WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.720 What is up, fellow Sikos, I am Dan Valley coming 2 00:00:03.759 --> 00:00:07.000 at you with the one, the only, this certified, fantabulous 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:11.679 mister Grant Hugh's rbnox has gathered you round today to 4 00:00:11.759 --> 00:00:16.600 talk about NBA Free agency, which the free agency itself 5 00:00:17.359 --> 00:00:19.120 has been Do you hear that playing in the background? 6 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.719 There's something in my ear? Grant, I just paused it. Okay, good, 7 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:24.760 there's some lady was talking in my ear. There must 8 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:27.120 be an ad or something. But got it. We're good. 9 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:27.719 We're good. 10 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:29.199 From inside the house. 11 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:32.159 We're here to talk about NBA Free agency, the free 12 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.719 agency of which has been pretty boring. It's been four hours, 13 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.479 over four hours legally since news has been allowed to 14 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:41.759 trickle out. Too much of this stuff happened beforehand, apparently. 15 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.079 But luckily we've got two mega transactions to talk about 16 00:00:45.119 --> 00:00:46.520 and a bunch of other stuff that's just sort of 17 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.200 billing in the wind. Maybe we'll get some live news 18 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.119 and Choms will take like eight hundred words to report 19 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:57.039 exactly two syllables worth of updates. But Grant, how are 20 00:00:57.079 --> 00:01:00.320 you on this free agency extravaganza day? 21 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.799 Well, my agent Mark Bartle, scene and so and so 22 00:01:04.200 --> 00:01:07.200 who I can't remember has I was going to try 23 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:09.840 to replicate that Sham's tweet without looking at it for 24 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.519 the verbiage. I'm happy to be here, happy to punch up. 25 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.400 Schams has made it. He's highly successful, so it's cool 26 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.560 for us to make fun of him and his his 27 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:22.680 water carrying tweets. So I'm feeling good. I'm curious if 28 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:24.640 of the two blockbuster moves you wanted to start with 29 00:01:24.719 --> 00:01:27.480 Luke canardor Keon Ellis, which one really strikes your fancy 30 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:27.840 the most? 31 00:01:28.359 --> 00:01:33.400 Well, actually I wanted to start here. DeAndre Jordan. Did 32 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:35.159 you have that feet up? Yeah? 33 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:37.000 Pretty good. 34 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.319 I Oh look, we got some Zach Collins breaking news too. 35 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:42.200 I'm just gonna shot these out of the Zach Collins 36 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.280 getting two year, seventeen million dollar contract from the Bulls. 37 00:01:46.560 --> 00:01:49.319 No word yet if that includes a mutual does yeah? 38 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.079 Does it include a technically illegal mutual option that can 39 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.640 spur a conversation about a new trade upon being opted 40 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:58.799 into but not out of? See now I remember all 41 00:01:58.840 --> 00:01:59.920 the stupid wording. 42 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:01.920 My brain hurts for. 43 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.719 People that don't. If you're listening to this, you've probably 44 00:02:04.840 --> 00:02:07.120 you're a pretty online bunch, you guys out there, So 45 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.759 like you've seen the cham's tweets about Kean Ellis's deal, 46 00:02:10.759 --> 00:02:14.000 and before that one, what was the ridiculous Oh was 47 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.639 the Andrew Wiggins one that was like inscrutable that he 48 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.879 couldn't parse. There's no such thing as a mutual option. 49 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.319 So when you see that, we've concluded that most likely 50 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:28.800 what that is is a player option on the final 51 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:31.199 year of a contract that is partially guaranteed. And for 52 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.479 an example of that, that's kind of the James Harden 53 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:35.439 situation with the Cavs where he had a player option 54 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.240 for forty two point whatever, but thirteen of that was guaranteed. 55 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.319 So that's the closest thing you get to a mutual option, right, Like, 56 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.719 that's just so we all understand what we're talking about. 57 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.680 And unless teams were allowed to invent new clauses in 58 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:51.080 the CBA and maybe there's mutual options now. 59 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.319 Cool, Hey, that's fun. 60 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:56.800 I guess another thing we need to keep track of now. Yeah, 61 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:58.960 but I did want to say a note since we 62 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:00.879 have the chi on I want I hope the people 63 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:02.360 that are just coming in it or saying like, what 64 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.520 the hell's got why is DeAndre Jordan up on the 65 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.680 right now? But I gotta give it up for DeAndre Jordan. 66 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:11.560 He's always like the first name off the board once 67 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:14.759 free agency goes live. That dude is in demand for 68 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:19.199 his locker room gennes a Quah and just. 69 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:21.960 As someone who I put a huge premium on, like 70 00:03:22.039 --> 00:03:26.360 knowing my schedule for the week and beyond that, I said, 71 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:28.719 I just want to Hey, maybe DeAndre Jordan just doesn't 72 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:30.680 just wants to get it done, wants to know what 73 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:32.319 his next year is going to look like and would 74 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:33.960 like to move on and not hassle with it. So 75 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:36.520 we just now he doesn't have to worry. He's got 76 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:39.039 that money coming, he knows where he's gonna be, and uh, 77 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.000 he can just have his off season. It's good for him. 78 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:45.680 So where did you want to begin you want to 79 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:46.159 talk about? 80 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.759 We probably better go Kauhi who you know the job? 81 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.680 He's something? Well is this guy you couldn't quit Toronto? 82 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:53.879 Toronto couldn't quit him. 83 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.080 Uh, this is the Thados meme, right, you couldn't live 84 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.360 with the weight of your own failure in La Where's 85 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:00.599 it brought you back to us? 86 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.680 Wow, there's a lot of good Thanos memes that have 87 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.560 circulated in the NBA community. So Let's see, I don't 88 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:09.400 want to get the terms up here correct before. 89 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:10.639 Let me Oh, so I do have it in the 90 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.599 doc that I shared John, so I can I can 91 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:14.599 take us through. It's sorry I should let you know that, 92 00:04:14.680 --> 00:04:15.120 but the. 93 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:17.839 Track shares me on that I didn't open yet. 94 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:22.519 You're welcome. So it's the Clipper. The Raptors are trading 95 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:26.519 brandon Ingram Grady Dick a twenty twenty seven first round swap, 96 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.240 a twenty thirty one first round pick and a twenty 97 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:31.759 thirty three first round pick, as well as a twenty 98 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.639 thirty second round pick and a twenty thirty three second 99 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:38.639 round pick to the La Clippers for Kawhi Leonard. The 100 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:40.639 one thing I want to note here is I know 101 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:42.839 people have said that the swap is basically going to 102 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:46.959 be worthless because Toronto will be better than the Clippers. 103 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.639 The OKAC has swap rights with the Clippers next years. 104 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:52.319 Unless you think the Raptors are going to be better 105 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.720 than the Thunder, that swap is actually probably going to 106 00:04:54.800 --> 00:04:56.959 be exercised, and so I think that is an important 107 00:04:56.959 --> 00:04:59.600 element of this deal, as is the fact that the 108 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:05.240 Lake the Lakers, excuse me, the Clippers prioritized the Clippers 109 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:08.199 prioritize the distant first round picks rather than well, the 110 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.720 Raptors are probably gonna be pretty darn good in twenty 111 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.199 twenty seven. There's a swap there obviously, but also the 112 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.680 twenty twenty nine So getting the out years for an 113 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.680 age thirty five? Kuhi Leonard? Who wants an extension? It 114 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.480 seems like and as els, what is it? Two years 115 00:05:21.480 --> 00:05:24.199 one twenty plus? Right? I think I have my notes? Yep, 116 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.600 what are your just what were your one before we 117 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.680 get into the like the elements of this deal, the 118 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:33.439 impact on the court, what they gave up. This is 119 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:35.199 really fucking cool that he just wanted to go back 120 00:05:35.240 --> 00:05:38.480 to Toronto. Yeah, like that's just that's awesome. 121 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.000 I love it and and surprising, like well, I guess 122 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.399 it was really you know, the Raptors and the Spurs. 123 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:45.879 I guess we're the two teams. Which is kind of 124 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:47.560 a funny thing too. It's like, well, he just wants 125 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.319 to go somewhere where he knows where the restaurants are 126 00:05:50.399 --> 00:05:51.519 or whatever. He's comfortable. 127 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:53.920 Uh, he just wants to go where somebody knows his name. 128 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:55.120 Somebody knows his name. 129 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.560 How many film and TV references can be made throughout 130 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.319 this spot. We're often we're off three clips, great. 131 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:05.040 Clips so far. I well, I think let's let's break 132 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:08.480 it up a little bit. Let's talk the Toronto side 133 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:12.399 of it. You preciently called this the why not Us 134 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:14.759 era of the NBA, and this is a very much 135 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:17.759 this is very much a whine not us move. It 136 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:19.560 comes with play a risk. We can talk about those. 137 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:22.600 I think like, as you're assessing how good this Raptor's 138 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:24.879 team is and where it slots in the East, you 139 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.560 don't get to just dismiss all of the reservations we've 140 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:29.959 had about every Clippers team. Kawhi has been on this 141 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:34.480 whole time, basically since he became known for having injuries 142 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.560 and missing games. That all still applies. I'd like the 143 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:41.079 questions about can he make it through a full regular 144 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:43.879 season in playoffs are all still there, If not like 145 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.720 amplified because he's thirty five, but adding him to this 146 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.120 team and getting rid of brandon Ingram, who is not 147 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:53.600 a helpful postseason player, and a bunch of draft capital, 148 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:56.480 it definitely elevates the Raptors. I don't know. I can't 149 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:58.879 sit here and say they're clearly better than the Knicks 150 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:01.120 or the or the celt or whoever else you want 151 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.720 to toss in there. But they're definitely improved, and maybe 152 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.959 that's all it takes in the East and in the 153 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:12.439 league right now. I do think there's a great case 154 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:15.519 that like they're they're in a conversation they weren't in before, 155 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.560 which which is like kind of all you want right now. 156 00:07:19.639 --> 00:07:21.600 I think like, it's hard to do a whole lot 157 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:24.000 better than that. There aren't a lot of super teams 158 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:26.560 being constructed these days, so this is this is kind 159 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.639 of the best you can do. Do you do you 160 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.319 agree with that? Like or do you think, oh, this 161 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:33.000 is a favorite? 162 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:33.120 Now? 163 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:34.720 Are we just kind of like, well, the Raptors are 164 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.639 involved in the conversation. 165 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.199 There, I mean, the offseason is still so unsettled. But 166 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:43.000 the idea of him going to a top five defense, 167 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.040 where I know that they their offense improved last year 168 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:47.319 and I think it was top ten and a half 169 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.399 court it just that wasn't we saw in the playoffs. 170 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.879 It wasn't a top ten, no half court type offense. 171 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.920 But you're surrounding him with the level of defensive talent 172 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:57.560 already in place. Brendan Ingram and Grady Dick. I would say, 173 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:02.439 we're not active participants in informing that defense brand Ingram 174 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.519 operated within it, but he was still someone that you 175 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:08.120 needed to game plan around. Kawi is the opposite is Okay, 176 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.439 you have Scotty, you have CMB of Jamal shed the Kawhi. 177 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.079 Leonard's job gets easier, but it can still be harder 178 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.600 than brandon Ingram's was. And you're going to be great. 179 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.000 I think what this does, it's tough to say because 180 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:20.759 we don't know what Detroit is gonna do. They just 181 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:24.639 seem like a mess, but it's their situation is fluid. 182 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.639 They're not a mess, but it's right now. The biggest 183 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:28.439 thing they've done is they have Isaiah Joe and they 184 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.399 resigned Kevin Herder and the Jayleen dur and stuff's getting awkward. 185 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:33.360 I think it's easy in the moment to sit here, 186 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.440 look at what's happening in Detroit, look at the unease 187 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:39.600 in Boston, what's gonna happen with Jalen Brown, and say, 188 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:41.200 you know what, the Raptors are just the second best 189 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.879 team in the East. I think that's a stinctive possibility. 190 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:46.159 But we'll be getting ahead of our skis a little 191 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.480 bit here. And I think the biggest thing of what 192 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.559 you said is Kawhi Leonard's health. We don't know if 193 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:53.519 he's gonna like if he's if he plays in fewer 194 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:55.879 games than it takes to qualify for all NBA. And 195 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:57.840 I'm talking about you know, if it's sixty three or 196 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:01.120 sixty whatever. Okay, great, you're you're gonna have questions. What 197 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.000 Bowden's really well for this team is not just the youth, 198 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:06.960 like they're really young around him, and so that's going 199 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:10.320 to just even when he's playing and they're playing fast, 200 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.759 it should make him, it should make his life easier. 201 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.679 The other thing here, though, is Kawhi Leonard has kind 202 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:20.360 of proven to me that his is now a game 203 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:23.519 that might age gracefully. On the offensive end, he took 204 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.720 a ton of threes last year. He took over four 205 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.440 unassisted three point attempts per game last year, and he 206 00:09:30.440 --> 00:09:32.840 shot them at like a thirty seven thirty eight percent clip. 207 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.600 The Raptors did like Brandon Ingram wasn't doing that even 208 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.399 if he gave you the three point volume. Scottie Barnes 209 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:40.440 can't do that. That's not even really a manual. Quickly's 210 00:09:40.480 --> 00:09:43.960 game to have that now within this offense as a 211 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:45.840 not as a crutch, but as an option. But then 212 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:49.559 it's also well, Kawhi is now used to spacing the floor, 213 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.240 so he's gonna get up threes in higher volume. I 214 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:56.440 think it makes it easier for him to deemphasize him 215 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:58.360 in the offense or at least as he ages, or 216 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:00.360 at least come up with a plan to wear our 217 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:02.960 offense might not look so different. It will look different, 218 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.000 but when Kuhi is not playing like he's settled into 219 00:10:06.039 --> 00:10:08.279 a different type of roles where it's not just Kawhi 220 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:10.240 is the hub and he's are all everything. They don't 221 00:10:10.279 --> 00:10:12.440 need that this time around for him. So that's why 222 00:10:12.480 --> 00:10:15.960 I find it intriguing and also why I think you 223 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:18.720 can justify like this is a real outlay, Like we're 224 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:20.799 talking about age thirty five, Kuhi Leanderders about to get 225 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:21.320 a new deal. 226 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:25.519 That's the next question, really, and you have to view 227 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.120 you have to try to answer it in some pretty 228 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.600 important context, which is Kawhi basically said, this is the 229 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.639 only place that I'm going to extend right, so like 230 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.480 Toronto knew that, and it still costs like a no 231 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:42.159 joke package of draft capital to get this done. I 232 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:46.279 do think, I mean, I'm lower on Ingram than probably 233 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:48.519 almost everybody, but like. 234 00:10:48.440 --> 00:10:50.759 Well, who are you lower on brandon Ingram or Lamela Ball? 235 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:52.320 The people will come on. 236 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:57.759 Man way lower on Ingram. So like maybe part of 237 00:10:57.799 --> 00:11:01.639 this is, like I guess, like you have to include 238 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:04.600 the two real firsts and the swap because you're also 239 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.720 getting like the Clippers probably don't want Ingram, Like I 240 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.720 don't think it's it's likely maybe they'll surprise us that 241 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.120 la can turn around and turn and flip Ingram for 242 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.200 like significantly positive value, maybe moderately positive value. But everybody 243 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.519 hated that extension once he signed it, right, Like I 244 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.440 just I don't know. Maybe I'm not listening to the 245 00:11:23.440 --> 00:11:27.679 pro brandon Ingram section of the populace, but this is 246 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:30.120 a lot to give up for someone who steered himself 247 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:33.000 to you and kind of shut off, you know, other 248 00:11:33.240 --> 00:11:37.480 teams which shrunk the market limited leverage. So it's it 249 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.840 is a lot, and I I just think, like I think, 250 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.639 as we sit here now, I view the risk as 251 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.720 worth it, but it is a risk, like it's an 252 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:50.960 it's a massive risk. The dude's thirty five, I think 253 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.440 he gives Toronto someplace to go with the ball in 254 00:11:55.480 --> 00:11:58.360 the postseason games they want to win, and probably more broadly, 255 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:02.000 the very real ability to have the best player on 256 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:05.519 the floor for a given series, regardless of who they play, 257 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.120 like Kawhi can be that good like we have. We've 258 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.240 seen it plenty of times. Like I'm not just talking 259 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.799 finals MVPs, but like last year, there were streaches where like, 260 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:15.879 this guy's a first team All NBA player, like full stop, 261 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:16.639 he just I. 262 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.440 Had him on my first team he was. 263 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.159 I would be I would be shocked if he when 264 00:12:21.200 --> 00:12:24.200 he plays, I would be shocked if he's not just 265 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.559 no brainer all NBA caliber producer. How much is he 266 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:29.080 gonna play? 267 00:12:29.480 --> 00:12:30.399 That's just you. 268 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.759 You don't get to pretend like that's not an issue 269 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.080 because he changed teams, like that's been the issue for 270 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.960 five of the seven years or four of the seven 271 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:41.960 that he was in LA. Uh So that's all to say, 272 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:46.320 hugely risky. I think this is a reasonable package. If, 273 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.399 if anything, it's a little too much from from Toronto, 274 00:12:49.480 --> 00:12:50.759 I would say, what do you what do you think? 275 00:12:51.720 --> 00:12:55.240 You're probably right, but I wonder how much of what's 276 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.840 factoring it is they're just familiarity with how Kawhi likes 277 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:01.120 to operate and knowing that he'll be open to his 278 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:04.360 workload being managed because it's he's coming to a different 279 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.840 situation than he was in the Clippers even last year. 280 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:10.080 I mean James Harden was there for part of the season, 281 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:12.799 but shape going into this year and towards the end 282 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:15.120 of last year like he was very much everything. And 283 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:18.440 so you now juxtapose that against not just the Raptors, 284 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.519 is I would say you have more on ball options 285 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:23.600 in general when you're looking at Scotty Barnes or Manual 286 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.440 Quickly and r J. Barrett. But just look at what 287 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:28.519 Scotty did in the playoffs because he was His on 288 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:32.919 ball share increased a excuse me, decreased a ton last season, 289 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.000 which was good. I think like that made it easier 290 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.399 on Barrett, on Ingram, on the minutes he played with Quickly. 291 00:13:38.120 --> 00:13:41.639 That being said, now if you're ready to scale him 292 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:45.799 up like does I don't know how much of Kawhi's 293 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.080 health can be related to his actual workload versus is 294 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:52.120 this just a degenerative condition he's getting older. That's the risk. 295 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.480 I it probably is. Push comes to shove. It's probably 296 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.679 a hair too much I mean Brandon Ingram had returned 297 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.360 to quote unquote all star level, and I think even 298 00:14:01.399 --> 00:14:03.000 he was banged up in the playoffs, and they were 299 00:14:03.039 --> 00:14:06.159 just asking him to do something that he shouldn't be 300 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.519 tasked with doing. When you're looking at the like the 301 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:10.720 defensive attention he would draw, or just the role you 302 00:14:10.759 --> 00:14:14.240 wanted him to play. Kawhi Leonard can do that. And 303 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:18.360 I think in a vacuum, what you gave up, including Ingram, 304 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:21.639 is worth what you're getting, even when factoring in the 305 00:14:21.679 --> 00:14:25.200 age and extension. But we're kind of circling the drain 306 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.120 on well, how many games you're getting it for. I 307 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.440 actually don't think it matters as long as he's available 308 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:32.440 for the playoffs. And so this is this situation where 309 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:35.679 he needs to play fifty games in the regular season 310 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.919 next year, then so be it. I think the Raptors 311 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.639 have enough that they're young enough that they could navigate it. 312 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:44.600 So it's it's a lot, it's a and now you 313 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:47.879 I'm assuming they're gonna extend him, right like, that's that's 314 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:48.840 got to be part. 315 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.159 Of the Yeah, I'm pricing that in and that and 316 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.519 you know, I don't know how much is going to change. 317 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.799 I guess just the natural decline of age will make 318 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:01.799 maybe those out years a little if here. But yeah, whatever, 319 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.720 that's just that was part of it. I don't have 320 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:05.639 a huge issue with it. What about the Clippers side 321 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.840 of this, because if we're sitting here both saying like 322 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.559 maybe Toronto gave up a little too much. 323 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:14.480 As if you had any concerns about the Kawhi fit, 324 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:16.639 do you think that this is just hand in glove. 325 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:20.480 He's the type of player that there's no such thing 326 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.639 as a fit issue with him. He because he does 327 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:25.080 everything well. Like he's a great off ball scorer. He's 328 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:27.279 a great on ball scorer. He's a great playoff scorer 329 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:29.200 because he can make difficult shots. He can guard who 330 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:31.159 you need him to guard. He can guard, he can 331 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.039 play bigger players. You're probably not gonna put him on 332 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:36.240 a point guard, but like the Raptors are very well 333 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.799 equipped to handle point Shed's a great defender. They can 334 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.159 you know, Scottie Barnes can guard anybody. I don't see 335 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.519 a fit issue whatsoever. No, I don't. 336 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:49.879 I'm curious to see just how the offensive usage is distributed, 337 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.279 because I think the biggest adjustment, probably aside from Kawhi 338 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.360 this probably has the biggest like emmanual quickly and RJ. 339 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.799 Barrett will have to adapt the most. At the same time, 340 00:15:58.840 --> 00:16:01.159 Brandon Ingram was just there this season, so you even 341 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:04.519 if Kauhi takes up more total usage, when you're looking 342 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.440 at him as a playmaker, I probably agree with you there. 343 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:10.200 You did say something though that I didn't really think of. 344 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.080 And we've talked about a lot in other trades. Part 345 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:15.399 of the premium you're paying here is you didn't need 346 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.200 to give up any of your premier prospects. Jakobe Walter 347 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:22.840 is still here, Jamal shed is still there. Of CMB, 348 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.639 most notably is still there for sure, And so that 349 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.519 ends up being Alan Graves. You didn't have to include 350 00:16:27.559 --> 00:16:30.960 him or you just drafted so and I'm the other 351 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:33.080 thing that I am curious. We've seen Kaui play on 352 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:35.559 faster iterations of the Clippers before, even though he wasn't 353 00:16:35.559 --> 00:16:37.440 the driving force of it. I want to see if 354 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.840 that changes with Toronto at all, Like does that impact 355 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:43.000 them getting up and down the floor. But that's probably 356 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.840 If anything, it probably just adds variability to the cadence 357 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:47.720 at which they could play, because when you're in transition, 358 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:50.919 previously as Toronto. It felt almost as if, well, that's 359 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:53.240 so we don't have to operate in the half court 360 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:55.440 and now you don't have to view it as that 361 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:56.519 type of a proposition. 362 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.120 Yeah, I think too, like the guys that really affect 363 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:03.559 your pace, like a Luca, for example, who wants to 364 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:05.759 bring the ball up and does it slowly every time. 365 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.400 That's not Kauwhi. So the Raptors can very much just 366 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.240 keep running sort of around him because he's not the 367 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:14.400 one that like is gonna get it over at seventeen 368 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.519 seconds and then you know, get you into something. And 369 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.279 like he's not eating up the clock, dribbling the ball 370 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:23.359 or like walking it up like that. That's just so 371 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.039 I think he's not going to be like run sprinting 372 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:29.599 the wings every possession. You know, they're not going to 373 00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.960 be rushing the ball over half court at twenty two 374 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:35.079 and he's out there ahead of the pack. But like 375 00:17:35.759 --> 00:17:38.359 everybody else that can is young and athletic will be 376 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.319 like that, I don't think. I don't think he's the 377 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:45.519 type of addition that meaningfully affects your pace and in 378 00:17:45.559 --> 00:17:48.440 this case specifically slows it down like what he does. 379 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.480 It's in the only sense in which he slows things 380 00:17:52.519 --> 00:17:56.880 down on offense is the one in which, like, oh shit, 381 00:17:56.960 --> 00:17:59.200 there's six seconds left on the clock. We didn't get 382 00:17:59.240 --> 00:18:01.640 anything done. Let's throw it to him in an ISO 383 00:18:01.920 --> 00:18:05.279 from seventeen feet and like he'll get us a way 384 00:18:05.319 --> 00:18:08.319 better shot, like in a deliberate fashion than we would 385 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.160 have gotten otherwise, Like, which is a value add to me. 386 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.559 So I yeah, I I'm sure there's like there's always 387 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:18.440 gonna be some growing pains, but like, I just think 388 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:21.599 he's the type of player, like he's the ultimate version 389 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:26.240 of the scalable the like fun fungibles a pejorative, but 390 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:29.839 like a he's portable. He's the ultimate portable player. Wherever 391 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:33.400 you put him, there's no it's impossible to have someone 392 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.079 that's like, well, this is a bad fit just because 393 00:18:35.079 --> 00:18:36.039 he does everything well. 394 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:39.880 And the final thing, I hope we get to see 395 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.319 lots of just the barn cmb Kawhi front court. I 396 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:45.200 know that you don't really necessarily have like a true 397 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.119 five there. And that's by the way, yaka pertl if 398 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:53.119 he's healthy, great, but with Mamu probably leaving you, that's 399 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:54.799 gonna have to be like that. I think that's the 400 00:18:54.839 --> 00:18:56.799 biggest need that they're gonna have at this point, we 401 00:18:56.839 --> 00:18:58.240 need a different type of big in here. 402 00:18:58.400 --> 00:19:00.559 Yeah, but you will see those three on the court 403 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.519 closing every game that Toronto wants to win. 404 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.400 Like that that you'll sleep plenty. 405 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:07.559 Right like that. That will be your closing front cord. 406 00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:09.680 And it's nasty, it's really good. 407 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.880 What is up, fellasickos? You're listening to this episode right 408 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:15.119 now thinking wow, would be so cool if there were 409 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:15.960 no ads on it. 410 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:17.839 We have the power to make this the last ad 411 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:19.799 you ever hear. 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Thank you 423 00:19:46.279 --> 00:19:48.359 again as always for listening and for watching. 424 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:52.160 And now back to the show. Up. What are your thoughts? 425 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:55.359 Well, you have to say they did well here. If 426 00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.400 we think that Toronto gave up like a touch. 427 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.359 You say it's a nice piece of business. That's what 428 00:19:59.519 --> 00:19:59.920 I would call. 429 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.079 I would call it a solid little piece of business. 430 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:05.039 If you're not going to extend them, which they weren't, 431 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:09.200 which is why this all started. Then they did well 432 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:12.240 dealing with what turned out to be a market of one. 433 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.240 I guess if if Toronto was really the only team 434 00:20:15.480 --> 00:20:18.359 that Kawhi wanted to go to, I don't care for. 435 00:20:20.319 --> 00:20:23.200 When there was breaking news, could we just love it 436 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:28.599 if you would? Dean Wade, Ladies and gentlemen, four years, 437 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.960 thirty nine million dollars with the Philadelphia seventy six ers. 438 00:20:32.240 --> 00:20:36.480 We're still waiting to see if there's any mutual options included. 439 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.359 That's gonna have to be the new thing. They they 440 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.480 non taxed. That's like, that's not the taxpayers MLA. 441 00:20:43.880 --> 00:20:47.799 Wow, I thought I saw the other like, well yesterday, 442 00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:50.039 maybe someone was speculating he might just get the full 443 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:53.400 mid level over four years, just like the four for 444 00:20:53.519 --> 00:20:54.960 sixty four or something like that. 445 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:58.000 Right, Yeah, so he didn't get that. 446 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:00.759 No, that wouldn't be too that'd be too whatever. The 447 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.000 full mid level would have graded out over four years. 448 00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:05.960 What are you? What do you? How do you feel 449 00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:10.119 about Dean Wade in Philly? That's like, defensively, sure does 450 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:12.920 he take enough? Like I'm assuming Quentin Grinds and Kelly 451 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:15.400 Bridge Unior are both kind of gone now. 452 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:19.279 Yeah, I think that's a pretty good value. I could 453 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:21.599 just imagine, though, a playoff series where it's like, he's 454 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.160 taken one shot in eighty seven postseason minutes so far, 455 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.279 and everybody's gonna be upset about it. That's just that's 456 00:21:28.519 --> 00:21:32.000 these one of the lowest usage players of the modern era. 457 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.680 Just like not an exaggeration, but good defender. And if 458 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:39.680 he just shoots every three he has that he's open. 459 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:41.400 I think that's a good get, is not? You know, 460 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:43.200 anything below the mid level for a guy that you 461 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:46.200 could start a playoff game with is pretty good. 462 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:49.319 Is it? I just feel I'm not going to predict this. 463 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:51.519 I just feel as if we said a lot of 464 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.880 the same things when they went and got Caleb Martin 465 00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:56.640 for a similar price point, and look at how that 466 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:57.200 turned out. 467 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:02.160 Yeah. Yeah, well there's always a possibility. I mean, yeah, 468 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:04.640 well the downsides are well understood. Wade just kind of 469 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.759 is invisible a lot of the time, and and but 470 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:13.240 you're not paying them. I think that's that's reasonable. Yeah, 471 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:14.599 I don't have a lot else to say about that. 472 00:22:14.599 --> 00:22:16.759 That seems like I think it should. 473 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.759 They could be well. I guess it depends on how 474 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.720 available Joelle and Pete is. But between him Edgecomb and 475 00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.200 even the way that Paul George played this year, they 476 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.200 have Dominic Barlow there. They do have some now rangy 477 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:32.039 defensive guys which will be good. So I think the 478 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.920 price point is fine. I'm just you're Kelly R. Junior 479 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.519 wasn't the best shooter Quentin Grimes and theory was volume. 480 00:22:38.519 --> 00:22:41.799 Maybe they're hoping le Baron Filon is gonna be able 481 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.720 to give them real minutes. I'm I don't know what 482 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:45.799 this offense is good, Like, it's just all Tyre's Max 483 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:47.519 and VJ. Edge Combe need to go kaboom. 484 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.160 I guess is what if it was like they still 485 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.079 got some dude that want a m v P one time, 486 00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:54.480 and they still got some dude that I forget his name. 487 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:58.279 Uh yeah, let's let's get back to the Clippers here. 488 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.839 Because you're fine, are they just yelling and interjecting whenever 489 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:03.240 it's yeah, yeah. 490 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:04.880 Because I don't have I don't have blue Sky open, 491 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:10.599 so all right, it's not it's not auto updating. So yeah, 492 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.240 I think I think if we agree that the Raptors 493 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:16.200 gave up like a little too much maybe for for 494 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:17.759 the risk they're taking on, you have to say the 495 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:22.279 Clippers did well here. Uh it I think, what do 496 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:25.240 they have like nine surplus draft picks first rounders now 497 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:26.079 or something. 498 00:23:25.799 --> 00:23:28.440 Like that, so they're well, I think I think they'll 499 00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:31.119 be down to two after that investigation. 500 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:34.160 Right, there was a point at which they had a 501 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.160 huge surplus of draft picks. Yeah, that that might go away. 502 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:43.160 But uh, this leaves them with Darius Garland, uh, brandon 503 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:46.480 Ingram and like not a lot else like Derek Jones. 504 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:49.119 I guess Chris Dunn has got his deal. Geared Cpez 505 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:54.440 still there, Lopez is there, He's back. Yeah. I I 506 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.759 I will be curious to see if they view Ingram 507 00:23:56.759 --> 00:24:00.240 as someone that they just want to keep or to 508 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.160 flip and if that's and what that might return them, 509 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.680 because then you get to view it as like, well, 510 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.119 they traded Kawhi for all this plus whatever they got 511 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.680 for brandon Ingram, which might make this look better or worse. 512 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.119 I don't. I don't really got to have a good 513 00:24:12.160 --> 00:24:13.799 sense of Ingram's value on the market. 514 00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:15.799 Well, I was gonna ask, don't you think wasn't he 515 00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.119 kind of treated as nothing more than net neutral in 516 00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:20.960 this when you look at what else Toronto gave up? 517 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:23.519 Or no? Can you argue that? Can you say he wasn't? 518 00:24:23.640 --> 00:24:26.000 Can you definitively say the two years and eighty million 519 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:28.799 left on his contract weren't treated as a net negative? 520 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.519 Ye? I can't definitively say that. Maybe the swap, maybe 521 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.200 the twenty seven swaps not involved if if it's if 522 00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:36.440 it's Barrett and like some other money that I guess 523 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:39.200 the Clippers would have preferred. I don't know. No, you 524 00:24:39.240 --> 00:24:42.640 can't definitively say that. But yeah, I don't know where 525 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.759 this leaves the Clippers other than to say that this 526 00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.480 is very much they've turned the page, like all the 527 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:51.039 like the this previous aras over zoobots has gone, Hardens 528 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:53.480 long gone, Paul George is longer gone, Coawhi is out, 529 00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:57.759 like this is this is just a fresher start, but 530 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.920 you still have like a pretty high priced lead guard. 531 00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:04.599 So in Garland, somebody had to say it. 532 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:08.160 I guess, well, I was gonna ask, because they don't 533 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:12.559 control the rights to their own picks. Could it just 534 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:14.759 be we have Ingram, we have some bets, we have 535 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.119 Garland and we want to be decent, or because now 536 00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:21.359 you have the swap rights knowing that Toronto's not going 537 00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:25.119 to be better than okay, see right, do you look 538 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.200 at I guess my main question is do you look 539 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:29.480 at moving Darius Garland now or do you not think 540 00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:31.240 that his value is high enough for them to be 541 00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:33.119 traveling down that path. 542 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:36.279 I think you look at moving him just because he's 543 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.960 not someone I would I would rate as like a 544 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:42.039 cornerstone piece, right, Like he's an all star type player 545 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:46.240 that has some health uncertainty, so and it's not cheap, 546 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.440 So yeah, I would look at moving him. I do 547 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:52.440 think this trade and a lot of others we may discuss, 548 00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.000 are pretty indicative of what the new lottery system is incentivizing, 549 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.400 because there's a world where they just hang the clippers, 550 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.319 just hang on ing and they build around him in 551 00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:03.519 Garland and they try to win forty some games, and 552 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:05.720 that's that's not a bad thing anymore if as long 553 00:26:05.759 --> 00:26:09.200 as you're not, you know, supplementing that with like bad 554 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:14.880 contracts elsewhere. So I I I'm not that excited about 555 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.680 the Clippers, Like this is kind of a team to 556 00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:20.400 me now, and they were a lot more interesting with Kawhi, 557 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:23.279 even if you know, all the health issues he brought 558 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.000 were part of that picture. But I think it's a 559 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.640 fine return. I think it's pretty good, especially especially if 560 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:30.960 we really do have to concede that, like he was 561 00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:34.640 only going to Toronto and there wasn't anybody else bidding 562 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:37.160 the you know, moving the price up. 563 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.839 I I think that. I guess I'm just too I know, 564 00:26:40.920 --> 00:26:43.880 he just had one of the best seasons of his career. 565 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:46.880 I guess I'm so fixated on the age, the injury history, 566 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.720 the fourth coming extension and if they wanted a reset 567 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.400 and and as you mentioned, finite number of destinations he's 568 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.720 one a sign like they got all of this. I 569 00:26:57.440 --> 00:26:59.960 guess all of this is it's just maybe I'm over 570 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.440 estimating the value those first round picks, maybe is I. 571 00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.000 Mean, like this is also just the Clippers, I mean, 572 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.119 not the trade specifically, but their unwillingness to extend Kawhi 573 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:13.480 is just them saying like he's thirty five, man, Like 574 00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:16.119 how much like the odds? Like is the health situation 575 00:27:16.200 --> 00:27:19.240 going to improve going forward? Like why not move now? 576 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.599 And just gets like what's more likely that we look 577 00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:25.839 back in a year and say, man, the Clippers, sure 578 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:28.440 we're shrewd to get anything for Kawhi because look where 579 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.279 he's at now and he's you know, he's banged up 580 00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:32.400 or whatever and not healthy. Or we look at the 581 00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:34.799 Raptors as like, can you believe he got them like 582 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.640 to Game seven of the conference finals? Which is more likely? 583 00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.759 Honestly, I mean it's the former. You're right, it's the 584 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:47.400 first one. With that being said, though, the contrast between 585 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.400 the East and the West comes into play here. Then 586 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:53.359 Toronto has this innerian in which Kawhi just takes them 587 00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.559 to the conference finals or better that did not exist 588 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.640 in La as good as the Clippers. You weren't between 589 00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:02.920 Santa Tony on Okac specifically, but also Denver and Minnesota 590 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.160 floating around out there. Who knows what the Lakers end 591 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.079 up doing, So yeah, I think they probably did fine. 592 00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.000 But now that I'm thinking about it, I guess there 593 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:15.400 other moves could be made, but they're Remember they were 594 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.680 all in on this like blank slate in twenty twenty 595 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.559 seven and now just do you have Garland, you have 596 00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:21.799 Ingram and that's the ninety million bucks just on your 597 00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:24.359 books between the two of them. So I'm interested to 598 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:28.039 see they don't feel they don't feel done, because right 599 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:29.559 now they feel in the middle. I don't know if 600 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.880 that's where they're trying to be though, if they're looking 601 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.960 to trade, actually that would have been a great segue 602 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.440 and say they're looking to trade a guard. I hear 603 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:38.839 Portland is collecting them, but I wanted to I wanted 604 00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.880 to ask you if should the Spurs have gotten involved 605 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.720 on Kuhi? If this if you're if this was the cost? 606 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:50.799 Yeah, so a couple outright, first's a swap? Who's the 607 00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:53.079 money going out and who's the brands? 608 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:53.359 Right? 609 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.680 If it's Noah, you have my attention. I think yes, 610 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:03.920 I do, because I think Leonard is more likely to 611 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.519 put them over the top than a healthy Fox. But 612 00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.519 what I would say is the more I've thought about 613 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.640 the Spurs, the more I think that like what they 614 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.960 it would be nice to have, be nice to have 615 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:22.240 Kawhi Leonard on the Spurs, or yeah, I know, or 616 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:26.880 just somebody that's an upgrade on We've talked about it forever, 617 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.880 just like a three slash four sized person that is 618 00:29:31.359 --> 00:29:33.759 as good or better than Fox, just at a different position, 619 00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:38.960 like flipping, changing, like toggling those knobs. But the more 620 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:40.759 I think about it, the more I'm convinced that, like 621 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:47.279 the Spurs, what they need is just like organic growth 622 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.599 and experience and a little bit of improvement more than 623 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:52.400 they need like a new guy to come in and 624 00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.839 fix them. They're not like a player away, They're like 625 00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:59.720 time away to me. So I would be more hesitant 626 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:01.920 in one sense to make this move, because if I'm 627 00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.680 the Spurs, I can more confidently than the Raptors say 628 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:07.160 we're just a little under baked, and give us some 629 00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.559 time and we'll keep all our assets and win a title, 630 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.400 and then we'll be really well positioned. But at the 631 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.640 same time, it's like, you're very close. It would be 632 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.240 hard for you to be closer to winging a title 633 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.519 than they were. Go get the piece that you think 634 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:22.599 puts you over at the top. I'm receptive to that, 635 00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:25.599 So yeah, I would go get Kawhi if I could, 636 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:28.599 but it's not the worst thing in the world that 637 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:31.000 they did, and it's not like some giant missed opportunity. 638 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:35.000 To me, I wouldn't have done it because I think 639 00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.799 and I don't agree, whose trade value is higher in 640 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:40.160 a vacuum, Darn Fox or brandon Ingram. 641 00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:48.440 Ooh, Who's I would? I guess you got us? I 642 00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:50.920 don't know. I don't know. I just should all over 643 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:53.319 brandon Ingram. Can I say brandon Ingram still just because 644 00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.319 Fox's deal is so long and. 645 00:30:56.599 --> 00:30:58.640 I thought you were gonna say Fox. And my guess 646 00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:00.920 would be that maybe people on the league say the 647 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:02.400 same thing. And so if he had to be part 648 00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.960 of the matching salary, I still think he's too good 649 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.480 and I don't view him as anything near a toxic 650 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.079 asset to have then needed to compensate the Clippers to 651 00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.160 do that. And then if you get into Devin Vassell, 652 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:18.440 Keldon Johnson permutations, now I'm just okay Kelden Johnson of 653 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.119 it all, sure, But without Vaselle, now I'm just wondering 654 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:24.359 if we fundamentally altered the team a little bit too much. 655 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.359 I know that he's technically duplicative. If Dylan Harper is 656 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.079 gonna make the leap and you have Fox and Steph 657 00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.240 Castle's there, but he is what the Spurs is most 658 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:36.799 Who's the Spurs' most bankable shooter? Unless I'm forgetting someone, 659 00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:40.079 it's probably him or Wemby. 660 00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.640 Yeah, maybe you might be here. I I don't know 661 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.839 what the league thinks about Fox's deal. I could imagine 662 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.799 a world where they're just like, he's a good starter, 663 00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:54.559 that's not going to be an All Star again, and 664 00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.599 he makes fifty million dollars a year, Like that's you're 665 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:00.319 paying us to take that on. I could imagine that, 666 00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.640 whereas Ingram is just two more years at like forty 667 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.920 a pop. Right. I don't know, I don't. I think 668 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:11.640 they're both not great great. Uh trade assets, to be honest. 669 00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:13.559 Jo Morant, Yeah, thirty one thirty the trade details. I 670 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.480 hope everyone sit down. This is gonna take a while 671 00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:16.359 for me to get through. 672 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:17.039 Uh. 673 00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.039 The Memphis Cruzzies traded Ja Morant to the Portland Trail 674 00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:24.319 Blazers for Jeremy Grant Chris Murray and that's it. 675 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.880 Right, and and so now the Blazers, I'm just hold on, 676 00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.039 I'm just getting in my earpiece here that the Blazers 677 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.880 are gonna give Ja Morant four years and two hundred 678 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.200 million dollars because that's what you do when you trade 679 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:38.000 just bad money for a point guard. 680 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:40.480 In the spirit, in the spirit of mutual options. That 681 00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:41.920 extension would also be illegal. 682 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:46.400 Uh ran Oh, sorry, the Wizards somehow are gonna give 683 00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.640 Jo Moran two hundred million. I don't know how that's 684 00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.920 gonna work, but you know they've got to move. 685 00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:53.680 Can we talk about the Grizzlies first? What did you 686 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.440 make of them? This was to me, I viewed it 687 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.400 as they were able to make the decision to rip 688 00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:02.359 off the band aid and trade John Morant for I 689 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.440 think Jeremy Grant. I think the pendulum has swung too 690 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.559 far on it. There's two years left. It's like seventy 691 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:10.640 million bucks for someone who shoots threes, can't rebound, can 692 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.119 still defend, create a shot a little bit, Just sign 693 00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:16.279 me up. They wouldn't have been able to stomach this 694 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.319 return for John Morant, or maybe it just would have 695 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:20.960 looked a lot worse if they didn't get so much 696 00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.680 for Desmond Bane and even Jaron Jackson Junior, whose return 697 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.640 I thought could have been higher. But I think there's 698 00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.160 value even if you don't think Morant would have been 699 00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:33.880 a malcontent. Just hit reset and let the system develop, 700 00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:37.799 like Cam Boozer is there, Zach Edy is there, Cedric 701 00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.920 Coward is there, Jalen Wells is there. Like, just let 702 00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:44.400 just let the system develop around your core guys now independent, 703 00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.039 like the John Morant stuff has been happening. I would say, 704 00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:51.279 in ernest for a year, right, just get escape from 705 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:56.160 from like the specter of that speculation. So I'm fine 706 00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.720 with the return. I don't think, oh what if Chris 707 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.559 Murray shoots the league average three and he still defends. 708 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.119 But I think it's just you needed to do this 709 00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:05.960 so that you could move on, and so I'm on 710 00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:09.079 board with what they old. I honestly think this is 711 00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.239 the type of trade. I know. I just poop pooed 712 00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:14.000 all over the LaMelo return, but he was the driving 713 00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:16.039 force of a team that was so good last year. 714 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:18.719 John Morant has played in less than one season's worth 715 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.159 of games over the past three years. Yeah, I think 716 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:23.000 that this is one of those trades. No, it wouldn't 717 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.480 get you. I think if John Morant goes off in Portland, 718 00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:28.079 maybe could it get Zach Climban fired? I doubt it, 719 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.400 but I think that this is a tough when you 720 00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:32.719 look at how much he meant to that city. He 721 00:34:32.800 --> 00:34:35.320 was the last kind of remaining remnant of an era 722 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.199 that was supposed to last longer, be better. I think 723 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:41.400 it takes some guts. Maybe it was easier with Cam 724 00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:43.159 Boozer coming in the door Shore, but I think it 725 00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.360 does take a level of guts to say we're not 726 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.199 gonna try and rehabilitate his value. We're kind of just 727 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:49.960 accepting this and we're gonna move on. 728 00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.639 It was never gonna happen with John Morant in Memphis ever. Again, 729 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.920 it was done like that. It just too much had 730 00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.239 gone on on the court, off the court, vibes wise, 731 00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.639 you name it like, it was just over and so 732 00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:07.599 if John Morant does return to form in Portland, which 733 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:09.960 I think is highly unlikely for a number of reasons, 734 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:11.960 but if he does, it's not impossible. If he does, 735 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.800 I don't think you get to look back and judge 736 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.000 the Grizzlies for what they got or for trading him, 737 00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.639 because it was not going to happen. Meant like it 738 00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:23.360 was over right, So it's not you don't get to say, well, 739 00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:25.400 look what would have happened like look how good he 740 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:27.440 would have been again had he stayed with the Grizzlies. 741 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.719 It's just it's not reality. I think this is a 742 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.800 win because Memphis was able to do this without giving 743 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:35.199 up an asset, and for a very long time that 744 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.440 was the expectation, right, that was like the Windhorse quote 745 00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:40.400 from however many months ago, if like he's viewed as 746 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:42.920 a negative asset, that the that the Grizzlies will have 747 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:46.719 to attach a pick to to move. Jeremy Grant's contract 748 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.079 is not good, but it's not like this month's. You know, 749 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.639 remember like a couple of years ago where where we 750 00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.880 were having the conversation of like gosh, all the bad 751 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.079 contracts are kind of gone away, like who's the worst, 752 00:35:57.119 --> 00:35:58.840 and you kind of have to point to Jeremy Grant 753 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.280 as like, I guess this counts now, but you said it. 754 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.079 It's two years in like seventy million, like thirty five 755 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:08.400 a year for a forward that is like still pretty 756 00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:11.599 decent at a lot of stuff. That's fine, Like that's 757 00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:14.079 the cost of getting off of Morant, which is to me, 758 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:18.119 way better than giving up a pick, especially if you're 759 00:36:18.119 --> 00:36:20.239 Memphis and you're starting over, like you want you want 760 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.880 to hold onto those. So this makes no sense to 761 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.360 me from Portland's perspective, like roster wise, but I'm fine 762 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.360 with it on the grizzly side. 763 00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:33.880 I did trade grades over a bleacher report for this. 764 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:37.679 I got slammed for giving the Blazers a D. I 765 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:42.079 think this is the value proposition in a vacuum. Jeremy 766 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:44.280 Grant and Chris Murray for the idea of John Morant 767 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:48.159 is fine. I think you stand to just do more 768 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:53.039 damage to your ecosystem, not because of any off court 769 00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.480 issues Jahn Morant might have or his personality. I would 770 00:36:55.519 --> 00:36:57.599 imagine even if that is an issue, which we don't 771 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.039 know that it would be, having Damian Lillard in the 772 00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:05.639 thing is just the panacea for that. This makes zero 773 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.679 sense from a basketball perspective. Yeah, because now the plan 774 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.440 is to start Damian Lillard and John Morant. Per reporting, 775 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.440 that is probably the most flammable backcourt defensively in the NBA. 776 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:21.360 Immediately Damian Lillard coming off in achilles injury and John Morant. 777 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.559 You're also now what you're doing is Damian Lillard could 778 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:26.239 play off the ball. We know it, We've seen it, 779 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.000 will probably see more. I would assume more of it 780 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.199 in Portland. You looked at Denny Avdia's year where he 781 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.440 was fringe all NBA and your offense the driving force 782 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:37.599 was his drives and decided we're gonna put someone alongside 783 00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:39.960 him who makes no sense because they need the ball 784 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:41.960 in his hands. John can't shoot. 785 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:44.599 Is an objectively awful shooter. 786 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.119 He's he's he has only once in his career rated 787 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.639 as an above average catch and shoot shot maker. Yeah 788 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:56.840 once he doesn't And people talk about, well he might 789 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:59.519 be able to cut. He's never cut frequently enough for 790 00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:01.760 it to map for him to provide off ball value. 791 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.960 The other thing grant is that his rim pressure and 792 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.480 free throw attempt rate have both basically been in steady 793 00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.760 declines in two thousand and two, which is a harbinger 794 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:16.039 to me of we're not necessarily waiting on the athletic 795 00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:18.719 decline of John Moran. It's happening, or has already happened. 796 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.599 So what value is he doesn't defend? Isn't going to 797 00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:24.280 get to the basket At the same you also, do 798 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:26.679 you have enough shooting around him for to do that? 799 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:29.559 Isn't going to help you. I already said that defensively. 800 00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:31.559 And if he doesn't do, what he's supposed to do well. 801 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.079 Are you banking on him turning into this great shooteries? 802 00:38:34.280 --> 00:38:36.800 He can be a really prolific passer, but even that 803 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.400 a lot of it was predicated on the stuff he 804 00:38:39.400 --> 00:38:41.559 could do with the ball, getting by guys, wreaking havoc 805 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:43.920 in the paint, and the other the trickle down effect 806 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:47.440 of not just Denny Avdia, what is that you've inherently, 807 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:49.760 even if you don't want them around, you have now 808 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:55.239 made Shade and Sharp and Scoot Henderson specifically less valuable 809 00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:58.320 to you and around the league if you were looking 810 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.039 to move them. I don't know what the plan are 811 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.360 they gonna play five guards at once. They want to 812 00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:06.400 keep Drew Holliday because he's a probably a power forward 813 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:11.360 now on this team. I don't defensively, I understand it's 814 00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.119 easy to look on paper and say Jeremy Grant and 815 00:39:13.199 --> 00:39:16.440 Chris Murray for John Morant. Okay, cool? Like what did 816 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.000 you just do? Get Steve Francis and Stephan Marbury circa 817 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.920 New York? How that Panna Damian like with a better 818 00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:25.079 leader because of Damian Lillard? I just you look, I 819 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.360 see it in the chat bought low on Moran okay, 820 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.760 but just because you can buy low doesn't mean you should. 821 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.719 And this is if this works out well for the Blazers, 822 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:37.079 everybody bookmark this the receipts. You could aggregate it later. 823 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.719 This is gonna be a disaster. This is going to 824 00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:42.000 be an on court disaster. I don't think. I'm not 825 00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:45.119 talking about off court stuff. I don't see the functional 826 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.800 fit whatsoever. And I think for even it to squint 827 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:52.800 and make it work, you gotta start trading multiple bodies, 828 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:55.159 as Scoot doesn't make sense on this team. Shade and 829 00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:56.840 Sharp no longer makes sense on this And if you, 830 00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.000 by the way, if they try to play Shade and 831 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:02.320 Sharp Damian Lower and joh Moran together at any point, 832 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:04.960 my god, they did. I have to know it before 833 00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:06.119 I throw it back to you. They also did get 834 00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:09.039 a million bucks in cash from Memphis, and that should 835 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.679 cover Mike and Norre's Mike and Norri's salary for nexton. 836 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.519 That was That's what this is all about the whole time. 837 00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.360 That's Tom Dundan didn't want to pay Mike and Norrey 838 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.119 out of pockets. How he traded for John Morant. 839 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:24.239 I think the only the only way this this to me, 840 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.119 I guess defensible, Like I I agree with everything you 841 00:40:29.119 --> 00:40:30.960 said about just the on court fit, and like what 842 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.599 this does to the roster is just why Like I 843 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.119 just don't, I don't get it. The only way you 844 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:39.519 can justify this is I think it's just as an 845 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:44.920 as a pure asset move. I think Morant rehabilitated, healthy, 846 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.920 maybe sort of slowing the decline or reversing it is 847 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:52.559 value is a valuable player, like not someone you should 848 00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.039 be able to get for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray 849 00:40:55.039 --> 00:40:57.559 like that, just you know, there's there's a there is 850 00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.719 a scenario where he is an All Star. Again, I 851 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:04.000 don't think it's going to happen, but just I just 852 00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:08.039 it compromises so much about what you what the Blazers 853 00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.880 had been trying to do, both like both in terms 854 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.599 of like they brought Lillard back like for vibes and like, 855 00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:16.920 oh god, this feels great, Like he's gonna he's gonna 856 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.079 be the adult in the room and right, the defense 857 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.679 is gonna suck. No, note there's that's the only dead certainty. 858 00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:27.119 And what they did more recently with like uncovering Ovdia 859 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.440 as a fringe All NBA guy who needs the ball, 860 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.079 like this gets in the way of that, This gets 861 00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:32.679 in the way of scoots development, this gets in the 862 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.280 way of Sharp's development. Like I just I don't I 863 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.800 don't understand any aspect of this except that, yes, I 864 00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:43.480 you have to concede that someone who is Jahn Morant's 865 00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:46.119 age that has done what he's done should not be 866 00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:50.119 gettable for Jeremy Grant and Chris Murray. So you just 867 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:52.280 do that and you hope everything else just sort of 868 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.480 sorts itself out, like may you know, like maybe okay, 869 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.360 if Scoots any good, we'll prove it. Man, Like, now 870 00:41:58.400 --> 00:41:59.920 it's gonna be tough. You've had a couple of years 871 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.519 where we sort of put things on a t for 872 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:03.639 you and you didn't really seize the moment. Shade and 873 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.599 Sharp prove it, and if you don't, maybe we move you. 874 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:08.880 Like I I guess that's just like, if you want 875 00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:10.559 to be really harsh about it, that could be the 876 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:13.480 Blazer's intention is just let's let these guys compete in camp, 877 00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.519 and the rotation will be what it is, and somebody's 878 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.320 gonna be on several somebodies will be unhappy. But I 879 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.039 just I just think that all the downsides you outlined, 880 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.079 are just they're so pronounced like, I just I don't 881 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:29.159 know the d the upside, let's talk about that. The 882 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.679 upside here is is what like Geomran, it's really great 883 00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.280 and he's still in the way of Ovidia and still 884 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:40.599 can't shoot and still can't defend, And I just I 885 00:42:40.599 --> 00:42:42.519 don't know. This is one of those ones where I 886 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.679 feel so strongly about it that I'm looking for any 887 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.760 explanation to to sort of soften what, you know, my 888 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.360 opinion on how bad of a move it is? Yeah, weird, 889 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:55.400 how weird and ill fitting it seems. 890 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.920 Right, weird weird nail fitting is the perfect way to 891 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:01.119 describe it. And Baale trans sixteen says when the Grizzlies 892 00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:02.880 got a new coach from Rant was used differently. Are 893 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.960 we referring to when he was pouting about being. 894 00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:07.559 Of the two coaches that he got fired or you're 895 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.119 referring to. 896 00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:11.719 Right, that's the that's wry. And I so I'm open 897 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:13.800 to the idea that a change of scenery. I don't 898 00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:15.840 think John Morant is gonna come in here thinking it's 899 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:18.559 his team. Denny Afia is their best player right now, 900 00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.400 and this is Damian. It's not Damian Liller's team. It's 901 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:24.480 his freaking city organization. Yeah, it's his organization. Well, we'll 902 00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:26.480 have to check with Tom Dundan on that one. Who knows. 903 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:29.960 So I the other thing that you've done now too, 904 00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.199 You've made it harder to renegotiate and extend Denniafia next 905 00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.280 year because you took on I think like eight million 906 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.039 bucks in money for twenty seven twenty eight. And now 907 00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.440 you and I I think we share the same thoughts 908 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.679 on renegotiates and extend and so just build up goodwill 909 00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.679 with the player and pay them. I'm not like typically 910 00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.000 in favor. Now you've just taken to take that option 911 00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.400 off the table is wild to me. I do like 912 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.039 in theory and this will get into another move. So 913 00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:59.719 rob Williams three years and forty four million, if jaw 914 00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:05.239 is jaw, he is a very interesting partner for John 915 00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:07.119 Moran in transition out of the pick and roll. He 916 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:08.599 could decision making the middle of the floor in the 917 00:44:08.599 --> 00:44:11.360 way that in ways that Donovan Clington can't. And actually 918 00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:15.760 one of my worries now is like are they gonna 919 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.760 be in this weird? Is there a chance like Robert 920 00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:20.719 Williams the third makes more sense for this roster than 921 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:23.400 Donovan Klingon. Now, who donovd Klingon is the superior player. 922 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.519 But when you're looking at the personnel, I mean, there might. 923 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.199 Be situations where you want what you're talking about offensively 924 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.119 from Williams. But I would assume Clingon will improve again. Uh, 925 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.880 and you know, on balance, No, I don't. I don't 926 00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:41.559 think so. It is the you're you're highlighting an issue, 927 00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.599 like the Blazers have a lot of good and or 928 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.719 interesting and or promising players tomorrow, Like. 929 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:50.320 Do we even mention his name yet? No? 930 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:53.039 We have, like they just they there's a lot going 931 00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.039 on here. I mean, this will be one of the 932 00:44:55.079 --> 00:45:00.280 most I don't know, I just I'm I'm most I'm 933 00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:04.199 really really interested to see how this team's gonna play, 934 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.920 what their rotations look like, and maybe this all just 935 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.039 gets sorted out and they shake up the roster further 936 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.960 before this offseason's over, and then we don't. It doesn't 937 00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.760 seem quite as strange and thrown together. But at the moment, 938 00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:21.239 it's just I'm fascinated by what the Blazers think they're 939 00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:21.679 going to do. 940 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.960 Uh, dude, is there? I mean, you I think what 941 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.360 I'm struggling with so much for this before we move 942 00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:31.280 on is I tried to think, okay, well, what would 943 00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.199 they need for me to feel good about making it work? 944 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.280 And the problem is, the thing I keep getting caught 945 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:39.719 up on is that no, like Joa Moran and Damian Lillard, 946 00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:42.199 I don't know how to game out the rest of 947 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.960 the roster. If we're working our way back from that 948 00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:47.719 and it's not Damian Lillard's fault, I think is pretty scalable. 949 00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:51.320 My instinct would be that one of them needs to 950 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:53.639 come off the bench for it to make any semblance 951 00:45:54.280 --> 00:45:59.199 of sense and emotionally, John Moran and I think even 952 00:45:59.280 --> 00:46:01.159 I mean he's coming back for achilles injury, but as 953 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:04.039 in terms of fit John Morant coming off that like 954 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:05.719 his game at this point might just be yeah, put 955 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.840 him on the ball and try to let him cook offensively. 956 00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:10.679 But when you're looking at how much money he's making 957 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:14.159 versus what Damian Lillard is making, well it should Damien 958 00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.000 and I'm I'm not under the guys that either of 959 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.679 them will come off the bench. But that's the that's 960 00:46:18.719 --> 00:46:20.960 the only it had nothing to me to necessarily do 961 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.000 with personnel, because this I think you could still say 962 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.000 they need shooting on this roster still, but I don't 963 00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.679 look at the personnel and say no, like this is 964 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:31.400 the problem. They need better or different types of personnel 965 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:34.039 to make John Rant and Damian Lillard work. My whole 966 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.559 thing is, I just don't think those two should be 967 00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.639 play forget starting like they they shouldn't be closing games together. 968 00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.679 Their minutes should be staggered beyond reason. And I don't know, 969 00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:45.840 I guess it does it help if you think both 970 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.320 of them are gonna play kind of smaller type roles 971 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.840 where neither of them are gonna play thirty minutes a game. 972 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.199 I don't know. 973 00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.239 Moran's the type of player you just can't play in 974 00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.760 a small role, like because of all the deficiencies you 975 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.079 listed like that no defense and no shooting and then no, 976 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:01.960 you know, just if he's not on the ball, high usage, 977 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.719 like center of everything, he's not a good player. And 978 00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:06.440 he hasn't been a good player in that role the 979 00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.480 last couple of years or able to play that role 980 00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:10.039 the last couple of years because he's not been healthy 981 00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.159 or he's been suspended. So we should move on. I 982 00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.360 think it's pretty clear like where we went here. 983 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:15.719 I have to ask you this, I have to do that. 984 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.400 Who's more likely to be on the I'm gonna set 985 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.760 the over under at point five of Shane Sharp and 986 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:24.639 Scoot Henderson still being on the Blazer's roster open the season. 987 00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:26.519 Are you taking the over the under? 988 00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:31.679 Uh? Over? Because that way, all I have to get 989 00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:33.159 is one of them still there and I win. 990 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:37.840 So I must have framed it wrong. Do you think 991 00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.400 one of them? Do you think both of them will 992 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:40.320 be off the right? 993 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:42.039 I kind of do. I kind of do, because if 994 00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:43.880 you're willing to trade for Ja Moran and Adam to 995 00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:46.519 this roster, you're unhinged enough to just go into the 996 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:47.760 season with all these guys there. 997 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:49.719 The only thing I'm gonna say on that then, is 998 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.719 you need to play the like it needs to be. Drew, 999 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.639 Shane Sharp, Scoot Dame and Ja Moran need to play 1000 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.360 together for at least a few We need to see it. 1001 00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:59.480 If you're gonna have all those guys on the same team, 1002 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.880 where did you want to go next? We're kind of 1003 00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:03.360 in free for all mode now, unless. 1004 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.679 Yeah, let's see what's our What are other? Uh do 1005 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:06.920 we do? 1006 00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:07.440 Lebron? 1007 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:10.639 Oh? Yeah, we should probably talk about that. So he 1008 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.800 told the Lakers, I will not be back, thank you 1009 00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.800 very much, which to me was just kind of the 1010 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:23.239 next logical step in the dissolution that's been happening since 1011 00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:27.000 the Luca trade and was accelerated by the no extension 1012 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.639 offer last offseason and now just here we are. This 1013 00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:33.559 had a little bit of a like you can't fire me. 1014 00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:36.840 I quit vibe to it because it was pretty obvious 1015 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:40.360 that the Lakers were not prioritizing him, And I think 1016 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:42.719 that's probably got to be a pretty severe ego hit 1017 00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:44.679 to a player that's like kind of had zero ego 1018 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:51.840 hits throughout his career. So there's that. And like I 1019 00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:54.639 we talked on a previous pod just about how I'm 1020 00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.440 all I'm here for the Warriors just getting him, and 1021 00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.840 the Anthony Davis thing now seems pretty high in the sky. 1022 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.800 I think it was Mark Spears had reporting that, like 1023 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.320 the Wizards are like cool plans, guys, we're not trading 1024 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:10.559 Anthony Davis, Like you can't make us. 1025 00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:12.840 It was framed as a dream too, and was that 1026 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:15.239 the shortest lived dream ever? Because we heard about it 1027 00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:18.079 on Monday and it was dead by Tuesday. 1028 00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:22.000 I dreamed, I dreamed that dream hard for eighteen hours 1029 00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:26.800 or whatever or whatever it was. I I do, I 1030 00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:33.320 do think the Warriors are a real possibility, you know, 1031 00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:37.440 just for all the reasons we've discussed, like he could 1032 00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:41.320 play he well, let's focus on this. Wasn't the wording 1033 00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:44.760 from Lebron's side that he wanted to play meaningful. 1034 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:48.280 Basketball, meaningful, competitive basketball. 1035 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.199 Those are the exact words that the Warriors and Steph 1036 00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.000 have used to describe what they want, like, meaningful basketball 1037 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.239 is a thing Kerr and Curry have said verbatim several 1038 00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:01.679 times over the last last year. So I'm just connecting 1039 00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:02.559 dots over here. 1040 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:06.039 Bud, that would be That would be a fun bread 1041 00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.440 crumb if that ends up happening. 1042 00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:11.599 But here's the thing. I've never heard anybody say meaningful 1043 00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:14.480 basketball before the Warriors started talking about it last year, 1044 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.119 as they're like right off into the sunset goal mother mantra, 1045 00:50:18.440 --> 00:50:21.280 and now Lebron's just happening to say meaning or I 1046 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.719 guess Rich Paul probably want to say it, but I don't. 1047 00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:28.320 Meaningful, meaningful would be open to interpretation, but competitive implies contention, 1048 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:31.360 which is also him kind of flaming the Lakers. 1049 00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:34.719 No, that is that that's true too. Which is just 1050 00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:37.159 wrong because there's every chance the Lakers could be really 1051 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:37.920 good next year. 1052 00:50:38.000 --> 00:50:40.719 But it's just what I will The one thing I 1053 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.639 will say is if you come I didn't know about 1054 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:46.559 the Warriors, breadcrumb, and I'm not saying they wouldn't be good. 1055 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.639 But if you come out and say I want to 1056 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:52.280 play meaningful, competitive basketball, and the answer to that is 1057 00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.920 signing with a team that has exclusively over the age 1058 00:50:55.920 --> 00:50:58.519 of thirty five players or you're going to play for 1059 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.840 James Harden's team, I have questions. 1060 00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:05.119 Right. Well, well, then we circle back to the he uh. 1061 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:07.840 I guess it was Windhorse or somebody said it's not 1062 00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:11.639 about money, it's about happiness. And then then you. 1063 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:15.039 Can also the report he will consider any team. I 1064 00:51:15.039 --> 00:51:17.480 imagine that exempts the Kings, I take. 1065 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:19.519 I take a little bit of issue with that. I 1066 00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:21.039 don't think he's going on a wa I want to 1067 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.920 play with a D go to the Wizards, proven man, 1068 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:27.559 let's see it. Uh. I think the Warriors are realistic. 1069 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.400 I think the Calves are realistic. I don't know if 1070 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.480 I would extend that to Miami because because in both 1071 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.880 like the Warriors can give him the mid level and 1072 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:38.920 I would imagine that that is a little bit of 1073 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:41.199 a priority, Like does he want to play for the minimum? 1074 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.519 I know he's got all the money he could ever spend, 1075 00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:47.199 but like that, that's one of those things where I 1076 00:51:47.519 --> 00:51:49.920 don't know, let me ask you because I'm rambling and 1077 00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.079 I'm I'm admittedly like, I'm not going to be rational 1078 00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:56.960 about this. If you're handicapping it, just who's the favorite 1079 00:51:57.280 --> 00:51:58.239 in your mind right now? 1080 00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:03.360 Oh well, now that you said the meaningful breadcrumb, I 1081 00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:07.800 think it's the Warriors. So the problem with the Calves 1082 00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:11.280 right now, we're not working with the mid level. And 1083 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:15.639 I wanted to stick on this like rumor tidbit from 1084 00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:18.280 Brian Windhorst for a minute. He mentioned he had the 1085 00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:22.599 mic drop on ESPN about what if Lebron and Jalen 1086 00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:26.480 Brown both end up in Cleveland and that, I mean 1087 00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.719 the sheer machinations of that happening. So without James Harden 1088 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.519 on the books right now, like James Harden's zero, So 1089 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.559 he opted out of the mutual option that they had. 1090 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:42.440 They have twenty they because if you're getting Jalen brewn 1091 00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:46.800 or if you're giving Lebron the non tax mle, you're 1092 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:49.079 hard capped. At the first Apron. If you're taking more 1093 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.920 money back into trade, you're hard kepped. At the first Apron. 1094 00:52:52.199 --> 00:52:55.840 They have twenty five million dollars in first Apron room 1095 00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:58.679 without James Harden. So if you were to trade for 1096 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.480 Jalen Brown while resigning James Harden and then signing Lebron James, 1097 00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.760 we're talking about like, that's one hundred million dollars basically, 1098 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:11.519 so you need to do that while clearing money, and 1099 00:53:11.559 --> 00:53:14.119 even if Lebron is willing to accept the minimum. So 1100 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.400 let's just say Bron's wanting to accept the minimum. So 1101 00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:20.199 now you're like hard kept. Let's say you could be 1102 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:22.920 hard kept at the second Apron. I don't I just 1103 00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:26.840 what are the machinations of that look looked like? Because 1104 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.360 they are. So there's second Apron room again, No James 1105 00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:33.159 Harden a little bit under forty million bucks about thirty 1106 00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:36.840 five plus million dollars. I just so mobile goes out. 1107 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:40.079 But you basically need to when you're factoring James Harden's 1108 00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.480 is he taking a huge discount? Is that's how because 1109 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:45.679 James Harden and I don't this isn't pejorative for my end. 1110 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.000 He's never struck me as someone who would take any 1111 00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:51.119 less than he needs to. He wants to lock up 1112 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.280 as much long term money as possible, and he's certainly 1113 00:53:53.360 --> 00:53:55.880 not gonna believe a front office that tells him we'll 1114 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:57.880 take care of you on the back end, because Darryl 1115 00:53:57.920 --> 00:53:58.760 Morey is a liar. 1116 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:04.440 Yeah, who hurts you, James? Sorry, buddy, Yeah, I don't 1117 00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:05.039 see that one. 1118 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:08.400 Would you trade though, Evan Mobley for Jalen Brown is 1119 00:54:08.400 --> 00:54:09.880 the question that's like, well. 1120 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:12.679 We we wouldn't trade him for Giannis, right, isn't that 1121 00:54:12.679 --> 00:54:15.280 where we landed? So can you trade him for Jalen Brown? 1122 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.400 Is Jalen Brown a better value than Yannis? 1123 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.800 Well? What if it means Lebron is coming? What if that's. 1124 00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.679 The Paul George situation? 1125 00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:29.480 Evin Mobley and stuff for Jalen Brown and Lebron? James, Basically, 1126 00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:33.320 I might, I might? 1127 00:54:34.280 --> 00:54:37.320 I think. So then you're what you're looking at is 1128 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.280 hardened back in this hypothetical. So it's like Harden Mitchell, 1129 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.400 Jalen Brown, Lebron and Jared Allen. 1130 00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.599 Yeah no, Dean. 1131 00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:48.039 Wade, No, Dean Wade. Sorry, you know you don't get 1132 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:51.920 him back at the very least that gets you. Yeah, 1133 00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.760 ke On ellis is gone, he's paid now, he's got 1134 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.360 a mutual option, he's living living life. 1135 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:57.559 Mutual auditions. 1136 00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:02.119 They're in the same common station Toronto is now or 1137 00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:03.840 maybe they. But the thing is maybe they already are, 1138 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.719 you know as like, yeah they could, you know, they could, 1139 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.280 they could go on a run, they could be I 1140 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:12.480 do think it's a little harder. That's a harder self 1141 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:14.400 for Cleveland because this core has kind of been there 1142 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.079 for a little bit and just they haven't put it together. 1143 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:21.880 So there's some case to be made for like, well 1144 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:24.239 we changed it a little bit, like maybe we're not 1145 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.280 better on like on balance, but we're different and that's enough, 1146 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.280 you know, a little bit of the knicks like Thibodeau 1147 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:33.719 to Mike Brown theory, which paid off big time. Yeah, 1148 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.239 I don't know, I would think about it. I might 1149 00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:38.000 just want to hold Onto mobile because he's kind of 1150 00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:40.760 your ticket out of like if and when I wouldn't 1151 00:55:40.760 --> 00:55:42.119 do it. 1152 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:44.920 I could. I'm sorry. Lebron and Jalen Brown and James 1153 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.000 Hard and Don Mitchell is just too much of a 1154 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.159 combustible cocktail in so many different ways for me. 1155 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:52.639 Your shooting's pretty bad too. I mean, I like Brown, 1156 00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:58.480 your window two years back, yesterday, it might have just closed. 1157 00:56:00.039 --> 00:56:01.800 So that's the thing with the Warriors, is like their 1158 00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:04.239 windows already closed and this is just for fun. So 1159 00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.360 so like the stakes are so low. 1160 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:09.840 I think the Warriors should probably be viewed as the 1161 00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.480 favorites at this point, because I don't think I can't 1162 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:14.719 see Lebron signing for the minimum, which is basically what 1163 00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:16.079 it would take to get him back in Cleveland. At 1164 00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.039 this point, maybe they could game it with the mini 1165 00:56:18.119 --> 00:56:20.559 MLA's they need to shed salary if they want to 1166 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:23.119 give him the tax MLA. And that just seems like, 1167 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.480 who are you just dumping Max Struce so that you 1168 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.719 could replace him with Lebron. I guess in theory that's 1169 00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.280 a fine proposition to make, and we don't know how 1170 00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.719 much less James Harden's willing to take. I'm all in 1171 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:35.079 on the Warriors now, mostly because of what you said 1172 00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:37.199 about the breadcrumbs, but I did want to ask you, 1173 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.039 let's remove the Cavaliers and the Warriors from the equation. 1174 00:56:41.480 --> 00:56:44.320 Let's also let's even remove money from the equation and 1175 00:56:44.320 --> 00:56:47.760 take Lebron at his or Rich Paul's word, where money 1176 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.679 isn't important. He just wants to win. A title. Where 1177 00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:55.719 should he sign next year? None, can't be Oklahoma City 1178 00:56:55.840 --> 00:56:57.360 just because that's not happened. They wouldn't do it. 1179 00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.719 Great, there's one answer, it's the Spur. 1180 00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:01.079 There's two. 1181 00:57:01.719 --> 00:57:07.239 What's the Knicks? Yeah, can fit him? 1182 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:08.920 Well? No, I said Money's it would have to be 1183 00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.480 a minimum, So money is not like which the Spurs 1184 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:15.199 would have the mid level, which is why they are 1185 00:57:15.199 --> 00:57:17.480 more interesting is they could give him the mid level. 1186 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:20.360 I mean, but would you Let's okay, you get Lebron, 1187 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:25.360 but you have to you have to erase Modio Wara's 1188 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:27.679 new deal from existence. Are you doing it? 1189 00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:36.559 No, He's just like Evan Mobley as Cleveland's out right, and. 1190 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.480 He's on a way cheaper deal than Mobiley, So in 1191 00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:40.880 a lot of ways, he's the superior asset. Let's just 1192 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:41.559 leave it there. 1193 00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:44.119 I don't think he could bring himself to go to 1194 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.320 the team that just won the title. But I actually 1195 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:50.800 think that that makes in terms of like having a 1196 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.000 problem if if you threw the money is the problem. 1197 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.800 But in terms of role and title shot, I actually 1198 00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:57.639 think the Knicks are the best fit because they still 1199 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.239 don't necessarily have a traditional second best ball hand learn 1200 00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:03.400 in San Antonio. You're trying to get reps for Fox 1201 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.119 and Dylan Harper and Stephan Castle. 1202 00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.920 He's like he's spotted up in the corner a lot 1203 00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.559 in San Antonio in my mind, and that's not necessarily 1204 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.360 the best use use of him. But I mean I 1205 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.760 would I'd be okay with what I'd be I'd be interested. 1206 00:58:16.880 --> 00:58:19.000 I'd like to see how that looked. Maybe he would 1207 00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:21.800 figure out. Maybe he'd be the one to tell women, Yama, 1208 00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.119 here's what you should do on offense. That could be interesting. 1209 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:26.840 Uh. And by the way, this is another Summer mentioned 1210 00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.239 that Chad is Lebron holding up free agency again. 1211 00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.440 Well, yeah, he is right, because it's like he knows 1212 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.719 what his options are at this point. It's just it 1213 00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:39.519 does feel like because I'm impatient and I just want 1214 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:41.440 him to be on Golden State now so I can 1215 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:45.159 started talking myself into it and enjoying it, Like I 1216 00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:47.320 think this is gonna drag out? Doesn't it feel like? 1217 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:47.559 This is? 1218 00:58:47.880 --> 00:58:49.519 Like? Why is this over already? 1219 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:52.760 If he breaks, I don't have July fourth plans because 1220 00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.320 I have reactive dogs and so we're I'm on like 1221 00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.519 fireworks duty. But if he does the if he will 1222 00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.599 be in the bunker. If he does the jely, I 1223 00:59:01.599 --> 00:59:04.000 ain't gonna be happy. I'm not gonna be like this 1224 00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:08.760 is I I'll allow it if he goes somewhere where 1225 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.760 it was purely like it's it's sick. Oh shit, where 1226 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.239 did he just go to Minnesota? Oh he's in Detroit, 1227 00:59:14.639 --> 00:59:17.239 that Lebron. You're allowed to sign whenever you want, if 1228 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.480 you go to a detent, if it's Golden State, if 1229 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.440 it's San Antonio, if it's Cleveland, even if it's my Knicks. 1230 00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.000 I don't want to hear it. You needs to happen 1231 00:59:25.079 --> 00:59:27.679 before I'm in the bunker, or needs to happen after. 1232 00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:31.000 So I really wish he's not going to But I 1233 00:59:31.039 --> 00:59:32.960 wish that he would go to just one of the 1234 00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:35.199 off the beaten path team. 1235 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:36.159 It would be Actually don't know. 1236 00:59:36.519 --> 00:59:38.800 I don't know how much sense Minnesota makes because I 1237 00:59:38.800 --> 00:59:41.360 think that he might murder one of Rudy Gobert, LaMelo 1238 00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.840 or Anthony Edwards. But Detroit, my god, that's that's a 1239 00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:48.480 perfect thing. Or just Denver to see the basketball IQ 1240 00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:49.400 with him and Jokic. 1241 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:52.079 I'm just annoyed. You don't want me to be happy. 1242 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:54.679 There's only one. It's just the Warriors, and let's get 1243 00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:56.719 it done and move on. That's that's all. That's the 1244 00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:57.079 only thing. 1245 00:59:57.360 --> 00:59:59.159 Okay, if it's not the Warriors, give me a team 1246 00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.079 that you Yeah, I already said the Spurs. 1247 01:00:02.239 --> 01:00:04.719 I I'm easy, I'm simple that way. 1248 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:08.960 I'm gonna say. I wanted to beat Detroit or Minnesota 1249 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:13.320 if there, if there was an off the beaten path team, Yeah, 1250 01:00:13.400 --> 01:00:18.559 Charlotte probably, I think that's yeah, Yeah, there don't sleep 1251 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:21.079 on them, you want to do I guess they're kind 1252 01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:22.559 of in like the lightning round here. 1253 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:25.159 Is there anything other? Well, we should probably hit on 1254 01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:29.400 the non transactions of of Duran and Kessler. 1255 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:32.920 Just that's getting a little awkward. 1256 01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:38.079 Yeah. So Mark Spears had the quote, I tweeted, the 1257 01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:40.679 Detroit Pistons have offered what the franchise believes is the 1258 01:00:40.679 --> 01:00:43.440 most lucrative contract possible for their all star restricted free 1259 01:00:43.480 --> 01:00:46.159 agent Jalen Duran. That's worded kind of funny. It's what 1260 01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.960 they believe is the most that they're actual Max is 1261 01:00:49.159 --> 01:00:52.039 involved here, that's not what they believe. Uh, they are 1262 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.239 not interested in any sign and trade deals and will 1263 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.719 match any potential offer sheet he signs. Yeah, that's how 1264 01:00:57.719 --> 01:01:00.800 this was always gonna end, Like that's what restricts agents does. 1265 01:01:01.800 --> 01:01:04.400 So like all this like, oh they're taking meetings, cool, 1266 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:08.400 do you understand what matching rights are? Like, Okay, sign 1267 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:11.480 him mystery teams? Same thing with Walker Kessler. 1268 01:01:11.199 --> 01:01:15.639 The Pacers for Lebron, I sure, great, Poul Robert great Pool. 1269 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:19.840 Uh, Like I don't so so I guess I'm I 1270 01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:21.840 don't think there's a lot to discuss here with either 1271 01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.280 Kessler or Duran. We're talking Durhan now, but it's like, yeah, 1272 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:28.400 this was this, this is what was gonna happen. They 1273 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.119 all they ever had to do was be ready to 1274 01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.400 pay the most another team could pay, which is like 1275 01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.400 four and one seventy something, right or one eighty something. 1276 01:01:36.920 --> 01:01:39.679 That's all it was ever gonna cost at most, And 1277 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.920 until that offer comes in, they can continue to hope 1278 01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:44.960 it's gonna be even less than that. Like there's just 1279 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:46.599 it's not it's not it's four. 1280 01:01:47.119 --> 01:01:50.280 Yeah, I don't who's more. I think Duran's more likely 1281 01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.880 to get the four for one seventy seven point three 1282 01:01:53.400 --> 01:01:56.480 from a team. Yeah, the Lakers. The Lakers are looming 1283 01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:58.920 out there, like the Nets could still use a big 1284 01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.119 a little bit, right, Like they have Dayron Sharp, but 1285 01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:05.159 that's it. Chicago is probably out of it because they 1286 01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:05.960 do have Claxton. 1287 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:09.960 Yeah, there's That's the other thing is there's not like this, 1288 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:12.599 there's the line isn't around the block for either of 1289 01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:16.280 these guys. There's like two teams that are actual possibilities. 1290 01:02:16.559 --> 01:02:19.199 Do you think Detroit is being shortsighted by refusing to 1291 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:23.960 engage in sign and trade discussions? Probably not. They did. 1292 01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:26.239 They did cost themselves, I will say a little bit 1293 01:02:26.280 --> 01:02:29.679 of leverage by trading Isaiah Stewart because they kind of 1294 01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:32.880 I guess they meant to telegraph, oh, we're gonna match 1295 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:36.360 whatever offer, and maybe it was meant to scare away teams. 1296 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.800 But also they're now in a position to where it's, well, 1297 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.559 you better hope, like if you don't want to pay 1298 01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.639 him the four years, if that's not what they're offers for, 1299 01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:45.639 if they haven't given him four years one hundred and 1300 01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:48.000 seventy seven point three, you're kind of like, we better 1301 01:02:48.159 --> 01:02:50.039 you have to match it if he does get it, 1302 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:52.760 because what your alternative is Paul Reid and hopes and dreams. 1303 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:58.719 Yeah no, I mean, so the obvious downside here that 1304 01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:00.920 gets cited all the time and situations like this, Oh, 1305 01:03:00.920 --> 01:03:03.360 you're pissing them off, like you're you're you're ruining this 1306 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:07.719 relationship by not just lavishing him with two hundred you know, 1307 01:03:07.920 --> 01:03:11.079 like seventy million dollars or eighty million dollars more than 1308 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.159 any other team could pay him. You're not You're not 1309 01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.800 taking care of your guys, Like that's going to cause resentment. No, 1310 01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:18.960 it's not like everybody understands how restricted free agency works. 1311 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.639 Nobody's ever been pissed off to get one hundred and 1312 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:24.960 seventy seven million dollars, which especially if you know that 1313 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.320 no one else could have given you more. And instead 1314 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.880 of like being boxed into some like made up sign 1315 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.039 and trade scenario if there's other teams that want him, 1316 01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:36.280 sign him to the deal and trade him later, like 1317 01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.760 if that's his market value, which would like, if he 1318 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.639 signs an offer sheet, his market value has just been established, 1319 01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.719 so match it and then move him when you feel 1320 01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.280 like you need to. I don't know it's an oversimplification, 1321 01:03:48.360 --> 01:03:51.559 but I just like restricted free agency is incredibly powerful 1322 01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:53.480 and team friendly, and it's not weird to me at 1323 01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:55.840 all that the Jazz and the Pistons are doing things 1324 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:56.239 this way. 1325 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:58.719 I don't think it's weird they're doing it this way, 1326 01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:02.840 but it shouldn't there is it feels as if something 1327 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.400 weird is going on in Detroit because of what they've 1328 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:09.079 already done. Isaiah Stewart's gone. God, not really why. 1329 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:11.639 I mean, I think like you, I guess you could 1330 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:15.360 look at the Stewart stuff as like, well, it's a 1331 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.880 leverage play one way or the other. But isn't it 1332 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.559 just as likely that they decided, well, we know we're 1333 01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:23.079 going to get durned back because we have the matching rights, 1334 01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.440 and we'd rather have a good shooter basically filling in 1335 01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:29.519 that roster slot for less money. And you know, it 1336 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.559 was two seconds coming in, two seconds going out. We 1337 01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:34.000 turned Stewart into Isaiah Joe. 1338 01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.920 And you know, now you're operating under the assumption that 1339 01:04:37.039 --> 01:04:39.840 all you needed to do this offseason was go from 1340 01:04:39.880 --> 01:04:41.239 Isaiah Stewart to Isaiah Joe. 1341 01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.079 Is my point, not necessarily because you can still make 1342 01:04:44.119 --> 01:04:44.800 another trade. 1343 01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:47.679 But that's my point is that this holds up. This 1344 01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:49.760 is holding up the Tobias Harris. Is he going to 1345 01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:51.960 get signed by someone else? The reports that he's not 1346 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:54.639 going to be back. He was important to them last year, 1347 01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.519 so Again, I'm not saying that they need to rush 1348 01:04:56.599 --> 01:04:59.760 into anything, but I just find that if there was 1349 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:03.320 this disconnect between them and Jail and Duran, it's this 1350 01:05:03.519 --> 01:05:06.280 is holding up other business for them. And I would argue, 1351 01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.119 even if they've resigned Jalen Duran right now, if the 1352 01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:12.280 moves like resigning Kevin hurd Er, getting Isaiah Jones, keeping 1353 01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:15.280 Jail on Duran, if that's the and losing beefs to like, 1354 01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:17.719 if that's the meat and potatoes of your off season, 1355 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:21.000 I don't think that's a good off season for the 1356 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:22.599 the Pistons had and for what they needed. 1357 01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:25.400 That would be disappointing. I just I guess I don't 1358 01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:30.960 see Duran the Durhaan thing as precluding the type of 1359 01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:33.800 the Michael Porter Junior trade or whatever, because can't they 1360 01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:37.480 still with Duncan Robinson and some other matching salary just 1361 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:39.239 get to what it would take and throw the picks 1362 01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:42.079 in there to go get Porter Junior, who whatever, Trey 1363 01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:44.639 Murphy what not that they can necessarily get those guys, 1364 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:48.559 But like, what what what is? Why is Duran's restrict 1365 01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:50.599 your free agency getting in the way of that type 1366 01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:51.480 of move being made. 1367 01:05:52.800 --> 01:05:54.599 You need to know so the number isn't going to 1368 01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:57.519 impact your transactions now because of his cap hold, like 1369 01:05:57.599 --> 01:05:59.800 that could be what you're working with. But you do 1370 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.239 to kind of understand, well, what is your salary structure 1371 01:06:02.280 --> 01:06:05.039 going to be after the fact, like once then when 1372 01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.599 you're actually looking at the full freight of the roster 1373 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.239 with Jalen during at forty something million dollars a year 1374 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:10.639 or whatever. 1375 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.039 Yeah not I but if you think you can move 1376 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:15.960 Joe or Hurder or whoever else so these mid tier 1377 01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:18.320 salaries they've got, or you turn a star Thompson into 1378 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:19.920 something else, there are good there will be ways to 1379 01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.840 kind of get if you're worried about aprons, I guess 1380 01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:25.039 there there'll be ways to to get things, how you know, 1381 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:28.199 more snugly fit into the payroll band you want to 1382 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.920 be in. I think I don't know. I guess I'm 1383 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.880 not seeing I take your point that it feels well. 1384 01:06:34.920 --> 01:06:36.920 What we definitely agree on is like you can't just 1385 01:06:36.960 --> 01:06:39.599 bring Herder back and sign Joe and think you've done enough, 1386 01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:40.760 right like that that is it. 1387 01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:43.639 Is it's objectively funny that Kevin Herder is just the 1388 01:06:43.679 --> 01:06:45.559 second move that they made of the offseason. 1389 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:47.760 Was what did you think about that because because my 1390 01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.480 immediate reaction was like, oh my god, why did anybody 1391 01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:52.320 who was giving him nine a year? 1392 01:06:52.760 --> 01:06:55.599 But then I need to see if like is there 1393 01:06:55.719 --> 01:06:58.079 are the final two years non guaranteed? Those details still 1394 01:06:58.079 --> 01:07:00.239 don't seem to like if that's a fully guaranteed eel, 1395 01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:02.760 that's curious at best. 1396 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.079 So, you know, I was he hasn't been above the 1397 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:08.920 league average from three since like twenty twenty two. 1398 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:11.480 Like he doesn't like the beam season, right. 1399 01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:16.519 Yeah, so like he was hurt I think in the playoffs, 1400 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:18.599 and that's part of the reason he didn't play very much. 1401 01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:21.000 But like, boy, the Pistons better be real sure that 1402 01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:23.559 that was it and the past. The fact that he 1403 01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:25.920 hasn't been a great shooter over the last several seasons 1404 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.400 is like, I don't know how you could convince yourself 1405 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:28.760 of that. 1406 01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:33.079 The so quickly. On the Walker Kestler front, what I 1407 01:07:33.119 --> 01:07:36.079 find interesting is that Tony Jones of The Athletic reports 1408 01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:40.280 that he has multiple thirty plus million dollar offers. One 1409 01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:42.679 I'm not really sure what, like how far apart of 1410 01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:45.639 didn't the Jazz offer him four and one forty or 1411 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:47.920 was it five and one forty? Was it five. 1412 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:52.719 Now I can't remember. I think it was. I'm not sure. 1413 01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.199 I know it was one forty, but I couldn't tell 1414 01:07:54.199 --> 01:07:56.199 you if it was if it was uh four or 1415 01:07:56.199 --> 01:07:57.000 five years. 1416 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.880 So like, because if it if it's five and one, 1417 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.199 even if it was five and one forty, what are 1418 01:08:02.199 --> 01:08:05.079 they two million dollars a year apart? Basically it feels 1419 01:08:05.119 --> 01:08:06.760 like a kind of a weird line to draw. But 1420 01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.159 my actual five all right, it's five and one forty, 1421 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:12.639 So that makes that does make uh what you like 1422 01:08:12.679 --> 01:08:16.039 jazz as four for one twenty, which is the same 1423 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:19.800 thing as five for all close to I might My 1424 01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:22.840 thing is if you're paying a big this year, So 1425 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.279 if we're like, who would you rather pay that type 1426 01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.960 of money to jail on Duran or Walker Kessler? 1427 01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:34.399 So if I could get Kessler, let's take four for 1428 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:38.279 one twenty. I think I would rather do that than 1429 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.520 four for one seventy seven for Duran. And I feel, yeah, 1430 01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.319 I don't think I would definitely rather give Kesler four 1431 01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:49.600 one twenty than Duran four one seventy seven. I think, 1432 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:54.039 particularly like if I'm for the Lakers, because I think 1433 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.039 it's just you could make that. I mean, Duran's been 1434 01:08:57.079 --> 01:09:00.119 made an All NBA team. Kesler's almost certainly never going 1435 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.079 to do that. But Kessler is a player that you're 1436 01:09:04.119 --> 01:09:06.920 asking to do a couple things exceptionally well, and he's 1437 01:09:06.960 --> 01:09:08.840 proven beyond a shadow of doubt that he can do 1438 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:13.000 those things. Just be your rim protector, block shots, rebound, 1439 01:09:13.159 --> 01:09:16.479 offensive rebound. That's it. We don't need you to expand 1440 01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:21.680 your offensive game to justify a superstar salary. Durren's different, Like, 1441 01:09:21.800 --> 01:09:24.079 part of the theory of Duran is that he he 1442 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:26.479 was for a lot of the year a second option 1443 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.239 on a really good team and maybe could be again, 1444 01:09:29.399 --> 01:09:32.000 Like but blew it in the playoffs. Like I'm just 1445 01:09:32.039 --> 01:09:36.039 more comfortable paying a guy I know exactly what I'm 1446 01:09:36.079 --> 01:09:38.920 gonna get and the role isn't doesn't need to be 1447 01:09:39.079 --> 01:09:42.439 massive in Kessler. What do you Where do you fall 1448 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:42.800 on that? 1449 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:45.720 I think I'm with you the money being what it is. 1450 01:09:45.800 --> 01:09:48.760 But when you're looking at what Kesler is pushing for, 1451 01:09:49.399 --> 01:09:52.319 do you think that Jalen Duran is still the higher 1452 01:09:52.399 --> 01:09:54.640 upside big of the twos where if you had to 1453 01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.760 make let's say you had to make the forty million 1454 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:01.720 dollars a year gamble versus thirty million dollars a year. 1455 01:10:01.880 --> 01:10:05.760 Are you still taking Kessler? There's the bankability there, but 1456 01:10:05.800 --> 01:10:08.039 I don't know what his I hate the word upside 1457 01:10:08.079 --> 01:10:10.239 is so just o. Yeah, he's in ambiguous, but you 1458 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:11.039 get what I'm saying. 1459 01:10:11.359 --> 01:10:13.840 Yeah, No, I'm honest. I'm not comfortable with either of 1460 01:10:13.880 --> 01:10:17.600 them at that at that price point for different reasons. 1461 01:10:17.680 --> 01:10:20.560 I think because Kessler, like you just can't play like 1462 01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:24.399 effectively a good role playing center that kind of money. 1463 01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:27.600 I guess Gobert is kind of the exception, Like I 1464 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.760 just I don't think he's gonna be a four time 1465 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.640 Defensive Player of the Year and and just prove for 1466 01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.199 a decade that he's a defense under himself kind of player. 1467 01:10:36.199 --> 01:10:40.359 Because it's like over the last several years, like Gobert 1468 01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:44.079 is the only guy like that basically of that player type. Duran, 1469 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:48.720 I do you Durran feels a little fool's goldie to me, 1470 01:10:49.119 --> 01:10:52.520 where it's like you can't build a defense around, like 1471 01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:55.800 he's not the reason your defense is good. He doesn't stretch, 1472 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:59.159 he's not switchable, like he's sort of he's kind of 1473 01:10:59.159 --> 01:11:01.560 a different version of the type of like he needs 1474 01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:04.079 the ball to be. I don't know, I just I 1475 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.560 don't think the I don't think he's the type of 1476 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.199 player that you can pay that much money like you 1477 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:12.119 get into like a Sabonus type or something like that, 1478 01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.039 where it's like, my god, you can't. You just can't 1479 01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.520 make him a highly paid core piece of your operation. 1480 01:11:20.279 --> 01:11:20.560 You can. 1481 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:23.720 Again, that's probably too harsh because the Pistons won sixty 1482 01:11:23.720 --> 01:11:25.000 games and he had a ton to do with it. 1483 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:26.439 I don't think it's too harsh when you look at 1484 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.199 what happened in the playoffs. 1485 01:11:28.479 --> 01:11:31.119 That's the thing that that's the most recent thing we saw, 1486 01:11:31.199 --> 01:11:33.720 and that's real scary if you're talking about giving him 1487 01:11:33.840 --> 01:11:35.000 forty million a year. 1488 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:37.800 Right, and it's just the whole point is it? Now? 1489 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.760 He maybe he hasn't had a ton of opportunities, but 1490 01:11:40.239 --> 01:11:42.359 if your offense from the regular season isn't going to 1491 01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:45.800 scale to your offense in the playoffs, that's going to 1492 01:11:45.840 --> 01:11:47.439 be an issue. And it's right now he's going into 1493 01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:51.800 year five. This isn't just some raw prospect anymore. I 1494 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:53.880 think what appeals to me is just someone who we 1495 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:55.800 saw it when Kaide was injured during the regular season. 1496 01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:58.439 We saw it in It wasn't even flickers and flashes 1497 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:01.399 but these just extended stretches. You give me someone who 1498 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:03.880 can sometimes handle the ball like him or just generate 1499 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.079 his own shot with that size is a really big deal. 1500 01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:10.600 But yeah, I would. I am with you in the 1501 01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:12.880 sense that of the money that's being reported, I don't 1502 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:14.560 know what the money needs to get to. Even if 1503 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:17.720 it was a max. If you had to pay one 1504 01:12:17.720 --> 01:12:21.000 of the max money, you might be able to talk 1505 01:12:21.039 --> 01:12:22.279 me into Jalen Duran. 1506 01:12:23.079 --> 01:12:25.439 I think that's really fair. You just can't do it 1507 01:12:25.439 --> 01:12:27.920 for either of them. If Jalen Duran had sprained his 1508 01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.279 ankle on the last day of the regular season and 1509 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.600 not played in the playoffs, would his earning potentially be 1510 01:12:33.640 --> 01:12:36.159 like fifty million dollars higher than it is right now. 1511 01:12:36.359 --> 01:12:39.640 Like if he just hadn't played in the playoffs at all, 1512 01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:42.119 it would dude, he'd be a second team he's all 1513 01:12:42.199 --> 01:12:44.680 NBA player. That all we'd think is that guy was 1514 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:48.279 the second best sixty one team young, he's athletic, he's awesome. 1515 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.800 We would be totally like if not for the postseason, 1516 01:12:52.760 --> 01:12:54.680 he I would be like shocked if he didn't get 1517 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:55.720 two hundred million dollars. 1518 01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:58.439 The other thing that's probably at play here by the 1519 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:02.159 way because you mentioned that number. He was Supermax eligible, 1520 01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:06.399 and you probably don't want to become the first player 1521 01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.520 who's super Max eligible doesn't get a version with a 1522 01:13:09.560 --> 01:13:12.039 fifth year. Like remember Rudy the deal he signed with 1523 01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:13.760 the Jazz was no, he didn't get the super max, 1524 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:16.359 but he got this mega five year deal. And it 1525 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:18.720 seems as if the Pistons, but this is just my 1526 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:21.960 read on the situation, are no, Like there's not even 1527 01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:24.199 a fifth year, and we don't they probably even want 1528 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:25.960 to give him the four year max that another team 1529 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:28.000 could give him. And regular Or says in the head 1530 01:13:28.039 --> 01:13:30.680 teams with team teams with cheap centers have a huge 1531 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.760 advantage I think for the most part when you're dealing 1532 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:36.960 with centers that have these fundamental flaws or limitations. Jale Durham, 1533 01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.399 Walker Kessler both fall into that. When you look at 1534 01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:41.479 what Kesler can do on offense or what Jalen Duran 1535 01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:44.199 can do. Probably I mean I said on offense, I 1536 01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.359 like you, I have concerns about Jalen Dern at both 1537 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:49.159 ends of the floor, and with Walker Kesler, I've become 1538 01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:51.960 very fixated on what does he take away from you 1539 01:13:52.079 --> 01:13:54.439 offensively in certain matchups? And so that I think kind 1540 01:13:54.439 --> 01:13:58.279 of just proves who the more valuable player is at 1541 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:04.199 this point. But it's tough. I want to I do. Yeah, 1542 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.880 I mean by design too. I wanted to ask you 1543 01:14:06.920 --> 01:14:11.760 about christophs Porzingis's deal with the Warriors, two years, forty 1544 01:14:11.800 --> 01:14:14.039 million with a player option. How did you feel about 1545 01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:16.079 where that ended up? How do you feel about that 1546 01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:18.439 price point you mentioned at the was it on air? 1547 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:20.439 Off air? But he could he could be traded immediately 1548 01:14:20.479 --> 01:14:22.760 because the price of the extension of the flexibility is open. 1549 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.279 They rolled over to Jonathan comingus loot to a more 1550 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:25.960 useful player. 1551 01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:29.039 By the way, I'm sorry, who's got a new deal? 1552 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.680 Who's the who's the better asset? 1553 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:35.880 Right here? Here's the number of comments we got when 1554 01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:38.000 we were talk about Jonathan Mminga on our Hawks look 1555 01:14:38.039 --> 01:14:40.600 Ahead were just like, you don't watch like Johnathan Cominga 1556 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.159 is so crucial to this team? Yeah, he was so crucial. 1557 01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:47.199 They declined st option and gave Jock Landelle to. 1558 01:14:46.800 --> 01:14:51.039 Anybody come to me and say you don't watch Jonathan Kaminge. 1559 01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:55.199 Do you know how much YouTube tape I used to crush, Like, 1560 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:59.359 I come, that's the that's the most wrong criticism we've 1561 01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:02.399 ever faced, like by a factor of a thousand. I 1562 01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:06.359 don't watch Jonathan Kaminga. I watched entirely too much Jonathan Kaminga. 1563 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:08.000 That's why I thought he was gonna be so great 1564 01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:09.880 and then thought he was gonna be terrible, and then 1565 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:14.079 did that six hundred times over his entire career. Yeah, 1566 01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:18.239 that's ridiculous. If let me let me to those of 1567 01:15:18.279 --> 01:15:22.039 you who are new to the Jonathan Cominga experience, what 1568 01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:25.520 you watched is it where you get some twenty point 1569 01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:27.960 games and you think he's incredible and then you realize, oh, 1570 01:15:27.960 --> 01:15:30.239 he's actually not a helpful player and doesn't fit on 1571 01:15:30.279 --> 01:15:33.279 a winning team that plays the right way. So that's 1572 01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:37.880 where we are. Porzingis structured as an extension, so he's 1573 01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:44.880 immediately tradable. Yeah, twenty. I was kind of hoping more 1574 01:15:44.920 --> 01:15:48.880 towards like fifteen. But what's five million dollars? I guess 1575 01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:54.079 you had talked me into. Well, let's let's pump his 1576 01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:57.920 number up. Make it a one year deal. Swapping for 1577 01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:00.600 Anthony Davis and I just I I flowed. 1578 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.399 I got you Anthony Davis and Lebron while keeping Jimmy Butler. 1579 01:16:03.399 --> 01:16:04.119 You're welcome I. 1580 01:16:04.079 --> 01:16:06.399 Floated the entire day. My feet didn't touch the ground 1581 01:16:06.479 --> 01:16:08.640 after that, So I'm a little disappointed in light of 1582 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:13.720 where my hopes were. I would just say, whatever else 1583 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.359 happens with the Warriors, Porzingis is kind of the ideal 1584 01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:21.039 fit with Draymond Green. When he signs for Lesson comes back. 1585 01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.319 That's happen. What do you expect that to be now? 1586 01:16:26.239 --> 01:16:28.920 Fifteen to twenty? I would guess for Draymond, I think 1587 01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:31.119 if they get Lebron, I would imagine he's good. They'll 1588 01:16:31.159 --> 01:16:33.239 both be around the Lebron WI get the mid level. 1589 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:37.760 Draymond'll be closer with last twenty dollar more, just as 1590 01:16:37.760 --> 01:16:42.840 a flex facilitated this whole thing. Yeah, but Porzingis, I 1591 01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:47.000 think all the health and rely and availability stuff is 1592 01:16:47.079 --> 01:16:50.800 still just undeniable. So there's a chance this is twenty 1593 01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:52.720 million in dead money. Plus he got a player option, 1594 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:55.359 which I guess that's just what it was going to cost. 1595 01:16:55.479 --> 01:17:01.279 But three million so per per uh track? Spot? How 1596 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:02.560 how is it pronounced? Grants? 1597 01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:05.039 I do in my brain. In my brain, I say 1598 01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:08.279 SPO track, But I feel like you and others have said, 1599 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.279 like spa track, which spot track? Oh not an a? 1600 01:17:11.439 --> 01:17:13.680 So I don't like SPA track. I say spow track 1601 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:14.119 in my head. 1602 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:16.079 I talked to Keith Smith all the time and I 1603 01:17:16.119 --> 01:17:17.680 still just can never pin that. I ask him every 1604 01:17:17.720 --> 01:17:19.760 year when he's on the show. But SPA track has 1605 01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:22.520 it at three million partially guaranteed for show. It's like 1606 01:17:22.880 --> 01:17:25.039 it's like a mutual option. I think you'll call it. 1607 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.760 Some would say no, that I forgot about that. Uh yeah, 1608 01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:30.199 that makes me like it a little more. 1609 01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:34.319 Yes, his trade value, I think too functionally is an 1610 01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:36.319 expiring contract really to some teams. 1611 01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:38.359 Yeah, yeah, I think it's fine. I think I think 1612 01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:40.439 it's fine to very good, depending on how much he 1613 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.920 actually plays. The fit's great, Like he just makes sense. 1614 01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:46.359 Do you kind of feel as if there was the 1615 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:49.359 Anthony Davis sort of sheen for a minute here, But 1616 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:51.239 it does kind of feel as if we're headed towards 1617 01:17:51.279 --> 01:17:54.600 another offseason of Okay, the Warriors had their early summer 1618 01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:57.880 link to Big Name X. Nothing came of it. We're 1619 01:17:57.880 --> 01:17:59.680 just running it back and if the lebron thing doesn't 1620 01:17:59.680 --> 01:18:02.960 pan out, it's will be interesting when when we're healthy, 1621 01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:05.920 which will be hardly ever, especially when you consider Jimmy 1622 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.840 Butler won't be back till twenty twenty late. What there's 1623 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:10.760 no I guess my point is there's probably nothing that 1624 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.760 could happen this offseason that would get them thinking, well, 1625 01:18:13.760 --> 01:18:17.239 we need to make a real aggressive move. And I 1626 01:18:17.319 --> 01:18:19.119 think you could argue, is there anything that could happen 1627 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:21.880 in the regular season, because if they're good enough to 1628 01:18:21.880 --> 01:18:23.960 where you say, oh, let's go make an aggressive move, 1629 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:25.720 they might say, well, why look how good we are 1630 01:18:25.760 --> 01:18:26.039 right now? 1631 01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:28.560 Would yeah, I mean, not a lot's changed in the 1632 01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:31.199 last several years. You said it, like they're they get 1633 01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:33.600 linked to somebody and then it doesn't happen, and I 1634 01:18:33.640 --> 01:18:36.840 mean they got Butler. So the problem is, like this 1635 01:18:36.960 --> 01:18:40.520 all started when wait a minute, they're gonna get Kevin Durant, 1636 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:43.399 Like no, come on, like that's impossible. They just won 1637 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.800 the most games. Anyone's that like that can't And then 1638 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:49.560 it happened. And so now anytime you get these little 1639 01:18:49.840 --> 01:18:51.840 like oh it might be this guy, it might be 1640 01:18:51.880 --> 01:18:54.479 that guy, some small part of you is like, well, 1641 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.239 I mean the most impossible thing already happened ten years ago, 1642 01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.199 So you're primed to like think that the Lebron and 1643 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:03.840 ad thing is actually gonna come to pass. I was 1644 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:06.920 I was like, that's definitely happening. I was like, so sure, 1645 01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:11.119 but yeah, I don't in terms of like, I think 1646 01:19:11.159 --> 01:19:13.439 they're gonna try to make as big a move as 1647 01:19:13.439 --> 01:19:17.640 they can, like within reason, which has kind of been 1648 01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:21.199 part of part of why they haven't gotten the guy. Yeah, 1649 01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:24.039 they want to play meaningful basketball. That's all anybody wants. 1650 01:19:25.119 --> 01:19:27.079 If they don't get Lebron. At this point, I feel 1651 01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:28.399 like it's gonna be a little bit now that you've 1652 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.960 pointed out the meaningful part of all this to me, 1653 01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:33.159 and I'm just going off of what you said. I 1654 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:34.840 don't remember them or seeing it them, so. 1655 01:19:34.920 --> 01:19:36.439 Yeah, we talk about it all the time. 1656 01:19:37.439 --> 01:19:38.039 Yeah, happened. 1657 01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:41.039 I'll be deeply disappointed if they don't get Lebron, just 1658 01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:43.439 because then what We're just gonna run it back and 1659 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:46.279 wait for Jimmy Butler to be miraculously one hundred percent 1660 01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:47.319 coming off in ACL. 1661 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:49.239 I do feel like we should take this moment to 1662 01:19:49.319 --> 01:19:52.119 just shout out the New Orleans Pelicans resolve as you 1663 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.560 see Lebron's leaving the Lakers. Jaws traded, Lamellos traded, Trey 1664 01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:58.640 Is traded, Zion and Trey Murphy and Herb Jones are 1665 01:19:58.680 --> 01:20:03.560 just still there. New Orleans going strong. Uh, the final 1666 01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:06.079 actual topic unless we have any breaking news before, I 1667 01:20:06.079 --> 01:20:09.880 wanted to get what your biggest remaining question was the 1668 01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:13.279 latest on number seven option jail in Green. I actually 1669 01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:15.439 wanted to get your thoughts on that whole discussion. But 1670 01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:18.920 it does seem as if it's more likely, like, do 1671 01:20:18.960 --> 01:20:23.119 you envision this as something based on everything that has happened, 1672 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:25.920 that if they just got in a room, that it 1673 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:28.319 could be hashed out, or do you view this as 1674 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.920 more of a situation that's reached the point of no return? 1675 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:36.920 I think you asked me this the other day and 1676 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:38.560 I said, yeah, I think they do after or right, 1677 01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:40.439 maybe I asked you do they have to trade them? 1678 01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:42.359 But it was loaded because I was implying I think 1679 01:20:42.399 --> 01:20:45.119 they do have to trade him yet not sorry you 1680 01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.920 like Jazz, it's a number number seven option j Jalen Brown, 1681 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.720 not Jalen Green. Jalen Green is actually be a seven option, 1682 01:20:52.800 --> 01:21:00.600 number three option. I so my gut says, I do 1683 01:21:00.640 --> 01:21:03.279 think you just this feels a little past the point 1684 01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:08.920 of repair, and I think they do need to trade him. 1685 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.960 But we've also gotten to a spot where it's kind 1686 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:15.000 of like okay, well, but where like, what's the offer 1687 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:22.199 out there? Well, like Atlanta for four firsts and like 1688 01:21:22.359 --> 01:21:24.960 not a Kong Wu and Jalen Johnson and whatever, like 1689 01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:29.840 are the Celtics taking that? Like maybe I just I 1690 01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:35.199 don't see a great move out there so that I 1691 01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:39.640 have to take that into account. I still I think 1692 01:21:39.640 --> 01:21:42.000 it may be it's salvageable, but like it's gonna be 1693 01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:45.439 tough because this has been kind of a mess and 1694 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.880 and sort of building for a while. It feels like, 1695 01:21:48.159 --> 01:21:48.880 don't you agree? 1696 01:21:50.840 --> 01:21:54.119 I agree that it's a mess. I at this point 1697 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.279 think that they should keep him and try to figure 1698 01:21:56.279 --> 01:21:57.359 it out because I don't. 1699 01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:59.319 See But just do you think that's because the right 1700 01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:02.159 offer's not out there? Because they Oh no, I. 1701 01:22:02.079 --> 01:22:05.479 Think it really don't want to objectively, I thought them 1702 01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:08.039 getting involved in the Yannis sweepstakes was a bad idea. 1703 01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:10.079 I would have rather. It's not that I don't think 1704 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:12.840 Jannis is the better player. There's no argument for Jalen 1705 01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.960 Brown over Yannis. My argument was, would you rather have 1706 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:20.600 Jalen Brown and picks and flexibility to make other moves 1707 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:24.239 moving forward or Yannis who you have to extend I 1708 01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:26.479 would rather like that's the path I'd rather choose. And 1709 01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:28.560 now you've entered a point where even the teams that 1710 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:31.319 people could say, well, now Portland's off the board because 1711 01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:34.840 they went and got jaw Intlanta has been mentioned, who 1712 01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:38.439 were the players like, unless Boston was planning on taking 1713 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:41.880 some type of step back and reorienting long term around 1714 01:22:42.000 --> 01:22:45.279 Jason Tatum. I want to see them play meaningful basketball 1715 01:22:45.680 --> 01:22:47.640 next year. And it's not to say that they couldn't 1716 01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.439 with some of those packages, but it would have felt 1717 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:52.560 whether it was Portland, whether it's Atlanta, it would have 1718 01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:55.560 felt like a hodgepodge, And at least with the Yannis stuff, 1719 01:22:55.560 --> 01:22:57.640 it was, well, they're trying to get the better player. 1720 01:22:57.680 --> 01:22:59.920 Whether I supported it or not, I understood the logic. 1721 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.920 I might even understand because he's not the better player, 1722 01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:06.680 he's just different. But you could get me on board 1723 01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:09.119 with Evan Mobley and picks, or if it's Evan Mobley 1724 01:23:09.199 --> 01:23:11.840 plus someone plus picks, like, yeah, I could probably get 1725 01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.439 on board with that. It doesn't seem like that's out there, 1726 01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:16.000 but that's not the reason why I think you try 1727 01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:19.600 and work this this out unless he has been absolutely 1728 01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:22.239 disastrous behind the scenes on it. I hate the way 1729 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:25.239 he's been talked about in the media. I don't think 1730 01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:27.680 Bobby Marx I've spoken with him, is super nice. Like, 1731 01:23:27.720 --> 01:23:29.840 I just don't think that was a quote he should 1732 01:23:29.840 --> 01:23:31.479 have shared and like if that person want to put 1733 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:34.079 their name on it, like it's just these throwaway things. 1734 01:23:34.119 --> 01:23:36.119 We know how they take on a life of their own. 1735 01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:40.000 And now it started this whole analytics debate again. Like 1736 01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:42.039 Jalen Brown, Yes, the on off stuff is the on 1737 01:23:42.039 --> 01:23:44.760 off stuff. You know what it says to me. Boston 1738 01:23:44.800 --> 01:23:47.359 had a hell of a bench and Jalen Brown's role 1739 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:50.159 and life was super hard last year going up against 1740 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:53.800 the level of competition. He was so I hate the 1741 01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.960 way that this is because it's me and you had 1742 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:58.920 this exact discussion where it's as soon as a player 1743 01:23:59.000 --> 01:24:02.159 signs either that's second or in most cases third contract. 1744 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:04.840 Some players like Tyler Hero the moment he size is 1745 01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.239 rookie extension. You're just you're kind of at laws so 1746 01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:11.760 much less. Yeah, Jalen Brown, it was that third contract. 1747 01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:14.399 It was like, no, look at this number. It's awful, 1748 01:24:14.439 --> 01:24:16.279 and do I think it's the best contract in the league. Know, 1749 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:19.720 But this idea that people think Boston stupid because they 1750 01:24:19.720 --> 01:24:23.760 want multiple first round picks for Jalen Brown. Yeah, it's 1751 01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:26.359 just like Jalen Brown was. You could make these He 1752 01:24:26.399 --> 01:24:28.680 was certainly one of the fifteen best players in basketball 1753 01:24:28.720 --> 01:24:30.479 last year. To me, you could have made the case 1754 01:24:30.479 --> 01:24:32.239 that he was one of the ten. So I find 1755 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.880 that and maybe that's why I'm like tilting so far 1756 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:38.680 towards just keep him and work it out. My fear 1757 01:24:38.760 --> 01:24:41.359 is just we haven't seen not that he needs to 1758 01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:44.199 do it, but you see Jason Jalen Brown out there 1759 01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:46.800 on Twitch and on Twitter and saying whatever he's saying. 1760 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:49.039 It would probably go a long way if just like 1761 01:24:49.119 --> 01:24:51.199 Jason Tatum come out and said something. I'm not trying 1762 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:54.960 to displace the responsibility onto him, but something and maybe 1763 01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:56.880 I'll reverse jinx it like I did with the Knicks. 1764 01:24:57.279 --> 01:25:01.119 Something feels rotten here now and that, well, don't. 1765 01:25:01.800 --> 01:25:05.000 I think I was gonna ask you, is is tatums 1766 01:25:05.000 --> 01:25:08.439 silence pretty loud then? Because he could have that? 1767 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:09.920 I what do you think? 1768 01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:12.359 Yeah, I didn't think about it at all till you 1769 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:14.479 just brought it up. It is like, oh, yeah, he 1770 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.039 actually hasn't said anything. I mean, he's not obligated to 1771 01:25:19.399 --> 01:25:22.600 and and you don't get to just conclude that, Oh, well, 1772 01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:26.039 that means Jason Tatum not a fan, you know, I don't. 1773 01:25:26.039 --> 01:25:29.199 I don't think that's that's that's a fair thing to assume. 1774 01:25:30.560 --> 01:25:31.960 But I was just gonna. I thought i'd ask you 1775 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:33.520 that because I thought I might make you try to 1776 01:25:33.560 --> 01:25:35.680 assume something unfairly, But you didn't take de bait. 1777 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:41.119 I just I hate like it falls under the umbrella 1778 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.119 of when people think they could read NBA players his 1779 01:25:44.199 --> 01:25:47.600 lips in real time. I just can't like that's. I 1780 01:25:47.720 --> 01:25:49.800 like connecting the dots and reading between the lines, but 1781 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:52.199 like that goes a bridge too far for me. These 1782 01:25:52.199 --> 01:25:55.199 two won a title together, and then maybe maybe my 1783 01:25:55.279 --> 01:25:57.279 analysis is off in the sense that could this beat 1784 01:25:57.359 --> 01:26:00.640 Jaalen Brown driven he wants to be the number one option, 1785 01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:03.800 or he's just not happy in Boston he took or 1786 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.680 maybe he found out that they were talking about Yannis 1787 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:08.520 and like that was the last draw for him, in 1788 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:11.399 which like, again, I would not have made that deal, 1789 01:26:11.640 --> 01:26:13.880 as I'd love to know what their final offer was, 1790 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:15.840 but I would not made that deal as Boston. But 1791 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:19.399 I think you can say a rap. Reasonable people can 1792 01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:21.720 say it was Joanness, Like, yeah, you're gonna be available 1793 01:26:21.760 --> 01:26:26.039 if Prime Kevin Durant or Prime Yannis hits the chopping block, 1794 01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.880 So I think they should keep him. That is my stance. 1795 01:26:29.920 --> 01:26:32.479 I just don't know if we've reached the point where 1796 01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:33.920 they can't well. 1797 01:26:33.760 --> 01:26:36.800 Yeah, right, that I agree. I I don't know that either. 1798 01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:38.640 I do think to circle back to what you kind 1799 01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:42.359 of originally brought up, like you would like to think 1800 01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.520 that Brown and Brad Stevens and whoever else needs to 1801 01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:50.479 be involved could could say to each other, look like, 1802 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:54.399 it's just best for all of us if we stick 1803 01:26:54.479 --> 01:26:57.159 together like for now. And you probably wouldn't want to 1804 01:26:57.159 --> 01:26:59.319 emphasize the for now part of it because you're just 1805 01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:02.920 leaving that door open. But that's just a fact at 1806 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:05.520 the moment, because the offer's not out there. Because the 1807 01:27:05.520 --> 01:27:07.560 Celtics might just be the best team in the East 1808 01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:10.880 next year if they just hang hang together with what 1809 01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:15.239 they have and make marginal changes. And like I think 1810 01:27:15.279 --> 01:27:18.039 anybody looking at it rationally would have to agree with that. 1811 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:23.399 The question is have we moved past being rational and 1812 01:27:23.720 --> 01:27:25.880 which maybe they and maybe Brown is just fed up, 1813 01:27:25.880 --> 01:27:27.720 and maybe the Celtics are fed up, and that's why 1814 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:29.840 this has to end. In a trade. But you'd like 1815 01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.760 to think that they could get together and just kind 1816 01:27:31.760 --> 01:27:33.960 of see this situation for what it is. 1817 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:38.039 And maybe I'm assuming there is dialogue happening, like, let's not. 1818 01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.239 This doesn't need to happen through the media, No, everything does. 1819 01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:43.159 I would be curious do you think it could have 1820 01:27:43.239 --> 01:27:45.000 anything to do We mentioned this in the look at 1821 01:27:45.079 --> 01:27:46.960 he's eligible for a two year, one hundred and forty 1822 01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:50.680 one point nine million dollar extension this late July. I 1823 01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:53.560 think it's July twenty sixth. Is that Could that have 1824 01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:55.119 anything to do with this? I just when I see 1825 01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:58.119 two year extensions, I tend to think, no, Yeah, like 1826 01:27:58.199 --> 01:27:59.880 would you like to three of three. 1827 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:02.560 Of you hold your horses, buddy? Like we're just like 1828 01:28:03.079 --> 01:28:05.039 we don't want to be like Devin Booker got that 1829 01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:08.000 and the sons have gotten flamed by everybody for well 1830 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:08.520 and look. 1831 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:10.000 Dame got it too, and look what happened with him. 1832 01:28:10.000 --> 01:28:12.920 You got traded? You want that? Yes? 1833 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:14.359 I do, as a matter of fact. 1834 01:28:14.439 --> 01:28:17.920 So quick, quick fire. We had a question in the chat. 1835 01:28:17.960 --> 01:28:20.279 I can't find it one grant, So let's get to 1836 01:28:20.319 --> 01:28:22.760 our biggest questions that we still have. They weren't all 1837 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.840 answered in the first day of free agency. Isn't that weird? 1838 01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:27.840 I find that quite frankly offensive and disappointed. Do you 1839 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:29.359 think we get any other move tonight? 1840 01:28:31.319 --> 01:28:33.479 If we do, I'm not gonna know about him. Uh So, 1841 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:34.880 I'm gonna say I'll call. 1842 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.359 You when that Jaylen Brown trade comes through at three 1843 01:28:38.399 --> 01:28:40.199 o'clock in the morning Eastern time. 1844 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:44.439 Emergency. Uh Man. Biggest question, so, are we gonna get 1845 01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:46.560 another big move? Who would that be? I guess that 1846 01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:48.880 would be like a sign and trade for Kessler or 1847 01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:55.079 Duran or the Lebron signing or Anthony Davis trade. Seemed 1848 01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:58.239 like that's not happening. Nothing happened with trade, Like no 1849 01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:01.960 Trey Murphy buzz at all. I don't even know what 1850 01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.479 who Who's like on deck? Maybe that's the better question, Like, 1851 01:29:05.560 --> 01:29:08.279 what's the if there's another have we are the big 1852 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:08.880 moves done? 1853 01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:09.319 Is that? 1854 01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:09.880 Is that? Maybe? 1855 01:29:09.960 --> 01:29:14.680 Well? I think my so, My actual biggest question is 1856 01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:17.439 what the fuck are the Pistons doing. I'm just looking 1857 01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:20.359 at their offseason right now, thinking this. It's not that 1858 01:29:20.439 --> 01:29:22.720 this can't be it. I'm looking at what they've done. 1859 01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:25.920 It's like there needs to be something that's just somewhat 1860 01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:28.800 massive lined up but my the other question would be 1861 01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:33.199 does Walker Kessler and or jalender And actually sign an 1862 01:29:33.199 --> 01:29:35.399 offer sheet, because that's when things get a little real 1863 01:29:35.800 --> 01:29:38.000 for the teams. I would imagine both Utah and and 1864 01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:41.359 Detroit end up matching set off her sheets, but I'd 1865 01:29:41.359 --> 01:29:43.039 be curious to know what those look like. Are they 1866 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:44.079 just the four year max? 1867 01:29:44.159 --> 01:29:44.199 Is? 1868 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:46.800 What's the team? I mean we we didn't talk about 1869 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.800 this with Jolen Derham. By the way, the kings of 1870 01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:53.319 the luxury tax kings are like having meetings with like 1871 01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.960 and there was the rumor that domas a bonus would 1872 01:29:56.960 --> 01:29:58.680 be involved in a sign in trade. I just want 1873 01:29:58.720 --> 01:30:01.760 people to know that the way year compensation worked there 1874 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.720 needs to be like eighty teams probably roped into such 1875 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:06.920 a deal because Jalendern wouldn't count as his new salary 1876 01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:10.960 going out. Those are the two because I can't I 1877 01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:15.079 don't think that they play such like functionally different positions 1878 01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:17.319 than Lebron. I can't imagine he's holding up anything with 1879 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.000 the center market and the teams that these guys are 1880 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:22.239 one of them's the Lakers, so they're not waiting on 1881 01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:25.399 Lebron anymore. I can't bring myself to ask the Lebron question, 1882 01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:27.279 because I feel like he might just leave us waiting 1883 01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:28.520 for a while. 1884 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:31.399 I mean, I think one thing to look at is 1885 01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:35.560 we saw really surprised he got this much. But Tim 1886 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:38.479 Hardaway Junior was you know, one of the Okay, who 1887 01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:40.840 are the he going to attract to fill out this roster? 1888 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:44.640 Hardaway Junior got like six million, which I was stunned by. 1889 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:47.760 I thought we were just dealing with minimums here and. 1890 01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:50.199 Six and a half is not the mini mL E 1891 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:51.840 that's the more. 1892 01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:52.520 Yeah. 1893 01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:56.520 No, it has to be the non tax because the 1894 01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:59.079 bi annuals smaller than the mini mL. 1895 01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:05.239 Oh right, yeah, So what Norm palin on You'd assume 1896 01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:07.800 you would assume that the heat looked at it and said, like, 1897 01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:12.239 is Tim Hardaway Junior eighty percent as good as Norm Powell? 1898 01:31:12.319 --> 01:31:15.039 Like answer, maybe yes if he if he does what 1899 01:31:15.039 --> 01:31:15.960 he did last year. 1900 01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:17.239 He can't do you want him dribbling? 1901 01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:20.560 No? No, no, I'm just I'm just saying, like, well, we 1902 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:22.840 knew Powell was gone, even though the sweetheart deal that 1903 01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:26.680 Andrew Wiggins signed just seemed to open up some flexibility, 1904 01:31:26.880 --> 01:31:29.600 but not really because that included him getting the full 1905 01:31:29.640 --> 01:31:30.720 thirty of his player option. 1906 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.760 Here we go. Thank you, Eric, I'm not gonna remember. 1907 01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:35.840 I can guarantee you. I'm gonna. 1908 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:40.479 I'm gonna rage against this. I'm gonna we should I'm 1909 01:31:40.479 --> 01:31:42.399 gonna try to convince Keith next time we talked that 1910 01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:44.920 it should be spow track, because that's how my brain. 1911 01:31:45.439 --> 01:31:47.399 But for now, I'm going to get spot track tattooed 1912 01:31:47.439 --> 01:31:52.159 on my palm or the end or something. Uh Nurkic 1913 01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.920 thoughts Grant two years and twenty two million dollars. 1914 01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:58.960 A little surprised it was that much, but he did 1915 01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:03.000 have many triple doubles in extremely meaningful basketball games last year. 1916 01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:05.000 I also haven't seen the report, and there's no way 1917 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:06.439 the second year is fully given. There might be a 1918 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:08.560 mutual option on the second year. 1919 01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:13.319 That's my real question is are we gonna normalize the 1920 01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:16.319 fallacy that is the mutual option in our in our 1921 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:17.399 contract discourse. 1922 01:32:17.720 --> 01:32:21.439 Oh, this feels wrong, wrong, He can no, he could dribble. 1923 01:32:21.439 --> 01:32:24.560 He can dribble k good pastor facility. 1924 01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:26.640 But as sneaky as Josh Green. 1925 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:31.000 Nobody's as well. Yeah, I wouldn't describe Josh Green's on 1926 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:35.760 the move passing as sneaky so much as uh, let's 1927 01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:38.560 see what's the right way to describe it? Incisive? 1928 01:32:39.039 --> 01:32:39.720 Uh? 1929 01:32:39.760 --> 01:32:45.600 And uh, let's go with that. It's just like just 1930 01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:48.119 out there dison it up on the move. Nobody does it, 1931 01:32:48.199 --> 01:32:49.039 Like Josh Green. 1932 01:32:50.079 --> 01:32:53.239 Did we mention this yet? In the the Andrew Wiggins contract? 1933 01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:54.640 You and I talked off air? Did I mention it 1934 01:32:54.680 --> 01:32:55.000 on air? 1935 01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:56.880 I don't think I just alluded to it, but we 1936 01:32:56.920 --> 01:32:57.720 should probably the. 1937 01:32:57.880 --> 01:33:02.600 Best Like, is that the most team friendly deal that's been. 1938 01:33:02.439 --> 01:33:05.600 Signed effectively two new years on top of his thirty 1939 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:09.079 million dollar player option at seventeen per for Andrew Wiggins. Like, 1940 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.840 even if you think he's aging, that dude is better 1941 01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:15.119 than a mid level player, which is basically what seventeen 1942 01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:18.119 a year is gonna be over over what twenty seven, 1943 01:33:18.199 --> 01:33:19.760 twenty eight and twenty eight twenty nine? 1944 01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:23.279 Right that that's so far the move where I look 1945 01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:25.840 at it and I want it to be investigated. It 1946 01:33:25.840 --> 01:33:29.239 feels like player right right? 1947 01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:32.479 Yeah? That was that one was I'm trying to think 1948 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:38.359 what else? Just like didn't pass the initial smell test? 1949 01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:41.239 What do you think that's ot? I mean honestly about 1950 01:33:41.279 --> 01:33:42.640 the two for twenty two was close? 1951 01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:45.800 What if you thought about the non star market in general? 1952 01:33:45.880 --> 01:33:48.399 Because so wigans signing for what he did. I thought 1953 01:33:48.439 --> 01:33:50.920 Gillspie might have gotten a little bit more than four 1954 01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:54.079 for forty eight. Jordan Goodwin, Now this is where my 1955 01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:56.359 homerism would come out. When I saw him get three 1956 01:33:56.399 --> 01:33:58.600 for nineteen, I was like, Wow, so the Knicks are 1957 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.479 just gonna get deuce for three twenty four, right, because 1958 01:34:01.479 --> 01:34:04.720 they're similar players, Jordan go Wentz a little bigger out right. 1959 01:34:04.760 --> 01:34:07.000 But I've I've just been curious because we have some 1960 01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:09.800 of them. But like even Canard, I guess it's just 1961 01:34:09.880 --> 01:34:12.720 all right, so we're we're not really work. I mean, JOCKH. Landel, 1962 01:34:12.920 --> 01:34:14.560 it seems to me like if you're gonna get as 1963 01:34:14.600 --> 01:34:17.960 a role player like anywhere near the non tax MLLE, 1964 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:19.800 it's because you signed for one season. 1965 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:22.560 Well, but you just I was just looking for the 1966 01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:25.960 for the contract that gave me the biggest double take. 1967 01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:29.279 Like Landale's up there, fourteen I know it's one year. 1968 01:34:29.359 --> 01:34:31.439 There's no bad one year deals, but fourteen million was like, 1969 01:34:31.479 --> 01:34:34.119 to me, shockingly high? Did you not get that way 1970 01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:34.439 to it? 1971 01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:37.199 I reacted that way too, because they didn't have his 1972 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:40.760 bird rights and so you just burned your non tax MLLE. 1973 01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:45.159 On John Addams a human trade exception. 1974 01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:48.479 Yes, it's matching salary where they're gonna he's just there 1975 01:34:48.520 --> 01:34:50.800 to be moved. I mean, that's the only to me 1976 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:54.239 like I get unless they really think he's he's there. Okay, 1977 01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:56.960 you're you're giving you eighteen minutes a game as the 1978 01:34:57.000 --> 01:34:59.439 primary backup center and we believe in you like that 1979 01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:01.439 doesn't in which case, fourteen million on a one year 1980 01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:04.239 deal is fine. I just I don't think the Hawks 1981 01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.119 view him that way. 1982 01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:08.960 Regulator eighty six eighty, Is Dean Wade's deal actually a 1983 01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:09.439 good deal? 1984 01:35:11.000 --> 01:35:12.680 I don't think we landed on an answer there. 1985 01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:16.760 I don't. I I'm go ahead. 1986 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:18.760 Sorry, I was gonna say I was gonna say I 1987 01:35:18.840 --> 01:35:20.720 like it better than the Hurder deal, just because I 1988 01:35:20.720 --> 01:35:26.720 can imagine Dean Wade mattering like in big games, and 1989 01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:28.800 Herder just hasn't proved that he can do that. 1990 01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:31.119 But I don't. I don't. I don't know. 1991 01:35:31.159 --> 01:35:33.039 It's fine, it's fine. I don't have a strong take 1992 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.079 on it, so I guess I can't. I can't say 1993 01:35:35.079 --> 01:35:36.600 it's way too high or too low. 1994 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.399 We do have clarification on the mutual options that I 1995 01:35:39.399 --> 01:35:41.920 think maybe only you and I care about this much. 1996 01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:45.199 John Hodger says, Okay, just got to the bottom of this. 1997 01:35:45.600 --> 01:35:49.079 Kean Ellis's deal is a true mutual option for a 1998 01:35:49.159 --> 01:35:52.439 year two. He's getting two years and eighteen million, unless 1999 01:35:52.479 --> 01:35:56.279 both sides simultaneously opt out of it next June, which 2000 01:35:56.279 --> 01:35:58.880 presumably would only happen if they had already agreed on 2001 01:35:58.920 --> 01:36:01.760 his next contract. If he sucks in the next and 2002 01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.920 the Nets one out after first year, Ellis can enforce 2003 01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:08.239 the year two guarantee. If he massively outplays the deal 2004 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:11.000 in the first year and wants to hit free agency, 2005 01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:13.800 the Nets can enforce the second year of the deal, 2006 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:17.159 so likely ends up being straight two for eighteen. But 2007 01:36:17.199 --> 01:36:23.079 there's some wiggle room unusual creative structure. So I don't, well, 2008 01:36:23.159 --> 01:36:24.760 I didn't read this before I read it on the air, 2009 01:36:24.840 --> 01:36:26.760 and this to me comes across as so is he 2010 01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:29.479 partially guaranteed on the play? Like there? Is it a 2011 01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.199 team option with a partial guarantee? I don't. I don't understand, 2012 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:33.960 But how is it being enforced? 2013 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:36.800 The second thing is that just sounded like a team option, 2014 01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:39.319 uh the way you read it, So it's like, oh, 2015 01:36:39.439 --> 01:36:41.600 I mean just like a player option where it's like if. 2016 01:36:41.479 --> 01:36:44.319 He I I'm. 2017 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:46.079 Gonna need I need to actually read it, okay, and 2018 01:36:46.119 --> 01:36:47.880 I'm gonna look at it. This is the true mutual 2019 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:49.600 option for year two. He's getting two years and eighteen 2020 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:52.399 Unless both sides on the opt out, Shrimsley would only 2021 01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:56.039 happen already agreed on his next contract. Okay, that's not helpful. 2022 01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:58.279 If he sucks and the Nets one out, Ellis can 2023 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:02.199 enforce the year two guarantee. That's that's a player option. 2024 01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:04.399 Like he sucks, the Nets don't want to pay him, 2025 01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:07.359 but Ellis is in charge and can just say no, no, no, 2026 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:09.720 you're paying me for that second year. If he outplays 2027 01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:12.640 it and wants to hit free agents, the Nets can enforce. 2028 01:37:13.359 --> 01:37:14.760 So that sounds like a team option. 2029 01:37:15.439 --> 01:37:18.720 I don't even says. Someone asked about it via what 2030 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.159 mechanism is this being done? And John Hodger said player 2031 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:23.520 option and a team option. 2032 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.000 I just thought that was not allowed in the CBA. 2033 01:37:26.199 --> 01:37:29.640 I just I don't Everything that's being described here sounds 2034 01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:32.680 like a mutual option, but I thought you couldn't do that. 2035 01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:35.520 So I'm gonna need to see the text of the 2036 01:37:35.560 --> 01:37:39.279 actual uh mechanism at work here. 2037 01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.319 I am skully g underscore Okay, could you all see 2038 01:37:42.399 --> 01:37:46.800 Jolen Brown being traded for Jabal Murray? Who says no 2039 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:49.920 to that? Probably, I assume both teams. 2040 01:37:50.439 --> 01:37:52.880 Yeah, kind of right, Like I think I don't think 2041 01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:56.399 you could argue that Brown does more for Denver than 2042 01:37:56.479 --> 01:38:00.319 Murray does, and probably vice versa. I guess my gut 2043 01:38:00.359 --> 01:38:03.640 is that the Nuggets would say no first, but I 2044 01:38:03.640 --> 01:38:04.880 think both ultimately say no. 2045 01:38:05.319 --> 01:38:08.960 I actually feel stronger that Boston would want more than 2046 01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:11.319 just a jamalmur Like, if there was a team that's 2047 01:38:11.359 --> 01:38:13.239 asking for more stuff as part of this deal, it's 2048 01:38:13.279 --> 01:38:14.119 going to be Boston. 2049 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:17.279 Oh, I kind of think the well, I guess Brown's 2050 01:38:17.279 --> 01:38:21.600 been more durable and he's actually well, yeah, I don't know. 2051 01:38:22.000 --> 01:38:24.399 Both say no. That's where I land on that one. 2052 01:38:25.319 --> 01:38:27.279 Anything else from you, is you have any other questions 2053 01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:29.399 or things that you're just monitoring. I'm very curious to 2054 01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:33.079 see lebron watches certainly holding up James Harden at the 2055 01:38:33.159 --> 01:38:35.520 very least and Draymond. So those are two free agencies 2056 01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:37.319 that we're not gonna see resolved. That might even be 2057 01:38:37.359 --> 01:38:38.920 holding Danthony Melton, your guy. 2058 01:38:39.000 --> 01:38:41.880 Yeah, that's rough. I'd say, yeah, I would just say, like, 2059 01:38:42.000 --> 01:38:45.079 maybe does Atlanta have a bigger thing in the works here. 2060 01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:48.640 Does Detroit have something that you mentioned? Do they have 2061 01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.439 something bigger in the works? Is Denver gonna do anything 2062 01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:55.600 that would be maybe salary? Yeah, besides cuts, at what 2063 01:38:55.640 --> 01:38:58.159 form will the salary cutting take? Maybe is the better question. 2064 01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.800 Cam Johnson's gone right, because they don't have the. 2065 01:39:00.960 --> 01:39:04.359 I mean we've we've talked about it. I guess probably. 2066 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:07.199 By the way, we haven't heard a whisper tonight of 2067 01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:10.159 like Tari Easan or Peyton Watson, who were just like 2068 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:15.000 right anywhere. Like, I'm surprised that the teams with cap 2069 01:39:15.039 --> 01:39:18.079 Space seem to be more focused on Kessler and Derna was. 2070 01:39:18.119 --> 01:39:20.880 Those two are just so desperate to turn up markets. 2071 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.119 They're trying. But like they're meeting with the Kings. We 2072 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.439 know it's doven bad if you're meeting with the Kings, right, Well, so. 2073 01:39:26.319 --> 01:39:28.039 The one last thing I know, we could just keep 2074 01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:30.479 picking little things out. The thunder have to cut a 2075 01:39:30.520 --> 01:39:32.920 little more money, right, because they did. They did opt 2076 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:38.479 in dort That's interesting, right, they moved Joe and it 2077 01:39:38.520 --> 01:39:41.479 is Kenris Williams. They declined, Right, I'm just going off 2078 01:39:41.479 --> 01:39:42.199 the top of my head here. 2079 01:39:42.640 --> 01:39:45.680 Yeah, they're within eight million of ducking the second apron, 2080 01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:50.680 and so how are they gonna do that? Isn't it? Well? 2081 01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:54.199 I mean, do they start looking at I've so thunder 2082 01:39:54.239 --> 01:39:58.079 fans were killing Nate Duncan for suggesting this. I think 2083 01:39:58.119 --> 01:40:00.840 it was that crazy. I understand Lou Dort is an 2084 01:40:00.840 --> 01:40:03.479 intensely flawed player and what happened in the playoffs this 2085 01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:06.359 past year, But if you wanted to, you just drafted 2086 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.000 a Demarra. If you want to do it through like 2087 01:40:09.039 --> 01:40:14.119 moving toepitch and Thomas Sorber, I'm not gonna blink. 2088 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:17.039 I heard him make that case, and I was annoyed 2089 01:40:17.039 --> 01:40:19.680 that we didn't come up with it because it's like, yeah, 2090 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:21.840 of course, Like why wouldn't you just move the the 2091 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:24.880 two young guys that have not played for you basically yet? 2092 01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:27.680 I think I think that that's what you're talking about, right. 2093 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.800 That was that was the move that like, no, this 2094 01:40:29.800 --> 01:40:31.880 will be how they do it, because Dort actually still 2095 01:40:31.880 --> 01:40:34.960 has value. He's like been a starter on a championship team. 2096 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:38.439 Right, He's also like he's an institution to the organization 2097 01:40:38.439 --> 01:40:39.079 at least like his. 2098 01:40:39.039 --> 01:40:43.600 Fans, which I did not factor into most of my analysis, Like, oh, 2099 01:40:43.640 --> 01:40:46.159 that actually might just decide it right there. Yeah, I mean. 2100 01:40:47.840 --> 01:40:52.239 Done. He's more like he's insurance if you can't pay 2101 01:40:52.920 --> 01:40:55.399 Casey and Wallace if Alex Caruso all of a sudden 2102 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.800 falls off a cliff or gets injured. I'm actually just 2103 01:40:59.279 --> 01:41:01.399 maybe it's what we're doing with Duran, But it's just 2104 01:41:01.439 --> 01:41:03.920 weird to see the own, like the team's fan base 2105 01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:06.199 do it, and they've watched lou Dort for longer than 2106 01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:08.840 we have. But maybe it's because that's the last taste 2107 01:41:09.399 --> 01:41:11.239 in their mouth of lou Dort and we've seen it before. 2108 01:41:11.319 --> 01:41:13.600 He just has these wild there and they're not even 2109 01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:15.720 in the moment wild swings. It feels like he has 2110 01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:18.760 entire like seasons that are like from two like good 2111 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:20.560 shooting seasons, and then he falls off a cliff and 2112 01:41:20.640 --> 01:41:24.640 is making terrible decisions. So I think, wow, I'm skull. 2113 01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:26.680 He says, I would like to see Chet get traded. 2114 01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:30.399 Is it because you wants? Yeah? 2115 01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:32.439 Right at work there. 2116 01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:36.119 So I think that's if I had to guess, I 2117 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:39.119 think they because Topich alone won't do it right. I'll 2118 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.439 double check. Because he was a lottery picks. We might 2119 01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:46.520 be making some money taking a while of load here, 2120 01:41:46.680 --> 01:41:49.479 I would prefer as Okay, see even though it's kind 2121 01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:51.119 of only buying you, because like, what is the pathway 2122 01:41:51.119 --> 01:41:54.359 to topic your sword we're playing at this point. 2123 01:41:54.159 --> 01:41:57.199 Topitch is set to make a five point five point 2124 01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:01.279 four and yeah, has to be both, which could you? 2125 01:42:01.399 --> 01:42:03.960 I guess unless you view Jay Will as expendable with 2126 01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:08.880 Mara and Hartenstein and check back, I would still rather moved, yes, 2127 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:11.439 and Sorber's at four point eight. I'd still rather move 2128 01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:14.000 the two young guys, probably because you're right, like the 2129 01:42:14.000 --> 01:42:16.920 path to playing time is what the injury I guess, 2130 01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:20.960 but okay, I mean that that's that's I don't think 2131 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.319 the Thunder are super comfortable with having to rely on 2132 01:42:23.359 --> 01:42:24.960 either of those guys in the event of injury. 2133 01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:27.920 So are they? Are they even the third guy at 2134 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:30.079 any of their positions in the event of an injury 2135 01:42:30.199 --> 01:42:32.439 when you already know the answers? No for Sober, because 2136 01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:37.199 it's you have Hartenstein, Chet Mara, and jay Will and 2137 01:42:37.199 --> 01:42:39.199 then we've seen them play j Dubbits Center two, so 2138 01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:40.960 you're you might be sixth in that. 2139 01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:43.319 And then if if it's like I guess, you'd call 2140 01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:45.800 Topitch a lead guard, I get like, so Shay and 2141 01:42:45.840 --> 01:42:48.479 Mitchell and then you just I would rather have j 2142 01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:51.720 Dubb and then Jared McCain, just as you're sort of like, 2143 01:42:51.760 --> 01:42:54.560 well we can help. Yeah, No, I think I think 2144 01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:55.960 that's probably the way to do it. 2145 01:42:57.720 --> 01:43:00.720 I don't know if I have Oh yeah, and they 2146 01:43:00.760 --> 01:43:03.640 have stirts now too, which is just I will say, 2147 01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:05.800 Samson Folk and I can't remember who he was talking with, 2148 01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:07.520 got me hot. They were doing like a Bennett Startz 2149 01:43:07.520 --> 01:43:09.640 breakdown before the draft, and this is the problem. This 2150 01:43:09.680 --> 01:43:11.520 is why I'm dangerous when it comes to the draft. 2151 01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:13.840 So I went back and watching I got this is like, 2152 01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:16.520 this is worse than Brooks Barnheiser. Remember how high on 2153 01:43:16.600 --> 01:43:17.520 him I was last season? 2154 01:43:17.520 --> 01:43:20.359 Oh yeah, you got me with Brooks Barnheiser. I bought 2155 01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:21.840 in just on your review alone. 2156 01:43:22.199 --> 01:43:26.399 You're welcome or apologies. I don't think. I think that's 2157 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:30.920 like there's nothing. I expected tonight to yield more substance. 2158 01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:33.199 And we talked a lot about theoretical stuff, and I 2159 01:43:33.199 --> 01:43:37.319 thought there was gonna be more like Thankfully those trades happened. 2160 01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:40.039 Otherwise we just would have talked about, well, like who 2161 01:43:40.039 --> 01:43:42.000 do you put around Lebron and Steph in Golden state 2162 01:43:42.079 --> 01:43:43.359 for an hour and a half is what we would 2163 01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:43.920 have needed to do. 2164 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:46.199 I could never imagine myself being able to do that, 2165 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:47.279 Thank god. 2166 01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:49.239 Yeah, it's such a short window. Yeah, I get it, 2167 01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:49.880 I get it. 2168 01:43:51.880 --> 01:43:54.119 Yeah, that's gonna do it, I think. Thanks everybody in 2169 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:59.000 the comments robust comment section tonight much appreciated. Thanks to 2170 01:43:59.039 --> 01:44:01.479 all the listeners and and viewers. As always, the all 2171 01:44:01.520 --> 01:44:06.159 the subscribers especially. The best way to support this podcast 2172 01:44:06.319 --> 01:44:08.760 is to become a Patreon member. Do that at patreon 2173 01:44:08.760 --> 01:44:10.319 dot com slash Hardwood, Knox, NBA. 2174 01:44:11.000 --> 01:44:11.279 Uh. 2175 01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:13.399 You will get all of our episodes ad free. I 2176 01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:18.239 hate ads, you hate ads. Let's just let's unite against them. 2177 01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:21.199 So sign sign up at the at Patreon dot com 2178 01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:23.960 slash Hardwoo, Knocks, NBA. 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