Speaker 1: And we're back, so we kind of got a double. Well,
we do got a double today in a sense. So
I'm trying to think of how the best way to
relate is.
Speaker 2: So we got one.
Speaker 1: I got a for sure news, Okay, I got an
S tier casting, I got a B tier, but it's
definitely to me solid gonna happen, which is the Florence Pugh.
Speaker 2: And then I got a bunch of rumors to do
with Brand New Day.
Speaker 1: And that kind of happened from even when me and Tayo,
like we said, newsmen porn out so to start with
this to B tier. But again, this is the guy
that said that Pedro is playing read so and we
cover his news a lot. So he had put out
today that Florence Pugh is going to be in Brand
New Day. No idea what the role is, the size
of the role, but Florence Pugh is going to be
in there, and that was reported by the Tray's day
that I would me get his name there, it's what
the hell is his name? I know its last name
is Tilman, Tremuell Tilman. Yeah, so you know him right
because he's in set. Did you end up finishing season
two Sevnce.
Speaker 3: No, but he's in season one, so.
Speaker 2: Okay, good good. So did you just walk away from
season two? Exep from then?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got four episodes in and dipped.
Speaker 4: I might come back, but yeah, I don't have Apple
TV anymore, so it's one of those things where I don't.
I kind of just forgot about it and people keep
telling me to finish it.
Speaker 3: So maybe someday.
Speaker 1: Okay, And then I do have a bunch of just
kind of random rumors to concern with, not only this
Spider Man movie, but some I'm going forward. But what
were your two thoughts about Tilman? He's playing supposed to
be a villain. The the word is, it's not the
main villain, but we don't know. Does that mean it's.
Speaker 3: Like a there's vils everywhere in this week?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Like is that like a Tombstone Ramrod where he
plays a side film that just gets beat or is
he a you know, a Norman Osborne or somewhere It's like, oh,
they're a villain, but they're more like a setup.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: I I there's not really any there's a bunch of
theories out there, but yeah, what are you thinking of that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So you have to remind me what what are the
possible characters he could playing.
Speaker 2: So we had Tarantula, we had Ramrod. Uh, there's been.
Speaker 1: Tombstone talks out there, and I think that that I
can try to quickly look actually in my my documents
here from the last couple of boot newscasts, but those
were some of the ones Ramrod, Mrod.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at some images online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, half cyborg, half man, which I oh, I don't
know if.
Speaker 4: I feel like his severnth performance a little robotic at
times in like a good way.
Speaker 3: Now I could see him being in a half cyborg.
I could see that.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, is that like because all I've heard because
you didn't see Mission Possible. He's in the latest Mission Possible.
He kind of has like a scene stealing. I'd say
he's in there for like twenty minutes. He's really good
in that, and I still want to see servance at
some point. But I've heard nothing about good things about
this guy. There was rumors back in February when Marvel
was looking to recast Kang that apparently he was on
the short list. Oh okay, yeah, so but my thing
is that where it's like if he's one of these,
like trans the Ramrod guys. It's like, from what I've
heard about these, this actor feels like he does not
fit the guy that gets beat in the montage, or
he's like the side villain, right like that. That's my
only hold up of like either one he's not that
or two I would question his agent because I just
feel like like he's got it.
Speaker 2: It's I think he's got a lot of heat on.
Speaker 3: Him, you know, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 4: I just I don't know if, like what I especially
when I google Ramrod, Like, I don't think that is
what we're gonna see on screen in this movie.
Speaker 3: Right Like, I think it would be a different version.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he would be like naked with
like a little bit of a cyborg breast like upper
breastplate kind of thing. Like what's what's the guy's actual name?
Let me see if I can find that information.
Speaker 2: The other one was.
Speaker 3: Parent doesn't have a canon name, but I think they.
Speaker 4: Would give for Ramrod non according to the The other
one was Boomerang.
Speaker 2: That was the other one list.
Speaker 1: It was Ramrod Tombstone trans to Boomerang and all the Scorpion,
but Scorpion off he has been cast alright now, so
those other four are up in the air.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I I yeah, I mean, Spider
not the kind of hero to kill off villains. So
I don't think many of these people are dying anyway,
so maybe they could come back again in the future.
But I could see him playing this kind of guy,
But like I said, I think it would be not
as comic Bookie, you know, he would be you know,
maybe a bit more.
Speaker 3: Serious, played off in a way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I could see him being that, well, that's
the first one that comes to mind. But like, as
well as I know Spider Man, these are some kind
of obscure villains, right, so I don't even know a
lot of.
Speaker 3: These guys super well.
Speaker 4: Looking at Boomerang, you know, I can see him pull
that off too. That could be kind of cool, but like,
I don't yeah, I don't know. I don't think he's
like a huge enough star that would warrant him being
like the main villain of a thing necessarily.
Speaker 3: Obviously, Severance is pretty big.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm the main vilm But to play like Boomerang,
that's that to me is I think that's an offervious
slide back.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, if you just got some.
Speaker 1: You know on you I really don't know, maybe some
of these because I think a lot of these are
We've heard rumblings that there's gonna be kind of like
a montage of a lot of these characters getting beat up.
Speaker 2: So I don't even think it's gonna be like a
sinister six or five scenary where they all team up.
Speaker 1: And the only one that I think that I'm kind
of fine with on this list is Tombstone because I
feel like Tombstone obviously he's a bigger villain.
Speaker 2: I think he could carry forward.
Speaker 1: I actually think his voice, like Tombstone always has like
a very deep voice, So I think Tillman's voice is
it's not deep, but it's unique where it kind of
works for a Tombstone. I think so because I don't know,
and I don't we talked about on Tuesday. There has
been more scuttle but of like a symbio going in here, but.
Speaker 4: Like to just pull it straight from friendly neighborhood, Like
if we get that Tombstone but just like you know,
twenty years older in his.
Speaker 3: Journey, Mmm, that could be a good fit.
Speaker 4: Like that would be interesting obviously, Tombstone rather than being
played by like some weird ghoul like he often is
in the series.
Speaker 3: Obviously is like a black character in that.
Speaker 4: So just putting that one to one connection there, but
that that could be interesting and man like Tombstone in
that shows somewhat a well done job of like evolving
that character from a regular goon who gets absolutely as
like the first half of the episode to being like
super dynamic and have a lot too. Obviously, I don't
think we'd get into that backstory here, but like that's
where MCU fans can kind of feast on something like this.
We're like, hey, you can imagine almost, like that's what
the backstory would be like, pull from friendly Neighborhood if
you want to fill in the gaps of who Tombstone
could be. But if not, you can still just be
like a fun villain in this thing. But yeah, I
think that's a good pitch. I like Tombstone more than
my Ramrod pick. I'll put Ramrod on the bench again,
and I'll.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I thought you could be right, because
you know, credit to our patrons people in Chad always
see what Mike did bring a good point. John Malcovitch
just got cut from F four, so Marvel's not pass
plating good actor and think less role. So you know what, Yeah,
I take that back. He could be Trancha. He could
be ram Rock because John Malkovich is Academy Ward nominee.
Like he's I'm not gonna say it's like a massive
star name, but like he's one of the bigger ones,
and yeah, they just cut him like nothing, So yeah,
you're right.
Speaker 2: You could just could just be a paycheck and he's
in there for a little bit.
Speaker 1: And because yeah, I don't think there's anybody else in
this movie, like, especially now that we got Florence p
this is getting to be a hefty movie. And if
these we don't know exactly, it's just little breadcrumbs. If
the symbio which is looking like it's in this movie
is in the movie, that's like a whole nother adentum
of stuff that's going on. So that's where it's like,
I don't think. I'm just so curious what they're going
to real to be who this main villain is because
there is so much. But yeah, that was the other
news we got was Lawrence Pew and that's, uh, that's
very exciting.
Speaker 3: That's so, that's you're telling me that's a beer tier, though.
Speaker 2: That's not Yeah, that's a bee tier. But I'm pretty
I'm very confident that the person that put.
Speaker 4: Out for reading the headline I pulled the Taylor Field
because I saw that in the discord and I was like,
oh damn, I can't believe that's happening.
Speaker 3: But I guess it's not percent yet.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'd say it's like a ninety percent. I
think it's I think it's happening. I I you know,
I'm not saying that this guy's gone everything right before,
but I think it is happening.
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, what what would you do with Lena
and Spider Man? Because you got houlging there?
Speaker 4: I got here for a fucking scene with John Bernball
and I'll just watch that scene six thousand times on
his Disney plus imagine those too.
Speaker 1: One.
Speaker 4: Like the characters that they play in MCU, I think
could be really fun together. But also just like I
don't know, have they acted in the movie together. I'm
not sure, but like I want to think. I want
to see that, so I I want to it's tricky man.
Anything we talk about Spider Man now, it's like, Okay,
this movie already has a lot going on. Now we're
gonna throw Florence Pew in the mix. So, like, does
that mean that she's kind of relegated to like one
scene or two in the mix, but like not really
having you know, a big impact on the plot, which
would be too bad because she's great.
Speaker 3: But I you know, I'm greedy. I'll take whatever Pew
I can get.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so okay, remind me, the timeline would be
this movie's coming out and then we're getting and then
we're getting Doomsday later on.
Speaker 3: So I guess.
Speaker 4: I don't know, would this be a stepping stone to
explain how the thunderbolts, like, because obviously they're all confirmed
they're in the chairs. Uh so we know they're in Doomsday.
Would this be like a place to explain a stepping
stone of that? And it remind me again, Punisher, is
that before Doom as well?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that might even end up being before
Spider Man.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think is Sperman.
Speaker 3: Imagine she's also a Punisher and we just got a
little one two run.
Speaker 1: Now you're getting a greedy Now you're getting a greedy Yeah.
Speaker 4: But I think because right now, I don't know, does
it make a whole lot of sense for them to
be in there. I guess they are the Avengers kind
of to if you ask uh Valentina, But.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a bit of world building there of explaining
that even though, and maybe she's just kind of the
representative obviously because the rest of them. Throw the rest
of them in there, that's crazy, that's too much. You
gott to tone it down, Marvel at some point. But
I'm I, I, yeah, I desperately hope this happens. I
think I would love to see it. She would fit
well in the spidy spidy realm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think there's two routes that could go.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna be this route where I
feel she could be a bridge to doomsday. And she
is a person because what do we hear in the
Thunderbolts post credit right that they are the Avengers, and
then Sam's putting together his own team. I wonder if
there could be kind of the setting stage of her
as there's a race for Thunderbolts and Sam to recruit
Spider Man, right, like they get to him first before
Sam does, and X, Y, and Z, So it could
be just as simple as that, which I think works, like,
out of all the Thunderbolts, who you're gonna get that
makes the most sense. Spier Man has no connection to anybody,
so if you're gonna get someone, you should get Elayna,
who has the most cloud and people really like and
I think it's and it's been fun to see both
of them in interviews. People have been sharing the clips
them both saying like, who do you want to work
with the most MSU?
Speaker 2: And they both had listed each other. So I think
that's kind of fun.
Speaker 1: And I think like Elayne and Peter have like that's
a fun dynamic. So I hope what they can do
is the two things where it is that. But what
I would like is the way I've talk about before. Okay,
so Spider Man's alone and he's gonna be a little
bit depressed. Well, that fits with Frank, right, Frank's always alone,
always depressed, and I'm sure Spierman's got some anger going on.
That's where I think the Hulk thing's gonna tie in, right,
Like Frank's an angry guy, Hulk's gonna be an angry
guy again with the Thunderbolts, Julayna was going through all
that too, about being alone, being depressed, not wondering, like
having no one wondering, whatever.
Speaker 2: Purpose was, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Like there is a through line of that character is
going through similar things of Peter, and I'm assuming what
they're gonna do with Punisher and Hulk. So that's why
I hope they kind of somehow do It could also
just be like I said that she shows us to like, hey,
we really like you being the adventure. Think about what
they did with Nick Fiery and Iron Man two where
he popped up multiple times just to kind.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, pitch Tony like things up.
Speaker 1: She could just be that, which again I think this
movie could have a good possibility of being that where
I don't think Iron Man two is the worst movie,
but the biggest critique that movie is, oh, it's just
a big setup movie. And now it's like you have
three different msue other characters, you have all these villains,
Supposedly you got Sadie Sink, who might be Gwen Stacy,
might be someone else, we don't know. So that's where
it's like, that is my only work, especially to have
some other rumors here about the Spider Man trilogy.
Speaker 2: It's like that.
Speaker 1: That's my only worry about this movie that it could.
I don't want to hear too much into Hey, we
got a lot coming up, so we're gonna use this
movie to springboard, not saying that won't be not say successful,
but I just I still, especially after No Way Home,
would like to see Tom. I hope we don't lose
the core of what it is and which a good
thing is noy Home didn't. That's one thing to give
its credit. That had a bunch of illains, that had
Toby and Andrew by then they was still a movie
to service Tom Holmes Spider Man. So I hope that's
what Pew's in here for. But she could also just
be one action seeing.
Speaker 2: Hey, you should really join our Avengers.
Speaker 1: You can't trust Sam, you can't trust da and then
boom off the races.
Speaker 4: Well, because we know that Holland is not in Doomsday, right,
because of the conflicting scheduling with Odyssey, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but because that movie's in December now, I think
there's wiggle room if they want to get him in there.
They can't, especially like the fact that Ryan Reynolds is
in there. Yeah, there it's see tier rumors. But there's
see tier rumors that Sean Berthnell's in the Secret Wars.
I think that with me and Tarry Tom wis where
I think with Thunderbolts, Cap and F four. I think
with the box off, they're really worried, so I think
they're loading this stuff up.
Speaker 2: So I think Tom Holland finds his way in.
Speaker 4: Gi me, let me throw another theory then, Okay, So
Hulk rampaging around the city destroying shit. He's mind controlled,
and they're like, how do we get him to call
him down? They think, who is able to do this?
Black widow is able to do this? What if we
go grab her sister? Maybe she can help. Maybe she
knows Bruce like, maybe that's the way you pull her
into the plot in some way. And you know, I
don't I hope they don't do like sounds getting real low,
Like I don't want that line with her because that
would just be a little too on the nose. I mean,
sometimes Marvel's really on the nose obviously in terms of
her like superhero landing, you know, doing that kind of joke.
Sometimes they do that kind of stuff. But what if
that's the reason that she's in this she gets pulled
in to help with this task, and then that's kind
of their ergo like a connection point for a vendor stuff,
or like if Spidy gets pulled into that, like maybe
because obviously he doesn't know anyone, as you said, but
like maybe he meets her through this opportunity and they
gets pulled in that way. So I don't know, maybe
there's something a little something something there.
Speaker 2: You kind of reminded me.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they pullman because the anger, but
I do actually want to see those two characters interact
because I feel like Bruce would have, you know, some
sort of not connection, but just like if he was
close with Italian Natasha knowing she has a sister, and
maybe even she you know, they could say off screen
that she shared that to him. She didn't share that
to many people, because I know because obviously Clint knew that.
Speaker 2: They talked about the Hawkeye, so maybe Bruce could be
another one.
Speaker 1: They're thinking about running away together, right, so you feel
like you might mention you as sister. So I do
hope that happens because I think that's been some of
the issues with the MCU recently, where there's a lot
of good connections. And that's why I did like Thunderbolts
because you got all those characters together and they kind
of bounce off of past interactions or you know, like
all this stuff with Red Guardian and Bucky or John, right,
they refer to, Hey, all these people are linked without
even being linked, right, even if they've never met Red
Guardian because the super Soldiers see him is linked to
Bucky and linked to John.
Speaker 3: Same way the web is crazy, yeah.
Speaker 1: And same way Elena is linked to Bruce right because
of Natasha, Right, And that's where out of all this
and I'm happy he's there. But that's why just John
Berthall is just the funniest.
Speaker 3: Her and Bruce are her punisher. If you only get
one seed.
Speaker 1: I think i'd I actually would go with Bruce because
I just worry.
Speaker 2: Bruce, like I think Hulk.
Speaker 1: Needs some juice, where I think punishers always gonna have juice.
I think you just get Frank on screen to be punisher.
With any Marvel character, there's gonna be some interesting dynamic.
I think Bruce needs something for us to like chew
on right, because then shee Hulk he was just there
to just to he's like the video game NPC tutorial
guy guy like, that's what he was for? She yawk, right,
and then what else is he have been? He's been
a sung che end credit scene and is that Anson's endgame?
Just those two things she haul Okay, here's my son
Scar and then sung she I think that's is Oh
my god.
Speaker 3: I feel like he us one more thing, but I
can't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: I feel like it is too, but I it's not
coming to mind. So, but that's where the thing is.
Speaker 1: That's how bad that is, right, if it is, there's
nothing that's that we're thinking of. The only reason I
remember somenging she is because that was setting up King,
which obviously didn't happened. And then I remember she helped
was we just met on Scar all the time. So
it's like I'm remembering Hulk for great stuff.
Speaker 3: So if there was a lot of Hulk things, but
he was not in Brave New World, right, No he
was not.
Speaker 2: No, that could have been. Again, that's another thing. That's
where I worry though.
Speaker 1: Right, we talked about that they brought back liv Tyler,
no Bruce in sight whatsoever. Right, they'll have a montage
of newscasters being like Bruce Banner's ex girlfriend, but they didn't.
Speaker 2: Tie that together.
Speaker 1: So the same way, there is a good possibility y
Elena could be in this movie and they just missed
the layup of Oh yeah, they never interact or have
anything to do with Hulk, use she doesn't even mention Hulk,
and we've seen that before where I fake sometimes they
get too busy.
Speaker 2: So I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's looking like it, but let's hope not.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then just some other stuff to throw out there,
out into the webs.
Speaker 2: Here, where is it here?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, my my mousepad is broken?
Speaker 2: So that's great. Oh I don't think it actually is.
It's just not opening it. These are some updates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, these are some updates here, some other just these
are all Sea Tier rumors. But I don't think this
is anything that's crazy. The next trilogy is gonna be
Tom holmes last, Like I think we all kind.
Speaker 2: Of know that.
Speaker 1: I feel like six is the the handout to Peter
the Villains, I guess. So far, Marvel and Sony have
had an idea to try to not plan it out
film by film, but they kind of have like an
idea of where they want to go, and I guess
the film the villains have been tossed around for the
next kind of trilogy is the Prowler, Hammerhead, Tombstone, Venom, Kingpin.
Speaker 2: So that's why my hope of like.
Speaker 1: Tilman being Tombstone will be great if it's like a
setup prow Like I had pitched this to Taylor where
I feel like the trajectory, I don't know, see how
you feel about this.
Speaker 2: My pitch is if the symbiode.
Speaker 1: Is in this movie and it's on Scorpion, because the
actor keeps posting Instagram so like he's just I don't
think he can hold his tongue.
Speaker 2: And did you see the discord the Symbiosis poster controversy.
Did you see that all last week? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, even the club though they said, all we have
nothing to do with those posts, that's not us, so like
there is like some stuff going on.
Speaker 2: But my pitch was that, in.
Speaker 4: What world are they just like posters saying that, Like
that's so weird.
Speaker 2: I don't know because we just don't know what happened
to the black guy.
Speaker 4: What happened in like the Vendom movie. But I don't
think that would happen in the MCU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what happens for some reason if that black
goo in no way home is being used for other
science stuff for I don't know, right, they got left.
Speaker 2: We don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 4: It just was in a bar, come in to do
like some you know, get money to get paid to
do this research.
Speaker 3: Or something like that.
Speaker 2: It could be right, and Scorpions.
Speaker 4: Advertise it as this really sketchy looking thing, like I
don't know.
Speaker 1: That's that's true. The black and white that is that
is sketchy. But I do think they are gonna get
to Venom because I've been pitching this. What I'm gonna
say is Tom Holmes's gonna get the black suit in
the Avengers movies, and that's how you're gonna get him
to fight Toby and Andrew.
Speaker 2: That's my prediction right now, because that's how you can
do that king Pin. Yeah, I hope that is true.
Speaker 1: But then and the Prowler one, oh god ohe okay.
The Prowler, to me, that just makes the most sense
because one, that's Donald Glover, so that's great. And two
I just feel like that's when you start to get
into you can set up Miles right, Like I feel
like that here in the Prowler.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not calling him spin, I'm not calling him.
Speaker 1: It's so funny as talking to We were in the
pool and I was talking to Ellie because the the Scorpion.
Speaker 2: News going on.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, is there a charname Scorpion and uh
Spidey and friends? And she goes, no, there's no Scorpi,
which is so funny because I'm like, they would call
him that because they call spider Man Spidey, and they
call Goblin Gobby. They never once called him green Goblin.
He is Gobby. So it's funny that she like, just
because the show determined, yeah, he would be called Scorpion.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1: You're right, Like it's just funny the mind of a
three year old, like, yeah, he would, they would just
call him Scorpy. But due to the events, so she
helped him brave New World. Bruce is at his wits
end and insanely stressed because his fear of people having
the access to become the Hulk is a reality fair,
which yeah, I guess it's fair, for sure, I guess so.
But is that his battle really to do? Like I
guess he created it a bit, but it's just like,
is that, like I don't know, there's a whole world
of heroes that like does he have to.
Speaker 3: Stress that thing?
Speaker 4: You know, Like that's like his trademark people are it's
like copyright infringement illegal.
Speaker 2: That's why I really worry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is one again that I think was a
note that Toby Andrews's story will conclude after Secret Wars.
It's like, yeah, I don't think I think Sony already
missed the boat there. We could have got more, but
I think that will close that loop, whether they die
or not. And then years again of course can't wait.
And then the last one I had here it was
right now. Again, don't know who the character is, but
say he sings character specifically this is an ally to
Peter but not to Spider Man.
Speaker 2: So again that's just give me a war. Hope it's Gwen.
I really hope it's I really hope it's Gwen. I
hope we're going down that that route right there, so
bringing on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Espo says, I feel like the symbols supposter
would just be like in the background detO or Easter
not something important to the movie. I agree, but it
is still weird, like when Dylan says in the world right,
like why would it be there?
Speaker 2: But unless that's just them trying to like.
Speaker 4: Egg us On sne in far from Home and mysterios
like in Peter's head and he's in like that poison
like fake world. I feel like in that see like
a picture there being like weird symbiosis posters. That's what
I could see it like a scorpion or scorpion hits
someone like a poisoned dart.
Speaker 3: He's tripping out and he sees a poster.
Speaker 2: Sure, why not scorpy my goodness? Yeah, yeah, no, we'll see.
So no, that's everything. I'm very excited though to get
either way.
Speaker 1: The fact that like maybe I didn't say this, I
feel like it's a given. You know, he brought Pew Boys,
like I think Pew and Anything's like that enhances movie.
But also very excited for her and Tom Holan have
a scene you though we're booking like, oh, we'd like
birth now, we'd like haul her and Hall and alone
is There's gonna be some good stuff there, so I uh,
I can't wait And Hopefully that's some good team dynamics
for maybe Avengers or Secret Wars or whatnot. But speaking
of a team dynamics and Avengers, we got some rumors
here where, so I'm gonna hit you. Luckily, this news
came out today and you're a doctor strange guy, so
good thing I can hit you with that.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna hit you with this one first