Speaker 1: Well, Hello, this is Dean Gleason. I'm the executive director
Speaker 1: and chief investigator for Seaway Valley Bigfoot Research. We're located
Speaker 1: in upstate New York on the Canadian border in the
Speaker 1: Seaway Valley region, which is where the Saint Lawrence River
Speaker 1: goes from the Great Lakes and eventually goes to the Ocean,
Speaker 1: so that's why they call it the Seaway Valley. I've
Speaker 1: been doing investigations for about thirty five years or so,
Speaker 1: give her take a little bit. I've had six sightings
Speaker 1: over that period of time, most of them on my
Speaker 1: own property. I feel that I probably have a group
Speaker 1: my property, a small family group. I'm thinking there's probably
Speaker 1: four of them. From the difference in the tracks and
Speaker 1: from the sidings I've had, I believe I've seen Big Papa,
Speaker 1: Big Mama, and at least one of their kids, a
Speaker 1: juvenile that probably by now has going up quite a
Speaker 1: bit because it was about four years ago and I
Speaker 1: saw the side four or five years ago. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I also have done investigations with BRFO, with a partnership
Speaker 1: with them, but most of the time I'm out doing
Speaker 1: solo investigations, following up on leads from y witnesses and
Speaker 1: other sources of information that follow my lap, and I
Speaker 1: tried to get out there as quickly as I can,
Speaker 1: if at all possible, and so everything is fresh and
Speaker 1: the people's minds, and hopefully find some physical evidence has
Speaker 1: been left behind and tracks or other things, and I've
Speaker 1: had fairly good luck with that. I was on episode
Speaker 1: of three thirty three back a couple of years ago
Speaker 1: or so, and enjoyed my conversation with your host and
Speaker 1: the feedback that I got from some of the fans
Speaker 1: that saw fit to message me. It was a lot
Speaker 1: of fun, and I was at to come back again,
Speaker 1: and I'm very happy to be here. I grew up
Speaker 1: in a small town up in northern New York, and
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, I first got introduced to
Speaker 1: the bigfoot phenomena in a movie called Mysterious Monsters, was
Speaker 1: hosted by Peter Graves, and it just sparked my interest.
Speaker 1: But I never thought for a million years that they
Speaker 1: were bigfoot in my area until one day when I
Speaker 1: was running my trap line on a small creek on
Speaker 1: our land and I actually found some tracks that had
Speaker 1: come into the swamp and back out and across to
Speaker 1: the other side of the creek, and I didn't tell
Speaker 1: anybody about it for years and years and years because
Speaker 1: I thought people wouldn't believe me, which is probably a
Speaker 1: typical response for most people that have seen a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: They don't want people to think they're crazy, so they
Speaker 1: keep it to themselves. A few years back, I had
Speaker 1: a jeep and I went and bought one of those
Speaker 1: stickers and put across the top of the wind chilled.
Speaker 1: You know you've probably seen them. People have them to
Speaker 1: say gone hunting or gone fishing. Well, I bought one
Speaker 1: that said gone squatching and put it out my jeep,
Speaker 1: and it was probably one of the best research tools
Speaker 1: that I ever had, because I would have people come
Speaker 1: up to me in parking lots, grocery stores, you name it,
Speaker 1: because they saw my jeep and wanted to talk to me.
Speaker 1: And I even had one gentleman follow me to a
Speaker 1: client's house. I'm a home health aate. I take care
Speaker 1: of people in their homes that are in need of services.
Speaker 1: And I was on my way to one of the
Speaker 1: people's homes and I actually passed a guy that was
Speaker 1: standing in his yard and he saw my jeep and
Speaker 1: he got in his car and followed me to the
Speaker 1: client's house just to tell me his Bigfoot story. And
Speaker 1: I collected hundreds of Bigfoot stories over the few years
Speaker 1: that I had that that there was hardly a month
Speaker 1: that went by where somebody didn't want to come and
Speaker 1: talk to me about Bigfoot. And so I was just
Speaker 1: talking to the host and he wanted me to tell
Speaker 1: you my latest adventures in the bigfoot research. During the pandemic,
Speaker 1: I decided I was going to put a camp on
Speaker 1: my land. I had wanted to have one for years,
Speaker 1: but I really didn't have the time or the money
Speaker 1: to do it. But I'd saved up a little bit
Speaker 1: of money and I was going to build a camp.
Speaker 1: But then the pandemic hit and prices of wood went
Speaker 1: skyrocketing up, and I thought, well, I guess I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to put my dream in hold right now
Speaker 1: until everything settles down. Well, I saw an ad on
Speaker 1: Facebook that some Amish had put up a business not
Speaker 1: too far from where my land was, where they were
Speaker 1: building sheds, and the prices seemed pretty reasonable. So I
Speaker 1: contacted them and asked them about building me a shed
Speaker 1: with a man door in it instead of a big
Speaker 1: opening door. And some windows, and they said no problem,
Speaker 1: and I was able to get it within my budget
Speaker 1: and put it on my land. Well, the first year
Speaker 1: I was there, I did a lot of sprucing up
Speaker 1: around there. I cut brush and made myself a little
Speaker 1: long on, made a little fireplace outside, and I went
Speaker 1: back to the Amish woodmill. They sell scrap wood there
Speaker 1: for people to burn, like an outdoor fire pits and things.
Speaker 1: So I got a truckloaded of the wood and I
Speaker 1: brought it back to the camp and I unloaded it
Speaker 1: and I decided to mow the lawn. So I was
Speaker 1: busy working around the camp and I came back to
Speaker 1: my truck. There was a hayfield between me and the
Speaker 1: next property over, quite quite a long hayfield, I'd probably
Speaker 1: half a mile or more, and I saw something moving.
Speaker 1: There was a fence line that divides the property, and
Speaker 1: I saw something moving along the fence line, and I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: it's probably one of the Amish gentlemen walking out back
Speaker 1: there doing whatever, you know, he had to do. And
Speaker 1: I looked again and I noticed that it wasn't a person.
Speaker 1: It was it was a big foot and he was
Speaker 1: standing next to the fence watching me. And this was
Speaker 1: early in the summer. The grass was pretty high, but
Speaker 1: you know, people hadn't really been back doing hanging or
Speaker 1: any other farming yet they were you know, was still
Speaker 1: pretty early for that, and he was standing on the
Speaker 1: other side of the fence just watching me do what
Speaker 1: I was doing. So I went back into camp and
Speaker 1: I got a pair of binoculars and I come back
Speaker 1: out and I started watching him. Well after a minute
Speaker 1: or two, he realized that I had seen him, and
Speaker 1: he walked away, and he didn't seem like he was
Speaker 1: in too big of a hurry. He just kind of
Speaker 1: walked down along the fence and went back into the brush.
Speaker 1: So I thought, well, that was pretty cool. I got
Speaker 1: to see a big foot today, and I got getting
Speaker 1: work done. So I went back to what I was doing,
Speaker 1: and about a half an hour later, I walked back
Speaker 1: over to my truck again and I looked and he
Speaker 1: was back. Apparently he figured, you know, I had lost
Speaker 1: interest in him, and he but he hadn't lost interest
Speaker 1: in me, So he came back and was standing there
Speaker 1: watching me over the fence. And this time I tried
Speaker 1: to take a picture with my cell phone, but at
Speaker 1: the time I had a pretty crappy one, so I
Speaker 1: got your typical blurry bigfoot picture. But I did get
Speaker 1: a picture of him as best I could, and you
Speaker 1: could see he's there in the picture. He's towering quite
Speaker 1: the ways above the fence, and I'm thinking that maybe
Speaker 1: he is the juvenile that I saw, you know, a
Speaker 1: couple of years before that, and be grown up a
Speaker 1: little bit. When I saw him up close, he was
Speaker 1: about four foot tall, and this guy was probably at
Speaker 1: least my height, so he was around five ten or so.
Speaker 1: He wasn't huge, but he was, you know, big enough
Speaker 1: that you could tell that it was bigfoot, and especially
Speaker 1: looking at tu binoculars, I could see him quite well.
Speaker 1: I just wish i'd have had a better phone with
Speaker 1: me or a better camera so I could have got
Speaker 1: a better picture of him. But that was the last
Speaker 1: sighting I had. Now. As far as experiences, that's another story.
Speaker 1: I've had tons and tons of experiences over the period
Speaker 1: of time doing investigations and just being out in the woods.
Speaker 1: One of the most remarkable ones was I was at
Speaker 1: a convention down in Baltimore, Maryland, and I had done
Speaker 1: a panel at the convention on bigfoot research, and I
Speaker 1: had come back into the convention floor and was walking
Speaker 1: around and these three young ladies come up to me,
Speaker 1: and they had told me that they had been given
Speaker 1: my name, but they didn't know that I was going
Speaker 1: to be at the convention. It just happened to be
Speaker 1: a coincidence that we ran into each other. A couple
Speaker 1: of years before this, I had done a interview on
Speaker 1: a blog show that TAPS put out the ghost Hunters.
Speaker 1: They used to have the show ghost Hunters. The organization
Speaker 1: is called TAPS, and I had been on the show
Speaker 1: and talked about Bigfoot. Well, they had come up to
Speaker 1: the area where these three young ladies live and we're
Speaker 1: doing a ghost investigation of a haunted cemetery there. And
Speaker 1: while they were there, they were walking around in the
Speaker 1: cornfield next to the cemetery and they found bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 1: And they told the people there, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want somebody to follow up on this, you should get
Speaker 1: a hold of Dean. We know him. He was here
Speaker 1: not too far away. He possibly could come down and
Speaker 1: do an investigation. I told the ladies shore anytime, let
Speaker 1: me know when you want me to come in, and
Speaker 1: I'll be more unhappy to So I ended up doing
Speaker 1: two weekend investigations down in the area. It's called Bath,
Speaker 1: New York, and the name of the place is called
Speaker 1: Ebony Rose Farms. Is the area where I was, and
Speaker 1: the one young lady lived there. She had had a sighting.
Speaker 1: She had seen one standing on the back deck of
Speaker 1: her house and it was standing in the woodline looking
Speaker 1: at her. So I went over there and she showed
Speaker 1: me where she had seen it, and we did a
Speaker 1: little re enactment to try to figure out how big
Speaker 1: the bigfoot was. And I'm pretty sure she was telling
Speaker 1: me the truth, where you know, everything kind of added
Speaker 1: up what she had told me. So anyways, we used
Speaker 1: Eboney Rose Farms as a base camp for the research.
Speaker 1: Both weekends I was there, and the first day we
Speaker 1: went out, there was four of us that went there
Speaker 1: was because I didn't really know the area. So I
Speaker 1: was using this young man that was dating one of
Speaker 1: the girls as my guide, and she went and her
Speaker 1: mother went, and we were into like a kind of
Speaker 1: a swampy area where we started out, and the young
Speaker 1: man and I went down near the swamp and they
Speaker 1: stayed up kind of up on the higher ground. Well,
Speaker 1: we were down there for a little while and we
Speaker 1: were listening, and we did a couple of calls to
Speaker 1: see if we could get an answer back, and we
Speaker 1: thought we heard something, but it was quite a ways off,
Speaker 1: and while we were standing there, I heard somebody walking
Speaker 1: behind us, so I thought it was one of the
Speaker 1: young ladies was walking down to see us, or was
Speaker 1: just walking around and making noise, so I didn't think
Speaker 1: too much of it. So when we went back up
Speaker 1: and met back up with the two young ladies, I said, well,
Speaker 1: did you guys start coming down do you want did
Speaker 1: you want something? And they're like, we didn't move from
Speaker 1: the spot we thought you were coming back up the hill,
Speaker 1: So something walked between our two groups. The next morning
Speaker 1: we followed up on it and we did find what
Speaker 1: looked like some tracks, but it was you know, in
Speaker 1: the the leave debris and ranch bree so it wasn't
Speaker 1: anything solid, but you could see where something had definitely
Speaker 1: moved down through there. And we did find some scat
Speaker 1: further up the trail that looked like it could have
Speaker 1: been sasquash scat. It had pieces of fur in it
Speaker 1: and a few pieces of a small bone and some
Speaker 1: other things in it, so whatever it was, it was carnivore.
Speaker 1: It had eaten something, some kind of an animal, and
Speaker 1: we had the know had seen that. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: asked the young gentleman if there was any way we
Speaker 1: could get further down on the other side of the swamp,
Speaker 1: and he said, yes, there's an access road that goes
Speaker 1: down through the state land and there's you know, a
Speaker 1: little pond back in there on the other side of
Speaker 1: where the swamp is. So we went back up to
Speaker 1: the house and we told the owners what we were
Speaker 1: going to do. And by this point, the young lady
Speaker 1: that had had the sighting was was home and she
Speaker 1: wanted to go with us. So her mother told us, well,
Speaker 1: sure you can go with us with them, but do
Speaker 1: whatever Dean tells you to do, okay, So don't screw around,
Speaker 1: you know, be polite and be you know, well behaved,
Speaker 1: and you can go. So she agreed to that, so
Speaker 1: we went up there. So this time we had the
Speaker 1: same group plus her. So again her and I and
Speaker 1: the young gentleman it was kind of my guide. We
Speaker 1: went down near the pond while the other group stayed
Speaker 1: back a little ways. So while we were down by
Speaker 1: the pond, we did a couple of calls, and we
Speaker 1: could hear some rustling around in the brush, but we
Speaker 1: couldn't see anything. So I told the young gentleman, so,
Speaker 1: why don't you go get a stick and go up
Speaker 1: a little ways and find a tree and do a
Speaker 1: couple of wood knocks and see if maybe that'll get
Speaker 1: some response for them. And I told the young lady
Speaker 1: to go with him, So I stayed down by the
Speaker 1: water and they went up and they did a couple
Speaker 1: of wood knocks. Well, we almost immediately got a response,
Speaker 1: and I guess I didn't give the enough instructions that
Speaker 1: they had to be quiet, because as soon as they
Speaker 1: heard the wood knocking, they're like, did you hear that?
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? I could hear them down by
Speaker 1: the pond talking to each other, So they come running
Speaker 1: down there and they're like, did you hear that? Means
Speaker 1: you hear that? I go, yeah, I heard it, but
Speaker 1: we're probably done for the night, because the whole idea
Speaker 1: of this is to make them think we're another bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And I says, you know, by you talking, we've probably
Speaker 1: alerted them that were people. And it started to drizzle
Speaker 1: rain a little bit, so I was kind of thinking
Speaker 1: about getting out of there anyway, so we decided to
Speaker 1: call it quit. So we started walking back towards where
Speaker 1: the trucks were. Now, like I said, it was rain
Speaker 1: and so it was an overcast night, so there was
Speaker 1: like no light, you know, the moon was not shining,
Speaker 1: and the start you couldn't have any star or anything
Speaker 1: through the clouds. So it was pretty darn dark. So
Speaker 1: we're walking up the hill and the young gentleman says,
Speaker 1: I'll go first because I know where I'm going. You
Speaker 1: guys follow me. So I was walking behind him, and
Speaker 1: the young lady was standing walking next to me, and
Speaker 1: she leans into me and she goes, boy, it is
Speaker 1: kind of hard to walk here in the dark, isn't it?
Speaker 1: And she no more and got those words out of
Speaker 1: her mouth. When we got another woodknock, and it was
Speaker 1: right on top of us. We couldn't see anything as
Speaker 1: it being so dark, but I was guessing the thing
Speaker 1: was less than the Bigfoot was less than fifty yards
Speaker 1: away from this. It was close, and I think every
Speaker 1: paranormal investigator has had this experience. I call it a
Speaker 1: Scooby Doo moment. She was grabbing handfuls of me and
Speaker 1: trying to climb right up on my backs. And she
Speaker 1: was screaming, it's right over there, It's right over there.
Speaker 1: And I started laughing and I'm like, yeah, it's right
Speaker 1: over there. I said. But it's not going to hurt you.
Speaker 1: I said, if it wanted to hurt you, it would have.
Speaker 1: I says, it's just letting you know, Hey, this is
Speaker 1: my spot. You guys need to go. So we got
Speaker 1: back to the farm and I was telling her mom,
Speaker 1: I'm about to you know what happened. And her mom
Speaker 1: started laughing and she's like, you're not as tough as
Speaker 1: you think you are, you to her daughter. And so
Speaker 1: that was that was pretty cool experience. The young lady
Speaker 1: and I got along real well in the family and
Speaker 1: we kind of bonded. And the young lady graduated two
Speaker 1: years ago from college and she asked her mom if
Speaker 1: she can invite me to the graduation party, which they
Speaker 1: had a bonfire and they had a bunch of her
Speaker 1: friends from college and her family were all there. And
Speaker 1: so anyways, the young people, you know, they did what
Speaker 1: they were going to do at a graduation party. They had,
Speaker 1: you know, enough to drink and everything, and so they
Speaker 1: kind of wandered off and went back to their tentcer
Speaker 1: their camps wherever they were going, and the only people
Speaker 1: left at the fire or myself and her parents and
Speaker 1: so oh, probably about eleven eleven thirty, we heard a
Speaker 1: pack of coyotes and they sounded like they had something down.
Speaker 1: They had a successful hunt. They had taken down a
Speaker 1: deer or something. And they sounded like they were pretty close,
Speaker 1: but you know, not real real close, but you know,
Speaker 1: fairly close to where we were. So anything's everything quieted down.
Speaker 1: So I said, well, they're feeding, that's what they're doing. Now.
Speaker 1: They got they killed whatever they were going to kill,
Speaker 1: and now they're feeding. So about fifteen to twenty minutes later,
Speaker 1: we heard a bigfoot aggressive howl. I mean a big one.
Speaker 1: I mean it was like just a screaming, aggressive, growley howl.
Speaker 1: And the two parents that were set at the fire
Speaker 1: with me, they had they jumped up and they goes
Speaker 1: that I think that was and yeah, I said, that's
Speaker 1: a bigfoot cowl. And I said, you know, what else
Speaker 1: just happened? And they're like what And I go to
Speaker 1: the coyotes, he's just lost their dinner and they started laughing.
Speaker 1: I go, yeah, this sounds like it came right from
Speaker 1: the same spot. I says, he's chasing them off and
Speaker 1: he's going to take what he wants, so they're killing
Speaker 1: and uh, we just you know, we just had a
Speaker 1: good time. You know, we listened for a while longer,
Speaker 1: but everything was was pretty silent. But over at my
Speaker 1: research camp, I've I've gotten lots of responses back there.
Speaker 1: I've gotten howls, I've gotten wood knocks. I had one
Speaker 1: come by the camp one night while I was sleeping
Speaker 1: and slapped the side of the camp, So I know
Speaker 1: they're still in there. They haven't moved off. There's still
Speaker 1: at least they They come through there occasionally. Because I've
Speaker 1: had encounters with them. I've been gifting them back there,
Speaker 1: bringing them you know, cookies and things like that, and
Speaker 1: I have a spot where I leave them, and I
Speaker 1: can always tell if they take him or some other
Speaker 1: animal took them, because when they take them, they take
Speaker 1: the whole package. If something else gets in them, they
Speaker 1: eat it right there and leave the wrappers. But the Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: they'll they'll take the whole thing. They'll take the whole
Speaker 1: package of cookies or the candie bars or whatever I
Speaker 1: leave there for them. I have a grandson that lives
Speaker 1: down in South Carolina, and he came up to visit
Speaker 1: me for a couple of weeks, and I took him
Speaker 1: back to the camp to go camping. And I had
Speaker 1: another gentleman that I had invited back because he likes
Speaker 1: coming back there and hanging out when I'm there, so
Speaker 1: I invited him to come too, and I told him, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw some hot dogs on the grill
Speaker 1: and Jason and I are going to have a fire,
Speaker 1: you know, come on back. So we were there for
Speaker 1: a little while, and I went off to use the
Speaker 1: little boy's tree, and I thought I heard something walk
Speaker 1: by me. But I wasn't thinking bigfoot. I don't have
Speaker 1: big quist stuck on the brain where I every little
Speaker 1: noise I hear I think is a big foot. I
Speaker 1: figured out it could be a deer, could be something else,
Speaker 1: so I wasn't really thinking too much about it. So
Speaker 1: I went back to the camp and I got the
Speaker 1: hot dog started, and my grandson was hanging out listening
Speaker 1: to his iPod or whatever they call that thing with
Speaker 1: the earphones, and all of a sudden I heard some
Speaker 1: wood knocking and I roused him. I was, hey, take
Speaker 1: take the earphones off. You're going to want to hear this.
Speaker 1: So he did, and we could hear the wood knock
Speaker 1: kept repeating. So we walked away from the camp, probably
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred yards, and we were standing on
Speaker 1: the edge of the woods towards the field and it
Speaker 1: sounded like the wood knocking was coming from the other
Speaker 1: side of the field. So we were standing there and
Speaker 1: we were listening to that, and my friend showed up.
Speaker 1: He pulled in with his jeep and the wood knocking stopped.
Speaker 1: So he got out of the jeep and he says,
Speaker 1: what are you guys doing And I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: we're hearing wood knocking back here. He goes, really, and
Speaker 1: we're like yeah. So he came over and stood with us,
Speaker 1: and we probably stood there for fifteen twenty minutes and
Speaker 1: we didn't hear anything else. So we started to go
Speaker 1: back to the camp to you know, have our hot
Speaker 1: dogs and everything, and so he said which tree we
Speaker 1: use and I kind of laughed. I said, just anyone
Speaker 1: over there. So he walked away to go to the tree,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, bang, we had a wood
Speaker 1: knock and it was real close. It was near the
Speaker 1: camp he come running around the camp. He goes, you
Speaker 1: didn't do that, did you? And I'm like, no, I've
Speaker 1: been standing right here next to the girl. I didn't
Speaker 1: do anything. And he's like, holy cow. He goes, that
Speaker 1: was close, and I'm like, yep. So I walked over
Speaker 1: towards where I said, must have been this tree over here.
Speaker 1: So I started to walk kind of towards that tree,
Speaker 1: and I looked down on the ground, and on the
Speaker 1: ground just a little ways off the corner of the
Speaker 1: camp were like a little circle, like oval shape, or
Speaker 1: four corn cobs and seven little potatoes. And I know
Speaker 1: they weren't there before. They weren't there when we got
Speaker 1: to the camp, So I think that they were gifted
Speaker 1: me back. And I'm thinking maybe that's what the whole
Speaker 1: thing with the wood knocking was that they were trying
Speaker 1: to distract me away from the camp, and the closer
Speaker 1: one put that stuff there, and that was probably the
Speaker 1: one that did the wood knock. When my friend walked
Speaker 1: away from the camp, I'm thinking, well, I didn't go
Speaker 1: that summer. I was there quite a bit, but the
Speaker 1: summer after that, I wasn't there very much. I temporarily
Speaker 1: had moved away to Pennsylvania, but things didn't work out there,
Speaker 1: so I came back and I had been to the
Speaker 1: camp for a while, so I went in there and
Speaker 1: I started cleaning the camp up, and I found a
Speaker 1: jar of pickled sausages that I left there, and they'd
Speaker 1: probably been there two years. I forgot about them, and
Speaker 1: they gotten stuck in the back of a cabinet, and
Speaker 1: I go, well, these aren't, you know, probably suitable for
Speaker 1: human consumption. So I was going to throw them away,
Speaker 1: so I took them outside and I set them on
Speaker 1: the picknic table. And my plan was I was going
Speaker 1: to pick them up when I left with the other garbage,
Speaker 1: and you know, take them and dispose of them. Well,
Speaker 1: I got busy doing other things and I totally forgot
Speaker 1: about the sausages. So about a week later, I came
Speaker 1: back and I looked over and the jar was setting
Speaker 1: still on the picnic table, but it was open and
Speaker 1: all the sausages were gone. So I felt bad. I say, boy,
Speaker 1: I hope those sauceges just didn't make them sick, because
Speaker 1: I don't know they were in a pickle brine. But still,
Speaker 1: you know, they've been there a long time, so I'm
Speaker 1: hoping that that I didn't, you know, accidentally make one
Speaker 1: of them sick and you know, pick him off. But
Speaker 1: you could tell that there was no bite marks. There
Speaker 1: was no marks on the jar. There was, you know,
Speaker 1: on the cover. It was a plastic cover. There was
Speaker 1: it had to be something with a hand had taken
Speaker 1: the lid off the jar, and I had left it there,
Speaker 1: setting up right on the table. And I feel if
Speaker 1: it had been some kind of other animal that, you know,
Speaker 1: it would have been on the ground, it would have
Speaker 1: been chewed on, et cetera. But I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 1: one of the local bigfoot got the sausages. Last summer,
Speaker 1: I was back there one night and I had done
Speaker 1: a couple of whoops just to see if I'd get
Speaker 1: any kind of response, and I hadn't heard nothing. But
Speaker 1: this was kind of a strange thing for me because
Speaker 1: I'm out in the woods a lot. I've been going
Speaker 1: out in the woods since I was a small child
Speaker 1: with my grandfather. My grandfather took me hunting, took me fishing,
Speaker 1: took me everywhere, taught me a lot of things about
Speaker 1: the woods. And so I'm not afraid of the woods.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can be in the woods anytime of
Speaker 1: the day or night and doesn't really bother me. But
Speaker 1: this particular night, something wasn't. Right after I did the whoops,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. I didn't get any response for
Speaker 1: quite a long time, so I went I had a
Speaker 1: fire going, so I was going back between the fire
Speaker 1: and walking out into the dark and listening. And I
Speaker 1: had just left the fire and I got back out
Speaker 1: out of the site. You know, I wasn't casting a
Speaker 1: shadow or anything from the fire. I walked along the
Speaker 1: tree line and I was standing there just watching and listening,
Speaker 1: and I heard something. It was a strange noise. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like the Bigfoot noises I've heard before, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't a coyote or anything like that. It was just
Speaker 1: a strange noise. It was kind of a deep, guttural
Speaker 1: kind of growl, but it didn't sound to me like
Speaker 1: one that I've heard big Foot make before. And it
Speaker 1: spooked me, and I had never been spooked like that before.
Speaker 1: It really really spooked me to the point where I
Speaker 1: went back to the fire and stoked the fire up
Speaker 1: real big and I didn't go back out in the
Speaker 1: field that night, and I don't know, I just gave
Speaker 1: me such an uneasy feeling. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: that was, but I don't think it was a big foot.
Speaker 1: I think it might have been something else. I'm not
Speaker 1: a big believer in dog man or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I think that most dog maned sightings are probably misidentified bigfoot.
Speaker 1: But it was just a weird, weird sensation, and I
Speaker 1: shared it with another researcher that I that I team
Speaker 1: up with once in a while, and his first response was,
Speaker 1: it was a dog man. It was a dog man,
Speaker 1: But in the area where I live, I have never
Speaker 1: heard of a dog man sighting. Big foot sightings. Yes,
Speaker 1: tons and tons and tons of big foot sightings, but
Speaker 1: I've never heard of a dog man sighting. So I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what it was that I encountered that night,
Speaker 1: but it was It was definitely something that spooked me
Speaker 1: a little bit. And like I said, I've never had
Speaker 1: that feeling or since. It was just that one particular night.
Speaker 1: I went to a meeting of some of the other
Speaker 1: researchers in the area and we were swapping stories and
Speaker 1: one of the researchers there was an x CEO. And
Speaker 1: I haven't told this story very much because Originally, I
Speaker 1: was afraid that they might trace it back to him,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't supposed to tell the story. But since
Speaker 1: then I've gotten his permission to tell the story, as
Speaker 1: long as I leave his name out of it. But
Speaker 1: there was a breakout on a prison up in our
Speaker 1: area several years ago. In fact, they made a movie
Speaker 1: about it because there was an inside help one of
Speaker 1: the women that worked there helping the two guys escape,
Speaker 1: and they were at large for a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and one of them ended up being shot and killed
Speaker 1: by state troopers and the other one was shot when
Speaker 1: he was almost at the Canadian border, but he survived
Speaker 1: and got transferred to a maximum security prison somewhere down south.
Speaker 1: But anyway, the CEO told me that he was listening
Speaker 1: to the CEO band that he has on one of
Speaker 1: his radios that's not open to the general public. But
Speaker 1: since he's retired, he always to less some of his
Speaker 1: equipment so he could listen in on certain things. And
Speaker 1: he said he had it on because of course he
Speaker 1: was professionally interested in this search for these guys. And
Speaker 1: he said that he recognized the guy's voice that came
Speaker 1: on the radio, and he said we need backup. We
Speaker 1: need backup now. And then a few minutes later he
Speaker 1: came back on and he was even more panicked. He goes,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we need back up and we need
Speaker 1: it here right now. And then a few minutes later,
Speaker 1: another voice came on the radio and said, I want
Speaker 1: total silence. Nobody used the blah blah blah radio. Everybody
Speaker 1: stay off the radio. So he thought, well, they must
Speaker 1: have cornered these guys. So he went over and he
Speaker 1: turned on the TV just because we had like wall
Speaker 1: to wall coverage up here the local TV stations because
Speaker 1: this was a big story, and so he turned it
Speaker 1: on to see if there was going to be any
Speaker 1: news slashes. Oh, they've been apprehended. Blah blah blah. Nothing,
Speaker 1: not a single thing. So he said he was at
Speaker 1: a meeting of the retired CEOs and he ran into
Speaker 1: the guy whose voice he recognized, and he says to him, hey,
Speaker 1: He goes, what was going on? You know? Blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: He says, okay, so I'll tell you. He goes, but
Speaker 1: don't tell anybody, and he's like, what's that. He goes,
Speaker 1: we shot and killed two bigfoot and he goes, you
Speaker 1: did what And he goes, yeah, he goes, we thought
Speaker 1: it was the two escapees. We tried to get them
Speaker 1: to surrender, were yelling at them, they weren't responding to commands,
Speaker 1: and the state police sharpshooter shot him and we killed
Speaker 1: two bigfoot And he goes, well, what happened to him?
Speaker 1: He goes, military helicopter came in and took him away. So,
Speaker 1: right after he had told me that I had permission
Speaker 1: to tell the story, I was at a convention and
Speaker 1: I was doing a big Foot panel and I told
Speaker 1: the story, and I think it was the only time
Speaker 1: I ever told it at a convention, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: even done it on my big foot. I do a
Speaker 1: little Bigfoot stories on TikTok, and I didn't even tell
Speaker 1: the story there because you know, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of local people that follow me, and I didn't want
Speaker 1: them to try to figure out who it was that
Speaker 1: told me the story. I was trying to protect them
Speaker 1: a little bit. Well, about two or three weeks after
Speaker 1: I did this panel, I got a message sent to me,
Speaker 1: anonymous message sent to me, and the guy said, are
Speaker 1: you the group just telling the story about the breakout
Speaker 1: and the two Bigfoot being killed, and I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have told the story, but not very often. A
Speaker 1: couple of times. They go, it would be in your
Speaker 1: best interest not to tell that story anymore. And that
Speaker 1: was basically the message I got. So it kind of
Speaker 1: ticked me off because I don't respond well the threats.
Speaker 1: I never have. I always stood up the bullies when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and I pretty much stood up
Speaker 1: the bullies my whole life. And I don't like people
Speaker 1: bullying other people, and I do do it myself and
Speaker 1: I don't like to see it. So it's gotten me
Speaker 1: in a couple of scrapes over the years because that's
Speaker 1: my attitude towards bullies. So I posted on my I said, well,
Speaker 1: they know who I am, so they must be watching
Speaker 1: my bigfoot stories on TikTok. So I went on there
Speaker 1: and I challenged them. I said, whoever this person is,
Speaker 1: I am willing to meet with you and talk about this.
Speaker 1: And I gave them a place at a time, and
Speaker 1: they never showed up and I never heard from them again.
Speaker 1: So after that, I did put the story on my Facebook,
Speaker 1: or excuse me, on my Facebook. On my TikTok, I
Speaker 1: did put the story on there, and so far, knock
Speaker 1: on wood, they haven't done anything to me that I
Speaker 1: know of I have, you know, haven't heard from them again,
Speaker 1: or they haven't followed through on the threat that they
Speaker 1: that they made other that I had. One guy I
Speaker 1: think might have been affiliated with him made a comment
Speaker 1: on the story about well, you're not telling the whole
Speaker 1: story or something like that was his comment. But anyways,
Speaker 1: I told as much of it as I felt like
Speaker 1: could and protect the people that were involved. So that
Speaker 1: happened about maybe three or four months ago. I think
Speaker 1: it was late fall. It happened since then, Like I
Speaker 1: was telling you earlier, I haven't had a chance to
Speaker 1: get back out to my research area because we had
Speaker 1: a lot of snow this year. We set a record
Speaker 1: in the place I lived for snow this year. It
Speaker 1: was just tons and tons of snow. And the place
Speaker 1: I have is only accessible by a dirt road, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's probably still very very muddy, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to tear the road up. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to wait here for another few weeks, and then I'm
Speaker 1: going to go back over to my research area and
Speaker 1: get things ready for the upcoming summer season and fall
Speaker 1: season of bigfoot research in that area. I have one
Speaker 1: on one eyewitness report investigation and I went with a
Speaker 1: member of the BRFO and we went over interview to
Speaker 1: a gentleman who had been having suspicious activity on his property.
Speaker 1: We found the guy to be very credible. We didn't
Speaker 1: find any evidence, no tracks or anything, but he took
Speaker 1: us on a tour of where the things were happening,
Speaker 1: and from what he was saying, we came to the
Speaker 1: conclusion that he probably had had a Bigfoot move through
Speaker 1: his area. One of the things that he was describing
Speaker 1: was is that the deer were acting real funny. He
Speaker 1: said he came home from work one night and there
Speaker 1: was four or five deer huddle right up against his
Speaker 1: house like they were scared to go back to the woods.
Speaker 1: And he said, even after I got home and pulled
Speaker 1: in the driveway, he says, they didn't move. He says,
Speaker 1: they stayed right there next to my house. He goes,
Speaker 1: just as close as they possibly could get to it.
Speaker 1: He goes a couple were even leaning against the wall.
Speaker 1: He says it seemed like something had spooked them so
Speaker 1: bad they just did not want to go into the woods.
Speaker 1: And so we really felt that the guy was you know,
Speaker 1: was credible, and that he probably did have some kind
Speaker 1: of a big foot encounter.
Speaker 2: You sure, do you live an exciting life, Dean. There
Speaker 2: are so many people listening who give the left arm
Speaker 2: to have half the amount of excitement as you do.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's heard it said that if you
Speaker 1: actually go out looking, you probably won't have anything happen.
Speaker 1: And that's usually kind of my attitude. I don't go
Speaker 1: looking most of the time, unless I'm following up on
Speaker 1: an eyewitness. I go to the woods a lot with
Speaker 1: no expectations. I mean, I go out there. I hunt deer.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything else, just deer. But I go
Speaker 1: out there, I hunt deer. I'm looking for deer, I'm
Speaker 1: not looking for bigfoot. But it seems that the bigfoot
Speaker 1: kind of find me for some reason. I think maybe
Speaker 1: that they've realized over the years that I'm not there
Speaker 1: to hurt them because I do a lot of my
Speaker 1: research in the same area, within a probably ten mile
Speaker 1: square area, I do most of my research, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure they've seen me a lot more than I've seen them.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you would call it trust,
Speaker 1: but I think maybe they they've gotten realize that, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not there to mess with them, and so I
Speaker 1: think that's maybe some of the reason why they've they've
Speaker 1: let me see things and that they've interacted with me
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: When I used to go golfing, when I had time
Speaker 2: to do that, that is, I'd be out there just
Speaker 2: taking in all the beauty of I guess you could
Speaker 2: call it nature, because a golf course is like an
Speaker 2: ecosystem in and of itself. I'd be out there just
Speaker 2: taking in how beautiful it was out there, and just
Speaker 2: enjoying the experience. If I shot a good round, that's great.
Speaker 2: If I didn't, it's still great to be out there
Speaker 2: with you. It's a win win situation. Also, because you're
Speaker 2: enjoying the woods, You're enjoying just the experience of being
Speaker 2: out there. And guess what comes along with that, the
Speaker 2: fact that, like you said, you're not actually looking for them.
Speaker 2: That just increases the odds of them coming to you
Speaker 2: and you're having more experiences. So yeah, sure sounds like
Speaker 2: a win win to me.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the people I run into
Speaker 1: that don't believe in Bigfoot. They never go in the woods.
Speaker 1: You know, oh, there's no such thing as big Well,
Speaker 1: how do you know, Well, they would have found one
Speaker 1: by now they have, but you know, and you just
Speaker 1: they just you don't have all these generic answers, but
Speaker 1: they expect you to have specific answers where you can't
Speaker 1: actually give them. Most of the time, you can't give
Speaker 1: them specific answers. You can't give them specific evidence because
Speaker 1: of the situation, you know, but they just make these generalizations.
Speaker 1: All they can't exist. There's not sure they can. There's
Speaker 1: plenty of habitat for them. There's plenty of unexplored areas.
Speaker 1: You know, there's places even where I live and it's
Speaker 1: fairly well populated as farmers. There's homis, there's you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people around here. But there's still areas
Speaker 1: here that probably nobody has ever been to, or if
Speaker 1: they've been there, they maybe once every ten or twenty years,
Speaker 1: maybe somebody wanders through there. You know, there's just so
Speaker 1: much woods. I mean, I know there's area of woods
Speaker 1: that I bet some of the places hasn't seen a
Speaker 1: human being in fifty years that I know of, you know,
Speaker 1: just because of the location, and there's no reason for
Speaker 1: anybody to go there there's plenty of places where the
Speaker 1: bigfoot can live and stay out of sight. I had
Speaker 1: an experience, probably about twenty years ago, where I think
Speaker 1: I might even ran into one in the woods. I
Speaker 1: was home. It was the last day of hunting season.
Speaker 1: I just got home from hunting. I shot a buck
Speaker 1: earlier in the day, and a friend of mine called
Speaker 1: me and he said, hey, I saw your car near
Speaker 1: the logging road. He goes, and were you back there
Speaker 1: hunting today and I said yeah, and his land is
Speaker 1: on the other side of where I was, and he said,
Speaker 1: did you happen to see my dog? And I go no,
Speaker 1: I didn't see a dog at all. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: my dog came up missing. He can't I can't find
Speaker 1: my dog. And he goes, my dog likes to run
Speaker 1: around the woods behind the farm, he goes, and I
Speaker 1: thought that's it was, But he never come home. And
Speaker 1: I says, well, do you want me to come help
Speaker 1: you look for it? And he said, well, would you mind?
Speaker 1: I'm like no. By this time, I was starting to
Speaker 1: get pretty dark, and so I didn't want to go
Speaker 1: into the woods. I didn't want to drive my truck
Speaker 1: into the on the logging road. Because the game wardens
Speaker 1: up there they patrol and if they saw a vehicle
Speaker 1: back there, they probably think I was jack and deer
Speaker 1: illegally because you can't hunt at night. And so I
Speaker 1: parked my car at my mother's house, which is not
Speaker 1: too far from where the Logan Rode is. I parked
Speaker 1: my car there and I walked and the wind was
Speaker 1: coming from the north, and I was kind of walking
Speaker 1: into the wind. It was sitting me right in the face,
Speaker 1: and there was a lot of We call it buck
Speaker 1: brush up here, but it's got a million different names.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a wiry brush and it's real thick,
Speaker 1: and the deer like to hang out in it. It
Speaker 1: makes a good cover for the deer, So that's basically
Speaker 1: how it got its name. We call it buck brush
Speaker 1: because the buck still hang out in this brush. So
Speaker 1: I'm walking, I didn't want to go down the road.
Speaker 1: I figured, well, i'll walk across the field. I'll go
Speaker 1: through this little area buck brush, and then i'll cut
Speaker 1: back into the field. Then I'll go up onto the
Speaker 1: logging road and I'll start calling the dog and see
Speaker 1: if maybe the dog got lost and he's over on
Speaker 1: the land that belongs to my brother. So I'm walking
Speaker 1: through this brush and I walked right into something. I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. I couldn't see it in
Speaker 1: the dark, but it had it was an animal of
Speaker 1: some kind. And you know, like I said, I don't
Speaker 1: normally think everything is a bigfoot. But the only reason
Speaker 1: I think this might have been a bigfoot was because
Speaker 1: of the noise that made. Now a deer, you know,
Speaker 1: they make a certain kind of noise or they don't
Speaker 1: say nothing at all, but this thing went oh, and
Speaker 1: I go, who's that? And I really my first instinct
Speaker 1: was it was a person. I go, who's that? And
Speaker 1: as soon as I said that, it was gone. So
Speaker 1: I can't prove that, but I think I might have
Speaker 1: walked into one that was standing in that brush. And
Speaker 1: it probably didn't smell me because they're like I said,
Speaker 1: the women was blowing into my face walking in there,
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking maybe it thought I was another bigfoot
Speaker 1: coming up behind it or whatever. But I did walk
Speaker 1: into some kind of animal. And I'm not swearing that
Speaker 1: it was a big foot, but just of the noise
Speaker 1: it made. It sounded more like a person making a noise,
Speaker 1: and it did what i'd expect from a deer or
Speaker 1: something like that. But you know, it's it's just one
Speaker 1: of those things. You got to be in the woods
Speaker 1: to see a bigfoot, and a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 1: that's my first advice when people ask me about going
Speaker 1: bigfooting and what should I do? Go in the woods.
Speaker 1: You know, make an effort. Go in the woods. Don't
Speaker 1: go to some state park. Go into woods, get permission
Speaker 1: from somebody, or find woods that's you know, that state
Speaker 1: land where it's a lot. You're allowed to go in there.
Speaker 1: Get into the woods. That's the only way you're going
Speaker 1: to see one. You're not going to see one sitting
Speaker 1: in front of the TV unless you're watching Finding Bigfoot
Speaker 1: or something like that. That's the only time you're going
Speaker 1: to see one on TV. You're not going to see one,
Speaker 1: you know, or the only time you're going to see
Speaker 1: a big foot. You got to get out in the field.
Speaker 1: Got to get out into the woods wherever you know,
Speaker 1: and look around, find out where people have seen them,
Speaker 1: ask around, get on the line, look up BRFO. I'm
Speaker 1: not a big fan of the BRFO, but they do
Speaker 1: have a great database where bigfoot s ideas are that
Speaker 1: and that's the other way. And if you go out
Speaker 1: there and you don't see nothing, at least you got
Speaker 1: out into the woods. You didn't waste your day you
Speaker 1: were out in the woods. That's worth it in itself.
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: It sure is. It's a win win. If you've had
Speaker 2: a Bigfoot siding and would like to be a guest,
Speaker 2: please go to bigfoote witness dot com and let me know.
Speaker 2: Touching on what you said just a bit ago about
Speaker 2: the skeptics, it's funny how so many other ideas about
Speaker 2: why sasquatch can't be out there based on false assumptions.
Speaker 2: When you nail them down and get them to reveal
Speaker 2: while they're so sure that sasquatch can't be out there,
Speaker 2: it's false assumption after false assumption.
Speaker 1: I had one skeptic that was always on my case,
Speaker 1: Oh you're crazy, you're making this up, you're lying, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And I mean, and he just was over
Speaker 1: the top. I mean, I can see a skeptic, I
Speaker 1: talked to a million of them, but this guy was
Speaker 1: just over the top about how anti bigfoot existence he was.
Speaker 1: So finally one day he was off on a tangent
Speaker 1: about it, and I said, so, when did you have
Speaker 1: your sighting? And he stopped dead and he just looked
Speaker 1: at me. He goes, would you say? And I go,
Speaker 1: when did you see a bigfoot? And he didn't answer
Speaker 1: me for a minute or two, and he goes, I
Speaker 1: didn't see bigfoot. I go, you sure, He goes, well,
Speaker 1: I saw something, but it wasn't bigfoot. I could just
Speaker 1: tell he was. You know, what's the old saying. I
Speaker 1: think thou dost protest too much. He just was so
Speaker 1: over the top. He was a dial that he'd seen something.
Speaker 1: My sister's the same way. She saw a bigfoot, and
Speaker 1: I know darnwell she saw one, but she said it
Speaker 1: was a bear walking out of hige legs. First of all,
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of bear in our area.
Speaker 1: We don't. Very rarely is there a bear of a
Speaker 1: reported being seen in the area where I live. They're
Speaker 1: mostly down in the Adirondacks. They haven't wandered as far
Speaker 1: north as we are, So you know, she set a
Speaker 1: bear on its hind legs walked a half a mile
Speaker 1: behind her house from one tree line to the other.
Speaker 1: She didn't see the whole thing. She saw it at night.
Speaker 1: She could see its eyes. They were having a fire
Speaker 1: in her backyard and they saw it in the firelight.
Speaker 1: I know she saw bigfoot, but she won't admit it,
Speaker 1: but she saw one.
Speaker 2: You didn't know that beers walked that far on their
Speaker 2: hind legs.
Speaker 1: Steam Oh, I know how far they can walk, and
Speaker 1: they didn't walk that far. If it must have been
Speaker 1: a super circus bear to do that.
Speaker 2: It was just you know, yeah, I'd say it must
Speaker 2: have been to walk that far. That's a good distance.
Speaker 1: So I've been in the woods. I'm sixty two years
Speaker 1: old and probably fifty I don't know, fifty four or
Speaker 1: five of that, I've been in the woods off and
Speaker 1: on and out. Of all the time i've been in
Speaker 1: the woods, all the hundreds and hundreds of hours i've
Speaker 1: been in the woods, I've seen more bigfoot than I
Speaker 1: have bear. I've seen one bear and all that time,
Speaker 1: and it was a cub and it saw me. I
Speaker 1: saw it, turned around, ran the other way, and because
Speaker 1: of its size, I thought, well, there's got to be
Speaker 1: a big mom around here somewhere, so maybe it's time
Speaker 1: for me to go home. So I turned around, walked
Speaker 1: out of the woods that day, and I didn't go
Speaker 1: back the rest of the day. But that was the
Speaker 1: only time I've ever seen one. In all those years
Speaker 1: and all those hundreds and probably thousands of hours I've
Speaker 1: been in the woods, that's the only time i ever
Speaker 1: saw one.
Speaker 2: Well, they do a pretty good job of avoiding us,
Speaker 2: so I'm not surprised. There's been a big buzz lately
Speaker 2: about the so called holding my quotation fingers up, the
Speaker 2: bunking of the Patterson Gimlin film. Dean, did you hear
Speaker 2: about that? And if you did, yeah, what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: And my experience about every ten or fifteen years they
Speaker 1: come out and say we've debunked it, and it's usually
Speaker 1: the same old stories over and over again, the same
Speaker 1: people that said that they were. There's been at least
Speaker 1: three different people that have said they were the ones
Speaker 1: in the costume, and they've all been proven to be
Speaker 1: full of it. And that film has been examined more
Speaker 1: than the Supruder film has been examined. You know, the
Speaker 1: fascination of Kennedy and I just believe that that is
Speaker 1: a real film of a big foot. The physics, if
Speaker 1: you even just go on the science, the physics don't
Speaker 1: work out for it to be a person. The stride,
Speaker 1: the way the limbs bend, the gait. Science has pretty
Speaker 1: much proven that that is an animate creature that's not
Speaker 1: a human.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, when you really get down to the nuts
Speaker 2: and bolts of that film, it's a lot easier just
Speaker 2: to accept that it shows a and then documented Haman did,
Speaker 2: then it being some type of a hoax. If you
Speaker 2: don't believe that film is genuine, you just don't want
Speaker 2: to believe that it's genuine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Bigfoot that I've seen in person look
Speaker 1: incredibly a lot like the Patterson film, the way they move,
Speaker 1: the distribution of the hair. The juvenile juvenile was the
Speaker 1: one that I saw the closest, and he had less
Speaker 1: hair on his face, but just proportion it wise, even
Speaker 1: though he was smaller, just the way the body, the
Speaker 1: arm length, you know, the way it walked and everything
Speaker 1: was remarkably close to what you see in the Patterson film.
Speaker 2: So you've seen mostly type ones, then.
Speaker 1: The sightings I've had have been closed. Yeah, I've are
Speaker 1: definitely I would say type ones. The juvenile I saw,
Speaker 1: I was only less than fifty yards away from him.
Speaker 1: I mean I saw him real good. The other ones
Speaker 1: I've been a little bit of distance away. The big
Speaker 1: male I saw, I was probably seventy five or eighty
Speaker 1: yards away from him, and I only saw him from
Speaker 1: the chest up. He stood up. He was in brush
Speaker 1: and he stuck his head up out of the brush
Speaker 1: and looked around. That was the first setting I ever had,
Speaker 1: and I only got to see him from the chest up,
Speaker 1: and only for maybe two or three seconds, just enough
Speaker 1: to realize what it was. And he was gone in
Speaker 1: a flash. And I don't think he ever knew I
Speaker 1: was there. I was in total camouflage and I was
Speaker 1: in the shade of the woodline, sitting down behind a rock.
Speaker 1: And I don't think he ever saw me. He was
Speaker 1: just moving positions. I think he was doing the same
Speaker 1: exact thing I was doing. He was hunting deer, and
Speaker 1: I was on one side of the clearing and he
Speaker 1: was on the other, and he, you know, he was booming.
Speaker 1: He was gone. I saw what I think was the
Speaker 1: big female. I saw her from probably two hundred yards away.
Speaker 1: She stuck her head out from behind a tree, played
Speaker 1: peekaboo with me for a minute, and then took off.
Speaker 1: That was only a couple of weeks after, I saw
Speaker 1: the juvenile real close, and I think that she let
Speaker 1: me see her on purpose. I don't know what her
Speaker 1: motives are. I think it was either a reward to
Speaker 1: me because I was that close to her baby and
Speaker 1: didn't hurt it, or it was a warning to me, Hey,
Speaker 1: you know, you might have saw Mike youngin, but I'm
Speaker 1: here and I'm a lot bigger than he is. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It could have been one of the other,
Speaker 1: but I really felt that that was sighting was on purpose,
Speaker 1: that she let me see her, because if she could
Speaker 1: have stayed where she wasn't and not moving around, and
Speaker 1: I would not have known she was there.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I wonder if they didn't want to see them
Speaker 2: just to see our reactions.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know they do stuff like that. I got
Speaker 1: a friend that's a big footter and she's down in Maryland,
Speaker 1: and I only talked to her maybe two or three
Speaker 1: times a year. But I was in bed, sleeping. It
Speaker 1: was about three or four o'clock in the morning. My
Speaker 1: phone rang and I looked at it and it was her,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, she must have pocket dialed me. She'd
Speaker 1: never call me this time of night. I didn't even
Speaker 1: answer it, and about fifteen minutes later she called me
Speaker 1: back and I go, well, she's calling me back, she
Speaker 1: must really be calling me. So I picked up the
Speaker 1: phone and she says, Dean, can I go watch I'm squatking.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, because you won't believe what happened.
Speaker 1: I'm like, watch. Well, I decided to call it a night.
Speaker 1: So she says. I was heading back to my car,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I got back to my car and
Speaker 1: there's a dead deer on the hood of my car.
Speaker 1: She goes. It's definitely a roadkilled deer, she says, but
Speaker 1: it's laying right on the hood of my car. Wow.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, she goes, what do you say that means?
Speaker 1: And I go, well, I says, it's probably a juvenile
Speaker 1: bigfoot messing with you. I will be standing somewhere off
Speaker 1: in the brush, laugh and his butt off. You know,
Speaker 1: look what I did. Did a little foot any kind
Speaker 1: of thing, you know? And she goes, do you think
Speaker 1: it's a warning? No, I think he's playing with you.
Speaker 1: So that's, you know, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: was told that happened. I think they do mess with us,
Speaker 1: and like when they go buy your camp and slap
Speaker 1: the camp in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He says, hey, I'm here, you know. And I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people tell me that certain things like
Speaker 1: that have happened to them too. I had one. I
Speaker 1: know if I told this story before or not, because
Speaker 1: the story happened quite a while ago. I might have
Speaker 1: told it last time I was on the show. I
Speaker 1: don't remember, but I had a guy told me he
Speaker 1: was going to go bigfooting for two weeks straight. He
Speaker 1: had two weeks off. He said, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: up in the Adirondecks and I'm just going to lose
Speaker 1: myself up there and I'm going to bigfoot the whole time.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, have a good time. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't even a week later. I walk into Walmart
Speaker 1: and I see him, and I walked her to I said,
Speaker 1: I thought you said you were going to go bigfooting.
Speaker 1: He says, oh, you won't believe what happened. Like what happened,
Speaker 1: he goes, Well, I got up there. He goes, I
Speaker 1: got fired a great camping spot. I got my tent
Speaker 1: and everything all set up. He goes unpacking my stuff,
Speaker 1: and I realized that my bacon had leaked on my tent.
Speaker 1: I had it wrapped up, but there was a hole
Speaker 1: in the bag and some of the bacon grease had
Speaker 1: got on my tent, he says. So I washed it
Speaker 1: off as best I could. He goes, and, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I put soap on it. He goes. I tried to,
Speaker 1: you know, get the smell off it, because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to draw a bear or something. Then he says,
Speaker 1: so I thought, you know, well that looks pretty good
Speaker 1: best I can do. He goes. The second night I
Speaker 1: was there, he says, the moon was out and was
Speaker 1: so bright it was almost like daylight outside. And he goes,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't sleep, he says. I was in the tent.
Speaker 1: He says, so I unzipped the flap of the window
Speaker 1: and just left that open. He goes, and I was
Speaker 1: kind of looking at a magazine through the through the
Speaker 1: moonlight that was coming through the little window. And he goes,
Speaker 1: I was just flipping through it, you know, try to
Speaker 1: get make myself. I'm tired to go to sleep, And
Speaker 1: he said, all of a sudden, I heard something outside
Speaker 1: and I thought, great, I got a bear, And he goes,
Speaker 1: it came up to the tent, and I could see
Speaker 1: it moving around. I could see the silhouette of it
Speaker 1: moving around. I figured, yeah, it's a bear. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be real quiet. Maybe it'll just move off. He goes.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, something started touching the spot
Speaker 1: where the bacon grease had been. He says, So I
Speaker 1: rolled up the newspaper or the magazine, and he goes,
Speaker 1: and I swatted it through the tent and I go
Speaker 1: get out of here. He goes, and it didn't move.
Speaker 1: He says. I could still hear it was still standing there.
Speaker 1: And he goes, all of a sudden, it peed on
Speaker 1: my tent. And he goes. It wasn't something that he
Speaker 1: cocked his leg. It was up way too high and
Speaker 1: it peed all over my tent. Oh no, he goes,
Speaker 1: you know, he goes, and I freaked out. He goes,
Speaker 1: I didn't dare go outside. And he goes. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, he goes, I heard this noise. He goes.
Speaker 1: It sounded like somebody chuckling. He goes, like, and it
Speaker 1: walked away. Wow, He goes. My tent stunk so bad.
Speaker 1: He goes, I couldn't sleep in it. He said, I
Speaker 1: had to come home.
Speaker 2: I'll bet he did. When they do that sort of thing, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you might as well just pitch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he goes, Yeah, he goes. It was way
Speaker 1: way up too high for a toman of bear cocking
Speaker 1: its lag or something. He goes, I'm pretty sure a
Speaker 1: big footpists on my tent.
Speaker 2: Wow made an impression.
Speaker 1: Yep, sure did. Yeah, i'd say so.
Speaker 2: Since you've had more sightings at your property than any
Speaker 2: other location, do you do more investigations around your property
Speaker 2: than that the other locations or are you concerned about
Speaker 2: disturbing the sasquatch around your property by doing that?
Speaker 1: So far, they haven't done they have anything bad there,
Speaker 1: And I think I have more studings and more experienced
Speaker 1: there because that's where I am most of the time.
Speaker 1: When I go. You know, when I have free time,
Speaker 1: I work a lot. I work every other weekend, and
Speaker 1: I work a lot of hours. And when I get
Speaker 1: the time to go there time off or I have
Speaker 1: nothing else I have to do, I go to my camp.
Speaker 1: I love being at my camp, and so I think
Speaker 1: that's maybe one of the reasons why I haven't had
Speaker 1: as much going on there lately. I haven't been there
Speaker 1: as much as I used to be there just because
Speaker 1: of life. But I have a couple of nephews to
Speaker 1: hunt the area quite hard, and I think maybe they're
Speaker 1: kind of not driving them off, but maybe making them
Speaker 1: a little more stealthy. And they think I'm nuts. They
Speaker 1: never seen anything, and they think I'm crazy. And even
Speaker 1: though I've showing them, you know, pictures of the tracks
Speaker 1: that I found there and other things, they still don't
Speaker 1: believe me. And in fact, I got into quite he
Speaker 1: did discussion with my niece's baby daddy. He just thinks
Speaker 1: that he's in charge back there now and that he
Speaker 1: knows that everything about the area, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I try telling him he doesn't know what he's talking
Speaker 1: about most of the time, and even with hunting, he
Speaker 1: doesn't really know a whole lot. And I'm thinking that's
Speaker 1: probably discouraged them showing themselves as much. I've been hearing things,
Speaker 1: but I haven't seen anything lately. It's been a little
Speaker 1: while since i've seen anything. So but I have, you know,
Speaker 1: heard them enough noise and things back there that I
Speaker 1: know that they haven't totally abandoned the area. So I
Speaker 1: just don't think they moved through there as much as
Speaker 1: they used.
Speaker 2: To, given your past experiences there. I'm sure it's just
Speaker 2: a matter of time.
Speaker 1: No, I think they know what I'm there and what
Speaker 1: it's somebody else to, you know. I think that they're
Speaker 1: more apt to be wrong if I'm there.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you're probably right about that. You've already proven
Speaker 2: you have a track record of responding well to your
Speaker 2: experiences with them there, So it sounds like they know
Speaker 2: they can trust. Yet, after you had that sighting when
Speaker 2: you were mowing, did you notice a ramping up of
Speaker 2: activity around your Was there.
Speaker 1: A movement that it was about the same, about the
Speaker 1: same as normal, you know that the like I said,
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that it was probably that younger one.
Speaker 1: I think he has been around me a little bit
Speaker 1: more than some of the other ones have been. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been back there. I do other work back there too,
Speaker 1: Like I cut. I used to have a my other
Speaker 1: home I had, I had a woodstove, so I would
Speaker 1: go back there and I would cut firewood and things.
Speaker 1: And I felt a couple of times he was hanging
Speaker 1: around that dreve I would catch a glimpse of movement
Speaker 1: or I would catch you know, a little uh, flash
Speaker 1: of brown, you know, and I felt it was maybe
Speaker 1: him him watching me. Uh, he pushed a tree down
Speaker 1: one time when I was back there cunningwood. Or it's
Speaker 1: not him, one of the other ones did. I don't
Speaker 1: know where. He thought he was helping me out a lot,
Speaker 1: but it was. I had turned the chainsaw off and
Speaker 1: I was putting the wood in the back of my truck,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the tree came down, not
Speaker 1: real close to me, but you know, fairly close. I said,
Speaker 1: he probably thinks he's helping me. He saw me cut
Speaker 1: some trees down, and maybe he just found a dead
Speaker 1: one and pushed it over. And that was shortly after
Speaker 1: I'd seen him the first time. And we were back
Speaker 1: there gifting one time and one or the other bigfoots
Speaker 1: in the area come with me. We had put out
Speaker 1: some a couple of candy bars and some cookies and things,
Speaker 1: and he says to me, I feel bad. He goes,
Speaker 1: I didn't bring anything for him, and he goes, well,
Speaker 1: hold on a second, and he went over to his
Speaker 1: truck and he rifled around in the back of his
Speaker 1: truck and he found a forty ounce bud light and
Speaker 1: he brought it over and he said it with the cookies,
Speaker 1: and I laughed about us. I don't know what they're
Speaker 1: going to make of that, and he goes, well, I
Speaker 1: didn't want to, you know, leave empty handed, and so
Speaker 1: we laughed about it. So a couple of weeks later
Speaker 1: I went back to do some more gifting and it
Speaker 1: was gone. The cookies I left were gone and the
Speaker 1: beer was gone. So I called him and I say,
Speaker 1: guess why they took your beer? He laughed. So two
Speaker 1: or three months later it was and I went back
Speaker 1: to go hunting, and I went to my tree stand
Speaker 1: and on the third rung of the ladder going up
Speaker 1: to my tree stand, they're the beer sat right on
Speaker 1: the ladder rung and they hadn't opened it, but they
Speaker 1: brought it back and put it there.
Speaker 2: Maybe they've liked Miller.
Speaker 1: Maybe bud Light. It's not the greatest beer in the world.
Speaker 1: So maybe would you'd left them a Moltzen Canadian or
Speaker 1: some other Corona or something, maybe they would have liked
Speaker 1: that better.
Speaker 2: I don't know, they might have. You never know. You
Speaker 2: said that you're not afraid of the woods, Dean. Some
Speaker 2: people see sasquatch as these benign creatures who would never
Speaker 2: harm a fly. Others they think that they're monsters that
Speaker 2: are just looking for an opportunity to rip you apart.
Speaker 2: With that said, which end of the spectrum do you
Speaker 2: lean closer to?
Speaker 1: I think it depends on where you are in the country.
Speaker 1: Certain areas of the country the Bigfoot seed to be
Speaker 1: a lot more aggressive than you know. You hear stories
Speaker 1: from Ounta in the Pacific Northwest of people coming up missing.
Speaker 1: One of the guys that's in my organization, he when
Speaker 1: he was in the military, they were actually sent on
Speaker 1: a search and destroy mission because some campers had come
Speaker 1: up dead and they had been pretty much ripped apart,
Speaker 1: and the local buzz was that a bigfoot had done it,
Speaker 1: and they were actually went up there with the Fishing
Speaker 1: Game Commission and went on a search and destroyer mission
Speaker 1: to see if they could find the bigfoot that was
Speaker 1: responsible for it. But you know, it depends on the area.
Speaker 1: In you know, there's there's Indian stories about them having
Speaker 1: wars with the Bigfoot, But I think in other parts
Speaker 1: of the country they're pretty benign. Like I think where
Speaker 1: I live, I've never heard of them harming anybody, and
Speaker 1: I've never heard of them really doing anything on towards
Speaker 1: a person. In fact, I've heard a couple of stories
Speaker 1: the opposite way where they've actually helped people. So I
Speaker 1: don't know it. I just really feel that bigfoot are
Speaker 1: like humans. They're good, they're good Bigfoot, they're bad bigfoot.
Speaker 1: You know, they're the ones that have gotten their territorial
Speaker 1: and they've got an attitude about people being in their area.
Speaker 1: And there's other people other bigfoot that they really don't care,
Speaker 1: you know. So I'm on the side. They're not monsters.
Speaker 1: They're an animal that lives alongside of us. I don't
Speaker 1: think there are friends. For the most part, I think
Speaker 1: they would rather us not be around. But uh, I
Speaker 1: don't think they're looking to hurt us in general.
Speaker 2: Well, there's new denying. These seem to have so many
Speaker 2: opportunities to harm us when we're out in the woods
Speaker 2: if it wanted to. But I mean almost all of
Speaker 2: us come back from hunting, from just trips into the
Speaker 2: woods in general. That has to count for something.
Speaker 1: Yep. I mean I heard one guy he passed out.
Speaker 1: He uh was in the woods and he was sick. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he passed out, and the last thing he said he
Speaker 1: remembered seeing was a big foot before he passed out.
Speaker 1: He said, that's not what caused him to pass out.
Speaker 1: He was sick. But he said the last thing he
Speaker 1: remembered seeing was a big foot. And when he came to,
Speaker 1: he was back at his truck, and he has no
Speaker 1: memory of going from where he passed out back to
Speaker 1: his truck. And he speculates that maybe the bigfoot took
Speaker 1: him back to his truck and left him, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's other stories. But the little boy, I think
Speaker 1: it was in Kentucky, that was gone for two weeks,
Speaker 1: and when he finally resurfaced, he said that a bear
Speaker 1: kept him alive for the two He stayed with a
Speaker 1: big bear for two weeks and the bear fed and
Speaker 1: kept him warm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I heard about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, that doesn't sound like a bear to me.
Speaker 1: A bear would ate him. I think he encountered a
Speaker 1: big foot. He just didn't know how else to explain it,
Speaker 1: you know, So he said a bear. He was just
Speaker 1: a little kid. I think he was like six years
Speaker 1: old something like that. That. Yeah, he was just a
Speaker 1: small child. So and his experience probably a bear was
Speaker 1: the first thing that came to his mine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure you're right about that. Like you said,
Speaker 2: a bear never would.
Speaker 1: Have helped him. Yeah, you know, there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of stories like that where I talked to a bigfoot
Speaker 1: researcher from the Pacific Northwest and he's had several experiences
Speaker 1: a big foot And the first one he had, he
Speaker 1: was a child and he'd wandered away from their campsite.
Speaker 1: He didn't quite know how to get back to where
Speaker 1: he was, and he said a female bigfoot came out
Speaker 1: of the brush drabbed him basically by the collar, and
Speaker 1: duck walked him back to his camp. And when he
Speaker 1: got insaide he was camp, she gave him a push
Speaker 1: and turned around walked away and he got back to
Speaker 1: the camp and the first thing his mother says to him,
Speaker 1: what did you get into you stink? And he tried
Speaker 1: to tell her this big monkey brought me home, and
Speaker 1: she wouldn't believe him, but he said it was true.
Speaker 1: She did. And you know, you hear lots of stories
Speaker 1: like that where they protect little kids and they help
Speaker 1: people that are lost and hurt and stuff. I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of stories like that. But then you also
Speaker 1: do hear the stories where you know, people come up
Speaker 1: missing and they find them later, or they don't find
Speaker 1: them at all, and sometimes they find them they've been
Speaker 1: ripped apart, or they've been you know, or they just
Speaker 1: totally disappear, like the four to one one books talk
Speaker 1: about a lot of campers disappearing, and you know, they
Speaker 1: blame it on bigfoot, which is you know, could be true,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things out there and the ways that can harm you
Speaker 1: besides bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Too, so yeah, on two legs too that you have
Speaker 2: to watch out for with no furn.
Speaker 1: Air, the most dangerous animal, that's.
Speaker 2: Right, definitely. Well, it's about time for us to call
Speaker 2: it here, Dean, but before we do, please take this
Speaker 2: opportunity to plug bigfoot me in nineteen sixty three Seaway
Speaker 2: Valley Bigfoot Research one more time. Please tell them the
Speaker 2: listeners who've had their own side in your research area,
Speaker 2: the best way for them to contact you.
Speaker 1: Sure, well, our big foot page is the Seaway Valley
Speaker 1: Bigfoot Research. If you look us up, we're right there.
Speaker 1: You could, you know, message me through there or leave
Speaker 1: any comments or anything. And I try to get back
Speaker 1: to everybody as quickly as I can, you know, I
Speaker 1: do have a full time job that I do plus
Speaker 1: other family responsibilities, but when I can, I try. I
Speaker 1: try to get back to people fairly quickly. My TikTok
Speaker 1: is Bigfooter nineteen sixty three is my Bigfoot uh story
Speaker 1: time basically on on the TikTok. They could also instance
Speaker 1: message me through there or leave comments, and I try
Speaker 1: to get back to everybody uh as uh you know,
Speaker 1: as soon as I possibly can. The number for the
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot Research is three one five five two eight
Speaker 1: two six one five. They can call me there or
Speaker 1: text me. I'd rather you texted me because a lot
Speaker 1: of times I'm in a position where I can't answer
Speaker 1: the home, but I can look at the text, So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's better to text me through there. And you know
Speaker 1: I will be respectful to you. I expect you to
Speaker 1: be respectful to me. I take everybody seriously until I
Speaker 1: have a reason not to, and so I just ask
Speaker 1: everybody you know that contacts me to be truthful, tell
Speaker 1: me their story, and you know, we'll see what we
Speaker 1: can do.
Speaker 2: Dean, thank you so much for coming back on to
Speaker 2: update this and all of your experiences since episode three
Speaker 2: point thirty three. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you having me on.
Speaker 2: It's been fun. I'm so glad you came back. But
Speaker 2: having said that, thanks again so much for your time
Speaker 2: and have a great night.
Speaker 3: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with
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