 --> 03:14:27.799 we've had a new one, I think. I mean it's 4119 03:14:27.799 --> 03:14:30.000 been a while since we have had new gravity falls anything, 4120 03:14:30.079 --> 03:14:32.520 and now we have approximately a million. 4121 03:14:32.680 --> 03:14:34.719 Yes, yeah, that sounds cool. 4122 03:14:35.000 --> 03:14:36.520 Do you want to talk a bit about the color 4123 03:14:36.559 --> 03:14:39.000 substitution cipher because this is one of the ones where 4124 03:14:39.680 --> 03:14:41.399 you know, and it's kind of like what we did 4125 03:14:41.440 --> 03:14:45.559 with the Visionaire cipher where we were walked through how 4126 03:14:45.600 --> 03:14:48.959 that works. But there are a lot of ciphers here 4127 03:14:49.000 --> 03:14:51.959 where like season one, I understood all of it. Then 4128 03:14:52.000 --> 03:14:54.280 you get to season two, I'm like, all right, I 4129 03:14:54.280 --> 03:14:57.360 don't wanna let the other fans kind of handle this 4130 03:14:57.959 --> 03:15:02.000 particular arena of the the mystery solving because I don't 4131 03:15:02.079 --> 03:15:02.959 understand this. 4132 03:15:03.319 --> 03:15:05.840 And here it just gets so heavy at times with 4133 03:15:05.920 --> 03:15:06.440 some of these. 4134 03:15:06.559 --> 03:15:08.559 And this one is bad for me because I'm a 4135 03:15:08.559 --> 03:15:11.520 little color blind. So it's like this, why are there 4136 03:15:11.559 --> 03:15:15.440 these gray blocks of nothing in the and we're expected 4137 03:15:15.479 --> 03:15:16.200 to decode them? 4138 03:15:17.280 --> 03:15:20.040 So what is the color substitution cipher? 4139 03:15:20.120 --> 03:15:23.559 The car substitution cipher is so cool because it consists 4140 03:15:23.600 --> 03:15:27.159 of these card blocks hidden on certain pages. But part 4141 03:15:27.200 --> 03:15:30.600 of the reason why a bunch of multi card blocks 4142 03:15:30.639 --> 03:15:34.639 don't stand out as strange or as a possible code 4143 03:15:35.040 --> 03:15:36.959 is because the book of Bill is full of these 4144 03:15:37.040 --> 03:15:41.159 pages with this glitchy effect kind of symbolic of the 4145 03:15:41.280 --> 03:15:44.959 damage and the corruption that Bill Cipher has endured since 4146 03:15:45.040 --> 03:15:47.959 the end of the show. And so these blocks just 4147 03:15:48.040 --> 03:15:48.920 kind of blend in. 4148 03:15:49.200 --> 03:15:52.159 I think to me aesthetically, they remind me the most 4149 03:15:52.360 --> 03:15:55.079 of like the TV test pattern is what I would 4150 03:15:55.120 --> 03:15:56.360 compare them for sure. 4151 03:15:56.600 --> 03:15:57.760 Ye say the same thing. 4152 03:15:57.920 --> 03:16:06.719 It comes to Bill be right back, so many questions. 4153 03:16:07.879 --> 03:16:11.719 Yes, they also accompany a static pattern, and a lot 4154 03:16:11.719 --> 03:16:15.239 of the pages that they show up on just visually 4155 03:16:15.280 --> 03:16:18.000 you have like this like static noise pattern right next 4156 03:16:18.000 --> 03:16:20.959 to it, and so it doesn't feel that out of place. 4157 03:16:21.200 --> 03:16:25.120 But shout out by the way to the Grammy falls 4158 03:16:25.120 --> 03:16:28.440 separated a discord. A lot of people over there and 4159 03:16:28.559 --> 03:16:31.879 on Twitter in general kind of put together that the 4160 03:16:32.000 --> 03:16:36.719 patterns seem to echo where letters would be in different phrases. 4161 03:16:37.200 --> 03:16:41.360 And while the blocks are not separated with spaces, which 4162 03:16:41.399 --> 03:16:43.239 would you know, kind of make it a bit more 4163 03:16:43.280 --> 03:16:47.200 obvious that these are words and phrases, they still managed 4164 03:16:47.239 --> 03:16:51.239 to brute force it and put together that it's a 4165 03:16:51.360 --> 03:16:54.959 cipher and they made keys and they spread them around. 4166 03:16:55.360 --> 03:16:59.000 It is wild, insane, And I know you have particular 4167 03:16:59.079 --> 03:17:03.920 trauma with decoding blocks hid in book pages. 4168 03:17:06.440 --> 03:17:08.719 Please don't say the R word around me. 4169 03:17:09.440 --> 03:17:13.799 Rectangles and you're going to talk more on that later. 4170 03:17:13.879 --> 03:17:17.760 But we also have coffee rings, which we have all 4171 03:17:17.840 --> 03:17:20.959 leads to one specific cryptogram. So we'll get more on 4172 03:17:21.000 --> 03:17:22.280 that when we decode that one. 4173 03:17:22.920 --> 03:17:25.399 Yes, and I know that there was a later edition 4174 03:17:25.600 --> 03:17:26.879 adding more contest. 4175 03:17:27.520 --> 03:17:30.879 Really yeah, yes, if I could just say about that 4176 03:17:30.959 --> 03:17:34.319 real quick, I can't believe the coffee rings are a 4177 03:17:34.319 --> 03:17:38.239 freaking code and a rectangles aren't. God damn it. 4178 03:17:39.520 --> 03:17:40.319 It's insane. 4179 03:17:40.479 --> 03:17:42.239 It got to the point I think it was. I 4180 03:17:42.280 --> 03:17:46.040 think it was cipher Hunt where I that initial page 4181 03:17:46.200 --> 03:17:51.040 that people had to decode, where I realized, not only 4182 03:17:51.159 --> 03:17:54.319 is there nothing that Hersh and the other folks behind 4183 03:17:54.319 --> 03:17:57.159 Gravity Falls will not make into a code, there is 4184 03:17:57.200 --> 03:18:01.159 nothing that the fans will not figure out is a code. 4185 03:18:00.920 --> 03:18:04.239 He really can't take anything for granted. There will be 4186 03:18:04.360 --> 03:18:09.200 like like flex of like eraser shavings or something on 4187 03:18:09.239 --> 03:18:11.959 a page, and will you're like, Okay, this is actually 4188 03:18:12.000 --> 03:18:14.239 a code if you look at the length of each 4189 03:18:14.520 --> 03:18:18.799 shaving and multiply it by the diameter of the overall 4190 03:18:18.920 --> 03:18:23.680 shape that the shavings create. Like, it really is unreal 4191 03:18:23.719 --> 03:18:25.639 to me, and I admire it. 4192 03:18:25.760 --> 03:18:28.440 The funny part of that also is, you know, you 4193 03:18:28.520 --> 03:18:31.440 get fans that are hyper vigilant and just looking for 4194 03:18:31.520 --> 03:18:34.079 things where there where there might not be any there. 4195 03:18:34.040 --> 03:18:36.399 But that more often than not that pays off. In 4196 03:18:36.440 --> 03:18:39.440 any other fandom, people would be constantly grasping at straws, 4197 03:18:39.719 --> 03:18:42.440 but here it's like, no, the straw leads to a 4198 03:18:42.559 --> 03:18:46.479 very delicious beverage every time straws. 4199 03:18:46.520 --> 03:18:49.440 Yeah, keep that in mind for earlier in this podcast hint, hint. 4200 03:18:49.600 --> 03:18:54.440 But Chrissy from our discord server helped us kind of 4201 03:18:54.520 --> 03:18:58.239 understand the episode Time Codes and the Coffee Rings. So 4202 03:18:58.319 --> 03:19:02.879 here is the explanation of the episode Time Codes Cipher 4203 03:19:03.360 --> 03:19:06.520 that she had written for us. Yes, because yeah, Ella 4204 03:19:06.600 --> 03:19:09.079 had asked and she explained it, and the explanation she 4205 03:19:09.360 --> 03:19:11.120 gave was first number. 4206 03:19:11.559 --> 03:19:13.840 Well, I guess see how it did. Let's explain how 4207 03:19:13.840 --> 03:19:16.440 it appears first, right, like how it's Yes, Okay. 4208 03:19:16.440 --> 03:19:18.639 If I might be wrong about this, but I'm pretty 4209 03:19:18.639 --> 03:19:22.360 sure that the color substitution cipher is mostly in regards 4210 03:19:22.360 --> 03:19:25.479 to Euclidia, specifically. 4211 03:19:25.319 --> 03:19:29.319 On the Silly Straws pages, which is the page that 4212 03:19:29.360 --> 03:19:31.959 you skip to if you decide not to take the deal. 4213 03:19:32.079 --> 03:19:33.399 Yes, page seventy seven. 4214 03:19:33.520 --> 03:19:37.479 Yes, the only numbered page. Yes, there are strings of 4215 03:19:38.319 --> 03:19:43.399 just numbers, and they do have spaces, but beyond that, 4216 03:19:43.520 --> 03:19:47.200 there's no like. They are all three or four numbers each, 4217 03:19:47.319 --> 03:19:50.479 like digits each, and there's no apparent pattern or way 4218 03:19:50.520 --> 03:19:53.000 to brute force it. So there has to be some 4219 03:19:53.040 --> 03:19:56.159 sort of method to it. And you know now that 4220 03:19:56.239 --> 03:20:00.360 I'm looking at them in hindsight, all of the the 4221 03:20:00.399 --> 03:20:03.079 first parts of the numbers in each sort of set 4222 03:20:03.479 --> 03:20:07.239 starts with either a one or a two, notably no. 4223 03:20:07.479 --> 03:20:11.159 Three, and then the second parts only go up to twenty. 4224 03:20:11.319 --> 03:20:11.600 Yes. 4225 03:20:11.680 --> 03:20:14.600 Well, and I assume that that's the jumping off point 4226 03:20:14.680 --> 03:20:18.799 that people got the rest from. So what Chrissy in 4227 03:20:18.879 --> 03:20:22.120 our discord explained to me is that in each set 4228 03:20:22.159 --> 03:20:25.399 there's two numbers. In the first number, the first digit 4229 03:20:25.760 --> 03:20:28.760 is going to represent the season of gravity falls, so 4230 03:20:29.239 --> 03:20:32.440 either one or two, and all the other digits that's 4231 03:20:32.440 --> 03:20:36.440 going to represent the episode number, and then the second 4232 03:20:36.479 --> 03:20:40.079 number is going to have the last two digits are 4233 03:20:40.120 --> 03:20:42.639 always going to be the seconds of the time code 4234 03:20:42.680 --> 03:20:44.959 in the actual episode, like where in the episode to 4235 03:20:44.959 --> 03:20:47.079 skip two, and the rest of the digits before it 4236 03:20:47.120 --> 03:20:50.479 is like the minutes, and then you are meant to 4237 03:20:50.639 --> 03:20:53.559 take each of those number sets and grab the word 4238 03:20:53.639 --> 03:20:57.639 that is spoken by the characters at that particular timestamp. So, 4239 03:20:58.319 --> 03:21:01.200 first example is the first number is two to fifteen, 4240 03:21:01.319 --> 03:21:04.600 so that is season two, episode fifteen, and the next 4241 03:21:04.680 --> 03:21:07.440 number is eight five eight, so that is eight minutes 4242 03:21:07.479 --> 03:21:10.520 fifty eight seconds. That gets you the word twisted because 4243 03:21:10.520 --> 03:21:13.520 it is in the last Maple corn Ford saying. 4244 03:21:13.840 --> 03:21:16.760 I know he's older than our galaxy and far more 4245 03:21:16.879 --> 03:21:17.520 twisted me. 4246 03:21:17.799 --> 03:21:19.239 Literally is that exact second? 4247 03:21:19.319 --> 03:21:22.319 Join me on my single one hundred toilet dreams picture 4248 03:21:22.479 --> 03:21:25.879 everybody want to scam some sweet bucks or potential pizza. 4249 03:21:26.840 --> 03:21:27.440 Yeah. 4250 03:21:27.879 --> 03:21:32.040 That's from the Strongbad Email Rock Opera where they ask 4251 03:21:32.120 --> 03:21:34.280 if he's ever written a rock opera and he says, 4252 03:21:34.319 --> 03:21:36.600 not only have I written it, but you've all heard 4253 03:21:37.120 --> 03:21:40.520 all of it separately because it cost that's one word 4254 03:21:40.600 --> 03:21:45.239 from each of my emails. Yes, and then literally did 4255 03:21:45.280 --> 03:21:48.879 write a song that way, And it's complete gibberish because 4256 03:21:48.920 --> 03:21:51.040 it's hard to forbe go here thoughts out of that. 4257 03:21:51.760 --> 03:22:00.239 Join my single hundred toilet pigture everybody, some sweet box book, 4258 03:22:02.879 --> 03:22:05.159 never mind double paints. 4259 03:22:05.239 --> 03:22:09.600 But I guess where Matt failed, his former co worker succeeded. 4260 03:22:10.879 --> 03:22:12.840 I just want to point out, by the way that 4261 03:22:13.000 --> 03:22:16.280 on this silly straw page, like with all these numbers, 4262 03:22:16.399 --> 03:22:21.520 all these first glance nonsensical numbers, the literal next page 4263 03:22:21.600 --> 03:22:25.479 says this book has no codes, which is so funny 4264 03:22:25.559 --> 03:22:25.760 to me. 4265 03:22:26.399 --> 03:22:29.719 It's also such a coincidence because this podcast has no codes, 4266 03:22:29.920 --> 03:22:30.479 none at all. 4267 03:22:30.920 --> 03:22:32.520 It's true established that earlier. 4268 03:22:32.600 --> 03:22:34.920 That's right, What is happening here? 4269 03:22:36.920 --> 03:22:38.719 Do you want to read the next new cipher? 4270 03:22:38.879 --> 03:22:39.000 Uh? 4271 03:22:39.319 --> 03:22:39.680 Hannah? 4272 03:22:39.879 --> 03:22:43.079 Yeah, sure, it's the therapism one right. 4273 03:22:42.879 --> 03:22:46.719 Right, which is another substitution cipher. So it's symbols that 4274 03:22:46.760 --> 03:22:50.520 each correlate. Yes, And I guess that was also that 4275 03:22:50.600 --> 03:22:52.319 must have also just been brute forest, right. 4276 03:22:52.600 --> 03:22:55.040 I believe at least some of it was. I think, 4277 03:22:55.239 --> 03:22:57.360 you know, we talked about how like a lot of 4278 03:22:57.399 --> 03:23:00.319 these were brute forests or over analyzed by the fan them. 4279 03:23:00.719 --> 03:23:03.680 Several of these were over analyzed by the fandom even 4280 03:23:04.000 --> 03:23:07.239 before the Book of Bill came out, or at least 4281 03:23:07.319 --> 03:23:11.040 they were recognized in some you know, brute force crack 4282 03:23:11.120 --> 03:23:15.879 from the images on the Gus Oregon Park's Twitter account 4283 03:23:16.040 --> 03:23:20.920 or various images that like were leaked in advance made 4284 03:23:20.920 --> 03:23:23.840 their way around town, and you know, people started to 4285 03:23:23.959 --> 03:23:27.840 like brute force from those. Though of course that wasn't 4286 03:23:27.879 --> 03:23:30.840 a lot to pull from. Most of the book managed 4287 03:23:30.840 --> 03:23:36.600 to say pretty secret until it was actually released. But yeah, Therapism, 4288 03:23:36.760 --> 03:23:39.879 if I remember correctly, is just a substitution cipher. And 4289 03:23:41.559 --> 03:23:44.680 I'm trying to remember what page has the actual key 4290 03:23:44.799 --> 03:23:50.120 for it. There's just so many freaking pages in this book. 4291 03:23:50.239 --> 03:23:54.040 So yeah, yeah, let's keep moving. Okay. 4292 03:23:54.079 --> 03:23:57.040 It also includes an alchemic substitution cipher. 4293 03:23:56.840 --> 03:23:59.680 Another one of those just a is this be as 4294 03:23:59.719 --> 03:24:02.799 this sort of deals? This next one is to me 4295 03:24:03.079 --> 03:24:06.959 what the color one is to uh ella. It's an autostereogram, 4296 03:24:07.040 --> 03:24:09.840 one of those images that just looks like a bunch 4297 03:24:09.879 --> 03:24:10.799 of repeating blocks. 4298 03:24:10.840 --> 03:24:12.319 But if you cross your eyes, it's. 4299 03:24:12.200 --> 03:24:17.559 In three D. I have very poor visual vestibular skills. 4300 03:24:17.840 --> 03:24:19.639 I don't have complete monocular vision. 4301 03:24:19.680 --> 03:24:21.000 I see the world in three D. 4302 03:24:21.559 --> 03:24:24.479 But think of it like if you have a three 4303 03:24:24.559 --> 03:24:27.559 DS there's that three D slider if you turn it 4304 03:24:27.600 --> 03:24:29.520 all the way up, obviously it's in three D. If 4305 03:24:29.559 --> 03:24:31.719 you turn it all the way down, obviously it's in 4306 03:24:31.760 --> 03:24:35.360 two D. I'm like, when you don't push it all 4307 03:24:35.399 --> 03:24:37.319 the way down, or you don't hear that click, but 4308 03:24:37.399 --> 03:24:39.760 it's otherwise all the way down where it's in three 4309 03:24:39.840 --> 03:24:41.760 D if you pay attention very closely. 4310 03:24:41.799 --> 03:24:44.079 That's how I see the world. So like when I. 4311 03:24:44.040 --> 03:24:47.159 See three D movies, I have to focus really hard 4312 03:24:47.559 --> 03:24:51.280 to justify paying the extra ticket price, or it just 4313 03:24:51.319 --> 03:24:53.719 looks the same to me. So I used to go 4314 03:24:53.760 --> 03:24:55.600 to when I was learning to ride a bike when 4315 03:24:55.600 --> 03:24:58.520 I was seventeen, I had to go to vision therapy 4316 03:24:58.639 --> 03:25:01.680 to do so, and I used to have to look 4317 03:25:01.760 --> 03:25:07.479 at these autostereograms all the time for therapy reasons, to 4318 03:25:07.559 --> 03:25:12.200 try to get my motion sickness and my depth perception 4319 03:25:12.520 --> 03:25:14.200 a little better under control. 4320 03:25:14.600 --> 03:25:16.520 And I'm very out of practice. 4321 03:25:16.559 --> 03:25:18.440 I was able to cross my eyes and make the 4322 03:25:18.479 --> 03:25:20.719 image three D, but I wasn't able to do it 4323 03:25:20.920 --> 03:25:24.760 well enough to see what the heck I was looking at. 4324 03:25:25.159 --> 03:25:27.159 Are these like the magic eye puzzles? 4325 03:25:27.360 --> 03:25:28.120 Yeah? 4326 03:25:28.239 --> 03:25:30.000 Yeah, those always have given me a head. 4327 03:25:30.000 --> 03:25:32.559 Oh yeah, I'm just glad that Candy's favorite color is in. 4328 03:25:32.520 --> 03:25:36.120 This book magic magic eye poster. What's your favorite color? 4329 03:25:36.159 --> 03:25:38.559 Gravity faves magic Poster. 4330 03:25:38.959 --> 03:25:40.440 But yeah, I was able to I'm able to do 4331 03:25:40.479 --> 03:25:42.399 it because I have so much practice, because I used 4332 03:25:42.440 --> 03:25:45.079 to have to do it for hours every Thursday. 4333 03:25:45.239 --> 03:25:47.879 Yeah, apparently this one just translates to the word no, 4334 03:25:48.040 --> 03:25:50.719 and I'm I don't know how you're supposed to see it. 4335 03:25:50.920 --> 03:25:53.920 Okay, I got that the second letter was oh, but 4336 03:25:54.040 --> 03:25:56.200 I could not tell what else I was looking at. 4337 03:25:56.239 --> 03:25:57.319 I don't know how you're getting that. 4338 03:25:57.959 --> 03:25:59.200 Yeah, I can't see anything. 4339 03:25:59.399 --> 03:26:01.120 I mean, don't look at it in the Google Dog. 4340 03:26:01.159 --> 03:26:03.000 It's bigger in the actual book. But you do have 4341 03:26:03.079 --> 03:26:06.200 to cross your eyes until signs that are the same 4342 03:26:06.559 --> 03:26:08.920 line up with each other. So until it's no long 4343 03:26:09.000 --> 03:26:11.000 like keep crossing your eyes and keep adjusting it until 4344 03:26:11.040 --> 03:26:12.120 it's no longer blurry. 4345 03:26:12.360 --> 03:26:13.399 It's hard. 4346 03:26:14.559 --> 03:26:17.879 I guess my disability means I've been forced to do 4347 03:26:17.920 --> 03:26:19.239 it more often, which is funny. 4348 03:26:19.280 --> 03:26:21.440 Okay, I think I understand the process. 4349 03:26:21.799 --> 03:26:24.040 I will say that, like, when I'm looking at those, 4350 03:26:24.159 --> 03:26:26.319 it's the same problem that I have when I'm looking 4351 03:26:26.319 --> 03:26:30.120 at repeated numbers. I just I can't fathom them. 4352 03:26:30.399 --> 03:26:34.879 And then there are two more substitution ciphers that have 4353 03:26:34.959 --> 03:26:38.840 been introduced that not only unlock codes in the book, 4354 03:26:39.079 --> 03:26:42.200 but unlock codes in earlier works. 4355 03:26:42.159 --> 03:26:44.319 Which which is and this is one of my favorite 4356 03:26:44.360 --> 03:26:48.440 things about this book, hands down, is that codes are 4357 03:26:48.559 --> 03:26:53.360 retroactively like they're backwards compatible with the show itself and 4358 03:26:53.399 --> 03:26:56.479 it's that and also the episode time codes code I 4359 03:26:56.520 --> 03:26:58.639 think I love is that it enhances your viewing of 4360 03:26:58.680 --> 03:27:02.760 the show and it references to the actual series. Maybe 4361 03:27:02.799 --> 03:27:05.079 that's why they had the quick time bar in that 4362 03:27:05.200 --> 03:27:08.159 other book. It was supposed to establish that you're looking 4363 03:27:08.200 --> 03:27:13.239 at the time codese. Think about it like that, it's 4364 03:27:13.360 --> 03:27:14.479 all connected. 4365 03:27:16.200 --> 03:27:17.319 What's this first one here? 4366 03:27:17.479 --> 03:27:20.760 The first one that was given was the Rune substitution cipher, 4367 03:27:20.760 --> 03:27:23.040 which is seen in Dipper segment in the theme song 4368 03:27:23.120 --> 03:27:25.239 and translates to hey dip so when. 4369 03:27:25.079 --> 03:27:27.479 He's holding up the candle and there's just some like 4370 03:27:27.639 --> 03:27:34.879 etchings there. That's the same cipher as revealed in book 4371 03:27:34.879 --> 03:27:38.120 A Bill, which is like crazy because that's we only 4372 03:27:38.159 --> 03:27:40.120 know what that says fourteen years later. 4373 03:27:40.319 --> 03:27:41.239 Yeah, there was no. 4374 03:27:41.559 --> 03:27:44.200 Key for it wild, there was no indicator. 4375 03:27:44.719 --> 03:27:48.159 Notably, there are some interesting things with the substitution cipher. 4376 03:27:48.239 --> 03:27:51.000 For one, thing. The Hey dip only works if some 4377 03:27:51.040 --> 03:27:52.840 of the cipher or if some of the runes are 4378 03:27:52.879 --> 03:27:55.799 actually combined, like they need to be touching for it 4379 03:27:55.840 --> 03:27:59.559 to work. But also there are other instances in Grabby 4380 03:27:59.639 --> 03:28:03.360 Balls runes do show up. They show up in Ford's 4381 03:28:03.600 --> 03:28:07.559 cabin in a Talatoo Stands like a ton of times. 4382 03:28:07.639 --> 03:28:11.680 He just has these stone tablets covered in ruins just 4383 03:28:11.879 --> 03:28:12.799 laying around. 4384 03:28:13.840 --> 03:28:14.440 Translated. 4385 03:28:14.680 --> 03:28:18.600 No, they don't match the same alphabet. Oh yeah, I 4386 03:28:18.639 --> 03:28:21.559 talk about this in my Talatoo Stands video which has 4387 03:28:21.600 --> 03:28:22.319 already come out. 4388 03:28:22.639 --> 03:28:25.760 That's insane or maybe it's maybe it's just an maybe 4389 03:28:25.760 --> 03:28:28.239 it's just an ancient version of key smashing. 4390 03:28:28.559 --> 03:28:33.200 Yes of course, but yeah, no, those runs actually match. 4391 03:28:33.319 --> 03:28:38.000 Like I think it's called old Barthick runs. They have 4392 03:28:38.040 --> 03:28:40.479 a specific name for that runic alphabet, and it is 4393 03:28:40.520 --> 03:28:44.479 an actual uh Norse alphabet, but it doesn't actually mean anything. 4394 03:28:44.879 --> 03:28:47.879 So it is ancient keys. It literally is ancient key smashing. 4395 03:28:48.639 --> 03:28:52.840 Did we put them through like the Caesar cipher or anything? 4396 03:28:53.079 --> 03:28:55.159 Just see if it's an extra ciphered cipher. 4397 03:28:55.280 --> 03:28:56.479 Yeah, that's true. Could be combined. 4398 03:28:57.079 --> 03:29:00.399 No, nothing I can find, especially because you know the 4399 03:29:00.520 --> 03:29:03.120 runes that we get in the Book of Bill. Some 4400 03:29:03.200 --> 03:29:05.879 of them do match old actual runes, but they have 4401 03:29:05.959 --> 03:29:08.799 different letters or these different symbols, at least as far 4402 03:29:08.840 --> 03:29:11.559 as I could tell then the actual ones that you know, 4403 03:29:11.959 --> 03:29:16.360 the Vikings used. They just look similar aesthetically. Yeah, as 4404 03:29:16.360 --> 03:29:19.000 far as them being put through any kind of substitution 4405 03:29:19.120 --> 03:29:23.159 cipher or anything like that, or a cesarean cipher, I 4406 03:29:23.159 --> 03:29:26.440 I am going to say that I don't think they 4407 03:29:26.479 --> 03:29:29.280 were thinking that deep about it. And even the hay 4408 03:29:29.399 --> 03:29:32.239 dip in the theme song, because the symbols only match 4409 03:29:32.319 --> 03:29:36.280 if they're touching. That was absolutely like a retroactive thing 4410 03:29:36.319 --> 03:29:38.440 that they did. But I'm so glad they did it 4411 03:29:38.479 --> 03:29:39.719 because it's so cool. 4412 03:29:40.040 --> 03:29:42.399 Yeah, And I was gonna I was gonna say, you 4413 03:29:42.479 --> 03:29:46.639 could easily make the argument that that it wasn't planned, 4414 03:29:46.680 --> 03:29:50.000 but rather they they saw these unsolved things and they thought, 4415 03:29:50.079 --> 03:29:51.600 let's build an alphabet around that. 4416 03:29:51.840 --> 03:29:52.040 Yeah. 4417 03:29:52.079 --> 03:29:55.000 I think knowing the way that hersh operates and the 4418 03:29:55.000 --> 03:29:57.600 way that the crew operates, I could see it being 4419 03:29:58.239 --> 03:30:03.319 either explanation just as easily. Because for as much as 4420 03:30:03.319 --> 03:30:07.360 they have kind of made stuff to retroactively fit, they've 4421 03:30:07.360 --> 03:30:09.840 also thought through a lot of stuff that they've held 4422 03:30:10.000 --> 03:30:13.040 intentionally you know, close to the vest so as not 4423 03:30:13.200 --> 03:30:15.040 to give away with their you know, because how many 4424 03:30:15.079 --> 03:30:17.879 times in interviews has he said like, well, I were 4425 03:30:17.920 --> 03:30:20.360 holding onto that maybe this kind of stuff, maybe we 4426 03:30:20.440 --> 03:30:21.680 want to do something with it later. 4427 03:30:21.920 --> 03:30:25.959 Yeah, I remember where I'm sorry, I remember where the 4428 03:30:25.959 --> 03:30:29.920 therapism code is. It's not in the book. It's actually 4429 03:30:30.000 --> 03:30:32.079 one of this one of the circle. Oh my god, 4430 03:30:32.120 --> 03:30:34.159 I got a Google to double check myself here, but 4431 03:30:34.200 --> 03:30:39.600 I believe it's one of the circles in this Yes, yes, 4432 03:30:39.680 --> 03:30:42.000 this is so cool. This is another instance of one 4433 03:30:42.000 --> 03:30:44.680 of those things. 4434 03:30:44.680 --> 03:30:45.280 So hard. 4435 03:30:46.920 --> 03:30:48.079 I'm excited there. 4436 03:30:48.159 --> 03:30:49.959 No, thank you for swearing because we get to use 4437 03:30:49.959 --> 03:30:50.319 our sensor. 4438 03:30:50.399 --> 03:30:50.440 No. 4439 03:30:50.600 --> 03:30:52.879 And speaking of swearing, ella, oh yes. 4440 03:30:52.840 --> 03:30:55.840 This maybe is my favorite like reveal that the Book 4441 03:30:55.840 --> 03:30:59.719 of Bill brought about in general. Toward the end of 4442 03:30:59.760 --> 03:31:04.399 the book, in Ford's notes, he has some photographs from 4443 03:31:04.600 --> 03:31:09.360 his childhood with Stanley, and they have a picture something 4444 03:31:09.360 --> 03:31:12.600 called a Brose Secret Code, which just has a bunch 4445 03:31:12.600 --> 03:31:16.200 of symbols that you would associate with a comic book 4446 03:31:16.280 --> 03:31:19.600 character swearing things like that. Not only do they use 4447 03:31:19.639 --> 03:31:22.360 it later in the book at various points, but we 4448 03:31:22.399 --> 03:31:27.440 saw those exact symbols in season two, episode seven, Society 4449 03:31:27.479 --> 03:31:31.760 of the Blind Eye, when McGucket is hamboning apparently what 4450 03:31:31.879 --> 03:31:34.840 is a swear? At the reveal that the Blind Eye 4451 03:31:34.879 --> 03:31:38.040 Society wiped Lazy Susan's memory and we never knew what 4452 03:31:38.159 --> 03:31:41.440 exactly he said, but thanks to the code, which you know, 4453 03:31:41.559 --> 03:31:44.559 lines up to the alphabet with twenty six symbols, we 4454 03:31:44.680 --> 03:31:50.159 know that he said, oh Disney, which again could have 4455 03:31:50.200 --> 03:31:54.920 been retroactively made to fit, but it would be so funny. 4456 03:31:55.040 --> 03:31:58.000 Well, so this one, this one I'm not sure about 4457 03:31:58.159 --> 03:32:02.079 because there there isn't a sixth letter swear? Is there? 4458 03:32:02.639 --> 03:32:06.959 Uh? Not one in English I could think of, unless 4459 03:32:06.959 --> 03:32:07.520 there's noose. 4460 03:32:07.680 --> 03:32:08.280 I mean, I don't know. 4461 03:32:08.680 --> 03:32:10.280 I grew up a pretty goody two shoes. 4462 03:32:10.600 --> 03:32:13.639 Maybe there's side that have been developing. 4463 03:32:14.000 --> 03:32:16.479 Well, I mean there's sure, Oh yeah, true, but no, 4464 03:32:16.559 --> 03:32:19.920 it's it's easy to understand that, given their frustrations with 4465 03:32:20.200 --> 03:32:23.959 Disney S and P that maybe that was always intended 4466 03:32:24.000 --> 03:32:24.920 to be what he said. 4467 03:32:24.959 --> 03:32:25.360 Disney. 4468 03:32:25.559 --> 03:32:27.360 Disney itself is a swear. 4469 03:32:27.280 --> 03:32:30.280 In the Gravity Falls Universe. Yes, Disney itself is a swear, 4470 03:32:30.559 --> 03:32:31.600 so this isn't. 4471 03:32:31.840 --> 03:32:35.440 In Lost Legends, when either Dicky or Ascott finally learns 4472 03:32:35.440 --> 03:32:37.879 to swear. Is it? This is not true? That does 4473 03:32:37.920 --> 03:32:38.559 not unlock that. 4474 03:32:38.879 --> 03:32:40.040 Yeah, let me gum shoes. 4475 03:32:40.120 --> 03:32:40.719 What is that? 4476 03:32:40.840 --> 03:32:45.159 She's the Jersey devil. That's raill. I'd be excited if 4477 03:32:45.159 --> 03:32:51.040 I wasn't so terrified. Where Hey, look who finally learned 4478 03:32:51.040 --> 03:32:51.559 to swear? 4479 03:32:52.360 --> 03:32:53.319 I actually am not sure. 4480 03:32:53.520 --> 03:32:54.559 I am not sure either. 4481 03:32:55.360 --> 03:32:58.200 God, I gotta pull that up and don't chat here. 4482 03:32:58.239 --> 03:32:59.959 Well, I have my copy right up on the shelf here. 4483 03:33:01.040 --> 03:33:02.879 We might be doing a live decoding. 4484 03:33:03.360 --> 03:33:06.559 Yes, we are doing a live attempt at decoding right now. 4485 03:33:06.760 --> 03:33:08.559 But we'll do it live. 4486 03:33:09.040 --> 03:33:09.920 We'll do it live. 4487 03:33:12.040 --> 03:33:15.520 Well, we've done that before in Tourists Trapped and in 4488 03:33:15.799 --> 03:33:16.319 Love God. 4489 03:33:16.440 --> 03:33:18.680 So yeah, that's true. Mm hmmmmm. 4490 03:33:22.319 --> 03:33:22.680 Okay. 4491 03:33:22.719 --> 03:33:25.879 The first letter is S. This is very promising. The 4492 03:33:25.920 --> 03:33:28.399 first letter is S, yes, but the second letter is B, 4493 03:33:28.559 --> 03:33:32.440 so I don't I don't think we're actually getting anywhere though. 4494 03:33:32.559 --> 03:33:33.680 Let's just say S B. 4495 03:33:34.280 --> 03:33:36.079 Maybe it needs to be substituted. 4496 03:33:36.239 --> 03:33:41.520 Third letter is E. I think the last letter is Z. 4497 03:33:41.719 --> 03:33:46.520 That's a good swear, Yeah, he says SZ S B easy. 4498 03:33:46.879 --> 03:33:50.239 There's no visible exclamation mark on the Bros Secret Code 4499 03:33:50.399 --> 03:33:53.879 like page. But I think where Z is looks like 4500 03:33:54.280 --> 03:33:57.040 it's the top of an exclamation mark. So I think 4501 03:33:57.040 --> 03:34:02.719 he says spez, yeahz. 4502 03:34:01.760 --> 03:34:03.799 No is that is that encoded? 4503 03:34:03.920 --> 03:34:06.479 To be fair, that's his first time swearing, so he, 4504 03:34:07.120 --> 03:34:09.079 you know, is the best one he knew. 4505 03:34:09.479 --> 03:34:12.440 If somebody called me a spez, I would assume it's 4506 03:34:12.440 --> 03:34:12.879 a slur. 4507 03:34:13.200 --> 03:34:14.760 It's very close to a slur. 4508 03:34:14.959 --> 03:34:16.639 Yeah, that's true. It was also the it was also 4509 03:34:16.680 --> 03:34:19.399 the sixties. It was the sixties, so it's a different times. 4510 03:34:19.479 --> 03:34:22.040 It's a one vowel off from being a slur. 4511 03:34:22.520 --> 03:34:23.440 It's in the neighborhood. 4512 03:34:23.520 --> 03:34:27.159 Yeah, the slur. I'd never entering the slur neighborhood. I 4513 03:34:27.239 --> 03:34:29.399 try to route around it when I'm driving. 4514 03:34:30.360 --> 03:34:32.040 Yeah, I mean growing up there was kind of it 4515 03:34:32.079 --> 03:34:32.479 was rough. 4516 03:34:33.600 --> 03:34:34.520 Oh yeah, why. 4517 03:34:34.639 --> 03:34:40.440 Well, I can't say yeah. So, uh, now that we've 4518 03:34:40.600 --> 03:34:44.760 established I'm pretty sure that's all of the types of ciphers, right, Hannah, 4519 03:34:45.120 --> 03:34:48.200 Are we missing any well? Okay, so there is, we. 4520 03:34:48.120 --> 03:34:50.000 Are missing them, but our aim is getting better. 4521 03:34:51.000 --> 03:34:54.120 There's a translatable barcode I think right on the intro 4522 03:34:54.399 --> 03:34:55.719 page to the book. 4523 03:34:55.719 --> 03:34:59.399 It'slf there is. I think it translates to I think 4524 03:34:59.440 --> 03:35:01.600 it's on the MA the scene page, and I believe 4525 03:35:02.120 --> 03:35:03.840 it translates to hay NERD. 4526 03:35:04.719 --> 03:35:07.799 We have a written down a bunch of the more 4527 03:35:07.920 --> 03:35:10.120 important codes that are revealed here. 4528 03:35:10.159 --> 03:35:13.159 That might be important, right, because there are like fifty 4529 03:35:13.200 --> 03:35:14.319 codes in this book. 4530 03:35:14.479 --> 03:35:17.559 Yeah, so we we picked a best of sort of 4531 03:35:17.559 --> 03:35:21.319 selection here. So on the how to Cheat Death page 4532 03:35:21.879 --> 03:35:27.280 in Bill's substitution cipher is written, regrowing limbs is axis art, 4533 03:35:27.520 --> 03:35:29.719 but can he regrow a ripped out heart? 4534 03:35:30.120 --> 03:35:32.520 I don't know if that is from Bill's perspective, because 4535 03:35:32.520 --> 03:35:33.920 I don't know if he would admit. 4536 03:35:33.680 --> 03:35:36.319 To Eh, Okay, then I'll give it another take. 4537 03:35:36.479 --> 03:35:38.719 No, maybe he's talking about I guess he could be 4538 03:35:38.719 --> 03:35:40.680 talking about someone else. I guess I assumed that that 4539 03:35:40.840 --> 03:35:41.879 was referring to Bill. 4540 03:35:42.120 --> 03:35:43.520 Do you want me to give another take where I 4541 03:35:43.520 --> 03:35:44.079 see it as me? 4542 03:35:44.200 --> 03:35:44.360 Then? 4543 03:35:44.639 --> 03:35:44.879 Sure? 4544 03:35:44.959 --> 03:35:49.440 Yeah, regrowing limbs is axis art? But can he regrow 4545 03:35:49.600 --> 03:35:50.639 a ripped out heart? 4546 03:35:51.040 --> 03:35:53.000 You know? Yeah, you're reading on It has given me 4547 03:35:53.120 --> 03:35:56.680 this sort of mini theory of like, is this referring 4548 03:35:56.920 --> 03:36:02.000 to Bill himself, having you know, gone through this horrible 4549 03:36:02.000 --> 03:36:04.079 thing that he did and having a ripped out heart? 4550 03:36:04.280 --> 03:36:08.000 Or is it Bill talking about just something gruesome that 4551 03:36:08.040 --> 03:36:13.600 he would do to someone else? So many questions, so 4552 03:36:13.879 --> 03:36:17.520 many questions. So going back to the silly Straws page, 4553 03:36:17.879 --> 03:36:20.000 the code that we talked about earlier is actually just 4554 03:36:20.000 --> 03:36:23.639 one piece of the overall code on that page. The 4555 03:36:23.680 --> 03:36:27.280 rest are all in the Caesar cipher. They're sort of 4556 03:36:27.840 --> 03:36:32.360 wiggling down the silly straws as Bill goes way. But 4557 03:36:32.399 --> 03:36:34.559 the rest are in the Caesar cipher, and you put 4558 03:36:34.600 --> 03:36:38.120 them all together, and they read this little poem, I 4559 03:36:38.319 --> 03:36:41.000 doctor of a different kind who wants to make his 4560 03:36:41.200 --> 03:36:44.920 patient blind. The doctor says three SIPs a day will 4561 03:36:44.959 --> 03:36:49.200 make the visions go away. Fussy eater baby Billy wouldn't 4562 03:36:49.280 --> 03:36:52.959 drink unless it's silly, twisted out of shape. After the kill, 4563 03:36:53.399 --> 03:36:56.040 the ghosts of his family are haunting him still. 4564 03:36:56.959 --> 03:37:01.280 And you know what I especially love about this page 4565 03:37:01.319 --> 03:37:06.159 in particular, is I have previously said to Ella the 4566 03:37:06.200 --> 03:37:08.280 most gravity falls joke. 4567 03:37:08.120 --> 03:37:11.000 In Edgar Wright's Cornetto trilogy is. 4568 03:37:11.280 --> 03:37:13.159 Why do you think I'll drink with this crazy straw? 4569 03:37:13.639 --> 03:37:14.600 Not so crazy now? 4570 03:37:14.600 --> 03:37:18.920 With ah? Yes, so I haven't connect back to conspiracies 4571 03:37:19.000 --> 03:37:22.479 is great as well, as you know, I Doctor of 4572 03:37:22.520 --> 03:37:27.840 a different kind. Hearkens back to TJ. ECKBERGA pages will 4573 03:37:27.840 --> 03:37:28.879 probably never come up again. 4574 03:37:29.280 --> 03:37:33.319 No, probably, probably not on the codes. There are no 4575 03:37:33.440 --> 03:37:36.399 codes in this book page. There's a circle in a 4576 03:37:36.440 --> 03:37:39.680 tree with an alphabet around it. Throughout the book there 4577 03:37:39.719 --> 03:37:43.239 are stains made by coffee. If you line them up 4578 03:37:43.239 --> 03:37:47.079 with the tree alphabet circle, there are droplets corresponding to 4579 03:37:47.079 --> 03:37:50.280 the position of the letters. Putting all the coffee stains 4580 03:37:50.280 --> 03:37:54.239 in the book together, you get his dimension now deceased, 4581 03:37:54.440 --> 03:37:56.959 Scalene and Euclid rest in peace. 4582 03:37:57.680 --> 03:38:01.440 So I didn't understand this one at all. Chrissy explained 4583 03:38:01.479 --> 03:38:05.399 it and provided a useful little graphic here for me 4584 03:38:05.479 --> 03:38:07.840 to help understand it. And then I did write that 4585 03:38:07.879 --> 03:38:11.600 explanation myself, but the graphic helped a lots of thanks again, Chrisy. 4586 03:38:12.319 --> 03:38:14.840 Yeah, so, how does it correspond to the position? 4587 03:38:15.360 --> 03:38:18.879 There are drops, so's it's the ones that go outside 4588 03:38:18.920 --> 03:38:19.520 of the circle. 4589 03:38:19.600 --> 03:38:21.840 Anything in the circle is fine. 4590 03:38:21.639 --> 03:38:25.959 But there are drops that kind of like extend outwards 4591 03:38:26.000 --> 03:38:29.040 like a little lie. And yeah, if you look at 4592 03:38:29.040 --> 03:38:32.000 the image here, those drops have read dots on them 4593 03:38:32.000 --> 03:38:33.959 to just show where they are. And that is a 4594 03:38:34.079 --> 03:38:36.559 coffee stain lined up with the tree circle. 4595 03:38:36.719 --> 03:38:36.959 Yeah. 4596 03:38:36.959 --> 03:38:39.559 When I first saw that that circle, I knew, you know, 4597 03:38:39.639 --> 03:38:41.799 obviously that feels like a cipher wheel. But I think 4598 03:38:41.799 --> 03:38:44.840 I went back to my dipper in Mabel's Guide to 4599 03:38:45.479 --> 03:38:47.879 Mystery NonStop Fun. I grabbed the cipher wheel from that. 4600 03:38:48.079 --> 03:38:50.200 I was like, is this part of it? Is it 4601 03:38:50.280 --> 03:38:53.280 going back to this book? But no, that's just that's 4602 03:38:53.360 --> 03:38:54.639 just more letters. 4603 03:38:54.360 --> 03:38:56.760 You had the spirit, But no, not in that case. 4604 03:38:57.879 --> 03:39:00.520 We like your hood spa thank you. I I like 4605 03:39:00.559 --> 03:39:00.840 it too. 4606 03:39:01.120 --> 03:39:04.319 Also, are we allowed to talk about like what it 4607 03:39:04.479 --> 03:39:05.399 actually says? 4608 03:39:05.639 --> 03:39:06.920 Sure, scaling and. 4609 03:39:07.000 --> 03:39:12.200 You could rest in peace these like it's been basically 4610 03:39:12.239 --> 03:39:16.479 interpreted widely by the fandom that Scalen and Euclid are 4611 03:39:16.559 --> 03:39:20.319 the names of Bill's parents, of his mom and dad. 4612 03:39:21.399 --> 03:39:23.520 But you know, scaling and Euclid, for those of you 4613 03:39:23.559 --> 03:39:26.399 who might not know, are terms from geometry. And you 4614 03:39:26.440 --> 03:39:29.200 know you're going to see a lot of terminology about 4615 03:39:29.239 --> 03:39:32.559 geometry when we talk about like Bill's dimension, at least 4616 03:39:32.559 --> 03:39:35.280 in the fan theory and speculation circles. 4617 03:39:35.520 --> 03:39:38.000 I love the idea that one of Bill's parents is 4618 03:39:38.079 --> 03:39:39.559 named Euclid of Euclid. 4619 03:39:40.000 --> 03:39:44.440 Yes, I mean, you know, people name their kids after 4620 03:39:44.520 --> 03:39:47.639 locations all the time, Like I know people named Brooklyn. 4621 03:39:48.520 --> 03:39:52.760 That's true, you know, from Brooklyn I'm more thinking about, like, 4622 03:39:52.799 --> 03:39:55.680 how did if these are the common names, how did 4623 03:39:55.719 --> 03:39:56.520 they land on Bill? 4624 03:39:57.319 --> 03:40:02.000 Yeah, that's what kills me, uncon child, that's true, he 4625 03:40:02.040 --> 03:40:03.559 has an upward facing. 4626 03:40:03.239 --> 03:40:08.360 I sure in Euclidia, William is like naming your kid 4627 03:40:08.719 --> 03:40:11.440 Zeppo or whatever, Like that's that weird celebrity name. 4628 03:40:11.639 --> 03:40:14.520 Yeah, moon Unit, Yeah. 4629 03:40:14.159 --> 03:40:16.799 Like William really, well, we call him Bill for sure. 4630 03:40:16.879 --> 03:40:18.280 Yeah, okay, keep away from me. 4631 03:40:18.600 --> 03:40:21.719 It's like, but it's spelled like a g in there, 4632 03:40:21.879 --> 03:40:22.120 you know. 4633 03:40:22.399 --> 03:40:25.319 Yeah, it's michaela with a bunch of g's and h's, 4634 03:40:25.760 --> 03:40:27.239 lomanzolo ron. 4635 03:40:27.200 --> 03:40:32.680 Jelo, Yes, shytheed. Do we have to censor shythied? 4636 03:40:33.319 --> 03:40:36.680 If I hear one more silly ass name, this entire 4637 03:40:36.799 --> 03:40:39.319 dimension is going to feel. 4638 03:40:39.399 --> 03:40:43.040 My Rath, Salien and Euclid are kind of like the 4639 03:40:43.120 --> 03:40:47.000 hippies of Euclidia, which is why Bill grew up so 4640 03:40:47.200 --> 03:40:51.520 open minded to the conspiratorial idea of a third dimension. 4641 03:40:52.319 --> 03:40:56.760 Right, Yeah, absolutely, they didn't stile their bouncing baby boy. 4642 03:40:57.200 --> 03:41:01.319 We'll call him William William Mischief Cipher. 4643 03:41:01.799 --> 03:41:04.639 Yes, yeah, I wonder is that is it a family name, 4644 03:41:04.840 --> 03:41:06.120 Cipher or well? 4645 03:41:06.120 --> 03:41:09.319 He did also say it's a dimensional user name in 4646 03:41:09.360 --> 03:41:11.239 the a m A. So maybe he has just a 4647 03:41:11.319 --> 03:41:15.520 normal triangle name in Euclidia and and this is like 4648 03:41:15.520 --> 03:41:17.000 like that's his name. 4649 03:41:18.520 --> 03:41:22.760 Maybe silly Billy though kind of or baby Billy. 4650 03:41:23.760 --> 03:41:27.680 He was baby Billy La La la la haw. 4651 03:41:27.799 --> 03:41:28.959 Know you want to read this next one? 4652 03:41:29.319 --> 03:41:33.719 Yes, absolutely so alert from time Baby. On this page 4653 03:41:33.799 --> 03:41:36.559 we see a mass alert going out from time Baby 4654 03:41:36.600 --> 03:41:39.879 to the rest of his people who follow him, basically 4655 03:41:39.920 --> 03:41:43.799 saying watch out for this rogue rapscallion. It has a 4656 03:41:43.840 --> 03:41:45.639 picture of Bill Cipher's. 4657 03:41:45.159 --> 03:41:48.040 Mugshot very much in the vein of the Barbie and 4658 03:41:48.120 --> 03:41:50.479 Can meme from the Barbie movie. 4659 03:41:51.319 --> 03:41:56.000 Yeah, Baby, it really does look like I do love 4660 03:41:56.079 --> 03:41:58.680 the side view of Bill and he just looks like 4661 03:41:58.719 --> 03:41:59.200 a line. 4662 03:41:59.520 --> 03:42:03.159 Yes, but again he's got the kind of like he 4663 03:42:03.280 --> 03:42:06.559 has the eye though is three D, which sort of 4664 03:42:06.600 --> 03:42:08.040 hearkens to his origin. 4665 03:42:08.840 --> 03:42:10.920 Yeah, of having that special eye. 4666 03:42:11.159 --> 03:42:11.680 Yeah. 4667 03:42:11.719 --> 03:42:14.959 I do love that the words criminal, cidistic, yellow, and 4668 03:42:15.000 --> 03:42:18.280 guilty were re arranged to say I'm a silly guy, 4669 03:42:18.680 --> 03:42:22.840 which is very funny. But the code itself on the 4670 03:42:22.879 --> 03:42:26.079 side of the page says in the room Cipher loan 4671 03:42:26.239 --> 03:42:28.639 survivor of the Euclidian massacre. 4672 03:42:29.239 --> 03:42:31.079 I don't know who could have done that, but I'm 4673 03:42:31.079 --> 03:42:32.040 glad I survive. 4674 03:42:34.680 --> 03:42:37.879 Yeah, this does hearken on the page where he talks 4675 03:42:37.920 --> 03:42:40.799 about his early years, and he has this like scrambled 4676 03:42:40.879 --> 03:42:44.760 up message about what happened when he quote put on 4677 03:42:44.879 --> 03:42:46.280 a show for his family. 4678 03:42:46.639 --> 03:42:46.840 Yeah. 4679 03:42:46.879 --> 03:42:48.760 Well, he essentially says on that page, if there was 4680 03:42:48.799 --> 03:42:49.680 no enough but him. 4681 03:42:49.799 --> 03:42:54.840 On the Shaman page again, in the therapism cipher, he writes, which. 4682 03:42:54.559 --> 03:43:00.079 Hench Maniac rited me out, which I believe is implying 4683 03:43:00.120 --> 03:43:03.639 it Jessel Brahm, Yes, the oracle. Yes, yeah, I also 4684 03:43:03.680 --> 03:43:06.639 knows the oracle that she was scribbled out of the 4685 03:43:06.760 --> 03:43:11.760 hench Maniacs bios page, implying she was once part of 4686 03:43:11.760 --> 03:43:14.799 the group. But then obviously we see her in Journal 4687 03:43:14.840 --> 03:43:18.239 three and she is against Bill, So this might have 4688 03:43:18.360 --> 03:43:23.000 been a moment where she informed the Shaman that Bill 4689 03:43:23.319 --> 03:43:27.520 was deceiving him, and then the shaman established the zodiac 4690 03:43:27.719 --> 03:43:28.120 through that. 4691 03:43:28.239 --> 03:43:30.040 When you go to the page where her face is 4692 03:43:30.079 --> 03:43:33.239 scribbled out, there's also a message scribbled out, but fans 4693 03:43:33.319 --> 03:43:36.120 have kind of put together. The message next to her 4694 03:43:36.200 --> 03:43:41.239 name says the smartest one figured out horizontal dimensional portals, 4695 03:43:41.600 --> 03:43:45.159 Way too smart? Who needs her? Too many eyes? Anyways, 4696 03:43:45.440 --> 03:43:47.399 and I just love that amazing. 4697 03:43:48.639 --> 03:43:51.600 That's like, it's not quite a cipher, but it's just 4698 03:43:51.639 --> 03:43:55.520 seeing fast as scribbles. It's kind of a cipher. Well, Shelby, 4699 03:43:55.559 --> 03:43:58.440 you should probably yeah, Shelby should talk about this one. 4700 03:43:58.280 --> 03:44:01.040 All right. So on the witch Crow page, there's a 4701 03:44:01.159 --> 03:44:04.040 Rune cipher that translates to curse Wittabane. 4702 03:44:04.079 --> 03:44:05.280 But what does that mean? 4703 03:44:05.680 --> 03:44:10.600 As your local owl House expert. In the owl House universe, 4704 03:44:11.239 --> 03:44:14.760 Philip and Caleb Whittebane are the two brothers who found 4705 03:44:14.840 --> 03:44:20.079 the portal between the human world and the world of 4706 03:44:20.120 --> 03:44:25.200 the Titans. So, according to TV tropes Wild Masse Guessing, 4707 03:44:26.399 --> 03:44:30.719 since Bill was fostering witchcraft among the Puritans in colonial 4708 03:44:30.799 --> 03:44:34.399 New England, and since Caleb and Philip Whittebane were witch 4709 03:44:34.479 --> 03:44:38.319 hunters in colonial New England, it's very probable that one 4710 03:44:38.360 --> 03:44:41.600 of the Wittabane brothers, most likely Philip, came into Bill's 4711 03:44:41.639 --> 03:44:44.319 purview while hunting witches that Bill had empowered. 4712 03:44:44.399 --> 03:44:46.280 I just want to say real quick if I'm following. 4713 03:44:46.520 --> 03:44:49.680 So on the there's a whole history. 4714 03:44:49.399 --> 03:44:52.360 Section in the book that talks about before Ford, the 4715 03:44:52.399 --> 03:44:56.079 people who Bill had try to build a portal for him. 4716 03:44:56.079 --> 03:44:59.879 But the interesting thing about the Witchcraft page is Bill 4717 03:45:01.399 --> 03:45:04.399 Ford of the day for du jour At that point, 4718 03:45:04.799 --> 03:45:07.760 Mary Dower Thatch, we don't. It's the only one. We 4719 03:45:07.799 --> 03:45:10.559 don't read about the falling out. We don't know how 4720 03:45:10.600 --> 03:45:13.920 far she got into making a portal. It just ends 4721 03:45:13.959 --> 03:45:16.000 with you know, she likes Bill and we hear no 4722 03:45:16.120 --> 03:45:16.719 more about her. 4723 03:45:16.799 --> 03:45:17.799 She likes Vinegar Peeves. 4724 03:45:17.920 --> 03:45:21.079 Yes, but what you're saying is it is in the 4725 03:45:21.159 --> 03:45:25.760 same location and time period, and there is a character 4726 03:45:25.840 --> 03:45:29.799 present that discovered a portal, which is kind of insane, 4727 03:45:29.840 --> 03:45:32.399 and you would understand the implications about that more than 4728 03:45:32.440 --> 03:45:33.200 I would well. 4729 03:45:33.239 --> 03:45:36.600 As the first documented the collector cosplayer. 4730 03:45:36.120 --> 03:45:39.399 Yes, I was the first collector cosplayer. I'm actually I'm 4731 03:45:39.440 --> 03:45:41.959 also one of the foremost Witebane experts. 4732 03:45:42.079 --> 03:45:45.600 I have a fantastic Witebane comic dub compilation on your YouTube. 4733 03:45:45.879 --> 03:45:48.719 You are to wit Abane what I am to Stanford Fines, 4734 03:45:49.200 --> 03:45:49.680 very true. 4735 03:45:49.799 --> 03:45:53.840 The foremost expert is probably Magpie, who does the Witta 4736 03:45:53.920 --> 03:45:56.799 ban like. He's in the process of animating all of 4737 03:45:56.799 --> 03:46:00.440 the portraits from Hollow Mine. Oh so in the owl 4738 03:46:00.520 --> 03:46:03.719 House there is in Hollow Mind there are all of 4739 03:46:03.760 --> 03:46:07.680 these pictures in the background which are Philip Whittebane's life, 4740 03:46:07.760 --> 03:46:11.200 that's Emperor Bellos's life. Spoilers if you haven't seen it, Sorry, 4741 03:46:11.680 --> 03:46:15.280 this is not an owl House spoiler free podcast. What 4742 03:46:15.879 --> 03:46:19.239 but Within? So the only thing that we knew about 4743 03:46:19.319 --> 03:46:24.600 the Widobanes prior to season three really was these pictures 4744 03:46:24.639 --> 03:46:29.799 in Belos's mind and the episode where Loose meets Philip 4745 03:46:29.799 --> 03:46:32.520 Whittebine who wrote the journal that she is going through. 4746 03:46:33.079 --> 03:46:37.040 So everything with speculation up until I want to say 4747 03:46:37.200 --> 03:46:41.360 thanks to thanks to them. Yeah, there are two brothers 4748 03:46:41.399 --> 03:46:44.079 who lived in New England who were led over to 4749 03:46:44.239 --> 03:46:47.719 the Boiling Aisles by a witch. But the two boys 4750 03:46:47.719 --> 03:46:52.280 were orphaned. So my theory is that the wit a 4751 03:46:52.360 --> 03:46:57.239 Bane that Bill is cursing was essentially the mother of 4752 03:46:57.440 --> 03:47:00.520 the Witdobane brothers, not one of the brothers. 4753 03:47:00.680 --> 03:47:04.040 That Mary Dower Thatch was the mom, because she did 4754 03:47:04.079 --> 03:47:07.040 say she had been like gathering other women to kind 4755 03:47:07.040 --> 03:47:10.239 of listen to these yes, empowering ideas, the ideas. 4756 03:47:10.200 --> 03:47:14.280 Yes, and the boys are orphaned, and it may it's 4757 03:47:14.360 --> 03:47:19.520 implied that their parents were convicted of witchcraft and that's 4758 03:47:19.600 --> 03:47:22.760 why they're orphaned. And so Caleb was old enough to 4759 03:47:22.840 --> 03:47:25.399 know that joining in the witch hunts was the safest 4760 03:47:25.440 --> 03:47:28.239 way to keep them safe once they moved from their 4761 03:47:28.319 --> 03:47:32.280 original village to a later village. But Philip was young 4762 03:47:32.399 --> 03:47:35.280 enough to buy into the nonsense, which is why he 4763 03:47:35.399 --> 03:47:38.079 is so bad in the Owl House. 4764 03:47:38.639 --> 03:47:39.959 I absolutely love that. 4765 03:47:40.399 --> 03:47:43.719 So, but also you're saying that the portal that Mary 4766 03:47:43.799 --> 03:47:48.360 Dower thatch built is how Emperor Bellows got to the 4767 03:47:48.399 --> 03:47:52.159 boiling aisles. So Bill caused the entire plot of owl Houses. 4768 03:47:52.200 --> 03:47:56.559 It is highly possible, but they moved. I'm pretty sure 4769 03:47:56.559 --> 03:47:58.879 that they moved to a different village, so the portal 4770 03:47:59.360 --> 03:48:02.200 is not necessary the same one. But the implications of 4771 03:48:02.239 --> 03:48:07.639 Bill's actions put Philip on the path to becoming the 4772 03:48:07.879 --> 03:48:10.280 like terrible conservative Christian he is. 4773 03:48:11.040 --> 03:48:13.600 Yeah, it's more about impacting the characters. 4774 03:48:13.680 --> 03:48:16.760 So if they ever actually built a portal the Witch. 4775 03:48:16.719 --> 03:48:17.399 Well, we don't know. 4776 03:48:17.479 --> 03:48:17.959 We don't know. 4777 03:48:18.040 --> 03:48:20.440 We did not get far enough in Mary Dower Thatchy's 4778 03:48:20.440 --> 03:48:23.200 story to know how trying to build a portal went. 4779 03:48:23.360 --> 03:48:25.680 And yeah, it almost seems like that's intentional. 4780 03:48:26.479 --> 03:48:28.840 Actually, what I will say about that is something that 4781 03:48:28.840 --> 03:48:32.040 I find really funny. So Bill has in all of 4782 03:48:32.079 --> 03:48:35.120 the men's lives that he's interacted, he has tried to 4783 03:48:35.200 --> 03:48:38.680 manipulate them. He's tried to like ruined our lives functionally 4784 03:48:38.719 --> 03:48:40.840 so that he can get a portal and come into 4785 03:48:40.920 --> 03:48:44.040 our world. Whereas, at least the way he writes it, 4786 03:48:44.079 --> 03:48:47.680 when he interacts with these Puritans, he essentially walked into 4787 03:48:47.719 --> 03:48:51.639 their lives and when you live like this and basically 4788 03:48:51.719 --> 03:48:56.559 empowered them, like it's the equivalent of a Burger going 4789 03:48:56.600 --> 03:48:58.879 into your home to steal your TV and seeing that 4790 03:48:58.959 --> 03:49:01.319 you not only have no tea, but you have no furniture, 4791 03:49:01.680 --> 03:49:04.879 and then goes, ah, man, I can't rob you. So 4792 03:49:05.000 --> 03:49:08.840 I'm actually not even convinced that he made Mary dawerth 4793 03:49:08.920 --> 03:49:11.760 that should make him a portal. Okay, it looks, at 4794 03:49:11.879 --> 03:49:14.280 least going by this page. 4795 03:49:14.399 --> 03:49:15.920 He taught her about feminism. 4796 03:49:18.079 --> 03:49:21.760 Well, yeah, he wanted to inject some chaos and liberation 4797 03:49:21.879 --> 03:49:25.200 into the lives of repressed people, which you know he 4798 03:49:25.239 --> 03:49:28.399 would view that kind of puritanical repression as like the 4799 03:49:28.479 --> 03:49:30.159 most repugnant thing. 4800 03:49:30.440 --> 03:49:32.040 Because it's the opposite of chaos. 4801 03:49:32.200 --> 03:49:32.719 Exactly. 4802 03:49:32.840 --> 03:49:35.399 Yeah, it's likely they didn't even get that far. And 4803 03:49:35.440 --> 03:49:41.040 I think that Mary and both Witabine parents were probably together. 4804 03:49:42.399 --> 03:49:42.760 Yeah. 4805 03:49:42.799 --> 03:49:46.959 Absolutely, what he says when he interacts with the women is, Look, 4806 03:49:47.159 --> 03:49:50.959 you know how I feel about human suffering. It is funny, but. 4807 03:49:52.840 --> 03:49:53.319 Some death. 4808 03:49:54.159 --> 03:49:58.399 So he basically gives them some real cult spells. He 4809 03:49:58.440 --> 03:50:01.520 did just kind of like feel bad for them. And 4810 03:50:01.520 --> 03:50:04.000 then what the women essentially did, at least according to 4811 03:50:04.040 --> 03:50:06.920 the letter that's in here, written by Mary dowert Thatch, 4812 03:50:07.479 --> 03:50:12.319 is that they started drinking boxed wine and having a 4813 03:50:12.360 --> 03:50:15.479 book club. And honestly I love that for them. Yes, 4814 03:50:15.639 --> 03:50:16.799 we love feminism. 4815 03:50:18.520 --> 03:50:22.280 Hey like, so did did Bill like invent witches at 4816 03:50:22.360 --> 03:50:23.479 least in the human world? 4817 03:50:24.840 --> 03:50:27.600 No, because they let us say that New England was 4818 03:50:27.639 --> 03:50:29.760 not the first witch trials there were, uh. 4819 03:50:31.399 --> 03:50:34.520 England. But he made it so that there were real witches. 4820 03:50:35.600 --> 03:50:39.760 I mean, if the Owl House and this and gravity 4821 03:50:39.760 --> 03:50:42.799 Falls are connected, parts of the boiling aisles have been 4822 03:50:42.799 --> 03:50:45.600 spilling over for generations for years. 4823 03:50:45.680 --> 03:50:49.040 Oh oh, okay, okay, guys, as well as this hold on, 4824 03:50:49.239 --> 03:50:50.719 if I may say this. 4825 03:50:51.440 --> 03:50:54.639 In Journal three, there is implied cross. 4826 03:50:54.280 --> 03:50:57.680 Continuity with Rick and Morty. In Lost Legends, there is 4827 03:50:57.719 --> 03:51:00.600 implied cross continuity with both Rick and already. 4828 03:51:00.319 --> 03:51:02.399 An owl House and that Book of Bill. 4829 03:51:02.639 --> 03:51:06.040 There is only applied cross continuity with Owl House. And 4830 03:51:06.079 --> 03:51:07.559 that's just a fun progression. 4831 03:51:09.440 --> 03:51:11.719 Yeah, not not for fun reasons. 4832 03:51:11.840 --> 03:51:13.079 No, we we know why. Yeah. 4833 03:51:13.399 --> 03:51:17.000 What I will say though about like these pages, I 4834 03:51:17.159 --> 03:51:19.559 do wish I do, Like I don't have a lot 4835 03:51:19.559 --> 03:51:21.399 of complaints about the Book of Bill, but I do 4836 03:51:21.479 --> 03:51:24.639 wish that there was another woman that Bill interacted with, 4837 03:51:24.680 --> 03:51:26.920 because I would love to see like an eat, like 4838 03:51:27.040 --> 03:51:30.319 a woman scientist that was like fooled by Bill. I 4839 03:51:30.319 --> 03:51:33.079 think it would be so cool. Uh, the only woman 4840 03:51:33.120 --> 03:51:34.000 that he interacts with. 4841 03:51:34.239 --> 03:51:38.799 Come on, give Thurbert Wagstaff a few years to discover estrogen. 4842 03:51:40.280 --> 03:51:45.440 Exactly exactly who learned a lot about themselves in the multiverse. 4843 03:51:45.680 --> 03:51:48.280 Yeah, oh well you were going to say about that 4844 03:51:48.360 --> 03:51:52.559 this is the first like full on acknowledgment of the 4845 03:51:52.559 --> 03:51:56.440 owl House universe in something that is indisputably cannoned. 4846 03:51:56.520 --> 03:51:58.959 Yeah, we were talking about this earlier because you know, 4847 03:51:59.079 --> 03:52:03.120 I wanted postera in the crawl space in face it 4848 03:52:03.200 --> 03:52:06.360 the first story in Lost Legends that could just be 4849 03:52:06.440 --> 03:52:09.959 they felt like drawing Eta like it doesn't necessarily imply anything. 4850 03:52:10.319 --> 03:52:14.319 And Stan does go into detail about his ex wife 4851 03:52:14.760 --> 03:52:20.600 in a hidden DVD commentary and is definitely describing Ida, 4852 03:52:21.120 --> 03:52:24.440 but that is also a DVD commentary of an already 4853 03:52:24.479 --> 03:52:29.799 existing episode. It is not necessarily new, objectively canon gravity 4854 03:52:29.799 --> 03:52:33.360 Falls material. It might be canon, but it is part 4855 03:52:33.479 --> 03:52:34.879 of an existing episode. 4856 03:52:35.239 --> 03:52:37.760 You can also make the argument that it's not if 4857 03:52:37.760 --> 03:52:39.959 you wanted to, but this you really can't. 4858 03:52:40.319 --> 03:52:44.040 But there is also like in the Owl House Itda 4859 03:52:44.239 --> 03:52:46.440 she says that when she goes into the human realm, 4860 03:52:46.680 --> 03:52:48.360 she goes under the name Marylyn. 4861 03:52:48.920 --> 03:52:51.959 So that is the first implication of the cross continuity 4862 03:52:52.000 --> 03:52:54.440 being canon in Owl House. But this is kind of 4863 03:52:54.680 --> 03:52:59.440 the first implication in an official standalone Gravity Falls work 4864 03:53:00.239 --> 03:53:04.120 characters from the Owlhouse existing in the gravity Falls universe, well. 4865 03:53:04.079 --> 03:53:06.840 Certainly characters other than Da as well. I think is important. 4866 03:53:07.200 --> 03:53:09.360 Sure that is true, because yeah, we only have gotten 4867 03:53:09.360 --> 03:53:13.079 implications of Ida from Lost Legends in the commentary, and. 4868 03:53:13.079 --> 03:53:15.959 I think that like the fact that they're choosing the 4869 03:53:15.959 --> 03:53:19.079 wind A Banes as part of that lore when we 4870 03:53:19.159 --> 03:53:22.440 had to guess so much of the Widow Bane lore 4871 03:53:22.559 --> 03:53:26.280 prior to season three, is like a really cool way. 4872 03:53:26.159 --> 03:53:28.120 To stay right. That's like a huge puzzle piece for 4873 03:53:28.200 --> 03:53:31.159 the Owl House fans just casually dropped it in a 4874 03:53:31.559 --> 03:53:33.040 Gravity Falls But yeah. 4875 03:53:32.879 --> 03:53:35.239 It's like, why was there a portal there? Well, maybe 4876 03:53:35.239 --> 03:53:37.479 someone was going around that area at the time, trying 4877 03:53:37.479 --> 03:53:38.959 to get people to build portals. 4878 03:53:39.479 --> 03:53:42.079 Yes, do you want to build a portal? 4879 03:53:43.840 --> 03:53:45.440 Well, I need to make that video now. 4880 03:53:45.840 --> 03:53:47.520 Yeah, I think it's got to be. It's gotta be 4881 03:53:47.520 --> 03:53:49.639 Bill going around knocking on everybody's. 4882 03:53:49.159 --> 03:53:52.040 Door, and each verse is a different one of these characters. 4883 03:53:52.399 --> 03:53:52.680 Yeah. 4884 03:53:52.760 --> 03:53:55.959 Yeah, let me tell you, I've definitely seen a comic 4885 03:53:56.000 --> 03:53:59.079 floating around of love is an open door with Ford 4886 03:53:59.159 --> 03:53:59.600 and Bill. 4887 03:54:01.319 --> 03:54:04.520 Yes, oh, sixer, if only there was someone out there 4888 03:54:04.559 --> 03:54:05.959 who loved you. 4889 03:54:06.000 --> 03:54:10.360 Oh no, it would be great to do that, because 4890 03:54:11.159 --> 03:54:14.840 just about every Disney show has a secret portal in 4891 03:54:14.920 --> 03:54:18.959 it at this point, basically like including duct tails and 4892 03:54:19.120 --> 03:54:21.840 like like they all got portals. 4893 03:54:21.440 --> 03:54:22.559 Like the other dimension. 4894 03:54:22.559 --> 03:54:22.719 Hat. 4895 03:54:24.040 --> 03:54:27.319 So now we're getting into the Lost Journal three pages 4896 03:54:27.360 --> 03:54:31.120 that Stanford wrote. So on the Lost in the Woods page, 4897 03:54:31.319 --> 03:54:33.600 when referring to the there's a waitress at the diner 4898 03:54:33.680 --> 03:54:36.280 that Ford is talking to and not really making much 4899 03:54:36.319 --> 03:54:39.799 of a connection with in the author's symbol cipher, he 4900 03:54:39.920 --> 03:54:44.760 writes Stanley could have made her laugh, which is so sad, 4901 03:54:45.239 --> 03:54:45.879 so sad. 4902 03:54:46.079 --> 03:54:50.920 I have so many feelings about this, y'all. I please 4903 03:54:50.959 --> 03:54:53.840 stop me for ranting, but I'm gonna start ranting, no, 4904 03:54:54.479 --> 03:54:59.520 I go for it, Ran. You know, like we get 4905 03:54:59.559 --> 03:55:03.520 a lot about how Stan felt this like intense insecurity, 4906 03:55:03.639 --> 03:55:06.600 and this like the feeling is self conscious about not 4907 03:55:06.840 --> 03:55:10.120 making it to the level that Ford is, at least academically. 4908 03:55:10.319 --> 03:55:12.760 We get so much evidence that like Ford, at least 4909 03:55:12.760 --> 03:55:15.719 by his teachers at least in the context of schoolwork, 4910 03:55:16.000 --> 03:55:19.239 got to get all these accolades and got all this recognition, 4911 03:55:19.440 --> 03:55:23.600 and Stan felt insecure. Right, We don't get as much 4912 03:55:23.719 --> 03:55:26.760 or at least Ford doesn't as emit as much in 4913 03:55:26.799 --> 03:55:28.920 the pages of Journal three that we got in you know, 4914 03:55:29.000 --> 03:55:32.000 the original Journal three or in the series itself, because 4915 03:55:32.280 --> 03:55:35.520 Ford is such a proud man. Ford doesn't like to 4916 03:55:35.600 --> 03:55:39.000 talk about his falls. So seeing this in the context 4917 03:55:39.000 --> 03:55:42.520 of a page that was you know, hypothetically ripped out 4918 03:55:42.520 --> 03:55:45.200 of Journal three at some point, Yeah, a page where 4919 03:55:45.200 --> 03:55:47.000 he specifically says. 4920 03:55:46.719 --> 03:55:50.799 Like about how he struggles to socially connect with people, Yeah, exactly. 4921 03:55:50.959 --> 03:55:53.399 It's also I guess that we don't we don't see 4922 03:55:53.440 --> 03:55:55.559 him in this element in the series. We don't see 4923 03:55:55.600 --> 03:55:58.520 him in the real world. In the show itself, we 4924 03:55:58.559 --> 03:56:01.799 see him like in the lab missions when he. 4925 03:56:01.840 --> 03:56:05.040 Comes out of the portal, he is a badass. And 4926 03:56:05.120 --> 03:56:08.440 also he doesn't need to interact with other people because 4927 03:56:08.440 --> 03:56:10.600 he's living in the basement and he's trying to figure 4928 03:56:10.639 --> 03:56:13.200 out the rift and YadA YadA YadA. 4929 03:56:12.799 --> 03:56:16.120 And on official government documents, he only exists once. True, 4930 03:56:17.239 --> 03:56:19.479 there's already a Stanford going around in town. 4931 03:56:20.000 --> 03:56:22.239 But if we had like a Slice of Life episode 4932 03:56:22.280 --> 03:56:26.000 with Stanford, we'd see all the kind of deficit that. 4933 03:56:25.959 --> 03:56:28.760 He has socially, Yeah. 4934 03:56:28.360 --> 03:56:31.159 In pretty much every other arena of life other than 4935 03:56:31.280 --> 03:56:34.440 other than the particular niche that he is an expert in. 4936 03:56:34.600 --> 03:56:36.280 Yeah, you know, I talk a lot about this in 4937 03:56:36.280 --> 03:56:39.239 my Hotel to Stands video. But I tell too, Stands 4938 03:56:39.280 --> 03:56:41.159 is so break neck pace that we don't get a 4939 03:56:41.159 --> 03:56:43.639 lot of small, characterized nation moments where we just get 4940 03:56:43.680 --> 03:56:46.000 to know the characters because we only have thirty minutes, 4941 03:56:46.040 --> 03:56:47.879 chop chop. We got to move on. We got to 4942 03:56:47.920 --> 03:56:49.920 talk about what's happening next, because we need to fit 4943 03:56:49.959 --> 03:56:52.920 the life stories of two sixty plus year old men 4944 03:56:53.040 --> 03:56:55.760 into this episode. But this is one of those. 4945 03:56:55.639 --> 03:56:57.760 Quiet person But you said sexy, and I was like, 4946 03:56:57.799 --> 03:57:00.840 you're right, but I mean, you're true, but six year 4947 03:57:00.879 --> 03:57:01.520 old I was. 4948 03:57:01.479 --> 03:57:03.799 Just gonna say this moment of Ford just kind of 4949 03:57:03.840 --> 03:57:07.840 sitting in the cafe feeling awkward and feeling bad about 4950 03:57:07.879 --> 03:57:09.879 not being able to like really make a connection with 4951 03:57:09.959 --> 03:57:13.360 other people, and writing even in code, not even in 4952 03:57:13.399 --> 03:57:14.799 a way where other people could read it. 4953 03:57:14.959 --> 03:57:16.040 Yeah, not only on. 4954 03:57:16.079 --> 03:57:18.200 The bottom of this page. Doesn't say Stanley could have 4955 03:57:18.280 --> 03:57:20.719 made her laugh, but at the top of the page 4956 03:57:20.760 --> 03:57:24.879 he writes in code six fingered freak he feels this 4957 03:57:25.120 --> 03:57:27.239 and it just like it breaks my heart. 4958 03:57:27.879 --> 03:57:28.079 Yep. 4959 03:57:28.239 --> 03:57:30.559 Well, I think that, like Taylor two stance shows us 4960 03:57:30.600 --> 03:57:34.079 pretty clearly that Ford is an introvert and stan is 4961 03:57:34.120 --> 03:57:38.319 an extrovert. And I think that, like when they were together, 4962 03:57:38.360 --> 03:57:42.000 they could sort of complete each other, but separate they 4963 03:57:42.040 --> 03:57:45.920 have their weaknesses, and Ford tends to be pretty narcissistic, 4964 03:57:46.079 --> 03:57:49.879 especially when he's talking about himself in his journals, so 4965 03:57:50.319 --> 03:57:53.200 he would not speak in anything other than code about 4966 03:57:53.200 --> 03:57:54.440 his insecurities, I think. 4967 03:57:54.600 --> 03:57:58.120 But there's like this three second clip of Ford getting 4968 03:57:58.680 --> 03:58:01.120 like turned down by a girl at a school dance 4969 03:58:01.159 --> 03:58:04.959 and then Stanley instantly knows how to cheer him up, 4970 03:58:05.120 --> 03:58:09.479 like he get like, Ford gets yes yeah, and then 4971 03:58:09.520 --> 03:58:11.200 Stanley comes over splashes himself. 4972 03:58:11.239 --> 03:58:13.879 There is a tweet by Alex Hirsch, where he did 4973 03:58:13.920 --> 03:58:16.200 say that the thing that Ford said to make that 4974 03:58:16.200 --> 03:58:18.879 girl throw punch on him is a pickup line that 4975 03:58:18.920 --> 03:58:21.319 he got from stan which is kind of funny. 4976 03:58:21.719 --> 03:58:24.760 That's funny. He doesn't have the delivery that Stan does. 4977 03:58:25.120 --> 03:58:27.840 Yeah, and she just kind of looks like, what did 4978 03:58:27.840 --> 03:58:30.399 you just say? And then throws punch. 4979 03:58:30.120 --> 03:58:34.559 On was like and then her her aim improved. 4980 03:58:38.520 --> 03:58:40.600 So, according to Stanley, the most important thing about comedy 4981 03:58:40.680 --> 03:58:42.600 is timing yes exactly. 4982 03:58:43.040 --> 03:58:47.319 On the my music be page, in a Therapism cipher, 4983 03:58:48.079 --> 03:58:51.200 we get a description of a tattoo that Bill tries 4984 03:58:51.280 --> 03:58:54.239 to convince Ford to get that he says he's not 4985 03:58:54.399 --> 03:58:58.399 quite sure of Bill apparently, according to Ford, told him 4986 03:58:58.399 --> 03:59:02.639 that the tattoo means why. However, if you translate it, 4987 03:59:02.639 --> 03:59:07.559 it says in the therapism cipher, if lost, return to Bill, 4988 03:59:08.000 --> 03:59:12.879 which is hot one funny, but two knowing that Ford 4989 03:59:13.000 --> 03:59:15.600 does get stuck in the multi verse and does have 4990 03:59:15.760 --> 03:59:20.000 wanted posters with Bill trying to find him is pretty 4991 03:59:20.040 --> 03:59:21.639 good planning on Bill's part. 4992 03:59:21.840 --> 03:59:23.680 It's also really hot. 4993 03:59:25.840 --> 03:59:29.280 It is yeah, there's Is this a good time to 4994 03:59:29.360 --> 03:59:32.479 talk about their relationship or are we are we? Are 4995 03:59:32.479 --> 03:59:35.319 we glossing over that for the Haull go for it. 4996 03:59:35.600 --> 03:59:38.719 It's very apparent about all of these journal three pages 4997 03:59:39.000 --> 03:59:43.600 that Ford and Bill have this very like I'm not 4998 03:59:43.639 --> 03:59:46.639 gonna specifically say romance because it could be interpreted in 4999 03:59:46.639 --> 03:59:50.079 a million different ways, but at least romance coded or 5000 03:59:50.239 --> 03:59:52.879 using language similar to romantic language. 5001 03:59:52.959 --> 03:59:55.920 I mean, it's the closest, it's the only close relationship 5002 03:59:56.000 --> 04:00:01.000 with someone he's not related to, that exactly exactly. 5003 04:00:00.360 --> 04:00:03.079 On the pages written by the rest of Fort's family. 5004 04:00:03.520 --> 04:00:06.200 That is the only way Mabel knows how to interpret it. 5005 04:00:06.319 --> 04:00:08.920 She's like, Okay, so you can't get over your breakup. 5006 04:00:08.680 --> 04:00:11.319 So you're like a needy x quote unquote. 5007 04:00:12.040 --> 04:00:15.239 Yeah, if there is more complexity here to how to 5008 04:00:15.319 --> 04:00:20.280 define it, it is not overt or understandable enough to 5009 04:00:20.360 --> 04:00:23.879 anyone else that calling it anything but a romance is 5010 04:00:23.959 --> 04:00:26.200 useful according to Mabel, who's always correct. 5011 04:00:28.200 --> 04:00:32.360 Yeah, and granted, you know Mabel interprets. Mabel obviously romanticizes 5012 04:00:32.520 --> 04:00:35.799 a lot of stuff, but also, you know, a twelve 5013 04:00:35.879 --> 04:00:38.639 year old understands what's going on well. 5014 04:00:38.680 --> 04:00:40.840 I mean, and I'll also say that I personally have 5015 04:00:40.920 --> 04:00:45.200 had friendship breakups that have essentially been a relationship breakup, 5016 04:00:45.520 --> 04:00:48.280 So you don't have to read the romance into it, 5017 04:00:48.360 --> 04:00:50.280 but it's more fun Chip. 5018 04:00:51.120 --> 04:00:55.280 Yes, regardless of whether it's romantic or platonic or just 5019 04:00:55.479 --> 04:01:00.920 devotional muse and you know, muse e relation coding that 5020 04:01:00.920 --> 04:01:04.799 we're looking at here. It was absolutely this very toxic, 5021 04:01:04.959 --> 04:01:09.159 very abusive dynamic. When they do quote unquote break up. 5022 04:01:09.879 --> 04:01:12.600 You know, we have Bill saying things to Forward in 5023 04:01:12.600 --> 04:01:17.280 the following pages, things like you're my property, don't forget it. Yeah, 5024 04:01:17.520 --> 04:01:20.879 like you're nothing without me, things like admit it, you 5025 04:01:21.120 --> 04:01:25.120 love this, And it's so so like I mean, it 5026 04:01:25.200 --> 04:01:28.559 is black and white. It is incredibly clear that that 5027 04:01:28.680 --> 04:01:29.840 is what they are going for. 5028 04:01:30.479 --> 04:01:30.799 Yeah. 5029 04:01:30.959 --> 04:01:34.520 Yeah, it's a textbook abusive relationship. 5030 04:01:34.719 --> 04:01:37.200 Well, I mean talk about it. 5031 04:01:37.200 --> 04:01:41.879 It is literally a textbook abusive relationship. Well, I have 5032 04:01:41.920 --> 04:01:45.799 a friend who actually was in an abusive marriage and 5033 04:01:45.920 --> 04:01:50.200 he read book of Bill recently and was so vindicated 5034 04:01:50.719 --> 04:01:54.600 by the pages by Ford's family laughing and saying, don't 5035 04:01:54.639 --> 04:01:58.040 fall for this. This is ridiculous, and so vindicated by 5036 04:01:58.079 --> 04:01:59.920 the punishment of eternal therapy. 5037 04:02:00.319 --> 04:02:02.760 Yes, as well as you know, you talk a lot. 5038 04:02:02.680 --> 04:02:05.680 In your videos about and in the one that I 5039 04:02:05.760 --> 04:02:10.920 was in about how this abusive controlling figure is how 5040 04:02:10.959 --> 04:02:13.879 Ford was interpreted by a lot of a fandom. The fandom, 5041 04:02:13.920 --> 04:02:17.879 but here we see a lot of those shortcomings were 5042 04:02:17.959 --> 04:02:20.559 enhanced by being on the receiving side of that, not 5043 04:02:20.760 --> 04:02:22.840 on being on the giving side of that. 5044 04:02:23.440 --> 04:02:25.840 Yeah, you know, I as someone who is active in 5045 04:02:25.879 --> 04:02:28.600 a fandom. In twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, there was a 5046 04:02:28.600 --> 04:02:31.520 big surge of people who were very angry at Ford, 5047 04:02:31.520 --> 04:02:33.159 and I was one of the people who was always 5048 04:02:33.239 --> 04:02:36.040 defending him, and I still will to this day. He 5049 04:02:36.239 --> 04:02:38.719 is and I say this all the time, my baby girl. 5050 04:02:39.079 --> 04:02:43.000 But the thing about Ford is that I knew back then, 5051 04:02:43.159 --> 04:02:46.079 even if it wasn't said as explicitly as it is here, 5052 04:02:46.479 --> 04:02:49.959 that it felt like this was kind of what someone 5053 04:02:50.000 --> 04:02:52.680 would act like if they were in an abusive dynamic. 5054 04:02:52.799 --> 04:02:55.520 And as someone who is myself a victim or you know, 5055 04:02:55.920 --> 04:02:59.000 I was once a victim of an abusive relationship that 5056 04:02:59.040 --> 04:03:02.000 I got out of, it was really validating and very 5057 04:03:02.120 --> 04:03:05.360 vindicating to see this because I kind of look back 5058 04:03:05.399 --> 04:03:06.959 at a lot of the old arguments and a lot 5059 04:03:06.959 --> 04:03:09.440 of the ways people were talking about him was as 5060 04:03:09.520 --> 04:03:14.639 though he was acting maliciously or purposefully cruel, and that's 5061 04:03:14.760 --> 04:03:18.639 just not something that's backed up by this book years later, 5062 04:03:18.680 --> 04:03:21.120 in the Book of Bill, and get this evidence that 5063 04:03:21.360 --> 04:03:26.639 Bill really really tormented Board. Of course he's not going 5064 04:03:26.719 --> 04:03:31.239 to trust others. Of course he's going to be off playing. 5065 04:03:31.559 --> 04:03:33.280 Like getting bitten by a trapped animal. 5066 04:03:33.520 --> 04:03:34.440 Yes, exactly. 5067 04:03:34.600 --> 04:03:37.639 From the jump. It's like, I'm not really sure why 5068 04:03:37.680 --> 04:03:40.239 people were surprised, because even before we you know, even 5069 04:03:40.280 --> 04:03:42.639 before we tied it to this particular relationship or even 5070 04:03:42.639 --> 04:03:44.799 Bill in general, we know from the jump. We know 5071 04:03:44.879 --> 04:03:48.200 from episode one that whoever wrote this book went mad 5072 04:03:48.520 --> 04:03:51.920 and you know, was driven into this intense paranoia and 5073 04:03:52.440 --> 04:03:55.479 literally wrote in giant letters trust to know what because 5074 04:03:55.479 --> 04:04:00.639 of some mysterious he that he's trying to avoid. Yes, 5075 04:04:01.520 --> 04:04:03.840 that is stuff that we know from episode one. 5076 04:04:05.120 --> 04:04:07.920 You know, people forget that when they see, you know, 5077 04:04:08.079 --> 04:04:11.280 someone punched stand in the face, followed by a thirty 5078 04:04:11.319 --> 04:04:14.920 minute explanation of all Stan's trauma, and so, you know, 5079 04:04:15.239 --> 04:04:18.239 sometimes fandom has short memory. 5080 04:04:18.479 --> 04:04:20.639 It's true. It's yeah, I get that. I get that. 5081 04:04:21.000 --> 04:04:22.840 What have I walked up to you punched you in 5082 04:04:22.879 --> 04:04:26.120 the face, and that spent thirty minutes telling your family. 5083 04:04:27.879 --> 04:04:30.520 I have a joke in my video along the lines 5084 04:04:30.600 --> 04:04:34.120 of you know if on episode one of Torust Trapped, 5085 04:04:34.239 --> 04:04:37.399 you know of Gravity Falls and Tourist Trapped, stan walked 5086 04:04:37.479 --> 04:04:40.040 up to Dipper, punched him in a face, and walked away, 5087 04:04:40.399 --> 04:04:43.239 and then Dipper stood at the carava telling us every 5088 04:04:43.319 --> 04:04:46.920 awful thing that has ever happened to him in his life. Yeah, 5089 04:04:47.159 --> 04:04:50.200 you might feel different about Stanley for the rest of 5090 04:04:50.280 --> 04:04:53.200 the series, and that's kind of what we got. 5091 04:04:53.959 --> 04:04:56.719 Yeah, we wouldn't like stan Well. 5092 04:04:56.760 --> 04:05:00.360 And I'll say that having recorded the first like we've 5093 04:05:00.399 --> 04:05:03.120 done the character work on the first couple pages of 5094 04:05:03.200 --> 04:05:07.440 this for the book of Bill recording that we're working on, 5095 04:05:09.200 --> 04:05:12.200 Ford is definitely in a place where he's falling back 5096 04:05:12.319 --> 04:05:16.559 on the abusive relationship he was in with Bill just 5097 04:05:17.159 --> 04:05:19.719 having this book present in his presence. 5098 04:05:20.000 --> 04:05:23.719 We've been recording the Ford pages and he's like, Hey, 5099 04:05:23.760 --> 04:05:25.639 don't even read a word of this book, And every 5100 04:05:25.639 --> 04:05:27.920 time it comes back he's like, yeah, I know, I've 5101 04:05:27.920 --> 04:05:28.680 been reading it too. 5102 04:05:29.079 --> 04:05:33.639 Yeah, he's very much like falling back into that relationship 5103 04:05:33.799 --> 04:05:34.959 with Bill Well. 5104 04:05:34.959 --> 04:05:37.239 And also the fact that this is how the book 5105 04:05:37.280 --> 04:05:39.600 appears to Ford, that he doesn't appear that way to 5106 04:05:40.079 --> 04:05:40.920 anyone else. 5107 04:05:40.920 --> 04:05:42.920 Right, because we know it appears to sus it's just 5108 04:05:44.040 --> 04:05:44.959 he's ungruvet or. 5109 04:05:45.000 --> 04:05:48.319 All Ford even says in one of the pages where 5110 04:05:48.319 --> 04:05:51.719 he pops back in, he says, I understand the appeal 5111 04:05:51.760 --> 04:05:55.040 of this. Maybe you're like me and you're just attracted 5112 04:05:55.079 --> 04:05:58.840 to the things that hurt you and that broke my heart. 5113 04:05:59.200 --> 04:05:59.600 I guess. 5114 04:06:00.399 --> 04:06:05.760 Yeah, to circle back to the is it romantic question, 5115 04:06:05.840 --> 04:06:07.120 and I'm going to try to phrase this in a 5116 04:06:07.879 --> 04:06:11.440 the way that sounds the least bad. I think the 5117 04:06:11.680 --> 04:06:17.559 closer they get into the more explicitly like abusive language 5118 04:06:17.719 --> 04:06:20.040 of the like you're my property, don't forget it, and 5119 04:06:20.079 --> 04:06:23.520 you're nothing without me, et cetera. Yeah, the more they 5120 04:06:23.559 --> 04:06:27.399 do that, the easier it is. I think to read 5121 04:06:27.520 --> 04:06:31.760 what came before as romantic. Obviously toxic. 5122 04:06:31.840 --> 04:06:35.239 Miss Spears would have some words about this relationship. 5123 04:06:34.879 --> 04:06:37.840 Yes, but I think they lean into it in a 5124 04:06:37.879 --> 04:06:40.879 way that suggests like a level of passion that you 5125 04:06:40.879 --> 04:06:42.000 wouldn't all be. 5126 04:06:42.000 --> 04:06:46.120 Clear in my interpretation, I definitely do think it's romantic. 5127 04:06:46.520 --> 04:06:48.520 I think that I want to leave wiggle room because 5128 04:06:48.520 --> 04:06:50.399 there's a lot of people have different interpretations of it, 5129 04:06:50.479 --> 04:06:52.879 and you know, these characters are meaningful to a lot 5130 04:06:52.879 --> 04:06:53.600 of people. 5131 04:06:53.360 --> 04:06:55.719 And also I've been to wiggle rooms and they're a blast, 5132 04:06:55.799 --> 04:06:56.799 so you should leave those. 5133 04:06:57.360 --> 04:06:59.600 Yeah, yeah, don't get rid of all the wiggle rooms. 5134 04:06:59.639 --> 04:07:02.719 If not romantic, it's at least devotional, you. 5135 04:07:02.680 --> 04:07:04.200 Know, That's what I mean. And I think that the 5136 04:07:04.239 --> 04:07:06.760 more passionate that language gets, even though it's obviously in 5137 04:07:06.799 --> 04:07:10.719 a terrible way, Yeah, the more you're inclined to. And 5138 04:07:10.760 --> 04:07:14.120 it also brings to mind like fusion in Steven Universe, 5139 04:07:14.159 --> 04:07:19.760 where sometimes that's romantic, sometimes that even has adult like connotations, 5140 04:07:20.280 --> 04:07:23.520 but sometimes it's platonic, sometimes it's familial. But when it 5141 04:07:23.600 --> 04:07:28.440 is romantic, and particularly when it's abusive and toxic, there 5142 04:07:28.559 --> 04:07:32.079 is that similar language that he's used very pointedly to 5143 04:07:32.440 --> 04:07:33.239 talk about. 5144 04:07:33.000 --> 04:07:36.079 It, and you should pledge to the Patreon for more 5145 04:07:36.600 --> 04:07:37.639 analysis on that. 5146 04:07:37.719 --> 04:07:40.559 In our new Paywalt series, that's. 5147 04:07:40.360 --> 04:07:42.879 True, although we won't get there for like ten years. 5148 04:07:43.600 --> 04:07:44.920 Yeah, we'll get there in ten years. 5149 04:07:45.040 --> 04:07:47.719 No, two years before lap stuff. 5150 04:07:47.920 --> 04:07:51.559 Yeah. I don't know what side of TikTok you guys 5151 04:07:51.559 --> 04:07:53.879 are on, but there's been a fair amount of discussion 5152 04:07:53.920 --> 04:07:57.079 about a new show called Kevin Kin f Himself that 5153 04:07:57.200 --> 04:07:58.879 I've been CEO. 5154 04:07:58.920 --> 04:08:01.159 Oh yeah, oh yeah, well that's been out for a bit, 5155 04:08:01.600 --> 04:08:04.200 but I think it's on Netflix now. 5156 04:08:04.479 --> 04:08:06.479 Yeah, it's been out for a bit. I have it's 5157 04:08:06.479 --> 04:08:09.319 on my list now that I'm seeing all this discourse. 5158 04:08:09.799 --> 04:08:12.600 But pretty much one of the things I've heard said 5159 04:08:12.639 --> 04:08:17.399 about it recently was they don't reveal Kevin's backstory because 5160 04:08:17.399 --> 04:08:21.079 they don't want to humanize the abuser, because there is 5161 04:08:21.120 --> 04:08:24.399 so much of being in an abusive relationship where you 5162 04:08:24.760 --> 04:08:29.159 justify the actions of the abuser in order to give 5163 04:08:29.200 --> 04:08:31.799 them a pass on things. And so it feels like 5164 04:08:31.879 --> 04:08:34.200 a lot of this book is Bill giving you that 5165 04:08:34.319 --> 04:08:38.559 backstory so that you sympathize with him in his abusive 5166 04:08:38.600 --> 04:08:43.440 relationships and humanize him. But like, he's still an abuser. 5167 04:08:43.479 --> 04:08:46.360 It doesn't matter how terrible his backstory is. 5168 04:08:46.520 --> 04:08:51.120 He follows up this entire section with, oh, obviously I 5169 04:08:51.200 --> 04:08:54.360 was joking. Come on, if you really believe that stuff 5170 04:08:54.360 --> 04:08:56.000 about the I Steeler. 5171 04:08:56.559 --> 04:08:59.399 Experiment, so gas lighting, Yeah. 5172 04:08:59.280 --> 04:09:02.319 No, it's text book abuse. It's so messy. 5173 04:09:02.719 --> 04:09:06.559 Literally, Yeah, I mean I beat this book up and 5174 04:09:06.600 --> 04:09:07.719 that was textbook abuse. 5175 04:09:09.040 --> 04:09:14.159 And finally, the most important hidden code of them all. 5176 04:09:14.280 --> 04:09:16.920 But to end things on a lighter note, yes, in 5177 04:09:17.000 --> 04:09:20.200 Stanley's letter written in his secret code from when they 5178 04:09:20.200 --> 04:09:21.959 were children, is love you bro? 5179 04:09:22.600 --> 04:09:26.399 Oh my gosh, yes, it is so sweet to see 5180 04:09:26.440 --> 04:09:29.079 them still using them, like still using. 5181 04:09:28.879 --> 04:09:32.079 This code, specifically that it's written in the context of 5182 04:09:32.159 --> 04:09:34.360 you think he's writing a swear. He says, what a 5183 04:09:34.399 --> 04:09:35.639 bunch of love you bro? 5184 04:09:36.719 --> 04:09:40.959 Yeah. I think it's so funny. The other instance of 5185 04:09:41.079 --> 04:09:43.440 like seeing a code written by one of these two 5186 04:09:43.479 --> 04:09:46.840 men when they're grown up is actually, like, you know, 5187 04:09:46.959 --> 04:09:50.680 the photograph with Philford and Ford from college, the one 5188 04:09:50.719 --> 04:09:53.559 that's ripped up and found on Philipford's desk. If you 5189 04:09:53.600 --> 04:09:58.319 look at the whiteboard on that page, the whiteboard behind 5190 04:09:58.440 --> 04:10:01.559 college h Ford has a code written in this that 5191 04:10:01.600 --> 04:10:05.159 says miss you like obviously talking about stamp. 5192 04:10:05.799 --> 04:10:10.520 Yeah, so that's another code that got unlocked by the book. 5193 04:10:10.559 --> 04:10:13.159 Then uh no, no, this is in the book. It's 5194 04:10:13.159 --> 04:10:17.319 on the page with Ford and Fiddle. Oh yeah, the 5195 04:10:17.360 --> 04:10:19.319 one at backups more, the one that he finds in 5196 04:10:19.319 --> 04:10:21.959 Philford's desk that says try to for get written on 5197 04:10:22.000 --> 04:10:26.360 it with a mustache Fiddle. Yes, you know. Any instance 5198 04:10:26.399 --> 04:10:29.799 of these men as adults after they're falling out using 5199 04:10:29.840 --> 04:10:31.719 this code brings a tear. 5200 04:10:31.559 --> 04:10:32.200 To my eye. 5201 04:10:32.319 --> 04:10:34.920 I think it's so endearing. I think it's so great. 5202 04:10:35.079 --> 04:10:38.079 For sure, it's made me realize, like we never actually 5203 04:10:38.159 --> 04:10:40.479 saw fiddle Ford at backups more. I love that they 5204 04:10:40.479 --> 04:10:41.399 gave him that message. 5205 04:10:41.760 --> 04:10:46.440 Yeah, sah, it's so good. It's so funny and the 5206 04:10:46.479 --> 04:10:48.360 cowboy boots it's amazing. 5207 04:10:49.040 --> 04:10:52.200 So uh, given the amount of time it has been 5208 04:10:52.360 --> 04:10:55.799 since we even entered the Hall of Conspiracies, you could 5209 04:10:55.799 --> 04:11:01.360 recognize that uh hata eye prefixates is overqualified. U. Usually 5210 04:11:01.399 --> 04:11:04.120 we have a trial run with a guest where we 5211 04:11:04.239 --> 04:11:06.399 take them on a tour before they can graduate the 5212 04:11:06.479 --> 04:11:08.200 docent and give a tour themselves. 5213 04:11:08.399 --> 04:11:10.879 Considering you've been living here, I think you're pretty familiar. 5214 04:11:10.879 --> 04:11:14.280 You know this place better than us the past two years. 5215 04:11:14.360 --> 04:11:17.200 Yes, I actually watch your training videos in the back 5216 04:11:17.280 --> 04:11:19.280 for fun when I'm bored. I don't have cable. 5217 04:11:19.479 --> 04:11:22.079 Did you appreciate the little the little hip hop beats 5218 04:11:22.120 --> 04:11:23.920 though we had to kind of explain some of the 5219 04:11:23.959 --> 04:11:25.159 things going on around. 5220 04:11:24.879 --> 04:11:26.879 I did those were really good beats? 5221 04:11:26.879 --> 04:11:28.680 Like how to properly pour a coffee? 5222 04:11:29.000 --> 04:11:31.200 Yes, yes, and we don't know why that'll be important 5223 04:11:31.239 --> 04:11:33.799 for the Hall of Conspiracy with how much coffee I drink. 5224 04:11:33.920 --> 04:11:36.559 It is, well, the coffee stains so now it makes sense. 5225 04:11:37.559 --> 04:11:39.639 I was gonna say, yeah, it's because of the coffee stands. 5226 04:11:40.079 --> 04:11:41.680 So you can lead us this time. 5227 04:11:41.760 --> 04:11:45.239 Yeah, you actually prepared some theories to talk about today. 5228 04:11:45.680 --> 04:11:48.000 I have to just kind of be along for the 5229 04:11:48.120 --> 04:11:51.600 ride and and react to it. Can we still say react. 5230 04:11:53.479 --> 04:11:54.520 A ten year old joke? 5231 04:11:56.040 --> 04:11:57.879 Well, yeah, it's it's like a fine wine. 5232 04:11:58.200 --> 04:12:02.959 Oh yes, I am so excited to talk about these. 5233 04:12:03.239 --> 04:12:05.879 I want to say that I found that different codes 5234 04:12:05.879 --> 04:12:08.440 and different theories show up on different circles. And I 5235 04:12:08.479 --> 04:12:11.440 am mostly on Tumblr for tatoes, so. 5236 04:12:11.559 --> 04:12:14.239 That's where we sourced a lot of our early stuff. Anyway. 5237 04:12:14.319 --> 04:12:19.079 It's from dog with a blog Conspiracies dot tumblr dot com. 5238 04:12:18.159 --> 04:12:19.399 Of Chris Aviary. 5239 04:12:20.479 --> 04:12:22.719 I guess I'll just jump right in right unless I 5240 04:12:22.719 --> 04:12:23.479 need anything else. 5241 04:12:23.840 --> 04:12:30.200 Yeah, go. 5242 04:12:29.559 --> 04:12:32.000 First up on the list, we have what we're calling 5243 04:12:32.120 --> 04:12:35.719 the Mandible theory, put together by longtime grabby balls band 5244 04:12:35.760 --> 04:12:39.159 Anista Rose on Tumblr. This theory is focused on the 5245 04:12:39.200 --> 04:12:43.879 specifics of how exactly Bill destroyed his home world, focusing 5246 04:12:43.879 --> 04:12:46.920 on his description of the dimensions destruction as being done 5247 04:12:46.959 --> 04:12:50.680 by quote a monster, as well as other elements to 5248 04:12:50.879 --> 04:12:55.520 essentially predict that Bill might have physically devoured his own dimension. 5249 04:12:55.920 --> 04:12:59.479 There are plenty of mentions of Bill devouring people and worlds, 5250 04:12:59.520 --> 04:13:02.680 and lots of imagery, both in Where Beginning when he's 5251 04:13:02.639 --> 04:13:04.680 seeing taking a bite out of the Earth and the 5252 04:13:04.840 --> 04:13:07.760 projected plans, and in the Book of Bill, when a 5253 04:13:07.959 --> 04:13:13.040 page mentions the souls of someone that Bill devoured begging 5254 04:13:13.120 --> 04:13:14.879 to be heard and reaching out. 5255 04:13:15.040 --> 04:13:18.399 Oh, Grembler, right, and in Don't Dimention It when Ford 5256 04:13:18.840 --> 04:13:22.680 describes accidentally eating a planet when he entered the multiverse. 5257 04:13:22.840 --> 04:13:26.600 Yeah, yeah, but when I thought of that, so that 5258 04:13:26.680 --> 04:13:28.719 last atom that he had under his hat is like 5259 04:13:29.040 --> 04:13:29.920 I couldn't finish it. 5260 04:13:31.559 --> 04:13:35.159 He's still full. He's saving that for later, the way 5261 04:13:35.159 --> 04:13:37.440 you might serve, the way you might save crumbs and 5262 04:13:37.479 --> 04:13:42.319 a beard. The real meat and potatoes of the theory, though, 5263 04:13:42.399 --> 04:13:45.479 is that the souls of the devoured are still in 5264 04:13:45.600 --> 04:13:49.600 Bill Cipher, driving him insane, the same way that like 5265 04:13:49.639 --> 04:13:52.319 the souls of people are mentioned on some pages of 5266 04:13:52.360 --> 04:13:55.360 the book as like still existing there and reaching out 5267 04:13:55.399 --> 04:13:57.360 to the reader. There is a code in the multi 5268 04:13:57.360 --> 04:14:01.000 colored squares on a page that says he sleeps, he 5269 04:14:01.079 --> 04:14:09.040 never dreams, but somehow still he hears their screams. Oh 5270 04:14:09.079 --> 04:14:10.959 my god, wait, I don't know if that's actually a 5271 04:14:11.000 --> 04:14:13.159 type in the I don't know if that's the type 5272 04:14:13.360 --> 04:14:23.840 in the screamshot. Yes, in their scream Yes. I have 5273 04:14:24.000 --> 04:14:27.920 been lovingly calling this the Bill Vore theory. 5274 04:14:28.200 --> 04:14:30.920 So I'm guessing it's called mandibles because that's one of 5275 04:14:30.920 --> 04:14:35.079 the visible words on his redacted account of his u. 5276 04:14:35.799 --> 04:14:39.079 On the redacted account of him destroying his home dimension 5277 04:14:39.079 --> 04:14:39.719 of euclidia. 5278 04:14:39.840 --> 04:14:41.719 I like this because the idea of like, oh, he 5279 04:14:42.120 --> 04:14:45.000 still hears the screams, like you know, you interpret that 5280 04:14:45.120 --> 04:14:49.040 initially maybe as metaphorical as as trauma as PTSD, but 5281 04:14:49.280 --> 04:14:52.440 Bill will never admit that he needs help, so he's like, oh, no, 5282 04:14:52.520 --> 04:14:54.239 that's indigestion exactly. 5283 04:14:54.959 --> 04:14:55.200 Yeah. 5284 04:14:55.319 --> 04:14:57.600 It's like he starts hearing the scream of his parents 5285 04:14:57.600 --> 04:14:58.879 and he's like, oh, where's the pepto? 5286 04:15:00.079 --> 04:15:00.799 Yeah exactly. 5287 04:15:00.879 --> 04:15:02.600 And then if you do want to take an engsty 5288 04:15:02.719 --> 04:15:06.000 line with this, like you can interpret it as both 5289 04:15:06.159 --> 04:15:10.200 a traumatic like you know, he still hears their screams, 5290 04:15:10.600 --> 04:15:15.000 but it could also be he does physically constantly here 5291 04:15:15.000 --> 04:15:17.920 there screams driving him to madness. 5292 04:15:18.239 --> 04:15:21.520 M Yeah, you know, I'm surprised that prevents him from sleeping. 5293 04:15:21.559 --> 04:15:23.159 It sounds like it would kind of create a nice 5294 04:15:23.440 --> 04:15:24.319 kind of white noise. 5295 04:15:25.239 --> 04:15:30.360 He mixed that with with the Shepherd's Rising Shepherd. 5296 04:15:31.360 --> 04:15:34.319 Yeah, exactly, his favorite song a banger. 5297 04:15:34.559 --> 04:15:37.639 In Bill Seipher's interview with himself, he asks is it 5298 04:15:37.680 --> 04:15:40.559 true you're the biological father of Phineas from Phineas and 5299 04:15:40.639 --> 04:15:43.799 Ferb and responds to his own query with this interview 5300 04:15:43.920 --> 04:15:48.440 is over, clearly dodging the question, as well as possibly 5301 04:15:48.559 --> 04:15:51.520 being a reference to the time Strongbad interviewed himself because 5302 04:15:51.559 --> 04:15:57.239 it ends exactly that same way. So from the TV 5303 04:15:57.280 --> 04:16:00.360 Trip's Wild Mast Guessing page, they write on whether or 5304 04:16:00.360 --> 04:16:04.120 not Bill is Phineas Flynn's father. Likely not. It's doubtful 5305 04:16:04.159 --> 04:16:06.719 that the show's creator would go the route of Phineas 5306 04:16:06.799 --> 04:16:12.319 being the anti Christ, which, if you don't know, is 5307 04:16:12.440 --> 04:16:17.559 the idea of a virgin birth conceived by a woman 5308 04:16:17.680 --> 04:16:20.719 possessed by a demon or satan, depending on if you're 5309 04:16:20.760 --> 04:16:22.879 watching Supernatural or not, which when are you not? 5310 04:16:23.319 --> 04:16:27.399 I am she's your mother, but the thing inside of her, 5311 04:16:27.799 --> 04:16:31.319 the thing that you're talking to, it a demon. 5312 04:16:31.639 --> 04:16:36.440 Notably, this isn't the only person that the book implies 5313 04:16:36.520 --> 04:16:38.399 he might be the biological father. 5314 04:16:38.200 --> 04:16:39.000 Of That is true. 5315 04:16:39.200 --> 04:16:42.200 On the page opposite of the Love page. When asked Bill, 5316 04:16:42.319 --> 04:16:45.079 have you ever been in love? He says, sure, how 5317 04:16:45.079 --> 04:16:46.040 are your mom high? 5318 04:16:46.079 --> 04:16:46.319 For me? 5319 04:16:46.719 --> 04:16:50.479 By the way, have you taken a GADA test recently? Well, 5320 04:16:50.559 --> 04:16:54.639 obviously it's not a virgin birth. We've established Bill mom. 5321 04:16:54.959 --> 04:16:58.000 You're right? If Bill mom, that doesn't fall into anti 5322 04:16:58.079 --> 04:16:59.159 Christ's territory. 5323 04:16:59.440 --> 04:16:59.879 True. 5324 04:17:00.360 --> 04:17:02.600 Yeah, cut, did Charlie take clip? 5325 04:17:02.719 --> 04:17:11.520 Did you? What did you love? 5326 04:17:13.120 --> 04:17:13.680 What do you mean. 5327 04:17:16.280 --> 04:17:19.879 Cipher? Well, he did read the book. 5328 04:17:20.399 --> 04:17:21.159 He did read the book. 5329 04:17:21.200 --> 04:17:23.639 Maybe that's that's why Charlie Day read the book to 5330 04:17:23.719 --> 04:17:24.159 find out. 5331 04:17:24.319 --> 04:17:26.799 So yeah, so that also means that, you know, because 5332 04:17:27.200 --> 04:17:30.239 claiming he's someone's father is something he has done for 5333 04:17:30.479 --> 04:17:31.639 literally everyone. 5334 04:17:31.840 --> 04:17:33.559 This could be taken with a grade of salt. 5335 04:17:33.799 --> 04:17:36.959 But if we did actually want to seriously discuss it 5336 04:17:37.040 --> 04:17:37.959 as a theory. 5337 04:17:37.840 --> 04:17:40.360 I guess for context we should say that on Phineas 5338 04:17:40.360 --> 04:17:43.360 and Ferb, Phineas is uh, Phineas and Ferb are are 5339 04:17:43.520 --> 04:17:49.120 blended family. Ferb's dad already had Ferb and married Phineas's mom, 5340 04:17:49.120 --> 04:17:52.360 who already had Candice in Phineas. We have never met 5341 04:17:52.520 --> 04:17:56.520 or known about either Ferb's mom or Phineas's dad. 5342 04:17:56.639 --> 04:18:00.520 There has been no allusion to Phineas's biological father in 5343 04:18:00.600 --> 04:18:04.639 the actual show, as well as Jeff Swampy Marsh and 5344 04:18:04.760 --> 04:18:08.079 Dan Pop and Meyer have basically built all of the 5345 04:18:08.159 --> 04:18:12.159 major characters in that show around simple shapes because they 5346 04:18:12.200 --> 04:18:13.760 know how cool it was as a kid to be 5347 04:18:13.799 --> 04:18:17.280 able to draw your favorite characters from cartoons, and Phineas 5348 04:18:17.440 --> 04:18:20.280 is specifically based on the triangle shape. 5349 04:18:20.360 --> 04:18:24.719 There were theories because for a brief time, Dufen Schmertz 5350 04:18:24.840 --> 04:18:29.000 dated Phineas' mom, there were theories that he was the father, 5351 04:18:29.120 --> 04:18:32.799 but that has been thoroughly debunked deep yeah, debunked by 5352 04:18:33.000 --> 04:18:33.920 Dan Pop and Meyern. 5353 04:18:34.079 --> 04:18:37.040 But this one has not. However, it has been a 5354 04:18:37.079 --> 04:18:39.799 little bunked haha. Disney Channel. 5355 04:18:40.040 --> 04:18:43.440 Oh, longest running Disney Channel series references. 5356 04:18:43.639 --> 04:18:47.280 We'll be right back to bunked on Disney Channel. Terrible 5357 04:18:47.399 --> 04:18:53.200 unwatchable show. It's long. It's the longest running series because 5358 04:18:53.200 --> 04:18:56.399 they're getting really good numbers because people walk away from 5359 04:18:56.440 --> 04:18:59.280 their TV the second it turns on, so they'd just 5360 04:18:59.360 --> 04:19:03.360 been you know, it's always on for people, yeah, they say, 5361 04:19:03.639 --> 04:19:07.239 or more likely, Phineas's biological father made a deal with 5362 04:19:07.360 --> 04:19:10.280 Bill to make him the smartest man on earth, only 5363 04:19:10.319 --> 04:19:13.399 for things to go horribly wrong. However, traces of that 5364 04:19:13.440 --> 04:19:16.879 deal still linger in Phineas, who is abnormally intelligent for 5365 04:19:16.959 --> 04:19:17.559 his age. 5366 04:19:17.680 --> 04:19:18.879 Yes, yes he is. 5367 04:19:19.159 --> 04:19:23.879 Yeah, and his inferbs inventions practically defiologic. And they say alternatively, 5368 04:19:24.239 --> 04:19:27.239 Bill is the reason he doesn't want to talk about 5369 04:19:27.280 --> 04:19:32.079 it because he's disgusted at how positive and friendly Phineas is. 5370 04:19:33.959 --> 04:19:38.360 We're manipulating. It was impossible, as Phineas didn't have any 5371 04:19:38.440 --> 04:19:42.879 insecurities or ego that Bill could pray on the lines 5372 04:19:42.920 --> 04:19:44.920 of anti anti Christ. 5373 04:19:45.440 --> 04:19:49.200 Oh my god, I love this, Hey, Firb, what are 5374 04:19:49.239 --> 04:19:51.479 we gonna do today? I don't know, how about build 5375 04:19:51.479 --> 04:19:52.920 a multi dimensional portal? 5376 04:19:53.959 --> 04:19:56.440 Well, they could do that in an afternoon. In fact, 5377 04:19:56.520 --> 04:19:57.200 they feel. 5378 04:19:57.000 --> 04:19:57.799 Like they've done that. 5379 04:19:57.879 --> 04:20:00.040 Well they have. They helped Dofen Schmertz. They helped and 5380 04:20:00.200 --> 04:20:01.520 repair his other dimensionator. 5381 04:20:01.639 --> 04:20:04.000 Yeah, oh my god, Bill, you got to them. 5382 04:20:04.239 --> 04:20:07.159 This means Phideas and SEUs could join a book club 5383 04:20:07.200 --> 04:20:08.559 of Like, so, what did you think of the book 5384 04:20:08.600 --> 04:20:10.479 of Bill SEUs? I don't know it just it just 5385 04:20:10.479 --> 04:20:13.559 said he's uncorruptible. Yeah, I saw that too. 5386 04:20:15.479 --> 04:20:22.440 Okay, Hannah, are you ready to dive into rectangles? Rectangles? 5387 04:20:24.879 --> 04:20:27.120 Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm ready. 5388 04:20:27.879 --> 04:20:31.120 This is so harm you said, Jesus. I'm ready. You 5389 04:20:31.120 --> 04:20:32.239 should say Antichrist. 5390 04:20:33.879 --> 04:20:37.239 Where's that SpongeBob meme of what I've got? 5391 04:20:38.040 --> 04:20:40.000 Rectangles? 5392 04:20:40.040 --> 04:20:42.520 You know, I'm gonna talk about a few of the 5393 04:20:42.559 --> 04:20:46.360 rectangles based theories, But first, I guess I gotta explain 5394 04:20:46.520 --> 04:20:48.319 what rectangles I'm talking about. 5395 04:20:48.440 --> 04:20:52.319 So a rectangle is a throwing myself out a window. 5396 04:20:52.479 --> 04:20:53.520 We don't have those in here? 5397 04:20:53.600 --> 04:20:56.559 Yeah, no, no, no, I made some. I'm doing some renovations. 5398 04:20:56.559 --> 04:20:57.159 Where are you gone? 5399 04:20:58.159 --> 04:20:59.879 Renovations? By which do you mean punching? 5400 04:21:01.600 --> 04:21:03.440 I've been punching a hole in the wall every time 5401 04:21:03.479 --> 04:21:04.479 I see a rectangle? 5402 04:21:06.719 --> 04:21:10.040 Why is that tell us about your your madness? 5403 04:21:10.959 --> 04:21:14.200 So in Journal three, on the margins of many of 5404 04:21:14.239 --> 04:21:16.799 the pages, if not most of them, we have these 5405 04:21:16.840 --> 04:21:22.360 series of red rectangles. These rectangles sometimes form patterns that repeat, 5406 04:21:22.719 --> 04:21:26.079 sometimes they don't. Sometimes they have random letters stuck in 5407 04:21:26.120 --> 04:21:29.280 between them. Notably, and I think this is important to 5408 04:21:29.319 --> 04:21:31.559 say that I had an interview with Alex Hirsh where 5409 04:21:31.600 --> 04:21:33.840 I asked him about the rectangles, and he said that 5410 04:21:33.879 --> 04:21:37.520 the ones in Journal three, to his knowledge, did not 5411 04:21:37.760 --> 04:21:41.399 have any specific meaning. Even though I had a friend 5412 04:21:41.399 --> 04:21:44.719 of mine with the linguistics degree look at them, and 5413 04:21:44.799 --> 04:21:47.959 she said that it looks like it echoes English. Like 5414 04:21:48.520 --> 04:21:52.079 I cannot tell y'all how many things I tried. 5415 04:21:52.360 --> 04:21:57.360 If he hadn't said, to his knowledge, yes that opened worms. 5416 04:21:57.719 --> 04:22:01.200 Now, notably the ill trader of Journal three, or at 5417 04:22:01.239 --> 04:22:04.000 least one of the illustrators and agans all this did 5418 04:22:04.239 --> 04:22:07.680 design these rectangles. I have a tweeted at him and 5419 04:22:07.719 --> 04:22:10.639 haven't gotten a response, probably because I'm a crazy person 5420 04:22:10.680 --> 04:22:12.559 who won't shut up about these rectangles. 5421 04:22:12.639 --> 04:22:15.600 You've thrown a few bricks through his windows with messages. 5422 04:22:15.840 --> 04:22:18.280 No, they've made a few windows in his windows. 5423 04:22:18.399 --> 04:22:21.799 Exactly, I'm doing renovations. If you're listening to this, do 5424 04:22:21.920 --> 04:22:24.520 not bother Andy. He's probably a very nice man, even 5425 04:22:24.520 --> 04:22:27.440 though he has, and this is true, ruined my life. 5426 04:22:27.520 --> 04:22:30.840 If you're listening to this, don't bother anyone that's not nice. 5427 04:22:31.079 --> 04:22:31.399 Yes. 5428 04:22:31.520 --> 04:22:33.600 And if you're listening to this and you are, Andy, 5429 04:22:34.120 --> 04:22:34.959 I'm bothering you. 5430 04:22:35.040 --> 04:22:36.000 Andy, tell me that. 5431 04:22:36.079 --> 04:22:37.479 The rectangles. 5432 04:22:38.719 --> 04:22:39.000 Listen. 5433 04:22:39.040 --> 04:22:40.319 You should never bother anyone. 5434 04:22:40.360 --> 04:22:46.040 But exactly, exactly, I've tried everything with the rectangles and 5435 04:22:46.120 --> 04:22:47.799 Journal three, if you can think of it, I have 5436 04:22:47.920 --> 04:22:49.959 tried it. I've talked about this in a video on 5437 04:22:50.000 --> 04:22:51.959 my channel where I interview else her, So you can 5438 04:22:52.000 --> 04:22:53.600 go check that out if you want to see a 5439 04:22:53.680 --> 04:22:57.120 list of everything I've tried. Yes, that being said the 5440 04:22:57.239 --> 04:22:59.840 same way that the ruins that we see in this 5441 04:23:00.079 --> 04:23:03.360 series before the Book of Bill don't have any meaning 5442 04:23:03.520 --> 04:23:06.760 and now retroactively do have a meaning assigned to them, 5443 04:23:06.799 --> 04:23:09.520 like the hey dip in the theme song. A lot 5444 04:23:09.559 --> 04:23:11.479 of people, and by a lot of people, I mean 5445 04:23:11.520 --> 04:23:15.200 me and a bunch of and a handful of theorists 5446 04:23:15.600 --> 04:23:18.920 are really wondering if the rectangles that we see on 5447 04:23:18.959 --> 04:23:21.760 the margins of the Lost Journal three pages in the 5448 04:23:21.799 --> 04:23:25.319 Book of Bill give retroactive meaning in one way or 5449 04:23:25.360 --> 04:23:29.120 another to the pages in Journal three, or if they 5450 04:23:29.120 --> 04:23:31.879 have their own meaning asside to them, especially because there 5451 04:23:31.920 --> 04:23:35.719 are some marked differences between these rectangles and the rectangles 5452 04:23:35.760 --> 04:23:38.440 in the first book. For one thing, a lot of 5453 04:23:38.479 --> 04:23:41.159 the patterns repeat way more than they used to. 5454 04:23:41.399 --> 04:23:44.479 Can I just say real quick, I have a blast 5455 04:23:44.559 --> 04:23:46.559 listening to this. This is like I get to hear 5456 04:23:46.600 --> 04:23:50.440 a new Mystery Shack look back episodecorn. 5457 04:23:51.559 --> 04:23:54.799 I'm so glad, I'm very I'm very honored. Like that 5458 04:23:54.879 --> 04:23:59.360 y'all like my nonsensical ramblings about geometric shape. 5459 04:23:59.799 --> 04:24:02.600 You are the perfect, perfect guests for this segment. 5460 04:24:02.680 --> 04:24:04.959 That is why we moved you onto this, because we've 5461 04:24:04.959 --> 04:24:06.920 already been recording for an hour and a half and 5462 04:24:06.959 --> 04:24:09.840 I don't want to waste that much Alex's time with this. 5463 04:24:09.920 --> 04:24:12.479 But this is this is what your time was designed for. 5464 04:24:13.319 --> 04:24:17.120 Thank you so much. I appreciate it. So some differences 5465 04:24:17.159 --> 04:24:19.479 between these rectangles and the ones that we got in 5466 04:24:19.559 --> 04:24:22.920 Journal three. First of all, the patterns repeat way more 5467 04:24:22.959 --> 04:24:25.680 often than the ones that we saw in Journal three. 5468 04:24:26.360 --> 04:24:29.040 In Journal three, I was able to split apart and 5469 04:24:29.079 --> 04:24:33.200 maybe parse out twenty five different patterns. Some of them 5470 04:24:33.239 --> 04:24:35.440 repeated a bunch, some of them didn't. In the book 5471 04:24:35.479 --> 04:24:38.360 of Bill patterns, I can only detect about maybe ten 5472 04:24:38.559 --> 04:24:41.360 or eleven different ones, and a couple of them we 5473 04:24:41.520 --> 04:24:44.559 just see a bunch of times. The other thing is 5474 04:24:44.600 --> 04:24:48.200 that they have different cutters. So the majority of the 5475 04:24:48.239 --> 04:24:52.120 rectangles are red. But then on the pages related to 5476 04:24:52.319 --> 04:24:56.120 a winter break and Christmas time and the holidays, we 5477 04:24:56.200 --> 04:24:58.600 see some that are red and green, and they might 5478 04:24:58.639 --> 04:25:03.079 be thinking, well, yeah, Hannah, those are obviously themed after Christmas. 5479 04:25:03.120 --> 04:25:06.760 You don't Christmas Adult is a watch for me every year. 5480 04:25:06.959 --> 04:25:10.200 Obviously they're not red and green for any specific reason. 5481 04:25:10.520 --> 04:25:14.079 But then explain to me a hypothetical person being mean 5482 04:25:14.159 --> 04:25:14.360 to me. 5483 04:25:14.799 --> 04:25:17.920 I mean, yes, I'm gonna grab my journal that I 5484 04:25:18.040 --> 04:25:21.000 made real quick, because I made my journal based off 5485 04:25:21.040 --> 04:25:25.200 of the screenshots of ones just on the show, and 5486 04:25:25.280 --> 04:25:27.319 I think the rectangles are in that so I think 5487 04:25:27.319 --> 04:25:29.319 that it's been part of the design from the beginning, 5488 04:25:29.360 --> 04:25:30.520 whether they mean something or not. 5489 04:25:30.680 --> 04:25:33.680 Oh, but that's the thing, Like, well, no, the thing 5490 04:25:33.719 --> 04:25:36.680 is we even see it in the show itself, like 5491 04:25:36.879 --> 04:25:40.079 that's where they come from. And yeah, that's also notable. 5492 04:25:40.120 --> 04:25:43.360 They didn't originate in Journal three, the physical copy. They 5493 04:25:43.399 --> 04:25:45.440 were in the Journal three pages that we saw in 5494 04:25:45.479 --> 04:25:49.959 the series specifically. Now a lot of those were carried 5495 04:25:50.040 --> 04:25:53.959 over into pages, but there's a couple of pages in 5496 04:25:54.000 --> 04:25:57.120 Journal three that don't quite match the rectangle pattern that 5497 04:25:57.159 --> 04:26:01.079 we saw on pages in the series of Journal three. 5498 04:26:01.200 --> 04:26:04.440 It gets really confusing when I keep talking about it, 5499 04:26:04.479 --> 04:26:07.399 So if you need clarification, please stop me at any point. 5500 04:26:07.799 --> 04:26:10.120 But what I was getting at is that at one point, 5501 04:26:10.479 --> 04:26:13.799 specifically on the page with the bill proof suits, and 5502 04:26:13.879 --> 04:26:16.959 I believe on the page after that, we have a 5503 04:26:17.000 --> 04:26:22.200 series of bluish purple like more blue rectangles for some reason, 5504 04:26:23.120 --> 04:26:25.000 and I don't know why those are blue. 5505 04:26:25.280 --> 04:26:27.959 By the way, blue is and green are a separate 5506 04:26:28.000 --> 04:26:30.319 spectrum of light from red. Ella just wanted to let 5507 04:26:30.360 --> 04:26:32.159 you know. So this makes sense going forward. 5508 04:26:32.200 --> 04:26:35.040 Okay, so that's an interesting theory too. 5509 04:26:36.840 --> 04:26:39.719 Yeah. So, looking at the journal that I made, the 5510 04:26:39.799 --> 04:26:43.280 only page that has rectangles on it from the show 5511 04:26:43.319 --> 04:26:46.719 at the very least prior to season two is the 5512 04:26:46.799 --> 04:26:51.920 page that's the portal. Everything else is rectangleless. 5513 04:26:52.079 --> 04:26:54.680 We see a lot of them in season two though. 5514 04:26:54.840 --> 04:26:57.120 Yes, that's why I said, like prior to season two. 5515 04:26:57.280 --> 04:27:00.360 Yeah, yeah, so there was an addition made basically towards 5516 04:27:00.440 --> 04:27:03.159 the end of production of season one and then carried 5517 04:27:03.200 --> 04:27:07.479 over into season two, possibly for no reason, which is insane. 5518 04:27:07.680 --> 04:27:11.200 I mean, it's possible that Andygan's office joined in in 5519 04:27:11.280 --> 04:27:13.799 season two. I would need to check that, though, No. 5520 04:27:13.920 --> 04:27:16.959 He did the illustrations in the journal in season one. 5521 04:27:17.200 --> 04:27:21.120 Okay, we're at with three options here. The first option 5522 04:27:21.280 --> 04:27:23.559 is that Alex Hirsch lied to me and that they 5523 04:27:23.600 --> 04:27:25.840 do have a secret meeting and I just haven't figured 5524 04:27:25.879 --> 04:27:29.959 them out yet. I'm gonna sign step this, and you know, 5525 04:27:30.479 --> 04:27:33.159 assume that Alex is telling the truth when he tells 5526 04:27:33.200 --> 04:27:35.879 me that, to his knowledge, they don't have any meaning. 5527 04:27:36.200 --> 04:27:38.559 I do want to point out in regards to that, though, 5528 04:27:38.760 --> 04:27:43.319 someone else asked Alex about the rectangles on Twitter, and 5529 04:27:43.360 --> 04:27:47.120 then Alex responded with a gift from the ballad of 5530 04:27:47.159 --> 04:27:50.680 Buster scrugs of someone at the gallows looking over next 5531 04:27:50.680 --> 04:27:53.680 to them and going first time and tagged. 5532 04:27:54.239 --> 04:27:58.440 Yes, yeah, you know, I can give you some information 5533 04:27:58.639 --> 04:28:00.959 that I just I haven't really talked about very publicly, 5534 04:28:01.040 --> 04:28:05.479 but I think it's fine. So in my Alex Hirsch interview, 5535 04:28:05.639 --> 04:28:09.559 I made puppets of all the speakers, including myself, that 5536 04:28:09.680 --> 04:28:14.159 Gfan and Alex Hirsch, Yes and I. Because I couldn't 5537 04:28:14.239 --> 04:28:16.559 use footage from the interview and I wanted her to 5538 04:28:16.600 --> 04:28:20.200 be a visual element. I made a puppet show of 5539 04:28:20.200 --> 04:28:21.920 the entire interview and it was. 5540 04:28:22.000 --> 04:28:24.799 Very fun and it was glorious. 5541 04:28:24.479 --> 04:28:27.239 Thank you very much. I was left in the end 5542 04:28:27.319 --> 04:28:31.040 with this like Muppet style puppet of Alex Hirsch just 5543 04:28:31.200 --> 04:28:34.040 on my shelf looking at me all the time, and 5544 04:28:34.079 --> 04:28:36.520 I asked Alex if he wanted it, and I sent 5545 04:28:36.600 --> 04:28:40.120 it over to him. I sent it with a pamphlet. 5546 04:28:40.319 --> 04:28:44.559 The pamphlet included tips on how not to get stabbed 5547 04:28:44.559 --> 04:28:46.920 by some of the pins that were keeping the eyebrows 5548 04:28:46.959 --> 04:28:51.120 in there, and I'll say some information on how it 5549 04:28:51.200 --> 04:28:55.399 was cursed and maybe killed someone. I'm not really sure. 5550 04:28:55.559 --> 04:28:57.479 It was a fun pamphlet, fun to put to either. 5551 04:28:57.719 --> 04:29:00.479 I just want to say, pamphlets that included us on 5552 04:29:00.559 --> 04:29:02.760 how not to get stabbed are some of my favorite 5553 04:29:02.799 --> 04:29:05.879 pamphlets because I personally not actually that much a fan 5554 04:29:05.920 --> 04:29:06.680 of getting stabbed. 5555 04:29:06.719 --> 04:29:08.559 You know, they're my favorite because I'm not a fan 5556 04:29:08.600 --> 04:29:11.639 of getting sued by Alix hursh oh i am. 5557 04:29:11.760 --> 04:29:14.319 I think that's really sweet too, because I know, you know, 5558 04:29:14.440 --> 04:29:16.319 Alex in the days where he was actually able to 5559 04:29:16.319 --> 04:29:19.000 respond to fan mail, I feel like that's kind of 5560 04:29:19.000 --> 04:29:21.040 the style he would write in this kind of like 5561 04:29:21.520 --> 04:29:25.079 mini arg oh, you know, like there's a code on 5562 04:29:25.120 --> 04:29:27.520 this page and stuff like that, like this is just 5563 04:29:27.559 --> 04:29:29.559 for you. You know, that's that's really cute. 5564 04:29:29.680 --> 04:29:32.280 When Alex did see the pamphlet, he noticed that on 5565 04:29:32.360 --> 04:29:35.360 the back of it, I had a bunch of rectangles. 5566 04:29:35.440 --> 04:29:38.000 I just I put a bunch of on it, like 5567 04:29:38.840 --> 04:29:41.000 you know, in a pattern echoing journal. 5568 04:29:41.000 --> 04:29:42.319 Do you know how it feel. 5569 04:29:42.959 --> 04:29:45.600 He told me that it was funny and charming, and 5570 04:29:45.639 --> 04:29:48.799 he added on and by the way, I love the rectangles, 5571 04:29:49.120 --> 04:29:52.680 and I said thanks. I felt probably similar to the 5572 04:29:52.680 --> 04:29:55.239 way that Dipper felt when in the Book of Bill 5573 04:29:55.399 --> 04:29:58.040 he writes in a code to Bill, see it's not 5574 04:29:58.159 --> 04:30:01.559 that hard. I can write codes too, only you replace 5575 04:30:01.719 --> 04:30:07.920 CDEs with nonsensical rectangles. And then he said, he said 5576 04:30:07.959 --> 04:30:10.159 to me, and I felt a lot like how to 5577 04:30:10.239 --> 04:30:14.920 hyperfixates reading it going do they mean something? This time? 5578 04:30:16.760 --> 04:30:20.879 I'm saying, go. I had Alex try to figure it out. 5579 04:30:22.200 --> 04:30:25.360 So you know, that's probably like the funnest interrection I've 5580 04:30:25.360 --> 04:30:29.559 ever had with anyone. But I do think, and I 5581 04:30:29.879 --> 04:30:31.520 do want to be clear. I do think that he's 5582 04:30:31.520 --> 04:30:33.319 telling the truth what he says. That he does not 5583 04:30:33.440 --> 04:30:34.600 know the meaning of them. 5584 04:30:34.840 --> 04:30:36.600 But that doesn't mean that they have no meaning. 5585 04:30:36.760 --> 04:30:40.440 Well, yeah, like because famously, didn't the guy who made 5586 04:30:40.520 --> 04:30:43.959 the pixel art for Susan the real Girl hide in 5587 04:30:44.000 --> 04:30:44.319 a cup? 5588 04:30:44.760 --> 04:30:47.040 Paul Robertson hid binary in there. 5589 04:30:47.079 --> 04:30:50.239 That's I said, space sham two. Yeah, And these are 5590 04:30:50.319 --> 04:30:53.840 codes that Alex didn't even know about. Alex has also said. 5591 04:30:53.639 --> 04:30:55.639 I don't think that he would have done that just 5592 04:30:55.680 --> 04:30:58.680 because he never has before. Occasionally there will be like 5593 04:30:58.719 --> 04:31:00.799 a gag in one of those journals, in a symbol 5594 04:31:00.840 --> 04:31:02.639 or something that Andy did put in that's just like 5595 04:31:02.680 --> 04:31:05.319 a goofy joke where people are like, this joke doesn't 5596 04:31:05.319 --> 04:31:06.120 seem in character. 5597 04:31:06.159 --> 04:31:08.520 I'm like, ah Andy, So whether or not they have 5598 04:31:08.600 --> 04:31:12.120 any meaning, the jury is out, but I'm leaning toward snow. 5599 04:31:12.600 --> 04:31:13.479 Now. As for the. 5600 04:31:13.440 --> 04:31:17.120 Book of Bill, there are a few theories on what 5601 04:31:17.159 --> 04:31:19.479 they could mean. I'm sorry we've talked so much about 5602 04:31:19.479 --> 04:31:22.000 the rectangles and haven't even gotten to the theories yet, 5603 04:31:22.040 --> 04:31:23.959 but I think all that was helpful information. 5604 04:31:24.200 --> 04:31:26.639 Let's just go no, no, I love every second of this, 5605 04:31:26.719 --> 04:31:27.639 Do not apologize. 5606 04:31:27.799 --> 04:31:29.239 Amazing, great ictic. 5607 04:31:29.559 --> 04:31:32.079 Now this is podcasting. 5608 04:31:32.639 --> 04:31:36.440 Podcasting, baby. So the first story I want to talk 5609 04:31:36.440 --> 04:31:39.319 about is one that was devised by me. I kind 5610 04:31:39.319 --> 04:31:41.840 of had some help putting a document on this, put 5611 04:31:41.879 --> 04:31:46.000 together by the folks in the Gravity Falls subreddit discord server. 5612 04:31:46.399 --> 04:31:48.479 The link is in the podcast description if you want 5613 04:31:48.520 --> 04:31:51.239 to check it out, it's just the Google doc. The 5614 04:31:51.399 --> 04:31:55.440 goal was to find similarities in the patterns of the 5615 04:31:55.600 --> 04:31:58.840 orders and arrangements of the rectangles that are in Journal 5616 04:31:58.879 --> 04:32:02.040 three and in the book A bill and to match 5617 04:32:02.079 --> 04:32:04.360 them up. We weren't looking at cars. We were just 5618 04:32:04.440 --> 04:32:07.680 looking at patterns. Because I mentioned to you that I 5619 04:32:07.760 --> 04:32:12.040 found twenty five different patterns in the original Journal three, 5620 04:32:12.239 --> 04:32:16.280 and you know, twenty five is really close to twenty six, 5621 04:32:16.520 --> 04:32:18.879 and there's twenty six letters of the alphabet, and so 5622 04:32:18.959 --> 04:32:22.799 it must mean something, right, right, It means something, right, guys, 5623 04:32:22.799 --> 04:32:25.399 I'm not crazy. We talk about the rectangles. 5624 04:32:25.559 --> 04:32:26.920 I'm talking about the rectangles. 5625 04:32:27.360 --> 04:32:31.360 The basic idea behind this, behind finding these patterns, is 5626 04:32:31.760 --> 04:32:35.520 similar to how the strings of numbers on the Silly 5627 04:32:35.840 --> 04:32:42.760 Straw page related to specific words as specific timestamps in episodes. 5628 04:32:43.360 --> 04:32:47.000 I was thinking that maybe if a pattern in this 5629 04:32:47.159 --> 04:32:51.159 book matches a pattern on a page of Journal three, 5630 04:32:51.600 --> 04:32:55.959 perhaps the first word of all of these pages might 5631 04:32:56.040 --> 04:32:58.879 actually mean something, or maybe the first word of the 5632 04:32:58.920 --> 04:33:01.719 paragraph next to pattern in Journal three is what you 5633 04:33:01.719 --> 04:33:03.680 should keep track of. And then when you put them 5634 04:33:03.680 --> 04:33:06.080 all next to each other, maybe it spells something, or 5635 04:33:06.119 --> 04:33:09.680 maybe it writes something, or maybe there's a phrase. And 5636 04:33:09.759 --> 04:33:12.720 a bunch of them were repeated from like the same 5637 04:33:12.759 --> 04:33:16.799 two or three pages in Journal three, and to my knowledge, 5638 04:33:16.840 --> 04:33:19.240 that didn't go anywhere, at least not in any way 5639 04:33:19.319 --> 04:33:22.799 I could detect. But wait, there's more. I'm not crazy. 5640 04:33:22.840 --> 04:33:28.279 I have other theories. So we also have the RGB 5641 04:33:28.759 --> 04:33:31.720 x code theory. And this is also one of mine. 5642 04:33:31.720 --> 04:33:34.200 Because I was talking to a friend and I was 5643 04:33:34.240 --> 04:33:37.680 talking about the rectangles, and I kept saying, man, it 5644 04:33:37.720 --> 04:33:41.319 doesn't make sense. Some of these rectangles are green, some 5645 04:33:41.400 --> 04:33:44.159 of them are red, some of them are blue. We 5646 04:33:44.360 --> 04:33:48.520 just have red green, blue, red, green, blue boo RGB. 5647 04:33:48.959 --> 04:33:52.520 And so I ran to my computer and I counted 5648 04:33:52.759 --> 04:33:55.560 every instance of a red rectangle in the book of Bill, 5649 04:33:55.880 --> 04:33:58.240 every instance of a green one, and every instance of 5650 04:33:58.279 --> 04:34:01.959 a blue one, and I, okay, maybe if I put 5651 04:34:02.000 --> 04:34:05.319 this in as the numbers in an RGB code, that 5652 04:34:05.360 --> 04:34:08.599 could maybe translate to a hex code, and maybe that 5653 04:34:10.319 --> 04:34:13.599 and essentially the curd that I ended up with was 5654 04:34:13.720 --> 04:34:16.240 just an ugly shade. 5655 04:34:15.840 --> 04:34:18.080 Of brown that's towards for marine. 5656 04:34:18.119 --> 04:34:22.720 You found it, Yeah, right, There is in one of 5657 04:34:22.759 --> 04:34:26.759 the pages a super duper tiny code. This is I 5658 04:34:26.759 --> 04:34:29.080 think right before the pages where we get to hear 5659 04:34:29.159 --> 04:34:32.599 from Stan, Mabel and Dipper. But there's a super tiny 5660 04:34:32.680 --> 04:34:37.279 code in the inner margin, like up against the crack 5661 04:34:37.319 --> 04:34:41.000 of the book that says, what is Ford's favorite color? 5662 04:34:41.400 --> 04:34:44.639 And it's so tiny you literally need a magnifying glass 5663 04:34:44.639 --> 04:34:46.599 to read it. It is so hard to read. And 5664 04:34:46.680 --> 04:34:49.560 in some people's versions of the book, it's so deep 5665 04:34:49.560 --> 04:34:52.000 in the margin that they physically can't see it. Because 5666 04:34:52.000 --> 04:34:53.000 it's deep in the crack. 5667 04:34:53.240 --> 04:34:55.479 You have to destroy your book in order to read it. 5668 04:34:55.599 --> 04:34:59.200 Yeah. Also on this page speaking of destruction as a 5669 04:34:59.240 --> 04:35:03.159 code that says destruction is the form of creation. On 5670 04:35:03.200 --> 04:35:07.759 this page it has that question. And so I was thinking, Okay, 5671 04:35:08.119 --> 04:35:11.279 I'm wondering what kind of color I'm looking for. Maybe 5672 04:35:11.319 --> 04:35:14.200 it's a hex code, maybe it's an RGB code, Maybe 5673 04:35:14.200 --> 04:35:17.240 this is related to something else, Maybe it's a password 5674 04:35:17.319 --> 04:35:20.080 to something. And I just kept trying to figure it out, 5675 04:35:20.159 --> 04:35:23.400 and I just ended up with a muddy, ugly brown. 5676 04:35:23.599 --> 04:35:27.040 And I guess that's for true marine enjoy. Well, you know, 5677 04:35:27.279 --> 04:35:30.560 I tried different variations, like maybe if I only count 5678 04:35:30.680 --> 04:35:33.639 all of the greens that show up after a specific point, 5679 04:35:34.000 --> 04:35:36.560 Maybe if I don't count all the reds that show 5680 04:35:36.639 --> 04:35:38.880 up after the first instance of green, what do I get? 5681 04:35:39.040 --> 04:35:42.919 But ultimately I couldn't find any real meaning. But for 5682 04:35:43.000 --> 04:35:45.680 your records, there is about four hundred and forty two 5683 04:35:45.799 --> 04:35:49.959 red rectangles sixty four green ones and twenty seven blue ones. 5684 04:35:50.520 --> 04:35:52.520 Have fun, y'all enjoy that. 5685 04:35:53.319 --> 04:35:55.279 This is the best episode of this podcast. 5686 04:35:55.840 --> 04:35:56.639 That's true. 5687 04:35:56.840 --> 04:35:58.439 I'm glad someone's having. 5688 04:35:58.319 --> 04:35:59.560 I'm calling it right here. 5689 04:35:59.759 --> 04:36:05.240 But then, so this was mostly the idea of Jim 5690 04:36:05.279 --> 04:36:08.040 Bags seven seven seven. He kind of worked us out 5691 04:36:08.080 --> 04:36:10.639 in DMS with me because he still is and so 5692 04:36:10.799 --> 04:36:14.080 am I going crazy already. Rectangles and he came up 5693 04:36:14.080 --> 04:36:19.439 with the idea that maybe these different rectangles, because we 5694 04:36:19.479 --> 04:36:23.040 can find six different sizes of rectangles at least in 5695 04:36:23.119 --> 04:36:26.919 the Book of Bill, maybe they translate into six different 5696 04:36:27.040 --> 04:36:28.080 musical notes. 5697 04:36:28.439 --> 04:36:31.159 Oh that's that's very close encounters. 5698 04:36:31.520 --> 04:36:35.360 Yeah, he arranged a rectangles into a song, and I 5699 04:36:35.360 --> 04:36:38.119 think the way he did it was specific rectangles that 5700 04:36:38.159 --> 04:36:40.319 are on the left and right sides of the page 5701 04:36:40.560 --> 04:36:43.439 were like the bass, and ones on the top and 5702 04:36:43.479 --> 04:36:46.200 bottom sides of the page where the treble, and he 5703 04:36:46.319 --> 04:36:49.200 just kind of played them in some kind of synthesizer. 5704 04:36:49.560 --> 04:36:51.959 He would know more about this than me, but essentially 5705 04:36:52.000 --> 04:36:52.919 it made a song. 5706 04:36:53.119 --> 04:36:54.279 We have permission to play it. 5707 04:36:54.360 --> 04:36:57.799 So for all the listeners, here is what Jim Beg 5708 04:36:57.880 --> 04:36:59.360 sent to Hanna at that point. 5709 04:36:59.439 --> 04:37:00.759 The rectangle whole song. 5710 04:37:18.880 --> 04:37:38.240 No, m. 5711 04:38:01.599 --> 04:38:04.400 Yeah, the thing is well, well, yeah, we know what 5712 04:38:04.439 --> 04:38:04.959 the thing is. 5713 04:38:05.040 --> 04:38:08.880 It doesn't sound like exactly a song, but it kind 5714 04:38:08.959 --> 04:38:12.279 of has us almost ending like it ends on a 5715 04:38:13.159 --> 04:38:15.639 like it kind of sounds like it ends at the 5716 04:38:15.720 --> 04:38:19.840 last rectangle, which is I think not intentional, but there 5717 04:38:19.880 --> 04:38:23.119 you go. And it does almost match a pattern, though 5718 04:38:23.119 --> 04:38:25.040 I think that's more to do with the fact that, 5719 04:38:25.119 --> 04:38:28.439 like I said, they have fewer patterns than this, and 5720 04:38:28.479 --> 04:38:30.439 so a lot of them just repeat. So you get 5721 04:38:30.439 --> 04:38:34.479 a lot of like repeating variations of these six notes. 5722 04:38:34.840 --> 04:38:38.520 And it's fine, it's fun. We have fun here. I 5723 04:38:38.560 --> 04:38:41.919 don't think this necessarily means anything, but if anyone in 5724 04:38:41.919 --> 04:38:45.360 the audience that is more musically inclined wants to make 5725 04:38:45.560 --> 04:38:49.720 a musical song out of these, please do. Maybe it'll 5726 04:38:49.759 --> 04:38:50.759 be cool if. 5727 04:38:50.560 --> 04:38:53.119 Someone wants to put on a Broadway musical with this 5728 04:38:53.279 --> 04:38:55.200 is the lamebow tief of the main character. 5729 04:38:55.720 --> 04:38:57.479 Yes, absolutely, yeah. 5730 04:38:57.560 --> 04:39:00.080 I'm waiting for the next whatever other Gravity falls Me 5731 04:39:00.599 --> 04:39:03.599 is released in the far future. I'm waiting for that 5732 04:39:03.720 --> 04:39:05.959 to be like the Rosetta stone of the rectangle. All 5733 04:39:05.959 --> 04:39:07.799 of a sudden, you're like, oh my god, like you're 5734 04:39:07.840 --> 04:39:09.880 just like up at three am and. 5735 04:39:09.840 --> 04:39:13.200 Then Honor will disappear because their mission on this Earth 5736 04:39:13.400 --> 04:39:14.000 has been. 5737 04:39:14.360 --> 04:39:18.639 Yeah, exactly, it'll be like finally I am free. 5738 04:39:19.000 --> 04:39:21.639 Atoms will return back to the universe at that point. 5739 04:39:21.720 --> 04:39:21.919 Yeah. 5740 04:39:22.159 --> 04:39:22.360 Yes. 5741 04:39:22.799 --> 04:39:27.439 There is a rectangle decoding forum on the subreddit discord. 5742 04:39:28.119 --> 04:39:30.599 They have a list of everything that has been tried, 5743 04:39:30.639 --> 04:39:32.479 and I'm just going to read off these things that 5744 04:39:32.520 --> 04:39:34.639 has been tried aside from the stuff that I see. 5745 04:39:34.919 --> 04:39:36.680 Oh my god, I love this episode. 5746 04:39:36.799 --> 04:39:39.520 Number one using the six different box sizes to try 5747 04:39:39.560 --> 04:39:42.560 and turn it into letters, but there's too few box sizes. 5748 04:39:42.799 --> 04:39:45.720 Number two, using the six box sizes and the spacing 5749 04:39:45.759 --> 04:39:48.520 between them a turn it into letters. Nothing they could detect. 5750 04:39:48.799 --> 04:39:52.639 Three converting to small boxes versus large boxes three by 5751 04:39:52.720 --> 04:39:56.799 three into Morse code, Bacon cipher or binary. Four converting 5752 04:39:56.880 --> 04:40:00.560 the boxes into hexamal. Five counting the numbers the boxes 5753 04:40:00.599 --> 04:40:02.959 on each page and taking that number through a one 5754 04:40:03.119 --> 04:40:07.159 Z twenty six. Six taking every single rectangle and putting 5755 04:40:07.200 --> 04:40:10.000 them over each other. Oh, they've made some really cool 5756 04:40:10.000 --> 04:40:13.959 images just overlaying these pages of rectangles. Seven taking every 5757 04:40:14.040 --> 04:40:16.639 single rectangle and putting them into a bar code format. 5758 04:40:16.759 --> 04:40:19.439 Eight taking every rectangle on a specific page and turning 5759 04:40:19.439 --> 04:40:22.639 it into an individual bar code format. Nine taking every 5760 04:40:22.720 --> 04:40:25.040 single rectangle out of page and turning them into musical 5761 04:40:25.080 --> 04:40:27.240 notes A to F, and that was what I mentioned. 5762 04:40:27.479 --> 04:40:31.200 Ten taking specific chunks slash patterns of the rectangles and 5763 04:40:31.240 --> 04:40:35.240 converting those into letters. Nothing happened. Eleven using the hex 5764 04:40:35.279 --> 04:40:38.799 CosIng part of coding the various rectangles, tried that nothing. 5765 04:40:39.000 --> 04:40:44.240 Twelve overlaying rectangles onto pages of the Great Gatspeed huh. 5766 04:40:45.599 --> 04:40:50.840 And they've apparently also tried every result from Caesar at Bash, 5767 04:40:50.880 --> 04:40:54.240 et cetera. Something that I feel like I need to say, 5768 04:40:54.319 --> 04:40:56.520 because I don't want to like give anyone false hope 5769 04:40:56.639 --> 04:41:00.759 or give you know, disappointment, But I need to say, 5770 04:41:01.759 --> 04:41:05.959 for every code that we've talked about in other languages 5771 04:41:06.119 --> 04:41:09.279 of the Book of Bill, there are prism, runic, et cetera. 5772 04:41:09.799 --> 04:41:13.759 Those codes are different in those books because they translate 5773 04:41:13.799 --> 04:41:17.639 to a different code and a different message. The rectangles, however, 5774 04:41:18.279 --> 04:41:22.279 are always the same. And that's something that we really 5775 04:41:22.319 --> 04:41:24.959 need to keep in mind. And that's probably, to me, 5776 04:41:25.080 --> 04:41:27.639 at least one of the final nails in the coffin. 5777 04:41:27.959 --> 04:41:33.279 Unless hypothetically the rectangles don't decode to letters, I think 5778 04:41:33.400 --> 04:41:36.279 I don't think it's a substitution cipher it probably maybe 5779 04:41:36.279 --> 04:41:38.000 it decodes to something else. 5780 04:41:38.240 --> 04:41:41.200 You're a much stronger person than me, Hannah, because this 5781 04:41:41.240 --> 04:41:43.080 is the kind of thing that would ruin my life, 5782 04:41:43.119 --> 04:41:45.919 like if I was if I was focused on it, 5783 04:41:46.000 --> 04:41:48.759 like I wouldn't. I wouldn't know like how to feed myself, 5784 04:41:48.880 --> 04:41:52.880 Like if I was this focused on Oh, you. 5785 04:41:52.840 --> 04:41:54.840 Want to know how I've been feeding myself, I've been 5786 04:41:54.880 --> 04:41:56.319 eating your lunch. Ella. 5787 04:41:56.439 --> 04:41:59.119 Well, that's true out of the fringe and conspiracies. 5788 04:41:59.520 --> 04:42:00.840 That's why are missing. 5789 04:42:00.599 --> 04:42:02.240 Now and old milk and old milk. 5790 04:42:02.439 --> 04:42:06.520 But I want to point out that Hannah, literally, like 5791 04:42:06.680 --> 04:42:11.720 data lists before them, crafted wax wings for their defensive 5792 04:42:11.759 --> 04:42:12.759 Ford PIDE's video. 5793 04:42:12.880 --> 04:42:16.279 And now you know why, Hanna, did you take my spaghetti? Play? 5794 04:42:16.360 --> 04:42:18.080 Wait, Hannah, was you? Were you the one who took 5795 04:42:18.080 --> 04:42:19.919 dipper spaghetti in Bottomless Bit? 5796 04:42:20.840 --> 04:42:28.560 This interview is over. I also really would be remiss 5797 04:42:28.560 --> 04:42:31.439 if I didn't add I am not in the like 5798 04:42:31.599 --> 04:42:35.200 theorizing game as heavy duty as the people in the 5799 04:42:35.279 --> 04:42:38.279 subreddit discord, right, I really want to be clear that like, 5800 04:42:38.439 --> 04:42:40.599 I am in there, and I'm keepping an eye on things, 5801 04:42:40.599 --> 04:42:43.200 and I'm occasionally trying things when I have downtime, which 5802 04:42:43.200 --> 04:42:47.240 I never really do because I work three jobs and 5803 04:42:47.319 --> 04:42:52.000 I'm always busy drinking expired milk. But I do want 5804 04:42:52.040 --> 04:42:55.240 to be clear that they are doing the bulk of 5805 04:42:55.279 --> 04:43:00.240 this work and trying the bulk of these things. And yeah, 5806 04:43:00.319 --> 04:43:02.479 like I want to give them a huge shout out 5807 04:43:02.520 --> 04:43:05.439 because even though Ella, you just said that I'm stronger 5808 04:43:05.479 --> 04:43:09.240 than you, they are stronger than me. I'm mostly in 5809 04:43:09.279 --> 04:43:12.360 the background here. I have passed on to the new guard. 5810 04:43:12.520 --> 04:43:14.759 If the food chain is to be believed, there's something 5811 04:43:14.759 --> 04:43:15.919 out there that could eat them. 5812 04:43:16.040 --> 04:43:18.840 Well, there's always a bigger fish. 5813 04:43:19.200 --> 04:43:23.240 Yes, I'm hoping that with enough expired milk, then I 5814 04:43:23.279 --> 04:43:32.439 can play my throne as most insane gravity falls hand. Ooh, Hi, 5815 04:43:32.919 --> 04:43:36.880 it's me Future Hannah. I'm the Hannah from the future. 5816 04:43:37.840 --> 04:43:43.279 I borrowed Blended Blendon's time take to go back in time. 5817 04:43:43.599 --> 04:43:48.040 Ooh is that anything? Did you like my sick gravity 5818 04:43:48.040 --> 04:43:51.919 falls reference? Kids? Anyways, I'm here to tell you all 5819 04:43:51.959 --> 04:43:55.479 that about a week after recording all of this, Annigan's 5820 04:43:55.520 --> 04:43:58.040 all this, one of the illustrators of Journal three and 5821 04:43:58.080 --> 04:44:01.040 the one who created direct Chain was in the first place, 5822 04:44:01.599 --> 04:44:04.360 actually got back to a fan from the gravity Fall 5823 04:44:04.400 --> 04:44:07.799 subrend at Discord who asked him about the rectangles. And 5824 04:44:08.040 --> 04:44:14.720 it turns out the rectangles don't mean anything, nothing at all. 5825 04:44:14.840 --> 04:44:18.159 So all of the theories that you have already listened to, 5826 04:44:19.080 --> 04:44:23.680 h yeah, they might not be anything. They're probably nothing. 5827 04:44:24.279 --> 04:44:28.400 And guys, I'm not pulling your leg. This isn't something 5828 04:44:28.599 --> 04:44:32.240 I wanted. This isn't something I'm making up to keep 5829 04:44:32.279 --> 04:44:35.799 the secrets of the rectangles to myself. This isn't a 5830 04:44:35.919 --> 04:44:39.279 lie from the corrupt offices, a big rectangle to get 5831 04:44:39.279 --> 04:44:42.840 you all to buy more rectangles. To the best of 5832 04:44:42.880 --> 04:44:46.560 my knowledge and to the way that I understand and believe, 5833 04:44:47.279 --> 04:44:53.279 the rectangles mean nothing. And I've spent eight years decoding 5834 04:44:53.360 --> 04:44:57.840 scribbles in the margins of a children's book. Anyways, I 5835 04:44:57.880 --> 04:45:00.000 guess I'm gonna time tape away. 5836 04:44:59.799 --> 04:45:00.080 Now, So. 5837 04:45:04.200 --> 04:45:06.159 Shall we move on to the next theory? Yes? 5838 04:45:06.319 --> 04:45:06.919 Absolutely. 5839 04:45:07.080 --> 04:45:09.000 This is sort of a classic theory that it made 5840 04:45:09.000 --> 04:45:11.880 a comeback thanks to Book of Bill that Bill is 5841 04:45:11.919 --> 04:45:14.759 a bird now. This was in place after the series 5842 04:45:14.799 --> 04:45:17.159 finale when we see a bird fly to the hand 5843 04:45:17.319 --> 04:45:20.799 of petrified Bill statue, and seems to be backed up 5844 04:45:20.840 --> 04:45:22.840 by the end of the Book of Bill, where a 5845 04:45:22.840 --> 04:45:27.680 bird is seemingly on the statue's hand as the eye glows. 5846 04:45:28.240 --> 04:45:32.279 In the Time Pirates Treasure the Aschloe says another form 5847 04:45:32.319 --> 04:45:35.000 another time than they assumed that meant the bird. 5848 04:45:35.080 --> 04:45:39.119 I mean they do talk about reincarnation in the therapism. Yes, 5849 04:45:39.240 --> 04:45:41.599 that's true, but that would imply that Bill has grown 5850 04:45:41.840 --> 04:45:42.880 after this book. 5851 04:45:43.319 --> 04:45:45.200 Yeah, do you want to read the next one since 5852 04:45:45.200 --> 04:45:46.200 it's about a goat? 5853 04:45:46.240 --> 04:45:46.400 Oh? 5854 04:45:46.479 --> 04:45:47.720 I should because it's about a goat. 5855 04:45:47.720 --> 04:45:48.360 You're so right. 5856 04:45:48.759 --> 04:45:49.919 So this is the. 5857 04:45:49.759 --> 04:45:54.360 Retroactive Gompers Bill connection theory, so from Censorfire on Reddit, 5858 04:45:54.400 --> 04:45:55.959 but likely others from the same time. 5859 04:45:55.959 --> 04:45:56.799 There was a theory back in. 5860 04:45:56.799 --> 04:46:00.000 The day pre twenty sixteen that Gompers is related to 5861 04:46:00.159 --> 04:46:03.159 Bill because of the horizontal pupils. Obviously, nothing in the 5862 04:46:03.200 --> 04:46:06.919 show ever confirmed that, and also goats just look like that. However, 5863 04:46:07.840 --> 04:46:11.000 in the Book of Bill, Bill confirms that goat's eyes 5864 04:46:11.080 --> 04:46:15.439 never changed when he possesses them, which gives retroactive leeway 5865 04:46:15.520 --> 04:46:16.639 to this theory. 5866 04:46:16.439 --> 04:46:18.959 Because it is you know, Gompers does happen to appear 5867 04:46:19.000 --> 04:46:21.479 in a lot of critical moments, which is part of 5868 04:46:21.520 --> 04:46:23.279 why people have bought that in the first place. 5869 04:46:23.319 --> 04:46:26.400 And also in the AMA When Bill was asked what 5870 04:46:26.520 --> 04:46:28.759 he thinks of Gompers, he responded, I like him better 5871 04:46:28.799 --> 04:46:34.040 this way. But it's so funny that him referencing this 5872 04:46:34.159 --> 04:46:36.599 movie that was happening at the same time as Gravity 5873 04:46:36.639 --> 04:46:42.880 Falls has weirdly flawlessly tied into both the Owl House 5874 04:46:43.040 --> 04:46:46.560 and an existing Gravity Falls fan theory that both are 5875 04:46:46.599 --> 04:46:47.720 referenced on that page. 5876 04:46:47.880 --> 04:46:50.360 I I did not know about the Vivich stuff. 5877 04:46:50.400 --> 04:46:52.639 What's thou like to eat spoiled milk? 5878 04:46:53.560 --> 04:46:53.799 Yes? 5879 04:46:53.919 --> 04:46:59.159 Please cnch crunch. Well, I was thinking about what I 5880 04:46:59.240 --> 04:47:02.520 was reading. All This is the stuff related to the 5881 04:47:02.560 --> 04:47:06.040 search for the Blind Eye website that existed a few 5882 04:47:06.119 --> 04:47:06.639 years ago. 5883 04:47:06.680 --> 04:47:09.439 Oh absolutely, I have you all. 5884 04:47:09.279 --> 04:47:11.439 Talked about this before on the podcast. 5885 04:47:11.639 --> 04:47:12.119 A little bit. 5886 04:47:12.200 --> 04:47:14.799 The idea that I like him better this way refers 5887 04:47:14.840 --> 04:47:16.000 to the transformation that. 5888 04:47:17.240 --> 04:47:21.400 Yes, right, The website did tell the story of a 5889 04:47:21.880 --> 04:47:25.880 wizard who was transformed by a witch implied to be 5890 04:47:25.959 --> 04:47:29.000 the hand Witch's sister into a goat. 5891 04:47:29.639 --> 04:47:30.680 Was she called the foot Witch? 5892 04:47:31.520 --> 04:47:33.639 No, I think she was maybe the ear witch. She 5893 04:47:33.799 --> 04:47:36.639 cursed his ear as well. I don't know. I'm making 5894 04:47:36.680 --> 04:47:39.479 stuff up at this point because I don't remember it 5895 04:47:39.599 --> 04:47:40.479 that much detail. 5896 04:47:40.680 --> 04:47:43.439 No, that's correct. Never trust a witch, they'll curse your 5897 04:47:43.479 --> 04:47:46.200 ear and turn you into an immortal goat. So I hear, 5898 04:47:46.400 --> 04:47:46.759 thank you. 5899 04:47:46.840 --> 04:47:48.840 Yeah. I talked about this for twenty minutes of my 5900 04:47:48.919 --> 04:47:50.799 Tell Who Stands video, or at least I felt like 5901 04:47:50.840 --> 04:47:54.799 that long, because there's just so much that we don't 5902 04:47:54.840 --> 04:47:59.439 know about Gomber's backstory, and yet they've given us some 5903 04:47:59.520 --> 04:48:01.200 more back story that we've wanted. 5904 04:48:01.400 --> 04:48:04.000 Yeah. Well, yeah, because it relies on not only does 5905 04:48:04.040 --> 04:48:05.919 it rely on the Search for the Blind Eye website, 5906 04:48:05.919 --> 04:48:08.159 but that code that shall be just quoted is from 5907 04:48:08.840 --> 04:48:12.200 Journal three. So it's like a multi platform thing. You 5908 04:48:12.279 --> 04:48:13.200 have to piece this together. 5909 04:48:13.319 --> 04:48:16.680 Wasn't there also a cryptogram or something in the three 5910 04:48:16.759 --> 04:48:19.840 DS game that alluded to Gompers being something else? 5911 04:48:19.959 --> 04:48:22.599 Three? Yes, the three DS game is that he's an 5912 04:48:22.599 --> 04:48:25.680 immortal guardian of the forest. So I don't think it 5913 04:48:25.720 --> 04:48:27.479 alludes to what he used to be, but it's what 5914 04:48:27.560 --> 04:48:29.119 he is now exactly. 5915 04:48:29.439 --> 04:48:32.360 And so what I see in the Book of Bill 5916 04:48:33.040 --> 04:48:37.279 this note where Bill specifically says, when I possess goats, 5917 04:48:37.479 --> 04:48:40.319 it's the only animal whose pupils don't change shape. 5918 04:48:40.360 --> 04:48:44.599 Hey, Hannah, what's the what's the shape of those goat pupils? Again? 5919 04:48:50.200 --> 04:48:54.479 Elongated squares has been hitting the memory gone again. 5920 04:48:56.360 --> 04:48:59.439 There is a five five five number in the Book 5921 04:48:59.439 --> 04:49:02.720 of Bill. Now, normally, of course, five five five numbers 5922 04:49:02.799 --> 04:49:06.279 are associated with whatever on TV. They want to have 5923 04:49:06.479 --> 04:49:09.240 a fake phone number that no one can actually call 5924 04:49:09.840 --> 04:49:14.759 and it doesn't actually go somewhere. But with this phone number, 5925 04:49:15.560 --> 04:49:19.880 if you call it, you hear a woman say hello 5926 04:49:20.119 --> 04:49:25.479 in an automated message. It also seems like if you 5927 04:49:25.639 --> 04:49:30.400 say specific phrases you get a response like wait, who 5928 04:49:30.400 --> 04:49:33.040 are you trying to reach? And then if you say 5929 04:49:33.080 --> 04:49:36.520 another response, if it like check something out on an 5930 04:49:36.599 --> 04:49:41.000 internal voicemail box, you get wrong number by and then 5931 04:49:41.040 --> 04:49:45.439 it hangs up. This is very weird because it seems 5932 04:49:45.520 --> 04:49:50.639 like this was not intentional. Someone actually asked Alex Hirsch 5933 04:49:50.759 --> 04:49:53.439 about this phone number at one of his book signings 5934 04:49:53.439 --> 04:49:56.319 at Barnes and Noble. I don't remember which specific one, 5935 04:49:56.439 --> 04:49:59.759 but he then said, yeah, no, that's not on purpose. 5936 04:50:00.240 --> 04:50:02.560 But what this means is that there is a five 5937 04:50:02.639 --> 04:50:04.599 fi five number in the book that goes to some 5938 04:50:04.759 --> 04:50:06.400 kind of automated message, which. 5939 04:50:06.240 --> 04:50:07.159 Is also hilarious. 5940 04:50:07.240 --> 04:50:09.919 The idea if he's telling the truth that Alex just 5941 04:50:09.959 --> 04:50:12.360 put a five to five to five number there being like, well, 5942 04:50:12.360 --> 04:50:14.599 those don't actually exist, so no one could call this 5943 04:50:14.680 --> 04:50:17.880 without checking, and apparently this is one. 5944 04:50:17.680 --> 04:50:20.240 Of the few five five five numbers that's real. 5945 04:50:20.720 --> 04:50:23.479 Yeah, who would anticipate that a five five to five 5946 04:50:23.560 --> 04:50:27.080 number would be real? That's been standard practice in TV forever. 5947 04:50:27.279 --> 04:50:29.880 Well, that's the thing is that usually there is a 5948 04:50:29.959 --> 04:50:32.799 rule applying to the four digits that follow a five 5949 04:50:32.840 --> 04:50:36.639 five five number, where numbers between a specific number and 5950 04:50:36.759 --> 04:50:40.919 another number are usually reserved for media. However, most people 5951 04:50:41.000 --> 04:50:44.119 kind of ignore that because five five five has become 5952 04:50:44.240 --> 04:50:48.560 shorthand into public lexicon for this is a fake phone number. 5953 04:50:48.759 --> 04:50:51.599 So there are a few times when different TV shows 5954 04:50:51.680 --> 04:50:55.159 or producers or whatever will use a phone number and think, 5955 04:50:55.200 --> 04:50:58.200 because it's five y five that this rule technically applies. 5956 04:50:58.599 --> 04:51:01.840 And it was because of them that the theorists in 5957 04:51:02.080 --> 04:51:05.240 the Gravity felt subfrat at discord went, well, wait, this 5958 04:51:05.319 --> 04:51:08.560 doesn't follow the exact rule. The four digits that follow 5959 04:51:08.599 --> 04:51:12.200 the five y five are not within this range, which 5960 04:51:12.200 --> 04:51:15.240 means it could be intentional and it could be real. 5961 04:51:15.520 --> 04:51:16.720 And they just didn't know. 5962 04:51:16.880 --> 04:51:18.840 Exactly, and they were looking at the fact that the 5963 04:51:18.919 --> 04:51:24.479 name Jess kind of matches, you know, Jess as in Jasslbrahm, 5964 04:51:24.880 --> 04:51:28.799 the character who was scratched out. So from their perspective, 5965 04:51:28.799 --> 04:51:31.240 there is a phone number in this book. When you 5966 04:51:31.319 --> 04:51:34.439 call it, you get the name of a character who 5967 04:51:34.520 --> 04:51:40.759 is an oracle of esoteric knowledge. And sometimes if you 5968 04:51:40.799 --> 04:51:44.959 say specific phrases, it triggers a response, not much of 5969 04:51:45.000 --> 04:51:50.200 a response, but a response. And so to respond to 5970 04:51:50.279 --> 04:51:54.119 the question that Jess sometimes asks, wait, who are you 5971 04:51:54.159 --> 04:51:57.720 trying to reach, they came up with a list of 5972 04:51:58.000 --> 04:52:03.279 five hundred different names to see if it triggered the response. 5973 04:52:05.000 --> 04:52:08.799 You know, the conversation you go, hello, Hello, who are 5974 04:52:08.840 --> 04:52:11.759 you trying to reach? And then if you've said the 5975 04:52:11.799 --> 04:52:15.400 correct name, then hopefully the idea is that you get 5976 04:52:15.439 --> 04:52:18.479 a good response. But none of these names were. 5977 04:52:18.560 --> 04:52:21.279 This is actually scaring me more than anything else that 5978 04:52:21.400 --> 04:52:24.720 Gravity Falls has, because we do not know why there 5979 04:52:24.799 --> 04:52:28.360 is this automated service, and we do not know what 5980 04:52:28.560 --> 04:52:30.400 is the thing that will trigger it to not say 5981 04:52:30.479 --> 04:52:33.560 wrong number. And I'm like, hey, we might have stumbled 5982 04:52:33.560 --> 04:52:37.520 on something weird or at least invasive here, And I'm 5983 04:52:37.599 --> 04:52:40.040 like getting goosebumps, kind of yeah. 5984 04:52:40.119 --> 04:52:42.360 I think it's also the fact that not only in 5985 04:52:42.759 --> 04:52:48.400 Cipher Hunt, but also in the Gus Spurnside arg there 5986 04:52:48.400 --> 04:52:52.560 were working phone numbers connected directly to gravity falls and 5987 04:52:52.599 --> 04:52:55.000 what was going on. So I think that's kind of 5988 04:52:55.080 --> 04:52:57.240 part of the thinking too, right, is that, well, we've 5989 04:52:57.319 --> 04:53:01.200 had phone numbers that worked before, so why would this 5990 04:53:01.200 --> 04:53:01.880 one be different? 5991 04:53:01.880 --> 04:53:03.799 And by the way, don't call this if you're listening. 5992 04:53:03.880 --> 04:53:06.000 If you feel strongly about it, you could also censor it. 5993 04:53:06.080 --> 04:53:09.400 But the phone number is what one hundred five five five. 5994 04:53:10.119 --> 04:53:16.240 Jo It wasn't until Alex specifically told a fad who 5995 04:53:16.279 --> 04:53:18.959 happens to be in the discord server that the number 5996 04:53:19.000 --> 04:53:22.040 didn't mean anything that they kind of backed off of 5997 04:53:22.119 --> 04:53:25.319 the theory and stopped calling this random five by five. 5998 04:53:25.200 --> 04:53:27.319 Numbers a random five five to five number that if 5999 04:53:27.360 --> 04:53:29.680 you did enter the right name of would reveal all 6000 04:53:29.680 --> 04:53:32.479 the secrets of Area fifty one and the Rosswall incident. 6001 04:53:32.520 --> 04:53:38.799 But oh well, no, don't encourage them. The name was Paul, 6002 04:53:38.880 --> 04:53:41.040 by the way, that would what you're supposed to say. 6003 04:53:40.959 --> 04:53:44.200 Sick Paul reference el. Yeah, you'll get in touch with 6004 04:53:44.240 --> 04:53:45.159 seth rogen if you. 6005 04:53:47.639 --> 04:53:51.919 So. On the page that establishes the therapism, there are 6006 04:53:51.919 --> 04:53:56.119 a bunch of various creatures and monsters of things that 6007 04:53:56.200 --> 04:54:00.159 are in various levels of security and various levels of healing. 6008 04:54:01.599 --> 04:54:05.479 Bill is listed as max security, but so is one 6009 04:54:05.479 --> 04:54:10.560 of the Flavor Pups, the Smile Dip Dogs that Nabel hallucinates. 6010 04:54:10.119 --> 04:54:12.040 One of Dos Flavor Pups. 6011 04:54:12.319 --> 04:54:16.319 Dos Flavor Pups which Mabel hallucinates in the inconveniencing and 6012 04:54:16.479 --> 04:54:20.319 there a therapism code under it translates to the beast 6013 04:54:20.560 --> 04:54:24.520 the worst. Yeah, which leads us to these next theories. 6014 04:54:24.799 --> 04:54:29.080 So this theory is labeled the Smile Dip Dog crimes. 6015 04:54:29.240 --> 04:54:31.159 And this from TV Trope's Wild Mascuts. 6016 04:54:31.279 --> 04:54:35.520 Yes, So what's written here is it's likely, given Alex's 6017 04:54:35.560 --> 04:54:39.080 sense of humor, that the seemingly harmless dog is actually 6018 04:54:39.360 --> 04:54:42.720 worse than Bill for whatever reason, and that even Bill 6019 04:54:42.880 --> 04:54:46.439 himself fears him, hence the need for such high security. 6020 04:54:47.119 --> 04:54:51.599 On the Gravity Falls subreddit, Roscoe s f writes completely 6021 04:54:51.680 --> 04:54:53.959 random theory about the Smile Dip Dog that I came 6022 04:54:54.080 --> 04:54:56.919 up with off the top of my head. Burst off. 6023 04:54:57.240 --> 04:55:00.840 I know this is a crazy, probably false theory. Please 6024 04:55:00.959 --> 04:55:05.000 don't spam the comments saying this is incorrect. So, thanks 6025 04:55:05.040 --> 04:55:07.119 to the Book of Bill, we now know that the 6026 04:55:07.119 --> 04:55:10.119 Smile Dip Dog is a creature as powerful as Bill 6027 04:55:10.200 --> 04:55:13.959 and is currently being held in the therapism. My theory 6028 04:55:14.279 --> 04:55:18.040 is that the creature is a sort of ancient interdimensional 6029 04:55:18.119 --> 04:55:23.159 deity that wants to control the world, maybe the entire multiverse, 6030 04:55:23.720 --> 04:55:27.759 maybe not, but definitely earth. I think that this deity 6031 04:55:28.240 --> 04:55:32.159 has some ability that lets it enter people's minds, similar 6032 04:55:32.200 --> 04:55:35.200 to Bill, but it does not quite work the same way. 6033 04:55:35.720 --> 04:55:39.840 While Bill can enter people's dreams or enter their heads 6034 04:55:39.880 --> 04:55:42.759 as part of some deal, I think the dog can 6035 04:55:43.159 --> 04:55:47.159 enter people's mindscapes without their consent or even without them 6036 04:55:47.200 --> 04:55:52.279 being aware of it. However, it can only enter someone's 6037 04:55:52.360 --> 04:55:56.759 mind if they are under the influence of something like drugs, booze, 6038 04:55:56.880 --> 04:56:01.799 or possibly toxic candy. The dog wanted to subtly take 6039 04:56:01.880 --> 04:56:05.159 over the Earth and not reveal itself until it was 6040 04:56:05.200 --> 04:56:08.200 in a position of power, so it took the form 6041 04:56:08.279 --> 04:56:11.439 of a cartoonish dog, which anyone would just assume was 6042 04:56:11.479 --> 04:56:15.680 a hallucination caused by whatever they are on. Although the 6043 04:56:15.759 --> 04:56:19.119 dog is not much of a deal maker, it would 6044 04:56:19.159 --> 04:56:22.680 sometimes get into contact with humans or try to manipulate 6045 04:56:22.720 --> 04:56:27.159 them into putting more substances into circulation. For example, it 6046 04:56:27.200 --> 04:56:31.159 could have worked with a higher up at the CIA 6047 04:56:31.720 --> 04:56:35.200 and gotten the ball rolling on mk Ultra, but. 6048 04:56:35.919 --> 04:56:38.040 I love that is so fun. 6049 04:56:38.080 --> 04:56:39.599 Yeah, it's a good one. 6050 04:56:40.080 --> 04:56:40.720 This is a. 6051 04:56:40.680 --> 04:56:43.799 Lot for those who didn't listen to our billsipher Ama 6052 04:56:43.919 --> 04:56:48.680 episode mk Ultra. Okay, so basically, the government wanted to 6053 04:56:48.720 --> 04:56:52.439 find out if mind control is possible and put a 6054 04:56:52.479 --> 04:56:59.840 lot of research into interrogating their Cuban guinea pigs, and 6055 04:57:00.119 --> 04:57:04.279 a lot of that involved the invention and eventual distribution 6056 04:57:04.919 --> 04:57:09.279 of LSD or as it's commonly known on the Street's Acid. Yes, 6057 04:57:09.919 --> 04:57:14.080 there's a fantastic episode of Behind the Bastards that goes 6058 04:57:14.240 --> 04:57:17.799 into every detail that is publicly it's alty classified now 6059 04:57:18.439 --> 04:57:20.000 other than the Smile Dip dog part. 6060 04:57:20.080 --> 04:57:24.560 I guess, I guess coming back. But the big thing 6061 04:57:24.560 --> 04:57:27.479 that connects it to the show is that when it 6062 04:57:27.599 --> 04:57:31.520 started up, a cult that worshiped it and got said 6063 04:57:31.720 --> 04:57:35.400 cult members to market and sell Smile Dip, a candy 6064 04:57:35.520 --> 04:57:39.880 laced with a subtle amount of hallucinogens, maybe something not 6065 04:57:40.119 --> 04:57:44.080 native to Earth, probably something that would not be easily detectable, 6066 04:57:44.400 --> 04:57:47.200 but was still strong enough to allow the dog into 6067 04:57:47.240 --> 04:57:52.720 consumers' mindscapes. The cult eventually faded away, as did Smile Dip. 6068 04:57:53.400 --> 04:57:55.959 While all this was going on. The dog had heard 6069 04:57:56.000 --> 04:58:00.159 of Bill. It knew he was trying to get to 6070 04:58:00.240 --> 04:58:03.080 Earth so that he could rule over it and likely 6071 04:58:03.119 --> 04:58:06.599 destroy it, so it tried to find a way to 6072 04:58:06.599 --> 04:58:09.439 stop him and hit a stroke of luck when he 6073 04:58:09.479 --> 04:58:13.040 found Mabel, who ate the entire shelf of expired smiled up. 6074 04:58:13.520 --> 04:58:16.159 It entered her mind and tried to give her a 6075 04:58:16.240 --> 04:58:19.799 warning that it hoped would stop Bill from entering the 6076 04:58:19.840 --> 04:58:28.599 third dimension, Must distrust Grunkle, but Mabel was too high 6077 04:58:28.680 --> 04:58:32.720 on sugar too realize. Eventually, the dog was discovered and 6078 04:58:32.759 --> 04:58:33.799 sent to the therapism. 6079 04:58:34.000 --> 04:58:37.919 The must distrust Grunkle is like an interpretation of what 6080 04:58:38.000 --> 04:58:41.360 the dog says to Mabel when you play it backwards. 6081 04:58:41.400 --> 04:58:44.040 It was never really confirmed at. 6082 04:58:44.080 --> 04:58:46.880 I mean, really, the only way to confirm any of 6083 04:58:46.919 --> 04:58:50.560 this is if someone here has been eating large quantities 6084 04:58:50.599 --> 04:58:53.240 of expired products, and you know where we're gonna find 6085 04:58:53.279 --> 04:58:55.279 someone like that. 6086 04:58:53.919 --> 04:58:58.599 I also heard must just trust grunkle, but I don't 6087 04:58:58.680 --> 04:59:01.439 have a grunkle, so just ignored it and kept eating. 6088 04:59:02.119 --> 04:59:05.360 What about the muscular dolphin? Did he say anything? 6089 04:59:06.400 --> 04:59:09.560 What happened between me and the muscular dolphins stays between 6090 04:59:09.560 --> 04:59:10.880 me and the muscular. 6091 04:59:10.479 --> 04:59:17.240 Dolphins that's fair. Last theory here comes from Peter Dagg 6092 04:59:17.479 --> 04:59:21.040 double O seven on the gravity falls subreddit Do you 6093 04:59:21.080 --> 04:59:25.959 believe Bill has ever seen Conway's Monster? In math, especially 6094 04:59:26.040 --> 04:59:29.400 in geometry, topology and group theory, there is a concept 6095 04:59:29.439 --> 04:59:32.240 known as the Conway's monster that is a group of 6096 04:59:32.279 --> 04:59:37.680 transformations as rotations, symmetry, or permutations that only exist in 6097 04:59:37.880 --> 04:59:42.159 eight times ten to the fifty third power dimensions eight 6098 04:59:42.279 --> 04:59:45.919 followed by fifty three zeros. I know there may never 6099 04:59:46.200 --> 04:59:49.319 even be any mention of the monster in ANYGF media, 6100 04:59:49.759 --> 04:59:54.520 but considering Bill so related to geometry and seeing higher dimensions, 6101 04:59:54.560 --> 04:59:56.759 I would love to believe that he could have seen it. 6102 04:59:56.840 --> 05:00:00.759 A further explanation on Conway's monster. It's also sometimes called 6103 05:00:00.799 --> 05:00:03.000 the monster or monster group. 6104 05:00:03.159 --> 05:00:05.599 I just call it Conway and then pedants get mad 6105 05:00:05.599 --> 05:00:05.840 at me. 6106 05:00:06.119 --> 05:00:15.159 Yeah. Actually the explanation comes from Hallboarts on the explain 6107 05:00:15.240 --> 05:00:18.560 Like I'm five subreddit, who says group theory, in some 6108 05:00:18.639 --> 05:00:22.319 sense studies types of symmetry. For example, an equilateral triangle 6109 05:00:22.639 --> 05:00:27.319 has a threefold symmetry, whereas a square has a fourfold symmetry. 6110 05:00:27.360 --> 05:00:31.680 These symmetries are objectively different. Mathematicians were interested in knowing 6111 05:00:31.759 --> 05:00:34.959 all the types of symmetries, so they categorized tons of them. 6112 05:00:35.159 --> 05:00:37.560 Think of symmetries as chemical compounds. 6113 05:00:37.680 --> 05:00:40.680 I will not for it. It's an imperative statement. It 6114 05:00:40.720 --> 05:00:42.840 doesn't say you can. It told me to. 6115 05:00:43.439 --> 05:00:47.080 Did Ford write this? There's so much here. 6116 05:00:47.240 --> 05:00:50.880 It turns out that some symmetries are really composites of 6117 05:00:50.919 --> 05:00:54.520 two simpler symmetries, like sixfold symmetry may really be a 6118 05:00:54.520 --> 05:00:57.959 composite of twofold symmetry and threefold symmetry. It turns out 6119 05:00:57.959 --> 05:01:01.200 that all finite symmetries are really a compounds of a 6120 05:01:01.240 --> 05:01:04.759 set list of simple symmetries. Simple symmetries are symmetries that 6121 05:01:04.840 --> 05:01:08.279 cannot be broken down like a prime number. Basically, so 6122 05:01:08.439 --> 05:01:12.599 simple symmetries are like chemical elements of symmetry. The monster 6123 05:01:12.880 --> 05:01:17.400 is a huge simple symmetry. Normally simple symmetries are much smaller. 6124 05:01:17.439 --> 05:01:20.439 It is very unusual that such a large symmetry has 6125 05:01:20.479 --> 05:01:23.799 no constituent components, be like if there was a random 6126 05:01:23.840 --> 05:01:26.880 element of astronomical size compared to the other elements like 6127 05:01:26.959 --> 05:01:28.200 oxygen and carbon. 6128 05:01:28.400 --> 05:01:32.240 I don't understand any of this. I have a learning disability. 6129 05:01:32.479 --> 05:01:34.360 I mean it makes sense to me that Bill would 6130 05:01:34.360 --> 05:01:39.000 be able to perceive something as freaky and mathematically unlikely 6131 05:01:39.040 --> 05:01:40.759 as that, going by. 6132 05:01:40.639 --> 05:01:43.240 The trends in the Book of Bill, He's probably with 6133 05:01:43.279 --> 05:01:43.720 this thing. 6134 05:01:45.240 --> 05:01:47.520 I was gonna say, I figure that Bill's gone out 6135 05:01:47.560 --> 05:01:49.799 drinking or played cards with Conway's monster. 6136 05:01:49.959 --> 05:01:56.759 Yea, absolutely, yes, only Bill can call him Conway Connie. Yes. 6137 05:01:58.799 --> 05:02:01.720 I think that like the amount of information that we 6138 05:02:01.799 --> 05:02:04.720 have about Gombers like as background info, and the amount 6139 05:02:04.720 --> 05:02:09.279 of information that we have about Schmebylock as background info, Frankly, 6140 05:02:09.360 --> 05:02:12.119 I would not be surprised if, you know, if this 6141 05:02:12.360 --> 05:02:15.759 much lore existed for the Smile dip Dog or for 6142 05:02:16.040 --> 05:02:19.279 the possible Codway monster. And I think that's really fun. 6143 05:02:19.439 --> 05:02:20.360 I love this series. 6144 05:02:20.919 --> 05:02:22.720 That's a great point is that, I mean, the Hall 6145 05:02:22.720 --> 05:02:25.000 of Conspiracy is kind of was founded on the idea that, 6146 05:02:25.119 --> 05:02:28.439 like we never confirmed or denied anything, not just because 6147 05:02:28.439 --> 05:02:30.159 we were in No Spoiler Podcast, but because it's the 6148 05:02:30.240 --> 05:02:33.400 kind of show where like you can't take anything for granted. 6149 05:02:33.560 --> 05:02:37.200 You know, you can't assume that anything is just gonna 6150 05:02:37.240 --> 05:02:40.400 be a joke, because they will always inject more lore 6151 05:02:40.520 --> 05:02:40.959 to something. 6152 05:02:41.159 --> 05:02:44.080 I mean, the main plot twist of this show is 6153 05:02:44.080 --> 05:02:47.880 that someone has a long lost twin in a way 6154 05:02:47.880 --> 05:02:51.279 and another dimension, which if you described it about any 6155 05:02:51.479 --> 05:02:55.639 series what sound fake as hell like Detective. 6156 05:02:56.759 --> 05:02:59.919 But it's just been an absolute dic. Such a kid 6157 05:03:00.479 --> 05:03:04.279 having you on here to talk about the first spoiler 6158 05:03:04.560 --> 05:03:08.560 full episode of the podcast and possibly the last episode 6159 05:03:08.599 --> 05:03:09.159 of the podcast. 6160 05:03:09.240 --> 05:03:12.200 This thing is jam packed with spoilers. 6161 05:03:11.759 --> 05:03:16.159 Well spoilers in the current moment, we're not predicting spoilers. 6162 05:03:16.319 --> 05:03:18.799 Thank you so much for joining us today. I mean, 6163 05:03:18.840 --> 05:03:22.200 you live here, but thank you for lending us your 6164 05:03:22.360 --> 05:03:24.000 rectangle flanged brain. 6165 05:03:24.439 --> 05:03:27.279 Thank you for letting me live in your walls, allowing 6166 05:03:27.400 --> 05:03:29.959 us to join you in our hall. 6167 05:03:30.159 --> 05:03:32.720 Yeah. Also, we should get you some like actual food. 6168 05:03:33.000 --> 05:03:35.880 I don't know if my stomach knows how to consume 6169 05:03:36.000 --> 05:03:40.200 actual food anymore, and just drinking expired milk for two years, 6170 05:03:40.279 --> 05:03:42.080 so I don't know if I could do that, but 6171 05:03:42.119 --> 05:03:42.680 I'll try. 6172 05:03:43.599 --> 05:03:47.799 So thank you enormously for taking your time out of 6173 05:03:47.840 --> 05:03:49.439 your day to be here with us. 6174 05:03:49.639 --> 05:03:52.279 Tell us where to find you and what you got 6175 05:03:52.279 --> 05:03:52.840 going on? 6176 05:03:53.040 --> 05:03:58.040 Oh absolutely so obviously you can find me on YouTube 6177 05:03:58.080 --> 05:04:00.200 at how to Hyperfixates, and you can check out some 6178 05:04:00.240 --> 05:04:04.439 of my way too long video essays about gravity Falls. 6179 05:04:04.479 --> 05:04:08.279 If hypothetically you enjoyed hearing me ramble on and on 6180 05:04:08.360 --> 05:04:11.240 and on about the minutia and the small details. 6181 05:04:11.319 --> 05:04:14.119 If hypothetically you've made it fifty four episodes into this 6182 05:04:14.240 --> 05:04:18.479 podcast and don't like gravity Falls, then you know not 6183 05:04:18.680 --> 05:04:18.919 for you. 6184 05:04:19.240 --> 05:04:20.400 Yeah, it might not be your thing. 6185 05:04:20.439 --> 05:04:23.040 For a game at the old college try Yeah. 6186 05:04:23.119 --> 05:04:26.200 You can also find me on Twitter how to hyperfixate 6187 05:04:26.279 --> 05:04:27.919 no s at the end Because I couldn't fit it 6188 05:04:27.959 --> 05:04:31.119 in and you would like to keep up with a 6189 05:04:31.200 --> 05:04:35.119 project that I am really passionate about. I have created, 6190 05:04:35.240 --> 05:04:39.520 with the help of some lovely mods, mystery twin mystery bags. 6191 05:04:39.840 --> 05:04:43.720 It's going to be a mystery bag full of Gravity 6192 05:04:43.759 --> 05:04:48.840 Falls fan products like key chains, acrylic standyes, posters. I 6193 05:04:48.959 --> 05:04:51.000 know for a fact that there's going to be some 6194 05:04:51.119 --> 05:04:54.319 handmade bath bombs by me and some handmade items made 6195 05:04:54.360 --> 05:04:58.400 by some other artists made of real hands with real hands. 6196 05:04:59.400 --> 05:05:04.000 Sticker is keychains. Buy more key chains. As crincle Stead 6197 05:05:04.040 --> 05:05:08.520 would say. 6198 05:05:06.799 --> 05:05:09.479 You just made me remember one of my favorite gas 6199 05:05:12.759 --> 05:05:14.880 subtle hidden messages. 6200 05:05:16.000 --> 05:05:20.159 It's a very good cab. I but you especially should 6201 05:05:20.200 --> 05:05:23.080 buy more key chains because one hundred percent of the 6202 05:05:23.159 --> 05:05:27.439 proceeds are going directly to aid for the people of 6203 05:05:27.520 --> 05:05:31.759 Gaza who have been so badly impacted by violence there. 6204 05:05:31.959 --> 05:05:35.479 This is going to aid for innocent civilians, and as 6205 05:05:35.560 --> 05:05:39.040 a Palestinian person myself, this is a cause that I 6206 05:05:39.119 --> 05:05:42.400 care a lot about. We have a team of like 6207 05:05:42.759 --> 05:05:46.680 forty different artists helping, including some names that you've probably 6208 05:05:46.759 --> 05:05:49.680 heard of. So if you would like to check that out, 6209 05:05:50.040 --> 05:05:53.840 please check out Mystery Twin Bags on Twitter or Mystery 6210 05:05:53.840 --> 05:05:57.080 Twin Mystery Bags on Tumblr, or just checked out the 6211 05:05:57.159 --> 05:05:59.919 pinned tweet on my Twitter at how to hyperfix It. 6212 05:06:00.400 --> 05:06:03.639 I'll definitely be dropping updates on my YouTube channel as well. 6213 05:06:03.720 --> 05:06:06.319 Yeah, and if you want to find more episodes of 6214 05:06:06.400 --> 05:06:09.880 this podcast, well there is fifty three of them and 6215 05:06:09.919 --> 05:06:13.279 then some change with bonus episodes and as far as 6216 05:06:13.439 --> 05:06:16.759 most of you are concerned, no more. Last episode again 6217 05:06:16.919 --> 05:06:18.000 we didn't cry this time? 6218 05:06:18.439 --> 05:06:20.520 Well not, yeah, there's still time. 6219 05:06:21.840 --> 05:06:22.840 Why would you say that? 6220 05:06:24.520 --> 05:06:27.040 You can find all of those, such as our previous 6221 05:06:27.080 --> 05:06:31.880 interview with Alex Hirsch on Cypherhunt at pipe dreampodcast dot com, 6222 05:06:32.159 --> 05:06:34.840 where there are other shows like Escape from Vault Disney, 6223 05:06:34.880 --> 05:06:36.080 How did This Not get made? 6224 05:06:36.159 --> 05:06:39.159 Come on Hookah pods and pod made You special. 6225 05:06:39.360 --> 05:06:41.080 There you can find a link to our show's social 6226 05:06:41.119 --> 05:06:45.279 media's Discord server and our patreon patreon dot com slash 6227 05:06:45.319 --> 05:06:48.319 mystery shack, where if you didn't check out our last 6228 05:06:48.720 --> 05:06:53.080 post here on the feed, we revealed we are doing 6229 05:06:53.200 --> 05:06:54.080 a new thing there. 6230 05:06:54.119 --> 05:06:55.439 It's called remembering. 6231 05:06:55.599 --> 05:06:56.560 Yeah, sorry about that. 6232 05:06:56.680 --> 05:07:00.560 For just three dollars a month, you could listen to 6233 05:07:00.680 --> 05:07:04.720 us Me, Shelby and Ella rewatch Stephen Universe together. It 6234 05:07:04.759 --> 05:07:08.439 doesn't go this deep into the weeds. It's just us 6235 05:07:08.479 --> 05:07:11.680 in rewatching a show we like and discussing it. 6236 05:07:11.840 --> 05:07:12.200 Yeah. 6237 05:07:12.360 --> 05:07:14.880 Thank you to Alex Search for voicing Stan and the 6238 05:07:14.880 --> 05:07:17.919 Hall of Conspiracies intro, as well as for being here 6239 05:07:18.319 --> 05:07:19.400 earlier today. 6240 05:07:19.520 --> 05:07:21.279 He's a hard man to get in touch with, so 6241 05:07:21.400 --> 05:07:24.240 the fact that every way schedule he's still made sure 6242 05:07:24.279 --> 05:07:27.319 he has an ad for us, He's delightful. 6243 05:07:27.520 --> 05:07:30.400 The Hall of Conspiracy theme is lental dentist remix of 6244 05:07:30.400 --> 05:07:33.159 our first episode by Simon the Dimbo B two hyphen zero. 6245 05:07:33.400 --> 05:07:35.720 Got a link to that full song in the description. 6246 05:07:36.040 --> 05:07:38.360 Thank you to Prian Bryan for making the instrumental to 6247 05:07:38.439 --> 05:07:41.000 our theme song. I actually wrote the theme song and 6248 05:07:41.040 --> 05:07:44.639 you can find it at lchsre dot bancamp dot com 6249 05:07:44.680 --> 05:07:48.040 and you can find me at drawn without ref on 6250 05:07:48.240 --> 05:07:51.680 the social media's yeah, what about? What about? What about 6251 05:07:51.680 --> 05:07:52.159 the rest of us? 6252 05:07:52.159 --> 05:07:55.040 Here? Oh, you can find me at c h A 6253 05:07:55.240 --> 05:07:58.119 r l E y m A r l o w 6254 05:07:58.360 --> 05:08:02.880 E Charlie Marlow with an even seven to seven letters. 6255 05:08:02.919 --> 05:08:09.279 That's on YouTube and Tumblr and Patreon. I'm not in 6256 05:08:09.360 --> 05:08:13.000 as many places as I used to be, but I 6257 05:08:13.040 --> 05:08:15.000 have been. I've been good. 6258 05:08:15.040 --> 05:08:15.759 How about you, guys. 6259 05:08:16.959 --> 05:08:21.040 I've been doing an abridged series of the Zelda cartoon 6260 05:08:21.479 --> 05:08:25.159 that's just the most charliest thing I have ever produced. 6261 05:08:25.680 --> 05:08:29.040 It is sort of an act of gender expression, my 6262 05:08:29.159 --> 05:08:32.119 first time voicing a female character. I voiced both Link 6263 05:08:32.159 --> 05:08:34.880 and Zelda, and Link uses say them pronouns in the series. 6264 05:08:35.200 --> 05:08:40.400 Ella and Shelby have helped enormously with it. Hannah hasn't yet, 6265 05:08:40.759 --> 05:08:41.080 you know. 6266 05:08:41.759 --> 05:08:45.000 Something, But if I have free time, I would love to. 6267 05:08:45.520 --> 05:08:48.520 I think I might be free In twenty twenty six. 6268 05:08:49.360 --> 05:08:53.240 I am on most social medias at Shelby Sessler, just 6269 05:08:53.279 --> 05:08:55.840 my whole name. I'll go ahead and I'll plug the 6270 05:08:56.040 --> 05:08:59.720 comics that I did, their Moon Meg on Instagram's comics 6271 05:09:00.240 --> 05:09:04.000 and the Magpie win Abane prequel videos that I do 6272 05:09:04.360 --> 05:09:06.560 just so if you want to know what the Windebane 6273 05:09:06.639 --> 05:09:09.360 information is, you can sort of get a little bit 6274 05:09:09.360 --> 05:09:10.599 of backstory and understand. 6275 05:09:10.680 --> 05:09:10.759 Now. 6276 05:09:11.279 --> 05:09:12.000 Those are so good. 6277 05:09:12.040 --> 05:09:13.639 I also wanted to give a shout out to my 6278 05:09:14.200 --> 05:09:18.360 wonderful friend Sam. They recently mailed me in physical mail 6279 05:09:18.799 --> 05:09:23.720 a lovely print that they drew of Grunkle Stan and Compey, 6280 05:09:23.959 --> 05:09:28.520 who is the dinosaur from Journal three that imprints on 6281 05:09:28.680 --> 05:09:33.159 Stan after the events of Lambefore Swine. It's for sale 6282 05:09:33.159 --> 05:09:35.720 in there, Etsy, and we can link that in the description. 6283 05:09:36.279 --> 05:09:37.959 But they just they said it to me in this 6284 05:09:38.240 --> 05:09:40.279 in such a loving way, like with this whole little 6285 05:09:40.560 --> 05:09:44.080 letter with that which had codes on it, and of 6286 05:09:44.119 --> 05:09:48.159 course a wonderful drawing of Bill Seipher, but also just 6287 05:09:48.200 --> 05:09:51.680 said just a thank you for making such a cool podcast, 6288 05:09:51.919 --> 05:09:54.000 and also because I just think you'd like the drawing. 6289 05:09:54.240 --> 05:09:56.799 It's based on the extended Journal three plot of Lambefore 6290 05:09:56.799 --> 05:09:59.400 Swine where Stand steels and hatches a dino egg. Though 6291 05:09:59.400 --> 05:10:01.680 I'm sure you're remember that, haha. I hope this gets 6292 05:10:01.720 --> 05:10:04.919 to you safely Stay Weird from Sam and it's just 6293 05:10:05.479 --> 05:10:09.520 so awesome. So you can follow them at at Radical 6294 05:10:09.639 --> 05:10:14.759 Underscore Bears their at s shop is Radical Bears Cartoons, 6295 05:10:15.639 --> 05:10:17.319 so we will link all that in the descriptions. You 6296 05:10:17.319 --> 05:10:19.639 can check out this awesome print and this awesome artist. 6297 05:10:19.799 --> 05:10:24.520 Also, please check out the new documentary on Cipher Hunt 6298 05:10:24.520 --> 05:10:29.680 that Ken Carlyle did. Alex harsh is also interviewed in it, 6299 05:10:29.799 --> 05:10:35.599 and we contributed a little cameo, so did Hannah. 6300 05:10:35.639 --> 05:10:37.439 It's god literally everything. 6301 05:10:37.520 --> 05:10:37.759 I mean. 6302 05:10:37.759 --> 05:10:40.400 I think part of the goal must have been like, Wow, 6303 05:10:40.439 --> 05:10:43.840 that Cipher podcast is pretty pretty pretty good. You might 6304 05:10:43.880 --> 05:10:47.040 have to work pretty hard one up them, to be fair, 6305 05:10:47.080 --> 05:10:47.639 he did so. 6306 05:10:47.680 --> 05:10:49.360 Some of the questions that we asked Alex today were 6307 05:10:49.360 --> 05:10:53.000 actually submitted on our discord server by various listeners and 6308 05:10:53.040 --> 05:10:55.720 from friends of the show and even some docents, So 6309 05:10:55.799 --> 05:10:57.479 we want to give a shout out to those folks, 6310 05:10:57.479 --> 05:11:01.319 including Simon Chrissy e are one two. 6311 05:11:01.319 --> 05:11:03.599 EU that's actually er twelve view. 6312 05:11:03.680 --> 05:11:07.040 Ah yeah, sorry, it's just not my native language. I'm 6313 05:11:07.080 --> 05:11:12.479 not elite speaker natively. There's also ko oh, my our docent, 6314 05:11:12.639 --> 05:11:15.119 Mary and Lady Aloha. 6315 05:11:14.560 --> 05:11:17.560 Ella and I have been working together. 6316 05:11:17.319 --> 05:11:20.520 For almost exactly ten years. As a matter of fact, 6317 05:11:20.560 --> 05:11:22.639 we just guested on an episode of In Each Tree 6318 05:11:22.759 --> 05:11:26.599 Telling to talk about our first ever collab. So if 6319 05:11:26.599 --> 05:11:29.680 you enjoyed hearing us here, please listen to us reminisce 6320 05:11:30.159 --> 05:11:33.319 on the episode of Any Tree Telling titled How the 6321 05:11:33.360 --> 05:11:37.400 Grunkle Stole Hanukkah. Also, I recently guested on the new 6322 05:11:37.599 --> 05:11:41.639 Escape from Valt Disney on an episode of WandaVision, and 6323 05:11:41.720 --> 05:11:42.560 Ella was on an. 6324 05:11:42.439 --> 05:11:45.360 Episode of the podcast Not One Right Way. 6325 05:11:45.799 --> 05:11:48.919 And one of my partners, Saskia, has been doing commissions 6326 05:11:48.959 --> 05:11:52.560 for candy with a K, basically Friendship bracelets. There's a 6327 05:11:52.560 --> 05:11:54.759 link to their deepop. In the description, they said they're 6328 05:11:54.759 --> 05:11:57.119 going to start doing gravity falls ones and also they 6329 05:11:57.119 --> 05:11:59.880 do custom commissions. They're really cute. Please buy one. 6330 05:12:00.000 --> 05:12:03.319 Well, this has been a great you know, final for 6331 05:12:03.360 --> 05:12:06.520 the foreseeable future, I guess episode of the podcast. Definitely 6332 05:12:06.520 --> 05:12:07.400 know others that we have. 6333 05:12:07.520 --> 05:12:09.360 There are some futures you can't foresee. 6334 05:12:09.400 --> 05:12:12.000 But yeah, oh my god, this has been three hours. 6335 05:12:13.279 --> 05:12:15.639 Oh it's been longer because don't forget there's a whole 6336 05:12:15.680 --> 05:12:17.000 Alex hersche interview before this. 6337 05:12:17.279 --> 05:12:18.279 Oh my god. 6338 05:12:19.240 --> 05:12:22.759 So if you listen to this podcast while driving to work, uh, 6339 05:12:23.040 --> 05:12:23.759 get a job. 6340 05:12:23.560 --> 05:12:26.319 That's closer to you, start applying or maybe. 6341 05:12:26.000 --> 05:12:28.919 You should, like you know, petition your local government to 6342 05:12:28.959 --> 05:12:30.880 do something about the traffic, because it could be a 6343 05:12:30.919 --> 05:12:32.000 short commute. 6344 05:12:31.639 --> 05:12:34.400 But still you work ten minutes away. 6345 05:12:34.599 --> 05:12:38.200 But so that interview with Bill towards the beginning of 6346 05:12:38.200 --> 05:12:41.400 the podcast, we put up on Twitter as kind of 6347 05:12:41.439 --> 05:12:45.599 a teaser for a Patreon cut of the episode, and. 6348 05:12:45.520 --> 05:12:48.200 It went absolutely viral. 6349 05:12:48.439 --> 05:12:51.040 We got fan art, we got people lip syncing to 6350 05:12:51.119 --> 05:12:51.880 it on TikTok. 6351 05:12:51.919 --> 05:12:53.599 The response has been insane. 6352 05:12:53.880 --> 05:12:58.720 Yes, yes, and we gained by our account and by 6353 05:12:58.759 --> 05:13:02.080 Patreons over eighty new Patreon supporters. 6354 05:13:02.080 --> 05:13:02.439 Thank you. 6355 05:13:03.279 --> 05:13:06.400 The way we've always done things on this podcast, listen 6356 05:13:06.560 --> 05:13:09.400 past the ending song. On previous episodes, we always have 6357 05:13:09.520 --> 05:13:12.840 like a little skit where someone usually one of the 6358 05:13:12.880 --> 05:13:16.240 official gravity Falls cast or crew members, plays a Gravity 6359 05:13:16.240 --> 05:13:19.080 Falls character and gives a reason that they're listing names. 6360 05:13:19.400 --> 05:13:23.599 That is not a funny skit with ninety plus names. Yeah, 6361 05:13:23.799 --> 05:13:29.080 I think there's a medium more tailored to saying many things. 6362 05:13:29.159 --> 05:13:31.319 Well, what medium would that be, Charlie. 6363 05:13:31.080 --> 05:13:34.080 Well, a small medium at lark. 6364 05:13:36.080 --> 05:13:37.080 Do we know any Hope? 6365 05:13:37.159 --> 05:13:39.159 I think we've got a wittle old friend. 6366 05:13:39.479 --> 05:13:43.319 And now the mystery shack look back Patreon shoutouts roll 6367 05:13:43.439 --> 05:13:44.799 due by Little. 6368 05:13:44.680 --> 05:13:47.560 Gidium Patti y'all, We just want to extend a big 6369 05:13:47.599 --> 05:13:50.400 old thank you too, and did Apple Junior Bropedi Piranha 6370 05:13:50.439 --> 05:13:53.520 plant Obie friendly local geek. They even cancel Paranica Sacris, 6371 05:13:53.639 --> 05:13:56.880 Veronica Hope, Ddy driffud Nikki Brass, Lavenders and Draca Bury 6372 05:13:56.959 --> 05:13:59.840 the Monkey, Madison, This and It Spinosa A Spriky Prickson, 6373 05:14:00.040 --> 05:14:04.080 Cjubu Lation, Mombletina d mumble Tina and Cookie Verpallina, Keilena Bradford, 6374 05:14:04.080 --> 05:14:07.360 Audrey Comrio, the brain Worm, Foxes Sko Graven Lebtmino rais 6375 05:14:07.400 --> 05:14:10.319 a saint you brother Suspiri a rum, keep it together, 6376 05:14:10.400 --> 05:14:13.040 gleeful you got this. 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I have no name and 6390 05:14:50.680 --> 05:14:52.880 could go for a good scream. Anonymous, Joe Myosota, Sofrey 6391 05:14:52.880 --> 05:14:59.159 Set one Man, support us, Patreon dot com, Slash Mystery Shack, 6392 05:15:00.799 --> 05:15:03.439 Oh Sweet Marry and Joseph Hang Gotta take a to 6393 05:15:03.560 --> 05:15:03.599 you