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Speaker 1: Our guest today is Harry Phones, Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 1: Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, on the ever
Speaker 1: increasing peril of being an ice agent in sanctuary cities. Harry,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us in this edition
Speaker 1: of the Realist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2: Of course, Matt happy to join you. Well.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I know you've been extremely, extremely busy. Give
Speaker 1: us the latest now on what is happening in Minneapolis
Speaker 1: after last week when a woman there, Renee Good, looks
Speaker 1: to according to video, appears to have struck an ice
Speaker 1: officer with her vehicle. The ice officer then, in a
Speaker 1: move to protect himself, fired his weapon and fatally shot
Speaker 1: Miss Good. Of course, a lot has happened since then.
Speaker 1: If you wouldn't mind. It is an update on first
Speaker 1: and foremost where all of that stands today.
Speaker 2: No, of course, Well, you know we all saw on
Speaker 2: Friday that new video that was released showing the view
Speaker 2: from the officers perspective. I think that really cleared up
Speaker 2: a lot of the misconceptions that were about this. You know,
Speaker 2: we been extremely clear that we are supporting our officers,
Speaker 2: and I think that video does a lot of justice
Speaker 2: that this individual followed as training. You know, anybody else
Speaker 2: in that situation you would have fear for your life
Speaker 2: looking at Since then, one of the big things the
Speaker 2: Secretary was actually in Minneapolis that night. She said the
Speaker 2: same thing is this is not going to deter us
Speaker 2: from doing our job. And we've had officers deployed there
Speaker 2: since this. They are making arrests, they're enforcing the laws
Speaker 2: in this nation. They are unfortunately again you've seen the
Speaker 2: videos that have been coming out of Minneapolis since then,
Speaker 2: they are not facing support. They are facing attacks against them.
Speaker 2: Almost every day there's been some type of an assault
Speaker 2: on federal officers. We're still seeing vehicles being used against officers.
Speaker 2: Last night we saw fireworks being launched against officers. This
Speaker 2: is not this is this is a very hostile situation,
Speaker 2: and it's feeds into all the attacks that our officers
Speaker 2: are facing, and it's just it is very despicable. It's
Speaker 2: sad to see this because again, their core mission is
Speaker 2: they are trying to make American community safer. They're enforcing
Speaker 2: laws in this nation. They're getting the worst and the
Speaker 2: worst out of our out of our communities, and that's
Speaker 2: something you know, especially from the Department. We're trying to
Speaker 2: highlight a lot. You know, we're finding murders, rapist, gang members.
Speaker 2: They're doing this cross country, but we are continuing to
Speaker 2: do that mission in Minneapolis, and we are not going
Speaker 2: to be deterred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Harry, I wrote a piece for the Federalists this
Speaker 1: week and it begins this way, calling all rational Americans,
Speaker 1: I mean, no matter what your view is on policy,
Speaker 1: take a look at the videos. Understand what is happening here.
Speaker 1: Here are the thieves, child rapist and murderers. The left
Speaker 1: latest false martyr was fighting for Renee Good, the thirty
Speaker 1: seven year old radical fatally shot last week by the
Speaker 1: Immigrate and Customs Enforcement agent she appears to have struck
Speaker 1: with her SUV was part of a leftist resistance movement
Speaker 1: that tried to stop ICE from arresting criminal illegal immigrants
Speaker 1: like Hernan Cortes Valencia, the Mexican foreign national who had
Speaker 1: a final order of removal dating back more than nine years,
Speaker 1: has been convicted of sexual assault against a child, sexual assault,
Speaker 1: carnal abuse, and four DUIs according to DHS. And the
Speaker 1: list of these awful, awful people go on and on.
Speaker 1: That ultimately, to those of us watching here and wondering
Speaker 1: why all of these massive and violent protester going on
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis and elsewhere, that's who they're trying to protect,
Speaker 1: it appears to us, is that the case as you
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 2: I mean that's how I see it. I think that
Speaker 2: this is a two part is. One is you're seeing
Speaker 2: the tactics that are being used against the officers, so
Speaker 2: you obviously have the impeding our operations. You know, anybody,
Speaker 2: every child, if you talk to them, is you know,
Speaker 2: should you be trying to stop an officers or trying
Speaker 2: to arrest a criminal. A child would be able to
Speaker 2: tell you no, that's something that you shouldn't do. You know,
Speaker 2: they're they're threatening. Our agents are facing in eight thousand
Speaker 2: percent in death threats. The assault rate is obviously up
Speaker 2: that we always talked about is thirteen hundred percent increase
Speaker 2: in assaults. There's been a three two hundred percent increase
Speaker 2: in vehicle attacks. And the mission our officers are trying
Speaker 2: to do is what you just said. We're trying to
Speaker 2: get criminal, bad guys off of the street who they're defending.
Speaker 2: You know, we just sent out earlier today some of
Speaker 2: the folks that we've arrested in Minneapolish we got an
Speaker 2: armed robbery of a business, uh in decent exposure, selling meth,
Speaker 2: selling cocaine, criminal sexual conduct. These are the people that
Speaker 2: they're trying to prevent us from getting out there. And
Speaker 2: I just think it's totally ridiculous that if you were
Speaker 2: to ask, you said, it's the call for sanity and
Speaker 2: the call to reason is if you were to ask
Speaker 2: anybody is would you want to be helping or hindering
Speaker 2: the officers getting these people off the streets? Most people
Speaker 2: should say I would want those people out of my community.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, and understandably. So take a look at their
Speaker 1: their long and violent criminal rap sheets. There these are,
Speaker 1: as we said, killers, rapist, child molesters. It's just it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised by any of this given the years
Speaker 1: of folks like Governor Tim Walls describing ICE agents as
Speaker 1: Trump's new Gestapo.
Speaker 2: You know, and we have been calling for this the
Speaker 2: entire time. So there's there's two parts with this. Is
Speaker 2: it's the rhetoric you're seeing out of these left point politicians.
Speaker 2: They're spearing our officers. You know, if you are just
Speaker 2: being constantly everything, everything, every day, our officers are being
Speaker 2: compared to the Nazisans of the Gestapo, which is just wrong.
Speaker 2: That should be that should be stopped. Like I mean,
Speaker 2: I graduated with a history degree, Like these guys do
Speaker 2: not know their history clearly, right, and that just is upsetting.
Speaker 2: But the other part is is these guys are going
Speaker 2: into like the reason we are in Minneapolis is because
Speaker 2: these politicians aren't doing their job. We're having to go
Speaker 2: in because they're sanctuary jurisdictions and they don't want to
Speaker 2: work with law enforcement. These officers are putting their lives
Speaker 2: on the line to clean up these communities that have
Speaker 2: literally made the laws that are forcing them to go
Speaker 2: into it. You know, somebody I want to quote is
Speaker 2: you know with Chief Bavino with Border Patrol is out
Speaker 2: of Minneapolis, and he has said this really best. He
Speaker 2: just was in an operation in New Orleans and they're
Speaker 2: was one assault because they were able to work with
Speaker 2: the local police departments. We've already seen more than I
Speaker 2: believe it's two dozen assaults in a week on officers,
Speaker 2: and it's because they're not able to actually work with it.
Speaker 2: We want to work with state and local governments. We
Speaker 2: have a great you know, in the midst of all
Speaker 2: of all that is going on, I also like to
Speaker 2: highlight the good. We have a robust program, it's called
Speaker 2: the two eighty seven G program where we are working
Speaker 2: with state and state and local jurisdictions across the country,
Speaker 2: which is, hey, a guy goes into a local jail,
Speaker 2: they do an immigration search, so hey, we've got a criminal.
Speaker 2: They let us know and we're able to take care
Speaker 2: of it so that that person is not released back
Speaker 2: into the community. And it's because of these sanctuary policies
Speaker 2: that we can't do that in a place like Minneapolis,
Speaker 2: so we have to send officers in there to again
Speaker 2: enforce the laws of the nation.
Speaker 1: So what do you think of the sort of allegations
Speaker 1: you're hearing from the likes of Tim walls, and do
Speaker 1: you think that maybe he has a vested interest in
Speaker 1: his constituents in Minnesota and the rest of the country
Speaker 1: talking about something other than the massive Somali welfare fraud
Speaker 1: scandal in Minnesota right now, Well.
Speaker 2: I think we've all seen a lot of the facts
Speaker 2: having to do with this fraud scandal, and you know,
Speaker 2: I kind of want to leave that there. Each a
Speaker 2: SI which is under us is doing investigations. One want
Speaker 2: to get ahead of it. What we're seeing certainly raises
Speaker 2: my eyebrows. But I think that there is this this
Speaker 2: is the consequences of actions has happened, which is that, Hey,
Speaker 2: there's all this rage of we're going to say we
Speaker 2: want sanctuary jurisdictions. We're going to do this without any consequence,
Speaker 2: it doesn't cost anything. We're just going to appeal to
Speaker 2: this rhetoric. We're going to appeal to to you know,
Speaker 2: these really radical ideas of we're just not going to
Speaker 2: enforce the laws of this nation, and that is we're
Speaker 2: not letting that stand. We are going to enforce the
Speaker 2: laws of this nation, and so that's forcing us to
Speaker 2: come in. And this is a consequence of again, their actions.
Speaker 2: So we're going in there and doing that. You know,
Speaker 2: we are going to go in and get criminal legals
Speaker 2: out of there. I kind of think it's probably embarrassing
Speaker 2: when it is, Hey, these guys that you are trying
Speaker 2: to demonize are having to go in and clean up
Speaker 2: your community, you know. I think that that's the really
Speaker 2: big thing. Again, I always want to stress is we
Speaker 2: don't have to do this in a lot of other
Speaker 2: parts of the country because people are actually working with us,
Speaker 2: and that's what law enforcement is about. Here, we have
Speaker 2: to because they aren't working with us.
Speaker 1: Like a halfway decent attorney, I asked some questions. I
Speaker 1: know the answers to, but what do you think would
Speaker 1: have been the response from the politicians in Minnesota, the
Speaker 1: leftist politicians across the country and Minnesota and Minneapolis resident
Speaker 1: in general had it been the other way around, had
Speaker 1: Missed Good killed the ice officer with her vehicle, Well, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to get too much into hypothetical, but I
Speaker 2: hope they would have condemned it. And that's something that again,
Speaker 2: the rhetoric is only encouraging action against our officers. It
Speaker 2: would be really nice to see our leaders stand up
Speaker 2: and say, hey, let's not demonize these brave men and
Speaker 2: women who are putting their lives on the line to
Speaker 2: do this. We should be thanking them. Friday was Law
Speaker 2: Enforcement Appreciation Day. I don't think that we're getting a
Speaker 2: lot of thanks from the far left politicians that are
Speaker 2: spreading this kind.
Speaker 1: Of rhetoric, No, no doubt about that. And there's a
Speaker 1: there's a great video out there. I'm not sure if
Speaker 1: you've seen it, Harry, but it really drives I think
Speaker 1: this whole point home. There's a gentleman in I believe
Speaker 1: it's in Minneapolis. He walks up to some ice agents
Speaker 1: and he says, folks, listen, I'm not choosing sides here,
Speaker 1: but I know you have a very difficult job. I
Speaker 1: want to pray over you, and I want to I
Speaker 1: want to pray that that you conduct your mission and
Speaker 1: you're you're able to be safe and effectively come home
Speaker 1: to your families, because that's really what it is. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day.
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 1: All the suburb or prank for everybody, but.
Speaker 2: Also for you, and just thank you. It's it's not easy.
Speaker 2: We're not taking sides in any of this, but we
Speaker 2: know that it has not been easy for you guys.
Speaker 2: He's your protection, the blessed your conversation to thank you
Speaker 2: for his confidence. They'll just blessed him and Ben say
Speaker 2: the Lord betrayed for a journey that there would be
Speaker 2: loved being the people in the offices in Jesus.
Speaker 1: What a stark contrast that is, Harry, to the sort
Speaker 1: of vitriol we're seeing on the streets of Minneapolis by
Speaker 1: a certain percentage of citizens of this country. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen that exact video, but I think that
Speaker 2: that sums it up, is that, you know, we should
Speaker 2: be praying for these officers. I do every day, and
Speaker 2: again I'm very thankful when I get to talk to them,
Speaker 2: and we would hope that people would be thanking them
Speaker 2: for what they're doing. It shouldn't be this demonization. What
Speaker 2: people forget is that these officers are husbands, wives, brothers, sisters,
Speaker 2: They have families. They are waking up every day and
Speaker 2: doing the job that they signed up to do, and
Speaker 2: it's for a noble purpose, which is to enforce the
Speaker 2: laws of the nation. And I keep breaking back to
Speaker 2: that because you hear this that they're they're racist, they're
Speaker 2: doing these things just because of this or that. It's no.
Speaker 2: We are a nation of laws. They're enforcing it. They
Speaker 2: signed up to do this. I'm sure there are a
Speaker 2: lot easier jobs out there than what they're having to
Speaker 2: do every day that they could be doing. But instead
Speaker 2: they're waking up, they're doing what's right, They're doing their job,
Speaker 2: and I think that that's them. Again, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: the video. That's a sentiment that should be out there
Speaker 2: more versus the rhetoric that we see about these guys
Speaker 2: and guys and women. And just at the first response
Speaker 2: by to many people ish you're a Nazi.
Speaker 1: Right, that's their first response to all of this. And
Speaker 1: as you said before, know your history first and foremost.
Speaker 1: Our federalist radio hour listeners may be familiar with this,
Speaker 1: perhaps not. But the ice officer involved was in a
Speaker 1: similar situation, I believe, back in June in a suburb
Speaker 1: of Minneapolis, where a criminal illegal immigrant ICE was trying
Speaker 1: to apprehend, ran over him and dragged him in the
Speaker 1: vehicle for I believe fifty yards according to the DHS report,
Speaker 1: What must have gone through this gentleman's mind as he
Speaker 1: was facing what seemed to him and to many of us,
Speaker 1: a clear and present danger.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean again, that video that came out on Friday,
Speaker 2: that's from the officer's perspective is night and day. Everybody
Speaker 2: I've talked to and I go, what would you have
Speaker 2: done in that situation? You can see that now it's
Speaker 2: it's light and day. It takes away so much of
Speaker 2: the issis that we're made against the officer the only
Speaker 2: and I can only imagine, you know, all the things
Speaker 2: that we're seeing, I mean, the amount of death threats
Speaker 2: he's getting, and again it's not just him, it's all
Speaker 2: of our officers. A six I'm sorry, it's an eight
Speaker 2: thousand percent increase in death threats wow against officers, staggering.
Speaker 2: The amount of assaults every day. When you're waking up
Speaker 2: to go do your job and you've got that high
Speaker 2: of a percentage that you're going to interact with somebody
Speaker 2: who's going to try to assault you while you're doing
Speaker 2: your job, I can only imagine. I mean, it has
Speaker 2: toway heavy. But these guys are men and women are
Speaker 2: going out there every day and doing doing what they're
Speaker 2: supposed to. And again we should be thanking them because
Speaker 2: we see the fruits of their labor, which is all
Speaker 2: these criminals that are going out. You know one thing
Speaker 2: I'd like to highlight. Obviously, we put out a lot
Speaker 2: of press releases. We have a website. We actually just
Speaker 2: added five thousand new criminal legal aliens to it yesterday.
Speaker 2: It's wow dot DHS dot gov. Wow dot DHS dot gov.
Speaker 2: And we've created a database where you can go in,
Speaker 2: put your state in, and you can see just some
Speaker 2: And this is not not a full database. It's just
Speaker 2: some of the criminals that we have we have gotten
Speaker 2: under this administration. And you look at all them and
Speaker 2: you would think, man, I'd like to thank the person
Speaker 2: who got that person out of my state. I don't
Speaker 2: know how you can look at it and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think we probably should have let it. Just like
Speaker 2: you said, we probably should have not allow a murder
Speaker 2: or a rapist to just keep remaining in a community.
Speaker 1: Our guest today on this edition of The Federalist Radio Hours,
Speaker 1: Harry Owns, Department of Homeland Security Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary
Speaker 1: for Public Affairs, talking about the increasing peril of being
Speaker 1: an ICE agent in sanctuary cities, and certainly Harry's laid
Speaker 1: out the case for it. I've seen the website. It's
Speaker 1: remarkable and obviously we at the Federalists have been covering
Speaker 1: the stories of these very violent criminal illegal immagates, again
Speaker 1: not just illegal immigrants, but individuals who have committed great
Speaker 1: offenses against individuals and society, and it just again it
Speaker 1: makes you wonder as it relates to Minneapolis though, and
Speaker 1: some of the demonstrations we've seen obviously that the situation
Speaker 1: in Portland comes to mind, if you could give us
Speaker 1: an update on what went down in Portland, because even
Speaker 1: the police chief there, through tears, oddly enough, had to
Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that the two individuals who were shot
Speaker 1: the other day in Portland were also violent criminal illegal
Speaker 1: immigrants and they were involved in a very violent gang.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, not just criminals, members of TDA,
Speaker 2: which is a terrorist organization, terrible gang, right, kidnapping, drugs, murder.
Speaker 2: This is not people, and I think that that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 2: So you know, the quick recap of that is Thursday nights,
Speaker 2: so Border Patrol is in Portland as part of our
Speaker 2: operations there, they were doing a targeted immigration enforcement against
Speaker 2: a known member of TDA as well as an associate
Speaker 2: of TDA who's been involved in a prostitution ring there,
Speaker 2: as well as a prior shooting in Portland earlier in
Speaker 2: the summer. As they went to make the arrest in
Speaker 2: the car, the driver, again TDA member, decided to weaponize
Speaker 2: it and drive at the officer, fired shots defensively. They
Speaker 2: later found the individual found the car. Those individuals, the
Speaker 2: drivers currently an FBI custody. The passenger is in ICE
Speaker 2: custody now pending removal. There will be an investigation. But
Speaker 2: a really really highlight thing that to show is the
Speaker 2: first response out of all of these local politicians was up,
Speaker 2: let's let's this is a terror. You know, there's been
Speaker 2: another shooting. It was against definitely innocent people, and we
Speaker 2: were out there pretty early saying no, these are TDA members,
Speaker 2: like this was part of a targeted We knew who
Speaker 2: we were arresting, we knew that these were bad people,
Speaker 2: and you immediately saw it stopped to operations. Do you
Speaker 2: really want the police to stop getting gang mem out
Speaker 2: of your community? And just this immediate demonization, And I
Speaker 2: think one of the most striking ones of it was,
Speaker 2: you know, CNN was trying to report that this was
Speaker 2: just a married couple and they were just targeted because
Speaker 2: of their they weren't they weren't white, and it was
Speaker 2: just like, no, we had information on this and we
Speaker 2: targeted them. And then, as you said, then it was well,
Speaker 2: how do we know that their TDA and the local
Speaker 2: police confirmed it. And as you said, he I don't
Speaker 2: think he really wanted to based off of his statements.
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave that up to him. But we
Speaker 2: trust our officers, we trust the intelligence that we're working
Speaker 2: off of, and we support our officers. Again, you're in
Speaker 2: a dangerous situation, two gang members, and all of a suddenly,
Speaker 2: three thousand pound vehicles turned against you. We train our officers,
Speaker 2: they responded the way they were supposed to. They worked
Speaker 2: for them the safety of the officers, and then we
Speaker 2: went and arrested these folks and we've got them and
Speaker 2: like I said, both of them, they are in custody now.
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest update. I'm sure there will be
Speaker 2: an investigation of sure, there's all that, so I don't
Speaker 2: want to get ahead of it. But the thing that
Speaker 2: was so striking was that everybody wanted to be so
Speaker 2: fast to condemn it. And as all the information came out,
Speaker 2: I think it just became a little too hard to defend.
Speaker 1: It did indeed, like all of these things. So here's
Speaker 1: my question to you. I don't know how deeply you
Speaker 1: can go into it, but when you see that kind
Speaker 1: of rhetoric, you hear that kind of rhetoric, but more
Speaker 1: than just you know what we're hearing from Tim Walls
Speaker 1: in Minneapolis mayor Jacob Frye, you know, the sort of
Speaker 1: overheated rhetoric, get the f out and those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: But actually we have heard from from public officials, from
Speaker 1: government officials talking about ways to obstruct ICE or at
Speaker 1: least endorsing that. Would these people be arrested for obstruction? Harry?
Speaker 1: I think about a judge in Wisconsin, in Milwaukee County,
Speaker 1: Hannah Dugan. She was just convicted by a federal jury
Speaker 1: for obstructing justice in helping a again a criminal, a
Speaker 1: legal immigrant, escape ICE custody. Now, why is what she
Speaker 1: did any different from some of these other public officials
Speaker 1: who are helping leftist organizations and others try to stop
Speaker 1: ICE from doing its duty.
Speaker 2: Well, that was a crazy story that came out of Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: I remember when that broke. It was just an insane story.
Speaker 2: But I think here's the thing, is that you should
Speaker 2: not be encouraging violence against officers, nor should you again
Speaker 2: be encouraging people to obstruct law enforcement from doing their job.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to get into a weird
Speaker 2: legal ease of what happened, but let's just use some
Speaker 2: common sense that you probably shouldn't be encouraging violence against others,
Speaker 2: and you shouldn't be encouraging people to impede law enforcement operations.
Speaker 2: I think it's wrong. We call it out everywhere we
Speaker 2: see it, and it's unfortunately as impacted people that our
Speaker 2: officers are facing this, you know, to kind of circle
Speaker 2: this back to Minneapolis, I mean, if you look on
Speaker 2: the news, you go on any social media, you can
Speaker 2: see what these folks are doing twenty four you know,
Speaker 2: more than half a dozen arrests for assault against officers
Speaker 2: since they've been there for a week. That's just an
Speaker 2: insane statistic. And obviously I wish they would listen to
Speaker 2: me and say, please, don't encourage people to go commit crimes.
Speaker 2: That's not a good thing to do. And I would
Speaker 2: hope people would not be taking that to heart. It
Speaker 2: would not be acting on that kind of bad advice.
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Speaker 1: You mentioned it before in the Portland case. It certainly
Speaker 1: came out in the Minneapolis case, and it's happened time
Speaker 1: and time again, the rush to judgment, the rush to
Speaker 1: judge federal law enforcement officials in their efforts to enforce
Speaker 1: US immigration law. I can't help but think about maybe
Speaker 1: the most dominant case of that, which was really assisted, aided,
Speaker 1: and debedded by an accomp list media, the Maryland man case.
Speaker 1: And I think about the Minneapolis woman with three young children.
Speaker 1: That's how Renee Good is being painted. As you noted
Speaker 1: the Portland couple just to driving about minding their own business.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the sorts of narratives that have
Speaker 1: popped up. They've been so patently false. But in your estimation,
Speaker 1: how much culpability does the corporate media have in all
Speaker 1: of this?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think that we really, we really
Speaker 2: would just ask folks to, you know, get the fact straight.
Speaker 2: Don't rush your judgment on these things. Obviously, there are
Speaker 2: a lot of rapidly evolving situations. We try to do
Speaker 2: our best to get the information out there, but we
Speaker 2: shouldn't be making heroes out of people who are trying
Speaker 2: to stop officers from arresting criminals. Again, don't want to
Speaker 2: get into any kind ofly trouble necessarily and say it,
Speaker 2: but look at the reporting and look at what they're
Speaker 2: reporting against. You know, the offst of public affairs at DHS,
Speaker 2: we get hundreds of inquiries a day and the amount
Speaker 2: of ones that are about, hey, we want to cover
Speaker 2: the officers that are doing really good work, or let's
Speaker 2: look at the people you guys are going after, or
Speaker 2: even more, which I think is a very important story,
Speaker 2: is the victims of illegal immigration. We don't get a
Speaker 2: lot of those, especially from the mainstream media, and I
Speaker 2: think people need to look at the cost of that.
Speaker 2: You know, I believe Lincoln Riley's twenty fourth birthday was
Speaker 2: supposed to be yesterday. We've seen these horrible, horrible stories.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're heart wrenching, and behind every one of
Speaker 2: those is the system did not stop this person from
Speaker 2: either coming into the country or did not get them
Speaker 2: when they were released from a jail because a lot
Speaker 2: of them have had priors before, or these are people
Speaker 2: that shouldn't have been there. And if we just enforce
Speaker 2: the laws of our country, you know, somebody else would
Speaker 2: be alive right now. And that's one of the things
Speaker 2: that drive our mission, right we want to get bad
Speaker 2: people out of our country. Like we should be highlighting
Speaker 2: the good work that our officers are doing. But you know,
Speaker 2: I don't see a lot of those articles. Federalists does
Speaker 2: a great job covering a lot of that stuff, which
Speaker 2: you know, we obviously appreciated and are shetting light on.
Speaker 2: As you said, you guys highlighted a lot that people
Speaker 2: were getting out of it, and I think that that's
Speaker 2: a really important story that is never told, is the
Speaker 2: cost of legal immigration and what happens with these sanctuary
Speaker 2: jurisdictions because there's so many of these stories that are
Speaker 2: just never highlighted. And it's American families that are being
Speaker 2: impacted by this, it's innocent lives that are being taken.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, you know, as a journalist, you have every
Speaker 1: right to ask questions about policy and about how the
Speaker 1: laws are being enforced, all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: But damn it, tell the other side of the story,
Speaker 1: at least make a pretense of doing that. They don't.
Speaker 1: And what you said before, you know about the victims,
Speaker 1: the Lake and Riley's of the world doesn't fit their narrative,
Speaker 1: so they don't exist. And that's the sad thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've covered extensively, and I've gotten to know a gentleman
Speaker 1: from Illinois, and I think perhaps you may know him
Speaker 1: as well. Joe Abraham, whose daughter, twenty year old Katie Abraham,
Speaker 1: was killed by in a legal immigrant who was drunk
Speaker 1: and driving it eighty miles per hour, smashed into their vehicle,
Speaker 1: killed two young women with their futures in front of them.
Speaker 1: You know, JB. Pritzker won't give that story the time
Speaker 1: of day. He won't reach out to those people. You know,
Speaker 1: these this is where the impact line is. We don't
Speaker 1: have much time left.
Speaker 2: I want to know, if you don't mind, I would
Speaker 2: really like to highlight here's a great a great story
Speaker 2: that did not get a lot of coverage related to
Speaker 2: the victims. Is one of the things that Secretary Nome
Speaker 2: has done is we've actually reactivated an office called Voice
Speaker 2: Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement. And I think this is
Speaker 2: an important one. And as you mentioned, we know Joe
Speaker 2: Abraham's story. He's somebody who is going through this office.
Speaker 2: Is one of the things that this administration did was
Speaker 2: make sure that there's an office that is standing by
Speaker 2: ready to assist the families who have been the victims
Speaker 2: of illegal immigration. They have a website would encourage anybody
Speaker 2: look it up. And the stories that they get out
Speaker 2: of that, I mean, I know ICE has highlighted them.
Speaker 2: We've highlighted some of these folks that already about to
Speaker 2: talk about it in public. But that's one of those
Speaker 2: basic stories. I don't remember a big headline story from
Speaker 2: a lot of mainstream media of US reopening up that office,
Speaker 2: but they are doing good work and I can only imagine,
Speaker 2: you know what the folks working there and how hard
Speaker 2: it is for family to come forward. But that's one
Speaker 2: of the ways we are actually trying to highlight stuff
Speaker 2: and really encourage people to look into the work that
Speaker 2: they're doing. Obviously, if impacted, they've got a hotline, courage,
Speaker 2: courage victims to reach out for help. But that's one
Speaker 2: of those stories that's definitely got lost. But that was
Speaker 2: shuttered under the Biden administration, and it's one of the
Speaker 2: first things we did early on was make sure that
Speaker 2: was open again.
Speaker 1: Why was it shuttered under the Biden administration?
Speaker 2: By the way, that's a great question that I can't
Speaker 2: understand why you want to want to shut down a
Speaker 2: hotline to help people. I probably didn't fit into their
Speaker 2: narrative as they were helping oversee an invasion of our
Speaker 2: country for four years.
Speaker 1: Thank you right about that. Again, I know we don't
Speaker 1: have too much time, You've got a gazillion things to do,
Speaker 1: But just a couple of final questions, are you at
Speaker 1: all concerned what you've said over the last week or
Speaker 1: so in Minneapolis and other parts of the country. Now
Speaker 1: we're going to see the Summer of Love twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: the massive Black Lives Matter protests once again happening in
Speaker 1: these cities over quite frankly, a false narrative.
Speaker 2: I would really hope not. I always hope that our
Speaker 2: officers are going to be safe as are doing their job.
Speaker 2: I know one thing that can say is that you know,
Speaker 2: we are not backing down. We are going to continue
Speaker 2: to enforce the laws of this nation. I really hope,
Speaker 2: you know, folks come to their senses and we see
Speaker 2: the rhetoric stop, and we see the violence against our
Speaker 2: officers stop. That's what I'm hoping for, so that the
Speaker 2: men and women that are on the ground are safe
Speaker 2: and they're not facing again eight percent increase in death threats,
Speaker 2: thirteen percent increase in assault in a thirty two hundred
Speaker 2: increase in vehicle assaults.
Speaker 1: You mentioned before as well. Secretary Nome has said we
Speaker 1: are sending more ICE agents, more federal law enforcement officials
Speaker 1: to Minneapolis. What's the number there and what do you
Speaker 1: think about the lawsuit filed this week to try to
Speaker 1: remove ICE's presence from Minneapolis and Minnesota.
Speaker 2: They're not going to get into a specific number on that,
Speaker 2: but this is one of the largest DHS operations we've
Speaker 2: ever done. We don't want to put it we don't
Speaker 2: want to put a target on the backs of our
Speaker 2: officers more than they already have it this lawsuit. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it's it's we are we are not going
Speaker 2: to stop enforcing federal law. I think it's really interesting
Speaker 2: to just see these see I believe it's the mayor
Speaker 2: in the ag trying to push this. We're going to
Speaker 2: continue to enforce the law. It's just that simple. There's
Speaker 2: a supremacy clause for a region reason. And it's very
Speaker 2: interesting that they've now decided to try to discover the
Speaker 2: Tenth Amendment. Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting point. That's for another show altogether. But
Speaker 1: state's rights to these folks just about a year plus
Speaker 1: ago didn't mean much. Now all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: Tenth Amendment is critical to them. Very interesting. Well, you
Speaker 1: do hard work, you do necessary work, and we're always
Speaker 1: glad to talk to You've got a standing invitation to
Speaker 1: join us anytime, sir.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, Thank you so much. I appreciate it, you bet.
Speaker 1: Thanks to my guest today, Harry Phones, Department of Homeland
Speaker 1: Security Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs, on the
Speaker 1: ever increasing peril of being an ice agent in sanctuary cities.
Speaker 1: You've been listening to another edition of The Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 1: I'm Matt Kittle's senior elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll
Speaker 1: be back soon with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom.
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