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Speaker 1: Just a combo of mixing of news.

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Speaker 1: So we got some John Wick updates, so which I'm very,

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very excited by this because I was somebody said like, sure,

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the k movie is, I'll I'll watch it. But what

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I really wanted was I think her name is Akira.

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I can't remember if it is, but the girl that

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was in John Wick four who was like the daughter

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of the guy from Showgun and then she killed him.

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There's an ancred. You remember that girl, right, yeah? Yeah,

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So she's confirmed for the Cane spin off. Uh, there's

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a John Wick five update. The director said the song

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of John Wick was pretty wrapped, so the only way

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to do five is is if you have a new story,

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then Vile involves John Wick. It's not a continuation with

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the High Table John Devil's Grief. It really it will

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be really different. Everybody will see that the trailer and go,

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holy fuck, I gotta see that. Those are the two

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John Wake updates. And then Clay Face has a new writer.

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I don't think you have much more say on that.

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That's more for me just to rant off here in

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a second because I'm a big Mike Flanagan fan. But

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what do you think about these uh, these john Way

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happy shoes in Kane. And now, what do you think

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about John Wick five? Do you think they're gonna be

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able to get you to just say, holy fuck, I

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gotta see that.

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Speaker 2: I think that John Wick four had a fantastic ending

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and pushing it. I don't know. I don't know what

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they're gonna do, but you know, money speaks and they

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want to keep on going. I am intrigued to see

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what they're gonna do. But I think that the daughter

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of the of the I think it was the Japanese

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hotel that the it was like sanctuary. I can't remember

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all the terms or whatnot, but I really I'm glad

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that we're gonna get to see a follow up with

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that daughter and and Kane, especially just with the way

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that they left things in the the end of the

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previous movie, just setting it up. So I'm so happy

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that we're gonna get the follow up to that because

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there's there's a lot that needs to be explored.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we're gonna have a movie where because

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he was the antagus the last one, but not that

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he's a good guy, but like partner with Wick, they

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had a respect. Do we get the moment the movie

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where the you know him, the killer of this woman's dad,

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that they team up and work together somehow, or do

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you think we have a movie where the protagonist is

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being hunted by somebody that we should be kind of

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cheering for, right, Because most of the time it's like, well,

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you know, root for you know, the bad guy to

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get the good guy, but in this situation kind of

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would be because this donian killed her father, right, so

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it's like, oh, we shouldn't be cheering for him. So

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do you think they end up working together or do

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you think it's some weird way where it is, Yeah,

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our protagonist is a bad guy that has to get

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taken down.

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natural step for things, even though it's even though it's

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it's uh, it's not alluded to or set up that way.

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I think that something will happen, you know, not not

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the Continental, but it could be the what do you

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call it, the agency or whatever. It's like, oh, you

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guys do this, right, so we're gonna come after you

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and they gotta team up John Wick style or something

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people pitch just before. If we get John Wick and.

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to be paranormal. He's the Baba Yaga and the physical realm.

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I don't need the Baba Yaga and the spiritual realm.

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that was the trailer, that is like I don't know

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if I'm like excited, but it is like, Okay, what

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the fuck are they doing here? I gotta see this

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than like the live action and don't get wrong, let's

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see it. That's a wild, wacky way to go. But

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at the same day, it's so like, well, I guess

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he did die. He just went to hell, and that's

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like battling hell. It's like, well, I guess he is dead.

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off the likely team up, but I hope I'm wrong,

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hunting Down Kane. Now o'vi see it's different because Caane

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was more popular character. He's directing this, so he has

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to be the main character. But I want him to

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eat it. I want her to kill him. I want

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the revenge. So I hope it is. I hope they

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do something bold where our protagonist is the bad guy

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and the antagonist is the good guy hunting them down.

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I rant for just a second and then we're done

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on this episode here. But so Mike Flannagan and this

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will come with some bias because like, I'm a big

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of Doctor Sleep is fantastic. I'm excited for carry series,

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and I'm excited for uh god, there's another one he's doing.

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his rumor. Then whatever, it's been official, right that, Okay,

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they're doing a clay Face movie. And I've always said

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before not really a fan of this, because don't get

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me wrong, I trust James gunn way more than these

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Sony Marvel movies. Right, but it's that sense of and

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Batman and they don't know what they're doing their Batman.

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I meet clay Face before we meet Batman, the same

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way we met Morbius and Venom and Man and Webb

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before he met that spider Man. And guess what, we

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never met that spider Man, so fuck us, right, but

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I don't want that. I'm all for Batman fight's clay

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the route that I'd like to go. Just call me

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old fashion, right, But I was always like, okay, even

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though he can't direct, which was a bummer because he's

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busy with stuff. Even though he can't direct. I am

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excited because Mike Flannagan one of the best directors i'd

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say for current directors. From what I like, he's my

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top ten for favorites right now. And he wrote the script.

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like twenty twenty four, So you've been working on this

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in the vein of substance, actor taking this thing, trying

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to get better yet to improve his career. It's shooting

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and they depends what Scoop re asks. Some people say

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it's canceled, some people say it's pushed back. Either way.

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there is going to be a rewrite on the script.

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time in Hollywood. I get it. I think it's difficult

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for me because the pitch of everything against me or

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everything for this film was against my fiver of wanting it.

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others like he wrote the draft, he wrote the screenplay,

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he's re it's getting rewrote in, which sucks. And here's

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the two things that just make me pause. And here's

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two quotes from James Gunn. H this was a question,

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someone says, is this was like months ago? Right? Is

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clay Face officially the third DCU film? Why didn't you

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choose more prominent characters like the Flash or wonder on? Fuck?

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Just I love this? But here's fun because the number

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one rule here at dc no movie will get the

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green light before the script is ready. Okay, let's start there.

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I want. I like all Guardian's films. I gave it ten.

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seems like he seems like a cool guy that I

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the shit with I have no personal prompts. It's just

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like things that I still gotta call it right. Say,

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there was a Batman, he said, oh, I never thought

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can change their mind, right, But it's just like I

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and this is why maybe he should stay off social media.

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idea of and he said this before, and I think

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now it's getting rewrote. So if the script wasn't ready,

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why to get green light? In his own words, no

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where it's just like already that seems little if you

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then this was what he had said about this. He said,

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no plans of making a clay Face movie, but Mike

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scripts that we've read. Now, that's great. I love that.

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a smart thing of you starting the DCU of let's

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have picked, but fine, because you know why. I from

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of the best scripts I ever read. Okay, I'm completely

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confident in you. You told me some of the best

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scripts you're read, go make that movie, go green light it.

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a man that's constantly changes his mind or and not

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in a way that I care, but he's just like,

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a fucking liar, And I don't want to make it

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selling that because I feel like that's a reserved for

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other ones come in the future. It's gonna be great stuff.

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and let's say, uh, Kirklan made me some There's still

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made me some posters. You know, Kyle went on fucking

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paint and gave me a poster. And Taylor brings me

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a poster, and I go, man tylor for a dremoch rome.

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This is one of the best poster I ever seen.

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Can't wait to use this. And then like, and Mike

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but like he got paid. He's fine. But like, then

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imagine if and I tell my fans, I go on

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geek first patron tellyone, Hey, this poster. Wait until you

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see it. It's the best poster I've ever seen. And

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then I go and hire someone to make a new

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poster or at least okay, you see this poster that

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Taylor Field did, can you like change a bunch of stuff? Now? Again,

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because the Batman twos, the lads they go, you know what,

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we do want Batman the script. There's tons of stuff

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that I will try and give them the benefit of doubt.

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this one hurt because it is like a one that

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I was looking very forward to. But just for me,

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it's it's weird. This is where he just like should

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start stop talking in absolutes because the general audience they

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don't give a fuck about Clayface or Mike Flanagan. They're

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not gonna care. They're gonna wait till next Halloween and

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when this mud Monster movie comes out if they want

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to see it or not cool, they're not gonna care about.

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the best scripts I ever read, that is for us,

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watch or in the sphere right off, like we care,

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so to stop, like I think like stoking those fires.

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it's like it's made like let's say, clay Faces come

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out October twenty twenty six, and it's like, yeah, this

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is one of the best scripts we ever read and

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it's out in a month or two. I can't wait

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for you to see it. It just feels odd for

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him to say, hey, we're not green lighting anything until

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script's done, and now it's getting rewritten, and hey, this

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is one of the best scripts we've ever read. Well,

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we're gonna get rewrite. Like to me, like when I

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that's on like letterbox WoT, I was very happy with it,

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it just like I said, I don't know what you

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feels like something is off. And when I hate about

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from what happened last week to this. And I'll give

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him credit. Stephen Colbert had this sweet that I love

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where you remember in Watchman where there's Doctor Manhattan and

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he's on the He's on Mars and it's.

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Speaker 2: That meaningless like his machine.

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in nineteen ninety four and this is happening. I'm here

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in two thousand and four and this is happening. And

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that's just what it feels like. We're in August, coming

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on ten years, and it just feels like again where

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James Gonna was supposed to be like, hey, this is

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the shining light. This is something. And I'm not saying

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it's anywhere near the problems we had before, especially the

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Zach Snyer air right where they just fucking took this

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guy's Tom Whydale. This stuff like hopefully not, but it's

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just like and Marvel, look, we just thought Abutmorrow. They've

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had tons of problems too lately, right, but like with DC,

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they've just never had a smooth patch and I was

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hoping that was this and it's just like again, it's

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like last week this fucking project canceled or delayed. Okay,

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this week best script I've ever read, one of the

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best script I read. But we're gonna get rewritten. It

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just feels like again, it's just here we are twenty

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twenty five. May talk about like DC, it's like, what's

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going on here? So I don't know what do you

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have to take from anything if you think this over

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react for me or what you think about this stuff.

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But yeah, long story short is Clayface has a script.

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It's getting rewritten currently.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Yeah, I thought things were kind of

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more cemented in Stone when I came to this clay

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to you would think that.

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Speaker 2: And I think that. So. I mean, the only Clayface

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that I've again seen so far and under this new

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umbrella is the one from Creature Commandos. So I don't know,

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maybe maybe the powers to be You're looking at that

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and like, yeah, we want a clay Face to be

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more like that and not what is written in these

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these scripts, which would be a very very bad mistake.

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think that this is as problematic as other other things are.

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but it's not for longevity's sake, problematic in comparison to

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other projects have been canceled and whatnot, Like the Trench movie.

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Speaker 1: The Trench. Yeah, I was supposed to be a Trench

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slash black Man to movie.

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think that they can make a few loss losses right now,

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they can take a few hits because of its still

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being so early on and we haven't even had like,

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I don't know, maybe they say that they're be writing

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the scripts, but maybe it could just be like, all right,

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in the long run, let's just wait and see how

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Superman does, just to kind of engauge a bit more

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more before we sink some more money into this product

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and we get the ball really really rolling. Because clay

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niche characters that everyone knows about clay Face and you

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don't think, oh, he's a Batman villain. You definitely don't

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think knows who Clay Faces. I'll have to test her

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and ask her. I don't I don't think so. And

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if she, yeah, clay Faces, she would probably assume it's

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something Marvel related, to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So yeah, we'll see and again Superman has to

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come out, that has to happen. We'll see again that

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it's all again. This could all be for no because

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Superman could come out and fucking underperformer bomb and there

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goes the DC Hugh and you know, we hardly knew you,

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but just just feels odd. And again I'm saying, is

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just maybe you don't gonna say statements for that because

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I like to believe. I like to try, and especially

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with people I like, believe them. So I believe. Okay,

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if you're on this project, but if you're telling me

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the script, and I'm not saying that means it's gonna

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be great, right, I don't know. James Gun's like personal

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likes Army, it's a shit script, and he's like, this

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is one of the best I ever read. But I

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kind of hope that means something. But I'll last We'll

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just have to wait and see and find what happens

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next few weeks. We're rumored to begin in a Superman

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trailer next week, so I think unless that drops on

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a day we're already doing like and or Last Office

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or something like that, then that might be me and

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Kirkland's main topic for Weekly Geek next week we didn't

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talk about, but next week they're dropping a Peacemaker trailer

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as well, so they still got stuff going on, still stuff, excited,

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just we'll to see what happens. But yes, that is

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the end of this episode, so thank you very much

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for tuning in. We'll be back next week and I

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promise you it'll not be boring. Bye bye,