Speaker 1: Just a combo of mixing of news.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So we got some John Wick updates, so which I'm very,
very excited by this because I was somebody said like, sure,
the k movie is, I'll I'll watch it. But what
I really wanted was I think her name is Akira.
I can't remember if it is, but the girl that
was in John Wick four who was like the daughter
of the guy from Showgun and then she killed him.
There's an ancred. You remember that girl, right, yeah? Yeah,
So she's confirmed for the Cane spin off. Uh, there's
a John Wick five update. The director said the song
of John Wick was pretty wrapped, so the only way
to do five is is if you have a new story,
then Vile involves John Wick. It's not a continuation with
the High Table John Devil's Grief. It really it will
be really different. Everybody will see that the trailer and go,
holy fuck, I gotta see that. Those are the two
John Wake updates. And then Clay Face has a new writer.
I don't think you have much more say on that.
That's more for me just to rant off here in
a second because I'm a big Mike Flanagan fan. But
what do you think about these uh, these john Way
happy shoes in Kane. And now, what do you think
about John Wick five? Do you think they're gonna be
able to get you to just say, holy fuck, I
gotta see that.
Speaker 2: I think that John Wick four had a fantastic ending
and pushing it. I don't know. I don't know what
they're gonna do, but you know, money speaks and they
want to keep on going. I am intrigued to see
what they're gonna do. But I think that the daughter
of the of the I think it was the Japanese
hotel that the it was like sanctuary. I can't remember
all the terms or whatnot, but I really I'm glad
that we're gonna get to see a follow up with
that daughter and and Kane, especially just with the way
that they left things in the the end of the
previous movie, just setting it up. So I'm so happy
that we're gonna get the follow up to that because
there's there's a lot that needs to be explored.
Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna have a movie where because
he was the antagus the last one, but not that
he's a good guy, but like partner with Wick, they
had a respect. Do we get the moment the movie
where the you know him, the killer of this woman's dad,
that they team up and work together somehow, or do
you think we have a movie where the protagonist is
being hunted by somebody that we should be kind of
cheering for, right, Because most of the time it's like, well,
you know, root for you know, the bad guy to
get the good guy, but in this situation kind of
would be because this donian killed her father, right, so
it's like, oh, we shouldn't be cheering for him. So
do you think they end up working together or do
you think it's some weird way where it is, Yeah,
our protagonist is a bad guy that has to get
taken down.
Speaker 2: Oh they're gonna work together for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's just it makes sense. It's the next
natural step for things, even though it's even though it's
it's uh, it's not alluded to or set up that way.
I think that something will happen, you know, not not
the Continental, but it could be the what do you
call it, the agency or whatever. It's like, oh, you
guys do this, right, so we're gonna come after you
and they gotta team up John Wick style or something
like that.
Speaker 1: So how do you feel about this because I've seen
people pitch just before. If we get John Wick and.
Speaker 2: Hell, no killing demons and stuff, I don't need it
to be paranormal. He's the Baba Yaga and the physical realm.
I don't need the Baba Yaga and the spiritual realm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm torn because, don't get me wrong, if
that was the trailer, that is like I don't know
if I'm like excited, but it is like, Okay, what
the fuck are they doing here? I gotta see this
right Like that is like, this is something different. I
just don't. I feel like that for me is like
a a comic or animation movie I would enjoy more
than like the live action and don't get wrong, let's
see it. That's a wild, wacky way to go. But
at the same day, it's so like, well, I guess
he did die. He just went to hell, and that's
like I don't know. They're like I'd have to definitely
see the trailer and go from there because my complain
about this is and hey, if he's alive, that hurts
Jean Wick four. So I guess in the movie in
John Wick five, if he is dead and it's him
like battling hell. It's like, well, I guess he is dead.
I just wouldn't have come back alive. But yeah, we'll see.
I think Taya is right about with the Cane spin
off the likely team up, but I hope I'm wrong,
or I hope they team up that she fucking kills
in the end. The movie I wanted was her movie
hunting Down Kane. Now o'vi see it's different because Caane
was more popular character. He's directing this, so he has
to be the main character. But I want him to
eat it. I want her to kill him. I want
the revenge. So I hope it is. I hope they
do something bold where our protagonist is the bad guy
and the antagonist is the good guy hunting them down.
So we'll see, and then Taylor, you can respond after
I rant for just a second and then we're done
on this episode here. But so Mike Flannagan and this
will come with some bias because like, I'm a big
fan of Mike flann again, love Haunting Hillhouse, Midnight Mass
It's just fucking one of the best horror things ever.
And then he has a litany of other good things
of Doctor Sleep is fantastic. I'm excited for carry series,
and I'm excited for uh god, there's another one he's doing.
But anyway, so last year at some point we heard
his rumor. Then whatever, it's been official, right that, Okay,
they're doing a clay Face movie. And I've always said
before not really a fan of this, because don't get
me wrong, I trust James gunn way more than these
Sony Marvel movies. Right, but it's that sense of and
I get it, they got the whole mess with the
Batman and they don't know what they're doing their Batman.
But I don't want to be in a world where
I meet clay Face before we meet Batman, the same
way we met Morbius and Venom and Man and Webb
before he met that spider Man. And guess what, we
never met that spider Man, so fuck us, right, but
I don't want that. I'm all for Batman fight's clay
Face and then we get that movie. That's more of
the route that I'd like to go. Just call me
old fashion, right, But I was always like, okay, even
though he can't direct, which was a bummer because he's
busy with stuff. Even though he can't direct. I am
excited because Mike Flannagan one of the best directors i'd
say for current directors. From what I like, he's my
top ten for favorites right now. And he wrote the script.
And you've been working on it for a while, because
there's rumors of this last year or like two years ago,
like twenty twenty four, So you've been working on this
and then they greenlit and they said, Okay, it's gonna
be a horror movie. It's gonna be you know, like
in the vein of substance, actor taking this thing, trying
to get better yet to improve his career. It's shooting
October first. Now this is bouncing off last we can think.
I think it was last week. Yeah, me and Dylan
talked about how Sergent Rock was supposed to be filming,
and they depends what Scoop re asks. Some people say
it's canceled, some people say it's pushed back. Either way.
Issues with that right, and now there's this where you go, Okay,
there is going to be a rewrite on the script.
Now for me, here's the thing. Rewrites happen all the
time in Hollywood. I get it. I think it's difficult
for me because the pitch of everything against me or
everything for this film was against my fiver of wanting it.
But it's okay. This guy that I really like any
others like he wrote the draft, he wrote the screenplay,
not draft he wrote, or at least the first draft.
He wrote that. So here we go. So say, okay,
he's re it's getting rewrote in, which sucks. And here's
the two things that just make me pause. And here's
two quotes from James Gunn. H this was a question,
someone says, is this was like months ago? Right? Is
clay Face officially the third DCU film? Why didn't you
choose more prominent characters like the Flash or wonder on? Fuck?
Just I love this? But here's fun because the number
one rule here at dc no movie will get the
green light before the script is ready. Okay, let's start there.
I'm not on some fucking like James Gunn witch Hunt, right,
I want. I like all Guardian's films. I gave it ten.
I like The Suicide Squad. I like James Gunn. It
seems like he seems like a cool guy that I
love to hang out and talk movies with, like shoot
the shit with I have no personal prompts. It's just
like things that I still gotta call it right. Say,
we talked about a couple of months ago of like,
oh he never yet when it first came up that
there was a Batman, he said, oh, I never thought
about Robert Passen being the Batman like in our universe,
and then like jump to your layer. He's like, well,
you know, we considered it. So it's like, okay, that's
add right, and I don't know if it's and people
can change their mind, right, But it's just like I
think with James Gunn, he just says things in such
like a direct statement way where it's like this is it,
and this is why maybe he should stay off social media.
It was great to start with to clarify, but this
idea of and he said this before, and I think
that's a great policy because we talked about Marvel other stuff.
We're not gonna give anything green light to the scripts ready,
and that's what the situation. They get the script from
Mike Flann again, yeah, Clay Face, green light go, but
now it's getting rewrote. So if the script wasn't ready,
why to get green light? In his own words, no
movie will be green lid before the script is ready
to me, if you're rewriting the script, it is not ready.
There is like there's a reason, like I like even
when my scripts they show the guys like there's like
I don't show the like I feel like it's fully
ready to go. Like for the most part, right, I
don't get all the time to edit some spelling hairs
that I would like to, because sometimes we're like, we
gotta we got a cabin, we gotta shoot this right now.
But until the script is ready, I'll give them general ideas,
but like, no, I'm gonna wait. So that that's one
where it's just like already that seems little if you
say thing with Sargy Rock that was green like gonna
shoot and then now it's the later canceled, right, And
then this was what he had said about this. He said,
this is a different quote to Hollywood Reporter. We had
no plans of making a clay Face movie, but Mike
Flanagan turned in a script. It's one of the best
scripts that we've read. Now, that's great. I love that.
I love that idea. Same thing. I don't think we
need a clay Face movie. I don't know if that's
a smart thing of you starting the DCU of let's
do it like in your first batch, your first phase
or whatever. Right chapter they call it Gods and Monsters,
Let's do clay Face, all right, not what I would
have picked, but fine, because you know why. I from
sim with John James gu and he's like, it's one
of the best scripts I ever read. Okay, I'm completely
confident in you. You told me some of the best
scripts you're read, go make that movie, go green light it.
But now one of the best scripts he's ever read.
Let's again Rewrotin. Either I take that as this is
a man that's constantly changes his mind or and not
in a way that I care, but he's just like,
I don't like this sounds harsh, like or he's just
a fucking liar, And I don't want to make it
selling that because I feel like that's a reserved for
people that's like the current present right now. It's not that.
But it's just like if Taylor had to come to
me and let's say he's working on this, like I'm
trying to think of something he would if let's say
he because he's a graphic designer in his day job. Let's say,
Cane to me, right, and I said, hey, Taylor, I
need a poster for use a trannichrome. Right. Imagine if
Taylor and I love the posts. There's multiples, we have
other ones come in the future. It's gonna be great stuff.
But for that first post, right, And Terry Kane to me,
and let's say, uh, Kirklan made me some There's still
made me some posters. You know, Kyle went on fucking
paint and gave me a poster. And Taylor brings me
a poster, and I go, man tylor for a dremoch rome.
This is one of the best poster I ever seen.
Can't wait to use this. And then like, and Mike
Claningkin doesn't probably care. Maybe he does, he probably does,
but like he got paid. He's fine. But like, then
imagine if and I tell my fans, I go on
geek first patron tellyone, Hey, this poster. Wait until you
see it. It's the best poster I've ever seen. And
then I go and hire someone to make a new
poster or at least okay, you see this poster that
Taylor Field did, can you like change a bunch of stuff? Now? Again,
I don't know. We don't know what's going on. Maybe
there's a situation where Batman wasn't in flanmagain script And
because the Batman twos, the lads they go, you know what,
we do want Batman the script. There's tons of stuff
that I will try and give them the benefit of doubt.
It's just that this stuff continually happens. And for me,
this one hurt because it is like a one that
I was looking very forward to. But just for me,
it's it's weird. This is where he just like should
start stop talking in absolutes because the general audience they
don't give a fuck about Clayface or Mike Flanagan. They're
not gonna care. They're gonna wait till next Halloween and
when this mud Monster movie comes out if they want
to see it or not cool, they're not gonna care about.
So when he's making these statements about like one of
the best scripts I ever read, that is for us,
Taylor or other fans that listen to this podcast or
watch or in the sphere right off, like we care,
so to stop, like I think like stoking those fires.
I just feel like, just don't say that stuff until
it's like it's made like let's say, clay Faces come
out October twenty twenty six, and it's like, yeah, this
is one of the best scripts we ever read and
it's out in a month or two. I can't wait
for you to see it. It just feels odd for
him to say, hey, we're not green lighting anything until
script's done, and now it's getting rewritten, and hey, this
is one of the best scripts we've ever read. Well,
we're gonna get rewrite. Like to me, like when I
got the Drenkron Proster, like the one we use for
that's on like letterbox WoT, I was very happy with it,
and I was like, you know what, I need to
go get a second opinion and get this remain so
it just like I said, I don't know what you
have to add this, but it just feels it just
feels like something is off. And when I hate about
from what happened last week to this. And I'll give
him credit. Stephen Colbert had this sweet that I love
where you remember in Watchman where there's Doctor Manhattan and
he's on the He's on Mars and it's.
Speaker 2: That meaningless like his machine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's always the meme of like I'm here
in nineteen ninety four and this is happening. I'm here
in two thousand and four and this is happening. And
that's just what it feels like. We're in August, coming
on ten years, and it just feels like again where
James Gonna was supposed to be like, hey, this is
the shining light. This is something. And I'm not saying
it's anywhere near the problems we had before, especially the
Zach Snyer air right where they just fucking took this
guy's Tom Whydale. This stuff like hopefully not, but it's
just like and Marvel, look, we just thought Abutmorrow. They've
had tons of problems too lately, right, but like with DC,
they've just never had a smooth patch and I was
hoping that was this and it's just like again, it's
like last week this fucking project canceled or delayed. Okay,
this week best script I've ever read, one of the
best script I read. But we're gonna get rewritten. It
just feels like again, it's just here we are twenty
twenty five. May talk about like DC, it's like, what's
going on here? So I don't know what do you
have to take from anything if you think this over
react for me or what you think about this stuff.
But yeah, long story short is Clayface has a script.
It's getting rewritten currently.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, I thought things were kind of
more cemented in Stone when I came to this clay
Face project, I thought things for a.
Speaker 1: Little bit more. One of the best group I read
to you would think that.
Speaker 2: And I think that. So. I mean, the only Clayface
that I've again seen so far and under this new
umbrella is the one from Creature Commandos. So I don't know,
maybe maybe the powers to be You're looking at that
and like, yeah, we want a clay Face to be
more like that and not what is written in these
these scripts, which would be a very very bad mistake.
It should be the other way around. Yeah, I don't
think that this is as problematic as other other things are.
You know, with the script being written, is it a problem, yes,
but it's not for longevity's sake, problematic in comparison to
other projects have been canceled and whatnot, Like the Trench movie.
You remember that one ages ago.
Speaker 1: The Trench. Yeah, I was supposed to be a Trench
slash black Man to movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so at the end of the day, I I
think that they can make a few loss losses right now,
they can take a few hits because of its still
being so early on and we haven't even had like,
have we had their first theatrical one Superman. That's Superman.
Speaker 1: That's the real that's the real test. M hm.
Speaker 2: So we got we got time, we got time. And
I don't know, maybe they say that they're be writing
the scripts, but maybe it could just be like, all right,
in the long run, let's just wait and see how
Superman does, just to kind of engauge a bit more
more before we sink some more money into this product
and we get the ball really really rolling. Because clay
Face is one of those more obscure dare I say,
niche characters that everyone knows about clay Face and you
don't think, oh, he's a Batman villain. You definitely don't
think knows who Clay Faces. I'll have to test her
and ask her. I don't I don't think so. And
if she, yeah, clay Faces, she would probably assume it's
something Marvel related, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, we'll see and again Superman has to
come out, that has to happen. We'll see again that
it's all again. This could all be for no because
Superman could come out and fucking underperformer bomb and there
goes the DC Hugh and you know, we hardly knew you,
but just just feels odd. And again I'm saying, is
just maybe you don't gonna say statements for that because
I like to believe. I like to try, and especially
with people I like, believe them. So I believe. Okay,
if you're on this project, but if you're telling me
the script, and I'm not saying that means it's gonna
be great, right, I don't know. James Gun's like personal
likes Army, it's a shit script, and he's like, this
is one of the best I ever read. But I
kind of hope that means something. But I'll last We'll
just have to wait and see and find what happens
next few weeks. We're rumored to begin in a Superman
trailer next week, so I think unless that drops on
a day we're already doing like and or Last Office
or something like that, then that might be me and
Kirkland's main topic for Weekly Geek next week we didn't
talk about, but next week they're dropping a Peacemaker trailer
as well, so they still got stuff going on, still stuff, excited,
just we'll to see what happens. But yes, that is
the end of this episode, so thank you very much
for tuning in. We'll be back next week and I
promise you it'll not be boring. Bye bye,