Speaker 1: It's nice with dan Y I'm tell you Boston's new video.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back again, my thanks to the State
Speaker 2: Auditor of the Commal Diana and Desaglio. Again, that's question one,
Speaker 2: ballot question one, and I think it's one that virtually
Speaker 2: everyone should want. I mean, why would you not want transparency?
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's tough to come up with an
Speaker 2: issue that you would think everyone would agree. And I
Speaker 2: assume that the legislature, for whatever reason, they may have
Speaker 2: their reasons, and we would certainly have We'll invite. We've
Speaker 2: invited the Speaker or the Senate President or whoever would
Speaker 2: be their design needs to come on and talk about it.
Speaker 2: More than happy to chat with them about this situation.
Speaker 2: I just don't normally I realized there are two sides.
Speaker 2: There are many, many times more than two sides to
Speaker 2: an issue, but boy, this one seems to me to
Speaker 2: be pretty clear cut and dry question. But again, if
Speaker 2: you're on the staff or you're on the Senate President's staff,
Speaker 2: we've extended an invitation specifically on this topic, So feel
Speaker 2: free to give us a call during the day and
Speaker 2: we'll set you up and we'll have you on just
Speaker 2: like we did with the state auditor to give you
Speaker 2: an opportunity to tell us why you think the books
Speaker 2: of the legislature should not be audited. We'll see, we'll see. Okay,
Speaker 2: there was this afternoon I came across a very interesting
Speaker 2: poll that was done from University of Massachusetts and Amherst,
Speaker 2: and it was talking about how happy people are here
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts. And I'm going to give you the headline
Speaker 2: on the poll and then we can get into some
Speaker 2: of the internals if you will. But basically, this poll,
Speaker 2: conducted by UMSS Amherst, finds the highest percentage of Massachusetts
Speaker 2: residents in over four years believe that Massachusetts is on
Speaker 2: the wrong track. Over four in ten of the respondents,
Speaker 2: forty one percent say Massachusetts is heading in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: Now that's a pretty big number for a state that
Speaker 2: likes to pride ourselves on all the opportunities that exist here, meaning,
Speaker 2: you know, the medical facilities that we have, the educational institutions,
Speaker 2: the weather, the changes of the year. You know, we're
Speaker 2: not Phoenix, Arizona, where most days during the year it's
Speaker 2: over eighty degrees and maybe in the winter it rains
Speaker 2: for a couple of months. Don't we get the snow
Speaker 2: or the winter. We get the beautiful spring, We have
Speaker 2: a fabulous summer of glorious falls. Occasionally we do have
Speaker 2: a hurricane. Occasionally we do have a blizzard, but certainly
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem knock on wood, the size of the
Speaker 2: dimensions of what have the type of storms that have
Speaker 2: recently hit the southeast. It's a lot to like about Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: But this survey of seven hundred residents, conducted between October
Speaker 2: third and the tenth, according to the press release from UMass,
Speaker 2: says that that the problem that most people talked about
Speaker 2: was the lack of housing. Now you get into some
Speaker 2: of these numbers and it's it's interesting. According to the
Speaker 2: public many shame share the blame for the complex housing problems,
Speaker 2: according to a professor of political science at UMASSED Amherst
Speaker 2: and co director of the poll. Now again, I don't
Speaker 2: want to say that a lot of these folks live
Speaker 2: in ivy ivy towers, but they do. I mean, they're
Speaker 2: they're professors at universities and colleges, and I don't know
Speaker 2: how much interaction they have in the real world. But
Speaker 2: now that that's that's for you to decide. So, uh,
Speaker 2: this uh, professor of political science at UMass Amherst, co
Speaker 2: director of the poll, says the highest percentage twenty two percent,
Speaker 2: fault high interest rates. Additionally, landlords are blamed sixteen percent,
Speaker 2: local governments fifteen percent, contractors sixteen percent, and the legislature
Speaker 2: seventeen percent, But only six percent say the problem is
Speaker 2: due to homeowners. I don't see how it could possibly,
Speaker 2: in the mind of anyone, be due to a homeowner.
Speaker 2: You have a home, you bought a home, you live
Speaker 2: there for two years, ten years, fifty years, whatever it is.
Speaker 2: It's your home. But somehow six percent of the people
Speaker 2: polled decided that it was a problem with the homeowners,
Speaker 2: and eight percent attribute the problem to Governor Mara Healy. Okay,
Speaker 2: so that is the sort of the headline, the under
Speaker 2: the subheadline, under the headline most popular amongst people who
Speaker 2: were polled. Here's a great idea is to limit increases
Speaker 2: on rents. Have you heard that one before? Sixty seven
Speaker 2: percent of the people who were polled here, according to
Speaker 2: one of the economists, favor the idea of limiting increases
Speaker 2: on rents. Sixty seven percent of the seven hundred people
Speaker 2: who were polled for some reason that figure doesn't sound
Speaker 2: true to me unless they decided just to conduct the
Speaker 2: poll amongst people who were renting. I mean, what percentage
Speaker 2: of the population rents, and I would assume a good
Speaker 2: percentage of those people are happy with their rent But
Speaker 2: sixty seven percent of the people in Massachusetts support limiting
Speaker 2: increases on rents. How has that worked out wherever rent
Speaker 2: control has been tried? Okay, of course. Other popular ideas
Speaker 2: include lowering the income threshold to qualify for a housing
Speaker 2: Sixty one percent of the people want to lower the
Speaker 2: threshold so that more people can get affordable whatever you
Speaker 2: want to call affordable housing. Then there's another group sixty
Speaker 2: two percent. This is good. Allows towns to tax real
Speaker 2: estate transactions above a million dollars to generate funds for
Speaker 2: affordable housing. This sounds to me like a poll that
Speaker 2: is designed to basically say, we need housing that nobody
Speaker 2: has to pay for except the taxpayers. I mean, there
Speaker 2: aren't that many homes in Massachusetts that will sell less
Speaker 2: than a million dollars. We hear about how expensive housing
Speaker 2: is in Massachusetts, so let's make it more expensive. And then,
Speaker 2: of course, another say we've got to provide tax breaks
Speaker 2: to developers to build more low income housing. That's sixty
Speaker 2: two percent. A majority also favors the States Plan requiring
Speaker 2: towns served by the MPTA, that's the NBTA Communities Act
Speaker 2: to change zoning to allow for now multi for new
Speaker 2: multi family housing. I'm opposed to that because it seems
Speaker 2: to me that zoning laws are the bedrock of any community.
Speaker 2: And if you live in a community that doesn't want
Speaker 2: casinos or liquor stores or bowling alleys or strip joints,
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say strip joints. I should say emporium of
Speaker 2: interpretive dance. Pardon me for saying strip joints. You know,
Speaker 2: towns have a right to say what we want in
Speaker 2: the town and what we don't, and that's that's the
Speaker 2: basis of zoning laws. So they go on and on
Speaker 2: and on, and then just to show you how I
Speaker 2: think off this, this this poll is it says that
Speaker 2: amongst let me see, they talk about who's popular, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: amongst the people they polled, and I'm assuming this is
Speaker 2: representative of Massachusetts, fifty eight percent approve the work done
Speaker 2: by Governor Healey fifty Ed Markey fifty three percent, Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Warren Kamala Harris fifty five percent. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: the state legislature is a gets a vote of approval
Speaker 2: from the people that these guys pulled forty six percent.
Speaker 2: Now I can believe that you know Ed Markey, he's
Speaker 2: a US senator as a positive rating, and I have
Speaker 2: Governor Healey. Okay, but the state legislature, come on, come on, guys,
Speaker 2: you gotta be a little realistic here. So my question
Speaker 2: is this, to my audience, are we on the right
Speaker 2: track or the wrong wrong track in Massachusetts? Now, I
Speaker 2: guess you could be on either side of this equation
Speaker 2: and you could say, yeah, you know, taxing more on
Speaker 2: wealthy people. We just passed the millionaire's tax. I was
Speaker 2: going to solve the housing in the education crisis, right
Speaker 2: not that's okay, what's that going to do? Well? People
Speaker 2: who make a lot of money, they tend to be
Speaker 2: fairly smart, okay, maybe smarter than the average bear. At
Speaker 2: some point they're gonna say I'm out of here, I'm
Speaker 2: out of here. Okay, then you have we have great
Speaker 2: companies in Massachusetts. But if you don't have enough companies
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts to absorb all the bright kids who are
Speaker 2: young men and women who are coming out of colleges
Speaker 2: and universities. They're gonna go other places. It's as simple
Speaker 2: as that we have an outflow of people leaving here. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't think we have people leaving here as much
Speaker 2: because of the housing being unaffordable. The fact of the
Speaker 2: matter is we're a small state in a small region
Speaker 2: dominated by Boston. Boston is the center of the hub,
Speaker 2: certainly in the center of New England. And you know,
Speaker 2: it's not a huge city. It's not Phoenix, Arizona, where
Speaker 2: you can put up, you know, ten of thousands of
Speaker 2: condominiums and and sell tens. It's different here. It's different here.
Speaker 2: So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna ask a
Speaker 2: very simple question. Now, some of you might say, hey,
Speaker 2: guess what. You know, we're on the wrong track because
Speaker 2: the state hasn't given me enough free stuff. They haven't
Speaker 2: given me a house. They haven't they haven't given me
Speaker 2: free rent control. They haven't given me a car, they
Speaker 2: haven't given me whatever. Okay, they haven't given me a trip. Oh,
Speaker 2: they've given me three or four EBT cards. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I got a plenty of BBT cards. EBT cards for everybody.
Speaker 2: That's what that's maybe maybe that would make people happy.
Speaker 2: This is nuts, This is nuts. The bottom line in
Speaker 2: this poll is forty one percent of the people in
Speaker 2: Massachusetts think we're on the wrong track. I'm in that
Speaker 2: forty one percent. Okay, I'd love to know if you
Speaker 2: think we're on the right track. If you think things
Speaker 2: are just hunky dory in Massachusetts and everything's going great
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, fine, absolutely, more bike lanes. Let's get let's
Speaker 2: have bike lanes everywhere. Let's get the autumleveals off the road.
Speaker 2: That's you know, that's those are the trends that are
Speaker 2: pushing people out of here in Massachusetts. And guess what.
Speaker 2: The people who are pushing that, they have political cloud,
Speaker 2: they have influence with the politicians, many of whom are politicians,
Speaker 2: don't have much of a backbone. They're going to say, sure,
Speaker 2: how many more bike lanes do you want? Okay, how
Speaker 2: many more people? There's a bike lane controversiy going up
Speaker 2: in Revere now I'm just beginning to learn about it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear from anyone up in Revere. So
Speaker 2: the bottom line is my question is this the bottom
Speaker 2: The question is, is Massachusetts on the right track of
Speaker 2: the wrong track. Here's the real killer. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: the first time that forty more than forty percent of
Speaker 2: Massachusetts residents, according to this poll, say the may state
Speaker 2: is heading in the wrong direction. That is a five
Speaker 2: point increase in negative sentiment according to the poll. Quoting
Speaker 2: from the poll here from the press release since a
Speaker 2: poll in May June, July, August, September, October, so a
Speaker 2: poll five months ago, it's it's gone up five points
Speaker 2: and thirteen points higher from a pole from August of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, when Massachusetts will lock down with the COVID virus.
Speaker 2: I think this pole is probably very accurate on its
Speaker 2: bottom line, but I don't think it's identified what people
Speaker 2: are really upset about. Six one, seven, two, five, four
Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about living in the Bay Stay and guess
Speaker 2: what if you live somewhere else, I'd love to know
Speaker 2: from you. Do you think that we're on the right
Speaker 2: track where you live? Because the right track does splash
Speaker 2: back not only on what's going on in your state,
Speaker 2: but also on what's going on in your region and
Speaker 2: what's going on in your country. We'll open up these
Speaker 2: phone lines right now. I'll love to have you join
Speaker 2: us six one, seven, two, five, four to ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty Coming right
Speaker 2: back on night Side.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: knight set you on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So let's get to the phone call. See what people
Speaker 2: have to say. They may agree or disagree. I'd love
Speaker 2: to hear from you. Let me go to Jack in Newton. Jack,
Speaker 2: welcome back. How are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Yeah? How you doing? Jack Porter? Well, I've been involved
Speaker 3: in real estate for forty five years and forty some
Speaker 3: years ago on the nineteen unit apartment building in Brighton.
Speaker 3: It only costs one hundred and eighty thousand dollars, you know,
Speaker 3: telling my students they just don't believe it. But that's
Speaker 3: because the rents were four hundred dollars for a four
Speaker 3: bedroom and two hundred dollars you know for a two bedroom.
Speaker 2: So Jack, Jack, this was how how many years ago?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, how many years?
Speaker 3: Forty years ago? How about a building this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this would have been in the mid nineteen.
Speaker 3: Eighties, nineteen eighty two. How about a nineteen yunit building
Speaker 3: for one hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 2: That was a good investments.
Speaker 3: It was a very poor city back then, and it
Speaker 3: was very difficult for us to make improvements. So ven
Speaker 3: control was not you know, the best thing. And in
Speaker 3: some ways I was happy, you know, it went out,
Speaker 3: but but today, in.
Speaker 2: Some ways, what ways were you happy it didn't go up? Jack?
Speaker 2: Of course, to the owner of an apartment building, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I'm assuming I know you pretty well that
Speaker 2: that you weren't going to be gouging people, and you
Speaker 2: would you would give people a good opportunity, but you
Speaker 2: had to keep the building in good shape. You had
Speaker 2: to maintain the building.
Speaker 3: Back then then was they converted them to condos and
Speaker 3: brandon around Boston College because of rent control. And so
Speaker 3: that's how I fell into a group of investors, you know,
Speaker 3: for three hundred and four hundred thousand, and then they
Speaker 3: in turn sold it out and they made you know,
Speaker 3: four or fives million, So you know, that's what happens.
Speaker 3: But you have to have now, you have to have
Speaker 3: some controls of only three or five percent increases in
Speaker 3: rent because it's just too much. I mean, you've got to.
Speaker 2: Say hold on. If if you were you were not
Speaker 2: in favor of rent control when you when you owned
Speaker 2: a rental property.
Speaker 3: Correct, No, today I am to some degree because rents
Speaker 3: are way posed.
Speaker 2: But how much how much rental property do you own today? Jack?
Speaker 3: I just have my condo today.
Speaker 2: But would you live there or do you or do
Speaker 2: you rent it out?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I live there. I live in a condo.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you don't have any rental properties today. Correct?
Speaker 3: I wish I did, but it was you know, it's
Speaker 3: it's very good.
Speaker 2: But what you think what to quote JD Vance, think
Speaker 2: of what you're saying. You're telling me that when you
Speaker 2: owned what'd you say, nineteen units in a in a building?
Speaker 2: Was that you said nineteen units?
Speaker 3: I did up building in Gordon Street. I'm parking, so
Speaker 3: you this.
Speaker 2: Is a nice street, I know, Gordon Street. So you
Speaker 2: owned nineteen units and you were posed to rent control
Speaker 2: when you own nineteen units. Now you don't own any
Speaker 2: rental units. You're okay with rent.
Speaker 3: Control because it's just it's way too high. That's why
Speaker 3: people are leaving the city. They're leaving in Massachusetts because
Speaker 3: the rents are so high. You're pushing people out. It's
Speaker 3: not just students or it's you know, it's a seniors like,
Speaker 3: does it have.
Speaker 2: Does your position? Let me ask you this, Jack, honestly,
Speaker 2: does your position on rent control today versus what it
Speaker 2: was when you own rental property back in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Does it have anything to do with your status as
Speaker 2: a as a as a building owner back then versus
Speaker 2: someone now who lives at a condominium has no rental property.
Speaker 3: Look, I would say this because I know that people
Speaker 3: I just can't afford a thirty or forty or fifty
Speaker 3: percent increase in their rent a five percent increase possibly,
Speaker 3: but not thirty or forty or fifty percent of start out.
Speaker 2: But Jack, you know, I'm a friend of yours, and
Speaker 2: it just sounds to me like you're doing some virtue
Speaker 2: signaling here.
Speaker 3: Forty years ago, it only costs one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars per square fit to build. Now it's three hundred
Speaker 3: dollars per square foot. And the reason why is that
Speaker 3: land is so much scarcter, and land has doubled in price,
Speaker 3: and the cost of the steel and metal, and and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, Jack, you and I know that if
Speaker 2: you wanted to rent, let us say, a two bedroom
Speaker 2: apartment in Manhattan really expensive.
Speaker 3: Right, proctually about. You know, it could be the same
Speaker 3: as the you know as the South End or seaport today.
Speaker 2: Well, really expensive South End Seaport, really expensive. What would
Speaker 2: a two bedroom apartment cost you? And say, let's say Laramie, Wyoming,
Speaker 2: there's a fraction under there.
Speaker 3: But my own building right here in Newtonville, you know,
Speaker 3: on well of it, it's twenty two bedroom under.
Speaker 2: Jack. You're you're you're a great human You're you're a
Speaker 2: great human being, and your your kindness towards people today
Speaker 2: who are having a difficult time paying rent is admirable.
Speaker 3: Okay, well we have my hats.
Speaker 2: My hat's off to you, Jack. I wish you owned
Speaker 2: twenty units today and you could keep the prices down.
Speaker 2: I know, I know you would appreciate your call. Jack,
Speaker 2: Thank you much.
Speaker 3: I'd be a grateful anthropist.
Speaker 2: Oh, I know that. I can imagine that if you
Speaker 2: ever hit the ten million dollar lottery. How much money
Speaker 2: do you think of you if tomorrow you hit a
Speaker 2: ten million dollar lottery ticket? Just go ahead, how much
Speaker 2: money do you think you would give away? I'll bet
Speaker 2: you that you would give nine million dollars away.
Speaker 3: I give a lot of it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll bet you well, how much I would bet
Speaker 2: you you give ninety percent of it away?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm almost eighty years old, so I'm going to
Speaker 3: give a lot of it away. But i'd like to,
Speaker 3: you know, just having else to live on.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if you could keep you know you could,
Speaker 2: you could live on a million dollars. I know you,
Speaker 2: Jack that if you want ten million, or if you
Speaker 2: want a hundred million dollars, you'd give ninety five million
Speaker 2: dollars of it away because you're a good human being.
Speaker 3: Well you're almost That building is worth that I a
Speaker 3: twenty years ago I.
Speaker 2: Never should have sold it. So how much again, Jack,
Speaker 2: just help me out here. If you want a hundred million,
Speaker 2: how much would you give away? Just go ahead in
Speaker 2: virtual signal? Come on, how much would you give away?
Speaker 3: Oh, to charity and everything else? About eighty million out
Speaker 3: of one hundred million?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, you give away more than that. You don't
Speaker 2: need that twenty million dollars.
Speaker 5: Come on, Jack, I know you.
Speaker 2: You'd be more generous than that. Jack, Come on, don't
Speaker 2: be shy, don't be shy. I know you well enough
Speaker 2: to know your generosity. Thank you, Jack, I appreciate your call.
Speaker 2: You're a good human being. Thank you. Back right, We're
Speaker 2: not going to be back right after this. No, we're
Speaker 2: going to take a news break and then we'll be
Speaker 2: back right after this. Jack is someone who I know
Speaker 2: very well, and he would give it all away. I
Speaker 2: can I guarantee it. We'll be back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about a University of Massachusetts at Amherst
Speaker 2: poll which concludes, amongst I guess seven hundred responding statewide,
Speaker 2: which is a good sample, that forty percent of Massachusetts
Speaker 2: residents feel we're on the wrong wrong track as a state. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's see what others think. Get kind of a little
Speaker 2: bit off with Jack, who's a wonderful human being and
Speaker 2: a generous guy who when rent control was in effect
Speaker 2: he liked he was opposed to it. Now that he
Speaker 2: doesn't own property, he's in favor of it. Let's go
Speaker 2: to Bill and Danvers. Hey Bill, how are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Oh? Good?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Sorry, I haven't called him. I'm busy, but there's
Speaker 5: been a few topics, but I haven't listened enough over
Speaker 5: the last few weeks to call. But I have time.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean I'm surprised there's only forty one percent.
Speaker 5: State's on the wrong track in this state, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh well, I got to remember there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people who have who have come here and now are
Speaker 2: being given EBT cards and free housing and yeah, I
Speaker 2: uh you know, hotel rooms. Yeah, we're generous, you know,
Speaker 2: very generous state here. Bill. I don't know if if
Speaker 2: you've been able to take advantage of any of the
Speaker 2: programs that are available, or you somebody who's actually working
Speaker 2: for a living.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, the guys that are working, we're being fleece
Speaker 5: for that.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's.
Speaker 5: Startling to me is there's individuals and you'll talk to
Speaker 5: them and I've talked to them people I know, and
Speaker 5: you know, they're the same guys that are going to
Speaker 5: probably go down enthusiastically and vote for Harris and they'll say, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm proud of the state because the programs
Speaker 5: and we give this, and we there, and basically they're
Speaker 5: happy that we're subsidized and stuff. And the more you
Speaker 5: subsidize stuff, the more they they keep taking. I mean,
Speaker 5: you just get more of when you subsidize something, and.
Speaker 2: What you're trying to say to me what you're trying
Speaker 2: to say to me. And I want to make sure
Speaker 2: I understand this that if the state of massach or
Speaker 2: to come out of Massachusetts gives free stuff away, that
Speaker 2: will be a magnet for people to be attracted to
Speaker 2: come here.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, you kidding. Hey, hey, listen, and you know I
Speaker 5: can't fault guys. I mean, listen, if I was in
Speaker 5: the same boat, right, and maybe I didn't have a
Speaker 5: good wherever I came from, right, and they opened up
Speaker 5: the doors and they said, hey, come on in right
Speaker 5: and many of you come in right now. Texas I
Speaker 5: had to write the work state. You know, they don't
Speaker 5: have a lot of maybe a lot of programs. The
Speaker 5: governor there, he's going to give me a free bus
Speaker 5: ride right where you're gonna go the top three places.
Speaker 5: And they all know this because they have relatives and
Speaker 5: the network and the Coyotes are telling them and the Cattels. Right,
Speaker 5: it's California, because you've got news running around. He's going
Speaker 5: to guarantee your healthcare, okay, right, but Massachusetts, you're guaranteed
Speaker 5: housing in healthcare and you're gonna get all the you know,
Speaker 5: so you're getting to try and hold on.
Speaker 2: Now, wait a second, I want you to understate the
Speaker 2: generosity of the Cambo. You get free hotel room, you
Speaker 2: get three meals a day, you get t card, and
Speaker 2: you get free taxi rides. What's wrong with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No?
Speaker 5: And uh and and they're getting cars too, Dan, Well,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know that cars. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: because I hope they.
Speaker 2: Please don't tell me that they use cars.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean they used I think they pick
Speaker 5: them up and they get them when they impound them
Speaker 5: for whatever activities. But they do have cars because they're
Speaker 5: practicing in some of the pocket whts up and down
Speaker 5: Route one. You get a guy from Sagas on the phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Massachusetts residents eligible to get those free cars or no?
Speaker 5: I don't think so, Dan, not you know.
Speaker 2: By the way, just in this poll here, in this
Speaker 2: poll they say ours find our results, excuse me, find
Speaker 2: that a majority of residents fifty seven percent, continues to
Speaker 2: support this law and remain committed to ensuring that immigrant
Speaker 2: newcomers are given the necessary resources to protect the well
Speaker 2: being and health of their families. So fifty seven percent
Speaker 2: of people here in Massachusetts support the right to shelter
Speaker 2: law and properly hope that more people will be attracted
Speaker 2: to the commonwealth.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I gotta tell you, and I'll be
Speaker 5: one of them at some point. I've already been making moves.
Speaker 5: But actually, I you know, in a way, if people
Speaker 5: want that here, okay, and there's probably at this point
Speaker 5: its slim majority of us that don't, So we just
Speaker 5: vote with our feet. So the guys that are left here,
Speaker 5: they're going to pay the bill for it, or to
Speaker 5: the point where so many people leave, the producers or
Speaker 5: the guys that had small businesses just threw up their
Speaker 5: hands and this place. I mean, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's gonna get to a point where it's just unsustainable.
Speaker 5: And that's fine what happens.
Speaker 2: Don't you whoa, whoa. Don't you feel an obligation to
Speaker 2: stay here and support other people. You're not as good
Speaker 2: as human You're not nearly as good a human being
Speaker 2: as Jack from Newton. By the way, I hate to
Speaker 2: tell that to you.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, Dan, you know, if you give a
Speaker 5: guy a fish, you'll ead today. But if he teaches
Speaker 5: the fish, I'll lead it forever.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: You know, no look you, I'm having a little bit
Speaker 2: of fun with you. I mean, it's amazing to me
Speaker 2: that fifty this is again this Paul is saying fifty
Speaker 2: percent of the people in Massachusetts, a majority of residents,
Speaker 2: continue to support the right to shelter law. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't understand, and and and yet forty
Speaker 2: one percent of the state says that we're in the
Speaker 2: wrong going in the wrong direction. So I guess forty
Speaker 2: one percent of the state say, well, you're in the
Speaker 2: forty one percent of the state that say we're going
Speaker 2: in the wrong direction, and seven percent say, let's get
Speaker 2: more people here who we can support this. This is
Speaker 2: actually this poll is to me, it's just amazingly inconsistent.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, no, no, I think I kind of because
Speaker 5: if you look at when you at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, when you look at the election results in
Speaker 5: a few weeks, right, yeah, you'll have about thirty six
Speaker 5: or thirty eight, So it's almost aid that forty and
Speaker 5: then the rest is whatever. So I think it's actually
Speaker 5: pretty cool as hot as it is, and it's hard
Speaker 5: for me to get my head around it, but I've
Speaker 5: managed to do it over time because I deal with
Speaker 5: the public.
Speaker 2: You know all right, all right, Bill, as always, thank
Speaker 2: you very much, but you got to work on becoming
Speaker 2: a better person like Jack from Newton. That's all I
Speaker 2: can say to you.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'll try, I'll add it to my prayers. I'll
Speaker 5: ask for forgiveness and guid absolutely.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Thanks, thanks, thanks, good bye. By
Speaker 2: the way, man, talk to you later. By James Is
Speaker 2: in Saga. Say James, you're next time NIGHTSAG Go right ahead, Hey.
Speaker 6: How are you doing tonight? First time call her, first
Speaker 6: time listening.
Speaker 2: First time call it in the first time this year. Wow,
Speaker 2: that's the daily double. Thanks very much. Welcome.
Speaker 6: Never lived in mass live over the border in New
Speaker 6: Hampshire and originally from California. Then a law enforcement a
Speaker 6: long time, but I'm out of it now for a
Speaker 6: major healthcare system and Mass.
Speaker 5: But anyways, I want to reach.
Speaker 6: Out and talk to you about the about this poll.
Speaker 6: I think that poll, the numbers, that's even the numbers
Speaker 6: are really really down. I think it's bigger than five percent.
Speaker 6: I think there's such a a you know, bigger number
Speaker 6: than that.
Speaker 4: And I think the poll a lot of the.
Speaker 6: Poles are not showing those accurate numbers.
Speaker 2: Okay, hold let me make let me make sure, James,
Speaker 2: which number. The number, the primary number that I'm talking
Speaker 2: about is the poll finds that forty one percent, forty
Speaker 2: one percent of residents in Massachusetts think we're on the
Speaker 2: wrong track. I'm in that group, by the way, the
Speaker 2: forty one percent, that is a five percent increase from
Speaker 2: May of this year, so it'd gone it would have
Speaker 2: from thirty six to forty one percent of the last
Speaker 2: five months.
Speaker 5: But it's higher than that. I think it's actually higher
Speaker 5: than that. I do.
Speaker 6: And and you know, working for a major healthcare system
Speaker 6: in mass Chusetts, working in the emergency room, the things
Speaker 6: I see would blow your mind.
Speaker 5: And I will tell you this, I will tell you this.
Speaker 4: I'm the I'm the opposite of most of these level
Speaker 4: headed guys. I want Trump to come back into office.
Speaker 4: I want him to instruct the Department of Justice to
Speaker 4: go after anybody and everybody that aids and events, these
Speaker 4: people that came across illegally. I e.
Speaker 6: The Governor of California Newscom, every state governor.
Speaker 2: We don't do we don't do names here, Governor Newsom,
Speaker 2: that's his name, Go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6: And then and then all of those governors that support that,
Speaker 6: and any of the companies that are hiring them, they
Speaker 6: need to be held accountable.
Speaker 2: I'm well, James, James, James, I'll agree with you that
Speaker 2: if some company is hiring people under the table and
Speaker 2: securing an unfair advantage by actually taking advantage of people
Speaker 2: who have come here, I agree with you that those
Speaker 2: companies should be penalized. But if the people of California
Speaker 2: are so dumb that they're going to elect Gavin Newsom
Speaker 2: as the governor after what he did to the city
Speaker 2: of San Francisco, good luck to them.
Speaker 6: I understand that. But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 4: Can't you can't put him?
Speaker 2: You can't put Newsom in jail because he you know,
Speaker 2: he's got elected governor. You can't do that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure you can't. He's aiding in the betting future
Speaker 6: that's under federal law.
Speaker 2: Well well, well, first of all, in that case, I
Speaker 2: guess you're gonna have to put Joe Biden in jail.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, absolutely, I'm not forgot.
Speaker 2: That's you know, it's up to the people too.
Speaker 6: But they pulled van hand grenade first. They pulled it
Speaker 6: first when they went after him, just for announcing he
Speaker 6: was going after the presidency. They pulled that anger Nate person.
Speaker 6: You've got all these Democratic lawmakers everybody else that are
Speaker 6: the prosecutors that are prosecuting him for all these bull
Speaker 6: baloney charges based.
Speaker 2: I think I think the James James, I'm being honest
Speaker 2: with you, Okay, I'm being honest with you. I think
Speaker 2: that we get we get into a uh a real
Speaker 2: downward spiral. It's gonna the country is going to start
Speaker 2: to look like some dictatorship in Central or South America.
Speaker 2: I mean, we should not be going after the Republicans,
Speaker 2: should not be going after the Democrats. They shouldn't the
Speaker 2: Democrats shouldn't be going after Republicans. Yeah, well, you know,
Speaker 2: but I think I think sometimes you know, if you
Speaker 2: know some sometimes you can Look. I have no idea
Speaker 2: who's going to be elected president. I just hope that
Speaker 2: whoever's elected president, whether it's the vice president or former
Speaker 2: President Trump, I hope that we as a society and
Speaker 2: as a country, will get behind them and say, look,
Speaker 2: the election's over, let's try to work together. Let's try
Speaker 2: it for a while. We've been so divided for so long.
Speaker 2: Uh And and I don't believe in law there. I'm
Speaker 2: not a fav I'm not a fan of law here, okay.
Speaker 2: And there's there's a lot of problems that we have
Speaker 2: talked about. You you listen to the show more often,
Speaker 2: You're going to agree with me more than you realize.
Speaker 2: But I just don't want to know.
Speaker 6: I bet, I bet I do agree with you. I'm
Speaker 6: assuming I do agree with you. I think I'm just
Speaker 6: a little farther right than you are, man. And I
Speaker 6: think that, and I think that, and I think that
Speaker 6: all the things that I've seen working in an emergency
Speaker 6: room in Boston, major emergency room in Boston last five years,
Speaker 6: it would blow your mind away. The things that I've seen.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, James, some night, some night, if
Speaker 2: if you want some night, maybe we'll touch upon that topic.
Speaker 2: I have friends of mine who are doctors in New
Speaker 2: York cardiac. Matter of fact, one guy who's a cardiac
Speaker 2: surgeon told me that there are people who fly into
Speaker 2: the country from other countries and they collapse on the
Speaker 2: on the walkway from the airplane into into the terminal.
Speaker 2: They know that they're in need of open heart surgery.
Speaker 2: They're in their eighties.
Speaker 5: Uh, and they got here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, you know, as much as you'd
Speaker 2: like to say to the world, we would love everyone
Speaker 2: to come here, unfortunately we can't. And we need to borders,
Speaker 2: and borders that are that are patrolled and borders that
Speaker 2: are recognized. So this is the stuff we talk about
Speaker 2: all the time, and I think you'll be very comfortable with.
Speaker 2: But what I don't want to do is see us
Speaker 2: devolve into a tit for tat dictatorship, because that that
Speaker 2: will that would take us down a path that I
Speaker 2: don't think.
Speaker 6: We really Well, here, here's here's here's the part of
Speaker 6: the problem. I just got one real quick question where
Speaker 6: but state of Ohio overwhelmingly did not support when they
Speaker 6: put it on the ballot for gay marriage. But Ohio
Speaker 6: is forced to accept gay marriage by the United States
Speaker 6: faberal government.
Speaker 2: Okay, because the US well you draw that line, because
Speaker 2: the United States Supreme Court concluded that there was a
Speaker 2: constitutional right for individuals to marry whomever they wanted.
Speaker 6: And so now now under that same prentiss, I can
Speaker 6: carry my firearm which New Hampshire has cost carry, can
Speaker 6: carry that right over in the mass.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's an interesting question because you're talking there about
Speaker 2: the Privileges and Immunities Clause in the US Constitution. I
Speaker 2: happen to be a lawyer. I happen to agree with
Speaker 2: you on that. I happen to agree with you, and
Speaker 2: I think that eventually, eventually, maybe that issue will go
Speaker 2: be front of this be front of the US Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: There have been some recent decisions by this court which
Speaker 2: I've been friendly to gun owners. Look, James, we got
Speaker 2: a lot more to talk about. I hope you listen
Speaker 2: more often, and I hope you join me every night
Speaker 2: of the week, and your calls are always welcome, and
Speaker 2: I every day you two James, and welcome to night's side.
Speaker 2: Thank you much, thank you. We'll take a break. We're
Speaker 2: gonna we very well may continue this into the next hour. Eric,
Speaker 2: Bill and sal you guys are up next, So get ready.
Speaker 2: Six one seven four ten thirty is the only line
Speaker 2: that's open right now. Six one seven four ten thirty.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I want to get into this because frankly, Massachusetts is
Speaker 2: not in good shape, as this poll indicates. I think
Speaker 2: that the poll identifies different issues the wrong reasons, but
Speaker 2: it's still a poll and we're talking about it. I
Speaker 2: hope you'll join us coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to move the callers a little bit
Speaker 2: more quickly. I think we've established the issue. I'm Bill
Speaker 2: and Lowell Bill next on Nightside? Go ahead?
Speaker 5: Does that mean?
Speaker 2: I hope if it's Bill and Lowell with's you? Bill?
Speaker 2: Going ahead?
Speaker 5: Okay, Hey Dan, all right, what do you want me
Speaker 5: to talk about?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on hold and Rob will tell
Speaker 2: you what we're talking about. Okay, Well, we'll get you
Speaker 2: in a moment here south in Los Angeles. Sal, I
Speaker 2: bet you you're ready to talk, Go right ahead, Sal.
Speaker 5: Sir, so, I heard about real estate and like, uh,
Speaker 5: outrageous rents and and properties and so forth. I mean, dude,
Speaker 5: in Massachusetts, wasn't the middle class pretty much dominant.
Speaker 2: In the long no, no, no, no, for a long time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Massachusetts was a great Uh. I think was a great
Speaker 2: state and uh and it still has the potential to
Speaker 2: be a great state. But yeah, we've kind of lost
Speaker 2: our way here. I mean it's you know, we have
Speaker 2: so many people who were taking as opposed to people
Speaker 2: who are contributing, and every there there were people who
Speaker 2: were in real need. I just was on a on
Speaker 2: a website here that that I'm on. It's called next door.
Speaker 2: You probably heard about it. It's a national website like
Speaker 2: your neighborhood. You can join it. So this poor individual,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you what it is, but
Speaker 2: I just just popped up in my In my email,
Speaker 2: the fellow writes, Okay, I've been at this library for
Speaker 2: warmth from nine am to nine pm. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what to do as it's going to be freezing
Speaker 2: out again. It's cold here in Massachusetts tonight. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: for this, but I'm begging for financial support for a
Speaker 2: hotel for a night or something, because what else do
Speaker 2: I feel my bones hurting from the colt. So this
Speaker 2: is a this is a resident, I'm guessing, and he's
Speaker 2: on a on a on an anonymous website begging for
Speaker 2: money because he has no money in Massachusetts. I you know,
Speaker 2: it's frustrating to to real that people realize that people
Speaker 2: who are here are not being taken care of, and
Speaker 2: we're inviting people to commit to the state and encouraging
Speaker 2: people to commit to the state. Yeah, we crossed into
Speaker 2: the country illegally.
Speaker 5: It doesn't. It doesn't work out, dude. I mean, how
Speaker 5: you doing in La?
Speaker 2: By the way, these days.
Speaker 5: I'm great in La, man. I mean, I worked my
Speaker 5: ax off. I've been. I've been. God, I'm riginally from Boston,
Speaker 5: works in New York, US to LA.
Speaker 2: You know, don't you have a homeless don't you have
Speaker 2: a homeless crisis out there too?
Speaker 5: Of course we do. And it's funny because all of
Speaker 5: a sudden, all the bridges underneath are like cleared out.
Speaker 5: It's like weird kama I think they call us Comma
Speaker 5: Kamala land.
Speaker 2: Now, well they'll be back, they'll be back. I mean, ye, look,
Speaker 2: Sandie see I remember San Diego did it in advance
Speaker 2: of the Republican National Convention in nineteen ninety six. This
Speaker 2: is a tactic that has been used by big city
Speaker 2: mayors for a long time. They got everybody out of town.
Speaker 2: They gave them one way tickets to wherever they want.
Speaker 2: Well eventually they come back.
Speaker 5: Well, well LA has got the ollip in a few
Speaker 5: years and the mayor from l A went out to
Speaker 5: you know, the Olympics in Paris this year and said hey,
Speaker 5: and then they announced a new police commissioner, and she's like,
Speaker 5: you know what, he's going to be the police commissioner
Speaker 5: to do our justice for the Olympics coming up. And
Speaker 5: it's funny. It's like down the street from me, I
Speaker 5: have a major thoroughway. Used to be like three or
Speaker 5: four r v's on the street. Now it's like three.
Speaker 5: So I guess I guess they're trying to clean up.
Speaker 2: Well, we will see. Yeah, it's it's it's not right
Speaker 2: back here in Massachusetts right now. Have to put it
Speaker 2: that way. But there's a lot of people hurting and
Speaker 2: and I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to come back.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll bring a lot of money if you where
Speaker 2: you want to live, where where you want to go,
Speaker 2: Get an apartment, our house.
Speaker 5: I love if switch dude, I love it.
Speaker 2: Someone here, you know you'll need a couple of million.
Speaker 2: Always a really nice house.
Speaker 5: My family has houses in Lake One of Pasake.
Speaker 2: Is a lot, a lot more reasonable than Massachusetts for
Speaker 2: people coming here. Hey, sal let's keep the conversation going about.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately I got the eleven o'clock news coming around the
Speaker 2: corner here. My man. Thank you much as always, thanks
Speaker 2: for listening. Thanks every great night. Back on nights that
Speaker 2: let's continue this conversation on the other side of the
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